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"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments"

"confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better ."

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"I ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture"

"I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"I take a step back look at this big picture"

"I 'm confused by your rationale basically all over the"

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"and look at all the . is that to makes"

"I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water"

"I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion"

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water , I can ’ t help but think of it as the grossest , darkest tease life can contain . Here we are , debating philosophy , which is a celebration of life and the blessings of existence , and all the while these  “ would-be beings ” are getting blotted out of existence by the very dance that is our celebration . We rejoice in our lives in these debates , and flaunt that merriment by using it as a means to keep others out of life . I think about it and I feel like reality is being raped in some abhorrent way – like their reality is being raped by ours . Thinking about it makes me nauseous ."

"I 'm confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better . I disagree we are debating philosophy here but discussing far less abstract real world issues and how they relate to the matter of abortion ."

DISAGREE

"I don ’ t know about you , but if I take a step back , and look at this big picture , with all these beings debating over whether or not these arguments can philosophically or morally hold water ,"

"'m confused by your rationale in your post as it is basically all over the place- perhaps you could clarify your position better ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean"

"G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us"

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant"

"fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant"

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean"

"G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean ,"

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch"

"suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure ."

"I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

"I may just be being picky , but it bothers me when a reputable journal like NS can print A species of Darwin 's finch in the Galapagos has evolved a smaller beak to avoid competing with a larger-billed recent immigrant You know what they mean , I know what they mean , but as someone involved in teaching evolution to high school kids I wish they 'd avoid the implication of purposeful change and just refer to beak size changing in response to new selective pressure . As I said , I may just be being nit-picky . Language apart , this is another nice example of evolutionary change happening right before our eyes ."

"I suppose the correct terminology would be that G. fortis evolved a smaller beak due to competition from a larger billed recent imigrant . I suppose that we just are n't subjected to the same word selection pressures this side of the Atlantic . To Ooaman ; This is evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations , which is the unit that evolutionary change occurs . Obviously a generation of a small bird is n't as long as it is for us , for example ."

AGREE

"I may just be being picky recent immigrant"

"the correct terminology evolution as observed across a span of a couple of generations"

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done ,"

"but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades ."

"that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion"

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality"

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"lots of good science is being done"

"that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades ,"

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"perfectly well that lots of good science is being done"

"I know you keep claiming that accurate depiction of reality"

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system"

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

DISAGREE

"You know perfectly well that lots of good science is being done , particularly over the past few decades , that supports the devo-evo , neo-lamarckian , whole-system , responsive , dynamic , teleological view of biological evolution , that is , ID , and contradicts your particulate , passive , accidental , directionless and random darwinian notion ."

"I know you keep claiming that , but that is not an accurate depiction of reality ."

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic"

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ?"

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic ."

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ?"

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up open your eyes"

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ?"

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes"

"place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ?"

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

"Lurch ? Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen ? It is much more logical to believe in some all knowing but unknowable magic being who poofed everything into existance and then created all of the evidence to make it appear as if he did n't ."

DISAGREE

"Wake up friend and open your eyes ."

"And instead place my faith in the mythology of nomadic herdsmen"

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ?"

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ?"

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley"

"Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ?"

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO"

"Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there"

"XXX ? ! She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ? Was she looking for trouble ? Police would certainly want to know what she was doing there ."

DISAGREE

"She is n't allowed to walk down a public alley IYO ?"

"You know I 'm not saying that . Is there no alley you 'd avoid given the chance ?"

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion"

"The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion"

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal ."

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"What if"

"what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ?"

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ?"

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"agree with you on the surface where is the right to life organizations"

"What if pigs had wings This is what 's wrong with the premise"

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article ,"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds ."

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval that a pregnant woman was tasered ? What if the woman had lost the baby because she was tasered would n't that be considered the police performing an abortion ?"

"What if pigs had wings , they would make huge birds . But what do `` what ifs `` have to do with what really happened ? The child did n't die and if it had , it would n't have been an abortion , it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime . This is what 's wrong with the premise of antonia 's thread subject here , yet she could n't discern that before posting this since she was intent on finding an avenue to attack pro-lifers with . And you are as irrational as she is for not seeing through her fallacious argument . After all , she ca n't even see how utterly hypocritical it is to blame pro-lifers for what occurred in this article while remaining oblivious to the carnage her pro-death ideology is responsible for to the tune of 1.4 million innocent children being killed each year in the USA alone ."

