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I was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country station sponsored a kazoo giveaway. After a particularly bad call by the underexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice. I thought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully unhappy.

rec.sport.hockey

Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

rec.motorcycles

Hello src readers, Again the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox Churches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion about it a while ago. Then OFM comments : With my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration is needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter : Under the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed to the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played leading roles in Christian theology. They were invited everywhere to speak about the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the Ecumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said that the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend all their time in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics started to intermingle with Church affairs. It all started when the Emperor Marcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St. Dioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later exiled, to this interference was clear: "You have nothing to do with the Church." These political motives became even more apparent in Chalcedon in 451, when the Coptic Church was unfairly accused of following the teachings of Eutyches, who believed in monophysitism. This doctrine maintains that the Lord Jesus Christ has only one nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine. The Coptic Church has never believed in monophysitism the way it was portrayed in the Council of Chalcedon! In that Council, monophysitism meant believing in one nature. Copts believe that the Lord is perfect in His divinity, and He is perfect in His humanity, but His divinity and His humanity were united in one nature called "the nature of the incarnate word", which was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria. Copts, thus, believe in two natures "human" and "divine" that are united in one "without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration" (from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). These two natures "did not separate for a moment or the twinkling of an eye" (also from the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy). The Coptic Church was misunderstood in the 5th century at the Council of Chalcedon. Perhaps the Council understood the Church correctly, but they wanted to exile the Church, to isolate it and to abolish the Egyptian, independent Pope. Despite all of this, the Coptic Church has remained very strict and steadfast in its faith. Whether it was a conspiracy from the Western Churches to exile the Coptic Church as a punishment for its refusal to be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus didn't quite go the extra mile to make the point that Copts are not monophysite, the Coptic Church has always felt a mandate to reconcile "semantic" differences between all Christian Churches. This is aptly expressed by the current 117th successor of St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III: "To the Coptic Church, faith is more important than anything, and others must know that semantics and terminology are of little importance to us." Throughout this century, the Coptic Church has played an important role in the ecumenical movement. The Coptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has remained a member of that council since 1948 A.D. The Coptic Church is a member of the all African Council of Churches (AACC) and the Middle East Council of Churches (MECC). The Church plays an important role in the Christian movement by conducting dialogues aiming at resolving the theological differences with the Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and Evangelical Churches. [...] As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in Monophysitism. Peace, Nabil .-------------------------------------------------------------. / Nabil Ayoub ____/ __ / ____/ / / Engine Research Center / / / / / / Dept. of Mechanical Engineering ___/ __ / / / / University of Wisconsin-Madison / / | / / / Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu _____/ __/ _| _____/ / '-------------------------------------------------------------' [As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me is confused. I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite. As Andrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were actually opposite parties. The point I was making, which Nabil explains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered heretical probably aren't. Chalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and Antiochenes. It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable to moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes. I agree that there were extremes that were heretical. However in the course of the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got rejected who didn't intend heresy, but simply used language that was not understood or even was mispresented. And some seem not to have jointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine. There are groups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps. This posting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians. There are also a remaining Nestorians. Like some of the current so-called monophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called Nestorians are not heretical either. They sheltered Nestorius from what they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his heresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of the Antiochene tradition.

soc.religion.christian

There are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena. You might have to pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them. Look on the street under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt, or even around Gate 1. The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay, and during the regular season you could usually find some for near face value or below if you wait until game time. Might be better to pick them up earlier now, though.

rec.sport.hockey

I believe it goes or will go: 680060 powerPC Pentium 680040 486 680030 386 680020 286=680000 In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think it laps the pentium. pro-life pro-women

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Howdy chaps Has anybody got any pointers to good C, Pascal, etc compilers for microcontrollers, shareware or otherwise ? My specific need is for 8051 C, but if the responses are many and varied I will post a summary. Cheers Mike

sci.electronics

Maddi Hausmann chirps: That's nice. You forgot the third equality...whirrr...click...whirrr...see below... = Maddi "The Mad Sound-O-Geek" Hausmann ...whirrr...click...whirrr -- Bake Timmons, III

alt.atheism

: : Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it back to GXxor)...

comp.windows.x

I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on its screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM. So, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you'd have a hard time SEEING the grayscale image you want to print. Doug

comp.sys.mac.hardware

I agree totally with you! Amen! You stated it better and in less world than I did.

Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a small price to pay for the common good don't you think?

talk.politics.misc

Israel - Happy 45th Birthday!

You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you were looking for the old 8" or the newer 5.25". Sorry, just use them at work and don't think they would appreciate it.

