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Re: The absurdities of life.
It was a kick when an apt manager kept mailing me a notice that I owed
them .08. I just waited to see how many times they'd mail me a notice. 7
times by the time I left and paid them the .08. Funny thing was, I lived
right behind the office where it was mailed from. (:
Cindy
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
>
>
> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now).
> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing
> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33.
>
> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together.
> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there
> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed
> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu
> of being returned pennies.
>
> I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the
> check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to
> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues.
>
>
> Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't
> even make a phone call these days.
>
> *boggled*
> BB.
>
>
--
"I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn
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Re: The absurdities of life.
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
--]I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the
--]check, burn it, or cash it in.
I framed my 2$ check from mp3.com. Someone bought the Cd I have up there
some years back and it is my real and actual proof in saying I am a paid
musician. Of course I never cashed the check so techinaly I never did get
paid...but thats another matter alltogther.
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And yet more absurdity.
I knew it'd be a day for insanity.
so anyway, news.com decided to write up two wonderful articles on the
DMCA and decided to link to decss.exe, the very verboten code that
ended up getting 2600 (but none of the other news services that
originally linked) spanked.
Slashdot, of course, links to them.
So now, I link to slashdot.
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/1331217.shtml?tid=123
I find this all incredibly funny really. Congress _and_ the courts
relaly do need to be considering how laws such as the DMCA are
applied. For the most part, these rules are coming down to whose
friend you happen to be, how nefarious the defendant party is, and how
asleep the judge is behind the case (asleep/self-interested/bought).
Its giving me a real cynical view on being a lawyer, thats for sure.
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Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors
Dave Long wrote:
>><http://www.iht.com/articles/72079.htm>
>>
>>
>>>"The United States is the only country in the world to tax its citizens
>>>on a worldwide basis, ...
>>>
>>>
>
>I am told this is also true (at least)
>for Australia. I suppose I shouldn't
>rely upon editorial fact-checking.
>
>::::::
>
>
>
>> If they manage to emulate the process
>>that occurred in Northern Ireland, then maybe in 20 years or so
>>they'll be yelling at each other across the floor of some legislative
>>assembly instead. Label me an optimist.
>>
>>
>
>Since "let's you and him fight" worked
>so remarkably poorly in Ireland, there
>must've been plenty of places it worked
>well for the British to have tried it
>again in Israel. What were they?
>
>-Dave
>
>
I'm not sure what you mean by "let's you and him fight", but it is
important to remember that England was in control of Ireland
for 300 years, and that it was only thanks to the distraction of WW I
that the south managed to gain its independence. If you mean
splitting countries upon arbitrary lines and assigning different groups
to opposite sides of the line, it also seems to have not worked in
India/Pakistan.
I suppose Canada, which is supposed to be a "loose confederation" of 2
founding nations (French and English) can be cited as a success. The
jury is still out, but so far only a few brief rebellions and
referendums and such, still together after 130+ years.
Owen
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Quick, Outlaw Touching
I know I heard of this a few years back but Wired and Slashyrot are both
running stories on 10mbs data transfer via human touch.
Oh I can see it now, The first bicostal file exchange system that will see
the newsest Offspring tunes distribute by handshake, copulation and
moshpiting.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992891
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5239758%255E13762,00.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/0238234.shtml?tid=100
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Re: Quick, Outlaw Touching
Hello Tom,
Monday, October 7, 2002, 4:45:02 PM, you wrote:
T> I know I heard of this a few years back but Wired and Slashyrot are both
T> running stories on 10mbs data transfer via human touch.
T> Oh I can see it now, The first bicostal file exchange system that will see
T> the newsest Offspring tunes distribute by handshake, copulation and
T> moshpiting.
T> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992891
T> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5239758%255E13762,00.html
T> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/10/07/0238234.shtml?tid=100
Wow. I'm just wondering how the earliest adopter of all new
technologies, the porn market will spin this one...
"New... Now you can transfer porn while you screw!' Talk about
exchanging energy.
--
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RE: The absurdities of life.
They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an
insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been
$.02.
Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the
alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies
to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they
could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer
starts adding up.
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
> bitbitch@magnesium.net
> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now).
> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing
> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33.
>
> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together.
> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there
> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed
> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu
> of being returned pennies.
>
> I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the
> check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to
> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues.
>
>
> Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't
> even make a phone call these days.
>
> *boggled*
> BB.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net
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Re[2]: The absurdities of life.
JH> They are legally required to do that. I got a similar check because an
JH> insurance company didn't pay a claim quickly enough. It might have been
JH> $.02.
JH> Although they spent lots more than $.33 to mail you the check, the
JH> alternative seems to be to keep the money. Do you really want companies
JH> to have a financial incentive to over-bill you 'just a bit' so they
JH> could keep it? For a company with millions of customers, $.33/customer
JH> starts adding up.
Christ, you sound worse than me.
What I -said- in my post, John, was that instead of having to dole out
stupid refunds, I'd rather they save the costs incurred, knock off one
of those bullshit surcharges that they inevitably charge for promoting
services like these, and move on. SOmething tells me, it'd balance
out. Problem is, they're silly, they don't want to do this, and
rather than the legislation coming up with an affective means of
controlling the situation (overcharging) they impose silly
requirements like this.
>> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
>> bitbitch@magnesium.net
>> So I get a check from Pac Bell today (SBC as they're called now).
>> Turns out, they went to the trouble of printing out, signing, sealing
>> and stamping a check just to refund me for a whole $0.33.
>>
>> They easily spent more than this just getting the materials together.
>> Why the hell do companies bother to do this crap? I mean, isn't there
>> a bottom line in terms of cost effectiveness? I don't think I missed
>> the .33, but I sure as hell would have appreciated lower rates in lieu
>> of being returned pennies.
>>
>> I'm truly stuck on this though. I don't know whether to frame the
>> check, burn it, or cash it in. Maybe I should find a way to return to
>> sender, so they have to spend -more- money on giving me my .33 dues.
>>
>>
>> Does .33 even buy anything anymore? Funny bit of it, is I couldn't
>> even make a phone call these days.
>>
>> *boggled*
>> BB.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> bitbitch mailto:bitbitch@magnesium.net
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Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 12:48, Owen Byrne wrote:
> I suppose Canada, which is supposed to be a "loose confederation" of 2
> founding nations (French and English) can be cited as a success. The
> jury is still out, but so far only a few brief rebellions and
> referendums and such, still together after 130+ years.
Alberta, and to a lesser extent some of the other Western provinces, is
definitely not happy with the current arrangement. Some of this has to
do with the strange way the Canadian government is structured. When I
was last up in Alberta (a month ago), the newspapers were reporting
something like 70% of Albertans favor separating from Canada, and over
several distinct issues.
The problem is basically that while Alberta is an economic powerhouse
that is propping up the weaker economies of the Eastern provinces, their
interests are openly and unapologetically ignored by the government in
Ottawa. While Alberta sends something like twice the tax dollars to
Ottawa per capita of the average Canadian, they only have token
representation in the federal government. While I'm not clear on
exactly how the government works up there, representation is not
entirely based on population, and it works out that some eastern
provinces with populations smaller than the city of Calgary alone have
substantially more representatives in the legislature than the entire
province of Alberta.
The long and the short of it is that the eastern provinces use Alberta
as a personal ATM machine for their social programs while not even so
much as throwing Alberta a bone, and are able to do so because even the
sparsely populated eastern provinces can out-vote Alberta despite having
fewer people. Or something like that. The Canadian government is less
restricted than the US government, so they can do strange things, like
having restrictive regulations that only apply to certain provinces,
Alberta being on the receiving end of many such obscenities. It is
essentially a much worse version of what is happening in the
inter-mountain West of the US. Unlike the US case though, the rest of
Canada would really be hurting if they weren't receiving all those tax
dollars from Alberta. OTOH, Alberta would probably thrive.
I have friends in Alberta, and visit occasionally, but I'm not totally
clear on everything that goes on in that country, due to my partial
unfamiliarity with how the government works up there, so I'm a little
fuzzy on some of the details. What I do know is that on average the
Albertans are quite unhappy with their current position in Canada and
the sentiment has been getting worse over the years.
Cheers,
-James Rogers
jamesr@best.com
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why is decentralization worth worrying about?
Why am I so passionate about decentralization? Because I believe some of
today�s most profound problems with networked applications are caused by
centralization.
Generically, a centralized political or economic system permits only one
answer to a question, while decentralization permits many separate
agents to hold different opinions of the same matter. In the specific
context of software, centralized variables can only contain one valid
value at a time. That limits us to only representing information A)
according to the beliefs of a single agency, and B) that changes more
slowly than it takes to propagate. Nevertheless, centralization is the
basis for today�s most popular architectural style for developing
network applications: client-server interaction using request-response
communication protocols.
I believe these are profound limitations, which we are already
encountering in practice. Spam, for example, is in the eye of the
beholder, yet our email protocols and tools do not acknowledge the
separate interests of senders and receivers. Slamming, for another,
unfairly advantages the bidder with the lowest-latency connection to a
centralized auction server. Sharing ad-hoc wireless networks is yet a
third example of decentralized resource allocation. Furthermore, as
abstract as centralization-induced failures might seem today, these
limits will _not_ improve as the cost of computing, storage, and
communication bandwidth continue to plummet. Instead, the speed of light
and human independence constitute _fundamental_ limits to centralized
information representation, and hence centralized software architecture.
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Re: lifegem
Chris Haun wrote:
> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the carbon of
> your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful life.
Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in
the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond.
- Joe
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Property rights in the 3rd World (De Soto's Mystery of Capital)
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
> Long
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:12 AM
> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism
>
>
>
> When I'd read that "getting legal title
> can take 20 years", when I believe that
> 1 year ought to be more than sufficient,
> (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd
> assumed that we were talking about the
> urban poor.
>
> If I see people living in mansions, or
> even in suburban subdivisions, I assume
> they didn't have too much trouble with
> their titles.
Pg 177:
In another country, a local newspaper, intrigued by our evidence of
extralegal real estate holdings, checked to see if the head of state's
official residence had a recorded title. It did not.
Pg 92:
The value of land in the formal sector of Lima averages US$50 per square
meter, whereas in the area of Gamarra, where a great deal of Peru's
informal manufacturing sector resides, the value per square meter can go
as high as US$3,000.
==========
I'd have made the same assumption you did. De Soto says that isn't
correct. You can find mansions that don't have title. A lot of them,
in fact. But they can't be used for collateral for a loan, or otherwise
participate as 'capital' because of their extra-legal status.
> > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.
>
> On the "to find" list. Any chance of
> an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in
> the meantime?
French historian Fernand Braudel (so Braudel's Bell Jar, not De Soto's)
==>
The key problem is to find out why that sector of society of the past,
which I would not hesitate to call capitalist, should have lived as if
in a bell jar, cut off from the rest; why was it not able to expand and
conquer the whole of society? ... [Why was it that] a significant rate
of capital formation was possible only in certain sectors and not in the
whole market economy of the time? ... It would perhaps be teasingly
paradoxial to say that whatever was in short supply, money certainly was
not ... so this was an age where poor land was bought up and magnificent
country residents built ... [How do we] resolve the contradiction ...
between the depressed economic climate and the splendors of Florence
under Lorenzo the Magnificent?
--------------
De Soto's theory is that the Bell Jar is formed when you segregate those
who have *practical* access to legal property rights and those who do
not. The poor[1] have property -- lots and lots of property. What they
don't have is access to the systems where we turn property into capital
and allow it to start growing. Their property can only be exchanged
with a small section of people who know them personally.
[1] Actual poor people, not 'poor' Americans with a living standard that
is the envy of most of the world.
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Re: The case for spam
Political mail (the snail kind) doesn't bother me. I like it a lot of the
time, because as crap as it is at least it's not the kind of info you get
on TV. Particularly for small time local politics, it's the best way to
get information.
but what matters is that mail is speech, and political email has to be as
well protected as any other political speech. Spam is *the* tool for
dissident news, since the face that it's unsolicited means that recipients
can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.
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Re: Entrepreneurs
On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Robert Harley wrote:
--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly
--]nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".
--]
So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed
true until proven false, and then hold other data to the opposite
standard...
Yeah, I see how that could be a handy tool RH.
(before teh lablemongers are out and about, I could give a shit what
BubbaU utters, its all shite. Kill your idols folks, your slips are
showing)
-tom
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Re: Entrepreneurs
I wrote:
>I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac
>going to Brighton.
Actually it doesn't say that they did, just that Blair spoke to
Williams there.
R
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Re: revocation of grlygrl201@
bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true
> that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just
> dandy.
Funny you should mention that, as I just came back from refilling
the green coolant in my Navi.
> (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to)
I guess I don't get any points, do I? No, didn't think so.
- Joe
P.S. We've just started watching Boogiepop Phantom...
--
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protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can
be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.
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Re: revocation of grlygrl201@
On Sun, 1 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote:
> Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true
> that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy.
> Especially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and
> placed herself unto another, but hey :-))
Bandwidth is bandwidth. AOL is still the only mom-friendly place to get it.
> *ducks and runs*
What, like i'm not skilled with a bow? You better run really fast :-P
> (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to)
Well lets see, about 99% of all anime? In anime dead people can talk, email,
hang out, and generally lead normal lives. Come to think of it they tend to
be the primary characters ;)
But I suspect you mean Serial Experiments Lain, in which the initial "i'm
not dead yet" is via email.
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Re: [SAtalk] SA and Patented Ideas (was: SA In The News)
At 8:43 PM -0700 8/21/02, Ed Greenberg wrote:
>At 11:19 PM 8/20/2002 -0700, dan@dankohn.com wrote:
>
>>The nature of our patent is about putting a warrant mark in RFC 2822
>>X-headers (or in the body) to allow senders to warrant their mail as
>>*not-spam*, and then to use copyright and trademark infringement to
>>enable Habeas to enforce that warranty.
Why is it that I envision Verisign doing something like this. Yeah,
like I want Verisign to sign all my spam, er, mail for me. Pay them
enough and they'd probably sign spam too. ;)
J
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Re: [SAtalk] SA In The News
On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Matthew Cline wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:57 pm, Harold Hallikainen wrote:
> > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,54645,00.html
>
> Summary: a company will offer short snippets of original, copyrighted
> and trademarked text that can be inserted into email message headers,
> and email filters can recognize this as a "not-spam" indicator. Any
> spammers who use the text will be sued for copyright and trademark
> infringement.
They may be in for a patent fight before any of this goes forward:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,476558,00.asp
"Banking on the fact that few enterprises sending commercial mail want to
be associated with spam, IronPort Systems Inc., in San Bruno, Calif., has
developed the Bonded Sender program in an effort to give legitimate bulk
e-mailers some credibility."
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[SAdev] Body Test Question /d ?
Suppose I created a rule that was in this form:
body RULE_NAME /text to delete/d
Would the "/d" delete this text from the body and mask it from the rest of the
rules? If so - I'm thinking about applying it to Yahoo and SN and Juno ads so
that FPs are reduced.
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Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive
At 3:59 PM +0100 8/22/02, Justin Mason wrote:
>Justin Shore said:
>
>> I just ran across a false positive that scored 8.6. The message was
>> a solicited ad from Apple.com on educator deals. I can send a copy
>> if anyone wants it.
>
>Yes, please do send it on, and I'll add it to the non-spam corpus.
To any particular address? I checked the lists page but didn't see
an address to see a FP to.
>To date, the scores evolved by SpamAssassin are very biased towards
>non-HTML, non-newsletter-ish mail. This release should be different, as
>I've been spending the last month signing up a "nonspamtrap" to every
>legit newsletter I can find ;)
That's understandable. HTML mail is the worst thing since female
shoe sales at the mall. ;-) Signup for the cruisercustomizing.com
newsletter. Great place to find and review motorcycle parts. :)
>This should mean that tests which match common-enough newsletter practices
>will no longer get such high scores once we re-run the GA.
Sound pretty slick. If I come across any more legit newsletters,
I'll send them your way.
Thanks for the info
Justin
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[SAtalk] procmail help
I'm fairly confused here, with Procmail.
I know this isn't a procmail list per-se; feel free to answer my questions in
private email to r_gilmanhunt@hotp.com.
I've looked for web-stuff to answer this question but I can't find anything
specific on this scenario.
Here's the situation.
