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Hey puppy, you are getting further around the bend every day. But
I wouldn't miss your adolescent ravings for the world, everyone
needs a good laugh now and then. :-)
| 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Off the top of my head, I might try:
Given: p_1, p_2, p_3, p_4
Find: p_c (center of sphere determined by p_1, ..., p_4),
dist(p_c, p_i) (radius)
p_c is the same distance from our four points, so
dist(p_c,p_1) = dist(p_c,p_2) = dist(p_c,p_3) = dist(p_c,p_4)
Of course, we can square the whole thing to get rid of square roots:
distsq(p_c,p_1) = distsq(p_c,p_2) = distsq(p_c,p_3) = distsq(p_c,p_4)
Plug in the variables into the distance formula, simplify, and the
x^2_c, y^2_c, and z^2_c terms cancel out, leaving you with three
linearly independent equations and three unknowns (x_c, y_c, z_c).
Solve using your favorite method. :)
All the best,
- John :)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. John S. Eickemeyer :: "The Lord God is subtle,
Information Technology Institute :::: but malicious He is not."
National Computer Board, Singapore ::
Email: johne@iti.gov.sg :: - Albert Einstein | 1 | comp.graphics |
responds to a lot of grief given to him
a.k.a. "The Sagemaster"
[ . . .]
Most of Scotty's followup *was* irrelevant to the original question,
but this is not unusual, as threads often quickly evolve away from
the original topic. What I could not understand is why Jim spent so
much time responding to what he regarded as irrelevancies.
[ . . . ]
[ . . . ]
Well, I guess hypothetical Adam was "the majority of mankind"
seeing how he was the ONLY man at the time.
I understand what you mean by "collective," but I think it is an
insane perversion of justice. What sort of judge would punish the
descendants for a crime committed by their ancestor?
Well, I must admit that you probably read a.a. more often than I read
the Bible these days. But you missed a couple of good followups to
your post. I'm sending you a personal copy of my followup which I
hope you will respond to publically in a.a. | 0 | alt.atheism |
I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone
will correct me if I'm wrong.)
RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You
can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:
The team that scores more runs wins the game!
---------------------------------------------
Flame Away
-- John Bratt
| 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
A person posted certain stuff to this newsgroup, which were highly
selected quotes stripped of their context. Here is the complete
posting which was quoted (lacking the context of other postings in
which it was made):
Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and
re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless
cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.
What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded
goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's
favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-
check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling
VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?
Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes,
but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes
which are the units of genetics.
We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful
memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will
run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that
future technology has to offer.
For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions
against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at
CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid
Mary. | 13 | sci.med |
Greetings baseballers,
I have a choice of two more or less identical conferences to
attend, one in
Denver, and one in Dallas, both May 24-28. Could some kind Rockies
or Rangers
(they DO play in the Dallas area, right?) fans please let me know if
there
are home dates for that week. I'd love to catch a game. | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
As far as I know ISDN (call it Swissnet here, and it's being plugged in) it's
8 bit 8000Hz (gives you one channel of 64kBit/sec) I guess you should not go
below a sampling rate of 6000 Hz if you want to have same quality as on an
analog-line. Anybody knows compression-algorithms & -factors for voice ?
Greetings,
Germano Caronni | 11 | sci.crypt |
Hi!...
I am searching for packages that could handle Multi-page GIF
files...
Are there any on some ftp servers?
I'll appreciate one which works on PC (either on DOS or Windows 3.0/3.1).
But any package works on Unix will be OK.. | 1 | comp.graphics |
7 | rec.autos |
|
What are you stupid? | 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
Since the losers that sold me the hard disk for my computer are
so generous, I need the info to set this drive from master to
slave. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via e-mail.
Incidentally, avoid purchasing a computer from ACS in Endicott, NY.
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
You probably need an X server running on top of MS DOS. I use Desqview/X
but any MS-DOS X server should do.
-- | 1 | comp.graphics |
And at least 500% more user unfriendly as well!
| 5 | comp.windows.x |
It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out-
accelerate an Integra.
But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have
a moonroof with a sliding sunshade? No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power
sliding roofs that are opaque. A moonroof that can be opened to the air,
closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in.
You've just got to know what's important :^). | 7 | rec.autos |
Hi world,
I want to buy a Spirit II 14400 Data/Fax modem (made in U.S.A.).
Have anyone heard about it or using it? What is it's performance? Is it
stable or not? Please give me some advice.
In addition, I heard a news from local distributor that a new
28800baud CCITT ROM (the distributor said it will be the new CCITT
standard.) for this modem will be produced at the end of this
year. After replaced the old ROM by this 28800 ROM, this Spirit II can
transfer data at 28800baud without any hardware alternation. Is this
new true and possible? Would the telephone line really able to transfer
at such high speed? Please give me some advice.
At last, can anyone tell me how to contact with the central
dealer QuickComm. Inc.? (I am not sure whether it in U.S.A. or not.)
Please leave me a e-mail.
Thank you very much. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I can see high-voltage type display devices being vulnerable (CRTs,
plasma displays, etc.) But Jason beat me to this question. What
about EM radiation from low-voltage items like LCD displays? | 11 | sci.crypt |
We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the
International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also
some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of
groups. Sorry for the cross posting.
Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines
(See the diff marks at the right hand edge). The rules and guidelines
for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are
in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry
about these changes.
chongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com
Larry Bassel lab@sun.com
=-=
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X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Rules
X
XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is
Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety
Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing
Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X
X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure.
X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: his emotions obfuscated his
X judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) +
X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n.
X obfuscatory adj.
X
X
XGOALS OF THE CONTEST:
X
X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.
X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.
X * To stress C compilers with unusual code.
X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.
X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-)
X
X
XNOTE: Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> |
X
X
XRULES:
X
X To help us with the volume of entries, we ask that you follow these rules:
X
X 1) Your entry must be a complete program.
X
X 2) Your entry must be <= 3217 bytes in length. The number of characters
X excluding whitespace (tab, space, newline), and excluding any ; { or }
X followed by either whitespace or end of file, must be <= 1536.
X
X 3) Your entry must be submitted in the following format:
X
X---entry---
Xrule: 1993
Xfix: y or n (n => this is a new entry, y => this replaces an older entry)
Xtitle: title of entry (see comments below)
Xentry: Entry number from 0 to 7 inclusive (your 1st entry should by 0)
Xdate: Date/time of submission in UTC (see comments below)
Xhost: Machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested
X Use tab indented lines if needed
X---remark---
X Place remarks about this entry in this section. It would be helpful if
X you were to indent your remarks with 4 spaces, though it is not a
X requirement. Also, if possible, try to avoid going beyond the 79th
X column. Blank lines are permitted.
X---author---
Xname: your name
Xorg: School/Company/Organization
Xaddr: postal address
X use tab indented lines to continue
X don't forget to include the country
Xemail: Email address from a well known site or registered domain.
X If you give several forms, list them on separate tab indented lines.
Xanon: y or n (y => remain anonymous, n => ok to publish this info)
X---info---
XIf your program needs an info file, place a uuencoded copy of it in
Xthis section. In the case of multiple info files, use multiple info
Xsections. If your entry does not need a info file, skip this section.
X---build---
XPlace a uuencoded copy of the command(s) used to compile/build your program
Xin this section. It must uudecode into a file named 'build'. The resulting
Xfile must be 255 bytes or less.
X---program---
XPlace a uuencoded copy of your program in this section. It must uudecode
Xinto a file named is 'prog.c'. The resulting file must follow rule #2.
X---end---
X
X Regarding the above format:
X
X * The title must match the expression: [a-zA-Z0-9_=][a-zA-Z0-9_=+-]*
X and must be 1 to 12 characters in length.
X
X It is suggested, but not required, that the title should
X incorporate your username; in the case of multiple authors,
X consider using parts of the usernames of the authors.
X
X * The date in the ---entry--- section should be given with respect
X to UTC. The format of the date should be as returned by asctime()
X using the C locale. (see guidelines for more info)
X
X * You may correct/revise a previously submitted entry by sending
X it to the contest email address. Be sure to set 'fix' in the
X ---entry--- section to 'n'. The corrected entry must use the same
X title and entry number as submittion that is being corrected. Be
X sure that you note the resubmittion in the ---remark--- as well.
X
X * With the exception of the header, all text outside of the above
X format may be ignored by the judges. If you need tell the judges
X something, put it in the ---remark--- section, or send a separate
X Email message to the judges.
X
X * Information from the ---author--- section will be published unless
X 'y' was given to the respective author's 'anon' line.
X
X * To credit multiple authors, include an ---author--- section for
X each author. Each should start with ---author--- line, and
X should be found between the ---entry--- and ---build--- sections.
X
X * The entry's remarks should include:
X - what this program does
X - how to run the program (sample args or input)
X - special compile or execution instructions, if any
X - special filename requirements (see rule 4 and 5)
X - information about any ---data--- files
X - why you think the program is obfuscated
X - note if this entry is a re-submission of a previous entry.
X - any other remarks (humorous or otherwise)
X
X * Do not rot13 your entry's remarks. You may suggest that certain
X portions of your remarks be rot13ed if your entry wins an award.
X
X * Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. They
X should not be required to exist.
X
X If your entry does not need an info file, skip the ---info---
X section. If your entry needs multiple info files, use multiple
X ---info--- sections, one per info file. You should describe
X each info file in the ---remark--- section.
X
X 4) If your entry is selected as a winner, it will be modified as follows:
X
X 'build' is incorporated into a makefile, and 'build' is removed
X 'prog.c' is renamed to your entry's title, followed by an optional
X digit, followed by '.c'
X your entry is compiled into a file with the name of your entry's
X title, possibly followed by a digit
X
X If your entry requires that a build file exist, state so in your
X entry's remark section. The makefile will be arranged to execute a
X build shell script containing the 'build' information. The name of
X this build shell script will be your entry's title, possibly followed
X by a digit, followed by '.sh'.
X
X If needed, your entry's remarks should indicate how your entry must
X be changed in order to deal with the new filenames.
X
X 5) The build file, the source and the resulting executable should be
X treated as read-only files. If your entry needs to modify these files,
X it should make and modify a copy of the appropriate file. If this
X occurs, state so in your entry's remarks.
X
X 6) Entries that cannot be compiled by an ANSI C compiler will be rejected.
X Use of common C (K&R + extensions) is permitted, as long as it does not
X cause compile errors for ANSI C compilers.
X
X 7) The program must be of original work. All programs must be in the
X public domain. All copyrighted programs will be rejected.
X
X 8) Entries must be received prior to 07-May-93 0:00 UTC. (UTC is
X essentially equivalent to Greenwich Mean Time) Email your entries to:
X
X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate
X obfuscate@toad.com
X
X We request that your message use the subject 'ioccc entry'.
X
X If possible, we request that you hold off on Emailing your entries
X until 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. Early entries will be accepted, however.
X We will attempt to email a confirmation to the the first author for
X all entries received after 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC.
X
X 9) Each person may submit up to 8 entries per contest year. Each entry
X must be sent in a separate Email letter.
X
X 10) Entries requiring human interaction to be built are not allowed.
X Compiling an entry produce a file (or files) which may be executed.
X
X 11) Programs that require special privileges (setuid, setgid, super-user,
X special owner or group) are not allowed.