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

I have some used, but working, parts available for the original IBM laptop - the PC Convertible. If you have one of these things, and still are using it, you may have found out that IBM wants OUTRAGEOUS prices for parts. I built up a supply of enough parts to keep mine going for a few years, and will be willing to part with the rest. Basically, I have all the standard parts EXCEPT: Motherboard Battery Power Supply I've got a few of the accessories, too - just ask. These are in very limited supply, however. I've basically just cannibalized a couple of old machines. If you are interested, please e-mail me.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

No, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can discuss the subjective merits of religion objectively. This should be obvious. People here have said that everyone would be better off without religion, but this almost certainly isn't true. But, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used for murder. Should both be taken away? That is to say, I don't think motto misuse warrants its removal. At least not in this case.

alt.atheism

I'm greatly in need of Jurgen Moltmann's book God in Creation: An Ecological Doctrine of Creation. If you have a copy you're willing to part with, I'd love to hear from you soon. You may call me at 312-702- 8367 or e-mail me. Thanks.

talk.religion.misc

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I am hoping to produce the first update of the BB DDD this week; please send info about the most significant (longest, most critical, etc.) home run that you have seen yet this season.

rec.sport.baseball

Bill, I find it rather remarkable that you managed to zero in on what is probably the weakest evidence. What is probably the most convincing is the anti-Christian literature put out by the Jewish councils in the second century. There are enormous quantities of detailed arguments against Christianity, many of the arguments still being used today. Despite volumes of tracts attacking Christianity, not one denies the existance of Jesus, only of his activities. I find this considerably more compelling than Josephus or the harmony of the gospels (especially considering that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as a source).

talk.religion.misc

I'd like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c. The X distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say it has been tested on the machine. BUT, also in the release notes, nothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers. What am I supposed to use for my r5 X server then? How can the OS be supported, but not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can be used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but I'm *really* confused. -- mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu

comp.windows.x

can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis? i heard it's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names of a specialist/surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park area (raleigh/durham/chapel hill) who is familiar with the condition, i would really appreciate it. thanks. --Naomi

sci.med

Actually, the reboost will probably be done last, so that there is a fuel reserve during the EVAs (in case they have to chase down an adrift astronaut or something like that). But yes, you've got the idea -- the reboost is done by taking the whole shuttle up. Somebody has to build that thruster module; it's not an off-the-shelf item. Nor is it a trivial piece of hardware, since it has to include attitude control (HST's own is not strong enough to compensate for things like thruster imbalance), guidance (there is no provision to feed gyro data from HST's own gyros to an external device), and separation (you don't want it left attached afterward, if only to avoid possible contamination after the telescope lid is opened again). You also get to worry about whether the lid is going to open after the reboost is done and HST is inaccessible to the shuttle (the lid stays closed for the duration of all of this to prevent mirror contamination from thrusters and the like). The original plan was to use the Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle to do the reboost. The OMV was planned to be a sort of small space tug, well suited to precisely this sort of job. Unfortunately, it was costing a lot to develop and the list of definitely-known applications was relatively short, so it got cancelled.

sci.space

I recently bought a pack of prospect hockey cards which had various players that were coming into the NHL. I got this particular card of a Russian named Viktor Kozlov. It says "many scouts believe he will be the #1 pick in 1993". Another guy is quoted as saying "He's as good as Mario Lemieux". Anyone know who this guy is?????

rec.sport.hockey

Hi! I remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had been given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so, (set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line X server support? Thanks!

comp.windows.x

: From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff) : Message-ID: <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu> : It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications : would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future : probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained. I think it is unlikely that data like this could be used in court. Currently LEAs can install wiretaps on large numbers of phones, record calls without listening to them, and then post-facto obtain warrants and listen to calls after probable cause is established. But this strategy wouldn't get the stuff admitted in court. (At least, not in the near term.) In other words, near as I can tell, the thing that makes such evidence inadmissable is the interception without a warrant, not the attempt to interpret what was intercepted without a warrant. I'd be surprised that archiving data without consent would be interpreted as anything but analogous to a wiretap by the courts. Note that that doesn't mean I think it won't be done if technically feasible. Just as I'm sure many wiretaps are done now without warrants, just to fish for avenues to investigate. So in the future, start surveilance, start archiving data, trump up some probable cause, decrypt post-facto after the warrant is in hand, and the investigation gets a boost from data that, sadly, won't ever be presented to a jury. While I'm posting... for an interesting cautionary tale projecting this archiving scenario to extremes, read "Lacey and his Friends", a collection of sf stories by David Drake. The US starts down the slippery slope by archiving *everyghing*. But don't worry folks, it's stored in a secure repository where nobody but LEAs with warrants can get to it. And by the way, we'll be installing cameras on all major streets. Hey, this is nothing new, we already have cameras in banks and teller machines, don't we? And then we'll pass laws requiring cameras covering *all* public places. Then in some private places. Then we'll make it a crime ever to be out of range of a camera, except in legally licensed privacy cubicles. Only alone. And with a thorough body search before and after. But, see, there's still a right to privacy. We haven't curtailed any rights, not really. And just think how much easier it'd be to solve crimes in such a situation: just obtain a warrant, put on a VR helmet and take a walk down memory lane. And hey, nobody'll be tracking *you* or *me*, no need to be self-conscious. After all, if you're not doing anything illegal... Funny, though. While speeding and the radar detector industry became pretty much a thing of the past, somehow all this didn't elminate all crime in the story. And somehow, politicians got exemptions on grounds of national security, and rich corporations got exemptions for their execs on grounds of industrial espionage and the preservation of competition. And not everybody was exactly happy with the system. I can't imagine why.