I have a global /etc/procmailrc file. It works, and when I insert stuff into
it for logging (LOGFILE=/root/procmail.log, VERBOSE=yeah. LOGABSTRACT=all) it
shows up where I expect it to (the log in /root/procmail.log) At the end of
this file, I use
:0fw
| spamc
to call spamassassin.
Also in it is a carboncopy recipe (yes, I know, it's one of the evils we do
for our corporate masters) (at the top) (to their credit, I am instructed
that they are not interested in the actual contents, but are concerned about
future lawsuits and their culpability, so they want a record made. Discussion
on this point is immaterial)
:0
* ? test -d $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR || mkdir -p --mode=750 $ARCHIVEDIR/$DATEDIR
{ }
:0 c
$SAVEAT
I have several users where I forward certain spams to /dev/null . . .their
procmailrc file (/home/$user/.procmailrc) looks like this:
:0
* ^From: .*spermfun.com
/dev/null
Now I've got a person who needs a copy of her inbound emails sent to another
email address (outside the company), so I've got this recipe in her
/home/$user/.procmailrc file:
:0 c
!user@domain.tld
It almost looks like procmail's not running a user's copy recipe after a
global copy recipe, except that I can replace that user's one with
:0
* ^Subject: .*test
procmail.holder
and get the same result.
The result, to put it succinctly, is "nothing". No forwards go out, no files
are made, if I try to log information, no logs are set up. I've modified the
user/group and permissions to match known-working recipes (the spermfun
example above) and still nothing. However, I can redirect those other
messages. In other words- just this user's procmailrc file is not working-
other users have no problems.
Any suggestions would be helpful :)
-Russ
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Re: [SAtalk] Highest-scoring false positive
Interesting. It's possible, of course, that the shitty economy
is hurting the spammers as much as anyone else. But if you've
been aggressively reporting, then it could just be that. Could
be your upstream ISP is being more aggressive too...
C
On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 05:02 PM, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> ...what these plots *don't* show is the drop from ~55
> mails/daily to ~30
> daily that I've seen at work, since 1st week of May, when spam receipts
> peaked. Not sure if it's aggressive reporting that's getting us off
> lists, or if other people are seeing similar.
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Re: [SAdev] 2.40 RELEASE PROCESS: mass-check status, folks?
Theo Van Dinter said:
> > nonspam-theo.log
>
> Hmmm. I did re-run mass-check and resubmit... I sort the log by score,
> so the timestamp is at the end:
ah, OK. didn't see that.
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Re: [SAtalk] 2800 sightings this month
At 1:16 PM -0400 8/22/02, Theo Van Dinter wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:05:33PM +0200, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
>> Ummm... has somebody noticed that spamassassin-sightings is the fourth most
>> active list for this month on [1]? There is more sighting than talk and
>> devel together ;-)
>
>hmmm. do people know that they should only send false negatives there?
>either there's a lot of stuff SA is missing, or some people are just
>sending all their spam there.
I've sent in some spam that either didn't score or scored practically
nothing, like below 5. I figure that most people run at 5 so if it
scores less than that, a rule needs to be honed to catch it.
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Re: [SAdev] Integrating SA with Mail::CheckUser ?
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 the voices made Justin Mason write:
> > The perl-module Mail::CheckUser implements a smtp-callback and I hope
> > it might be integrated rather easily.
> > Has this extension been discussed before (and perhaps rejected)?
> > Or perhaps someone is already planning to implement it?
> > Or would you be interested to integrate a smtp-callback-patch in
> > SpamAssassin if contributed by my department? We would not be to happy
> > about such a patch which we had to manage and integrate with SA in the
> > future, but I believe a one-time contribution would be no problem.
How'd this deal with you running SA on an account where all the mail from some
domain on another server ends up?
/Tony
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DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw
bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best,
Rohit
===========================================================
DataPower delivers XML acceleration device
By�Scott Tyler Shafer
August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT
DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed
specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that
process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in
hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance,
according to company officials.
The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a
family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The
DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology
called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML
data.
According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was
conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future
proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two
businesses.
"Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure," Kelly said.
"The XA35 is the first of a family."
Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up
to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on
application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best
alternative.
In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount
importance in the world of XML.
"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only," Kelly
said. "A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall.
Firewalls are blind to XML today."
Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on
security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.
According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML
processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company
itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed
and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to
creating a solution that would process XML in hardware.
"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code," said Kelly,
adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly
said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with
technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes
will be mostly false.
Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer)
accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet,
while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes
and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.
The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of
XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language
as they pass through the device.
The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load
balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify
and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.
In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application
co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular
control over what data is inspected and the application server itself
controls the device.
DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup
Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in
May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a
focus on content processing and acceleration.
The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The
company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in
field trails at a number of other enterprises.
=========================================================================
DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was
founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who
foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols
would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML
grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and
designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique
requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software
interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing
is still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today.
Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from
developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar
and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In
2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3�), the
industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.
Today, XG3� technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML
network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web
Services. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of
products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology,
providing an immediate return on technology investments to
industry-leading customers and partners.
DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that
brings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries,
drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including
Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.
=========================================================================
DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding
Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer
in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the
leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced
that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for
this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed
Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius,
and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower�s Board of
Directors.
DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and
sales of the company�s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking.
Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the world�s first intelligent XML
networking�devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions
at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services
and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower�s solutions are based on
its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology.
"Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and
intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill
prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type.
DataPower�s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of
XML that is required to support next generation enterprise
applications," said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower
Technology.
"DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that�s critical to Web
services projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance." A single
DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10
servers�breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML
processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In
addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security,
protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of
e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing
between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.
"In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require
laser-focused scrutiny. DataPower�s patent-pending technology addresses
a very real and growing pain point for enterprises," said Michael
Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. "By turbo-charging their networks with
DataPower�s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be
free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering
performance and security pitfalls."
"We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly
growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and
security," said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. "DataPower is on
their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML
Generation Three (XG3)�technology was quite simply the single most
compelling technology solution we have seen to date."
"XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious
about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been
developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web
services," said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. "DataPower�s
XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely
on XML for mission critical applications."
About Venrock Associates
Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the
Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs
that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered
early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments
over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track
record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology-
based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the
United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with
talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies.
Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting
entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their
consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related
opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of
contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing
organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software,
USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick,
Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York
City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to
respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock
Associates, please visit www.venrock.com
About Mobius Venture Capital
Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5
billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an
unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers,
senior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from
the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes
primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications
systems software and services; infrastructure software and services;
professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics;
consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging
technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise
and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to
create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high
technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by
visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.
About Seed Capital Partners
Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with
SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces.
Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing
Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology
opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the
southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed
Capital�s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions
and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please
visit www.seedcp.com.
About DataPower Technology
DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware
network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and
manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower�s patent-pending
XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology powers the industry�s first
wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications
and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its
third generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology
investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is
privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius
Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.
CONTACT:
DataPower Technology, Inc.
Kieran Taylor
617-864-0455
kieran@datapower.com
Schwartz Communications
John Moran/Heather Chichakly
781-684-0770
datapower@schwartz-pr.com
========================================================================
Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO
During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has
built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting
services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of
several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an
entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of
Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing
functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere
Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly
was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and
managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues
grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure.
Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and
grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the
largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information
Systems from Bentley College.
Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO
Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to
address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded
DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an
intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation
applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT
Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He
was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room
Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of
the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer.
He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of
hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory
management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and
application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical
engineering from MIT.
Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology
Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol
optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO
of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that
was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks;
Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon,
Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now
Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology
development and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications,
developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the
ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder,
original software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a
leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the
fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune
magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical
and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force
(IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science
from the University of Massachusetts.
Bill Tao, vice president of engineering
With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and
extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25
years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts.
Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for
Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network
switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization
techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at
InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance
engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held
senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao
received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of
Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of
Illinois.
Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing
Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional,
industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was
the director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies
(NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the
company's initial positioning and led the technical development and
go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service.
Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to
secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management
positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was
previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks
editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds
a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School
of Communications.
=================================================================
Board of Advisors
Mark Hoover
Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up
accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry,
Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business
development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell
Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where
he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as
10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet
traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.
George Kassabgi
Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has
held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and
has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server
marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking
engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro,
Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a
venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject
Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.
Marshall T. Rose
Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He
formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who
oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of
several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management,
Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in
four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core
Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies
(such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and
Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.
| 0 |
RE: The Curse of India's Socialism
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
James
> Rogers
> Subject: Re: The Curse of India's Socialism
>
> On Tue, 2002-08-20 at 15:01, Ian Andrew Bell wrote:
> > They
> > finished their routine with the a quadruple lutz -- laying off
> > hundreds of thousands of workers when it all came crashing down.
>
> So what? Nobody is guaranteed employment. Laying people off is not a
> crime nor is it immoral. Companies don't exist to provide employment,
> nor should they. The closest we have to such a thing in the US is a
> Government Job, and look at the quality THAT breeds.
And further, why focus on the fact they were laid off and not on the
fact they were hired in the first place?
BTW: I saw someone claim that aside from the efficiency of the market
there were also gains to society from irrational behavior.
If a society has business people that systematically overestimate their
chances, that is bad for the businessmen but on net a big gain for
society. On the social level, the law of averages works to societies
benefit in a manner it can't for an individual.
A key reason, in this view, that the US wound up outperforming England
was that the English investors were too rational for their societies own
good.
(Except, of course, when US investors were bilking them to build canals
and railroads over here. Thanks, guys.)
=====================
Applied to telecom: a lot of dark wire (glass) and innovation will
eventually be used for pennies on the dollar, the benefits to society
and the costs to the investors.
| 0 |
Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote:
>
> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device
> designed specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing
> solutions that process XML data in software, DataPower's
> device processes the data in hardware -- a technology
> achievement that provides greater performance, according to
> company officials.
>
Sarvega seems to have a similar product. http://www.sarvega.com.
| 0 |
RE: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
If it's not stateful, it wouldn't seem to be worth the effort, although I guess it might help with DDoS attacks.
Sounds snake-oilish to me, but I'm biased by lots of experience with firewalls and proxy servers, and the limitations thereof.
Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rohit Khare [mailto:khare@alumni.caltech.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:00 PM
> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
> Subject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
>
>
> No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But
> here's the raw
> bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best,
> Rohit
>
> ===========================================================
>
> DataPower delivers XML acceleration device
> By�Scott Tyler Shafer
> August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT
>
> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed
> specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that
> process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes
> the data in
> hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater
> performance,
> according to company officials.
>
> The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the
> first in a
> family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based
> startup. The
> DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology
> called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML
> data.
>
> According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was
> conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future
> proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data
> between two
> businesses.
>
> "Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure," Kelly said.
> "The XA35 is the first of a family."
>
> Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the
> file size up
> to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on
> application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best
> alternative.
>
> In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount
> importance in the world of XML.
>
> "Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only," Kelly
> said. "A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall.
> Firewalls are blind to XML today."
>
> Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on
> security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.
>
> According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML
> processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach
> the company
> itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with
> regards to speed
> and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to
> creating a solution that would process XML in hardware.
>
> "Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code," said Kelly,
> adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly
> said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with
> technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that
> he believes
> will be mostly false.
> Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer)
> accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes
> of a packet,
> while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at
> 1,400 bytes
> and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.
>
> The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large
> collection of
> XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the
> markup language
> as they pass through the device.
>
> The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load
> balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and
> will identify
> and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.
>
> In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an
> application
> co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators
> more granular
> control over what data is inspected and the application server itself
> controls the device.
>
> DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging
> market. Startup
> Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega
> XPE switch in
> May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off,
> launched with a
> focus on content processing and acceleration.
> The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at
> $54,995. The
> company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in
> field trails at a number of other enterprises.
>
> ==============================================================
> ===========
>
> DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs
> since it was
> founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who
> foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols
> would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry
> interest in XML
> grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and
> designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique
> requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was
> a software
> interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML
> processing
> is still licensed by many companies for use in their own
> products today.
>
> Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from
> developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team
> raised the bar
> and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built
> hardware. In
> 2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3�), the
> industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.
>
> Today, XG3� technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML
> network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web
> Services. While other companies are just now marketing first
> versions of
> products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology,
> providing an immediate return on technology investments to
> industry-leading customers and partners.
>
> DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that
> brings decades of experience in the networking and computing
> industries,
> drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including
> Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.
>
> ==============================================================
> ===========
>
> DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding
>
> Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital
> Back Pioneer
> in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services
>
> CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the
> leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced
> that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for
> this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital
> and Seed
> Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham,
> of Mobius,
> and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower�s Board of
> Directors.
>
> DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development,
> marketing and
> sales of the company�s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware
> networking.
> Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the world�s first intelligent XML
> networking�devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and
> transactions
> at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web
> services
> and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower�s solutions are based on
> its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology.
>
> "Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and
> intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill
> prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type.
> DataPower�s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed
> processing of
> XML that is required to support next generation enterprise
> applications," said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower
> Technology.
>
> "DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that�s
> critical to Web
> services projects without sacrificing an ounce of
> performance." A single
> DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10
> servers�breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML
> processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In
> addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security,
> protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of
> e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load
> balancing
> between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.
>
> "In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require
> laser-focused scrutiny. DataPower�s patent-pending technology
> addresses
> a very real and growing pain point for enterprises," said Michael
> Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. "By turbo-charging their networks with
> DataPower�s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be
> free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering
> performance and security pitfalls."
>
> "We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing
> the rapidly
> growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and
> security," said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital.
> "DataPower is on
> their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML
> Generation Three (XG3)�technology was quite simply the single most
> compelling technology solution we have seen to date."
>
> "XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious
> about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999,
> DataPower has been
> developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web
> services," said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. "DataPower�s
> XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for
> enterprises that rely
> on XML for mission critical applications."
>
> About Venrock Associates
> Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the
> Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs
> that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered
> early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments
> over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an
> established a track
> record of identifying and supporting promising early stage,
> technology-
> based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the
> United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with
> talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies.
> Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting
> entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their
> consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related
> opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of
> contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of
> developing
> organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint
> Software,
> USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick,
> Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices
> in New York
> City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well
> positioned to
> respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information
> on Venrock
> Associates, please visit www.venrock.com
>
> About Mobius Venture Capital
> Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5
> billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an
> unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs,
> technology pioneers,
> senior executives from major technology corporations, and
> leaders from
> the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes
> primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications
> systems software and services; infrastructure software and services;
> professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare
> informatics;
> consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging
> technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology
> expertise
> and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to
> create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high
> technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by
> visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.
>
> About Seed Capital Partners
> Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with
> SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet
> market forces.
> Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing
> Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology
> opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the
> southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and
> Israel. Seed
> Capital�s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies,
> Concentric Visions
> and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please
> visit www.seedcp.com.
>
> About DataPower Technology
> DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware
> network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance,
> security and
> manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower�s
> patent-pending
> XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology powers the industry�s first
> wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed
> applications
> and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now
> delivering its
> third generation of technology, providing immediate return on
> technology
> investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is
> privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius
> Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.
>
> CONTACT:
>
> DataPower Technology, Inc.
> Kieran Taylor
> 617-864-0455
> kieran@datapower.com
>
> Schwartz Communications
> John Moran/Heather Chichakly
> 781-684-0770
> datapower@schwartz-pr.com
>
> ==============================================================
> ==========
>
> Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO
>
> During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has
> built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting
> services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of
> several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an
> entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was
> co-founder of
> Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service
> and marketing
> functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to
> create Unisphere
> Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly
> was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he
> built and
> managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's
> annual revenues
> grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure.
> Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he
> managed and
> grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the
> largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information
> Systems from Bentley College.
>
> Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO
>
> Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to
> address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded
> DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an
> intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support
> next-generation
> applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT
> Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He
> was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room
> Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of
> the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple
> Computer.
> He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of
> hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory
> management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and
> application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical
> engineering from MIT.
>
> Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology
>
> Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in
> protocol
> optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was
> co-founder and CTO
> of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching
> routers that
> was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks;
> Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks.
> Before Argon,
> Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now
> Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology
> development and managed a group that generated 24 patent
> applications,
> developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the
> ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was
> co-founder,
> original software director and architect for Wellfleet
> Communications, a
> leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the
> fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years
> by Fortune
> magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical
> and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force
> (IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in
> Computer Science
> from the University of Massachusetts.
