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Well, in all good ethical issues, you have the conflict of whether or not news media should be telling a full picture of what happened. So it's, seek truth. Report it fully. And then the conflicting value in the news media is to minimize harm.

well in all, good ethical issues, you have the conflict of whether or not news media should be. telling a full picture of what happened so it's seek truth report. it fully and, then the conflicting value in, the news media is to minimize

Well in, all good ethical issues you have. the conflict; of whether, or not news media; should be telling a full picture of. what happened So it's seek truth Report it, fully And then the conflicting value in the news media is to minimize

well, in all good ethical issues, you have the conflict of whether or not news media should be telling a full picture of what happened. so it's, seek truth. report it fully. and then the conflicting value in the news media is to minimize harm.

And so the question is, how much detail should there be in this story? Was it too graphic? Should it have led the newscast? It did for - at 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock. And then, each newscast did report it a little differently, but two of them used that quote. And the question is, do we really need to know all that detail?

and so the question is how much detail. should there, be in this story? was. it too graphic? should it have led the. newscast? it did for - at 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock and then each newscast did report it a, little differently but two. of them used that quote and the question is. do we really need to know all that

And so the question is how much detail should there be in this story? Was it too graphic? Should it have, led the newscast? It did; for - at 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock And then each newscast did report it a little differently but two of them used that quote And the; question is. do we really need to know all that

and so the question is, how much detail should there be in this story? was it too graphic? should it have led the newscast? it did for - at 3 o'clock and 4 o'clock. and then, each newscast did report it a little differently, but two of them used that quote. and the question is, do we really need to know all that detail?

And I wonder, you took this complaint to NPR senior management, the news management, and how did they respond?

and i wonder you took this complaint to npr senior management the news management and how did they

And I wonder you took this complaint to NPR senior management the news management and how did they

and i wonder, you took this complaint to npr senior management, the news management, and how did they respond?

Well, the - NPR does not have a written policy, and what they do is they use as a guideline to use good sense and what someone called generosity. And what that means is that you don't call something a suicide without actual evidence that it was a suicide. And in that case, NPR followed that because they said it was either an "apparent" suicide or they quoted the police official.

well. the - npr does not have a written policy and, what they do is they use, as a guideline. to. use, good sense and what someone called generosity and, what, that means is that you don't call something a suicide without actual evidence that, it was a suicide and in that case npr followed that because they said it, was either an. "apparent" suicide or they quoted. the. police

Well the - NPR does not have a written policy and. what they do is they use as a guideline to use good sense and, what someone called, generosity And what that means. is that you don't call something a suicide without actual evidence that it was a suicide And in. that case NPR followed that because they said it was either an "apparent" suicide or they. quoted, the police

well, the - npr does not have a written policy, and what they do is they use as a guideline to use good sense and what someone called generosity. and what that means is that you don't call something a suicide without actual evidence that it was a suicide. and in that case, npr followed that because they said it was either an "apparent" suicide or they quoted the police official.

And the man who wrote the initial complaint, is he right? Does one suicide, or details of one suicide, lead to copycats?

and the man who wrote the initial complaint. is he right? does, one suicide or details of one suicide. lead to

And the man, who wrote the, initial complaint is he right? Does one suicide or details of. one suicide lead to

and the man who wrote the initial complaint, is he right? does one suicide, or details of one suicide, lead to copycats?

Well, that is - was his issue. There is some - I asked him today whether or not this was anecdotal, whether there or not there was some real research, and he sent me four of five studies that shows that there is a pattern, when people hear about ways of committing suicide or prominent people who commit suicide, that there can be a spike.

well that is - was his, issue there is some - i, asked him today whether or not this was anecdotal whether there or not there was some real. research and he sent me four of five studies that shows that there is a pattern when, people hear about ways of committing suicide or prominent people who commit suicide that there can be a

Well, that is - was his issue. There is some - I asked him today whether or not this was. anecdotal whether there or not there was some real research and he sent me four of five. studies that shows that there is a pattern when people hear, about ways of committing suicide or. prominent people who. commit suicide; that. there can be a

well, that is - was his issue. there is some - i asked him today whether or not this was anecdotal, whether there or not there was some real research, and he sent me four of five studies that shows that there is a pattern, when people hear about ways of committing suicide or prominent people who commit suicide, that there can be a spike.

And did you find that to be true? At least what those studies suggested it.

and did you find that to, be true? at least what, those studies suggested

And did you find that to be true? At least what those studies suggested.

and did you find that to be true? at least what those studies suggested it.

Those studies suggest that it's true. Now it's in dispute.

those studies suggest that it's true now it's in

Those studies suggest that. it's true Now it's in

those studies suggest that it's true. now it's in dispute.

And at that point, you've got the death of a, well, a public figure.

and at, that point you've, got the death of a well, a public

And, at that point. you've got the death of a well a public

and at that point, you've got the death of a, well, a public figure.

Right, right. The news media, Neal, typically will report on suicide when two things occur. One, it's a public person, or two, it occurs in a public place. And clearly, Deborah Jean Palfrey was a public person. She had been arrested. She had been through a trial, and the reports said that she was facing up to 55 years in jail, which would lead to why she might have done it. And I think that I had read different things in terms of whether or not that was accurate.

right right the news media. neal. typically will report on suicide. when two things occur one it's a, public person or two it occurs, in a public place and clearly deborah. jean palfrey was a public person she had been arrested she had been through a trial and. the reports said that she was facing up to 55 years in jail which would lead to why she, might have, done it and i think that i had read different things in terms of whether, or not that was;

Right right The news media Neal typically will report on suicide when two things occur One it's a public person or two it occurs in a public place And clearly Deborah Jean Palfrey was a public person She had been arrested She had been through a trial and the reports said that; she was facing up to 55 years in jail which would lead to why she might have done, it And I think. that I had read different things in terms of whether or not that was

right, right. the news media, neal, typically will report on suicide when two things occur. one, it's a public person, or two, it occurs in a public place. and clearly, deborah jean palfrey was a public person. she had been arrested. she had been through a trial, and the reports said that she was facing up to 55 years in jail, which would lead to why she might have done it. and i think that i had read different things in terms of whether or not that was accurate.

We're talking with NPR ombudsman Lisa Shepard. If you'd like to join us, 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org. Glen is on the line, Glen with us from Columbus, Ohio.

we're talking with npr ombudsman lisa shepard if you'd like to join us 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org glen is on the line glen with us from columbus,

We're talking with NPR ombudsman Lisa Shepard If you'd like to join us 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org Glen is on the, line, Glen with us from Columbus

we're talking with npr ombudsman lisa shepard. if you'd like to join us, 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org. glen is on the line, glen with us from columbus, ohio.

