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Sure but growing up, my parents were able to buy a new sedan for under $20k and those just don't exist anymore. And my wages sure as shit haven't been keeping up with these costs.
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We had goverment subventions here as well. They we're offering X amount of k$ depending on the model/brand and energy efficiency. The dealerships caught on and they we're selling their EV to themselves, pocket the govt money and resell it on the used market at the original price tag. There was so little supply it actually worked for like just over a year then the govt just pulled the plug and those subs. Fucking sucks.
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2024-04-06
I'm seeing used Chevy Bolts online for $15k. Not a road tripping car, but fantastic for anything else.
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2024-04-06
How much does your bill go up a month?
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2024-04-06
What EV did you get?
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2024-04-06
2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5
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2024-04-06
But as I said here it’s cheaper. It may be because of wider adoption, which would make sense with your argument.
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2024-04-06
That’s not a very exciting r/technology post
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2024-04-06
Some European used prices are getting lower every day. Even new cars are seeing big discounts.
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2024-04-06
some might call it a fire sale
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2024-04-06
Manufacturers could take a leap here and guarantee the battery for 15 years or so, maybe replace with refurb after ten years. This would cost them money of course but it may stimulate sales of new and used vehicles and work out making them more money in the long run.
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2024-04-06
They're a normal part of being in the car business, you don't claim Ford is losing money on the new V8 because the expectation is that power plant required R&D and will eventually pay that back. Right now we're getting weirdly aggressive need stories about EVs losing money when it's the exact same thing. It's pretty normal to wonder why the same financial structure is suddenly being reported on totally differently and if perhaps it's bullshit.
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2024-04-06
While I generally agree, having your whole car industry dominated by your main geopolical rival is a bad idea. Just a thought
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2024-04-06
Me too. Had a small issue with the rear camera that was fixed within 24 hours. I've got 50k miles and haven't had to do anything to it. It's fun and comfy with a ton of space and waking up to a fully charged vehicle is awesome. Never getting an ICE car again.
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2024-04-06
I mean the obvious answer here is buying an older 4x4, probably a Subaru since 4Runners and Tacomas used are still pricey.
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2024-04-06
I can agree the news headlines are clickbait but so is that commenters remark that EVs will be very profitable (as opposed to the R&D costs attributed to ICE cars). The up front costs of EVs are exponentially higher- that’s just a fact.
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2024-04-06
[me reading these](https://c.tenor.com/e8okZA5YE2AAAAAC/tenor.gif)
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2024-04-06
It’s tough because even used cars with 50k+ miles are going for what I paid for my current car that I bought new with 3 miles on it with way worse interest rates. I’ve had my Hyundai Elantra for 10 years now so it’s one of those things that I’m starting to look at and save up for
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2024-04-06
Dear Nostradamus, pray tell, what will be "THE solution?"
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2024-04-06
its prices have dropped for a year
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2024-04-06
Chiiiiiinaaaaa
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2024-04-06
Not if they just ban EVs instead because national security
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2024-04-06
It would still be cheaper
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2024-04-06
China’s cheap EV’s are the result of 1) heavy domestic subsidization 2) zero environmental regulation that the western world (rightfully) has 3) slave labor It’s not about competing.
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2024-04-06
While that is understandable, most markets that do succeed are government regulated or subsidized to some degree. Profit really shouldn't be our focus anymore because it inherently interferes with industrialism.
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2024-04-06
And yet I’ll still never want one
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2024-04-06
You said they're not a risk to traditional car companies. Do you want to go back and look at what you said? If they're not a risk, why the need for a big tariff? And if China's batteries are not actually very good, why would Ford bother trying to license CATL's battery technology? https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192557960/ford-plans-to-make-ev-batteries-in-u-s-with-chinese-company-that-developed-the-t
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2024-04-06
The person I replied to claimed that there's no risk to traditional car companies from Chinese companies. That's what he said, not me.
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2024-04-06
Using a US manufacturer as proof is a pretty poor gauge. US companies are waaaaaaay behind the curve on producing affordable EVs.
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2024-04-06
Musk promised to make electric cars affordable for the masses, and at the end of the day all he did was cement the idea in everyone's head that they were utterly unaffordable and impractical for average people.
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2024-04-06
go china go
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2024-04-06
> The irony here is that you clearly haven't gone back and read the previous comments. The person I replied to suggested risk to traditional car companies as an explanation for the big drop in prices that has happened over the last year. I disagreed that that was the reason. You disagreed for the reason that Chinese cars aren't good enough to be a threat. You didn't provide any other reason, only claiming that China's car performance are all propaganda so there they're not a risk. You didn't say "oh that's not a risk because of the tariffs, or because they don't make cars that Americans want , or because the timing is incorrect", you literally said that they're not a threat because all the things that people think they are good for are just propaganda. So if that's the case, why is there a need for a tariff? > Please point out where I said China's batteries aren't very good? I didn't. Go make these bad faith arguments somewhere else please. When you said China's battery tech isn't as good as the West. If their battery tech is so primitive, why is Ford trying to license it instead of just using their own? And for that matter, which western EV manufacturer are you thinking of that is supposed to be better than the Chinese ones? Because from what I can tell, the entire top 10 EV battery manufacturers are based in East Asia.
