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In the King James Version of the Bible there are three differents words
translated into the word "hell". These Greek words have totally different
meanings. The words are Hades, Tartaros, and Gehenna.
In bibical usage, the Greek word Hades is used only 11 times in the
New Testament, and is roughly the equivalent to the Old Testament word Sheol...
meaning the grave or pit (compare Acts 2:27 with Psalms 16:10). Hades may be
likened to a hole in the ground. (In the Bible it has nothing to do with fire!)
Most modern bibical translators admit that the use in the English word hell
to translate Hades and Sheol are an unfortunate and misleading practice.
Why? Because when seeing the word "hell" many readers impute to it the
traditional connotation of an ever-burning inferno, when this was never
remotely intended in the Greek language or in Old English!
In its true bibical usage Hades does indeed refer to the state or abode of
the dead, but not in the sense of spirits walking around in some sort of
"shadowy realm." Hades is simply the abode we call the grave. All dead go to
this hell.
The second "hell" of the Bible, Tartaros, is mentioned only once in
scripture, 2 Pet.2:4; "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast
them down to hell (TARTAROS), and delivered them into chains of darkness to be
reserved unto judgment..."
Following their rebellion to unseat God from His throne (Isa.14:12-14;
Rev.12:4), the archangel Lucifer (now Satan) and a third of the created angels
(now demons) were ejected from heaven (Luke 10:18). They were cast down to
Tartaros, a place or condition of restraint that God has imposed on the
mutinous angels as they await ultimate judgment (Jude 6; 1 Cor.6:3).
Tartaros, then, is a "hell" that applies only to evil, rebellious angels or
demons (It is interesting that the ancient Greeks used this word to describe
the place in which Zeus confined the rebellious Titans). Nowhere in the Bible
is there any mention of men being put into this particular "hell".
The the third word that is translated as "hell" in the Bible is Gehenna. It
comes from the Hebrew GAI HINNOM, meaning "valley of Hinniom." Hinnom is a
deep, narrow ravine located to the south and southwest of Jerusalem.
In Old Testament times it was a place of abominable pagan rites, including
infant sacrifice (It was there that the apostate kings Ahaz and Manasseh made
their children "pass through the fire" to the god Molech. The rites were
specifically celebrated in Tophet, the "place of abhorrence," one of the chief
groves in the valley).
King Josiah of ancient Judah finally put an end to these abominations. He
defiled the valley, rendering it ceremonially unclean (2 Kings 23:10). Later
the valley became the cesspool and city dump of Jerusalem; a repository for
sewage, refuse and animal carcasses. The bodies of dispised criminals were
also burned there along with the rubbish. Fires burned continuously, feeding
by a constant supply of garbage and refuse.
Aceldama, the "field of blood", purchased with the money Judas received for
the betrayal of Christ (Matt.27:8) was also in part of the valley of Hinnom.
So what does this valley called Gehenna have to do with hell?
In Rev.19:20: the Satan inspired political dictator and a miracle-working
religious figure, the False Prophet, working with him will resist the
re-establishment of the government of God by Jesus Christ at His Second Coming.
Their fate is revealed by the apostle John: "And the beast was taken, and with
him the false prophet... These both were cast alive into a lake of fire
burning with brimstone."
Where will this temporary lake of fire (this "hell") be?
The prophet Isaiah wrote of this lake of fire prepared for the Beast: "For
Tophet (in the valley of Hinnom) is ordained of old, yea for the king it is
prepared, he hath made it deep and large, the pile thereof is fire and wood,
the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it" (Isa.30:33).
One thousand years later, Satan himself will be cast into this rekindled
fiery lake where the Beast and False Prophet were cast! (Rev.20:10).
But what of the wicked who have died over the millennia? Does the Bible
say that they are now suffering fiery punishment for their sins in a lake of
fire?
In the sequence of Rev.20 the incorrigibly wicked are resurrected to be
thrown into the lake of fire after Satan is cast there! (Rev.20:15). What will
become of these wicked? Will they writhe in flames for eternity?
The wicked will be burned up from the intense heat of the coming Gehenna
fire on the earth. They wil be consumed, annihilated, destroyed! This
punishment will be everlasting (permanent and final). The Bible calls it the
"second death" (Rev.20:14; 21:8), from which there is no possibility of a
further resurrection.
The Bible does teach eternal punishment, but not eternal punishing.
The prophet Malachi provides a graphic description. "For, behold, the day
cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do
wickedly, shall be stubble, and the day that cometh shall burn them up..."
(4:1). To the righteous, God says that the wicked shall be "ashes under the
soles of your feet..."(Mal.4:3).
Gehenna was a place of destruction and death, not a place of living
torture! Jesus was talking to Jews who understood all about this Gehenna or
valley of Hinnom. Utter destruction by fire was complete. Nothing was left,
but ashes!
Every text in the Bible translated from this Greek word Gehenna means
complete destruction, not living torture (not eternal life in torment)! The
Bible says, in Romans 6:23, "The wages of sin is death", not eternal life in
torture. The punishment revealed in the Bible is Death... the cessation of
life.
Eternal life is the GIFT OF GOD!
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Gordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (
Marc Gabriel) writes:
: >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very
: >hard to culture Bb in most cases. The point is that Dr. N has developed a
: >"feel" for what is and what isn't LD. This comes from years of experience.
: >No serology can match that. Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a "quack"
: >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.
: >
: Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures.
: They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I've
: seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it
: now." Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating
: Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this
: pattern. They are usually GPs.
No, he does not exclusively treat LD patients. However, in some parts of the
country, you don't need to be known as an LD "specialist" to see a large
number of LD patients walk through your office. Given the huge problem of
underdiagnosis, orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just
about every day in their regular practices. Dr. N. told me that last year,
he sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the LD specialists... and he is not
the only orthopedists in the town.
Let's say that only 2 people per week actually have LD. That means at the
*very minimum* 104 people in our town (and immediate area) develop late stage
manifestations of LD *every year*. Add in the folks who were diagnosed by
neurologists, rheumatologists, GPs, etc, and you can see what kind of problem
we have. No wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an LD
patient.
He refers most patients to LD specialists, but in extreme cases he puts the
patient on medication immediately to minimize the damage (in most cases, to
the knees).
Gordon is correct when he states that most LD specialists are GPs.
-Marc.
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(215) 882-0138 Lehigh University
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In article <C6xBKw.M4L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:
> ... and who copied the months of the Armenians?
Come again? The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing
glory in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood
and independence, they have always been subservient, and engaged
in undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed
genocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia
and x-Soviet Armenia before and during World War I and fully
participated in the extermination of the European Jewry
during World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing,
rebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the
Armenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians
engaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal
they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million
Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.
And the justice is long overdue.
Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
"Document No: 50," Archive No: 4/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer
No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.
(To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)
"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from
leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night
they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,
after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements
of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around
Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are
being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and
barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days."
"Document No: 52," Archive No: 4/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer
No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.
(To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps
Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army
General)
"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the
population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are
facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties
and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate
the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have
regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and
cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority
seems to be failing in restoring order."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
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I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how
effective are they? Has anyone have any experience in this area?
With highest regards,
Babak Sehari.
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This was posted by Lyn Bates to the firearms-politics mailing list:
I recently learned that Don Kates was going to be in Boston to give a talk
at the Harbard Law School about the Waco situation. (Of course, this was
all set up after the incident started but long before its unhappy
conclusion.) So, yesterday I went to hear him. What follows is a rough
summary of what I think I heard him say, which should not be taken as
exactly what he actually said...
Kates started by saying that since he didn't know any more about the fire
than the audience did (it had just happened the day before), he would not
discuss that, but would concentrate on the original raid.
Koresh definitely was not playing with a full deck. But so what? This
isn't the first time that the leader of a new, small religious group has
been ridiculed by the public. Extreme religious views nearly always fuel
hatred and mistrust. The first amendment applies, maybe especially, to
people like Koresh.
Lengthy digression into the history of police organizations in the US.
There were none until about 1830, when they began in metropolitan areas.
Police originally were not armed; if they found a crime in progress, they
called local armed citizens to help. Many began to carry arms for
protection despite regulations against them, eventually the laws were
changed to allow them to carry guns. The original intent was to have many
small police departments, jealous of one another and competitive, but not
large enough to be a threat to liberty, hence the plethora of
organizations ranging from postal inspectors to the coast guard. When the
FBI was started, agents did not have the authority oto carry guns (they
were to be, after all, a bureau of investigation, not a police force).
"All police agencies will be misused by anyone in power to maintain that
power."
The BATF started as a tax collection agency, whose primary job was to raid
illegal stills. When the price of sugar went up so high that moonshiners
no longer found their trade no longer profitable, many illegal stills
disappeared, and the BATF needed something else to do to justify its
existence, so it turned to activities like phony raids on gun stores.
Around the time when the BATF's annual budget is under review, the media
is alerted by the BATF to come to such-and-such a place, where at a
pre-arranged time, a bunch of cars full of BATF agents roar up to the door
and the media get great pictures of the agents entering the premises of a
gun dealer suspected of not keeping books properly. The media isn't
invited in for the boring hours of agents leafing through paperwork, but
if any irregularities are found, the media gets to cover the agents
removing armfuls of guns from the premises, and the luckless FFL in
chains.
The Waco incident happened a few weeks before BATF's budget was up for
review.
Kates' opinion is that it was a staged publicity stunt that went bad, and
that the BATF never thought for a moment that they would actually be shot
at, or they would have planned the raid differently (not sending 100
agents over open ground with no cover, for example), and would have had
some medical personnel on hand.
He confirmed that some years ago there was a warrant for Koresh's arrest
in connection with a murder charge, and the local sheriff called him on
the phone and explained about it. Koresh sais, ok, come pick me up, and
the sheriff did, temporarily confiscating all the guns so that they could
be tested. Koresh was later cleared, release, and presumably got his guns
back. At least at that time, he was rational enough to be approached
rationally, and behaved in a reasonable manner.
The BATF didn't take into account that, unlike most of the FFL's they
audit, Koresh was actually paranoid, and fostered paranoia in his
followers. Thus the pubicity stunt looked like a real attack to them, and
they reacted accordingly.
With respect to the original warrant, it had not been unsealed when Kates
was giving his talk, so he could not comment on it, except to mention that
the BATF has been known to not double-check the veractiy of their
informants, if they can manage to get a judge to issue a warrant. He had
more to say about the way the warrant was served, which may have been
completely illegal. Apparently the proper way to serve a warrant is to
knock on the door and announce that you're an officer with a warrant for
thus-and-so; if they don't open the door and the evidence is flushable,
then it is ok to break in the door. But since it is hard to flush guns
down the toilet, there may have been no justification for the BATF
breaking in the way they did. If the constitutional rights of the
Davidians were violated by an invalid warrant, or by an improperly served
warrant, then the Davidians may have been justified in their actons. A
close look at one of the original films shows that one BATF agent _may_
have shot himself by accident when entering the building; if so, this was
the first shot fired!
