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yg1brr

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Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu7c9b1

iu6b9yx

Design is seen as a commodity, whoever is low bid will get the job. It’s ironic though because design significantly affects the final cost of work. I think by choosing to spend more on design up front owners would get better and more complete designs - which would reduce uncertainty/risk going into construction which would be a big cost benefit to the project.

How many years of experience do you have ?

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu7c9b1

iu6rc9g

Design is seen as a commodity, whoever is low bid will get the job. It’s ironic though because design significantly affects the final cost of work. I think by choosing to spend more on design up front owners would get better and more complete designs - which would reduce uncertainty/risk going into construction which would be a big cost benefit to the project.

It's complicated and hugely multi-factorial for a profession where it's hard to quantify in numbers the benefit even though it's needed. We don't even value ourselves seeing all the free work we do. Most people think architects "design" and that's it, when really that's just a small part of the array of duties we do. I'm married to a developer and they said they pay good arch fees. Then I broke it down and for the team and for the time put in and all those "can you make a quick change"... Which you know is anything but quick. It was illuminating. Really need to educate others outside of the profession what happens. They get what an architect does from Hollywood and God forbid...HGTV. There's like a hundred more reasons too from that devastating lawsuit about suggested fee scales to pumping out grads from nowheresville that flood the markets.

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu7c9b1

iu6w8e5

Design is seen as a commodity, whoever is low bid will get the job. It’s ironic though because design significantly affects the final cost of work. I think by choosing to spend more on design up front owners would get better and more complete designs - which would reduce uncertainty/risk going into construction which would be a big cost benefit to the project.

I think a part of it comes down to why firms often have a difficult time making a profit. One can estimate hours and fees required for a project, from concept through CA, but so many curveballs can be thrown throughout the duration of the project, that often times the fees agreed to end up being too low. Couple that with the fact that our projects are in essence our advertising. Even if we run out of hours or fees on a project, there is still a need to see it through to the best of our ability, so that our design and our art can be realized as intended, so we can add another strong project to our portfolio and website, which ideally will get us more projects. It’s tough to balance trying to do a project service, while maintaining profitability.

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu6bwxb

iu7k5hh

To oversimplify, more people want to be architects than the market will bear, despite the many years of education required. Like teaching, it seems to be a calling rather than a solid plan to make money commensurate with the education required.

Literally everyone except the elite class is underpaid

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu6b9yx

iu7k5hh

How many years of experience do you have ?

Literally everyone except the elite class is underpaid

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu6rc9g

iu7k5hh

It's complicated and hugely multi-factorial for a profession where it's hard to quantify in numbers the benefit even though it's needed. We don't even value ourselves seeing all the free work we do. Most people think architects "design" and that's it, when really that's just a small part of the array of duties we do. I'm married to a developer and they said they pay good arch fees. Then I broke it down and for the team and for the time put in and all those "can you make a quick change"... Which you know is anything but quick. It was illuminating. Really need to educate others outside of the profession what happens. They get what an architect does from Hollywood and God forbid...HGTV. There's like a hundred more reasons too from that devastating lawsuit about suggested fee scales to pumping out grads from nowheresville that flood the markets.

Literally everyone except the elite class is underpaid

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu7k5hh

iu6w8e5

Literally everyone except the elite class is underpaid

I think a part of it comes down to why firms often have a difficult time making a profit. One can estimate hours and fees required for a project, from concept through CA, but so many curveballs can be thrown throughout the duration of the project, that often times the fees agreed to end up being too low. Couple that with the fact that our projects are in essence our advertising. Even if we run out of hours or fees on a project, there is still a need to see it through to the best of our ability, so that our design and our art can be realized as intended, so we can add another strong project to our portfolio and website, which ideally will get us more projects. It’s tough to balance trying to do a project service, while maintaining profitability.

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu6b9yx

iu6bwxb

How many years of experience do you have ?

To oversimplify, more people want to be architects than the market will bear, despite the many years of education required. Like teaching, it seems to be a calling rather than a solid plan to make money commensurate with the education required.

yg1brr

architecture_train

Why are architects underpaid? I recently had a conversation with a recruiter and I was told I’m asking for way more than industry standards (US market) and that I’m delusional and should probably settle for less. In my opinion AIA compensation calculator is outdated. Is to too much to ask for a little more than industry standard because of inflation, unreasonable rents and student debts? This feels like a rant but why are we ok with getting paid less in spite of having sufficient years of experience. I cannot draw comparisons to tech jobs but this is ridiculous. If anyone has a way to justify this nonsensical salary or has a way to help sell yourself better in an interview to get paid what you deserve please let me know. Thank you in advance. PS: Sometimes working in this industry feels like a waste of time.

iu8fo7a

iu6w8e5

I think this post has been the nail in the coffin in deciding I no longer want to be an architect

I think a part of it comes down to why firms often have a difficult time making a profit. One can estimate hours and fees required for a project, from concept through CA, but so many curveballs can be thrown throughout the duration of the project, that often times the fees agreed to end up being too low. Couple that with the fact that our projects are in essence our advertising. Even if we run out of hours or fees on a project, there is still a need to see it through to the best of our ability, so that our design and our art can be realized as intended, so we can add another strong project to our portfolio and website, which ideally will get us more projects. It’s tough to balance trying to do a project service, while maintaining profitability.

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0w8xod

g0wdcwx

You don’t have to be an architect to design a chair, but yes, the disciplines overlap because both (ideally) involve: * supporting weight & handling stresses * creative & efficient use of construction materials * an end product that is attractive

Just think of furniture as tiny buildings (built environment), where aesthetics and function still have a prominent role in design but with an emphasis on human scale and ergonomics.

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0w8xod

g0we5p9

You don’t have to be an architect to design a chair, but yes, the disciplines overlap because both (ideally) involve: * supporting weight & handling stresses * creative & efficient use of construction materials * an end product that is attractive

A few of things come to mind: Chairs are objects that directly engage the body, but, unlike a bed, require a good amount of articulation. So, architects who are concerned with ergonomics often do it for that reason. Some architects like having a ton of control, so designing special furniture is a part of their "complete vision" for the building. Unlike buildings, chairs and other furniture can be mass-produced, offering an opportunity to make a buck. And somewhat related (and maybe a bit cynical), the architect can make money not only by designing the building, but also furnishing it. edit: grammar

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wt0j4

g0wofs5

Can you share the name of the documentary please?

I know three architects. One is my partner (and boss), one is a friend who lives down in Mexico, and another is one out of NYC (who's actually more of an art director now). Every single one of them LOVES chairs or just constantly tinkering/designing small functional bits and pieces. Every one of them are true multi-diciplinary Renaissance men who are always wanting to work on some idea, not just architecture. My partner's design ethos is all centered around creating a perfect coffee moment, so often it isn't just the building or space that contributes to building towards that moment but the furniture as well. He's not gone out and created actual furniture or anything yet, but the ethos is still there! It's different from interior design in the sense that there is a greater emphasis and interest on functional design elements vs "artistic direction" which interior designers are more interested in.

