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mlrlua | 40 | Why do we not have access to in cabin footage I don t know how many times I ve wished the car recorded inside. Could be an argument I want to reflect on or something funny to record. Then I remember wait there is a camera inside the car and a mic that I don t have access too. Knowing tesla utilizes my footage for their purposes but I can t really bothers me. I also feel like it s a bit illegal but hey I just want to see how many other people feel the same way. | I think wanting to watch and reflect back on an argument in the cabin is the weirdest thing I m going to read this week. | Yep I would be happy with confirmation that it s even planned. | 49 | 5 | 8,306 |
mmd6d4 | 251 | Model S refreshed VIN now being assigned I just got a call from Tesla Indianapolis sales rep informing me that will my order doesn t have a VIN assigned yet but their other customers at the Indianapolis location had VIN assigned today. This is the first I ve heard or seen VIN assignment of the new Model S. The expected delivery on the new VIN orders is 3 weeks. I am eagerly awaiting my updated VIN thought I d share some joy and cheer with you all. | “ . . . and you re also the only person in the area not getting laid.” | Seems kind of weird to call you and tell you that there isn t any progress on your order but other customers are getting them. Like rubbing salt in a wound. But Tesla service is going to continue to be Tesla service lol. | 37 | 3 | 8,307 |
mmd6d4 | 251 | Model S refreshed VIN now being assigned I just got a call from Tesla Indianapolis sales rep informing me that will my order doesn t have a VIN assigned yet but their other customers at the Indianapolis location had VIN assigned today. This is the first I ve heard or seen VIN assignment of the new Model S. The expected delivery on the new VIN orders is 3 weeks. I am eagerly awaiting my updated VIN thought I d share some joy and cheer with you all. | No I m not upset I asked them to keep me updated on these things Indy has had amazing customer service. | Seems kind of weird to call you and tell you that there isn t any progress on your order but other customers are getting them. Like rubbing salt in a wound. But Tesla service is going to continue to be Tesla service lol. | 33 | 3 | 8,308 |
mmnl5i | 865 | Tesla writes letter to to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg in support of the lawsuit filed by a german environmental protection group against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to combat climate change EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) & #x200B Translated from [this](https: www.tagesspiegel.de berlin deutschland-verfehlt-klimaschutzziele-tesla-schreibt-brandbrief-nach-problemen-um-gigafactory-in-gruenheide 27075742.html) german article from the Tagesspiegel via DeepL: **Title:** Germany misses climate protection targets - Tesla writes fire letter after problems surrounding Gigafactory in Grünheide. **Abstract:** Elon Musk s company is calling for priority approval for energy transition projects in Germany. Also because of bad experiences with the Gigafactory. By Thorsten Metzner . Six months before the federal election the Tesla Group led by Elon Musk is calling for a fundamental reform of the licensing law in Germany - with priority given to sustainable energy transition projects. This is the conclusion of an incendiary letter from Tesla which is available to this newspaper and which is also justified by the concrete experiences with the Gigafactory for Berlin-Brandenburg (GFBB) in Grünheide Brandenburg which was launched in November 2019 and has not yet been approved. The plant is actually scheduled to start production in July 2021. Tesla Brandenburg has experienced first-hand that obstacles in German licensing law slow down the necessary industrial transformation and thus the transport and energy turnaround the official letter says. State and federal politicians had promised all possible support for the Gigafactory. Nevertheless according to research by this newspaper the planned start of production is in danger also because the main permit is still open. Tesla s 10-page letter dated 7 April refers to the Federal Republic s ambitious and stated climate protection goals and the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany: In striking contrast however the German approval and planning processes date from a time when these concerns seemed less urgent the letter says. The result is that the approval process for what is in the end an environmentally friendly project is still the same as for a coal-fired power plant. The process would take too long it is very difficult to make changes even if they are positive overall and the process is fraught with legal risks at every step. The conclusion: This discourages necessary investments in clean energy projects and infrastructure and makes it virtually impossible for Germany to achieve its climate goals. For Tesla Brandenburg this means that 16 months after the application there is still no timetable for issuing a final permit. This is particularly irritating because the fundamental permissibility of the project has been examined and confirmed by several courts and not a single court decision has called into question the fundamental approval of the project. The sender of the letter is Tesla Manufaturing Brandenburg SE the offshoot of the global corporation that is currently building the almost completed Tesla Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg in Grünheide. It is addressed to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg as an Amicus Curie Letter an indirect letter of support for the lawsuit filed by Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH) against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to implement the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany. **Also a political letter** In essence it is also a political letter that the corporation is indirectly placing in the public domain half a year before the Bundestag elections. Tesla Brandenburg is aware of DUH s demands from the public and believes that it is in the interest of the Higher Administrative Court and the parties involved in these proceedings that Tesla Brandenburg shares its experiences with German approval procedures the letter reads. The company has made it its mission to accelerate the global energy transition which is instrumental in combating dangerous climate change. For the Gigafactory in Grünheide which has so far been built on the path of preliminary permits at the financial risk of Tesla of a complete dismantling in case of non-approval the main approval procedure is indeed nearing its end. But it is taking much longer than Tesla expected. It should be completed by the turn of the year. In November 2019 the US company announced its plans to build the Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg a multi-billion dollar production facility for electric vehicles in Grünheide (Mark) as it says in the letter to the OVG. It says the Gigafactory in Germany s capital region is a fundamental cornerstone of Tesla s mission. Tesla hopes to complete construction of the facility and have it operational by July 2021 creating approximately 12 000 jobs on site and an initial projected production capacity of 500 000 electric cars per year. This is a production capacity that will avoid 15 million tonnes of CO2 emissions on Europe s roads every year. **Tesla: Delayed approvals lead to additional greenhouse gas emissions** The letter to the court - in the ongoing approval process - states: Therefore a delay of only one month in the approval of the GFBB for operation and production would result in over one million tonnes of additional CO2 emissions. Tesla s goal of starting production only 20 months after the siting decision is not ambitious. Because of climate change it is simply necessary. But the German approval framework for industrial and infrastructure projects as well as for spatial planning is in direct contrast to the urgency of planning and realising such projects which is necessary because of climate change. The incendiary letter contrasts with the Tesla pace so far at Germany s fastest construction site where the factory is almost in place a