X
X
XFOR MORE INFORMATION:
X
X The Judging will be done by Landon Noll and Larry Bassel. Please send
X questions or comments about the contest, to:
X
X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for |
X judges@toad.com submitting entries) |
X
X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to
X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines
X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address |
X above and use the subject 'send rules'. |
X
X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: |
X
X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) |
X user: anonymous
X pass: yourname@yourhost
X dir: ~/pub/ioccc |
X
X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email |
X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', |
X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. |
X
X
Xchongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com |
XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com |
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# ============= guidelines ==============
echo "x - extracting guidelines (Text)"
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X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Guidelines, Hints and Comments
X
XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.
XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is
Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety
Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing
Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.
X
XABOUT THIS FILE:
X
X This file is intended to help people who wish to submit entries to
X the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC for short).
X
X This is not the IOCCC rules, though it does contain comments about
X them. The guidelines should be viewed as hints and suggestions.
X Entries that violate the guidelines but remain within the rules are
X allowed. Even so, you are safer if you remain within the guidelines.
X
X You should read the current IOCCC rules, prior to submitting entries.
X The rules are typically sent out with these guidelines.
X
X Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> |
X
X
XWHAT IS NEW IN 1993:
X
X The entry format is better (for us anyway). The program mkentry.c
X has been updated. See ENTRY FORMAT.
X
X We will reject entries that cannot be compiled using an ANSI C
X compiler. Certain old Obfuscation hacks that cause ANSI C compilers
X fits are no longer permitted. Some of the new issues deal with
X non-integral array types, variable number of arguments, C preprocessor
X directives and the exit() function. See OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES.
X
X
XHINTS AND SUGGESTIONS:
X
X You are encouraged to examine the winners of previous contests. See
X FOR MORE INFORMATION for details on how to get previous winners.
X
X Keep in mind that rules change from year to year, so some winning entries
X may not be valid entries this year. What was unique and novel one year
X might be 'old' the next year.
X
X An entry is usually examined in a number of ways. We typically apply
X a number of tests to an entry:
X
X * look at the original source
X * convert ANSI tri-graphs to ASCII
X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#include' lines
X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#define' and '#include' lines
X * run it through a C beautifier
X * examine the algorithm
X * lint it
X * compile it
X * execute it
X
X You should consider how your entry looks in each of the above tests.
X You should ask yourself if your entry remains obscure after it has been
X 'cleaned up' by the C pre-processor and a C beautifier.
X
X Your entry need not do well under all, or in most tests. In certain
X cases, a test is not important. Entries that compete for the
X 'strangest/most creative source layout' need not do as well as
X others in terms of their algorithm. On the other hand, given
X two such entries, we are more inclined to pick the entry that
X does something interesting when you run it.
X
X We try to avoid limiting creativity in our rules. As such, we leave
X the contest open for creative rule interpretation. As in real life
X programming, interpreting a requirements document or a customer request
X is important. For this reason, we often award 'worst abuse of the
X rules' to an entry that illustrates this point in an ironic way.
X
X If you do plan to abuse the rules, we suggest that you let us know
X in the remarks section. Please note that an invitation to abuse
X is not an invitation to break. We are strict when it comes to the
X 3217 byte size limit. Also, abusing the entry format tends to
X annoy more than amuse.
X
X We do realize that there are holes in the rules, and invite entries
X to attempt to exploit them. We will award 'worst abuse of the rules'
X and then plug the hole next year. Even so, we will attempt to use
X the smallest plug needed, if not smaller. :-)
X
X Check out your program and be sure that it works. We sometimes make
X the effort to debug an entry that has a slight problem, particularly
X in or near the final round. On the other hand, we have seen some
X of the best entries fall down because they didn't work.
X
X We tend to look down on a prime number printer, that claims that
X 16 is a prime number. If you do have a bug, you are better off
X documenting it. Noting "this entry sometimes prints the 4th power
X of a prime by mistake" would save the above entry. And sometimes,
X a strange bug/feature can even help the entry! Of course, a correctly
X working entry is best.
X
X
XOUR LIKES AND DISLIKES:
X
X Doing masses of #defines to obscure the source has become 'old'. We
X tend to 'see thru' masses of #defines due to our pre-processor tests
X that we apply. Simply abusing #defines or -Dfoo=bar won't go as far
X as a program that is more well rounded in confusion.
X
X Many ANSI C compilers dislike the following code, and so do we:
X
X #define d define
X #d foo <-- don't expect this to turn into #define foo
X
X int i;
X j; <-- don't use such implicit type declaration
X int k;
X
X We suggest that you compile your entry with an ANSI C compiler. If you
X must use non-ANSI C, such as K&R C, you must avoid areas that result in
X compile/link errors for ANSI C compilers.
X
X Unfortunately, some ANSI C compilers require array indexes to be of |
X integral type. Thus, the following classical obfuscation hacks should |
X not be used in 1993. This rule may be relaxed in future contests. |
X
X int i;
X char *c;
X i[c]; <--- use c[i] instead
X (i+3)["string"]; <--- use "string"[i+3] instead
X
X If your entry uses functions that have a variable number of
X arguments, be careful. Systems implement va_list as a wide variety
X of ways. Because of this, a number of operations using va_list are
X not portable and must not be used:
X
X * assigning a non-va_list variable to/from a va_list variable
X * casting a non-va_list variable into/from a va_list variable
X * passing a va_list variable to a function expecting a non-va_list arg
X * passing a non-va_list variable to a function expecting a va_list arg
X * performing arithmetic on va_list variables
X * using va_list as a structure or union
X
X In particular, do not treat va_list variables as if they were a char **'s.
X
X Avoid using <varargs.h>, use <stdarg.h> instead.
X
X If you use C preprocessor directives (#define, #if, #ifdef, ...),
X the leading '#' must be the first character on a line. While some
X C preprocessors allow whitespace the leading '#', many do not.
X
X Because the exit() function returns void on some systems, entries
X must not assume that it returns an int.
X
X Small programs are best when they are short, obscure and concise.
X While such programs are not as complex as other winners, they do
X serve a useful purpose. They are often the only program that people
X attempt to completely understand. For this reason, we look for
X programs that are compact, and are instructional.
X
X One line programs should be short one line programs, say around 80
X bytes long. Getting close to 160 bytes is a bit too long in our opinion.
X
X We tend to dislike programs that:
X
X * are very hardware specific
X * are very OS or Un*x version specific
X (index/strchr differences are ok, but socket/streams specific
X code is likely not to be)
X * dump core or have compiler warnings
X (it is ok only if you warn us in the 'remark' header item)
X * won't compile under both BSD or SYS V Un*x
X * abusing the build file to get around the size limit
X * obfuscate by excessive use of ANSI tri-graphs
X * are longer than they need to be
X * are similar to previous winners
X * are identical to previous losers :-)
X
X Unless you are cramped for space, or unless you are entering the
X 'best one liner' category, we suggest that you format your program
X in a more creative way than simply forming excessively long lines.
X
X The build file should not be used to try and get around the size
X limit. It is one thing to make use of a several -D's to help out,
X but it is quite another to use 200+ bytes of -D's in order to
X try and squeeze the source under the size limit. You should feel
X free to make use of the build file space, but you are better off
X if you show some amount of restraint.
X
X We allowed whitespace, and in certain cases ; { or } do not impact
X your program size (up to a certain point), because we want to get
X away from source that is simply a compact blob of characters.
X
X Given two versions of the same program, one that is a compact blob
X of code, and the other that is formatted more like a typical C
X program, we tend to favor the second version. Of course, a third
X version of the same program that is formatted in an interesting
X and/or obfuscated way, would definitely win over the first two!
X
X We suggest that you avoid trying for the 'smallest self-replicating'
X program. We are amazed at the many different sizes that claim
X to be the smallest. There is nothing wrong with self-replicating
X programs. In fact, a number of winners have been self-replicating.
X You might want to avoid the claim of 'smallest', lest we (or others)
X know of a smaller one!
X
X X client entries should be as portable as possible. Entries that
X adapt to a wide collection of environments will be favored. Don't
X depend on a particular type of display. For example, don't depend
X on color or a given size. Don't require backing store.
X
X X client entries should avoid using X related libraries and
X software that is not in wide spread use. We ask that such X client
X entries restrict themselves to only the low level Xlib and the
X Athena widget set (libX11.a, libXaw.a, libXmu.a and libXt.a).
X Don't use M*tif, Xv*ew, or OpenL*ok toolkits, since not everyone
X has them. Avoid depending on a particular window manager. Not
X everyone has X11r5, and some people are stuck back in X11r4 (or
X earlier), so try to target X11r5 without requiring X11r5. Better
X yet, try to make your entry run on all version 11 X Window Systems.
X
X X client entries should not to depend on particular items on
X .Xdefaults. If you must do so, be sure to note the required lines
X in the ---remark--- section.
X
X We like programs that:
X
X * are as concise and small as they need to be
X * do something at least quasi-interesting
X * pass lint without complaint (not a requirement, but it is nice)
X * are portable
X * are unique or novel in their obfuscation style
X * MAKE USE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF OBFUSCATION
X * make us laugh and/or throw up :-)
X
X Some types of programs can't excel in some areas. Of course, your
X program doesn't have to excel in all areas, but doing well in several
X areas really does help.
X
X We freely admit that interesting, creative or humorous comments in
X the ---remark--- section helps your chance of winning. If you had to
X read of many twisted entries, you too would enjoy a good laugh or two.
X We think the readers of the contest winners do as well.
X
X Be creative!
X
X
XENTRY FORMAT:
X
X In order to help us process the many entries, we must request your
X assistance by formatting your entries in a certain way. This format,
X in addition, allows us to quickly separate information about the
X author from the program itself. (see JUDGING PROCESS)
X
X We have provided the program, mkentry, as an example of how to
X format entries. You should be aware of the following warning that
X is found in mkentry.c:
X
X This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every
X attempt has been made to make sure that this program produces
X an entry that conforms to the contest rules. In all cases,
X where this program differs from the contest rules, the
X contest rules will be used. Be sure to check with the
X contest rules before submitting an entry.
X
X You are not required to use mkentry. It is convenient, however,
X as it attempts to uuencode the needed files, and attempt to check
X the entry against the size rules.
X
X If you have any suggestions, comments, fixes or complaints about
X the mkentry.c program, please send Email to the judges. (see below)
X
X The following is a sample entry:
X
X---entry---
Xrule: 1993
Xfix: n
Xtitle: chonglab
Xentry: 0
Xdate: Mon Mar 1 08:45:20 1993
Xhost: Un*x v6, pdp11/45
X 2.9BSD, pdp11/70
X---remark---
X This is a non-obfuscated obfuscated C program.
X
X It is likely not to win a prize. But what do you expect from
X a short example!
X---author---
Xname: Landon Curt Noll
Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group
Xaddr: Toad Hall
X PO Box 170608
X San Francisco, California
X 94117-0608
X USA
Xemail: chongo@toad.com
Xanon: n
X---author---
Xname: Larry Bassel
Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group
Xaddr: Toad Hall
X PO Box 170608
X San Francisco, California
X 94117-0608
X USA
Xemail: hoptoad!sun!lab
X lab@sun.com
Xanon: n
X---info---
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Xend
X---build---
Xbegin 444 build
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X`
Xend
X---program---
Xbegin 444 prog.c
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Xend
X---end---
X
X Typically the build file should assume that the source is prog.c
X and will compile into prog. If an entry wins, we will rename
X its source and binary to avoid filename collision. By tradition,
X we use the name of the entry's title, followed by an optional
X digit in case of name conflicts.