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0w8xod

g0wt0j4

You don’t have to be an architect to design a chair, but yes, the disciplines overlap because both (ideally) involve: * supporting weight & handling stresses * creative & efficient use of construction materials * an end product that is attractive

Can you share the name of the documentary please?

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wt0j4

g0wfy66

Can you share the name of the documentary please?

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0x5i52

g0wofs5

Industrial designer here with industry experience in furniture design - Chairs are often a good object to manifest an idea in, like a tea set or, if I understand the idea right, a "primitive hut" as yall say. It's a good blend of practical limitations and opportunity for expression, so it's a great object to show how a design ethos can be applied to a well-understood problem. I know I'm stepping into deep water (especially in this neck of the woods) my opinion is that objects designed by architects rarely fulfill the utility expected by that object (think Alessi teapots or frank gehry's cardboard chair). The artifacts do a great job of saying something new about what a chair (or teapot it whatever) COULD be, but don't really count as checking all the boxes. There are of course hundreds of exceptions. And some designers create useless chairs to prove points too. I'd love to hear yalls thoughts on my rant

I know three architects. One is my partner (and boss), one is a friend who lives down in Mexico, and another is one out of NYC (who's actually more of an art director now). Every single one of them LOVES chairs or just constantly tinkering/designing small functional bits and pieces. Every one of them are true multi-diciplinary Renaissance men who are always wanting to work on some idea, not just architecture. My partner's design ethos is all centered around creating a perfect coffee moment, so often it isn't just the building or space that contributes to building towards that moment but the furniture as well. He's not gone out and created actual furniture or anything yet, but the ethos is still there! It's different from interior design in the sense that there is a greater emphasis and interest on functional design elements vs "artistic direction" which interior designers are more interested in.

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0x5i52

g0w8xod

Industrial designer here with industry experience in furniture design - Chairs are often a good object to manifest an idea in, like a tea set or, if I understand the idea right, a "primitive hut" as yall say. It's a good blend of practical limitations and opportunity for expression, so it's a great object to show how a design ethos can be applied to a well-understood problem. I know I'm stepping into deep water (especially in this neck of the woods) my opinion is that objects designed by architects rarely fulfill the utility expected by that object (think Alessi teapots or frank gehry's cardboard chair). The artifacts do a great job of saying something new about what a chair (or teapot it whatever) COULD be, but don't really count as checking all the boxes. There are of course hundreds of exceptions. And some designers create useless chairs to prove points too. I'd love to hear yalls thoughts on my rant

You don’t have to be an architect to design a chair, but yes, the disciplines overlap because both (ideally) involve: * supporting weight & handling stresses * creative & efficient use of construction materials * an end product that is attractive

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wfy66

g0x5i52

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

Industrial designer here with industry experience in furniture design - Chairs are often a good object to manifest an idea in, like a tea set or, if I understand the idea right, a "primitive hut" as yall say. It's a good blend of practical limitations and opportunity for expression, so it's a great object to show how a design ethos can be applied to a well-understood problem. I know I'm stepping into deep water (especially in this neck of the woods) my opinion is that objects designed by architects rarely fulfill the utility expected by that object (think Alessi teapots or frank gehry's cardboard chair). The artifacts do a great job of saying something new about what a chair (or teapot it whatever) COULD be, but don't really count as checking all the boxes. There are of course hundreds of exceptions. And some designers create useless chairs to prove points too. I'd love to hear yalls thoughts on my rant

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wofs5

g0w8xod

I know three architects. One is my partner (and boss), one is a friend who lives down in Mexico, and another is one out of NYC (who's actually more of an art director now). Every single one of them LOVES chairs or just constantly tinkering/designing small functional bits and pieces. Every one of them are true multi-diciplinary Renaissance men who are always wanting to work on some idea, not just architecture. My partner's design ethos is all centered around creating a perfect coffee moment, so often it isn't just the building or space that contributes to building towards that moment but the furniture as well. He's not gone out and created actual furniture or anything yet, but the ethos is still there! It's different from interior design in the sense that there is a greater emphasis and interest on functional design elements vs "artistic direction" which interior designers are more interested in.

You don’t have to be an architect to design a chair, but yes, the disciplines overlap because both (ideally) involve: * supporting weight & handling stresses * creative & efficient use of construction materials * an end product that is attractive

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wfy66

g0wofs5

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

I know three architects. One is my partner (and boss), one is a friend who lives down in Mexico, and another is one out of NYC (who's actually more of an art director now). Every single one of them LOVES chairs or just constantly tinkering/designing small functional bits and pieces. Every one of them are true multi-diciplinary Renaissance men who are always wanting to work on some idea, not just architecture. My partner's design ethos is all centered around creating a perfect coffee moment, so often it isn't just the building or space that contributes to building towards that moment but the furniture as well. He's not gone out and created actual furniture or anything yet, but the ethos is still there! It's different from interior design in the sense that there is a greater emphasis and interest on functional design elements vs "artistic direction" which interior designers are more interested in.

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0x7h7w

g0xabib

gotta sit somewhere

Out of curiosity, what was the name of the documentary that you watched?

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wfy66

g0xabib

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

Out of curiosity, what was the name of the documentary that you watched?

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0x7h7w

g0wfy66

gotta sit somewhere

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

i6jggs

architecture_train

I watched a documentary about some of the coolest chair designs in the past 150 years and wondered: why are so many people who design chairs also architects? It always popped up with the creators name then “architect, designer” As someone who knows very little about both, why would one need (maybe not need) to be an architect to design a chair? Can’t you just get a designer to design the chair? Is there an overlap between architecture and furniture design? I’d love to learn more

g0wfy66

g0xrdxt

I think it’s because we spend so much time sitting in chairs and they are usually the first piece of furniture that we see when we enter a room they are a constant part of our lives

In the college of architecture I attended, every lounge had a different set of famous chairs by famous architects. Le Corbusier, van der Rohe, Saarinen, a dozen others. They all had one thing in common. They were are terribly uncomfortable. It seems the one thing an architecture can NOT design is a comfortable chair. I mean seriously, they were bad.... So bad.... :-/

jf81rd

architecture_train

Why are so many architects so cynical about their job? I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. But why so cynical? I know plenty of people who graduated and super happy in the profession, even as lowly interns. And by shadowing this firm in studio and listening to guest lecturers, they all seem so passionate about their work. But some comments on this sub can be so depressing with all the negativity about how AWFUL architecture is as a profession and how it was such a poor choice. Am I really missing something? So many jobs complain about how they aren’t paid enough for their work, but in my opinion if you really love it who cares as long as you’re making enough to live. Maybe i’m just being too optimistic about my future, but it seems counterintuitive to degrade such a valuable profession.

g9itz3z

g9j2j9s

Not an architect but I looked into it once. One of the things I think is unique is that the general public has a perception of the job "architect" as an elite, artistic yet technical, high-paying and glamorous kind of career and attaches a fair amount of prestige to it - think of how architects are portrayed in films or books for example. But the reality, from what people say who actually do the job, is vastly different and a heck of a lot less glamorous. I think it may be the job where there's the biggest such perception/reality gap. Lots of jobs are underpaid and not super rewarding, but few of them are seen by the public as the opposite of that - in the way that architecture seems to be.

