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I tend to agree. I came here when it first started and watched it grow from the roots on talk.religion.misc. It seemed to take a while for enough atheists to come forward to get past the "Let's trash Xians" and such. Now there's a stable core, and frankly there's a feeling that this is _our_ group. If we go mainstream, we're going to be in a lot more places. And every fucking fundy loonie freshman will be dumping on us to find Jeesus! and warn us that we're all going to Hell. Want to see what we'll get? Go real alt.fan.brother-jed and imagine that those imbecilic tirades will be here. All the time. Every other post. I'm being selfish. I find I really learn a lot here and the S/N isn't too bad. The Browns and the Boobys are a distraction, but they are few enough that they even bring in some of the leavening needed to offset them. But I greatly fear that mainstreaming would basically put us at the swamping level of the Conners of the world. Regards, Dew
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alt.atheism
Ok, here's a nice easy question for all you out there. When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a print-screen. I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. If it's relavant, I'm using 'Quarterdeck 6.0' expanded memory manager for my 386. Please e-mail any responses, since I don't get to read the news too often. Thanks in advance.
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
About 18 months ago, I heard a report on NPR about a 900-number "1-900-STO-PPER" or some such, for placing untraceable calls. You call them, and on "bong" tone dial the number you want to call; they told the NPR interviewer that nothing short of a court order (which they'd fight) would make them release their records. Matt Healy "I pretend to be a network administrator; the lab net pretends to work"
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sci.crypt
That's a standby unit not a UPS, otherwise there would be no interuption. Many standby units are labled as UPS's though. Morgan Bullard mb4008@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu or mjbb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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sci.electronics
Politicians want to eliminate private ownership of guns before the general public starts violently resisting the tax increases needed to fund the federal government as an ever higher percentage of tax revenue goes to pay interest on the national debt (currently 57 cents out of every tax dollar collected and rising). -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
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talk.politics.guns
this week's autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue. i wouldn't mind an audi s4 wagon (great stealth value) but you'll never catch me dead in a minivan!
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rec.autos
IDE does not do DMA. This is because it's like te PC AT hard disk interface. The controller moves a sector to some buffer memory on the controller card, then the CPU moves the data from the buffer to main memory where it's needed. If IDE doesn't work this way, then it's not compatible. Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE did DMA there would be trouble. (BTW, there are DMA-enabling signals in the IDE cable spec, but the last report I heard was that they are never implemented, because it would require a different kind of IDE adapter and different drivers.)
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework that trade in a minute. Druce has been a complete and utter bust here, only 5 goals.
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rec.sport.hockey
As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played? This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are also off to a good start.
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rec.sport.baseball
Does anybody have an algorithm for "flattening" out a globe, or any other parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a globe (or any other object).
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comp.graphics
Update on location!! Directory should be: public/virtual-worlds!! ^^^^^^ Sorry! :-)
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comp.graphics
We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.
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sci.space
Car and Driver rated the 325is (1988) at 7.2 0-60 , 1/4 at 15.2 (after 30k miles) last time I checked 8#}. Automobile magazine rated new 325is 1/4 mile@16.2. Gee , aint quotiin funner than the dickens! Sounds like we need a race. I'll let you have the newer version. Can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8-]. I wont hurt it, I promise.
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rec.autos
Also, Alomar got a FAR greater boost from his home park than Baerga did from his. And "six or seven home runs"? Hmm. So, if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in Toronto, you'd take Alomar. Anywhere else, and you'd probably take Baerga. Mike
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rec.sport.baseball
Subject says it all. Please email soon. skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Checker Motors went out of business in 1982. It's hard to get old Checkers that are worth restoring, since almost every one was a fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground. If you can get a body in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available _somewhere_ - Checker used whatever parts were around. For instance, I had a Chevy straight six and a GMC Truck radiator and a Ford rear in mine. Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one.
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rec.autos
Well, I'm back from Tokyo, so here are the standings after the April 13 update. - Andrew USENET Hockey Draft Standings Week 27 Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn 1. Dave Wessels 1536 1572.8 1.9 (1) 2. Bob Hill 1481 1538.1 24.0 (3) 3. Gilles Carmel 1492 1529.9 1.0 (2) 4. Seppo Kemppainen 1430 1514.0 47.2 (5) 5. The Awesome Oilers 1412 1504.4 68.6 (4) 6. Hillside Raiders 1456 1495.2 7.0 (7) 7. Mak "The Knife" Paranjape 1424 1491.7 31.0 (6) 8. Jan Stein 1412 1483.2 35.3 (8) 9. this years model 1428 1479.3 17.6 (10) 10. Rangers Of Destiny 1401 1475.9 42.0 (9) Tapio Repo 1422 1475.9 19.6 (11) 12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1398 1453.9 22.0 (12) 13. The Underachievers 1409 1452.9 10.1 (13) 14. On Thin Ice 1380 1440.9 32.3 (14) 15. Go Flames 1367 1438.1 40.3 (17) 16. littlest giants 1370 1437.7 35.6 (16) 17. Mopar Muscle Men 1400 1431.4 3.7 (18) 18. Lindros Losers 1396 1431.2 1.7 (15) 19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1357 1411.0 20.2 (19) 20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1360 1396.3 4.9 (20) 21. Boomer's Boys 1341 1371.6 0.2 (23) 22. General Accounting Office 1316 1369.4 20.9 (21) 23. Delaware Wombats 1341 1367.5 1.3 (24) 24. Migods Menschen 1307 1366.8 31.6 (22) 25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1280 1362.3 52.6 (25) 26. Rocky Mountain High 1325 1357.2 1.8 (26) 27. Fife Flyers 1283 1348.4 31.4 (27) 28. Gerald Olchowy 1275 1340.2 33.7 (28) 29. Dave Snell 1281 1335.7 25.0 (59) 30. Fluide Glacial 1291 1333.7 18.0 (29) 31. Gaoler 1279 1321.5 11.2 (30) 32. SmegHeads 1289 1315.8 0.3 (31) 33. The Young And The Skateless 1235 1305.6 42.9 (32) 34. Sam & His Dogs 1262 1297.3 11.6 (34) 35. Neural Netters 1251 1294.2 11.3 (35) 36. Youngbucs 1206 1288.1 101.7 (36) 37. Artic Storm 1220 1287.7 39.3 (33) 38. Soft Swedes 1205 1281.5 46.9 (37) 39. Jeff Horvath 1239 1268.6 5.6 (38) 40. Milton Keynes Kings 1229 1262.5 2.8 (40) 41. Hamster from Hoboken 1223 1257.0 8.7 (41) Kuehn Crushers 1185 1257.0 45.1 (45) 43. Le Fleur de Lys 1202 1256.9 25.3 (42) 44. Yan The Man Loke 1225 1255.5 0.7 (39) 45. 