X
X If the above entry somehow won the 'least likely to win' award,
X we would use chonglab.c and chonglab.
X
X If your entry depends on, or requires that your build, source
X and/or binary files be a particular name, please say so in the
X ---remark--- section. If this case applies, it would be be helpful
X if you did one of the following:
X
X * Tell us how to change the filename(s) in your entry.
X
X * Have the build file make copies of the files. For example:
X
X cc prog.c -o special_name need special binary
X
X or rm -f special_src.c need special source
X cp prog.c special_src.c
X cc special_src.c -o special_name
X
X or rm -f special_build need special build
X tail +4 build > special_build
X sh < special_build
X
X * Assume that we will use the entry title. Send us a version of
X your build/program files that uses the name convention. You
X should uuencode these files in ---data--- sections.
X
X If your entry needs to modify its source, info or binary files,
X please say so in the ---remark--- section. You should try to avoid
X touching your original build, source and binary files. You should
X arrange to make copies of the files you intend to modify. This
X will allow people to re-generate your entry from scratch.
X
X Remember that your entry may be built without a build file. We
X typically incorporate the build lines into a Makefile. If the
X build file must exist, say so in the ---remark--- section.
X
X If your entry needs special info files, you should uuencode them
X into ---info--- sections. In the case of multiple info files,
X use multiple ---info--- sections. If no info files are needed,
X then skip the ---info--- section.
X
X Info files are intended to be input, or detailed information that
X does not fit well into the ---remark--- section. For example, an
X entry that implements a compiler might want to provide some sample
X programs for the user to compile. An entry might want to include a
X lengthy design document, that might not be appropriate for a
X 'hints' file.
X
X Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. For
X example, info files may provide sample input or detailed
X information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,
X the entry should not require them exist.
X
X In some cases, your info files might be renamed to avoid name
X conflicts. If info files should not be renamed for some reason,
X say so in the ---remark--- section.
X
X Info files must uudecode into the current directory. If they
X absolutely must be renamed, or moved into a sub-directory, say
X so in the ---remark--- section.
X
X When submitting multiple entries, be sure that each entry has
X a unique entry number from 0 to 7. Your first entry should
X have entry number 0.
X
X With the exception of the header, all text outside of the entry
X format may be ignored. That is, don't place text outside of the
X entry and expect the judges to see it. (Our decoding tools aren't
X AI progs!) If you need tell the the something, put it in the
X ---remark--- section, or send a Email to the judges at:
X
X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for
X judges@toad.com submitting entries)
X
X The date should be given with respect to UTC. (Some systems refer
X to this as GMT or GMT0) The format of the date should be that as
X returned by asctime() in the C locale. An example of such a string is:
X
X Thr Apr 01 00:47:00 1993
X
X This format is similar to the output of the date(1) command. The
X string does not include the timezone name before the year. On many
X systems, one of the following command will produce a similar string:
X
X date -u "+%a %h %d %T 19%y"
X date -u | sed -e 's/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/'
X sh -c 'TZ=UTC date | sed -e "s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/"'
X sh -c 'TZ=GMT date | sed -e "s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/"'
X sh -c 'TZ=GMT0 date | sed -e "s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/"'
X
X You are allowed to update/fix/revise your entry. To do so, set
X the 'fix' line in the ---entry--- section to 'y' instead of 'n'.
X Be sure that the resubmittion uses the same title and entry number
X as well, as these are used to determine which entry is to be
X replaced.
X
X
XJUDGING PROCESS:
X
X Entries are judged by Larry Bassel and Landon Curt Noll.
X
X Entries are unpacked into individual directories. The Email message
X is unpacked into individual files, each containing:
X
X ---entry--- section
X all ---author--- sections
X all ---info--- sections
X ---build--- section
X ---program--- section
X any other text, including the Email message headers
X
X Prior to judging, the 'any other text' file is scanned to be sure
X it does not contain useful information (or in case the entry was
X malformed and did not unpack correctly). Information from the
X ---author--- sections are not read until the judging process is
X complete, and then only from entries that have won an award.
X
X The above process helps keep us biased for/against any one particular
X individual. We are usually kept in the dark as much as you are
X until the final awards are given. We like the surprise of finding
X out in the end, who won and where they were from.
X
X We attempt to keep all entries anonymous, unless they win an award.
X Because the main 'prize' of winning is being announced, we make all
X attempts to send non-winners into oblivion. We remove all non-winning
X files, and shred all related paper. By tradition, we do not even
X reveal the number of entries that we received. (for the curious,
X we do indicate the volume of paper consumed when presenting the IOCCC
X winners at talks)
X
X After the Usenix announcement, we attempt to send Email to the
X authors of the winning entries. One reason we do this is to give
X the authors a chance to comment on the way we have presented their
X entry. They are given the chance to correct mistakes, typos. We
X often accept their suggestions/comments about our remarks as well.
X This is done prior to posting the winners to the wide world.
X
X Judging consists of a number of elimination rounds. During a round,
X the collection of entries are divided into two roughly equal piles;
X the pile that advances on to the next round, and the pile that does
X not. We also re-examine the entries that were eliminated in the
X previous round. Thus, an entry gets at least two readings.
X
X A reading consists of a number of actions:
X
X * reading the ---entry--- section
X * reading the uudecoded ---build--- section
X * reading the uudecoded ---program--- section
X * reading the uudecoded ---info--- section(s), if any
X * passing the source thru the C pre-processor
X shipping over any #include files
X * performing a number of C beautify/cleanup edits on the source
X * passing the beautified source thru the C pre-processor
X shipping over any #include files
X
X In later rounds, other actions are performed:
X
X * linting the source
X * compiling/building the source
X * running the program
X * performing misc tests on the source and binary
X
X Until we reduce the stack of entries down to about 25 entries, entries
X are judged on an individual basis. An entry is set aside because it
X does not, in our opinion, meet the standard established by the round.
X When the number of entries thins to about 25 entries, we begin to form
X award categories. Entries begin to compete with each other for awards.
X An entry often will compete in several categories.
X
X The actual award category list will vary depending on the types of entries
X we receive. A typical category list might be:
X
X * best small one line program
X * best small program
X * strangest/most creative source layout
X * most useful obfuscated program
X * best game that is obfuscated
X * most creatively obfuscated program
X * most deceptive C code
X * best X client (see OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES)
X * best abuse of ANSI C
X * worst abuse of the rules
X * <anything else so strange that it deserves an award>
X
X We do not limit ourselves to this list. For example, a few entries are so
X good/bad that they are declared winners at the start of the final round.
X We will invent awards categories for them, if necessary.
X
X In the final round process, we perform the difficult tasks of
X reducing the remaining entries (typically about 25) down to 8 or 10
X winners. Often we are confident that the entries that make it into
X the final round are definitely better than the ones that do not
X make it. The selection of the winners out of the final round, is
X less clear cut.
X
X Sometimes a final round entry good enough to win, but is beat out
X by a similar, but slightly better entry. For this reason, it is
X sometimes worthwhile to re-enter an improved version of an entry
X that failed to win in a previous year. This assumes, of course,
X that the entry is worth improving in the first place!
X
X More often that not, we select a small entry (usually one line), a
X strange/creative layout entry, and an entry that abuses the contest
X rules in some way.
X
X In the end, we traditionally pick one entry as 'best'. Sometimes such
X an entry simply far exceeds any of the other entry. More often, the
X 'best' is picked because it does well in a number of categories.
X
X
XANNOUNCEMENT OF WINNERS:
X
X The first announcement, occurs at a Summer Usenix conference. By tradition,
X this is done during the latter part of the UUNET/IOCCC BOF, just prior to
X the Berkeley BSD, and BSDI BOF.
X
X Winning entries will be posted in late June to the following groups:
X
X comp.lang.c comp.unix.wizards alt.sources
X
X In addition, pointers to these postings are posted to the following
X
X comp.sources.d alt.sources.d misc.misc
X comp.sources.misc comp.windows.x
X
X Winning entries will be deposited into the uunet archives. See
X below for details.
X
X Often, winning entries are published in selected magazines. Winners
X have appeared in books ("The New Hackers Dictionary") and on T-Shirts.
X
X Last, but not least, winners receive international fame and flames! :-)
X
X
XFOR MORE INFORMATION:
X
X You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address:
X
X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for
X judges@toad.com submitting entries)
X
X Questions and comments about the contest are welcome.
X
X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to |
X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines |
X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address |
X above and use the subject 'send rules'. |
X
X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: |
X
X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) |
X user: anonymous
X pass: yourname@yourhost
X dir: ~/pub/ioccc |
X
X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email |
X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', |
X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. |
X
X
Xchongo <Landon Curt Noll> /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com |
XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com |
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chmod 0444 guidelines ||
echo "restore of guidelines failed"
set `wc -c guidelines`;Wc_c=$1
if test "$Wc_c" != "25592"; then
echo original size 25592, current size $Wc_c
fi
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exit 0 | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Hello, I'm doing a paper on censorship in music and I would appreciate it if you took the time to participate in this survey. Please answer as each question asks ('why?' simply means that you have room to explain your answer, if you chose.). The last question is for any comments, questions, or suggestions. Thank you in advance, please E-mail to the address at the end.
I) are you [male/female]
II) what is your age?
III)what is your major/occupation?
IV) what type of music do you listen to (check all that apply)?
a. hard rock b. metal c. alternative d. blues e. rap
f. jazz g. soft rock h. easy listening i. country
j. classical k. hard core l. dance m. new age
n. others (did I miss any?)____________
1) Do you think recordings with objectionable or offensive lyrics be labeled? [yes/no] Why?
2) Do you think certain recordings should be banned from minors (under 18 years of age)? [yes/no] why?
3) Do you think certain recordings should be banned. Period. [yes/no] Why?
4) If yes to any of the above, who should decide:
a. parents
b. government
c. music industry
d. other________________
feel free to add any comments on this.
5) Do you think [more/less] should be done for controling record sales, or do you think the present labeling system is enough?
6) What is your definition of censorship? Also, feel free to add comments, suggestions, questions, or further explanations.
Please E-mail at: mtt@kepler.unh.edu or hit 'R' to reply.
thanks.
Matthew T. Thompson
disclaimer: if any responses are used in paper, they will be anoynamous (sp?) unless the person specifies they what their name to be used.
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Labour prices for car service are very expensive in Toronto compared to other
parts of Ontario. For example, there are places in Ottawa that still charge
"only" $40/hour. I've seen a couple of places charging $60/hour. The cheapest
I've heard in Toronto is $70/hour.
| 7 | rec.autos |
My first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd
be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third.
Try Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids.
Matt | 14 | sci.space |
:
:So much for "infinite patience."
:
;I find it hard to swallow that prolonged exposure to "massive" amounts of
:
:And they said that the bomb dropped on MOVE wouldn't start a fire, either.
:
:The real kicker, though, is the stated justification for the government's
:sudden loss of patience: They wouldn't be able to "rotate their teams"
:
:This outcome could be foreseen a mile (or two) away, but Reno didn't even
:
:Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick
The really good part: "At this point we're not negotiating," FBI spokesman
Bob Ricks said at a news briefing about a half hour before the fire began.