year and a half after it was announced. The main reason for this however is primarily Tesla s unprecedented willingness to take financial risks in particular and to go beyond what is required by law. Tesla has invested significant sums without the certainty of whether and when the factory will have its final approval. Specifically Tesla therefore recommends a reform of the permitting law that favours energy transition projects. It is a glaring problem so far that a project that combats climate change like an electric car factory is treated the same as a project that accelerates climate change and exacerbates global warming (like a coal-fired power plant). The current procedures also do not take into account either the global or the trans-regional environmental impacts of a project . The framework he said does not allow authorities to act proportionately and balance specific local concerns with the overall environmental benefits of a project. Tesla has recently come under renewed criticism because of the water consumption of the future Gigafactory but is in a quandary: if the plans are improved in the current process there is a risk that all steps will have to be repeated. This is another reason why Tesla recommends acceleration management a fast track for accompanying approval procedures. The background to this is apparently the problems Tesla is having with the necessary relocation of the future Fangschleuse commuter station closer to the factory and the construction of a new factory motorway exit on the eastern Berlin ring road for which several years have been estimated so far according to the usual mechanisms in the Federal Republic. **Tesla wants different public participation** Tesla which describes the energy turnaround as the company s mission believes that more flexibility in ongoing approval procedures in Germany is indispensable. It is unrealistic to first develop a detailed fully elaborated master plan and then wait for its full approval before having the opportunities to make technically or planning-wise unavoidable adjustments the Tesla letter says: This leads to paralysis uncertainty and delays. Tesla s plea for a change in public participation is also explosive. The background to this is among other things the experience with the public hearing of around 400 Tesla critics in the Erkner town hall where things got very heated. The letter states that the company stands by public participation. However Tesla Brandenburg has also found that some current regulations invite abuse. The event format ultimately rewards volume over substance . The OVG which is now receiving Tesla s letter on the German Environmental Aid s case against the federal government is also likely to be busy again with the Gigafactory. Environmental groups want to file a lawsuit against the project as soon as the main permit is granted. & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) | I remember when the environmentalist group successfully campaigned against nuclear power plant only to find out the department of energy now restarted inefficient COAL power plants using low grade lignite coal. | Tl dr? | 203 | 17 | 8,309 |
mmnl5i | 865 | Tesla writes letter to to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg in support of the lawsuit filed by a german environmental protection group against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to combat climate change EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) & #x200B Translated from [this](https: www.tagesspiegel.de berlin deutschland-verfehlt-klimaschutzziele-tesla-schreibt-brandbrief-nach-problemen-um-gigafactory-in-gruenheide 27075742.html) german article from the Tagesspiegel via DeepL: **Title:** Germany misses climate protection targets - Tesla writes fire letter after problems surrounding Gigafactory in Grünheide. **Abstract:** Elon Musk s company is calling for priority approval for energy transition projects in Germany. Also because of bad experiences with the Gigafactory. By Thorsten Metzner . Six months before the federal election the Tesla Group led by Elon Musk is calling for a fundamental reform of the licensing law in Germany - with priority given to sustainable energy transition projects. This is the conclusion of an incendiary letter from Tesla which is available to this newspaper and which is also justified by the concrete experiences with the Gigafactory for Berlin-Brandenburg (GFBB) in Grünheide Brandenburg which was launched in November 2019 and has not yet been approved. The plant is actually scheduled to start production in July 2021. Tesla Brandenburg has experienced first-hand that obstacles in German licensing law slow down the necessary industrial transformation and thus the transport and energy turnaround the official letter says. State and federal politicians had promised all possible support for the Gigafactory. Nevertheless according to research by this newspaper the planned start of production is in danger also because the main permit is still open. Tesla s 10-page letter dated 7 April refers to the Federal Republic s ambitious and stated climate protection goals and the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany: In striking contrast however the German approval and planning processes date from a time when these concerns seemed less urgent the letter says. The result is that the approval process for what is in the end an environmentally friendly project is still the same as for a coal-fired power plant. The process would take too long it is very difficult to make changes even if they are positive overall and the process is fraught with legal risks at every step. The conclusion: This discourages necessary investments in clean energy projects and infrastructure and makes it virtually impossible for Germany to achieve its climate goals. For Tesla Brandenburg this means that 16 months after the application there is still no timetable for issuing a final permit. This is particularly irritating because the fundamental permissibility of the project has been examined and confirmed by several courts and not a single court decision has called into question the fundamental approval of the project. The sender of the letter is Tesla Manufaturing Brandenburg SE the offshoot of the global corporation that is currently building the almost completed Tesla Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg in Grünheide. It is addressed to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg as an Amicus Curie Letter an indirect letter of support for the lawsuit filed by Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH) against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to implement the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany. **Also a political letter** In essence it is also a political letter that the corporation is indirectly placing in the public domain half a year before the Bundestag elections. Tesla Brandenburg is aware of DUH s demands from the public and believes that it is in the interest of the Higher Administrative Court and the parties involved in these proceedings that Tesla Brandenburg shares its experiences with German approval procedures the letter reads. The company has made it its mission to accelerate the global energy transition which is instrumental in combating dangerous climate change. For the Gigafactory in Grünheide which has so far been built on the path of preliminary permits at the financial risk of Tesla of a complete dismantling in case of non-approval the main approval procedure is indeed nearing its end. But it is taking much longer than Tesla expected. It should be completed by the turn of the year. In November 2019 the US company announced its plans to build the Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg a multi-billion dollar production facility for electric vehicles in Grünheide (Mark) as it says in the letter to the OVG. It says the Gigafactory in Germany s capital region is a fundamental cornerstone of Tesla s mission. Tesla hopes to complete construction of the facility and have it operational by July 2021 creating approximately 12 000 jobs on site and an initial projected production capacity of 500 000 electric cars per year. This is a production capacity that will avoid 15 million tonnes of CO2 emissions on Europe s roads