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Debates of the Senate (Hansard)
Debats du Senat (hansard)
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_1
1st Session, 36th Parliament,
1ere Session, 36 e Legislature,
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Volume 137, Issue 139
Volume 137, Numero 139
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Wednesday, May 12, 1999
Le mercredi 12 mai 1999
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The Honourable Gildas L. Molgat, Speaker
L'honorable Gildas L. Molgat, President
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International Year of Older Persons
L'Annee internationale des personnes agees
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Proposal to Reduce Reserves
La proposition de reduire l'armee de reserve
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Canadian District of Moravian Church of America-Presentation of Petition
La section canadienne de l'Eglise morave d'Amerique-Presentation de la petition
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Declining State of Industry-Response of Government
Le declin de l'industrie-La reponse du gouvernement
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_9
Budget Implementation Bill, 1999
La Loi d'execution du budget de 1999
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Second Reading-Debate Suspended
Deuxieme lecture-Suspension du debat
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Business of the Senate
Les travaux du Senat
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Budget Implementation Bill, 1999
Projet de loi d'execution du budget de 1999
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Bill to Amend-Second Reading-Debate Continued
Projet de loi modificatif-Deuxieme lecture-Suite du debat
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Second Reading-Debate Continued
Deuxieme lecture-Suite du debat
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Committee Authorized to Permit Electronic Coverage
Autorisation au comite de permettre la diffusion electronique de ses deliberations
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Business of the Senate
Les travaux du senat
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Wednesday, May 12, 1999
Le mercredi 12 mai 1999
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The Senate met at 1:30 p.m., the Speaker in the Chair.
La seance est ouverte a 13 h 30 le President, etant au fauteuil.
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International Year of Older Persons
L'Annee internationale des personnes agees
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Hon. Marisa Ferretti Barth :
L'honorable Marisa Ferretti Barth :
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The United Nations felt it was important to mark a demographic change of this magnitude.
Les Nations Unies ont considere qu'il etait important de souligner un tel bouleversement demographique.
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Today's senior citizens have many more options.
De nos jours, les personnes agees ont beaucoup plus de possibilites qu'auparavant.
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Let me give you an example of what I am talking about, honourable senators:
Voici un exemple de ce dont je parle, honorables senateurs.
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The WTO is telling us that we must allow more access to foreign dairy products.
L'OMC a demande au Canada de faciliter l'acces aux produits laitiers etrangers.
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I see this as a potential threat to our industry.
J'y vois une menace possible pour notre industrie.
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People are questioning the survival of this system.
Certaines personnes remettent en question la survie de ce systeme.
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We have a lot of family farms in Canada.
Il existe encore beaucoup de fermes familiales au Canada.
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The average dairy farm in Canada has 52 cows.
La ferme laitiere moyenne au Canada compte 52 vaches.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_29
Economists told us that this was a symptom of the "Asian flu."
Les economistes nous avaient dit que c'etait un symptome de la grippe asiatique.
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However, the Canadian dairy industry was protected.
Cependant, l'industrie laitiere du Canada etait protegee.
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The Hon. the Speaker :
Son Honneur le President :
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Do honourable senators wish to grant an extension?
Plait-il aux honorables senateurs d'accorder une prolongation?
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The Hon. the Speaker :
Son Honneur le President :
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The Canadian dairy industry, as I said, was protected.
Comme je le disais, l'industrie laitiere du Canada etait protegee.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_35
It was vaccinated against the Asian flu.
Elle etait vaccinee contre la grippe asiatique.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_36
It was supply management.
Par la gestion de l'offre.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_37
What did the OPEC countries do?
Qu'ont fait les pays de l'OPEP?
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_38
The American trade representative further stated that:
La representante des Etats-Unis pour le commerce a ajoute que:
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We look forward to finally opening the border for commercial milk shipments.
Nous sommes impatients de voir s'ouvrir finalement la frontiere aux envois commerciaux de lait.
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This is just a first step.
C'est seulement une premiere etape.
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We could talk for a long time about the recent history of U.S. unilateralism.
Nous pourrions parler longtemps de l'histoire recente de l'unilateralisme americain.
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I will leave that for another day.
Je laisse cela pour un autre jour.
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We should also be asking ourselves some serious questions about the WTO.
Nous devrions aussi nous poser de serieuses questions sur l'OMC.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_44
Proposal to Reduce Reserves
La proposition de reduire l'armee de reserve
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_45
Hon. J. Michael Forrestall :
L'honorable J. Michael Forrestall :
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_46
It was the backbone of the army sent to Korea.
Elle a ete le fer de lance de l'armee envoyee en Coree.
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The militia is the only mobilization base left in this country.
La milice est la seule base de mobilisation qui reste au Canada.
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Our regular army numbers only 20,000.
Notre armee reguliere compte seulement20 000 membres.
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All of us have additional recollections.
Nous en gardons tous des souvenirs.
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The bulk of the new reserve unit would be combat service support.
La nouvelle unite de reserve se concentrerait surtout sur le soutien au combat.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_51
Russia is in crisis.
La Russie est en crise.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_52
A ground war looks more likely at this point in time.
Une guerre terrestre semble tres probable a ce point-ci.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_53
Where will they come from?
D'ou viendront-ils?
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_54
The regular army is somewhat at wits' end to answer this query.
