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Well, it's said that people get the government they deserve.
Don't worry, you'll get yours. You'll sleep much better when
everyone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list
is rounded up and executed. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:
: ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving
: along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing
: the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound
: lane of 9W (one lane each direction).
And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit...
--
Nick (the English Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Left is Right
M'Lud. | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Hello everybody,
I am searching for (business) information of Motif applications, to create a
TOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers
and Fax programs, etc..
Please mail me all your information or references. I will summaries the
results on this media.
Thank you in advance,
Anton de Ruiter. | 5 | comp.windows.x |
These arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It
really angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had
no clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first
told you that your figures were implausible?
I'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that
conclusion from the above data.
No, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in
8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is
*faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to
C+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures
before posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out
twice with *your own* figures.
You really should have checked.
*2*
If you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but:
Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it?
Do you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn
will run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your
222hp sports car is so easily beaten.
A Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers),
has less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive,
just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp
went to, its a mystery to me.
| 7 | rec.autos |
As mentioned in Adiposity 101, only some experience weight
rebound. The fact that you don't doesn't prove it doesn't
happen to others. | 13 | sci.med |
Did your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a
walking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a
stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie
Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day.
George
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
No, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings.
I've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists
that he has, so I'd love to have a cite.
Wrong. There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is
supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber.
(Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under
the hammer. In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe
manner.) Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their
trigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.
The breakdowns that I do have include the above category. From them I
can safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large
negative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that
the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the
number of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the
described circumstance) is near zero.
Please do. Include a cite for those of us who like looking at
context. Make sure that your source excludes other types of
accidents and suicides that are misreported. ("Gun cleaning
accident" is police-speak for "the family needs the insurance
money.")
-andy | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
I bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with
it. Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has
enough power for me. The only problem I found was a small
selection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here. | 7 | rec.autos |
Many thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have
which is 3.5" 600RPM!!
I now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B
computer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm
(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec/Play section to allow
for the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also
change the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate/rev speed!
Hopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32
quid and upwards ....)
The drive is a JVC MDP series drive ... | 12 | sci.electronics |
/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) / 2:02 pm Apr 2, 1993 /
All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much. I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.
--
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What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)
Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield.
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Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
That is not necessarily unorthodox. When Christians call God 'Father',
we are using a metaphor. The Bible in one place refers to God as being
like a mother. God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal
sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is
usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less
misleading of the two possibilities. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Hi netters,
My friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is
a local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with
Touring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a
very good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to
the net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially
in the area of reliability and maintenanability.
Please send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net.
My opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600:
auto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet),
full wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-)
Thanks in advacne! | 7 | rec.autos |
Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.
Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car. That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.
I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
-- | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
The current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's!
What the so-called "eco-freaks" want to do is to simply bring those
fees in line with current economic reality. Currently, mining companies
can get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices --
something like $50! The mining lobby has for decades managed to block
any reform of these outdated fees. In fact, the latest attempt to reform
them was again blocked -- President Clinton "compromised" by taking the
mining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate
legislation to fight that battle.
If you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment. | 14 | sci.space |
If you happen to know a political position which does not
have people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it
out.
One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof
on the part of the government before they may take action against
citizens. (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should
be available.)
We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S.
Constitution. In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't
*in* the Constitution. I objected to your suggestion that the Senate
wasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given.
I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority
in the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House
came apart at about the same time. Bush never had any real support in
Congress.
The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork,
from the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a
convenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with
food stamps. (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week
and I'm not on government assitance.)
Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac.
In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion
dollars. In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of
approx. 884 billion dollars.
In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars. In
192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars.
That leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted
for. (This represented an increase of 230%)
In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs,
Housing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare)
cost 86.5 billion dollars. In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or
more than national defense started. (This represented an increase
of 230%)
In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on
Medicare. In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars. (an increase of
368%)
In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing
credits and subsidies of that like. In 1992 it was 87 billion.
In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion
dollars. In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars.
Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion.
Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion.
Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion.
Education up 14 billion to 45 billion.
Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion.
Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion.
About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under
the Energy category, primarily under "Supply," and "Community Development,"
in the area of "disaster relief," and between the two of them
represent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars.
Where *was* this huge diversion?
Not that's a stretch. If the current government was pushed by
the President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to
equalize once the pressure is gone?
Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want
to continue. I see very little positive about it.
The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic
process, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting
what they wanted by the time it happened. Nor do I see putting the
brakes on the "democratic process" an inherently bad thing. Califronia's
riding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense
it gets worse.
Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be
told, "no," and pointed to their local government.
Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that
in talk.politics.guns?
Cute. We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating
the law.
Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill.
OK, Phill. All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of
*reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll
be it. (Not current, mind, you, reduction.)
Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech? By *calling*
it a freedom?
Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject. I haven't
*based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution. I've
tried to explain why it isn't a good idea. The only time I've referred
to the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions
on the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were "meant," but
just didn't make it in there.
The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule.
I only believe that the rule is a good idea. You cn't dismiss that
as venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Also sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ...
Two things:
1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago?
2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that.
Go Flyers, Cup in '94...
Mike | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Hello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a
change to read this newsgroup very often. Anyways for my senior project I need
to convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file. Please I don't need anyone telling
me that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I
have heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone
knows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction. | 1 | comp.graphics |
PLease take these and use them. Take advantage of me... I really
don't know what they are worth.
Qty 2 - Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422
Interface, appear new. I have powered up but that's all,
I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they
work or not.
Make Offer.........
Qty 1 - ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface
RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition
unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300.
Make Offer ............
Qty 1 - Motorola UDS 212 A/D Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work
but I have not and cannot check it.
Make Offer .............
Thanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door | 12 | sci.electronics |
I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window
of some sort with moving symbols among other things. A pure X application
could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an
XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib. But I would like to take advantage of
the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).
Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?
Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me
with XOpenWindow?
I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first
time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server. Also, most of
the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls. From this
initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily. Is this
true?
Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?
Environment:
AIXwindows X11R4
Motif 1.1
GL is available
AIX Sys V 3.2
IBM RS/6000 360
Thanks in advance.
Jay Graham
Jade Simulations International Corp.
14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
613-225-5900 x226 | 5 | comp.windows.x |
A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although
many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly,
a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change
state, according to the inputs.
A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which
of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are
three inputs required.
A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable
input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all
outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output
will be low).
An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to
select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your
aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note
that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since
you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left
once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose.
A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus
a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use
the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the
four enable lines.
Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the
four final stage decoders.
Please give me the credit when you submit your homework.
JohnH
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Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian
brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at
all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians
just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By
reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are
they using "a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus"?
Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to
pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other
Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than
people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Is there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any
information about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from
a OS point of view. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Subject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5
From: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com
Date: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT
rest
You don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain.
If you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example,
these would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom
you might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain
clinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well
with surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare
much better.
e correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial. | 13 | sci.med |
I was hoping for something like "The chassis exhibits X
degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units.
Forces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour."
Not "Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh,
well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast. It's not a Porsche, you
know".
Well, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes
with more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension,
different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero
effects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's
what all that boy-racer plastic is for). You're kidding yourself if
you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to
withstand 130 MPH impacts.
Oh, right. Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.
They drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon
a Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.
Of course not. "Speeding-is-bad. Speeding-is-illegal.
I-will-not-speed. I-love-Big-Brother." You had your mind made up
already.
It's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO*
speed limits until 1975. | 7 | rec.autos |
Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to
invest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage
for using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years).
Lockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy
the Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia).
They should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them
propose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it
unprofitable.
Yes...
Comparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like
nothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any
spot.
The message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and
Kazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different. | 14 | sci.space |
I have the following items for sale. The highest bid for each to arrive
in my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.
1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581
Safe for Ages 10 and Up
Used little
25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,
Test Tube, Litmus Paper
Manual with "Over 1100 Experiments"
$4 shipping will be added to your bid
2] Eye of the Beholder II
Fun game for the IBM PC
In original box, with original media and Manual
$3 shipping will be added to your bid
3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II
Solve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot
$1 shipping will be added to your bid
Free shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].
4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))
Works fine
Has nifty blinking leds for send/receive/collision/power, etc.
Built-in T
Includes one 50 Ohm terminator
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
5] Super Nintendo Super Controller
Auto Repeated Fire
Hands-Free Continuous Fire
Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing/unpausing)
Add to a one-controller console to allow two players
$2 shipping will be added to your bid
Be sure to include a *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Be sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.
Send bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).
You will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT
Wednesday April 21, 1993.
Items will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.
A money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed
to receive the item. Please keep this fact in mind when bidding. | 6 | misc.forsale |
7 | rec.autos |
|
Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two
small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive
conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their
could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible
studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding
faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY*
whose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and
unsuspecting masses? Imagine my surprise! I never would have thought it of
him.
How was this terrible deceit discovered? What exactly was the "cultural
interference" they were caught committing? Attempting to persuade the locals
that their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including
human sacrifices in some cases) were vain? Destroying traditional lifestyles
by introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes? Oh and by
the way, who did the denouncing?
I am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was
really such a deceitful tool of the devil. Please provide me with specific
documentation on this charge. There is some risk that I may not believe it
otherwise. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
* Attention voters:
*
* I had a problem with my mailbox on the first day of voting.
* Please check the Vote Acknowlegement (ACK) at the end of this CFV.
* If your name/address is not there, please send your vote again.
* (Actually, check even if you voted after the first day)
Introduction:
This is the third (and final) Call For Votes (CFV) for the creation
of four OS/2 newsgroups and the renaming of one:
(a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated)
(b) renaming of comp.os.os2.programmer to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated)
(c) comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated)
(d) comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated)
(e) comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated)
This is the second attempt at creating comp.os.os2.programmer.porting
and comp.os.os2.setup, and renaming comp.os.os2.programmer to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc. The first attempt failed in the summer
of 1992 (the voting deadline was August 31, 1992). The voting rules
state that another attempt for creating newsgroups can be started
after a six month waiting period (in this case, it is March 1, 1993).
This is the first attempt at creating comp.os.os2.multimedia and
comp.os.os2.bugs.
This document contains:
* the background showing the need for these proposals
* the proposed charters for these proposals
* voting instructions
* a voting ballot
* some example ballots
* the voting rules
* the voting schedule
* the Mass Acknowledgement
Background:
The creation of two, free, 32-bit compilers for OS/2 2.x (gcc/2
and emx/gcc; read comp.os.os2.programmer for details) has spurred
a continuing deluge of software ported from UNIX platforms, such
as emacs, less, awk, grep, sed, xscheme, ispell, flex, yacc, and
much more. Borland has released its C/C++ compiler for OS/2 2.x,
allowing for easier porting of DOS and Windows software.
Much of the PC hardware and drivers were written for DOS, and
later, Windows. As more people are discovering OS/2 2.x, the
number of people asking questions about OS/2's compatibility
with their hardware increases, as does the questions on the
availability of drivers for their hardware, installation
procedures, etc.
Multimedia is becoming popular. OS/2 2.0 supports Windows
Multimedia Extensions using Win-OS/2 3.0. Furthermore, IBM is
including direct multimedia support in OS/2 starting with version
2.1 (in addition to using Win-OS/2 3.1).
Any non-trivial software will have bugs -- OS/2 is not exempt,
especially since IBM is constantly adding new features to OS/2.
So far, IBM has issued system patches and corrective service disks
(e.g. the Service Pak) for free (free from BBSs and ftp sites, or
for free plus a small media charge for diskettes -- read
comp.os.os2.misc for details).
Proposed Charters:
(a) create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for developers of ported software so
as to coordinate efforts, avoid duplication of effort, and
spur additional development. The group will also cover
topics such as porting from other platforms (such as DOS,
Windows, UNIX, etc), toolkits which aid in program
portability (including porting tools such as Mirrors), and
so forth.
(b) rename: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated)
To keep the structure of the OS/2 newsgroup heirarchy
orthogonal, comp.os.os2.programmer should be renamed to
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc.
comp.os.os2.programmer.misc will still be the newsgroup
for OS/2 programmers to discuss programming issues and
technical aspects of OS/2 in an unmoderated setting.
(c) create comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated)
It will be devoted to OS/2 system setup topics, including the
availability of device drivers, compatibility information,
installation procedures, system requirements, and overall
performance optimization.
(d) create comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for discussion of multi-media issues.
(e) create comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated)
It will provide a forum for OS/2 system bug reports, bug
diagnosis and work arounds, the availability of system
patches and corrective service disks, and so forth.
[Note that discussion of bugs in applications belong in other
newsgroups, and discussion of bugs in OS/2 betas belong in
comp.os.os2.beta]
How to Vote:
To cast your vote, fill out the ballot below and e-mail it to me.
Many newsreaders will allow e-mail to be sent by replying to this
post. Be sure to send only the ballot, and edit out the rest of
this post.
1) Type in your vote for each proposal:
If you favor the charter as proposed, put a "yes" after its name.
If you oppose the charter as proposed, put a "no" after its name.
To abstain, leave a blank after its name.
2) Type in your last name (i.e. your family name), a comma, and
your first name (i.e. your personal name).