every year. **Tesla: Delayed approvals lead to additional greenhouse gas emissions** The letter to the court - in the ongoing approval process - states: Therefore a delay of only one month in the approval of the GFBB for operation and production would result in over one million tonnes of additional CO2 emissions. Tesla s goal of starting production only 20 months after the siting decision is not ambitious. Because of climate change it is simply necessary. But the German approval framework for industrial and infrastructure projects as well as for spatial planning is in direct contrast to the urgency of planning and realising such projects which is necessary because of climate change. The incendiary letter contrasts with the Tesla pace so far at Germany s fastest construction site where the factory is almost in place a year and a half after it was announced. The main reason for this however is primarily Tesla s unprecedented willingness to take financial risks in particular and to go beyond what is required by law. Tesla has invested significant sums without the certainty of whether and when the factory will have its final approval. Specifically Tesla therefore recommends a reform of the permitting law that favours energy transition projects. It is a glaring problem so far that a project that combats climate change like an electric car factory is treated the same as a project that accelerates climate change and exacerbates global warming (like a coal-fired power plant). The current procedures also do not take into account either the global or the trans-regional environmental impacts of a project . The framework he said does not allow authorities to act proportionately and balance specific local concerns with the overall environmental benefits of a project. Tesla has recently come under renewed criticism because of the water consumption of the future Gigafactory but is in a quandary: if the plans are improved in the current process there is a risk that all steps will have to be repeated. This is another reason why Tesla recommends acceleration management a fast track for accompanying approval procedures. The background to this is apparently the problems Tesla is having with the necessary relocation of the future Fangschleuse commuter station closer to the factory and the construction of a new factory motorway exit on the eastern Berlin ring road for which several years have been estimated so far according to the usual mechanisms in the Federal Republic. **Tesla wants different public participation** Tesla which describes the energy turnaround as the company s mission believes that more flexibility in ongoing approval procedures in Germany is indispensable. It is unrealistic to first develop a detailed fully elaborated master plan and then wait for its full approval before having the opportunities to make technically or planning-wise unavoidable adjustments the Tesla letter says: This leads to paralysis uncertainty and delays. Tesla s plea for a change in public participation is also explosive. The background to this is among other things the experience with the public hearing of around 400 Tesla critics in the Erkner town hall where things got very heated. The letter states that the company stands by public participation. However Tesla Brandenburg has also found that some current regulations invite abuse. The event format ultimately rewards volume over substance . The OVG which is now receiving Tesla s letter on the German Environmental Aid s case against the federal government is also likely to be busy again with the Gigafactory. Environmental groups want to file a lawsuit against the project as soon as the main permit is granted. & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) | I remember when the environmentalist group successfully campaigned against nuclear power plant only to find out the department of energy now restarted inefficient COAL power plants using low grade lignite coal. | Unfortunately I was not able to find the letter itself yet. | 203 | 54 | 8,310 |
mmnl5i | 865 | Tesla writes letter to to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg in support of the lawsuit filed by a german environmental protection group against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to combat climate change EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) & #x200B Translated from [this](https: www.tagesspiegel.de berlin deutschland-verfehlt-klimaschutzziele-tesla-schreibt-brandbrief-nach-problemen-um-gigafactory-in-gruenheide 27075742.html) german article from the Tagesspiegel via DeepL: **Title:** Germany misses climate protection targets - Tesla writes fire letter after problems surrounding Gigafactory in Grünheide. **Abstract:** Elon Musk s company is calling for priority approval for energy transition projects in Germany. Also because of bad experiences with the Gigafactory. By Thorsten Metzner . Six months before the federal election the Tesla Group led by Elon Musk is calling for a fundamental reform of the licensing law in Germany - with priority given to sustainable energy transition projects. This is the conclusion of an incendiary letter from Tesla which is available to this newspaper and which is also justified by the concrete experiences with the Gigafactory for Berlin-Brandenburg (GFBB) in Grünheide Brandenburg which was launched in November 2019 and has not yet been approved. The plant is actually scheduled to start production in July 2021. Tesla Brandenburg has experienced first-hand that obstacles in German licensing law slow down the necessary industrial transformation and thus the transport and energy turnaround the official letter says. State and federal politicians had promised all possible support for the Gigafactory. Nevertheless according to research by this newspaper the planned start of production is in danger also because the main permit is still open. Tesla s 10-page letter dated 7 April refers to the Federal Republic s ambitious and stated climate protection goals and the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany: In striking contrast however the German approval and planning processes date from a time when these concerns seemed less urgent the letter says. The result is that the approval process for what is in the end an environmentally friendly project is still the same as for a coal-fired power plant. The process would take too long it is very difficult to make changes even if they are positive overall and the process is fraught with legal risks at every step. The conclusion: This discourages necessary investments in clean energy projects and infrastructure and makes it virtually impossible for Germany to achieve its climate goals. For Tesla Brandenburg this means that 16 months after the application there is still no timetable for issuing a final permit. This is particularly irritating because the fundamental permissibility of the project has been examined and confirmed by several courts and not a single court decision has called into question the fundamental approval of the project. The sender of the letter is Tesla Manufaturing Brandenburg SE the offshoot of the global corporation that is currently building the almost completed Tesla Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg in Grünheide. It is addressed to the Higher Administrative Court of Berlin-Brandenburg as an Amicus Curie Letter an indirect letter of support for the lawsuit filed by Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH) against the Federal Republic of Germany to enforce a concrete government programme to implement the Paris Climate Agreement signed by Germany. **Also a political letter** In essence it is also a political letter that the corporation is indirectly placing in the public domain half a year before the Bundestag elections. Tesla Brandenburg is aware of DUH s demands from the public and believes that it is in the interest of the Higher Administrative Court and the parties involved in these proceedings that Tesla Brandenburg shares its experiences with German approval procedures the letter reads. The company has made it its mission to accelerate the global energy transition which is instrumental in combating dangerous climate change. For the Gigafactory in Grünheide which has so far been built on the path of preliminary permits