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Oklahoma Stormchasers 1053 1103.6 28.3 (121) 117. SPUDS 1068 1103.4 12.6 (119) 118. Pond Slime 1081 1102.3 0.7 (117) 119. PSV Dartmouth 1071 1101.4 7.1 (116) 120. Mark Sanders 1065 1099.2 11.1 (120) 121. Blue Talon 1062 1096.5 13.3 (126) 122. Stanford Ice Hawks 1043 1094.7 28.2 (118) 123. Aye Carumba!!! 1063 1089.6 3.9 (124) 124. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 1021 1088.0 40.3 (125) 125. Timo Ojala 1059 1085.7 0.3 (122) 126. Haral 1057 1085.3 7.3 (128) 127. Cluster Buster 1048 1083.4 7.6 (136) 128. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1054 1082.7 1.2 (135) 129. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1037 1081.1 23.3 (127) 130. The Lost Poots 1048 1080.5 6.7 (132) 131. Nesbitt 1058 1078.6 1.1 (123) 132. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 1035 1077.8 19.6 (144) 133. garys team 1035 1076.2 17.1 (129) 134. Arctic Circles 1012 1074.1 37.6 (131) 135. Seattle PFTB 1028 1074.0 22.9 (132) 136. Late Night with David Letterman 1049 1073.7 0.0 (130) 137. Le Groupe MI 1020 1073.2 30.2 (141) 138. GO BRUINS 1046 1072.7 6.2 (140) 139. 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Allez les Blues 738 809.1 476.9 (257) 258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 749 789.4 23.0 (258) 259. Petes Picks 721 788.0 168.5 (259) 260. RINACO 709 781.8 114.0 (260) 261. Brenz Revenge 691 713.3 4.0 (261) 262. Dinamo Riga 595 663.9 571.6 (262) -- Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253
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rec.sport.hockey
Very interesting, but I also believe that you have presented a misleading argument. Christianity is not the cause of the massacres and horrific injustices that you relate, rather they are the fault of people who misunderstand Jesus Christ's message, and modify it to suit their own beliefs and aims, rather than alter their ambitions to be more in line with those presented as desirable in the New Testament. With every truthful and good message that carries authority or implied authority, comes the inevitable fact that some (many?) people will understand it in a distorted way, with inevitable consequences. The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and that all people are redeemable. It preaches a message of repentance, and of giving. Unfortunately, all people have deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways. This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine. One of the problems is that you look at the world through the eyes of Western history. I think that you will find many, many cases of massacres that were instigated by people who never claimed they were Christian. I am not saying this to justify the massacres that were, but I am merely pointing you to a tendency which is present in humans already. Consider the world without Christianity. I doubt that we would have the same freedoms in the countries in which we live, if it wasn't for the peaceful doctrines of Jesus Christ. Perhaps we would even be confronted by a very harsh religion (I won't name any here, though one comes to mind) which would not even allow us the freedom of speech to debate such subjects. Point the blame at inherent human tendencies of thirst for power, greed and hatred. Please don't point the blame at a message which preaches fundamental giving and denial, in love for others. Yours in Christ, Andrew McVeigh p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian. Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour of the world, and especially Christians. I praise God for Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time again. -- *****
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soc.religion.christian
Wow, you're quicker to point out heresy than the Church in the Middle ages. Seriously though, even the Sheiks at Al-Azhar don't claim that the Shi'ites are heretics. Most of the accusations and fabrications about Shi'ites come out of Saudi Arabia from the Wahabis. For that matter you should read the original works of the Sunni Imams (Imams of the four madhabs). The teacher of at least two of them was Imam Jafar Sadiq (the sixth Imam of the Shi'ites).
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alt.atheism
... Another April 1 posting. Ahhh.
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sci.electronics
Two-volume soft-cover repair manuals for all models of '91 Toyota Celicas. (Probably good for '92 models as well.) Like new condition. These are the manuals used by the Toyota dealers' mechanics - they normally cost over $80 new. $50 OBO
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rec.autos
[...deleted...] Unfortunately, I think you've got it figured pretty well. I also ask myself the question "Why did they plan for so many months. Why was this so important to them? What was the government really up to? Why did they seal the warrant? Were they after Koresh or were they after the first and second amendments, among others?
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talk.religion.misc
I got just this far. What do you mean by "goal"? I hope you don't mean to imply that evolution has a conscious "goal".
0
alt.atheism
How about a Geeky temporary tatoo? I mean, why should the RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.
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rec.motorcycles
There are many organisms, viral, bacterial, and fungal, which can cause meningitits, and the course of these infections varies widely. The causes of bacterial meningitis vary with age: in adults pneumococcus (the same organism which causes pneumococcal pneumonia) is the most common cause, while in children Hemophilus influenzae is the most common cause. What you are describing is meningitis from Neisseria meningitidis, which is the second most common cause of bacterial meningitis in both groups, but with lower incidence in infants. This organism is also called the "meningococcus", and is the source of the common epidemics of meningitis that occur and are popularized in the press. Without prompt treatment (and even WITH it in some cases), the organism typically causes death within a day. This organism, feared as it is, is actually grown from the throats of many normal adults. It can get to the meninges by different ways, but blood borne spread is probably the usual case. Rifampin (an oral antibiotic) is often given to family and contacts of a case of meningococcal meningitis, by the way. Sorry, but I don't have time for a more detailed reply. Meningitis is a huge topic, and sci.med can't do it justice.
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sci.med
Hamza answers one of my articles: [TO] If indeed Israeli soldiers killed a "Hamas Mujahid" with an anti-tank [TO] missile then I'm almost sure that the "terrorist zionists" would not [TO] have been able to cut up a body which was probably desintegrated by the [TO] missile. [Hamza] maybe the missile didn't hit directly such that his body [Hamza] gets "desintegrated." of course, destroying 10 houses to [Hamza] kill someone is not a surgical operation, or is it? Well done Hamza. You edited my answer to Anas Omran, took everything out of context and then replied to it the way you wanted. Now I really understand why the peace process is not making any progress. You guys ain't listening, just babbling away to your same old rhetoric.
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talk.politics.mideast
Lets hear it for Dan Goldin...now if he can only convince the rest of our federal government that the space program is a worth while investment! I hope that I will live to see the day we walk on Mars, but we need to address the technical hurdles first! If there's sufficient interest, maybe we should consider starting a sci.space group devoted to the technical analysis of long-duration human spaceflight. Most of you regulars know that I'm interested in starting this analysis as soon as possible.