Hi, there's an old comedy routine where there's a referee before a boxing match, and he's telling the two boxers what you're not allowed to do during the boxing match. And he describes this by demonstrating all the things you're not allowed to do on one of the boxers...

hi there's an. old comedy routine where there's a referee before, a boxing match and he's telling, the two boxers what you're not allowed to do during the boxing, match and he describes this. by demonstrating all the things you're not allowed to do on one of the

Hi there's an old comedy routine where there's a referee before a boxing match and he's telling the two boxers what you're not allowed to do during the boxing match And he describes this by demonstrating all the things you're not, allowed to do on. one of the

hi, there's an old comedy routine where there's a referee before a boxing match, and he's telling the two boxers what you're not allowed to do during the boxing match. and he describes this by demonstrating all the things you're not allowed to do on one of the boxers...

No rabbit punches, and he hits him with a rabbit punch.

no. rabbit punches and he hits him, with a rabbit

No rabbit punches and he hits him with a rabbit

no rabbit punches, and he hits him with a rabbit punch.

That's what we're doing?

that's, what we're

That's what. we're,

that's what we're doing?

Just your expert there has just told us that it's inappropriate to describe on the air the form of a suicide, and then you begin your broadcast with replaying the tape in question. We got the point. She described what you shouldn't do...

just your expert there has, just told us that it's inappropriate to describe on the air the form of a suicide and then you begin your broadcast with replaying the. tape in question we got the point she described, what you shouldn't

Just your expert. there has just. told us that it's inappropriate. to describe on the air the form of a suicide and. then you begin your broadcast with replaying the tape in question We got the point She described what you shouldn't

just your expert there has just told us that it's inappropriate to describe on the air the form of a suicide, and then you begin your broadcast with replaying the tape in question. we got the point. she described what you shouldn't do...

Well, I think I'd like...

well i think i'd

Well I think I'd

well, i think i'd like...

And then you play it again.

and then you play it

And then you play it

and then you play it again.

OK, we get the point, Glen.

ok we get. the point

OK we get the point

ok, we get the point, glen.

We get the point, but I think it's really important to have discussions and to hear from the public and find out, what does the public find offensive? The news media often operate in a vacuum, and I think these kinds of discussions are really important.

we get the point but i think. it's really important to have discussions and to hear from the public and find out, what does the; public find offensive? the. news media often operate in a vacuum and i think. these kinds. of discussions are really

We get the. point but I think it's really important to have discussions; and, to hear, from the public and find out what does the public find offensive? The news media often operate, in a, vacuum and I, think these kinds of discussions are really

we get the point, but i think it's really important to have discussions and to hear from the public and find out, what does the public find offensive? the news media often operate in a vacuum, and i think these kinds of discussions are really important.

I agree, but we've just gone around in a circle and we just - how many more reports do we need describing what you shouldn't do?

i agree but we've just gone around in a circle and we just, - how many more reports do we need describing what you shouldn't

I agree but we've just gone around in, a circle and we, just - how many more. reports do we need describing what you shouldn't

i agree, but we've just gone around in a circle and we just - how many more reports do we need describing what you shouldn't do?

You can go to npr.org/ombudsman or contact the ombudsman on a link on npr.org.

you can go to npr.org/ombudsman or contact the ombudsman on a link on

You can go to npr.org/ombudsman or contact the ombudsman on a link on

you can go to npr.org/ombudsman or contact the ombudsman on a link on npr.org.

But this is an issue that goes beyond the suicide, or apparent suicide, of Deborah Jean Palfrey, how much information you put in terms of the way people die. This is an eternally difficult subject. I did a story many years ago after the Loma Prieta earthquake in San Francisco describing, where I asked one of the workers who'd been going in to try to recover the bodies of those that were crushed in the Nimitz Freeway collapse, exactly what it looked like. You know, how bad was it?

but this is an issue that goes beyond the suicide or apparent suicide of deborah jean palfrey how much information you put in terms of the way. people die this is an eternally difficult subject i did a story many years ago. after. the loma prieta earthquake in san francisco. describing where i asked one of the workers who'd been going in to, try to recover the bodies of, those that were crushed in the nimitz, freeway collapse exactly what it looked like you know how bad was

But this is an issue that goes. beyond the suicide or apparent suicide of Deborah Jean Palfrey how, much information you put in terms of the way. people die This is an eternally difficult subject I did a story many years, ago. after the Loma Prieta earthquake in San Francisco describing, where I asked one of the. workers who'd been going in, to try to, recover the bodies of those that were crushed in the Nimitz Freeway collapse. exactly what it looked like, You know how bad was

but this is an issue that goes beyond the suicide, or apparent suicide, of deborah jean palfrey, how much information you put in terms of the way people die. this is an eternally difficult subject. i did a story many years ago after the loma prieta earthquake in san francisco describing, where i asked one of the workers who'd been going in to try to recover the bodies of those that were crushed in the nimitz freeway collapse, exactly what it looked like. you know, how bad was it?

And I had to get him to talk about it, I felt, because without information about what happened to those people, without information about how that affected the people who were, the rescue workers, or at this point, recovery workers, I didn't think the story was complete. We got many complaints about this story that it was too graphic.

and i had to get him to. talk about it i felt because without, information about what happened to those people without information about how that affected the people who were the rescue workers or at this point recovery workers i didn't think the story was complete we got many complaints about this story that it was too

And I had to get him to talk about it I felt because without information about what happened to those people without information about how that, affected the people who, were the rescue workers or at this point recovery workers I didn't think the. story was complete We got many complaints about, this story that it was, too

and i had to get him to talk about it, i felt, because without information about what happened to those people, without information about how that affected the people who were, the rescue workers, or at this point, recovery workers, i didn't think the story was complete. we got many complaints about this story that it was too graphic.

Yeah. I think that it's a case-by-case decision and in this case, maybe some people found it offensive, that I thought that there was another newscast that simply said that she'd committed suicide, her body was found in the shed, a note was found and that was that. I think that seemed to be enough.

yeah i think that it's a, case-by-case decision. and in this case maybe some; people found it offensive that i thought that there was another newscast. that simply said that she'd. committed suicide her body was found; in the shed a note was found and that was. that i think that seemed to be

Yeah I think that it's a case-by-case decision and in this case maybe some people found it offensive that I thought that there was another newscast that simply said that she'd committed suicide her body was found in the shed a note was found, and that was that I think that seemed to be.

yeah. i think that it's a case-by-case decision and in this case, maybe some people found it offensive, that i thought that there was another newscast that simply said that she'd committed suicide, her body was found in the shed, a note was found and that was that. i think that seemed to be enough.

