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[S1] Your shotgun, get it as close to the person as possible and then point it at their chest. I, I always end up pointing it at their mouth 'cause it feels like, well, the voice is coming from there, but you're saying there's actually this like zone of good audio- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... from the mouth down to the chest.
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[S1] Yeah, like your voice is coming up out of, like, your diaphragm that you're pushing all the air through, and it's still resonating through your chest. Like, you're gonna get, um, um, a nice resonance, a nice deep resonance there. So, like, you wanna capture that if you can. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And you're gonna miss th...
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[S1] Um, and then I'm also currently lab still. You can see my lab on here. For in- sit down interviews like this, it's more of a secondary thing just as like a safety. Unless it's like a noisy room or a noisy environment, then usually the lab is going to be closer than the boom could be and potentially sound better as...
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[S1] But we're going to get into how to lav properly. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah, 'cause that's one thing. I've always thrown lavs on people, and Dane's shown me some tricks, luckily, that have helped me get away shirt rustle, but that's often one of the issues. Or I find sometimes when I put a lav on, suddenly I lose some o...
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[S1] For me, clean audio is a good signal to noise ratio. So that means, um, the noise of, like, what you're capturing, um, is louder than the preamps of, like, on your camera or on your recorder. Like, each preamp's gonna have its own self-noise, so as long as the signal is loud- [S2] Stronger than the noise. [S1] Yea...
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[S1] Yeah, it can be. It varies depending on, um, like what preamp and stuff you're using, but- [S2] What's a preamp? [S1] Like a preamp is like basically you plug your mic into the input and then that first gain, the trim, the volume, uh, the first thing that it's hitting is a preamp. [S2] Okay, so on a mirrorless cam...
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[S1] So, and they're, I mean, they're usually secondary thoughts on cameras, especially for DSLRs. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] They're usually actually often the noisiest. Um, just right off the bat, as soon as you plug something in, you get that hiss and you hear it right away. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, something like your FX9, it's ...
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[S1] Uh, some of the best on the market in terms of field recording for sound at the moment. So they're gonna be good. So, yeah, good signal-to-noise ratio. Uh, you wanna have a clean, lav, or, like, even shock mounts for your boom. Like, make sure your noise- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like, just make sure your mic is isolated...
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[S1] This is a good shock mount because it's being cradled in the holster here. So when you, when you're hitting the actual boom, or in the case of our cameras, when you're grabbing the handle- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... it takes away some of the shock. If, if your main audio is a shotgun on a camera, you want to have a good-...
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[S1] Yeah, I mean, there's always, when I'm going to mic somebody, often I haven't met these people before. Um, sometimes this is the first time they've ever been mic'd. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So the first question I always ask is, well, first I'll introduce myself. I'll say, "Hey, I'm Dane. Nice to meet you. I'm gonna mic ...
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[S1] ... like that. [S2] Usually, like man, like doesn't matter who it is. [S1] Yeah. [S2] I'll get them like, "Hey, can you drop this down for me?" And then just pull it out the bottom. So when it goes down, comes out the bottom, I ask them to pull it out 'cause it's pretty sensitive area right there. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2...
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[S1] ... and then you'll put the tape on it and ask, ask her to put it- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... like, usually their bra strap is right there. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And so right above that is where you'll tape it, correct? [S2] I mean, it all depends on the outfit. It, it's hard to have like a clear answer depending on like if the...
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[S1] But depending on the situation, if I know I'm going to be getting into some, like, sensitive areas, then it'll be like, "Hey, can you take this piece of tape and then just stick it?" And then what I'll do is I'll point on the outside of the shirt where I want it to go. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And say, "Hey, can you stic...
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[S1] And then after that, I'll plug it in, make sure it sounds good before I put the body pack on them. And then, um, if I need to make any adjustments, I'll get their help. But definitely, like, there's two people involved in the micing process, so make sure both parties are comfortable and- [S2] So just to summarize ...
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[S1] Oh, sorry, to the bra strap? [S2] Sometimes, but it, it can get harder with somebody who is a little bustier because if they ever, like, reach out in front of them, and then that mic's kinda gets- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... closed off. So, try to, I try to avoid being too deep in the bra or something when I can, um- [S1]...
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah. So I guess it is very situational, um, and it's hard to like give a one- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... one answer per clothing. But we can show some, uh, different types of typical, like, setups on clothing. Especially for men. Women usually are pretty good in terms of like having a qu- like a go...
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[S1] ... typical spots for men's clothing and, like, a good place to put a mic. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Right now.