>
> Bill Tao, vice president of engineering
>
> With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and
> extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao
> brings over 25
> years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts.
> Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for
> Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional
> optical network
> switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization
> techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at
> InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance
> engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held
> senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao
> received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of
> Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of
> Illinois.
>
> Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing
>
> Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional,
> industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower,
> Taylor was
> the director of product management and marketing for Akamai
> Technologies
> (NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped
> develop the
> company's initial positioning and led the technical development and
> go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service.
> Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to
> secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing
> management
> positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was
> previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks
> editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication.
> Taylor holds
> a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State
> University School
> of Communications.
>
> =================================================================
> Board of Advisors
>
> Mark Hoover
> Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up
> accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking
> industry,
> Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business
> development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell
> Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay
> Networks, where
> he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as
> 10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet
> traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.
>
> George Kassabgi
> Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr.
> Kassabgi has
> held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and
> marketing, and
> has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server
> marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking
> engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions
> in JavaPro,
> Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition
> to being a
> venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject
> Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.
>
> Marshall T. Rose
> Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He
> formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task
> Force (IETF)
> Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who
> oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of
> several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management,
> Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in
> four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core
> Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI
> technologies
> (such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and
> Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.
>
>
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Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
On 27 Aug 2002 at 15:00, Rohit Khare wrote:
> DataPower delivers XML acceleration device
> By�Scott Tyler Shafer
> August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT
>
Intel also had a similar device a couple of years ago (Netstructure). They have, afaik, abandoned it.
Intel is still in the XML hardware game though. On 8/19 they spun off a company named Tarari. Tarari develops hardware to check the headers of IP packets. Tarari calls
this Layer 7 processing (atop the OSI model). From what I can tell, Tarari plans to combine virus scanning and XML acceleration into a single hardware device.
| 0 |
RE: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
Hardware acceleration for SSL makes sense since PKI can slow down a
transaction by as much as 1,000-fold. Per this article, XML formatting only
increases doc size by about 20-fold.. I'm not sure there are enough "powers
of ten" in there to justify hardware acceleration.
Expect the next major release from DataPower to be the revolutionary new
"email chip" - allows you to offload the sending and receiving of email
messages onto dedicated hardware while you get on w/ more important things
.. like listening to MP3s..
Best,
Paul Sholtz
-----Original Message-----
From: Rohit Khare
To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
Sent: 8/27/02 3:00 PM
Subject: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
No analysis yet... don't know what to make of it yet. But here's the raw
bits for all to peruse and check out what's really going on... Best,
Rohit
===========================================================
DataPower delivers XML acceleration device
By�Scott Tyler Shafer
August 27, 2002 5:46 am PT
DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed
specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that
process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in
hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance,
according to company officials.
The new device, dubbed DataPower XA35 XML Accelerator, is the first in a
family of products expected from the Cambridge, Mass.-based startup. The
DataPower family is based on a proprietary processing core technology
called XG3 that does the analysis, parsing, and processing of the XML
data.
According to Steve Kelly, CEO of DataPower, the XA35 Accelerator was
conceived to meet the steady adoption of XML, the anticipated future
proliferation of Web services, and as a means to share data between two
businesses.
"Our vision is to build out an XML-aware infrastructure," Kelly said.
"The XA35 is the first of a family."
Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up
to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on
application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best
alternative.
In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount
importance in the world of XML.
"Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only," Kelly
said. "A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall.
Firewalls are blind to XML today."
Future products in DataPowers family will focus more specifically on
security, especially as Web services proliferate, Kelly said.
According to DataPower, most existing solutions to offload XML
processing are homegrown and done in software -- an approach the company
itself tried initially and found to be inadequate with regards to speed
and security. After trying the software path, the company turned to
creating a solution that would process XML in hardware.
"Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code," said Kelly,
adding that to his knowledge no other company's solution does. Kelly
said in the next few months he expects the market to be flooded with
technologies that claim to do XML processing -- claims that he believes
will be mostly false.
Other content-aware switches, such as SSL (secure socket layer)
accelerators and load balancers, look at the first 64 bytes of a packet,
while the XA35 provides deeper packet inspection, looking at 1,400 bytes
and thus enabling greater processing of XML data, Kelly explained.
The 1U-high network device has been tested against a large collection of
XML and XSL data types and can learn new flavors of the markup language
as they pass through the device.
The XA35 can be deployed in proxy mode behind a firewall and a load
balancer, and it will inspect all traffic that passes and will identify
and process those packets that are XML, Kelly said.
In addition to proxy mode, the device can also be used as an application
co-processor. This deployment method gives administrators more granular
control over what data is inspected and the application server itself
controls the device.
DataPower is not the only company chasing this emerging market. Startup
Sarvega, based in Burr Ridge, Ill., introduced the Sarvega XPE switch in
May, and earlier this month Tarari, an Intel spin-off, launched with a
focus on content processing and acceleration.
The DataPower device is now available, priced starting at $54,995. The
company has announced one customer to date and says the product is in
field trails at a number of other enterprises.
========================================================================
=
DataPower has been addressing enterprise networking needs since it was
founded in early 1999 by Eugene Kuznetsov, a technology visionary who
foresaw the adverse effects XML and other next generation protocols
would have on enterprise networks. Long before industry interest in XML
grew, Kuznetsov assembled a team of world-class M.I.T. engineers and
designed the industry's first solutions to address the unique
requirements for processing XML. The first such solution was a software
interpreter called DGXT. This software-based approach to XML processing
is still licensed by many companies for use in their own products today.
Leveraging the detailed knowledge and customer experience gained from
developing software-based accelerators, Kuznetsov's team raised the bar
and designed a system for processing XML in purpose-built hardware. In
2001, DataPower's effort produced XML Generation Three (XG3�), the
industry's fastest technology for XML processing, bar none.
Today, XG3� technology powers the industry's first wire-speed XML
network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications and XML Web
Services. While other companies are just now marketing first versions of
products, DataPower is delivering its third generation of technology,
providing an immediate return on technology investments to
industry-leading customers and partners.
DataPower's M.I.T. heritage is complemented by a management team that
brings decades of experience in the networking and computing industries,
drawing veteran leaders from several successful companies including
Akamai, Argon, Cascade, Castle Networks, Sycamore and Wellfleet.
========================================================================
=
DataPower Technology Secures $9.5 Million in Funding
Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed Capital Back Pioneer
in XML-Aware Networking for Web Services
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. - July 8, 2002 - DataPower Technology, Inc., the
leading provider of XML-Aware network infrastructure, today announced
that it has secured $9.5 million in series B financing. Investors for
this round include Venrock Associates, Mobius Venture Capital and Seed
Capital Partners. Michael Tyrrell, of Venrock, Bill Burnham, of Mobius,
and Jeff Fagnan, of Seed Capital, have joined DataPower�s Board of
Directors.
DataPower will use this funding to accelerate development, marketing and
sales of the company�s breakthrough technology for XML-Aware networking.
Founded in 1999, DataPower invented the world�s first intelligent XML
networking�devices, capable of transforming XML traffic and transactions
at the wire-speed enterprises need to effectively embrace Web services
and other XML-centric initiatives. DataPower�s solutions are based on
its patent-pending XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology.
"Enterprises are adopting XML at rapid rate to facilitate inter-and
intra-company communications but their network infrastructure is ill
prepared to support the requirements of this new traffic type.
DataPower�s XML-acceleration devices enable the wirespeed processing of
XML that is required to support next generation enterprise
applications," said Eugene Kuznetsov, CTO and founder of DataPower
Technology.
"DataPower gives companies the ability to use XML that�s critical to Web
services projects without sacrificing an ounce of performance." A single
DataPower acceleration engine delivers the processing power of 10
servers�breaking the performance bottleneck associated with XML
processing and delivering an extraordinary return on investment. In
addition, the DataPower platform provides enhanced XML security,
protection against XML-based denial-of-service attacks, connection of
e-business protocols for incompatible XML data streams, load balancing
between back-end servers and real-time statistics reports.
"In the post-bubble economy, technology investment decisions require
laser-focused scrutiny. DataPower�s patent-pending technology addresses
a very real and growing pain point for enterprises," said Michael
Tyrrell of Venrock Associates. "By turbo-charging their networks with
DataPower�s unique XML-Aware networking technology, companies will be
free to adopt next generation Web services without encountering
performance and security pitfalls."
"We looked long and hard for a company capable of addressing the rapidly
growing problems surrounding XML message processing performance and
security," said Bill Burnham of Mobius Venture Capital. "DataPower is on
their third generation of technology. Their patent pending XML
Generation Three (XG3)�technology was quite simply the single most
compelling technology solution we have seen to date."
"XML is not a nice-to-have, it is a must have for enterprises serious
about optimizing application efficiency. Since 1999, DataPower has been
developing solutions to facilitate enterprise use of XML and Web
services," said Jeff Fagnan of Seed Capital Partners. "DataPower�s
XML-acceleration devices are a key requirement for enterprises that rely
on XML for mission critical applications."
About Venrock Associates
Venrock Associates was founded as the venture capital arm of the
Rockefeller Family and continues a tradition of funding entrepreneurs
that now spans over seven decades. Laurance S. Rockefeller pioneered
early stage venture financing in the 1930s. With over 300 investments
over a span of more than 70 years, the firm has an established a track
record of identifying and supporting promising early stage, technology-
based enterprises. As one of most experienced venture firms in the
United States, Venrock maintains a tradition of collaboration with
talented entrepreneurs to establish successful, enduring companies.
Venrock's continuing goal is to create long-term value by assisting
entrepreneurs in building companies from the formative stages. Their
consistent focus on Information Technology and Life Sciences-related
opportunities provides a reservoir of knowledge and a network of
contacts that have proven to be a catalyst for the growth of developing
organizations. Venrock's investments have included CheckPoint Software,
USinternetworking, Caliper Technologies, Illumina, Niku, DoubleClick,
Media Metrix, 3COM, Intel, and Apple Computer. With offices in New York
City, Cambridge, MA, and Menlo Park, CA, Venrock is well positioned to
respond to opportunities in any locale. For more information on Venrock
Associates, please visit www.venrock.com
About Mobius Venture Capital
Mobius Venture Capital, formerly SOFTBANK Venture Capital, is a $2.5
billion U.S.-based private equity venture capital firm managed by an
unparalleled team of former CEOs and entrepreneurs, technology pioneers,
senior executives from major technology corporations, and leaders from
the investment banking community. Mobius Venture Capital specializes
primarily in early-stage investments in the areas of: communications
systems software and services; infrastructure software and services;
professional services; enterprise applications; healthcare informatics;
consumer and small business applications; components; and emerging
technologies. Mobius Venture Capital combines its technology expertise
and broad financial assets with the industry's best entrepreneurs to
create a powerhouse portfolio of over 100 of the world's leading high
technology companies. Mobius Venture Capital can be contacted by
visiting their web site www.mobiusvc.com.
About Seed Capital Partners
Seed Capital Partners is an early-stage venture fund affiliated with
SoftBank Corporation, one of the world's leading Internet market forces.
Seed Capital manages funds focused primarily on companies addressing
Internet-enabled business-to-business digital information technology
opportunities, which are located in the Northeastern U.S., the
southeastern region of the Province of Ontario, Canada, and Israel. Seed
Capital�s portfolio includes Spearhead Technologies, Concentric Visions
and CompanyDNA. For more information on Seed Capital Partners, please
visit www.seedcp.com.
About DataPower Technology
DataPower Technology provides enterprises with intelligent XML-Aware
network infrastructure to ensure unparalleled performance, security and
manageability of next-generation protocols. DataPower�s patent-pending
XML Generation Three (XG3�) technology powers the industry�s first
wirespeed XML network devices, enabling secure, high-speed applications
and XML Web Services. Founded in 1999, DataPower is now delivering its
third generation of technology, providing immediate return on technology
investments to industry-leading customers and partners. DataPower is
privately held and based in Cambridge, MA. Investors include Mobius
Venture Capital, Seed Capital Partners, and Venrock Associates.
CONTACT:
DataPower Technology, Inc.
Kieran Taylor
617-864-0455
kieran@datapower.com
Schwartz Communications
John Moran/Heather Chichakly
781-684-0770
datapower@schwartz-pr.com
========================================================================
Steve Kelly, chairman and CEO
During over twenty years in the technology industry, Steve Kelly has
built and managed global enterprise networks, provided consulting
services to Fortune 50 businesses, and been involved in the launch of
several start-ups. Prior to DataPower, Kelly was an
entrepreneur-in-residence at Venrock Associates, and was co-founder of
Castle Networks, where he led the company's sales, service and marketing
functions. Castle was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere
Networks, which was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Kelly
was an early contributor at Cascade Communications, where he built and
managed the company's core switching business; Cascade's annual revenues
grew from $2 million to $300 million annually during Kelly's tenure.
Kelly also worked at Digital Equipment Corporation where he managed and
grew their corporate network to 50,000+ nodes in 28 countries, the
largest in the world at the time. Kelly has a B.S. in Information
Systems from Bentley College.
Eugene Kuznetsov, founder, president and CTO
Eugene Kuznetsov is a technology visionary that has been working to
address enterprise XML issues since the late 90s. Kuznetsov founded
DataPower Technology, Inc. in 1999 to provide enterprises with an
intelligent, XML-aware network infrastructure to support next-generation
applications. Prior to starting DataPower, Kuznetsov led the Java JIT
Compiler effort for Microsoft Internet Explorer for Macintosh 4.0. He
was also part of the team which developed one of the first clean room
Java VM's. This high-speed runtime technology was licensed by some of
the industry's largest technology companies, including Apple Computer.
He has consulted to numerous companies and worked on a variety of
hardware and software engineering problems in the areas of memory
management, power electronics, optimized execution engines and
application integration. Kuznetsov holds a B.S. in electrical
engineering from MIT.
Steve Willis, vice president of advanced technology
Steve Willis is an accomplished entrepreneur and a pioneer in protocol
optimization. Prior to joining DataPower, Willis was co-founder and CTO
of Argon Networks, a provider of high-performance switching routers that
was acquired by Siemens AG in 1999 to create Unisphere Networks;
Unisphere was subsequently purchased by Juniper Networks. Before Argon,
Steve was vice president of advanced technology at Bay Networks (now
Nortel Networks) where he led both IP and ATM-related technology
development and managed a group that generated 24 patent applications,
developed a 1 Mbps forwarding engine and led the specification of the
ATM Forum's PNNI routing protocol. Most notably, Steve was co-founder,
original software director and architect for Wellfleet Communications, a
leading pioneer of multi-protocol routers. Wellfleet was rated as the
fastest growing company in the U.S. for two consecutive years by Fortune
magazine. Willis is currently a member of the Institute of Electrical
and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) and the Internet Research Task Force
(IRTF) Routing Research Group. Willis has a B.D.I.C. in Computer Science
from the University of Massachusetts.
Bill Tao, vice president of engineering
With a vast understanding of network optimization technologies and
extensive experience in LAN and WAN networking, Bill Tao brings over 25
years of critical knowledge to lead DataPower's engineering efforts.
Prior to DataPower, Tao was the vice president of engineering for
Sycamore Networks, developing a family of metro/regional optical network
switches. He is also well acquainted with network optimization
techniques as he was previously vice president of engineering at
InfoLibria, where he led development and software quality assurance
engineering for a family of network caching products. Tao has held
senior engineering positions at NetEdge, Proteon, Codex and Wang. Tao
received a B.S. in Electrical Engineering from the University of
Connecticut and an M.S. in Computer Science from the University of
Illinois.
Kieran Taylor, director of product marketing
Kieran Taylor has an accomplished record as a marketing professional,
industry analyst and journalist. Prior to joining DataPower, Taylor was
the director of product management and marketing for Akamai Technologies
(NASDAQ: AKAM). As an early contributor at Akamai, he helped develop the
company's initial positioning and led the technical development and
go-to-market activities for Akamai's flagship EdgeSuite service.
Taylor's early contribution helped position the service provider to
secure a $12.6 billion IPO. He has also held senior marketing management
positions at Nortel Networks, Inc. and Bay Networks. Taylor was
previously an analyst at TeleChoice, Inc. and the Wide Area Networks
editor for Data Communications, a McGraw Hill publication. Taylor holds
a B.A. in Print Journalism from the Pennsylvania State University School
of Communications.