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sci.space
I bought the diamond stealth 24 a few months ago. it seems to be a great card especially with my multimedia presentations. It runs graphics and animation as well as some near full motion video very well. The only thing I can tell that it lacks is speed above 256 colors. Its qualit in between 256 and 16.7 million collors un unreal but you definitly compromise speed. It seems to be a great card for graphics and it comes with some great software, but Im not so sure about the excelerator part. I used to own a paridise and it doesnt seem to be much faster than that. One thing I do like is that it loads its own vesa driver from ROM at startup, (I think) because I have never had to load it for links386 or any other programs that require special VESA drivers at startup. gromi a16pd HINTMATT@BA.BA.ISU.EDU
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comp.graphics
<<Posting deleted. The moderator replies: That is generally accuate, but contains one serious error. We Catholics do believe that God's revealed truth that is not explicitly recorded in the Bible can be and is passed on through the Tradition of the Church. It should be noted that the Tradition of the Church, otherwise known as Sacred Tradition, is not the same as ordinary human traditions. However, we do not believe that additional truth will be revealed to the Church. Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine, ended with the death of St. John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can be added. Theologians study this revelation and can draw out implications that were not recognized previously, so that the Council of Nicea could define statements about the theology of the Trinity and the Incarnation that were not explicitly stated in the Bible and had been disputed before the council, but there was no new revelation at Nicea or at any subsequent council. Cardinal Newman's _An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine_, written while he was still an Anglican, is an excellent discussion of of this point. It was recently reprinted as a Doubleday Image Books paperback with some related shorter works under the title _Conscience, Consensus, and the Development of Doctrine_. ------- Marty Helgesen Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
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soc.religion.christian
Not to mention that the G-men believed the children didn't have gas masks. But that was not, with respect to the children, the point of the gassing. The feds *knew* that the children's health would be in danger and proceeded under the assumption that the "motherly instinct" of the Davidian women would remove them from harm's way. I busted a gut on that one. Someone else on the net observed that the administration's appeal to a woman's "motherly instinct" would never wash with feminists and liberals if a republican were in the White House. I say that such an justification could *only* come from a feminist mindset. BTW - I'd read in the paper yesterday that the type of gas used was CS2. The paper didn't provide any specifics about it.
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talk.politics.guns
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew whether or not Logitech had Windows TWAIN drivers for the Scanman. If so, are the drivers on the net somewhere? My Scanman is the model one down from the Scanman 256. Thanks in advance. Ross Barclay
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Dear Reader, I'am searching for an implementation of a polygon reduction algorithm for marching cubes surfaces. I think the best one is the reduction algorithm from Schroeder et al., SIGGRAPH '92. So, is there any implementation of this algorithm, it would be very nice if you could leave it to me. Also I'am looking for a fast !!! connectivity test for marching cubes surfaces. Any help or hints will be very useful. Thanks a lot
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comp.graphics
[h] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS [h] to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their [h] territorium... [HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today [HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) [HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the [HE] the "Great Armenia" dream in this? Greater Armenia would stretch from Karabakh, to the Black Sea, to the Mediterranean, so if you use the term "Greater Armenia" use it with care. [HE] With facist methods like [HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the [HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to [HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds [HE] by the Armenians. It has always been up to the Azeris to end their announced winning of Karabakh by removing the Armenians! When the president of Azerbaijan, Elchibey, came to power last year, he announced he would be be "swimming in Lake Sevan [in Armeniaxn] by July". Well, he was wrong! If Elchibey is going to shell the Armenians of Karabakh from Aghdam, his people will pay the price! If Elchibey is going to shell Karabakh from Fizuli his people will pay the price! If Elchibey thinks he can get away with bombing Armenia from the hills of Kelbajar, his people will pay the price. It also seems other non-Azeri minorities in Azerbaijan have understood they are next in line in this process of forced Azerification or deportation. Just look at the situation with the Lezgians. About the Kurds...what Kurds! According to the Azerbaijani government, there are no Kurds in Azerbaijan. Can't they make up their minds? Oh I see, there are only Kurds when the Azeris want them to be Kurds! And anyway, this "60 Kurd refugee" story, as have other stories, are simple fabrications sourced in Baku, modified in Ankara. Other examples of this are Armenia has no border with Iran, and the ridiculous story of the "intercepting" of Armenian military conversations as appeared in the New York Times supposedly translated by somebody unknown, from Armenian into Azeri Turkish, submitted by an unnamed "special correspondent" to the NY Times from Baku. Real accurate! [h] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane [h] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one [h] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane [h] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. [h] No, Henrik, these Turkish planes should be shot down with no questions asked. [HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes [HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities [HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo [HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. [HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of [HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not [HE] humanitarian aid..... Your "facts" in error. Shipments of all kinds that have transversed Turkey have been either searched, re-routed or confiscated. Some American planes were searched, others were re-routed, others were untouched. Rail shipments were held up last fall and last winter from entering Armenian from Turkey for the purpose of aiding in the economic collapse of Armenia. Wheat was confiscated, other shipments were exchanged with "crap" and dirt, then shipped to Armenia. U.S. planes don't have to use Turkish air bases. The U.S. uses these bases to bomb Iraq. Anyway, U.S. planes can fly over Georgia, which they have found is easier than to endure unnecessary expressions of Turkish chauvinism through searches of cargo which to this day have not revealed anything other than a paranoid Turkish military. [HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. [HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? Well, big mouth Ozal said military weapons are being provided to Azerbaijan from Turkey, yet Demirel and others say no. No wonder you are so confused! [HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons [HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan [HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons [HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? You are correct, all Turkish planes should be simply shot down! Nice, slow moving air transports!