at the financial risk of Tesla of a complete dismantling in case of non-approval the main approval procedure is indeed nearing its end. But it is taking much longer than Tesla expected. It should be completed by the turn of the year. In November 2019 the US company announced its plans to build the Gigafactory Berlin-Brandenburg a multi-billion dollar production facility for electric vehicles in Grünheide (Mark) as it says in the letter to the OVG. It says the Gigafactory in Germany s capital region is a fundamental cornerstone of Tesla s mission. Tesla hopes to complete construction of the facility and have it operational by July 2021 creating approximately 12 000 jobs on site and an initial projected production capacity of 500 000 electric cars per year. This is a production capacity that will avoid 15 million tonnes of CO2 emissions on Europe s roads every year. **Tesla: Delayed approvals lead to additional greenhouse gas emissions** The letter to the court - in the ongoing approval process - states: Therefore a delay of only one month in the approval of the GFBB for operation and production would result in over one million tonnes of additional CO2 emissions. Tesla s goal of starting production only 20 months after the siting decision is not ambitious. Because of climate change it is simply necessary. But the German approval framework for industrial and infrastructure projects as well as for spatial planning is in direct contrast to the urgency of planning and realising such projects which is necessary because of climate change. The incendiary letter contrasts with the Tesla pace so far at Germany s fastest construction site where the factory is almost in place a year and a half after it was announced. The main reason for this however is primarily Tesla s unprecedented willingness to take financial risks in particular and to go beyond what is required by law. Tesla has invested significant sums without the certainty of whether and when the factory will have its final approval. Specifically Tesla therefore recommends a reform of the permitting law that favours energy transition projects. It is a glaring problem so far that a project that combats climate change like an electric car factory is treated the same as a project that accelerates climate change and exacerbates global warming (like a coal-fired power plant). The current procedures also do not take into account either the global or the trans-regional environmental impacts of a project . The framework he said does not allow authorities to act proportionately and balance specific local concerns with the overall environmental benefits of a project. Tesla has recently come under renewed criticism because of the water consumption of the future Gigafactory but is in a quandary: if the plans are improved in the current process there is a risk that all steps will have to be repeated. This is another reason why Tesla recommends acceleration management a fast track for accompanying approval procedures. The background to this is apparently the problems Tesla is having with the necessary relocation of the future Fangschleuse commuter station closer to the factory and the construction of a new factory motorway exit on the eastern Berlin ring road for which several years have been estimated so far according to the usual mechanisms in the Federal Republic. **Tesla wants different public participation** Tesla which describes the energy turnaround as the company s mission believes that more flexibility in ongoing approval procedures in Germany is indispensable. It is unrealistic to first develop a detailed fully elaborated master plan and then wait for its full approval before having the opportunities to make technically or planning-wise unavoidable adjustments the Tesla letter says: This leads to paralysis uncertainty and delays. Tesla s plea for a change in public participation is also explosive. The background to this is among other things the experience with the public hearing of around 400 Tesla critics in the Erkner town hall where things got very heated. The letter states that the company stands by public participation. However Tesla Brandenburg has also found that some current regulations invite abuse. The event format ultimately rewards volume over substance . The OVG which is now receiving Tesla s letter on the German Environmental Aid s case against the federal government is also likely to be busy again with the Gigafactory. Environmental groups want to file a lawsuit against the project as soon as the main permit is granted. & #x200B EDIT: Thanks to u darookee I translated the complete letter down in [this commment](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments mmnl5i tesla_writes_letter_to_to_the_higher gttschb?utm_source=share& utm_medium=web2x& context=3) | Hehee... welcome to bureaucracy hell we invented that sh\\*t. Mind you: it took us 14 years - not to build an airport - but to erect a new terminal building on an otherwise complete runway. In the capital. With heavy political backing and support. And sh\\*tloads of money at hand. Good luck Elon. | Tl dr? | 84 | 17 | 8,311 |
mmxwdm | 169 | Model Y 7 seater comes with heated seats in ALL seats (controlled by app as of now) Sorry if this is a repost but I was watching this video of Model Y review (not mine) and found out that model Y 3rd row seats DO have heated seats (controlled by mobile app only atm). But it s not shown on the screen yet. I guess this will be enabled in the next couple of updates. Anyways just wanted to share for those who are wondering & #x200B [https: youtu.be 0Z-co2D0Vag?t=696](https: youtu.be 0Z-co2D0Vag?t=696) | I ve got the seven-seater and I m not convinced they re actually heated. I “turned one on” and let it go for a while and it felt no warmer than the other seat. | Happy butt happy face 😂 👍 | 54 | 3 | 8,312 |
mmxwdm | 169 | Model Y 7 seater comes with heated seats in ALL seats (controlled by app as of now) Sorry if this is a repost but I was watching this video of Model Y review (not mine) and found out that model Y 3rd row seats DO have heated seats (controlled by mobile app only atm). But it s not shown on the screen yet. I guess this will be enabled in the next couple of updates. Anyways just wanted to share for those who are wondering & #x200B [https: youtu.be 0Z-co2D0Vag?t=696](https: youtu.be 0Z-co2D0Vag?t=696) | It s a glitch in the app it seems. It does not actually heat the seat | Happy butt happy face 😂 👍 | 38 | 3 | 8,313 |
mofkfn | 152 | PSA: the 2021 Model 3 is way quieter I totaled my 2018 P3D a while back and had to wait months for a replacement. The good news is that I got the one with heated steering wheel and other updated goodies and this car is way quieter than even my wife s 18”-wheel RWD long range even with the 20” wheels and after I added sport coilovers (which make the ride a bit harsher but better). Whether or not it is just the double paned windows I have no idea but I thought I d share. My only gripe is that the Pirelli P-Zero tires which are amazingly grippy are going to be bald way earlier than the 20” Michelins which I d rather have for that reason. P-Zeros have an infamously poor tread wear rating Edit: if anyone in the Bay Area wants to buy überturbine wheels in perfect condition I swapped them out and am looking to sell Edit: a reminder that I m comparing the first out-of-the-factory Model 3 RWD to a 2021 so it s possible this improvement happened somewhere earlier and not in the 2021 model. Also this is obviously a limited comparison | Let me be happy. – 2018 Model 3 Owner | I m so torn if to trade in my model 3 or just keep it. It s 2018 with super low miles and only two years left to pay but I hate the road noise and all the squeaks specially when is cold. | 214 | 12 | 8,314 |
mofkfn | 152 | PSA: the 2021 Model 3 is way quieter I totaled my 2018 P3D a while back and had to wait months for a replacement. The good news is that I got the one with heated steering wheel and other updated goodies and this car is way quieter than even my wife s 18”-wheel RWD long range even with the 20” wheels and after I added sport coilovers (which make the ride a bit harsher but better). Whether or not it is just the double paned windows I have no idea but I thought I d share. My only gripe is that the Pirelli P-Zero tires which are amazingly grippy are going to be bald way earlier than the 20” Michelins which I d rather have for that reason. P-Zeros have an infamously poor tread wear rating Edit: if anyone in the Bay Area wants to buy überturbine wheels in perfect condition I swapped them out and am looking to sell Edit: a reminder that I m comparing the first out-of-the-factory Model 3 RWD to a 2021 so it s possible this improvement happened somewhere earlier and not in the 2021 model. Also this is obviously a limited comparison | Let me be happy. – 2018 Model 3 Owner | So much subjectivity. I ve heard nobody say the new double-pane system is noticeably quieter and the Pirellis are universally regarded as being inferior tires to the Michelins Pilot Sport 4S both in terms of tread-wear and grip. Never know what to believe on the intertubes! | 214 | 16 | 8,315 |
mofkfn | 152 | PSA: the 2021 Model 3 is way quieter I totaled my 2018 P3D a while back and had to wait months for a replacement. The good news is that I got the one with heated steering wheel and other updated goodies and this car is way quieter than even my wife s 18”-wheel RWD long range even with the 20” wheels and after I added sport coilovers (which make the ride a bit harsher but better). Whether or not it is just the double paned windows I have no idea but I thought I d share. My only gripe is that the Pirelli P-Zero tires which are amazingly grippy are going to be bald way earlier than the 20” Michelins which I d rather have for that reason. P-Zeros have an infamously poor tread wear rating Edit: if anyone in the Bay Area wants to buy überturbine wheels in perfect condition I swapped them out and am looking to sell Edit: a reminder that I m comparing the first out-of-the-factory Model 3 RWD to a 2021 so it s possible this improvement happened somewhere earlier and not in the 2021 model. Also this is obviously a limited comparison | Let me be happy. – 2018 Model 3 Owner | Probably my biggest complaint with my late 2018 Model 3 is that the ride is a little harsh. How is the ride in the 2021 in comparison? | 214 | 17 | 8,316 |
mp8vw6 | 59 | Tesla Ownership Reality & #x200B So I m looking to purchase a Model 3 this year been spending time on forums and this reddit for a while now. I always hear oh Tesla customer satisfaction rates super high. However one thing I ve seen consistently online with even now are comments complaining about customer service long lead times on resolving issues and how it s essentially a norm. The inconsistent build quality or long time to produce the car from order date alright. However older cars having screen software issues (which is the place where ALL controls are) and the apparently poor way Tesla handles the problems concern me. I m not stranger to car communities and the vocal minority blowing up small issues but this seems to be more than just that. Legacy automaker dealerships vehicles are far from perfect but with my alternative choices I know I m able to get the parts and even replace it myself at least to try to keep downtime low. The car would be for my Significant other so this would be important for me. I m sure this topic has been discussed a lot but with the loss of the main Tesla forum I m hoping to start a new discussion and get more recent opinions feedback on this. The above issue is my main reservation on purchasing one. & #x200B Edit: The panels gaps are the least of my concern that s a thing across all cars but it s just mentioned so often lols. I m also located in CA so I should have more service centers here seems some bad service expieriences may be more endemic to certain regions. | Just anecdotal but I ve had my 2013 model S for 20 months. Had a few minor issues and the West Palm Beach FL service center was awesome (once) and the Tucson AZ service center has been outstanding (4-5 times). Most recently I need a new HV battery. Service center called ME to tell me to bring it right away gave me a Loaner while they waited for the parts replaced the 12v battery as well for free and did 2-3 other items I asked for (not warranty) and didn t charge me. Literally the best service I ve ever received from any car company. Again I know some people have issues but remember the happy people rarely post. | Great car but if there is a problem which unfortunately is more common than it should be early on in the ownership period you ll more than likely be waiting a long time to get it sorted. The service centres are just swamped. | 92 | 6 | 8,317 |
mp8vw6 | 59 | Tesla Ownership Reality & #x200B So I m looking to purchase a Model 3 this year been spending time on forums and this reddit for a while now. I always hear oh Tesla customer satisfaction rates super high. However one thing I ve seen consistently online with even now are comments complaining about customer service long lead times on resolving issues and how it s essentially a norm. The inconsistent build quality or long time to produce the car from order date alright. However older cars having screen software issues (which is the place where ALL controls are) and the apparently poor way Tesla handles the problems concern me. I m not stranger to car communities and the vocal minority blowing up small issues but this seems to be more than just that. Legacy automaker dealerships vehicles are far from perfect but with my alternative choices I know I m able to get the parts and even replace it myself at least to try to keep downtime low. The car would be for my Significant other so this would be important for me. I m sure this topic has been discussed a lot but with the loss of the main Tesla forum I m hoping to start a new discussion and get more recent opinions feedback on this. The above issue is my main reservation on purchasing one. & #x200B Edit: The panels gaps are the least of my concern that s a thing across all cars but it s just mentioned so often lols. I m also located in CA so I should have more service centers here seems some bad service expieriences may be more endemic to certain regions. | It s anecdotal but I ve had my Model 3 for over 3 years. Absolutely no problems with it (knock on wood). The only service I ve had was an upgrade to the FSD computer (free when I bought FSD) and an air filter replacement. That was accomplished quickly and I got a Model S loaner for the day. | Great car but if there is a problem which unfortunately is more common than it should be early on in the ownership period you ll more than likely be waiting a long time to get it sorted. The service centres are just swamped. | 40 | 6 | 8,318 |
mpccu2 | 420 | The tale of the 7 minute test drive I impulse bought a M3 some time ago without having ever been inside one. So my husband and I decided it was smart to test drive it to confirm our decision. We re on the way and receive a call: “The vehicle is on a test drive right now. There is a wait” Oh no worries. We can wait. *What about the people that confirmed the next time slot though?* We have arrived. We wait patiently in the parking lot. 30 minutes later .. There! A wonderful specimen of a car pulls in. 5 minutes later.. Hmm .. the person inside has not left the car. 5 minutes later.. They get out. Only now they can t get away from the car. They pace around it. Open frunk. Close frunk. Open frunk. Close. Finally they say their goodbyes and make their way inside the dealership. I tell my husband we probably have to wait a while more because they ll clean the car. I m wrong. Nice man takes us straight to the car. He politely opens the door contraption for me. I sink my butt into the vegan leather chair. Ooohh its so soft so warm. “... regenerative breaking. You can also adjust the steering. You have 10 minutes so if you could get the car back to me at 11.50?” Amazed and captivated with the car we meekly comply. The man hurriedly leaves. Then I realize the time .. its 11:42 ..?! The seat heaters are at max. Oh that s why my booty is hot. The mirrors are wonky. Slight panic. “F it. We have to go!” WOW. This car drives amazingly. So smooth. My husbands makes a janky U turn getting used to the breaks. Its amazing. Music. Let s put on some Ed Sheeran. Amazing sound. My phone charging just like that. Wow. DAMN. Traffic. Looks like we re making a U turn on the same road to get back on time. We savor our last minutes with the car. We park its 11:49. That went by in a flash. The sliver of “wow” was enough to confirm that we made the right decision though. We want more! Back to our gas guzzling peasant car. Hopefully the next guests had a full experience! | > Back to our gas guzzling peasant car That about sums up the Tesla test driving experience. | I d have taken it longer. I guess they could call the cops but that s doubtful. | 335 | 20 | 8,319 |
mpccu2 | 420 | The tale of the 7 minute test drive I impulse bought a M3 some time ago without having ever been inside one. So my husband and I decided it was smart to test drive it to confirm our decision. We re on the way and receive a call: “The vehicle is on a test drive right now. There is a wait” Oh no worries. We can wait. *What about the people that confirmed the next time slot though?* We have arrived. We wait patiently in the parking lot. 30 minutes later .. There! A wonderful specimen of a car pulls in. 5 minutes later.. Hmm .. the person inside has not left the car. 5 minutes later.. They get out. Only now they can t get away from the car. They pace around it. Open frunk. Close frunk. Open frunk. Close. Finally they say their goodbyes and make their way inside the dealership. I tell my husband we probably have to wait a while more because they ll clean the car. I m wrong. Nice man takes us straight to the car. He politely opens the door contraption for me. I sink my butt into the vegan leather chair. Ooohh its so soft so warm. “... regenerative breaking. You can also adjust the steering. You have 10 minutes so if you could get the car back to me at 11.50?” Amazed and captivated with the car we meekly comply. The man hurriedly leaves. Then I realize the time .. its 11:42 ..?! The seat heaters are at max. Oh that s why my booty is hot. The mirrors are wonky. Slight panic. “F it. We have to go!” WOW. This car drives amazingly. So smooth. My husbands makes a janky U turn getting used to the breaks. Its amazing. Music. Let s put on some Ed Sheeran. Amazing sound. My phone charging just like that. Wow. DAMN. Traffic. Looks like we re making a U turn on the same road to get back on time. We savor our last minutes with the car. We park its 11:49. That went by in a flash. The sliver of “wow” was enough to confirm that we made the right decision though. We want more! Back to our gas guzzling peasant car. Hopefully the next guests had a full experience! | Yikes I was given 30min when I had a scheduled test drive. | I d have taken it longer. I guess they could call the cops but that s doubtful. | 106 | 20 | 8,320 |
mpdykx | 22 | Is FSD at anything less than level 5 actually helpful outside of highways? I think all the FSD beta videos are impressive but my takeaway is always the same: People are more concentrated on-edge driving with FSD than they would be without FSD. They are just waiting to grab the wheel. I was testing a Y recently and while I think I liked FSD I think it was less work and easier to just drive myself in most cases. I always had to think about what it *might* do or what it seemed like it was about to do. In reality I could have just held the wheel myself and used the same amount of effort. Simple adaptive cruise control would have just been the best experience. Regardless of FSD activated or not I couldn t really pay any less attention. In fact I probably had to pay more attention since my feet weren t on the pedal and my reaction time would be slower. And I did in fact have to take over twice anyway. So my thought is this: On the highway or straight long roads with no traffic it s nice. In suburban or city areas with traffic medians etc anything less than having no steering wheel is really no better than simply adaptive cruise. Maybe it let s you dick around on your phone a little bit more often but it really does demand more brain power than just driving yourself. | If you use it enough you get used to which scenarios are likely to fail and which ones it handles fine. Instead of taking handling the minutia you take sort of a big picture assessment and just take over when there s an issue or when there s likely to be an issue. The spot on the road where it tends to take the turn lane by accident or if there s a line of cars at the light downhill and you prefer slowing down sooner than the car would do. It becomes second nature after a while. It s a little like when you learn to drive initially you have to watch out for everything all the time always. But then you learn which cars at crossroads are going a little too fast for comfort the type of driving where maybe don t change lanes until that one car gets ahead of you because you notice they change lanes suddenly and without a blinker. | The goal for FSD is that you won t have to pay complete attention. Not there today but that s the goal. Hopefully over the next couple years you ll be able to have the car drive you to work and you ll only need to take over when an accident has you drive over a median or something like that. It s taking time but that s the goal. If you have a long commute you ll likely prefer and be safer even having to just pay attention to what is beyond the limitations of FSD than everything on the road. | 77 | 4 | 8,321 |
mpdykx | 22 | Is FSD at anything less than level 5 actually helpful outside of highways? I think all the FSD beta videos are impressive but my takeaway is always the same: People are more concentrated on-edge driving with FSD than they would be without FSD. They are just waiting to grab the wheel. I was testing a Y recently and while I think I liked FSD I think it was less work and easier to just drive myself in most cases. I always had to think about what it *might* do or what it seemed like it was about to do. In reality I could have just held the wheel myself and used the same amount of effort. Simple adaptive cruise control would have just been the best experience. Regardless of FSD activated or not I couldn t really pay any less attention. In fact I probably had to pay more attention since my feet weren t on the pedal and my reaction time would be slower. And I did in fact have to take over twice anyway. So my thought is this: On the highway or straight long roads with no traffic it s nice. In suburban or city areas with traffic medians etc anything less than having no steering wheel is really no better than simply adaptive cruise. Maybe it let s you dick around on your phone a little bit more often but it really does demand more brain power than just driving yourself. | If you use it enough you get used to which scenarios are likely to fail and which ones it handles fine. Instead of taking handling the minutia you take sort of a big picture assessment and just take over when there s an issue or when there s likely to be an issue. The spot on the road where it tends to take the turn lane by accident or if there s a line of cars at the light downhill and you prefer slowing down sooner than the car would do. It becomes second nature after a while. It s a little like when you learn to drive initially you have to watch out for everything all the time always. But then you learn which cars at crossroads are going a little too fast for comfort the type of driving where maybe don t change lanes until that one car gets ahead of you because you notice they change lanes suddenly and without a blinker. | It s weird . You think it s not doing much and just driving is easier . you use it more and more. Then you get in a car without it and you quickly realize how helpful it is. | 77 | 7 | 8,322 |
