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### Human: Is there a middle ground do you think you can come up with that? Because I think that'll be good for her to know something important to you is to be more independent. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I don't really know to be honest. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And maybe that's why we need Mom in the room to go, "Well, what is okay?" What isn't okay to Mom? What can she find as a middle ground? | ### Assistant: The other side of it is the fact that I don't exactly want to be in there with Mom. That's the other side of it, yeah, if we were to have it, but I don't exactly want to be in there when it happens. Yeah. Mom goes in, and then she comes in and speaks to us, and then goes back in. Swap in and out and that sort of thing. But I don't exactly want to be in there with Mom. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And it's your choice if you want to have the session. As I said last time, I'm not forcing you, that you need to go or whatnot. That opportunity is there. If you don't want to do it, that's okay too. And I didn't mention last time because I know it's you and me because I could sit in with you also, but then I know he doesn't have someone else sitting in with him. So I wasn't sure what you would think about that too because I want it to be even for both of you too. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I guess I'm going to speak to dad about it, and I know he's probably going to go no, but I'll speak to him anyway. And I reckon at a later stage it would be a lot easier, like I said because when we had that bit of freedom, where the fact that we can go between houses, and if Mom doesn't like it, she's not exactly going to get looked at at court. That's the thing that I want Mom to get out of her head, that if we want to do something, if we want to stay at Dad's for that sort of | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And I'm hearing-- | ### Assistant: --and a half. The fact that she's relied on court has been the fact-- you can't just buy court orders. When something's put in-- something. Something is put in-- my tongue's getting a bit lazy. It's been like this all day. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: You're right. End of the day. | ### Assistant: It's slurry. My voice gets extremely slurry when it gets to the end of the day. In the morning and close to the end of the day. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: You've been good when we've had other afternoon appointments. | ### Assistant: Yeah. It's just I have no idea why, but the past few weeks I've had an extremely slurry voice. It's-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: I wonder what that's about. | ### Assistant: I have no idea. It's just I can't find the words. Anyway. So it's just I wanted to stop relying-- the fact that, yeah, because as a citizen of Australia, you can't really disobey the court orders because you're here and the court's there. So they're higher, and the waiver they put in place is-- obviously, you have to obey it, like you have to pay a parking fine. You have to pay a speeding ticket. You have to do this. If you kill someone, that's your sentence. You have to do it. So I sort of | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And it could be a good idea to speak about it sooner, so you know this is what I'm thinking. How we can we find that middle ground? And I know that's a really hard thing to do with Mom, and if you're feeling it's something you want the two of us with Mom to say in the future, we can do that too because I want to work with you. I don't want you to feel I'm telling you what to do because you are an independent young man, and that's so important to you, to be independent. And if you ever feel I | ### Assistant: | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Would it be better to do it a little bit sooner, so Mom has a bit of a heads-up too? Your choice. | ### Assistant: I was sort of aiming to do it before January. Our birthday's on the way. So she at least has-- I was going to say something. Then I lost it again. Second time. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So you can kind of-- get back together? | ### Assistant: So she has that time to sort of say, "All right. Well, instead of doing this or--" Because I know if we say it now, I know she's going to-- I know exactly what she's going to do, and she's going to go straight to court with it, and I just fear the fact that the courts will stop us from doing it. That's why I don't want-- I want to give her enough time to comprehend it, but not enough time to organize something to go with court because I know that she-- now, she may not or she may, but I don' | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So I'm hearing you'd like something to be put in place without the courts involved. | ### Assistant: Yes. So I see the fact that giving her notice, but not enough for her to make action to it. If that sort of makes sense. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah, no. That makes sense. | ### Assistant: So she has time to think on it like, "I don't want them to, so what can I do?" or, "We can talk." So we can maybe talk for two or three days. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: We-- | ### Assistant: But also, the other thing is the fact that I don't want her parents to be there - so her nana and granddad - because that's also-- the fact that they side with her because obviously, that's their-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It's their daughter. Yeah. | ### Assistant: That's their daughter. So they're going to say also sort of like, "Well, Mom's doing the best for it," and like I said, she is probably doing the best, but in our eyes, and especially in mine-- I know that , on the same page. To us it feels like she isn't trying hard enough, and they're going to see-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: What would you like her to do? What would her trying hard enough look like for you? | ### Assistant: The biggest part of her trying her hardest is giving us a bit of independence to do whatever. To jump between houses. So let's say I had my football stuff at Dad's, and I have it there as well. I had my football stuff at Dad's, and I texted her and said, "Look. I was planning on going back to Dad's. I was going to get changed there, walk to football training," because it's literally only a two-minute walk. " over the road, "and go to football training, and you can take me hom | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. And I'm hearing-- | ### Assistant: And Mom didn't see that as-- Mom saw that as me going there and spending more time with Dad, which she doesn't like, when she's meant to have us. So she went, "No," and the fact that she would drop me-- she dropped me off there, go and grab my stuff, go back, get changed, and then I could relax at home, and I wasn't relaxed because I was agitated. The fact that Mom didn't let me do it, and that there was no-- I didn't see it as being practical. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. What I'm hearing from Mom's point of view, "It's my day with you. I want to have as much time with you." | ### Assistant: To Mom, that was a good idea, but that was her idea, so she stuck with it, and that's, again, going back to the fact that that's how Mom's brain works. And I saw that as not very practical. Saves Mom less time, and saves me less mucking around because obviously, if let's say, I had forgotten something, I'd have to then go back and get it. So if I would have been there, I could spend time to go, "All right. This is what I need. This is what I need." But Mom said no. In and out. Two minutes th | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So I'm hearing what you'd like is for Mom to be a little bit calmer around-- sometimes things don't go to plan, and it's not-- | ### Assistant: Yeah. And to give a bit more freedom, and the fact that I can go there, and she'll go, "All right. thanks, but I'll drive you back home." Like, "How sweet." | ### Assistant: |
### Human: But I'm hearing at the moment, that's too hard for Mom to do because it's that day she's meant to see you. | ### Assistant: And again, she-- I guess, yeah, it's her day to see us, yeah, but I would prefer her to go-- instead of the fact that that's her day, to go over a fortnight, we can see Mom as much as we want, and Dad as much as we want. We might spend a week at Mom's and a week at Dad's, and we might spend two days with Mom and the rest with Dad, or we might spend two days with Dad and the rest with Mom. I want her to see the fact that that's not her allocated time. I don't want that to be her allocated tim | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So I'm hearing you want to have more of a choice in it. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And that's what the-- again, going back to our birthday. That's when we get to because we're officially 16 years old, and we can then really-- and go, "Yeah. That's what I want to do." | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And maybe the take home message from today is having to think about now and for the next six months, are there any small things that you can do to be more independent? | ### Assistant: Or is there any other things that would help me get closer to being independent. That's what I've got to figure out. If I can find little things that may draw her closer to-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And is-- | ### Assistant: --sort of geting rid of the fact that taking our opinions on board, or what we want on board, and actually talking through it instead of her going, "Yeah. I'll take it on board," but just going , and just chucking it straight away. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So Mom actually listening. Yeah. | ### Assistant: So she's listening, but she's not hearing. So it's going in, she's listened to it-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: ##h. Yeah. | ### Assistant: She's listened, but she hasn't heard what we're trying to say. I guess that's a better way of explaining that's how her brain works. I think that's, I guess, a better way of saying it. It's the fact that she's heard. So she's listened, but she hasn't heard. At the moment, the independence is one of my biggest things. At the moment is the fact that-- so we can see Dad when there's no allocated times to see Mom and Dad because-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: But it sounds like-- | ### Assistant: I guess if we want to get away from Mom, if we've had a fight, we can go, "Oh," and we can walk down to Dad's, and we won't get in trouble for it because we don't have allocated times. But if we're angry at Mom or angry at Dad, we can't go anywhere because that's allocated times. But I know if we were angry at Dad and we wanted to go back to Mom's, he'd obviously, "Yeah," but he'd want us to think about it and see if we wanted to stay there, or he goes, "All right. If you want to go back, yo | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that does make it a little tricky at the moment because there is the courts involved. Sort of this is the way it looks like. | ### Assistant: And that's the thing that I want to get rid of, is the courts, because that's what Mom's falling back on, and that's her only way of-- what's the word? | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Resolving it, yes? | ### Assistant: Resolving it. That's it. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So maybe it's-- | ### Assistant: That's her only way of resolving it at the moment. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Maybe while it is in place, because currently it is, and we can't change that at the moment, but it is those little things that maybe you can do to be more independent. And if you do have the session on Thursday, voicing, "Mom, what can I do to be more independent?" Because that's important. | ### Assistant: And I did say-- because we went and saw this family court girl - I can't exactly remember what her thing was - about the fact that I have said if I was angry at a parent-- I asked if she could put something in place where I could go to the other-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Parent. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --parent's house. So if I was angry at Mom, I could go to Dad's. And if I was angry at Dad, I could go to Mom's. That sort of thing. And she said that she'd look into it. Whether or not that's come through or not, but they'd get equal days. So if I spent two or three days at Dad's, Mom would get those two days back. If I spent two or three days at Mom's because of Dad, he'd get those two days back. So it's sort of the same time, but I had that freedom. That's what I wanted. Whether or not th | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That sounds like something to follow up. | ### Assistant: Yeah. I've obviously got to speak to her, because I think Dad knows her a bit more, and Mom doesn't like to speak about that sort of stuff with us, even though it has stuff to do with us. I'll speak to Dad about it and see whether or not that has been considered or not --- damn it. I was going to say something again. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. I'm just wary of the time because I think your mom's going to go, "Where are you?" because we've been here for-- oh, it's an hour and a half now. | ### Assistant: Doesn't matter. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Time goes quickly. I'll turn this off. | ### Assistant: Yeah. still working, hopefully. we can check that later. So I thought because we haven't seen each other for a while, maybe we'll do more of a catch-up, check in, see what you'd like to work on. What do you think? | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. still working, hopefully. we can check that later. So I thought because we haven't seen each other for a while, maybe we'll do more of a catch-up, check in, see what you'd like to work on. What do you think? | ### Assistant: Sounds good. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Sounds good. she updated me on the chat you had with her two weeks ago today. | ### Assistant: I think it was two weeks ago. Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Anything you want to update me on, or you want to focus on today? | ### Assistant: This is always hard. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It's a hard question, isn't it? | ### Assistant: Things to update and work on. Not a lot has gone on since the last time I saw him. I was talking about football. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yes. That was on my mind, that you might update me on football. Yeah. | ### Assistant: I got onto another squad for football. So even more football training. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So update me on the routine with football because she was explaining it to me, and I was like, "I think i will have to explain this again, so it makes sense." | ### Assistant: Well, at the moment, Tuesday is Calder Cannons here in town. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Calder. And what level is that on because you've got a few teams, don't you? | ### Assistant: Yeah. So Calder Cannons is going to TAC cups and that sort of stuff. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. TAC cups. Yeah. | ### Assistant: And then we've got-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that's training on a Tuesday. Yeah. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Wednesday is normal-- so normal club football in japan. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Okay. Club football, yeah. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Thursday, I believe-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: You're very busy. | ### Assistant: I believe Thursday is going to be-- because we've got into-- normally Thursday wasn't anything, but I think Thursday's going to-- because we got accepted into the NFL. So our club football is the Northern Football-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Okay. And is that you also, and yourself? | ### Assistant: Yeah. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. Just checking it is the same, or if it's one of you. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. So the NFL's the league that our local football club's in. I think that's on a Thursday. I'm not 100% sure. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: We can always change it around. | ### Assistant: Yeah. Friday's club football again. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So far. Yeah. | ### Assistant: So that's just training. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And that's training. So that's training for Wednesdays and Fridays. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And coming up-- won't be for a while though, but Sunday's normally the time when we play club football games. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Club football games. Yeah. | ### Assistant: But that's further into winter, so. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So that's it. | ### Assistant: And that's further into March. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Starts March. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Around about there. I think we have a practice match in March somewhere. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And is all this practice year long, or is it there's breaks and it's-- | ### Assistant: So Calder Cannons won't go through winter football season. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It doesn't. It doesn't. | ### Assistant: So it doesn't. It goes through summer and spring. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Spring. Yeah. | ### Assistant: And autumn and winter, they seem not to do it. They do most of it when it doesn't clash with club football and that sort of stuff. So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. So do a lot of people that play club football also-- a part of the Calder Cannons, or is-- | ### Assistant: Yeah. So what happens is you get invited. So people go out and look at your club, and you get invited down to Calder Cannons. And-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. This is what he was explaining to me. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And then they have-- they start off with a bunch of people, and then it gets down to a smaller group, and then a smaller group, and then a smaller group. And I think it gets down to a team. So I think it gets down to about 25 or something like that. And then 2 from there gets drafted to an NFL team. And then you play TAC cups. And then if you're good enough, then you go to play at AFL. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So that's training for the TAC Cup, and they're breaking it down. Yeah. Yeah. | ### Assistant: So that only runs-- I'm pretty sure it only runs through summer and spring. It might run through autumn. I'm not sure. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. Because you've got summer, spring, and that's a new thing. | ### Assistant: That was Calder Cannons and leading up to TAC Cup has been out there for a while. The only new thing that we knew about, I think it was the day after I came and saw it, I found out that I was in the NFL squad. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yes. So how long have you been in the Calder Cannons for? | ### Assistant: I've been in there for-- since last year I've been around about-- jeez. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So 2016 or '15. | ### Assistant: It was 2016. I think it was close to the end of the year. Might have been September. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. September. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Might be even earlier than that, but I think that's around about when. It's a bit confusing because I've got so many football dates already. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. That's why I wrote it down for my own, just to be able to separate the different ones. | ### Assistant: Yeah. So Thursday and Monday and Saturday-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And Monday. | ### Assistant: --and Sunday at the moment are all free. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So if we do that, Thursday is a question mark, and Saturday is a-- | ### Assistant: Yeah. Thursday's not sure, and Sunday at the moment is, but getting further into winter is when Sunday will become club football, which is good. I'll start getting back into football. I enjoy playing because this is normally when-- coming back from holidays, I haven't done a lot of exercise. And then it comes back to here, and it's hard. You're all into it and that sort of stuff, but yeah, it's good to get into running and that sort of stuff and playing footie, which is always good. And that | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. How does it help with school stuff? | ### Assistant: School stuff. So I have three sessions of sport. Well, not three sessions of sport. I have three days. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. And did you choose three days of sport? ?? | ### Assistant: What happens is we get electives. So we get to pick certain sports and certain subjects that you want to do. I decided to do-- so I've got two electives. The two electives are on Tuesday, so today, and are also on Thursday. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. So you have them twice on Tuesday, twice on Thursday. --- | ### Assistant: Yeah. So I've got a double session on Tuesday. So that's two sessions. And then I've got two sessions again on Thursday. And-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what are the electives? | ### Assistant: The Tuesday elective is PE body works. So sort of looking at muscles, bones, how they work, and that sort of stuff. And then Thursday is-- that's sport and recreation. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Sport and rec. Yeah. | ### Assistant: So that's looking at hosting events and all that sort of stuff. Sport in general. So what sport you do. And Wednesday, we've got three sessions, which are the last three, and we have team. So this is where we have people that go into teams, and we visit other schools. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Oh, so I forgot. Is there a technical word for it still? I've forgotten what it was called. | ### Assistant: Interschool sports. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's interschool sports. Yes. Yeah. The name hasn't changed. | ### Assistant: Yeah. Yeah. So that's what we do on a Wednesday, and that's compulsory for everyone. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And so if you don't like sport, you still have to play sport with interschool sports. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Well, you try out for a sport. And then if you don't want to play a sport, there's a thing where you stay back at school and do games and still do sport, but you're not going to other schools and that sort of stuff. So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So obviously, you would be in the teams. Just a guess. | ### Assistant: Yeah. right. It's a bit boring being there because it's mostly the people that don't like to play sports and not necessarily trying. So I-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It's not their thing. | ### Assistant: --at least want to try and do stuff. So I try to get onto as many teams as I-- well, I try to get onto a team. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. What team are you in? | ### Assistant: I'm in hockey boys. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Hockey. How do you find hockey? | ### Assistant: It's interesting. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Very different to-- | ### Assistant: It's certainly different from football with all the hitting and all that sort of stuff. The power, it's in here-- the muscles in here. Flicking the ball and hitting. Yeah. It's interesting, all the different rules. I'm used to contact and-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Because there's no contact in hockey, isn't there. Yeah. | ### Assistant: --kicking, in hockey you're not allowed to. I mean, you're not allowed to push. You're not allowed to-- you can bump, but you can't come in and take them out and that sort of thing. There is a bit of-- there's certain boundaries to contact. You can if you're going for the ball, and you accidentally bump them a bit, but if you come in and knock them out of the whole thing, and then take the ball, that's against you, and the ball's given to them. And you're not allowed to touch it with your fo | ### Assistant: |
### Human: When you're used to using your feet. | ### Assistant: When you've got the stick on the ground, it sort of flicks up, and your feet are in the way. And you're not allowed to stand on top of the ball, that sort of stuff. Yeah. It's very, very different from what I'm used to because I'm used to going after the ball and that sort of stuff. Getting thrashed around and that sort of stuff. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Nicer word thrashed around. | ### Assistant: Yeah. You can't touch it with your hand and all that sort of stuff. If it touches your-- because you've got shin pads so if it touches your shins and that sort of stuff. There's a lot of rules involved in it. So yeah, it took a bit to get used to. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: What made you choose hockey? | ### Assistant: Mom played it, and Mom's side cousins play hockey as well. Sometimes when we go up there, they'd be hitting around the hockey ball on a Sunday. So sometimes we'd play with the hockey ball, and I think I picked it up from there. It wasn't that hard. I got moving the ball around and hitting and all that sort of stuff, but yeah, so. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: It's a nice reason to give it a go. | ### Assistant: Yeah. Not our fault that I don't do school football. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And why is that possible? | ### Assistant: Purely because I'm a year-- so I went to school earlier. So I was-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: You're start of the year. You were born start of the year, so you went up a year, or you went a year earlier? | ### Assistant: I went a year earlier. So I'm a year younger than other people. So these guys are turning 16 this year, while I've turned 15 at the start of January. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yes. Yeah. So I was exactly the same, with a year earlier because I'm a January baby. So everyone's turning a year later, and you're like, "Yeah. I'm next year." Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. And it's hard with football because what the school does-- all the school does is you've got-- 7s play by themselves. 8s and 9s play together. 10s, 11s, and 12s --- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: 10s, 11s, and 12s. | ### Assistant: Because I'm in year 10 this year. So we're up against year 11 and 12. So basically, I'm at year 9, going up against 10s, 11s, and 12s. So they're much-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Yeah. So you could almost be against 18-year-olds. | ### Assistant: Yeah. They're much bigger than me, and I don't play that because of that. Because they're older than me, like a year, I've been-- in micro football I've always played a year above, so it's not that hard, but playing against people that are like two, three years older than me, it's a bit harder too, and they're massive. We've moved down to our own age group this year, and hopefully, we stay down. I've gone from people being up here to being people around about here. So all of a sudden one of | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And it sounds like that's-- | ### Assistant: --a little bit more important, I guess, than doing school football because I guess then-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's what I thought you might say. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. The school football sort of doesn't set me up for if I wanted to do football after I leave school and that sort of stuff, so. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Is that what you're thinking, or is that--? | ### Assistant: Well, if I do well in Calder Cannons and do end up getting up to the varsity squad, most likely you can play for Cannons and slowly , I'm pretty sure until you get drafted, So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: So could you get drafted at 15, or you need to be 18? | ### Assistant: I think you need to be-- you need to be 18 to be able to get drafted. I'm not sure. It might be 17, 18. I'm not 100% sure, but I know that two people do get drafted at the end of the year in 18s or 17s. So-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And you're playing under 15s or 16s? | ### Assistant: Yeah. I'm playing under 15s this year. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Under 15s. Yeah. | ### Assistant: So with Calder Cannons, you have to play in your own age group. So there's no advantages and there's no disadvantages with age and size and all of that sort of stuff. So at the moment, we're in under 15s. So we've got a while to go, but what they do is after a few months, they'll look down with all the people at Calder Cannons and go, "All right. These people are really good. These people are all right. And these people are struggling to cope with all this sort of stuff." So then they drop i | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Wow. That's 100. Yeah. | ### Assistant: Yeah. They've done a lot of cuts and a lot of people have gone. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what's the catchment area? Do you have to live in it, or how does it--? | ### Assistant: The Calder Cannons is-- so there's Calder Cannons and then there's Northern Knights. I think the cut off of doing it is-- I don't think you can go past them. I think that's the outskirts of Calder Cannons because I'm pretty sure you and i are now Northern Knights. So I think that is as far as you can go. I'm not sure how far that stretches out both ways. I think people in town-- so there's northern knights that are in Calder Cannons. So no, I'm no | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Needs to be so that they can figure out who goes where. | ### Assistant: Yeah. There's certain clubs that go, and I'm pretty sure it's due to living as well. So wherever you live, I guess, that's how far. Yeah. It's not so much-- it's with playing at the club and how far you are away from that club. So yeah, but I'm not sure how far that spans out though. I'd be interested to know. But yeah, there's heaps of local people from there that are as far out as here, I'm pretty sure. | ### Assistant: |
### Human: That's a big distance. | ### Assistant: There's some people from school, and I'm pretty sure there's other people, but everyone has got different teams. So some teams aren't-- they don't have a football team. I'm pretty sure the only football team they have is the seniors, which is 18s and up. So-- actually, I think it is them. I'm not 100% sure, but yeah. So at the moment, if I do well with Calder Cannons and I keep going and keep sticking with the group, most likely looking out of there, football is | ### Assistant: |
### Human: And what's that about, that you've got to have a rebound? | ### Assistant: Football back then, my uncles did football, and at the-- | ### Assistant: |
### Human: Uncles. So more than one. | ### Assistant: Yeah. They didn't have to have-- so back then when they were doing it, schooling wasn't such a big thing back then. People sort of saw it as if you're good at football, you're most likely to be a football player. And if you didn't make it, well, then you had to find something else, and that made it hard. And when he went on to play in the TAC Cup when he finished school and that sort of stuff, he doesn't have any education at all, so he doesn't have a job or anything. So he's basically relie | ### Assistant: |