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100% Israeli citizens. The ethnic composition depends on what you mean by formed. What the UN deeded to Israel? What it won in war? Were there anti-trust laws in place in mandatory Palestine? Since the answer is no, you're argument, while interestingly constructed, is irrelevant. I will however, respond to a few points you assert in the course of talking about anti-trust laws. And those fleeing Arab lands, where Jews were second class citizens. Jews often paid far more than fair market value for the land they bought. You know, Sam, when people start talking about an International Jewish conspiracy, its really begins to sound like anti-Semitic bull. The reason there is no conspiracy here is quite simple. Zionists made no bones about what was going on. There were conferences, publications, etc, all talking about creating a National home for the Jews. [...] Because you've never heard of it, its dead? The fact is, you claimed Israel had to give arabs rights because of (non-existant) International aid. Then you see that that argument has a hole you could drive a truck through, and again assert that Israel is only democratic within the (unexplained) constraints of one ethnic group. The problem with that argument is that Arabs are allowed to vote for whoever they please. So, please tell me, Sam, what constraints are there on Israeli democracy that don't exist in other democratic states? I've never heard anything about the Khazakistani arab population. Does that mean that they have no history or roots? When I was at Ben Gurion university in Israel, one of my neighbors was an Israeli arab. He wasn't really all that different from my other neighbors. Does that make him dead or oppressed? How recent is recent? I can probably build a case for a Jewish Gaza city. It would be pretty silly, but I could do it. I'm arguing not that Jerusalem is Jewish, but that land has no ethnicity. Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
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For the purpose of a contest, I'd bet some things could be cut. Like fuel for re-entry, any kind of heat shielding, etc., etc. Even still, if the contest participants had to fund DC-1 development, it probably wouldn't be worth it to develop DC-1 (just for the contest). Just give me the cheapest heaviest lift man rated (or at least under 6 or so Gs) booster... If I don't have to pay for DC-1 development, great!, I'll use it. But back to the contest goals, there was a recent article in AW&ST about a low cost (it's all relative...) manned return to the moon. A General Dynamics scheme involving a Titan IV & Shuttle to lift a Centaur upper stage, LEV, and crew capsule. The mission consists of delivering two unmanned payloads to the lunar surface, followed by a manned mission. Total cost: US was $10-$13 billion. Joint ESA(?)/NASA project was $6-$9 billion for the US share. I didn't find a mention of how long the crew could stay, but I'd bet that its around 30 days. And the total payload delivered was about 30 metric tonnes. So if you ignore the scientific payload, hitch a ride in the crew habitation module (no return trip...), and toss in a few more tonnes for the additional consumables to last another 11 months, then you *might* be able to get a year visit out of 15 tonnes (and in case its not obvious, that's a wild ass guess). A pretty boring visit, since every trip outdoors eats up a bit of LOX. And I'm not certain if a home brewed (or college-brewed) life support system could last a year. But let's round this up to 19.4 tonnes (convient, since the GD plan talks about 9.7 ton payloads delivered to the lunar surface. This adds up to two Centaurs, two LEVs, two Shuttle flights... All to put a single man on the moon for a year. Hmmm. Not really practical. Anyone got a cheaper/better way of delivering 15-20 tonnes to the lunar surface within the decade? Anyone have a more precise guess about how much a year's supply of consumables and equipment would weigh? And I was wondering about the GD LEV. Is it reusable? Or is it discarded to burn up on return to LEO? If its not discarded, could it be refueled? Henry: Do you know anything about the GD LEV? I noted that it uses RL-10 engines. Aren't they reusable/restartable? Would a LEV fit in a DC-1? I've forgotten (if I ever knew) what the cargo bay dimensions are for the DC-1. All in all, I'm not certain that the single goal/prize of staying on the moon for a year is wise and/or useful. How about: A prize for the first non-government sponsered unmanned moon landing, then another for a manned moon landing, then yet another for a system to extract consumables from lunar soil, another for a reusable earth/moon shuttle, and so forth. Find some way to build civilian moonbase infrastructure... Having a single goal might result in a bunch of contestents giving up after one person appeared to win. And for those that didn't give up, I find something a little scary about a half dozen people huddling in rickety little moon shelters. I'd like to see as much a reward for co-operation as for competition. Lastly, about ten or fifteen years back I seem to recall that there was an English space magazine that had an on-going discussion about moonbases on the cheap. I recalled it discussed things like how much heat the human body produced, how much lunar material it'd need for protection from solar flares, etc. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of this magazine. Does this ring a bell to anyone?
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sci.space
Ahem!!! Hrumph!!!! You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners. We will beat you with our hammers. Oooops, don't have any :-) Seriously. There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA revolver. Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver. Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that autoloaders give you, that is. Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment. If you just learn how to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you).
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COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00 for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc. About the only protection available to to do business with someone you trust....someone who has been around for a while. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________
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misc.forsale
I would suggest you take the car to the nearest Chevron dealer, with your own oil and filter. Ask for an oil change. It will cost less than $10. Watch him/her do it. Just from watching someone do a job, you will be able to learn and remember the sequence, and do it right when you do it yourself the next time. Besides, when he/she loosens the drain nut, the next time around it will be easier for you. If it is stuck, use an impact wrench. Not too much force though. Use a new washer each time you put the nut back.....
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rec.autos
The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D.
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rec.motorcycles
I have a UREI 527A 27-band (mono) Equilizer for sale. Anyone who knows this unit knows it's been a recording studio standard for years. It's a pretty straightforward unit, with balanced ins and outs. Power supply caps were recently replaced, and I added XLR connectors (which can be easily removed if you prefer, as I mounted them on a bracket outside the case). The unit is in good shape, and is sonically very clean. I'm asking $225 + UPS shipping. They're going for $250 generally. Make me an offer.
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misc.forsale
good job to whoever posted the article. I'd been saving that NYTimes edition for a while, planning to ytpe it in myself, but now I don't have to. For all of those people who were worried about whether or not the media would even question the raid, we owe it to the NY Times (despite their rabidly anti-gun editorials) for being willing to talk to these 4 BATF agents.
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talk.politics.guns
I recently purchased a Centris 610 and am having difficulty getting my computer to recognize my hard disk drive (external) Using both the disk uitily of TMS (Diskwriter) and Jasmine's software, neither one will show the drive. The drive is the only device connected to the scuzzi port. I cant find the manual to the tms pro 120 and seem to remember that it is "terminated". Is there something else that I am doing (or not doing) that does not allow my 610 to recognize my external disk drive?. thanks in advance for the information.
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag. I take the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn signals. I works fine. You probably will want to attach it with a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.
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rec.motorcycles
Hello, I have three software packages for sale: 1. The Norton pcANYWHERE version 4.5 for dos. This software include host and remote software. It can control both dos and windows 3.1 (both standard and enhanced modes) activities. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 2. The Norton AntiVirus for windows and dos version 2.1. It can update virus information any time. It also support networks. Registration card is enclosed. Price: $40.00 3. DeltaGraph Professional for Windows 3.1. This is the BEST graphics presentation program I have ever seen. Registration card is enclosed. Reg. Price: $495.00 Price: $150.00 Thank you for your attention.
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misc.forsale
Bully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
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talk.politics.guns
The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978 were definitely started by the Arabs. The war in 1982 was instigated by the Arabs who continually murdered Israeli children with their rocket attacks. Israel was only trying to stop this. Last what the heck are you talking about with "1968 (Karama)"? There was no war in 1968! Steve --
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[Excellent discussion of DC-X landing techniques by Henry deleted] The DC-X will not take of horizontally. It takes of vertically. For several reasons. Vertical landings don't require miles of runway and limit noise pollution. They don't require wheels or wings. Just turn on the engines and touch down. Of course, as Henry pointed out, vetical landings aren't quite that simple. Well, to be blunt, yes. But at least you're learning. The Soyuz vehicles use parachutes for the descent and then fire small rockets just before they hit the ground. Parachutes are, however, not especially practical if you want to reuse something without much effort. The landings are also not very comfortable. However, in the words of Georgy Grechko, "I prefer to have bruises, not to sink."
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sci.space
For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere. E-mail me and I'll send it you... Louis
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comp.graphics
So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws? (The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.)
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rec.motorcycles
That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things!
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sci.crypt
Hmmmmmm...I got my comp with windows pre-installed, and stacks is still 9,256. if it was needed only for setup, wouldn't the morons take it off??? (also, I don't have the qemm manual, as verything came with the comp, but not the qemm manual, so could anyone verify this???) Mickey
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
: The Bible says there is a God; if that is true then our atheism is : mistaken. What of it? Seems pretty obvious to me. Socrates said : there were many gods; if that is true then your monotheism (and our : atheism) is mistaken, even if Socrates never existed. Jim, I think you must have come in late. The discussion (on my part at least) began with Benedikt's questioning of the historical acuuracy of the NT. I was making the point that, if the same standards are used to validate secular history that are used here to discredit NT history, then virtually nothing is known of the first century. You seem to be saying that the Bible -cannot- be true because it speaks of the existence of God as it it were a fact. Your objection has nothing to do with history, it is merely another statement of atheism.
