video_id
stringlengths 11
11
| text
stringlengths 361
490
| start_second
int64 0
11.3k
| end_second
int64 18
11.3k
| url
stringlengths 48
52
| title
stringlengths 0
100
| thumbnail
stringlengths 0
52
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Doesn't have to think. Doesn't have to take itself as an object. Just consciousness itself. Then, that deepest part of ourselves, if it wakes up suddenly, and within our experience, then the quality of our experience changes dramatically, from this ordinary experience where I'm over here, I am limited to my body, I'm limited to my surface of my skin, whatever | 2,097 | 2,123 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2097s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | my mind has constructed and learned over the course of my life, who I am, what the world is, how to relate to each other, how I relate to others. So, we have this elaborate self-world model inside our head that filters everything you experience. That takes a break temporarily, however briefly, and suddenly we experience that everything is one reality. One interdependent, but also at the same time, one consciousness that seems to extend, that's | 2,123 | 2,154 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2123s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | the experience and encompasses everything. I think that religiosity tried to capture what this is. When the theistic religion says that God is simultaneously transcendent and immanent in all things. So, in all things. In this experience here that we're having, right now sitting in this wonderful place, this is the experience of God being transcendent and immanent at the same time. | 2,154 | 2,184 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2154s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | That is one way of saying it, right? I didn't look at it that way, but that's very true. So, another way to say it is that we have two sides to our consciousness. One side is mind that creates experience. The other side is awareness which is just like a mirror. It simply register what is happening without doing anything to it. The two are different. In this view, they're separated by the substrate which is kind of like an unconscious film. | 2,184 | 2,211 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2184s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Matrix. It actually exists in the universe, they say. I don't. What's interesting, what happens is when the mind wants to find what consciousness is, it just finds itself. It finds attention, it finds intelligence, and it finds vigilance, but it can't ... If it doesn't know how, it can't penetrate through this unconscious substrate. And then it's basically concludes there is no consciousness. | 2,211 | 2,239 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2211s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | It's just a mental processes, right? From the side of awareness, what the substrate does is awareness can't recognize itself. It can't recognize what it is directly so it experiences itself as a subject who is having experience. From that perspective, spirituality and spiritual beliefs are consciousness trying to find itself. It's trying to figure out what it is. | 2,239 | 2,265 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2239s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | So, Barbara, can you take us back to the earliest evidence that we have for that kind of internal self-reflection that ultimately we think may have been the seeds for religiosity? The first thing I'd like to start and say is that, yes, it's certainly true that we attribute intentionality to a lot of animals, but the fact also is that they are intentional. So, we certainly don't have a corner on the market of intentionality or consciousness | 2,265 | 2,295 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2265s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | or sentience or any of these other things. But if we're going to talk about the human evolutionary trajectory, we know that our species is about 200,000 years old. Our genus is around 2.4 million years old. So the question becomes when do we start seeing any of these symptoms, if you will. It's very interesting that there's a cave in South Africa, Rising Star cave, that is | 2,295 | 2,321 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2295s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | the home of this human, perhaps ancestor, but hominid in any case, called Homo naledi and apparently there were numbers of individuals who were literally dragged by others into a very deep, subterranean chamber in this cave. So, Rising Star is a very famous project in paleo anthropology and one can watch often live feeds of the scientists trying to study these chambers and they have to crawl through | 2,321 | 2,348 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2321s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | these incredibly small passageways. And yet, we know that approximately 250,000 years ago, people were disposing of their dead in very intentional ritual ways, going through a lot of effort and a lot of energy to do this. The problem becomes- Is that controversial or is that why? Beside the fact that they're bringing the people to the chamber is not particularly | 2,348 | 2,376 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2348s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | controversial. The next step… But whether it was a ritual burial. Exactly. The next step is controversial because of course we have this small problem, which is that belief doesn't fossilize, so we don't know, and we have people, we have a chamber, and we have our minds and as we're talking about we're searching and yearning always to figure this out. But isn't it the case though that it's ... the people of ... anthropologists have already | 2,376 | 2,400 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2376s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | discovered, let's say Homo neanderthals skeletons that are ... You know, they've been buried and posed in a particular way with things around them and so, it's- Like in Sungir, right? Right, but we're going in a kind of order so I'm starting a little earlier than Neanderthals. We have the roots of Neanderthal populations this time, but what's so fascinating is that | 2,400 | 2,420 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2400s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | the Neanderthal burials don't come to a