I did speak with the reporter who did this newscast, and he raises a good point, which is it's kind of a slippery slope. If you worry about what you report all the time, should you not report on hijacking, he suggested, because if you give the details on how the hijack occurred that maybe people will hijack planes? Or if you tell about arsonists or people who rob banks, oftentimes the legal - police organizations would prefer that we didn't do that.

i did speak with the reporter who did this newscast and he raises a good point which, is it's kind of a slippery slope if you worry about what you report all the time should you not, report on hijacking he suggested because if you give the. details on how the hijack occurred that. maybe people will hijack planes? or if you tell about arsonists or people who. rob banks. oftentimes the legal - police organizations would prefer that we didn't do

I did speak with the reporter who did this newscast and. he. raises; a. good point which is it's kind of a slippery slope If, you worry about what you report all the time should you; not report on. hijacking. he suggested because if you give the details on how, the hijack occurred, that maybe people will hijack planes? Or if you; tell about arsonists or people who rob banks oftentimes the legal - police organizations. would prefer that we didn't do

i did speak with the reporter who did this newscast, and he raises a good point, which is it's kind of a slippery slope. if you worry about what you report all the time, should you not report on hijacking, he suggested, because if you give the details on how the hijack occurred that maybe people will hijack planes? or if you tell about arsonists or people who rob banks, oftentimes the legal - police organizations would prefer that we didn't do that.

Let's get another caller on the line and this is Samina (ph), Samina with us - I'm sorry, where are you calling from?

let's get another caller on the line and this is samina, (ph), samina with us - i'm sorry. where are you calling

Let's get another caller on. the line and this is Samina. (ph), Samina, with us - I'm sorry. where are you, calling

let's get another caller on the line and this is samina (ph), samina with us - i'm sorry, where are you calling from?

From Santa Clara.

from santa;

From Santa

from santa clara.

Go ahead, please.

go ahead

Go ahead

go ahead, please.

Yes, in terms of war coverage, although I would prefer not to, you know, hear about the gruesome details, I think it's important for us to know about these details so that the American public would not be so quick to rush to war. You know, I think that we're seeing a very sanitized view, or hearing a very sanitized view, of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

yes. in. terms of war coverage although; i, would prefer not to, you know. hear about the gruesome details i think it's important for us to know about these details so that the american. public would not be so quick to rush to war you know i think that we're seeing a very sanitized view or hearing a very sanitized, view of the war in iraq, and

Yes in terms of war coverage although I would prefer not to you know hear about the gruesome details I think it's important for us to know about these details, so that, the American public would not be so quick, to rush to. war You know I; think that we're seeing a very, sanitized view or, hearing a very sanitized view of the war in Iraq and

yes, in terms of war coverage, although i would prefer not to, you know, hear about the gruesome details, i think it's important for us to know about these details so that the american public would not be so quick to rush to war. you know, i think that we're seeing a very sanitized view, or hearing a very sanitized view, of the war in iraq and afghanistan.

And we don't realize that the indiscriminate bombs that we're dropping are killing and maiming innocent children and women, and you know, and it's devastating people's lives. And I think that if we did know that, the population wouldn't, you know, be so quick, you know, to call for war.

and we, don't realize that the indiscriminate bombs. that we're dropping; are killing and, maiming innocent children and women and you know and it's, devastating people's lives and i think that if; we did know that the population wouldn't you know be so quick you know to call for

And we don't. realize that the indiscriminate bombs that we're, dropping are killing and maiming innocent children and women and you know and it's devastating people's, lives And I think that if we. did know that the population. wouldn't you know be so, quick you know, to call for

and we don't realize that the indiscriminate bombs that we're dropping are killing and maiming innocent children and women, and you know, and it's devastating people's lives. and i think that if we did know that, the population wouldn't, you know, be so quick, you know, to call for war.

Lisa?

lisa?

Yeah, no, I agree, totally with her. I think they're totally different circumstances. We're talking about one individual, and we're talking about hundreds and thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected by war.

yeah no i agree. totally, with her i think they're totally different circumstances, we're talking about, one, individual and we're talking about hundreds. and thousands hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected by

Yeah no I agree totally with her I. think they're totally different circumstances We're talking about one individual and we're talking about hundreds and thousands hundreds of thousands, of people who have been affected by

yeah, no, i agree, totally with her. i think they're totally different circumstances. we're talking about one individual, and we're talking about hundreds and thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who have been affected by war.

Interesting, Samina's point, there were complaints after the attacks on the World Trade Center, for example, pictures of the people who fell from the buildings, obviously very gruesome pictures. I think one of those pictures is here at the Newseum as an example of great journalism.

interesting samina's point there were complaints after the attacks on the, world trade center. for example pictures of the people who fell from the buildings obviously very gruesome. pictures i think one of those pictures is here at the newseum as. an, example of great

Interesting Samina's point there were complaints after the attacks on the World Trade Center for example pictures of the people, who. fell from, the buildings obviously very gruesome; pictures I think one of those pictures is here at, the Newseum as an, example of great,

interesting, samina's point, there were complaints after the attacks on the world trade center, for example, pictures of the people who fell from the buildings, obviously very gruesome pictures. i think one of those pictures is here at the newseum as an example of great journalism.

It actually is, because I wrote a book that the Newseum paid to have written about the coverage of that one day. And we looked at that issue of the picture, and many of you will remember the man falling who maybe had a choice between burning in a building or jumping. And a lot of newspapers did not run that photo. Some of them ran it really big because they felt like it's important to remember. It's important to know what happened. But that was a very historic, traumatic event. This suicide is not.

it actually is because i wrote; a book that the newseum paid to have written about the coverage of that one. day and we looked at that; issue of the, picture and many of you will remember the man falling who maybe had a choice between burning in, a building or jumping and. a lot of, newspapers did not. run that photo some of them ran it. really big because they felt like it's important to remember it's important to; know; what happened but that was. a very historic traumatic event this, suicide is

It actually is, because I wrote a book that the; Newseum paid to have written about the coverage of that one day And we looked at that issue of the picture and many of you; will remember the man. falling who maybe had a, choice between burning in a building or jumping And a lot. of newspapers did not. run that photo Some of them ran it really big because they felt like it's important to remember. It's important to know what happened But that was a very historic traumatic event. This suicide is

it actually is, because i wrote a book that the newseum paid to have written about the coverage of that one day. and we looked at that issue of the picture, and many of you will remember the man falling who maybe had a choice between burning in a building or jumping. and a lot of newspapers did not run that photo. some of them ran it really big because they felt like it's important to remember. it's important to know what happened. but that was a very historic, traumatic event. this suicide is not.

And to get to Samina's point in another way, during the Second World War, there were no images of dead Americans allowed in the newspapers, I think, until the invasion of Tarawa in 1943, and American public, at that point, had not seen dead Americans. And understanding the cost of war and the sacrifice required, well, you don't understand it unless you can see those pictures.

and to get to samina's point in another way during the second world war there were no, images of dead americans allowed in the newspapers. i think until the invasion of tarawa in 1943, and american public at that point had, not seen, dead americans, and. understanding the cost of war and, the sacrifice required well you don't understand it unless you can see those

And, to get to Samina's point in another way during the. Second World. War there were. no, images of dead Americans allowed in the newspapers I think. until the invasion of Tarawa in 1943, and American public at that point had not seen dead Americans. And understanding the cost. of war and the sacrifice, required well. you don't understand it unless you can see those

and to get to samina's point in another way, during the second world war, there were no images of dead americans allowed in the newspapers, i think, until the invasion of tarawa in 1943, and american public, at that point, had not seen dead americans. and understanding the cost of war and the sacrifice required, well, you don't understand it unless you can see those pictures.