sci.crypt

Two Round-Trip Tickets O'Hare --> Tuscon American Airlines Good thru November No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at $750 for both (Paid $925) Hopefully someone can use these as I have no use for them, and don't know a way to get my moneys worth without going to Tuscon again! ` E-Mail only at this time tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Now why would AT&T or Butler Services have anything to do with my warped ramblings?! Crabby-Old-Fart Mechanical/PCB Designer w/buku CAD background, & still working on BSCS is looking for work! Wants to take a shot at ASIC/IC Layout!! -------------------------------------------------------------- A.R.Tripp - a.k.a. tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com

misc.forsale

I have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house, leaving me with a condo to sell... It was originally listed at 59,000, but is now listed at $54,900. The following is a list of features. Master Bedroom 14x11 Bedroom 11x10 Living Room 16x13 Dining Room 10x9 Kitchen 9x11 w/ extra cabinets 1 Full / Modern Bathroom Full wtw carpeting /new/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating /converting to gas this summer/, central air, condo fee $183/mo INCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts. In addition: washer, dryer /both in condo/, refrigerator, dishwasher, 2 ceiling fans, all window treatments /I don't understand why I can't call them curtains.../, and a mantle! Large storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated parking. If you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership, please call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency: 609-546-0004. She'll arrange for a showing off. Now for that disclaimer caca: Subject to errors, changes, ommissions, withdrawls, and sales without notice. This posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial agency. I simply want out. Flames can be sent to /dev/null

misc.forsale

^^^ If french is your language, try counting in french in stead, maybe it will work better.... :-)

comp.graphics

: [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)] : : >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other, : >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or : >by applying pressure on the pubic bone... : : Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral : vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine. : It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a : lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone, : break it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know. : Oh come now, surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of electromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows with a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe. Don't you know anything?

sci.med

---------- Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left out the part about "we all ate the same thing." Changes things a bit, eh? You complain that people blame MSG automatically, since it's an unknown and therefore must be the cause. It is equally (if not more) unreasonable to defend it, automatically assuming that it CAN'T be the culprit. Pepper makes me sneeze. If it doesn't affect you the same way, fine. Just don't tell me I'm wrong for saying so.

sci.med

From article <C4zLJ8.Bun@queernet.org>, by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese): #>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit. #>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support #>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding #>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like #>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so. Perhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the SF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some clue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don't know...

talk.politics.misc

With regards to my condemnation of Marc's ridiculous attacks on the American Department of Justice, and further attacks on Jews, to anyone who took offense to my calling Marc stupid, I apologize for pointing out the obvious. It was a waste of the Net's time. I hope, though, that most American citizens have the basic knowlege of the structure of American government to understand the relationship between the Justice Department as a part of the Executive Branch, and the Courts, which are of the Judicial Branch. Marc's ignorance of basic civic knowlege underscores his inability to comprehend and interpret foreign affairs.

talk.politics.mideast

please e-mail me too, thanks ...howard hfeldman@infoserv.com ---------------------------------------------------------------

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

They three more division. Jason, I am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium. I am so happy. But Cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs. They were an up and coming team, now they are just a sad excuse for a better average.

rec.sport.baseball

Are any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this July?

soc.religion.christian

Does anybody have any idea where I could find a program that can convert a .GIF image into a .BMP image suitable for a Windows wallpaper (i.e. 256 colors). Hopefully there's something out there I can get from an ftp site somewhere... Thanks in advance...

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

]Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? yes.

rec.motorcycles

Is there anyone out there running a Chicago National League Ballclub list? If so, please send me information on it to... andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu Thanks!

rec.sport.baseball

We have a LAN where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms. For the moment we are only working on MAC and DOS/Windows. The department has always used sneaker net to transport files to the MAC, since it requires a filter to strip out the <LF> characters. Until recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate, and as a result, the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together at the end of each week so that a new system could be build. We are now trying to streamline this process, but are hampered by the lack of software that will allow us to share files across PC and MAC platforms. I understand that PVCS used to do this, but that they no longer support the MAC product (anyone know why ?? Polytron ?). I have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms, so I assume that ours is not a new problem. Who has had to deal with it ? What solutions have you come up with? thanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or EMAIL. If there are enough EMAIL responses then I will post a synopsis of the knowledge. -Charles Emmons

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

Could you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid. Sorta like the portable Iron Lung? Put some sort of flex tubing around the 'aquanauts' chest. Cyclically compress it and it will push enough on the chest wall to support breathing????? You'd have to trust your breather, but in space, you have to trust your suit anyway.

sci.space

I need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely MicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to be expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The current proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the application. I would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an application on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that the network traffic is slow. Replies only by e-mail please. Thanks, in advance.

comp.windows.x

In fact, you probably want to avoid US Government anything for such a project. The pricetag is invariably too high, either in money or in hassles. The important thing to realize here is that the big cost of getting to the Moon is getting into low Earth orbit. Everything else is practically down in the noise. The only part of getting to the Moon that poses any new problems, beyond what you face in low orbit, is the last 10km -- the actual landing -- and that is not immensely difficult. Of course, you *can* spend sagadollars (saga- is the metric prefix for beelyuns and beelyuns) on things other than the launches, but you don't have to. The major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for more than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit. For what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop a new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper might be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less ambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Any plan for doing sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting money in a big way. Given this, questions like whose launch facilities you use are *not* a minor detail; they are very important to the cost of the launches, which dominates the cost of the project.