hundred thousand years ago or 60,000 years ago in Sungir in Russia, which is a Homo sapiens site just mentioned, is like 27,000. So, my idea is that, again, we have some glimmers and some intriguing hints, 250,000 years ago. Now, let's just fast forward, let me leap over many thousands of years, we've come to Neanderthals. | 2,420 | 2,444 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2420s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | They are not our ancestors. They are our cousins. We used to say that they lived from 200 something thousand to 40,000 and then they went extinct. We no longer say that because here in the audience there's tons of Neanderthal genetic material and many populations, except some populations in Africa because we did not have Neanderthals in Africa, we find just as you were saying, Lisa, that there are very intentional | 2,444 | 2,471 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2444s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | burials with all kinds of grave goods. So people didn't just stick people in the earth. They marked the graves as something special. To give you one example, there's a 40,000 year old burial of a toddler in what's today Spain, with a hearth all around, 60 sets of oryx and bison horns, a rhino skull. This was a place that mattered. In some sense we can think of it as a sacred place. | 2,471 | 2,498 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2471s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | The question is, is there belief in an afterlife? Is there belief in supernatural beings? How would we know? We're imposing a great deal of our framework onto the past. Keep going in time, we come to cave art. And, of course, we're familiar with the cave paintings. These are not only early Homo sapiens, but also in some cases Neanderthals. We do know that now. | 2,498 | 2,522 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2498s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | This is a relatively recent discovery, that we are not the only cave painters, but what's fascinating for me about this is you have these glorious depictions of animals that these people hunted, but in addition to that, some very mystical and fantastic figures. A bird-headed man in Lascaux cave in France. A human that is part bison. Some other just wild figures. | 2,522 | 2,546 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2522s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | So this is not just people representing the reality they saw before them, but rather there's an interest in what is not in front of you, what is not just here and now. We fast forward one more time. We go to Turkey, to this particular, perhaps temple, Gobekli Tepe, is dated to that period on a hill in Turkey. Massive 50 ton blocks that people moved onto a hillside and carved with, again, elaborate, | 2,546 | 2,576 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2546s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | largely animal, images. We think this is a ritual space. Not everyone agrees. This is contentious. But in every single case there is a good argument to be made for the possibility of the human brain uncoupling itself from the here and now, to think about these questions of the supernatural. And we have hints. We have to go forward in time again before we come to a really institutionalized religious | 2,576 | 2,605 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2576s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | system. But again, the reason that I think the human religious imagination evolved because of all these earlier cues. Right, right. I think it's important ... I think that Barbara's bringing up something really important and that is, we're all talking ... We're sort of fluidly talking back and forth as if spirituality and religiosity are identical forms of meaning making and they're really not. | 2,605 | 2,629 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2605s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | There are many, many ways to be spiritual. Some involve belief in a supernatural deity with agency, but not all of them do, right? Some of them ... sometimes spirituality means just being full of awe and wonder at something larger than you, that transcends itself transcendence, like in connecting with nature for example. As Einstein was saying in his book. Exactly, and I think ... So, one way to think about this is that when we're talking about | 2,629 | 2,660 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2629s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | the evolution of religious thought or spiritual thought or we're talking about the biology of spiritual thought, we have to be thinking about the fact that we're talking about different psychological features here. One has to do with connecting to something in the moment that's bigger than you and that might transcend you. One element or feature is about explanation, right? | 2,660 | 2,687 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2660s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Another is about agency. And so those may not have all evolved at the same time, or perhaps they're not all meaningful for all people, so maybe everyone in this room has had a spiritual experience. They might not call it that, but they've had an experience where they've connected to something that's bigger than themselves that leaves them feeling awestruck, but not everyone would | 2,687 | 2,712 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2687s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | take the additional steps of trying to find an explanation in that or trying to find agency in that and so forth. But if we do go and focus on beliefs that do transcend just a sense that there's a larger reality that you were a part of and goes toward a supernatural belief in things that science typically would not confirm, do you see the potential for an adaptive value, for a progression | 2,712 | 2,739 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2712s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | that would lead to a brain that would have a tendency to do that? It's hard to give an adaptive explanation for belief in entities that don't exist. There can be an adapter of explanation for the search for explanations which obviously are not infallible and they can be misled by absence of evidence, by people who have an interest in promulgating certain explanations. | 2,739 | 2,771 