=================================================================
Board of Advisors
Mark Hoover
Mark Hoover is President and co-founder of Acuitive, Inc., a start-up
accelerator. With over 20 years experience in the networking industry,
Hoover's expertise spans product development, marketing, and business
development. Before launching Acuitive, Hoover worked at AT&T Bell
Laboratories, AT&T Computer Systems, SynOptics, and Bay Networks, where
he played a role in the development of key technologies, such as
10-BASET, routing, FDDI, ATM, Ethernet switching, firewall, Internet
traffic management, and edge WAN switch industries.
George Kassabgi
Currently Vice President of Engineering at BEA Systems, Mr. Kassabgi has
held executive-level positions in engineering, sales and marketing, and
has spearheaded leading-edge developments in the application server
marketplace since 1996. He is widely known for his regular speaking
engagements at JavaOne, as well as columns and contributions in JavaPro,
Java Developer's Journal and other publications. In addition to being a
venerated Java expert, George Kassabgi holds a patent on SmartObject
Technology, and authored the technical book Progress V8.
Marshall T. Rose
Marshall T. Rose runs his own firm, Dover Beach Consulting, Inc. He
formerly held the position of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
Area Director for Network Management, one of a dozen individuals who
oversaw the Internet's standardization process. Rose is the author of
several professional texts on subjects such as Internet Management,
Electronic Mail, and Directory Services, which have been published in
four languages. He is well known for his implementations of core
Internet technologies (such as POP, SMTP, and SNMP) and OSI technologies
(such as X.500 and FTAM). Rose received a PhD in Information and
Computer Science from the University of California, Irvine, in 1984.
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Re: DataPower announces XML-in-silicon
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Rohit Khare wrote:
> DATAPOWER TECHNOLOGY ON Monday unveiled its network device designed
> specifically to process XML data. Unlike competing solutions that
> process XML data in software, DataPower's device processes the data in
> hardware -- a technology achievement that provides greater performance,
> according to company officials.
Now, to do this, we all know they have to be cracking the strong crypto used
on all transaction in order to process them... So this has some preaty heavy
implications, unless it's just BS.
> Kelly explained that converting data into XML increases the file size up
> to 20 times. This, he said, makes processing the data very taxing on
> application servers; DataPower believes an inline device is the best
> alternative.
Or.... you could just not bloat it 20x to begin with. Nah! (that was the
whole point of XML afterall, to sell more CPUs - much like Oracle's use of
Java allows them to sell 3x more CPU licenses due to the performance hit)
> In addition to the large file sizes, security is also of paramount
> importance in the world of XML.
>
> "Today's firewalls are designed to inspect HTTP traffic only," Kelly
> said. "A SOAP packet with XML will go straight through a firewall.
> Firewalls are blind to XML today."
Again, see above... they _are_ claiming to decode the crypto...
> "Our XG3 execution core converts XML to machine code," said Kelly,
Mmmmmmmmmmm, machine code, never a good idea ;)
- Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg
http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/
beberg@mithral.com
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Canadians again - something a little more substantive
Politicians worldwide are discovering the internet - what a great tool
for fascism, once you got the laws in place to solve that whole
'anonymity' thing. Also I notice this story shows the truth - the
Canadian government is really located in Washington, DC, Ottawa is just
a branch office. Come to think of it, the last story I posted about
Canada featured the head of its military, 'speaking to us from military
HQ in Palm Beach, Florida.'
Owen
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.
*Will Canada's ISPs become spies?*
By Declan McCullagh <mailto:declan.mccullagh@cnet.com>
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 27, 2002, 12:56 PM PT
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-955595.html
<http://news.com.com/2100-1023-955595.html?tag=prntfr>
*WASHINGTON--The Canadian government is considering a proposal that
would force Internet providers to rewire their networks for easy
surveillance by police and spy agencies.*
A discussion draft <http://www.canada.justice.gc.ca/en/cons/la_al/>
released Sunday also contemplates creating a national database of every
Canadian with an Internet account, a plan that could sharply curtail the
right to be anonymous online.
The Canadian government, including the Department of Justice
<http://canada.justice.gc.ca/> and Industry Canada
<http://www.ic.gc.ca/>, wrote the 21-page blueprint as a near-final step
in a process that seeks to give law enforcement agents more authority to
conduct electronic surveillance. A proposed law based on the discussion
draft is expected to be introduced in Parliament late this year or in
early 2003.
Arguing that more and more communications take place in electronic form,
Canadian officials say such laws are necessary to fight terrorism and
combat even run-of-the-mill crimes. They also claim that by enacting
these proposals, Canada will be following its obligations under the
Council of Europe's cybercrime treaty
<http://news.com.com/2100-1001-268894.html>, which the country is in the
process of considering.
If the discussion draft were to become law, it would outlaw the
possession of computer viruses, authorize police to order Internet
providers to retain logs of all Web browsing for up to six months, and
permit police to obtain a search warrant allowing them to find "hidden
electronic and digital devices" that a suspect might be concealing. In
most circumstances, a court order would be required for government
agents to conduct Internet monitoring.
Canada and the United States are nonvoting members of the Council of
Europe, and representatives from both countries' police agencies have
endorsed the controversial cybercrime treaty
<http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/CadreListeTraites.htm>, which has
drawn protests from human rights activists and civil liberties groups.
Of nearly 50 participating nations, only Albania has formally adopted
<http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/searchsig.asp?NT=185&CM=8&DF=27/08/02>,
or ratified, the treaty.
Michael Geist <http://aix1.uottawa.ca/%7Egeist/>, a professor at the
University of Ottawa who specializes in e-commerce law, says that the
justification for adopting such sweeping changes to Canadian law seems
weak.
"It seems to me that the main justification they've given for all the
changes is that we want to ratify the cybercrime treaty and we need to
make changes," Geist said. "To me that's not a particularly convincing
argument. If there are new powers needed for law enforcement authority,
make that case."
Geist added that "there's nothing in the document that indicates (new
powers) are needed. I don't know that there have been a significant
number of cases where police have run into problems."
Probably the most sweeping change the legal blueprint contemplates is
compelling Internet providers and telephone companies to reconfigure
their networks to facilitate government eavesdropping and data-retention
orders. The United States has a similar requirement, called the
Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act
<http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/calea/calea_law.html>, but it
applies only to pre-Internet telecommunications companies.
"It is proposed that all service providers (wireless, wireline and
Internet) be required to ensure that their systems have the technical
capability to provide lawful access to law enforcement and national
security agencies," according to the proposal. Companies would be
responsible for paying the costs of buying new equipment.
Sarah Andrews, an analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center
<http://www.epic.org/> (EPIC) who specializes in international law, says
the proposal goes beyond what the cybercrime treaty specifies. "Their
proposal for intercept capability talks about all service providers, not
just Internet providers," Andrews said. "The cybercrime treaty deals
only with computer data." EPIC opposes
<http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/cybercrime/coe/ngo_letter_601.htm>
the cybercrime treaty, saying it grants too much power to police and
does not adequately respect privacy rights.
Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of Chiefs
of Police recommends "the establishment of a national database" with
personal information about all Canadian Internet users. "The
implementation of such a database would presuppose that service
providers are compelled to provide accurate and current information,"
the draft says.
Gus Hosein, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and an
activist with Privacy International, calls the database "a dumb idea."
"Immediately you have to wonder if you're allowed to use anonymous
mobile phones or whether you're allowed to connect to the Internet
anonymously," Hosein said.
A representative for George Radwanski
<http://www.privcom.gc.ca/au_e.asp>, Canada's privacy commissioner, said
the office is reviewing the blueprint and does not "have any comments on
the paper as it stands."
Comments on the proposal can be sent to la-al@justice.gc.ca
<mailto:la-al@justice.gc.ca> no later than Nov. 15.
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Re: erratum [Re: no matter ...] & errors
> I'm not sure what you mean by "let's you and him fight", but it is
> important to remember that England was in control of Ireland
> for 300 years ...
Exactly -- "let's you and him fight" is a
way of dealing with troublesome populations
by moving them next to one another, so they
give each other, and not the Man, grief*.
So by my understanding (and, you all will
understand, with tongue firmly in cheek):
Ireland: Irish? Uppity barbarians overly
fond of "risings". Scots? More uppity
barbarians overly fond of "risings".
Why not plonk down a bunch of the latter
next to the former and kill two birds
with one stone?
Israel: Ex-ottomans? Uppity barbarians
(didn't they help kick out the Ottomans?)
Zionists? Uppity sorts who aren't happy
with perfectly good land in Uganda. Why
not plonk down a bunch of the latter next
to the former and kill two birds with one
stone?
but not:
India: in which the muslims and hindus were
originally intermixed to some degree,
but Partioned due to their own conflict,
not due to English resettlement policy.
Canada: in which the french and english were
already established, and it was just the
balance of power on the continent that
determined events in the colonies. The
Acadians got resettled, but they don't
seem to have been that good for picking
fights with their neighbors, so no one
had them plonked down next door.
-Dave
* this works best with a populace who,
given "one man, one vote", immediately
deduce "one less man, one less vote" --
eh, Magnan?
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Netscape 7 Review
This is my Netscape 7.0 Review.
o They finally got the email search speed back up to
where it was in 4.7.x
o Setting up user mail accounts doesn't have that really
odd, sometimes it lets me sometimes it doesn't problem that
previous versions had.
o I still have to manually update all my address books by
hand but at least it lets me import them as Netscape 4.x
address books (there's not 6.x import as they just assume
it works--which it doesn't)
o The mail filters are still broken and have the same problem that
I've tried to report since 4.0.2 where you can't store a mail
filter of the type: Age in days, is greater than, 21 (or some number)
Gawd I'd really wish they'd fix that freakin' bug, it's the single
biggest annoyance that I have with Netscape as it's one of the
most effective anti-spam tools that I have.
o Webex doesn't support Netscape 7.0 and the plugin doesn't
work which causes problems when you want to use Webex to
work on something with someone remotely.
I've given up trying to report bugs and any changes to the
source I send always get lost.
Greg
--
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gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com
Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476
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RE: The Disappearing Alliance
On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 06:48, Frank Bergmann wrote:
>
> A more reasonable explication of the EU - US differences (according
> to some American journalist cited in a German magazine, can someone
> help me?) is that the American public perceives the rest of the world
> basically as a thread, against which you have to defend yourself using
> power.
This is not a correct assessment. The American public couldn't care
less. However, the US intelligence community correctly perceives a
threat, and it isn't the third-world. Many European and other developed
nations aggressively engage in covert operations against American
interests. Its been going on for years and isn't even news. Things
have stepped up in recent years and the US DoD is none too pleased. For
better or worse, the US is relatively good at that game too. As with
most backwater wars, they are proxies for the interests of the big
players.
Find a current list of the top intelligence threats to the US. You'll
find that half the countries on that list are European. Most people are
unaware of how aggressive these things have gotten in recent years.
> On the other hand the Europeans are used to the peace of their cozy
> post-war system where external security is not an issue. All security
> threads can be resolved by giving money to the threatening people
> and to integrate them into the wealthy sphere (Balkan, Palestinians,
> ...)
Bullshit. The European governments ruthlessly suppress real opposition,
obviously some more than others. US SpecOps are often brought in to do
dirty work inside Europe for European governments (usually with
government "advisors" along for the mission). I've always wondered what
the deal was such that we got involved at all. The point being that
we've acted as assassins for European governments inside their borders
against their own citizens under the auspices of those governments, and
in recent years, not ancient history. I know SpecOp guys who left the
military specifically because of the circumstances of some of these
missions while they were posted for that duty. I'm certainly glad I was
never assigned missions in that theater, because there is a lot of
covert nastiness going on in nominally friendly European democracies.
Regardless, giving money to people that threaten you has never created
meaningful peace in the history of civilization. We call it extortion
under any other guise.
> A lot of the current EU - US issues can be explained by this difference
> of perception, such as the current American unilateralism (nobody wants
> to help us!), the American arrogance towards Europe (they don't want to
> do anything, so why should we ask them?) and the growing rejection of the
> American policy in Europe (they want to abolish the law!).
Europe is looking increasingly like a basket case. Whatever problems
the US is having these days, Europe looks worse and is going downhill
faster. Why the US would want to emulate European behavior or the
European way of doing things is beyond me.
The US asking for major policy advice from Europe is like asking a quack
for medical advice. I really don't see what is wrong with "unilateral"
anyway. Why should anyone join a stampede that is heading for a cliff?
I hope the incessant knee-jerk conformist screeching that Americans see
coming from Europe doesn't actually represent the views of Europeans.
For various reasons I'm not exactly a cheerleader for the US government,
but the premises of the argument against them here are lame.
> My personal point is that few Americans (percentage of overall population)
> have ever left their country, while even German construction workers
> regularly spend their holidays in Spain. So I'm not surprised that
> paranoia is growing.
I'm betting you are underestimating the actual percentage. The vast
majority of people I know have lived, worked, and traveled outside the
country at one time or another. And I doubt Europeans have traveled
anywhere near as much in the Western hemisphere as Americans have.
Despite the best efforts of France, Europe is *still* not the center of
the universe. I'll throw you a bone though: most Americans do consider
Europe to be drifting into irrelevancy and therefore ignore it. But
from the perspective of an American, how could you NOT look at it this
way? The impact of Europe on America has diminished greatly over the
years.
I love the smell of Euro-chauvinism in the morning.
First, you assume that the North American continent is ethnically and
culturally homogenous. Anybody that has actually traveled throughout
North America knows this isn't true; there are more than five major and
very distinct cultures and societies in the US alone, never mind the
hundreds of diverse regional sub-populations, some of which are truly
foreign. Apparently Europeans confuse speaking the same language with
having the same culture. That would be like saying Mexico is culturally
identical to Spain because they nominally speak the same language. A
Wyoming rancher has almost nothing in common culturally or socially with
your average person living in San Francisco, despite speaking the same
language and nominally living in the same country. If I want to visit a
wildly different culture for the holidays, I'll go to Oakland, New
Orleans, or similar -- they are far more different from where I live
than some countries I've traveled to. And a lot of these places are
farther from where I live than Spain is from Germany.
Second, the State I live in is the size of Germany. When I travel to a
neighboring State (which I do regularly), how is this not equivalent?
In fact, I probably travel much farther for the holidays than your
German construction workers. If you look at the EU as a single country,
only then does your analogy become comparable. What kind of ridiculous
superiority do Europeans get from having (relatively) tiny countries?
In truth, I find Europe to be about as culturally homogeneous as the
US. There are a lot of cultural similarities across the EU with
relatively minor local deviations that vary with distance in ways very
similar to the US. The only real difference is that Europeans have
dozens of different languages, which is hardly something I would call an
advantage. Although there are a couple parts of the US where I can't
understand a word they are saying either.
-James Rogers
jamesr@best.com
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Re: Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks
I got to see Powell talk in March 2001 at the beginning of his
reign at the FCC. He said they were going to take a real
hands off approach, so it's funny that they would blame
the regulators for causing the collapse. One thing he did
get right, is that he wasn't worried that the US was behind
Europe in the wireless licensing spectrum. This is something
very prescient in that most of those licensors have had to
eat their lunch over the huge licensing costs they paid for
very little benefit. His legacy was/is supposed to be
rethinking the FCC's role to stay out of the way in this
period of business innovation in the wireless space as he
didn't want the government forcing business models onto
the private sector.
His full transcript is here [1]. Interestingly enough I
got to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole
CTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers. Clay and
I hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support
for Craig Barrett [2]. His message was that there's no difference
between wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing.
Instead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable
content (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial
from a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with
the content scaling back for each target platform).
The best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all,
but really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms.
They decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high
roller rooms. They put Clay in one and me in another.
The Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms
anywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-)
Greg
[1] http://www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Powell/2001/spmkp101.html
[2] http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/cb20010320.htm
Rohit Khare wrote:
> I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the
> *FCC Commissioner* fer crissakes! So the following article comes
> recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary
> equivocation.
>
> On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit
>
>> A Trip to F.C.C. World
>>
>> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC
>> Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen
>> that captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's
>> viewed in Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing
>> conventional political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't
>> really a fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that,
>> in essence, Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies,
>> while a Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not
>> how Powell sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many
>> issues, I think he's right to resist the old dichotomy.
>>
>> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who
>> went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some
>> conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and
>> policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's
>> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore
>> administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are
>> dead, and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the
>> foreseeable future. Some may survive, but as small players rather
>> than world-dominators.