The part that you're missing is the unreasonable expectations, difficult clients, underperforming engineers general contractors that intentionally build things wrong. The fact that we have responsibility for so many aspects of a building, while having lower pay then our other disciplines. And we're constantly expected to produce more, better, faster (for free) because Architecture is at times a race to the bottom if you're not careful. I'm pretty happy in general, but I get the cynicism. It can wear on you. >I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. The codes, red tape and detailing is actually really interesting. It's not dry at all. That's the good stuff. But in general I'd rather be cooking with my boyfriend or able to buy a house. There's more to life than loving your job. Don't let anyone badger you into working long hours for free.

jf81rd

architecture_train

Why are so many architects so cynical about their job? I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. But why so cynical? I know plenty of people who graduated and super happy in the profession, even as lowly interns. And by shadowing this firm in studio and listening to guest lecturers, they all seem so passionate about their work. But some comments on this sub can be so depressing with all the negativity about how AWFUL architecture is as a profession and how it was such a poor choice. Am I really missing something? So many jobs complain about how they aren’t paid enough for their work, but in my opinion if you really love it who cares as long as you’re making enough to live. Maybe i’m just being too optimistic about my future, but it seems counterintuitive to degrade such a valuable profession.

g9itz3z

g9isabj

Not an architect but I looked into it once. One of the things I think is unique is that the general public has a perception of the job "architect" as an elite, artistic yet technical, high-paying and glamorous kind of career and attaches a fair amount of prestige to it - think of how architects are portrayed in films or books for example. But the reality, from what people say who actually do the job, is vastly different and a heck of a lot less glamorous. I think it may be the job where there's the biggest such perception/reality gap. Lots of jobs are underpaid and not super rewarding, but few of them are seen by the public as the opposite of that - in the way that architecture seems to be.

Well, what a student does in Uni and what they're expected to do at their job are vastly different things. First off office work is mostly making working drawings and studying by-laws etc, and you'll be lucky if you get to do any designing. Secondly, compared to the hours put in, the effort and the education cost etc, the pay is LOW. For example, in India interns get around 5k ₹ while engineering interns get anywhere from 20-30k₹, while engineers are usuallyexpectedto put in lesser time and have lesser expertise (situation might differ in you nation, but i doubt that).

jf81rd

architecture_train

Why are so many architects so cynical about their job? I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. But why so cynical? I know plenty of people who graduated and super happy in the profession, even as lowly interns. And by shadowing this firm in studio and listening to guest lecturers, they all seem so passionate about their work. But some comments on this sub can be so depressing with all the negativity about how AWFUL architecture is as a profession and how it was such a poor choice. Am I really missing something? So many jobs complain about how they aren’t paid enough for their work, but in my opinion if you really love it who cares as long as you’re making enough to live. Maybe i’m just being too optimistic about my future, but it seems counterintuitive to degrade such a valuable profession.

g9isabj

g9j2j9s

Well, what a student does in Uni and what they're expected to do at their job are vastly different things. First off office work is mostly making working drawings and studying by-laws etc, and you'll be lucky if you get to do any designing. Secondly, compared to the hours put in, the effort and the education cost etc, the pay is LOW. For example, in India interns get around 5k ₹ while engineering interns get anywhere from 20-30k₹, while engineers are usuallyexpectedto put in lesser time and have lesser expertise (situation might differ in you nation, but i doubt that).

The part that you're missing is the unreasonable expectations, difficult clients, underperforming engineers general contractors that intentionally build things wrong. The fact that we have responsibility for so many aspects of a building, while having lower pay then our other disciplines. And we're constantly expected to produce more, better, faster (for free) because Architecture is at times a race to the bottom if you're not careful. I'm pretty happy in general, but I get the cynicism. It can wear on you. >I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. The codes, red tape and detailing is actually really interesting. It's not dry at all. That's the good stuff. But in general I'd rather be cooking with my boyfriend or able to buy a house. There's more to life than loving your job. Don't let anyone badger you into working long hours for free.

jf81rd

architecture_train

Why are so many architects so cynical about their job? I’m currently studying architecture and I love it. I get the dry parts of architecture, all the rather boring red tape, codes, specifications, monotonous detailing, shitty work hours, long education, and “low pay”. But why so cynical? I know plenty of people who graduated and super happy in the profession, even as lowly interns. And by shadowing this firm in studio and listening to guest lecturers, they all seem so passionate about their work. But some comments on this sub can be so depressing with all the negativity about how AWFUL architecture is as a profession and how it was such a poor choice. Am I really missing something? So many jobs complain about how they aren’t paid enough for their work, but in my opinion if you really love it who cares as long as you’re making enough to live. Maybe i’m just being too optimistic about my future, but it seems counterintuitive to degrade such a valuable profession.

g9jo5la

g9mi6kg

The thing about architecture is expectations vs reality. At least where I live people don't quite understand what an architect does. They think rich people need us to build wacky houses, expect us to be very expensive and avoid us at all cost. Which is ironic because hiring a good architect would result in you saving money and trouble during and after construction. So in school you learn how to make airports, museums and huge buildings. When you get out you need to relearn everything because you are going to be building sheds and bicycle paths. Clients hire you to build right and they end up angry because you don't draw what they want. Then there are the contractors. Only few of them are trusty. Any mistake will be your fault even if you did your part flawlessly. And so on. It is a beautiful career with an universe of knowledge to learn. But it is certainly frustrating to practice it.

I think it stems from the difference between the art and the business side of the profession. I don't believe that there is another profession with such a range and degree of difference in focus and function between the academic and practical legs. The people who complain about not being paid enough have also failed to grasp the reality of the architectural world - which is that everything in this industry is built on sales and marketing. Can you sell your design vision to the client? Can you show it off really well to other prospective clients so as to generate leads? I hate to say it, as I love doing it - drafting is for chumps. Technical skills *are important* but they all fall to worthlessness if you can't secure the next contract. Drafting is a cost center - you do it to fulfill the conditions of the contract, but if that's all you can do, you're not worth much more than an outsourced drafting service. And it has to do with an individual's choice of market sector as well. Residential, it can be very creatively fulfilling if you're at the top end of the industry, and it can be a financial trap and career-anchor if you're stuck in the low end. In retail, it's a lot of repetitive site-adaptations of a design developed by the client's in-house design team or their hired consultant; or doing basic shell-work for landlords in response to the same designs - if you want to make any money, that is. In corporate architecture, you're potentially balancing the same considerations, but there are chances to do some cool things if you can find the right clients. In healthcare, the sheer amount of codes and regulations required to be understood limits the design of those facilities to the experts, and it takes years to get the knowledge to compete in that arena, but once you have it you're not going to be scrambling for employment. I've been in and out of healthcare architecture over the years of my career, and that experience allowed me to quickly get another position after I got laid off in April, with a signing bonus and pay slightly above average. But it's absolutely not as fun or creative as during my time doing high-end beach homes.