The role of the media could have been a whole lot worse. After an initial
position on the side of the BATF, the media began to come around to the
view that this might be a situation in which legally armed citizens held
off a bad, possibly illegal attack. A real cynic might say that the FBI
went in when they did because it was clear that public opinion was
beginning to change sides, and the FBI wanted to act before they lost the
public's sympathy.
Should the BATF be abolished? No. Police agencies _should_ be numerous,
diverse, inefficient, decentralized, etc. Better a few inept accidents
like this, than a move toward a single, large, well-organized,
well-trained, powerful, domestic police force, which would eventually have
even more tragic results.
- Lyn Bates
(bates@bbn.com)
PS Don Kates will be giving a shorter version of this talk at Boston
College Law School next Tuesday, April 27. I don't know the exact time or
place, but presumably a phone call to the BC law school could elicit that
information.
--
Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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>>In article <1stjjb$pep@transfer.stratus.com> khalid@bunce.hw.stratus.com (Khalid Chishti) writes:
>>For those of you who are against US to commit ground troops, fine just lift the arms-embargo on BOTH
>>sides (since we know that serbs always got the heavy weapons form federal army).
>>
>>Wake up West!! and admit that you are the most uncivilized, the most hypocratic and the most violent
>>bunch on this earth...
>>
>>
>>-Khalid
>C. Akgun Writes:
>
>It is also so easy to blame the West for their indiffernce to
>real Bosnian suffering. How about the moslem world, about 1 billion?
>How about them ha? What they are doing to stop this
>massacre? Why the oil rich Arab states make the Bosnian crises
>a national interest of the West, especially for Europeans? We all
>know they can do it over night, don't we? Blaming West and asking
>why they don't put their life into danger seems to be the choice of
>muslims too. I think who is sleeping is not the West. They are wide
>awake. They are trying to save the face.
Please, read my post carefully, I am saying that lift the arms emargo
and let the MUSLIMS defend themselves. The point is these Europians
"civilized countries" neither want to get intervene militarily themselves
and nor they like to see the muslims of the world to help the oppressed.
(Remember what happened almost one year ago when the so called UN discovered
some riffles in an Iranian jet in Bosnia!). The west is not indifferent
in this matter they are siding with Serbs by keeping this embargo on only
muslim side (okay on-paper on both sides).
-Khalid
Disclamer: These are my opinions only and they have nothing to do with my
employer.Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.afganistan,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.african,soc.cultur
Subject: Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians
Summary:
Expires:
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Keywords:
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Last week I asked for help in getting an old homemade amp working with
my Sun CD-ROM drive. It turns out that the channel I was testing with
was burned out in the amp. The other channel works fine.
So now I need a new amplifier chip. My local Radio Shack no longer
carries components! The chip is a 12 pin SIP (?) labelled with BA5406
and then "502 515" below that.
Does anyone have a source? Thanks,
--
Bill Morrow Clinical Neurosciences, University of Calgary
e-mail: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca voice: (403) 220-6275 fax: (403) 283-8770
3330 Hospital Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2N 4N1
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In article <rauser.734062608@sfu.ca>, rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:
>
> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick
> of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the
> Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and
> "Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,
> and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other
> teams is getting worse as well.
I'm sick too watching all-american names like GRETZKY etc.
Which names you accept ? Sitting bull and dances with wolves ?
It is North America. What are you doing here ?
Jyri
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In article <C5x3E6.3nx@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.204556.21262@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) writes:
>>
>> Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable)
>>when stored on a concrete floor?
>> I decided to bring the battery in from the lawn mower and the motorcycle
>>from the unheated garage this year, *to preserve them* and I just
>>went to use them and noticed that not only do they not work, but
>>they act like the two terminals are shorted. I asked a friend
>>and he said that you should never do that, 'cause it ruins them,
>>but he couldn't tell me why.
>
>This topic was beaten to death a year or so ago.
>
>The concrete is not the problem.
>
>Lead-acid batteries often fail from disuse (not being charged for a long
>time), but there's no way the concrete floor could be the cause of the
>problem.
The concrete floor accelerates the problem because it is a heat sink and a
colder lead-acid battery self-discharges at a slightly faster rate. That's
why the old wives' tale of sitting it on a piece of wood on the floor works
to help keep from killing the battery as fast ---- it insulates the battery
thermally. It you'll set the battery down on a piece of styrofoam, it will
self-discharge even slower. The best thing would be to attach a small load
such as a small transistor radio with the volume turned down low and leave it
on constantly, but also trickle-charge it every couple days too to "shallow-
cycle" the charge in the battery. Such mild "exercising" of a lead-acid
battery is the next best thing to completely removing the electrolyte for
storage. If you do remove the electrolyte, may sure you keep separate storage
containers for each cell's electrolyte and put it back into the same cells
when you refill the battery. This isn't so critical for a brand-new battery
in a fully charged state, but will maximize the restored output of an older
battery which may not be fully charged when you remove the electrolyte for
storage.
--
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Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>Someone in the government actually believed Koresh knew the "seven
>seals of the apocalypse", and ordered the invasion so that they'd all
>be dead and unable to talk about them in public.
Everything we need to know about the seven seals is already
in the bible. There is no "knowledge" of the seals that
Koresh could have.
Unless the FBI were to kill all publishers of the bible, it
would seem the story of the seven seals would be bound to
leak out.
Assuming for the moment that the FBI believed in the bible and
were afraid of the seven seals, then they would also know
that God is the one who has to open the seals, not some
little prophet like Koresh.
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In article <24APR199302290235@utarlg.uta.edu>, b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
> In article <1993Apr21.190441.4282@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>,
> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...
>
>>In article <1993Apr21.164554.1@ccsua.ctstateu.edu>,
>>parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu writes:
>>> I told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead.
>>> The FBI and the BATF could not let a man like that live. He was
>>> a testimonial to their stupidity and lies.
>>>
>> [...deleted...]
>>
>>Unfortunately, I think you've got it figured pretty well. I also ask
>>myself the question "Why did they plan for so many months. Why was
>>this so important to them? What was the government really up to?
>>Why did they seal the warrant? Were they after Koresh or were they
>>after the first and second amendments, among others?
>
> Allow me to play devils advocate a moment JG:
Didn't expect to find you in the Devil's role, Stephen, but these are
the times that try men's souls.
>
> o What was called many months of *planning* was probably
> the intelligence collecting: paperwork and interviews.
>
Nine months, as I understand it. No doubt this accounts for a
significant amount of the time as government efficiency in spending
our tax dollars would certainly seek its absolute minimum in such
an event. But my gut instinct says there is more at hand. It took
some careful preplanning to demonize D.K. to such an extent. The
attack meshes well with more restrictive gun control legislation
that seems to be the agenda of the day. It also fits a pattern of
increased government interference in personal religious beliefs.
[Randy Weaver is now on trial].
> o It's important to them because it justifies budgets.
>
No quarrel here. The BIG BANG theory is always apt at appropriation
time. They just don't have to possess a single motive.
> o The warrant was sealed to keep from jeopardizing the
> the government's case.
I certainly think publication of the warrant undermines the government's
case since it makes no claims of illegal action. Therefore the federal
judge had reason to seal it. But I am reminded of Senator Frank Church's
remark that "secrecy is the trademark of a totalitarian government."
There is rarely sufficient motive to seal a warrant in a nation of
free people.
>
> o There was probably no one actually exercising oversite.
> Instead, a system of bureaucratic rules has been set
> up for such incidents. Like computer programs -- these
> have to be debugged periodically. Especially when used
> in fringe areas. (cf. the "hostage rescue" program).
> Therefore -- NO ONE WAS IN CHARGE. And no one can
> reasonably be held responsible.
How can I argue with irrefutable logic? I have long suspected that
the government has become a mindless machine and now you go and
confirm my worst fears! Has it become a BEAST that is programmed
simply to say "Kiss my toe and you get your piece of the pie?"
I suspect bugs in the program arise when agents or those who love
this critter have independent thoughts.
> o What they were after, generally speaking, is protecting
> their jobs, budgets, and paychecks.
And watching Terminator II.
>
>
>>> We waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran. We gave these
>>> people 51 days.
>>>
> 186 died at the Alamo. 86 died that day in Waco.
Yes, 186 seeds for a new Republic. And 86 for...?
>
> Rev. 11:9 ...And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and
> nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an
> half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put
> in graves.
>
> Why no burial? Is is that the bodies of the Witnesses will be said
> to be property of the state? Or just a typical bureaucratic delay?
>
Rev. 11:10...And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice
over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one
to another; because these two prophets tormented them
that dwelt on the earth.
Stephen, have you sensed that some have been rejoicing lately....?
> |
> -- J --
> |
> | stephen
>
>
--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not
<f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> | matter at all what actually happened.
Remember the Alamo | Truth is what the government chooses to
Remember Waco | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen.
--Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La.
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> In article <C5E2G7.877@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:
> >
> >Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an
> >overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most
> >people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the
> >other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this?
I have a long sighted eye and a short sighted eye. My right eye tends
to cut out when I look at distant things, my left eye when I am close
up. I had specs to balance things up a bit but could do without them.
I thought that, one way or another, I would always be able to see
clearly. Unfortunately middle age is rearing its ugly head and I can
no longer see close up objects clearly. Maybe it's just that my arms
are getting shorter :-)
--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The floggings will continue until morale improves
pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand
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I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain.
I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question:
Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination?
Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message?
WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking?
These are some very good questions for the FAQ.
If someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know
where I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers
for everyone to see.
thanks,
Tim Keanini <timk@broder.com> or <blast@crl.com>
Sound Engineer Broderbund Software
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <199304160443.AA25231@sun.Panix.Com> justice@Panix.Com (Michael Justice) writes:
}Dillon has published a letter in the Blue Press telling people
}"How to Bankrupt HCI" by requesting information from them.
}
}Last time this idea went around in rec.guns, a couple of people
}said that HCI counts all information requestors as "members".
}
}Can anyone confirm or deny this?
}
}If true, what's the impact of HCI getting a few thousand new
}members?
Last I heard, HCI had something like 250K members to the NRA's 3 million.
If true, and they want to play duelling mandates, well ...
The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp Laws define crime.
3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (310) 450-9111, x2483 Police enforce laws.
Santa Monica, CA 90405 Citizens prevent crime.
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Thanks for all the recommendations. I have decide to ignore the service
indicators and do oil change myself every 3000 miles.
Thanks again for all the responses.
Derek
| 7rec.autos
|
Here is the latest on relocating your help files to a server.
The WinHelp() function, as I am told by MS, does search your path so
relocating MS windows helpfiles won't be a problem as long as you include
the path to where you move them to, however, if an application has
hardcoded the path into their code so that when WinHelp is invoked it
searches the given path (i.e. WinHelp(hwnd, c:\amipro) for example) then
WinHelp does not search your path and instead looks only to that directory
where you have installed your software.
