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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather.

From what period and how long did He remain in India?

From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught.

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught.

He said He would come again. What about His second coming?

The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers.

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers.

In Egypt?

Zar [?].

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?].

In which pyramid are the records of the Christ?

That yet to be uncovered.

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered.

Outline the teachings which were received in India.

Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him.

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered. (Q): Outline the teachings which were received in India. (A): Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him.

Under whom did He study in India?

Kshjiar [?]. [GD's note: 6/5/69 Dr. I. C. Sharma told me he thought the correct spelling of the teacher would be Kahanji.]

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered. (Q): Outline the teachings which were received in India. (A): Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him. (Q): Under whom did He study in India? (A): Kshjiar [?]. [GD's note: 6/5/69 Dr. I. C. Sharma told me he thought the correct spelling of the teacher would be Kahanji.]

Under whom in Persia?

Junner [?].

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered. (Q): Outline the teachings which were received in India. (A): Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him. (Q): Under whom did He study in India? (A): Kshjiar [?]. [GD's note: 6/5/69 Dr. I. C. Sharma told me he thought the correct spelling of the teacher would be Kahanji.] (Q): Under whom in Persia? (A): Junner [?].

What relation was there in the training with the three wise men?

Representing the three phases of the development, for these were those that looked toward that development; as is symbolized by the character of that given as the blessings were made upon the infant in the Manger.

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered. (Q): Outline the teachings which were received in India. (A): Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him. (Q): Under whom did He study in India? (A): Kshjiar [?]. [GD's note: 6/5/69 Dr. I. C. Sharma told me he thought the correct spelling of the teacher would be Kahanji.] (Q): Under whom in Persia? (A): Junner [?]. (Q): What relation was there in the training with the three wise men? (A): Representing the three phases of the development, for these were those that looked toward that development; as is symbolized by the character of that given as the blessings were made upon the infant in the Manger.

When will this chance be given for these to be uncovered?

When there has been sufficient of the reckoning through which the world is passing in the present. 36 - 38 - 40. [See 5749-2, Par. R2.]

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(Q): Any message to the group gathered here? (A): In that ye seek to know the manner of preparation of Him that would be your guide, seek also to prepare YOURSELVES to be His subjects with that same diligence as that which has prompted the seeking here. We are through. (Q): Are there any written records which have not been found of the teachings? (A): More, rather, of those of the close associates, and those records that are yet to be found of the preparation of the man, of the Christ, in those of the tomb, or those yet to be uncovered in the pyramid. (Q): Are we entering the period of preparation for His coming? (A): Entering the test period, rather. (Q): From what period and how long did He remain in India? (A): From thirteen to sixteen. One year in travel and in Persia; the greater portion being in the Egyptian. In this, the greater part will be seen in the records that are set in the pyramids there; for HERE were the initiates taught. (Q): He said He would come again. What about His second coming? (A): The time no one knows. Even as He gave, not even the Son Himself. ONLY the Father. Not until His enemies - and the earth - are wholly in subjection to His will, His powers. (Q): In Egypt? (A): Zar [?]. (Q): In which pyramid are the records of the Christ? (A): That yet to be uncovered. (Q): Outline the teachings which were received in India. (A): Those cleansings of the body as related to preparation for strength in the physical, as well as in the mental man. In the travels and in Persia, the unison of forces as related to those teachings of that given in those of Zu and Ra. In Egypt, that which had been the basis of all the teachings in those of the temple, and the after actions of the crucifying of self in relationships to ideals that made for the abilities of carrying on that called to be done. In considering the life physical of any of the teachers, these should not be looked upon by students as unnatural conditions. Rather as, that the righteous Father CALLING to those that had builded in their experience that enabling them to BECOME what each individual must in their own little sphere, gradually enlarging same to become inclusive until they - the individuals - are one in purpose, one in aim, one in ideal, with Him. (Q): Under whom did He study in India? (A): Kshjiar [?]. [GD's note: 6/5/69 Dr. I. C. Sharma told me he thought the correct spelling of the teacher would be Kahanji.] (Q): Under whom in Persia? (A): Junner [?]. (Q): What relation was there in the training with the three wise men? (A): Representing the three phases of the development, for these were those that looked toward that development; as is symbolized by the character of that given as the blessings were made upon the infant in the Manger. (Q): When will this chance be given for these to be uncovered? (A): When there has been sufficient of the reckoning through which the world is passing in the present. 36 - 38 - 40. [See 5749-2, Par. R2.]

You will please give at this time an outline of the life and activities of Jesus the Christ from the time of His birth until the beginning of His ministry in Palestine at approximately thirty years of age; giving birth place, training, travels, etc.

As seen from the records that were kept then regarding the promises and their fulfillments in many lands, `Thou Bethlehem of Judah - the birth place of the Great Initiate, the Holy One, the Son of man, the Accepted One of the Father.` During those periods in accordance with those laws and rulings, in the household of the father. Then in the care and ministry from the period of the visit to Jerusalem, in first India, then Persia, then Egypt; for `My son shall be called from Egypt.` Then a portion of the sojourn with the forerunner that was first proclaimed in the region about Jordan; and then the return to Capernaum, the city of the beginning of the ministry. Then in Canaan and Galilee. In the studies that were a portion of the preparation, these included first those that were the foundations of that given as law. Hence from law in the Great Initiate must come love, mercy, peace, that there may be the fulfilling wholly of that purpose to which, of which, He was called.

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Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example.

They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.]

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(Q): Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example. (A): They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.]

Describe some of the planes into which entities pass on experiencing the change called death.

Passing from the material consciousness to a spiritual or cosmic, or outer consciousness, oft does an entity or being not become conscious of that about it; much in the same manner as an entity born into the material plane only becomes conscious gradually of that designated as time and space for the material or third dimensional plane. In the passage the entity becomes conscious, or the recognition of being in a fourth or higher dimensional plane takes place, much in the same way as the consciousness is gained in the material. For, as we have given, that we see manifested in the material plane is but a shadow of that in the spiritual plane. In materiality we find some advance faster, some grow stronger, some become weaklings. Until there is redemption through the acceptance of the law (or love of God, as manifested through the Channel or the Way), there can be little or no development in a material or spiritual plane. But all must pass under the rod, even as He - who entered into materiality. We are through.

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(Q): Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example. (A): They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.] (Q): Describe some of the planes into which entities pass on experiencing the change called death. (A): Passing from the material consciousness to a spiritual or cosmic, or outer consciousness, oft does an entity or being not become conscious of that about it; much in the same manner as an entity born into the material plane only becomes conscious gradually of that designated as time and space for the material or third dimensional plane. In the passage the entity becomes conscious, or the recognition of being in a fourth or higher dimensional plane takes place, much in the same way as the consciousness is gained in the material. For, as we have given, that we see manifested in the material plane is but a shadow of that in the spiritual plane. In materiality we find some advance faster, some grow stronger, some become weaklings. Until there is redemption through the acceptance of the law (or love of God, as manifested through the Channel or the Way), there can be little or no development in a material or spiritual plane. But all must pass under the rod, even as He - who entered into materiality. We are through.

Discuss the various phases of spiritual development before and after reincarnation in the earth.

This may be illustrated best in that which has been sought through example in the earth. When there was in the beginning a man's advent into the plane known as earth, and it became a living soul, amenable to the laws that govern the plane itself as presented, the Son of man entered earth as the first man. Hence the Son of man, the Son of God, the Son of the first Cause, making manifest in a material body. This was not the first spiritual influence, spiritual body, spiritual manifestation in the earth, but the first man - flesh and blood; the first carnal house, the first amenable body to the laws of the plane in its position in the universe. FOR, THE EARTH IS ONLY AN ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE OF WORLDS! And man's development began through the laws of the generations in the earth; thus the development, retardment, or the alterations in those positions in a material plane. And with error entered that as called DEATH, which is only a transition - or through God's other door - into that realm where the entity has builded, in its manifestations as related to the knowledge and activity respecting the law of the universal influence. Hence the development is through the planes of experience that an entity may become one WITH the first cause; even as the angels that wait before the Throne bring the access of the influence in the experience through the desires and activities of an entity, or being, in whatever state, place or plane of development the entity is passing. For, in the comprehension of no time, no space, no beginning, no end, there may be the glimpse of what simple transition or birth into the material is; as passing through the other door into another consciousness. Death in the material plane is passing through the outer door into a consciousness in the material activities that partakes of what the entity, or soul, has done with its spiritual truth in its manifestations in the other sphere. Hence, as there came the development of that first entity of flesh and blood through the earth plane, he became INDEED the Son - through the things which He experienced in the varied planes, as the development came to the oneness with the position in that which man terms the Triune.

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(Q): Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example. (A): They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.] (Q): Describe some of the planes into which entities pass on experiencing the change called death. (A): Passing from the material consciousness to a spiritual or cosmic, or outer consciousness, oft does an entity or being not become conscious of that about it; much in the same manner as an entity born into the material plane only becomes conscious gradually of that designated as time and space for the material or third dimensional plane. In the passage the entity becomes conscious, or the recognition of being in a fourth or higher dimensional plane takes place, much in the same way as the consciousness is gained in the material. For, as we have given, that we see manifested in the material plane is but a shadow of that in the spiritual plane. In materiality we find some advance faster, some grow stronger, some become weaklings. Until there is redemption through the acceptance of the law (or love of God, as manifested through the Channel or the Way), there can be little or no development in a material or spiritual plane. But all must pass under the rod, even as He - who entered into materiality. We are through. (Q): Discuss the various phases of spiritual development before and after reincarnation in the earth. (A): This may be illustrated best in that which has been sought through example in the earth. When there was in the beginning a man's advent into the plane known as earth, and it became a living soul, amenable to the laws that govern the plane itself as presented, the Son of man entered earth as the first man. Hence the Son of man, the Son of God, the Son of the first Cause, making manifest in a material body. This was not the first spiritual influence, spiritual body, spiritual manifestation in the earth, but the first man - flesh and blood; the first carnal house, the first amenable body to the laws of the plane in its position in the universe. FOR, THE EARTH IS ONLY AN ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE OF WORLDS! And man's development began through the laws of the generations in the earth; thus the development, retardment, or the alterations in those positions in a material plane. And with error entered that as called DEATH, which is only a transition - or through God's other door - into that realm where the entity has builded, in its manifestations as related to the knowledge and activity respecting the law of the universal influence. Hence the development is through the planes of experience that an entity may become one WITH the first cause; even as the angels that wait before the Throne bring the access of the influence in the experience through the desires and activities of an entity, or being, in whatever state, place or plane of development the entity is passing. For, in the comprehension of no time, no space, no beginning, no end, there may be the glimpse of what simple transition or birth into the material is; as passing through the other door into another consciousness. Death in the material plane is passing through the outer door into a consciousness in the material activities that partakes of what the entity, or soul, has done with its spiritual truth in its manifestations in the other sphere. Hence, as there came the development of that first entity of flesh and blood through the earth plane, he became INDEED the Son - through the things which He experienced in the varied planes, as the development came to the oneness with the position in that which man terms the Triune.