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alt.atheism
A good vocoder like ours will give you 8000 bits per second locked at full rate (it's a variable rate voice activity vocoder). If you want less quality, cut that to 4000 bps (half rate). At full rate variable you could put two full-duplex conversations on a V.32bis modem. This requires a DSP or ASICs, though. An RS-6000 has a CPU that could probably do it in real-time, because it has the add-and-multiply instruction and a few other DSP things. If you want to do speech in real-time you need about 4000 samples a second (for not very good voice) with your 8 bit samples (ISDN is 8000 8-bit samples a second), which is 32 kbps. You could do a fast 2:1 compression on that to get it down to 16 kbps, which is just about V.32bis. The quality at this point is very bleah, but it should work. Now add in the time for your encryption method. You're going to need sampling hardware, which is no problem on a new Mac, an Amiga. Or a PC with a SoundBlaster card (just because they're so popular and cheap - you could also build a simple ADC). The problem with the SoundBlaster is that it doesn't seem to be full duplex - you can't sample and play backq at the same time, making a two-way conversation a bit tough. The special hardware or a more capable sound card may be required. The only thing that worries me is that 2:1 compression - the SoundBlaster can do it automatically in hardware, but other than that I don't have a good feel for how processor intensive it is, so I can't estimate how fast a PC you'd need.
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sci.crypt
I've been trying to figure out a way to get Adobe Illustrator to auto-trace >exactly< what I see on my screen. But it misses the edges of templates by as many as 6 pixels or more - resulting in images that are useless - I need exact tracing, not approximate. I've tried adjusting the freehand tolerances as well as autotrace tolerances but it doesn't help. Any suggestions?
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comp.graphics
[ Much deletion. He is trying to explain the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary.] If this is true than why in the Genesis story is God concerned that Adam and Eve might also eat from the Tree of Life and live forever and be like gods? Eating of the tree of life would not take away the effects of eating of the Tree of Knowledge. Is there any reason to assume that they had already eaten of the Tree of Life and so had already attained to eternal life? If so, what basis is there for saying that this was taken away from them? To me the wages of sin are a spiritual death, not necessarily a physical death. I can attest to the truth of this interpretation from my own experience. I suspect that many others could attest to this as well. Peace Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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misc.forsale
I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance.
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soc.religion.christian
I have a Tektronix T921 15Mhz scope for sale. It is a nice, simple unit to learn on. I used it while I was in school. If you want one to play with at home, this is easy and inexpensive. It has a nice handle and is quite lightweight and easy to move around. I will consider selling the probes seperately for $25 ea. They are HP 10017A probes suitable for this type of scope. The probes are NOT included in the price of $99 for the scope. If you need more technical info, you will have to come look at it, as I am not a scope expert and what I have said is all I know.
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misc.forsale
Bzzzt. The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS. I personally, and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than- average rider aboard. He said it took two fingers on that measely single front disk to accomplish the task. How much more brake do you need? I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't had a problem with the 750SS being too slow. The limited steering lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it. The mirrors are very good, IMHO. Someone forgot to tell their designer about the "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy. Hmmmm. I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig. Did I miss something? Beth
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rec.motorcycles
Hi, I was looking for some helpful advice. I'm a university student with about $7000 to spend, and I'm looking for a used car. Does anyone have any useful advice they could offer to a first- time buyer? I'm not looking for anything sporty, just something functional and reliable (less maintenance costs). Anybody have any ideas on what models might suit me? Thanks
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rec.sport.baseball
From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Zionism - racism Diaspora 'a cancer' ------------------- by Julian Kossoff and Lindsay Schusman in: Jewish Chronicle, London, 22. Dec. 1989 Leading Israeli author and cultural commentator, A.B. Yehoshua, launched a ferocious attack on diaspora Jewry at a Zionist Youth Council meeting in North London, last week. The diaspora, he claimed, "was the cancer connected to the main tissue of the Jewish people". He was scathing about its failure to act before the Holocaust. He said the diaspora's religious and secular leadership had ignored the warning signs in the 1920s, and had fiercely opposed Zionism. Consequently, he considered the Holocaust, "the failure of Judaism". His talk, entitled "Diaspora: A Neurotic Solution", covered 5,000 years of Jewish history. Mr. Yehoshua's other targets included Soviet Jews who were, he said "not staying [in Israel], but running [away]", and all Jews outside Israel "who were using other people's countries like hotels". The only conclusion he could draw was that the diaspora was immoral, because it looked to Israel for its identity but lived elsewhere. Worse, it threatened Israel itself, creating a distraction for her citizens, who were leaving by the thousands. Mr. Yehoshua, who described himself as "a soldier for aliyah", ended by calling for the creation of a new "total Jew", living in Israel. Earlier, speaking at a meeting of Jewish students on the difficulties of forging a national identity in Israeli literature, Mr. Yehoshua claimed that Israeli writers were paralyzed by the country's political situation. He said Israel's wars had once provided writers with a vital source of inspiration. Today, Israeli writers avoided writing directly about the Arab-Israeli conflict. No major work had been produced about the intifada. Instead, writers were tackling themes such as Jewish identity, emigration from Israel and personal and family issues. Mr. Yehoshua admitted he also felt unable to write about the Israeli political situation. He could no longer step into an Israeli Arab's shoes and portray him as a real "flesh and blood character". He claimed that after 40 years of statehood, the problem of Israeli identity had not been solved. He said Jews remained too pre-occupied with the borders of identity between Jew and non-Jew, and were not concerned with the nature of that identity. Jewish values in Israel embraced every aspect of daily life, unlike in the diaspora, where Jews had no responsibility for the country they lived in, he said. He warned that modern Hebrew, a unifying force for the Jewish people, would have to struggle for its future, especially in literary circles. It faced fierce competition from the English language.
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From: "Phil G. Fraering" <pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu> Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may freely blare its presence in the evening twilight ..
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sci.space
Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware: 19-Apr-93 AMD i486 clones: Now legal .. by poe@wharton.upenn.edu It's true. I read about it from an article in ClariNet (can't send it here though). U.S. District Court Judge William A. Ingram, of San Francisco, threw out the jury verdict prohibiting AMD from using Intels' microcode for the 486.