I tested this out on a variety of software packages. I moved all my
helpfiles to the drive z:\ and included this in the path statement.
Here is the results for different software packages:
Norton Desktop Found Helpfiles
Windows V3.1 for WorkGroups Found Helpfiles
Windows V3.1 Found Helpfiles
MS Powerpoint V3.0 Found Helpfiles
MS Word Found Helpfiles
MS Excel V4.0a Did Not Find Helpfiles (strange)
MS Foxpro V2.5 for Windows Found Helpfiles
Lotus Amipro V3.0 Did Not Find Helpfiles
Procomm Plus for Windows Did Not Find Helpfiles
I guess this is better than nothing but it would make sense to be able to
specify a global path for helpfiles.
If anyone has any comments or If I can help anyone or if I left something
out please let me know.
lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu
thanks for the help from everyone especially jagrant@emr1.emr.ca
More info on this topic as it develops
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Hi,
What presentation package would you recommend for a Bible teacher?
I've checked out Harwards Graphics for Windows. I think its more
suitable for sales people than for preachers or Bible teachers to present
an outline of a message.
I'm looking for one that:
* is great for overhead projector slides.
* has or imports clip arts
* works with Word for Windows or imports Word for Windows files.
* works with inkjet printers
If you know of any that meets part or all of the above, please let me know.
Please email your response as I don't keep up with the newsgroup.
Thanking you in advance,
James.
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
B
BK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying
BK>wants 80ns simms?
You shouldn't have troubles. I have heard of machines having problems
with slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster.
BK>Also, is it possible to plug in SIMMs of different
BK>speeds into the same motherboard? ie - 2 megs of 70ns and 2 megs of 6
BK>or something like that?
Sure. I have 4 70ns SIMMs in one bank and 4 60ns SIMMS in the other ( I
have a 486 ). I wouldn't recommend mixing speeds within a bank, just to
be on the safe side.
-rdd
rdesonia@erim.org
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[to Benedikt Roseneau ]
#In article <1qv6at$fb4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
#
#>#The information of that is invariant under your child being a son or
#>#a daughter and singing about Santa Claus. Wasn't your argument that
#>#"there has to be more"?
#>More than what?
#More than we assume.
Which is what, exactly?
#>(a) Most of the people I debate disagree with my premises. Hardly debate
#> otherwise.
#
#Your favorite point that we sense so it hs to be there has been challenged
#more than once. When I did it, you said, "good question", and did not
#address it.
I've addressed "it" (your caricature is not my "favourite point", needless
to say) at length in a previous outing, and am currently discussing it with
Eric Rescorla.
#>(b) There's little point in responding the same points everywhere; I do
#> my best to give everyone the courtesy of a reply.
#
#You still repeat that point.
I do? Curious, since I believe that was the first time I've ever made it.
Not that repetition would imply much more than your seeming inability
to understand; you ask me the same question, I'll give you the same
answer, especially when in this case, I know the answer to be true. I
do my best to give everyone the courtesy of a reply, but if everyone is
making the same points, and I'm pushed for time, then I try to respond what I
believe are the strongest formulations of those points. If that doesn't
include your post, tough; this is USENET, and life is tough all over.
#>(c) Since there's a great deal of responses this isn't always feasible; I
#> do my best to honestly answer questions put to me.
#
#You drop out of debates with some posters and continue with others. You appear
#with the same issue every n months, and start the dicussion at the beginning
#again.
I've only debated this issue twice in a.a, and occasionally in t.a. The
first was in response to Simon Clippingdale's positive assertion that
disagreement about moral values inexorably acknowledges that morals
are relative. It doesn't. Now, Simon has dropped out of the debate
for some time; I take that to mean that he is either busy, or bored
with the topic. I certainly do not accuse him of dishonesty. Do you?
#>(d) I can't always understand what you say
#
#Neither can't I understand you all the time. Usually, one asks what the other
#side means.
Usually, one does. Usually you're clear, but sometimes you aren't
and I ask you what you mean; other times you seem to get extremely uptight
and I feel that I'm debating against line noise. Sometimes I get tired, and
sometimes I have other things I'd rather do. Again, this is USENET, and
life is tough all over. You're going to have to deal with it.
#>(e) You're starting to get personally insulting; I may not even put your name
#> in the hat in future.
#
#That's supposed to be a threat?
No, that's a simple statement, and an assertion that I am not answerable
to those who offer me baseless insults. For example, those who accuse me
of lying about my personal beliefs, while also complaining that I don't answer
their questions.
#>#Like that you what you sense is evidence for the sensed to be there.
#>#If only everything would be so easy.
#>
#>What almost everyone senses is evidence for the sensed to be there.
#>Because to all intents and purposes, it *is* there.
#> #We had that argument. For one, your claim that everyone senses it
#is not founded, and you have been asked to give evidence for it often.
#And then, the correct statement would be it is reason to assume that it
#is there unless evidence against it has been found.
I have no problem with the second statement. I have provided an
argument that almost everyone senses that Freedom is valuable - the
only cogent objection to this came from jon livesey, and was offered
by some other people too: essentially, that people disagree about
fuzzy concepts such as Freedom. It's a good point, and I'm thinking
about it.
#
#Your trick is to say, I feel A is not right, and so do many I know,
#therefore A is absolutely right. It neglects the possibility that
#these people consider A to be right as an effect of the same process,
#restricting the claim of its absoluteness to those who have been subject
#of that process. In other words, refutes it. You make the ontological
#claim, you have to prove it.
Nonsense. My "trick" is to say: I feel that A is better than B and so
does almost any disinterested person I ask. Best evidence is therefore
that A really is better than B, subject to the assumption that we
can establish to our mutual satisfaction what we mean by A and B, and
that the resulting system of values is self-consistent.
Now get this: "really is better" is an idealisation, a fictional model,
in the same sense that "real material existence" is a fictional model. It
may or may not correspond to something true. It is nonetheless a useful
_assumption_. Far more useful than the equally assumed relativist
"trick", to wit:
I feel that A is better than B, and so does almost any disinterested person
I ask. However, if even one person disagrees that A is better than B,
or if even one person dissents from mutually agreed definitions of A and B,
then it is the case that B is better than A for that person, and nothing
more can be said.
I say this is useless because it inexorably implies that a supermajority
seeking to maximise A cannot morally take action against someone seeking to
maximise B (e.g. a terrorist). To do that would be to claim that
a supermajority's carefully considered morality would be better than the
terrorist's - which would, of course, be true, but a no-no for an ethical
relativist. To claim that ethical relativism implies anything else is
simply weasel words, and an example of compartmentalisation to rival
anything in the world of religion.
#>#For a similar argument, I sense morality is subjective, it does not
#>#hurt me to do things that are considered to be objectively wrong by
#>#others.
#>
#>If you mean that you do things that some others consider objectively
#>wrong, and it turns out not to be the case for you - of course this
#>is possible. It is neither evidence for subjectivism, nor evidence
#>against objectivism (except sometimes, in a pragmatic sense).
#>
#It serves as a counterexample for that everything that is subject to
#judgements is absolute. And as long as you don't provide evidence for
#that there is something universally agreed upon there is no reason to
#believe your hypothesis.
I've done this: freedom, with the proviso that I still have to
answer jon's objection that fuzzy concepts like freedom have no
objective meaning.
#Further, in order to make morality absolute, universal, or objective,
#you would have to show that it is independent of humans, or the attributes
#above look quite misleading.
Not really. What evidence is there that _anything_ exists independently
of humans? You'll be hard pressed to find any that isn't logically
equivalent when applied to values.
#>An analogous set of premises would be:
#>
#>Premise 1: Some people believe that objectively speaking the shortest
#> route from my house to a bar is through the main entrance
#> of the estate, and down the Malahide road.
#>
#>Premise 2: I checked it out, and found that the shortest route from my
#> which is much closer.
#>
#>You would never deduce from these that there is no shortest route from my
#>house to a bar; yet that is seemingly how you derive your relativist claim,
#>using premises which are logically no different.
#>
#
#No. Morals are a matter of belief so far. The people still believe that the
#shortest way is through the main entrance. No agreement on *belief* here.
#And in order to have an analogy you would have to show that there is a
#shortest way and that there is a method to convince everyone of that it
#is the shortest way indeed. In other words, your analogy works only when
#one assumes that your premises are right in the first place. If not, it is
#a fallacy.
And if this were an argument for objectivism, you'd be right. It isn't,
though, it's a demonstration that the argument you gave me is neither argument
*against* objectivism, nor argument *for* relativism. Your gimmick is to
assume in the first place that values aren't real, and to use this to "prove"
that values aren't real. In other words, you beg the question against me.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 0alt.atheism
|
" For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the
othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the
spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident
when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville.
Request offers.
Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"
| 6misc.forsale
|
I participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images.
They sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked
me to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major
award. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package
until one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them
so long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested
for a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to
find out their telephone number through operator and received the
package. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another
letter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they
address they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to
call them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number.
It took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number,
but they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their
manager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call
yet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk.
Should I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until
they call me back?
I know there are several people on the net has experience with the
same company. I would like to know how they got their money back.
If you have similar experience, please advise me.
Thanks in advance,
Douglas Kou
Hiram College
| 6misc.forsale
|
In article <1r7sshINNpvq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, thewho@athena.mit.edu
(Derek A Fong) wrote:
>
> What kind of power cord will he get with the Apple
> monitor. Does it come with two types?
No. I recently bought an LC II with a 14" monitor. The monitor comes with
the type of power cable that plugs into the switched outlet on the back of
most larger Macs. Since the LC II doesn't have one of these outlets, there
was an extra standard power cable included with the computer for use with
the monitor. But it was in the computer box, not the monitor box. It's
not as if the cables are particularly expensive, though. $10-$15 at the
most.
--
John Werner werner@soe.berkeley.edu
UC Berkeley School of Education 510-596-5868
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(Frank Crary) says:
>
>>>>...I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by
>>>> taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting.
>
>>>That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too. Aim alone is no d
>goo
>>>for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly.
>
>>Very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual. It looked
>>to me like they were practicing to shoot someone...
The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being
a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this
area (or in the state of illinois for that matter). This is not to say that
people in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like
that when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea.
>
>There isn't necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed
>weapon for self-defence and practicing to shoot someone. Armed
>self-defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker.
>
> Frank Crary
> CU Boulder
I agree. If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you
most likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise.
Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
greetings..
I'm a novice in this area. I'm trying to gather info. on standard
phone line settings.
quick questions :
> if I just want to send out a beep over the phone lines,
can I do it with some function generator & tie it up to
one of those phone wires ??
> which one of those wires should I connect to my DTMF chip
as AUDIO IN ??
any help would be much appreciated..