>>
>> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is
>> old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those
>> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use
>> different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and
>> open spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment,
>> there is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that
>> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into
>> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will
>> cut back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further
>> pressure for alternatives.
>>
>> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous
>> on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in
>> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past.
>>
>> Friday, October 04, 2002
>> 11:17:11 AM comments {0}
>
>
> ==============================================================
> http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact
>
> THE CHAIRMAN
> by NICHOLAS LEMANN
> He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to.
> New Yorker, October 8, 2002
>
> Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first
> fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the
> whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg
> and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march?
> Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His
> class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big
> beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed,
> there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text
> and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous
> decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American
> history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and
> reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping
> for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation
> of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it
> become possible to see the federal government's main function as
> responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice,
> instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests.
>
> Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty
> speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find
> is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so
> much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real
> estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which
> this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and
> commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's
> an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because
> the public and the press�encouraged by the players, who speak in jargon�
> can't get themselves interested.
>
> One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal
> Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand
> denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate
> commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that
> the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription
> price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they
> grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where
> the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating
> comedy routine by the commission's chairman.
>
> Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that
> Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with
> a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the
> American economy, as well as important aspects of daily life�telephone
> and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now
> F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather,
> because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the
> "corporate scandals" concerns the economic collapse of companies
> regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing,
> among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is
> part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney
> analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the
> embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the
> past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions
> of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a
> dead weight pulling down the entire stock market.
>
> This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state
> of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes
> F.C.C. World's feverish mood ("The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns")
> and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of
> the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I
> just quoted is followed by this explanation: "The ILECs appear likely to
> enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no
> residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10%
> market share loss in business lines to CLECs." It's a lot easier to
> think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that.
>
>
> Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the
> commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially
> intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes
> itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael
> Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards,
> because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State.
> Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which
> generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about
> who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the
> head of a federal agency�he is thirty-nine�and genially charming.
> Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years
> one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the
> F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the
> arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an
> "avid moderate." And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his
> predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell
> to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America,
> calls him "radical and extreme." Just as often as he's accused of being
> a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically
> cautious. "It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire,"
> another former chairman, William Kennard, says. "You have to have an
> answer." One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate
> subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the
> subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated
> him. "You don't care about these regulations," Hollings said. "You don't
> care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the
> fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over
> there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and
> seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive
> vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a
> regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?"
>
> "Extremely," Powell said, with an amiable smile.
>
>
> One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats
> and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose
> of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was
> created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the
> New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy
> cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure
> that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its
> other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph,
> the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers
> unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable,
> well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial
> supervision�its real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition
> among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by
> artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business.
> In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission
> more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many
> of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most
> terrifying category of interest group�you can cross the local bank
> president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster.
> According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once
> blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers
> in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the
> anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV
> station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President.
>
>
> F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too,
> because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic
> niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful
> breakup of A.T. & T.�by far the biggest and most important company the
> commission regulated�deposited a thick additional sediment of
> self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation
> ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one
> long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones,
> which customers were not permitted to own�and they were all the same
> company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the
> mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local
> phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing
> to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores
> everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers�and
> millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the
> telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a "natural
> monopoly," requiring protection from economic competition and total
> control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period,
> the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones
> and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true:
> consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more
> prosperous, too.
>
> The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996,
> one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which
> most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore.
> Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of
> modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group
> bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers
> as "baby Bells" and to F.C.C. World as "arbocks" (the pronounced version
> of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to
> offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance
> companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for
> customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would
> get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more
> competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and
> economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by
> Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as
> helping to reposition them as the technology party�the party that
> brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of
> jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose
> beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's
> slogans about the "information superhighway" and "building a bridge to
> the twenty-first century," which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully
> sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical
> correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was
> supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success.
>
> The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich,
> aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like
> all important interest groups they work with both parties); they
> immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new
> competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through
> rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by
> Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep
> the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies
> like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new
> companies, "see-lecks" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive
> local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory
> equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have
> access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the
> seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the
> F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key.
>
> Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that
> he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming
> condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the
> see-lecks�companies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligent�and
> into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related
> technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom
> boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks
> and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests
> of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's
> former lieutenants told me, "Reed used to joke that my job was to make
> sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up."
>
>
> The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the
> boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more
> startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies:
> Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and
> Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys
> believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative
> accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.)
>
> By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been
> determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the
> chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of
> influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator.
> Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner;
> Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and
> Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as
> such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most
> powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of
> S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant
> that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he
> might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy
> Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he
> wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative
> movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than
> Furchtgott-Roth.
>
> Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared
> before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and
> gave a very Michael Powell speech�whimsical, intellectual, and
> free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)�that
> began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new
> telecom companies alive. "In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is
> often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas," Powell said. "Like the
> Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast
> beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the
> deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's
> fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the
> least, so it is thought." Thus Powell was indicating that if he became
> chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as
> part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day
> of the Bush Administration.
>
> Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead
> or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in
> serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite
> companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically
> concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing
> companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in
> good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged
> companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the
> financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications
> industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells
> wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and
> if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national
> duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West.
> And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the
> poor health of the long-distance companies.
>
> The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national
> companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they
> don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more
> fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part
> of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996
> Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were
> significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of
> radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five
> per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news
> programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary
> of Viacom.
>
> In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should
> be hyperactive�the superhero of government regulation, springing to the
> rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try
> to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should
> disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the
> forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle
> to get new technology�especially fast Internet connections�into the
> homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An
> analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and
> the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush
> people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush
> people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many
> expectations and stirred too many passions.)
>
> But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been
> conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the
> F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him
> signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of
> the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has
> been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further
> infuriates his critics�in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and
> the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of
> F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's
> having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference,
> when he was asked what he was going to do about the "digital
> divide"�that is, economic inequality in access to the Internet�he said,
> "You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and
> I can't afford one." At the National Cable & Telecommunications
> Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of
> tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a
> somersault.
>
>
> Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until
> 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest
> Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at
> the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody
> else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building
> looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park.
> Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and
> fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and
> walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a
> jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because
> of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he
> became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly
> the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of
> the market before the fact�"prophylactically," as he likes to say�should
> wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust
> litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and
> then became a prot�g� of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division
> of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's
> legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of
> the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political
> skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush
> Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but
> also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of
> Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his
> enduring love of law school�"It's sort of like a law-school study
> session over there," one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to
> confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law
> students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in.
>
> I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions
> of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the
> airwaves among themselves without the government being involved?
>
> "I think we'll never know," Powell said. "I don't think it's an
> automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably
> the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and
> say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor
> puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law
> about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If
> a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a
> similar proposition. There are scholars who argue�indeed, the famous
> Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about this�that
> spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds
> of ways that we're accustomed to."
>
> Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he
> doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He
> slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in
> ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who
> enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions
> about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he
> sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he
> thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications
> Act had been excessive.
>
> "I would start with a caveat," Powell said. "Look, I can't fault those
> judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought.
> They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities.
> But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all,
> anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close
> to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President
> on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I
> don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions,
> or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that
> were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts
> reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions.
> But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet
> excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it
> certainly was.
>
> "But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of
> expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the
> economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically
> exaggerated expectation�by the leadership of the commission, by
> politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a
> gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones
> that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to
> see numbers go up on the board."
>
> Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. "
> 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see
> thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the
> Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' " Now Powell returned
> to being Powell. "I think that expectation was astonishingly
> unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're
> there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And
> the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no
> question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much
> debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model."
>
> How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? "We could have
> chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were
> slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system,"
> Powell said. "Money chased what seemed like government-promised
> opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're
> in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This
> debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some
> ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability."
>
> Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there
> had been a more "reasonable" level of investment. "No, we wouldn't have
> every home in America with competitive choice yet�but we don't anyway. I
> don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy
> that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The
> part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so
> would MCI WorldCom and Sprint."
>
> Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable
> businesses, either, and they never might. "Everybody's always saying,
> 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's
> quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six
> years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once
> every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're
> looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance
> business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is
> breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled."
>
> Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies
> stronger? "At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political
> answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try
> to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere.
> I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C.
> investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have
> those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point,
> companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from
> dying." Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think
> it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has
> demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist
> gestures�in August, for example, five months after disbanding the
> F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was
> appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the
> communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding
> out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities
> and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore
> up the telecom industry.
>
> I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one
> company provided cable television and only one provided local phone
> service. "Yes," he said. "It concerns us that there's one of each of
> those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one
> of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications
> capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other."
> Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to
> provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will
> provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice.
> "So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question
> is, Does it stay that way?"
>
> The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of
> information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that
> people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration,
> which distorts markets. "If this were just economics, it's easy. If you
> were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we
> know how to do that�the econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a
> market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is
> other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take
> the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption
> there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic
> viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I
> think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility
> that's ascribed to it sometimes."
>
> Powell explained, "Sometimes when we see very pointed political or
> parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the
> same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh
> exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off
> the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias,
> and then we have policies like"�here his tone went from ironic to
> sarcastic�"the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis
> of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed
> and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic
> fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out."
>
>
> F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he
> can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries
> he regulates�so he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the
> market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying
> water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is
> planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed
> Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything
> at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's
> waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action,
> so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the
> crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television
> networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of
> Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never
> commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force,
> and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he
> says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and
> irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine.
>
> "This is why elections matter," Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what
> has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.�much
> more than, say, the war in Afghanistan�is a case in which a Gore
> Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush
> Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but
> there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The
> arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would
> have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that
> helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the
> arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivals�the
> long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts�with their
> friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not
> unrecognizably different from America's past.
>
>
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Fwd: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Ian Andrew Bell <hello@ianbell.com>
> Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:16:09 PM US/Pacific
> To: mike@michaelmoore.com
> Cc: foib@ianbell.com
> Subject: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday
>
> Michael,
>
> Why is it that people who consider voting in an election an
> inconvenience would go to see a movie to show support for its message?
> Don't get me wrong -- I think this is the case. People will go to
> see your movie as much to be entertained and informed as they will to
> express their malice and discontent towards not only the present
> regime in America, but also the corrupt, empty, shallow pantomime
> which cast them into power.
>
> In reality, today the voting that takes place via the act of
> consumption far outweighs the impact caused by people going to a booth
> and dimpling the appropriate chad, or some other such convoluted act
> of free democratic expression.
>
> Why? Because in America, they believe in dollars. Dollars don't lie.
> In practise, they are the last frontier of truth in America,
> universally accepted as expressions of fear, desire, passion, and
> need. Compared to the swing of the almighty buck, and Jeb Bush knows
> this, a hanging chad has only the nethermost meaning.
>
> Given that fact, I modestly propose an entirely new, though wholly
> logical, extension to the current democratic system in place in
> America:
>
> I propose we augment, and effectively replace, the electoral system
> with a political stock market. We should accept that Politicians are
> entrepreneurs just like any other businessperson in America, and
> embrace this fact in building an economic system which truly reflects
> their intent. A politician should issue a constant number of shares
> dependent upon his tenure in government. Those shares should be
> traded on an open exchange, say the G.R.E.E.D. (short, of course, for
> the "Global Realists' Electoral Exchange -- Democratic"). Politicians
> we believe in will see their stocks rise higher as faith in their
> ability to maintain office grows. As the truth about their embezzling
> campaign funds for weekend trips to Maui with their interns is
> revealed, of course, their fortunes will fall.
>
> This represents an opportunity for the market forces -- those same
> forces which you intend to harness to express your own personal
> protest -- to voice their opinion on the quality of America's
> governance during the intervening four years between elections.
> Elections themselves will in effect become meaningless, as they are
> now, since their outcome will be influenced by the stock price of each
> and every congressman, senator, and presidential candidate.
>
> Just think of the coverage that could be given on MSNBC! "Strom
> Thurman (STROM: news - quotes) was down 15% today on fears that his
> latest heart operation will render him unable to attend Senate Armed
> Services committee meetings until November.." This would provide
> rejuvenating content to the econo-political news sector, which has
> found post-economic-bubble coverage to be both tiresome and
> deoressing. The establishment of this new stock exchange would of
> course create jobs for newly unemployed (and governmentally retrained)
> IT systems engineers who could, after passing the electoral securities
> exam, become floor traders.
>
> This would also allow for a convenient and very public method by which
> candidates could raise capital in the public markets to support their
> multi-billion-dollar campaigns. The requirement for the support of
> legions of spin doctors, permanent campaign managers, and investor
> relations personnel would also create jobs -- perhaps even a new
> practice for Ernst & Young, Arthur Anderson, et al. Insider trading
> scandals and misleading revenue declarations would of course catch
> Martha Stewart as an unwitting beneficiary, thus spreading her
> influence to politics.
>
> Dividends, if there are any on record, at the close of a politician's
> career could be paid to current shareholders based on the holdings.
> Pensions funds could provide the institutional investment support
> necessary to underpin even the biggest dogs among the Beltway set.
> Union funds, brokerages, and even pump-and-dump houses could benefit
> from meteoric rises in conservative candidates running in the
> Southeast, and the Bush Governmet would be allowed to place Social
> Security bets where they really mattered. investors who lose their
> retirement, life savings, and support could rest assured that they
> were indeed robbed by crooks rather than poor investors.
>
> Although there's no way to protect any of these for Worldcom-like
> crashes, ambitious, inspired, District Attorneys could file criminal
> suits against Candidates and Campaign Managers who underperform
> expectations, thus assuring investors that their logic was not faulty
> -- instead, they were merely defrauded by crooks and thieves.
>
> On the whole, I believe the system could work. I could certainly work
> as well as our beloved securities trading industry and, given the
> American electoral system's success at effectively expressing the will
> of the people, it certainly couldn't do any worse...
>
> In the meantime, Mike, I think I'll go see your movie and try to
> depose the President.
>
> -Ian.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:53 PM, Michael Moore's Mailing
> List wrote:
>
>> October 9, 2002
>>
>> My Film, "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday
>>
>> Dear friends, fans, and fellow evildoers:
>>
>> I am very happy and excited to tell you that this Friday, October 11,
>> my
>> new
>> film, "Bowling for Columbine," will open in New York and Los Angeles.
>>
>> It is, I promise, the last thing the Bushies want projected on the
>> movie
>> screens across America this week. The film is, first and foremost, a
>> devastating indictment of the violence that is done in our name for
>> profit
>> and power -- and no one, in all the advance screenings I have
>> attended, has
>> left the theatre with anything short of rage. I truly believe this
>> film has
>> the potential to rock the nation and get people energized to do
>> something.
>>
>> This is not good news for Junior and Company. Not when they are
>> trying to
>> drag us into another war. Not when a crazed sniper is exercising his
>> constitutional right to own a high-powered rifle. Not when John
>> Ashcroft is
>> still prohibiting the FBI from looking through the gun background
>> check
>> files to see if any of the 19 hijackers or their associates purchased
>> any
>> weapons prior to 9/11 -- because THAT, we are told, would "violate"
>> these
>> terrorists' sacred Second Amendment rights!
>>
>> Yes, I believe this movie can create a lot of havoc -- but I will
>> need ALL
>> of you to help me do this. Are you game?
>>
>> Last February 5th, I wrote to tell you about a book I had written and
>> how
>> the publisher had decided to dump it because they were afraid to
>> publish
>> anything critical of Bush after 9/11. I appealed to you to save
>> "Stupid
>> White Men" from the shredder and to go out and buy it. I promised you
>> would
>> not regret it, and that the book would not only be a great read but an
>> important organizing tool in gumming up the plans of George W. Bush.
>>
>> Within 24 hours, the book went to #1 on the Amazon best seller list.
>> By the
>> fifth day, the book was already into its 9th printing. The publisher
>> was
>> torn between its desire to kill the book or make a wad of money.
>> Greed won
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>> Times
>> best seller list -- and its 32nd printing. This is all because of
>> you, my
>> crazy and loyal friends. You made this happen, against all the odds.