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2739s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | I think what you have to direct the question at not the content of beliefs that we associate with particular religions, but just in particular ways of thinking, but ways of interpreting the world, ways in which people influence the beliefs of one another. What are the kinds of things that we can hypothesize and then what does that leave us vulnerable to hypothesizing which, from the perspective of science, we know may be incorrect, but | 2,771 | 2,803 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2771s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | can nonetheless be very seductive to a mind that is apt to think in certain directions. So what's your view say of those who've made the case that the adaptive value is not so much in the actual belief in things that perhaps don't exist, but it is from the cohesion, the group cohesion that that can yield if there are many people for whom that belief is shared, then all of a sudden you've got a stronger group bonding? | 2,803 | 2,833 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2803s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Does that hold any weight for you at all? There is a folk theory of evolution that adaptations are all for group cohesion because whenever there is some mysterious aspect of human psychology for which it's not clear what the adaptive value is, people will say, "Well, it fosters group cohesion." Why do we enjoy music? Group cohesion. Why do we dance? Group cohesion. | 2,833 | 2,861 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2833s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | But there a couple things wrong with that style of explanation. I'm very deeply suspicious of the explanation always says group cohesion. One of them is, group cohesion is not, in fact, what natural selection selects for. It selects for propagation of genes. Sometimes groups, cohesive groups can help the individuals that compose those groups, but if a group is too cohesive, you could be exploited by the group. | 2,861 | 2,884 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2861s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | You could be cannon fodder. You could be a sacrificial victim for the benefit, for the cohesion of the group. But any gene that would allow you to be exploited by the group would be selected out because genes are selected much more quickly than groups. Also, I think it's too easy to use our own intuition that we like to bond over music, over religion and so on, but that is itself a part of our psychology that needs an explanation. | 2,884 | 2,911 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2884s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Why would beliefs in invisible entities make a group coherent more? You can't take that for granted. That's as much of a puzzle to a psychologist as… But we do see, we do see evidence of that even though we may need to explain it. We do, although ... the supernatural beliefs can also divide a group, needless to say. There are wars of religion and precisely because they ... The content of those beliefs aren't | 2,911 | 2,940 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2911s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | derived from shared experience. They're not things that everyone can just open their eyes and see. They're things you have to be told. And that means that if you're told by different shamans or different priests or imams than you can go to war over those beliefs. That's why I think that group cohesion doesn't strike me as a satisfying explanation for belief. | 2,940 | 2,958 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2940s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Lisa, do you have a different view of that? I have ... yes, I think I have a different view or maybe I want to add some information. You can be contentious. You could just like- Believe me, I have no problem with being contentious, at all. Anyone who knows me, knows this is true. Here's what I want to say, that I think that there is an immediate advantage potentially, | 2,958 | 2,981 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2958s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | which is there are two that I can think of that relate to the functioning of a nervous system in the following way. First of all, uncertainty is tremendously stressful for a human nervous system. And I don't mean stress in a euphemistic way. I mean it adds a metabolic burden to a nervous system which if it persists can actually make someone sick and I think religious beliefs can reduce uncertainty. | 2,981 | 3,018 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=2981s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | They sometimes explain the unexplainable. Things that we now might explain through science, used to be thought of as magic or as caused by a deity. So, I think in some ways it is not just psychologically comforting, it's actually physiologically potentially less ... it reduces people's stress. It reduces their, what scientists would call allostatic burden. Very simply, just step back one minute and say, partly our brains evolved not to think | 3,018 | 3,057 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3018s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | and see and feel, but in order to regulate the systems of our body. As our bodies got more complex, brains got bigger. A brain's main job is to keep the systems of your body alive and well so that you can propagate your genes to the next ... let me just finish. I know you're going to disagree, but ... Your brain is constantly running a budget for the resources in your body and it's not budgeting money, it's budgeting glucose and | 3,057 | 3,097 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3057s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | salt and so on and so forth. And so, if you think about your brain running a budget for your body, uncertainty just drains that budget. Drains that budget much faster and makes it really harder for people. There's also, I think, a social aspect to this too, in the sense that we are social animals, we evolved to be social animals. It's one of our major adaptive advantages, to be social animals. | 3,097 | 3,118 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3097s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | But what that means is that we regulate each other's nervous systems. We don't bear that body budget on our own. We have other people to help