"We're saying,'Come out.Come out with your hands up. This matter is over.'"
Criminal... so much for Billary saying we won't force the issue... anybody
have the WH information number? Figure ol' Bill could use a lesson from the
ROTC he scorned: "You are responsible for all that your unit/troops do or fail
to do." Want to ask him how he enjoys being responsible for violating the
Constitutional rights of a group, resulting in the deaths of over a hundred of them, plus four Federal agents...
James
| 16 | talk.politics.guns |
About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau
Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a
schoolteacher from Minnesota.) | 7 | rec.autos |
Good grief again.
Why the anger? I must have really touched a raw nerve.
Let's see: I had symptoms that resisted all other treatments. Sporanox
totally alleviated them within one week. Hmmm, I must be psychotic. Yesss!
That's it - my illness was all in my mind. Thanks Steve for your correct
diagnosis - you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches,
treating hundreds of patients a week. Thank you. I'm forever in your
debt.
Jon
(oops, gotta run, the men in white coats are ready to take me away, haha,
to the happy home, where I can go twiddle my thumbs, basket weave, and
moan about my sinuses.)
--
Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club. | 13 | sci.med |
Rob Butera asks about a book called THE LOST YEARS OF JESUS, by
Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
I do not know the book. However, Miss Prophet is the leader of a
group (The Church Universal and Triumphant) derived from the I AM
group founded by a Mr. Ballard who began his mission in the 1930's
(I am writing this from memory and may not have all the details
straight -- for an old account, check your library for a bnook by
Marcus Bach) after an eighteenth-century Frenchman appeared, tapped
him on the shoulder, and offered him a cup of "cosmic essence." A
major tenet of the movement is that there is a monastery in the
mountains of Tibet from which a monk descends to the lower altitudes
every few centuries to preach, and that all major religions have
been founded by monks from this monastery. Typically, the Ballard
family and their successors, the Prophet family (related by
marriage, if I remember aright), base almost all their teachings on
messages they have allegedly received by telepathy from Tibet. I
should be surprised if the book you mention has any scholarly basis. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
Hi !!!
Is there somebody using a 56001 DSP from Motorola ???
I am searching for programms concerning audio effects.
I built a 4 channel mixer (4ADC + 1DSP) for audio signals.
I built some digital filters and echos, but now i want to
include some effects like HARMONIC Equalizer or chorus.
The problem is, I dont know how these effects work (so I cant
write a programm).
So if someone has programms or just knows how such effects work,
please contact me in the newsgroup or via e-mail.
(Also if there are books about this problem) | 12 | sci.electronics |
What interpretations? Just read it as it's written.
"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed."
Where does it say "The right of the people to be members of a militia shall
not be infringed" or "The right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall
not be infringed?" NOWHERE.
"Well-educated businessmen being necessary to the ability of the nation to
compete in the international marketplace, the right of the people to attend
schools shall not be infringed."
Would you "interpret" this to mean that only businessmen should have a
protected right to attend schools? Why or why not? | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
[ ... questions omitted ... ]
Funny you should mention it, but I've heard these questions time
and again, also. Why just the other day, a couple neo-Nazis by
UCLA were passing out literature like this.
Cheers,
Steve | 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I
remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a
thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said
it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations
within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in.
Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard
to judge. | 14 | sci.space |
:
: 1) Monitor my phonecalls.
: 2) Monitor usenet.
: 3) Provide only cryptosystems they can easily crack.
: 4) etc etc.
:
: This is not to say that they *don't*, they might. But you don't
: know that they do, and you have no evidence that they do, for almost
: all values of you. It follows, therefore, that for most values of 'you',
: your claims about the NSA border on paranoia.
:
: Andrew
Now I wouldn't be the one to claim that you are injecting some
disinformation into the net, Andrew, but 'paranoia' refers to
unwarranted or excessive suspicions or fear, not those that
have reasonable roots.
Let's start with looking at the professionals, the NSA itself.
Its birth was by secret executive order by Harry S Truman
in 1952. Until even 1976 not even one word of this executive
order chartering the NSA was sealed. Paranoia, right?
On the outside of the NSA complex is a ten foot Cyclone fence
with multiple rows of barbed wire, with high voltage, complete with signs
prohibiting even making sketches under penalty of the Internal
Security Act. The area is completely scanned by closed circuit
television. More paranoia.
These are professionals, Maybe they know something we don't, eh?
Do you think it would have helped Admiral Yamamoto if the Japanese
had been a little more 'paranoid' of their purple cipher?
Or maybe the Germans should have been a little more 'paranoid' about
their Engima with respect to Turing and the British.
How about the cracking of the Zimmerman telegram? Would a little
more paranoia have helped the Germans here?
Maybe the NSA should have been a little more 'paranoid' about
Emma Woikin, or Joseph Sidney Petersen, Jr., or ...
Maybe you want to talk about Macmillan publishers cooperation
with the CIA and NSA to suppress Yardley's Japanese Diplomatic
Secrets or even Kahn's The Codebreakers.. paranoia, right?
The most popular cipher systems in captured soviet spies was
the one-time pad, even with the necessity of keeping incriminating
evidence about, is known to be the only proven unbreakable system.
Soviet paranoia, right?
And what do you think the NSA does with its Wullenwebers? And
huge Rhombics pointed embassy row? And their sites near
satellite uplink and downlink sites? Duh.
When I worked in a classified MITRE communications lab at one time
even with a "secret" clearance I had to be escorted to the toilet
and the entire site was built INTO a Mosler-type vault with *very*
thick bomb-proof door. MITRE paranoia?
I could cite probably a hundred more facts which all support, as
best hypothesis, the notion that the NSA is grabbing as much as
it can, as fast as it can. One would be a fool to ignore the
pattern of facts and conclude that they were random...
And we know the government is violent -- even against children as
recent events prove. Judge William Sessions is a disgrace
but a solemn warning to those who ignore the web of evidence
that our government institutions have in their contempt for our
civil rights.
And of course we have to err somewhat on the excessive side of
caution because that does much less harm than erring on the
reckless side. As member of the crew of the USS Liberty might aver.
I might suggest, Andrew, that you read Kahn's Codebreakers and
Bamford's Puzzle Palace and come back with some more facts to
support your sheepish acquiescence to authority.
| 11 | sci.crypt |
The Clipper Chip will have no effect. Current generation PCs, portable
and desktop, all have analog voice -> digital voice and vice versa
capabilities. So, I only need a modem output to the telephone,
and I can interpose any encryption screen on my voice traffic I want.
Not even a big deal, but it will pass muster if the have a way
of checking whether I am using their Clipper Chip encryption without
a full decoding.
I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually
dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously
refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting
clients.
Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning
as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics
(truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics
(truth is understanding the external world).
Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8)
Lew | 11 | sci.crypt |
I don't have to "try reading a bit", Pat. I *work* as a government
contractor and know what the rules are like. Yes, they sign some
(damned few -- which is why everyone is always having to go to
Washington to see about next week's funding) multi-year contracts;
they also aren't willing to include sufficient cancellation penalties
when they *do* decide to cut the multi-year contract and not pay on it
(which can happen arbitrarily at any time, no matter what previous
plans were) to make the risk acceptable of something like putting up a
private space station with the government as the expected prime
occupant.
I'd like a source for that statement about "the reason they aren't
cutting defense spending as much as they would like"; I just don't buy
it. The other thing I find a bit 'funny' about your posting, Pat, is
that several other people answered the question pretty much the same
way I did; mine is the one you comment (and incorrectly, I think) on.
I think that says a lot. You and Tommy should move in together.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden | 14 | sci.space |
I have the following CDs for sale for $6 each plus postage.
All CDs are in perfect condition.
Michael Bolton Time, Love & Tenderness
Paula Abdul Forever Your Girl
Taylor Dayne Tell it to My Heart
Lionel Richie The Composer
Elvis Presley 18 Number One Hits
Bobby Vinton Greatest Hits
Super Hits of the 70's
(includes Yellow River, Rose Garden, For the Good Times,
Help Me Make it through the Night, Mr. Bojangles, Sweet Mary,
One Toke Over the Line, Put Your Hand in Hand, Stay Awhile,
Woodstock, Silver Bird, I Ain't got time Anymore) | 6 | misc.forsale |
There is no need to include the VAT from previous levels because
the VAT is a "difference" tax...if the VAT is X%, than the amount
of tax the government receives through all the levels is X% of
the purchase price of the end consumer. At the intervening levels,
only the difference between the VAT paid out and the VAT received
is remitted to the government.
A VAT is infinitely preferable to a retail sails tax... | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
:->
:-> I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond
:-> Speedstar 1MB video card. Does anybody know of an archive
:-> site that has these? I looked at CICA and it had drivers for
:-> the Stealth card and for Generic ET4000 cards but not one
:-> specifically for the Speedstar. Is there one? Or has Diamond
:-> dropped the Speedstar out of the driver development loop.
:->
I just looked at CICA yesterday and noticed that they didn't have
anything, but I seem to remember seeing something at WUARCHIVE in the
/mirrors/msdos/windows3 directory. I think I got my 3.1 drivers from
America Online though.
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mmeltzer@wam.umd.edu is | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Food poisoning is only one of the many possible causes. Yes, even other people
share the food.
Boy, you computer people only know 1s and 0s, but not much about logic. :-)
No. I did not said MSG was not the culprit. What I argued was that that
there was enough reasonable doubt to convict MSG.
If you want to convict MSG, show me the evidence, not quilty by suspicion.
Nobody is forcing you to change what you believe. But I certainly don't
want to see somebody preach to ban pepper because that makes him/her
sneeze. That is exactly what some anti-MSG activitiests are doing
Look, people with a last Chen don't necessarily own a Chinese restaurant.
I am not interested if you enjoy Chinese food or not. Exploiting my last
name to discredit me on the issue is hitting below the belt.
What I am interested in is the truth. Let me give you an excert from
a recent FDA hearing:
``There is no evidence orally consumed glutamate has any effect
on the brain,'' said Dr. Richard Wurtman of Massachusetts Institute
of Technology. The anecdotal experiences of individuals is
``superstition, not science,'' he said. ``I don't think glutamate
has made them sick.''
And Dr. Robert Kenney of George Washington University conducted an double
blind test in 1980 showing that the 35 people who reacted to MSG also
had similar reaction when they thought they had MSG but actually not.
Although there are many contradicting personal stories told in this group,
some of them might have been due to other causes. But because the anti MSG
emotion runs so high, that some blame it for anything and everything.
My purpose is to present a balance view on the issue, although I am probably
20-1 outnumbered. | 13 | sci.med |
No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of
Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the
buildings down very credible,either.
It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some-
one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig-
nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings.
I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac-
cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of
their conduct in this whole affair. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
Owen only has one error so far, I believe. That seriously
underrepresents the harm he has done in the field.
Owen will cleanly play any ball he reaches. He will have a fine
fielding percentage, like always. The problem is that he doesn't
reach anything that isn't hit straight at him!
This wouldn't be quite as obvious a problem if he were playing next to
Kelly Gruber or Robin Ventura. But the third baseman for the Yankees
is Wade Boggs (who should have moved across the diamond *last* year)!
I've only seen one game, Abbott's first start, but there were three
balls hit to the left side which would have been stopped by quality
defensive players. Instead they were charged as hits against Abbott. | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
10 | rec.sport.hockey |
|
I was wondering if anyone knew any changes to the temple
ceremony within the last fifty years....