Explain the law of the line of demarcation between soul and spirit.

This is one, yet distinct - even as the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is one, yet is the manifestation of a force that is capable of manifestation in the varied planes of development. The soul is an individual, individuality, that may grow to be one with, or separate from, the whole. The spirit is the impelling influence of infinity, or the one creative source, force, that is manifest. Hence we find that in the physical plane we seek soul manifestation as the spirit moves same in activity.

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(Q): Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example. (A): They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.] (Q): Describe some of the planes into which entities pass on experiencing the change called death. (A): Passing from the material consciousness to a spiritual or cosmic, or outer consciousness, oft does an entity or being not become conscious of that about it; much in the same manner as an entity born into the material plane only becomes conscious gradually of that designated as time and space for the material or third dimensional plane. In the passage the entity becomes conscious, or the recognition of being in a fourth or higher dimensional plane takes place, much in the same way as the consciousness is gained in the material. For, as we have given, that we see manifested in the material plane is but a shadow of that in the spiritual plane. In materiality we find some advance faster, some grow stronger, some become weaklings. Until there is redemption through the acceptance of the law (or love of God, as manifested through the Channel or the Way), there can be little or no development in a material or spiritual plane. But all must pass under the rod, even as He - who entered into materiality. We are through. (Q): Discuss the various phases of spiritual development before and after reincarnation in the earth. (A): This may be illustrated best in that which has been sought through example in the earth. When there was in the beginning a man's advent into the plane known as earth, and it became a living soul, amenable to the laws that govern the plane itself as presented, the Son of man entered earth as the first man. Hence the Son of man, the Son of God, the Son of the first Cause, making manifest in a material body. This was not the first spiritual influence, spiritual body, spiritual manifestation in the earth, but the first man - flesh and blood; the first carnal house, the first amenable body to the laws of the plane in its position in the universe. FOR, THE EARTH IS ONLY AN ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE OF WORLDS! And man's development began through the laws of the generations in the earth; thus the development, retardment, or the alterations in those positions in a material plane. And with error entered that as called DEATH, which is only a transition - or through God's other door - into that realm where the entity has builded, in its manifestations as related to the knowledge and activity respecting the law of the universal influence. Hence the development is through the planes of experience that an entity may become one WITH the first cause; even as the angels that wait before the Throne bring the access of the influence in the experience through the desires and activities of an entity, or being, in whatever state, place or plane of development the entity is passing. For, in the comprehension of no time, no space, no beginning, no end, there may be the glimpse of what simple transition or birth into the material is; as passing through the other door into another consciousness. Death in the material plane is passing through the outer door into a consciousness in the material activities that partakes of what the entity, or soul, has done with its spiritual truth in its manifestations in the other sphere. Hence, as there came the development of that first entity of flesh and blood through the earth plane, he became INDEED the Son - through the things which He experienced in the varied planes, as the development came to the oneness with the position in that which man terms the Triune. (Q): Explain the law of the line of demarcation between soul and spirit. (A): This is one, yet distinct - even as the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is one, yet is the manifestation of a force that is capable of manifestation in the varied planes of development. The soul is an individual, individuality, that may grow to be one with, or separate from, the whole. The spirit is the impelling influence of infinity, or the one creative source, force, that is manifest. Hence we find that in the physical plane we seek soul manifestation as the spirit moves same in activity.

Please explain the virgin birth of Jesus, the Christ.

In that there had been the manifestation in the earth of that which completed the cycle for the necessary manifestation in the earth of the holy influence necessary for the sustaining of a backsliding world, there was then that choosing of the influence through which there became manifest (in and through those channels that comply with the laws of spiritual forces) that which brought into being the conception, that made for the living influence of the Spirit through the body that became the child Jesus; and through the manifesting of the spirit of the oneness of the Father became a manifestation of the Christ Spirit in material surroundings.

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(Q): Are angels and archangels synonymous with that which we call the laws of the universe? If so, explain and give an example. (A): They are as the laws of the universe; as is Michael the lord of the Way, NOT the Way but the lord of the Way, hence disputed with the influence of evil as to the way of the spirit of the teacher or director in his entrance through the outer door. [See Jude 1:9 in re Michael the archangel `when contending with the devil about the body of Moses` when Moses died.] (Q): Describe some of the planes into which entities pass on experiencing the change called death. (A): Passing from the material consciousness to a spiritual or cosmic, or outer consciousness, oft does an entity or being not become conscious of that about it; much in the same manner as an entity born into the material plane only becomes conscious gradually of that designated as time and space for the material or third dimensional plane. In the passage the entity becomes conscious, or the recognition of being in a fourth or higher dimensional plane takes place, much in the same way as the consciousness is gained in the material. For, as we have given, that we see manifested in the material plane is but a shadow of that in the spiritual plane. In materiality we find some advance faster, some grow stronger, some become weaklings. Until there is redemption through the acceptance of the law (or love of God, as manifested through the Channel or the Way), there can be little or no development in a material or spiritual plane. But all must pass under the rod, even as He - who entered into materiality. We are through. (Q): Discuss the various phases of spiritual development before and after reincarnation in the earth. (A): This may be illustrated best in that which has been sought through example in the earth. When there was in the beginning a man's advent into the plane known as earth, and it became a living soul, amenable to the laws that govern the plane itself as presented, the Son of man entered earth as the first man. Hence the Son of man, the Son of God, the Son of the first Cause, making manifest in a material body. This was not the first spiritual influence, spiritual body, spiritual manifestation in the earth, but the first man - flesh and blood; the first carnal house, the first amenable body to the laws of the plane in its position in the universe. FOR, THE EARTH IS ONLY AN ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE OF WORLDS! And man's development began through the laws of the generations in the earth; thus the development, retardment, or the alterations in those positions in a material plane. And with error entered that as called DEATH, which is only a transition - or through God's other door - into that realm where the entity has builded, in its manifestations as related to the knowledge and activity respecting the law of the universal influence. Hence the development is through the planes of experience that an entity may become one WITH the first cause; even as the angels that wait before the Throne bring the access of the influence in the experience through the desires and activities of an entity, or being, in whatever state, place or plane of development the entity is passing. For, in the comprehension of no time, no space, no beginning, no end, there may be the glimpse of what simple transition or birth into the material is; as passing through the other door into another consciousness. Death in the material plane is passing through the outer door into a consciousness in the material activities that partakes of what the entity, or soul, has done with its spiritual truth in its manifestations in the other sphere. Hence, as there came the development of that first entity of flesh and blood through the earth plane, he became INDEED the Son - through the things which He experienced in the varied planes, as the development came to the oneness with the position in that which man terms the Triune. (Q): Explain the law of the line of demarcation between soul and spirit. (A): This is one, yet distinct - even as the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is one, yet is the manifestation of a force that is capable of manifestation in the varied planes of development. The soul is an individual, individuality, that may grow to be one with, or separate from, the whole. The spirit is the impelling influence of infinity, or the one creative source, force, that is manifest. Hence we find that in the physical plane we seek soul manifestation as the spirit moves same in activity. (Q): Please explain the virgin birth of Jesus, the Christ. (A): In that there had been the manifestation in the earth of that which completed the cycle for the necessary manifestation in the earth of the holy influence necessary for the sustaining of a backsliding world, there was then that choosing of the influence through which there became manifest (in and through those channels that comply with the laws of spiritual forces) that which brought into being the conception, that made for the living influence of the Spirit through the body that became the child Jesus; and through the manifesting of the spirit of the oneness of the Father became a manifestation of the Christ Spirit in material surroundings.

You will give at this time a discourse on the subject, `Angels and Archangels, and How They Help Humanity.` You will also answer the questions which will be asked.

Yes. With the bringing into creation the manifested forms, there came that which has been, is, and ever will be, the spirit realm and its attributes - designated as angels and archangels. They are the spiritual manifestations in the spirit world of those attributes that the developing forces accredit to the One Source, that may be seen in material planes through the influences that may aid in development of the mental and spiritual forces through an experience - or in the acquiring of knowledge that may aid in the intercourse one with another. Then, how do they aid? Under what law do they operate? The divine, in its intercourse, influence and manifestation with that which partakes of the same forces as they manifest. Ready for questions.

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[379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ?

Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through.

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through.

[560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body.

In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit.

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit.

[585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master?

A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other?

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other?

[69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind?

When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane.

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other? (Q): [69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind? (A): When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane.

[993]: Please explain why during meditation last Monday noon I had the longing to seek more knowledge of, and a reading on, Jesus the Christ.

The inner self approached nearer the attunement of the consciousness of the Christ presence. The Christ Consciousness is a universal consciousness of the Father Spirit. The Jesus consciousness is that man builds as body worship. In the Christ Consciousness, then, there is the oneness of self, self's desires, self's abilities, made in at-onement with the forces that may bring to pass that which is sought by an individual entity or soul. Hence at that particular period self was in accord. Hence the physical consciousness had the desire to make it an experience of the whole consciousness of self. Seek this the more often. He will speak with thee, for His promises are true - every one of them.

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other? (Q): [69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind? (A): When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane. (Q): [993]: Please explain why during meditation last Monday noon I had the longing to seek more knowledge of, and a reading on, Jesus the Christ. (A): The inner self approached nearer the attunement of the consciousness of the Christ presence. The Christ Consciousness is a universal consciousness of the Father Spirit. The Jesus consciousness is that man builds as body worship. In the Christ Consciousness, then, there is the oneness of self, self's desires, self's abilities, made in at-onement with the forces that may bring to pass that which is sought by an individual entity or soul. Hence at that particular period self was in accord. Hence the physical consciousness had the desire to make it an experience of the whole consciousness of self. Seek this the more often. He will speak with thee, for His promises are true - every one of them.

Is Jesus the Christ on any particular sphere or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body?

As just given, all power in heaven, in earth, is given to Him who overcame. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a Spirit Entity. Hence not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who WILLS to be one with, and acts in love to make same possible. For, He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the BODY He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed, that was crucified on the cross, that rose from the tomb, that walked by the sea, that appeared to Simon, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to `I, even John.`

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other? (Q): [69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind? (A): When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane. (Q): [993]: Please explain why during meditation last Monday noon I had the longing to seek more knowledge of, and a reading on, Jesus the Christ. (A): The inner self approached nearer the attunement of the consciousness of the Christ presence. The Christ Consciousness is a universal consciousness of the Father Spirit. The Jesus consciousness is that man builds as body worship. In the Christ Consciousness, then, there is the oneness of self, self's desires, self's abilities, made in at-onement with the forces that may bring to pass that which is sought by an individual entity or soul. Hence at that particular period self was in accord. Hence the physical consciousness had the desire to make it an experience of the whole consciousness of self. Seek this the more often. He will speak with thee, for His promises are true - every one of them. (Q): Is Jesus the Christ on any particular sphere or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body? (A): As just given, all power in heaven, in earth, is given to Him who overcame. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a Spirit Entity. Hence not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who WILLS to be one with, and acts in love to make same possible. For, He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the BODY He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed, that was crucified on the cross, that rose from the tomb, that walked by the sea, that appeared to Simon, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to `I, even John.`

When Jesus the Christ comes the second time, will He set up His kingdom on earth and will it be an everlasting kingdom?