Absolutely, I mean, some of the most iconic photos in our memory are of dead people.

absolutely i mean some of the most iconic photos in our memory are of dead

Absolutely I, mean some of the most iconic photos in our. memory are of dead

absolutely, i mean, some of the most iconic photos in our memory are of dead people.

Samina, thanks very much for the phone call.

samina thanks very much. for the, phone

Samina thanks very much for the phone

samina, thanks very much for the phone call.

Thank you.

thank

Thank

thank you.

We're talking with NPR ombudsman Lisa Shepard, who's with us here at the Newseum. If you'd like to join the conversation, 800-989-8255. Email is talk@npr.org. And this is Talk of the Nation from NPR news. Here's an email along the same point that Samina was talking about, from Steele (ph) in Neenah, Wisconsin. "Too bad detail is gone. People seem more disconnected to violence, i.e. video games, TV shows, yet reality seems taboo."

we're talking with npr ombudsman lisa shepard who's with us here at the, newseum if you'd, like. to join the conversation 800-989-8255. email is talk@npr.org and this is talk of the nation from npr news here's an email along the same point that samina, was talking about from steele (ph) in; neenah wisconsin "too bad detail is gone people seem; more disconnected to violence i.e video games tv shows yet reality seems

We're talking with NPR ombudsman Lisa Shepard who's with us here at the Newseum. If you'd like to join the conversation 800-989-8255. Email is, talk@npr.org And this is Talk of the Nation. from. NPR news Here's an. email along. the same point that Samina was talking about from Steele (ph) in Neenah Wisconsin "Too bad detail is gone People, seem more disconnected to violence i.e video games TV shows. yet, reality seems;

we're talking with npr ombudsman lisa shepard, who's with us here at the newseum. if you'd like to join the conversation, 800-989-8255. email is talk@npr.org. and this is talk of the nation from npr news. here's an email along the same point that samina was talking about, from steele (ph) in neenah, wisconsin. "too bad detail is gone. people seem more disconnected to violence, i.e. video games, tv shows, yet reality seems taboo."

I think that's a good point. Again, I think you need to differentiate between the circumstances. Violent details, as I've often thought as a journalist, can drive a story. They can put you there. They can show you exactly what happened, make you feel something. So I think they are very important but in each case, you have to make different decisions.

i. think that's a good point again i think you need to, differentiate between the circumstances violent details as i've often thought as a, journalist can drive, a story they can put you. there they. can show you exactly what; happened make, you feel something so i think they are very important but in each case you have to make different,

I think that's a good point Again I think you need to, differentiate between the. circumstances Violent details as I've often thought as a journalist can. drive a story They can put you there They can show you exactly what happened make you feel something So I think they are very important but in each case, you have to make different

i think that's a good point. again, i think you need to differentiate between the circumstances. violent details, as i've often thought as a journalist, can drive a story. they can put you there. they can show you exactly what happened, make you feel something. so i think they are very important but in each case, you have to make different decisions.

At some point, it becomes - well, how do you know when to draw the line? When does it become gratuitous? When did this become just prurient?

at some. point it becomes - well how do you know when to, draw the line? when does it become gratuitous? when did this become just,

At some point it becomes - well how do you know when to. draw the line? When does it become gratuitous? When did this, become just

at some point, it becomes - well, how do you know when to draw the line? when does it become gratuitous? when did this become just prurient?

I think that will also depend on who's listening, because I was thinking with this, that particular quote that we aired awhile ago, the issue was, you know, whether or not it should have been aired and then also, whether or not it was just plain offensive to hear. Do you really need to hear him say that her mother went in there and found her? I just feel like you can almost know what that was like without using any descriptive details.

i, think that, will also depend on, who's listening because i was thinking with this that particular quote that we, aired awhile ago the issue was you know whether or not it should have been, aired. and then also, whether or not it was just plain offensive to, hear do you really need to hear him say that her mother, went in there and found. her? i just feel like you can almost know what that was like without. using any descriptive

I think that will. also depend on who's listening because I was thinking, with this. that. particular quote that we aired awhile ago the issue was you know whether or not it should have been aired. and then also whether or not it, was just plain. offensive to hear Do you really need to hear him. say that her mother, went in there, and, found her? I just feel like you can almost know what that was like, without using any descriptive

i think that will also depend on who's listening, because i was thinking with this, that particular quote that we aired awhile ago, the issue was, you know, whether or not it should have been aired and then also, whether or not it was just plain offensive to hear. do you really need to hear him say that her mother went in there and found her? i just feel like you can almost know what that was like without using any descriptive details.

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I think we could all imagine that.

i think we, could, all imagine

I think we could all imagine

i think we could all imagine that.

Belle is with us, Belle calling from Truckee in California. Hello?

belle is with. us belle calling from, truckee in, california

Belle, is with us Belle calling, from Truckee in California

belle is with us, belle calling from truckee in california. hello?

Hello.

hello.

Go ahead. You're on the air.

go ahead you're on the

Go ahead, You're on the

go ahead. you're on the air.

In terms of censorship and how we try to make everything so whitewashed, I spend a lot of time in Mexico, and on the front page of their newspapers, they will have graphic, gory pictures of car accidents or gang violence or whatever it may be. Maybe over the years you get used to it. But to me, I think if I saw more pictures of horrible SUV crashes, people might pay a little more attention to the way they drive. If they saw the consequences of their actions, they might pay a little more attention sometimes...

in terms of censorship and how we try to make everything so whitewashed i spend a lot of time, in mexico and on the front page of their newspapers they, will have graphic gory, pictures of car accidents or gang violence or whatever it may be maybe over the years you get used to it but to me i think. if. i saw more pictures of horrible suv. crashes people might pay, a little more attention to the. way they drive if; they saw the, consequences of their. actions they might pay a little more attention

In terms of censorship, and how we try to make everything so whitewashed I spend a. lot of time in Mexico and on the front. page of their newspapers they will have graphic gory pictures of car accidents or gang violence or whatever it may be Maybe over the years you get used to it But to, me I think if I. saw more pictures of horrible SUV crashes people might. pay a little more attention to the way they drive If they saw the consequences of their actions they might pay. a little more attention

in terms of censorship and how we try to make everything so whitewashed, i spend a lot of time in mexico, and on the front page of their newspapers, they will have graphic, gory pictures of car accidents or gang violence or whatever it may be. maybe over the years you get used to it. but to me, i think if i saw more pictures of horrible suv crashes, people might pay a little more attention to the way they drive. if they saw the consequences of their actions, they might pay a little more attention sometimes...