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2024-05-06
i would not buy a used ev or hybrid currently unless it had very low miles. people used to get burned on Priuses with 100-120k miles because the batteries crap out and it costs more to replace them than the value of the car at that point. just food for thought. it’s like with any used electronic (phone, laptop), the age isn’t what kills it, it’s the amount of charge cycles. especially if it’s a rental car and it spends half of it’s life plugged in at a parking garage
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2024-05-06
While the Bolt is still running an NMC battery, the newer Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries have about twice the charging cycles of earlier batteries. These batteries are used on many of the most popular models from Tesla, GM etc. They're expected to give over 300,000 miles of service, much longer than most people own their car. Batteries, NMC and LiFPO, don't typically 'crap out' they lose a few percent of capacity in the first couple of years, then plateau degrading very slowly over many years. After 10 years the typical conditioned battery - battery conditioning is having a heating/cooling system to maintain battery temp - will have about 10% capacity loss, LiFPO would have less than that. For most people it's hardly noticable. Early model hybrids and EV's didn't have battery conditioning and it was from those models that people got the idea that batteries wouldn't last very long. That's just not the case anymore.
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2024-05-06
Google maps shows at least a dozen, excluding slow chargers.
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2024-04-06
We need a new term for when Artificial 'Intelligence' is used for stupidity...
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2024-04-06
She does meet the age requirement in December, so I believe that she just has to be 35 by Jan 20th. That makes her more qualified than Trump in my book.
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2024-04-06
K but they constantly get to hatefuck, like i see the thought process…
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2024-04-06
Not much of it though.. of her 261 songs she only self wrote... 60 of em. She's a pop star/performer rather than a musician/songwriter.
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2024-04-06
Apparently she's been keeping her political ideas to herself quite a bit.. trying to play both sides for profitm  Thsts how they could try something like this n probably have results. 
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2024-04-06
Want to get deepfakes banned on X? Start posting deepfakes of Elon. They’ll be banned by the end of the day.
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2024-04-06
Have you... Never seen her first few albums.. the whole shtick that made her famous in the first place!  I'd swear people have no memory of her being a manufactured 'country,' pop star. Like she doesn't even write most her own songs. Of 261 she self wrote 60.  People give this product.. way too much credit.
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2024-04-06
That's 58 more songs than I've written.  Being able to perform *is* a talent.
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2024-04-06
I'm familiar with her origins. I'm just saying that anyone thinking that image of her is who she is today has not been paying attention to her output for the last decade.
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2024-04-06
Why would they? Pat attention to her specifically? Like I get you might be a fan or whatever, but most aren't.  Most would not be surprised if the manufactured country-pop star actually publicly supported trump.  That's all. Ain't this much of a reach.. for people that aren't like obsessed teenage girls
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2024-04-06
Shoes explicitly support Biden already. I do think this will backfire though
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2024-04-06
I guess they forgot to stop her from endorsing Biden in 2020 then, huh?
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2024-04-06
That is absolutely false. I’ve worked as a pricing consultant & while Ticketmaster/Live Nation can dictate prices/fees, it’s ultimately up to the Producer, in this case Taylor, what their margins will be following the cut of what the venue and ticketing teams get. Here we have an example of her team saying “we want as much money as possible full stop”. If they wanted to they could do lotteries for affordable tickets, set price caps, limit dynamic pricing, any number of things. Don’t pretend like Taylor, a billionaire, is a helpless artist being forced to treat her fans like oranges to be squeezed for juice.
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2024-04-06
That sounds about right.
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2024-04-06
She's the biggest selling pop artist in the world today and was named Time's Person of the Year for 2023. Her support for women's rights and the LGBTQ+ community has been in the news. With that kind of mainstream publicity, it's not hard for even non-fans to have a passing recent familiarity with her unless they have been living in a completely isolated bubble.
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2024-04-06
Firstly, that was a different election. And secondly.. barely. She barely supported either publicly then too right?  She's a pop product. Gotta protect the money. That's what's most important. 
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2024-04-06
Hahahaha yup. Britney and Christina were pretty big in their own ways too.  They have new ways to sell manufactured pop shite.. but that's all they are doing.  As I said. She has written less then 200 of her like 250 songs.nshe is a product has been since she was a kid.
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2024-04-06
That's absolutely *possibly* true. It's also *possibly* true that the documentary is just more a part of a persona to move records. *We* can't really know, and honestly I don't think it really matters.
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2024-04-06
Why are you so adamant about hating Taylor Swift? You’re up and down this post acting more obsessive about her than my 9 year old daughter.