Thankx in advance - Handy Trisakti
uc532838@mizzou1.missouri.edu
| 12sci.electronics
|
In article <C63r8F.76s@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:
|> Israel - Happy 45th Birthday!
|>
Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been killed
by Israel during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?
Hamid
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Article 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:
Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
>Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo
Date: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu
Hello.
I have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc
ription:
60 programible chanels
fully detailed backlighted digital display
headphone jack
antenna jack
removable telescoping antenna
auto search
coverage:
30-50mHz
118-174mHz
380-512mHz
It originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.
Thank You.
--
/ / Buchanan in `96!
/ / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
--
/ / Buchanan in `96!
/ / Fear the goverment that fears your guns.
\ \/ / Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou
\/ / r freedoms. aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
| 6misc.forsale
|
In article C4M@cuug.ab.ca, winsorr@sun (Robin Winsor 233-4670) writes:
>You are right to be going Motif rather than OpenLook. Sun has just recently
>seen the light and dumped their commitment to OpenLook. In the announcement
>they stated they have no future plans for DevGuide.
This is incorrect. Sun has made no such claim regarding Devguide, and as
manager of the Devguide engineering group I can state with authority that
work on Devguide is continuing apace. We had quite a strong show of interest
from the Devguide user community at last week's Solaris Developer's Conference.
Devguide is being advocated not only as a valuable future builder tool, but
as an important bit of transition technology that will help sustain current
customers and facilitate their migration to the COSE Desktop Environment.
If you have specific questions about Devguide availability, etc., you can
contact Tali Aben, our Devguide Product Marketing person, at (415) 336-3536.
David Bryant
Devguide Manager
SunSoft
| 5comp.windows.x
|
Hey folks.
Is it possible to short out your CMOS chip? I think mine is fried.
These are the symptoms...
I have to do the following to get my computer (a Gateway 486DX33)
to boot...
Turn the power off
Disconnect the battery to the CMOS chip
Turn the power on
Get into setup upon getting the CMOS configuration error
Set up the CMOS
Exit the setup with [F10] (phoenix bios)
Ignore the diskette 0 seek error and press [F1]
The computer then boots normally. Both hard drives are accessible
but the floppy drives are not.
I can back up over the network and such, but if I need to reboot,
I have to turn off the computer and repeat the steps above. If I
simply <Ctl>-<Alt>-<Del>, the computer hangs after the memory test.
Does this sound like the CMOS chip is fried? Can I buy another one?
Where?
Thank you for your kind attention.
john
--
John C. Lusth, Becton Dickinson Research Center, RTP, NC, USA jcl@bdrc.bd.com
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <C63vvG.4J9@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>Only if he doesn't spend more than a billion dollars doing it, since the
>prize is not going to be scaled up to match the level of effort. You can
>spend a billion pretty quickly buying Titan launches.
Fine. I'll buy from George. GEORGEEE!!!!
That assumes I can't weasel out a cooperative venture of some sort (cut me a
break on the launcher, I'll cut you in on the proceeds if it works). Only the
government pays higher-than-list price.
>What's more, if you buy Titans, the prize money is your entire return on
>investment. If you develop a new launch system, it has other uses, and
>the prize is just the icing on the cake.
Unless you're Martin Marietta, since (as I recall) they bought out the GD line
of aerospace products.
If MM/GD does it as an in-house project, their costs would look much better
than buying at "list price." Does anyone REALLY know the profit margins built
in to the Titan? C'mon. Allen is telling us how cheap we can get improved this
or that...
>I doubt very much that a billion-dollar prize is going to show enough
>return to justify the investment if you are constrained to use current
>US launchers.
Oh please. How much of a profit do you want? Pulling $100-150 million after
all is said and done wouldn't be too shabby. Not to mention the other goodies
I'll collect in:
a) Movie & TV rights (say $100-150 million conservatively)
b) Advertising ("Look Mommie, they're drinking Coke!")
c) Intangibles (Name recognization, experience & data
acculumated)
>You're going to *have* to invest your front money in building a new launch
>system rather than pissing it away on existing ones. Being there first is
>of no importance if you go bankrupt doing it.
If you want lean, fine. A $500 million prize would be more than adequate for a
prize.
Maybe Wales would be kind enough to define what a company would consider
a decent profit.
If you want R&D done, you'll have to write in R&D clauses. I suppose you could
make it a SBIR set-aside :)
Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it?
-- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < --
| 14sci.space
|
I have the following CDs for sale for $6 each plus postage.
All CDs are in perfect condition.
Michael Bolton Time, Love & Tenderness
Paula Abdul Forever Your Girl
Taylor Dayne Tell it to My Heart
Lionel Richie The Composer
Elvis Presley 18 Number One Hits
Bobby Vinton Greatest Hits
Super Hits of the 70's
(includes Yellow River, Rose Garden, For the Good Times,
Help Me Make it through the Night, Mr. Bojangles, Sweet Mary,
One Toke Over the Line, Put Your Hand in Hand, Stay Awhile,
Woodstock, Silver Bird, I Ain't got time Anymore)
New Fashioned Love Songs (import)
(includes extended remixes and dance mixes for the following:
I Know You Were Waiting - Aretha Franklin & George Michael,
Walk Like an Egyptian, Live It Up - Mental As Anything
Is this Love - Alison Moyet
I'll be Alright Without You - Journey
The Rain - Oran Jones
In My Dreams - Reo Speedwagon
Shake You Down - Gregory Abbott
Fight For Ourselves - Spandau Ballet
Between Two Fires - Paul Young
Falling in Love - Miami sound machine
Heartache Away - Don Johnson )
| 6misc.forsale
|
In article <1993Apr26.200406.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> belgarath@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
|energetic for close by. for the coronal model, we found around 10^43 erg/sec.
|And lastly, for the cosmological model an L=10^53. That's what you'd call
|moderately energetic, I'd say. Any suggestions about what could put out that
|much energy in one second?
> -jeremy
big Capacitor :-) Real Big capacitor.
pat
| 14sci.space
|
In article <1993Apr16.233148.9711@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes:
>On April 16, cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) wrote:
>
>C(--> It is really annoying to see all of these
>C(--> predictions on the Net. Who really cares
>C(--> who you think will win? Please stop with
>C(--> the predictions, we all know the Caps are
>C(--> going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.
>C(-->
>
>Haa!!! That's one of the things I find **most** interesting in this
>newsgroup. It's a good way of cluing into the "collective wisdom" of
>the average hockey fans. That doesn't mean they're always right,
>however. For example, the Habs are going to come out of the Adams and
>hardly anyone believes that right now.
>
>- Jack
>
> * It's hard to be humble when you're perfect.
Well, as long as we're being unduly cocky here, It's obvious that the Pens
will cone out of the Patrick Division *not* the Caps, and also that
they will win thier third Stanley Cup. "Collective Wisdom" is a very polite
way of putting it, I don't know if I'd be so gracious.
And, for what it's worth (Probably not much) I think the Habs will come out of
the Adams too.
Not new, Long absent,
Mikey D.
__
*****************************************************************************
Mike Dellinger
Computer Lab Consultant
Sutherland Hall Computer Lab and Grill
University of Pittsburgh
****************************************************************************
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article <1993Apr21.172929.23353@njitgw.njit.edu>, dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
> In article <1r1i41$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> [horror story about FBI ruining a guy's life for the hell of it omitted]
It was the BATF, but what are a few fundamental facts between friends?
> So, is this a real story or a work of fiction? How about some
> sources? When, where, and in what newspaper did you get all this
> from? Or is it all hypothetical?
You don't pay me enough to create long works of fiction for your reading
amusement...
The text excerpted appeared in the NRA Official Journal of March 1993.
The full text of the article is available for anonymous FTP from
godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu; I believe the file name is "lawmaster."
It's a cheap shot for cynics to blow off the source just because it's a
"biased NRA publication." (If your local news media didn't choose to
report on this incident, that's their failure, not ours.)
So be intellectually honest and check out the story independently.
Enough names, dates, and locations are provided; his neighbors also
witnessed the BATF's behavior.
One warning -- you may or may not get anywhere attempting to research
this through government sources:
When Lawmaster's attorney went to the U.S. Courthouse to obtain a
copy of the affidavit supporting the search warrant so that he could
determine whether there was probable cause for the issuance of the
warrant, he was told by court officials that the U.S. Attorney had
asked that the affidavit be sealed.
Sealed warrants, hm... where have we heard about THOSE lately?
Followups to t.p.g.
--
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If you can find a copy of "8088 Assembler Language Programming: The IBM PC"
by Willen and Krantz, 2nd ed. pub. by Sams, there is a discussion of the
game control adapter, monostable multivibrators, and conversion to other
uses, as well as an assembler program. If you need greater accuracy, there
is no reason you couldn't modify the approach to suit your needs.
Jim
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>Post: 51240 of 51243
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
>Subject: Re: Plus minus stat
>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University,
>Sudbury, ON Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:59:36 GMT
<discussion deleted>
>>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of
>>>course, but to each his own...
>>
>>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a
>>function of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an
>>opinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by
>>all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better.
>To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious.
>Your hockey education is not my responsibility.
MY HOCKEY EDUCATION? What the f--- are you talking about? I'm
not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement.
>>My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does
>>he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his
>>style of play.
>He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find
>bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized
>that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to
>ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey?
"I hate the Habs" ?...you sound like a 10-year old. This
statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to
argue objectively about hockey. Don't give me this crap about
"cogent arguments"...I've yet to read something of yours that is
cogent. You consistently argue with: (1) emotion; (2) huge,
sweeping statements
Frankly, you have a very unconvincing style.
I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all
that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an
effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in
anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go
ahead and refresh my memory). What about the Conn Smythe? Was
that a fluke? Yeah, not the makings of a hockey superstar, I
know, but try to have a reason, any reason, to shoot him down.
>>>go around. Who would you rather have as your "checking"
>>>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would
>>>take either Gretzky or Mario as my "checking" centres. Do you
>>>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey?
>>I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here.
>>Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ,
>>himself, in nets?
>Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not,
>why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey
>players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow
>up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to
>educate you.
Hey cowboy! You're the "expert" who introduced the idiotic
comparison of Gainey with Gretzky and Lemieux...you figure it
out.
>>Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with
>>Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison.
>Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth
>discussing.
How many individual awards between them? Eight...I don't remember
(once again, please feel free to refresh my memory...and try to
be as sarcastic as possible about my "hockey education").
>I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the
>>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.
OH MY GOD!!! Did I say that? Roger...what's your point? Fuhr
is a goaltender, goaltender's don't "plug"...in his prime, he was
one of the best. Sanderson was a scrapper...if you stick him on
you may as well include half the Flyers team of the same era.
>>first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling
>>that you've setup a "You're wrong again" macro key on your
>>machine.
>That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time
>responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be
>sure to implement that very macro.
Oh Roger, you shouldn't...really. I don't deserve this...you are
far too accomodating already.