Yeah, and car fatalities, I think, an underreported story.

yeah and car fatalities i think an underreported;

Yeah and. car fatalities, I, think; an; underreported

yeah, and car fatalities, i think, an underreported story.

I think there's nothing more - stronger than a single photo to sometimes just really affect you.

i. think there's nothing more - stronger than a single photo to sometimes just really affect

I think there's nothing more. - stronger than a. single photo to sometimes just. really, affect

i think there's nothing more - stronger than a single photo to sometimes just really affect you.

What you're about to hear is a pitch for a political movement.

what you're about to hear is a pitch, for a political

What you're about to hear is a pitch for a political.

what you're about to hear is a pitch for a political movement.

Then there is - thanks very much for the call, Belle. But then there's the other extreme that people complain about. When you see local TV news, for example, and in many places across the country, the if-it-bleeds-it-leads, blood-on-the-sidewalk stories, that sort of thing, which people say, look, this vastly over-represents the threat of violent crime in our communities. It makes people scared to go out of their houses at night.

then there is - thanks very much for the call belle but then there's the other extreme that people complain about when you see local tv news for example and in many places across the country the if-it-bleeds-it-leads blood-on-the-sidewalk stories that sort of thing which people say look this, vastly over-represents the threat of violent crime in our communities it makes people scared to go out of their. houses. at

Then there is - thanks very much for the call Belle, But then there's the other extreme that people complain about, When you see local TV news, for example and in many places. across the country the if-it-bleeds-it-leads blood-on-the-sidewalk stories that sort of thing which people say look this vastly over-represents. the threat of violent crime in our communities It makes people, scared to go out of their houses at

then there is - thanks very much for the call, belle. but then there's the other extreme that people complain about. when you see local tv news, for example, and in many places across the country, the if-it-bleeds-it-leads, blood-on-the-sidewalk stories, that sort of thing, which people say, look, this vastly over-represents the threat of violent crime in our communities. it makes people scared to go out of their houses at night.

And then you could argue, on the other hand, that if you don't put in a lot of the details and gory details, then you're just whitewashing it, and you're making it so bland that people wouldn't be interested.

and then you, could argue, on the other hand, that if you don't put in a lot; of the details and gory details then you're; just whitewashing it and you're making it so bland; that people wouldn't be

And then you could argue on the other, hand that if you don't put in a lot of. the details and gory details then you're just whitewashing it and you're making it so bland that people wouldn't be

and then you could argue, on the other hand, that if you don't put in a lot of the details and gory details, then you're just whitewashing it, and you're making it so bland that people wouldn't be interested.

And that's what's interesting about ethical issues is there's never really a clear, black-and-white answer. There are always different, competing values that have to be weighed, and that's why it's always on a case-by-case. While NPR has a general policy about using good sense, I think that's really all you need.

and; that's what's interesting, about ethical issues is there's never really a clear black-and-white answer there are always different competing values that have to be weighed, and. that's why it's always on a case-by-case while npr has a general, policy about using good, sense i, think that's really all you

And that's what's interesting about ethical. issues is there's. never really a clear black-and-white answer, There are always, different competing values that have to be weighed and that's why it's always on a case-by-case While NPR has; a general policy about using good sense I think that's really all you

and that's what's interesting about ethical issues is there's never really a clear, black-and-white answer. there are always different, competing values that have to be weighed, and that's why it's always on a case-by-case. while npr has a general policy about using good sense, i think that's really all you need.

Jeremy's on the line from Utica, New York.

jeremy's on the, line from utica new

Jeremy's on, the line from Utica New

jeremy's on the line from utica, new york.

Hi, Neal. Good afternoon.

hi. neal good

Hi Neal Good

hi, neal. good afternoon.

Afternoon.

afternoon.

I'm calling because real recently, an incident such as this affected myself and my family. I understand I need to keep it brief so I'll do just that. My cousin went missing New Year's Day. There was a large-scale search-and-rescue operation. The premise of the operation was that we were out searching for my cousin who had gone hunting, as per a note he had left.

i'm, calling because real recently an incident such as this affected myself and my family i understand; i need to keep it brief so i'll do just that my cousin went missing new year's day there was a large-scale search-and-rescue operation the premise of, the operation was that we were out searching, for my cousin. who had gone hunting as per a note he had

I'm calling because, real recently an incident, such as this affected. myself and; my family I understand I need to keep it brief. so I'll do, just that My, cousin went missing. New Year's Day There was a large-scale search-and-rescue operation The premise of the operation was that we were out searching for my cousin who had gone hunting as per a. note, he had

i'm calling because real recently, an incident such as this affected myself and my family. i understand i need to keep it brief so i'll do just that. my cousin went missing new year's day. there was a large-scale search-and-rescue operation. the premise of the operation was that we were out searching for my cousin who had gone hunting, as per a note he had left.

The real and true outcome of that, I guess, isn't really important in the large-scale of things in life, but the way our local media portrayed it, well, reported on it, just recently, here within the last week, his body was found and the medical coroner's - medical examiner's report and the New York State Police report, nowhere in it listed the word suicide. The way the outcome has been listed was exactly this, and it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.

the real and true outcome. of that i guess isn't really important in the large-scale of things in life but the way our, local media portrayed it well reported on it just recently here within the last week his, body was found and the medical coroner's - medical examiner's report and, the new york state police report nowhere in. it listed the word suicide the way the outcome has been listed was exactly this and it was a self-inflicted. gunshot wound to the

The real. and true outcome, of that I. guess isn't really important in the large-scale of things in life but the way our local media portrayed, it well reported, on it just recently here within the. last week his body was found, and the medical coroner's - medical examiner's report and the. New York State Police report nowhere in it listed the word suicide The way the outcome has been listed was exactly this and it was a self-inflicted gunshot, wound to the

the real and true outcome of that, i guess, isn't really important in the large-scale of things in life, but the way our local media portrayed it, well, reported on it, just recently, here within the last week, his body was found and the medical coroner's - medical examiner's report and the new york state police report, nowhere in it listed the word suicide. the way the outcome has been listed was exactly this, and it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.

And how did the news media report it?

and. how did the news media report

And how did the news, media report

and how did the news media report it?