3) Cut out the ballot, Please do not delete any lines of the
ballot.
4) E-mail your ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu before 11:59:59 pm
(Central Time), April 24, 1993.
Ballot:
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YOUNG, DAVID M. dyoung@netcom.com
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Zou, Nan nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
The next time you go to church, you can check the better creed, that is,
have learned that on the first go around. But what's a body without
a little bit a'soul?
At the risk of offending everybody, I will interject the 13th century
point of view. Christ descended immediately into the bosom of Abraham
to set captives captive. He preached to the saved for three days before
drawing them with Him back to this earth. I'm no expert on this part,
but Matthew (27:52-53) says about the death of Jesus: "tombs were opened,
and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. And
coming forth from the tombs after his resurrection, they entered the
holy city and appeared to many." (NAB) Regarding the hell of the
damned, of which you speak, Christ did not see it (Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27),
although it saw Him (cf. Is 45:2).
Concerning the abodes of the dead, I don't want to subject my brethren
to further anguish, so I will direct you to contact me through e-mail
if you are genuinely concerned.
Your new body might be something like Adam's before his fateful encounter
with the Just One (Acts 7:52, CR trans. Vulgate): filled with infused
knowledge, absent of concupiscence, and immortal. It would probably be
a little glorified, too.
I wouldn't recommend it. It's really hot down at the center of the earth!
You know, the normal geothermal gradient, and all that.
Regards.
--
boundary, the catechist | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
As I promised, I would give you the name of the Panther's president.
After Huizenga announced the team name, he announced that Bill
Torrey is named the first president of the Panthers.
A little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_
Torrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as
persident and general manager of the New York Islanders.
Throughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become
as much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair.
The Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price
information in early next month. In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the
day-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and
GM.
The Florida Panthers was chosen as the name of South Florida's NHL team
to focus attention on an endangered species. There are 30 to 50 Florida
Panthers in the Everglades National Park, the Big Cypress National
Preserve and other parts of southwestern Florida.
"The Panther is the quickest-striking of all cats," Torrey said.
"Hopefully that's the way we'll play on ice."
More BIO:
In Torrey, Huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion Islanders
in 1972 and the one most responsible for guiding the Islanders to four
consecutive Stanley Cup championships (their first after only eight
seasons) and 14 consecutive winning seasons. As executive vice president
of the California Golden Seals, Torrey watched the Seals go to the play-
offs in 1968, only their second NHL season.
"I guess this completes my own personal hat trick", said Torrey, 58, a
native of Montreal but a resident of Bear Lakes Country Club in Palm
Beach.
Jim G.
other accounts:
gorycki@sol.cse.fau.edu
jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
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"I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress.
I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress.
I repeat..." Adrian Belew, "Indicipline" | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Are you assuming that families in the inner city don't have family values ?
I sure hope not.
| 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Dear Netters:
A new religious newsgroup "soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya" was pro-
posed on Oct 16, 1992. The discussion about this new proposed
newsgroup went on in various related groups. The proposal, was
supposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due
to a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be
canceled. I quote here a statement from the moderator of
new.announce.newgroups:
"The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup
is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within
a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote taker. Discus-
sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called..."
-- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992.
A lot of confusion arose among the netter as to whom to vote.
Therefore it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all
confusions are over. It has been over 4 months of that instant
and now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh
RFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in the discussion
under the same title heading and in "news.groups" or at least
cross-post it to "news.groups".
****************************************************************
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
****************************************************************
NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:
==========================
soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya
CHARTER:
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A religious newsgroup, which would mainly discuss the be-
liefs, teachings, philosophy and ideologies of all major reli-
gions of the world as they exist to foster better religious
knowledge and understanding among followers of all religions as
they share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to build
a peaceful mutual understanding of the Ahmadiyya branch of
Islam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how it
is different from other branches of Islam in fostering world
peace and developing better understanding among religious people.
It may also be used to post important religious events within the
World Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general.
PURPOSE OF THE GROUP:
====================
The following are some of the main purposes this group will
achieve:
i) To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as
they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
ii) To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings of this
puissant spiritual force on earth.
iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general in
light of the Quran and established Islamic traditions
of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective.
iv) To discuss the similarities between Ahmadi Muslims and
people of other Religions of the world and discuss how
religious tolerance and respect to other's faiths can
be brought about to eliminate inter-religion rivalries
and hatred among people of religions.
v) To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in
general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular
to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and
other religious people.
vi) To discuss current world problems and solution to these
problems as offered by religion.
vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya
Muslim Community and other Religions.
viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present
on Usenet.
ix) To discuss why religious persecution is on the rise in
the world and find solutions to remedy the ever deter-
iorating situation in the world in general and in the
Islamic world in particular.
x) To discuss the contributions of founders of all reli-
gions and their people for humanity, society and world
peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus
-lim Community in particular.
TYPE:
====
The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo-
gue. The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to
beliefs, but will mainly be used to prevent derogatory/squalid
use of dialect and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been
decided through personal e-mail and through a general consensus
among the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following
moderators have been proposed and agreed upon:
Moderator: Nabeel A. Rana (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu)
Co-Moderator: Dr. Tahir Ijaz (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca)
A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA/ISLAM:
=========================================
The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi-
sation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this
sect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the
Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major
religions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm, Hin-
duism). He claimed to be the long awaited second comming of
Jesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised
Messiah. He claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all
the great religions of the world about the advent of a messenger
from God have been fulfilled.
The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms of hostility and
extreme oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris-
tians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit-
nessed in the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect
is being persecuted specially in some of the Muslim regimes.
Dispite the opposition and persecution, this sect has won many
adherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who
come from a diverse ethnic and cultural background.
The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing about
a better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli-
gions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal broth-
erhood and develop a better understanding of faith. Ahmadi
Muslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe-
cially religious intollerance and fundamentalism.
Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es-
tablished a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin-
ics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed
by volunteer professional and are fully financed by the sect's
internal resources.
The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral
reform, establish peace and justice, and to unite mankind under
one universal religion.
NEWSGROUP CREATION:
================== | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
"fete"??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to
positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling.
I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are
abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there
*is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in
Gaza.
Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying
entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements
that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure.
Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses
(that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are
inherently in conflict.
Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present
policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third
alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish "dhimmi"
system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly "protected" citizens.
Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with
regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities?
It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan
"Final Solution" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish
"Final Solution". Do you favor one? neither?
Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel
and Arab/Palestinian "final solution" intentions exist, isn't it
important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan "rights"
be secured?
| 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
I don't think they're paying for it.