>>
>> Now I would like to ask you again to help me with my latest work,
>> "Bowling
>> for Columbine." It's a movie that many critics have already called my
>> best
>> film to date. They may be right. It is certainly the most provocative
>> thing
>> I have ever done. I have spent three years on it and, I have to say,
>> it
>> cuts
>> deeper, harder and funnier that anything I have given you so far.
>>
>> The movie opens this Friday in New York and Los Angeles, and then in
>> 8 more
>> cities next week. How it does in these first ten cities will determine
>> whether or not the rest of the country gets to see it. That is the
>> nutty
>> way
>> our films are released. If it doesn't have a big opening weekend, you
>> can
>> kiss the film good-bye. Therefore, this weekend, this film must be
>> seen by
>> millions of Americans. Can you help me make that happen?
>>
>> "Bowling for Columbine" is not a film simply about guns or school
>> shootings.
>> That is only the starting point for my 2-hour journey into the dark
>> soul of
>> a country that is both victim and master of an enormous amount of
>> violence,
>> both at home and around the world. With this movie I have broadened my
>> canvas to paint a portrait of our nation at the beginning of the 21st
>> century, a nation that seems hell-bent on killing first and asking
>> questions
>> later. It is a movie about the state sponsored acts of violence and
>> terrorism against our own poor, and how we have created a culture of
>> fear
>> that is based on the racial dilemma we continue to ignore. And it's a
>> devastating comedy.
>>
>> This film is going to upset some pretty big apple carts. No film has
>> EVER
>> said the things I am saying in "Bowling for Columbine." I expect to be
>> attacked. I expect certain theatres will not show it for fear of
>> retribution. I expect that this movie will be a bitter pill for many
>> to
>> swallow.
>>
>> This is why I need your help. Movies live or die based on what
>> happens at
>> the box office the first weekend of its release. I need you, if you
>> live in
>> the New York or L.A. area, to go see "Bowling for Columbine" this
>> Friday
>> and
>> Saturday -- and take as many family members and friends with you as
>> possible. I guarantee you will not be disappointed -- and you may
>> just see
>> one of the best films of the year.
>>
>> Monday night in Times Square, "Bowling for Columbine" had its
>> premiere. The
>> crowd was amazing, as it was this past Saturday night at the Chicago
>> Film
>> Festival. The audience kept laughing or hooting or applauding so loud
>> throughout the film that it was hard to hear the next line.
>>
>> The hate mail, the threats, the promises of retribution have already
>> started
>> to roll in to the distributor of this movie, United Artists. They are
>> not
>> backing down. But how long will this last? I need all of you in the
>> New
>> York
>> tri-state and southern California areas to go see "Bowling for
>> Columbine"
>> THIS weekend -- the rest of you can see it in a couple of weeks when
>> it
>> comes to your town. A strong opening not only means that the rest of
>> America
>> will see this film, it means that a good number of people who see it
>> are
>> going to leave the film angry enough to get active and get involved.
>> If it
>> does poorly, I will have a difficult time finding the funding for the
>> movie
>> I want to make next -- a film about 9/11 and how Bush is using that
>> tragic
>> day as a cover for his right-wing agenda.
>>
>> Don't let that happen. Don't let the NRA have one more success by
>> stopping
>> the wider distribution of this movie. And, together, let us not remain
>> silent in our opposition to Bush's phony war against Iraq.
>>
>> If you live in New York, you can see it at the Lincoln Plaza, the
>> Sunshine
>> and the Loews 19th St. In L.A., you can catch it at the Sunset 5, the
>> Westwood Regent, Laemmle Sunset, Laemmle Towncenter (Encino), Landmark
>> Rialto (Pasadena), and Regal University (Irvine). Also, please
>> forward this
>> to your other friends and tell them to go see "Bowling for Columbine"
>> this
>> weekend.
>>
>> And finally, don't miss our new website www.bowlingforcolumbine.com
>>
>> Thank you for your help with this. I feel so honored and privileged
>> to have
>> so many people interested in my work. Last January I was getting
>> 70,000
>> hits
>> a month on my website. Last month, I got 17 million hits. This alone
>> speaks
>> volumes about the vast majority all of us belong to who are sick and
>> tired
>> of what is going on and are longing for an alternative source of
>> information.
>>
>> I hope that you enjoy "Bowling for Columbine."
>>
>> Thank you again...
>>
>> Yours,
>>
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Re: Anolther sequence related traceback
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> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700
>
> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500
> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030550301.a24bc5@DeepEddy.Com>
> Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
>
> | Interesting...I don't think this was my bug.
> | It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message "-".
>
> Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense
> in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came
> from the sequence code...
>
> Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status
> line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it
> should keep on doing (the "red" part isn't important obviously..)
Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll see what
I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent).
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> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700
>
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500
> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com>
> Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
>
> | hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks?
>
> Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what
> they have managed to break, and why.
>
> But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that
> exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this
> bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it.
>
> Patch follows ...
>
> I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list
> before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since
> I stopped doing that, the variable "msgs" isn't really needed any more,
> rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code
> could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a
> frill though, so I didn't change that.
I'll fix this in CVS this afternoon.
Thanks,
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Exmh && speed
lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I
just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the
scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.
I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
2.5-release: 350-450 msec
latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the
user settings hasn't changed.
Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?
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Re: Exmh && speed
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200
>
>
> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I
> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the
> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.
>
> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
>
> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec
> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
>
> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the
> user settings hasn't changed.
>
> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?
Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences.
I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on Friday,
and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do much until I get
back.
I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check into
what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be hurt.
Chris
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Re: Exmh && speed
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200, Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> said:
> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
>
> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec
> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and watch the
wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in under 5 seconds,
so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a really piggy CPU spike
(100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. Of course, it seems to be
related to number-of-folders:
[~] wc Mail/.folders
131 131 1122 Mail/.folders
It's particularly annoying because things just hose-and-hang for 10 seconds, so
when it hits, you have a long latency before what you're doing actually
happens...
14:08:54 Background_DoPeriodic flist
14:08:54 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0
14:08:54 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0
14:08:56 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/exmh/.mh_sequences
14:08:56 exmh has 1 msgs in unseen
14:08:56 1 unseen message in 1 folder
14:08:56 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup}
14:08:56 {Setting flag glyph to iconup}
14:08:56 {Set flag state to up}
14:08:58 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/list-spams/.mh_sequences
14:08:58 list-spams has 1 msgs in unseen
14:08:58 2 unseen messages in 2 folders
14:08:58 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup}
14:09:02 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/trash/.mh_sequences
14:09:02 trash has 2 msgs in pseq
14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found
14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found
14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found
14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found
14:09:03 {pseq: 7506-7508 => 7506}
14:09:03 Writing /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/.mh_sequences
14:09:03 xemacs has 1 msgs in pseq
14:09:03 Flist_Done
And it takes a hit even if there's no new mail:
14:11:03 Background_DoPeriodic flist
14:11:03 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0
14:11:03 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0
14:11:12 Flist_Done
14:11:12 Flist_FindSeqs end {9018315 microseconds per iteration}
I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is
going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about
a brown-paper-bag bug... ;)
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Re: Exmh && speed
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> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400
>
> I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is
> going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about
> a brown-paper-bag bug... ;)
As I mentioned in my email to Anders, it's certainly in my code and I don't
have time to work on it right now, so I would not be offended if you worked on
it.
I just this moment found out that my partner has promised a few things would be
done before my vacation that will require my efforts, so it's even more true
that it was when I sent the mail to Anders.
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Re: Exmh && speed
cwg-dated-1030817858.a49b7e@DeepEddy.Com said:
> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 >
>
> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I
> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the
> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.
>
> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
>
> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec
> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
>
> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the
> user settings hasn't changed.
>
> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?
> Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences.
> I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on
> Friday, and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do
> much until I get back.
> I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check
> into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be
> hurt.
> Chris
Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in
Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference
between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use
the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the
problem.
Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity?
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Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said:
> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
>
> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec
> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
> I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and
> watch the wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in
> under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a
> really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code.
> Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders:
> [~] wc Mail/.folders
> 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders
I have 167 folders (!) and run with bg-proc set to flist (1 minute).
I see delays, but not that much. Maybe 1-3 seconds (which tend to
disappear these days). This is on a PII-266.
BR,
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200
>
> Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in
> Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference
> between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use
> the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the
> problem.
Assuming it's my fault (which it probably is since nobody else has really been
in there), it's most likely related to the number of sequences in a folder.
I'd guess that something is either being called that shouldn't be or is being
called more times than it should be.
> Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity?
Not that I'm aware of. If you look in the code, there are various places
where the time function is called in order to see how long it took to do
things. You'll probably want to borrow that technique.
Chris
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>>>Chris Garrigues said:
> Done. I also eliminated the msgs variable on the theory that simpler is
>
> better (I spent a lot of time hacking out the underbrush in exmh while
> working on the sequences window).
Just a big *thank you* to Chris for being willing to dive in and get
very messy. The sequence management code is some of the very oldest
in exmh, and surely suffered as features were added over several years.
When this stabilizes, it will be a great excuse for a 2.6 release.
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Re: Anolther sequence related traceback
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500
From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>
Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll
| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent).
Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things
to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people
can't use the code in normal ways.
But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the
code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit
goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the
problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).
That is: 0 ^h -
Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every
character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.
This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a
look at it later.
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Re: Anolther sequence related traceback
You can also duplicate thiswith
MsgChange - noshow
at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence
parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22
is confused when asked to add/remove message "-" from a sequence.
If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then
we could add
if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} {
# bail out of message select mode
}
to the SelectTypein procedure.
We can probably survive with
if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} {
#bail out of message select mode
}
>>>Robert Elz said:
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500
> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co
m>
> Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
>
> | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll
> | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to
Brent).
>
> Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things
> to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people
> can't use the code in normal ways.
>
> But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the
> code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit
> goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the
> problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).
>
> That is: 0 ^h -
>
> Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every
> character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.
>
> This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a
> look at it later.
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I may be wrong but I think a single select entry field is used
for selecting messages and switching folders. Restricting the entries
to be numeric would break the folder switching functionality, wouldn't
it?
My version of MsgChange, not yet updated, has a check
if {$msgid != {}} {
# Allow null msgid from Msg_ShowWhat, which supplies line instead
if {$msgid < 0} return
} else {
...
at the start of the procedure which takes care of the single '-' case.
Perhaps the thing to do is for MsgChange to validate a msgid as a
number before continuing.
Kevin
In message <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes:
> You can also duplicate thiswith
>
> MsgChange - noshow
>
> at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence
> parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22
> is confused when asked to add/remove message "-" from a sequence.
>
> If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then
> we could add
>
> if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} {
> # bail out of message select mode
> }
> to the SelectTypein procedure.
>
> We can probably survive with
>
> if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} {
> #bail out of message select mode
> }
>
> >>>Robert Elz said:
> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500
> > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co
> m>
> > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
> >
> > | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll
> > | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to
> Brent).
> >
> > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things
> > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people
> > can't use the code in normal ways.
> >
> > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the
> > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit
> > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the
> > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time).
> >
> > That is: 0 ^h -
> >
> > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every
> > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse.
> >
> > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a
> > look at it later.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700
From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
Message-ID: <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>
| If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then
| we could add
[...]
| to the SelectTypein procedure.
Yes, I looked at "fixing" it there, but that code is really quite
general, with almost no understanding of what anything means, so I
didn't think that corrupting it with knowlwedge of the semantics of
what it is fetching would really be the best thing to do.
I ran out of time last night while looking for a better place for
a similar check (I would have gone directly to the regexp - I'm not
that up to date with all the latest tcl changes...) and I'm not sure
I will have time today, but I will keep looking.
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I have some patches that seem to fix/avoid this problem now. (It is
amazing what one can achieve when mains power fails, long enough for
UPS's to run out, and all that is left operational is the laptop and
its battery supply...)
First, I put in some defensive code into the area where the problem was
occurring, so that if exmh is attempting (for any reason) to expand a
sequence that isn't either a number, or a range of numbers (or a list of
such things) it will simply ignore the trash, rather than giving a traceback.
This one solves the initial problem:
--- mh.tcl.WAS Thu Aug 22 21:15:06 2002
+++ mh.tcl Wed Aug 28 12:39:11 2002
@@ -487,6 +487,10 @@
set seq {}
set rseq {}
foreach range [split [string trim $sequence]] {
+ if ![regexp {^[0-9]+(-[0-9]+)?$} $range] {
+ # just ignore anything bogus
+ continue;
+ }
set parts [split [string trim $range] -]
if {[llength $parts] == 1} {
lappend seq $parts
That is amending proc MhSeqExpand which is where the error was occurring
before (the code assumes that $range is either NNN or NNN-MMM so we should
probably make sure that's true - issue an error instead of just "continue"
if you like, but I don't think an error is needed).
But that just allowed me to create a similar problem, in another place,
by typing "NNN-" ... and rather than continue to fight fires like this,
I thought I should think more about Brent's suggestion. But rather than
have the selection code actually validate the input, which would mean it
would have to know what is to be valid, I decided that the right thing to
do is just to ignore any errors caused by invalid input, so I just stuck
a "catch" around the MsgShow that is processing the nonsense that the
user has typed.
This way, any later expansion to what MsgShow treats as legal (maybe
allowing a sequence name, like "prev" or "next", or anything else can
be handled just there, without someone needing to remember that they have
to go fix the selection processing code to allow it.
But, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before.
If you type "66+" the "66" changes to "67" (and so on, for each + that
is typed). I suspect that's perhaps an artifact of "+ is bound to a
different function so it can be used as a toggle between changing the
current and the target folder, but it has to mean something if the current
input mode is a message number, so let it mean...", but now I found it,
I think its nice. But if we can type 66+ why not 66- as well? That
kind of limitation bugs me, so I fixed it.
And then I wondered about folders with names containing '+' - the special
use of + as the toggle character means there's no way to type those from
the keyboard. So I fixed that as well. This makes two different
restrictions - there's no way to type a folder name that has a name
beginning with '+' (but such a thing in MH would be a pain to use anyway,
so I doubt this will bother anyone), and it is now only possible to
toggle between typing the current & target folder name when the name
being typed is empty. I'm less happy about that part, but I think I
can live with it in order to allow folder names with +'s in them to
exist and be typed.
Then, since I was there anyway, I decided to do something about another
feature that has always bugged me. In "normal" keyboard mode, 's' is
the key used to show a message. But if you've just typed 123, and
the FTOC is highlighting 123 as the current message, and you want to now
show that message, you can't type 's', you have to type \r instead.
So I "fixed" this one as well. "Fixed" here is in quotes, as it assumes
that the keybinding for MsgShow is 's', if you change that to something
else, it will remain 's' in here. I don't know enough tk/tcl to have it
discover what key is bound to a function in the external world in order
to bind the same one here. \r continues to work of course.
And now I got started in fixing irritants in this code, I also made it
clear the status line if you abort message/folder entry mode (^C or ^G).
Previously it used to leave the prompt sitting there until the next
message appeared, which made it less than obvious that the keyboard had
reverted to its usual bindings.
In any case, what follows is the patch that does all of that. I believe
that if you apply this, then the one above is probably not needed, the
"catch" around the "MsgShow" will hide the problem (I don't think we really
need to fix Brent's way of invoking it). Or include it anyway, just
for completeness (I haven't run an exmh with the following patch, but not
the previous one, so I don't know for sure that all will be OK then).
kre
--- select.tcl.WAS Thu Aug 22 21:15:07 2002
+++ select.tcl Wed Aug 28 13:36:17 2002
@@ -49,9 +49,11 @@
bindtags $w [list $w Entry]
bind $w <Any-Key> {SelectTypein %W %A}
bind $w <Key-plus> {SelectToggle %W }
+ bind $w <Key-minus> {SelectPrev %W }
bind $w <space> {SelectComplete %W}
bind $w <Tab> {SelectComplete %W}
bind $w <Return> {SelectReturn %W}
+ bind $w <Key-s> {SelectReturn %W %A}
bind $w <BackSpace> {SelectBackSpace %W}
bind $w <Control-h> {SelectBackSpace %W}
bind $w <Delete> {SelectBackSpace %W}
@@ -72,7 +74,7 @@
append select(sel) $a
Exmh_Status "$select(prompt) $select(sel)"
if ![info exists select(folder)] {
- Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow
+ catch { Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow }
}
}
proc SelectBackSpace { w } {
@@ -91,6 +93,10 @@
proc SelectToggle {w} {
global select
if [info exists select(folder)] {
+ if {$select(sel) != ""} {
+ SelectTypein $w +
+ return
+ }
set select(toggle) [list [lindex $select(toggle) 1] [lindex $select(toggle) 0]]
set select(prompt) "[lindex $select(toggle) 0] Folder:"
} else {
@@ -101,6 +107,18 @@
}
Exmh_Status "$select(prompt) $select(sel)"
}
+proc SelectPrev {w} {
+ global select
+ if [info exists select(folder)] {
+ SelectTypein $w "-"
+ } else {
+ catch {
+ incr select(sel) -1
+ Msg_Change $select(sel) noshow
+ }
+ Exmh_Status "$select(prompt) $select(sel)"
+ }
+}
proc SelectComplete { w } {
global select
if [info exists select(folder)] {
@@ -126,9 +144,13 @@
Exmh_Status "$select(prompt) $select(sel)"
}
}
-proc SelectReturn { w } {
+proc SelectReturn { w {a {}} } {
global select
if [info exists select(folder)] {
+ if {$a != {}} {
+ SelectTypein $w $a
+ return
+ }
if [info exists select(match)] {
set select(sel) $select(match)
unset select(match)
@@ -151,6 +173,7 @@
unset select(folder)
}
$select(entry) configure -state disabled
+ Exmh_Status ""
Exmh_Focus
}
proc SelectClear { w } {
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:51:21 +0700
From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.oz.au>
Message-ID: <18366.1030517481@munnari.OZ.AU>
| But, while I was playing there, I noticed something I never new before.