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)
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rec.motorcycles
Pardon me? "Greece Government Rail-Roads Two Turkish Ethnic Deputies" While World Human Rights Organizations Scream, Greeks Persistently Work on Removing the Parliamentary Immunity of Dr. Sadik Ahmet and Mr. Ahmet Faikoglu. Dr. Sadik Ahmet, Turkish Ethnic Member of Greek Parliament, Visits US Washington DC, July 7- Doctor Sadik Ahmet, one of the two ethnic Turkish members of the Greek parliament visited US on june 24 through July 5th and held meetings with human rights organizations and high-level US officials in Washington DC and New York. At his press conference at the National Press Club in Washington DC, Sadik Ahmet explained the plight of ethnic Turks in Greece and stated six demands from Greek government. Ahmet said "our only hope in Greece is the pressure generated from Western capitals for insisting that Greece respects the human rights. What we are having done to ethnic Turks in Greece is exactly the same as South African Apartheid." He added: "What we are facing is pure Greek hatred and racial discrimination." Spelling out the demands of the Turkish ethnic community in Greece he said "We want the restoration of Greek citizenship of 544 ethnic Turks. Their citizenship was revoked by using the excuse that this people have stayed out of Greece for too long. They are Greek citizens and are residing in Greece, even one of them is actively serving in the Greek army. Besides, other non-Turkish citizens of Greece are not subject to this kind of interpretation at an extent that many of Greek-Americans have Greek citizenship and they permanently live in the United States." "We want guarantee for Turkish minority's equal rights. We want Greek government to accept the Turkish minority and grant us our civil rights. Our people are waiting since 25 years to get driving licenses. The Greek government is not granting building permits to Turks for renovating our buildings or building new ones. If your name is Turkish, you are not hired to the government offices." "Furthermore, we want Greek government to give us equal opportunity in business. They do not grant licenses so we can participate in the economic life of Greece. In my case, they denied me a medical license necessary for practicing surgery in Greek hospitals despite the fact that I have finished a Greek medical school and followed all the necessary steps in my career." "We want freedom of expression for ethnic Turks. We are not allowed to call ourselves Turks. I myself have been subject of a number of law suits and even have been imprisoned just because I called myself a Turk." "We also want Greek government to provide freedom of religion." In separate interview with The Turkish Times, Dr. Sadik Ahmet stated that the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable and in the eyes of Greek laws, ethnic Greeks are more equal than ethnic Turks. As an example, he said there are about 20,000 telephone subscribers in Selanik (Thessaloniki) and only about 800 of them are Turks. That is not because Turks do not want to have telephone services at their home and businesses. He said that Greek government changed the election law just to keep him out of the parliament as an independent representative and they stated this fact openly to him. While there is no minimum qualification requirement for parties in terms of receiving at least 3% of the votes, they imposed this requirement for the independent parties, including the Turkish candidates. Ahmet was born in a small village at Gumulcine (Komotini), Greece 1947. He earned his medical degree at University of Thessaloniki in 1974. he served in the Greek military as an infantryman. In 1985 he got involved with community affairs for the first time by collecting 15,000 signatures to protest the unjust implementation of laws against ethnic Turks. In 1986, he was arrested by the police for collecting signatures. Serdar Argic
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The kit is for an already existing Laserwriter IINTX. It is a ROM upgrade that replaces the font rasterizer code with the more efficient, speedier code that first became available in Adobe Type Manager 1.0. That software came out after the original NTXes and the so-called ATM rasterizer is now standard on Postscript printers.
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
Hi again! Okay, am getting an old AT type together as well. Anyone have a 16 bit MFM HDC they'd like to sell? WD is preferred, but Adaptec and DTK are fine too......for that matter, almost anything so long as it works!
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
If given a definite definition of "God", it is sometimes possible to falsify the existance of that God. But, when one refuses to give an immutable definition, one can not. --- " Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "
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: My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was : wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to : construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seeing : the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good : electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were. : Thank you in advance. : Dean W. Anneser Pratt & Whitney Aircraft : Computer System Specialist m.s. 161-05 \__ -\ : (203)565-9372 (desk) 5016 (fax) 400 Main St. Ooo.. (_)-V/( ) : Uucp: uunet!pwa-b!anneser East Hartford, CT 06108 Live to Ride : Internet: anneser@pwfire.pweh.utc.com : "One test result is worth one thousand expert opinions" -- Wernher Von Braun : -- : Dean W. Anneser Pratt & Whitney Aircraft : Computer System Specialist m.s. 161-05 \__ -\ : (203)565-9372 (desk) 5016 (fax) 400 Main St. Ooo.. (_)-V/( ) : Uucp: uunet!pwa-b!anneser East Hartford, CT 06108 Live to Ride -- The simplest one is easy. Take a lemon or other citrus type fruit, and stick a pair of metal strips into it for the contacts. The two strips must be of disimelar metals like copper and zinc. Then connect a voltmeter to the contacts and read the voltage. bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance), Bothell, WA rwing!xpresso!bill
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sci.electronics
After I have produced a schematic with PADS-LOGIC, how do I import it into PADS-PCB to create a PCB pattern? The only way I've gotten it to work is to output a FutureNet netlist, and then import this into PADS-PCB. Is there another way of doing this? I didn't see any information in the instructions provided, but I might have missed something. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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sci.electronics
There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit (Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes), and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I found in a rental store once
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rec.motorcycles
Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Based on my experience with a '79 FJ40 ( the hard-top jeep-style model ) I would definitely give a new model consideration if I were in the market. The older models are VERY well built. Unless Toyota lost its mind, I would assume, until proven otherwise, that the newer models have inherited some if not all of the qualities of their ancestors. Two major differences in the running gear (that I'm aware of) need study. My '79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have independant front suspension. The solid axle is theoretically stronger and more reliable than the newer model, but only experience will tell. The independant front suspension is, no doubt, a compromise made to satisfy the typical user, who will never need a real utility vehicle. The second difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models. I'm not sure, but I think Tioyota went to a full-time 4WD or all-wheel drive system. The older Landcruisers have a "lock-up" type. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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rec.autos
I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica)
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
This brings up an interesting subject that has not been discussed much, and probably has not been studied much. As some of you may be aware, I've posted a lot of articles lately on personality typing (of which the MBTI is a test vehicle). To come up to speed, just read 'alt.psychology.personality' and/or ask for by personality type summary file. One observation is that people have significantly different personalities (no question on this) which seem to be essentially in-born. With respect to church attendance and participation, some people thrive on this, while other people have real difficulty with this because they prefer a more solitary and contemplative lifestyle - that is, they are de-energized if confronted with excessive closeness to outside activities and lots of people. Of course this is measured by extroversion/introversion. My impression is that many churches are totally blind to this fact, and create environments that 'scare away' many who are naturally introverted (there are many introverted characters in the Bible, btw). I know, I am quite introverted in preference, and find the 'pressure' by many churches to participate, to meet together in large groups, etc., to be very uncomfortable. Knowing what I know now, these churches have been overly influenced by highly extroverted people who thrive on this sort of thing. (BTW, there's nothing wrong with either extroversion or introversion, both preferences have their place in the Body). Maybe I should define extrovert/introvert more carefully since these words are usually not used correctly in our culture. The extrovert/introvert scale is a measure of how a person is energized. The following is excerpted from my summary: 1. Energizing - How a person is energized: Extroversion (E)- Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people, activities or things. Introversion (I)- Preference for drawing energy from one's internal world of ideas, emotions, or impressions. Hopefully this will elicit further discussion as to how churches can structure themselves to meet the real needs of the people who comprise the Body of Christ, instead of trying to change people's personalities to fit them into a particular framework. I'm sure there are other aspects of how churches have not properly understood personality variances among their members to the detriment of all. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.
