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1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | They both conclude that the hard problem of consciousness | 13:52.800 | 13:55.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | is BS. | 13:55.160 | 13:56.840 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | On one hand, you have some people like Daniel Dennett | 13:56.840 | 13:59.320 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | who say that consciousness is just BS | 13:59.320 | 14:01.480 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | because consciousness is the same thing as intelligence. | 14:01.480 | 14:05.000 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | There's no difference. | 14:05.000 | 14:06.440 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | So anything which acts conscious is conscious, | 14:06.440 | 14:11.080 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | just like we are. | 14:11.080 | 14:13.480 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And then there are also a lot of people, | 14:13.480 | 14:15.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | including many top AI researchers I know, | 14:15.960 | 14:18.400 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | who say, oh, consciousness is just bullshit | 14:18.400 | 14:19.920 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | because, of course, machines can never be conscious. | 14:19.920 | 14:22.760 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | They're always going to be zombies. | 14:22.760 | 14:24.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | You never have to feel guilty about how you treat them. | 14:24.520 | 14:27.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And then there's a third group of people, | 14:27.880 | 14:30.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | including Giulio Tononi, for example, | 14:30.880 | 14:34.920 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and Krzysztof Koch and a number of others. | 14:34.920 | 14:37.440 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | I would put myself also in this middle camp | 14:37.440 | 14:39.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | who say that actually some information processing | 14:39.520 | 14:41.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | is conscious and some is not. | 14:41.880 | 14:44.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | So let's find the equation which can be used | 14:44.160 | 14:46.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | to determine which it is. | 14:46.960 | 14:49.080 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And I think we've just been a little bit lazy, | 14:49.080 | 14:52.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | kind of running away from this problem for a long time. | 14:52.040 | 14:54.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | It's been almost taboo to even mention the C word | 14:54.960 | 14:57.840 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | in a lot of circles because, | 14:57.840 | 15:00.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | but we should stop making excuses. | 15:00.520 | 15:03.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | This is a science question and there are ways | 15:03.520 | 15:07.920 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | we can even test any theory that makes predictions for this. | 15:07.920 | 15:11.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And coming back to this helper robot, | 15:11.960 | 15:13.640 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | I mean, so you said you'd want your helper robot | 15:13.640 | 15:16.080 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | to certainly act conscious and treat you, | 15:16.080 | 15:18.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | like have conversations with you and stuff. | 15:18.160 | 15:20.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | I think so. | 15:20.880 | 15:21.720 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | But wouldn't you, would you feel, | 15:21.720 | 15:22.560 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | would you feel a little bit creeped out | 15:22.560 | 15:23.920 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | if you realized that it was just a glossed up tape recorder, | 15:23.920 | 15:27.680 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | you know, that was just zombie and was a faking emotion? | 15:27.680 | 15:31.560 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Would you prefer that it actually had an experience | 15:31.560 | 15:34.560 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | or would you prefer that it's actually | 15:34.560 | 15:37.000 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | not experiencing anything so you feel, | 15:37.000 | 15:39.120 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | you don't have to feel guilty about what you do to it? | 15:39.120 | 15:42.200 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | It's such a difficult question because, you know, | 15:42.200 | 15:45.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | it's like when you're in a relationship and you say, | 15:45.040 | 15:47.280 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | well, I love you. | 15:47.280 | 15:48.120 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And the other person said, I love you back. | 15:48.120 | 15:49.760 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | It's like asking, well, do they really love you back | 15:49.760 | 15:52.640 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | or are they just saying they love you back? | 15:52.640 | 15:55.360 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Don't you really want them to actually love you? | 15:55.360 | 15:58.120 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | It's hard to, it's hard to really know the difference | 15:58.120 | 16:03.120 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | between everything seeming like there's consciousness | 16:03.520 | 16:08.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | present, there's intelligence present, | 16:09.000 | 16:10.640 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | there's affection, passion, love, | 16:10.640 | 16:13.840 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and it actually being there. | 16:13.840 | 16:16.200 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | I'm not sure, do you have? | 16:16.200 | 16:17.720 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | But like, can I ask you a question about this? | 16:17.720 | 16:19.400 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Like to make it a bit more pointed. | 16:19.400 | 16:20.760 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | So Mass General Hospital is right across the river, right? | 16:20.760 | 16:22.920 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Yes. | 16:22.920 | 16:23.760 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Suppose you're going in for a medical procedure | 16:23.760 | 16:26.720 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and they're like, you know, for anesthesia, | 16:26.720 | 16:29.320 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | what we're going to do is we're going to give you | 16:29.320 | 16:31.000 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | muscle relaxants so you won't be able to move | 16:31.000 | 16:33.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and you're going to feel excruciating pain | 16:33.160 | 16:35.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | during the whole surgery, | 16:35.040 | 16:35.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | but you won't be able to do anything about it. | 16:35.880 | 16:37.600 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | But then we're going to give you this drug | 16:37.600 | 16:39.200 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | that erases your memory of it. | 16:39.200 | 16:40.760 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Would you be cool about that? | 16:41.960 | 16:43.440 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | What's the difference that you're conscious about it | 16:44.960 | 16:47.600 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | or not if there's no behavioral change, right? | 16:48.600 | 16:51.640 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Right, that's a really, that's a really clear way to put it. | 16:51.640 | 16:54.520 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | That's, yeah, it feels like in that sense, | 16:54.520 | 16:57.400 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | experiencing it is a valuable quality. | 16:57.400 | 17:01.080 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | So actually being able to have subjective experiences, | 17:01.080 | 17:04.800 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | at least in that case, is valuable. | 17:05.840 | 17:09.120 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And I think we humans have a little bit | 17:09.120 | 17:11.240 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | of a bad track record also of making | 17:11.240 | 17:13.600 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | these self serving arguments | 17:13.600 | 17:15.480 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | that other entities aren't conscious. | 17:15.480 | 17:18.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | You know, people often say, | 17:18.040 | 17:19.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | oh, these animals can't feel pain. | 17:19.160 | 17:21.800 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | It's okay to boil lobsters because we ask them | 17:21.800 | 17:24.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | if it hurt and they didn't say anything. | 17:24.040 | 17:25.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And now there was just a paper out saying, | 17:25.960 | 17:27.400 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | lobsters do feel pain when you boil them | 17:27.400 | 17:29.320 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and they're banning it in Switzerland. | 17:29.320 | 17:31.040 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | And we did this with slaves too often and said, | 17:31.040 | 17:33.560 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | oh, they don't mind. | 17:33.560 | 17:34.680 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | They don't maybe aren't conscious | 17:36.240 | 17:39.480 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | or women don't have souls or whatever. | 17:39.480 | 17:41.160 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | So I'm a little bit nervous when I hear people | 17:41.160 | 17:43.200 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | just take as an axiom that machines | 17:43.200 | 17:46.360 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | can't have experience ever. | 17:46.360 | 17:48.960 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | I think this is just a really fascinating science question | 17:48.960 | 17:51.560 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | is what it is. | 17:51.560 | 17:52.400 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | Let's research it and try to figure out | 17:52.400 | 17:54.720 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | what it is that makes the difference | 17:54.720 | 17:56.000 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | between unconscious intelligent behavior | 17:56.000 | 17:58.880 |
1 | Max Tegmark | Life 3.0 | and conscious intelligent behavior. | 17:58.880 | 18:01.120 |