Transcripts_Notes/01-Transcripts/patrick_0914.txt

Tom asks if there is a time in the day that is good for people to have a separate conversation, says 3 pm Eastern Time.
The people in the skype group over the past few days have been doing a good job going over some of the documents.
Caller says we are just trying to get them out (i.e. get the packages sent out).
We are going over it in detail in the skype group. Caller asks if there is a new transfer by deed (that he may have missed)?
Tom says the file from 08/21 is the one that he used. Caller says that you probably had to change a lot of that.
Tom says not really. Caller says he went from 7 accounts to 1. Tom says he thinks it still makes sense that there are key accounts that we are doing
but there are also a whole lot of subsidiary accounts where we are basically saying "I have these, you guys find them".
But caller is referring to actual deed, and asks if these accounts are not supposed to be referred to separately?
The way Tom reads the 08/21 deed is that it does have its own registered mailing but includes, it lists the key documents
and we are to attach those certificates with the SF forms. My question would be can we attach copies of the certificates rather than the originals,
because who knows how many times we have to send them in before they take it... if we send in our original, it will be a lot more work;
we just stated that we are sending in copies and the oriignals will be turned over when they come to us with the proper authority.
Caller is still confused: the one with everything listed on it at the bottom, the attachments... that is the cover letter?
Caller says he thought we were supposed to do these one at a time; Tom says let's ask tonight.
Caller says it is a lot easier to do it as per the 08/21 example. Tom says the 08/21 deed only combines all the forms in one package,
one master transfer by deed rather than one for each one, so I would imagine that if we later find things we later want to transfer,
then we can do that with an individual transfer by deed. Caller asks if he sent his to Treasurer or Secretary of the Treasury?
Tom says I think still we are really still transferring credits to the SoT but that is an open question, and my notes were rather hurried last time...
is everything being sent to the SoS and AG for them to distribute to the right people? Or do we also need to send the federal ones
straight to the federal people: the OFS assistant secretary. Caller says he does not have any out-of-state accounts.
Tom says he has a bunch of out of state accounts but is lumping them into subsidiary contracts, not listed individually but together by type.
Caller was rewriting the deed to deed it to the state treasurer, since these are state items. Tom says if we do it individually
it just means we print more paper but the basic idea is the same we just package it differently.
Patrick: OK, I am going to make this very simple, OK? YOu basically take your CoLB and you need to basically do the forms with it.
You send that into your birthing state secretary of state, you CC a copy to the state AG, and CC a copy of that to the Treasurer of the state;
those are the three trustees in the republic bank system that is out here now; you have to address them you are coming in in the republic capacity
and they have to broker them appropriatly, this is partly per title 46, the shipping act section 573; the age of 25 is addressed right there.
This is also per the constitutioin that basically to be a representative you had to be the age of 25, so all these contracts were supposed to be
terminated at the age of 25, they are basically collateral trust certificates and basically held in the bondage system
but that CoLB is the principal contract that you have; all others are subsidiary, so in your letter to the SoS, you can list all of the 
subcontract collateral trust contracts, the SS account, the VA; the VA is tied into the Social Security, so basically notifying them,
you can go right to the same regional office that the SS office is at, and just address it to send over to the VA division. OK?
You can do the 1415 form and basically get so much out of that for right now but when you go in and terminate and liquidate the CoLB,
all the others in the cover letter you are going to address that they are to be also terminated too: driver's license, marriage license, everything
is tied back to that certificate of title, that CoLB document. OK? Try and keep it simple; think about these things, people,
before you ask questions, study the forms, listen to the calls, try and write this down on a piece of paper.
Put a flowchart out there: how this thing really works. I will put one up in the next day or so, but basically that is all I have to say for tonight.
The rest of the discussion you guys can have open mic amongst yourself. Caller asks: who do we do the transfer by deed to?
you are not doing a transfer by deed, you are doing the modification of these contracts and the CoLB is basically the collateral trust contract--
collateral contract trust that you have, the master. You need to listen to the last several calls, OK? I did not say anything in the last call
about transfer by deed. Caller says you never told us to stop doing it so he did not realize it was no longer on the agenda.
Caller asks about endorsement on the BC. You send a certified copy of it into the SoS and I would endorse it over for complete liquidation of the bonds.
I would also when you send a copy into the attorney general and the treasurer of the state, I would also notify the treasury inspector general.
And then basically if you want to, you can address the fact that you want the initial credits borrowed restored to the treasury.
But you don't need to say that, OK? Leave that open for right now, and then basically you want a state republic debit card.