DISAGREE

"I do agree with you on the surface , however where is the right to life organizations , in this article , statements of disapproval"

"it would have been between murder at the most , and negligent homicide , if not manslaughter , but not an abortion by any stretch of the law 's interpretation since abortions are legal . And had the fetus died , the cops would have been charged with a crime ."

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing ."

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work"

"Why do people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same thing . Why do you constantly try and oversimplify things by claiming that gun control will work , while at the same time not discussing matters relating to income , surroundings , upbringing , recidivism rates , prison sentences and other such matters ?"

DISAGREE

"people on the pro-gun side continuously try to oversimplify the issue ?"

"We could ask you the same claiming that gun control will work"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period"

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee ."

"any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee ."

"Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"Calibration of Ediacaran evolutionary progression of animal fossils"

"any creationist want to tell us why radiometric dating techniques"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee ."

"any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval ,"

"Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee ."

"any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ?"

"GEOLOGY : The Calibration of Ediacaran Time Alan J. Kaufman * More than a century ago , the last great geological period was formally ratified by an international committee . This was the final rocky step in the subdivision of deep time based on the evolutionary progression of animal fossils . However , recent years have seen the identification of an older and tumultuous new interval , the Ediacaran Period , during which Earth 's earliest soft-bodied organisms emerged in the oceans . This interval was recently ratified ( 1 ) , underscoring advances in the absolute dating ( 2-6 ) and worldwide correlation of geological strata that were deposited in isolated basins before true animals exploded onto the scene in the succeeding Cambrian Period . On page 95 of this issue , Condon et al . ( 7 ) present precise age constraints for the Ediacaran Period . The authors have analyzed volcanic dust in two key depositional layers in the Doushantuo Formation of southern China . Their radiometric dates provide important insights into the rates of geological and evolutionary processes . The first layer , with an age of about 635 million years , is at the base of the new interval , whereas the second , at about 550 million years , may constrain the age of an environmental disaster ( 8-10 ) that is closely associated with the rapid diversification of the Ediacara biota ( see the figure ) that lend their name to the new Period . http : //www.sciencemag.org/content/vo ... m/59-1-med.gif Figure 1 Early animals ? A pile of three-dimensionally preserved casts of the soft-bodied Ediacaran organism Ernietta from ~545 million-year-old sediments in the Nama Group of southern Namibia . The scale bar corresponds to 15 cm . Convention previously focused on the evolutionary first appearance of a specific fossil or assemblage to define the beginning of new geological periods . In contrast , the beginning of the Ediacaran period is defined by the base of a marine carbonate rock , which formed in southern Australia in the aftermath of a distinctive and potentially global ice age ( 11 , 12 ) . Equivalent glacial rocks occur immediately beneath similar carbonates at the base of the Doushantuo Formation . In the area studied by Condon et al. , the new ages constrain the Doushantuo Formation , which represents most of the Ediacaran Period , to some 85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock . This observation begs the question : How much time may be missing in Ediacaran strata from southern China ? In the absence of dates between the two radiometric tie points , one must consider two possibilities : Either the sediments accumulated continuously , albeit slowly ( some two orders of magnitude more slowly than in similar environments of the same age ) , or there are breaks in time ( hiatuses or unconformities ) hidden within the poorly exposed layers . On the basis of limited physical data , Condon et al . suggest the presence of two such unconformities in their study area near the Yangtze Gorges . The duration of these stratigraphic breaks with respect to the environmental anomaly -- reflecting a dramatic change in the cycling of carbon on Earth 's surface -- and subsequent biological innovations form the cornerstone of their conclusions , and deserve closer examination . Spectacular fossil animal embryos ( 13 , 14 ) of great evolutionary importance are found at Weng'an ( some 375 km to the southwest of the authors ' study area ) , where the Doushantuo Formation accumulated closer to the shoreline and records only a single surface of unconformity . In such nearshore environments , oceanic sediments are often exposed above sea level , resulting in the removal of underlying sediments and hence the erasure of some fraction of geological