Also, why do you think they were made (revelation,
assimilation to mainstream Christianity, etc.)?
I know that the God Makers was published quite a while
ago. Could rituals have been changed since then?
I am also very interested in the influence of Freemasonry
on early Mormonism, especially in the Smith family and
in the Nauvoo settlement. Info on any new studies would
be appreciated.
Thanks, | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post
by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday. The first was made into the
title post of a new thread, "Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?"
and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread
"A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised"
both only in talk.abortion, but I am posting its contents into
talk.religion.misc as soon as I exit here.
This should be enough for us to thrash out for the next week or so. The
second post really grapples with the main bones of contention between us.
The first is more lighthearted and tells about such things as
KaflowitzDebatingPoints [tm], which he continues to rack up on both
talk.abortion and talk.religion.misc, while setting follow-ups to
talk.abortion alone. His lame excuse for the latter policy is that
he gets a prompt as to where to set follow-ups, and does not follow
talk.religion.misc much; this suggests that he is being hypocritical in not
also setting his Newsgroups line to talk.abortion alone. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
:>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys,
:>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming
:>houses and violating civil rights under color of law.
:>
:>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution?
:
:Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the
:snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the
:name of 'self defense.'
Well, the count is now at least 86 dead by government action. How many
have been killed in the last year in the manner you described? What, no
facts? Oh, how silly of me; I forgot, you don't like guns, so you don't
need no stinkin' facts.
:Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter.
Don't get too smug, Mr. gun-hater.
Mike Ruff | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
[...]
I struggled with the margin problem for ages as well, until I
finally got hold of the shareware binary editor BEAV133, and dug into
NOTEPAD.EXE (there is no SETUP facility to force NOTEPAD to default to
0.0 margins- it's hardwired into code!!!).
Do a SEARCH for ".75", then change the offending bytes to ".00",
et viola. Who are the guys who hardcode these "options" anyway?
I'm interested in whether the problem only rears it's ugly head for
certain printers- I'm using an old Epson LX-800 (or is that EX-800? never can
remember). | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Please, leave heaven out of it. For his own sake, I pray that Dan does
take it literally because that's how God intended it to be taken. Dan,
your view of many groups appears correct from my point of view.
However, I have found a group which is truly meeting requirements laid
down by the Bible on what it means to be a disciple of Jesus. I have no
clue where wwc is, but please mail me. I'd really like to get you in
touch with them.
[insert deletion of ranting about other religions which obviously has
gone off-center of Dan's original context]
Dan, I'm familiar with this one. You've got a point, though. There are
some who don't want to turn over everything and be a disciple, some have
no clue about it because they've not been taught, some have done exactly
that and turned over everything to follow Jesus, some are blocked by
difficult doctrine taught by uncaring Pharisees and teachers of the law.
However, Jesus pointed out what it takes to follow him and to be his
disciple in Luke 9:23-26 and Luke 14:25-33. My question is: why do
people ignore the command and treat it as optional? I certainly don't
have an answer to this.
[insert deletion]
My parents had nothing to do with it. God had and has everything to do
with it. As for these attacking responses, I must say that I disagree
with your tone and what appears to be some very judgmental statements
(possibly to the point of slander) when talking about people, not what
they do. Please, if you have a response, state it instead of flying off
the handle on some discourse which may have nothing truly to do with
what is being discussed. I'm sure both Dan and I would have a much
happier time with your responses. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
: >The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the
: >draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,
: >and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior
: >with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us
: >on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and
: >Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.
: >Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.
: >Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.
: >
: >
: > - Dave Borden
: > borden@m5.harvard.edu
:
:
: You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice somthing
: for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? To bad.
: What is immoral is: people like you and the current president who don't
: have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ years.
This country still exists after 200+ years
because the
people have to be forced by the government to
fight in foreign wars?
I don't think so... | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
Does the Proventil inhaler for asthma relief fall into the steroid
or nonsteroid category? Looking at the product literature it's
not clear. | 13 | sci.med |
19 | talk.religion.misc |
|
Unfortunately, I've got another story to add to this. My girlfriend
and I were driving through west L.A., and got pelted by a rock just as
we were pulling away from a stoplight. The scary thing was that the
rock was heavy enough to put a decent-sized dent in the door of my '72
Riviera which is pretty much solid "Detriot Iron." Couple of inches
higher and it would have gone through the window.
Chris
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Chris Barrus --- chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu --- kallista@aol.com
1972 Buick Riviera boattail, peace through superior automotive power!
Sacred cows make the best hamburger - Abbie Hoffman | 7 | rec.autos |
His designated point-getter remarks were not only meant for Lemieux,
but for Gretzky, Bure, etc. etc. .... and he made those particular
remarks last December before Lemieux was diagnosed with Hodgkin's,
and as the Leafs started their second half roll, and before
Gilmour's great season was being recognized by many people. | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Several people have enquired about the availability of the book about the
Great 72" reflector built at Birr Castle, Ireland in 1845 which remained the
largest in the world until the the start of the 20th century.
"The Astronomy of Birr Castle" was written by Patrick Moore who now sits on
the committee which is going to restore the telescope. (The remains are on
public display all year round - the massive support walls, the 60 foot long
tube, and other bits and pieces). This book is the definitivie history of
how one man, the Third Earl of Rosse, pulled off the most impressive
technical achievement, perhaps ever, in the history of the telescope, and
the discoveries made with the instrument.
Patrick Moore is donating all proceeds from the book's sale to help restore
the telescope. Astronomy Ireland is making the book available world wide by
mail order. It's a fascinating read and by ordering a copy you bring the day
when we can all look through it once again that little bit nearer.
=====ORDERING INFORMATION=====
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CREDIT CARD: MASTERCARD/VISA/EUROCARD/ACCESS accepted by email or snail
mail: give card number, name & address, expiration date, and total amount.
Payments otherwise must be by money order or bank draft.
Send to our permanent address: P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland.
You can also subscribe to "Astronomy & Space" at the same time. See below:
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Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland.
6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail).
ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address). | 14 | sci.space |
Why do you think he would be called a quack? The quacks don't do cultures.
They poo-poo doing more lab tests: "this is Lyme, believe me, I've
seen it many times. The lab tests aren't accurate. We'll treat it
now." Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating
Lyme patients? I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this
pattern. They are usually GPs.
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Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon." | 13 | sci.med |
#Rick Anderson replied to my letter with...
#
#ra> In article <C5ELp2.L0C@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
#ra>
(...)
# Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to
# differing interpretations of "create," and say that many Christians may
# not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith
# on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is
# truth, regardless of popularity of opinions.
It may be "irrelevant" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say
"bias"?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, "the
bottom line IS truth," independant from you or anyone else. Since you
proclaim "truths" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what
authority you do this? Because "it says so in the Bible?" --Does the
Bible "say so," or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a
scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or "disapproval"?
Excuse moi, but your line of "truths" haven't moved me one bit to persuade
me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the "preachers" of "truth" on
this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking
crew, with no positive message to me or any other Latter-day Saint...
BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus
to the pharisees: "ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips,
but your hearts are far removed from me..."
# Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created
# and eternally existent are equivalent, you say "granted the Mormon
# belief..." You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to
# have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address
# and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the
# conclusion that you grant.
Sophistry. Look who's talking: "jumping to conclusions?" You wouldn't do
that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless
whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points
of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration
whatsoever.
#
# The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus
# is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS
# belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same.
A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation
of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you.
Jesus and lucifer are not "the same," silly, and you know it.
(...)
# The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is
# nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible
# says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God:
Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible
indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they
"belong to" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have
rebelled against God, and are not "children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"
but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to
separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of
salvation.
#
# The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the
# kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked "one";
# (Matthew 13:38)
kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus
(and have shown "works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the
wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue
of satan's spirit-origin (and of those who followed him) has not been
addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You
purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your "right" with non-
related scriptures.
(...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...)
#ra> > We are told that, "And this is life eternal, that they might know
#ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
#ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the
#ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly
#ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of
#ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim
Correction: "my" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be
reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him,
I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less.
#ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the
#ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and
#ra> > not the construct of imagination.
In this single posting of yours, I've seen more "constructs of imagination"
than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news
group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us
about "the only true God," whom you interpret according to your own likes
and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about
Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other
faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different
way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission
and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob
or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited
every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear.
# This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but
# rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read
# something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches.
Sigh. "What the Bible teaches"? Or: "what the bible teaches according to
Robert Weiss and co.?" I respect the former, I reject the latter without
the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by
the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you
being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a
Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart).
(...)
# Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of
# Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't
# think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the
# issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this
# subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may
# certainly be.
The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis-
represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of "official doctrine"
is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial
(e.g. "The Seven Deadly Heresies" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best,
or erroneous at worst ("blacks not to receive the priesthood in this
dispensation"). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable
contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal
interpretations (his book "Mormon Doctrine" is oftentimes referred to
as "McConkie's Bible" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather
look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books!
(The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie
was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of
God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted
doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and
speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most
biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the
trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have
allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting...
=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
| 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Here is another anecdotal story. I am a picky eater and never wanted to
try chinese food, however, I finally tried some in order to please a
girl I was seeing at the time. I had never heard of Chinese restaurant
syndrome. A group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different
dishes. It didn't taste great, but I decided it wasn't so bad. We went
home and went to bed early. I woke up at 2 AM and puked my guts outs.
I threw up for so long that (I'm not kidding) I pulled a muscle in
my tongue. Dry heaves and everything. No one else got sick, and I'm
not allergic to anything that I know of.
Suffice to say that I wont go into a chinese restaurant unless I am
physically threatened. The smell of the food makes me ill (and that *is*
a psycholgical reaction). When I have been dragged in to suffer
through beef and broccoli without any sauces, I insist on no MSG.
I haven't gotten sick yet.
| 13 | sci.med |
I'm looking for graphics (clipart, bmp, gif...) of anything relating to ophthalmology (I know it's a weird request). Anything such as eyeglasses,
contact lenses, eyes...would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
| 1 | comp.graphics |
(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes
> Sam Zbib Writes
>>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
>>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
>>anti-trust in the business world.
>>
>>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
>>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
>>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
>>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
>>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
>>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
>>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
>>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
>>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
>They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
>>
>>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
>>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
>>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
>>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
>>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
>>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
>>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).
>>
Amir:
Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was
it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the
fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of
any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews?
Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine
(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate
treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while
Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord
would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would
be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.
It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the
palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share
your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from
any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down?
All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The
question was whether the intent behind the purchase was
aimed at controlling the public assets (land,
infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds
to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.
Sam | 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
I have had a Zeos for a couple months. While the experience was not
painless or perfect, it was way better than that endured by most (7
people I personally know) who have ordered Gateways. (Of course,
several of the Gateway buyers were rewarded by getting free stuff as
Gateway can't seem to keep track of what it has or hasn't sent
out...B{)
I got the 1 MB Viper card. The first one was defective, but Zeos
replaced it with only minor hassles. This one works fine. I haven't
noticed any problems in any of my applications. I also ordered it
because of all the complaints about the ATI a few months ago. Guess
you can choose either buggy state-of-the-art stuff, or robust average
stuff....