us do it. There are other social species, right? So, insects are social, and they regulate each other's nervous systems through chemicals, through scent. Rats, and some mammals, add touch and they might add hearing and primates add vision. | 3,118 | 3,146 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3118s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | We, as primates, have all of those ways to regulate each other. Plus, we have ideas that we share. And so, there are many ways in which religious belief can actually reduce the metabolic burden on the nervous system. Is there data for that? I mean, is there data that really makes a convincing argument that religious belief does reduce ... There actually is. I'm not advocating this, I'm just saying as a scientist, there is data. | 3,146 | 3,173 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3146s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | There are data to show that people who ... I want to say this, you know, I'm not negating any of the challenges or problems that religious belief introduces to a fitness argument. I'm just saying that there is this other side where there are data to show that people who are religious actually are somewhat happier and healthier and have greater well-being. But that's because, of course, they're living amongst other people who believe what they | 3,173 | 3,207 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3173s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | believe. Steve, you had a response again. Barbara ... yeah. I just really wanted to make the point that we're actually operating in a framework of human exceptionalism when we keep asking things like, was social cohesion part of the reason that we were religious, or did being religious drive social cohesion, because, you know ... Why are we not asking about orcas, for example. | 3,207 | 3,232 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3207s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Orcas are exquisitely cohesive and they do things as a group and they regulate each other as individuals and they solve their problems as a group and they manage to do that without God. And chimpanzees manage to do this without God. So, I think that in addition to the problems that Steven pointed out with social cohesion arguments, that they're thrown out constantly that we can just look at the natural world | 3,232 | 3,257 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3232s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | and we can see that there are so many different pathways for this. If we only look at our species and we don't take this comparative approach. We're not going to get answers to these questions. Yeah. Steve. Lisa, I agree that are religious belief can reduce stress but I don't think that that can be an explanation as to why it's adaptive. Because the fact that uncertainty leads to stress is itself an adaptation, namely there | 3,257 | 3,281 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3257s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | ... we're missing some information that's critical to our well-being and we're ... when we get stressed and nervous that motivates us to seek out that information or to act in a way that keeps us safe even in the state of ignorance. But there can't be an adaptation to reduce stress by false certainty. That is, by being certain about something, some claim about the world that in fact is | 3,281 | 3,308 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3281s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | not true. Because if I'm really nervous, say because I think there might be a predator, and someone convinces me, no, it's actually a rabbit appearing in the guise of a predatory cat, that might reduce my stress, but it's not an adaptation. Fair enough, fair enough. So Barbara, you gave us some history of where you think this may have begun all the way back in human history. | 3,308 | 3,331 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3308s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | What's your sense of why it has persisted for so long? I tend to come back to this issue of community and practice. Because I think if we shift the perspective from looking so much at belief and sacred texts, which we tend to do in today's world. You know, you put up a slide that talked about the percentage of the pie in terms of Christianity and Islam and that's one important aspect of this, but I think that for many of the | 3,331 | 3,359 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3331s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | world's people, there is just something that's irreplaceable about that sense of community, that sense of ritual practice and that sense of familiarity. And it is ... Sure, it's possible to try to replace that with some other ways to find those same things, but there is something about the connectivity that comes through the transcendence that I think is important. | 3,359 | 3,380 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3359s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | When you bring those two elements together, the community and the transcendence and sharing that emotional meaning making. And one of the things that i like very much about the people who are discussing whether there's faith in other animals is the idea of breaking the link between making religion always be about text and belief. So I think that that helps us understand this question a little bit. | 3,380 | 3,405 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3380s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | The idea ... I think about what Martin Buber wrote, coming from the tradition of Judaism, when he wrote that all of real life is encounter. There's something that's particularly transporting about sharing encounters of transcendence and I really feel it has something to do with the persistence that we see. But clearly, when we talk about the spirituality instinct, that's a very fraught term because | 3,405 | 3,429 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3405s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | of the secularization that's happening in the world. If that really were to be considered an instinct, how do we explain the tremendous transformation that we're undergoing? So people are finding humanism communities, other communities with a different type of transcendent connection. I think there's a balance between what continues as very, very strong tradition that carries | 3,429 | 