Read His promises in that ye have written of His words, even as `I gave`. He shall rule for a thousand years. Then shall Satan be loosed again for a season.

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other? (Q): [69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind? (A): When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane. (Q): [993]: Please explain why during meditation last Monday noon I had the longing to seek more knowledge of, and a reading on, Jesus the Christ. (A): The inner self approached nearer the attunement of the consciousness of the Christ presence. The Christ Consciousness is a universal consciousness of the Father Spirit. The Jesus consciousness is that man builds as body worship. In the Christ Consciousness, then, there is the oneness of self, self's desires, self's abilities, made in at-onement with the forces that may bring to pass that which is sought by an individual entity or soul. Hence at that particular period self was in accord. Hence the physical consciousness had the desire to make it an experience of the whole consciousness of self. Seek this the more often. He will speak with thee, for His promises are true - every one of them. (Q): Is Jesus the Christ on any particular sphere or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body? (A): As just given, all power in heaven, in earth, is given to Him who overcame. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a Spirit Entity. Hence not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who WILLS to be one with, and acts in love to make same possible. For, He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the BODY He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed, that was crucified on the cross, that rose from the tomb, that walked by the sea, that appeared to Simon, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to `I, even John.` (Q): When Jesus the Christ comes the second time, will He set up His kingdom on earth and will it be an everlasting kingdom? (A): Read His promises in that ye have written of His words, even as `I gave`. He shall rule for a thousand years. Then shall Satan be loosed again for a season.

Wherever He is, how may I contact Him so that I may see Him and hear Him speak?

The making of the will of self one with His will makes a whole attunement with Him. He WILL, with the making of self in accord and desiring same, speak with thee. `Be not afraid, it is I.` [8/20/33 See 262-51, Par. 8-A, 9-A in re Mrs. [69] making herself more in accord so He will speak.]

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(Q): [379]: How may I raise my vibrations so as to contact the Christ? (A): Making the will, the desire of the heart, one with His, believing in faith, in patience, all becomes possible in Him, through Him to the Father; for He gave it as it is. Believest thou? Then, `according to thy faith be it done in thee`. We are through. (Q): [560]: Please explain: While meditating I had the realization of the forces within and the forces without being the one and the same force. Then as if someone said: `Why not look to the within?` When I turned to the within, I received a realization of the Christ which seemed to take form in body. (A): In this the body-consciousness experienced much that `I, even John, experienced when I looked behind me from the cave and saw that the without and within are ONE,` [John 11:38? John's witnessing the healing of Lazarus?] when the desires of the heart make each atom of the physical body vibrate with the consciousness of, the belief and the faith and the presence of, the Christ life, the Christ Consciousness. Life is an essence of the Father. The Christ, taking up the life of the man Jesus, becomes life in glory; and may be glorified in each atom of a physical body that attunes self to the consciousness and the WILL of the Christ Spirit. (Q): [585]: Was the vision I saw early one morning several months ago a vision of the Master? (A): A passing shadow, yes. Pray rather to the Son, the Father through the Son, that He walks with thee - and He WILL walk and talk with thee. Be NOT satisfied with ANY other. He may oft give His angels charge concerning thee, yet know the Master's touch, the Master's voice; for He may walk and talk with thee. HE is the Way; there is no other. He in body suffered; for himself, yea - for thee also. Wilt thou turn, then, to any other? (Q): [69]: Is the Celestial Sphere a definite place in the Universe or is it a state of mind? (A): When an entity, a soul, passes into any sphere, with that it has builded in its celestial body, it must occupy - to a finite mind - space, place, time. Hence, to a finite mind, a body can only be in a place, a position. An attitude, sure - for that of a onement with, or attunement with, the Whole. For, God is love; hence occupies a space, place, condition, and IS the Force that permeates all activity. So, Christ is the ruling force in the world that man, in his finite mind - the material body, must draw to self of that sphere of which the entity, the soul, is a part, of whatever period of experience, to be conscious of an existence in that particular sphere or plane. (Q): [993]: Please explain why during meditation last Monday noon I had the longing to seek more knowledge of, and a reading on, Jesus the Christ. (A): The inner self approached nearer the attunement of the consciousness of the Christ presence. The Christ Consciousness is a universal consciousness of the Father Spirit. The Jesus consciousness is that man builds as body worship. In the Christ Consciousness, then, there is the oneness of self, self's desires, self's abilities, made in at-onement with the forces that may bring to pass that which is sought by an individual entity or soul. Hence at that particular period self was in accord. Hence the physical consciousness had the desire to make it an experience of the whole consciousness of self. Seek this the more often. He will speak with thee, for His promises are true - every one of them. (Q): Is Jesus the Christ on any particular sphere or is He manifesting on the earth plane in another body? (A): As just given, all power in heaven, in earth, is given to Him who overcame. Hence He is of Himself in space, in the force that impels through faith, through belief, in the individual entity. As a Spirit Entity. Hence not in a body in the earth, but may come at will to him who WILLS to be one with, and acts in love to make same possible. For, He shall come as ye have seen Him go, in the BODY He occupied in Galilee. The body that He formed, that was crucified on the cross, that rose from the tomb, that walked by the sea, that appeared to Simon, that appeared to Philip, that appeared to `I, even John.` (Q): When Jesus the Christ comes the second time, will He set up His kingdom on earth and will it be an everlasting kingdom? (A): Read His promises in that ye have written of His words, even as `I gave`. He shall rule for a thousand years. Then shall Satan be loosed again for a season. (Q): Wherever He is, how may I contact Him so that I may see Him and hear Him speak? (A): The making of the will of self one with His will makes a whole attunement with Him. He WILL, with the making of self in accord and desiring same, speak with thee. `Be not afraid, it is I.` [8/20/33 See 262-51, Par. 8-A, 9-A in re Mrs. [69] making herself more in accord so He will speak.]

You will have before you the Norfolk Study Group #1, members of which are present in this room, who seek more knowledge of, and that a reading be given on, Jesus the Christ. We would appreciate all knowledge that might be given on Him at this time, after which you will answer the questions that may be asked by each individual present.

Yes, we have the group as gathered here; and their work, their desires. We will seek that as may be given at this time. `I, John, would speak with thee concerning the Lord, the Master, as He walked among men. As given, if all that He did and said were written, I suppose the world would not contain all that may be said.` As He, the Christ, is in His glory that was ordained of the Father, He may be approached by those who in sincerity and earnestness seek to know Him - and to be guided by Him. As He has given, by faith all things are made possible through belief in His name. Believest thou? Then let thine activities bespeak that thou wouldst have, in spirit, in truth. Seek, then, each in your own way and manner, to magnify that you, as souls, as beings, would make manifest of His love, in the way He will show thee day by day. As He came into the world, as man knows the world, then He became as man; yet in the spirit world He seeks to make manifest that sought by those who do His biddings. For, as He gave, `If ye love me, keep my commandments. These are not new, and are not grievous, that ye love one another - even as the Father loveth me.`

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You will have before you Edgar Cayce, present in this room, and his enquiring mind in relation to the talk which he expects to give next Monday evening on the `Second Coming.` You will give what he should present at this open meeting on this subject.

That which crowds in at the present may be well for those present, but would it be well for those in open meeting? From this experience, though, there may be gathered that which has been given and that which may be helpful to many in the comprehension of that which is the experience of those that seek through such channels to have for themselves the experience that may be had by those here in this room in the present. Be mindful then, each of you, of that ye may inwardly experience in that which may be given you. For, those experiences that have been told you of the vision [See EC's dream of a.m.] of the gathering of those that were known to many in this present land and in the lands abroad were in reference to just those things that may be said respecting the Coming. Many of these have ministered, have preached concerning this Second Coming. Not a one but what has at some time left the record of his contemplations and experiences in those environs, whether made in the heart and mind of his hearers or in the written word; yet here today, in what ye call time, ye find them gathering in a body to LISTEN to that as may be given them by [Edgar Cayce?] one who is to be a forerunner of that influence in the earth known as the Christ Consciousness, the coming of that force or power into the earth that has been spoken of through the ages. Listen, while he speaks! [Edgar Cayce?] Ye, my brethren, in your ignorance and in your zeal have often spoken of that influence in the earth known among men as the record made by those that would influence the activities in the religious or spiritual life of individuals through the ages, as a record of the Son of man as He walked in the earth. Rather would ye listen and harken to those things as He spoke when He made those inferences and illustrations as to how those had closed and did close their ears to what was actually going on about them; yet they knew Him not! He, our Lord and our Master, was the first among those that put on immortality that there might be the opportunity for those forces that had erred in spiritual things; and only through experiencing in a manner whereunto all might be visioned from their greater abilities of manifesting in the various phases, forms and manners as they developed through that ye know as matter, could they come to know how or why or when there was made manifest in any realm spirit that was good and spirit that was in error. For, He gave thee, had ye not KNOWN the Son ye would NOT be condemned in thine own self. For, condemnation was not in Him, but `ye are condemned already.` And in the coming into the influence of those that would open themselves for an understanding might there be the approach to Him. He has come in all ages through those that were the spokesmen to a people in this age, that age, called unto a purpose for the manifestation of that first idea. Readst thou how the sons of God came together, and Satan came also? `Hast thou considered my servant? Hast thou seen his ways?` And the answer, even from the evil force, `Put forth thine hand - touch him in those things that pertain to the satisfying of desire that is flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.` Then, `He is in thine hand, but touch not his soul - touch not his soul!` So we see how that the coming into the earth has been and is for the evolution or the evolving of the soul unto its awareness of the effect of all influences in its experience in the varied spheres of activity; and that only in Him who was the creator, the maker, the experiencer of mortality and spirit and soul COULD this be overcome. Then, the necessity. For, has it not been said, has it not been shown in the experience of the earth, the world, from any angle it may be considered, that He has not willed that any should be lost - but has prepared the way of escape in Him, the Maker? But who is the worthy servant? He that has endured unto the end! Then, He has come in all ages when it has been necessary for the understanding to be centered in a NEW application of the same thought, `God IS Spirit and seeks such to worship him in spirit and in truth!` Then, as there is prepared the way by those that have made and do make the channels for the entering in, there may come into the earth those influences that will save, regenerate, resuscitate, HOLD - if you please - the earth in its continued activity toward the proper understanding and proper relationships to that which is the making for the closer relationships to that which is in Him ALONE. Ye have seen it in Adam; ye have heard it in Enoch, ye have had it made known in Melchizedek; Joshua, Joseph, David, and those that made the preparation then for him called Jesus. [GD's note: Essenes, School of Prophets started by Elijah. See Malachi 3 and 4] Ye have seen His Spirit in the leaders in all realms of activity, whether in the isles of the sea, the wilderness, the mountain, or in the various activities of every race, every color, every activity of that which has produced and does produce contention in the minds and hearts of those that dwell in the flesh. For, what must be obliterated? Hate, prejudice, selfishness, backbiting, unkindness, anger, passion, and those things of the mire that are created in the activities of the sons of men. Then again He may come in body to claim His own. Is He abroad today in the earth? Yea, in those that cry unto Him from every corner; for He, the Father, hath not suffered His soul to see corruption; neither hath it taken hold on those things that make the soul afraid. For, He IS the Son of Light, of God, and is holy before Him. And He comes again in the hearts and souls and minds of those that seek to know His ways. These be hard to be understood by those in the flesh, where prejudice, avarice, vice of all natures holds sway in the flesh; yet those that call on Him will not go empty handed - even as thou, in thine ignorance, in thine zealousness that has at times eaten thee up. Yet HERE ye may hear the golden sceptre ring - ring - in the hearts of those that seek His face. Ye, too, may minister in those days when He will come in the flesh, in the earth, to call His own by name. We are through. Copy to Work book Ass'n file

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As we approach this Easter season our thoughts turn naturally toward the Biblical accounts of the resurrection of Jesus, the Christ. We seek at this time through this channel information dealing either with a completion of the historical account or interpretation and explanation of the full meaning of the resurrection which will help us to better understand and appreciate it.