sci.space

[">"= Mark, ">>"= mp] I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your frustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions challenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer includes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish dictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are threatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation, repression, revolution, and described words which can express ideological concepts in examples like "Boss--the boss is good. He treats us well and pays us a good wage." As some of my students would say, "NOT!" Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why should you? If you are interested enough to do some further research though, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you. Stoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible Translators in Latin America_. _Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_. _Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977. _Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983. _Washington Times_, June 22, 1984. Happy hunting.

soc.religion.christian

Davis will be paid by three clubs this year, I think the Phils are responsbible for about $600,000 or so. They didn't wait for him to clear waivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him. A gamble? Yes. Won the CY Young, too, for that year.

rec.sport.baseball

] Hi there, ] ] ] : I have 1s/1p/1g I/O card in my 386/40 PC. ] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change ] : it to com1- it doesn't. ] : Program "chkport" gives diagnostics like "possible com /irq ] : conflict at com1" (with mouse driver in memory). ] ] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ? ] Under MS-DOS, you can't share IRQ's - so you'll have to set either your modem ] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ's. ] When you set two 'devices' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4) ] - the 'latter' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and ] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will ] stop doing so, until reboot. ] ] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn't write ] anything about other peripherals ...) ] ] I hope, it helped a bit .... By(t)e, Oli. ] ] Hi, I'm kind of new at the pc stuff. My machine has 4 serial ports. Com 1 and3 and 2 &4 share same IRQs. You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem into com3 and expect both to work? If Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different? And, does it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too? Phil -------------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Hunt "Wherever you go, there you are!" Howtek, Inc.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

<looking around> Who? Where? Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other conservatives do as well.

talk.politics.misc

Help! How do you write to the second bank/page of memory when in VGA 320x200x256 colour mode?. ie: to perform page flipping animation and buffering of the screen. I have tried using the Map Mask Registers, but this does not perform the required task (Although it does do something). Note: It *must* be able to work on a standard VGA (ie: not necessarily a SVGA card).

comp.graphics

Probably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops), who will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the density of the crowd in small regions. These sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA methods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be methodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers, so as to justify bigger budgets.

talk.politics.misc

Oh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for Petes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated coverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office to look back into their past to solve a problem in the present... Of course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs for a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are other teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book =) KOZ

rec.sport.hockey

Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized example), and perhaps other uses. These electric fields change with location and time in a large organism. Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not. Studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred years old, but not a popular activity. Perhaps, except in the case of a few tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed. There are some hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding the healing of broken bones, but not understood why.

sci.med

Really? I don't get it... Genesis first says that God created the earth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says that humans were created before animals! How can you escape this contradiction?

talk.religion.misc

*Teddy O'Neill-Creature with furry Hobbit feet from Bath UK*, a sentimental fool, posts: With the force of a world-wide youth movement, it ought to be possible to establish a coordinated global program to accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty year period. Evidently there are no open questions, either scientific or about how people prefer to live.

talk.politics.misc

Why would you say "especially Christianity"?

soc.religion.christian

I suppose a foul ball machine (like Brett Butler) is pretty valuable, but I'd rather watch (and root for) the lower OBP guys who can actually hit the ball. And I'd rather watch (and root for) a team that scores lots of runs and wins games. Of course, I'm rooting for the Rockies and Andres anyway. But that's for irrational hometown reaons. I also root for Frank Thomas. :)

rec.sport.baseball

According to a Software engineering professor here, what was actually rated level five was an ibm unit which produced part of the software for the shuttle, by not means all of it. Interesting note: 90% of the software development groups surveyed were at level 1. The ibm shuttle groups was the *only* one at level 5!

sci.space

I have a Lightening Scan Pro 256 hand scanner. It came with scanning/editing software, OCR software, and some plug-in modules for Photoshop et al. The scanner was a tad on the pricey side ($480), but the scans are incredibly accurate, in 256 level, 300 dpi grayscale. It also has dithered and line art settings when grayscale isn't desired. Great scanning software, easy to use. I frequently write letters to my neices, and spontaneouly include a scanned image in the note. Hope this helps!

comp.sys.mac.hardware

: : Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in : several FAQs but couldn't really find anything. You are excused... the answer varies from Mac to Mac so it would be a complex answer in the FAQ. : : I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want : (need) to add additional memory. But I'm on a budget. : I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is : the best (performance wise) and most economical way : to do this? Someone told me that I should only use : SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg, : 4 2 meg, etc. What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg : and use the rest of what I already have? The manual : hasn't been very helpful with this. : The si uses a 32 bit wide data bus and therefore you must use 4 8-bit wide simms. Sorry, but no short cuts here. : Thanks. You're quite welcome. : Greg.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Actually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as God commanded him to. Lucifer was devoted to God. Oh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything more than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too). I don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way to show the error in theology: if they think a supernatural entity kicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a fruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond well to reason and logic. :^)

alt.atheism

I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how to obtain documentation?

sci.electronics

The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase. There is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase incrementally. (BTW, what is different between Canada's tax and most of Europe's that makes it "visible?") This would require a constitutional amendment, and Congress enjoys raising taxes too much to restrict themselves like that. (Besides, with the 2/3 majority necessary to pull that off you'd have a difficult time "forcing" anything like that.) Primarily because it's a practical impossibility to "freeze" tax rates. However, this is something that bothers me. We're always talking about "consumer confidence" and "consumer spending" as gauges for the economy. If they really are important, wouldn't shifting taxes to consumption provide a disincentive to spend money?