>>I would suggest that your comment: "And when the press runs out
>>of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to
>>hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring,
>>Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne
>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard,
>>Dick Duff...and so on..." demonstrates a blanket disregard for
>>these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle
>>down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods.
>Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a "hockey god." And Greg ate
>it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't
>know that then why are you responding?
You seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into
your sweeping, vacuous statement...that's why. If you want to
debate Gainey, go ahead...but why bring up everybody else? How
does it support your argument? Do you have an argument, or do
you just like to throw around a few names hoping to impress us?
>And as for "blanket disregard for these individuals", I can
>remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such "individuals",
>winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling
>us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the
>world.
Great. I couldn't agree more. The Flyers won two cups for the
same reasons...deservedly so. So what? I don't get it. Are you
angry that the Leafs didn't get more recognition?
You seem to think these pluggers are "hyped"...I don't
agree...plain and simple. If you're last statement is some sort
of compromise, fair enough.
>>>You might consider developing your own style. After all,
>>>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite
>>>sure that flattery is not your intention.
>>
>>C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good
>>laugh.
>Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I
>realized you were a complete joke.
Not a pleasant bone in your body, eh Rog? Why are you so
unhappy? Not getting invited to enough parties? What?
>In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I
>would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument
>supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most
>of the rest of us would recognize.
Roger, why are you under the impression that responding to your
posts is some great honour? You really should stop...it sounds
a little bit pathetic. Frankly, it's about as honourable as a
good fart.
congenially, as always,
jd
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j3david@student.business.uwo.ca/s
j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)
Western Business School -- London, Ontario
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In article <1r6uojINN94b@barney.cs.city.ac.uk>, lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>
> I think you have are addressing the wrong issue. The situation
> is more like: we both see some elves. This is established as
> fact since we can both touch them etc. Then one of us says, the
> elves have always been with us. The other says, no no there was
> a time before elves were here. Which is the positive argument?
I think you are using the wrong analogy. A better one would be:
you see some elves. I don't. Where is the burden of proof there?
Karl
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In article <colinm.735327894@cunews>
colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
| Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190??
| I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC.
From the Maxtor Product Specification and OEM Manual, Doc. 1011002 Rev. F,
page 35:
J2, (20) J1 (34) POWER
|xxxxxxxxxx| |XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX| | UUUU |
+-----+ +--------+ +-------+ |
| 4 C 3 2 C 1 |
| [ O O O O O O ] |
The only option you "should" jumper is the drive select, shown as "4C32C1"
above. There is also a drive power-up option jumper (elsewhere on the
drive's board) but the odds of that having been unset are slim.
Since the 3B1 "normally" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn "C1" to
select the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive
on the 3B1, then jumper between "2C".
Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com, thad@netcom.com ]
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In <C4tCL8.7xI.1@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes:
>[Fred saying that gov coercive poser is necessary for any space program]
>I reply;
>>>BTW, Fred, you've really crossed the border, since you admit that the ideas
>>>you support can only be carried out with coercive power. Now that's really
>>>f***in' intolerant, so get off yer high horse about tolerance.
>Fred replies;
>>No, Tommy, I "admit" that there are such things as 'market failures'
>>which necessitate intervention by other than capitalist forces to
>>correct.
>I guess your understanding of this 'market failure' should be classified
>under Phil's 'economics on the level of 19th century medicine', since you
>apparently completely ignored that this 'market failure' can as easily,
>or even much more easily, be attributed to "government intervention
>failure". So, in addition to a strong moral argument against what you
>propose, there is also a strong utilitarian argument, namely that gov's
>destruction of wealth through confiscastory taxation and redistribution
>on a major scale has made significant private capital investments harder
>to make.
I note that you make no such case as you claim can be 'even more
easily made'. Yes, the argument can (and has) been made that current
government policy creates even larger market barriers than there were
in the first place, but there is no such term as 'government failure',
since the government can change policies whenever it pleases. The
market doesn't do that and is governed by (relatively) well-understood
forces. This libertopican bilge about 'moral arguments' about
taxation, etc., is, at bottom, so much simplistic economic thinking.
It can only be 'justified' by cliche derision of anyone who knows more
about economics than the libertopian -- which is what invariably
happens. Tripe a la Tommy, the new libertopian dish.
>>Get a clue, little boy, and go salve your wounded pride in my not
>>considering you infallible in some other fashion. I'm not interested
>>in your ego games.
>Puh-leese, Fred. This, besides being simply an attempt to be insulting,
>really belongs on private mail. If 'ego-games' are so unimportatnt to
>you, why the insults and this strange negative attatchment for me?
Wherever do you get this inflated idea of your own importance?
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
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They are actually 72 pin. They come in 4, 8, 16, and 32 with 64s soon
If you are interested in 4s or 8s, I may be able to help. Please call
415-324-2881 after 4:00 pm pdt. I may be interested in a trade.
NAB
ASAN-NASA it's all done with mirrors
In article <1pq2ofINNe2t@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
|>
|> In <113956@bu.edu> nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes:
|>
|> >I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS
|> >that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just
|> >received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the
|> >motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm
|> >or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would
|> >be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before.
|> >Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks
|> >Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu
|>
|> Yes you got the wrong simm. You need 70 pin simms in 4 or 16 meg
|> flavors.
|>
|> --
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|> Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | |
|> DoD#0667 "Just a friend of the beast." | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU |
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In article <pww-180493195323@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
>In article <1993Apr18.210407.10208@rotag.mi.org>, kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin
>Darcy) wrote:
>> The phenomenologist Husserl, for one, considered Intentionality to be the
>> primary ontological "stuff" from which all other ontology was built --
>> perceptions, consciousness, thoughts, etc. Frank is by no means alone in
>> seeing intentionality (or "values", as he puts it) underlying all human
>> experience, even the so-called "objective" experiences, such as
>> measurements of the natural world, or the output of your DES chip.
>
>And others of us see it as intellectual masturbation.
I'll defer to your greater firsthand knowledge in such matters.
- Kevin
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bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example)
Polysyllabic is polysyllabic too....
:-)
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kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes:
>It is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the AL east without Morris.
>Last year, when the team went 13-15 for the month of August, and all the
>other starters were being shelled, and Milwaukee was making a charge,
>Morris went 5-1 with a pretty good era (I can't remember exactly).
>Also, let's not underestimate the importance his 240+ innings to save
>the bullpen every fifth day. If he didn't help us win the AL east, forget
>about the pennent and the world series.
>His run support was high (5.98 runs) but so was Stottlemyer's (5.90 runs)
>and he won only 12 games. I do remember Morris winning an inordinate number of
>6-5 and 8-6 ballgames, but this is to his credit. He pitched only as good
>as he needed to be. When he was up 6-1 in a ballgame, he just put it in cruise
>control and threw the ball up there and let the batters "get themseleves out"
>(I hate this expression!). An inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out
>trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down. But Morris, being a
>veteran pitcher, knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in
>baseball. By saving himself, he was able to reach back for that little extra
>(I hate this too!) when the game was on the line.
I don't buy this at all. I think things are colored to a very large
degree of preconceived notions of who the players involved are. Try
this exercise:
XXX is pitching today. His team scores 4 in the first inning, and 3
in the fourth. XXX gives up 0 in the 1st through 4th. In the fifth,
he gives up 3 runs. In the 6th, he gives up 2 more. The score is now
7-5, with XXX's team still on top.
I contend that if XXX were Jack Morris, the assessment would be "he is
a gutty veteran who pitches only as well as he has to to win."
If XXX were Mike Trmbley, the assessment would be "he is an
inexperienced rookie who doesn't know how to pitch. Needs more
seasoning. Send him to AAA. Or to the spice rack."
--
John Franjione
Department of Chemical Engineering
University of Colorado, Boulder
franjion@spot.colorado.edu
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rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes:
>
> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up
>some floating point calculations.
Does anyone have details on this? What sort of FP errors is
the Q900 sensitive to?
(My Q900 is having some strange problems with an FP intensive
program, getting a lot of DS15 (Segment Loader) errors. ThinkC5.0.4 and
System 7.0.1+)
--
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UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...duke!wolves!ggw [use the maps!]
Domain: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu
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I am auctioning off the following comics. These minimum bids are set
below what I would normally sell them for. Make an offer, and I will
accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.
TITLE Minimum/Current
--------------------------------------------------------------
Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel) $ 5.00
Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988) $20.00/KrisM./TWICE
Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin) $20.00
Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin) $50.00
Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton) $ 7.50
Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor) $ 3.50
Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster) $ 5.00
Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins) $35.00
Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing) $ 7.50
Detective 657 (Azrael appears, Intro Cypher) $ 5.00
Harbinger 10 (1st appearance H.A.R.D. Corps) $ 7.00/B.Matthey/SOLD
H.A.R.D. Corps 1 $ 5.00
Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962) $ 7.50
Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue) $15.00
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Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk) $15.00
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Mr T. #1 (Signed Advance copy, 10,000 exist) $10.00
New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo) $10.00
New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force) $ 5.00
New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants) $10.00
Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo) $ 7.50
Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story) $ 7.50
Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth) $25.00
84 (4th appearance Sabretooth) $20.00
Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.) $ 7.50
Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin) $12.50
Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini) $ 7.50
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Trianglehead #1 (Special limited edition, autogrphed) $ 5.00
Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear) $10.00
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Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth) $15.00
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Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man) $12.50
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card) $20.00
X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00
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All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny
polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards. Shipping is
$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order
a large enough amount of stuff. I am willing to haggle.
I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what
you've been looking for, and maybe I can help. Some titles I have posted
here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.
--
Geoffrey R. Mason | jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu
Department of Psychology | mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu
University of Florida | prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
| 6misc.forsale
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Hello
I have recently suffered from various problems concerning
an Adaptec 1542A controller.
Problem 1:
Floppy disk drive doesn't work. There's apparently at least two jumpers
on the controller that affect the floppy disk drive. Unfortunately I
have located only one of them (in the lower front corner). I would like
to know, if there are any other such jumpers and possibly where they
are located.
Problem 2:
My hard disks refuse to boot. With my two SCSI HD's (Rodime, Miniscribe)
I get a message 'Missing operating system', even though the disks have been
formatted with the same controller and they damn sure have an operating
system on them. If I boot from a Quantum I might get as far as getting
the MS-DOS version information. This might of course be due to incombatible
memory drivers.
Are there any jumpers that could affect the HD causing such errors?
Thanks in advance
Jouni
_______________________________________________________________________________
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jmarttila@abo.fi - jmarttila@finabo - abovax::jmarttila - jjmartti@utu.fi__
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
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The article was probably referring to changing the clock oscillator in a manner similar to that done on Quadra 700's and IIsi's. I haven't read a report of this actually being done on a Centris 610 but supposedly this also works on Q900,
Q950 and centris 650 machines.