Useful? I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement
of $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be
preferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting
in an underestimate). This comes to twenty cents a head over the
U.S. population. I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite
useful -- it would make for nice slogans: "Your privacy is worth
$0.37", or whatever it turns out to be.
| 11 | sci.crypt |
This game would have been great as part of a double-header on ABC or
ESPN; the league would have been able to push back-to-back wins by
Le Magnifique and The Great One. Unfortunately, the only network
that would have done that was SCA, seen in few areas and hard to
justify as a pay channel. )-;
gld | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted]
just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to
follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and
difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are
willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves
spiritually in the way you are talking about.
[more deleted]
do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all
christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds
above like you are supporting a policy of "to each his own" -- here is
another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every
word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too.
please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one
can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?).
i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very
true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that?
i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised
atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness
present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness
he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with.
thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the
decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized
to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not
intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that
is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!)
one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her
beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is
jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish
religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite
authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of
generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE--
their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their
adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk
about their being brainwashed. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
So, we should ban the ammunition? Why not get rid of the guns?
It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too?
God Bless America? The list goes on...
Then you'd be no better than the people you despise.
Oh?
An endorsement, or an acknowledgement? I think gods are things that people
are proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief.
Is it?
[...]
Would you approve of such a motto?
And removing the tool will solve the problem?
Or will it increase the problem? | 0 | alt.atheism |
Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public
key cryptography (such as RSA)?
I've tried various archie searches to no avail. | 11 | sci.crypt |
... | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Hello
HELP!!! please
I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming
and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code
to teach me how to do some stuff..
1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how
to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files?
2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board
so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256
800x600x256
3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question?
Thanks very much !
send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet | 1 | comp.graphics |
Wetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that. | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
OK, here's at least one Christian's answer:
Jesus was a JEW, not a Christian. In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes
sense. Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or
the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill." Jesus lived
under the Jewish law. However, He was the culmination of the promises
of the Prophets. He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey
God's purposes.
Verse 18 says "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass
away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law,
until all is accomplished." The key to this verse IMHO is the last
phrase. Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, "accomplished" what the
Law was supposed to accomplish.
Verse 19: "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments,
and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven." Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish
people about living lives under the law, this makes sense.
In general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he
must have received about "doing away with the Law." That was not
Jesus' intent at all. He had come to earth to live the Law as it
should be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his
people all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your
heel, but *He* will bruise his head.] Jesus appeared to be "doing
away with the Law" because he did not honor the traditions of men as
equal to the Law of God. He regularly locked horns with the religious
leaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only
God's Law.
In the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law
and defending himself against his accusors. Almost the entire Sermon
on the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people
understand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which
had been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions.
In Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the
Law in this way:
[23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being
shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [24] Therefore
the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be
justified by faith. [25] But now that faith has come, we are no
longer under a tutor. [26] For you are all sons of God through faith
in Christ Jesus.
I believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had
served it's purpose, i.e. "our tutor to lead us to Christ," and
now, "we are no longer under a tutor." The law has been "fulfilled"
as Christ said he would do.
God, the author of the old Law, and the Christ/Man, Jesus, are the same
personality. Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the "last
will and testament" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles.
It makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are
re-expressed in Christianity.
On the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and
Christians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes
sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to
represent the "mysteries" of this new relationship. i.e. Baptism
representing Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8),
The Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and
Sunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff,
Acts 20:7)
OK, That's one Christian's explanation. I don't claim to have all
these issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome
other Christians to offer other alternatives.
Please excuse the long posting. Thanks for your interest if you have read
this far... | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
IRWIN suggests the use of pre-formatted tapes for their tape drives, as
you often can't successfully format a tape and need bulk-erase it before
you can format it again. Anyway, I have some new, preformatted tapes for
IRWIN 250 tape drives.
IRWIN accuTRAK series 120-250MB, $16/ea. New never used.
3M DC2120, RHOMAT Format. $16/ea. Wraped.
Email if interested.
Feng | 6 | misc.forsale |
#>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
#>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
#>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
#>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
#>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
#>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
#>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
#>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
#>
#>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
#>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
#>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
Yes. Nobody is watching them. If they get caught, there is no punishment
at all. In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping
with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand
what kind of damage such accidents cause. Of course this doesn't happen
any more. That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching
him some respect for others. A person with that little respect would
inevitably wind up dead early anyway.
The problem is creeping gradualism. If you put a frog into hot water,
he just jumps out. But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so-
gradually heat it, the frog will cook. This is what the entertainment
industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our
modern North American society have done to us over the years. Now that
we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late.
#>
#>Erik velapold
#
#Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
#is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
#"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
#children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
#when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
#message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much
about it, either. With both parents working in this society, where is
the stabilizing influence at home? Latchkey children are everywhere!
And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to
whatever violent hate-promoting "music" and videos they like because no
one is home to stop it.
This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn
than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is
shorter school hours and more leisure time! I say keep the kids in
school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when
they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them. There
is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will
bring a parent to grief. Daycare systems are not the answer. This is
just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to
whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job.
#
#AT
Followups should go to alt.parents-teens
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[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ]
[ Author was Gordon Lang ]
[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ]
[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ]
[ Author was Gordon Lang ]
[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ]
I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will
take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template.
The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal
one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior.
But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want
to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists
for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB.
Please email and or post any leads.... | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
I posted this about tow weeks ago but never saw it make it (Then again
I've had some problems with the mail system). Apologies if this appears
for the second time:
Usually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline
on my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually
place the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry
option the window appears right away, the properties specified by
the -geometry argument. The question now is:
How can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify
window position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window
size and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour.
Thanks for any hints
---> Robert
PS: I'm working in plain X, using tvtwm.
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| 5 | comp.windows.x |
[a lot of stuff deleted]
: For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of
: First Fruits). Torah commands that this be observed on the day following
: the Sabbath of Passover week. (Sunday by any other name in modern
: parlance.) Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection
: on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured? Why jump it all
: over the calendar the way Easter does? Why not just go with the Sunday
: following Passover the way the Bible has it? Why seek after unbiblical
: methods?
:
In fact, that is the reason Easter "jumps all over the calendar"- Passsover
itself is a lunar holiday, not a solar one, and thus falls over a wide
possible span of times. The few times that Easter does not fall during or
after Passover are because Easter is further linked to the Vernal Equinox-
the beginning of spring.
[more deletions]
:
: So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore
: goddess)? I am all for celebrating the Resurrection. Just keep that
: whore out of the discussion.
:
Your obsession with the term "whore" clouds your argument. "Whore" is
a value judgement, not a descriptive term.