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soc.religion.christian
Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available. Or, could anyone point me in the right direction? Any help would be appreciated.
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Inguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su
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misc.forsale
It depends on the algorithm used. 128-bit secret keys for RSA are definitively not secure enough. Regards, Vesselin
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sci.crypt
But you haven't taken into the account of propoganda. Remember, if you asked Germans before WWII if the Jews shoudl be slaughtered, they would probably answer no, but, after the propoganda machine rolled through, at least some were able to tolerate it. You see, it only takes a small group of fanatics to whip up a general frenzy. Well, they haven't managed to outlaw abortion due to the possible objectivity of the courts. But, they have managed to create quite a few problems for people that wanted to have an abortion. They could create similar problems for us. And, it could be worse. They can try to stop abortions by blocking clinics, etc., but imagine what they'd have to do to stop atheism. So, you are able to convince them individually, but could you convince a whole room of them? A whole nation? Yes, I'd be glad if it were gone to. I've never supported it. However, I think that it is a minor problem that can be easily ignored, contrasted with what *could* happen (an what may be likely). Well, I am not clear on the religious convictions of Francis Scott Key (the motto can be attributed to him), but it is at least clear that he believed in a god. And, surely there are a few Christians that think as you say, but I don't think that most do. Do you think that all Christians actively despise other religions? Most that I have met haven't and don't do so. Well, I have asked a Hindu, Moselem, and a few Jews, and all of them think that it is applicable to them. Of course, I can't say that these people (just some that I know pretty well) are accurate representations of their faiths. Well, I'd really like to, and I've tried, but I really don't know where to get access to _Congressional Records_ from the 1950's. Can anyone help out here? Only in the sense that neither can probably convinced to change their beliefs. So, are you saying that they redesign the plates each year? Anyway, your whole argument (conveniently deleted I see) was that the motto somehow costs us all a lot of money. This is just not correct. That is to say, the religion of this country, and the non-religion of the USSR. That was what most of those quotes were about, and some included all atheists, in general, as well. I don't think that any of the quotes (although I seem to have lost them) mentioned anything at all about Jesus. They advocated religion over non-religion. A specific religion was not mentioned. So, you are saying that all Christians must believe that all other religions should be outlawed, just because they think they are wrong? That's silly. I think the Flat-Earthers are wrong, but I don't advocate their banishment. I think that any such cost would be insignificant. I mentioned the slight cost because you said that the motto was costing us a lot of money by being on our currency. Well, mottos in general don't really have purposes... I don't think it should be removed because I think the benefit would be outweighed by the consequences. Then you should be concerned with the opinion of the entire congress. Why not? It is the majority that put it there. But do they remember the debate surrounding the motto? Do they remember that some people intended it to be a message against atheists? Why don't you include this in your little survey that you were conducting? [...] What? Should I ask some scientists the probability that something Einstein said about relativity is worthy? I mean, if Einstein said it, there's a good chance that it was right (at least at the time). You need not agree with them all of the time, but you would certainly think that their decisions would be good evidence in favor of some point. No, I think that it would be clearly inappropriate for a Supreme Court Justice to testify before Congress during the consideration of a Constitutional Amendment. And, in order for the Court to rule on something, a case usually must be presented. Yes, some mushrooms can be planted. And, I don't appreciate mushrooms on my pizza, either. Who was forced to put the motto there? What do you mean?
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alt.atheism
I've already corrected my mistake earlier in this thread. I saw a brief news report which led to the above inaccuracy. I have since seen detailed summaries that show the tanks returned in the late morning. So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? Why didn't they release the children weeks ago?
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talk.politics.guns
Hello, I thought this problem might have something to do with Windows 3.1 SMARTDRV and a VESA video card...any ideas??? I recently purchased a 486DX-33 machine and am having problems where the machine will suddenly freeze or reboot. This may happen in Windows 3.1 or DOS 5.0. Sometimes it is after printing a document, sometimes after using the mouse, and sometimes just when I am sitting there. Twice when it happened, the machine rebooted and sounded seven beeps. I looked in the documentation and the seven beep code meant a problem with interrupts. The machine has the following configuration and files: 486DX-33 AMI BIOS 5.25 and 3.5 floppies 170 Meg IDE hard drive 256k cache Microsoft compatible mouse on com1 Citizen GSX-145 on lpt1 NI SuperVGA Monitor with VESA Windows Accelerator Card w/ 1Meg Two VESA slots Windows 3.1 DOS 5.0 CONFIG.SYS ========== DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DOS=HIGH DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE FILES=20 BUFFERS=20 STACKS=9,128 AUTOEXEC.BAT ============ @ECHO OFF LH C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 1024 PROMPT $p$g PATH C:\DOS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\MOUSE LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE SET TEMP=C:\DOS LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY When the machine freezes, I can't use the mouse or keyboard or use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot. If any one can give me any help, I would greatly appreciate it. If anyone can help configure this machine for the best efficiency (memory wise) I would appreciate that also. -- Douglas B. Dodson Internet: DBD@ICF.HRB.COM HRB Systems, Inc. State College, PA USA 16804
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I am looking for a company that can make custom keys. For instance we need a key that says HELP, MAIN MENU, etc which we are going to use instead of F1,F2, F3 etc... Can anyone point me to a company that does this. Also do you have to have a special keyboard, or can I just pop off the old keys and pop in the new ones...
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
I read it refered to as the "parabolic cross-section" rule; the idea was that if you plot the area of the fuselage cross- section as a function of the point fore-and-aft along the fuselage, a plot that is a **paraboloid** minimizes somethin' or 'nother (to be technical about it).
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sci.space
Bob is indeed correct here in more than one way. A look in the old RCA picture tube manual backs this up, as does SAMS Reference Data handbook. The internal coating around the perimeter of the CRT (not the aluminum or tin CRT face coating) is referred to as a "dag" as well as the outer coating. Thankfully, I didn't need to go to a f****** library to find it, either. One sparkling water for Mr. Vanderbyl (no caffeine in that, is there). -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******
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sci.electronics
It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the escrow houses. Do the police normally reveal every tap they do even if no charges are laid? In many ways, it would be a positive step if they had to. Judges set time limits on warrants, I assume. At the end of the time limit they should have to renew or replace your chip. That's if we go with this scheme, which I am not sure I agree with.