For my particular configuration (tower, 300 watt supply, pkg#3, no
monitor, viper, etc.) the Zeos was slightly cheaper than Gateway,
Austin, etc. But this can change from month to month. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
The package is called Sun and Sand, it includes:
--5 days/ 4 nights(2+2) accommodations in Orlando and Daytona beach;
--hotels are selected from major hotel chains and family resorts;
--two adults and up to three children;
--fully transferable;
--expires at 09/93, $20 for extention of one more year;
--it needs a 45 days advance reservation (esp. for peak season),
the reservation department will offer a coupon book which may
give you saving up to $150.
--price: I bought it for $199, which is a good deal for peak
seasons. For now, I will not turn down any reasonable offers.
must sell.
It doesn't include transportation. And you have to pay $3/day for hotel
tax. | 6 | misc.forsale |
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Who's the mindscheme(?) behind this one -- Ted
Simmons? As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I'm 230
miles from home (during the school year) and will never be able to pick up
DVE. At least now I can sort of make out what Mike and Steigy say through
all the static on KDKA. This just may be enough reason for me to transfer
to Duquesne and live at home. Who's going to announce on DVE anyway?
Paulson and Krenn? (Just kidding.) | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
^^^^
Just what are these "scientific facts"? I have never heard of such a thing.
Science never proves or disproves any theory - history does.
-Tim
______________________________________________________________________________ | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I tried to mail Peter Boucher, who posted the question, but my e-mail
bounced, so, apologies to thsoe who are not interested.
Have you read:
Bremner,A.,
On Trinomials of Type x$+n$-+Ax$+m$-+1.
Math. Scand. 49(1981) pp. 145-155.
Zbl. 458.12012.
MR 83k:12002.
Ljunggren,W.,
On the Irreducibility of Certain Trinomials and Quadrinomials.
Math. Scand. 8(1960) pp. 65-70.
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Tverberg,H.,
On the Irreducibility of the Trinomials
x$+n$-$mpm$$x$+m$-$mpm$$1.
Math. Scand. 8(1960) pp. 121-126.
Tverberg,H.,
On Cubic Factors of Certain Trinomials.
Math. Scand. 53(1983) pp. 178-184.
Zbl. 513.12003. | 11 | sci.crypt |
My Honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key.
The valet key can be left with someone and will NOT unlock the trunk
or enable the cable release. | 7 | rec.autos |
I'd appreciate any feedback on capture/playback tools for use with X clients.
I have pulled XTM from public domain but it appears to be set up to test
X servers not X clients.
Any comparisons/comments on regression testing tools would be great -
particularly XTM, XRunner, Autotester, and SRI's CAPBAK, SMARTS and EXDIFF. | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Keith,
I had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though
the flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering
the 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the
'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some.
BTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
No it's not. If you would have read my other post I was accurate. Here's what
[material from another post]-------------------------> The other point that I
would like to make because I know it's true (looked this one up in the Illinois
this is for you Andy-----> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
statutes before) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in Illinois.
^^^^^^^^ <------ Also for you Andy.
And then I went on to say:
There is no such thing as a CCW for us ordinary folk here.
[end of quoted material]
Of course I forgot to mention who "us ordinary folk" are so just for Andy I'm
going to go to the library tomorrow and photocopy the part of the Illinois
statutes with this information and post it. Ordinary citizens CAN NOT get a
license to carry a concealed weapon. There are very few people who can. I
even asked my lawyer friend about this and he told me that only certain people
can get licenses for concealed carry. He couldn't remember which people but he
knew for sure that regular citizens couldn't get that type of license. He told
me to go check at the library for the statutes which I did. I'll post that
info tomorrow night. Until then....... | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
#
#Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?
#I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.
#
#Appreciate the help.
#
I don't know if this might help, but I've just started playing with a program
called POVRay (Persistance of Vision Raytracer) that also displays its output
via X Windows. It does a fairly good job of allocating the colormap on my
Psuedo-Color 8-plane display. I got the source from from a site in Canda.
The person I retrieved them from was David Buck (dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca).
Patrick L. Mahan
--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- | 5 | comp.windows.x |
In billions of dollars (%GNP):
year GNP receipts outlays deficit debt unempl% admin
==== ==== =========== ============ ========= ====== ======= =======
1977 1930 355.6 (18.4) 409.2 (21.2) 53.6 (2.8) 709.1 Carter
1978 2174 399.6 (18.4) 458.7 (21.1) 59.2 (2.7) 780.4 Carter
1979 2444 463.3 (19.0) 503.5 (20.6) 40.2 (1.6) 833.8 Carter
1980 2674 517.1 (19.3) 590.9 (22.1) 73.8 (2.8) 914.3 7.9 Carter
1981 2986 599.3 (20.1) 678.2 (22.7) 78.9 (2.6) 1003.9 8.4 Reagan
1982 3130 617.8 (19.7) 745.7 (23.8) 127.9 (4.1) 1147.0 11.0 Reagan
1983 3325 600.6 (18.1) 808.3 (24.3) 207.8 (6.2) 1381.9 10.9 Reagan
1984 3688 666.5 (18.1) 851.8 (23.1) 185.3 (5.0) 1576.7 8.6 Reagan
1985 3958 734.1 (18.5) 946.3 (23.9) 212.3 (5.4) 1827.5 8.1 Reagan
1986 4177 769.1 (18.4) 989.8 (23.7) 220.7 (5.3) 2129.5 7.9 Reagan
1987 4442 854.1 (19.2) 1002.1 (22.6) 148.0 (3.4) 2354.3 7.1 Reagan
1988 4771 909.0 (19.1) 1064.1 (22.3) 155.1 (3.2) 2614.6 6.3 Reagan
1989 5201 990.8 (19.0) 1142.8 (22.0) 152.0 (2.9) 2881.1 Bush
1990 1031.2 1251.6 220.4 3190.5 Bush
1991 1054.3 1323.0 268.7 3599.0 Bush
[Source: Statistical Abstract of the US (1990 version), American Almanac
(1993 version), Universal Almanac (1993 version), Information Please Almanac
(1991 version)]
GRAPHICALLY: Deficits as a % of GNP, 1981-89
% GNP
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0 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989
Ironically, Bush could have frozen spending, kept his "no new taxes"
pledge and balanced the budget. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
I have a 286 with an M205 motherboard. The Last Byte memory manager (which
I downloaded for a trial) reports the chipset is an AddTech PCCHIP1 chipset,
and it is able to activate the ram behind segments A000-FFFF, which can then be
used for UMBs (except for video/BIOS). I would like to write my own driver to
activate the memory. Does anyone know where I can get programming information
on this chip? | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
1) So what?
2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers
gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of
us then this is an event unprecidented in history...
Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....
And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those
who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for
you....
Fuck off
| 18 | talk.politics.misc |
I had this problem some time ago. Some BIOSes do not automatically install
COM3 or COM4 in the port tables. Programs like most modem programs which
write directly to the port work fine but anything that uses a BIOS call
fails. Find a BBS or FTP site where you can get a copy of PORT FINDER. Put
"device=pf.sys" in your config.sys or run pf.com from your autoexec.bat.
This little program will locate all existing ports and make sure the BIOS
tables are updated. It works great. PF will also let you swap ports and
such also if that is of any value to you. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
I recently read an article in a local paper written by an Islamic
person who was upset with the way Islam has been portrayed by western media.
When a terrorist action takes place in the middle east, it is always played
up as an Islamic Terrorist. However, when the a Serbian terrorist attacks
the Croations, its not a Christian terrorist, its just a terrorist.
I have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe
the press, that Islam is somehow tied to violence. Often times you hear
things like "They just don't value human life like we do..." and so on.
I was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can
change this image, or how I can help my friends to see that this is just
hype. I would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e-mail,
and I'm not interested in hearing about how right the press is. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
This is the 2nd Reguest for Discussion ( RFD ) for the creation of
comp.databases.ms-access
The discussion period started on April 6 and it will last until April 28,
( 22 days ).
This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the
general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.
NAME: COMP.DATABASES.MS-ACCESS
MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been
assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.
PURPOSE:
Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG
design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a
database programming language called Access Basic.
THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's
WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use
Access Basic to create complex databases.
RATIONALE:
Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical
Development enviroment and its initial low price.
Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices.
For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss
their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions. | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
In the words of Doktor Kultur, in the Ottawa Citizen,
"Remember to unhook the Nitrous Oxide before you leave
the Dentist Chair!" 8^) | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
: I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for
: the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to
: all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of
: Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made
: obsolete by Jesus.
Just for reference, here's the earlier quote:
Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9
and Deuteronomy 22:20-25:
: These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had
: expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a
: direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God
: is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately
: punishable.
: Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to
: God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in
: the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There
: is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And
: not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew
: and Gentile alike.
These are two conflicting statements. To say one is a clarification of the
other is a breach of logic. I don't mind people shifting their position on
an issue. It irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change
was made. What about Deuteronomy 22:20-25? Is it wrong now? Did Jesus
change that?
: If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the
: following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon
: the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended.
Sure he does this. However, he doesn't address the notion of stoning
non-virgin brides, because this needs no clarification. Are you going to
deny that Deuteronomy 22:20-25 is not patently clear in its intent?
: I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of
: modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe
: in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart?
I'll agree that there is a lot of modern day Pharisees that know the Bible
from end to end and don't believe in it. Depending on how they use this
knowledge, they can be scary. They can argue any position they desire, and
back it up with selected parts of the Bible. Such Pharisees include David
Koresh and Adolph Hitler. I will qualify this by saying *I don't know* if
they actually believed what they were preaching, but the ends certainly
made the means look frightening.
However, just as scary are those that don't know much of the Bible, but
believe every word. In fact, this is probably scarier, since there are far
more of these people, from what I've seen. In addition, they are very easy
to manipulate by the aforementioned Pharisees, since they don't know enough
to debate with these people.
: Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's
: perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will.
No, it demands obedience to a book. If God came down and personally told
me how I should behave, then I would say that I would be doing God's will
by doing it. However, if preachers, pastors, and evangelists tell me to
obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to
two millenia (even longer for the OT), even if I follow everything in it
with my heart, I could scarcely be honest with myself by saying I'm doing
the will of God.
: Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is
: their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too.
Well, if God respects it so much, how come there is talk in the Bible about
eternal damnation for non-believers? I see little respect eminating from
the god of the Bible. I see a selfish and spiteful god.
: God be with you,
Not yours, thanks ;)
: Malcolm Lee :)
Rob Lanphier
lanphi872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu
lanph872@uidaho.edu
And for the curious, here is my earlier post: | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
: I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a
: really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a
: Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec.
: <BOOM!> Whooooooooshhhhhh...... <sputter, sputter>
: <okay, PRETEND it would make a sound!>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just a thought... (let's pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn't
there be a large static electricity build up around the puncture?
If the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the
deflating balloon would generate electrical interference - "noise"
By the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a "Bugs
Bunny" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to "BOOM", and the fabric
would almost certainly be ripstop.
| 14 | sci.space |
: There are chips which perform the voice compression/expansion. They can't
: be expensive, because they exist in many phones connected to PBXs or on the
: PBX line cards, as well as in a lot of equipment which compresses
: voice-grade circuits to save the cost of long-distance, leased T1s or
: satellite circuits.
: I can't remember the generic term for these chips. My impression is that
: this was a big deal 10 years ago, but circuits have gotten so cheap that
: it isn't done much now.