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In article <mssC5KCru.5Ip@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:
|>
|>
|> The media is beating the incident at Dodger Stadium on Wednesday to
|> death, but I haven't seen anything in rsb yet.
|>
|> Gerald Perry of the Cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two
|> on and his club down by a run. He stroked a line drive into the
|> right field corner. The ball cleared the three-foot high fence and
|> went into the crowd. Darryl, racing over from right center, got to
|> the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence, but he
|> missed the ball. A fan sitting in the front row, wearing a mitt,
|> reached up and caught the ball. Home run.
|>
|> Now I've seen the replay several times and I have concluded that
|> Darryl missed the ball, and that the fan's glove was essentially
|> behind Darryl's. Several Dodger fans with seats in the immediate
|> vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with
|> Strawberry. What cannot be disputed, however, is that the fan
|> who caught the ball never took his eye off it; he was oblivious
|> to where the fielder was playing. He was also quite exuberant as
|> soon as he realized he had made the catch.
|>
|> [Stuff about Daryl and Tommy and everyone blaming fan for the loss deleted]
I saw the replay several times too. No question about it. Daryl missed
the ball, *then* the fan caught it. Daryl is so tall that he had the
first shot at the ball. Daryl's just whining again. I think it shows a
lack of class when Tommy, Daryl and the Dodgers blame a single fan for
losing the game. What about the pitcher who threw up the gopher ball?
What about the pitchers that gave up 6 runs up to that point? Sorry, Tommy.
If it were a 2-1 game and Daryl was 5 feet 2 inches tall, then maybe -
just maybe - you'd have an argument.
| 9rec.sport.baseball
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In article <Apr.13.01.04.21.1993.686@athos.rutgers.edu> dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) writes:
> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks:
> > What is the objection to celebration of Easter?
> The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it.
>Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan
>whore goddess of fertility.
> > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.
> No, you are thinking perhaps of "Ressurection Sunday" I think.
Tsk.tsk. Too much argument on non-issues !
I'm Roman Catholic and it seems to me that people
celebrate Easter and Christmas for itself rather
than how it relates to Jesus. I don't really
care about some diety. If people have some other
definition of Easter, then that's their business.
Don't let it interfere with my Easter.
"Resurrection Sunday" 8-) Where did that come from ?
If people celebrate Easter for the Cadburry bunny,
that's their business.
> > So from this I infer that there are different rules for
> > Christians of Jewish descent? What happened to "there is
> > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for
> > all are one in Christ Jesus"?
I've always been curious about this. Is Jesus important
to Jews at all ? I thought He was thought of only
as a prophet ? If that's true what do they celebrate
Easter for ?
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>> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old
>>256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac
>>and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to
>>sell them but have gotten NO interest.
How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular
Motorola microcontrollers. I am a novice at microcontrollers, but I am
starting to get into them for some of my projects. I have several 256k
SIMMs laying around from upgraded Macs and if I could use them as "free"
memory in one or two of my projects that would be great. One project that
comes to mind is a Caller ID device that would require quite a bit of RAM
to store several hundered CID records etc...
- Dan
--
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GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS!
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There is a bancrupcy sale coming up soon, and I wonder if anyone
know about these printers: Olivetti PG-306, Canon LBp-8R,
Nec silentwriter 2 S60, Kyocera Laser F3000.
Which of the above, if any, has Postscript, and an appletalk interface builtin.
Please reply by E-mail.
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Royal Institute of Technology and the hearth fire,
Stockholm and the home acre,
f85-tno@nada.kth.se to go with the old grey widow maker."
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In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
>Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some
>effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in
>the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're
>gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone
>calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just
>get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head.
Just because they can do it anyway, somehow, does not mean it is smart to make
the job easier for them.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 11sci.crypt
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In article <C5qLLG.4BC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:
|> In article <pww-190493085759@spac-at1-59.rice.edu> pww@spacsun.rice.edu (Peter Walker) writes:
|> >
|> >Didn't the Church get lightning rods banned in several European countries
|> >in the eighteenth century because it was widely believed that they
|> >interfered with god's striking down of blasphemers? I seem to remember that
|> >this was more common in eastern Europe.
|>
|> I don't know about eastern Europe, but according to Bertrand Russell,
|> writing in Science and Mysticism (I think, though it could have been
|> another book) said that preachers in colonial Boston attributed an
|> earthquake to God's wrath over people putting up lightning rods, which
|> they had been preaching against as interference with God's will. Being
|> deprived of lightning bolts as a method to get at sinners He evidently
|> resorted to sterner measures.
|>
|> No smilies. I am not making this up.
I'm sure you are not. After the "San Francisco" Earthquake
a couple of years ago, there was a flurry of traffic on
talk.religion.misc about how this was the result of the
notorious homo- this that and t'other in the City.
The fact that the Earthquake was actually down the road in
Santa Cruz/Watsonville didn't seem to phase them any.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism
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Moscow Scientific Inductrial Association "Spectrum" offer
VIDEOSCAN vision system for PC/AT,wich include software and set of
controllers.
SOFTWARE
For support VIDEOSCAN family program kit was developed. Kit
includes more then 200 different functions for image processing.
Kit works in the interactive regime, and has include Help for
non professional users.
There are next possibility:
- input frame by any board of VIDEOSCAN family;
- read - white image to - from disk;
- print image on the printer;
- makes arithmetic with 2 frames;
- filter image;
- work with gistogramme;
- edit image.
- include users exe modules.
CONTROLLER VS9
The function of VS-9 controller is to load TV-images into PC/AT.
VS-9 controller allows one to load a fragment of the TV-frame from
a field of 724x600 pixels.
The clock rate is 14,7 MHz when loading an image with 512 pixel in
the line and 7,4 MHz when loading a 256 pixels image. This
provides the equal pixel size of input image in both horizontal
and vertical directions.
The number of gray levels in any input modes is 256.
Video signal capture time - 2.5s.
CONTROLLER VS52
The purpose of the controller is to enter the TV images into a IBM
PC AT or any other machine of that type. The controller was
created on the base of modern elements, including user
programmable gate arrays.
The controller allows to digitize a input signal with different
resolutions. Its flexible architecture makes possible to change
technical parameters. Instead of TV signal one can process any
other analog signal (including signals from slow-speed scanning
devices).
The controller has the following technical characteristics:
- memory volume - from 256 K to 2 Mb ;
- resolution when working with standard video signal - from 64x64
to 1024x512 pixels ;
- resolution when working in slow input regime - up to 2048x1024
pixels;
- video signal capture time - 40 ms.
- maximum size of a screen when memory volume is 2Mb - 2048x1024
pixels ;
- number of gray level - 256 ;
- clock rate for input - up to 30 MHz ;
- 4 input video multiplexer ;
- input/output lookup table (LUT);
- possibility to realize "scroll" and "zoom";
- 8 lines for external synchronization (an input using external
controlling signal) ;
- electronic adjustment of black and white reference for analog -
digital converter;
- possibility output image to the color RGB monitor.
One can change all listed above functions and parameters of the
controller by reprogramming it.
IMAGE PROCESSOR VS100
Image processor VS100 allows to digitize and process TV
signal in real time. It is possible digitize TV signal with
512*512*8 resolution and realize arithmetic and logic operation
with two images.
Processor was created on the base of modern elements
including user programmable gate arrays and designed as a board
for PC.
Memory volume allows write to the 256 frames with 512*512*8
format. It is possible to accumulate until 16 images.
The processor has the following technical characteristics:
- memory volume to 64 Mb;
- number of the gray level - 256;
- 4 input video multiplexer;
- input/output lookup table;
- electronic adjustment for black and white ADC reference;
- image size from 256*256 to 8192*8192;
- possibility color and black / white output;
- possibility input from slow-scan video sources.
| 1comp.graphics
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brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:
>You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make
>sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out.
>Say U.S.C. 922 :
>(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for
>any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.
> Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a "person"
>might also be an artificial entity that is created by government
>and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I
>don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on
>an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell
>me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law
>does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional
>until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not
>just your run of the mill "Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"
>Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told
>by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right?
>--
>Brian Sheets _ /| "TRUCK?! What truck?"
>Support Engineer \`o_O'
>Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark
>brians@atlastele.com U
I'm not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding, the Congress has no
more rights than what is enumerated in the constitution. That is the
prime reason why the National Firearms Act is based on collecting revenue.
Since the Congress has the authority to levy taxes, the NFA is a tax act and
the registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection.
U.S.C 922, in order to be constitutional, must have a basis on a particular
authority granted to the Congress by the Constitution. Congress can not
arbitrarily ban a substance or product. That is why prohibition came into
effect, only by passing an ammendment. What you said about constitutionality
of law needs to be clarified. I believe that an unconstitutional law was
never constitutional. When a law is determined by the Supreme Court, to be
unconstitutional, that law was never really a law. The very nature of the law
being unconstitutional invalidates the law at it's inception. Please correct
me if I'm wrong, but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional, anyone
convicted of breaking that law is absolved.
I don't believe U.S.C 922 has ever been challenged in court. NFA has been
invalidated in two Federal District Court cases( one may have been appellate
level{ U.S. vs Rock Island Armory and U.S. vs Dalton}).
| 16talk.politics.guns
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I have read one report of a brave soul who rewired the 40 mhz clock and a higher
speed clock oscillator's outputs through a double throw switch to allow different
speeds. There was no mention of any attempts to switch speeds on the fly but
if the SI uses timing loops anything like a Quadra for accessing its floppy
drive, dynamic switching will wreak havoc. A Quadra must reboot after having its
clock speed significantly changed or it will be unable to properly access its
floppy drive.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
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In article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:
Just a question.
As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee
intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes
with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition
for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)
You are obliged to let the police search the equipment if they have a
proper court order. You are under no legal obligation to keep the data
intelligble. If you wish to run your BBS entirely with all data
encrypted such that if the police show up they cannot read anything,
well, thats their problem. There are no legal restrictions on domestic
use of cryptography in the United States -- YET.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
| 11sci.crypt
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In article <1993Apr21.134848.19017@peavax.mlo.dec.com>, lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) writes:
>
> What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems "off"
> when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible
> causes of this? Why does it happen?
I can't answer most of your questions, but I've seen it happen in
family members who are being treated with radiation and/or chemotherapy.
Jory Graham published a cookbook many years ago (in cooperation with
the American Cancer Society, I think) called "Something has to taste
good" (as I recall).
The cookbook was just what we needed several times when favorite foods
suddenly became "yech".
Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI
| 13sci.med
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In article <C50p1M.21o@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
>
> ok, how about this to argue about. why does the sl2 have a much lower base
> price than the sc2??? it's over 1k cheaper(i forget the exact amount).
> doesn't it cost more to have the extra doors/windows/locks/motors etc. that
> are in the 4 door???? perhaps it is just a marketing deal....people want the
> 2door, so they will pay the extra 1.2k???
The SC1/SC2 has a shorter wheel base than the SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2, just a
thought. Ithink your right though......
--
James Lee @ A.T.& T. Bell Labs
Murray Hill, N.J. 07974
Room 2A-336 201-582-4420
att!conceps!jwl
| 7rec.autos
|
Hi!