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[S1] So, th- what you're looking to do is go into the sensitivity. On the side, on the left side, you can see your audio output. [S2] Get that lit up there. Oh. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And now I'm in the middle. [S1] So as I'm talking-
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[S1] As I'm talking, you, you can see that level start to bounce. And right now, it's coming up about, like, 60 to 75%, which is kind of similar to how I have things set up here. It's got, giving me a little space for headroom so that I'm not clipping constantly. And that's pretty much where I wanna have it set. [S2] Y...
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[S1] ... receiver. [S2] ... receiver. [S1] So the output on this is AF out, and I just usually have it set to zero dB. It kinda depends on, um, like, for me, when I'm going into this, zero dB is plenty 'cause I've got lots of room to attenuate or boost it. Uh, but if you're on something like a DSLR or something with le...
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[S1] You can go plus six, plus 12, or minus six, minus 12, minus 18. Actually, you, you can drop it down quite a bit on here if you need to. But usually if your gain is, uh, set here, zero is kinda where you wanna have this set to. [S2] But sometimes why you need to bring that down below zero dB is maybe your mirrorles...
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[S1] Yeah. But you know that the signal coming from your transmitter is, uh, good level, and then you'll adjust for whatever you're recording to. [S2] So guys, the steps on that is, the first thing you adjust is you wanna make sure on your transmitter, you're getting good audio. Again, like we said, you want that littl...
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[S1] And, and a great way to look at that is Dane's not telling you guys the exact number to use all the time because that would be like me telling you, "Always expose 400 ISO." [S2] Yeah. [S1] Well, you could be indoors, you could be at night, you could be in the sun. It all changes.
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[S1] But what I would want as a cinematographer is to have my skin tones at about 70% IRE. So what Dane's saying is the same thing with audio. He's not going to tell you shoot everything at minus 30 dB. What you want though is your main audio to be kind of what we say tickling the yellows, kind of in the- [S2] Yeah. [S...
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[S1] monitor levels. Hopefully you've got headphones in. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, it's super important to always be listening to what you're recording, uh, which is not what we're doing right now, but... [LAUGHS] [S2] Well, one tip I can give for, for auto audio is, so I have, this is my YouTube setup. I have, um, this litt...
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[S1] You know, I say, I call these cheap cameras. I know they're not cheap. It's still like $3,000, but compared to like a $10,000 camera, it's much cheaper. So on cheaper cameras, I find I need to kind of get that audio going down when I'm doing, um, auto audio recording. [S2] Like auto levels aren't necessarily a bad...
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[S1] ... Dane's wearing a new shirt 'cause we're gonna get into how to lab people. But first, let's really quickly talk about different recording devices. [S2] Sure. [S1] So, I have Zoom here. This is their, their older one, the 4N, 4HN. [S2] H4N. [S1] H4N, thank you. Um, obviously I use it a ton. This is good 'cause i...
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[S1] ... targeting top, top level companies. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And, and there's a lot of other, um, networks and, and festivals that are available now for you guys. But it's just to give you just a, a bit of reality check to know this is a grind and nobody is gonna sell your film harder than you. No, like, you know, thes...
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[S1] Um, marketed the best. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And so, there's a couple other ways to, so we're talking about you doing this yourself, but one way to partner with people is, is go to a website like Film Freeway and get your f- film in as many festivals as possible. But go watch the film festivals video we did where I expl...
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[S1] Boom TV, there's Vimeo with their Vimeo staff pick, and that channel, if you can get a staff pick, that's really helpful for your film, 'cause instantly you have a following of people watching that. There's also Nowness. This is another great video community. So reaching out to these people, being a part of these ...
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[S1] passion. [S2] Exactly. [S1] Share your film. [S2] Exactly. Exactly what you said there, Michael, sharing your passion. You can't just give the film to someone and say, "Hey, be passionate about this." [S1] No. [S2] They need to know what makes it unique. [S1] Absolutely. [S2] What is gonna help separate it. And ev...
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[S1] It's, it's not a business model. There are a few people who have done it, creating kind of niche films. I know someone in the bodybuilding world who specializes in, in cap, capturing that audience and they're willing to pay for the films or the food, the food audiences, similar, the vegan community. So if that's, ...
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[S1] ... outsourced their, we're, we're their video team. We don't work in their office. We, we work in our own office here. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But that's the route we took is, is we continue to g, make great content for them and as they grow, we grow. And so that's, that would be my f- first piece of advice for you to fu...
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[S1] They were absolutely trash, the videos I made. But people saw my passion. And what happened next was there was a couple people with humanitarian groups who were like, "Mark, do you think you could bring that passion and try to help tell our stories?" And, and in a lot of the cases, I didn't get paid any money. [S2...
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[S1] ... space, which is something that I started with. [S2] Yeah, exactly. [S1] So it's like- [S2] It comes full circle. [S1] It does. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So I guess the, the moral of that story is take serious the job you have right now because it could define your whole career. [S2] Totally. [S1] You know, and, and don'...