Codecs. They have to get about 6:1 compression on 8 bit samples to squeeze
them down v32bis. I played around with the lossless 'shorten' program
last night, but it only managed 2.5:1. I've got some specimen CELP code
but it's not obvious that it runs in real time; I think it's just proof-of-
concept code, and I have some mucking about with file formats to do before
I can put my own sample through it.
Looks like the current option is to use a voice-mail modem with built-in
DSP chip to do this in hardware. That means two modems for a system,
putting the cost at $600 upwards. Ouch. Maybe soon we'll be able to
do it in software on high-powered games consoles - isn't the 3DO an
Acorn RISC machine inside? That cpu runs like shit off a shovel... and
will be nicely mass-market too. | 11 | sci.crypt |
Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at
least 10 at bats.
It is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years
leader was Frank Thomas at 0.682.
Teams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each
player has his team preceeding his name.
The equations used are found at the end of the post.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.
Kevin
League OPI: 0.448
League BA: 0.268
League SLG: 0.405
League OBA: 0.341
Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA
-----------------------------------------------------
1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615
2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538
3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655
4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632
5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545
6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500
7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567
8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533
9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476
10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522
11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333
11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500
13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455
14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424
15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529
15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292
17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455
18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471
19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524
20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379
21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458
22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375
23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478
24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500
25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421
26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407
27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300
28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458
29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308
30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375
31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455
32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348
32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478
34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375
35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400
36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412
37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377
38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273
39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429
39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423
41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292
42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417
43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350
44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385
45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406
46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429
47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417
48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448
49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370
50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333
51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412
52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412
53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377
54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333
55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412
56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412
57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370
58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400
59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360
60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400
61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312
62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320
63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364
64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357
65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348
66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304
67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333
68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364
69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391
70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333
71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417
72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314
73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391
74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367
75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379
75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361
77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450
78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280
79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318
79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289
81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333
82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336
83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316
84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364
85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355
86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345
87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336
88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300
89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343
90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315
91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350
91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298
93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273
94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333
95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188
96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250
97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280
98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333
99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294
100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333
101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291
102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304
103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261
104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294
105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233
106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188
107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292
107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286
109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258
110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304
111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353
111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214
113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294
114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308
115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258
116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280
117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304
118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286
119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286
120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269
121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235
121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214
123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261
124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308
124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333
126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231
127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286
128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278
129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273
130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310
130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167
132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250
133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231
133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231
135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150
136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286
137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267
138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190
139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192
140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143
141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158
142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182
143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143
144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091
145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154
145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154
147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133
148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158
149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095
0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)
OPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------
AB - H
BA = H / AB
SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB
OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB) | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
I am not an expert in the cryptography science, but some basic things
seem evident to me, things which this Clinton Clipper do not address.
The all pertain to opportunites for abuse, and conclusions based on what
I have seen the membership of this group (except for two notable persons)
agree to. If anything bad is possible by the government in theory, it
almost always ends up happening in fact. So the key is to make abuse
IMPOSSIBLE. Question authority, and remember power DOES corrupt.
I think one has to regard this whole idea in the sense that it WILL be
expanded to include other data forms, such as data transfer and stored
data. and as such should be treated as if it were expanded (or such
expansion will be almost impossible to stop, using Clipper as a precident).
There was a hint of that in the proposal, remember. That said, please
bear with me, I am not very articulate, so I take more words to say
what others could say much more briefly. Thank you.
As I suggested this is NOW. The hint is in the proposal that this or
similar proposals are being considered for other forms of encryptions
such as data transfer, data files, and such, largely dependent on how
this thing is accepted or flies. I think one would be wise to treat
this in the manner one would when (not if) it gets expanded to other
areas than cellular phones. I think this is guaranteed to happen, if
this proposal gets by. Salami politics. It has been and is used in
several other areas, it is certain to be used here. Government is not
going to easily give up on the idea that they should be able to eavesedrop
whenever they want to. 'Court order required' has proven to be a rather
flimsy guarantee. If the case warrants, they can always sieze the
material, and force one to give the key, or sit in jail forever on
periodically renewed contempt charges. So it is not denying the justice
system the information, nor the ability to lock someone up if guilty
(or refuses to divulge the means to access the info - this is not
protected under the Fifth - one can be forced to perform ACTS that would
result in divulging incriminating evidence). So, blocking restrictions
on private encryption is not preventing LEGITIMATE law enforcement - it
does make ILLEGITIMATE law enforcement a bunch more difficult. Especially
fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the
right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton
and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,
figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through). How come
those consulted could be roughly described as "us insiders"? They cannot
quietely IMPLIMENT it though, when they ban other schemes to ensure its
exclusive use. Hence the nice PR document to try and reassure everyone.
Don't buy into it. Has government really earned that kind of trust,
past or future? To be secure and free, one must keep government honest
and the only way to do that is to make abuse IMPOSSIBLE, not 'unlikely'
or 'difficult'.
So what? One could use information gained by re-use of the keys (saved
after the last case was finished) or other means (master key, backdoor,
easily broken algorithm) to find other evidence which, given to a judge,
would authorize a tap which wouldn't have been possible otherwise. This
has been the more common manner of abuse of wiretaps in the past... For
local cops, this might be workable to keep them honest, but the Feds
have a workaround somehow, BET on it. Does anyone really believe
for example, that the government will use a scheme NSA cannot listen
in on scanning for keywords - either easily defeated in realtime or
via a 'master key'? I sure don't.
This whole thing sounds like something to eliminate the need to use
old-fashioned police work to build a case. In the past, eavesdropping
was rather easy (with or without a court order). I think the Law
Enforcement community has become a bit spoiled, and will resist changes
that require them to revert to using old-fashioned detective work. I
just find it somewhat surprising coming from a bunch that cares so much
about civil and individual rights, that "puts people first". The question
is "put people first" to WHERE?
With the innards not being revealed, how is one to be sure there DOESN'T
exist a 'master key' for use by NSA, etc (so they can do their keyword
scan, etc on conversations they routinely monitor, without a specific
court order)? Remember, the cellular phone limitiation is only TEMPORARY.
Bet on it. And so far I have not heard about police telling people that
they have been tapped and nothing incriminating was found. What is to
keep them from simply keeping the keys on file for 'next time'? After
awhile, they would have quite a collection. Kept especially for folks
they deem 'disruptive'. And if they get only one key, that would
reduce the search space a lot, unless it is an RSA scheme. Remember
Nixon years? Need for court orders really slowed them down, didn't it?
And unless the escrow accounts are not government controlled (fat chance!
I see one ending up being under, say Treasury, the other under Justice
:-)) it could be worth some serious bucks to some folks to get keys to
a competitor's Clinton Clipper (or descendent when this idea is expanded
to be used for all non-government encryption). Enough bucks would get
one the keys or the innards for this algorithm. Perhaps not an important
concern, but given past government behavior and the other problems...
What will one do when it is expanded to data storage encryption? You
can BET that if Clipper is accepted, that will be next on the agenda.
It is even hinted at in the proposal - read it carefully... Expect the
argumet "well, if you got nothing to hide..." Fine. Then using that
argument, one should not object to video cameras being installed in
every room of one's home. Granted - an exteme expansion of the idea but
the principle holds. Private stuff should remain private, even from a
govt fishing expedition. And laws/rules may change in the future as
to 'safeguards'. When it comes to the Fed Government, safeguards are
pretty meaningless, if they want to do/get something.
Don't work so hard to give up some rather treasured rights, or establish
bad precidents, please. The price could be hell to pay, later.
People would fight laws forbidding more NOW, but in, say two years,
because we have this 'crisis' situation which MUST be addressed by some
'drastic action', just this added reasonable restriction will only bother
those who have someting to hide... etc. Please don't buy into it.
If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public
so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few
isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a
certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected
experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was
advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the
experts examine is the same as what will end up being used in the Clipper
Chip, if it is kept secret? Perhaps the Clipper will use a crippled
version (with a 'master key' provision), or features not present in the
version subjected for study and evaluation by the experts. And who
chooses the expertes? The government? No conflict of interest there...
:-)
And isn't it a REQUIREMENT for any decent encryption scheme that it NOT
have its effectiveness reduced by having the algrorithm widely known?
I was lead to believe that one should assume the other side has everything
you have, except for the key(s)... I recall ideas presented to this
group are rejected if a requirement exists the algorithm be secret...
Another question - since it is a safe bet this Clipper thing would not
be used for government security, they are regarding it as not real secure
but "good enough" for common folk. I think I would like to see a full
description (not a PR non-statement) of just what "good enough" means?
I think when saying how strong it is, "good enough" really means "not
very". The excuse that other countries have these restrictions is not
acceptable: Other countries do not have our Bill of Rights and
Constitution (which the people, not the governments, of those other
countries often regard with envy - what we have as rights they have as
revokable privileges). And if we expect to retain those rights and
protections, we must not allow them to be gutted because we just GOTTA
have this thing to 'fight crime'. We have allready have our Bill of
Rights pretty much torn to shreds. We should not permit more weakining
for yet another 'noble cause', instead we should be trying to repair
the damage. Our crime problem may have a number of causes, but "too
many rights and safeguards" is not a signifigant one. A broken court
system and poor police work are a much more signifigant cause as having
"too many rights" (disregarding addressing the root causes for crime,
etc).
BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe
this: I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed
this thing. It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights
under the Constitution or Bill of Rights. The last couple of decades
have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the
Constitution. It has to stop. Now is as good a time as any, if it
isn't too late allready.
| 11 | sci.crypt |
From mikefran Wed Apr 21 10:55:39 EDT 1993
Article: 56 of csc.general
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From: mikefran@wam.umd.edu (Michael Francis)
Subject: Car for Sale
Message-ID: <1993Apr21.142729.7039@wam.umd.edu>
Keywords: 1981 Volkswagon Scirocco
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1981 Volkswagon Scirocco
Gold exterior and interior
5 speed transmission
AM/FM Stereo with cassette
Sunroof
Engine in good condition
New Tires
Needs $300 work on front left control arm because of damage caused by
pothole.
Runs well
Asking $800.00 AS IS / OBO. | 6 | misc.forsale |
Is there an FTP archive for United States Geological Services (USGS)
terrain data? If so, where?
| 1 | comp.graphics |
No need to correct it, it stands as it is said.
You miss the point entirely. Things defined by contradictory language
do not exist. Though something existing might be meant, conclusions
drawn from the description are wrong, unless there is the possibility
to find the described, and draw conclusions from direct knowledge of
the described then. Another possibility is to drop the contradictory
part, but that implies that one can trust the concept as presented
and that one has not got to doubt the source of it as well.
Neither am I. But either things are directly sensed (which includes
some form of modelling, by the way) or they are used in modelling.
Using something contradictive in modelling is not approved of.
Wonder why? | 0 | alt.atheism |
The runner can leave his base at any time. If the ball is caught,
he's got to tag up. If it isn't caught, he _doesn't_ have to tag up at
all. So, if he's feeling lucky, your runner at second can sprint for glory
as soon as the ball is popped up. If it isn't caught, he's probably scored
a run. If it is, he's probably headed for AAA.
The only effect the infield fly has is to make the batter out,
thereby removing the force on the runners on base. All other rules apply,
as if you were standing second with first open and the ball is popped up.
| 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
It's still in the pub/pc/win3/uploads directory as qvtnet34.zip.
| 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Unfortunately, I am one of the "negative-impaired". The
above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move
off course. Of course.