[more deletions]
Overall, this argument is an illustration of the "etymological fallacy"
(see J.P. Louw: _Semantics of NT Greek_). That is the idea that the true
meaning of a word lies in its origins and linguistic form. In fact, our
own experience demonstrates that the meaning of a word is bound up with
how it is _used_, not where it came from. Very few modern people would
make any connection whatsoever between "Easter" and "Ishtar." If Daniel
Seagard does, then for him it has that meaning. But that is a highly
idiosyncratic "meaning," and not one that needs much refutation. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
You don't know much about modern automatic weapons, do you? Just about ANYBODY
with basic manufacturing skill can turn out HIGH QUALITY submachineguns. A
couple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building
submachineguns in the school shop.
I suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of "Smallarms of the
World". Your entire premise is based on non-factual assumptions.
| 16 | talk.politics.guns |
10 | rec.sport.hockey |
|
I just picked up a second-hand "color option" for the NEC P5200
24pin dot matrix printer. Alas, there were no installation instructions,
so I am totally confused on WHY it WON'T GO IN!
Do I have to remove the actaual print head? It seems *almost* to fit,
but not quite.
Please... any info would be most appreciated!
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Yesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline
by the documentary consortia. It is called "Memory of the camps" and shows some
"un-censored" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen
and other death camps.
I recommend it to everybody. Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast.
IT IS A MUST SEE documentary.
In the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary
on Monday 01:30 am.
You can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271. The cost is $59.95. | 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
It's not the picture tube. More likely the flyback. Emerson? can't admire.
Han | 12 | sci.electronics |
There are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the
fans. I feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties
more than names honouring personages. And of course, they would not appear
nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time.
Another thing that bothers me is the points system. Percentages, as used in
the other major sports are clearly more informative. When I look at the
NHL standings the first thing I have to do is make a quick calculation to
account for games in hand (which is almost always the case). Some will
object to percentages, claiming perhaps, that it is an "Americanization"
of the sport but I feel that using percentages is more informative and
whether it is "American" or not is irrelevant.
Even if Orr couldn't have contributed without the likes of Norris, you would
have to agree that Norris couldn't have contributed without the likes of Orr.
And taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made
the more meaningful contribution.
It doesn't look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it?
-- | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Homosexual Christians have indeed "checked out" these verses. Some of
them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations.
Others simply do not address the issues.
You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course
in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that
you stop "proof-texting" about things you know nothing about. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll...
First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to
give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed
a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me
your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before.
Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I
have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team
they play for, though.
So here are the up-to-date results so far:
Player Team Pts Votes
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Ed Belfour Chicago 8 4
Andy Moog Boston 8 3
3. Curtis Joseph St. Louis 5 2
4. Brian Hayward San Jose 4 2
5. Grant Fuhr Buffalo 3 1
Ron Hextall Quebec 3 1
7. Clint Malarchuk Buffalo 2 1
Manon Rheaume Atlanta (IHL) 2 1
9. John Casey Minnesota 1 1
Rick Wamsley Toronto (retired) 1 1
Thanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming!
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Hi Everyone--
It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida
and we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour
plotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil
system with a pond superimposed
/----------------- on it. We've given SURFER a
POND / | trial run but it interpolates
/ | contours out into the pond and/or
----------/ | creates artifacts at the borders.
a response, I'll post a summary. Thanks -- (and now back to lurking). | 1 | comp.graphics |
comp.windows.x
Please igore my previouse calculation mistaked. Please see the correct
calculation. Sorry!
x3 = 300;
@ = art tan (500 - 270)/(800 - 100)) = 18.19 degrees;
y3 = 100 + (300 - 270)/tan(@) = 191.29 ~= 191 integer
| 5 | comp.windows.x |
I am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if
you have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something
relate it, please let me know.
thanks | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Even if they outlawed private posession of firearms, there would be no moral
force behind that law; I imagine compliance would be low. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop
doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated
by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from.
It also gives the amount of "threats" it is picking up, so if you go through
the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the
number of "threats" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop.
It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem.
Rob Fusi
rwf2@lehigh.edu | 7 | rec.autos |
Does anyone know exactly how Digital Eclipse does their upgrades? Someone was
suggesting to me that some chips may not be able to perform at 33MHz. Is this
true, and if so, how does DESI deal with that?
-David | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
|
The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all.
But lets ignore that for the moment.
The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using
encryption?
Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as
Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption
process?
If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is
truly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers
(depending upon which causes more damage and to whom).
However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who
cares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line
is insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from
sunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the
attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a
clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed
the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the
phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse.
Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never
uses PGP.
Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is
kidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms.
One final thought addressed to EFF:
1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of
encryption where the encryption key must be revealed?
2.If you do, why? If not, why?
3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either
support or stop this proposal?
4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do
you offer?
The Jester | 11 | sci.crypt |
Rick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was
traded to the Pens...
-John Santore
=============================================================================
____________________
/ \ "We break the surface tension
\_________ ____ \ with our wild kinetic dreams"
/ / \ \ -Rush, Grand Designs
\_______ / (*) ) )
/ / /\___/ / Go Philadelphia Flyers!
\_____ / / /
/ / \_______/ John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)
\________/ | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
I would like to know if a Performa Plus monitor is compatible with Apple 14in
Color Display, or it is just a VGA moniro. Any help will be appreciate.
| 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
:
: No. I make a distinction between working for yourself to survive and
: paying dues to Mother Nature in the form of labour and working for
: Joe propertyowner because you do not have the option of working for
: yourself. Joe propertyowner stands between you and the earth you
: work and expects you to pay him *and* mother nature for the right
: to survive. The property laws create a layer of parasites that get
: fat on the fact that people have *no option* except to work in
: factories.
:
I want people to be able to get the things they need in life. Property
ownership may not be ideal, but it is far better at letting people get
what they need to live a productive, fulfulling life.
The first experiment in America, where property ownership was denied,
caused, starvation, hunger, and death. Few people know that the
Pilgrims originally tried to have common property to grow food and a
common food store. Many people know the hardships they suffered the
first few winters because of it. After arriving, the Pilgrims made all
property common. They all shared in the work and the resulting crops
went into a common store. After much debate the new Governor Bradford
privitized the land; assigning plots to each family. According to Perry
D. Westbrook: "The change was immediately justified by the increased
industry of the inhabitants and by the larger acreage planted."
experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried
sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the
vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of
later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into
a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser
than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much
confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been
to their benefit and comfort."
Bradford did not blame this failure on the "strangers", but on the basic
selfishness in all men. He wrote "seeing all men have this corruption in
them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them." In other
words, according to Westbrook, "Bradford found private enterprise to be
the most suitable economic policy for mankind in its fallen state."
