hacking

	==Phrack Magazine==

	Volume Four, Issue Forty-Three, File 18 of 27

	The LOD Communications Underground H/P BBS Message Base Project:
	Price Listing of Currently Available Message Bases and Order Form.
	Holdings List Version #1, 5/15/93


	This file contains:

	- Background information on the project;
	- Currently completed message bases with prices; and,
	- Order form and stipulations.

	If you have already seen some of the background information contained in the
	following paragraphs, note that additional information has been added. The aim
	was to make this file as self-contained as possible. It is approximately seven
	pages in length (23K) and it should answer all of your questions.


	The Project:
	------------

	Throughout history, physical objects have been preserved for posterity for
	the benefit of the next generation of humans. Cyberspace, however, isn't very
	physical; data contained on floppy diskettes has a finite lifetime as does the
	technology to retrieve that data. The earliest underground hacker bulletin
	board systems operated at a time when TRS-80s, Commodore 64s, and Apple ][s
	were state-of-the-art. Today, it is difficult to find anyone who has one of
	these machines in operating condition, not to mention the brain cells left to
	recall how to operate them. :-(

	LOD Communications has created a historical library of the "dark" portion of
	Cyberspace. The project's goal is to acquire as much information as possible
	from underground Hack/Phreak (H/P) bulletin boards that were in operation
	during a decade long period, dating from the beginnings (in 1980/81 with 8BBS
	and MOM: Modem Over Manhattan) to the legendary OSUNY, Plover-NET, Legion of
	Doom!, Metal Shop, etc. up through the Phoenix Project circa 1989/90.
	Currently, messages from over 50 different BBSes have been retrieved, although
	very few message bases are 100% complete. However, not having a complete "set"
	does not diminish their value.


	Who Benefits From This Information?:
	------------------------------------

	- PARTICIPANTS who were on the various H/P BBSes may want to see their
	contribution to history or reminisce about the "golden era" of hacking;

	- ENTHUSIASTS who came into the "scene" after most of these boards were
	down may want to see what they missed;

	- COMPANIES who may want to see if their (or their competitors') phone
	systems, computers, or networks were compromised;

	- SECURITY PROFESSIONALS/LAW ENFORCEMENT who may want to see what
	techniques were used to subvert computer security systems;

	- SCHOOLS AND UNIVERSITIES (including their libraries) who may want to use
	the information for research in sociology or computer science as well as
	for educational purposes in courses such as Computer Law, Computer
	Ethics, and Computer Security;

	- AUTHORS/PRESS who may want to finally get the facts straight about
	"hackers;" and,

	- THE CURIOUS PUBLIC who may want to sneak a peek into the inner realm of
	the Computer Underground, especially those Restricted Access BBSes and
	their Private sub-boards where only a small handful of "the best"
	resided.

	Were the individuals involved in the Computer Underground out to start World
	War III, selling secrets to the Soviets, working with organized crime,
	conspiring to do evil, or just a bunch of bored teenagers with nothing better
	to do? How much did they know, and how did they find it out? Did they have
	the capability to shut down phone service of Area Code portions? Could
	they ruin someone's credit? Could they "move satellites in the heavens?"
	Could they monitor packet switching network conversations or YOUR
	conversations? The answers lie within the messages themselves.


	Why is LODCOM Charging Money For The Message Bases?:
	----------------------------------------------------

	As happens with most projects, the effort and monetary investment turned out
	to be substantially more than originally anticipated. With all of the high-
	tech equipment available today, people sometimes forget that in the early
	1980s, 14.4K baud modems and 250 MB hard drives were just a fantasy for the
	home computer user. Most messages Lodcom has recovered were downloaded at 300
	baud onto 143K disk drives, with each file usually no larger than 15K in size.
	One could not call a BBS and download the complete message base in 10 minutes
	and save it into one file. Literally hundreds of man-hours have been spent
	copying dusty Apple ][ disks, transferring them to IBM (or typing in hard copy
	versions when electronic versions were unavailable), organizing over one
	thousand individual files (thus far) according to what BBS the messages were
	originally posted on, and splicing the files together. Also, after consulting
	with the appropriate civil liberties organizations and our own legal counsel,
	a slight editing of the messages (restricted to long distance access codes,
	phone numbers, and computer passwords) had to be made to ensure that there is
	nothing illegal contained within the messages. Every effort was made to keep
	the messages in their pristine condition: 40 columns, ALL CAPS, spelling
	errors, offensive language, inaccuracies of various kinds, and ALL.