3,452 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3429s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | communities forward together with new ways of imagining some of these very same things that are coming about. The ways that people can experience religion now. I mean, they extend into communities with AI. They extend to virtual realities, virtual churches, virtual connection, virtual mosques, but also the idea that we're beginning to think just differently about animals and nature. | 3,452 | 3,477 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3452s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | We know Emily Dickinson's church, right? Well, we also know that one of the beauties of the evolutionary perspective among many others, is not only understanding our own place in the world, but our really deep sharing with other animals. And so, I think there's the possibility that we are going to continue this shift of finding different ways of sharing transcendence as I feel with nature, with animals. | 3,477 | 3,499 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3477s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | So does that transcendence relate to ... I mean, Steven J. Gould, I believe once said that all religions begin with an awareness of death. So, is that transcendence profoundly connected with death or is it somehow independent of it? I think you've hit on an important thing. Part of my last six years of my work has been very profoundly taken up with the question | 3,499 | 3,522 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3499s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | of animal grief and animal mourning. And I'm not suggesting, again, to be very clear that animals have some kind of sacred sense of death, but they have a deep awareness of loss, so that we find over and over again- Can you give an example? I mean, that's… Yeah, I can give loads of examples. For example, with elephants we know that the entire community responds if a matriarch dies. | 3,522 | 3,547 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3522s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | There was one particular example in Africa. A particular community of scientists who followed for seven days, a parade of mourners who came to this particular matriarch who had died. Her name was Eleanor. Not only her family, but matriarchs of other families. Some stood vigil over the body, some rocked over the body. Others showed distress. So my definition of animal grief involves some kind of symptom of distress. | 3,547 | 3,576 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3547s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Social withdrawal, failure to eat, failure to sleep, some vocalizations. But it's not only the, what I call the usual suspects, the big brained mammals like chimpanzees, cetaceans and elephants where we see this. My research is showing that we find it in animals as different as collared peccaries in Arizona, chickens, all sorts of domestic animals, the animals that we live with. | 3,576 | 3,602 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3576s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | And again, what I think is so important about this is not necessarily that the animals have the same awareness of death that we have, but that they feel this profound sense of loss. That is emotional meaning making and that's where they enter into this community of sort of a transcendent experience in an animal sort of way that I think is the foundation for this discussion. | 3,602 | 3,627 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3602s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | So, Steve, let me ask you. Transcendent experience, community, is one powerful way of thinking about what religion provides. On the other side of the discussion, you've got people like Dan Dennett. You got people like Pascal Boyer, and various others, whose explanation tends more toward a mechanism. The spreading of ideas. The spreading of memes, you know? An idea jumps from brain to brain, to brain and it naturally tickles certain receptors | 3,627 | 3,659 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3627s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | that we are naturally attuned to and therefore certain ideas have a tendency to stick and spread, among them being the very ideas that constitute religious belief. Is that an approach that you think gives us insight or is that not a useful way of thinking about it? Yeah, because what puzzles us when we try to explain the prevalence of religious belief, is not so much why people mourn the dead, feel a sense of loss, feel it profoundly affects | 3,659 | 3,688 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3659s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | their lives because it does profoundly affect their lives, it ought to. If you didn't mourn someone when they were dead, when they die how could you have loved them when they were alive? That is, in a sense an easier set of reactions to explain. What puzzles about religion is belief in the Trinity and in hell and in 72 virgins and all of the other contentful beliefs that go well beyond a sense of awe at the immensity | 3,688 | 3,718 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3688s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | of the cosmos or loss in the sense of death. That's where Pascal Boyer and Dennis Barbour and others going to step in to why we're vulnerable to such specific beliefs as opposed to emotional reactions to major events that affect us. There, I should actually credit Pascal Boyer for linking the idea that we are mentalizing, we're apt to attribute minds to others as one of the core explanations for why we are | 3,718 | 3,752 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3718s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | subject to religious beliefs that leads to spiritualist beliefs. Right. So, Lisa, what's your view on these two sort of poles, the need for community transcendent experience and perhaps something that just speaks to the way in which certain ideas naturally stick inside a brain that evolved to perform certain tasks and survive? I think that both of those explanations to some extent are phenomena. | 3,752 | 3,788 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3752s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | I'm not really sure if you're referring to them as explanations or just phenomena, are actually rooted in our sociality as a species, so