i6osw9

architecture_train

[Ask] Architects, why are open floor plans so popular in homes? As a young engineer I see so many buildings plans with open floor plans, and I always wonder what's the appeal to them? I personally don't enjoy them for the following reasons, but am curious what your thoughts are. Maybe you can change my opinion on them. -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces -Difficulty controlling noise in an area -Lack of privacy between areas -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas)

g0x2mue

g0xe5mg

So open space allows for natural light to flood the spaces, thus less need for artificial lighting and saves energy. This, I would say, is the biggest reason. Incorporating the open concept into a space makes it feel bigger and breathable than it actually is. Noise can be a problem, as you have listed, but living in a home with a open floorplan where the kitchen is open to the living room. One can watch their favorite tv show while cooking or still converse with their guest while doing another activity in another space, without feeling left out. I imagine the open concept is most beneficial for families with small children, who as you know, need to be watched 24/7. Mom and dad can work on their activities from one area while watching the children, who are in another area. It really just comes down to personal preferences and what type of lifestyle a person has. Someone who is very social, and throws alot of parties or families who spend alot of time together would benefit more from an open floorplan. People who are more reserved, like a roommate situation for example, would benefit more from a closed floorplan. But the open concept was utilized to break away from traditional styles, which is why you'll see it used more in modern homes. (Not an architect btw, but am an architecture student lol)

This seems like a list of odd first world problems or pet peeves to me. > -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces Turn a light on or off or close a blind? > -Difficulty controlling noise in an area Don't be noisy? > -Lack of privacy between areas Privacy from who what? Ask for some privacy or take a walk with the person you need to talk to? > -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) Are you the queen of England? What are you evening talking about. Experience the mess of a kitchen? OMG nooo. Who cares? If it's food being prepared that isn't a mess its fun and beautiful to watch, if its mess from cooking just clean it as you go? > -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) What? Is this something people do? Seems pretentious. > -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) Get some wireless headphones or watch in another room or ask them to speak lower or whatever. > -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) Again, what? > -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas) Fair enough.

i6osw9

architecture_train

[Ask] Architects, why are open floor plans so popular in homes? As a young engineer I see so many buildings plans with open floor plans, and I always wonder what's the appeal to them? I personally don't enjoy them for the following reasons, but am curious what your thoughts are. Maybe you can change my opinion on them. -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces -Difficulty controlling noise in an area -Lack of privacy between areas -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas)

g0x2mue

g0xkdwp

So open space allows for natural light to flood the spaces, thus less need for artificial lighting and saves energy. This, I would say, is the biggest reason. Incorporating the open concept into a space makes it feel bigger and breathable than it actually is. Noise can be a problem, as you have listed, but living in a home with a open floorplan where the kitchen is open to the living room. One can watch their favorite tv show while cooking or still converse with their guest while doing another activity in another space, without feeling left out. I imagine the open concept is most beneficial for families with small children, who as you know, need to be watched 24/7. Mom and dad can work on their activities from one area while watching the children, who are in another area. It really just comes down to personal preferences and what type of lifestyle a person has. Someone who is very social, and throws alot of parties or families who spend alot of time together would benefit more from an open floorplan. People who are more reserved, like a roommate situation for example, would benefit more from a closed floorplan. But the open concept was utilized to break away from traditional styles, which is why you'll see it used more in modern homes. (Not an architect btw, but am an architecture student lol)

Read Frank Lloyd Wright on 'breaking the box' or Wolff's _From Bauhaus to Our House_ The explanation is worth the time it takes for reading in full.

i6osw9

architecture_train

[Ask] Architects, why are open floor plans so popular in homes? As a young engineer I see so many buildings plans with open floor plans, and I always wonder what's the appeal to them? I personally don't enjoy them for the following reasons, but am curious what your thoughts are. Maybe you can change my opinion on them. -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces -Difficulty controlling noise in an area -Lack of privacy between areas -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas)

g0xkncb

g0yio62

Simple: lower expense on the part of the developer as you basically don't have to make a couple of walls and doors. They honestly don't give a shit about the rest. A family that hired an architect will rarely employ open spaces, unless the site somehow has an issue (such as a lack of natural lighting or a desired perspective) or they require an uncommon solution (such as circular plan).

There are positives and drawbacks inherent in most floor plans. If there was one ideal plan we'd all live in identical housing. The issue here is that you are only thinking of these spaces in terms of how you would use them or interpret them. As you're a young engineer perhaps you've only recently moved out home, still single, have only lived in homes without an open plan and can't imagine why anyone would want one. But put yourself in the position of a family with young kids. It's much easier to supervise the kids, help them with homework, catch the news and prepare dinner in an open plan arrangement. Maybe you have multi-generations sharing the space who like to interact and the shared experience. Some regular entertainers quiet often like the interaction between guests and the kitchen. The host isn't locked away missing the party while preparing food. If you think of how these types of people would use the space you can easily see its benefits for them. Some of the drawbacks you mentioned can be solved with a second smaller living area for quiet TV watching, butlers pantry for some food prep etc. Is an open floor plan for everyone? No.

i6osw9

architecture_train

[Ask] Architects, why are open floor plans so popular in homes? As a young engineer I see so many buildings plans with open floor plans, and I always wonder what's the appeal to them? I personally don't enjoy them for the following reasons, but am curious what your thoughts are. Maybe you can change my opinion on them. -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces -Difficulty controlling noise in an area -Lack of privacy between areas -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas)

g0xkncb

g100qh1

Simple: lower expense on the part of the developer as you basically don't have to make a couple of walls and doors. They honestly don't give a shit about the rest. A family that hired an architect will rarely employ open spaces, unless the site somehow has an issue (such as a lack of natural lighting or a desired perspective) or they require an uncommon solution (such as circular plan).

The simplest reason it's so pervasive is that it makes the spaces feel larger. Most people don't have an excess of space. Yeah if you're well off then having separated living areas, entertaining areas, etc. is all great. But when the option is between having 3 small/cramped spaces or 1 large space I think most people will go with the larger space most of the time. It also provides for more flexibility for different users and most housing is built on 'spec' (speculation) as in, not for a specific client who is going to live in that building but for a developer who is building it and hoping to sell it after construction. That sort of building demands maximum flexibility in spaces.

i6osw9

architecture_train

[Ask] Architects, why are open floor plans so popular in homes? As a young engineer I see so many buildings plans with open floor plans, and I always wonder what's the appeal to them? I personally don't enjoy them for the following reasons, but am curious what your thoughts are. Maybe you can change my opinion on them. -Difficulty in controlling lighting of an area as it bleeds into the other spaces -Difficulty controlling noise in an area -Lack of privacy between areas -Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) -Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) -Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) -Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) -Often requires special consideration for the span of the ceiling and the supporting truss structure above in longer open areas (I've seen cases where this has cost more than the cost of just having supporting walls for separating areas)

g0xkncb

g36e490

Simple: lower expense on the part of the developer as you basically don't have to make a couple of walls and doors. They honestly don't give a shit about the rest. A family that hired an architect will rarely employ open spaces, unless the site somehow has an issue (such as a lack of natural lighting or a desired perspective) or they require an uncommon solution (such as circular plan).