L'armee permanente ne sait plus trop que faire pour repondre a cette question.
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Resources have to come from the militia.
Les ressources doivent venir des milices.
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Yet the government is making plans for a massive cut.
Cependant, le gouvernement projette des compressions tres importantes.
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It is completely unacceptable and will be fought every step of the way.
C'est totalement inacceptable et nous nous opposerons farouchement a cette mesure.
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Canadian District of Moravian Church of America-Presentation of Petition
La section canadienne de l'Eglise morave d'Amerique-Presentation de la petition
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_59
Hon. Nicholas W. Taylor :
L'honorable Nicholas W. Taylor :
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Declining State of Industry-Response of Government
Le declin de l'industrie-La reponse du gouvernement
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_61
Hon. Leonard J. Gustafson :
L'honorable Leonard J. Gustafson :
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_62
We have been hearing words like "crisis," "bankruptcies," "farm sales."
Il est question de crise, de faillites, de ventes d'exploitations agricoles.
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A very serious situation exists out there, especially in the grain sector.
La situation est tres grave, surtout dans le secteur cerealier.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_64
Yesterday, the Minister of Agriculture appeared before the committee.
Hier, le ministre de l'Agriculture a comparu devant le comite.
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Commodity prices are below 1930 values.
Les prix des produits de base sont inferieurs a leurs niveaux de 1930.
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Yet it seems to me that the government is not really taking this situation seriously.
Pourtant, il semble que le gouvernement ne prenne pas vraiment la situation au serieux.
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When we were in government, $6 billion went into the budget for agriculture.
Lorsque nous formions le gouvernement, nous affections 6 milliards de dollars a l'agriculture.
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Today, that amount is less than $2 billion despite the budget surplus.
Aujourd'hui, ce montant est inferieur a 2 milliards de dollars malgre l'excedent budgetaire.
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The Leader of the Government in the Senate has carried this message to the cabinet.
Le leader du gouvernement au Senat a transmis ce message au Cabinet.
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Hon. B. Alasdair Graham (Leader of the Government) :
L'honorable B. Alasdair Graham (leader du gouvernement) :
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He speaks eloquently about those problems.
Il en parle de facon eloquente.
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I take those concerns very seriously.
Je prends ces preoccupations tres au serieux.
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I have had consultations on a regular basis with the Minister of Agriculture.
Je consulte regulierement le ministre de l'Agriculture.
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The program respects Canada's international trade rights and obligations.
Le programme respecte les obligations internationales du Canada sur le plan commercial.
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I recognize it is a very serious problem.
Le probleme est tres grave, je le reconnais.
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The former government poured billions into disaster relief for farmers.
Le gouvernement precedent a verse aux agriculteurs des milliards de dollars en aide aux sinistres.
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They feel that the program was designed with some features that minimize the payouts.
Ils estiment que le programme comporte certains elements visant a reduire les paiements au minimum.
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I do not think the public is aware of how bad it is.
A mon avis, la population n'est pas consciente de la gravite de la situation.
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I recognize the tremendous work done by the Agriculture Committee.
J'admets que le comite de l'agriculture a accompli un travail enorme.
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I shall bring to him again the concerns that have been properly expressed.
Je lui ferai part encore une fois des preoccupations exprimees ici.
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I assure honourable senators that the government is taking this matter very seriously.
Je puis assurer aux honorables senateurs que le gouvernement prend la situation tres au serieux.
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Hon. John Lynch-Staunton (Leader of the Opposition) :
L'honorable John Lynch-Staunton (chef de l'opposition) :
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Honourable senators, I have a supplementary question.
Honorables senateurs, j'ai une question complementaire.
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They call it a "crisis"; I call it an emergency.
Ils parlent de crise, mais je parlerais plutot d'urgence.
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This is not something cyclical.
Il ne s'agit pas d'un phenomene cyclique.
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Hon. A. Raynell Andreychuk :
L'honorable A. Raynell Andreychuk :
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Honourable senators, I have a supplementary question.
Honorables senateurs, j'ai une question complementaire a poser.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_88
Three senators have talked about this situation as an emergency.
Trois senateurs ont parle de l'urgence de la situation.
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It is not cyclical, it is a crisis.
Il ne s'agit pas d'un ralentissement cyclique, mais d'une crise.
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The farmers are leaving and they will not come back.
Les agriculteurs abandonnent, et pour de bon.
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The families have been forced to move.
Les familles ont du demenager.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_92
The issue of new programs is critical today.
L'instauration de nouveaux programmes est maintenant critique.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_93
What are we doing on the international scene?
Que faisons-nous sur la scene internationale?
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_94
That shut-down will last for four months.
L'arret d'exploitation durera quatre mois.
hansard.36.1.senate.debates.1999-05-12.139_95
It seems that the government is reacting to recommendations by the Senate Agriculture Committee.
Il semble que le gouvernement reagit aux recommandations du comite senatorial de l'agriculture.
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You do not understand agriculture.
Vous ne comprenez rien a l'agriculture.
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Honourable senators, Senator Tkachuk's comments are too extravagant really to be responsible.
Honorables senateurs, les observations du senateur Tkachuk sont vraiment trop extravagantes pour etre responsables.
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I know the concerns.
Je connais les problemes.
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I feel the concerns here and elsewhere.
Je les sens ici et ailleurs.
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