talk.politics.misc

All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh ultimately kept his total costs below that amount. But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of today?

sci.space

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away!

sci.space

I believe that CPR is himself such a "house Jew".

talk.politics.mideast

:) No...I was one of the lucky ones. Very little acne as a teenager. I didn't have any luck with clearasil. Even though my skin gets oily it really only gets miserable pimples when it's dry. Frequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help. Getting the scalp thing under control might help (that could be as simple as submerging under the bathwater till it's softened and washing it out). Taking a one a day vitamin/mineral might help. I've heard iodine causes trouble and that it is used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be where the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from. I notice grease on my face, not immediately removed will cause acne (even from eating meat). Keeping hair rinse, mousse, dip, and spray off the face will help. Warm water bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will help prevent blackheads. Body oil is hydrophilic, loves water and it softens and washes off when it has a chance. That's why hair goes limp with oilyness. Becoming convinced that the best thing to do with a whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery. Any prying of black or whiteheads can cause infections, the red spots of pimples. Usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there won't be an infection afterwards. Tell him that it's normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry makes it's money off of selling people on the idea that they are an incredible defect to be hidden at any cost (even that of causing more pimples).

sci.med

Michael Bushnell writes; Which is exactly what I pointed out. (Though I was wrong about your use of the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it said the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque. Apparently that has changed.) The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the Nicene - Constantinopolitan did not. Of course the Orthodox did not delete the Filioque from the Nicene Creed (it wasn't there to begin with), but they certainly did from the Athanasian Creed, which did have it from the beginning. I might point out that the whole problem started over the difference in ways of explaining the generation of the Blessed Trinity, the East emphasizing the idea of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father through the Son, and the West using proceeding from the Father and the Son. In fact, some, such as Tertullian, used both formulations (see below) "Following, therefore, the form of these examples, I profess that I do call God and His Word, - the Father and and His Son, - two. For the root and the stem are two things, but conjoined; the fountain and the river are two kinds, but indivisible; the sun and the ray are two forms, but coherent ones. Anything which proceeds from another must necessarily be a second to that from which it proceeds; but it is not on that account separated from it. Where there is second, however, there are two; and where ther is third, there are three. The Spirit, then, is third from God and the Son, just as the third from the root is the fruit of the stem, and third from the fountain is the stream from the river, and thrid from the sun is the apex of the ray." -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8, 5 (about 213 AD) and "I believe that the Spirit proceeds not otherwise than from the Father through the Son" -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4, 1 (about 213 AD) And as St. Thomas showed in his Summa Theologica Part 1, Question 36, Articles 2 and 3, there is no contradiction between the two methods of generation, and in fact, the two methods of reckoning the procession emphasize what St. Augustine, among others taught, that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, but He proceeds from the Father in a more preeminent way. "For whatever the Son has, He has from the Father, certainly He has it from the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him ... For the Father alone is not from another, for which reason He alone is called unbegotten, not, indeed, in the Scriptures, but in the practice of theologians, and of those who employ such terms as they are able in a matter so great. The Son, however, is born of the Father; and the Holy Spirit proceeds principally from the Father, and since the Father gives to the Son all that He has without any interval of time, the Holy Spirit proceeds jointly from both Father and Son. He would be called Son of the Father and of the Son if, which is abhorent to everyone of sound mind, they had both begotten Him. The Spirit was not begotten by each, however, but proceeds from each and both." -St. Augustine of Hippo, The Trinity, 15, 26, 47 (400 to 416 AD) So, in a sense, all of the formulations are correct (to the West at least), because the Holy Spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, but in proceeding from the Son, the orgin of that procession is the procession from the Father, so the Holy Spirit is proceeding from the Father through the Son, but as all that the Son has is from the Father, the Holy Spirit can be said to proceed from the Father, without any mention of the Son being necessary. In any case, I am happy to know that I follow in the beliefs of Pope St. Leo I, St. Fulgence of Ruspe, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope St. Damsus I, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Ambrose of Milan, St. Hilary of Poitiers, Tertullian, and others among the Fathers, who all have very quotable quotes supporting the Catholic position, which I enunciated above. As for the issue of the adoption of another Creed being forbidden, I will point out that the Holy Fathers of Ephesus and Chalcedon both spoke of the Creed of Nicea in their statement forbidding anyone "to produce, write, or compose a confession of faith other than the one defined by the Fathers of Nicea." That Creed is a different Creed than that of Constantinople, which is commonly called the Nicene Creed. Not of course in that they were condemning the adoption of the Constantinopolitan Creed, which is but an enlargement upon the Creed of Nicea, but that they were condemning the impious opinions of Nestorious, who had adopted a radically different Creed from the one used by the Church, which among other things denied the procession of the Holy Spirit form the Son. Thus, the additions of the Constantinopolitan Creed were not thought to be in violation of this, and as the Council Chalcedon also affirmed the doctrine of the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son, which Nestorius denied, they could hardly have been against explaining in a fuller way the Creed, for they themselves approved of previous additions to it. And if the further explanations of the Creed made in Constantinople were not denigrating of the work done by the Holy Fathers of Nicea or in any way heretical, it follows that the Council of Toledo was fully able to add what was not disputed by the faithful to the Creed so as to combat the impieties of the Arians in Spain, because the filioque was not in dispute in the Church until many years later under Photius and others. And that the filioque was not disputed, I provide more quotes below. "Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to God, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly clear that He is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding from it." -St. Cyril of Alexandria, The Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial Trinity, Thesis 34, (423-425 AD) "The Holy Spirit is not of the Father only, or of the Son only, but he is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. For it is written: `If anyone loves the world, the Spirit of the Father is not in him'; and again it is written: `If anyone, however, does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.' When the Father and the Son are named in this way, the Holy Spirit is understood, of whom the Son himself says in the Gospel, that the Holy Spirit `proceeds from the Father,' and that `He shall receive of mine and shall announce it to you.'" -Pope St. Damasus I, The Decree of Damasus, 1 (382 AD) "The only-begotten Holy Spirit has neither the name of the Son nor the appelation of Father, but is called Holy Spirit, and is not foreign to the Father. For the Only-begotten Himself calls Him: `the Spirit of the Father,' and says of Him the `He proceeds from the Father,' and `will receive of mine,' so that He is reckoned as not being foreign to the Son, but is of their same substance, of the same Godhead; He is Spirit divine, ... of God, and He is God. For he is Spirit of God, Spirit of the Father, and Spirit of the Son, not by some kind of synthesis, like soul and body in us, but in the midst of Father and Son of the Father and of the Son, a third by appelation.... "The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit breathes from the Father and the Son; and neither is the Son created nor is the Spirit created." -St. Epiphanius of Salamis (which is on Cyprus), The Man Well-Anchored, 8 and 75 (374 AD) "Concerning the Holy Spirit, I ought not to remain silent, nor yet is it necessary to speak. Still, on account of those who do not know Him, it is not possible for me to be silent. However it is necessary to speak of Him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the Son, His Sources." -St. Hilary of Poitiers, The Trintiy, 2, 29 (356 to 359 AD) Thus, as I have pointed out before, Gaul, Spain, Italy, Africa, Egypt, Palastine, and the lands of the Greeks, all of Christnedom at that time, all have Fathers who can be cited to show that they confess the doctrine expressed by the filioque. I suggest to those of the Orthodox Church that they come up with some of the Fathers, besides St. John of Damascus who all will admit denied the filioque, to support their views. It is not enough to bring up the "proceeds from the Father" line of the Creed or the Gospel of John, for that says what we believe also. But it does not say the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son, only that He does proceed from the Father.