I also no the difference between new & knew, but I don't always type well...
Um, I mean, I know the difference...
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Re: New Sequences Window
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500
From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com>
Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
| hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks?
It turns out, when I did some investigation, that my memory of how MH
worked here was wrong (that's not unusual) - the -seq switch seems to
have always done -nolist (requiring a subsequent -list to turn it on
again).
Given that, I have no idea how the pick code as it was ever worked. In
fact, it quite possibly never did the way it was intended to (I have just
been browsing the 2.5 sources, and that seems to be attempting to do things
that I never saw happen).
It may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been
there all along.
Given this, I won't be sending any bug reports to the nmh people. If nmh
ever seems to be showing any signs further progress, and if I remember this
then, I might send them a change request. The code to make the change is
trivial.
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> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:06:30 +0700
>
> It may be that your new sequence method just exposed the bug that had been
> there all along.
*grin* That's what the past 3 or 4 months of exmh hacking has been all about
for me.
I've now stabilized everything pretty well for my paid job, so I'll probably
poke around at the sequences performance issues, but rather than checking
changes in, I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less
than 48 hours.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500
From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Com>
Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
| so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,
Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...
# Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist
foreach m $rseq {
if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {
Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found
set ix [lsearch $seq $m]
set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]
} else {
# Real hack
break
}
}
which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch
of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the
first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any
of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,
and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the
sequences it is looking at, all the time...
It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current
folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the
directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...
Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the
context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.
| I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less
| than 48 hours.
Have a good vacation.
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> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:44:26 +0700
>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500
> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Com>
> Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
>
>
> | so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,
>
> Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...
>
> # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist
> foreach m $rseq {
> if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {
> Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found
> set ix [lsearch $seq $m]
> set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]
> } else {
> # Real hack
> break
> }
> }
>
> which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch
> of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the
> first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any
> of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,
> and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the
> sequences it is looking at, all the time...
Although my fingerprints are all over that, it's not actually my code and has
been in there since before 1998. (It's code that I moved from mh.tcl to
sequences.tcl and back again). I'm no5 sure either, but it should be a
one-time penalty because the sequence will be re-written with the bad messages
removed. (I think.)
> It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current
> folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the
> directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...
>
> Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the
> context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.
That *was* a problem, but if you look at Mh_Sequence (and Mh_Sequences and
Mh_SequenceUpdate), they all call MhReadSeqs to do the actual reading and it
only reads the sequences if the file has been touched. Look for the
"Exmh_Debug Reading $filename" output in the debug log to see when sequences
are actually reread from disk.
My theory is that Ftoc_ShowSequences is being called too often. I'm about to
investigate that.
> | I'll email anything I figure out since I'm leaving town in less
> | than 48 hours.
>
> Have a good vacation.
Thanks.
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> From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>
> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200
>
>
> lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I
> just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the
> scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now.
>
> I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000
> msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably:
>
> 2.5-release: 350-450 msec
> latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec
>
> Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the
> user settings hasn't changed.
>
> Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared?
Here's a fix that I think will make a real difference.
Ftoc_ShowSequences needs to be able to be called with an optional list of msgids
to update and if it's called that way it only removes or adds tags for those
messages. Then in places like MsgChange, we only update the messages which have
changed.
Also, a separate Ftoc_ShowSequence function which only updates the display of
one sequence should be written which also takes an optional list of msgids.
In a place like MsgChange, it would only need to update the cur sequence.
If nobody else gets to it, I'll do this when I get back.
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>>>Robert Elz said:
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:22:34 -0500
> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030976555.34ad5b@DeepEddy.Co
m>
> Message-ID: <1030544555.28815.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>
>
>
> | so I'll probably poke around at the sequences performance issues,
>
> Well, there's this wonderful piece of code in MhSeqExpand ...
>
> # Hack to weed out sequence numbers for messages that don't exist
> foreach m $rseq {
> if ![file exists $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m] {
> Exmh_Debug $mhProfile(path)/$folder/$m not found
> set ix [lsearch $seq $m]
> set seq [lreplace $seq $ix $ix]
> } else {
> # Real hack
At least I'm up-front about my hacks :-)
> break
> }
> }
>
> which is going to run slow if a sequence happens to start with a bunch
> of messages that don't exist. I'm not sure why it is important that the
> first message in the sequence returned exists, but not necessarily any
> of the others, but I'm sure glad it is, as MhSeqExpand gets called lots,
> and I don't know if I could cope if it were checking every file in the
> sequences it is looking at, all the time...
That was my thinking. My recollection about the first message being valid
is that the ftoc code wants to find that message to start its highlighting,
for example, or you are selecting a message to display.
> It may help to keep a list of the valid message numbers for the current
> folder (though that would then need to be verified against changes to the
> directory). Does tcl have a directory read function? I assume so...
glob -nocomplain $mhProfile(path)/$folder *
will return an unsorted list of the directory's contents.
But the thought of keeping an in memory list of valid messages is not fun.
Exmh already maintains in-core lists of messages in sequences, which is
already pretty tricky
> Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the
> context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.
In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time,
but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to
check their date stamp, you could just read them again. Also, now that
we checkpoint message state on every message view, that file will change
every time. In the old days exmh used to cache a bunch of state about
the folder.
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> From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700
>
>
> >>>Robert Elz said:
> > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the
> > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.
>
> In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify time,
> but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to
> check their date stamp, you could just read them again.
Do you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking that
it would make an improvement since we were reading it a *lot* more times in
the new code because we're trying to use the sequences.
On the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of cache
when that happens anyway.
Even with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a
[file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc MhReadSeqs.
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Re: New Sequences Window
Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in
many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it
is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint
state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current
folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file
more than once per message view? Just idle speculation - we can
stick in some time calls to find out how expensive things are.
Someone asked about increasing the time resolution in the exmh log.
We could make that conditional on some support available in 8.3 -
Tcl has had "clock seconds" (like gettimeofday) and "clock clicks"
(high resolution timer) for some time. But in 8.3 we've calibrated
clock clicks values to microseconds. It is still only useful for
relative times, but each call to Exmh_Log could emit the microsecond
delta since the last log record. Of course, we are measuring all
the overhead of taking the log record, etc. I'll try it out.
>>>Chris Garrigues said:
> > From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:32:42 -0700
> >
> >
> > >>>Robert Elz said:
> > > Mh_Sequence also goes and rereads the files (.mh_sequences and the
> > > context file) but I'm not sure how frequently that one is called.
> >
> > In some places I maintain caches of files by checking their modify
> time,
> > but the sequence files are soo small that by the time you stat them to
> > check their date stamp, you could just read them again.
>
> Do you really think this is true? I added a modify time check thinking
> that
> it would make an improvement since we were reading it a *lot* more times
> in
> the new code because we're trying to use the sequences.
>
> On the other hand, the sequences files are probably being read out of
> cache
> when that happens anyway.
>
> Even with a small file, I'd think that the time taken to do a
> [file mtime $filename] would be worth it. My code is in proc
> MhReadSeqs.
>
> Chris
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Re: New Sequences Window
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> From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700
>
> Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in
> many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it
> is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint
> state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current
> folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file
> more than once per message view?
As I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences file
first to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This
happens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in Ftoc_ShowSequences.
That seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my abstraction to
have a separate call for "what sequences are in this folder?" and "what
messages are in this sequence?". One option would have been to add another
call to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the check-the-modify-time
technique would be less error-prone.
I think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to allow
a finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that the
current code would only be run when we really do have to update all sequences
for all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message yesterday.
And again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it.
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Re: New Sequences Window
>>>Chris Garrigues said:
> > From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:40:21 -0700
> >
> > Well, I've used the check-the-modify-time cache trick for files in
> > many places (not just exmh) so some part of me certainly thinks it
> > is effective. However, it occurred to me that if we do checkpoint
> > state, then aren't we modifying the sequences file for the current
> > folder on every message read? Perhaps we look at the sequences file
> > more than once per message view?
>
> As I'd written the code a few months ago, we were reading the sequences
> file
> first to see what sequences were in it and then once per sequence. This
>
> happens anywhere that we look at sequences, most notably in
> Ftoc_ShowSequences.
> That seemed to be an obvious lose performancewise, but I wanted my
> abstraction to
> have a separate call for "what sequences are in this folder?" and "what
> messages are in this sequence?". One option would have been to add
> another
> call to get the data off of disk, but I felt that the
> check-the-modify-time
> technique would be less error-prone.
I like the check-the-modify-time technique.
> I think the biggest gains would be from augmenting Ftoc_ShowSequences to
> allow
> a finer specification of what needs to be updated in the ftoc so that
> the
> current code would only be run when we really do have to update all
> sequences
> for all messages. I described these thoughts in an email message
> yesterday.
>
> And again, if it can wait a few weeks, I'm willing to do it.
OK - I've yet to dive into the latest round of changes, but I plan to.
I can say I'll make any progress, but I may dabble. Thanks again for
all your work in this area. Generalized sequence support has been on
my to do list for about 8 years.
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Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
>
> [...]
> > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS
> > gives
> >
> > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A
> > Can't check signature: public key not found
> >
> > So, something else is missing.
>
> Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
>
> Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
> signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from
> which you know you have the public key.
>
>
>
Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.
But no.
Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point while
it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.
Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.
Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there
must be something else that I am missing...
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Hi,
On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
[...]
> in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS
> gives
>
> Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDDF997A
> Can't check signature: public key not found
>
> So, something else is missing.
Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from
which you know you have the public key.
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Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.
If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under
Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there.
>>>Reg Clemens said:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS
> > > gives
> > >
> > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key ID BDD
F997A
> > > Can't check signature: public key not found
> > >
> > > So, something else is missing.
> >
> > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
> >
> > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
> > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature from
> > which you know you have the public key.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.
> But no.
> Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this point whi
le
> it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.
> Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.
>
> Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so there
> must be something else that I am missing...
>
>
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>
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Re: ARRRGHHH Had GPG working, now it doesnt.
2 things - first, the switch parser changed in a subtle way with 8.4 -
byte-code compilation was added, and it is slightly more strict in
its parsing than the original parser. You can only have a comment where
Tcl would expect to find a command. Switch has a "pattern - body"
strucutre, so if you goof and put a comment where it is trying to find
a pattern, both of you will be confused with the results. The
subtlty arises with extra whitespace and newlines. I can't give you
the exact case, but I know exmh had one example that stopped parsing
correctly, and was arguably wrong before.
2nd - I've managed to remain fairly ignoranat of the PGP support in
exmh, so you'll have to dig in yourself or see if someone else on
exmh-users or exmh-workers is having similar problems.
>>>Reg Clemens said:
> > If you haven't already, you should enable the debug log under
> > Hacking Support preferences and look for clues there.
> >
> > >>>Reg Clemens said:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 00:05:03 MDT Reg Clemens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > > in messages with GnuPG signatures. But punching the line ALWAYS
> > > > > gives
> > > > >
> > > > > Signature made Thu Aug 29 00:27:17 2002 MDT using DSA key I
D BDD
> > F997A
> > > > > Can't check signature: public key not found
> > > > >
> > > > > So, something else is missing.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the public key of the signature you want to check :-).
> > > >
> > > > Are you really sure that you have the public key of the message's
> > > > signature? If not, try downloading it or try to check a signature fro
m
> > > > which you know you have the public key.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ah, sorry for not making that clearer.
> > > But no.
> > > Previously (v1.0.6 of GnuPG) there would be a slight pause at this poin
t whi
> > le
> > > it went out to get the public key from a keyserver.
> > > Now, whether I have the key or NOT, I get the failure message.
> > >
> > > Its as if it cant find gpg to execute it (but I fixed that path), so th
ere
> > > must be something else that I am missing...
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
>
>
> Partial solution.
> And this MAY be related to using tcl/tk 8.4b1, as I had a similar
> problem about a month ago elsewhere in EXMH (which you found).
>
> But first.
> I really feel like something has changed out from under me
> with my making no changes to EXMH. Namely, when I first got
> GPG up and working (for reading signatures) all I did was
> touch the 'Check Signature' button' and it went out and queried
> the keyserver for me.
> Now Im getting a separate box, after the failure to find the
> public key on my keyring, asking me of I want to 'Query keyserver'
>
> I KNOW that I never had to touch a 'Query keyserver' button in
> the past, but there it is now, and I havent touched EXMH. Spooky.
>
> I have been working back and forth between GPG 1.0.6 and 1.0.7
> but its not clear how that could be the problem, as Im now getting
> the 'Query' message when running either...
>
> ---
>
> OK, enough about my confusion.
> The CURRENT problem seems to be a COMMENT in a SWITCH statement
> at line 86 in pgpWWW.tcl. Tcl 8.4b1 doesnt like it and I get your
> popup box. Remove it and no popupbox, but EXMH hangs (sigh).
> So, not a complete solution, but at least a start.
>
> Thanks for the interest.
>
> Reg.Clemens
> reg@dwf.com
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Changed location of incoming mail. exmh not working!!
I use exmh 2.5 with procmail for presorting incoming mail and move it to
the relevant folder using rcvstore.
Recently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk.
I'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept
mail from the new location.
There seems to be a variable in exmh-defaults (bgspool). It says at the
top of the file not to edit these lines. So, I went ahead and edited it :-)
That does not make a difference.
It seems like procmail is the one that is actually reading the mail from
my spool/incoming mail area and piping it to rcvstore. So, I need to
configure that probably.
Any idea how I would do this?
Thanks
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Re: Changed location of incoming mail. exmh not working!!
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
It has been signed conforming to RFC2015.
You'll need PGP or GPG to check the signature.
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On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:40:53 PDT, Siva Doriaswamy writes:
>Recently, my incoming mail (or spool) location moved to another disk.
>I'm not quite clear how to reconfigure procmail/rcvstore/exmh to accept
>mail from the new location.
How do you feed procmail? Not with a .forward, I'd guess.
How does mail enter your system anyway? Per fetchmail maybe? Or direct
SMTP-delivery? Or does it just magically hit your spool?
Lotsa questions...
cheers,
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Sorting
Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation: I like to
sort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from most recent to oldest,
since I find this direction most efficient (I guess because it helps me
recognize the significance of individual, old messages). But this adds messages
to my other folders in the wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all
the folders I've changed.
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Re: Sorting
On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:05:55 PDT,
Rick Baartman <baartman@lin12.triumf.ca> wrote:
> Is there a way to do a global Sort command? Here's the situation:
> I like to sort by date every folder. I'm cleaning up my inbox from
> most recent to oldest, since I find this direction most efficient (I
> guess because it helps me recognize the significance of individual,
> old messages). But this adds messages to my other folders in the
> wrong order. When I'm done, I'd like to re-sort all the folders I've
> changed.
I don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to
other folders? What do you use to sort?
Tom
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> I don't understand. How does sorting one folder add messages to
> other folders? What do you use to sort?
>
Sorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to other folders
and since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they appear in those
folders in the wrong order and need re-sorting.
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Re: Sorting
On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:21:42 PDT,
Rick Baartman <baartman@lin12.triumf.ca> wrote:
> Sorry I wasn't clear. I am transferring messages from my inbox to
> other folders and since I am doing it from most recent to oldest, they
> appear in those folders in the wrong order and need re-sorting.