I have a 2 meg simm which will fit a Powerbook for sale. It was removed from
my PB100 when I upgraded. I will be willing to sell it for $70 and I will pay
for the shipping.
Please e-mail me if you are interested.
************************
Reply to Donald Lyles *
Internet: dcl@his.com *
************************
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
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whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes,
> I see no other way of interpreting them other than homosexuyality
> being wrong. Please tell me how these verses can be interpreted in
> any other way. I read them and the surrounding text.
But that is exactly what I was asking. If the Homosexual community (is that
the proper term?) has decided that Christianity is not against Homosexual
behaviour but rather condones it then how do they interpret these verses. I
guess what I am really looking for is a "homosexual" response.
Todd...
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with
any local church and are not members of any local church. This is
an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does
the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with
regard to this issue?
|-------------------|
| Gary Chin |
| Staff Engineer |
| Sun Microsystems |
| Mt. View, CA |
| gchin@Eng.Sun.Com |
|-------------------|
| 15soc.religion.christian
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akelley@oracle.uucp (Alyn Kelley) writes:
...<waving policeman, happy policeman, nice policeman>...
> Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon, or am I somehow
>the only one to have been blessed with a cop's good mood? (insert
>mild sarcasm)
>Alyn
>DoD #875
>'92 Seca II
Well, not me. However, I wouldn't trade all the times I've^H^H^H^H a
close friend has been pulled over, cussed and shouted at, and finally
let off with a verbal warning in exchange for a few waves & smiles!
:-) if you like but I'm serious.
Later,
Art "Yes Sir ... No Sir ... Sorry Sir ... Thank you Sir!"
arturo@informix.com
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
>
>This is stupid. Won't it cost more to those companies hoping to
>serve the gov't and private markets if they DON'T use the same
>technology?
>
I would guess that they won't use Clipper at all. What they will
do is use their STU-IIIs amoung themselves and the governmental agencies
they need to talk to, and ignore Clipper. After all, if it's not secure
enough for the agency/department they are communicating with why should
the coprations trust it?
_____________________________________________________________________
\Jeff Hupp |Internet: jhupp@shockwave.win.net \
|9797 Medowglen, Apt. 1807 |Ad: Contract Programming, Novell |
|Houston, Texas 77042 | Network Design and Support. |
|Voice: (713) 780 - 9419 |"The best govenment doesn't" -- me. |
\_____________________________________________________________________\
| 11sci.crypt
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OK, OK, OK. First, my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request, but here goes anyhow:
I'm *very* interested in finding out how I might be able to get two tickets for the All Star game in Baltimore this year. My very aged folks live about 50 miles away and I know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game. I went with them, and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child, to the All Star game in DC many years ago. Although I'm now in the SF Bay Area, I'd *love* to be able to treat my folks to this game; it's absolutely the last chance they'd ever have to attend this g
ame locally.
Any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Mary Cole
mcole@informix.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Hi there,
Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for
C650 regarding fpu? In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650
has the message "fpu: optional". I know from what we've discussed in this
newsgroup that all C650 have the fpu built in except the 4/80
configuration. Why would they be so unclear about this issue in their
price list?
I'm planning to buy the C650 8/230/cd pretty soon, but I'm now getting
confused with whether it comes with fpu or not.
Why say "optional" if it's built in?
Please, anybody help me understand this game.
Regards,
Thian.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
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I'm sure all of you have heard of the extraordiary start by rookie
J.T. Snow of the California Angeles. Other than the fact that his
father was a star receiver with the L.A. Rams and is now a radio
personality in Los Angeles and J.T. came from the Yankees organization
I don't know much about J.T. If anyone has info and background on
the young fenom....please post.
By the way, for those of you not following his exploits he has hit
four home runs in three days. Two last night. He has also delivered
the winning hit a couple of times for the Angeles in this young season.
Thanks...
Michael from USC
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
: The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I
: know he knew I was there.
oh, okay. then in that case it was
attemped vehicular manslaughter.
he definitely wanted to kill you.
all cagers want to kill bikers.
that's the only explanation that
i can think of.
-- hesh
| 8rec.motorcycles
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newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
>i am in the process of buying a new auto. i haven't decided yet whether
>i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new
>auto purchase.
>i know that the "blue book" value for the car is $2825. an acquaintence
>has offered to give me blue book value for the car. i am just wondering
>if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i
>can hope to get more money from someone else. what exactly is blue book
>value based on? i know that for its year (88) my car has low mileage
>(< 50,000). it is in excellent working condition but does have a few
>dings on the exterior (nothing major). do any of these facts alter the
>fair selling p[rice of the car? i am not looking to rip anyone off, i
>just naturally want to get the best price for the car.
>thanks a million,
>veek
I think the Blue Book is the NADA handbook for used car prices, no?
Is the Blue Book value given the retail or wholesale value??? The
Blue Book value isn't set in stone, though. Low milage, extra addons
and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car, you
may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends
Blue Book and read up on that sort of stuff. I paid ~$400 under BB
(retail) for my '87 Civic in 1990, and it was in perfect condition and
had only ~14.5K miles on it. The guy was desparate to sell, new kid on
the way, etc., but it was a good price. Remeber, both you and the
buyer, if he has any sort of brains at all, are using the Blue Book, so
you should pick a fair price.
Chintan Amin
llama@uiuc.edu
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
| 7rec.autos
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epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:
>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:
>[Description of compiling problems deleted.]
>>gcc -fpcc-struct-return -o bmtoa bmtoa.o -O2 -funroll-loops -L../.././lib/Xmu
>>-lXmu -L../.././lib/Xt -L../.././extensions/lib -L../.././lib/X -L/afs/cfa/syste
>>m/sun4c_413/usr/head/lib/X11/X11R5
>>ld: Undefined symbol
>> _XGetVisualInfo
>> _XFree
>> _XInternAtom
>[etc.]
>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although
>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected). You need to force
>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works
>around the linker error. The simplest thing to do is edit each of
>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads:
> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu
>to:
> XMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic
No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS.
It is not relevant for MIT R5. MIT R5 should compile without problems.
Casper
| 5comp.windows.x
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Valerie S. Hammerl (hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr17.062622.25380@news.clarkson.edu> farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) writes:
: >In fact, the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate
: >in Adirondack. In Gm 6 of last yr's finals, an 8 legged creature was
: >hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref
: >Lance Roberts.
: It may have been passed to Toronto, but I've even seen an octopus at
: the Aud -- last year's Bruins-Sabres game. I knew all about the
: Detroit version, but seeing at the Aud was a bit puzzling. :-)
I don't think it's puzzling a bit. It's called "unoriginality".
(no, i'm not bitter :)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu +
+ AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey +
+ Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 +
+ Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 +
+ Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 +
+ AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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In article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil
liam December Starr) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:
>
>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to
>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never
>> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal
>> meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine"
>> cigarettes, pot and heroin.
>
>Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea
>that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply
>decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why
>the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be "bought like cigarettes"
>is "just plain silly." After all, it works just fine for nicotine...
>
Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.
Ryan
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Just a few comments about the feasability of zipping up a bunch of miles
on your electronic odometer with an oscillator....
I wouldn't expect to be able to do this. Not because the engineers at BMW are
putting in anti-fraud logic, but just because an automobile is a noisy, hostile
environment for electronics, and I would expect the software to be conservative.
If I were to design a microprocessor-based odometer/speedometer program,
it would have the following features ( just off the top of my head ):
* Debouncing/deglitching ( Is this a real pulse, or just a glitch? )
* Smoothing: The rate-of-change of speed cannot be too high:
This is a car, not an electron.
* Top speed limit: Anything above 200MPH is ridiculous: must be
electrical noise or contact bounce
As for getting in and presetting the pins: if this is the circuit board out of
a BMW dashboard, I seem to remember a single big chip with lotsa pins in the
middle of the card. Good luck getting at the counter :-).
I wouldn't expect a high input frequency to damage the meter: remember, it's
probably damped so it can't move too fast, and is probably protected. After all,
a car is an extremely hostile place for delicate electronics; there used to be an
app note in the National Semiconductor Linear Databook that went into this
in good detail.
- Jerry Kaidor ( tr2!jerry@dragoman.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com )
- Jerry Kaidor
| 12sci.electronics
|
Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)? While
>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>rid of these? Buff them out? Wax them out?
>help!
Car accessory shops here sell stuff called T-Cut, which is a very fine
cutting paste for paint, and this will remove the dull finish and
minor acratches. It will also remove all the traffic film and stuff that
you probably don't realise is there, and give your paintwork its original
lustre and shine. It can sometimes react badly with metallic paint, though,
so try it out carefully before going to town with the stuff. Afterwards
apply wax polish, and all will be well again.
BTW - don't confuse T-cut with the cutting paste used for grinding in
valves...the principle's the same but the coarseness is vastly different...
Mike
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <C5rLyz.4Mt@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu
(Bill Conner) wrote:
>
> This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality
> as a means of population control, insist that the only values are
> biological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to
> Benedikt, if something is contardictory, it cannot exist, which in
> this case means atheists I suppose.
> I would like to understand how an atheist can object to war (an
> excellent means of controlling population growth), or to capital
> punishment, I'm sorry but the logic escapes me.
> And why just capital punishment, what is being questioned here, the
> propriety of killing or of punishment? What is the basis of the
> ecomplaint?
Bill, ever heard of secular humanism? Please check out what
this stands for, and then revise your statements above.
Cheers,
Kent
---
sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 0alt.atheism
|
I have a certificate for one round-trip airfares to either Acapulco or
Cancun, Mexico.
Expiration date is one year from now.
The maximum retail value, depending on time and location, is estimated at
$1100, including accommodation for 3 days and 2 nights at a leading
hotel. I am asking for $1000 or best offer.
For more information, call Goh at
(415) 497-0663
or send mail to
kmgoh@leland.stanford.edu
--
*******************************************************************************
GOH KWANG MENG
116 ARROYO, WILBUR
P.O.BOX 7029, STANFORD CA 94309
| 6misc.forsale
|
I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with
it. Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has
enough power for me. The only problem I found was a small
selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here.
--
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:
|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it,
|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your
|whining.
|
|Fine.
|
|Fuck off too.
|
|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
|
|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
|and my cousin is still recovering.
|
|No, I can't take back what happened.
|
|Yes, it was stupid.
|
|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.
Hey, man, you brought it up. I agree completely, driving drunk is really
stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it. But
DWI is endemic in our society. It is a REAL problem. And we, as
motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
driver. (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life
of one of the participants, as I reported here.) Also, drunk driving by
motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
against those of us who ride responsibly.
In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
but a genuine safety issue. So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the
consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com) | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
.
Sometimes a god-believer will maintain that atheism is itself
a religion. Many postings to this group have answered that well.
Here's another way to answer the assertion:
Suppose that I DON'T believe that broken mirrors or black cats
bring bad luck. Does that mean that I have a superstition?