soc.religion.christian

Let me add another of my concerns: Yes, I can buy a port of Motif for "cheap", but I cannot get the source for "cheap", hence I am limited to using whatever X libraries the Motif port was compiled against (at least with older versions of Motif. I have been told that Motif 1.2 can be used with any X, but I have not seen it myself). Currently, I have X11R5 running on eight different unix platforms, of which only three came with Motif. On those three, I am unable to use the X11R5 libraries to build Motif clients, because I get link errors between the vendor-supplied port of Motif and my X11R5. I anticipate having this same problem when X11R6 becomes available. The result is that I cannot build Motif clients that rely on X11R5, since I do not have Motif compiled under X11R5. True, I could buy another port of Motif, but that sort of ruins the whole idea of "free", doesn't it? Cheers, Tom McConnell

comp.windows.x

Also, if someone would recommend another Try looking at the Brainstorm Accelerator for the Plus. I believe it is the best solution because of the performance and price. Why spend $800 upgrading a computer that is only worth $300 ???? The brainstorm accelerator is around $225. It speeds up the internal clock speed to 16MHz. That may not seem like much but it also speeds up SCSI transfers. I think that feature is unique to brainstorm. Check it out.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

I don't believe in the "Wave Theory". My mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn't believe in money at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises horses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock in my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible. Maybe you'd like to invest in some foreign currency. Which one would you guess to come out on top ? (Sigh - speculators never learn.) Bill R. --

talk.politics.misc

In NZ apparently things like aftershave are also giving positive readings

Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee. Is having surgery and is expected to miss 2-5 weeks.

rec.sport.baseball

Discounts! Please take $2.00 off each item over $10.00 $1.00 off each item over $ 5.00 Here is the list of magazines, including asking price: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Strategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games): =========================== NEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.) Issue: Title: Asking: 52 Oil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf 35.00 79 Berlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates 20.00 81 Tito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45 20.00 83 Kaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918 20.00 84 Operation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945 20.00 89 Sicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943 20.00 90 The Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778 20.00 ----------End of an Era --------------------------------------------- NEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.) Issue: Title: Asking: 113 The Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only) 15.00 115 Kanev - Russian Paratroops 15.00 116 Manchu - The Taiping Rebellion 15.00 117 North German Plain - Modern Germany 15.00 118 The Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44 15.00 120 Nicararagua 15.00 122 Pegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day 15.00 123 Campaigns in the Valley 15.00 124 Fortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43 15.00 125 The Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII 15.00 126 Beirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad 15.00 127 Rush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47 15.00 The AH General Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) ======================= Issue Title Asking Vol. # 7-80 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 17/2 11-80 Fortress Europa 8.00 17/4 1-81 Circus Maximus 8.00 17/5 3-81 Stalingra 8.00 17/6 5-81 Bismark, Squad Leader Clinic 8.00 18/1 Campaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) ================= Issue Title Asking 97 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 101 Cross of Iron 8.00 102 Counterstroke at Inchon 8.00 104 Squad Leader Variant 8.00 106 GDW's 1941 8.00 108 Battle for Leyte Gulf 8.00 All magazine prices include postage. ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW CONDITION. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Games and Books: =============== Yaquinto Publications, Inc.: =========================== Attack of the Mutants - Introductory Game $ 5.00 (Unpunched, new.) --- The Complete Book of Wargames (out of print) $30.00 -------------------------------------------- Author: Jon Freeman (Part 1 Introduction 75 pages - including Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame) (Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980) [hardcover, 285 pages, large format] --- Shipping extra on books and games. Prefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before shipping. Larry Larry McElhiney 1385 7th Avenue #10 Santa Cruz, CA 95062