Let's not make the same mistake that the Pilgrims made. Private
property allows a society to flourish, the alternative brings
starvation, poverty and discontent. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
I used the information provided in the recent resource listings and
tried to ftp to:
ccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]: ftp/mac/architec - *VISION-3D facet
and received an 'unknown host' message.
mail to Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz) bounces with basically
the same problem.
Where'd he go????
Rick
| 1 | comp.graphics |
I was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere I could
find a list (and hopefully comparison) of all the convertibles that are
out these days. Seems like they are making a big comeback - but I'm not
sure where to look
| 7 | rec.autos |
9 | rec.sport.baseball |
|
No chance. If that CS ignited at all, it would have been
quite similar to a grain bin explosion. Explosion, I note. The
entire compound would have been leveled, not merely burned. As
there was no explosion, there was no CS ignition causing the fire.
Note: at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will
knock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days. I speak
from experience here. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has
been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known
what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be
surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said
"nope" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results.
Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who
aren't happy with the junk they got instead.
The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and
so would the people reading it.
-andy | 6 | misc.forsale |
Since the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way??
Why do the Martian Landing thing.. Or am I missing something.. Don't know to
much about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?).
Why not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then...
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked | 14 | sci.space |
That still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths. Policemen are also in
the line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed.
Should we be happy when they die? As I said before, the question is not
whether or not you agree with the policies of Israel. You may wish for the
Israelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death.
| 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
A word of warning, though: Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable
locks under the Kryptonite name.
When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite
U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike. I then went out shopping for
a new lock for the bicycle.
For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock
(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,
Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).
I chose the Kryptonite cable. After less than a week, I took it back in
disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.
First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by
the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of
quality and quality assurance. It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable
lock with the Kryptonite name on it.
Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke. I
don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often
quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes
it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.
Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves
the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the
dark. I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the
lock mechanism would stand up to an "insert screwdriver and TORQUE"
attack.
Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to
deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is). All cables suffer the
weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time. If you are patient
you can cut cables with fingernail clippers. Aviation snips would go
through the cable in well under a minute.
-- | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Bill Burns was looking for a description of the differnces between the
Catholic and Lutheran churches.
I'd recommend Prof. William Whalen's book "Separated Brethren". It's
an overview of common US denominations, intended for a Catholic
audience.
| 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Any lunar satellite needs fuel to do regular orbit corrections, and when
its fuel runs out it will crash within months. The orbits of the Apollo
motherships changed noticeably during lunar missions lasting only a few
days. It is *possible* that there are stable orbits here and there --
the Moon's gravitational field is poorly mapped -- but we know of none.
Perturbations from Sun and Earth are relatively minor issues at low
altitudes. The big problem is that the Moon's own gravitational field
is quite lumpy due to the irregular distribution of mass within the Moon. | 14 | sci.space |
Sure nails can be cruel. I'd imagine nails in your eyes would be
*very* painful. But, this does not imply that a painless death is
cruel, which is what you are supposed to be trying to show. | 0 | alt.atheism |
Try this: flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the
mouse ball in place. Remove the ball, and inside you should see
(probably) 3 rollers. If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of
caked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully
scrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great). *Be Careful*
You do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt.
Put the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are.
I clean a couple of dozen of these every month here. Another symptom
is that when you move the mouse, it seems to "click" along. If this
doesn't solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse. I highly
recommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak,
place it in your drawer every night or when you don't use it to keep
the dust off.
Personally I prefer track balls. Oh, which brings me to another point:
if your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is
streaming through the window onto your mouse/trackball, you may notice
that it will stop working. If this happens to you, close the curtains
or blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps.
| 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also
true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different
reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say "neutron
and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay", boys and girls? | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 /
Good point, Kirk.
He's still around too. He's responded by email to a couple of my posts,
and gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil! This happed about the time
he got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns
out that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start
with) act responsibility once given the chance. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
Yo, Whaz up!!!
Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One
guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well,
I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
fires...." Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires
increased performance by increasing TORQUE. They weren't focusing
on horsepower numbers.
Now how does this related to us high performance pilots? Well, that
depends. Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?
In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,
but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.
So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.
But what about twins?... Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,
but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for
the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992). However,
twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands. So how does this
translate? Increased torque should "theoretically" help twins make
more power. Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods
or anything made, just stick 'em in.
Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
4's.
As far as racing teams.... Ducati team "Fast by Ferraci" used
splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James
running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.
Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....
Peace.
Warren
wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Have Suzuki, will travel..."
At a local "fix-er-up-er" shop, the bike repairest looked at a
dumped ZX-7. Then he asked the guy...
"What happened..." "I dumped the clutch..."
"How fast..." "Pretty fast..."
"Insurance..." "Nope."
The fixer smiled..... | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
April 16, 1993
INITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL
The Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on
cryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of
millions of Americans. The first part of the plan is to begin a
comprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as
export controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to
robust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology.
However, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already
reached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any
public comment or discussion has been allowed. Apparently, the
Administration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone
equipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the
National Security Agency. The so-called "Clipper Chip" is an 80-bit,
split key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips
manufactured by a military contractor. Two separate escrow agents would
store users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon
presentation of a valid warrant. The encryption scheme used is to be
classified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for
incorporation into its communications products.
This proposal raises a number of serious concerns .
First, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an
inquiry. The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure
product. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes.
Furthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for
the Clipper or any other chips. Rather, independent chip manufacturers
should be able to produce chipsets based on open standards.
Second, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the
Administration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified. EFF
believes that any standard adopted ought to be public and open. The
public will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is
open to independent, expert scrutiny.
Third, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may
prove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement
needs, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is
adopted. What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys?
Does disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth
Amendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries? These are but a few
of the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to
answer.
In sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance
of these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy
and security. However, the "Clipper Chip" solution ought to be
considered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the
discussion even begins.
DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL:
ESCROW
The 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom
hold 40-bits of each key. The manufacturer of the communications device
would be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow
agents. A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it.
Upon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would
have to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents. According to
the Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be
asked to identify appropriate escrow agents. Some in the Administration
have suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the
Federal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen,
but there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet.
CLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS
The Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which
the government or others could break the code without securing keys from
the escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no
back doors to this classified algorithm. In order to prove this,
Administration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto
cracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the
algorithm for trap doors. The results of the investigation would then be
made public.
The Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source,
secret contract between the National Security Agency and two private
firms: VLSI and Mycotronx. NSA work on this plan has been underway for
about four years. The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago.
GOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER
In order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes
in the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers
for this product. Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al
Gore, and maybe even the President. At today's Commerce Department press
briefing, a number of people asked this question, though: why would any
private organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had
no independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors?
COMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY
The Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an
inquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption,
and law enforcement. The items to be considered include: export
controls on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony
Proposal. It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the
National Security Council. Unfortunately, however, the Presidential
Directive describing the inquiry is classified. Some public involvement
in the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified.
FROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:
Jerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org)
Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org)
Full text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the
Administration will be available on EFF's ftp site. | 11 | sci.crypt |
(1) Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver, Model Pro 710e.
This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and
PA speaker. 3.5"x3" internal speaker, chanel 9/10 button, NB/ANL/PA
selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls,
Comes with Mic. Side mount for mic. measures 14"x8"x3". Plugs into
110v. Black
Like new. (actually brand new) Asking $105, shipping included
(2) Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit
This one is well used. black w/silver front. comes with mic, power
cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket, gutter mount antena is also
included (easy to install and remove).
Asking $45, shipping included
Or both for $130, including shipping. The Uniden alone is about
$150 in Kmart. These two will work nicely together, have one in
the garage and one in your truck.
| 6 | misc.forsale |
^^^^^
I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is
reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel
port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an
interrupt.
On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here
at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1,
a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which
normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight
with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem
was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon
as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after
several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
If anyone has Joe Venuti's record "Fiddle on Fire" and would like to sell it
please contact me.
| 6 | misc.forsale |
Seems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just
buy your $1000 worth of stock today. It's being traded everyday. After you
own your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later. It's probably even a
good investment. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
I envision incorporation of new standart into
various communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market &
therefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from
communication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip
to the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the
form of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks
will encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone.
Natural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the
government databases - or else this new version of "wiretap proposal"
make no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular
person, not on the particular modem or phone.
As a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about
ability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now
anyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens,
making it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when
interceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of
state officials ?
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu | 11 | sci.crypt |
We have a program written with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1. It runs fine on the Sun
X11R5 server and MacX. When that program is run under the Sparc 2 and the
OW server, the program crashed itself along with the server. It crashed before
the first window had showed up.
I got the following error from X.
XIO: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server "perot:0.0"
after 62 requests (59 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.
I have run the program with xmon and below is the last twenty lines or so from
xmon before both the program and server crashed.
............REQUEST: GetProperty
delete: False
window: WIN 00900001
property: ATM 00000074
type: ATM 00000074
long-offset: 00000000
..............REPLY: GetProperty
format: 00
type: <NONE>
bytes-after: 00000000
............REQUEST: GetInputFocus
..............REPLY: GetInputFocus
revert-to: Parent
focus: WIN 0040000d
............REQUEST: ChangeProperty
mode: Replace
window: WIN 00900001
property: ATM 00000074
type: ATM 00000074
format: 08
data: 42 00 00 01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 75 00 00 00 00
............REQUEST: GetInputFocus
Please email to me if you have any idea of the above problem.
Thanks in advance.
| 5 | comp.windows.x |
According to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at
the 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it. I have a non-pc system
(don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built
around SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either.
Brian
( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca )
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
_________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 4, 1993
PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT
WITH RUSSIAN PRESS
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
2:46 P.M. PDT
Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you
could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll
give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.)
Q The first is that this is the meeting of the
Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government
money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the
government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going
to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian
businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What
are the priorities, because there are several association of
Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to
participate in setting up priorities for investment?
This is the first. And second, to you. We know
that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans
are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls
say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times
published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war;
42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent
if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to
sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not
very enthusiastic? Thank you.
Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going
to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the
answers. Just the answers. Okay.
THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is,
it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example,
the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will
obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be
good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will
be used to support the privatization of existing public
enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the
Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have
some influence over the distribution of.
With regard to your second question, let me say that
I would think that there would be people in both countries who
would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government
giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to
that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history
there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That
is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole
history of America, any kind of aid program has always been
unpopular.
What I have tried to tell the American people is, is
this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that
this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion --
trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments
because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in
Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them
working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies
going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it
possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the
economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and
investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce
nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on
our side and on the Russian side.
So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an
investment for the United States. This is very much in the
interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the
second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next
week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for
the taxpayers and workers of my country.
Russia is a very great nation that needs some
partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share
her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view
this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not
what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful
investment.
Like all investments, there is some risk. But
there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than
the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier
of the Cold War.
Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very
much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory
of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American
President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind
of a very measured breakthrough.
I have two questions. One, in your introductory
remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief
that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you
tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to
what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification
of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how
confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager
to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions
inherited from the Cold War?
PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of
Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with
regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent
states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States
develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing
that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of
the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude
our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that
would provide not only an important economic opportunity for
Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out
on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed
off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and
we agreed to continue to press that.
I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to
reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the
Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the
United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine,
but that, in order to do what we need to do together to
strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States
be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join
the NPT regime is critical.
What was the second question?
THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and
COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the
Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will,
as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other
restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on
relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies
of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of
them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the
leadership of the Congress.
With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be
an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there
are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to
emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there
is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed
to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be
much less.
With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing
more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my
own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement
out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to
begin it in the fairly near future.
Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in
Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely
different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not
political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of
Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the
difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the
difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of
Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the
last part of your speech?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to
compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say
what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a
boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the
music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been
thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music
for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists
and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know
as much as I could about your history.
And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then
the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last
presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone
in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr.
Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I
was following events there very closely and hoping for the day
when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a
personal feeling about Russia.
I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like
music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a
musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York
Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony
to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly
than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically
so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it
occurred.
These are things that have always had a big impact
on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever
had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two
countries become closer partners. (Applause.)
THE PRESS: Thank you. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Here's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable
one: Make it voluntary.
That is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree
to escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.
David
| 11 | sci.crypt |
Gregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice
things aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim
them to be upsets you, but exactly who is being childish here is
open to question.
BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank -
what will someone bet me they weren't "real" Islamic owners and
operators? - and yet it actually turned out to be a long-running
and quite ruthless operation to steal money from small and often
quite naive depositors.
And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into
BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down
the street? Could it be that they believed an Islamically owned
and operated bank couldn't possibly cheat them?
So please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all
work out right next time. | 0 | alt.atheism |
The above does not tell the proper story of SCSI:
SCSI-I: 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB/s ave}, synchronous {5MB/s max} transfer
base.
SCSI-1{faster} this requires a SCSI-2 controller chip and provides
SCSI-2 {8-bit to 16-bit} speeds with SCSI-1 controlers.
SCSI-2: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst{8-bit}, 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst {16-bit},
and 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst{32-bit/wide and fast}. 16-bit SCSI can be
wide or fast, it depends on how the port is designed{The Quadras will support
fast SCSI but not wide when the OS SCSI manager is rewritten since the
Quardas use a SCSI-1 {non-wide} port}.