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sci.crypt
You're getting warmer. The 'little thing in the trigger' has to be depressed before the trigger can move. What this means is the damned thing won't go off until the trigger is pulled. This makes it just about (there HAVE been some problems, but we're assuming the gun is functioning correctly..) as safe as a revolver. The gun when working correctly is totally drop safe. Now, in police work this is a consideration. There is not a single documented case I'm aware of where a police officer was killed because he failed to operate the safety on his firearm. There are quite a few documented cases where criminals got hold of the cops gun and couldn't figure out how to get the safety off in time to use the gun, thus the proprietary nature of the safety (to the criminal at least) very likely prevented the office from getting shot. The purpose of a safety is to make the gun safe from unintentional fire. This does not mean it should be so complicated as to slow down intentional use! Thus the Glock safety is perfectly adequate from a 'safety' standpoint, but not necessarily the most desirable from the standpoint of open carry where it is easily grabbed by somebody else. By this criteria it DOES make a lot of sense as a concealed carry piece. From the standpoint of police use, it is no better (or worse) than a revolver as far as being 'proprietary' to the officer in the method of firing it. The ideal solution may someday be biometric sensing of the user so that the firearm can't be used by anybody but it's owner, but for now the wide variety of safety systems helps, unless the criminal happens to be familiar with that particular type of firearm.
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talk.politics.guns
It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were published, one could then build physically identical clone versions of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. Or is there a technical hack that I've missed? E.g. how about if the chips were made unprogrammed but serialized, and then shipped to the two escrow houses who programmed in their halves of the keys, but in a way that requires that secret keys known only to the escrow houses be installed as well, without which clone versions wouldn't interoperate? This is getting awfully complicated, but that's crypto for you.
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sci.crypt
The real problem w/ the Stealth from what I've heard is that Diamond won't tell anyone how to program their proprietary clock stuff, so X under Linux and 386BSD won't run....
1
comp.graphics
brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton): }And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost }impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean }that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the }general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular }implementation known as RSA. Hmm, my first thought was that they're using Diffie-Hellman exponential session key exchange, or an equivalent. However, the Diffie-Hellman patent, like the Hellman-Merkle one on public key systems, claims all equivalents, so the basic point stands. Interestingly, a quote from Jim Bidzos showed up in the media real soon after the announcement, and he sounded very pissed. Maybe he hadn't yet realized that PKP might have just struck gold? All they have to do is get someone to admit the general scheme that the Clipper uses. --- Jef
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sci.crypt
The term arrhythmia is usually used to encompass a wide range of abnormal heart rhythms (cardiac dysrhythmias). Some of them are very serious while others are completely benign. Having "a few irregular beats" on an EKG could be serious depending on what those beats were and when they occurred, or could be of no significance. Low blood potassium levels probably predispose people with underlying heart disease to develop arrhythmias. Very low potassium levels are clearly dangerous, but it is not clear how much of a problem low-end-of-normal levels are: a lot of cardiologists seem to treat anyone with even a mildly low-normal potassium level.
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sci.med
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sci.med
The tribe will be in town from April 16 to the 19th. There are ALWAYS tickets available! (Though they are playing Toronto, and many Toronto fans make the trip to Cleveland as it is easier to get tickets in Cleveland than in Toronto. Either way, I seriously doubt they will sell out until the end of the season.)
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rec.sport.baseball
Could be. There is a Jayson Stark that writes weekly for some press syndicate and also for Baseball America. Stark has done this sort of thing, but he has never been serious about it. He usually states that this sort of projection is useless at the top of such columns. I think he did it one season and some manager was "projected" to be thrown out of 60 games and some hitter could expect to be plunked 150 times. Stark does some really funny stuff. His weekly baseball reviews are good collections of strange things that happened during the previous week. He also regularly prints Kinerisms.
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rec.sport.baseball
-*---- Ming-zhou Liu's main problem is that he has an incompetent physician -- himself. This physician has diagnosed a problem, even though he probably has never seen the diagnosed disease before and has no idea of what kinds of problems can present similar symptoms. This physician now wants to treat his first case of this disease without any help from the medical community. The best thing Ming-zhou Liu could do is fire his current physician and seek out a better one.
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sci.med
Not just because of the riflemen. They also have many hard bunkers in the mountains that would be nearly impossible to penetrate. As for tanks, they would be rather useless in such mountainous terrain. Gee, that's a new one. He thought it was a different ethnic group. Since Hitler was determined to control, at the least, all of Europe, do you think he gave a damn about international monetary concerns? Also, there's a LOT of gold in Swiss vaults. Don't you think he new that? If he could have, he would have taken Switzerland. However, crazy as he was, he wasn't totally stupid. It would have cost him a hell of a lot to take Switzerland, with no guarantee that an invasion would be successful. He probably figured (or his generals did, when he was listening to them) that it wasn't worth the cost.
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talk.politics.guns
Pentium processors / motherboards are not available to the general public as of yet. Intel has released them to companies such as Gateway and Dell to do testing, etc. It'll be a while...
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
But good ones can collapse somewhat, then come back the next year. Burleigh Grimes went from 20+ wins and an ERA of 3 or so in '24 to 13-19 and an ERA around 4 in '25. He pitched well for several more years. Carlton won 13 and lost 20 the year after his 27-10 record. (Source: Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract.) And let's not forget John Tudor, who started 1-5 and finished 21-6 in 1985. He had a pretty bad ERA when you take Busch Stadium into account at the start of the season. If I recall, he had a 4.50 ERA in the 1st half and a 3.50 ERA in the 2nd half of last year. Hmmm, 21 runs in 11 innings. Suppose he starts 30 more games, and winds up w/200 innings pitched. If he allows 4 runs a game in the next 189 innings, he'll have a 4.75 ERA or so at the end of the year. (I think I have his totals right.) This is going to be hard to come back from. My 1st hunch is that Morris is very gutsy, and that he may be pitching through an injury and not telling anyone. My 2nd guess is that he will be banished to the bullpen the remainder of the season after a few more starts. (Perhaps when Stewart comes off the DL? Or will Danny Cox, who went 3 or 4 scoreless innings against the Tribe today, start for Morris? He looks like a really good one. Gaston is scrambling to find starters, I'd imagine. Luckily, the Jays have a very good offense.) I don't think they would dare release him before the end of the year. He'll just be replaced by Stewart or Cox.
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rec.sport.baseball
It would also be great for another reason - when not docked, it could serve as an ARA server to the large internal HD, your corporate email, etc. In a pinch, you would also have two machines, instead of 1.5. If they could couple that thought with RocketShare, and let you use both the '030 on the PB and the '040 on the dock, it would be a mighty powerful dock. --
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
First of all as far as I know, only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles, so you're off the hook there, I think. In any event, there are *plenty* of people in many denominations who do not consider a person's sexual identification of gay/lesbian/bisexual as an "immoral lifestyle choice" This is another misconception. You are not being told the whole story. My former minister is a lesbian, and I know personally and professionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers. I am a Unitarian-Universalist and like most others in my denomination, am pro-choice. You needn't go looking to the Unitarian Universalists (which is a liberal religion) for acceptance of your sexual identification and pro-choice views, however; there are many of us who believe in spirituality AND freedom of conscience. Good Luck on your journey!
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talk.religion.misc