misc.forsale

Sorry!! :-) Call the four points A, B, C and D. Any three of them must be non-collinear (otherwise all three could not lie on the surface of a sphere) and all four must not be coplaner (otherwise either they cannot all lie on a sphere or they define an infinity of them). A, B and C define a circle. The perpendicular bisectors of AB, BC and CA meet in a point (P, say) which is the centre of this circle. This circle must lie on the surface of the desired sphere. Consider the normal to the plane ABC passing through P. All points on this normal are equidistant from A, B and C and its circle (in fact it is a diameter of the desired sphere). Take the plane containing this normal and D (if D lies on the normal any plane containing the normal will do); this plane is at right angles to the ABC one. Let E be the point (there are normally two of them) on the circumference of the ABC circle which lies in this plane. We need a point Q on the normal such that EQ = DQ. But the intersection of the perpendicular bisector of ED and the normal is such a point (and it exists since D is not in the plane ABC, and so ED is not at right angles to the normal). Algorithm: Is the sphere well defined? (1) Check that A and B are not coincident (=> failure). (2) Find the line AB and check that C does not lie on it (=> failure). (3) Find the plane ABC and check that D does not lie in it (=> failure). Yes. Find its centre. (1) Find the perpendicular bisectors of AB and AC. (2) Find their point of intersection (P). (3) Find the normal to the plane ABC passing through P (line N). (4) Find the plane containing N and D; find the point E on the ABC circle in this plane (if D lies on N, take E as A). (4) Find the perpendicular bisector of ED (line L) (5) Find the point of intersection of N and L (Q). Q is the centre of the desired sphere Pictures: (1) In the plane ABC A P B C (2) At right-angles to ABC, in the plane containing N and D E D line N --------------------P-------------Q--------------------------- Numerically: If ED << EP then Q will be very close to P (relative to the radius of the ABC circle) and subject to error. It's best to choose D so that the least of AD, BD and CD is larger than for any other choice.

comp.graphics

The previous article referred to the fact that you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, but that you could use 80ns SIMMs in slower machines. I just pointed out that if you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, you can't use 80ns SIMMs in anything faster than a 12.5 MHz machine. Bank switching and caches were not considered in either example (although both would help memory access). -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu

comp.sys.mac.hardware

As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card combo that is in working condition. The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card. E-Mail all offers to: IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

misc.forsale

}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, }and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait. 120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits 110 DB if they have any standard at all.

rec.motorcycles

: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases : > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the : > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same : > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component' : > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > such component. More detail in the next post. : > Occam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an argument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to what end. It seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being primitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and childish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's razor), the scientific explanation of things being much more straightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which is the "non-essential", and how do you know? Considering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to its complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a lobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ... This is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out tough.

alt.atheism

Is this the joke of the month? 1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. 2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during WWII. 3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children and elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last four years. The entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the Genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. The survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and Kurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Today, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated by its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against humanity. x-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide against the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds. Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. During the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the unity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish and Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle for that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds. Today, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United States and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative Events, be they cultural, political or religious. Serdar Argic

talk.politics.mideast

I think it is an ESDI controller if you need the doco i can help you. Stefan

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Hi Everyone :: I am looking for some software called SHADOW as far as I know its a simple raytracer used in the visualization of synchrotron beam lines. Now we have an old version of the program here ,but unfortunately we don't have any documentation if anyone knows where I can get some docs, or maybe a newer version of the program or even another program that does the same sort of thing I would love to hear from you. PS I think SHADOW was written by a F Cerrina? Anyone any ideas?

comp.graphics

# ##So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality? # # CC: # #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it. # # Hmmm. # # I've told you more than once that I've been monogamous for almost 4 years # now, and that I really don't get into fetishes. Then you are nearly the only homosexual who is. I don't believe you. You've changed your story before. # Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral. # # Care to elaborate? # # For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral? # # kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, The fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making love to. (Actually, in your case, "having sex with.")

