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### Human: All understandable so it's all sorted. | ### Assistant: But yeah, I didn't see the need to have court in with this because this just makes it harder. And we can't sort of-- and the idea of being 16 was to pick our own-- was to pick my own days. So I could spend a week or a whole fortnight with dad or a whole fortnight with mom. Or I'd see mom once, and then I'd see dad the rest. Or I'd see dad once. So it was sort of pick my days. So depending on my feeling. So if I was getting angry with mom and I'm angry, I'm going to go to dad's witho | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So it got quite complicated. | ### Assistant: --to be able to go-- I was going to do it week on, week off, as far as what I was going to do. But let's say that I was angry with mom, and I maybe had only see her three days. Then, I'd spend the rest with dad. It was sort of to pick my own days depending on how I feel. And then, I can go to dad's. I'll say, "Look, I'm going to go to dad's tonight. I don't exactly feel like being with you, mom, either." She can't control me in that way. the court say you can't do that. So she' | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And do you think that works as a good option? I'm angry at mom, and I go somewhere else. Does that help the situation, or--? | ### Assistant: Yeah. So sort of to give-- well, sort of to give space. Because there's sometimes when mom's being unbearable, and you're sitting here, "Well, I can't go anywhere else." I don't want to feel like that where I can't go anywhere else. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And you feel just all other options out there that if you're with mom you can't talk it through or you have space in your own room? This is just me wondering. Are there other options that you can do? Or is it the only option you feel at the moment is that I need to go to dad's if I'm angry at mom's and vice versa? | ### Assistant: Well, it's sort of the fact that I can pick how long I want to stay at mom's house, how long I want to stay at dad's. And because of the fact that it's getting hard to live with mom, it was to sort of have that time away. And the fact that if I didn't want to be at mom's, I could go. Or if I don't want to be at yours tonight, I'm going to go to dad's instead of mom going, "No, you can't." That sort of thing. It's sort of not asking her to go there, it's the fact that I could choose | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And is that what's been the hardest, that you don't feel you have a choice in things? | ### Assistant: Yeah. Well, dad's idea of what he said is the fact that he doesn't care if we don't want to go to dad's one day, and court said that we had to be there, he's not going to-- he's not going to fuss, and mom doesn't care. But it's the fact that when it's the other way around, if we don't want to spend a day at mom's, she's like "Oh, no." | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So it's like-- | ### Assistant: So she sees is a different-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --a double standard, in a way. | ### Assistant: Yeah. It's the fact that she's willing to have us-- she goes, "If you don't want to go to your dad's. It's cool. You can stay here." Dad says the same. But when it's the other way around, and we don't want to stay with her or go that day with her, and we want to, yeah, we want to have that-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So that would be really confusing if you can do it one way but not the other way. | ### Assistant: Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. That's making more sense, now. | ### Assistant: So that's where I was sort of going, the fact that if I didn't want to go to mom's, mom can't, "Oh, no. You have to do it because the court said this." So I'm like, "No, you can't." She can't use court against us. So if we want to go to dad's, mom can't go, "Well, court says this." She can't. It's the fact that we can go, instead of asking, "Mom, can we go to dad's?" Because it's whatever and whenever. And she never let us do that. But if we had the control, and go, "Look, mom, Wednesday I | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what is that about, do you feel, that it frustrates you that mom says, "Court says this. And we've got the court?" What do you think? | ### Assistant: Well, it's the fact that-- I don't see the point in this. Because when we get-- because this is all just temporary. We only got two more years, and then we can decide wherever we want to, how long we want to go. So in those two short years, and the fact that all this work from when we were, and I think it's been two years or something like that, it's the fact that all this hard work and mom trying to control where we go, so it's just going to be if it doesn't not happen . | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what if--? | ### Assistant: --it means that the fact that-- yeah. I don't see any point in it. Because it should be-- because mom's always gone on it's all about you spent and making us happier sort of thing, and that's what she's been all along. But having this court thing has made us unhappier because we don't have the freedom and choice to do that sort of thing. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And why do you think it is that mom's holding onto the court and wanting that to be--? | ### Assistant: Because she knows that we don't enjoy having her there, and that means that no one can take us away if she has court-- if she has the court say. Because she knows that we're not exactly happy to be there. She knows that we'd prefer to be at dad's. So having courts means that if we go against them, dad gets pulled for it. So we're more likely to stay there to follow court rules. But if we don't have it there, if we want it to-- if we wanted to be at dad's more, we can do that. And she can't | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And how long has it been that you haven't liked being there? Because it wasn't like that at the start of the year. | ### Assistant: Well, last year, at the start, it was sort of like the fact that-- when it all started, it was all sort of dad's fault. It was dad's fault that dad's done this, dad's done that. I'm totally innocent in this. And as it's gone on, we've sort of learned the fact that mom can't let go of the fact of what she knew of dad, which means every single time we go there, just the fact that she knows that-- she sort of thinks that everything we're angry at with mom is dad's problem. It's dad's fault bec | ### Assistant: |
### Human: June, July. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Sort of thing. I sort of started to realize the fact that mom would say something, and that's what I believed. Because at the start, it was sort of the fact that because mom had decided to move away for months, and that sort of thing-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that was just before I met you this had happened. Yep. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And that was sort of the fact of, oh, geez, you want to-- because I wanted to it with him, and that was the whole thing was the fact that it was sort of like I'm not 100% sure if I want to be at mom's. I still wanted to see mom at that stage. It's still like I wasn't 100% sure. And I said to him, "We'll just wait and see." And he did it because he needed to get away. And it sort of-- and I'm like, "Oh." Sort of took that on the chin sort of thing. And the fact that it was sort | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah, you're making sense. | ### Assistant: I decided to sort of instead of believing what was first said to me, sort of taking time to think about it. And I sort of realized after the fact that dad wasn't as bad as I thought he was. Dad wasn't only responsible. Mom had some things that dad didn't like. And the fact that dad couldn't live with those sort of things and decided that himself. And I learned more about why dad left. Because what mom thought of dad leaving was just one. And it was sort of multiple reasons why dad left, | ### Assistant: |
### Human: We can call her back. That's all good. | ### Assistant: Yeah, that's what mom had-- I forgot, we weren't through the whole thing. So I'm going to have to say that sort of stuff. So mom-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: But if you ever want to talk about it and go into it again, totally fine, too. | ### Assistant: Yeah. That's what mom thought, that dad left for college. But ended up it wasn't true. And I sort of started to figure out the fact that mom was doing it for her own relief. That was also making me unhappy. And when dad came back, he was unhappy. And sort of I spoke to him more about it, why he was unhappy. And he spoke to me more about it, things that he didn't like about mom anymore. And mom and dad went through a very long period of time where they would const | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's what you were saying last time. | ### Assistant: And that's what she thinks. And so one idea of what she thinks of dad, and that's all she thinks about. She just adds things onto it. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And I'm hearing, from what you're saying, your mom's quite stuck in those thoughts-- | ### Assistant: In that. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --and is really hard to step out and see how things can work out for the four of you. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And I sort of the-- I thought that her moving out of the house, moving on in life would sort of get her further away from it. But as we're getting close to the fact that mom's putting the house up and doing the house, she's gotten better in some ways. But the fact that she's also gotten-- I sort of feel like she's pushing us aside because she's focused on that because that's what's going to make her happiest is going to do this, and that, and that, and that. And the fact that she s | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. That sounds right because you're not too far from being 16. | ### Assistant: Yeah. Because we were at home for, I think, a year or maybe something. I think seven or eight months. So we spent most of our life in that house. So it's just as much as that house to us as it is to them. But mom doesn't see that is that that's grownup stuff that we don't need to know that because we're coming more grownup, I see the fact that we need to know more about. Because we're obviously going to find out. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And maybe that's where mom is at, I'm wondering, at the moment, trying to figure out you're turning into a grownup, what can she do and what does it look like. Because you're not-- | ### Assistant: The fact that she says she's trying to protect us, but I sort of say the fact that if it's about dad, we're always going to find out. Because there's people in the streets that see it, there's people that know dad. It's always going to come back to us. So mom not saying it, we eventually find out anyways. And dad is honest. he makes dad be honest with us. So if he's done something wrong, or if he's done this to mom, or he's said this to mom, he expects dad to say to us becau | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that would be really confusing having two parents explaining things differently. | ### Assistant: And around about Christmas, I sort of saw the real side of-- I guess, not the real side of, one side of mom was the fact that she was sort of in one way trying to compete what dad had gotten us that was sort of-- when we told mom-- she'd ask out of being polite, "What did you get for Christmas from dad?" And we'd tell her, she wouldn't listen because she doesn't want to hear that. It's she doesn't care what dad's gotten us. She wants to compete with that. And that's what mom has said at the | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And it might be for mom to sit there and slowly be more comfortable. Because obviously, you are going to enjoy your time at dad's. And for her to sit with it and feel more comfortable. | ### Assistant: And we've had cousins who have gone through it. And we spoke to our cousins' mom about it. And she says she's sort of grown to it because they've been separated for years. So our cousins sort of said it's all in good time it happens. But it takes a long time. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And it sounds like it's been really hard for your mom. Like you said , and to be okay with what's happened. | ### Assistant: And they also said that it pushed them further away from their mom and brought them towards their dad. But then, sort of after , because they were so young. They couldn't get away. It was the fact that that's what had been set, and that's what happens, and the fact that, I guess, that's what-- sorry. It's just that-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: No, you're all right. How's it been talking about this? Has it been helpful? | ### Assistant: Yeah. Yeah. So that's what-- I'm trying to find the right word for it. Yeah. That's sort of because they were so young, they had no escape of it. And they said that as they're getting older, they sort of get that escape of it. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And I'm hearing that you're feeling for you it's important that you have some more choice in what's going on. | ### Assistant: Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And thank you for sharing what it was like for you so I have a better understanding. | ### Assistant: Yeah. Because it was really mentally hard on me. And the fact that I sort of pushed away from school, and my anger, obviously. I was bottling everything up. And then, I had no way to express it-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: no. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --except the fact that there would be one thing that pushed me over the edge, and I'd get violent. And then, it got to the stage where I got extremely violent, and I could have possibly seriously hurt someone. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what's changed, now? Because you haven't been violent the whole time. | ### Assistant: That sort of being able to talk like this, sort of moving on and finding more ways, more happy places, more places where I'm actually happy. And I sort of found out the fact that every time we do go back to mom's, it's sort of the fact that mom expects-- because mom doesn't treat us like adults. She wants us to be like adults. And she puts so much stuff onto us, yet she has it-- so she puts stuff on us that we have to do, and she expects us to do it like adults. But she doesn't want to trea | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So that was that responsibility, independence. | ### Assistant: Mom has a high expectation for us. But the fact she doesn't want us-- she wants us to act like adults, and she has a high expectation of, but she doesn't treat us like adults either. So this gap between what she expects of us and what she actually sets us is very big. So when we do something that's here, mom goes, "It's not good enough. We need to be here." So it sort of makes it hard for us because there's that gap between what she actually sets and what we do . the | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yep. And is that stuff we can talk about more next time, do you think? | ### Assistant: Yeah. So it's just basically what-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. So what's brought you, in some aspects, to come here, and what it was like before we started talking? | ### Assistant: And why I want to spend more time with dad is the fact that, and mom still does it, recently mom put up a post of the fact about what had gone on with dad. Because mom can put up in as detail as she wants because she knows we're not going to see it because we've already blocked her. So in her way, she wants us to be friends with her on Facebook again. But it was our way of saying the fact that we don't want to be friends on Facebook with you because we are-- so it was sort of in a way b | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It's confusing, it sounds. And before we finish up, just to check in on how's your sleep been? | ### Assistant: Yeah, good. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Good. Because we focused a lot about sleep in lots of our sessions. Just wanted to check in because you said it was really good last week. | ### Assistant: Yeah. It hasn't really changed. I went to bed at 11:30 tonight. Let's hope that's tonight. Last night. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: We're in the future. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I'm going out this time tonight. Yeah. Just went to bed at 11:30 last night, and I'm perfectly fine. It sort of varies-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's good to hear. | ### Assistant: --just the fact that because I had a massive sleep ##over Saturday night. Just goes away. Sort of throws me off. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: The shadows and the noises, are they happening? | ### Assistant: Not really. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's good to hear. | ### Assistant: I obviously think, because I'm a bit happier, it may be because of the fact that-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: We wrote it. | ### Assistant: --it might have been. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: I grabbed the paper from last time. I really liked how you worded it. It was, I think, so if there's things on your mind, those shadows and noises increase. So I'm more happier at the moment. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I guess, when I'm happier, I honestly think the fact that because of all these shadows is when I'm unhappy with the stuff that's going on. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that's really common that that can happen when we're feeling more stressed, we're more sensitive to these things and notice them. So that's good to hear that you can recognize where you're at. And if you see the noises or the shadows, we can talk it through to help you feel less stressed. | ### Assistant: Obviously, I hate being scared because I'm easily scared and that sort of stuff. But it's the fact that at night, it was the fact of seeing the shadows, and it was just a silhouette of a person, and it was just-- and ever since I got back from being scared and alone, I sort of just saw that fact that I don't see them at all at the moment because I'm going to sleep, it's easy to go to sleep. That sort of thing. So it's, I think, the happier I am, I don't see the shadows beca | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that sounds like that's really helpful for you to be aware of where am I at. | ### Assistant: So I have bad sleep, and I see shadows . I was unhappy, or I was very anxious. That sort of stuff. Because I go to sleep, now, not having anything on my mind. Just going, "Fresh day tomorrow." That sort of thing. It's sort of I don't have the-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And if you did see the shadow or noise, do you remember the plan we came up with? | ### Assistant: It was turn over. If it happen again, say absolutely nothing. If it happens again, actually try to get up and investigate it. That sort of thing. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That sounds like-- | ### Assistant: Just reassurance. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. And it sounds like we haven't really needed to do that because you've been feeling a lot happier. But good to have the plan in place because if it does happen again, you've got some strategies in place. How does that sounds? And it's good-- | ### Assistant: Good. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --to hear that you're happier. And next time we can talk more about mom, and you're feeling more independent, and the responsibilities to get a better idea. Work on that if you like. | ### Assistant: Yep. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That sound good? | ### Assistant: Sweet. And we got the other session in-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So you're seeing me-- I'm going to be away for the next four weeks, and you'll see me the week after I'm back on the Tuesday at 9:00. And you're seeing Dr. johnson next week on the 16th I think it is. So that'll be next Wednesday. The 16th is Wednesday at 4 o'clock, I think it was. | ### Assistant: Yeah. yeah. Yeah. I knew it was on a Wednesday or something. I can't remember. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: There's too many things. I will turn this off. | ### Assistant: Two session seven, RV, first of the eighth. .. How have you been since-- it was two weeks ago? | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Two session seven, RV, first of the eighth. .. How have you been since-- it was two weeks ago? | ### Assistant: Yeah. Yeah. Pretty well. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: How's school? | ### Assistant: Yeah. Good. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Good. And new friends because you said last time there was some new people you were hanging out with. How are they? | ### Assistant: Good. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Good. Same old. Yeah. What would you like to focus on today? | ### Assistant: I'm not really sure to be honest. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Totally all good. We'd spoken about sleep in the family session last time. Did you want to focus on either of them first? | ### Assistant: Don't really know. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Your choice. Or something-- | ### Assistant: min. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --else. That's fine too. | ### Assistant: I have no idea whatsoever. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Whatsoever. Did you want to start with sleep because I know I've got that here? Do you remember what we'd spoken about last time? How is your memory? | ### Assistant: Not exactly. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: What was our plan around if you heard a noise at night? Do you remember that? There were three things you were going to do. | ### Assistant: Oh, that's right. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: I know it's in the back of the brain there. In a memory there. | ### Assistant: I decided to myself that it was nothing, and if I still wasn't 100% sure, see if I can find the courage to get up. And if I-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And there was one in between the two. | ### Assistant: The first one was turning over. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yes. Good memory. How did you go with them? How has sleep been? | ### Assistant: I haven't really done it as much because I'm starting to fall asleep now a lot earlier. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So tell me about that. What time are you going to sleep? Because last time you were adjusting to the time zone, so you were saying sleep was pretty easy. | ### Assistant: At the moment I start falling to bed at around about 10:30. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And falling asleep at 10:30. That's amazing. That's a huge difference from-- I think when I first, first met you it was like 3:00 AM you couldn't fall asleep till. What do you think's changed? | ### Assistant: I don't know to be honest. I really have no idea. It might have been the weeks away because I don't even really know what caused me to have all of the-- yeah. To have all of these problems with sleeping. So I don't really know what happened. I found that I've been a lot more tired. Falling asleep around about 10:30ish now for the past three weeks. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Past three weeks. | ### Assistant: What? | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Any-- | ### Assistant: Sorry. Past week and a half or something like that. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: 1.5, yeah, weeks. And has it been that you're hearing things or seeing the shadow? Because last time you were talking about the nightlight, and you can turn that off. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I haven't really been seeing a lot of things in my room, and I haven't really been hearing things either. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what do you think that's about? | ### Assistant: I don't really know. So I've been normally going to bed at around about-- well, going into my room around about 10 o'clock, and I haven't. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Around 10:00 PM. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And I have found out really, you should fall asleep. I haven't heard any noises, seen anything. Yeah. I'm not 100% sure why. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Are you feeling-- | ### Assistant: Maybe because I've got a clear head. I don't know. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. And what is it about that you feel you've got a clear head? | ### Assistant: I don't know. It just feels like-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's a good thing. I'm just-- | ### Assistant: --there's nothing on my mind. Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Nothing on my mind. Yeah. That's what I'm hearing. Okay. I'll draw another piece of paper, such is my scribbles. So when you're increased feeling, stressed, or things on your mind, yeah? On your mind. Then that increases noises. Is that a-- I hear a yeah. Yeah? | ### Assistant: hours. The past week and a half, nothing's been really on my mind. So I can sleep. Wake up the next day. Go back to school. I've been enjoying school a lot more. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's a huge difference because even two months ago you were like, "I'm not really enjoying it." What's made school-- | ### Assistant: I think the fact that I'm now-- next year I'm doing it. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Wow. What's made that decision ?-- | ### Assistant: I guess the fact that I-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --for next year? | ### Assistant: --don't like the whole idea of going to university or just doing-- I sort of learn a lot more practically. So if you put something in front of me, and it was a drawing or something like that, I'd more likely be able to understand that. If you just wrote it on the board or something like that. And I've sort of picked things up by watching people do them or doing it myself. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. So you're a more hands-on kind of person. | ### Assistant: And Mom said I've always been like that, and it's only recently that my math-- I'm enjoying my math because it's a more hands-on, more practical side of things. And now with this, I'm not just sitting in a classroom all the time. I'm actually getting outside, doing trade school on one day of the week. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Is that next year, or is this-- | ### Assistant: This is next year. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Next year. So just checking because you haven't done anything, you being in the usual school. Does your school do the same? You're going to look at me blankly and go what-- | ### Assistant: I think they do. I think they do because there's a few kids that are doing well this year. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. And so what trade will you do, or you're thinking? | ### Assistant: I'm doing certificate two in plumbing, pre-apprenticeship. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Certificate two plumbing. I'm writing it down so that I can memorize it because my way of remembering things is I write it down, it goes more in my brain. That's why you'll see me write a bit because it helps me remember. What's the choice of plumbing? | ### Assistant: Well, I did go through-- well, I didn't go through-- I went through a very long time of-- my mom's always been a nurse, and my dad was a nurse. And when we were born, he decided to change because they needed flexible time, so. Because Mom and Dad were both waking up extremely early. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So they were doing shift work. | ### Assistant: And Mom was doing nights. So Dad went out and did his-- his job was just building at this stage. When we were born, Mom would stay home with us when we were newborn, and then Dad would come home, Mom would go off and work nights at the local Hospital. So we've grown up with Mom being a nurse and Dad always being a builder. A carpenter. So dad and I were both very set on becoming carpenters or builders. Anything to do with wood because that's what we've grown up around. We've grow | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And why plumbing or the sparkie or carpentry? What is it that-- | ### Assistant: I don't know. I found it just that bit more interesting, and obviously, I wanted to sit and look at something different. Obviously, it goes plumbing, carpentry, sparkie on that side of things. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. Because I'm hearing bricklayer wouldn't be for you because it would be quite routine. Doing the same thing, yeah? | ### Assistant: So it sort of-- and so yeah, Dad told me to go out, look at some different things, that sort of thing, and I sort of looked at plumbing, and I saw it is sort of interesting. "Oh, what's that about?" And I was speaking to one of the people that-- because our school had some people come out and talk to us about some jobs, and sort of spoke to me about it, and sort of I found it interesting, and all the stuff you can do. In fact you can do gutters, sewage, fire sprinklers, normal household plum | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And this is certificate three. Is that-- | ### Assistant: So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: --the one you're doing next year, is that right, or is it the one-- | ### Assistant: Next year it'll be certificate two. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Certificate two. Yeah. I did write two there, see? I wrote it down and didn't go into the memory. | ### Assistant: Yeah. So I'll be doing certificate two pre-apprenticeship-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Pre-apprenticeship. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --next year, and I'm pretty sure-- yeah. Sorry. Next year's year 11. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Next year's year 11. You have got it right. | ### Assistant: Year 12 I think we do two again. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Finish it off or so. Is it over two years? | ### Assistant: I think it's a two-year course. And then I can go off to london to get a certificate three. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Which is? Which is it? - that does it here, or is it-- | ### Assistant: There's Melbourne Polytechnic. So they have one in Preston, Bundoora. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: There's another one somewhere. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Somewhere else. And you can go off and get a certificate three, and that's what most employers expect. So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's the standard. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. That's the standard. So if someone was certificate two, and you're certificate three, you'd get looked at over them because they see you have more experience. So yeah, I think it's two-year. So I'd do the certificate two in plumbing over the two years until I finish year 12, and then I can go off, and I can do step three, step four, step five, and that's it. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Five or is to six, you said? You said five. | ### Assistant: I think it only goes up to-- I think it's five. Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Five. I think it's five years. Good job with the math. | ### Assistant: Yeah. So it goes all the way up to certificate five. So I can do certificate-- I think there's only four-month courses, and extremely-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Oh, so it's not very long. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --quick compared to other jobs. I was so like, "Oh, I don't want to sit in--" because my cousin's doing nursing, and she's-- doesn't go in a lot, and it's mostly online, but she's doing it-- I think it's a two-year course. And my cousin did ag science, and he did-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Agriculture science. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --three years. And I also had four kids that have gone into university. So four cousins that have gone into university. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. I'm like, "Four kids. Yeah." | ### Assistant: So one's doing forensic science, and she's only just gone to uni. And also one that's done stuff to do with genes and-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Genetics. | ### Assistant: Genetics. Yeah. | ### Assistant: |