;-) Michael | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
I hear George Bush (remember him?) will receive an honors degree from
some Kuwaiti University for contributing to certain Kuwaiti interests
not too long ago. Do you think it would add much to his resume? ;-)
| 5 | comp.windows.x |
Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's
"qualifications" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany,
show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that.
| 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
Sounds liek what the FED has to do is sign a 50 or more year lease to use
certain parts of a space station that is built and designed and such by a
commerical company or consortium of companies (such as like Alyeska) for a
small amount of rent in return for certain incentives and such.. Such as tax
and other right off and also a monopoly on certain products.. The commerical
builders would have certain perks given to them to make there end easier (taxes
, contracts, regulatory concesions and such..)
Is it workable, just might work..
After all, if China can lease out Hong Kong and the people of Hong Kong can
make money, this could work.. | 14 | sci.space |
Brand new, still shrink wraped Stealth 24 for sale $150 plus shipping
and COD.
Specifications:
Based on S3 801/805 32bit coporcessor, 1024x768x256 72Hz Ni, 800x600x64K NI,
640x480x16million NI, system requires 386 or 486 based ISA or VESA VL-BUS,
with fast TurboWindows drivers for 3.1 and other drivers for other popular
softwares like WP, Microsoft Word,Lotus,AutoCad. | 6 | misc.forsale |
I think you are running Xapollo , it's a X11R3 server ...
If you want a X11R4 server you should install PSKQ3 (10.3.5) or 10.4
so you can run Xdomain .
In XKeysymDB you could add :
! Apollo specific keysyms
!
apLineDel : 1000FF00
apCharDel : 1000FF01
apCopy : 1000FF02
apCut : 1000FF03
apPaste : 1000FF04
apMove : 1000FF05
apGrow : 1000FF06
apCmd : 1000FF07
apShell : 1000FF08
apLeftBar : 1000FF09
apRightBar : 1000FF0A
apLeftBox : 1000FF0B
apRightBox : 1000FF0C
apUpBox : 1000FF0D
apDownBox : 1000FF0E
apPop : 1000FF0F
apRead : 1000FF10
apEdit : 1000FF11
apSave : 1000FF12
apExit : 1000FF13
apRepeat : 1000FF14
apKP_parenleft : 1000FFA8
apKP_parenright : 1000FFA9
--
Victor .
\ /
^ ^
______victor@hpfrcu03.france.hp.com_______oOOo_o_oOOo_________________
Victor GATTEGNO | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Pardon me for being a little confused, but at the beginning of your second
paragraph, you say, "God has one set of rules for all his people," yet at the
end of the same paragraph you declare, "please do not combine the ceremonial
and moral laws in one." Not only do I not understand where in the Bible you
find the declaration that there are 2 laws (ceremonial and moral), but I am
also unclear on whether you think it is bad to have 2 sets of laws in the first
place. If it's bad to have 2 sets of laws, how can there be a ceremonial law
that is different from the moral law (and vice versa)?
I would also be interested in your comments on the passage in I Cor. 10:1-16,
where Paul teaches different rules for covering you head while praying
depending on whether you are a man or a woman. Do you think the apostles can
prescribe different sets of rules for men and women? If so, then why not for
Jews and Gentiles? Also, why did Paul, who was so opposed to circumcising
Gentiles, voluntarily circumcise Timothy? | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the
best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if
possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Steven
--
"And hope that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space" Monty Python
" 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth" The Meaning of Life | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A senior State Department official on Tuesday
ruled out any softening of U.S. attitudes toward Iraq but said relations
with Iran's Islamic regime could improve substantially if that
government disassociates itself from international terrorism.
``Despite the name-calling and the harsh rhetoric from across the
Gulf, despite all this, we do not take a position of permanent hostility
towards the Islamic Republic of Iran,'' David Mack, deputy assistant
secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, said.
The primary U.S. objection is ``Iran's international behaviour''
which includes ``extending support of violence'' to disrupt the Arab
Israeli peace process and its rapid build-up of dangerous weapons.
Mack said ``Iran could contribute to regional stability and peace but
first it is to end the behaviour which threatens this area.''
Mack spoke at the U.S.-GCC business conference aimed at promoting
Gulf-American trade. He said the ``Middle East will be an item very high
on the agenda of the U.S. administration.''
The importance of the Gulf is underlined by Secretary of State Warren
Christoper's visit last year to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before anywhere
else in the world, Mack said. He added that the U.S. has no long-term
plan to station troops in the Gulf.
Mack also insisted that the Clinton administration will continue to
pressure Iraq to ``comply with all the U.N. Security resolutions.''
``As long as Iraq is ruled by Saddam Hussein we do not expect
compliance,'' Mack told delegates.
| 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
I am looking for software to run on my brand new Targa+ 16/32. If anyone knows
of any sites which have useful stuff, or if you have any yourself you want to
give, let me know via mail. Thanks a LOT! Yayayay!
jamie@ddsw1.mcs.com
| 1 | comp.graphics |
I've got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550C from Word
for Windows.
History: when I had a Deskjet 500, I had to modify the macro so that
it would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that
interferred with printing envelops. That bug is still present, however...
Now: the problem I have is that my DeskJet 550 print driver (came with
the printer I bought in December) still wants to print the envelops in
PORTRAIT mode. However, the DeskJet 550 feeds envelops the from the
narrow end (i.e. landscape mode). How do I get the printer to print
the envelops in the correct orientation?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not post this to the net since:
(a) due to end of the semester cruch, I can't keep up on these groups,
and (b) I will summarize the best answer(s) to the net anyhow! | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
8 | rec.motorcycles |
|
1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
home team in CAPS *=if necesary
=============================================
FIRST ROUND
Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins
Gm 1: Springfield 3 PROVIDENCE 2
Gm 2: Springfield 5 PROVIDENCE 4
Gm 3: 4/16 Providence at Springfield
CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings
Gm 1: Last night, CDI at Adirondack
Gm 2: 4/17 CDI at Adirondack
Gm 3: 4/18 Adirondack at CDI
Gm 4: 4/21 Adirondack at CDI
Gm 5: 4/23 CDI at Adirondack *
Gm 6: 4/24 Adirondack at CDI *
Gm 7: 4/26 CDI at Adirondack *
Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers
Gm 1: 4/16 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 2: 4/17 Baltimore at Binghamton
Gm 3: 4/23 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 4: 4/24 Binghamton at Baltimore
Gm 5: 4/26 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Gm 6: 4/28 Binghmaton at Baltimore *
Gm 7: 4/30 Baltimore at Binghamton *
Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans
Gm 1: 4/16 Utica at Rochester
Gm 2: 4/17 Utica at Rochester
Gm 3: 4/20 Rochester at Utica
Gm 4: 4/22 Rochester at Utica
Gm 5: 4/24 Utica at Rochester *
Gm 6: 4/26 Rochester at Utica *
Gm 7: 4/28 Utica at Rochester *
Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs
Gm 1: St John's 4 Moncton 2
Gm 2: 4/17 Moncton vs St John's at Halifax
Gm 3: 4/21 St John's at Moncton
Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens
Gm 1: Fredericton 4 Cape Breton 3 (2OT)
Gm 2: 4/16 Cape Breton at Fredericton
Unfortunately the newspaper didnt list complete playoff skeds for
series that already began. Also, the paper has not listed final
standings so their posting might be delayed until early next
week (Hockey News). | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Neil Gehrels is Prof. Tom Gehrels son. Tom Gehrels was the discoverer
of P/Gehrels 3 (as well as about 4 other comets - the latest of which
does not bear his name, but rather the name "Spacewatch" since he was
observing with that system when he found the latest comet).
---------------------------------------------
Jim Scotti
{jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu}
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721 USA | 14 | sci.space |
Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications
has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted
sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to
prevent asthma); Vancenase. | 13 | sci.med |
We have a user that has Word 5.0 and is using symbols such as pi and
other mathematic sysmbols, plus doing fractions, etc.
The document shows up on the screen with no problems, looks fine.
When she tries to print it on a IIg the pi changes to an upside down
caret, and several other symbols change to double quotes at bottom of
character, plus some little circles appear between words of the fractions
instead of spaces.
This happens on a IIg laser printer. Tried it on serveral macs and two
different IIg's.
Prints fine on an NT and NTX laser printers.
What's wrong???
Thanks for any help in advance,
Gary
--
***************************************************************************
Gary Weis
University Computer Center
400 Hal Greer Boulevard
Huntington, West Virginia 25755-5320
Phone: (304) 696-3205
Fax : (304) 696-3601
Internet: Gary@marshall.wvnet.edu
Bitnet : Gary@marshall
UCC Net : Gary | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Is there any one know:
What is the FTP tool for Windows and where to get the tool ?
Thanks for any help !! | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on
women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding. They do mention who
makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as
well. Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge.
-- | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
This is not the case: the ROM on the P9000 supports VESA modes of up to
1024x768 in 256 colors. VESA-compliant applications should have no trouble
setting these modes. (But I'm forwarding your posting to our Software group,
just in case. Can't be too careful.) Not that I doubt that YOUR applications
are failing to run; lots of stuff depends on figuring out which exact SVGA
they're looking at, and don't use VESA calls (VESA is still pretty new).
Every new chip set confuses them.
I think we go to AT LEAST 76 Hz at 1024x768x8, and maybe more (and
it's a function of the RAMDAC speed, not the Power 9000). We need to
fix the problems you've noted (they were already on the list). If
you're really interested, though, take a look at the text file
P9000RES.DAT, which holds the data from which the choices in the
P9000 monitor installation program are built. Working by analogy,
you can build up a new monitor definition that has the right
combinations of refresh rates for your monitors. Keep a backup copy
of the file! Once you've built a new version of the P9000RES.DAT
file, run the P9000 installation program, INST, and your new choices
should show up. (This assumes you have the WEITEK v. 2.2 drivers.
You can tell the rev number by looking at the modification time of
the driver: 02:20 is version 2.20. Microsoft uses this gimmick,
too.)
The SPEEDY benchmark was put out by Hercules and IIT, who to my
knowledge were unencumbered by any motivations except making the
Hercules Graphite/IIT AGX014 card look really good. So I'd take the
numbers with a ton of salt. (Texas Instruments did the same thing
with WINTACH, trying to make the 34020 look good compared to the
8514, as if anyone cared.) It's safer (though not safe) to use
benchmarks from "unbiased" sources, such as testing labs, columnists,
etc.
I think you'll a large discrepancy between the results of SPEEDY and
the results of anything else in the universe on these things.
Font caching is a perfectly legitimate optimization -- Windows has
hooks for it built right into the GDI. What's kind of silly is IIT's
use of a hardwired "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog then
sat on a tack" string in their driver. Not only is it useless in
real applications, it lacks the programming elegance of the "Bart
Simpson optimization," in which you save the bitmap of the
most-recently drawn string in off-screen memory, and just do a
screen-to-screen bitblit if you happen to be given that same string a
second time in a row. (We call it the "Bart Simpson optimization"
because Bart's the only person we can see benefiting from it: he
could right "I will not cheat on benchmarks" a hundred times and be
done in half the time it would take to actually form each character.)
We don't have any lawyers -- they're all working for Intel. There
used to be a lawyer in Montana who didn't, but he died.
-- Robert
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |