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wmt4xr | 125 | Model 3 LR Unavailable to Order Until 2023 According to the [order page](https: www.tesla.com model3 design#overview) orders for the M3LR are closed until 2023. Wonder if you can get around this by placing a RWD Perf order then changing it to LR? Interesting nonetheless seems like supply challenges are even more severe than previously thought. [Image proof](https: imgur.com a Srd25JE) | > Wonder if you can get around this by placing a RWD Perf order then changing it to LR? Product owner and scrum master: 😬😡 | Could this be buying them time to do a retool to the single-piece front and rear castings in the Model 3 to make it more like the Model Y? | 63 | 9 | 9,806 |
wmt4xr | 125 | Model 3 LR Unavailable to Order Until 2023 According to the [order page](https: www.tesla.com model3 design#overview) orders for the M3LR are closed until 2023. Wonder if you can get around this by placing a RWD Perf order then changing it to LR? Interesting nonetheless seems like supply challenges are even more severe than previously thought. [Image proof](https: imgur.com a Srd25JE) | > Wonder if you can get around this by placing a RWD Perf order then changing it to LR? Product owner and scrum master: 😬😡 | That s not a supply problem. They have too much demand for the LR. They d rather you take an SR or upgrade to a Performance. | 63 | 29 | 9,807 |
wq4gwz | 631 | The good old days Note: Just to be completely clear this includes the gas savings and the EV Credit check the bottom left corner. (10 050$) https: preview.redd.it z8czmgi7w4i91.png?width=1360& format=png& auto=webp& s=c118b16991115d5a4c8d41e347575994c7162131 | Our “Coke used to be a nickel” moment. | 220mi range with superchargers is more than enough. Wish they d bring it back. | 49 | 2 | 9,808 |
wq4gwz | 631 | The good old days Note: Just to be completely clear this includes the gas savings and the EV Credit check the bottom left corner. (10 050$) https: preview.redd.it z8czmgi7w4i91.png?width=1360& format=png& auto=webp& s=c118b16991115d5a4c8d41e347575994c7162131 | Our “Coke used to be a nickel” moment. | They won t lower the price. They ll just release Tesla model 2. | 49 | 5 | 9,809 |
wq4gwz | 631 | The good old days Note: Just to be completely clear this includes the gas savings and the EV Credit check the bottom left corner. (10 050$) https: preview.redd.it z8czmgi7w4i91.png?width=1360& format=png& auto=webp& s=c118b16991115d5a4c8d41e347575994c7162131 | Our “Coke used to be a nickel” moment. | Pretty unfortunate that s it s almost the same car today only now it s just shy of $50k. Glad I got mine at a decent price before all of this | 49 | 7 | 9,810 |
wqnufw | 70 | Wood Cover for Tesla Model 3 - feedback after 4 months : The wood has not changed still as beautiful! & #x200B https: preview.redd.it 12jw6jz2q9i91.jpg?width=3024& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=3ef466d8abbabb6855f6a99a10ba19cadfc796fa | Mine didn t really match and the wood was warped a little it actually cracked when installing it and hills told me to F off when I asked for a refund. Had to do CC chargeback. | I m happy with mine too but I did get some bubbling within a few days on mine. Doesn t bother me much but I m glad mine came with 2 so I can try to apply it better next time. | 31 | 5 | 9,811 |
wqxno3 | 24 | Upgrade from Enhanced Autopilot TO FSD Beta f I upgrade to enhance auto pilot for $6000 now. In a few month can I later upgrade to FSD beta for an additional $6000? Does anyone have any experience? | I have EAP and can confirm that it s only $6K to upgrade. | Assuming they don t change the price of FSD beta then yes. Otherwise you ll be paying whatever the new price is. | 40 | 6 | 9,812 |
wqxno3 | 24 | Upgrade from Enhanced Autopilot TO FSD Beta f I upgrade to enhance auto pilot for $6000 now. In a few month can I later upgrade to FSD beta for an additional $6000? Does anyone have any experience? | I have EAP and can confirm that it s only $6K to upgrade. | Save your money. I have FSD package and I would not advise anyone to get it. EAP is all you need. | 40 | 9 | 9,813 |
wuvnyl | 83 | 2014 Tesla MS P85 Been in the shop for 162 out of the last 282 days. Hello I just received my car (2014 model S P85) from the Tesla Service Center in Salt Lake City after waiting 51 days for a replacement of the high voltage interlock loop. Below shows an overview of my car repairs for the last year. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it vqq1avx50aj91.png?width=704& format=png& auto=webp& s=bdff1af3d1e42dd69f68721c5cac19e5e62fcf99 & #x200B [Simply showing it s been broken in the shop for 57.4& #37 since 11\\ 8\\ 2021.](https: preview.redd.it o31g8qy60aj91.png?width=921& format=png& auto=webp& s=0ca59047be5230d31add992df5815a6de9f20d0f) & #x200B & #x200B [This is mostly a funny graph showing how happy I was to buy my dream car to how miserable this piece of shit has been. Simply laugh and keep reading. :\\)](https: preview.redd.it 0ttmbeyg0aj91.png?width=838& format=png& auto=webp& s=2227fd52d7c0958595dfe8fc3879dd1da27a1473) & #x200B This reddit link is nothing more than to show error codes I received in October 2021 which have been the same codes in Nov Jan June. [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error\\_codes\\_on\\_2014\\_p85\\_ms\\_please\\_help ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error_codes_on_2014_p85_ms_please_help ) After picking up my car and driving to a nearby park I realized they duct taped the underbody panel part to my car. See photo below. This is a plastic panel piece near my rear left wheel. Looks like they decided duct taping it was the best solution instead of fixing the clips. & #x200B [Missing a couple of plastic clips so it was just hanging there... It s a small piece and honestly I don t really care aside from that it seems like the lazy \\\\ fix\\\\ for an expensive electric car.](https: preview.redd.it vhm9mi1j0aj91.png?width=1281& format=png& auto=webp& s=5d480f41a59a28aae34d320de7dc2ffa9028f065) & #x200B Video showing the duct-taped part. [https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk](https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk) Over the last 162 days I ve chatted with a lot of customer service reps in Salt Lake City Utah. I had one tell me (over the phone otherwise I would have a screenshot for you) that they sent an engineer from corporate headquarters to look at my car. I later messaged via the Tesla app asking about this engineer but the new rep who responded had no idea what I was talking about. Which person is correct and why did the other lie to me? & #x200B https: preview.redd.it y0m3xwgv0aj91.png?width=263& format=png& auto=webp& s=aab436cad1bf5456ed4881948a8089de9bce71a8 The customer service rep told me Tesla is waiting on a part that was on backorder but later another rep told me there are no parts to replace in the HVIL. Again which person is correct and why is the other one lying to me? & #x200B [Simply showing employee said they ordered a part.](https: preview.redd.it xdibphrz0aj91.png?width=421& format=png& auto=webp& s=9da4112598fe174961737754649d3645bd8246f3) & #x200B & #x200B [Next employee saying HVIL is not a part to replace. \\\\ Not an option\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it 48jt9sa41aj91.png?width=421& format=png& auto=webp& s=cbeecd3ac3eaf5bfa8b06e0e5a8b15bfff4a0ef1) & #x200B I later talked with the service manager who said they replaced the high voltage interlock loop. The customer service rep and my invoice show “General HVAC Thermal System Calibration”. Again… Which one is correct and why is the other lying to me? & #x200B [As of 8.21.22 the new invoice does now show \\\\ Forward Junction Box - 1st Generation \\(RWD\\) \\(Remove & Replace\\)... Promise when I received the car it said \\\\ General HVAC\\ Thermal System Calibration\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it ibav4sia1aj91.png?width=427& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f96cdb08d9d5e463097bf7a0c8365d36a304eae) & #x200B I asked for a list of error codes my car has received since owning the car. I wanted to prove that it s been the exact same error codes every time. The service rep told me that is something they cannot do. Why can I not receive a log of error codes my car has triggered since owning the car? & #x200B [CS not sending me information about my car... Why not?](https: preview.redd.it cx9w4vhh1aj91.png?width=423& format=png& auto=webp& s=43535b986007ed4ed9dff5b8b3df4dee19aae481) & #x200B I asked to chat with the manager when picking up my car. We agreed to meet at 4:30 pm and after 50 minutes of waiting... I finally got to chat with him. He told me that he can t view the history of this car so he couldn t tell me previous error codes repairs before I was the owner etc. This is unacceptable. Taping up plastic pieces to my car is unacceptable. Having customer service reps tell me different things is unacceptable. Not telling me information about my car is unacceptable. Having my car in the shop for 162 days is not fucking okay. I do not believe Tesla actually knows what is wrong with my car… and is guessing parts to replace in hopes the error codes go away. **The error codes have been the same codes every single time (they refuse to send me a list of error codes to prove it. They wipe my notifications so I can t look via MCU to prove this)**. I suspect that the drive motor battery management system nor the replaced chips in the HV battery are the issue. I am not confident that the latest HVIL replacement (or didn t replace according to one employee) will fix the issue either. The technicians in Salt Lake City need additional training or to be replaced with component technicians. I could pull up service chat logs from previous repairs and find more examples of when the technician and customer service reps had no clue what is going on (at the very least not on the same page). This is unacceptable to run a business like this. I have a reserved model 3 (est. Nov delivery) & Y (est. Jan delivery) that I do not want anymore because of what s happened. I ve requested Tesla to buy my car at fair market value and then they can throw it in the dumpster to get rid of this problem. It is unethical for Tesla to sit on their hands waiting for my warranty to expire (May 2022) to then not repair the problem… They tried to deny warranty work in June as my warranty was 1 month expired... But after 3 weeks of fighting they finally agreed it is the same issue and will perform repairs under the warranty. & #x200B [The only information I ve received from Tesla so far. Simply noting they will not repurchase my car.](https: preview.redd.it pj5py1c12aj91.png?width=1378& format=png& auto=webp& s=a7f66f44de20d86654d2210defc74ab67f4f4785) & #x200B I ve looked into getting a lawyer to press charges for lemon law but it appears I have to buy new directly from Tesla to qualify (although some sites show manufacturers have to honor their warranty which I don t believe they have). I m stunned by this situation. I ve emailed the legal team press their corporate auto resolutions email and the SLC service manager and have not received much help. I m getting ignored which is why I ve started posting on Reddit Twitter social media to mostly laugh about my situation to my friends others and hopefully raise awareness of how horrible Tesla Service Center has been. I m still a big EV fan. I shouldn t be after this but I am. Tesla needs to address this issue. | In case you were curious [here s a great explanation](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=BC1zCC7CeX8) of what the HVIL system is. It s not a single part that s easily replaceable but instead a set of sensing wires that accompany all the high-voltage connectors of the various wiring harnesses that act as a safety shut-off if any of the connectors are loose or disconnected. It s one of those things that s absolutely necessary for safety but at the same time hard to troubleshoot due to the various possible failure points. | Sorry to see this what a mess! | 83 | 4 | 9,814 |
wuvnyl | 83 | 2014 Tesla MS P85 Been in the shop for 162 out of the last 282 days. Hello I just received my car (2014 model S P85) from the Tesla Service Center in Salt Lake City after waiting 51 days for a replacement of the high voltage interlock loop. Below shows an overview of my car repairs for the last year. & #x200B https: preview.redd.it vqq1avx50aj91.png?width=704& format=png& auto=webp& s=bdff1af3d1e42dd69f68721c5cac19e5e62fcf99 & #x200B [Simply showing it s been broken in the shop for 57.4& #37 since 11\\ 8\\ 2021.](https: preview.redd.it o31g8qy60aj91.png?width=921& format=png& auto=webp& s=0ca59047be5230d31add992df5815a6de9f20d0f) & #x200B & #x200B [This is mostly a funny graph showing how happy I was to buy my dream car to how miserable this piece of shit has been. Simply laugh and keep reading. :\\)](https: preview.redd.it 0ttmbeyg0aj91.png?width=838& format=png& auto=webp& s=2227fd52d7c0958595dfe8fc3879dd1da27a1473) & #x200B This reddit link is nothing more than to show error codes I received in October 2021 which have been the same codes in Nov Jan June. [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error\\_codes\\_on\\_2014\\_p85\\_ms\\_please\\_help ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pzjyx8 error_codes_on_2014_p85_ms_please_help ) After picking up my car and driving to a nearby park I realized they duct taped the underbody panel part to my car. See photo below. This is a plastic panel piece near my rear left wheel. Looks like they decided duct taping it was the best solution instead of fixing the clips. & #x200B [Missing a couple of plastic clips so it was just hanging there... It s a small piece and honestly I don t really care aside from that it seems like the lazy \\\\ fix\\\\ for an expensive electric car.](https: preview.redd.it vhm9mi1j0aj91.png?width=1281& format=png& auto=webp& s=5d480f41a59a28aae34d320de7dc2ffa9028f065) & #x200B Video showing the duct-taped part. [https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk](https: drive.google.com file d 1XTgKEsaYLV8ckhlCLsDQW1IiRAIwY9Sv view?usp=drivesdk) Over the last 162 days I ve chatted with a lot of customer service reps in Salt Lake City Utah. I had one tell me (over the phone otherwise I would have a screenshot for you) that they sent an engineer from corporate headquarters to look at my car. I later messaged via the Tesla app asking about this engineer but the new rep who responded had no idea what I was talking about. Which person is correct and why did the other lie to me? & #x200B https: preview.redd.it y0m3xwgv0aj91.png?width=263& format=png& auto=webp& s=aab436cad1bf5456ed4881948a8089de9bce71a8 The customer service rep told me Tesla is waiting on a part that was on backorder but later another rep told me there are no parts to replace in the HVIL. Again which person is correct and why is the other one lying to me? & #x200B [Simply showing employee said they ordered a part.](https: preview.redd.it xdibphrz0aj91.png?width=421& format=png& auto=webp& s=9da4112598fe174961737754649d3645bd8246f3) & #x200B & #x200B [Next employee saying HVIL is not a part to replace. \\\\ Not an option\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it 48jt9sa41aj91.png?width=421& format=png& auto=webp& s=cbeecd3ac3eaf5bfa8b06e0e5a8b15bfff4a0ef1) & #x200B I later talked with the service manager who said they replaced the high voltage interlock loop. The customer service rep and my invoice show “General HVAC Thermal System Calibration”. Again… Which one is correct and why is the other lying to me? & #x200B [As of 8.21.22 the new invoice does now show \\\\ Forward Junction Box - 1st Generation \\(RWD\\) \\(Remove & Replace\\)... Promise when I received the car it said \\\\ General HVAC\\ Thermal System Calibration\\\\ ](https: preview.redd.it ibav4sia1aj91.png?width=427& format=png& auto=webp& s=8f96cdb08d9d5e463097bf7a0c8365d36a304eae) & #x200B I asked for a list of error codes my car has received since owning the car. I wanted to prove that it s been the exact same error codes every time. The service rep told me that is something they cannot do. Why can I not receive a log of error codes my car has triggered since owning the car? & #x200B [CS not sending me information about my car... Why not?](https: preview.redd.it cx9w4vhh1aj91.png?width=423& format=png& auto=webp& s=43535b986007ed4ed9dff5b8b3df4dee19aae481) & #x200B I asked to chat with the manager when picking up my car. We agreed to meet at 4:30 pm and after 50 minutes of waiting... I finally got to chat with him. He told me that he can t view the history of this car so he couldn t tell me previous error codes repairs before I was the owner etc. This is unacceptable. Taping up plastic pieces to my car is unacceptable. Having customer service reps tell me different things is unacceptable. Not telling me information about my car is unacceptable. Having my car in the shop for 162 days is not fucking okay. I do not believe Tesla actually knows what is wrong with my car… and is guessing parts to replace in hopes the error codes go away. **The error codes have been the same codes every single time (they refuse to send me a list of error codes to prove it. They wipe my notifications so I can t look via MCU to prove this)**. I suspect that the drive motor battery management system nor the replaced chips in the HV battery are the issue. I am not confident that the latest HVIL replacement (or didn t replace according to one employee) will fix the issue either. The technicians in Salt Lake City need additional training or to be replaced with component technicians. I could pull up service chat logs from previous repairs and find more examples of when the technician and customer service reps had no clue what is going on (at the very least not on the same page). This is unacceptable to run a business like this. I have a reserved model 3 (est. Nov delivery) & Y (est. Jan delivery) that I do not want anymore because of what s happened. I ve requested Tesla to buy my car at fair market value and then they can throw it in the dumpster to get rid of this problem. It is unethical for Tesla to sit on their hands waiting for my warranty to expire (May 2022) to then not repair the problem… They tried to deny warranty work in June as my warranty was 1 month expired... But after 3 weeks of fighting they finally agreed it is the same issue and will perform repairs under the warranty. & #x200B [The only information I ve received from Tesla so far. Simply noting they will not repurchase my car.](https: preview.redd.it pj5py1c12aj91.png?width=1378& format=png& auto=webp& s=a7f66f44de20d86654d2210defc74ab67f4f4785) & #x200B I ve looked into getting a lawyer to press charges for lemon law but it appears I have to buy new directly from Tesla to qualify (although some sites show manufacturers have to honor their warranty which I don t believe they have). I m stunned by this situation. I ve emailed the legal team press their corporate auto resolutions email and the SLC service manager and have not received much help. I m getting ignored which is why I ve started posting on Reddit Twitter social media to mostly laugh about my situation to my friends others and hopefully raise awareness of how horrible Tesla Service Center has been. I m still a big EV fan. I shouldn t be after this but I am. Tesla needs to address this issue. | In case you were curious [here s a great explanation](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=BC1zCC7CeX8) of what the HVIL system is. It s not a single part that s easily replaceable but instead a set of sensing wires that accompany all the high-voltage connectors of the various wiring harnesses that act as a safety shut-off if any of the connectors are loose or disconnected. It s one of those things that s absolutely necessary for safety but at the same time hard to troubleshoot due to the various possible failure points. | You bought this car as certified preowned from Tesla? | 83 | 10 | 9,815 |
wuxip3 | 1,271 | HEAVY TRAFFIC. #FSDBeta v10.69 blew me away this morning. I tried to throw everything I had at this version and this is what it did. Every turn was not perfect but if this is what we can do with good engineering. The future is bright for this technology. https: twitter.com chazman status 1561742293496897536?s=20& t=xRBat5c-YkPpc0dtIUCU3A | Pretty sure an inexperienced teenage driver would do worse with this kind of traffic. I guess we ve passed that point now. Impressed. | Impressive! | 409 | 2 | 9,816 |
wuxip3 | 1,271 | HEAVY TRAFFIC. #FSDBeta v10.69 blew me away this morning. I tried to throw everything I had at this version and this is what it did. Every turn was not perfect but if this is what we can do with good engineering. The future is bright for this technology. https: twitter.com chazman status 1561742293496897536?s=20& t=xRBat5c-YkPpc0dtIUCU3A | Pretty sure an inexperienced teenage driver would do worse with this kind of traffic. I guess we ve passed that point now. Impressed. | I always chuckle when people say yeah I see self driving in like 5-10 years. Yeah no… It s happening right now. The rate of improvement of these updates is unbelievable. | 409 | 45 | 9,817 |
wuxip3 | 1,271 | HEAVY TRAFFIC. #FSDBeta v10.69 blew me away this morning. I tried to throw everything I had at this version and this is what it did. Every turn was not perfect but if this is what we can do with good engineering. The future is bright for this technology. https: twitter.com chazman status 1561742293496897536?s=20& t=xRBat5c-YkPpc0dtIUCU3A | Pretty sure an inexperienced teenage driver would do worse with this kind of traffic. I guess we ve passed that point now. Impressed. | Wow chuck impressive. Even more impressed that you trusted it to do its thing! I wonder how you get confident in that scenario when you cannot see around the vehicle but the car can. That one will probably trip up a lot of people for awhile. | 409 | 134 | 9,818 |
wvo7bj | 169 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Turn off passenger vent on heat pump Model 3 Y. I know the hardware is there because the passenger vent turns off when there is no weight in the seat. My wife s number one complaint is air blowing on her. | Athlete mode for HVAC. Arm the system to pre-cool warm the cabin when your app returns to within X.X km of the car. Useful for returning from a bike hike run so the cabin is a good temp when you get back. | 220 | 7 | 9,819 |
wvo7bj | 169 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Turn off passenger vent on heat pump Model 3 Y. I know the hardware is there because the passenger vent turns off when there is no weight in the seat. My wife s number one complaint is air blowing on her. | Scheduled charging stop for if charging won t finish before a high tier price time starts. In other words a do not charge window for high rate tiers. | 220 | 8 | 9,820 |
wvo7bj | 169 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Turn off passenger vent on heat pump Model 3 Y. I know the hardware is there because the passenger vent turns off when there is no weight in the seat. My wife s number one complaint is air blowing on her. | Please prioritize fleet software development. Earlier this month I rented a Model 3 from both Hertz and Budget. It would be great if those cars could ve been temporarily added to my Tesla app (or white label rental company app) so I could control the car remotely easily locate where I parked use my cloud profile and all the other benefits Tesla owners are (and will be) used to. | 220 | 21 | 9,821 |
wyd2hm | 1,651 | Anyone else want 5 blinks for the turn signal instead of 3? Like the title says. I d love to have the ability to adjust the number of times the turn signal blinks instead of just being set at 3 when you do a half press of the turn signal stalk. I feel like this would be an easy software update that would make a huge difference (for me at least) in daily driving. | I was thinking 4 but more for sure | No | 257 | 3 | 9,822 |
wyd2hm | 1,651 | Anyone else want 5 blinks for the turn signal instead of 3? Like the title says. I d love to have the ability to adjust the number of times the turn signal blinks instead of just being set at 3 when you do a half press of the turn signal stalk. I feel like this would be an easy software update that would make a huge difference (for me at least) in daily driving. | I was thinking 4 but more for sure | Yes please! | 257 | 7 | 9,823 |
wyd2hm | 1,651 | Anyone else want 5 blinks for the turn signal instead of 3? Like the title says. I d love to have the ability to adjust the number of times the turn signal blinks instead of just being set at 3 when you do a half press of the turn signal stalk. I feel like this would be an easy software update that would make a huge difference (for me at least) in daily driving. | I was thinking 4 but more for sure | I want a setting to change the blinks amount and to completely disable the quick lane change blinks if the user wants it to just be a normal blinker. | 257 | 9 | 9,824 |
wyp861 | 343 | Does anyone else constantly forget their phone on the charging pad? My number one feature wish is for the car to ding at me when I m opening the door and my phone is still sitting on the charging pad like other cars do when you leave your keys in the ignition. The wireless charging is a great feature but when I use it there s a > 90% chance I m going to forget my phone (and probably leave the doors unlocked as a result). | No but I leave my keys in my car every time I drive the gas car now… even forgetting to turn off the engine half the time. | I do as well. It would be great to get a chime sound from the speakers when it detects the driver leaving the seat with the phone still on the driver side of the charger. Something subtle would be enough. | 184 | 2 | 9,825 |
wyp861 | 343 | Does anyone else constantly forget their phone on the charging pad? My number one feature wish is for the car to ding at me when I m opening the door and my phone is still sitting on the charging pad like other cars do when you leave your keys in the ignition. The wireless charging is a great feature but when I use it there s a > 90% chance I m going to forget my phone (and probably leave the doors unlocked as a result). | No but I leave my keys in my car every time I drive the gas car now… even forgetting to turn off the engine half the time. | Maybe when the car door opens the charging briefly disconnect and reconnect so the phone vibrates dings and screen lights up | 184 | 3 | 9,826 |
wyp861 | 343 | Does anyone else constantly forget their phone on the charging pad? My number one feature wish is for the car to ding at me when I m opening the door and my phone is still sitting on the charging pad like other cars do when you leave your keys in the ignition. The wireless charging is a great feature but when I use it there s a > 90% chance I m going to forget my phone (and probably leave the doors unlocked as a result). | No but I leave my keys in my car every time I drive the gas car now… even forgetting to turn off the engine half the time. | Need Tesla IFTTT. Then you could get your Tesla to do anything you wanted it to | 184 | 3 | 9,827 |
wzj43f | 38 | Tesla handicap hand controls Hello my friend Elvin is disabled and after waiting over a year for his 2022 Tesla Refresh Model X he can t drive it. As a paraplegic he has always been able to use hand controls to drive his vehicles. When he received his car last week he discovered that he s unable to connect his electronic hand controls. I went to the Tesla service center and was told that there s nothing at the moment to connect anything 12 volt which is needed for him to safely operate a vehicle. What should I do next? | Hey there. I don t know what kind of hand controls your friend is using but I ll tell you about the hand controls I use for my Model Y. It s really changed my life for the better. Here s a link to the product website (Kempf Darios Ring + Hand Brake). https: kempf-usa.com Handcontrols_description.html I m going to guess if your friend is rolling in a Model X he may be able to afford the setup I have (~$10k). In my opinion the integration and independence are well worth it. On the down side I had to ship my car to Florida for the technicians to install it (two weeks total included in the price). But it allows me to drive *with both hands on the wheel*. I can t overstate how useful this is. Take for example the push-rock system I had installed on my previous car (also an EV): https: www.suregrip-handcontrols.com pushrock It has an electronic control for the accelerator tucked behind the knee bolster and it felt sturdy. Though I had to use that one with a steering knob which made it challenging to do simple things safely while driving (e.g. flipping down the sunshade rolling down a power window etc.). Although I could get from point A to point B on my own it wasn t ideal. I also used a set of removable hand controls (and steering knob) when using other people s vehicles or rentals (Quic Stick Portable Hand Controls): https: www.quicstick.com products natural-aluminum That s on rare occasions but it s there if I need it. I ll end with this: the Darios Ring setup is *perfect* for the Tesla because of three things: 1) one-pedal driving 2) hold mode and 3) chill mode. Those three things combined make it possible for me to drive my Model Y by mostly using the ring and only reaching for the hand brake if someone does something ridiculous in front of me. This is a throw-away account. PM me within 2 hours if you need more details. Good luck to your friend. | 12V is available are you sure that s what is missing? | 119 | 7 | 9,828 |
wzj43f | 38 | Tesla handicap hand controls Hello my friend Elvin is disabled and after waiting over a year for his 2022 Tesla Refresh Model X he can t drive it. As a paraplegic he has always been able to use hand controls to drive his vehicles. When he received his car last week he discovered that he s unable to connect his electronic hand controls. I went to the Tesla service center and was told that there s nothing at the moment to connect anything 12 volt which is needed for him to safely operate a vehicle. What should I do next? | Hey there. I don t know what kind of hand controls your friend is using but I ll tell you about the hand controls I use for my Model Y. It s really changed my life for the better. Here s a link to the product website (Kempf Darios Ring + Hand Brake). https: kempf-usa.com Handcontrols_description.html I m going to guess if your friend is rolling in a Model X he may be able to afford the setup I have (~$10k). In my opinion the integration and independence are well worth it. On the down side I had to ship my car to Florida for the technicians to install it (two weeks total included in the price). But it allows me to drive *with both hands on the wheel*. I can t overstate how useful this is. Take for example the push-rock system I had installed on my previous car (also an EV): https: www.suregrip-handcontrols.com pushrock It has an electronic control for the accelerator tucked behind the knee bolster and it felt sturdy. Though I had to use that one with a steering knob which made it challenging to do simple things safely while driving (e.g. flipping down the sunshade rolling down a power window etc.). Although I could get from point A to point B on my own it wasn t ideal. I also used a set of removable hand controls (and steering knob) when using other people s vehicles or rentals (Quic Stick Portable Hand Controls): https: www.quicstick.com products natural-aluminum That s on rare occasions but it s there if I need it. I ll end with this: the Darios Ring setup is *perfect* for the Tesla because of three things: 1) one-pedal driving 2) hold mode and 3) chill mode. Those three things combined make it possible for me to drive my Model Y by mostly using the ring and only reaching for the hand brake if someone does something ridiculous in front of me. This is a throw-away account. PM me within 2 hours if you need more details. Good luck to your friend. | Buy an inverter for your car and then plug it in | 119 | 11 | 9,829 |
wzj43f | 38 | Tesla handicap hand controls Hello my friend Elvin is disabled and after waiting over a year for his 2022 Tesla Refresh Model X he can t drive it. As a paraplegic he has always been able to use hand controls to drive his vehicles. When he received his car last week he discovered that he s unable to connect his electronic hand controls. I went to the Tesla service center and was told that there s nothing at the moment to connect anything 12 volt which is needed for him to safely operate a vehicle. What should I do next? | Hey there. I don t know what kind of hand controls your friend is using but I ll tell you about the hand controls I use for my Model Y. It s really changed my life for the better. Here s a link to the product website (Kempf Darios Ring + Hand Brake). https: kempf-usa.com Handcontrols_description.html I m going to guess if your friend is rolling in a Model X he may be able to afford the setup I have (~$10k). In my opinion the integration and independence are well worth it. On the down side I had to ship my car to Florida for the technicians to install it (two weeks total included in the price). But it allows me to drive *with both hands on the wheel*. I can t overstate how useful this is. Take for example the push-rock system I had installed on my previous car (also an EV): https: www.suregrip-handcontrols.com pushrock It has an electronic control for the accelerator tucked behind the knee bolster and it felt sturdy. Though I had to use that one with a steering knob which made it challenging to do simple things safely while driving (e.g. flipping down the sunshade rolling down a power window etc.). Although I could get from point A to point B on my own it wasn t ideal. I also used a set of removable hand controls (and steering knob) when using other people s vehicles or rentals (Quic Stick Portable Hand Controls): https: www.quicstick.com products natural-aluminum That s on rare occasions but it s there if I need it. I ll end with this: the Darios Ring setup is *perfect* for the Tesla because of three things: 1) one-pedal driving 2) hold mode and 3) chill mode. Those three things combined make it possible for me to drive my Model Y by mostly using the ring and only reaching for the hand brake if someone does something ridiculous in front of me. This is a throw-away account. PM me within 2 hours if you need more details. Good luck to your friend. | What s the actual problem? Does the device connect over ODB and just isn t talking to the Tesla properly? Or is it just the lack of a 12v cigarette lighter plug? The second seems like it would be really easy to solve if it s the only problem. | 119 | 16 | 9,830 |
x047uo | 21 | overnight test drive supercharge Does anyone know if I can try supercharging a demo car? I want to experience it but I don t want to drive out of my way if it s not going to work. Edit: sorry if it s not clear but I got an extended test drive from Tesla on Sat night so I m just checking things out. | I assume it s no different than charging a loaner so yes you should be able to. Even if it doesn t work there s really nothing to experience. You park plug in and it charges. Not much to it. | If it s a demo the dealership probably has a supercharger and you can watch it there. | 85 | 2 | 9,831 |
x047uo | 21 | overnight test drive supercharge Does anyone know if I can try supercharging a demo car? I want to experience it but I don t want to drive out of my way if it s not going to work. Edit: sorry if it s not clear but I got an extended test drive from Tesla on Sat night so I m just checking things out. | I assume it s no different than charging a loaner so yes you should be able to. Even if it doesn t work there s really nothing to experience. You park plug in and it charges. Not much to it. | I don t follow. Are you saying you want to test the actual superchargers that are all over the place? Or you want to test a charger system you have installed? In either case do you anticipate issues? Do you borrow a toaster to test plugging it in before you buy? Not judging just trying to follow your logic. | 85 | 4 | 9,832 |
x047uo | 21 | overnight test drive supercharge Does anyone know if I can try supercharging a demo car? I want to experience it but I don t want to drive out of my way if it s not going to work. Edit: sorry if it s not clear but I got an extended test drive from Tesla on Sat night so I m just checking things out. | What s there to experience? You plug it in and it starts charging. Like literally that s it. It knows it s your car and bills your account card for the electricity used. | If it s a demo the dealership probably has a supercharger and you can watch it there. | 34 | 2 | 9,833 |
x3tnx8 | 118 | 10x Off grid Powerwall Blackout Power Issues Update Hey All It has now been 12 months since we posted our issue and it s well overdue for an update.When we first reported this issue on the forums Tesla had been working on the situation for a number of weeks without resolution and I thought I d share my situation given it was impacting both our business and home lives (father of 3 kids)(Original post [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall\\_failures\\_what\\_would\\_you\\_do\\_if\\_you\\_were ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall_failures_what_would_you_do_if_you_were )) Short video of the install today [https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4](https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4) We experienced anywhere from 0-> 50 blackouts a day in the early days of the installation and very dirty power with flickering lights spiking voltages pool pumps braking during the frequent on off cycles. The issue as identified and advised by the Tesla specialists is that our 10 Powerwall system was reaching max capacity across CPU RAM and CANBus bandwidth essentially the Tesla Gateway module is being overloaded trying to manage all 10 Powerwall s at the same time whilst this situation results in micro outages most people wouldn t notice these outages if they re grid connected as the grid is essentially always there as a backup to your batteries (strange thought). In my instance if the batteries lose sync drop for seconds minutes it s very noticeable a silent eerry blackout. We have now tried 3-4 firmware changes and have been advised for the last 12 months or so that we can only have 7 powerwalls online we turned off 3 and everything worked fine however we ve had numerous blackouts during the attempted fix cycles whereby patch is applied turn all powerwalls back on then randomly weekly later power outages resume etc. One other alternative that didn t suit our business case was to turn off wifi and the ability to connect to it on the local network to see statistics or access the API (which meant the system would no longer integrate with our Home Automation system (Home assistant) i.e. when power lower than 20% force Air Cons to be turned off was no longer possible via our prior configuration through LAN protocols It s been a stressful situation for the family as the wife & kids don t handle the uncertainty of power all that well or at least not acclimatised to unreliable power situations we ve had well and truly over 300 outages this past year numerous corrupted pc s due to hard drives spinning during power outages numerous business interruption s. We feel like we re guinea pigs for Tesla I m definitely at the point of frustration and have insisted numerous times that I want to simply be refunded a portion of the install damages turn off X powerwalls and move on with our lives as there is no end in sight unfortunately it s been a number of months since we reached that point and expressed that level of interest in leaving this test process however we re still yet to be put in contact with the right team to handle a customer resolution exit process. I also don t know how much of our business family damages will ever be refunded etc it s very unsettling now becoming a very negative experience despite the high level of support in the first 6 months the fact we started this install in June 2021 and it s still an issue in September 2022 is a challenge to mentally deal with. Sorry for the whinge all just feeling lost in this situation and lost confidence in the longevity of our install Yours truly the tired Tesla enthusiast Chris Firgaira | Maybe stupid question but why not split into 2 separate systems? 7PW 3PW or 5PW 5PW with two totally separate gateways. Sure you might have to play with balancing the electrical load (half house on this set half house on other set) or something like that? | I want to blame it on Dan Andrews but I m not 100% certain where you are :D Glad that you ve managed to find a workaround even if it s not particularly helpful to your situation. Here s hoping Tesla come through with a better gateway or at least a novel approach to deploying power walls in gangs. | 39 | 6 | 9,834 |
x3tnx8 | 118 | 10x Off grid Powerwall Blackout Power Issues Update Hey All It has now been 12 months since we posted our issue and it s well overdue for an update.When we first reported this issue on the forums Tesla had been working on the situation for a number of weeks without resolution and I thought I d share my situation given it was impacting both our business and home lives (father of 3 kids)(Original post [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall\\_failures\\_what\\_would\\_you\\_do\\_if\\_you\\_were ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall_failures_what_would_you_do_if_you_were )) Short video of the install today [https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4](https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4) We experienced anywhere from 0-> 50 blackouts a day in the early days of the installation and very dirty power with flickering lights spiking voltages pool pumps braking during the frequent on off cycles. The issue as identified and advised by the Tesla specialists is that our 10 Powerwall system was reaching max capacity across CPU RAM and CANBus bandwidth essentially the Tesla Gateway module is being overloaded trying to manage all 10 Powerwall s at the same time whilst this situation results in micro outages most people wouldn t notice these outages if they re grid connected as the grid is essentially always there as a backup to your batteries (strange thought). In my instance if the batteries lose sync drop for seconds minutes it s very noticeable a silent eerry blackout. We have now tried 3-4 firmware changes and have been advised for the last 12 months or so that we can only have 7 powerwalls online we turned off 3 and everything worked fine however we ve had numerous blackouts during the attempted fix cycles whereby patch is applied turn all powerwalls back on then randomly weekly later power outages resume etc. One other alternative that didn t suit our business case was to turn off wifi and the ability to connect to it on the local network to see statistics or access the API (which meant the system would no longer integrate with our Home Automation system (Home assistant) i.e. when power lower than 20% force Air Cons to be turned off was no longer possible via our prior configuration through LAN protocols It s been a stressful situation for the family as the wife & kids don t handle the uncertainty of power all that well or at least not acclimatised to unreliable power situations we ve had well and truly over 300 outages this past year numerous corrupted pc s due to hard drives spinning during power outages numerous business interruption s. We feel like we re guinea pigs for Tesla I m definitely at the point of frustration and have insisted numerous times that I want to simply be refunded a portion of the install damages turn off X powerwalls and move on with our lives as there is no end in sight unfortunately it s been a number of months since we reached that point and expressed that level of interest in leaving this test process however we re still yet to be put in contact with the right team to handle a customer resolution exit process. I also don t know how much of our business family damages will ever be refunded etc it s very unsettling now becoming a very negative experience despite the high level of support in the first 6 months the fact we started this install in June 2021 and it s still an issue in September 2022 is a challenge to mentally deal with. Sorry for the whinge all just feeling lost in this situation and lost confidence in the longevity of our install Yours truly the tired Tesla enthusiast Chris Firgaira | Tweet Elon. Seriously. This sounds like a case of a guy who realized the problem is so bad and at an architectural level that they will lose their job if they admit it and issue a recall. Only way to beat that is to leapfrog the problem. | I want to blame it on Dan Andrews but I m not 100% certain where you are :D Glad that you ve managed to find a workaround even if it s not particularly helpful to your situation. Here s hoping Tesla come through with a better gateway or at least a novel approach to deploying power walls in gangs. | 34 | 6 | 9,835 |
x3tnx8 | 118 | 10x Off grid Powerwall Blackout Power Issues Update Hey All It has now been 12 months since we posted our issue and it s well overdue for an update.When we first reported this issue on the forums Tesla had been working on the situation for a number of weeks without resolution and I thought I d share my situation given it was impacting both our business and home lives (father of 3 kids)(Original post [https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall\\_failures\\_what\\_would\\_you\\_do\\_if\\_you\\_were ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments pgf7n4 powerwall_failures_what_would_you_do_if_you_were )) Short video of the install today [https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4](https: www.youtube.com shorts CTRhymphRx4) We experienced anywhere from 0-> 50 blackouts a day in the early days of the installation and very dirty power with flickering lights spiking voltages pool pumps braking during the frequent on off cycles. The issue as identified and advised by the Tesla specialists is that our 10 Powerwall system was reaching max capacity across CPU RAM and CANBus bandwidth essentially the Tesla Gateway module is being overloaded trying to manage all 10 Powerwall s at the same time whilst this situation results in micro outages most people wouldn t notice these outages if they re grid connected as the grid is essentially always there as a backup to your batteries (strange thought). In my instance if the batteries lose sync drop for seconds minutes it s very noticeable a silent eerry blackout. We have now tried 3-4 firmware changes and have been advised for the last 12 months or so that we can only have 7 powerwalls online we turned off 3 and everything worked fine however we ve had numerous blackouts during the attempted fix cycles whereby patch is applied turn all powerwalls back on then randomly weekly later power outages resume etc. One other alternative that didn t suit our business case was to turn off wifi and the ability to connect to it on the local network to see statistics or access the API (which meant the system would no longer integrate with our Home Automation system (Home assistant) i.e. when power lower than 20% force Air Cons to be turned off was no longer possible via our prior configuration through LAN protocols It s been a stressful situation for the family as the wife & kids don t handle the uncertainty of power all that well or at least not acclimatised to unreliable power situations we ve had well and truly over 300 outages this past year numerous corrupted pc s due to hard drives spinning during power outages numerous business interruption s. We feel like we re guinea pigs for Tesla I m definitely at the point of frustration and have insisted numerous times that I want to simply be refunded a portion of the install damages turn off X powerwalls and move on with our lives as there is no end in sight unfortunately it s been a number of months since we reached that point and expressed that level of interest in leaving this test process however we re still yet to be put in contact with the right team to handle a customer resolution exit process. I also don t know how much of our business family damages will ever be refunded etc it s very unsettling now becoming a very negative experience despite the high level of support in the first 6 months the fact we started this install in June 2021 and it s still an issue in September 2022 is a challenge to mentally deal with. Sorry for the whinge all just feeling lost in this situation and lost confidence in the longevity of our install Yours truly the tired Tesla enthusiast Chris Firgaira | Tweet Elon. Seriously. This sounds like a case of a guy who realized the problem is so bad and at an architectural level that they will lose their job if they admit it and issue a recall. Only way to beat that is to leapfrog the problem. | Have you tried turning off home assistant for a few days to see if that helps at all? I had an issue with hammering my gateway too much with login sessions from a script I wrote perhaps whatever home assistant module you re using has a similar issue. Just a total shot in the dark though. | 34 | 7 | 9,836 |
x4wd1i | 40 | MYP vs M3P handling Hello guys & #x200B Hows the handling between MYP and M3P? I noticed that MYP doesnt have track mode does this mean that MYP s handling is a lot worse than M3P? | Model 3 handles like a sports car and is much more fun to drive. Model Y feels larger and doesn t take spirited curves nearly as well. (Source: owned both) | From my experience the 3 feels more nimble and planted than the Y but the Y is a lot roomier. The acceleration of the Y makes up for it (granted I m comparing an SR+ to an LR with boost) | 113 | 3 | 9,837 |
x4wd1i | 40 | MYP vs M3P handling Hello guys & #x200B Hows the handling between MYP and M3P? I noticed that MYP doesnt have track mode does this mean that MYP s handling is a lot worse than M3P? | Model 3 handles like a sports car and is much more fun to drive. Model Y feels larger and doesn t take spirited curves nearly as well. (Source: owned both) | Like what are you after? Handling for taking fast corners and racing style driving or handling as in comfort while driving and turning? | 113 | 4 | 9,838 |
x4wd1i | 40 | MYP vs M3P handling Hello guys & #x200B Hows the handling between MYP and M3P? I noticed that MYP doesnt have track mode does this mean that MYP s handling is a lot worse than M3P? | Model 3 handles like a sports car and is much more fun to drive. Model Y feels larger and doesn t take spirited curves nearly as well. (Source: owned both) | As a side note: I m surprised Tesla hasn t brought track mode to the Model Y. Model Y Performance (probably?) has better margins and supply than 3P | 113 | 10 | 9,839 |
x5p0di | 347 | Tesla removed my FSD beta status after service visit Hey guys. Recently I brought my Tesla M3P in for service. It was originally a usb repair which then turned out to be the entire car computer. When I got my car back I noticed FSD beta was no longer loaded onto my car. After multiple phones calls with the service and software teams they are basically telling me I m SOL and that the program isn t accepting new members even though I ve been in FSD beta since last year... Has any one else had an experience with this? Not sure if the lack of service and support is an nyc thing or all over | Yup seems the FSD is tied to the car CPU. It happened to another user and the response was the same. | Resources: [Tesla Official Support](https: www.tesla.com support) | [Wiki FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) | [Support Thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments vp075g your_tesla_support_thread_q3_2022 ) | r TeslaLounge for personal content | Help the Mods by **reporting posts and comments** which break [rules](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki rules). *I am a bot and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit]( message compose ?to= r teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 158 | 2 | 9,840 |
x5p0di | 347 | Tesla removed my FSD beta status after service visit Hey guys. Recently I brought my Tesla M3P in for service. It was originally a usb repair which then turned out to be the entire car computer. When I got my car back I noticed FSD beta was no longer loaded onto my car. After multiple phones calls with the service and software teams they are basically telling me I m SOL and that the program isn t accepting new members even though I ve been in FSD beta since last year... Has any one else had an experience with this? Not sure if the lack of service and support is an nyc thing or all over | Welcome to Tesla support how may we blow you off today? | Resources: [Tesla Official Support](https: www.tesla.com support) | [Wiki FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) | [Support Thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments vp075g your_tesla_support_thread_q3_2022 ) | r TeslaLounge for personal content | Help the Mods by **reporting posts and comments** which break [rules](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki rules). *I am a bot and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit]( message compose ?to= r teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 147 | 2 | 9,841 |
x5p0di | 347 | Tesla removed my FSD beta status after service visit Hey guys. Recently I brought my Tesla M3P in for service. It was originally a usb repair which then turned out to be the entire car computer. When I got my car back I noticed FSD beta was no longer loaded onto my car. After multiple phones calls with the service and software teams they are basically telling me I m SOL and that the program isn t accepting new members even though I ve been in FSD beta since last year... Has any one else had an experience with this? Not sure if the lack of service and support is an nyc thing or all over | Welcome to Tesla support how may we blow you off today? | All of this 5 days before my road trip from NYC- Toronto. : | 147 | 4 | 9,842 |
x6g4c7 | 353 | Service : no longer dropping off keys According to my service advisor as of this morning Tesla is no longer having you drop off keys. If your car has an appointment and is within a geofence area Tesla can access your car and drive it. No more than 10 mph (US) but do have the ability to do a test drive mode to ensure service fixed whatever issue. Edit: specifically service center. Not mobile service. | 4 years ago they did this on my car. But a few months ago they asked for my key card at a different service center. So far for me it depends on the service center. | Nothing new. Service centers have done this for quite some time. | 71 | 2 | 9,843 |
x6g4c7 | 353 | Service : no longer dropping off keys According to my service advisor as of this morning Tesla is no longer having you drop off keys. If your car has an appointment and is within a geofence area Tesla can access your car and drive it. No more than 10 mph (US) but do have the ability to do a test drive mode to ensure service fixed whatever issue. Edit: specifically service center. Not mobile service. | 4 years ago they did this on my car. But a few months ago they asked for my key card at a different service center. So far for me it depends on the service center. | Can legacy autos do this? | 71 | 2 | 9,844 |
x6g4c7 | 353 | Service : no longer dropping off keys According to my service advisor as of this morning Tesla is no longer having you drop off keys. If your car has an appointment and is within a geofence area Tesla can access your car and drive it. No more than 10 mph (US) but do have the ability to do a test drive mode to ensure service fixed whatever issue. Edit: specifically service center. Not mobile service. | 4 years ago they did this on my car. But a few months ago they asked for my key card at a different service center. So far for me it depends on the service center. | Can confirm this. They only can do this once you check in confirm your car at the time of drop off via the application. When I had dropped mine off I had an option in the app to check in and did it before walking inside. Then when I went inside to hand my key to them he said you re good you accepted and checked in I can access your car remotely as that point it was instantly put into service mode. Pretty cool change honestly. | 71 | 2 | 9,845 |
x7a0oo | 35 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Directional parking beeps so you can hear what parts of the vehicle are closest to things. | Update the wheel config screen with the new aero wheel center caps | 88 | 2 | 9,846 |
x7a0oo | 35 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Directional parking beeps so you can hear what parts of the vehicle are closest to things. | For all models when using Summon in the rain I ve had it not work because the rain made the cameras blurry. Can Tesla add a way to make the wipers activate when it s raining and Summon is in use? I know Summon isn t top priority but it would be nice (and maybe possibly an easy fix?) Thanks and keep up the hard work! | 88 | 10 | 9,847 |
x7a0oo | 35 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Directional parking beeps so you can hear what parts of the vehicle are closest to things. | Auto mode for the steering wheel heat (like the seats) ... winter is coming! | 88 | 10 | 9,848 |
x7fwfh | 66 | Did Tesla update WiFi configuration with software 2022.24.x? Previously I could barely connect to wifi if it is more than 20 ft away from the router. After 2022.24.5 I see lot more networks appearing in the car and also the link speed is much higher. Did anyone else notice this? I have a 2022 Model Y LR. | Looks like I ll need the update in order to download the update. 🙃 | Maybe they upped the radio power | 52 | 3 | 9,849 |
x7fwfh | 66 | Did Tesla update WiFi configuration with software 2022.24.x? Previously I could barely connect to wifi if it is more than 20 ft away from the router. After 2022.24.5 I see lot more networks appearing in the car and also the link speed is much higher. Did anyone else notice this? I have a 2022 Model Y LR. | Looks like I ll need the update in order to download the update. 🙃 | I ve got a 2020 Model 3 and never noticed any wifi issues. I ve always had good range on the connections and good speeds. Looks like I m on v2022.12.3.20 | 52 | 5 | 9,850 |
x7fwfh | 66 | Did Tesla update WiFi configuration with software 2022.24.x? Previously I could barely connect to wifi if it is more than 20 ft away from the router. After 2022.24.5 I see lot more networks appearing in the car and also the link speed is much higher. Did anyone else notice this? I have a 2022 Model Y LR. | Looks like I ll need the update in order to download the update. 🙃 | Let s hope so! | 52 | 25 | 9,851 |
xawt4r | 348 | No More Phantom Breaking In the last month we ve taken quite a few trips. Mostly from LA to Vegas twice. Not one phantom breaking issue. We have a 2021 Model 3 and a Y. Something is going on and we love it! | That s great to hear! Now if they d only fix the phantom braking problem. | Are your cars running radar or Tesla Vision? | 419 | 2 | 9,852 |
xawt4r | 348 | No More Phantom Breaking In the last month we ve taken quite a few trips. Mostly from LA to Vegas twice. Not one phantom breaking issue. We have a 2021 Model 3 and a Y. Something is going on and we love it! | That s great to hear! Now if they d only fix the phantom braking problem. | It s gotten a TON better since recent updates. Especially in the vision stack aligned with FSD Beta 10.69.1 and 2022.24.x. | 419 | 57 | 9,853 |
xawt4r | 348 | No More Phantom Breaking In the last month we ve taken quite a few trips. Mostly from LA to Vegas twice. Not one phantom breaking issue. We have a 2021 Model 3 and a Y. Something is going on and we love it! | *braking | Are your cars running radar or Tesla Vision? | 225 | 2 | 9,854 |
xdcqu5 | 113 | 10.69.2 - This is the quickest I gave up on a version. Yes I get it. There are numerous videos showing UPL turn improvement and some other better behavior but I have had four drives under the new system and it is demonstrably worse for me. * Failed to slow before left hand turn into my subdivision twice. * Failed three times to enter a right hand turn lane properly * Does not signal far enough in advance it wants to turn * Phantom braking because of trees in a median. Its real bad. * UPL tried to do turn with a car clearly blocking me leaving me in the middle of the road. * Left turn at light tried to go after light went red. Some explanations. My local road is 35mph and the entrance is double lanes separated by a median. Twice while approaching with the turn on the left my car entered the turning lane properly but was doing 35 when it realized it had to turn. At two intersections only it refuses to use the right side turning lane and instead wanted to turn at the light from the travel lane. One time it almost did it but corrected hard back to travel lane. It never signals far enough in advance to let following traffic you will be slowing for a turn. One drive through a ritzy subdivision is on a 45mph divided road where the median has large trees. when the curve causes the car to slight face the median it slows hard when a tree is present. Not all the time and I am not sure why some trees are more scary than others. My only really bad UPL has left and right turn lanes on a two lane road which has a left hand turn lane turning in front of the car and a right hand turn for the other direction. My car was doing fine watching cars left and right but a van stopped in the left hand turn lane in front of me and was hesitant to go. Once the car coming from the left of me started to turn right my car actually went forward and stopped just a foot or two from that van. So there I am in the middle of lane. Last episode of note. Got caught at a light and car didn t want to make the left turn at the light because it could not judge oncoming cars to allow safe. It does not understand cars in the oncoming right turn lane have to yield. Anyway the cars coming all stopped as the light was going red. My car tried to go after red as it was past the line. Honestly the phantom braking is back and with a vengeance for me to where I cannot allow FSD to drive if anyone is behind me. That UPL where it almost hit the van was scary and of course the two failed turns into my subdivision are just ridiculous. I would almost try to figure out how to record my drives but at this point I no longer care. I never expect them to get it to work. I already know it won t work in the rain have pictures where it says so and I am loathe to trust it at night if its so bad in daytime. 2018 LR RWD TM3 | This update still floors it toward red lights then slams the brakes at the last possible moment. I really enjoy that driving style because it minimizes my energy efficiency while maximizing brake wear and passenger terror. | You should keep using it sometimes and submit feedback after every error. | 137 | 2 | 9,855 |
xdcqu5 | 113 | 10.69.2 - This is the quickest I gave up on a version. Yes I get it. There are numerous videos showing UPL turn improvement and some other better behavior but I have had four drives under the new system and it is demonstrably worse for me. * Failed to slow before left hand turn into my subdivision twice. * Failed three times to enter a right hand turn lane properly * Does not signal far enough in advance it wants to turn * Phantom braking because of trees in a median. Its real bad. * UPL tried to do turn with a car clearly blocking me leaving me in the middle of the road. * Left turn at light tried to go after light went red. Some explanations. My local road is 35mph and the entrance is double lanes separated by a median. Twice while approaching with the turn on the left my car entered the turning lane properly but was doing 35 when it realized it had to turn. At two intersections only it refuses to use the right side turning lane and instead wanted to turn at the light from the travel lane. One time it almost did it but corrected hard back to travel lane. It never signals far enough in advance to let following traffic you will be slowing for a turn. One drive through a ritzy subdivision is on a 45mph divided road where the median has large trees. when the curve causes the car to slight face the median it slows hard when a tree is present. Not all the time and I am not sure why some trees are more scary than others. My only really bad UPL has left and right turn lanes on a two lane road which has a left hand turn lane turning in front of the car and a right hand turn for the other direction. My car was doing fine watching cars left and right but a van stopped in the left hand turn lane in front of me and was hesitant to go. Once the car coming from the left of me started to turn right my car actually went forward and stopped just a foot or two from that van. So there I am in the middle of lane. Last episode of note. Got caught at a light and car didn t want to make the left turn at the light because it could not judge oncoming cars to allow safe. It does not understand cars in the oncoming right turn lane have to yield. Anyway the cars coming all stopped as the light was going red. My car tried to go after red as it was past the line. Honestly the phantom braking is back and with a vengeance for me to where I cannot allow FSD to drive if anyone is behind me. That UPL where it almost hit the van was scary and of course the two failed turns into my subdivision are just ridiculous. I would almost try to figure out how to record my drives but at this point I no longer care. I never expect them to get it to work. I already know it won t work in the rain have pictures where it says so and I am loathe to trust it at night if its so bad in daytime. 2018 LR RWD TM3 | This update still floors it toward red lights then slams the brakes at the last possible moment. I really enjoy that driving style because it minimizes my energy efficiency while maximizing brake wear and passenger terror. | Same experience here. And I even live in SF which is well know over fitting area for FSD and still having issues on simple turns. | 137 | 2 | 9,856 |
xdcqu5 | 113 | 10.69.2 - This is the quickest I gave up on a version. Yes I get it. There are numerous videos showing UPL turn improvement and some other better behavior but I have had four drives under the new system and it is demonstrably worse for me. * Failed to slow before left hand turn into my subdivision twice. * Failed three times to enter a right hand turn lane properly * Does not signal far enough in advance it wants to turn * Phantom braking because of trees in a median. Its real bad. * UPL tried to do turn with a car clearly blocking me leaving me in the middle of the road. * Left turn at light tried to go after light went red. Some explanations. My local road is 35mph and the entrance is double lanes separated by a median. Twice while approaching with the turn on the left my car entered the turning lane properly but was doing 35 when it realized it had to turn. At two intersections only it refuses to use the right side turning lane and instead wanted to turn at the light from the travel lane. One time it almost did it but corrected hard back to travel lane. It never signals far enough in advance to let following traffic you will be slowing for a turn. One drive through a ritzy subdivision is on a 45mph divided road where the median has large trees. when the curve causes the car to slight face the median it slows hard when a tree is present. Not all the time and I am not sure why some trees are more scary than others. My only really bad UPL has left and right turn lanes on a two lane road which has a left hand turn lane turning in front of the car and a right hand turn for the other direction. My car was doing fine watching cars left and right but a van stopped in the left hand turn lane in front of me and was hesitant to go. Once the car coming from the left of me started to turn right my car actually went forward and stopped just a foot or two from that van. So there I am in the middle of lane. Last episode of note. Got caught at a light and car didn t want to make the left turn at the light because it could not judge oncoming cars to allow safe. It does not understand cars in the oncoming right turn lane have to yield. Anyway the cars coming all stopped as the light was going red. My car tried to go after red as it was past the line. Honestly the phantom braking is back and with a vengeance for me to where I cannot allow FSD to drive if anyone is behind me. That UPL where it almost hit the van was scary and of course the two failed turns into my subdivision are just ridiculous. I would almost try to figure out how to record my drives but at this point I no longer care. I never expect them to get it to work. I already know it won t work in the rain have pictures where it says so and I am loathe to trust it at night if its so bad in daytime. 2018 LR RWD TM3 | This update still floors it toward red lights then slams the brakes at the last possible moment. I really enjoy that driving style because it minimizes my energy efficiency while maximizing brake wear and passenger terror. | I ve had first hand experience with it missing turns several times like others where it didn t before and wonder if this is due to the first release note that s supposed to fuse map data and it s just not there yet. | 137 | 2 | 9,857 |
xdjkdm | 108 | Release notes for update 2022.28.1 are now available featuring status bar alternative routes theater mode improvements & more [https: teslaupdates.org update?group=2022.28& version=2022.28.1#version\\_2022.28.1](https: teslaupdates.org update?group=2022.28& version=2022.28.1#version_2022.28.1) | A game controller plugged into glovebox USB port is required . What year is this? | Nice refresh s and x can unlock the doors now without opening the menu. | 34 | 7 | 9,858 |
xehfbl | 1,622 | Tesla assigned my Model 3 to some random person in Europe Maybe you ve heard of me. I m the guy who managed to [reverse-engineer the Tesla Key Cards](https: gist.github.com darconeous 2cd2de11148e3a75685940158bddf933) that are used on the Model 3 and Model Y. But that s not what this post is about. This is the story about how Tesla accidentally assigned my vehicle to some random person “in Europe” giving them the ability to remotely control various aspects of my vehicle—even the garage door to my home—without my knowledge or consent. It started a few days ago when my partner told me that the garage door was open and I walked out to investigate. This seemed strange: I didn t remember opening the garage door. “Maybe I m just being forgetful?” I thought to myself. A little later in the day my partner told me that our Tesla Model 3 had been acting strangely. When walking up to the car she would notice the trunk and frunk open and the AC blowing at full blast. After closing both she said they opened again a short while later. At this point I was a little more concerned but I was quite busy with work and didn t have time to investigate. When I did finally get around to looking into it the vehicle was already taken by another family member to run an errand. Concerned that my account might have been hacked I logged into my Tesla account on the website to see what might be going on. Nothing. My car was gone. Now very concerned I checked the Tesla app on my phone. For a moment I saw a brief flash of the picture of my car which was immediately replaced with options to look into new vehicles to purchase. My car was gone. I then checked the Tesla app on my partner s phone. Again: My car was gone. My mind raced. Had my account been hacked? That seemed implausible. My passwords are high-entropy and unique per account. Had the guys at Costco changing my tires somehow figured out a way to override my account? That seemed implausible too but…maybe? Was my vehicle being stolen right now? Clearly someone else knew where the car was maybe they were just waiting for it to be left in a public parking lot before making their move? I texted the family member to check if the vehicle was still where she parked it and that all the doors trunk and frunk were still locked. I then urgently searched for Tesla s customer service phone number which is surprisingly difficult to find on their website when stressed out about your vehicle no longer being under your control. Google came to the rescue: 1 (888) 518-3752 I luckily got a human on the line relatively quickly. I explained the situation told her my account info. She then asked for the last six digits of the VIN. After nervously scraping around the filing cabinet I found a document with the VIN and gave her the digits. She then asked me to read it back to her. Her responses after this point started to sound puzzled. She asked for the full VIN. Then after a few moments of typing she said she needed to escalate to her manager to address this problem. Hmmm… About fifteen minutes of hold-music later she came back and asked if I had the car in my possession. After confirming that I indeed had not sold or given away my vehicle she asked me what color it was. After responding she went back on hold. I was puzzled. I guess my account wasn t hacked? But what had happened? A few minutes later she came back. “I m sorry Mr. Quattlebaum but it appears that one of our employees in Europe entered the wrong VIN when updating the system about the sale of another vehicle. The wrong VIN they entered was the VIN for your vehicle” “What the fuck?” I exclaimed in suprise completely oblivious to my son being nearby. “Yeah it s pretty bad. We are going to move the vehicle back over to your account and open an investigation into how this happened” I was dumbfounded. Someone “in Europe” had bought a used Tesla and then went on to transfer the vehicle to their Tesla account—except the VIN that was used was the VIN for \\*my\\* vehicle. Never mind that my vehicle is clearly nowhere in Europe or that it doesn t even have a compatible charging port for European chargers. They just handed control of my vehicle over to some random person no questions asked. Theoretically had this random person been in proximity to my vehicle they could have opened it started it and driven away with it. Not that this was a real concern but still. In case you were wondering here is a list of the things that someone can do remotely on a Tesla vehicle if that vehicle is in their account: * Lock Unlock the doors. * Roll down the windows. * Open the trunk and frunk. * Control the climate control. * Honk the horn. * Flash the lights. * Start the vehicle so that it may be driven. * Give other accounts control of the vehicle. * Change the charge limit. * Prevent charging entirely. * Open nearby linked garage doors. * See the location of the vehicle. * Summon the vehicle making it move if it is not connected to a charging cable (although the app would likely have prevented this). Had we been dependent on using the phone key feature we would not have been able to open or start the vehicle. Luckily all drivers for the vehicle have that feature turned off and only use NFC keys which were unaffected. Once the vehicle was transferred to their account this random person proceeded to remotely open the trunk frunk change the climate controls change the charge limit and even the garage door to my home multiple times throughout the day. I sincerely doubt they had any idea the chaos they were causing: I m sure they were confused about why they couldn t open their frunk from the app. “So the vehicle is now back in my account?” “Yes sir and we ve opened an investigation into how this happened” “And the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement that s back on my account too?” “Yes of course” And a little bit later while trying to work out the details of how to get the car back onto my partner s account the phone went silent. Didn t disconnect just went silent. After several minutes of waiting I hung up. I went to the Tesla website and finally I could see my Model 3 back on my account. Phew. Then I went to check the “glovebox” to see if my Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement (MVPA) was still there. **EDIT3**: u Doctor_McKay pointed out that the MVPA was likely still in my account now under previously owned vehicles . Turns out that s exactly where it went. Thanks for the advice! ~~It was gone.~~ ~~You might be wondering why this is important. This is important because I had purchased the “Full Self Driving” (FSD) package and the MVPA proved that I had made that purchase. However shortly after taking possession of my vehicle it no longer had the additional features that came exclusively with the FSD package. I had tried to get Tesla to fix this in the past (they even upgraded my FSD computer for free because they saw I had purchased FSD on the MVPA) but they never actually enabled it in the vehicle. I had been meaning to call them up at some point to complain again to get them to honor the MVPA which was conveniently right there on my account for them to read—but life is busy and I kept pushing it back. Besides the MVPA wasn t going anywhere right?~~ ~~Little did I know that Tesla was going to hijack my vehicle from my account deleteing the MVPA from it in the process. Now I feared I was going to have to prove that I made the FSD purchase instead of them just looking at the MVPA and acknowledging the mistake.~~ I digress. This was as they say a complete clusterfuck. I m left feeling somewhat violated and shaken by the fact that this was even possible without physical possession of the vehicle or my participation. But perhaps that s on me: I m a software engineer I know how this stuff works. My ownership of the vehicle is just a line in their database to reassign at-will. There are no safeguards or cryptographic verifications that would require proof of physical possession before changing that line. All Tesla owners are just a fat-finger away from losing the ability to remotely monitor and control their vehicle. If it happened to me it could happen to you. & #x200B **EDIT**: Edited to make it clear that it is unlikely the person who was given control knew what was happening. **EDIT2:** Made it more clear that the family member to took the Tesla to run errands was not the same person as my partner . | That person screwing with the trunk garage etc was probably them trying to figure out why the hell their own car wasn t responding to commands. | Wow that s worrying… at least I ll know what might have happened if someday I wonder if I ve been hacked. Didn t you receive an email invoice when you purchased FSD? I know that I did when I bought the upgrade from EAP months after the car purchase. So I recommend that you check your emails. I don t even know why they have the glovebox feature as everything was sent to my emails including the purchase documents. | 881 | 7 | 9,859 |
xehfbl | 1,622 | Tesla assigned my Model 3 to some random person in Europe Maybe you ve heard of me. I m the guy who managed to [reverse-engineer the Tesla Key Cards](https: gist.github.com darconeous 2cd2de11148e3a75685940158bddf933) that are used on the Model 3 and Model Y. But that s not what this post is about. This is the story about how Tesla accidentally assigned my vehicle to some random person “in Europe” giving them the ability to remotely control various aspects of my vehicle—even the garage door to my home—without my knowledge or consent. It started a few days ago when my partner told me that the garage door was open and I walked out to investigate. This seemed strange: I didn t remember opening the garage door. “Maybe I m just being forgetful?” I thought to myself. A little later in the day my partner told me that our Tesla Model 3 had been acting strangely. When walking up to the car she would notice the trunk and frunk open and the AC blowing at full blast. After closing both she said they opened again a short while later. At this point I was a little more concerned but I was quite busy with work and didn t have time to investigate. When I did finally get around to looking into it the vehicle was already taken by another family member to run an errand. Concerned that my account might have been hacked I logged into my Tesla account on the website to see what might be going on. Nothing. My car was gone. Now very concerned I checked the Tesla app on my phone. For a moment I saw a brief flash of the picture of my car which was immediately replaced with options to look into new vehicles to purchase. My car was gone. I then checked the Tesla app on my partner s phone. Again: My car was gone. My mind raced. Had my account been hacked? That seemed implausible. My passwords are high-entropy and unique per account. Had the guys at Costco changing my tires somehow figured out a way to override my account? That seemed implausible too but…maybe? Was my vehicle being stolen right now? Clearly someone else knew where the car was maybe they were just waiting for it to be left in a public parking lot before making their move? I texted the family member to check if the vehicle was still where she parked it and that all the doors trunk and frunk were still locked. I then urgently searched for Tesla s customer service phone number which is surprisingly difficult to find on their website when stressed out about your vehicle no longer being under your control. Google came to the rescue: 1 (888) 518-3752 I luckily got a human on the line relatively quickly. I explained the situation told her my account info. She then asked for the last six digits of the VIN. After nervously scraping around the filing cabinet I found a document with the VIN and gave her the digits. She then asked me to read it back to her. Her responses after this point started to sound puzzled. She asked for the full VIN. Then after a few moments of typing she said she needed to escalate to her manager to address this problem. Hmmm… About fifteen minutes of hold-music later she came back and asked if I had the car in my possession. After confirming that I indeed had not sold or given away my vehicle she asked me what color it was. After responding she went back on hold. I was puzzled. I guess my account wasn t hacked? But what had happened? A few minutes later she came back. “I m sorry Mr. Quattlebaum but it appears that one of our employees in Europe entered the wrong VIN when updating the system about the sale of another vehicle. The wrong VIN they entered was the VIN for your vehicle” “What the fuck?” I exclaimed in suprise completely oblivious to my son being nearby. “Yeah it s pretty bad. We are going to move the vehicle back over to your account and open an investigation into how this happened” I was dumbfounded. Someone “in Europe” had bought a used Tesla and then went on to transfer the vehicle to their Tesla account—except the VIN that was used was the VIN for \\*my\\* vehicle. Never mind that my vehicle is clearly nowhere in Europe or that it doesn t even have a compatible charging port for European chargers. They just handed control of my vehicle over to some random person no questions asked. Theoretically had this random person been in proximity to my vehicle they could have opened it started it and driven away with it. Not that this was a real concern but still. In case you were wondering here is a list of the things that someone can do remotely on a Tesla vehicle if that vehicle is in their account: * Lock Unlock the doors. * Roll down the windows. * Open the trunk and frunk. * Control the climate control. * Honk the horn. * Flash the lights. * Start the vehicle so that it may be driven. * Give other accounts control of the vehicle. * Change the charge limit. * Prevent charging entirely. * Open nearby linked garage doors. * See the location of the vehicle. * Summon the vehicle making it move if it is not connected to a charging cable (although the app would likely have prevented this). Had we been dependent on using the phone key feature we would not have been able to open or start the vehicle. Luckily all drivers for the vehicle have that feature turned off and only use NFC keys which were unaffected. Once the vehicle was transferred to their account this random person proceeded to remotely open the trunk frunk change the climate controls change the charge limit and even the garage door to my home multiple times throughout the day. I sincerely doubt they had any idea the chaos they were causing: I m sure they were confused about why they couldn t open their frunk from the app. “So the vehicle is now back in my account?” “Yes sir and we ve opened an investigation into how this happened” “And the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement that s back on my account too?” “Yes of course” And a little bit later while trying to work out the details of how to get the car back onto my partner s account the phone went silent. Didn t disconnect just went silent. After several minutes of waiting I hung up. I went to the Tesla website and finally I could see my Model 3 back on my account. Phew. Then I went to check the “glovebox” to see if my Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement (MVPA) was still there. **EDIT3**: u Doctor_McKay pointed out that the MVPA was likely still in my account now under previously owned vehicles . Turns out that s exactly where it went. Thanks for the advice! ~~It was gone.~~ ~~You might be wondering why this is important. This is important because I had purchased the “Full Self Driving” (FSD) package and the MVPA proved that I had made that purchase. However shortly after taking possession of my vehicle it no longer had the additional features that came exclusively with the FSD package. I had tried to get Tesla to fix this in the past (they even upgraded my FSD computer for free because they saw I had purchased FSD on the MVPA) but they never actually enabled it in the vehicle. I had been meaning to call them up at some point to complain again to get them to honor the MVPA which was conveniently right there on my account for them to read—but life is busy and I kept pushing it back. Besides the MVPA wasn t going anywhere right?~~ ~~Little did I know that Tesla was going to hijack my vehicle from my account deleteing the MVPA from it in the process. Now I feared I was going to have to prove that I made the FSD purchase instead of them just looking at the MVPA and acknowledging the mistake.~~ I digress. This was as they say a complete clusterfuck. I m left feeling somewhat violated and shaken by the fact that this was even possible without physical possession of the vehicle or my participation. But perhaps that s on me: I m a software engineer I know how this stuff works. My ownership of the vehicle is just a line in their database to reassign at-will. There are no safeguards or cryptographic verifications that would require proof of physical possession before changing that line. All Tesla owners are just a fat-finger away from losing the ability to remotely monitor and control their vehicle. If it happened to me it could happen to you. & #x200B **EDIT**: Edited to make it clear that it is unlikely the person who was given control knew what was happening. **EDIT2:** Made it more clear that the family member to took the Tesla to run errands was not the same person as my partner . | That person screwing with the trunk garage etc was probably them trying to figure out why the hell their own car wasn t responding to commands. | That is CRAZY! | 881 | 10 | 9,860 |
xehfbl | 1,622 | Tesla assigned my Model 3 to some random person in Europe Maybe you ve heard of me. I m the guy who managed to [reverse-engineer the Tesla Key Cards](https: gist.github.com darconeous 2cd2de11148e3a75685940158bddf933) that are used on the Model 3 and Model Y. But that s not what this post is about. This is the story about how Tesla accidentally assigned my vehicle to some random person “in Europe” giving them the ability to remotely control various aspects of my vehicle—even the garage door to my home—without my knowledge or consent. It started a few days ago when my partner told me that the garage door was open and I walked out to investigate. This seemed strange: I didn t remember opening the garage door. “Maybe I m just being forgetful?” I thought to myself. A little later in the day my partner told me that our Tesla Model 3 had been acting strangely. When walking up to the car she would notice the trunk and frunk open and the AC blowing at full blast. After closing both she said they opened again a short while later. At this point I was a little more concerned but I was quite busy with work and didn t have time to investigate. When I did finally get around to looking into it the vehicle was already taken by another family member to run an errand. Concerned that my account might have been hacked I logged into my Tesla account on the website to see what might be going on. Nothing. My car was gone. Now very concerned I checked the Tesla app on my phone. For a moment I saw a brief flash of the picture of my car which was immediately replaced with options to look into new vehicles to purchase. My car was gone. I then checked the Tesla app on my partner s phone. Again: My car was gone. My mind raced. Had my account been hacked? That seemed implausible. My passwords are high-entropy and unique per account. Had the guys at Costco changing my tires somehow figured out a way to override my account? That seemed implausible too but…maybe? Was my vehicle being stolen right now? Clearly someone else knew where the car was maybe they were just waiting for it to be left in a public parking lot before making their move? I texted the family member to check if the vehicle was still where she parked it and that all the doors trunk and frunk were still locked. I then urgently searched for Tesla s customer service phone number which is surprisingly difficult to find on their website when stressed out about your vehicle no longer being under your control. Google came to the rescue: 1 (888) 518-3752 I luckily got a human on the line relatively quickly. I explained the situation told her my account info. She then asked for the last six digits of the VIN. After nervously scraping around the filing cabinet I found a document with the VIN and gave her the digits. She then asked me to read it back to her. Her responses after this point started to sound puzzled. She asked for the full VIN. Then after a few moments of typing she said she needed to escalate to her manager to address this problem. Hmmm… About fifteen minutes of hold-music later she came back and asked if I had the car in my possession. After confirming that I indeed had not sold or given away my vehicle she asked me what color it was. After responding she went back on hold. I was puzzled. I guess my account wasn t hacked? But what had happened? A few minutes later she came back. “I m sorry Mr. Quattlebaum but it appears that one of our employees in Europe entered the wrong VIN when updating the system about the sale of another vehicle. The wrong VIN they entered was the VIN for your vehicle” “What the fuck?” I exclaimed in suprise completely oblivious to my son being nearby. “Yeah it s pretty bad. We are going to move the vehicle back over to your account and open an investigation into how this happened” I was dumbfounded. Someone “in Europe” had bought a used Tesla and then went on to transfer the vehicle to their Tesla account—except the VIN that was used was the VIN for \\*my\\* vehicle. Never mind that my vehicle is clearly nowhere in Europe or that it doesn t even have a compatible charging port for European chargers. They just handed control of my vehicle over to some random person no questions asked. Theoretically had this random person been in proximity to my vehicle they could have opened it started it and driven away with it. Not that this was a real concern but still. In case you were wondering here is a list of the things that someone can do remotely on a Tesla vehicle if that vehicle is in their account: * Lock Unlock the doors. * Roll down the windows. * Open the trunk and frunk. * Control the climate control. * Honk the horn. * Flash the lights. * Start the vehicle so that it may be driven. * Give other accounts control of the vehicle. * Change the charge limit. * Prevent charging entirely. * Open nearby linked garage doors. * See the location of the vehicle. * Summon the vehicle making it move if it is not connected to a charging cable (although the app would likely have prevented this). Had we been dependent on using the phone key feature we would not have been able to open or start the vehicle. Luckily all drivers for the vehicle have that feature turned off and only use NFC keys which were unaffected. Once the vehicle was transferred to their account this random person proceeded to remotely open the trunk frunk change the climate controls change the charge limit and even the garage door to my home multiple times throughout the day. I sincerely doubt they had any idea the chaos they were causing: I m sure they were confused about why they couldn t open their frunk from the app. “So the vehicle is now back in my account?” “Yes sir and we ve opened an investigation into how this happened” “And the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement that s back on my account too?” “Yes of course” And a little bit later while trying to work out the details of how to get the car back onto my partner s account the phone went silent. Didn t disconnect just went silent. After several minutes of waiting I hung up. I went to the Tesla website and finally I could see my Model 3 back on my account. Phew. Then I went to check the “glovebox” to see if my Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement (MVPA) was still there. **EDIT3**: u Doctor_McKay pointed out that the MVPA was likely still in my account now under previously owned vehicles . Turns out that s exactly where it went. Thanks for the advice! ~~It was gone.~~ ~~You might be wondering why this is important. This is important because I had purchased the “Full Self Driving” (FSD) package and the MVPA proved that I had made that purchase. However shortly after taking possession of my vehicle it no longer had the additional features that came exclusively with the FSD package. I had tried to get Tesla to fix this in the past (they even upgraded my FSD computer for free because they saw I had purchased FSD on the MVPA) but they never actually enabled it in the vehicle. I had been meaning to call them up at some point to complain again to get them to honor the MVPA which was conveniently right there on my account for them to read—but life is busy and I kept pushing it back. Besides the MVPA wasn t going anywhere right?~~ ~~Little did I know that Tesla was going to hijack my vehicle from my account deleteing the MVPA from it in the process. Now I feared I was going to have to prove that I made the FSD purchase instead of them just looking at the MVPA and acknowledging the mistake.~~ I digress. This was as they say a complete clusterfuck. I m left feeling somewhat violated and shaken by the fact that this was even possible without physical possession of the vehicle or my participation. But perhaps that s on me: I m a software engineer I know how this stuff works. My ownership of the vehicle is just a line in their database to reassign at-will. There are no safeguards or cryptographic verifications that would require proof of physical possession before changing that line. All Tesla owners are just a fat-finger away from losing the ability to remotely monitor and control their vehicle. If it happened to me it could happen to you. & #x200B **EDIT**: Edited to make it clear that it is unlikely the person who was given control knew what was happening. **EDIT2:** Made it more clear that the family member to took the Tesla to run errands was not the same person as my partner . | That person screwing with the trunk garage etc was probably them trying to figure out why the hell their own car wasn t responding to commands. | I take it VINs don t have check digits cause if they did the dealer who fucked up would have needed exceptional luck to miss key the number successfully ...unless they re picking VINs from a list | 881 | 16 | 9,861 |
xfq7tu | 101 | 28.2 can now sense if you have the PWS speaker disconnected. I updated the car yesterday whilst at the office. When I got in I saw this yellow triangle alert popup stating the speaker needs service. You can swipe it to the right and it just reduces to the triangle. Its persistent and will not go away. I have my PWS disconnected so the alert is correct but now the car will nag you about it. |  Can t sense PWS if yo car never had PWS | Got to trick it into thinking its an OG MY- my 2020 MY doesn t have one never did. | 111 | 5 | 9,862 |
xfq7tu | 101 | 28.2 can now sense if you have the PWS speaker disconnected. I updated the car yesterday whilst at the office. When I got in I saw this yellow triangle alert popup stating the speaker needs service. You can swipe it to the right and it just reduces to the triangle. Its persistent and will not go away. I have my PWS disconnected so the alert is correct but now the car will nag you about it. |  Can t sense PWS if yo car never had PWS | Upvote hoping someone smarter than me can come up with a bypass. Don t need my whole neighborhood knowing when I leave my house. *UFO sound intensifies* | 111 | 11 | 9,863 |
xfq7tu | 101 | 28.2 can now sense if you have the PWS speaker disconnected. I updated the car yesterday whilst at the office. When I got in I saw this yellow triangle alert popup stating the speaker needs service. You can swipe it to the right and it just reduces to the triangle. Its persistent and will not go away. I have my PWS disconnected so the alert is correct but now the car will nag you about it. |  Can t sense PWS if yo car never had PWS | The pedestrian horn was something I absolutely loved about the Volt it had the main horn and a quieter version for using on pedestrians that were in the way why couldn t they have just mandated all cars have that instead? | 111 | 16 | 9,864 |
xfzfu0 | 153 | Can we have our navigation freeway exit number highlighted in green? (matching the freeway sign) The font is too small and blends in with everything else all I need is my exit number highlighted in green and bigger. Would love this! | You mean gray on gray on gray on gray doesn t work for you? | This means it should be adapted by market. In Quebec the exit sign is yellow. | 55 | 19 | 9,865 |
xhq24d | 62 | I am so angry with Tesla Insurance safety score bullish!t I maintain a 100 safety score most days. 99 or 98 on a bad day if I screw up. But recently I ve been screwed by stop lights on the highway. Doing say 58 in a 55 approaching stop lights has become really stressful because if they turn amber at just the right distance I m forced to make a choice: brake hard to stop before the red light and incur a horrendous penalty on my safety score of “hard braking” or accelerate and run the red in order to avoid the safety score hit. This is stupid. The safe behavior is to stop. The unsafe behavior is to run the red. But I get penalized for the safe behavior to the extent that my safety score drops to 86 (today) just for doing the legal safe reasonable thing. I m literally being financially incentivized to run red lights. This is costing me money and I m pissed. Fuck Tesla s stupid safety score premiums. That is all. | Are you saving that much with Tesla insurance to have to deal with this sort of stress every time you drive? | Nobody is disappointed in you if your safety score is low. You can still go on to lead a meaningful life. Are the lower premiums worth all of this? Do you have alternate insurance companies you can use? | 47 | 4 | 9,866 |
xhq24d | 62 | I am so angry with Tesla Insurance safety score bullish!t I maintain a 100 safety score most days. 99 or 98 on a bad day if I screw up. But recently I ve been screwed by stop lights on the highway. Doing say 58 in a 55 approaching stop lights has become really stressful because if they turn amber at just the right distance I m forced to make a choice: brake hard to stop before the red light and incur a horrendous penalty on my safety score of “hard braking” or accelerate and run the red in order to avoid the safety score hit. This is stupid. The safe behavior is to stop. The unsafe behavior is to run the red. But I get penalized for the safe behavior to the extent that my safety score drops to 86 (today) just for doing the legal safe reasonable thing. I m literally being financially incentivized to run red lights. This is costing me money and I m pissed. Fuck Tesla s stupid safety score premiums. That is all. | Are you saving that much with Tesla insurance to have to deal with this sort of stress every time you drive? | What about engaging Autopilot? I hear that any maneuvers it performs are not counted in the safety score. But I guess it means you need to have Enhanced Autopilot for the stop light feature. | 47 | 21 | 9,867 |
xi1zss | 48 | FSD 10.69 owners do you feel more relaxed using it? Is it worth $10k? Thanks to the people who replied to my last post. I want to ask the other FSD owners opinion this time. I ordered MYLR last October when the FSD option was $10k. The car is projected to be delivered in the next couple weeks. I can still get it for $10k until delivery. I asked the one Tesla FSD beta owner that I knew who told me he “probably wouldn t spend $10k for FSD”. It was 10.12 at that time. I decided to not go with FSD because 1) Musk kept on saying it “will be ready by the end of year” many years ago 2) you can try subscribe 3) if you lose change the car then the money is wasted 4) no promise you actually get selected to beta test and 5) it s far from a L4–5 system. However that was before 10.69. 10.69 footages impressed me. It feels like a real leap forward. Seeing the AI navigates Chuck s turn w o intervention most of the time was exciting. Hat tip to the Tesla developers. What about another 3 years of improving the technology? The Y will be my commuter car (about 12mi suburb local road 25–50mph no highway 40mins each way). I would love to have a car that drives myself to and back from work even at a L2 system if it makes me feel relaxed at the wheel! When you use FSD on local drives do you feel more relaxed and less tired? Would you get it if you are in my shoes? | Not at all. Some maneuvers are smoother but it still makes catastrophic errors. There is no way anyone would get into this robotaxi. Outstanding issues on every drive: - Lane selection. Zero anticipation of correct and safe lane. Will ride in wrong lane in heavy traffic for more than a mile and then in the last 0.1 mile try to change 1 or 2 lanes to make the turn. Unsafe annoying to other drivers. Unnecessary. Anticipating the upcoming turn 0.5-1 mile ahead where possible would avoid issue. - Unprotected left hand turn with wide rightward veer. When about to take a left turn it will veer too far right into the lane. Traffic coming from behind in the right hand lane have had to veer and honk. - Bypassing cars ahead waiting to turn or at a stop light. Behavior is way too aggressive. When stopped in a line awaiting an unprotected left it will try to go around the car in front. I have a routine UPL with a double yellow line that FSD will drive over into oncoming traffic. Also when at a stop light with a car ahead FSD will try to creep between the car ahead and the lane to the left when there are only two lanes. - Soeed limits. Dramatically worse recognition of speed limits. 45mph zone will take a turn and proceed at 25mph in traffic. Constantly having to dial up speed. - Random lane changes to “follow route”. Have a 1 mile stretch of road on home commute. Turn at end is left. Will start in left lane try to change into right then back into left then back into right about 0.1 mile from turn. If heavy traffic will slow almost to a crawl to make lane change. No reason at all for this. Nobody I know will ride in the car if I use FSD as a rule. Friends family. Hoping they fix these issues. Until then I d wait. I use FSD for about three trips with each update mark the errors and send in reports then wait until the next update. I ve had FSD since the start have had car since early 2018. Edit: typos. | 10k would prob be the max. Otherwise I d subscribe on an as needed basis. | 162 | 2 | 9,868 |
xi1zss | 48 | FSD 10.69 owners do you feel more relaxed using it? Is it worth $10k? Thanks to the people who replied to my last post. I want to ask the other FSD owners opinion this time. I ordered MYLR last October when the FSD option was $10k. The car is projected to be delivered in the next couple weeks. I can still get it for $10k until delivery. I asked the one Tesla FSD beta owner that I knew who told me he “probably wouldn t spend $10k for FSD”. It was 10.12 at that time. I decided to not go with FSD because 1) Musk kept on saying it “will be ready by the end of year” many years ago 2) you can try subscribe 3) if you lose change the car then the money is wasted 4) no promise you actually get selected to beta test and 5) it s far from a L4–5 system. However that was before 10.69. 10.69 footages impressed me. It feels like a real leap forward. Seeing the AI navigates Chuck s turn w o intervention most of the time was exciting. Hat tip to the Tesla developers. What about another 3 years of improving the technology? The Y will be my commuter car (about 12mi suburb local road 25–50mph no highway 40mins each way). I would love to have a car that drives myself to and back from work even at a L2 system if it makes me feel relaxed at the wheel! When you use FSD on local drives do you feel more relaxed and less tired? Would you get it if you are in my shoes? | Not at all. Some maneuvers are smoother but it still makes catastrophic errors. There is no way anyone would get into this robotaxi. Outstanding issues on every drive: - Lane selection. Zero anticipation of correct and safe lane. Will ride in wrong lane in heavy traffic for more than a mile and then in the last 0.1 mile try to change 1 or 2 lanes to make the turn. Unsafe annoying to other drivers. Unnecessary. Anticipating the upcoming turn 0.5-1 mile ahead where possible would avoid issue. - Unprotected left hand turn with wide rightward veer. When about to take a left turn it will veer too far right into the lane. Traffic coming from behind in the right hand lane have had to veer and honk. - Bypassing cars ahead waiting to turn or at a stop light. Behavior is way too aggressive. When stopped in a line awaiting an unprotected left it will try to go around the car in front. I have a routine UPL with a double yellow line that FSD will drive over into oncoming traffic. Also when at a stop light with a car ahead FSD will try to creep between the car ahead and the lane to the left when there are only two lanes. - Soeed limits. Dramatically worse recognition of speed limits. 45mph zone will take a turn and proceed at 25mph in traffic. Constantly having to dial up speed. - Random lane changes to “follow route”. Have a 1 mile stretch of road on home commute. Turn at end is left. Will start in left lane try to change into right then back into left then back into right about 0.1 mile from turn. If heavy traffic will slow almost to a crawl to make lane change. No reason at all for this. Nobody I know will ride in the car if I use FSD as a rule. Friends family. Hoping they fix these issues. Until then I d wait. I use FSD for about three trips with each update mark the errors and send in reports then wait until the next update. I ve had FSD since the start have had car since early 2018. Edit: typos. | FSD value is not lost if you total or sell trade the vehicle. It does depreciate along with the vehicle but you are still recouping the remaining value. As to whether it s worth it depends on you. Even without Autosteer on City Streets you get many useful features. Do you have a long highway based commute? NoA is worth it to me for that use case. The other non-beta gated features have uses and value but without a highway commute I d be hard pressed to recommend it on those alone. FSD Beta is a tech enthusiasts dream. Being part of the evolution of the tech is a fantastic experience if that s your thing. It s a system that when combined with a human makes you much safer. It s basically a supervised automation platform with the potential to eliminate supervision over time. It will occasionally cause some stress when it does socially awkward things. Think of teaching your teenager to drive from the passenger seat type scenarios. Ultimately if 10k is a meaningful amount of money to you and your station in life would be impacted perhaps skip it. Otherwise it s so worth it. | 162 | 7 | 9,869 |
xi1zss | 48 | FSD 10.69 owners do you feel more relaxed using it? Is it worth $10k? Thanks to the people who replied to my last post. I want to ask the other FSD owners opinion this time. I ordered MYLR last October when the FSD option was $10k. The car is projected to be delivered in the next couple weeks. I can still get it for $10k until delivery. I asked the one Tesla FSD beta owner that I knew who told me he “probably wouldn t spend $10k for FSD”. It was 10.12 at that time. I decided to not go with FSD because 1) Musk kept on saying it “will be ready by the end of year” many years ago 2) you can try subscribe 3) if you lose change the car then the money is wasted 4) no promise you actually get selected to beta test and 5) it s far from a L4–5 system. However that was before 10.69. 10.69 footages impressed me. It feels like a real leap forward. Seeing the AI navigates Chuck s turn w o intervention most of the time was exciting. Hat tip to the Tesla developers. What about another 3 years of improving the technology? The Y will be my commuter car (about 12mi suburb local road 25–50mph no highway 40mins each way). I would love to have a car that drives myself to and back from work even at a L2 system if it makes me feel relaxed at the wheel! When you use FSD on local drives do you feel more relaxed and less tired? Would you get it if you are in my shoes? | Not at all. Some maneuvers are smoother but it still makes catastrophic errors. There is no way anyone would get into this robotaxi. Outstanding issues on every drive: - Lane selection. Zero anticipation of correct and safe lane. Will ride in wrong lane in heavy traffic for more than a mile and then in the last 0.1 mile try to change 1 or 2 lanes to make the turn. Unsafe annoying to other drivers. Unnecessary. Anticipating the upcoming turn 0.5-1 mile ahead where possible would avoid issue. - Unprotected left hand turn with wide rightward veer. When about to take a left turn it will veer too far right into the lane. Traffic coming from behind in the right hand lane have had to veer and honk. - Bypassing cars ahead waiting to turn or at a stop light. Behavior is way too aggressive. When stopped in a line awaiting an unprotected left it will try to go around the car in front. I have a routine UPL with a double yellow line that FSD will drive over into oncoming traffic. Also when at a stop light with a car ahead FSD will try to creep between the car ahead and the lane to the left when there are only two lanes. - Soeed limits. Dramatically worse recognition of speed limits. 45mph zone will take a turn and proceed at 25mph in traffic. Constantly having to dial up speed. - Random lane changes to “follow route”. Have a 1 mile stretch of road on home commute. Turn at end is left. Will start in left lane try to change into right then back into left then back into right about 0.1 mile from turn. If heavy traffic will slow almost to a crawl to make lane change. No reason at all for this. Nobody I know will ride in the car if I use FSD as a rule. Friends family. Hoping they fix these issues. Until then I d wait. I use FSD for about three trips with each update mark the errors and send in reports then wait until the next update. I ve had FSD since the start have had car since early 2018. Edit: typos. | FSD v10.69 is the first version that I can relax with similarly to freeway autopilot. It messes up in some predictable scenarios but MAN is it smooth now. $10k is worth completely if you agree they will solve FSD. I ll let you decide that for yourself but I also encourage you to try it yourself instead of relying on hearsay. | 162 | 17 | 9,870 |
xikk1t | 254 | Tesla Insurance officially approved by Florida Insurance Regulators- Tentative Launch 10 20 22 I previously had posted about them filing a few months ago however the application has now been approved. Looks like FSD AP will factor in for a discount and they will be doing a Safety Score based rating rate system as well for the state. Found these documents on the FL Insurance Regulation site - Sample rates & Approved customer communication forms https: www.scribd.com document 595519959 FL-Rates https: www.scribd.com document 595520023 FL-Forms | Can not wait to get this and dump my current insurance company. | Nice I ll be checking this out in Fort Lauderdale here for my 2022 model Y | 34 | 3 | 9,871 |
xikk1t | 254 | Tesla Insurance officially approved by Florida Insurance Regulators- Tentative Launch 10 20 22 I previously had posted about them filing a few months ago however the application has now been approved. Looks like FSD AP will factor in for a discount and they will be doing a Safety Score based rating rate system as well for the state. Found these documents on the FL Insurance Regulation site - Sample rates & Approved customer communication forms https: www.scribd.com document 595519959 FL-Rates https: www.scribd.com document 595520023 FL-Forms | Can not wait to get this and dump my current insurance company. | Sweet. Can t wait. | 34 | 3 | 9,872 |
xj2a8y | 226 | Feature idea: Show percentage of trip that was autonomous when reaching destination I think it would be interesting to see what percentage of my trips were automated. Maybe also filters to show last 7d 30d or even month to month chart for what percentage of my driving trips were automated. Maybe as simple as miles driven autonomous miles driven… Could track give insight from an individual perspective how valuable FSD enhanced AP has been. I would bet for folks that have lots of highway commutes and use AP FSD they will see that a very high percentage of their drive is autonomous. Also would be cool to show long road trips being 90+%. | I would like an overall Autopilot Odometer | I believe folks with Tesla insurance can now see how many miles were on AutoPilot but agreed I would like to see my own usage (and where Tesla insurance is not available.) | 51 | 8 | 9,873 |
xj2a8y | 226 | Feature idea: Show percentage of trip that was autonomous when reaching destination I think it would be interesting to see what percentage of my trips were automated. Maybe also filters to show last 7d 30d or even month to month chart for what percentage of my driving trips were automated. Maybe as simple as miles driven autonomous miles driven… Could track give insight from an individual perspective how valuable FSD enhanced AP has been. I would bet for folks that have lots of highway commutes and use AP FSD they will see that a very high percentage of their drive is autonomous. Also would be cool to show long road trips being 90+%. | I would like an overall Autopilot Odometer | I like the idea but maybe don t count any mile that there is an intervention. I disable FSD for a few second when there is a turn I know it ll mess up… but otherwise FSD is always on and would misleadingly show 99.9% | 51 | 12 | 9,874 |
xj8695 | 25 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Blind spot indicator on the screen not just the popup repeater window. Have something like the blue autopilot nag but in amber. This way I can see it out of my peripheral vision instead of trying to look at a camera view to find if there is a car there or not. When switching to full screen driving window keep the icons in the same position. The report feedback button moves all the way to the right. Speed limit mode needs to add the ability to not just set the maximum speed but also a percentage or mph above the current speed limit. A max speed of 80 still lets someone including a valet drive fast in residential streets. ~~Alternate routes~~ Yes finally! | Support for captive portal WiFi sign-in | 34 | 2 | 9,875 |
xj8695 | 25 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Blind spot indicator on the screen not just the popup repeater window. Have something like the blue autopilot nag but in amber. This way I can see it out of my peripheral vision instead of trying to look at a camera view to find if there is a car there or not. When switching to full screen driving window keep the icons in the same position. The report feedback button moves all the way to the right. Speed limit mode needs to add the ability to not just set the maximum speed but also a percentage or mph above the current speed limit. A max speed of 80 still lets someone including a valet drive fast in residential streets. ~~Alternate routes~~ Yes finally! | NoA s constant lane change to the right lane is annoying. They can monitor the traffic behind you using the rear camera. if there is no car right behind you there is no need to move to the right lane. Also they should look further ahead in the right lane. If there is a slow traffic in right lane don t move to the right lane. | 34 | 5 | 9,876 |
xjzyqz | 28 | Testing for Input lag (both touchscreen and pedal) in a Tesla Model 3 Performance This post below is a heavily condensed version of the [article here](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag tesla-lag.html) which features more graphics information and background. I wanted to test for input lag in its various forms on my Model 3 performance and scrutinized not just the hardware angle (pedal lag & gear stick) but also Tesla s touchscreen to see how responsive the various buttons menus sliders and scroll widgets are. Tesla is renowned for its snappy interface at least on its newer cars but is there any room for improvement? #Pedal lag Pedal lag was the first thing I looked at and we re looking explicitly for the time gap between pressing on the accelerator pedal and when any amount of power is applied physically i.e. when the car starts to move. (This doesn t necessarily equate to throttle response on ICEs!). With electric cars this may even become primarily a software problem rather than necessarily a hardware issue (where motors are renowned for their instant torque . Anyway on a low-speed wind day in a safe area I placed a modern phone camera (capable of 60 frames per second) resting in the driver side footwell placed it against the side and used the mat to secure it in place (see [photo](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag camera2s.jpg)). I then strategically angled the phone so that it has a [simultaneous view](https: i.imgur.com r7tQL4B.png) of the aluminium pedal AND the outside assuming the door is left open. [Here is the video](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag pedal540-4M.mp4) from one of the multiple tests I did. Zooming into the video and finding the [colour difference between images](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag difference-image.png) I was able to nail a latency down to around 50 milliseconds. This represents an upper limit as noise becomes an issue at these precise levels of time and resolution. 50 milliseconds is not a bad result! Quite a good one actually and better than I originally expected. Room for improvement? Sure though it s tricky to gauge how noticeable it would be. If we take a look at [this video](https: youtu.be vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52) from a Microsoft researcher we can see that even 10 milliseconds is noticeable in some situations and 1ms is close to ideal. #Touchscreen latency Secondly I tested to see how responsive the touchscreen was. Hardcore gamers who try to shave milliseconds off their input lag during play will know what I mean: You feel more connected to the game and it generally makes for a smoother and more enjoyable experience. Unfortunately touchscreens are particularly susceptible to lag and the [aforementioned video](https: youtu.be vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52) is well worth a watch to demonstrate how even 10 milliseconds can be too much. I tested [various often used buttons](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag button-presses270.mp4) (200ms lag) the [Climate button](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag climate_button270.mp4) (185ms lag) [map scrolling](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag map-scroll270.mp4) (110ms lag) [Menu tab changing](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag menu-selection270.mp4) (185ms lag) the [ Start button](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag start-menu-270.mp4) (170ms lag) [temperature changing](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag temp-change270.mp4) (205ms lag) [window scrolling](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag window-scroll270.mp4) (105ms lag) and the [keyboard](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag keyboard270.mp4) (100ms lag). The original videos are much longer and higher quality. Overall I found a latency of around 100-200 milliseconds which isn t great to be honest. Current touchscreen technology is at least partially to blame but Tesla can immediately improve the experience on many occasions by at least 50 milliseconds if that click is registered at the moment the finger touches the screen ( finger-down ) RATHER than when it leaves the screen ( finger-up ). This won t be ideal for some elements that are immediately draggable but for controls like simple buttons opening windows menus and changing the temperature the opportunity is there to shorten the perceived lag by around half! #Testing startup to Drive mode latency Finally [some users](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments x3pu7o change_i_just_noticed_the_frunk_now_opens_without imt6sk5 ) (including myself) have noticed that the car frustratingly doesn t immediately allow you to switch into the Drive gear after you press the foot brake pedal. There s a short delay that you need to wait out before adjusting the gear lever. To test for latency the obvious idea is to keep hammering the gear lever (approx every 0.2 sec) until we see the Tesla show the D icon (Drive) change from the P icon (Park). Unfortunately for some reason the car doesn t like this very much and as a result just causes further delay (around 3.5 seconds based on [this video](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag hammering-drive-mode.mp4) before allowing you to switch into Drive). Better to use a higher delay (say 0.4 seconds) between gear lever presses. To accurately keep interval timing I used a metronome and timed my gear lever presses to the sound of the metronome beat with the first press to happen simultaneously with the foot brake push (and hold). Using this technique I found the vehicle switched to drive mode on the 3rd lever pull at around 0.8 seconds. Experimenting with other metronome timings 84bpm specifically (which failed on the second lever pull) I found a lower bound of 0.7 seconds so we can estimate the true lag before the car allows you to switch to Drive mode is around 0.75 seconds. This is sometimes a painful wait especially if you pull the gear stick too early and find it doesn t switch at all. #Summary and conclusions TLDR We found a pedal lag of around 50 milliseconds a touchscreen lag from around 100-200 milliseconds and a preflight check wait to allow Drive gear wait of around 0.75 seconds (750 milliseconds). The above three summaries are the areas where I think Tesla can most improve in regards to latency. I hope Tesla takes note of these concerns to help make driving the car a more pleasurable and snappy experience! [Full article here](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag tesla-lag.html). | I ve measured pedal responsiveness through the CAN bus and it came to about 75-100ms under a hard launch (the situation where you d arguably care the most about lag). Full torque takes about 1 4 second to build even if you stab the pedal instantly. There s a lower limit of accuracy of about 10ms as the polling rates of various devices generally don t go above 100 Hz and some are even less than that. Here s the plot of the first 500 ms following a hard launch zeroed to the moment the pedal was pressed: https: i.imgur.com Rsolnwc.png The accelerator pedal registered 0-100% within 93 ms (fast feet). The brake pedal (I was in Hold mode) automatically disengaged at 109 ms. Rear torque and Front power were first seen at 75 ms followed by Rear power and Front torque at 93 ms with battery power seen rising somewhere between these two. RPM on both wheels was measured at 127 ms but that counter has lower resolution than torque and power. Torque ramped up significantly and reached peaks of 231 Nm (front) and 329 Nm (rear) at 260 ms. Speed wasn t registered until 249 ms but Speed and RPM data are both delayed at low speeds due to the wheel position counters needing to rotate a certain amount of times before registering the change. | Worst lag in my model x is the tailgate close button and sound. No joke the tailgate could be half way down before it chimes | 29 | 2 | 9,877 |
xjzyqz | 28 | Testing for Input lag (both touchscreen and pedal) in a Tesla Model 3 Performance This post below is a heavily condensed version of the [article here](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag tesla-lag.html) which features more graphics information and background. I wanted to test for input lag in its various forms on my Model 3 performance and scrutinized not just the hardware angle (pedal lag & gear stick) but also Tesla s touchscreen to see how responsive the various buttons menus sliders and scroll widgets are. Tesla is renowned for its snappy interface at least on its newer cars but is there any room for improvement? #Pedal lag Pedal lag was the first thing I looked at and we re looking explicitly for the time gap between pressing on the accelerator pedal and when any amount of power is applied physically i.e. when the car starts to move. (This doesn t necessarily equate to throttle response on ICEs!). With electric cars this may even become primarily a software problem rather than necessarily a hardware issue (where motors are renowned for their instant torque . Anyway on a low-speed wind day in a safe area I placed a modern phone camera (capable of 60 frames per second) resting in the driver side footwell placed it against the side and used the mat to secure it in place (see [photo](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag camera2s.jpg)). I then strategically angled the phone so that it has a [simultaneous view](https: i.imgur.com r7tQL4B.png) of the aluminium pedal AND the outside assuming the door is left open. [Here is the video](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag pedal540-4M.mp4) from one of the multiple tests I did. Zooming into the video and finding the [colour difference between images](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag difference-image.png) I was able to nail a latency down to around 50 milliseconds. This represents an upper limit as noise becomes an issue at these precise levels of time and resolution. 50 milliseconds is not a bad result! Quite a good one actually and better than I originally expected. Room for improvement? Sure though it s tricky to gauge how noticeable it would be. If we take a look at [this video](https: youtu.be vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52) from a Microsoft researcher we can see that even 10 milliseconds is noticeable in some situations and 1ms is close to ideal. #Touchscreen latency Secondly I tested to see how responsive the touchscreen was. Hardcore gamers who try to shave milliseconds off their input lag during play will know what I mean: You feel more connected to the game and it generally makes for a smoother and more enjoyable experience. Unfortunately touchscreens are particularly susceptible to lag and the [aforementioned video](https: youtu.be vOvQCPLkPt4?t=52) is well worth a watch to demonstrate how even 10 milliseconds can be too much. I tested [various often used buttons](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag button-presses270.mp4) (200ms lag) the [Climate button](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag climate_button270.mp4) (185ms lag) [map scrolling](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag map-scroll270.mp4) (110ms lag) [Menu tab changing](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag menu-selection270.mp4) (185ms lag) the [ Start button](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag start-menu-270.mp4) (170ms lag) [temperature changing](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag temp-change270.mp4) (205ms lag) [window scrolling](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag window-scroll270.mp4) (105ms lag) and the [keyboard](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag keyboard270.mp4) (100ms lag). The original videos are much longer and higher quality. Overall I found a latency of around 100-200 milliseconds which isn t great to be honest. Current touchscreen technology is at least partially to blame but Tesla can immediately improve the experience on many occasions by at least 50 milliseconds if that click is registered at the moment the finger touches the screen ( finger-down ) RATHER than when it leaves the screen ( finger-up ). This won t be ideal for some elements that are immediately draggable but for controls like simple buttons opening windows menus and changing the temperature the opportunity is there to shorten the perceived lag by around half! #Testing startup to Drive mode latency Finally [some users](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments x3pu7o change_i_just_noticed_the_frunk_now_opens_without imt6sk5 ) (including myself) have noticed that the car frustratingly doesn t immediately allow you to switch into the Drive gear after you press the foot brake pedal. There s a short delay that you need to wait out before adjusting the gear lever. To test for latency the obvious idea is to keep hammering the gear lever (approx every 0.2 sec) until we see the Tesla show the D icon (Drive) change from the P icon (Park). Unfortunately for some reason the car doesn t like this very much and as a result just causes further delay (around 3.5 seconds based on [this video](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag hammering-drive-mode.mp4) before allowing you to switch into Drive). Better to use a higher delay (say 0.4 seconds) between gear lever presses. To accurately keep interval timing I used a metronome and timed my gear lever presses to the sound of the metronome beat with the first press to happen simultaneously with the foot brake push (and hold). Using this technique I found the vehicle switched to drive mode on the 3rd lever pull at around 0.8 seconds. Experimenting with other metronome timings 84bpm specifically (which failed on the second lever pull) I found a lower bound of 0.7 seconds so we can estimate the true lag before the car allows you to switch to Drive mode is around 0.75 seconds. This is sometimes a painful wait especially if you pull the gear stick too early and find it doesn t switch at all. #Summary and conclusions TLDR We found a pedal lag of around 50 milliseconds a touchscreen lag from around 100-200 milliseconds and a preflight check wait to allow Drive gear wait of around 0.75 seconds (750 milliseconds). The above three summaries are the areas where I think Tesla can most improve in regards to latency. I hope Tesla takes note of these concerns to help make driving the car a more pleasurable and snappy experience! [Full article here](https: www.skytopia.com project tesla lag tesla-lag.html). | I ve measured pedal responsiveness through the CAN bus and it came to about 75-100ms under a hard launch (the situation where you d arguably care the most about lag). Full torque takes about 1 4 second to build even if you stab the pedal instantly. There s a lower limit of accuracy of about 10ms as the polling rates of various devices generally don t go above 100 Hz and some are even less than that. Here s the plot of the first 500 ms following a hard launch zeroed to the moment the pedal was pressed: https: i.imgur.com Rsolnwc.png The accelerator pedal registered 0-100% within 93 ms (fast feet). The brake pedal (I was in Hold mode) automatically disengaged at 109 ms. Rear torque and Front power were first seen at 75 ms followed by Rear power and Front torque at 93 ms with battery power seen rising somewhere between these two. RPM on both wheels was measured at 127 ms but that counter has lower resolution than torque and power. Torque ramped up significantly and reached peaks of 231 Nm (front) and 329 Nm (rear) at 260 ms. Speed wasn t registered until 249 ms but Speed and RPM data are both delayed at low speeds due to the wheel position counters needing to rotate a certain amount of times before registering the change. | Besides the brake pedal -> drive latency the most annoying Tesla UI latency I ve seen is navigating to Home. For whatever reason pressing the Home button after pressing in the search bar is ignored for me > 50% of the time. Some times I ve pressed it four or five times in quick succession before it is finally registered. Other times I almost have to hold down on it. And I have the Ryzen chip so it s not a matter of the processor being bogged down. | 29 | 3 | 9,878 |
xkdwm7 | 158 | Best way to file complaint against Tesla service center? Hi all - we have had to have our model y serviced for the same problem 3 times. The folks at the service center have been nothing but rude insinuating that we were to blame for something that has been an issue with the car from day 1. Where is the best place to lodge a complaint? I don t think speaking to the manger would lead anywhere. Thank you for help! | Lemon law lawyer | Try on twitter to Elon. He s asked that complaints go through him | 171 | 14 | 9,879 |
xkdwm7 | 158 | Best way to file complaint against Tesla service center? Hi all - we have had to have our model y serviced for the same problem 3 times. The folks at the service center have been nothing but rude insinuating that we were to blame for something that has been an issue with the car from day 1. Where is the best place to lodge a complaint? I don t think speaking to the manger would lead anywhere. Thank you for help! | Lemon law lawyer | Welcome to the world of Tesla. I tired to complain and they told me to not contact them again about it as the response from Tesla will always be the same. | 171 | 18 | 9,880 |
xkdwm7 | 158 | Best way to file complaint against Tesla service center? Hi all - we have had to have our model y serviced for the same problem 3 times. The folks at the service center have been nothing but rude insinuating that we were to blame for something that has been an issue with the car from day 1. Where is the best place to lodge a complaint? I don t think speaking to the manger would lead anywhere. Thank you for help! | Lemon law lawyer | Twitter @elonmusk Pretty sure he specifically asked to hear of such issues. | 171 | 89 | 9,881 |
xkhaia | 36 | FSD Making Incorrect Left Turns It appears FSD makes it s lane choice by determining the next turn even if the turn is far down the road instead of turning into the left lane and then signaling to move over to the right. Has anyone else experienced this? I m assuming most jurisdictions in North America have similar left turn lane rules. It happens every single time. Also worth noting that it does not appear to be confused and jerking at the last minute into a lane (it does that other times during more complicated turns) but rather this is very smooth deliberate and into the wrong lane. All lanes are clearly marked and it does this at all intersections where my next turn is a right hand turn. https: preview.redd.it g9o0k34c3ap91.jpg?width=475& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=55c149b78c372781ad29a4e90ad88224c03ee048 | More often than not I have the opposite problem. With a quick turn coming up it will still turn into the closest lane then try to awkwardly cross multiple lanes to make the turn. | I have noticed this but I ve also seen it happen when it s incorrect for navigation. I suspect it is in fact an error and that it s simply choosing to roll with it rather than hastily correct mid intersection. | 46 | 3 | 9,882 |
xkhaia | 36 | FSD Making Incorrect Left Turns It appears FSD makes it s lane choice by determining the next turn even if the turn is far down the road instead of turning into the left lane and then signaling to move over to the right. Has anyone else experienced this? I m assuming most jurisdictions in North America have similar left turn lane rules. It happens every single time. Also worth noting that it does not appear to be confused and jerking at the last minute into a lane (it does that other times during more complicated turns) but rather this is very smooth deliberate and into the wrong lane. All lanes are clearly marked and it does this at all intersections where my next turn is a right hand turn. https: preview.redd.it g9o0k34c3ap91.jpg?width=475& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=55c149b78c372781ad29a4e90ad88224c03ee048 | More often than not I have the opposite problem. With a quick turn coming up it will still turn into the closest lane then try to awkwardly cross multiple lanes to make the turn. | Lane picking has several issues and part of the problem is maps and vision not matching or the planner and driving policy not agreeing on the correct lane. You can report them but things won t really change until they focus on the problem. | 46 | 4 | 9,883 |
xkhaia | 36 | FSD Making Incorrect Left Turns It appears FSD makes it s lane choice by determining the next turn even if the turn is far down the road instead of turning into the left lane and then signaling to move over to the right. Has anyone else experienced this? I m assuming most jurisdictions in North America have similar left turn lane rules. It happens every single time. Also worth noting that it does not appear to be confused and jerking at the last minute into a lane (it does that other times during more complicated turns) but rather this is very smooth deliberate and into the wrong lane. All lanes are clearly marked and it does this at all intersections where my next turn is a right hand turn. https: preview.redd.it g9o0k34c3ap91.jpg?width=475& format=pjpg& auto=webp& s=55c149b78c372781ad29a4e90ad88224c03ee048 | More often than not I have the opposite problem. With a quick turn coming up it will still turn into the closest lane then try to awkwardly cross multiple lanes to make the turn. | lots of rules are fine to bend. If it s not hitting anyone and it s safe then I don t see a problem. | 46 | 4 | 9,884 |
xn05fy | 733 | We need an official watch app from Tesla With every generation the Apple Watch gets closer to becoming a phone replacement. I just want to leave my house with my watch and be able to control my car. Is that too much to ask? Debatable it s safer than a phone key since it s always on my wrist. I don t want a 3rd party app! This seems like a no brainer and really wouldn t take that much development time. Edit: upvote for visibility no bolt on solution Tesla can spare some intern to make us a watch app. | There are so many reasons I want this as a first party app. No offence but I don t really want to give ANY access to my car to a third party no matter how nice they seem. I would love to go swimming running or whatever and leave my phone behind but still get in the car. The key car is small enough but if it fell out of my pocket I d be sunk. At least my watch is literally strapped to my wrist. | Give it 2 or 3 years. Tesla has been really slow at basic software updates. | 95 | 2 | 9,885 |
xn05fy | 733 | We need an official watch app from Tesla With every generation the Apple Watch gets closer to becoming a phone replacement. I just want to leave my house with my watch and be able to control my car. Is that too much to ask? Debatable it s safer than a phone key since it s always on my wrist. I don t want a 3rd party app! This seems like a no brainer and really wouldn t take that much development time. Edit: upvote for visibility no bolt on solution Tesla can spare some intern to make us a watch app. | There are so many reasons I want this as a first party app. No offence but I don t really want to give ANY access to my car to a third party no matter how nice they seem. I would love to go swimming running or whatever and leave my phone behind but still get in the car. The key car is small enough but if it fell out of my pocket I d be sunk. At least my watch is literally strapped to my wrist. | So much yes. | 95 | 3 | 9,886 |
xn05fy | 733 | We need an official watch app from Tesla With every generation the Apple Watch gets closer to becoming a phone replacement. I just want to leave my house with my watch and be able to control my car. Is that too much to ask? Debatable it s safer than a phone key since it s always on my wrist. I don t want a 3rd party app! This seems like a no brainer and really wouldn t take that much development time. Edit: upvote for visibility no bolt on solution Tesla can spare some intern to make us a watch app. | There are so many reasons I want this as a first party app. No offence but I don t really want to give ANY access to my car to a third party no matter how nice they seem. I would love to go swimming running or whatever and leave my phone behind but still get in the car. The key car is small enough but if it fell out of my pocket I d be sunk. At least my watch is literally strapped to my wrist. | I absolutely agree. In the meantime however I ve found that Watchla is a pretty good solution. It can do pretty much anything the Tesla phone app can do (with the exception of phone key although it can do remote start) it s relatively cheap with no subscription fees and the dev is responsive. | 95 | 5 | 9,887 |
xnwstk | 209 | Tesla accessories I wish I didn t buy So it seems like a common act of excitement to buy accessories during the long wait time while you re awaiting to receive your tesla. I think this is part due to youtubers pushing you towards that direction (because guess what they make money out of advertising for those sponsers!). So I d like to list out the things I bought so that you don t make my mistake and burn all that cash. Before I go any further I recommend not making the mistake I made and don t buy anything before you actually receive the car. Here s the list of things that I purchased which ones I thought were worth it and which ones where not. # Things I wish I didn t buy: \\- **[Center console cup holder cover](https: a.co d 1hqb2fm)**: I bought the baesenor ones off the amazon. Honestly I don t know why people buy anything to cover there. There original space (without the cover) is not that big enough as you might think. So any type of covering (of any brand) would make it difficult to put your coffee cups and stuff in there. So you end up forcing the cup into the place and there is like 70% chance that doing this actually increases the chance of spilling coffee outside that area. Which defeats the entire purpose and messes up your entire interior. Just don t buy anything and your car looks more minimal and oem and you save money too! (If you insist of having some protection I would only put something for the floor of that cup area). \\- **[Magsafe phone mount](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products invisible-foldaway-car-mount-with-magsafe-charger)**: I bought the Jowua phone mount for a rip off price. Bought it directly off the Jowua website and while they said the shipping is free they didn t mention anywhere during the checkout that there was going to be a 25% (or any) customs being added after it shipped. I would never buy anything off of their official website beware. Aside from that as much as I loved and used the carplay in my previous car I have never used my phone itself once in tesla. It s just unintuitive because the Tesla UI is just awesome and has everything you need you also save on phone data. Also I m not sure if the magsafe charging is mfi certified and if has negative effects on your car battery draw or not. I would only buy a mount or a mount with charger if I was a uber driver. Otherwise save yourself money and space in your tesla. \\- **[Jowua Center console trays](https: abstractocean.com products center-console-tray-gen-2)**: I bought both. The youtubers are so gong ho on these! While the quality of them are nice I feel like they re totally useless. They don t allow for much space as they show in the videos or pictures. I would either not buy anything and use the spacious area as tesla designed it (and just throw stuff in the the lazy way!!) or just buy the tesla OEM ones. Way better value for 1 2 or 1 3 the price. Much better use of space. The other brands (other than tesla and Jowua are just trash don t even bother) \\- **[Jowua light bar thing](https: abstractocean.com products handheld-led-lightbar)**: Meh it s cute but wouldn t buy it for the above reasons. After the first 30 minutes it becomes something you ignore. Don t worry you don t need that light as there is already great cabin lights in the cabin. And the amount of the space it occupies is not worth it in my opinion (You d want to put your glasses there instead of that). \\- **[Jowua Game controller](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products multi-device-wireless-controller)**: Update- Just tried the controllers and realized the A and B buttons are revered. What the hell???? Big no! ~~I m neutral on this. Still haven t used it one time because the only games worth my time are Sonic and Cuphead and I haven t received that update yet. The controller looks cute. But I feel like you could buy the xbox controller for half the price with much better grip (with sacricifing the cool look of jowua of course)~~. \\- **Jowua glove box usb connector**: Total rip off. Just buy it off ali express for 2 dollars. I m 100% percent it comes out the exact factory with just different labeling charging people 10 times more just for the branding. \\- **[Air freshners](https: a.co d 6RFz9Fq)**: I can t spellout the name here (rhymes with tesla vehicle models names) but you probably know which ones I am reffering here (you can find them on abstract ocean). They smell amazing and very classy. But they end in like 1.5 days. So up to you. \\- **[Homelink](https: shop.tesla.com product model-3_y-automatic-garage-opener)**: I would probably save cash by not buying it. It s way expensive for what it is. \\- **[Tesla key fob](https: shop.tesla.com product model-s-key-fob)**: Don t waste money on this. The phone connection is already phenomenal zero need for that. # Things I m happy I bought them: \\- **[Tuxmat Floor mats](https: a.co d hv5mBlb)**: I bought the tuxmats. They are freaking awesome and worth extra penny dollar. I don t think they even have any competition with the amount of coverage and the quality that they have. \\- **[Spigen glass protector](https: www.spigen.com products tesla-model-3-y-screen-protector-ez-fit-glas-tr)**: Totally worth it. I bought the non-matte version and I think it s the one to go. It s so good you wouldn t notice it s even installed. The only gripe was I didn t find any good instructions when installing it and ended up installing it with a ton of frustration. \\- **[Tesla rugged trunk mat](https: shop.tesla.com product model-y-rugged-textile-rear-trunk-mat)**: I bought the OEM ones from Tesla shop (The cheaper version). It s awesome go for it. If the tux mats where a bit cheaper I would have definitely bought them because they are the only product on the market that offer protection for the lip of the trunk where you put your luggage. Or who knows with the savings you make on the stuff on mentioned maybe you can shell out for the tux mats! \\- **[Armrest cover](https: a.co d 2VtwK9g)**: Definitely go for it makes night and day difference. Especially the comfy ones and they don t cost that much (Edit I bought the Motrobe brand). \\- **[Tesla Water Bottle](https: shop.tesla.com product stainless-steel-water-bottle?sku=9123515-SS-A)**: For the money I think it s worth it. Very cool and elegant design. Has exccellent ability on holding tempreture and a very nice soft touch to it. And it feels like a nice attachment to Tesla brand. \\- **[Model 3 Y Performance Pedal Set](https: shop.teslarati.com en-ca products tesla-model-3-y-performance-pedal-set)**: I actually bought two sets of these. One was Top fit and the other was Motrobe . Top fit was noticeably heaver and better quality. That being said both of them didn t actually seem to be real aluminum. Would be nice if someone with a performance Model 3 Y can confirm if the OEM ones are real aluminim or not. All the being said It adds a very nice touch to the driving experience altogether. \\- **Tesla Wall charger**: I bought it 100% worth it. Especially with the voucher that I received from Tesla. \\- **Update 1** - Added performance pedals because I forgot \\- **Update 2** - Wow lots of elite Homelink fans haha. I don t disagree that this is an innovative and very useful tech. My point was if you already have a garage door opener that is hidden on your sun vizor and just works is it still justified to pay that amount of money for it? \\- **Update 3** - Added the links even though it wasn t the general intention of this post. \\- **Update 4** - Just tried the Jowua controllers for the first time and realized the A and B and X Y buttons placement is reveresed. Honestly fire the designer of these already (and the people who review these stuff!). | I love my Homelink. I don t have a garage door anymore though so I don t get to use it anymore. Soon I hope to resolve that though. | Resources: [Tesla Official Support](https: www.tesla.com support) | [Wiki FAQ](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) | [Discord Chat](https: discord.gg tesla) | [Support Thread](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments vp075g your_tesla_support_thread_q3_2022 ) | r TeslaLounge for personal content | Help the Mods by **reporting posts and comments** which break [rules](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki rules). *I am a bot and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit]( message compose ?to= r teslamotors) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 121 | 4 | 9,888 |
xnwstk | 209 | Tesla accessories I wish I didn t buy So it seems like a common act of excitement to buy accessories during the long wait time while you re awaiting to receive your tesla. I think this is part due to youtubers pushing you towards that direction (because guess what they make money out of advertising for those sponsers!). So I d like to list out the things I bought so that you don t make my mistake and burn all that cash. Before I go any further I recommend not making the mistake I made and don t buy anything before you actually receive the car. Here s the list of things that I purchased which ones I thought were worth it and which ones where not. # Things I wish I didn t buy: \\- **[Center console cup holder cover](https: a.co d 1hqb2fm)**: I bought the baesenor ones off the amazon. Honestly I don t know why people buy anything to cover there. There original space (without the cover) is not that big enough as you might think. So any type of covering (of any brand) would make it difficult to put your coffee cups and stuff in there. So you end up forcing the cup into the place and there is like 70% chance that doing this actually increases the chance of spilling coffee outside that area. Which defeats the entire purpose and messes up your entire interior. Just don t buy anything and your car looks more minimal and oem and you save money too! (If you insist of having some protection I would only put something for the floor of that cup area). \\- **[Magsafe phone mount](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products invisible-foldaway-car-mount-with-magsafe-charger)**: I bought the Jowua phone mount for a rip off price. Bought it directly off the Jowua website and while they said the shipping is free they didn t mention anywhere during the checkout that there was going to be a 25% (or any) customs being added after it shipped. I would never buy anything off of their official website beware. Aside from that as much as I loved and used the carplay in my previous car I have never used my phone itself once in tesla. It s just unintuitive because the Tesla UI is just awesome and has everything you need you also save on phone data. Also I m not sure if the magsafe charging is mfi certified and if has negative effects on your car battery draw or not. I would only buy a mount or a mount with charger if I was a uber driver. Otherwise save yourself money and space in your tesla. \\- **[Jowua Center console trays](https: abstractocean.com products center-console-tray-gen-2)**: I bought both. The youtubers are so gong ho on these! While the quality of them are nice I feel like they re totally useless. They don t allow for much space as they show in the videos or pictures. I would either not buy anything and use the spacious area as tesla designed it (and just throw stuff in the the lazy way!!) or just buy the tesla OEM ones. Way better value for 1 2 or 1 3 the price. Much better use of space. The other brands (other than tesla and Jowua are just trash don t even bother) \\- **[Jowua light bar thing](https: abstractocean.com products handheld-led-lightbar)**: Meh it s cute but wouldn t buy it for the above reasons. After the first 30 minutes it becomes something you ignore. Don t worry you don t need that light as there is already great cabin lights in the cabin. And the amount of the space it occupies is not worth it in my opinion (You d want to put your glasses there instead of that). \\- **[Jowua Game controller](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products multi-device-wireless-controller)**: Update- Just tried the controllers and realized the A and B buttons are revered. What the hell???? Big no! ~~I m neutral on this. Still haven t used it one time because the only games worth my time are Sonic and Cuphead and I haven t received that update yet. The controller looks cute. But I feel like you could buy the xbox controller for half the price with much better grip (with sacricifing the cool look of jowua of course)~~. \\- **Jowua glove box usb connector**: Total rip off. Just buy it off ali express for 2 dollars. I m 100% percent it comes out the exact factory with just different labeling charging people 10 times more just for the branding. \\- **[Air freshners](https: a.co d 6RFz9Fq)**: I can t spellout the name here (rhymes with tesla vehicle models names) but you probably know which ones I am reffering here (you can find them on abstract ocean). They smell amazing and very classy. But they end in like 1.5 days. So up to you. \\- **[Homelink](https: shop.tesla.com product model-3_y-automatic-garage-opener)**: I would probably save cash by not buying it. It s way expensive for what it is. \\- **[Tesla key fob](https: shop.tesla.com product model-s-key-fob)**: Don t waste money on this. The phone connection is already phenomenal zero need for that. # Things I m happy I bought them: \\- **[Tuxmat Floor mats](https: a.co d hv5mBlb)**: I bought the tuxmats. They are freaking awesome and worth extra penny dollar. I don t think they even have any competition with the amount of coverage and the quality that they have. \\- **[Spigen glass protector](https: www.spigen.com products tesla-model-3-y-screen-protector-ez-fit-glas-tr)**: Totally worth it. I bought the non-matte version and I think it s the one to go. It s so good you wouldn t notice it s even installed. The only gripe was I didn t find any good instructions when installing it and ended up installing it with a ton of frustration. \\- **[Tesla rugged trunk mat](https: shop.tesla.com product model-y-rugged-textile-rear-trunk-mat)**: I bought the OEM ones from Tesla shop (The cheaper version). It s awesome go for it. If the tux mats where a bit cheaper I would have definitely bought them because they are the only product on the market that offer protection for the lip of the trunk where you put your luggage. Or who knows with the savings you make on the stuff on mentioned maybe you can shell out for the tux mats! \\- **[Armrest cover](https: a.co d 2VtwK9g)**: Definitely go for it makes night and day difference. Especially the comfy ones and they don t cost that much (Edit I bought the Motrobe brand). \\- **[Tesla Water Bottle](https: shop.tesla.com product stainless-steel-water-bottle?sku=9123515-SS-A)**: For the money I think it s worth it. Very cool and elegant design. Has exccellent ability on holding tempreture and a very nice soft touch to it. And it feels like a nice attachment to Tesla brand. \\- **[Model 3 Y Performance Pedal Set](https: shop.teslarati.com en-ca products tesla-model-3-y-performance-pedal-set)**: I actually bought two sets of these. One was Top fit and the other was Motrobe . Top fit was noticeably heaver and better quality. That being said both of them didn t actually seem to be real aluminum. Would be nice if someone with a performance Model 3 Y can confirm if the OEM ones are real aluminim or not. All the being said It adds a very nice touch to the driving experience altogether. \\- **Tesla Wall charger**: I bought it 100% worth it. Especially with the voucher that I received from Tesla. \\- **Update 1** - Added performance pedals because I forgot \\- **Update 2** - Wow lots of elite Homelink fans haha. I don t disagree that this is an innovative and very useful tech. My point was if you already have a garage door opener that is hidden on your sun vizor and just works is it still justified to pay that amount of money for it? \\- **Update 3** - Added the links even though it wasn t the general intention of this post. \\- **Update 4** - Just tried the Jowua controllers for the first time and realized the A and B and X Y buttons placement is reveresed. Honestly fire the designer of these already (and the people who review these stuff!). | I love my Homelink. I don t have a garage door anymore though so I don t get to use it anymore. Soon I hope to resolve that though. | I just bought a homelink for my model Y (I bought it for my model 3 3 years ago). It s a nice convenience feature to not have a gross garage door opener in the car. It s pretty expensive though so if you can live with a physical button in the car then I d say you re not missing much. But one thing I do like about it is now I can open and close my garage door with the app from anywhere while I have a car home. Kinda turns it into a smart opener at that point. | 121 | 29 | 9,889 |
xnwstk | 209 | Tesla accessories I wish I didn t buy So it seems like a common act of excitement to buy accessories during the long wait time while you re awaiting to receive your tesla. I think this is part due to youtubers pushing you towards that direction (because guess what they make money out of advertising for those sponsers!). So I d like to list out the things I bought so that you don t make my mistake and burn all that cash. Before I go any further I recommend not making the mistake I made and don t buy anything before you actually receive the car. Here s the list of things that I purchased which ones I thought were worth it and which ones where not. # Things I wish I didn t buy: \\- **[Center console cup holder cover](https: a.co d 1hqb2fm)**: I bought the baesenor ones off the amazon. Honestly I don t know why people buy anything to cover there. There original space (without the cover) is not that big enough as you might think. So any type of covering (of any brand) would make it difficult to put your coffee cups and stuff in there. So you end up forcing the cup into the place and there is like 70% chance that doing this actually increases the chance of spilling coffee outside that area. Which defeats the entire purpose and messes up your entire interior. Just don t buy anything and your car looks more minimal and oem and you save money too! (If you insist of having some protection I would only put something for the floor of that cup area). \\- **[Magsafe phone mount](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products invisible-foldaway-car-mount-with-magsafe-charger)**: I bought the Jowua phone mount for a rip off price. Bought it directly off the Jowua website and while they said the shipping is free they didn t mention anywhere during the checkout that there was going to be a 25% (or any) customs being added after it shipped. I would never buy anything off of their official website beware. Aside from that as much as I loved and used the carplay in my previous car I have never used my phone itself once in tesla. It s just unintuitive because the Tesla UI is just awesome and has everything you need you also save on phone data. Also I m not sure if the magsafe charging is mfi certified and if has negative effects on your car battery draw or not. I would only buy a mount or a mount with charger if I was a uber driver. Otherwise save yourself money and space in your tesla. \\- **[Jowua Center console trays](https: abstractocean.com products center-console-tray-gen-2)**: I bought both. The youtubers are so gong ho on these! While the quality of them are nice I feel like they re totally useless. They don t allow for much space as they show in the videos or pictures. I would either not buy anything and use the spacious area as tesla designed it (and just throw stuff in the the lazy way!!) or just buy the tesla OEM ones. Way better value for 1 2 or 1 3 the price. Much better use of space. The other brands (other than tesla and Jowua are just trash don t even bother) \\- **[Jowua light bar thing](https: abstractocean.com products handheld-led-lightbar)**: Meh it s cute but wouldn t buy it for the above reasons. After the first 30 minutes it becomes something you ignore. Don t worry you don t need that light as there is already great cabin lights in the cabin. And the amount of the space it occupies is not worth it in my opinion (You d want to put your glasses there instead of that). \\- **[Jowua Game controller](https: www.jowua-life.com en-ca products multi-device-wireless-controller)**: Update- Just tried the controllers and realized the A and B buttons are revered. What the hell???? Big no! ~~I m neutral on this. Still haven t used it one time because the only games worth my time are Sonic and Cuphead and I haven t received that update yet. The controller looks cute. But I feel like you could buy the xbox controller for half the price with much better grip (with sacricifing the cool look of jowua of course)~~. \\- **Jowua glove box usb connector**: Total rip off. Just buy it off ali express for 2 dollars. I m 100% percent it comes out the exact factory with just different labeling charging people 10 times more just for the branding. \\- **[Air freshners](https: a.co d 6RFz9Fq)**: I can t spellout the name here (rhymes with tesla vehicle models names) but you probably know which ones I am reffering here (you can find them on abstract ocean). They smell amazing and very classy. But they end in like 1.5 days. So up to you. \\- **[Homelink](https: shop.tesla.com product model-3_y-automatic-garage-opener)**: I would probably save cash by not buying it. It s way expensive for what it is. \\- **[Tesla key fob](https: shop.tesla.com product model-s-key-fob)**: Don t waste money on this. The phone connection is already phenomenal zero need for that. # Things I m happy I bought them: \\- **[Tuxmat Floor mats](https: a.co d hv5mBlb)**: I bought the tuxmats. They are freaking awesome and worth extra penny dollar. I don t think they even have any competition with the amount of coverage and the quality that they have. \\- **[Spigen glass protector](https: www.spigen.com products tesla-model-3-y-screen-protector-ez-fit-glas-tr)**: Totally worth it. I bought the non-matte version and I think it s the one to go. It s so good you wouldn t notice it s even installed. The only gripe was I didn t find any good instructions when installing it and ended up installing it with a ton of frustration. \\- **[Tesla rugged trunk mat](https: shop.tesla.com product model-y-rugged-textile-rear-trunk-mat)**: I bought the OEM ones from Tesla shop (The cheaper version). It s awesome go for it. If the tux mats where a bit cheaper I would have definitely bought them because they are the only product on the market that offer protection for the lip of the trunk where you put your luggage. Or who knows with the savings you make on the stuff on mentioned maybe you can shell out for the tux mats! \\- **[Armrest cover](https: a.co d 2VtwK9g)**: Definitely go for it makes night and day difference. Especially the comfy ones and they don t cost that much (Edit I bought the Motrobe brand). \\- **[Tesla Water Bottle](https: shop.tesla.com product stainless-steel-water-bottle?sku=9123515-SS-A)**: For the money I think it s worth it. Very cool and elegant design. Has exccellent ability on holding tempreture and a very nice soft touch to it. And it feels like a nice attachment to Tesla brand. \\- **[Model 3 Y Performance Pedal Set](https: shop.teslarati.com en-ca products tesla-model-3-y-performance-pedal-set)**: I actually bought two sets of these. One was Top fit and the other was Motrobe . Top fit was noticeably heaver and better quality. That being said both of them didn t actually seem to be real aluminum. Would be nice if someone with a performance Model 3 Y can confirm if the OEM ones are real aluminim or not. All the being said It adds a very nice touch to the driving experience altogether. \\- **Tesla Wall charger**: I bought it 100% worth it. Especially with the voucher that I received from Tesla. \\- **Update 1** - Added performance pedals because I forgot \\- **Update 2** - Wow lots of elite Homelink fans haha. I don t disagree that this is an innovative and very useful tech. My point was if you already have a garage door opener that is hidden on your sun vizor and just works is it still justified to pay that amount of money for it? \\- **Update 3** - Added the links even though it wasn t the general intention of this post. \\- **Update 4** - Just tried the Jowua controllers for the first time and realized the A and B and X Y buttons placement is reveresed. Honestly fire the designer of these already (and the people who review these stuff!). | I love my Homelink. I don t have a garage door anymore though so I don t get to use it anymore. Soon I hope to resolve that though. | Homelink was included in mine and I use it everyday. How much is it? | 121 | 40 | 9,890 |
xsf3ef | 263 | Monitoring the car is way less stressful than driving it on FSD I got FSD 10.69.2.2 access in Model Y a couple of weeks ago and after driving it on a daily commute almost every day I firmly believe in Tesla s approach to self driving is the right one. Today while coming back home in a high traffic Austin roads I realized that its much less stressful to let the car drive than me driving and getting stressed about pane changing monitoring signals and following the traffic. Specially on the daily commute I know where the car will struggle so it s less stressful every day. How is everyone else s experience? | Ok the highways and straight city roads absolutely. But any city road that involves turning at a stop sign or light? Hell no. It s so inconsistent. Sometimes it s perfect and smooth as butter other times it acts like a tweaked out meth head or it just gets confused and sits there doing nothing. I don t trust it at all for city driving. | I agree completely. | 218 | 5 | 9,891 |
xsf3ef | 263 | Monitoring the car is way less stressful than driving it on FSD I got FSD 10.69.2.2 access in Model Y a couple of weeks ago and after driving it on a daily commute almost every day I firmly believe in Tesla s approach to self driving is the right one. Today while coming back home in a high traffic Austin roads I realized that its much less stressful to let the car drive than me driving and getting stressed about pane changing monitoring signals and following the traffic. Specially on the daily commute I know where the car will struggle so it s less stressful every day. How is everyone else s experience? | Ok the highways and straight city roads absolutely. But any city road that involves turning at a stop sign or light? Hell no. It s so inconsistent. Sometimes it s perfect and smooth as butter other times it acts like a tweaked out meth head or it just gets confused and sits there doing nothing. I don t trust it at all for city driving. | **100%**. Road trip taking me around Chicago *so much* less stressful letting the car manage the stop and go. I have EAP so changing lanes just takes a tap of the blinker and when it s safe the car moves. At home rush hours are not nearly as stressful except for the tailgaters. The car has improved significantly since I ve had it with respect to comfortable stopping in traffic as well. | 218 | 6 | 9,892 |
xsf3ef | 263 | Monitoring the car is way less stressful than driving it on FSD I got FSD 10.69.2.2 access in Model Y a couple of weeks ago and after driving it on a daily commute almost every day I firmly believe in Tesla s approach to self driving is the right one. Today while coming back home in a high traffic Austin roads I realized that its much less stressful to let the car drive than me driving and getting stressed about pane changing monitoring signals and following the traffic. Specially on the daily commute I know where the car will struggle so it s less stressful every day. How is everyone else s experience? | Ok the highways and straight city roads absolutely. But any city road that involves turning at a stop sign or light? Hell no. It s so inconsistent. Sometimes it s perfect and smooth as butter other times it acts like a tweaked out meth head or it just gets confused and sits there doing nothing. I don t trust it at all for city driving. | Not ready yet but I do agree it s less stress at times to monitor it vs. drive myself. Biggest complaint is inconsistency still making some big mistakes on some routes while driving perfect on others. But it s a beta so that s understandable. | 218 | 7 | 9,893 |
xugi3a | 72 | Tesla Insurance vs USAA vs GEICO With Maryland recently added to the states that Tesla now insures I figure I would see what the price differences are. I understand this will vary WILDLY depending on basically everything I m just giving my scenario but understand this is definitely not for everyone. For what it is worth we have had USAA since 2018 when we bought the Model 3 (switched from GEICO) ***PEOPLE BEING INSURED*** 51 yo male and 50 yo female. 1 accident in 35 years (70 years combined) of driving between the both of us no tickets within the last 10-12 years. ***CARS BEING INSURED*** 2018 Tesla Model 3 RWD and a 2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance & #x200B ***RESULTS*** GEICO - $2301 6mo premium ($383 mo) USAA - $1362 6mo premium ($227 mo) Tesla - $426 6mo premium ($71 mo) & #x200B I made sure to have the same options on all policies to compare them equally. There are a few slight differences between policies just because the way the insurance companies set up the policies. Needless to say we switched to Tesla immediately. Also I have used the Tesla Safety Score system before while trying to get into the FSD beta so I understand the quirks of the system and although I struggled to stay at 99 so I could join the beta I should have no issues staying above 90 to stay on a very low Tesla pricing tier. | I switched from usaa to Tesla for my model 3. It was a huge savings. It started me with 90 rating which was much cheaper. The. When got my real score it dropped significantly again. | I have seen posts from people stating that their Tesla insurance increases quite a bit for the next renewal. But can just switch again if that happens. | 36 | 8 | 9,894 |
xugi3a | 72 | Tesla Insurance vs USAA vs GEICO With Maryland recently added to the states that Tesla now insures I figure I would see what the price differences are. I understand this will vary WILDLY depending on basically everything I m just giving my scenario but understand this is definitely not for everyone. For what it is worth we have had USAA since 2018 when we bought the Model 3 (switched from GEICO) ***PEOPLE BEING INSURED*** 51 yo male and 50 yo female. 1 accident in 35 years (70 years combined) of driving between the both of us no tickets within the last 10-12 years. ***CARS BEING INSURED*** 2018 Tesla Model 3 RWD and a 2022 Tesla Model 3 Performance & #x200B ***RESULTS*** GEICO - $2301 6mo premium ($383 mo) USAA - $1362 6mo premium ($227 mo) Tesla - $426 6mo premium ($71 mo) & #x200B I made sure to have the same options on all policies to compare them equally. There are a few slight differences between policies just because the way the insurance companies set up the policies. Needless to say we switched to Tesla immediately. Also I have used the Tesla Safety Score system before while trying to get into the FSD beta so I understand the quirks of the system and although I struggled to stay at 99 so I could join the beta I should have no issues staying above 90 to stay on a very low Tesla pricing tier. | I switched from usaa to Tesla for my model 3. It was a huge savings. It started me with 90 rating which was much cheaper. The. When got my real score it dropped significantly again. | Being in the insurance industry I fully expect Tesla to get burned by the low cost growth model. Not to say they can t be cheaper than traditional insurance carriers but eventually the losses become more than you can handle without raising rates. | 36 | 8 | 9,895 |
xut2sx | 830 | This quote by Pete Bannon from the AI day 2022 is something everyone should hear I m frequently asked why is a car company building a supercomputer for training. This question fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Tesla. At it s heart Tesla is a hardcore technology company. All across the company people are working hard - in science and engineering - to advance the fundamental understanding and methods that we have available to build cars energy solutions robots and anything else we can do to improve the human conditions around the world. Pete Bannon leads the custom silicon and low voltage team at Tesla. | It s also kinda a ridiculous question in its face because it s basically asking. Why are you investing time and money into making a core part of your product better sooner? Gee Timmy I don t know why anyone would do that. | There was that question about the mission statement. I think they will update it within 5 years to be along the lines of what Pete said. | 220 | 7 | 9,896 |
xut2sx | 830 | This quote by Pete Bannon from the AI day 2022 is something everyone should hear I m frequently asked why is a car company building a supercomputer for training. This question fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Tesla. At it s heart Tesla is a hardcore technology company. All across the company people are working hard - in science and engineering - to advance the fundamental understanding and methods that we have available to build cars energy solutions robots and anything else we can do to improve the human conditions around the world. Pete Bannon leads the custom silicon and low voltage team at Tesla. | It s also kinda a ridiculous question in its face because it s basically asking. Why are you investing time and money into making a core part of your product better sooner? Gee Timmy I don t know why anyone would do that. | Agree. And it s also true that most tech companies stop doing anything innovative after their 1st trick. Many engineers who work in the large tech companies in the SF Bay Area are essentially just milking their time and enjoying the free foods massages coffees etc. | 220 | 16 | 9,897 |
xut2sx | 830 | This quote by Pete Bannon from the AI day 2022 is something everyone should hear I m frequently asked why is a car company building a supercomputer for training. This question fundamentally misunderstands the nature of Tesla. At it s heart Tesla is a hardcore technology company. All across the company people are working hard - in science and engineering - to advance the fundamental understanding and methods that we have available to build cars energy solutions robots and anything else we can do to improve the human conditions around the world. Pete Bannon leads the custom silicon and low voltage team at Tesla. | It s also kinda a ridiculous question in its face because it s basically asking. Why are you investing time and money into making a core part of your product better sooner? Gee Timmy I don t know why anyone would do that. | Wonderful quote. So much talent at Tesla! | 220 | 21 | 9,898 |
xy76ln | 31 | Would anyone else like to see significant FSD visualization improvements prioritized? The FSD visualization seems to be showing the instantaneous frame by frame interpretation of the world by the AI. While this is interesting to see from what I understand there are now many other layers of inference in the system including object persistence and likely position calculation before driving decisions are made. I think cleaning up the visualization of FSD would be hugely beneficial in instilling more confidence in the driver that the system better knows what the real world looks like. The current display with constantly flickering lines objects people locations is truly disconcerting - have you ever driven by a truck and seen how much the position of that truck jumps around in the display? Check out this visualization from Waymo as a comparison to know what I m talking about: https: www.youtube.com watch?v=O8TSA-X9UlU Some FSD examples for comparison: Lane lines jumping around: https: youtu.be qfKNMD8cm9o?t=595 Truck and people jumping and vanishing: https: youtu.be qfKNMD8cm9o?t=624 Cars and traffic dissapearing and appearing: https: youtu.be qfKNMD8cm9o?t=766 | I think the current visualizations are an honest reflection of what the system is perceiving. Things like flickering visualizations reflect what the system is seeing from frame to frame and it is meant to disconcert you — the underlying data dumps we ve seen from green shows the exact same thing extremely wildly varying distance and bounding box estimates for B pillar truck detections. Waymo in particular seems to do a cartoon rendering along a fixed track. It sprinkles things it sees like cones but smooths over visualization data to look pretty. I am all for FSD making the renderings look better by actually improving perception. But right now especially in the beta what you re seeing is what the car is making driving decisions on. Smoothing it is more of an Ostrich solution than actually beneficial. | I suspect this will be addressed in the production release of FSD potentially as the holiday release this year. | 55 | 4 | 9,899 |
xyp4rx | 577 | I am curious why people see the Model 3 as a rich person s car . A Chevy Surburban or Ford F-150 can be much more expensive than my car. I am aware that these examples are not comparable to a Tesla sedan but I doubt there s a single person that sees a Chevy SUV or Ford pickup and thinks they must be rich . I know my car was not cheap and I work hard for my money to pay for a luxury car . | A Chevy Suburban and a loaded F150 _are_ rich people cars | The people just have the old S X Roadster prices in their mind 🤷🏻♂️ and just transfer those to all Tesla products | 1,128 | 12 | 9,900 |
xyp4rx | 577 | I am curious why people see the Model 3 as a rich person s car . A Chevy Surburban or Ford F-150 can be much more expensive than my car. I am aware that these examples are not comparable to a Tesla sedan but I doubt there s a single person that sees a Chevy SUV or Ford pickup and thinks they must be rich . I know my car was not cheap and I work hard for my money to pay for a luxury car . | A Chevy Suburban and a loaded F150 _are_ rich people cars | Clean minimal design. Large screen. New technology. New brand name. Ignorance. | 1,128 | 18 | 9,901 |
xyp4rx | 577 | I am curious why people see the Model 3 as a rich person s car . A Chevy Surburban or Ford F-150 can be much more expensive than my car. I am aware that these examples are not comparable to a Tesla sedan but I doubt there s a single person that sees a Chevy SUV or Ford pickup and thinks they must be rich . I know my car was not cheap and I work hard for my money to pay for a luxury car . | A Chevy Suburban and a loaded F150 _are_ rich people cars | A friend of mine with a TRD forerunner was giving me shit when I got my Y. While she s in the process of calling me “mr moneybags” I screen capped the cost of her whip then mine made a side by side photo collage then showed her. Got a good laugh from that. | 1,128 | 49 | 9,902 |
y00fx0 | 65 | Refreshed S X request It s great having the screen in the back for kids to watch shows and movies. However with our little one in back when a movie is over and we are still on the road she can t reach screen and it s dangerous and wreck less to try and reach back there to start a new movie while driving. Would be awesome to be able to have an “assist screen” to mirror back screen to be able to get a new movie going for her. The control wheels on steering wheel can assist to get a movie going for back screen. Tesla I hope you still read these messages and listen to owners for new updates! | Sounds like it s not too dangerous if it s wreckless. | Seconded! No way to split audio and I also would like them to move the HomeLink button to the left side as it currently sits covering the two side repeater cameras so backing into my garage is difficult and I always have to swipe down to remove that HomeLink button after the garage door has already been triggered and is going up. | 62 | 13 | 9,903 |
y00fx0 | 65 | Refreshed S X request It s great having the screen in the back for kids to watch shows and movies. However with our little one in back when a movie is over and we are still on the road she can t reach screen and it s dangerous and wreck less to try and reach back there to start a new movie while driving. Would be awesome to be able to have an “assist screen” to mirror back screen to be able to get a new movie going for her. The control wheels on steering wheel can assist to get a movie going for back screen. Tesla I hope you still read these messages and listen to owners for new updates! | Sounds like it s not too dangerous if it s wreckless. | This is the first time I ve heard of someone using this. There s still no way to split audio right? | 62 | 17 | 9,904 |
y0174j | 23 | Range Reality I just took a job that s 66 miles from home. Between home and work there s a very long bridge (19 miles over a swamp) that routinely has accidents. Dumb question: if I m stuck sitting idle isn t it barely consuming any battery unless maybe the A C is running? So driving a minimum of 130 miles per day would it be better to go with a long range M3? Thanks you guys are my idols for driving these feats of engineering! | I have a 2018 MS 100D. Now as I write I have been sitting in it for 2h waiting for a friend s train to arrive. Its 15C (59F) and I have the heating set to 22C (72F) as I m not doing anything. In the past 2h I have used 2% of the battery (2% of my 100kWh battery is 2kWh this percentage will ofc change with battery size). My car has only resistive heating. Newer vehicles with a heatpump should be even better! It s not something you have to worry about. | AC isn t nothing but moving the vehicle is by far the biggest power draw. I do think you ll want the LR version but not because of this. | 34 | 3 | 9,905 |
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