talk.politics.misc

Hello, I understand this philosophy. The bears are a national treasure, the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it do so at their own risk. It is better that that rare human be killed by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear-savvy visitors. The bears aren't having a population explosion, humans are so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears. I don't agree with this philosopy, but I understand it. The psychos are a bit different. They are not a national treasure but I suppose the decision has been made that to "allow" provision for defense against them would also "allow" provision for defense against bears. Again, I suppose it has been decided that it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than to take a chance on threatening the bears. Personally, I wouldn't go into an area where I would be "managed" so as to reduce my safety ..... but ... come to think of it I guess I live in a managed wilderness myself :-)

talk.politics.guns

Well, a student body president can't exactly campaign on the stand that he's "tough on crime". Their job is to listen to what people want and fund things that make sense. Condoms and marijuana aren't exactly the worst things to have available either...

talk.politics.misc

: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: Jonathan Quist bemoaned: : : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M., : : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British : : |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was late and too pricey. If they can write off the Elan development costs the may be able to sell them for a sensible price. : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not : : the name. : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension. Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail address so we can bung him on the Ogri list? dave

rec.motorcycles

Newsgroups: sci.med Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!athena!aisun3.ai.uga.edu!mcovingt From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens References: <PAULSON.93Apr19081647@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <116305@bu.edu> <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT Lines: 27 >> >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. > >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures >why attending a "corn festival". We pumped her stomach and obtained >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals. >After a few hours she woke up and was fine. I was tempted to sign her out as >"acute corn intoxication." >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? -- :- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** :- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* :- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< What is aflatoxin? Sharon

sci.med

Sci.E(E) netters: I am setting out to build and market a small electronic device that requires an LCD display. All of the analog electronics are working fine, I have ordered a PIC ICE (not vice versa) since the PICs are so cheap and low-power, but I am having a devil of a time finding any LCD displays in the 6-8 digit range that are priced as low as I need. I am looking for somthing in the range of $1 in quantities of about 1000-10,000. Mainstream distributors like Almac cannot help me without a part number, or when they do look around for something in their line they find a $15 8-digit LCD. Even Digikey's cheapest offering is $5 in quantity. I know LCD displays like this must exist because I see whole calculators for sale for $4.99, meaning the retailer probably buys it for $3.50 and the wholesaler probably gets it for $2.50 or so. This $2.50 includes assembly labor, packaging, sales, transportation, import duties, the case and keyboard, the PC Board, the processor chip, the solar cell --- and the LCD. The LCD can't cost much. If anyone could put me in touch with some manufacturers and/or distributors that handle such things I would be much obliged. -Joe Betts betts@netcom.com

sci.electronics

This is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is indeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor unfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made mostly of carbon and water is "fair". However, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about the fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily includes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation); not at all the same thing. Granted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral sentiment as near as I can tell. If *your* idea of God "condemns" heathens to ordinary death, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans and torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right. [deletia- Hell, and Literalness.] --- - Dan Johnson And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

soc.religion.christian

Hi boys and girls. I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that I am a grad student. I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my Zephyr too. If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in a couple of weeks. Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens. It's a very sweet bike. 6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer, plus some great rides between here and the Border. Purchased new exactly one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model. It has a good fairing and a luggage rack. Red; very clean. Perfect maintenance, no bullshit. I'll spare any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody 5'7" +/- 5" will fit it like a charm. Not a bike for big people, but not a small bike. Standard, upright positioning and good-looking. Smooth power, great brakes, good Karma. - Erik

rec.motorcycles

[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ] [ Author was Mark Wilson ] [ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ] I am looking for the following book, which I have only seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone, and forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY indeterminate!). I am looking for one OR two copies! Title: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories (unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle) Author: Harry Kemelman (author of all the "Rabbi" mysteries) It's a collection of short mystery stories. Please email mark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below. Thanks! - Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Wilson, Online Computer Systems. 1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215 (Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....) This file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!

misc.forsale

Actually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of scripture/revelation *is* this objective morality. That there are two conflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about (a). It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists. The next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective morality could be the fake one. So caveat emptor. mathew

talk.religion.misc

Gee, I feel so ignorant now... Research, then post.

sci.space

Thanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo sound. Too bad some developers aren't addressing the problem. This did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced it with in one way though! :) Thanks,

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Hmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the warranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near Cleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-)) and a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne, and every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T part numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the CompuServe intro kit. If anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine last Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from Cleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD. - Chris

comp.sys.mac.hardware

What I want to be able to do is to set the cursor color to the same as the forground color that is set for that xterm. From the man page..... -cr color This option specifies the color to use for text cur- sor. The default is to use the same foreground <--- color that is used for text. <--- However this doesnt seem to be the case, it appears to default to black or to whatever XTerm*cursorColor is set to.

comp.windows.x

Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.

misc.forsale

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I do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with "Kartagener's syndrome", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome in which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic infections. "Situs inversus" means that organs are on the wrong side of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting medically because the normal location of organs is caused in part by the "normal" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in absence of this, laterality can be "random." People with situs inversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their rarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they can't find the patient's heart sounds (because they're on the wrong side). According to Harrison's, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal recessive, which should imply that on average one child in four in a family would be affected. But there may be much more current information on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking about more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your pediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of which there is probably one at NCSU.

sci.med

Does anyone know how to reach Micron? I am interested in getting some specifics about what types of monitors work with their Micron Xceed card for the se/30. either e-mail or phone number would be prefered. Or if you have the answers to my questions, i'd appreciate a reply. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- julia hsieh My opinions are not intended to reflect hsieh@ipld01.hac.com those of Hughes Aircraft Company.

comp.sys.mac.hardware