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2024-04-06
sadly the Venn diagram of people still on Twitter and people dumb enough to believe this is a big old circle.
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2024-04-06
You're right, it's not a conspiracy. It's a laughable act of right wing desperation.
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2024-04-06
Fox News love her too. They reported about her every day between January and March
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2024-04-06
Myspace? Is that a joke about people digging up ancient internet posts?
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2024-04-06
Most super rich people seem to gravitate toward the trump family.
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2024-04-06
It's just a free ad for her. Her record company are probably behind it.
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2024-04-06
what's stopping her from endorsing any candidate?
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2024-04-06
Guess she should publicly campaign for Biden so everyone knows those pics are fake.
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2024-04-06
They aren't stupid. They keep her in the public eye. She needs publicity to stay successful.
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2024-04-06
Haha gtfo here
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2024-04-06
No it doesn't. By your own admission, she has written 60 of her own songs. She is a songwriter.
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2024-04-06
Unless she releases several “I voted for trump” variants I don’t believe it
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2024-04-06
Not this weird shit again 
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2024-04-06
Right, only losers listen to the same artists as adults as they did when they were younger. Real G's change their music preferences every year to something age appropriate and approved of by Reddit
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2024-04-06
Article is from Feb btw
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2024-04-06
Imagine caring 🤷‍♂️
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2024-04-06
Nothing like gatekeeping entertainment due to age.
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2024-04-06
He taste in men has always been aweful
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2024-04-06
Admit it, you were holding back tears when you wrote this
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2024-04-06
They'd be fooled by her head badly cut out with scissors and pasted on the body of Kanye West supporting Trump.
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2024-04-06
That was over a decade ago. Since then she has become way more political and outspoken and explicitly supported Democrats, like when she endorsed Martha Blackburn's opponent. From what I remember from an interview, it was actually a gay friend of hers who told her she needed to be doing more and using her platform, which she seemingly took to heart. She made an explicitly pro LGBT song before covid that's unfortunately become necessary once again today. She speaks on her more recent albums about women's rights and the unfairness of gender roles. It's very clear if you listen to her that she is strongly against Republicans.
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2024-04-06
You fucking knob-she’s a public figure who orchestrates every move. You think she doesn’t have a time she’s decided on months in advance? Hahahahaha 😐
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2024-04-06
Maybe you can edit this comment to make sense
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2024-04-06
Are there actually Trump supporters who go to Swift concerts?
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2024-04-06
Magnificent
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2024-04-06
Just add “/s” at the end and it makes sense.
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2024-04-06
These people don’t think too far ahead, huh
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2024-04-06
Oh no, are your feelings hurt? 🤭 Sorry bruh 😎
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2024-04-06
So sensitive… poor thing, maybe you should lie down 😘
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2024-04-06
Image having less than 5,000 karma on Reddit. Oh wait, you don’t have to imagine. Troll.
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2024-04-06
All republicans have are straight up lies, unsubstantiated claims, conspiracy theories, and at the very very very best a weak half-truth here and there.
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2024-04-06
https://youtu.be/UgCK8PnFK_Y?si=xarETCqyVBQthgdC
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2024-04-06
Citing how much Reddit karma a person has😂😂 you gonna buy a house with all your karma hahahaha
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2024-04-06
Umm....Reddit has gotten worse than Twitter
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2024-04-06
What? No, I’m just saying your comment was completely unintelligible and if you wanted to be understood you’d have to edit it to something understandable. Now I realize whatever point you were trying to make comes from an infantilized idiot so I’m no longer interested. What a tool.
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2024-04-06
Oh my goodness, you’re serious! Bless your heart…
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2024-04-06
Isn't \*everything\* on X/Twitter a deepfake, bogus, or conspiracy nonsense?
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2024-04-06
Nope, but it’s a pretty good indication of what people think of your opinion. Very little.
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2024-04-06
I’m not sure I’ve seen a more cringe comment on the internet.
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2024-04-06
Yes. Maybe not the 50 year old men supporters but their kids do.
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Biden is complicit in the Palestinian genocide
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2024-04-06
Just remember: If downvotes on Reddit make you so profoundly upset that even your username is an obvious cope, **no one is forcing you to be here.** Or, you could just grow up and develop some thicker skin.
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2024-04-06
Republicans are absolutely terrified of her ...😂
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2024-04-06
Are their kids replublican too though? I’m just curious if any actual Trump supporters actually would go to a tswift concert. Surely the overlap isn’t massive if at all; im not even sure the circles touch.
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2024-04-06
Well, I was giving you a gentle ribbing for sharing an opinion with nothing to back it up but your feelings, since by your demeanor you seemed to be someone who could take a joke. 😆 Sorry you’re so “in your feelings” about this, maybe you’ve got a good guy (or girl) friend you could talk it out with… 🤔
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