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Why should any of us be surprised that a religious fanatic shaman councils a fellow religious fanatic to ostensibly commit suicide by faith? I’m only surprised it was news worthy enough for publication. |
paul said... |
The imagined power of prayer isn't restricted only to those who refuse help from "the helicopter." Recently, the wife of a good friend of ours was successfully treated for pancreatic cancer, and eventually--following weeks of hospitalization, expert surgery, and an extensive range of therapies--she was declared cancer free, and able to resume her normal life. Sadly, her husband, a self-declared "man of faith" gave all of the credit for the outcome to his god and the prayers of his family and friends--not a word of appreciation for the dozens of medical professionals who were actually responsible for her treatment and recovery. |
Anonymous said... |
I am often surprised that we don't have more theists dying left and right from fatal diseases. I mean, think about it. Why would anyone who truly believes, accept anything other than prayer? If I really thought that Jebus was waiting for me in heaven, why wouldn't I want to go? Why would I even bother trying to get my cancer cured? I would be on the fast track to paradise! It wouldn't be suicide if I died praying to god would it? Nope. It would be doing exactly what Jesus said I should do in the gospels. I often wonder about the true faith of the faithful. |
longhorn believer said... |
Anon, I have wondered that same thing. I had an uncle who was a Pentecostal preacher (a bishop of his particular sect) who died recently. I went to his funeral. It took them over two hours to talk about what a saint, prophet, holy man etc this guy was, and on and on about how he was in heaven. But I had watched for two decades while this man traveled from Louisiana to Houston to get the best medical care available for his heart disease, a disease he inherited from his father (my grandfather) who was also a Pentecostal preacher who died of heart disease. He had two heart surgeries, and a pace maker, and made dozens of trips across state lines to keep himself alive. And he was a true believer. By that I mean, he really practiced what he preached, except for that one extra marital affair in a 40 year long marriage, he was very devout and was firmly convinced he was going to sit at the right hand of God, and so were all his kids who were following in his foot steps. So why didn't he just quit driving all that way and go see Jesus as soon as he could? Why prolong going to this wonderful place especially if everyone you love is going there too, and your parents are supposedly already there? |
There was also a really strange twist at his funeral which further illustrates my point. There was one preacher there who started talking about raising my uncle from the dead. I kid you not! If my cousin had not put an immediate stop to that, I was ready to head for the state line as fast as my car could drive. I had had enough with all the other bullshit as it was. Now, why, if he is a saint in heaven are you going to try and bring him back from the dead? Probably because they know deep down that dead means dead. |
longhorn believer said... |
Hump, I also wanted to share this other piece of "intelligence" from an optometrist I know who is very religious. And no, she's not my eye doctor. She's trying to sell this new weight loss program to supplement her income, and this was part of her testimonial: |
"I know God has called me to help people. As a docttor I help peolpe see better all the time, but I see this as a way of helping people stay/ or get heathy to protect their eyes and health for the future." |
WTF? Why doesn't God keep people from having bad vision in the first place? And you do know that you're using technology developed by science to do your job, right? I'm sure the answer is that God gave us the intelligence to solve these health problems. But that doesn't explain why the health problems exist in the first place, and why there is nothing in the Bible about the scientific method or anything else that is useful or helped bring about modern medicine. Well, apparently that is lost on this "doctor". What kind of mental gymnastics does she do to ignore these facts? Maybe I will get up the nerve to ask her. |
Dromedary Hump said... |
Thanks all. |
Yeah, I often doubt the sincerity of religio-nuts who will gladly accept even experimental cures to stay alive...when prayer should be all they need according to scripture. You'd think they'd be in a hurry to meet Jebus, thus a win win either way. |
I think they are playing both sides of the coin, and are not fully convinced their prayers alone would do the job or that life after death is genuine. This is the effect of modernity seeping into their lives...a touch of reality acceptance as our culture moves away from total religio-think and genuine thinking takes over. Evolution at work I suppose. |
They mask their rejection of the supernatural and favoring science by using "god gave the medical knowledge to us to use" as a justification. Only those who put their faith in prayer alone are true believers. I have no problem with their allowing themselves to die from prayer's the children who are most often the victims. |
Longhorn: there are all kinds of defects in the "design" of humans. Ankles and knees that get blow out so easily; the fact our air intake system relies on our food intake orifice which causes tens of thousands of choking deaths each year; the blind spot in the center of the eye...others. |
There can only be one possible explanation for suck screwed up designs: god thing sucks as a designer, and is an incompetent boob. |
longhorn believer said... |
or there is no god thing, and we are the flawed result of long evolutionary processes. |
Dromedary Hump said... |
Heheh..., yes, or that. |
paul said... |
Random mutation... |
Natural selection. |
Nothing "designed" or "supernatural" is involved. |
Dromedary Hump said... |
Of course. |
Now we just need to explain it to the millions of Creationists. |
Anonymous said... |
I think next time I hear prayer saved someone, I'm going to accuse the pray-er of dereliction of duty for not praying enough for all the children who die worldwide before age 1. |
Dromedary Hump said... |
They'll tell you they DID pray for them, and the prayers were answered, but that God's answer was "No!" because those childrens early deaths are part of "his plan." |
The eternal escape clause. You see, when playing with make believe there are no rules of constraint. |
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