I think it's not a metaphor to say that we regulate each other. We do, in very substantial ways and in ways that we're completely unaware of and part of how we do this is we create meaning that is shared and realities that emerge only by | 3,788 | 3,831 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3788s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | virtue of collective agreement. What I mean by that is ... We're talking here, for example, about grief and that animals, non-human animals feel grief and so on. Non-human animals feel loss, for sure. I think there's no question that that's the case, and they suffer. I think there's no question that's the case, but research on emotion suggests pretty clearly | 3,831 | 3,860 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3831s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | that there is no inherent emotional meaning in any set of physical signals that occur from your body. What we do is ... humans, is we learn to impose meanings on those signals, right? So, a scowling face for example, is not a universal display of anger. People only scowl about 25% of the time when they're angry and they scowl at many other times when they're not and there are many cultures around the world, including hunter-gatherers | 3,860 | 3,893 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3860s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | who don't recognize a scowl as anger, for example. In many cultures, and it's an interesting question about why this is the case, but we'll just hold that aside for a moment, what we do is we impose meaning on a scowling face, we impose meaning on a scowl and by virtue of that meaning that we've imposed, the scowl actually literally takes on that meaning and we can easily predict what's going to happen | 3,893 | 3,922 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3893s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | next. What I mean by this is it sort of works in the same way as money works, right? There's no inherent ... Nothing that's ever served as currency in human cultures does so by virtue of its physical nature alone. What happens is a group of humans impose a meaning on pieces of paper, or little rocks, or salt, or barley, or big rocks in the ocean that can't be moved, or mortgages, or any | 3,922 | 3,950 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3922s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | number of things and all of a sudden, those things literally take on value. They can be traded for material goods only because we all agree that they can and when someone moves their agreement, when people withdraw some number, people withdraw their agreement, those things no longer have value. Well, emotions are kind of built in the same way. Heart rates change, faces move, distress can occur out of loss when you lose someone who | 3,950 | 3,980 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3950s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | helps to regulate your body budget and you lose that person, you feel like you've lost a part of yourself because sort of you have actually lost someone who's helped you regulate your nervous system. We impose meaning on those physical events that take on that meaning. I mean the physical events take on those meanings by virtue of the fact that we, as a culture, | 3,980 | 4,011 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=3980s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | agree that that's the case. I think that in my view, this is partly why memes occur, because ideas are contagious in a sense because we often as part of our ... one of our superpowers as a species is the ability to create meaning. The ability to create something real where there used to be nothing real, only by virtue of collective agreement. We impose meaning on something physical and then that physical thing takes on a bigger | 4,011 | 4,056 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4011s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | meaning. To some extent, I think we also do this with what we think of as transcendent experiences. So, when a group of people are all together having a similar experience at being awestruck or wonderstruck at something in nature, there's an opportunity for creating social reality, for creating a meaning that wasn't there before, that supersedes just the shared wonder of | 4,056 | 4,089 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4056s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | the moment and so, I don't see these ends as really different. I see them as kind of emerging out of the same capacities- So, in the remaining time, maybe we can just focus on humans and on religious belief and maybe we could start with you, Barbara. Mm-hmm (affirmative). There's been a view that's been around for a long time that as science progresses, it kind of pushes out the need for religion, in terms of its explanatory capacities and | 4,089 | 4,122 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4089s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | so forth. Now it's suggested over time that the role of religion would decrease. Do you imagine that that is the pattern that will play out or is that a completely wrong and oblique way of thinking about the role of religion and therefore what its future will be? Yeah, it's interesting. I feel two things at the same time. I do think that the increasing tendency towards humanism and secularization is a very welcome | 4,122 | 4,150 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4122s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | thing. I mean, I did say that I am here speaking as an atheist, as a person who is a non-believer. We certainly want to be able to think clearly about science and about the forces that act in this world and we know, all of us know that religion is not always helpful in that particular way. At the same time, I think it's really important to think again about the cross-cultural patterns | 4,150 | 4,175 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4150s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | and the number of people in the world who don't fall into believing in big sky gods, who don't even, in some cases, have a word for religion. I'm not suggesting that that makes them different in any kind of scale of intelligence, not at all. We know that all human populations have the same capacities. But sometimes, just being religious is just the way life is. | 4,175 | 4,198 