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[S1] It's serious where you are right now. [S2] Totally. [S1] And I think, I, I truly believe, um, that that passion you put in the best work, you apply everything you've learnt in the course, it's just going to, you're just going to- [S2] Exactly. [S1] ... propel yourself.
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[S1] You never know who is watching your work. So that video I did down in Haiti, what was really cool was that aid organization, one of their next clients was the Boston Pizza Foundation. [S2] Right. [S1] Boston Pizza is a huge restaurant chain across North America, and they have a foundation that helps with humanitar...
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[S1] Yeah, I don't, I don't, I recommend being independent. Uh, like, you know, I'm, I'm signed on to three or four rosters around the world and I, I get more work through our production companies than I do them. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The, the commercial industry now, there is so many directors and it's so hyper-competitive....
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[S1] ... documentaries. [S2] Yeah. [S1] With that whole story there of the Haiti video and then the Boston Pizza Foundation, what I'm trying to tell you is every job is a key, and that key is to unlock the next door for you. Now, that may be a really ugly key. You may not like that job. You may not even like the client...
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[S1] Totally, totally. And that's where, if you go to, guys, to our research video, Lewis talks about how he has bookmarks with different stories. 'Cause what happens is these big organizations, and, you know, there's a couple banks in Canada that do this every year, where they announce, "We're gonna," RBC is one of th...
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[S1] getting paid for three months. And I was like, "That's been my entire career." [S2] Right. Yeah. [S1] Where you go for these months and months and months without getting paid, and you need to have a resilience and a tolerance as a filmmaker. And I want to say this to you, looking in the lens, just because you have...
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[S1] Yeah, for me personally, that's always been something I've been very adamant about is, you know, every month with those, I, I told you earlier how our team, we have, uh, clients on retainer and, and, you know, I'm, I'm very well aware, well, we're on retainer with them for X amount of months, I know that they migh...
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[S1] In this video, we want to talk about how to shoot a film solo. Both me and Michael have shot a couple different documentaries completely on our own. Michael just shot a feature film completely by himself. There was one day that I showed up to help you shoot some interviews, which I don't even know if any of that f...
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[S1] ... things there. [S2] You know, yeah. [S1] Which leads us into our first two points, and these are real practical. The first, if you're shooting on your own, is get good freaking audio. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Don't skimp out. You, you can put all your money into camera and lenses, but if you don't have good audio- [S2] ...
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[S1] ... will turn off your film. [S2] Yeah, my suggestion would be, you know, I'll, I'll just use example, like with Ray. Every day I showed up, the very first thing, I, I left my house and I had, I had a bunch of rules I made for myself. I had my, I didn't use a tripod or a monopod even. I just had the, one lens. [S1...
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[S1] Because I saw, you know, the deficiencies of not having a boom operator. I mean, this is a big investment, but I think this is a few thousand dollars. [S2] Two or three thousand dollars. [S1] Yeah, so, you know, you're going from a couple hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars. So, that's where the lab, though,...
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[S1] Especially if there's open space, you're just going to be able to pick up- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... some more of that. So, yeah, don't skimp on sound. That's- [S2] No. And that's- [S1] ... that's somewhere you should invest your money. [S2] And this is no hit on sound men. We love them. But in case of point, for no cou...
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[S1] It's also, it's also analog technology, right? So it's not gonna be outdated. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You know, it's like, like they're not, it's not digital, so you're not gonna, they're not coming out with a better mic. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Or much better mic in the next couple of years. So you're gonna have it for, you coul...
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[S1] They say date the camera, but marry the lenses and your microphone. [S2] Yeah, they're, we'll add the microphone in there. [S1] Yeah, exactly. So our next point for when you're shooting a documentary by yourself is review, review, review, review your footage. Now, there is some purists of filmmakers who say, "Don'...
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[S1] ... pull your footage into a timeline, even skin through it. For one, you'll notice technical things. You'll be like, "Holy crap, the audio didn't work." [S2] Yeah. [S1] Or, "That shot was out of focus." Or what I find is I start noticing, "Am I, do I have a wide yet of the city that we're filming in? Do, do I hav...
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[S1] Yeah, I think in that way it's good, especially if you're doing it on your own, just to try and have some outside eyes. I'd show my wife, few colleagues, I'd give them a little sneak peek. [S2] This is Ray, you would, you would watch it. [S1] For Ray, yeah. Just 'cause I, I, you know, you don't wanna work on somet...