Well, they reported it initially online at 2:31 p.m. last Thursday as, "The Missing Hunter Committed Suicide," and then goes on to essentially paraphrase the medical examiner's report in their first lines of the release. It did not have quotes around the word suicide, but then two lines later (unintelligible) dispatch had placed in there the medical examiner's name and the cause of death in quotations, which was "self-inflected gunshot wound to the chest."

well they reported it initially online at 2:31 p.m last thursday as "the missing hunter committed suicide" and, then goes on to essentially paraphrase the medical examiner's report in; their first lines of the release it did not. have quotes around the word suicide but then two. lines later (unintelligible) dispatch had placed in there the. medical examiner's name and the cause of death in quotations which was "self-inflected gunshot wound to the

Well they reported it initially online at 2:31 p.m last Thursday as "The Missing Hunter Committed Suicide" and then goes on to essentially paraphrase the medical examiner's report in their first. lines of the release It did not have quotes around the word suicide but then two lines later (unintelligible) dispatch had placed in; there the medical examiner's name and the cause. of death, in quotations which was "self-inflected gunshot wound, to, the

well, they reported it initially online at 2:31 p.m. last thursday as, "the missing hunter committed suicide," and then goes on to essentially paraphrase the medical examiner's report in their first lines of the release. it did not have quotes around the word suicide, but then two lines later (unintelligible) dispatch had placed in there the medical examiner's name and the cause of death in quotations, which was "self-inflected gunshot wound to the chest."

And of course, a self-inflicted gunshot wound can be an accident, too.

and of course a self-inflicted. gunshot wound, can. be an accident

And of course, a self-inflicted gunshot wound can be an accident,

and of course, a self-inflicted gunshot wound can be an accident, too.

Well, thank you, Neal, and I am a hunter myself. I'm an outdoorsman. I'm also a former law-enforcement officer in the military. And I spent many days away from work in January with my cousin's sons and daughter and family, and the countless hours that were selflessly given by the New York State Police, the forest rangers, the D.E.C. officers, anybody that would go a search-and-rescue operation, let alone the out-of-state people that came on their own time.

well thank you neal and, i am a hunter myself i'm an outdoorsman i'm also a former law-enforcement officer in the, military and i spent many days, away from work, in january with, my cousin's sons and daughter and family and the countless. hours that. were selflessly given by the new york state police the forest rangers the d.e.c officers anybody that would go a search-and-rescue operation. let alone the out-of-state people. that came on their own

Well thank you Neal and I am a hunter myself I'm an outdoorsman I'm. also a former law-enforcement officer in the military, And, I spent many days away from work in January with my cousin's sons and daughter and family and the countless hours that were selflessly given by the New York State. Police the forest, rangers the D.E.C officers anybody that would go a search-and-rescue operation let, alone the out-of-state people that came on their own;

well, thank you, neal, and i am a hunter myself. i'm an outdoorsman. i'm also a former law-enforcement officer in the military. and i spent many days away from work in january with my cousin's sons and daughter and family, and the countless hours that were selflessly given by the new york state police, the forest rangers, the d.e.c. officers, anybody that would go a search-and-rescue operation, let alone the out-of-state people that came on their own time.

You know, I just don't think that their reporting that matter did anything but sensationalize the outcome of that, and unfortunately, it brought no intrinsic value to, in my opinion, to those, essentially, couple hundred searchers...

you know i just don't think, that their, reporting that matter did anything but sensationalize the outcome of that and unfortunately it brought no; intrinsic value; to in my opinion to those essentially couple hundred

You know I just don't, think that their reporting that matter did anything but. sensationalize the; outcome of that and unfortunately it brought no intrinsic. value to in my opinion to those. essentially couple hundred

you know, i just don't think that their reporting that matter did anything but sensationalize the outcome of that, and unfortunately, it brought no intrinsic value to, in my opinion, to those, essentially, couple hundred searchers...

Jeremy, I'm afraid we're out of time. But thank you for the call....

jeremy i'm afraid we're out. of time but thank you for the

Jeremy I'm afraid we're out of time But thank you for the

jeremy, i'm afraid we're out of time. but thank you for the call....

But I think it's important to keep in mind...

but i think it's important to keep in

But I think it's important to keep, in

but i think it's important to keep in mind...

I understand. Be very careful about that "apparent" suicide or "self-inflicted gunshot wound."

i understand. be very. careful about that "apparent" suicide or "self-inflicted gunshot

I understand Be very careful about that "apparent" suicide or "self-inflicted gunshot

i understand. be very careful about that "apparent" suicide or "self-inflicted gunshot wound."

I think he's also talking about just the family. I mean, you think about all the people that are affected.

i think he's also talking about just the. family i mean you think; about all the people. that are,

I think he's also talking about just, the family I mean you think about all the people that. are

i think he's also talking about just the family. i mean, you think about all the people that are affected.

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New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer is at it again. Known for his aggressive investigations, Spitzer has turned his attention to digital music. He's reviewing whether big music studios are price fixing what goes into your digital music player. "Marketplace's" Janet Babin is here to talk about this latest action.

new york attorney general eliot spitzer is at, it again known for his aggressive investigations spitzer has turned his attention to digital music he's reviewing whether big music studios are price fixing what goes into your digital music player "marketplace's" janet babin is here to talk about this latest

New York Attorney, General Eliot Spitzer, is at it again. Known for his. aggressive investigations Spitzer has turned his attention to digital music He's reviewing whether big. music studios are price fixing what goes into your digital music player "Marketplace's" Janet Babin is here to talk about, this latest

new york attorney general eliot spitzer is at it again. known for his aggressive investigations, spitzer has turned his attention to digital music. he's reviewing whether big music studios are price fixing what goes into your digital music player. "marketplace's" janet babin is here to talk about this latest action.

Welcome, Janet, and what is Spitzer investigating?

welcome janet and what is spitzer

Welcome Janet and what is Spitzer

welcome, janet, and what is spitzer investigating?

Hi, Ferai.

hi

Hi

hi, ferai.

Attorney General Spitzer is looking into whether the big four music studios that pretty much lead the industry have colluded to set the price of songs downloaded off the Internet. And those companies include Warner Music, Sony BMG, Vivendi Universal and EMI. Now Warner said it received a subpoena last week and The Wall Street Journal reports that BMG and Universal have also gotten subpoenas.

attorney general spitzer is looking into whether, the big four music studios that pretty; much lead the industry have colluded to set the price of songs downloaded off the internet and those, companies include warner music sony bmg vivendi universal and emi now warner said it received. a, subpoena last week and the wall street journal reports that bmg and, universal have also gotten.

Attorney General Spitzer is looking into whether the big four music studios that pretty, much lead the industry have colluded to set. the price of songs. downloaded off the Internet And those companies include Warner Music Sony BMG Vivendi Universal, and EMI Now Warner said it received a subpoena last week and The, Wall Street Journal reports that BMG and Universal have also gotten

attorney general spitzer is looking into whether the big four music studios that pretty much lead the industry have colluded to set the price of songs downloaded off the internet. and those companies include warner music, sony bmg, vivendi universal and emi. now warner said it received a subpoena last week and the wall street journal reports that bmg and universal have also gotten subpoenas.

So how much does it cost to download music these days?

so how much does, it, cost to, download music these,

So how much does it cost to download music these

so how much does it cost to download music these days?