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4175s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | It's so much a part of the era, of the way that you live that it's not something that is going to change. I think these are two different ways of looking at it and I'm not sure how to weigh them. I'd be interested to hear what other people would say about that. Why don't we go right down the line. Zoran, do you have any ... I think that at its best, it gives us a framework | 4,198 | 4,222 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4198s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | to experience the spirituality, to be able to connection to something that's larger than ourselves. And so, if it fulfills that role for people, I think then that's, you know, that it's its purpose. I hope that as the ages go, the science and spirituality basically flow through each other smoothly. I think that for that, really we just need more research in these topics. | 4,222 | 4,252 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4222s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Lisa, thoughts on the future? I think I would stand by my descriptions that I think that there are some advantages to religious belief, but I think there are also some major, major disadvantages, some of which Steve has talked about and I think it ... From my perspective it's probably about time to wonder whether or not the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, frankly. | 4,252 | 4,279 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4252s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Because there are other meaning making systems that are available to humans to help them make sense of the world, some of which may not have the disadvantages. They may have the advantages of religious belief, but they might not also have the disadvantages. So, I probably lean more in the direction of wondering how it would be possible to test that, to investigate that. | 4,279 | 4,308 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4279s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Steve, thoughts on that? Several trends in the overall historical archival of disbelief when there's a lot of religions have become more humanistic. They don't take their literal beliefs as seriously as they used to. If you're a real, believing Christian and that if you don't accept Jesus then you're going to go to hell, then you really ought to try to convert people at sword point. | 4,308 | 4,330 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4308s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | And you really ought to slay heretics. You'd be doing ... It's like a great public health measure. You're saving eternity of suffering in hell for billions of people. But most Christians, no matter how seriously they take their belief, don't try to convert people at sword point anymore. They don't have inquisitions and they're not completely consistent and that is a kind of | 4,330 | 4,349 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4330s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | benign hypocrisy among many believers that they fortunately don't act on the totality of their religious beliefs and that's been a very beneficial trend. The institutions persist with the all-encompassing nature of the beliefs, we get deluded. Another is that when people switch their religious affiliations, the overwhelming tendency is toward no religion at all, so the world is becoming less religious. | 4,349 | 4,374 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4349s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | There are two reasons why that may seem hard to believe. One of them is that religious people have more babies and so the number or religious people is actually increasing, and projected to increase even as the number of people who switch are switched in the direction of no religion. The other is that religious groups tend to be more politically organized. So, the problem with secularists and humanists, and so called nones, N-O-N-E, not N-U-N, that | 4,374 | 4,403 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4374s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | is people with no religion, is they don't vote. Evangelicals all vote. I shouldn't say all. Something like 80% of evangelicals vote, 25% of just the unaffiliated vote. And so there's a outsized influence of religion in politics because of this organization. Our perception of the growing influence of religion is in, not exactly an illusion, but it is pushed along by the greater fecundity and greater political organization of the | 4,403 | 4,436 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4403s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | religious, even as the overall direction is away from religious belief with secularization, including the United States, which was a ... for a long time was an outlier that every other western democracy had become less religious than the United States. The United States is now moving in that direction as well. One final question which is sort of the inverse of the topic that took up some of our time | 4,436 | 4,461 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4436s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | in thinking about animals and their reactions and beliefs. What if we flip it the other way? So, a hundred years from now, or 500 years from now, we get visited by an alien civilization and we show them what we've learned in math and physics and they nod their tentacles and they ... you know, we're all sort of good. But then we show them our religious beliefs. | 4,461 | 4,488 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4461s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | Do you think that they'll look at that and say, "Yeah, yeah, we get it. You know, we've got out Jesus too." Or will they be completely baffled as to what this thing called religion is? Barbara, thoughts on that? Wild speculation. I have no idea the answer to that question. Fair enough. If I had to guess, I would guess baffled. I think that if you think about how 500 years ago, we didn't know much about electromagnetism | 4,488 | 4,523 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4488s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | right? And now, we can go all kinds of things with and we can actually entertain ourselves with. Well, think of the aliens come and they understand the function of consciousness in the universe, right? And they can use consciousness that we use for all kinds