.
| 19talk.religion.misc
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In article <yag12B3w165w@anarky.tch.org>
melchar@anarky.tch.org (Melchar) writes:
>
>> [I've read many things like this in the past, yet not quite so
>> blatant a comparison of Christian and Pagan, Roman myth/practice.
>> Is it all historical? How often has Merlin/Myrddin been associated
>> with Roman gods? How often has he been associated with Mithras?
>> Does anyone know where Mithras originated? In Asia? What part?]
>>
>> Thyagi@HouseofKAos.Abyss.com
>
> Mithraic worship predates Xianity but in many ways is similar. It
>was a mystery cult, (worship in which not all the information was
>available to all members: tests had to be passed & at each stage, new
>info was offered to the worshipper [similar to the Masons......in more
>than one way]) -- of Mithras, a sun deity. He was cyclic (went down to
>darkness, was reborn), inspired hope; fought against the darkness; was
>popular and charismatic.......
> The worship originated in Persia & was linked to the Ahura-Mazda
Wow, this is news to me---it started in Tarsus--you know, where Paul
of NT fame was from. Not to be nasty, but get a clue, read
_The Orgins of the Mithraic Mysteries_ by DUlansey!
Hey hasn't anyone read Manly P Hall's works? Perhaps it might be
worth a try....
>cults. For a while it threatened to eclipse Xianity -- however it
>suffered from ONE fatal flaw: it only accepted free men as members.
> Xianity took women and slaves and......anyone it could get
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rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:
>Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you:
>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.
>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:
> -) multi-screen
> -) multi-headed
> -) multi-display
> -) X-Server zaphod mode
>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle
>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?
>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one
>screen/display to another.
>Any hints welcome.
>Thanks, rainer.
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As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit
would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the
server.
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In article <1993Apr19.214300.17989@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes:
|> (Brad Hernlem writes:
|>
|>
|> >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli
|> >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the "retaliatory"
|> >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My "team",
|> >you see, was "playing fair" while the opposing team was rearranging the
|> >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak.
|>
|> >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on
|> >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori
|> >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in
|> >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the
|> >Lebanese terrorists.
|>
|> If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the
|> issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. [...]
|>
|> Dorin
Dorin, of all the criticism of my post expressed on t.p.m., this one I accept.
I regret that aspect of my post. It is my hope that the occupation will end (and
the accompanying loss of life) but I believe that stiff resistance can help to
achieve that end. Despite what some have said on t.p.m., I think that there is
a point when losses are unacceptable. The strategy drove U.S. troops out of
Lebanon, at least.
Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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In article 120399@netnews.upenn.edu, sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) writes:
>
>And now, the not so pleasant surprises:
>
> 2)Tartabull. The book on Tartabull was, keep him healthy and
> he'll produce. Well, he hasn't done too much so far. Sure. he's
> hit a few homers, but those were all solo shots, and he hasn't
> gotten any of the "big" RBIs that your cleanup man is supposed
> to give you. Then again, he had a slow start last year (once he
> got off the DL, that is) and turned into a one-man wrecking crew
>See you in the Series!
>
>-Alan
Let's see... April 15th... less than 30 at bats.... and you claim that he
hasn't done too much so far!
Cut this guy some slack. Danny will produce this year. It's scary to think
just how much he'll produce if he were to stay healthy all year.
The Yanks have a lot going for them this year: good starting rotation, good
bullpen, good defense and a good lineup. Also, I like Buck Showalter. Frank
Howard on 1st is also a good move. Everything sounds good so far.
If the Yanks stay healthy, they have a good chance at winning the pennant. This
is the most fun I've had watching the Yanks since "78!
-Bobby
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Has David Wells landed with a team yet? I'd think the Tigers with their
anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto!
DC
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angel@Foghorn_Leghorn.coe.northeastern.edu (Kirill Shklovsky) writes:
>In article <1993Apr26.104320.10398@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) writes:
>I heard somewhere (can't name the source) that TEMPEST does not necessarily
>pick-up just CRTs, but it can pick up emissions from almost any chip. If
>that is true, the kind monitor would not make any difference becuase everything
>on the screen can be picked-up from the video controller. Can anybody verify
>or refute this?
Anything can be an emissions problem, right down to the video cable. Given
the right equipment, you can pick the screen paint from the cable. But,
given any cable, you must know what is being sent through it to know the
format of the signal, as well as how many wires, etc.
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In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes:
|> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the
|> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's
|> Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before
|> the raid.
The briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a
similar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the
raid, if recent TV coverage can be believed.
|> This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property;
|> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.
The Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he
released, which lambasted the Sheriff's Office.
Too bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn't take a few
goose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him.
--
Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to
do nothing." -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
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Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the
local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing
David Brinkley at 12:30 instead of an earlier time slot. I don't
even understand their problem. If they didnt think enough people would
not watch the game why would they decide to show most of the game? And
if they showed the remaining 2.5 hours of the game, would it hurt to play
David Brinkley at its regular time? They dont have any decent programming
before noon anyway. I called the sports dept and blasted them on their
machine. I called gain and someone picked it up. When I asked him why they
premepted the first half hour of the Stanley Cup playoffs, he seemed a bit
confused. When I explained a bit more in detail, he then said that's upto
to our programming dept. call back on Monday. weel, I understand that the
sports dept is not responsible for this preemption. BUt I can't understand
how someone in the sports dept. can't even recognise the name of playoffs
shown on the very same station he works for.
Anyway, I am going to call them tomorrow and blast them on the phone again.
I urge all Atlanta hockey fans to call WSB 2 and ask them not to do the
same thing for the next 4 weeks.
-Pravin Ratnam(Oh by the way, Pens rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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In article <4949@eastman.UUCP> dps@nasa.kodak.com writes:
>Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see
>that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".
Why don't you cite the passages so that we can focus on some to discuss.
Then, following Jesus, you can make fools of us and our "logic".
> If you rely simply on your reason then you will never
>know more than you do now.
Indeed, if you can justifiably make this assertion, you must be a
genius in logic and making fools of us should be that much easier.
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In article <19APR93.22304462.0062@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B8HA) writes:
>So nice of you all to answer some questions. And it so nice that most
>of you feel that it would be in your hearts to give the Palestinians
>some land - most of you focus on the fact that Israel annexed all
>this land and it is a kind gesture to give some of it back. Well,
>I hope that after after a state run by Palestinians is established,
>the first decision should be to make Jerusalem part of this state -
>by annexing it of course.
>
>Steve
Israel has not annexed any of the West Bank, just Jeruselum. Which
will remain part of Israel forever!
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Adam Benson
Mt. Pearl, NF
adamb@garfield.cs.mun.ca
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
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In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>(Sorry, I lost the attributions.
>>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial
>>|responsibility, which usually means insurance.
>>
>>Required how? When they get pulled over? Most drivers, bellyaching on the
>>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked. The laws are enforceable
>>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money.
>
>Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In
>Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have
>to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker).
Yes. Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car
is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car.
That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing
systems.
>You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province
>agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in
>the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad
Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket
or a clerical error on a computer follow you around. The City of Chicago
(the informal motto of which being "The City the Works") issues dozens
of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire)
in the city.
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Hi Xperts!
I have a Sparc-1 with very limited disk space on /usr partition.
previously, i was able to run all x-windows applications and then
i upgraded my system to sun o.s. 4.1.3 and realized that , the hard
disk did not have enough space to load openwindows. My immediate alternative
was to load only the neccessary files to boot the system. This resulted in
not loading openwindows. As a result of which none of the X-libraries got loaded.
I am trying to load just the libraries and include files and bin/X11 files
required for running X-windows and compiling my programs written for Xlib and Xaw.
In a desperate effort to regain x-windows, i retrieved /usr/lib/libX*.* files from
the tape . /usr/bin/X11/* and /usr/include/X11/* . Is this enough for running X-windows
BUt i did not get /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ sub directories . these are mainly 100dpi, 75dpi
and misc.
when i run xinit, the error message says /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc are not in the
default path. But the problem is i cannot load any of those directories as there is no
disk space.
Are there any temporary suggestions before I get a 1.5 GB disk and load openwindows , to
just have my x-windows running.
Thanks
Pramod
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.04.1993.28376@athos.rutgers.edu>,
mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>
> In article <Apr.12.03.44.17.1993.18833@athos.rutgers.edu>
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
> >
> > I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do
> >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a
> >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior
> >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were "living in the
> >last days" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods
> >anyway?
>
> I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it.
> It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows
> when the second coming will take place.
>
> --
> :- Michael A. Covington
I do recall Watt making a comment to this effect, though it was quite a few
years back and I can't cite the specifics. I also recall that Cecil Andrus, who
was Secretary of the Interior during the Carter Administration, responded
to Watt's comments by pointing out the stewardship role that God gave
to man, as recorded in Genesis. Which makes me wonder: who are the
true conservatives? It seems to me that a *conservative* should want to
*conserve* things of value for long-term societal benefit. This form of
*conservation* should logically extend to the physical environment in
which people live, as well as the moral environment in which they relate
to one another and to God.
IMHO, Watt's stewardship status is not enhanced by the fact that he served
on the board of directors for Jim Bakker's organization, during a time in
which Bakker committed criminal acts which eventually landed Bakker
in federal prison.
Bob
rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu
Just another Baptist...
| 15soc.religion.christian
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aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber) writes:
>>Ever notice that people in these cases are always described by clever
>>handles such as "eccentric", "religious wackos", "gun nuts", "cultists",
>>"survivalists", etc. so the general public will *not* identify with them?
The San Jose Mercury News described him as "a 61-year old retired
chemical engineer".
John Nagle
| 16talk.politics.guns
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To: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
From: anthony.landreneau.ozonehole.com
AR>>To answer your question above, why should people who are
AR>>responsible pay for the irresponsible acts of others? One
AR>Don't understand the concept of insurance, do you Anthony?
On the contrary my friend.
AR>What is insurance for?
AR>To spread the cost of illness/accident/etc that does occur in a small
AR>percentage of cases, over many. Those who do not face the accident/etc
AR>have peace of mind that they would not be devestated if they did, those
AR>who do face the accident/etc *are* not devestated (financially anyhow)
AR>in dealing with it.
Insurance is usally taken out buy the people who engage in the action
for which insurance might be used. Would you ask a person who does not
drive to pay automobile insurance? Or a person who doesn't believe that
medicine is worth the time to by health insurance?
It is a pool of people who share a similer fear.
AR>This 'irresponsible' label in reference to normal but rare life occurances i
AR>stupid. Bad things happen to good people, too, you know.
Adrienne, when you act to endander yourself or
others, knowing that someone else may be burdened for your action is
irresponsible.
Anthony
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Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
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-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?
Also
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-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?
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Thanks a lot.
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| 8rec.motorcycles
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Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of
game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock?
Gimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from?
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Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores!
The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder!
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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