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[S1] ... many directions. And so if you're doing, if you're reviewing the footage and trying to, um, you know, find your next logical beat, just be careful of that. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Next point, this is super practical, is if you're traveling, um, or even if you're not traveling, you're shooting the film in your hometown, is have your footage in two places. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I just had my entire apartment flooded during COVID. And then I also, my wife got in a car accident and totaled our car....
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[S1] Gone. So if you're shooting your own project, when we were traveling, we would mail, we'd go FedEx a hard drive home, or we'd make sure two different crew members who are on two different flights have the footage. You just don't want your footage in the same place. And that's one great thing too, with Matrix, we u...
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[S1] ... you know, be productive. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And so, you know, for myself, for instance, like I, I, I had some different rules where I, I didn't want to bring a camera bag with me at all, so I knew I was only gonna have two batteries. I was only gonna have, I don't know what it was, two to three cards with me of...
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[S1] And, and I'd say is like to even, let's just go a little further with that, is like, you know, that could be, I'm going to shoot the whole thing on an iPhone. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know? It's like, you know, a movie like "Tangerine" from Sean Baker or something. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's like, you know, I, like, make s...
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[S1] Uh, gritty places. So I always left the stuff outside when I came in the house every, after every shoot. But it was just kind of this process of, of just trying to embed yourself in the world. [S2] It becomes a uniform. You get into- [S1] Yeah, it's almost like, you know, you've heard of method acting, right? It's...
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[S1] But, no, this is the, this is the revolution that the assertive filmmakers is gonna start. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Is, uh, you, we're documentarians, we need to wear white. [S2] Yeah. Uh, and why is that? [S1] Well, if you're solo, it, it's a, and, and I- [S2] You have lights.
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[S1] Yeah, and I, I tend to like, as well as Mar, I enjoy back lighting, so it's, it's just a little bounce. You know, you can use it as a little bounce on the character's face. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And it, it works great. I, I've actually shifted sometimes. I'm looking at the character's face and just get the light on and ...
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[S1] Awesome. Cool. The last point for when you're filming on your own is, and this is super practical, uh, is, is literally a fanny pack. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] We, we, we live and die by these 'cause when we're filming by ourselves, it's like you wanna have an extra memory card and an extra battery and something to wipe ...
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[S1] Yeah. I'm sure you will talk about it at some point. [S2] We do, yeah. [S1] But that's, you know, if you don't have release forms, I would just advise you just get them on camera to say, "Hey, I'm making a documentary. Are you okay being in it?" And just get them to verbally say, "Yes, I am." [S2] Yeah. [S1] And t...
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[S1] But I, I like to think that documentaries should be held to a high standard of ethics, similar to what journalists are held to. The difference with documentaries is that you have your own voice in the film. There's a bit more, I don't wanna say artistry, I'm not criticizing journalism, but journalism is about just...
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[S1] There's a lens. [S2] There's a lens. Yeah. [S1] There's a lens you're seeing it through, right? [S2] There's a voice. [S1] That's fine, right. A voice, a person on the other side of the camera.
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[S1] You know, based on what you said, this is actually one of the reasons I generally try to avoid political films or any- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... because of the responsibility to kind of get all the facts straight, and the facts aren't always obvious. Like I, that's why I try to steer my way more towards just human portr...
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[S1] Yeah, when making Transformer as an example, I, I specifically told Janae I'm not making a politically motivated or a, you know, sexual identity motivated film. Like that was kind of our, when we were talking about meeting the character and kind of gaining access, that was the main driver, was to say I'm not doing...
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[S1] to tell this story. And, you know, this was 2016. I don't know if my answer then would be sufficient now, but back then it was, well, the right, my right was that I got in the car and drove to see her and she wanted me to tell her story. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I tend to think that that's a good enough reason. Now,
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[S1] ... empathetically by, by multiple characters in the film, you know? Because you see that they have their own reasons for coming at it. And then you're treating your audience more maturely, I think, by doing that. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, like you're not, you're not spoon-feeding them whatever. Take this, now d...
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[S1] You know, I can see why they're doing this and, and, and Zakaria, I can see why this guy, he's drug dealing, he has to feed his family. [S2] And sometimes giving a voice to the other side of the subject actually proves your point even more. [S1] It's mature.
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[S1] It's mature. It's, you know, it shows confidence. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You know, it shows, it shows there's nothing to be afraid of. Like, you know, I don't, I hate those films where I'm like, "Is the director afraid that I'm gonna figure it out?" [S2] Yeah. [S1] Like, is he hiding piece, is he trying to, like, not ste...
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[S1] So that's the ethics of documentary, or at least for us. I mean, this is a longer conversation. We could really do like a three hour podcast on this. [S2] For sure. [S1] Yeah. But maybe we will. [S2] I th- yeah, I guess the takeaway though, you know, like we've been saying, you're dealing with people's lives, you'...
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