Yes. In seeking ye shall find. In the experience of each soul that has named the name of the Christ, this should be a season of rededication of self as being a true messenger of His in and among men. In seeking, then, to know more of that, as to those here, much may be revealed to those that in their inner selves experienced that material period when HE, Jesus, walked in the earth. But for what purpose is this season observed, that caused or called for such a sacrifice that life might be made manifest? Is it not fitting that to those here, to those there in that land, it came at that particular season when life in its manifestations was being demonstrated in the material things about each soul? How, why, was there the need for there to be a resurrection? Why came He into the earth to die the death, even on the Cross? Has it been, then, the fulfillment of promise, the fulfillment of law, the fulfillment of man's estate? Else why did He put on flesh and come into the earth in the form of man, but to be one with the Father; to show to man HIS (man's) divinity, man's relationship to the Maker; to show man that indeed the Father meant it when He said, `If ye call I will hear. Even though ye be far away, even though ye be covered with sin, if ye be washed in the blood of the lamb ye may come back.` 6. Then, though He were the first of man, the first of the sons of God in spirit, in flesh, it became necessary that He fulfillALL those associations, those connections that were to wipe away in the experience of man that which separates him from his Maker. Though man be far afield, then, though he may have erred, there is established that which makes for a closer, closer walk WITH Him, through that one who experienced all those turmoils, strifes, desires, urges that may be the lot of man in the earth. Yet He put on flesh, made HIMSELF as naught - even as was promised throughout, to those who walked and talked with God. In the history, then, of the resurrection as ye have recorded in part, may it be so interpreted that those here, now, that experienced (through that period of their advent) His suffering, may - as Andrew, Martha, Naomi, Loda [?], Elois [?], Phoenix [?], Phoebe [?] - again see those days. Though there were fears from the elements without, from the political powers that made for fears of body and mind, there were the rememberings that HE had given, `Though ye destroy this temple, in three days it will rise again.` And then as He hung upon the Cross, He called to those that He loved and remembered not only their spiritual purposes but their material lives. For He indeed in suffering the death on the Cross became the whole, the entire way; THE way, THE life, THE understanding, that we who believe on Him may, too, have the everlasting life. For He committed unto those of His brethren not only the care of the spiritual life of the world but the material life of those that were of His own flesh, His own blood. Yea, as He gave his physical blood that doubt and fear might be banished, so He overcame death; not only in the physical body but in the SPIRIT body - that it may become as ONE with Him, even as on that resurrection morn - that ye call thy Eastertide. It is that breaking forth from the tomb, as exemplified in the bulb of the tree of nature itself breaking forth from the sleep that it may rise as He with healing in its very life, to bring all phases of man's experience to His Consciousness - that indeed became then the fulfilling of the law. On what wise, then, ye ask, did this happen in materiality? Not only was He dead in body, but the soul was separated from that body. As all phases of man in the earth are made manifest, the physical body, the mental body, the soul body became as each dependent upon their own experience. Is it any wonder that the man cried, `My God, my God, WHY hast thou forsaken me?` Each soul comes to stand as He before that throne of his Maker, with the deeds that have been done in the body, in the mind, presenting the body-spiritual before that throne of mercy, before that throne of the Maker, the Creator, the God. Yet as He, the Father, hath given to each of you, `I have given my angels charge concerning thee, and they shall bear thee up, and thou shalt not know corruption.` This He demonstrated in the experience of thy Brother, thy Savior, thy Jesus, thy Christ; that would come and dwell in the hearts and lives of you all - if you will but let Him, if you will but invite Him, if you will but open thy own heart, each of you, that He may enter and abide with you. Hence when those of His loved ones and those of His brethren came on that glad morning when the tidings had come to them, those that stood guard heard a fearful noise and saw a light, and - `the stone has been rolled away!` Then they entered into the garden, and there Mary first saw her RISEN Lord. Then came they of His brethren with the faithful women, those that loved His mother, those that were her companions in sorrow, those that were making preparations that the law might be kept that even there might be no desecration of the ground about His tomb. They, too, of His friends, His loved ones, His brethren, saw the angels. How, why, took they on form? That there might be implanted into their hearts and souls that FULFILMENT of those promises. What separates ye from seeing the Glory even of Him that walks with thee oft in the touch of a loving hand, in the voice of those that would comfort and cheer? For He, thy Christ, is oft with thee. Doubt, fear, unbelief; fear that thou art not worthy! Open thine eyes and behold the Glory, even of thy Christ present here, now, in thy midst! even as He appeared to them on that day! What meaneth the story of the Christ, of His resurrection, of the man Jesus that walked in Galilee, without that resurrection morn? Little, more than that of the man thou thinkest so little of, that though His body-physical touched the bones of Elisha He walked again among men! Dost thou believe that He has risen? How spoke Thomas? `Until I see, until I have put my hand in His side where I saw water and blood gush forth, until I have handled His body, I will NOT believe.` 23. Ye, too, oft doubt; ye, too, oft fear. Yet He is surely with thee. And when ye at this glad season rededicate thy life, thy body, thy mind to His service, ye - too - may know, as they, that He LIVES - and is at the right hand of God to make intercession for YOU - if ye will believe; if ye will believe that He is, ye may experience. For as many as have named the name, and that do unto their brethren the deeds that bring to them (to you) that closeness, oneness of purpose with Him, may know - ye, too - in body, in mind, that He LIVES TODAY, and will come and receive you unto Himself, that where He is there ye may be also. Crucify Him not in thy mind nor in thy bodily activities. Be not overcome by those things that are of the earth-earthy. Rather clothe thy body, thy mind, with the thoughts, the deeds, the privileges that His suffering as a man brought to thee, that He indeed might be the first of those that slept, the first of those that came in the flesh, that passed through all those periods of preparation in the flesh, even as thou. But if ye would put on Him, ye must claim His promises as thine own. And how canst thou claim them unless ye in thine own knowledge, thine own consciousness, HAVE done - do do from day to day - that thy heart has told and does tell thee is in keeping with what He has promised? For thy Christ, thy Lord, thy Jesus, is nigh unto thee - just now! We are through.

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Did Mary and Joseph have any other children?

James, Jude, and the daughter.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter.

Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary?

Of Jesus to Mary.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary.

Explain the immaculate conception.

As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception.

Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth?

As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child.

How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen?

Three years.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child. (Q): How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen? (A): Three years.

In what manner was she chosen?

As they walked up the steps!

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child. (Q): How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen? (A): Three years. (Q): In what manner was she chosen? (A): As they walked up the steps!

Was Mary immaculately conceived?

Mary was immaculately conceived. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child. (Q): How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen? (A): Three years. (Q): In what manner was she chosen? (A): As they walked up the steps! (Q): Was Mary immaculately conceived? (A): Mary was immaculately conceived. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]

Was there any appearance of the angel Gabriel in the home?

In the temple when she was chosen, in the home of Elizabeth when she was made aware of the presence by being again in the presence of the messenger or forerunner. Again to Joseph at the time of their union. Again (by Michael) at the time when the edict was given. We are through for the present. We would continue.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child. (Q): How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen? (A): Three years. (Q): In what manner was she chosen? (A): As they walked up the steps! (Q): Was Mary immaculately conceived? (A): Mary was immaculately conceived. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was there any appearance of the angel Gabriel in the home? (A): In the temple when she was chosen, in the home of Elizabeth when she was made aware of the presence by being again in the presence of the messenger or forerunner. Again to Joseph at the time of their union. Again (by Michael) at the time when the edict was given. We are through for the present. We would continue.

What relation did they have with the later travels of Jesus?

As has just been indicated, they represented then the three phases of man's experience as well as the three phases of the teacher from Egypt, from Persia, from India.

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(Q): Did Mary and Joseph have any other children? (A): James, Jude, and the daughter. (Q): Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary? (A): Of Jesus to Mary. (Q): Explain the immaculate conception. (A): As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one. And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality. Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same. Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception. (Q): Explain the relationship of the Wise Men and Jesus' birth? (A): As indicated by the travels of the Master during the periods of preparation, the whole earth, the whole world looked for, sought the closer understanding. Hence through the efforts of the students of the various phases of experiences of man in the earth, as may be literally interpreted from the first chapters of Genesis, ye find that those that subdued - not that were ruled by, but subdued the understandings of that in the earth - were considered, or were in the position of the wise, or the sages, or the ones that were holy; in body and mind, in accord with purposes. Hence we find the Wise Men as those that were seekers for the truth, for this happening; and in and through the application of those forces - as ye would term today psychic - we find them coming to the place `where the child was.` Or they were drawn as those that were giving the thanks for this Gift, this expression of a soul seeking to show wayward man back to God. So they represent in the metaphysical sense the three phases of man's experience in materiality; gold, the material; frankincense, the ether or ethereal; myrrh, the healing force as brought with same; or body, mind, soul. These were the positions then of the Wise Men in their relationship, or to put into the parlance of the day - they were the encouragement needed for the Mother and those that had nourished, that had cherished this event in the experience of mankind. They came during the days of purification, but to be sure only after she was purified were they presented to the Child. (Q): How long was the preparation in progress before Mary was chosen? (A): Three years. (Q): In what manner was she chosen? (A): As they walked up the steps! (Q): Was Mary immaculately conceived? (A): Mary was immaculately conceived. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was there any appearance of the angel Gabriel in the home? (A): In the temple when she was chosen, in the home of Elizabeth when she was made aware of the presence by being again in the presence of the messenger or forerunner. Again to Joseph at the time of their union. Again (by Michael) at the time when the edict was given. We are through for the present. We would continue. (Q): What relation did they have with the later travels of Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, they represented then the three phases of man's experience as well as the three phases of the teacher from Egypt, from Persia, from India.