Well, there was once a time when it was free, of course. But now if you browse to Apple Computer's iTune site, you'll pay about 99 cents a download. Wholesale, though, is a different story. The LA Times reports that digital music costs anywhere from 60 to 90 cents a song, and there are still, of course, people who manage somehow--don't ask me how--to actually avoid paying for downloaded music. And there are freebies, too, from band Web sites. They often offer their unreleased songs for free on their Web sites.

well there was once a time when it was free of course but now if you browse to. apple computer's itune site you'll pay about 99 cents a download wholesale though is. a, different story the la. times reports that digital music costs anywhere from 60 to 90 cents, a song and, there are, still of course people who manage somehow--don't ask me how--to actually avoid paying for downloaded music and there are freebies too from band web sites they often offer their unreleased songs; for free on their web

Well, there was once a time when it was free of course But now if you browse to Apple Computer's iTune site you'll pay about 99 cents a download Wholesale though is, a different story The LA Times reports that digital music costs anywhere from 60 to 90 cents a song and there are, still of course people who manage somehow--don't ask. me how--to actually. avoid paying for downloaded music And there are freebies too; from band Web sites They often offer their unreleased songs for free on their Web,

well, there was once a time when it was free, of course. but now if you browse to apple computer's itune site, you'll pay about 99 cents a download. wholesale, though, is a different story. the la times reports that digital music costs anywhere from 60 to 90 cents a song, and there are still, of course, people who manage somehow--don't ask me how--to actually avoid paying for downloaded music. and there are freebies, too, from band web sites. they often offer their unreleased songs for free on their web sites.

So Janet, you have a situation where some people are downloading music for free, some people are going to places like the iTunes store and paying for it. What is this doing to the recording industry overall. CD sales are flat, is that correct?

so janet you have a situation where some people are downloading music for free some people are going to places. like the itunes store and paying for it what is this doing to the, recording industry overall cd sales are flat is that

So Janet, you have a situation where, some people are downloading music for free some people are going to places like the iTunes store and paying for it What is this doing to the recording industry, overall CD sales are flat is that

so janet, you have a situation where some people are downloading music for free, some people are going to places like the itunes store and paying for it. what is this doing to the recording industry overall. cd sales are flat, is that correct?

Right. CD sales don't look so good and some in the industry say that music downloads were just starting to make them some money. So the Spitzer investigation comes at a real inopportune moment for them. Nielsen SoundScan says that more than three million tracks were sold online this year, and that compares to last year with 127 million tracks sold.

right cd sales, don't look so good and some in the industry say that music downloads were just starting to make them some money so the spitzer investigation comes at a real inopportune moment for them nielsen soundscan, says that more than three million tracks were sold online this year and that compares to last. year with 127 million tracks

Right; CD sales don't look so good and some in the industry say that music downloads were. just starting to make them some money So the Spitzer investigation comes at a real inopportune moment for them Nielsen SoundScan says that more than three million tracks were sold online this year and; that compares to last year with 127 million tracks

right. cd sales don't look so good and some in the industry say that music downloads were just starting to make them some money. so the spitzer investigation comes at a real inopportune moment for them. nielsen soundscan says that more than three million tracks were sold online this year, and that compares to last year with 127 million tracks sold.

So the recording industry says that downloaded song should cost more. Is that correct?

so the recording industry says; that downloaded song should cost more is that

So the recording industry says that downloaded song should cost more Is that

so the recording industry says that downloaded song should cost more. is that correct?

Right. The recording industry wants these songs to cost more, and they're complaining about Apple's song pricing. They want to get Apple to either raise the price for downloads or to vary the costs. So a song from, say, Kanye West would cost more than an older song from Mariah Carey.

right the recording industry wants these songs to cost more and, they're complaining about apple's song pricing they, want to, get apple to either raise the price for downloads or to vary the costs so a song from, say kanye west, would cost more than, an older song from mariah

Right The recording industry wants these. songs; to cost more. and they're complaining about Apple's song pricing They want to get. Apple to either raise the price for downloads or to vary the costs So a song from. say Kanye, West would cost more than an older song from Mariah

right. the recording industry wants these songs to cost more, and they're complaining about apple's song pricing. they want to get apple to either raise the price for downloads or to vary the costs. so a song from, say, kanye west would cost more than an older song from mariah carey.

So sort of like a bargain-bin approach? Some bands would be bargain-bin bands, and some bands would be full-price bands?

so sort of like a bargain-bin approach? some, bands would, be bargain-bin bands and some, bands, would be full-price

So sort of like a bargain-bin approach? Some bands would be bargain-bin bands and some bands would be full-price

so sort of like a bargain-bin approach? some bands would be bargain-bin bands, and some bands would be full-price bands?

Exactly.

exactly.

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In, the other semifinal Connecticut held on, to edge Kentucky and they'll play. Butler in the national championship tomorrow night Finally this bracket-busting year will come to a

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Republicans hoping to take back control of the House of Representatives in the upcoming midterm elections have a lot riding on the Tea Party. Across the country, conservative Republican candidates with strong Tea Party support are challenging incumbent Democrats. We have reports now on three races: the first from NPR's Greg Allen on a tight contest in Florida.

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Republicans hoping to take, back control of the House of Representatives in the upcoming midterm elections have a. lot, riding. on the Tea Party. Across the country conservative, Republican candidates with; strong Tea, Party support are challenging incumbent Democrats We have reports now on three races: the first from NPR's. Greg Allen on a tight contest in

republicans hoping to take back control of the house of representatives in the upcoming midterm elections have a lot riding on the tea party. across the country, conservative republican candidates with strong tea party support are challenging incumbent democrats. we have reports now on three races: the first from npr's greg allen on a tight contest in florida.

The battle is between Democratic incumbent Ron Klein and his Tea Party-backed challenger, Republican Allen West. They're facing off in a congressional district that includes Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach and is home to many retirees and affluent voters. It might seem improbable then that this district has produced West, who's turned out to be one of the election season's more fiery candidates.

the. battle is between; democratic incumbent ron klein; and his; tea party-backed challenger republican, allen west they're facing off in a congressional district that includes fort lauderdale and palm beach and is home to many retirees and affluent voters it. might seem improbable then, that, this district has produced west who's turned out to be one of the election season's more fiery

The battle is between Democratic. incumbent Ron Klein and his Tea Party-backed challenger Republican Allen West They're facing off in a congressional district that includes Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach and is home to many retirees. and affluent voters. It might seem improbable then. that this district has produced West who's turned out to be one of the election season's more. fiery

the battle is between democratic incumbent ron klein and his tea party-backed challenger, republican allen west. they're facing off in a congressional district that includes fort lauderdale and palm beach and is home to many retirees and affluent voters. it might seem improbable then that this district has produced west, who's turned out to be one of the election season's more fiery candidates.