I agree with some others that this seems like a wierd list. Not saying this applies to you, but the read I get from it is a super traditional conservative vibe/upbringing. Since the openness usually from the combination of living room + dining room + kitchen + etc, and all the other rooms stay the same, I don't think noise or lighting control are issues in the first place. >Informal hosting (your guests may experience the mess of the open kitchen or other areas) Uh, yeah. We like it informal. Also, our kitchen isn't a mess. We keep it clean. Like, think luxary condo advertisement spotless. >Lack of surprise when hosting (Having a beautiful reveal of a meal or dessert brought out to the dining area from the kitchen can't really be done) All I can imagine reading this is a 1920s ad where the good little housewife in an apron is revealing food. That's not how we do it around here. Meal prep is the centerpiece of our night, with or without guests over. Having an open floorplan with a huge prep island and a couple stools means we can drink bourbon or wine while enjoying everyone's company *and* actively work on the food together. Not only that, it means that my gf can be watching YouTube on the projector while I'm in the kitchen, and I still get to hang out with her and talk to each other about what we are watching while making food. I absolutely loathe going off to some closed off little room to make a meal. Which turns into her either having to pause it, or me asking what I missed. A separate kitchen is super silly to us. Lastly, what even is a dining room any more? In my last place we threw away the dining room table, bought bar stools, got a bigger coffee table, and moved the couch back so that the two places to enjoy food are at the bar island or at the couch. The dining room and dining room table are just pointless imho unless the open floorplan is big enough to have it's own nook area. Even then, we usually just eat in the living room because it's cozy af. >-Minimal separation of activities (When watching "the Game" there is all the background noise of others talking around the dining area, or the noise of cooking) You'd be surprised how many people don't watch sports. The whole point of the open floorplan is to be able to be engaged together in one big common area. I don't know what kind of kitchen. You have but ours isn't that noisey. >-Uniform furniture design (To make the area look nice, usually all the furniture/furnishings need to be matching which can become boring) Another seemingly tired ideology. Most of the stuff we have is mismatched reclaimed, stained one-off retro shit. Maybe it's just because of the hipster vibes in East Nashville but matching furniture is about the further thing from anyone's mind here. Every peice of furniture I own I either built, or it has a story behind it. Anyway. Hopefully that helps. Sounds like those questions are just from a completely different lifestyle. Good luck!

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6equ03

h6em1eb

And Builders hate them all 😂

Architects want their design 1:1 in reality. We tell them that that's not possible/veeery difficult to do. We have to do most of the maths, making sure it wont crash n burn, etc. Bit at this point it just seems like a meme.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6equ03

h6emm2z

And Builders hate them all 😂

Not an architect or engineer, but here's my two cents worth: I think the difference starts with the difference in approach between conservative and progressive attitudes. Engineers are inherently conservative. They prefer to build what is known to work, what will endure. Aesthetics takes a back seat to function. Architects are a bit more progressive. They understand the importance of a building that is pleasing to inhabit. And they see themselves as drivers of engineering innovation. Basically, they come up with designs that push the envelope of what can be engineered. The result is that an architect will often come up with a beautiful design that looks great as a scale model shown to the client, but then the engineer has to figure out how to turn that model into a functional building. Aesthetics is what sells, engineering function is just a question of throwing money at it. It's not that cut and dried of course. Civil engineers often make beautiful designs and architects absolutely have to figure out the pragmatic engineering considerations. It's just a difference of emphasis.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6em1eb

h6f8u0v

Architects want their design 1:1 in reality. We tell them that that's not possible/veeery difficult to do. We have to do most of the maths, making sure it wont crash n burn, etc. Bit at this point it just seems like a meme.

Because my civil engineer won't ever give me his drawings on time and I have to explain that to the client in a way that doesn't make me look like I can't control my consultants.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f18cq

h6f8u0v

The development industry is fraught with conflicting worldviews. You have builders and engineers that want to stick to tried and tested, no frills solutions. They may be dealing with existing infrastructure shortcomings or challenging site conditions. You have architects and urban designers who want emphasise aesthetics and the implementation of theory. Sympathetic materials, passive surveillance, connectivity etc, which can sometimes be at odds with the practical solutions. You have urban planners that are often trying to mediate the above groups, with varying levels of success. They can often be too shackled by the legislative process or planning framework they're obligated to uphold. And finally you gave the owner/developer, who typically prioritise profit and viability above all else. All the above groups may come to a consensus, but if it's not profitable or viable then you can kiss it goodbye. Personally I often think this is the biggest source of conflict. The amount of times a potential development could work perfectly with the removal of one or two houses, only to be told absolutely not because it affects profitability... The likelihood you're going to achieve what each group wants is pretty slim, so that breeds frustration and contempt.

Because my civil engineer won't ever give me his drawings on time and I have to explain that to the client in a way that doesn't make me look like I can't control my consultants.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f8u0v

h6emm2z

Because my civil engineer won't ever give me his drawings on time and I have to explain that to the client in a way that doesn't make me look like I can't control my consultants.

Not an architect or engineer, but here's my two cents worth: I think the difference starts with the difference in approach between conservative and progressive attitudes. Engineers are inherently conservative. They prefer to build what is known to work, what will endure. Aesthetics takes a back seat to function. Architects are a bit more progressive. They understand the importance of a building that is pleasing to inhabit. And they see themselves as drivers of engineering innovation. Basically, they come up with designs that push the envelope of what can be engineered. The result is that an architect will often come up with a beautiful design that looks great as a scale model shown to the client, but then the engineer has to figure out how to turn that model into a functional building. Aesthetics is what sells, engineering function is just a question of throwing money at it. It's not that cut and dried of course. Civil engineers often make beautiful designs and architects absolutely have to figure out the pragmatic engineering considerations. It's just a difference of emphasis.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f8u0v

h6f621a

Because my civil engineer won't ever give me his drawings on time and I have to explain that to the client in a way that doesn't make me look like I can't control my consultants.