You will have before you the entity Thomas Sugrue, present in this room, seeking the life of the Master and its history in the material world. Then you will answer the questions he submits, as I ask them.

Yes, we have the entity, Thomas Sugrue; the desires, the purposes for the desire to know the material history of the life of the Master in the material world. Much might be given as to how or why and when there were the purposes that brought about the materialization of Jesus in the flesh. In giving then the history: There were those in the faith of the fathers to whom the promises were given that these would be fulfilled as from the beginning of man's record. Hence there was the continued preparation and dedication of those who might be the channels through which this chosen vessel might enter - through choice - into materiality. Thus in Carmel - where there were the priests of this faith - there were the maidens chosen that were dedicated to this purpose, this office, this service. Among them was Mary, the beloved, the chosen one; and she, as had been foretold, was chosen as the channel. Thus she was separated and kept in the closer associations with and in the care or charge of this office. That was the beginning, that was the foundation of what ye term the Church. Then, when the days were fulfilled that the prophecy might come that had been given by Isaiah, Malachi, Joel and those of old, she - Mary, espoused to Joseph - a chosen vessel for the office among those of the priests, the sect or group who had separated and dedicated themselves in body, in mind, in spirit for this coming became with child. Then, as the record is given, that is the common knowledge of most, there was born in Bethlehem of Judea that entity, that soul, Jesus. There was the period of purification according to the law, and then the days in the temple and the blessing by Anna and by the high priest. And these made for those days of the beginning of the entity called Jesus - who becomes the Christ, the Master of Masters - in the days when there was the return to Nazareth and then the edict that sent them into Egypt that the prophecy was fulfilled, `My son shall be called from Egypt.` There five years were spent, as ye term time - by the mother, Joseph, and the child. Then there was the return to Judea and to Capernaum, where dwelt many of those who were later the closer companions of the Master. Here, after the period again of presentation at the temple, when there were those questionings among the groups of the leaders, the entity then was sent first - again - into Egypt for only a short period, and then into India, and then into what is now Persia. Hence in all the ways of the teachers the entity was trained. From Persia he was called to Judea at the death of Joseph, and then into Egypt for the completion of the preparation as a teacher. He was with John, the messenger, during the portion of the training there in Egypt. Then to Capernaum, Cana, and those periods of the first preparation in the land of the nativity. The rest ye have according to Mark, John, Matthew and Luke; these in their order record most of the material experiences of the Master. Many of details may be given in the varied fields of the preparation, but these were the experiences. Ready for questions.

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At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James?

Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude.

Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens.

Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected.

Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time?

Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now.

Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps.

The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day.

How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage?

Thirty-six.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six.

How old was Mary at the time of the marriage?

Sixteen.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen.

How old was Mary at the time she was chosen?

Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair.

How were the maidens selected and by whom?

By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man.

In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus?

First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see?

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see?

Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct?

It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth!

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth!

Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father?

Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]

Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary?

Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.]

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.]

Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph?

Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences.

Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple?

The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem.

Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife?

As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file

Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus?

As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place.

Were they put on special diet?

No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta.

Where did the couple live during the pregnancy?

Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta. (Q): Where did the couple live during the pregnancy? (A): Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term.

Where was the wedding performed? of Mary and Joseph?

In the temple there at Carmel.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta. (Q): Where did the couple live during the pregnancy? (A): Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term. (Q): Where was the wedding performed? of Mary and Joseph? (A): In the temple there at Carmel.

Who assisted as midwife?

This has been touched upon through these sources; and as the daughter of the Innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much, in their experiences.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta. (Q): Where did the couple live during the pregnancy? (A): Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term. (Q): Where was the wedding performed? of Mary and Joseph? (A): In the temple there at Carmel. (Q): Who assisted as midwife? (A): This has been touched upon through these sources; and as the daughter of the Innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much, in their experiences.

Who were the parents of Joseph?

That as recorded by Matthew, as is given, you see; one side recorded by Matthew, the other by Luke - these on various sides but of the house of David, as was also Mary of the house of David.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta. (Q): Where did the couple live during the pregnancy? (A): Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term. (Q): Where was the wedding performed? of Mary and Joseph? (A): In the temple there at Carmel. (Q): Who assisted as midwife? (A): This has been touched upon through these sources; and as the daughter of the Innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much, in their experiences. (Q): Who were the parents of Joseph? (A): That as recorded by Matthew, as is given, you see; one side recorded by Matthew, the other by Luke - these on various sides but of the house of David, as was also Mary of the house of David.

Why was he disturbed when Mary became with child while yet a virgin?

Owing to his natural surroundings and because of his advanced age to that of the virgin when she was given; or as would be termed in the present, because of what people say. Yet when assured, you see, that this was the divine, not only by his brethren but by the voice and by those experiences, he knew. For you see there was from the time of the first promise, while she was still yet in training from the choice, there was a period of some three to four years; yet when he went to claim her as the bride, at the period of - or between sixteen and seventeen, she was found with child.

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(Q): At what time after the birth of Jesus did Mary and Joseph take up the normal life of a married couple, and bring forth the issue called James? (A): Ten years. Then they came in succession; James, the daughter, Jude. (Q): Describe the training and preparation of the group of maidens. (A): Trained as to physical exercise first, trained as to mental exercises as related to chastity, purity, love, patience, endurance. All of these by what would be termed by many in the present as persecutions, but as tests for physical and mental strength; and this under the supervision of those that cared for the nourishments by the protection in the food values. These were the manners and the way they were trained, directed, protected. (Q): Do we celebrate Christmas at approximately the right time? (A): Not a great variation, for there having been the many changes in the accounting of time, or accounting for the periods from the various times when time is counted - not far wrong - twenty-fourth, twenty-fifth of December, as ye have your time now. (Q): Give a detailed description for literary purposes, of the choosing of Mary on the temple steps. (A): The temple steps - or those that led to the altar, these were called the temple steps. These were those upon which the sun shone as it arose of a morning when there were the first periods of the chosen maidens going to the altar for prayer; as well as for the burning of the incense. On this day, as they mounted the steps all were bathed in the morning sun; which not only made a beautiful picture but clothed all as in purple and gold. As Mary reached the top step, then, then there were the thunder and lightning, and the angel led the way, taking the child by the hand before the altar. This was the manner of choice, this was the showing of the way; for she led the others on THIS particular day. (Q): How old was Joseph at the time of the marriage? (A): Thirty-six. (Q): How old was Mary at the time of the marriage? (A): Sixteen. (Q): How old was Mary at the time she was chosen? (A): Four; and, as ye would call, between twelve and thirteen when designated as the one chosen by the angel on the stair. (Q): How were the maidens selected and by whom? (A): By all of those who chose to give those that were perfect in body and in mind for the service; and as Ann - or Anna - gave the same, and in the presentation could not be refused because of the perfectness of body, though many questioned and produced a division because she proclaimed it had been conceived without knowing a man. Thus came the division, yet the others were chosen - each as a representative of the twelve in the various phases that had been or that had made up Israel - or man. (Q): In what manner was Joseph informed of his part in the birth of Jesus? (A): First by Mathias or Judah. Then as this did not coincide with his own feelings, first in a dream and then the direct voice. And whenever the voice, this always is accompanied with odors as well as lights; and oft the description of the lights is the vision, see? (Q): Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct? (A): It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth! (Q): Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father? (A): Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.] (Q): Was Ann prepared for her part in the drama as mother of Mary? (A): Only as in the general, not as specific as Mary after Mary being pointed out. See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say `Impossible!` They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did. Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.] (Q): Was Mary REQUIRED to wait ten years before knowing Joseph? (A): Only, you see, until Jesus went to be taught by others did the normal or natural associations come; not required - it was a choice of them both because of their OWN feelings. But when He was from without the roof and under the protection of those who were the guides (that is, the priests), these associations began then as normal experiences. (Q): Was this the orthodox Jewish temple or the Essene temple? (A): The Essenes, to be sure. Because of the adherence to those visions as proclaimed by Zacharias in the orthodox temple, he (Zacharias) was slain even with his hands upon the horns of the altar. Hence these as were being here protected were in Carmel, while Zacharias was in the temple of Jerusalem. (Q): Were Mary and Joseph known to each other socially before the choosing for them to be man and wife? (A): As would be chosen in a lodge, not as ye would term of visitations; neither as only chosen by the sect or the families. In those periods most of the Jewish families, the arrangements were made by the parents of the contracting parties, you see; while in this - these were not as contracting parties from their families. For Ann and her daughter were questioned as to belonging to any, you see! Then it was not a choice altogether as that they were appointed by the leaders of the sect or of the group or of the lodge or of the church; for this is the church that is called the Catholic now - and is the closest. These were kept then in that way of choice between them, and choice as pointed out by the divine forces. We are through for the present. Copy to Self Ass'n file (Q): Were the parents of John the messenger members of the band which prepared for Jesus? (A): As has just been indicated, Zacharias at first was a member of what you would term the orthodox priesthood. Mary and Elizabeth were members of the Essenes, you see; and for this very reason Zacharias kept Elizabeth in the mountains and in the hills. Yet when there was the announcing of the birth and Zacharias proclaimed his belief, the murder, the death took place. (Q): Were they put on special diet? (A): No wine, no fermented drink ever given. Special foods, yes. These were kept balanced according to that which had been first set by Aran [Aaron? See Leviticus 10:9 and 11:1--47] and Ra Ta. (Q): Where did the couple live during the pregnancy? (A): Mary spent the most of the time in the hills of Judea, portion of the time with Joseph in Nazareth. From there they went to Bethlehem to be taxed, or to register - as ye would term. (Q): Where was the wedding performed? of Mary and Joseph? (A): In the temple there at Carmel. (Q): Who assisted as midwife? (A): This has been touched upon through these sources; and as the daughter of the Innkeeper and those about assisted and aided, these have seen the glory, much, in their experiences. (Q): Who were the parents of Joseph? (A): That as recorded by Matthew, as is given, you see; one side recorded by Matthew, the other by Luke - these on various sides but of the house of David, as was also Mary of the house of David. (Q): Why was he disturbed when Mary became with child while yet a virgin? (A): Owing to his natural surroundings and because of his advanced age to that of the virgin when she was given; or as would be termed in the present, because of what people say. Yet when assured, you see, that this was the divine, not only by his brethren but by the voice and by those experiences, he knew. For you see there was from the time of the first promise, while she was still yet in training from the choice, there was a period of some three to four years; yet when he went to claim her as the bride, at the period of - or between sixteen and seventeen, she was found with child.

You will have before you the entity, Thomas Sugrue, present in this room. You will now continue with the information on the life and history of the Master, beginning now with detail information on the group which was preparing for the coming of the Christ, giving name of group, names of members who figured prominently in the active preparation; relating the signs, symbols and visions which indicated to this group that the time was at hand. You will then answer the questions that may be asked:

Yes, we have the entity here, Thomas Sugrue, with the desire and the purpose for the understanding and knowledge of the physical experience of the Master's in the earth. In those days when there had been more and more of the leaders of the peoples in Carmel - the original place where the school of prophets was established during Elijah's time, Samuel - these were called then Essenes; and those that were students of what ye would call astrology, numerology, phrenology, and those phases of that study of the return of individuals - or incarnation. These were then the reasons that there had been a proclaiming that certain periods were a cycle; and these had been the studies then of Arestole, Enos, Mathias, Judas, and those that were in the care or supervision of the school - as you would term. These having been persecuted by those of the leaders, this first caused that as ye have an interpretation of as the Sadducees, or `There is no resurrection,` or there is no incarnation, which is what it meant in those periods. In the lead of these, with those changes that had been as the promptings from the positions of the stars - that stand as it were in the dividing of the ways between the universal, that is the common vision of the solar system of the sun, and those from without the spheres - or as the common name, the North Star, as its variation made for those cycles that would be incoordinant with those changes that had been determined by some - this began the preparation - for the three hundred years, as has been given, in this period. Those in charge at the time were Mathias, Enos, Judas. In these signs then was the new cycle, that as was then - as we have in the astrological - the beginning of the Piscean age, or that position of the Polar Star or North Star as related to the southern clouds. These made for the signs, these made for the symbols; as would be the sign as used, the manner of the sign's approach and the like. These then were the beginnings, and these were those that were made a part of the studies during that period. Then there were again those soundings - that is, the approach of that which had been handed down and had been the experiences from the sages of old - that an angel was to speak. As this occurred when there was the choosing of the mate that had - as in only the thought of those so close - been immaculately conceived, these brought to the focal point the preparation of the mother. Then when there were those periods when there was the dumbness to the priest and he, Zacharias, was slain for his repeating of same in the hearing of those of his own school, these made for those fears that made the necessary preparations for the wedding, the preparations for the birth, the preparations for those activities for the preservation (physically) of the child; or the flight into Egypt. Ready for questions.

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In which instance did Jesus stoop and write?

In each; in each of these. In one that written was as given, `Medi (?) Medici (?) [Cui?]` or the expression of mercy and not sacrifice which showed to those that looked on the individual awakening of the entity. In the other that written was that which made the accusers recognize their OWN activities.

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(Q): In which instance did Jesus stoop and write? (A): In each; in each of these. In one that written was as given, `Medi (?) Medici (?) [Cui?]` or the expression of mercy and not sacrifice which showed to those that looked on the individual awakening of the entity. In the other that written was that which made the accusers recognize their OWN activities.

Is there any other history of the period that we may have at this point?

Which portion is sought? We have most all of it here! Most any portion may be given! The incident about which the last information was given, [1436] through this channel, occurred AFTER there had been the reuniting of Martha, Lazarus and Mary; while the first incident [295] occurred in the earlier portions of His ministry. For as given, the incident of Magdala [295] - or Mary the sister of Martha - occurred when the individual had set about what would be called now a home for, or a retreat for, those who sought to use and give their bodies to those activities for the indulgences and for the gaining of information of various sorts or natures through such activities of the individuals. But the latter individual, [1436] as we have indicated in that given, was only guilty of SELF indulgence and with the Romans and not those in authority in the various groups or activities. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue ` ` Helene Zentgraf Ass'n file

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(Q): In which instance did Jesus stoop and write? (A): In each; in each of these. In one that written was as given, `Medi (?) Medici (?) [Cui?]` or the expression of mercy and not sacrifice which showed to those that looked on the individual awakening of the entity. In the other that written was that which made the accusers recognize their OWN activities. (Q): Is there any other history of the period that we may have at this point? (A): Which portion is sought? We have most all of it here! Most any portion may be given! The incident about which the last information was given, [1436] through this channel, occurred AFTER there had been the reuniting of Martha, Lazarus and Mary; while the first incident [295] occurred in the earlier portions of His ministry. For as given, the incident of Magdala [295] - or Mary the sister of Martha - occurred when the individual had set about what would be called now a home for, or a retreat for, those who sought to use and give their bodies to those activities for the indulgences and for the gaining of information of various sorts or natures through such activities of the individuals. But the latter individual, [1436] as we have indicated in that given, was only guilty of SELF indulgence and with the Romans and not those in authority in the various groups or activities. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue ` ` Helene Zentgraf Ass'n file

Which one was [1436]?

The one taken in the act with the Roman soldiery, and questioned by the Sadducee peoples; while the other [295] was the sister of Martha, and hence the associate (or cohort) of those that were the disciples or Apostles later.

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(Q): In which instance did Jesus stoop and write? (A): In each; in each of these. In one that written was as given, `Medi (?) Medici (?) [Cui?]` or the expression of mercy and not sacrifice which showed to those that looked on the individual awakening of the entity. In the other that written was that which made the accusers recognize their OWN activities. (Q): Is there any other history of the period that we may have at this point? (A): Which portion is sought? We have most all of it here! Most any portion may be given! The incident about which the last information was given, [1436] through this channel, occurred AFTER there had been the reuniting of Martha, Lazarus and Mary; while the first incident [295] occurred in the earlier portions of His ministry. For as given, the incident of Magdala [295] - or Mary the sister of Martha - occurred when the individual had set about what would be called now a home for, or a retreat for, those who sought to use and give their bodies to those activities for the indulgences and for the gaining of information of various sorts or natures through such activities of the individuals. But the latter individual, [1436] as we have indicated in that given, was only guilty of SELF indulgence and with the Romans and not those in authority in the various groups or activities. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue ` ` Helene Zentgraf Ass'n file (Q): Which one was [1436]? (A): The one taken in the act with the Roman soldiery, and questioned by the Sadducee peoples; while the other [295] was the sister of Martha, and hence the associate (or cohort) of those that were the disciples or Apostles later.

You will have before you the period of the life of the Master as Jesus in Palestine, especially as related to incident of the woman taken in adultery, John 8:3-11; in which Jesus asked the one without sin to cast the first stone and then stooped and wrote on the ground. Also consider in relation to this the information given through this channel for [295] on August 31, 1933 describing this incident and also the information given for [1436] on August 30, 1937 which seems to describe the same incident. Please clarify this seeming duplication. Answer questions.

Yes, we have the period that is indicated in the experience of the earth, of the temple, of the peoples; and that as related to the individuals whose experiences were in that portion of that period. In the interpretations, all the conditions that surrounded the period should be taken into consideration. The variations in those particular incidents are apparently the same, yet the individuality is different in the two incidents. Those were periods when there were those who questioned the Master as in the sect of the Pharisees. There were those who questioned when they were led by the Sadducees. There were others when questioned by those in the Roman authority. There were, then, two individual experiences when He was questioned as to the law as related to that given by Moses respecting those taken in adultery. The one about which the first information was given was the associate of John and James; while the last one was the associate of the Roman soldiery. And the questions in each instance were by the different sects of peoples. These are overlapping in the records that are given (or that you have); though in the original they are given as two different experiences. 9. Ready for questions.

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Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross?

Two.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two.

John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam?

In the same manner of beginning, yes.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes.

Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.`

The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father.

Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.`

That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father. (Q): Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.` (A): That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world.

What changes had to take place in the physical body of Jesus to become a glorified spiritual body?

The passing of the material life into the spiritual life brought the GLORIFIED body; thus enabling the PERFECT body to be materialized in material life - a GLORIFIED body made perfect!

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father. (Q): Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.` (A): That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world. (Q): What changes had to take place in the physical body of Jesus to become a glorified spiritual body? (A): The passing of the material life into the spiritual life brought the GLORIFIED body; thus enabling the PERFECT body to be materialized in material life - a GLORIFIED body made perfect!

What was the form that seemed to be made up of light, that appeared [to me, Florence Edmonds] in the room at the close of the meditation preceding this Reading, and the meaning of same?

The attuning of self to the high vibrations of love and life and joy - and is but that which heals and keeps peace among men.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father. (Q): Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.` (A): That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world. (Q): What changes had to take place in the physical body of Jesus to become a glorified spiritual body? (A): The passing of the material life into the spiritual life brought the GLORIFIED body; thus enabling the PERFECT body to be materialized in material life - a GLORIFIED body made perfect! (Q): What was the form that seemed to be made up of light, that appeared [to me, Florence Edmonds] in the room at the close of the meditation preceding this Reading, and the meaning of same? (A): The attuning of self to the high vibrations of love and life and joy - and is but that which heals and keeps peace among men.

Who is giving this discourse?

Are ye curious? Are ye serious? Look within self. We are through.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father. (Q): Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.` (A): That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world. (Q): What changes had to take place in the physical body of Jesus to become a glorified spiritual body? (A): The passing of the material life into the spiritual life brought the GLORIFIED body; thus enabling the PERFECT body to be materialized in material life - a GLORIFIED body made perfect! (Q): What was the form that seemed to be made up of light, that appeared [to me, Florence Edmonds] in the room at the close of the meditation preceding this Reading, and the meaning of same? (A): The attuning of self to the high vibrations of love and life and joy - and is but that which heals and keeps peace among men. (Q): Who is giving this discourse? (A): Are ye curious? Are ye serious? Look within self. We are through.

Who were the women at the Cross?

Many were there. Those of his own household, Mary Magdalene, the mother of John and James, and those who were of that whole group were among the women at the Cross.

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(Q): Are any of the women here (in this room) who were at the Cross? (A): Two. (Q): John 21:25. Does this verse have reference to the beginning as Adam? (A): In the same manner of beginning, yes. (Q): Please explain John 19:34, ` - forthwith came out blood and water.` (A): The fulfilling of `Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.` Hence His blood was shed as the sacrifice of the just for the unjust, that ye all may stand in the same light with the Father. (Q): Please explain: `He breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost.` (A): That change of doubt and fear which arose in the minds and hearts of those gathered in that room. For the fear of the interpreting of the phenomenon being experienced, He breathed. As the breath of life was breathed into the body of the man, see, so breathed He that of love and hope into the experience of those who were to become witnesses of Him in the material world. (Q): What changes had to take place in the physical body of Jesus to become a glorified spiritual body? (A): The passing of the material life into the spiritual life brought the GLORIFIED body; thus enabling the PERFECT body to be materialized in material life - a GLORIFIED body made perfect! (Q): What was the form that seemed to be made up of light, that appeared [to me, Florence Edmonds] in the room at the close of the meditation preceding this Reading, and the meaning of same? (A): The attuning of self to the high vibrations of love and life and joy - and is but that which heals and keeps peace among men. (Q): Who is giving this discourse? (A): Are ye curious? Are ye serious? Look within self. We are through. (Q): Who were the women at the Cross? (A): Many were there. Those of his own household, Mary Magdalene, the mother of John and James, and those who were of that whole group were among the women at the Cross.

You will have before you members of the Glad Helpers, and others, present in this room, desirous of a discourse to be given by the Master Jesus the Christ, Himself, on His Last Week, from the Triumphal Entry into Jerusalem and including the Resurrection Morn; giving that which will be helpful to the group and to others through its use in the Association Bulletin. You will then answer any questions which may be asked:

Yes, we have the members present here, and their desire. This may be given by an observer of that period, in the present. In considering that which materially passed through the minds of the followers of the Master, Jesus, and those experiences leading to the way of the Cross: The decisive point in Peraea [?] [Berea?] was the more trying even than the trial; and then those periods of taking leave after the establishing of the emblems as His body and blood, as a ritual for those who would honor and bring to remembrance those experiences through which each soul passes in putting on the whole armor of the Christ. [See 5749-10, Par. R2 verifying Berea.] In those days preceding the entry into Jerusalem, we find those periods of much disturbance among the disciples who were of Galilee and those who were of the Judean ministry. These were in disputations as to what was to take place when He, Jesus, was to go to Jerusalem. Yet He chose to go, entering through the period of rest at Bethany with Mary, Martha, Lazarus; and THERE the triumphal entry and the message that was given to those throngs gathered there. The next period we find in the upper chamber with the disciples, and the humbleness that was manifested. Though He was their leader, their prophet, their Lord, their Master, He signified - through the humbleness of the act - the attitude to which each would come if he would know that true relationship with his God, his fellow man. Those periods in the garden - these become that in which the great trial is shown, and the seeming indifference and the feeling of the loss of one in whom trust and hope had been given; and the fulfilling of all that had been in the purpose and the desire in the entrance into the world. The trial - this was not with the pangs of pain as so oft indicated, but rather glorying in the opportunity of taking upon self that which would RIGHT man's relationship to the Father - in that man, through his free will, had brought sin into the activities of the children of God. Here HIS SON was bringing redemption through the shedding of blood that they might be free. Here the law of love, of causation, of mercy, of justice, of all that makes for self becoming in the at-onement relationship, of filling the purposes for which one is called in materiality, becomes the activity of Him that is free indeed. Thus in the hour of sacrifice, material, mental and spiritual relationships are attained and considered in His every word. In those periods of transition from `It is finished,` comes that which is to each heart the determination that it, too, may know the blessed hope that comes in seeing, knowing, experiencing the Cross in the heart, the body, the mind. The period of resurrection - here we find that in which ye ALL may glory. For without the fact of His overcoming death, the whole of the experience would have been as naught. Then may ye as seekers of the way, may ye that have come seeking to know, to experience, to FEEL that presence of the Christ-Consciousness within thine own breast, within thine own experience, OPEN the door of thy heart! For He stands ready to enter, to those who will bid Him enter. He comes not unbidden, but as ye seek ye find; as ye knock it is opened. As ye live the life is the awareness of His closeness, of His presence, thine. Then, again as He gave, `Love ye one another,` thus fulfilling ALL that is in the purpose of His entrance into materiality; to replace hate and jealousy and those things that make one afraid, with love and hope and joy. So be ye then as His children - those that show joy and gladness in the lives, the experiences, the hearts, the minds of those ye meet day by day; thus becoming indeed brethren with Him, in that He gave Himself as a ransom for all, that whosoever will may take THEIR cross and THROUGH Him know the joy of entering into that realm of replacing jealousy and hate and selfishness with love and with joy and with gladness. Be ye glad. Be ye joyous when those things come to be thy lot that should or would disturb the material-minded. Like Him, look up, lift up thy heart, thy mind unto the Giver of all good and perfect gifts; and cry aloud even as He, `My God, my God! Be Thou near unto me!` In this, as ye raise then thy voice to Him, ye may be sure He will answer, `Here am I - be not afraid. For as the Father hath sent me, so come I into thy heart and life to bring gladness, that there may be life more abundant in thy experience.` Then, be ye GLAD in Him. Ready for questions.

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Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.]

As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good.

How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled?

In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY!

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY!

In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction?

HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file

Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.]

As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface.

Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time?

We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface. (Q): Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time? (A): We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself.

Should an appendix consisting of readings, letters, affidavits, photographs and other such evidence be added?

As just given, indicate that such are available, but with the question, and with the pointing to the data as a hopeful experience of the seeker. Much of that same air that is presented, indicated, in the manner in which there is the seeking from one or the many, or the all who have a faith, a hope, grounded in that of SPIRITUALITY - not isms of any nature; and what that presented by students, seekers, laymen, physicians of any and every school, creates in the mind. As is presented in Father McLaughlin.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface. (Q): Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time? (A): We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself. (Q): Should an appendix consisting of readings, letters, affidavits, photographs and other such evidence be added? (A): As just given, indicate that such are available, but with the question, and with the pointing to the data as a hopeful experience of the seeker. Much of that same air that is presented, indicated, in the manner in which there is the seeking from one or the many, or the all who have a faith, a hope, grounded in that of SPIRITUALITY - not isms of any nature; and what that presented by students, seekers, laymen, physicians of any and every school, creates in the mind. As is presented in Father McLaughlin.

Should the manuscript be submitted to this source at various stages of its completion, or only when it is done?

This should be RATHER the decision of the writer, as to whether there are the needs for assurance. In the mind, this given is taking shape. Use it in that manner as would be expected of, or is counseled to others who would seek aid. For in the presenting, there will be many individual instances where first the confusion will be indicated, or curiosity, yet an atom of hope; and then, little by little, the awakening to the possibilities of self receiving that necessary impetus to become aware of that presence which may abide in all. This should be done without becoming too much of a philosophizing from an eccleiastical manner, but just that expressed in `A new commandment I give, that ye love one another.` So in the seeking for SELF, in the handling of the subject, or the data, use same just in the manner ye would indicate for others to do.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface. (Q): Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time? (A): We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself. (Q): Should an appendix consisting of readings, letters, affidavits, photographs and other such evidence be added? (A): As just given, indicate that such are available, but with the question, and with the pointing to the data as a hopeful experience of the seeker. Much of that same air that is presented, indicated, in the manner in which there is the seeking from one or the many, or the all who have a faith, a hope, grounded in that of SPIRITUALITY - not isms of any nature; and what that presented by students, seekers, laymen, physicians of any and every school, creates in the mind. As is presented in Father McLaughlin. (Q): Should the manuscript be submitted to this source at various stages of its completion, or only when it is done? (A): This should be RATHER the decision of the writer, as to whether there are the needs for assurance. In the mind, this given is taking shape. Use it in that manner as would be expected of, or is counseled to others who would seek aid. For in the presenting, there will be many individual instances where first the confusion will be indicated, or curiosity, yet an atom of hope; and then, little by little, the awakening to the possibilities of self receiving that necessary impetus to become aware of that presence which may abide in all. This should be done without becoming too much of a philosophizing from an eccleiastical manner, but just that expressed in `A new commandment I give, that ye love one another.` So in the seeking for SELF, in the handling of the subject, or the data, use same just in the manner ye would indicate for others to do.

Should this be written now, in preference to the book `The Coming Age of Faith In America`? [See 5749-11, Par. R2.]

As we find, this written now may aid the entity in attaining the better concept of a presentation of the coming age; as, such as may be presented IS a key to such.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface. (Q): Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time? (A): We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself. (Q): Should an appendix consisting of readings, letters, affidavits, photographs and other such evidence be added? (A): As just given, indicate that such are available, but with the question, and with the pointing to the data as a hopeful experience of the seeker. Much of that same air that is presented, indicated, in the manner in which there is the seeking from one or the many, or the all who have a faith, a hope, grounded in that of SPIRITUALITY - not isms of any nature; and what that presented by students, seekers, laymen, physicians of any and every school, creates in the mind. As is presented in Father McLaughlin. (Q): Should the manuscript be submitted to this source at various stages of its completion, or only when it is done? (A): This should be RATHER the decision of the writer, as to whether there are the needs for assurance. In the mind, this given is taking shape. Use it in that manner as would be expected of, or is counseled to others who would seek aid. For in the presenting, there will be many individual instances where first the confusion will be indicated, or curiosity, yet an atom of hope; and then, little by little, the awakening to the possibilities of self receiving that necessary impetus to become aware of that presence which may abide in all. This should be done without becoming too much of a philosophizing from an eccleiastical manner, but just that expressed in `A new commandment I give, that ye love one another.` So in the seeking for SELF, in the handling of the subject, or the data, use same just in the manner ye would indicate for others to do. (Q): Should this be written now, in preference to the book `The Coming Age of Faith In America`? [See 5749-11, Par. R2.] (A): As we find, this written now may aid the entity in attaining the better concept of a presentation of the coming age; as, such as may be presented IS a key to such.

What publisher would be best for this work?

This as we find will be sought by more than one. Let it pass through the channels that are opened for such in the present. But do NOT accept Simon & Shuster's offer.

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(Q): Can any criticism be given on the completed manuscript of the novel, `First Communion`? [See 5749-11, Par. R3.] (A): As from the mind of the individual, the entity, the writer here - the only criticism would appear from some confusion in the continuity of the experiences of the individual characters. But as a whole, with some deletions as will appear, this is good. (Q): How should the Texas and hospital periods of this story be handled? (A): In the same manner of the questioning, as to the desires of individuals with ideas, without the ideal, - which IS the song or the text of the whole presentation; that those seeking must have an ideal, and an attunement to purpose, hope, and SINCERITY! (Q): In seeking to make himself a channel for the expression of truth in song and story, is the entity now working in the right direction? (A): HOLD FAST to that thou hast in hope, in faith, in purpose - and ye will feel and see and know that He is pleased with thy efforts. We are through. Copy to Self ` ` Wife Ass'n file (Q): Please examine and criticize the outline for `There Is A River`, held in my hand. [See 5749-11, Par. R1.] (A): As to the outline, it is, as we find, very good. However, we would give that the air [deportment, mien, manner, pervading influence, etc.], the purpose in writing such data, should be kept - more than the outline here indicates - in that same tone, or tension, as indicated in the preface [See 5749-11, Par. B1]. That is - EVER the question, yet indicating from every phase of the experiences the hope, the help, the activity created in the mind, the experience, of the individuals so treated or suggested to. And in the end, not so much data as proofs, but the character of each varied phase of human experience indicated - as to the types of varied conditions through which help and aid and hope came. Then - saying rather the number, or the approximate number of each character of individual help given, with the assertion of how many proofs are in hand; still the questioning to the end. That the data as presented may not be just another set of experiences, stress throughout rather the hope, the help, the desire, the activity created - in the same manner as indicated in the preface. (Q): Please examine the outline of projects for the American Magazine, held in my hand, and advise me which it would be best to push at this time? (A): We find that these each have their place in the experiences of individuals in the present. But rather be guided by that impulse, that intuitive force, that spirit of desire to present each phase in the way and manner as it presents itself. (Q): Should an appendix consisting of readings, letters, affidavits, photographs and other such evidence be added? (A): As just given, indicate that such are available, but with the question, and with the pointing to the data as a hopeful experience of the seeker. Much of that same air that is presented, indicated, in the manner in which there is the seeking from one or the many, or the all who have a faith, a hope, grounded in that of SPIRITUALITY - not isms of any nature; and what that presented by students, seekers, laymen, physicians of any and every school, creates in the mind. As is presented in Father McLaughlin. (Q): Should the manuscript be submitted to this source at various stages of its completion, or only when it is done? (A): This should be RATHER the decision of the writer, as to whether there are the needs for assurance. In the mind, this given is taking shape. Use it in that manner as would be expected of, or is counseled to others who would seek aid. For in the presenting, there will be many individual instances where first the confusion will be indicated, or curiosity, yet an atom of hope; and then, little by little, the awakening to the possibilities of self receiving that necessary impetus to become aware of that presence which may abide in all. This should be done without becoming too much of a philosophizing from an eccleiastical manner, but just that expressed in `A new commandment I give, that ye love one another.` So in the seeking for SELF, in the handling of the subject, or the data, use same just in the manner ye would indicate for others to do. (Q): Should this be written now, in preference to the book `The Coming Age of Faith In America`? [See 5749-11, Par. R2.] (A): As we find, this written now may aid the entity in attaining the better concept of a presentation of the coming age; as, such as may be presented IS a key to such. (Q): What publisher would be best for this work? (A): This as we find will be sought by more than one. Let it pass through the channels that are opened for such in the present. But do NOT accept Simon & Shuster's offer.

You will have before you the body and enquiring mind of Thomas Sugrue, present in this room, who seeks at this time guidance and advice concerning his mind and the works of writing it is preparing to do. You will answer the questions he may ask concerning same.

Yes, we have the body, the enquiring mind, Thomas Sugrue, present in this room. Ready for questions.

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On this Easter day of 1940 we seek a discourse on the significance of the Resurrection of Jesus, the Christ.

In giving that as might be significant in the experiences of those present, it is well that there be considered those conditions which exist in the world of thought, as well as in the political and economic situations throughout the world - if there is to be a practical application of the significance of the resurrection of Jesus, the Christ. The life, the death, the resurrection of Jesus are as facts, in the hearts and minds of those here. The resurrection of Jesus, the Christ, is a significant fact to each individual only according to how he applies same (as it is significant to him) in his daily life, experience and conversation with his fellow man. Then, in a material world - a world of hate, of divided opinions - what is the course that you each will pursue, in relationships to your fellow men? Is it the course outlined by the tenets, the principles which He, the Teacher of teachers gave as respecting the manner of life, of activity, that you each would give in your dealings and relationships with your fellow men? We know, and only need to be reminded, that the whole law is in Him. For, as He gave that which is the basis, the principle, of the intent and desire and purpose which should prompt our activity, so we in our own world - as we live, as we speak, as we pray - are to let it be in that tempo, in that way and manner which was prompted by Him, as He taught His disciples how to pray. Then, as we analyze this prayer in our experience, we see what the life, the death, the resurrection of Jesus, the Christ - who is the way, the truth, the light - must mean in this period in the experience of man. Think not that He, God, will be mocked. For, whatsoever a man soweth, that must he also reap. This was truly exemplified in the life of the Man of Galilee. For, in Him we all live, we all move, we all die. So, in Him we are all made alive. Then: Put away hate, malice, jealousy, or the taking sides with any that stir up strife. Be ye rather on the Lord's side - knowing that no man is in any position of power or might save by the will of the Father, that there may be fulfilled that which has been promised of Him, by Him, and through that advent of the man Jesus into a material world. Then, as ye meditate upon the meaning of the resurrection of this man of God - know that the way is open to thee to approach the throne of God; not as an excuse, not as a justification, but rather in love, in harmony, in that which brings hope for a sin-sick world. Each individual, then, may act, may live, may pray - in his or her own little sphere of activity - in such a manner as to bring peace and harmony, even among those who APPEAR to be at variance to the cause of the Christ in the material world. Let not thy heart be troubled, then. Ye believe in God; believe also in Him - who came to bring peace, and the way to the Father, exemplifying same in the ability to take away death - that is as sin in the experience of man. And thus may he (man) indeed love the Lord with all his heart, and his neighbor as himself. We are through.

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You will have before you the desire of those present here to secure at this time an Easter message which may be an inspiration and a help to those to whom it is presented. You will consider the intention of those present to pass this discourse on to others, and give that which will be most helpful now.

In man's experience in the earth there comes those periods of doubt and fear, and of the loss of hope. Then to all such there should be the reminding of that Easter Morn; and as to what it has meant and does mean in the hearts and minds of those who have and do put their trust in Jesus, the Christ. There should be the reminding that - though He bowed under the burden of the Cross, though His blood was shed, though He entered into the tomb - through that power, that ability, that love as manifested in Himself among His fellow men He broke the bonds of death; proclaiming in that act that THERE IS NO DEATH when the individual, the soul, has and does put its trust in Him. Thus in this hour of despair throughout the world, when those activities are such as to indicate hate, injustice, tyranny, desire to enslave or to impel others to submit to the dictates of this or that power - let all take heart and know that this, too, as the hour upon Calvary, must pass away; and that as upon the wings of the morning there comes that new hope, that new desire, to the hearts and minds of all who seek to know His face. This must begin within thine own heart. Then, let all so examine their hearts and minds as to put away doubt and fear; putting away hate and malice, jealousy and those things that cause man to err. Replace these with the desire to help, with hope, with the willingness to divide self and self's surroundings with those who are less fortunate; putting on the whole armor of God - in righteousness. Magnify in the daily life the fruit of the spirit of truth, that all may take hold and make for that activity in their lives; knowing that as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren ye do it to thy Maker. Meditate oft upon what it has meant, does mean today, to CRUCIFY the Lord thy God in thy daily experiences. Rather magnify, glorify Him in every word, every activity, in all thy dealings with thy fellow man. By thy very step, by thy very look, by thy word, create HOPE in the hearts, minds and lives of others. Make it SURE in thy OWN heart, for there - to thee - is the beginning and the end. For He is mindful of thee, and He has promised that whosoever will may come and take of the cup that He partook of; that through Him we may be SURE in OUR hopes, OUR responses to the needs of the world at this sad changing hour. Let that mind ever be in thee as was in Him as He offered Himself up: `Father, forgive them - they know not what they do. Father, it is finished - I come to thee. Give Thou thy servant that glory which Thou hast promised.` Live that in thy life, thy conversation, thy activity everywhere; and indeed then may each in that manner bear a real Easter message to others. For He hath entrusted to thee - those that love Him - the redemption of the world, to make known His willingness, His care, His promises that may be the activity of each and every soul. Then, let not your heart be troubled; ye believe in God - believe in Him, who has promised that `If ye will love me and keep my commandments, I will come and abide with thee - for, Lo, I am with thee always.` His commandments are not grievous; just being kind, just being patient, just being longsuffering with thy problems, thy turmoils, thy strifes. Through that ability to make Himself one with the Father, He has gained that right, that honor to declare Himself unto as many as will harken. Let thy light, then, shine ever in the dark, in the light; in the sorrow, in the gladness of thy purpose, of thy desire; that He may be glorified even as He asks of the Father. Ye - each of ye, as individuals - may do this. So ye, as ye come into His presence, may be given `Well done, thou good and faithful brother - enter into the joy of thy Lord.` 18. We are through for the present.

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Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development?

Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies?

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies?

Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality?

Correct.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct.

Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one?

Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.

Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system?

In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.

Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma?

Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no.

Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents?

Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh.

Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent?

It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent.

Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters?

Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file

Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished?

If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?

Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began.

First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see? (Q): Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began. (A): First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus.

Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God?

Correct. That's the idea exactly!

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see? (Q): Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began. (A): First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus. (Q): Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God? (A): Correct. That's the idea exactly!

Should this be described as a voluntary mission One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planes and systems?

Correct.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see? (Q): Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began. (A): First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus. (Q): Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God? (A): Correct. That's the idea exactly! (Q): Should this be described as a voluntary mission One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planes and systems? (A): Correct.

The eighth problem concerns the pattern made by parents at conception. Should it be said that this pattern attracts a certain soul because it approximates conditions which that soul wishes to work with?

It approximates conditions. It does not set. For, the individual entity or soul, given the opportunity, has its own free will to work in or out of those problems as presented by that very union. Yet the very union, of course, attracts or brings a channel or an opportunity for the expression of an individual entity.

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see? (Q): Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began. (A): First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus. (Q): Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God? (A): Correct. That's the idea exactly! (Q): Should this be described as a voluntary mission One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planes and systems? (A): Correct. (Q): The eighth problem concerns the pattern made by parents at conception. Should it be said that this pattern attracts a certain soul because it approximates conditions which that soul wishes to work with? (A): It approximates conditions. It does not set. For, the individual entity or soul, given the opportunity, has its own free will to work in or out of those problems as presented by that very union. Yet the very union, of course, attracts or brings a channel or an opportunity for the expression of an individual entity.

The eleventh problem concerns a parallel with Christianity. Is Gnosticism the closest type of Christianity to that which is given through this source?

This is a parallel, and was the commonly accepted one until there began to be set rules in which there were the attempts to take short cuts. And there are none in Christianity!

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(Q): Are hereditary, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity's development? (A): Will is the greater factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the pattern, see? For, no influence of heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies? (Q): Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it wished to work upon - i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality? (A): Correct. (Q): Can oneness be attained - or the finish of evolution reached - on any system, or must it be in a particular one? (A): Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems. (Q): Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system? (A): In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes. (Q): Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents' karma? (A): Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no. (Q): Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents? (A): Just as indicated, it is relative - as one related to another; and because of the union of activities they are brought in the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn't change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made crucified even in the flesh. (Q): Is the average fulfillment of the soul's expectation more or less than fifty percent? (A): It's a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty percent. (Q): Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters? (A): Hold fast to that ideal, and using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that NECESSITY for each to meet the same problems. And DO NOT attempt to shed or to surpass or go around the Cross. THIS is that upon which each and every soul MUST look and know it is to be borne in self WITH Him. We are through for the present. Copy to Thomas Sugrue Ass'n file (Q): Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished? (A): If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same - and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see? (Q): Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, and of Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began. (A): First, in the beginning, of course; and then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth of Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus. (Q): Should the Christ-Consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul's oneness with God? (A): Correct. That's the idea exactly! (Q): Should this be described as a voluntary mission One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planes and systems? (A): Correct. (Q): The eighth problem concerns the pattern made by parents at conception. Should it be said that this pattern attracts a certain soul because it approximates conditions which that soul wishes to work with? (A): It approximates conditions. It does not set. For, the individual entity or soul, given the opportunity, has its own free will to work in or out of those problems as presented by that very union. Yet the very union, of course, attracts or brings a channel or an opportunity for the expression of an individual entity. (Q): The eleventh problem concerns a parallel with Christianity. Is Gnosticism the closest type of Christianity to that which is given through this source? (A): This is a parallel, and was the commonly accepted one until there began to be set rules in which there were the attempts to take short cuts. And there are none in Christianity!

The fifth problem concerns an explanation of the Life Readings. From a study of these it seems that there is a trend downward, from early incarnations, toward greater earthliness and less mentality. Then there is a swing upward, accompanied by suffering, patience, and understanding. Is this the normal pattern, which results in virtue and oneness with God obtained by free will and mind?

This is correct. It is the pattern as it is set in Him.

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