time . Which of the two hiatal surfaces from the deeper-water sections at the Yangtze Gorges correlates to the single unconformity at Weng'an ? The data are more equivocal than presented by Condon et al. , and the choice carries important evolutionary consequences . At the Yangtze Gorges , the extraordinary carbon cycle anomaly recorded in marine carbonates near the top of the Doushanto Formation is truncated by the uppermost unconformity . Condon et al . suggest that there is little time missing across the surface , thereby preserving a causal relation between the environmental perturbation and the rapid diversification of Ediacara organisms and associated faunas around 550 million years ago . However , correlation of this surface and the intervening sediments back to Weng'an tells another story . At Weng'an , both the carbon cycle anomaly and the sediments typical of the uppermost Doushantuo Formation at the Yangtze Gorges are missing , implying a substantial hiatus . Comparison of broadly equivalent strata in southern Australia and the western United States suggests a stratigraphic architecture similar to that in southern China , where similar carbon cycle anomalies are truncated by unconformities ( 15 ) . In the western United States , the post-anomaly unconformity removes a minimum of 130 m of section , more than the entire thickness of the Doushantuo Formation . These observations suggest that the unconformity separating the Ediacaran faunas and the carbon cycle anomaly in southern China may , in fact , hide a lot of time , thereby decoupling the environmental and biological events that the authors wish to connect . This is not meant to detract from the important radiometric calibration that Condon et al . provide , but rather to note that the stratigraphic relations between these dates , and therefore their connection to evolutionary events , are far from straightforward . According to Condon et al. , the rapid diversification of complex multicellular organisms in Ediacaran oceans forced the carbon cycle anomaly seen worldwide , but this seems possible only if there is no real time missing across the upper Doushantuo unconformity . If this is not the case , then this interpretation may be placing the cart before the horse . Alternative models suggest that environmental changes may have driven evolutionary transformations . In particular , atmospheric oxygen -- long believed to be an external forcing factor to evolution -- appears to have built up rapidly during the Ediacaran Period , not because of a discrete biological event but as a result of the tectonic forces that lift and erode mountain ranges ( 16 ) . Through precise radiometric clocks and clever stratigraphic connections , geoscientists can increasingly correlate Ediacaran sediments that are separated widely in space and time . These tools allow us to piece together a complex puzzle of unforgettable biological events against a background of repetitive climatic and environmental perturbations . However , even with exact dates , the cyclicity of these events and the specter of a fragmentary rock record add uncertainty to our picture of Ediacaran Earth history . References 1 . A. H. Knoll et al. , Science 305 , [ 621 ] ( 2004 ) . 2 . J. P. Grotzinger et al. , Science 270 , [ 598 ] ( 1995 ) . 3 . M. W. Martin et al. , Science 288 , [ 841 ] ( 2000 ) . 4 . J. E. Amthor et al. , Geology 31 , 431 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 5 . K.-H. Hoffmann et al. , Geology 32 , 817 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 6 . C. R. Zhou et al. , Geology 32 , 437 ( 2004 ) [ Abstract ] . 7 . D. Condon et al. , Science 308 , 95 ( 2005 ) ; published online 24 February 2005 ( 10.1126/science.1107765 ) . 8 . S. J. Burns , A . Matter , Eclogae Geol . Helv . 86 , 595 ( 1993 ) . 9 . C. R. Calver , Precambrian Res . 100 , 121 ( 2000 ) [ Abstract ] . 10 . F. A. Corsetti , A. J. Kaufman , Geol . Soc . Am . Bull . 115 , 916 ( 2003 ) [ Abstract ] . 11 . P. F. Hoffman et al. , Science 281 , [ 1342 ] ( 1998 ) . 12 . P. F. Hoffman , D. P. Schrag , Terra Nova 14 , 129 ( 2002 ) [ Abstract ] . 13 . S. H. Xiao et al. , Nature 391 , 553 ( 1998 ) [ Abstract ] . 14 . J. Y. Chen et al. , Science 305 , [ 218 ] ( 2004 ) . 15 . N. Christie-Blick et al. , Am . J. Sci . 290A , 295 ( 1990 ) . 16 . A. J. Kaufman , F. A. Corsetti , EOS Trans . AGU 85 , Fall Meet . Suppl . Abstr . PP41A-0575 ( 2004 ) ."

"So , any creationist want to tell us why these people are so wrong ? Is the international committee a sign of a conspiracy ? Are they trying to hide the fact that radiometric dating techniques do n't work ? Is there really a strong causal relationship between the environmental changes recorded in the rocks and the fossils found there ? Is there really `` missing time `` or was the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ? Is atmospheric oxygen a result of tectonic forces ? Well , what part of this article do creationist object to ?"

DISAGREE

"85 million years -- a remarkably long interval for only about 100 m of rock"

"the 85 million years of the Ediacaran Period really contained in 100m of rock ?"

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage"

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush"

"large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage"

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage ."