The article in PC Mag 4/27/93:29 was talking about SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 uses
TEN (10) devices in it native mode, outside its native mode it behaves a
lot like SCSI-1 (7 devices, slower through put}
From your own figures SCSI-1 is indeed twice ESDI as the article pointed out
as for "20% faster then IDE" that seems to be 8-bit SCSI-1 using a SCSI-2
contoler chip {The Mac Quadra uses a SCSI-2 controler chip for its SCSI-1
and gets 6MB/s through put for asynchronous {8-bit} SCSI-1, far in excess of a
normal SYNCHRONOUS SCSI-1 output} 120% of 8.3 is 9.96 which is near
the burst of a SCSI-1 machine with a SCSI-2 controller chip.
The PC world seems to have SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 mixed up. Fact is SCSI-2
controler chips allow near SCSI-2 speeds through a SCSI-1 device
{As shown in the Mac Quadra} which skews some of the data of SCSI-1 vs
IDE or ESDI test. I agree that the article COULD have stated that the "20%
faster then IDE" came off a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 chip. Maybe it
was there and the EDITOR killed it because the article was dealing with
SCSI-1 NOT SCSI-2 and he did not understand the effect of a SCSI-1 device
with a SCSI-2 controller chip.
SCSI-1 chips are limited to 5/MB max. SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips
{becoming common} produce up to 10Mb/s in 8-bit mode and 20MB/s in 16-bit
mode {the fast version, SCSI-1 ports cannot use wide SCSI}. Of cource
the prime piece of wierdness is that SCSI-1 devices HAVE SCSI-2 chips
{or more accurately the machine does}. This allows the best of BOTH
worlds: high SCSI-2 speeds and cheeper SCSI-1 costs {FULL SCSI-2 hardware
(port, electronic controller, etc) is VERY expensive. It ALSO creates
a logistic NIGHTMARE as to how fast SCSI-1 goes. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Having been gone for 10 days, I'm way behind on my News reading, so many
pardons if I am repeating something that has been said already.
I read a good book while I was away, THE ANTIBIOTIC PARADOX: HOW MIRACLE DRUGS
ARE DESTROYING THE MIRACLE, Stuart B. Levy, M.D., 1992, Plenum Press,
ISBN:0-306-44331-7.
It is about drug resistant microorganisms & the history of antibiotics. It
is interesting & written at a level which I think many sci.med readers would
appreciate -- which is: it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of
understanding scientific concepts, but who may not yet have been exposed to
this particular information. I.e., it assumes you are smart enough to
understand it, but it does not assume that you already have a degree in
microbiology or medicine. Table of contents:
Chapter 1
From Tragedy the Antibiotic Age is Born
Chapter 2
The Disease and the Cure: The Microscopic World of Bacteria and
Antibiotics
Chapter 3
Reliance on Medicine and Self-Medication: The Seeds of Antibiotic
Misuse
Chapter 4
Antibiotic Resistance: Microbial Adaptation and Evolution
Chapter 5
The Antibiotic Myth
Chapter 6
Antibiotics, Animals and the Resistance Gene Pool
Chapter 7
Further Ecological Considerations: Antibiotic Use in Agriculture,
Aquaculture, Pets, and Minor Animal Species
Chapter 8
Future Prospects: New Advances Against Potential Disaster
Chapter 9
The Individual and Antibiotic Resistance
Chapter 10
Antibiotic Resistance: A Societal Issue at Local, National, and
International Levels.
Includes bibliography and index.
I personally found that it made very good Airplane-Reading.
-rg
| 13 | sci.med |
Oh, excuse me for wasting the bandwidth, but I was referring to
the original incident, not the recent skirmish which occurred
this past month.
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory,
a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri
Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS
never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an
NHL record 9th OT loss this season.
Roster move:
Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill
Injuries:
Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched.
Lines:
Eklund-Lindros-Recchi
Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen
Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy
Faust-Acton-Brown
Galley-Bowen
Yushkevich-Hawgood
Carkner-Hynes
Dominic Roussel
Game Summary:
I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts
I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by
a few things I did pick up:
First Period:
Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51
Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp)
Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda,
Har (interference) 18:43
Second Period:
Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00
Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09
Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38
Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har
major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski,
Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50
Third Period:
Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp)
Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11
Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38
Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30
Overtime:
Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15.
Penalties - None
Power Play:
Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4
Goalies:
Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves)
Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33)
On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue
line and Nylander stripped him and took off.
The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros.
The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it
ended up behind the goalie.
On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in.
This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if
they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner,
Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of
them was the closest FLYER to the play.
That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it
was that scored, much less how.
From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart
asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the
game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised
that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy
Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season
and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark.
But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for
number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between
him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2????
What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked...
#1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice.
The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no
accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without
Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric
Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey
next season.
#2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour,
and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't
play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family
has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy
Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again
about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years.
#3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season
scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player
get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season.
Not a tough choice.
Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total
which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line
this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the
defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either.
Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie
mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling
that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up
anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman
in years to come.
Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some
things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome,
he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his
wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive
contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end
will make him a much more important part of the team next year.
Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total.
But consistency became a problem for him.
A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members:
Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail
addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer.
If you're interested, you can send him mail at:
att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK
The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning
percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in
Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in
next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as
many goals as they allowed, 319.
The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985.
I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey
News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have
no other way of getting them.
I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing
the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time
almost bearable.
FLYERS team record watch:
Eric Lindros:
41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points
(rookie records)
club record goals: club record points:
Eric Lindros 40 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84
Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80
Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Eric Lindros 75 1992-93
Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82
Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86
Mark Recchi:
53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points.
club record goals: club record points:
Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Mark Recchi 123 1992-93*
Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76
Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75
Mark Recchi 53 1992-93* Bill Barber 112 1975-76
Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73
Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73
Reggie Leach 50 1979-80
*More than 80 games.
FLYERS career years:
Player Points Best Prior Season
Mark Recchi 123 113 (90-91 Penguins)
Rod Brind'Amour 86 77 (91-92 FLYERS)
Garry Galley 62 38 (84-85 Kings)
Brent Fedyk 59 35 (90-91 Red Wings)
That's all for now... | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Jim,
Please feel free to correct me and give me some texts. As far as I can see the
only text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15.
However since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which
makes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
And in Russia, capitalists were persecuted for trading goods on the
black market. And in the US, capitalist minded types are imprisoned and killed
for things such as selling drugs, guns, pornography, and other victimless
activities. It doesn't matter whether you are socialist or capitalist,
power and control are central to government. Since citizens can't be trusted to
run their own affairs, the government must watch them. (for their
own good of course. I mean, with strong cryptography, citizens might <gasp!>
start to hide things from the IRS, sell drugs/guns/pornography, and
that cannot be allowed!)
| 11 | sci.crypt |