of things. It's not any kind of mysterious thing for them. That's I think where it's going. Lisa? I don't think they'll be baffled and I don't think that they'll necessarily share ... I | 4,523 | 4,549 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4523s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | mean, I'm just ... I'm not even speculating, I'm imagining. I think that they will see it as part of the evolutionary trajectory of ... Or evolutionary development of a species and maybe something that was a necessary step along the way, but became unnecessary at a certain point. Final thoughts on that one, Steve? I tend to agree there. It may be similar to our attitudes towards the animistic beliefs of people that we've | 4,549 | 4,587 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4549s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | come across. We can ... or an intelligible but we might consider them obsolete. Do you think that they will have had a similar evolutionary trajectory? I know there ... Is this an intrinsic part of the way in which a living system would evolve that can survive that will necessarily ascribe agency in the world and tell stories about what those agents do and the role that they play or is this some peculiar thing that | 4,587 | 4,613 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4587s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
p0_-7FmrDq8 | happened to the human species? A great question, a profound one, but I suspect that ... I guess the question is, does sociality depend on reciprocal mentalizing, attributing complexity to other creatures? I suspect it does, but a speculation and if so, would there be enough evidence early enough in the history of an intelligent species that it would not be tempted by over-attribution | 4,613 | 4,644 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_-7FmrDq8&t=4613s | The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct | |
OOMFR6snocY | [Music] okay so hi I'm Lucas easy one first of all thanks to debug and to be a developers for inviting us today so what we will try to do today is share some of our experiences when it comes to IP architectures we'll also try to give some recommendations about what to do and what not to do when you're designing an architecture in a larger enterprise environment we will try to give examples | 0 | 53 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=0s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | where we can from our own experience and you will see we will cover actually several topics so feel free to ask any questions if you know we go cross one topic too fast because number of topics that we want to share so okay let's start so actually what is an enterprise IT landscape and how does it look like you probably guess that it's big given and I we work in telcos most of our careers | 53 | 100 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=53s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | which is a really big act landscape but just to make it more clear I'd like to compare it with the buildings and let's say a neighborhood so it looks like something like this you know it's a being it's modern it's neat it's beautiful I'm kidding of course it doesn't look like that at all probably only chief architects thing that looks like this actually it looks something | 100 | 132 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=100s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | more like this or this or this if you're lucky the reason is that most enterprises have been building their IT for the last twenty thirty years and doing it mostly by adding new systems on top of existing ones rarely decommissioning your ones so now you have a really big combination of really cool and modern stuff and some really uncooled and all that stuff that's it that actually makes it really | 132 | 169 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=132s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | interesting but also challenging so but what happens at one point since you're building building building on the other it starts to crumble and you actually have two choices you need to you need to change something or as you like to call it these days do a transformation project and then you can do it in two ways basically you can go all the Intuit Big Bang changed 80% of your landscape | 169 | 204 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=169s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | or you can do it progressively in our experience I have done one transformation that was a big bang approach let's actually first don't don't do Big Bang transformation projects try to do it one step at a time and progressively if possible so how can you do it well first you need to identify what are your biggest pain points what is the what is the thing that is most troubling your business | 204 | 238 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=204s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | with the current IT landscape then think of a better way to doing that when you do that take a step back because you're probably already going to white and you're looking at the project of three to four years you can't do all of it do a minimum of what you can think think of but but it makes sense that it really solves the biggest issue that you can and that you can | 238 | 271 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=238s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | integrated with the existing systems that you have so in order for you to do that there are actually three things that you need to consider and have in mind for us in our experience microservices architecture is a must in doing that why not just because it's a hype and everyone in doing that but because you can also release in a lot of books that talk about macro services | 271 | 301 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=271s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol | |
OOMFR6snocY | architecture it's as people say so are done right it's finally finally we have the technology and the means to do service-oriented architecture in a good way to make it scalable and maintainable so that's why macro services architecture is a must but when you can really do a lot of wood or doing a lot of bed is a in integration part so you need to be smart when it comes to | 301 | 333 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOMFR6snocY&t=301s | Building high performance and scalable architectures for enterprises—Luka Samaržija & Ivan Sokol |