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively"

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage"

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"Well try Arkansas All of these margins were well above the percentage"

"Here in the Midwest Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage"

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage ."

"Well try Arkansas ( 75/25 ) , Georgia ( 76/24 ) , Kentucky ( 75/25 ) , Michigan ( 59/41 ) , Mississippi ( 86/14 ) , Montana ( 67/33 ) , North Dakota ( 73/27 ) , Ohio ( 62/38 ) , Oklahoma ( 76/24 ) , Oregon ( 57/43 ) , and Utah ( 66/34 ) . All of these margins were well above the percentage of votes cast for Bush and Kerry , respectively . Ohio , for instance , went to Bush by 2 % , but the ban was passed by 24 % . Bush lost Oregon by 4 % , but the ban passed by 14 % . Bush lost Michigan by 3 % , but the ban passed by 18 % . The margin of victory for each of these states exceeds George Bush 's margin of victory in that state . Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage . It truly was a cross-over issue that transcended party politics ."

AGREE

"Those extra votes had to come from somewhere , and it seems like many people other than the `` religious right `` feel the same way ."

"Here in the Midwest , large numbers of diehard black Democrats voted for Kerry and against gay marriage ."

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"someone reports something against science"

"inconsistent with science rejected because it is unscientific ?"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific ,"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific"

"science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

"2 ) If someone reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"Are you saying that an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific , or are you saying that it should not be rejected because it is unscientific ?"

DISAGREE

"reports something against science , it 's rejected as 'unscientific '"

"an argument that is inconsistent with science should not be called unscientific"

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics ."

"Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years"

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head"

"Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people"

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics"

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ?"

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ?"

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head ."

"So you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years ...."

DISAGREE

"Milesian Race vs Anglo-Saxon race . They just happen to be Protestants and Catholics . Sorry , I should have known that would be over your head"

"you subscribe to the inaccurate idea that Irish people are part of a different group to the English people ? Genetics indicate that the UK is made up of a fairly homogenous group of people stretching back for thousands of years"

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ?"

"because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism ."

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"Many Christians Evolution is very doubtful"

"because the bible is over 2000 years You do n't have any absolute proof"

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God"

"You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history"

"the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion"

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God ``"

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism ."

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church"

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

"Many Christians often say that the proofs for Evolution is very doubtful ... hmmm ... but is n't the `` Word of God `` in the bible doubtful , too ? I mean , it is just a book that is over 2000 years old . Throughout history there have been many people who tried to manipulate the basics of church . There is no real and definite proof that the words in the bible are the complete truth and that 's why there is no real proof for Creationism ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable , I mean your placing all your money on a billion year old one cell organism . You do n't have any absolute proof and neither do I ."

DISAGREE

"it is just a book that is over 2000 years old ."

"Just because the bible is over 2000 years old does n't make it unreliable ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks"

"You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating"

"appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"You think that you can date fossils appropriate rock samples"

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon"

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon ."

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ? It is wrong for two reasons ; the fossils are too old and they are rock . You ca n't date rocks with carbon dating . How do you KNOW the bones are old ? Just because someone says they are ?"

"I see that you missed to point . I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating . You think that you can date fossils of this age with carbon . You also seem to think that you can date rocks with carbon 14 . You ca n't . Time after time you reveal your ignorance by your inability to respond appropriately . KNM-WT 15000 was dated from stratigraphic studies of the area and dating of specific , appropriate rock samples from above and below the fossils ."

DISAGREE

"How ignorant does anyone have to be to not be aware that carbon dating is not appropriate for dating H. erectus ?"

"I was correcting you lack of knowledge about carbon 14 dating ."

"yea I did n't get an answer there , and I probably wo n't get one here either ."

"Well , answering you seems to be a waste of time . You ignore/reject any attempts at explaining the things you clearly do not understand , and youlater bring up the exact same things that you have had explained to you as if the subject was never broached before . You are incorrigible and uneducable ."

DISAGREE

"yea I did n't get an answer there , and I probably wo n't get one here either"

"answering you seems to be a waste of time ."

"yea I did n't get an answer there , and I probably wo n't get one here either ."

"Well , answering you seems to be a waste of time . You ignore/reject any attempts at explaining the things you clearly do not understand , and youlater bring up the exact same things that you have had explained to you as if the subject was never broached before . You are incorrigible and uneducable ."

DISAGREE

"yea I did n't get an answer there , and I probably wo n't get one here either ."

"Well , answering you seems to be a waste of time ."