I don't know that I've come across a ton of animosity between civil and architects, often because civil engineers are in many cases hired by the architect as a consultant or are in on the very early stages of design. I think there's a bit of resentment in a lot of these trades where people dislike the idea that someone who knows less than what they do about what they're doing has more authority on the project. Where I do see animosity is between architects and contractors. That is a toxic relationship on pretty much every job. Contractors absolutely disrespect architects (mostly for not having the same knowledge of their craft as they do, which is silly), and architects sometimes find contractors be suspect because in a traditional design-bid-build environment the contractor is incentivized to do things as cheap as possible in order to maximize his bottom line without really any regard for what the architect prioritizes (which is usually delivering maximum value for the client). There's a built in conflict of interest there and its made worse by the fact that once the project goes into construction the architect loses a lot of power over the end result for legal reasons. As others have said because to the owner viability and profit are valued above all else (depending on the project) an inexperienced or overly money conscious client will often side with the contractor and the job gets amputated and because no one in the public knows the process the architect is the one who gets blamed. You see this come to a head during VE exercises, where a contractor will make his list of what he thinks can be done cheaper and its invariably the very thing that makes the project special or delivers value. It's akin to someone saying "hey we can make *Jurassic Park* for 30 million cheaper if we get rid of the dinosaurs," because often GCs don't really have a sense for what aspects of a project are really the drivers of value for the client because they're often brought in after the project is mostly designed. A lot of times to the contractor value is considered only from the standpoint of what it costs to build and not necessarily from how well the project works once its completed which is more how an architect is thinking about things. Sometimes this manifests as things that you would think would be inexpensive being marked up to some insane price to discourage the owner from doing it. I'm not saying all contractors are playing these kinds of games, but it happens a lot because their business model and point of view runs counter to an architect's. I'm not letting architects off the hook though because architects are notoriously prone to talk down to Interior Designers, even those who come from architecture backgrounds.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f8u0v

h6f3mym

Because my civil engineer won't ever give me his drawings on time and I have to explain that to the client in a way that doesn't make me look like I can't control my consultants.

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6emm2z

h6f18cq

Not an architect or engineer, but here's my two cents worth: I think the difference starts with the difference in approach between conservative and progressive attitudes. Engineers are inherently conservative. They prefer to build what is known to work, what will endure. Aesthetics takes a back seat to function. Architects are a bit more progressive. They understand the importance of a building that is pleasing to inhabit. And they see themselves as drivers of engineering innovation. Basically, they come up with designs that push the envelope of what can be engineered. The result is that an architect will often come up with a beautiful design that looks great as a scale model shown to the client, but then the engineer has to figure out how to turn that model into a functional building. Aesthetics is what sells, engineering function is just a question of throwing money at it. It's not that cut and dried of course. Civil engineers often make beautiful designs and architects absolutely have to figure out the pragmatic engineering considerations. It's just a difference of emphasis.

The development industry is fraught with conflicting worldviews. You have builders and engineers that want to stick to tried and tested, no frills solutions. They may be dealing with existing infrastructure shortcomings or challenging site conditions. You have architects and urban designers who want emphasise aesthetics and the implementation of theory. Sympathetic materials, passive surveillance, connectivity etc, which can sometimes be at odds with the practical solutions. You have urban planners that are often trying to mediate the above groups, with varying levels of success. They can often be too shackled by the legislative process or planning framework they're obligated to uphold. And finally you gave the owner/developer, who typically prioritise profit and viability above all else. All the above groups may come to a consensus, but if it's not profitable or viable then you can kiss it goodbye. Personally I often think this is the biggest source of conflict. The amount of times a potential development could work perfectly with the removal of one or two houses, only to be told absolutely not because it affects profitability... The likelihood you're going to achieve what each group wants is pretty slim, so that breeds frustration and contempt.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f3mym

h6f621a

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

I don't know that I've come across a ton of animosity between civil and architects, often because civil engineers are in many cases hired by the architect as a consultant or are in on the very early stages of design. I think there's a bit of resentment in a lot of these trades where people dislike the idea that someone who knows less than what they do about what they're doing has more authority on the project. Where I do see animosity is between architects and contractors. That is a toxic relationship on pretty much every job. Contractors absolutely disrespect architects (mostly for not having the same knowledge of their craft as they do, which is silly), and architects sometimes find contractors be suspect because in a traditional design-bid-build environment the contractor is incentivized to do things as cheap as possible in order to maximize his bottom line without really any regard for what the architect prioritizes (which is usually delivering maximum value for the client). There's a built in conflict of interest there and its made worse by the fact that once the project goes into construction the architect loses a lot of power over the end result for legal reasons. As others have said because to the owner viability and profit are valued above all else (depending on the project) an inexperienced or overly money conscious client will often side with the contractor and the job gets amputated and because no one in the public knows the process the architect is the one who gets blamed. You see this come to a head during VE exercises, where a contractor will make his list of what he thinks can be done cheaper and its invariably the very thing that makes the project special or delivers value. It's akin to someone saying "hey we can make *Jurassic Park* for 30 million cheaper if we get rid of the dinosaurs," because often GCs don't really have a sense for what aspects of a project are really the drivers of value for the client because they're often brought in after the project is mostly designed. A lot of times to the contractor value is considered only from the standpoint of what it costs to build and not necessarily from how well the project works once its completed which is more how an architect is thinking about things. Sometimes this manifests as things that you would think would be inexpensive being marked up to some insane price to discourage the owner from doing it. I'm not saying all contractors are playing these kinds of games, but it happens a lot because their business model and point of view runs counter to an architect's. I'm not letting architects off the hook though because architects are notoriously prone to talk down to Interior Designers, even those who come from architecture backgrounds.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6i0cyk

h6fb311

CE: but why? A: why not? Pretty much sums it up

Architects see the beauty of the outside, engineers (structural) see only the structural integrity of the insides. I once worked for a company that was owned by the structural engineer and him and his architect came to blows and shouting matches all the time.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6i0cyk

h6f3mym

CE: but why? A: why not? Pretty much sums it up

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6gbaav

h6i0cyk

Architects probably hate certain other architects more then they do civil engineers and builders

CE: but why? A: why not? Pretty much sums it up

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6fb311

h6f3mym

Architects see the beauty of the outside, engineers (structural) see only the structural integrity of the insides. I once worked for a company that was owned by the structural engineer and him and his architect came to blows and shouting matches all the time.

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

h6f3mym

h6gbaav

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

Architects probably hate certain other architects more then they do civil engineers and builders

oqy17h

architecture_train

Why do Architects & Civil Engineers hate each other so much? Instead of trying to demean each other's profession, we could do wonders if we identify the faults in both profession and work together to resolve it.

ioknvzk

h6f3mym

I've spent a lifetime in the Architectural millwork industry - Two year apprenticeship; two years as a sawyer; sixteen years as a Journeyman millwright and twenty-six years as a millwork engineer. The average Architect truly believes that a few years of interdisciplinary education somehow gives them greater knowledge than unwashed heathens like myself and will quibble over things they actually know very little about. I don't mind explaining that American chestnut (Castanea dentata) is technically extinct, existing only in small, experimental stands of transgenic and hybridized trees today. I don't mind explaining that a lock-miter is not a viable joinery technique for a circular fixture. I don't mind explaining that the maximum allowable ADA counter height cannot be the starting point for a fixture that requires leveling on site. I don't mind explaining that Julius Blum & Co, Inc is not the same company as Blum GmbH or that Westinghouse has not manufactured countertop laminate since I was a teenager or any of a dozen other esoteric aspects of my industry. What I mind is the extreme arrogance and sometimes downright nastiness when I have to.