OK, go ahead and open up the mic and you discuss things amongst yourselves, talk over any victories you have had or anything like that. Good night.
Caller asks where can you get the calls? econcurrent.com/devine/calls
Caller asks if she is to understand that we need to have a certified copy of the BC, 
but with each of this mailings do we make the master package and CC the others?
Tom says we CC the others with a copy, that leaves open the question as to whether we want to actually send a certified copy to the SoS.
Caller says if each of these offices holds authority to close the account, in her mind she should be sending a fresh certified copy to EACH,
but if it is going to the "keeper of records", the Secretary of State, and that is the office that holds the responsibility for closing the acct...
Tom says he does not think they ALL have the ability to do it but as patrick has said, each one of them is a trustee and they must cooperate.
Another caller says "I would send a photocopy" because you are going to use the same serial number on the document, you do not want to confuse them
and bring the duplicate securities into question, just stamp them as "copy" right on the document.
Tom says we sent a certified copy (the state-issued one) but then to all the other people we issues copies of that 
so that as the other caller said, it is all basically the same document. Patrick was saying send it to the state you were born in.
Tom would suspect that when the three trustees get together and close the account, they essentially notify the OFS assistant secretary:
"OK, we are sending you all the credits that we have and you put them back into the account". When your fictional person granted this,
they granted all these funds at the state level so you have to close it at the state level but then finally the funds have to be up at the federal level
because that is where the Treasury bank is. Tom says the skype group is very helpful when we stay on topic; when we ask a question, we bring up
the specific document we are talking about, and we do not invent our own terms so we do not really know what we are discussing;
we have to agree on the terminology, then it all becomes simple; it is very confusing when you do not even know what anybody is talking about.
Caller says that nobody caught him on the skype group to tell him not to use the transfer by deed.
Tom was still using the transfer by deed (and modified it) down to one (line item). Tom says caller's question is right: have things modified?
still I think it was probably serving as a transfer by deed but not having to be expressed in that form; 
I think patrick's flowchart will really simplify things for us. Caller asks if there is a flowchart for this on econcurrent? Not yet.
Caller has a question: when we are doing our non-ucc, we are in the republic, and under the law of 13, and in that position, our wives are under our protection.
So on page 2 would I also list my wife's UCC contract trusts on there as a part of my (non-ucc)? 
That is what he said, but we need to make absolutely sure that is what is going on. He has said that several times but no written example yet.
One caller says to look up "Married PDSG" on skype group; there are a few people in that group talking about marriage issues.
Caller says he did a book of ruth notice, the UCCs that we did, and a couple of things like that. Tom says:
If we want to concentrate on a particular subject, we can do a quick conference call here (on this line), sometimes it is easier to talk than to read.
It would probably be good to write it up (the meeting minutes) and post that to the skype group, write up what our decision was,
and probably run it by patrick to see whether we are on target. You can use this conference line anytime, all Tom does is turn on the recording.
Other than that it is really meant to be used however you want. Caller says she does not have a skype account, how do you get onto the skype group?
Tom says you have to go to google and type in "download skype"; skype is free... Then, when you download it, install it on your computer.
Once it is installed, then create a skype account (username/password), that gives you the ability to talk to people computer-to-computer.
If you want to be able to call anywhere on a phone number, that is $3 per month to call anywhere in the USA. If you want people to be able to call you
on a phone number, that is $50 per year for a phone number that other people can call you on the computer.
But just to be on the skype group, all you need is the free skype; go to the welcome email, click the link to join the skype group,
it will ask you to sign in with your user account on the web before join the group; if you do not sign in, you will end up joining the group as a guest
and that will expire in about a day, but if you sign in with your username/password and then join the group, you will be a permanent member of the group,
and it is basically a chat box that we can work on. This is a specific group but once on skype you can communicate with anyone on skype.
The welcome email will provide you with a link, that link is also in the yahoo groups link section (second link).
Caller has a question: this is his first time on the call, he would like to know where to start. Have you joined the yahoo group? Caller is not familiar,
he received the information from a friend, and is not aware of the yahoo group. He should have filled you in more than just telling you this phone number.
Make sure you have a yahoo account (free), sign up if you do not; then google "join yahoo group we the people shareholders".
Make sure you are logged in (to yahoo) then google "join yahoo group we the people shareholders", you will get a link on the google page
that will take you straight to that page where you hit join, say that you want individual emails, you will then be sent a welcome email (to yahoo email),
and in that email there is a section that says where to start.