OK, gotcha.
I don't think you can do that with exmh, but you can do it on the
command line, if you use sh or ksh:
for f in `folders -fast -r`
do
echo sorting $f ...
sortm +$f
done
It could take a long time.
At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it. But it does a few
things right. Like making indices for each folder, and not just by
date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I can sort by any
column instantly.
I believe this is possible, too, with an IMAP compliant reader,
provided the IMAP server makes such indices.
I am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry
standards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix,
and I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow
link, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad
compared with modern mailers. I am just scared to move. I've been
using MH or nmh since 1985 and exmh since 1995. 17 years is a long
time!
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Re: Sorting
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:
> Is there a way to do a global Sort command?
Wanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has
a widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line
mh tools, though.
I suggest doing the following from a shell prompt:
sh -c 'for f in "`folders -recurse -fast`" ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
(The command "sortm" will sort a particular folder, and
"folders -recurse -fast" prints out a list of all of your folders.)
I hope this helps,
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Exmh/nmh (was Sorting)...
> I am facing the fact that exmh has been left behind in some industry
> standards. I use it for my personal mail. My mail server runs unix,
> and I connect over ssh and tunnel my X traffic over ssh. With a slow
> link, this makes exmh very slow. And mime handling is pretty bad
> compared with modern mailers.
These are some good comments and I'd like to share an opinion here. (Is that permitted? :)
I started using linux about 8 or 9 years ago in rebellion against what the university was doing with Winder$. I just couldn't get good support and was using a lot of unix-based tools (ported to Winder$) anyway. So, I jumped ship and became my own sysadm.
What I got was the easy ability to use a shell (now ssh) to connect to my office box from just about anywhere and use either exmh or nmh (from the command line). I can do email for the office fairly easily.
I haven't seen any other tools that let me do that yet. But, I have to admit, that some of the web-based mail software is getting pretty close. Quoting and such is still primitive, but they're moving forward.
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Re: Sorting
> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:
> > Is there a way to do a global Sort command?
>
>
> Wanting to sort like that is not common; I'd be surprised if exmh has
> a widget for it. You can achieve what you want with the command-line
> mh tools, though.
> I suggest doing the following from a shell prompt:
>
> sh -c 'for f in "`folders -recurse -fast`" ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
>
> (The command "sortm" will sort a particular folder, and
> "folders -recurse -fast" prints out a list of all of your folders.)
>
>
Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e.
sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
I'd attach this command to the sorting menu if I knew any tcl...
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Re: Sorting
> > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:
> Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e.
>
> sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
>
But there is a problem with making changes outside of exmh: the .xmhcache files
don't get updated. This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each folder
I enter. Is there a safeguard for this?
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Re: Sorting
> > sh -c 'for f in "`folders -recurse -fast`" ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
> Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes: i.e.
>
> sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
I may have a different version of "sh" than you do; the double quotes
around the backticks work for my "sh".
(In the more-than-you-really-wanted-to-know category, you're probably
safe without the double quotes. The only reason I put them in is that
I have some pathologically-named folders, including folders whose
names contain spaces. If all your folders have safe names, you don't
need special quoting.)
-Jacob
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>>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, "Rick" == Rick Baartman wrote:
Rick> This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each
Rick> folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this?
Nope. Regenerate the cache in the script
for f in `folders -fast -r`
do
echo sorting $f ...
sortm +$f
scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache
done
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I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the
use of the variable that was named "L" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl).
Its name got changed from L to lineno
But there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if
you attempt to use "link" with the current CVS version of exmh.
I guess that most of us don't use "link" very often ... I noticed it
last week, but only got time to look and see why today.
If someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would
apply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice.
(It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by
making the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and
applying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that
should be changed to $lineno)
kre
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--- ftoc.tcl.PREV Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002
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@@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@
}
}
incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1
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Done
>>>Robert Elz said:
> I suspect that as part of Chris' set of changes, he cleaned up the
> use of the variable that was named "L" in FtocCommit (in ftoc.tcl).
> Its name got changed from L to lineno
>
> But there's one reference of $L left. That causes tracebacks if
> you attempt to use "link" with the current CVS version of exmh.
>
> I guess that most of us don't use "link" very often ... I noticed it
> last week, but only got time to look and see why today.
>
> If someone with the ability to commit to the CVS repository would
> apply the following patch (to lib/ftoc.tcl) that would be nice.
> (It works... and is trivial, and you could perhaps just apply it by
> making the change with an editor faster than saving this patch and
> applying it - there's only one instance of $L in the file, that
> should be changed to $lineno)
>
> kre
>
>
> --- ftoc.tcl.PREV Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002
> +++ ftoc.tcl Tue Sep 10 12:47:06 2002
> @@ -1131,9 +1131,9 @@
> }
> }
> incr ftoc(numMsgs) -1
> } else {
> - FtocUnmarkInner $L
> + FtocUnmarkInner $lineno
> }
> incr ftoc(changed) -1
> }
> if {$delmsgs != {}} {
>
> --==_Exmh_16073047980--
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> scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache
Shouldn't that read
scan >`mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache
?
(And, JIC something else changed the context in the background, it
doesn't hurt to explicitly state the folder:
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On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400
Tom Reingold <noglider@pobox.com> wrote:
> At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it.
Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get
escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return the
next day to collect their office contents).
> But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder,
> and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I
> can sort by any column instantly.
Have you looked into using a custom sequences file?
> And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers.
The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME.
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 PDT,
J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:36:37 -0400
> Tom Reingold <noglider@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > At work, I have to use Outlook. Ick. I hate it.
>
> Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They get
> escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return the
> next day to collect their office contents).
Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?
> > But it does a few things right. Like making indices for each folder,
> > and not just by date, but also by sender, message size, subject. So I
> > can sort by any column instantly.
>
> Have you looked into using a custom sequences file?
More detail please? I do use sequences, so I'm familiar with their
use, but how can I make indices with them, and how can I keep them
up to date?
> > And mime handling is pretty bad compared with modern mailers.
>
> The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME.
You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on
a very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak.
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Tom Reingold wrote:
> >
> > Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true:
> > They get escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and
> > told to return the next day to collect their office contents).
>
> Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?
>
It has been described as "the technological equivalent of
soliciting blood transfusions from random strangers in the
street". In short - it's a virus magnet.
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:29:26 -0400
Tom Reingold <noglider@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:20:56 PDT, J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> wrote:
>> Ahh. At work we fire people who use Outlook (Literally true: They
>> get escorted to the door, their badge confiscated, and told to return
>> the next day to collect their office contents).
> Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?
It places the company, corporate network and data at risk.
Outlook is subject to an (absurdly large) number of exploits with more
being regularly found. An exploited system, to whatever extent, places
other corporate systems at risk, customer systems at risk, company
reputation and liability with customers at risk, and
proprietary/corporate data at risk. Further, users cannot be reliably
expected to use Outlook in a safe manner. The net result is that
Outlook use is considered to be somewhere between criminal negligence
and deliberately malicious as far as the employer is concerned.
>> Have you looked into using a custom sequences file?
> More detail please? I do use sequences, so I'm familiar with their
> use, but how can I make indices with them, and how can I keep them up
> to date?
I don't use custom sequences, so I can't comment well. I suspect that
you'd have to use a cron job to maintain the sequences.
>> The only thing I actually miss in that regard is support for S/MIME.
> You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on a
> very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak.
Nope. I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
SSH X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to
(this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
machine.
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> From: Hal DeVore <haldevore@acm.org>
> Sender: exmh-users-admin@spamassassin.taint.org
> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 22:06:58 -0500
>
>
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, "Rick" == Rick Baartman wrote:
>
> Rick> This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each
> Rick> folder I enter. Is there a safeguard for this?
>
> Nope. Regenerate the cache in the script
>
> for f in `folders -fast -r`
> do
> echo sorting $f ...
> sortm +$f
> scan `mhpath +`/$f/.xmhcache
> done
>
> --Hal
Here is the little script I run I run nightly from cron. It does a
general tidying of things including sorting and updating the cache.
I didn't write it and I'm afraid I have lost track of who did, but
it's worked well for years. I run a similar one to update the glimpse
indices nightly.
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634
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#
# Sorts all folders
#
# We don't want to sort the drafts folder (and the folders ~/Mail/.glimpse/)
#
# default field to sort .: date
# default scan width ....: 100
#
set MH_DIR=/usr/local/nmh/bin
set MAIL=/home/oberman/Mail
# update $MAIL/.folders
$MH_DIR/folders -fast -recurse -all > $MAIL/.folders
# thru all folders ...
foreach i ( `cat $MAIL/.folders | grep -v \.glim | grep -v drafts` )
# sort the stuff
$MH_DIR/mh/sortm +$i -datefield date >& /dev/null
# and update the cache
$MH_DIR/scan +$i -width 100 > $MAIL/$i/.xmhcache
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:32 BST,
James Gibbon <james.gibbon@virgin.net> wrote:
>
> Tom Reingold wrote:
>
> > Why? What threat does Outlook pose to your organization?
> >
>
> It has been described as "the technological equivalent of
> soliciting blood transfusions from random strangers in the
> street". In short - it's a virus magnet.
Oh, that. Well, you're right.
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> > You're probably running exmh on a local machine. I'm running it on a
> > very remote machine. In this scenario, the mime handling is weak.
>
> Nope. I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
> exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
> SSH X11 forwarding).
I run exmh routinely from home (broadband) using an XWindows Client tunneled through ssh under <ahem> WinXP. It works very well in this fashion.
FWIW, I use Eudora under Winder$ because it's less of a virus magnet. :)
There's more to the story why I run Winder$, but that's really off-topic and I'm already guilty!
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There is an "Update all scan caches" menu entry that rescans your
folders similar to the short scripts folks have shared around. It
runs in the background.
>>>Rick Baartman said:
> > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Rick Baartman wrote:
> > Thanks Tom and Jacob. The above works, but without the double quotes:
i.e.
> >
> > sh -c 'for f in `folders -recurse -fast` ; do sortm +"$f" ; done'
> >
> But there is a problem with making changes outside of exmh: the
.xmhcache fi
les
> don't get updated. This is dangerous; I have to remember to re-scan each
fol
der
> I enter. Is there a safeguard for this?
>
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes:
>I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting
>exmh windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis
>SSH X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to
>(this message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>machine.
So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running?
That's what I usually do, but what I'd really like would be some
automagism to tell them "Flist", "Rescan Folder", which I now do
manually whenever I'm going to work at the "other" machine.
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Thanks Brent: now it's clearer (to me) what's needed. I've used the global
sort and J C Lawrence's re-scan, but there is still a vulnerability there:
If I have an instance of exmh running, the folder I'm visiting will have
its new, correct .xmhcache overwritten with an incorrect one when I switch
folders. I can cron the sort and re-scan process, but I should kill running
exmh's first.
Best would be to have a button for "Global sort and update all scan caches"
in the exmh More... menu
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>>>>> "Brent" == Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com>
>>>>> wrote the following on Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:31:48 -0700
Brent> There is an "Update all scan caches" menu entry that rescans your
Brent> folders similar to the short scripts folks have shared around. It
Brent> runs in the background.
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:24:46 +0200
Robert Waldner <waldner@waldner.priv.at> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:27:12 PDT, J C Lawrence writes:
>> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh
>> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH
>> X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to (this
>> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>> machine.
> So you have 4 copies (1+1 per desktop) of exmh running?
Yes.
One of the nicer aspects of exmh's colour handling is that while I have
the default background for the message pane set to black, the second
insance of exmh displaying to a given $DISPLAY will set the background
of the message pane to darkslategray. Very nice as it provides an
instant visual cue as to which is which. (No: I've not checked where it
gets that colour selection from).
> That's what I usually do, but what I'd really like would be some
> automagism to tell them "Flist", "Rescan Folder", which I now do
> manually whenever I'm going to work at the "other" machine.
<nod>
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>> I run exmh on my desktops at home and at work with the resulting exmh
>> windows being displayed on both my work and home desktops (gratis SSH
>> X11 forwarding). In fact, your message was read and replied to (this
>> message) while at work, using an exmh instance running on my home
>> machine.
Just to throw in another approach to solving the same problem.
I run two copies of exmh, one at work, one at home. They both
display on a "virtual X server" created by vncserver on the home
box. I connect to that virtual X server using vncviewer wherever
I happen to be. The VNC connection is tunneled over ssh and is
carried over the Internet via an IPSEC appliance.
That gives me access to both home and work email from either
place without the complications involved in having two copies of
exmh working on the same set of folders.
It's a tad slow viewing work email when I'm at work ... but not
so bad that I can't stand it.
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Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know
much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some
talk about "issues" with the latest version of gpg.
>>>Hacksaw said:
> version 2.5 08/15/2002
> Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6
17:09:31
> EDT 2001 i686 unknown
> Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3
>
> It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's something
that
> manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you might help me track it
down.
>
> When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase,
it
> first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It tells
me m
y
> passphrase is incorrect every time, at which point exmh offers me the
line i
n
> the message about decrypting. I click the line and it offers me the
dialog
> box, and tells me the passphrase is correct, and shows me the decrypted
> message.
>
> Any ideas on that?
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The way to debug something like this is to turn on the log (Preferences
-> Hacking Support -> Debug log enabled) and track the gpg commands
being issued and the responses.
FWIW, using exmh 2.5 and gpg 1.0.7 I do not have problems sending
encrypted messages to myself. When I select the message, an xterm
window pops up asking for the passphrase. I don't recall exmh ever
asking me for the passphrase from the tty that started exmh nor from a
dialog box. (But then again, I'm not a heavy gpg user).
Kevin
In message <200209111917.PAA02912@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes:
> Hmm - I'm cc'ing the exmh-workers list, because I really don't know
> much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some
> talk about "issues" with the latest version of gpg.
>
> >>>Hacksaw said:
> > version 2.5 08/15/2002
> > Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31
> > EDT 2001 i686 unknown
> > Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3
> >
> > It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's something
> > that manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you might help me track
> > it down.
> >
> > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase,
> > it first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It
> > tells me my passphrase is incorrect every time, at which point exmh
> > offers me the line in the message about decrypting. I click the line
> > and it offers me the dialog box, and tells me the passphrase is correct,
> > and shows me the decrypted message.
> >
> > Any ideas on that?
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On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:17:33 PDT, Brent Welch said:
> >>>Hacksaw said:
> > When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a passphrase,
> it
> > first tries to ask me via the tty under which exmh is running. It tells
>
Hmm.. I've seen the *opposite* issue - if I go to *SEND* a signed message,
sometimes Exmh will put up the dialog box, but fail to set keyboard focus
there, so no passphrase can be entered. Of course, hitting 'return' doesnt
work so you need to click the 'OK' box, at which point it finds that the
passphrase that wasn't entered doesn't work, and asks again, this time with
proper focus set.
I suspect some variable/codepath is getting hosed for the focus, or possibly
some borkedness with --no-tty and/or --status-fd flags to gnupg.
/Valdis
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Gotta wonder what the GPG config stuff in ~/.exmh/exmh-defaults looks
like. Also gotta wonder what the message headers in the offending
message are saying to nmh/exmh. My set-up works perfectly. That is,
I get a pop-up window to enter my passphrase into, and when I type it
correctly, the message display changes from a prompt to click to
decrypt to the message content.
TTFN....
On 11 September 2002 at 12:17, Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> wrote:
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much about the various PGP interfaces. I think there has been some
talk about "issues" with the latest version of gpg.
>>>Hacksaw said:
> version 2.5 08/15/2002
> Linux habitrail.home.fools-errant.com 2.4.7-10smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 6 17:09:31
> EDT 2001 i686 unknown
> Tk 8.3 Tcl 8.3
>
> It's not clear to me this is a bug with exmh per se, but it's
> something that manifests through exmh, so I figured asking you
> might help me track it down.
>
> When I receive a gpg encrypted message, and it asks me for a
> passphrase, it first tries to ask me via the tty under which
> exmh is running. It tells me my passphrase is incorrect every
> time, at which point exmh offers me the line in the message
> about decrypting. I click the line and it offers me the dialog
> box, and tells me the passphrase is correct, and shows me the
> decrypted message.
>
> Any ideas on that?
> --
> Honour necessity.
> http://www.hacksaw.org -- http://www.privatecircus.com -- KB1FVD
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