Haha that’s a great joke, I gotta write that down.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5j3cb

ha5pw82

Because I am a dog and only have paws for hands. Ruff.

Low pay and long hours, combined with crazy requirements for licensure compared to engineering. So became an engineer instead. I also didn't have big ideas of designing the next big thing so it didn't bother me.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5s133

ha5j3cb

I’m still training, but it’s the idea that something I design will be lived in and experienced by other people. The spaces we inhabit can profoundly effect the way we live our lives, and being able to change that for the better really excites me.

Because I am a dog and only have paws for hands. Ruff.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5j3cb

ha5udyx

Because I am a dog and only have paws for hands. Ruff.

Because architecture school was actually interesting and engaging opposed to any other degree.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5yea2

ha5zgcy

My interest in achitecture only came up quite recently. I'm in my mid-30s and already have a good job in another field.

I actually went from engineering to architecture. I always kind of knew I’d end up in the architecture thing, but it was hard to accept the pay and long hours at first. But if you’re doing a job adjacent to the one you want, but not the one you want, it really wears on you.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5zgcy

ha5z2t6

I actually went from engineering to architecture. I always kind of knew I’d end up in the architecture thing, but it was hard to accept the pay and long hours at first. But if you’re doing a job adjacent to the one you want, but not the one you want, it really wears on you.

Because I love drawing and I sensibly decided that it was less risky than art school and more likely to provide a stable career. Been qualified / registered for 12 years and haven't drawn anything for about 6 years. Now it's all computer models, dynamo coding, databases. Career will be non existent in 20 years.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5yea2

ha6728l

My interest in achitecture only came up quite recently. I'm in my mid-30s and already have a good job in another field.

I lost interest in becoming an architect when I saw what they actually did. As a kid I wanted to design and build exciting, innovative environments but the stuff that I saw architects designing that I thought were cool were just projects that never got built. All those amazing projects are amazing because they are so rare.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5z2t6

ha6728l

Because I love drawing and I sensibly decided that it was less risky than art school and more likely to provide a stable career. Been qualified / registered for 12 years and haven't drawn anything for about 6 years. Now it's all computer models, dynamo coding, databases. Career will be non existent in 20 years.

I lost interest in becoming an architect when I saw what they actually did. As a kid I wanted to design and build exciting, innovative environments but the stuff that I saw architects designing that I thought were cool were just projects that never got built. All those amazing projects are amazing because they are so rare.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5yea2

ha674w9

My interest in achitecture only came up quite recently. I'm in my mid-30s and already have a good job in another field.

Parents exposed me to real estate business. I love how the structures are built and designed. Next thing I know, I am up for a state university full scholarship to take architecture. Fun and stressful. Graduated, worked in a firm. Covid -19 happened. Licensure examinations cancelled 5 times. Now I am lost, and hopeless. Still, technically not an Architect.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5z2t6

ha674w9

Because I love drawing and I sensibly decided that it was less risky than art school and more likely to provide a stable career. Been qualified / registered for 12 years and haven't drawn anything for about 6 years. Now it's all computer models, dynamo coding, databases. Career will be non existent in 20 years.

Parents exposed me to real estate business. I love how the structures are built and designed. Next thing I know, I am up for a state university full scholarship to take architecture. Fun and stressful. Graduated, worked in a firm. Covid -19 happened. Licensure examinations cancelled 5 times. Now I am lost, and hopeless. Still, technically not an Architect.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6b50j

ha69u9z

Coming from a non-American, who doesn't live and has never practiced in the US: I see the way the PA title is glorified there as quite problematic. This may be a highly controversial opinion but the title of PA does nothing more than making you a glorified paper pusher. Other than sinning the finished projects an architectural designer can pretty much do everything else a PA can. Many of the greatest architects in modern history were unlicensed and just had other people sign their projects for the gov. paperwork. I'm actually planning on following this career path and a position as a software developer in an architecture team for a medium/large firm is my dream job since High School. So I've given some thought to this exact scenario for some years myself. I think that working on the environment of a firm and pursuing personal projects would suffice your need to shed light on your mind. And as for designing the next BIG thing, you're not giving up your passion, knowledge or even the field, and if any day you change your mind and do have an epiphany, you'll be surrounded by licensed architects that can help you build it. Going with larger companies on the beginning of your carrier is a move that can substantially improve your progression later on. As for your actual question. I'm enrolled in a Integrated Masters Program in Europe right now and plan to get my license after completing the course and the required internship. This whole process, from right out of high school to getting the license takes 6 years, if it took 8 or 9 like the US I wouldn't bother.

It just never came together, I guess? I was talented enough to get a few internships during school, but the opportunities I got afterwards were just never quite right in terms of location or timing. I’m not sure if I wasn’t talented enough or just had poor timing economically. It didn’t really help that the nine-to-five thing always kind of felt like torture to me. In the US, there are about 7,000 professional degrees granted every year. There are fewer than 100,000 Registered Architects, so many (most?) people actually do something adjacent. For me, it ended up being some academia and consulting type work.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha5z2t6

ha6b50j

Because I love drawing and I sensibly decided that it was less risky than art school and more likely to provide a stable career. Been qualified / registered for 12 years and haven't drawn anything for about 6 years. Now it's all computer models, dynamo coding, databases. Career will be non existent in 20 years.

Coming from a non-American, who doesn't live and has never practiced in the US: I see the way the PA title is glorified there as quite problematic. This may be a highly controversial opinion but the title of PA does nothing more than making you a glorified paper pusher. Other than sinning the finished projects an architectural designer can pretty much do everything else a PA can. Many of the greatest architects in modern history were unlicensed and just had other people sign their projects for the gov. paperwork. I'm actually planning on following this career path and a position as a software developer in an architecture team for a medium/large firm is my dream job since High School. So I've given some thought to this exact scenario for some years myself. I think that working on the environment of a firm and pursuing personal projects would suffice your need to shed light on your mind. And as for designing the next BIG thing, you're not giving up your passion, knowledge or even the field, and if any day you change your mind and do have an epiphany, you'll be surrounded by licensed architects that can help you build it. Going with larger companies on the beginning of your carrier is a move that can substantially improve your progression later on. As for your actual question. I'm enrolled in a Integrated Masters Program in Europe right now and plan to get my license after completing the course and the required internship. This whole process, from right out of high school to getting the license takes 6 years, if it took 8 or 9 like the US I wouldn't bother.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6b50j

ha69y2e

Coming from a non-American, who doesn't live and has never practiced in the US: I see the way the PA title is glorified there as quite problematic. This may be a highly controversial opinion but the title of PA does nothing more than making you a glorified paper pusher. Other than sinning the finished projects an architectural designer can pretty much do everything else a PA can. Many of the greatest architects in modern history were unlicensed and just had other people sign their projects for the gov. paperwork. I'm actually planning on following this career path and a position as a software developer in an architecture team for a medium/large firm is my dream job since High School. So I've given some thought to this exact scenario for some years myself. I think that working on the environment of a firm and pursuing personal projects would suffice your need to shed light on your mind. And as for designing the next BIG thing, you're not giving up your passion, knowledge or even the field, and if any day you change your mind and do have an epiphany, you'll be surrounded by licensed architects that can help you build it. Going with larger companies on the beginning of your carrier is a move that can substantially improve your progression later on. As for your actual question. I'm enrolled in a Integrated Masters Program in Europe right now and plan to get my license after completing the course and the required internship. This whole process, from right out of high school to getting the license takes 6 years, if it took 8 or 9 like the US I wouldn't bother.

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha69y2e

ha6pr7k

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

After studying architecture for 7 years, I found my passion for Archviz and ended up leaving uni to dedicate a 100% of my time to it. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made 😄

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gpbf

ha6pr7k

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

After studying architecture for 7 years, I found my passion for Archviz and ended up leaving uni to dedicate a 100% of my time to it. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made 😄

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gym4

ha6pr7k

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

After studying architecture for 7 years, I found my passion for Archviz and ended up leaving uni to dedicate a 100% of my time to it. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made 😄

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6pr7k

ha6kkla

After studying architecture for 7 years, I found my passion for Archviz and ended up leaving uni to dedicate a 100% of my time to it. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made 😄

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6pr7k

ha6o550

After studying architecture for 7 years, I found my passion for Archviz and ended up leaving uni to dedicate a 100% of my time to it. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made 😄

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7bwgd

ha6qhc3

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7bwgd

ha70oq1

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha73i7x

ha7bwgd

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7bwgd

ha69y2e

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gpbf

ha7bwgd

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gym4

ha7bwgd

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7bwgd

ha6kkla

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6o550

ha7bwgd

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6ylw8

ha7bwgd

I had several career ideas when I was younger. One of them was architect. My main reason for not choosing it was because (I thought) I had better opportunities in business, so I pursued that. Additionally, I also learned it's a very competitive career, and my taste in architecture isn't really popular nowadays. I like older/80s architecture and everything built today is basically in international or modern styles, so I don't think I would have done well.

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7bwgd

ha7aji1

I prefer designing and building compared to slaving away at a computer for too long and too little pay. The industry as a whole is generally toxic, racist, and out of touch. No thanks!

Not an architect never will be, just a fan

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6qhc3

ha69y2e

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6qhc3

ha6gpbf

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6qhc3

ha6gym4

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6kkla

ha6qhc3

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6o550

ha6qhc3

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

I wanted (and still want) to provide society with sustainable, well designed places to work and live in. Now working in a medium-sized firm and start to see the obstacles, which mostly are just closed-mindedness and laziness on the part of my coworkers and fear of innovation (even if it has been done many times in other places) and high cost from clients. But I’ve always been highly ideological, so I won’t give up easily.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha70oq1

ha69y2e

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha70oq1

ha6gpbf

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha70oq1

ha6gym4

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6kkla

ha70oq1

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha70oq1

ha6o550

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6ylw8

ha70oq1

I had several career ideas when I was younger. One of them was architect. My main reason for not choosing it was because (I thought) I had better opportunities in business, so I pursued that. Additionally, I also learned it's a very competitive career, and my taste in architecture isn't really popular nowadays. I like older/80s architecture and everything built today is basically in international or modern styles, so I don't think I would have done well.

I jumped into Architecture school without knowing much about it because a high school teacher suggested it when I told them my favorite classes were science and art. I stuck with it and got into Architecture as a profession because they were right, and I started to really like it once I started learning more.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha69y2e

ha73i7x

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gpbf

ha73i7x

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha73i7x

ha6gym4

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6kkla

ha73i7x

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha73i7x

ha6o550

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha73i7x

ha6ylw8

I didn't because I wasn't interested in floor plan layout. I took enough classes to realize it was totally uninteresting. A professor pointed me to landscape architecture and layout of landscape design has way more freedom of expression and interesting constraints (living ones).

I had several career ideas when I was younger. One of them was architect. My main reason for not choosing it was because (I thought) I had better opportunities in business, so I pursued that. Additionally, I also learned it's a very competitive career, and my taste in architecture isn't really popular nowadays. I like older/80s architecture and everything built today is basically in international or modern styles, so I don't think I would have done well.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha69y2e

ha7iv3n

Went through school, now working in a small firm designing houses. Not much but it's honest work. Hoping to one day find more of a design-build firm that will allow me to work my other passions into my architectural design. IE furniture design, lighting design, etc. Still not sure whether I want to pursue licensure yet, but that's fine because I'm still young. Not entirely satisfied with just architectural design and need a little more of a creative outlet.

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7iv3n

ha7h4im

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

Old millennial here - Mainly it was the idea of being able to play with computers and be creative for the rest of my life

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7iv3n

ha6gpbf

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

I was interested in high school, but the university I attended did not have it as a major so I changed plans. It all worked out though, I have realized that I enjoy architecture more as a hobby than a profession

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6gym4

ha7iv3n

I was always fascinated with history from young age , and one of the most important part of history that still valid till now is Architecture, so when i get to choose i found it the closest to my heart ..

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6kkla

ha7iv3n

Because in my country it's expensive and besides, you need to have connections, your skill means nothing. Also, my teacher discouraged me from pursuing anything of that sort because I was wearing glasses. This was in the early 2000s.

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha6o550

ha7iv3n

I passed computer engineering university entrance exam. Then i realized that the course is way over my intellectual capability. So i decided to shift to architecture. Now I feel overworked and underpaid but there is something in me that I enjoyed beingvan architect.

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7iv3n

ha6ylw8

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

I had several career ideas when I was younger. One of them was architect. My main reason for not choosing it was because (I thought) I had better opportunities in business, so I pursued that. Additionally, I also learned it's a very competitive career, and my taste in architecture isn't really popular nowadays. I like older/80s architecture and everything built today is basically in international or modern styles, so I don't think I would have done well.

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7aji1

ha7iv3n

Not an architect never will be, just a fan

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?

pal5q4

architecture_train

So why did you guys become an architect or why didn't you? I know it's a broad question but it's something I'm tossing in my head. Recently I was offered a graduate architect at a medium sized firm. Whilst that happened a large firm offered me a job as a developer. To aid them to build software add-ons and tools for the architecture team. I know that if I stayed with them I wouldn't be an architect. At the same time if I go with the other guys, I'll deffo be an architect eventually. I have some knowledge of the practice. I'm not a bright eye kiddo who wanna design the next BIG thing. I just wanna shed some thoughts to shed some light into my inner subconscious.

ha7i74o

ha7iv3n

Knew I didn’t want to be an architect four years into the six year degree. Spent time doing more design, video, music work while finishing up school. Went into design and music instead and now work in print for the day job. Doing design for a few months and then managing a project for two years was not something I had any interest in. At one of the firms I worked at a guy had been in the same job for thirteen years. No thanks. Ultimately I loved the education and discourse but don’t enjoy the work. I ended up working in a university setting for a while with an architecture school which was fun. But yeah.

Are you talking about software programming or architecture (as in buildings)?