	Although a fairly comprehensive collection of the goings-on during a decade
	of public and private computer underground activity has been accomplished,
	there are more messages out there. It is our wish to continue to document the
	History of the Computer Underground. In order to do this, and in order to
	break even on what resources have already been expended (it is a LOT more than
	most people realize), a dollar value has been attached to each set of message
	bases. The dollar values were kept as low as possible and range from $1.00 to
	$8.00 for each H/P BBS Message Base Set. Without your understanding and
	support, this effort may not be able to sustain itself long enough to complete
	the project. A large portion of any profits will be recycled for two other
	projects in the works, whose aim is to provide additional historical background
	on the Computer Underground Community. That is, no one involved is quitting
	their day job :-)

	One additional note: For those who purchase the Metal Shop Private Message
	Base, 100% of the price ($4.00) will be donated to help pay for Craig Neidorf's
	(Knight Lightning) Legal Defense bills (due to his successful campaign to
	protect First Amendment rights for electronic publishing, i.e. the PHRACK/E911
	case).


	How The Prices Were Determined:
	-------------------------------

	Prices were determined based on the following considerations:

	- The number of years ago that the BBS operated (affected availability);

	- The total number of messages compiled (required more time to compile);

	- Its popularity and message content (anticipated demand);

	- Whether the BBS or portions thereof were deemed "elite" and, therefore,
	restricted access to a small number of users (affected availability);
	and,

	- An additional factor to account for overhead costs such as diskettes,
	diskette mailing containers, postage, time to fill orders, etc.


	What Each "Message Base File" Contains:
	---------------------------------------

	- A two page general message explaining H/P BBS terminology and format.

	- The BBS Pro-Phile: A historical background and description of the BBS
	either written by the original system operator(s) or those who actually
	called the BBS when it was in operation (it took months to track the
	appropriate people down and get them to write these specifically for
	this project; lesser known BBSes may not contain a Pro-Phile);

	- Messages posted to the BBS (i.e. the Message Base);

	- Downloaded Userlists if available; and

	- Hacking tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes" that were on-line if available.


	It is anticipated that most people who are interested in the message bases
	have never heard of a lot of the BBS names shown in the listing. If you have
	seen one set of messages, you have NOT seen them ALL. Each system had a unique
	personality, set of users, and each has something different to offer. If you
	decide to order the minimum, we recommend that you mix a high-priced base
	($7.00 or above) with a couple of medium-priced bases ($4.00 to $6.00) and a
	few lower-priced bases ($1.00 to $3.00). This will provide you with a feel for
	what was happening over a broad range of years and message quality. Of course,
	nothing beats the full set (offered at a discount, see order form).

	Formats the Message Base Files are Available in:
	------------------------------------------------

	Due to the large size of the Message Base Files, they will be compressed
	using the format of your choice. Please note that Lodcom does NOT include the
	compression/decompression program (PKZIP, PAK, etc.). ASCII (decompressed)
	files will be provided for $2.00 extra to cover additional diskette and
	shipping costs. The files are available for:

	- IBM (5.25 or 3.5 inch)
	- AMIGA (3.5 inch)
	- APPLE MACINTOSH (3.5 inch)
	- PAPER versions can be ordered but cost triple (due to increased shipping
	costs, time to print order, and messages being in 40 column format and
	therefore wasting lots of paper...save those trees!). Paper versions
	take twice the time to deliver but are laser printed.

	Orders are expected to arrive at the requesters' physical mail box in 2-4
	weeks upon receipt of the order.


	FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions):
	----------------------------------

	QUESTION: How long will these Message Base Files be available?

	ANSWER: We cannot say for sure. This is an ongoing effort and your support
	will allow us to continue until we are satisfied with having
	recovered the last decent scraps of messages out there. Assuming
	there is a demand for these messages, all H/P BBSes of WORTH (i.e.
	NON-"codez" and NON-"warez" systems) are expected to be offered by
	the end of the Summer of 1993. A Guesstimate of what will be
	offered is 80 to 100 Message Bases, half of which will be rather
	partial. Orders are expected to be filled up until the end of 1993
	although this may change. Regardless, we will send out
	notification well in advance of ceasing operations.

	QUESTION: "Can I help out? I have some old messages" (either on a C64,
	Apple, IBM [best for us], or printout).

	ANSWER: Contact us ASAP! We will work out an equitable agreement depending
	on the quantity, quality, format, and "ancientness" of the
	messages. Your contribution will not go unrecognized.

	QUESTION: Say if I purchase BBS "X" which has 100 messages and the next
	Version of your Price Listing shows BBS "X" now has 200 messages,
	do I have to pay the for the first 100 all over again if I want
	the other 100 messages?

	ANSWER: No. If a small number of additional messages are added, they will
	be sent for the price of a diskette and postage only, i.e. the
	information will be free. If a larger number such as 100 new
	messages are added, then if you previously purchased the message
	base, the additional messages will be discounted. Those who pay
	the Commercial Rate (corporations, government, etc.) will receive
	updates of the purchased Volume for FREE regardless of how many new
	messages there are, and LODCOM also pays for the postage and
	diskette(s).

	QUESTION: What if I purchase the minimum order now and, when the next
	Version of the price list is released, I want to get more Message
	Bases? Do I have to still pay the $20.00 minimum?

	ANSWER: No. If you are a previous customer, the minimum is cut in half,
	that is, $10.00. Commercial customers who bought Volume #1 (the
	current "Complete Set"), are obviously not obligated to purchase
	the added Message Bases (the next Volume).

	QUESTION: I would really like to get a feel for what one or two of the
	boards were like before I order them. Can I get more info?

	ANSWER: Yes. A Sample of Actual Messages is available by performing the
	following, so long as you have TELNET access to the Internet:

	Telnet to: 198.67.3.2 [IP Address for PHANTOM.COM]
	Type: mindvox [To enter the Mindvox system]
	login as: guest [To look around]
	At prompt: finger lodcom [To see our Sample Messages File]

	If you do not have TELNET access to the Internet, AND your host will NOT
	"bounce" a 50K file, Lodcom will send you the Sample Messages File if you
	specifically request it.


	The Price List:
	---------------

	LOD Communications (c) 1993: Price List of Hack/Phreak BBS Message Bases
	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	BBS NAME A/C SYSOP(S) # MSGS DATES KBYTES PRICE
	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	Alliance BBS 618 Phantom Phreaker 113 2/09/86 - 215 $ 3.00 B
	Doom Prophet G,P 6/30/86

	Black Ice Private 703 The Highwayman 880 12/1/88 - 580 $ 7.00 B
	P,U 5/13/89

	Broadway Show/ 718 Broadway Hacker 180 9/29/85 - 99 $ 3.00 B
	Radio Station BBS 12/27/85

	CIA BBS 201 CIA Director 30 5/02/84 - 30 $ 1.00
	6/08/84

	C.O.P.S. 305 Mr. Byte-Zap 227 11/5/83 - 196 $ 4.00 B
	The Mechanic G,R,U 7/16/84

	Face To Face 713 Montressor 572 11/26/90 - 400 $ 2.00 B
	Doc Holiday * 12/26/90

	Farmers Of Doom 303 Mark Tabas 41 2/20/85 - 124 $ 2.00 B
	G 3/01/85

	Forgotten Realm 618 Crimson Death 166 3/08/88 - 163 $ 3.00 B
	4/24/88

	Legion Of Doom! 305 Lex Luthor 194 3/19/84 - 283 $ 6.00 B
	Paul Muad'Dib * G,P,U 11/24/84

	Metal Shop Private 314 Taran King 520 4/03/86 - 380 $ 4.00 BD
	Knight Lightning P,R,U 5/06/87

	OSUNY 914 Tom Tone 375 7/9/82 - 368 $ 8.00 B
	Milo Phonbil * G,U 4/9/83

	Phoenix Project 512 The Mentor 1118 7/13/88 - 590 $ 4.00 B
	Erik Bloodaxe * G,R 2/07/90

	Plover-NET 516 Quasi Moto 346 1/14/84 - 311 $ 5.00 B
	Lex Luthor * G 5/04/84

	Safehouse 612 Apple Bandit 269 9/15/83 - 251 $ 4.00 B
	G,U 5/17/84

	Sherwood Forest I 212 Magnetic Surfer 92 5/01/84 - 85 $ 2.00 B
	P,U 5/30/84

	Sherwood Forest ][ 914 Creative Cracker 100 4/06/84 - 239 $ 3.00 B
	Bioc Agent 003 * G 7/02/84

	Split Infinity 408 Blue Adept 52 12/21/83 - 36 $ 1.00 B
	1/21/84

	Twilight Phone ??? System Lord 17 9/21/82 - 24 $ 1.00
	1/09/83

	Twilight Zone/ 203 The Marauder 108 2/06/85 - 186 $ 3.00 B
	Septic Tank Safe Cracker * G,U 7/24/86

	WOPR 617 Terminal Man 307 5/15/84 - 266 $ 6.00 B
	The Minute Man * G,U 1/12/85
	_____________________________________________________________________________

	NOTES: In SYSOP(S) column, * indicates remote sysop.

	In #msgs column, P indicates that the BBS was Private, R indicates BBS
	was public but restricted access sub-board(s) are included, G indicates
	that SOME (or maybe all) of the G-files written by the sysop and/or
	files that were available on the BBS are included, U indicates that a
	BBS Userlist (typically undated) is included.

	DATES column shows the starting and ending dates for which messages
	were buffered (and therefore available) although there may be some gaps
	in the chronological order.

	KBYTES column shows size of complete file containing messages, g-files,
	userlist, etc. COST column indicates current cost of message base in
	U.S. Dollars, "B" indicates that a "BBS Pro-Phile" was written and is
	included, "D" indicates that 100% of all orders for that BBS (Metal
	Shop Private) will be donated to help pay for Craig Neidorf's (Knight
	Lightning) Legal Defense bills.

	LODCOM is currently organizing and splicing messages from over 30 more H/P
	BBSes [shown below] and, as the files are completed and/or as additional
	messages are procured for the above systems, updates of this listing will be
	released. Next release is expected some time in JUNE of 1993: Modem Over
	Manhattan (MOM), 8BBS (213), Mines of Moria (713), Pirates Cove (516) sysop:
	BlackBeard, Catch-22 (617) sysop: Silver Spy, Phreak Klass 2600 (806) sysop:
	The Egyptian Lover, Blottoland (216) sysop: King Blotto, Osuny 2 (a.k.a. The
	Crystal Palace) (914), The Hearing Aid, Split Infinity (408), (303) sysop: The
	ShadowMaster, ShadowSpawn (219) sysop: Psychic Warlord, IROC (817) sysop: The
	Silver Sabre, FreeWorld II (301) sysop: Major Havoc, Planet Earth, Ripco (312)
	sysop: Dr. Ripco, Hackers Heaven (217) sysop: Jedi Warrior, Demon Roach
	Underground (806) sysop: Swamp Ratte, Stronghold East Elite (516) sysop: Slave
	Driver, Pure Nihilism, 5th Amendment (713) sysop: Micron, Newsweek Elite (617)
	sysop: Micro Man, Lunatic Labs (415) sysop: The Mad Alchemist, Laser Beam
	(314), Hackers Den (718) sysop: Red Knight, The Freezer (305) sysop: Mr. Cool,
	The Boca Harbour (305) sysop: Boca Bandit, The Armoury (201) sysop: The Mace,
	Digital Logic's Data Center (305) sysop: Digital Logic, Asgard (201), The KGB,
	Planet Earth (714), PBS (702), Lost City of Atlantis sysop: The Lineman, and
	more.


	Hacking/Phreaking Tutorials a.k.a. "G-Philes":
	----------------------------------------------

	Along with the above H/P BBS Message Bases, LODCOM has collected many of the
	old "philes" that were written and disseminated over the years. A list of all
	of them would take up too much space here, however, we can tell you that the
	majority are NOT files that were originally written for electronic newsletters
	such as Phrack, PHUN, ATI, etc. (with the perhaps obvious exception of the
	LOD/H Technical Journal). Those files/newsletters are readily available from
	other sources. This hodgepodge of files includes files from Bioc Agent 003,
	Legion of Doom members, and many others that somehow fell out of widespread
	circulation. A Table of Contents of the collection is included but the
	tutorials are all grouped together in four large files of approximately 250K
	each. This collection will have additions with each update of this file. See
	the order form for the price (price will go up as more files are added).


	The Order Form:
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	LOD Communications H/P BBS Message Base ORDER FORM
	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	PERSONAL RATE: Due to the economics involved in diskettes, disk mailing
	containers, snail mail costs, and time to fill orders, a MINIMUM ORDER of
	$20.00 is required for all personal requests. If all 20 message bases are
	ordered (containing 5700+ messages), the cost is discounted to $39.00; if you
	order $20.00 worth (the minimum) or more, you get $5.00 worth in addition as a
	discount. That is, pay for $20.00 and get $25.00 worth of message bases.

	COMMERCIAL RATE: Corporations, Universities, Libraries, and Government
	Agencies must order the complete set (Volume #1) and pay a higher rate. For
	Price Listing Version #1 Released 5/15/93 (20 boards total), the price is
	$99.00 (note that new messages that surface for any BBS purchased will be sent
	completely FREE of ANY additional charge).

	H/P BBS Names: ____________________________________________________________

	[Write: COMPLETE ____________________________________________________________
	SET if you want
	all messages] ____________________________________________________________


	"G-Phile" Collection Version #1 (Optional): $____________ ($10.00 Personal)
	($25.00 Commercial)

	Disk Format/Type of Computer: _____________________________________
	(Please be sure to specify diskette size [5.25" or 3.5"] and high/low density)

	File Archive Method (.ZIP [preferred], .ARJ, .LHZ, .Z, .TAR) ____________
	(ASCII [Non-Compressed] add $2.00 to order)

	Texas Residents add 8% Sales Tax.
	If outside North America please add $5.00 for Shipping & Handling.

	Total Amount (In U.S. Dollars): $ ___________

	Payment Method: Check or Money Order please.
	Absolutely NO Credit Cards, even if it's yours :-)

	By purchasing these works, the Purchaser agrees to abide by all applicable U.S.
	Copyright Laws to not distribute or reproduce, electronically or otherwise, in
	part or in whole, any part of the Work(s) without express written permission
	from LOD Communications.

	Send To:
	Name: _____________________________________

	Organization: _____________________________________ (If applicable)

	Street: _____________________________________

	City/State/Zip: _____________________________________

	Country: _____________________________________

	E-mail address: _____________________________________ (If applicable)


	PRIVACY NOTICE: The information provided to LOD Communications is used for
	sending orders and periodic updates to the H/P BBS Message Base Price List.
	It will NOT be given or sold to any other party. Period.

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	Remit To: LOD Communications
	603 W. 13th
	Suite 1A-278
	Austin, Texas USA 78701

	Lodcom can also be contacted via E-mail: lodcom@mindvox.phantom.com
	Voice Mail: 512-448-5098
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