We need to meet in places and start talking about restoring our liberty and fighting back against a tyrannical government. It starts right here, it starts right now with each one of you that's gathered here today.

we need to meet in. places and start talking about. restoring, our liberty and fighting back. against a tyrannical government it starts right, here it; starts right now with each one of you that's gathered here

We need to meet in places and, start, talking about restoring our liberty and fighting back against a tyrannical government It starts right here it starts right now with each one of. you that's gathered here

we need to meet in places and start talking about restoring our liberty and fighting back against a tyrannical government. it starts right here, it starts right now with each one of you that's gathered here today.

That speech, given about a year ago, has received more than two million views on YouTube. It helped West raise more than $4 million in his attempt to unseat Democrat Ron Klein. West, an African-American, is a former Army lieutenant colonel. He was forced to retire after an incident in Iraq in which he fired a gun near a detainee's head, an effort, he said, to get information about a possible ambush. His supporters see that as just another sign that West is willing to take tough action when necessary.

that speech given about a year ago has received more than two million. views on youtube it helped. west raise more, than $4 million in, his attempt to unseat democrat ron klein west an african-american is a former army lieutenant colonel he. was forced to retire after an incident in iraq, in which he fired a, gun. near; a detainee's head an effort he said, to get information about a possible ambush his supporters, see that as just another sign that west is willing to take tough action when

That speech given about a year ago has received more than two million views, on YouTube It helped West raise more than $4 million, in his attempt to unseat Democrat Ron Klein West an African-American is. a former Army lieutenant colonel He was forced to retire after an incident in Iraq in which he fired a gun near a detainee's head an effort he said to get, information. about a possible ambush His. supporters see that, as just another sign that West is willing to take tough action when

that speech, given about a year ago, has received more than two million views on youtube. it helped west raise more than $4 million in his attempt to unseat democrat ron klein. west, an african-american, is a former army lieutenant colonel. he was forced to retire after an incident in iraq in which he fired a gun near a detainee's head, an effort, he said, to get information about a possible ambush. his supporters see that as just another sign that west is willing to take tough action when necessary.

This is West's second time challenging Klein. Two years ago, with little money or outside support, he drew 45 percent of the vote. This time he has money, an anti-incumbent tide, and a Tea Party surge in his favor. Klein has run ads attacking West as an extremist and a person who preaches personal responsibility but who doesn't live up to his words.

this is west's second time challenging klein two years ago with, little money or outside support he drew 45 percent of the vote this time he has money an anti-incumbent tide and a tea party surge in his favor klein has run ads attacking west as an extremist and a person who preaches personal responsibility but who doesn't live up to his

This. is West's second time challenging Klein Two. years ago with little money or outside support he drew 45 percent of the vote This time he has money an anti-incumbent tide and, a. Tea Party surge in, his favor Klein, has run ads attacking West as an extremist and a person who preaches personal responsibility but who doesn't live up to his,

this is west's second time challenging klein. two years ago, with little money or outside support, he drew 45 percent of the vote. this time he has money, an anti-incumbent tide, and a tea party surge in his favor. klein has run ads attacking west as an extremist and a person who preaches personal responsibility but who doesn't live up to his words.

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The IRS filed an $11,000 lien against West for back taxes. Three liens were placed on his home for unpaid bills. And a judge ordered West to pay over $5,000 in past-due credit card bills. Allen West, the wrong values for South Florida.

the irs filed an $11,000 lien. against west for back. taxes three, liens. were placed on his home. for unpaid bills and a judge ordered, west to pay over $5,000 in past-due credit, card bills. allen west, the wrong values for south

The IRS filed an $11,000 lien against West for back taxes Three liens were placed on his home. for unpaid bills And a judge ordered West to pay over $5,000 in past-due credit card bills Allen West the wrong values. for South

the irs filed an $11,000 lien against west for back taxes. three liens were placed on his home for unpaid bills. and a judge ordered west to pay over $5,000 in past-due credit card bills. allen west, the wrong values for south florida.

West says the IRS lien was a mistake, and as for the other unpaid bills, he says they accumulated while he was in Afghanistan.

west says the irs; lien was a, mistake and as for the other unpaid bills he says they accumulated while he was in

West says the, IRS lien was a mistake and as for the other unpaid bills he says they accumulated while, he was in

west says the irs lien was a mistake, and as for the other unpaid bills, he says they accumulated while he was in afghanistan.

So if he wants to attack my wife, who was back here trying to maintain a household with our two daughters while I was over protecting him, that's where I have a problem with him.

so if he wants to attack my wife who was, back here trying. to maintain a household with our two daughters while i, was over protecting him that's where i; have a problem with

So if he wants, to attack my wife who was back here trying to maintain a household with our two daughters while I was over. protecting; him. that's where, I have a problem with

so if he wants to attack my wife, who was back here trying to maintain a household with our two daughters while i was over protecting him, that's where i have a problem with him.

Klein is a moderate Democrat, an ardent supporter of Israel and a proponent of President Obama's health care overhaul and stimulus package - both of which he voted for. In a recent debate, he told West that his vow to stick to his guns and reject working with the other party won't fly in Congress.

klein is a moderate democrat an. ardent supporter, of israel and a proponent of president obama's health care overhaul and stimulus package - both of which he voted for in a recent debate he told west that his vow to stick, to. his guns and reject working with the other. party won't fly in

Klein is. a moderate Democrat an ardent supporter of Israel and a proponent of President Obama's health care overhaul. and stimulus. package - both of which he voted for In a, recent debate he told West that his vow to stick to his; guns and reject working with the other party won't; fly in.

klein is a moderate democrat, an ardent supporter of israel and a proponent of president obama's health care overhaul and stimulus package - both of which he voted for. in a recent debate, he told west that his vow to stick to his guns and reject working with the other party won't fly in congress.

The bottom line is, what are you positions? And if it's about divisiveness (unintelligible) my opponent's comments at some point where I don't believe in inclusiveness, I don't believe in working with other people. That's ridiculous. That kind of behavior will not create one job.

the bottom line is what are you positions? and. if it's about divisiveness (unintelligible) my opponent's. comments at some point, where i don't, believe in inclusiveness i don't believe in working with other people that's ridiculous that kind of behavior will not create one

The. bottom line is what; are you positions? And if it's about, divisiveness. (unintelligible) my opponent's comments at some point where I don't believe. in inclusiveness I don't believe in working with other people That's ridiculous That kind of behavior will not create one

the bottom line is, what are you positions? and if it's about divisiveness (unintelligible) my opponent's comments at some point where i don't believe in inclusiveness, i don't believe in working with other people. that's ridiculous. that kind of behavior will not create one job.

Polls show it's a tight race, but Democrats are throwing everything they have at it, including President Obama, who was here this week for a Ron Klein fundraiser.

polls show it's a tight race but democrats are throwing everything they have at it including president. obama; who was here this week, for a ron klein

Polls show it's a tight. race but Democrats are throwing everything they have at, it including, President Obama who was here this week for a Ron Klein

polls show it's a tight race, but democrats are throwing everything they have at it, including president obama, who was here this week for a ron klein fundraiser.

Greg Allen, NPR News, Miami.

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