mpdykx | 22 | Is FSD at anything less than level 5 actually helpful outside of highways? I think all the FSD beta videos are impressive but my takeaway is always the same: People are more concentrated on-edge driving with FSD than they would be without FSD. They are just waiting to grab the wheel. I was testing a Y recently and while I think I liked FSD I think it was less work and easier to just drive myself in most cases. I always had to think about what it *might* do or what it seemed like it was about to do. In reality I could have just held the wheel myself and used the same amount of effort. Simple adaptive cruise control would have just been the best experience. Regardless of FSD activated or not I couldn t really pay any less attention. In fact I probably had to pay more attention since my feet weren t on the pedal and my reaction time would be slower. And I did in fact have to take over twice anyway. So my thought is this: On the highway or straight long roads with no traffic it s nice. In suburban or city areas with traffic medians etc anything less than having no steering wheel is really no better than simply adaptive cruise. Maybe it let s you dick around on your phone a little bit more often but it really does demand more brain power than just driving yourself. | If you use it enough you get used to which scenarios are likely to fail and which ones it handles fine. Instead of taking handling the minutia you take sort of a big picture assessment and just take over when there s an issue or when there s likely to be an issue. The spot on the road where it tends to take the turn lane by accident or if there s a line of cars at the light downhill and you prefer slowing down sooner than the car would do. It becomes second nature after a while. It s a little like when you learn to drive initially you have to watch out for everything all the time always. But then you learn which cars at crossroads are going a little too fast for comfort the type of driving where maybe don t change lanes until that one car gets ahead of you because you notice they change lanes suddenly and without a blinker. | I would like auto lane changing and no pestering to jiggle the wheel every 10 seconds and I would be happy. | 77 | 32 | 8,323 |
mpnilg | 23 | Model 3 2021 - Long Range - Acceleration Boost upgrade Does the acceleration boost upgrade on a model 3 2021 long range reduce the autonomy and effectively bring the car estimated driving range close to the performance edition ? or does it bring simply help with faster start to 60mph acceleration while still keeping a better overall autonomy than the performance would. | Autonomy does not mean what you think it does. | I ve had it for over a year. No difference in average consumption before and after when corrected for outdoor temperature. | 82 | 13 | 8,324 |
mpymod | 1,565 | So I drove a Tesla for the first time I m going to be downvoted to oblivion but I thought I d share my experience here anyway because why not. For some background: my current (ICE) car is approaching the ripe age of 11 years (we bought it new and it s still going strong). I d like my next car to be an EV and of course Tesla is the first brand I thought about. An ER Model 3 costs 5x times what I paid for my current car. I would never even consider paying that for a regular car but Teslas are... Teslas. I ve watched all the videos read all the reviews. Sure QA is not great but the tech looks so sweet and the future is shining. Last weekend I had a trip down to Canberra (3 hours away) and decided to rent a Model 3 through Evee (Airbnb for EVs in Australia basically). The owner was a top bloke and took a whole hour to give be a pretty comprehensive crash course (no pun intended more on that later). Alright that s how I got my hands on a Tesla for the first time. The good: * the dumb auto-pilot (lane keeping and smart cruise control) are absolutely amazing on the highway. It was the most relaxed I ever felt driving * the trip planning (in terms of charging stops) works really well and helped a lot with range anxiety. The supercharging is convenient and fairly quick. I had some trouble getting the cable out of the thing but someone helped me out * which takes me to the community: Tesla drivers seem to be a little subculture of their own and super friendly. I also got lots of approving nods whenever I got out of the car almost exclusively from men (I m also a man). It was nice Why I m now seriously reconsidering getting a Tesla: * the smart FSD is pretty shit. From constantly asking me to change lanes for no good reason to taking highway exits in a way that woke up everyone in the car it s not even close to being useful * the auto-parking caused the first damage to a car I was ever responsible for in 20 years of driving. I was reverse parking in an underground garage saw the P and went for it. It turns out big-brain Tesla was trying to park between 2 cars disregarding the massive concrete pillar right next to the spot I was getting into. I braked as soon as I realised what was going to happen but it was too late * the relatively small scratch dent set me back A$3 000 which is a fuck load of money. Apparently it will also take the owner ages to get fixed which sucks * back to the first point I don t love Elon s selling the dream the future is just around the corner sales pitch. I feel the FOMO as much as the next monkey-brained person but fuck that tactic * finally competition is heating up from people who make decent cars for a living. Personally I have my eye on the Ioniq 5 and the ID.4. I don t care much for the performance part: I m a chill mode kind of driver and the best part of driving a Tesla was when I didn t have to do any driving. If other brands do the highway driving part half-decently and don t charge an arm and a leg for repairs I m in I m not discarding getting a Tesla but I m definitely less spell-bound. It s really hard to find balanced views online: it s either fanatics or naysayers. I m neither. Thank you for your time. | From someone who has a Model 3 without FSD and just uses it as a car and not as Elon s future self-driving robotaxi it s a great car. I definitely agree on the sales pitch and beta-ness of those extra features. Tesla seems so focused on completing the checkboxes for FSD features that they aren t going back and spending time refining the features they already have. | If you want a car with self driving Tesla will most likely be the first ones to get there and they re already ahead of the competition in the full self driving race. Every time you drive a Tesla you re helping to train the artificial intelligence and Tesla already has so many cars on the road that can gather data to develop better AI that it s hard to believe anyone else will get there first. | 668 | 9 | 8,325 |
mpymod | 1,565 | So I drove a Tesla for the first time I m going to be downvoted to oblivion but I thought I d share my experience here anyway because why not. For some background: my current (ICE) car is approaching the ripe age of 11 years (we bought it new and it s still going strong). I d like my next car to be an EV and of course Tesla is the first brand I thought about. An ER Model 3 costs 5x times what I paid for my current car. I would never even consider paying that for a regular car but Teslas are... Teslas. I ve watched all the videos read all the reviews. Sure QA is not great but the tech looks so sweet and the future is shining. Last weekend I had a trip down to Canberra (3 hours away) and decided to rent a Model 3 through Evee (Airbnb for EVs in Australia basically). The owner was a top bloke and took a whole hour to give be a pretty comprehensive crash course (no pun intended more on that later). Alright that s how I got my hands on a Tesla for the first time. The good: * the dumb auto-pilot (lane keeping and smart cruise control) are absolutely amazing on the highway. It was the most relaxed I ever felt driving * the trip planning (in terms of charging stops) works really well and helped a lot with range anxiety. The supercharging is convenient and fairly quick. I had some trouble getting the cable out of the thing but someone helped me out * which takes me to the community: Tesla drivers seem to be a little subculture of their own and super friendly. I also got lots of approving nods whenever I got out of the car almost exclusively from men (I m also a man). It was nice Why I m now seriously reconsidering getting a Tesla: * the smart FSD is pretty shit. From constantly asking me to change lanes for no good reason to taking highway exits in a way that woke up everyone in the car it s not even close to being useful * the auto-parking caused the first damage to a car I was ever responsible for in 20 years of driving. I was reverse parking in an underground garage saw the P and went for it. It turns out big-brain Tesla was trying to park between 2 cars disregarding the massive concrete pillar right next to the spot I was getting into. I braked as soon as I realised what was going to happen but it was too late * the relatively small scratch dent set me back A$3 000 which is a fuck load of money. Apparently it will also take the owner ages to get fixed which sucks * back to the first point I don t love Elon s selling the dream the future is just around the corner sales pitch. I feel the FOMO as much as the next monkey-brained person but fuck that tactic * finally competition is heating up from people who make decent cars for a living. Personally I have my eye on the Ioniq 5 and the ID.4. I don t care much for the performance part: I m a chill mode kind of driver and the best part of driving a Tesla was when I didn t have to do any driving. If other brands do the highway driving part half-decently and don t charge an arm and a leg for repairs I m in I m not discarding getting a Tesla but I m definitely less spell-bound. It s really hard to find balanced views online: it s either fanatics or naysayers. I m neither. Thank you for your time. | From someone who has a Model 3 without FSD and just uses it as a car and not as Elon s future self-driving robotaxi it s a great car. I definitely agree on the sales pitch and beta-ness of those extra features. Tesla seems so focused on completing the checkboxes for FSD features that they aren t going back and spending time refining the features they already have. | No I definitely agree with you there are really some massive problems with tesla going forward with their cars but as you said it s so popular nowadays. | 668 | 17 | 8,326 |
mpymod | 1,565 | So I drove a Tesla for the first time I m going to be downvoted to oblivion but I thought I d share my experience here anyway because why not. For some background: my current (ICE) car is approaching the ripe age of 11 years (we bought it new and it s still going strong). I d like my next car to be an EV and of course Tesla is the first brand I thought about. An ER Model 3 costs 5x times what I paid for my current car. I would never even consider paying that for a regular car but Teslas are... Teslas. I ve watched all the videos read all the reviews. Sure QA is not great but the tech looks so sweet and the future is shining. Last weekend I had a trip down to Canberra (3 hours away) and decided to rent a Model 3 through Evee (Airbnb for EVs in Australia basically). The owner was a top bloke and took a whole hour to give be a pretty comprehensive crash course (no pun intended more on that later). Alright that s how I got my hands on a Tesla for the first time. The good: * the dumb auto-pilot (lane keeping and smart cruise control) are absolutely amazing on the highway. It was the most relaxed I ever felt driving * the trip planning (in terms of charging stops) works really well and helped a lot with range anxiety. The supercharging is convenient and fairly quick. I had some trouble getting the cable out of the thing but someone helped me out * which takes me to the community: Tesla drivers seem to be a little subculture of their own and super friendly. I also got lots of approving nods whenever I got out of the car almost exclusively from men (I m also a man). It was nice Why I m now seriously reconsidering getting a Tesla: * the smart FSD is pretty shit. From constantly asking me to change lanes for no good reason to taking highway exits in a way that woke up everyone in the car it s not even close to being useful * the auto-parking caused the first damage to a car I was ever responsible for in 20 years of driving. I was reverse parking in an underground garage saw the P and went for it. It turns out big-brain Tesla was trying to park between 2 cars disregarding the massive concrete pillar right next to the spot I was getting into. I braked as soon as I realised what was going to happen but it was too late * the relatively small scratch dent set me back A$3 000 which is a fuck load of money. Apparently it will also take the owner ages to get fixed which sucks * back to the first point I don t love Elon s selling the dream the future is just around the corner sales pitch. I feel the FOMO as much as the next monkey-brained person but fuck that tactic * finally competition is heating up from people who make decent cars for a living. Personally I have my eye on the Ioniq 5 and the ID.4. I don t care much for the performance part: I m a chill mode kind of driver and the best part of driving a Tesla was when I didn t have to do any driving. If other brands do the highway driving part half-decently and don t charge an arm and a leg for repairs I m in I m not discarding getting a Tesla but I m definitely less spell-bound. It s really hard to find balanced views online: it s either fanatics or naysayers. I m neither. Thank you for your time. | From someone who has a Model 3 without FSD and just uses it as a car and not as Elon s future self-driving robotaxi it s a great car. I definitely agree on the sales pitch and beta-ness of those extra features. Tesla seems so focused on completing the checkboxes for FSD features that they aren t going back and spending time refining the features they already have. | I won t downvote. I ll give my opinions instead and work to answer any questions you have. I don t think you ll get much argument here about the repair costs or auto park. As for the navigate on autopilot (what you call smart FSD) a couple of things will be mentioned: 1) It s quite configurable. It sounds like yours was set to one of the more aggressive lane-changing modes (based on how much slower the car in front of you is going than your set speed). There s one called mad max for a reason haha. This is configurable to be much less active all the way down to zero lane changes that aren t directly necessary to follow your route. It s a driving style preference so no one can tell the car how you like to be driven around better than you. 2) Some offramps interchanges can be a bit less than smooth but this isn t exactly the norm. You didn t mention specifics beyond waking people up so I m guessing it changed speeds rapidly jerkily. This is somewhat common (though usually I don t carry sleeping passengers to compare to your experience) but it s easily avoidable by changing the speed yourself a bit ahead of time with a scroll wheel flick or two which leads well into point 3. 3) The system becomes more enjoyable to use over time when you use it more because you will get a feel for its quirks and can predict when it might act imperfectly. It becomes less of an Ooh no what the heck it did that badly and more of a This thing ahead looks like it might not handle it well. Let me take over for 5-20 seconds and then re-engage and have no issues otherwise & #x200B RE your other picks for EVs I don t see much information online about the Ioniq 5 but from the little that is available you ll be getting a fair bit less car for the money. That being said Hyundai Kia make pretty good EVs (after they fix them exploding) and a Kona or similar would have been one of my second or third choices if I didn t get my model 3 There s enough about the ID4 by now to say that while the price might be right (250 mi range for $40-45k vs 326mi for $50k at Tesla) the user experience is questionable at best. Hopefully you watch some reviews. IMO the massive overuse of capacitive buttons even for little things like the windows is a pretty big design flaw. | 668 | 18 | 8,327 |
mq3j4h | 53 | Would a Tesla be a good choice for me? *EDIT: THANK YOU FOR ALL THE REPLIES! I have read each one but there are so many I can t comment on all of them. I have received a lot of advice and I understand my situation is not the best to purchase a car right now. You didn t just help me you have helped others who are in the same situation as me. Thank you again everyone! Hi everyone. I just drove my friends M3 LR all weekend and fell in love. I currently own a 2002 Toyota Avalon and want to drive it into the ground before buying a new car but I just want to know what you guys think before doing something. I live in an apartment which has no charging stations but there s a charging station a few miles away from me and a supercharging station a little bit further. I make around $46k year before taxes and could potentially make $62k year before taxes come august. I have ZERO debt. No college loans no credit card debt. I live in Southern California so there s that bill that got passed that in a few years all NEW cars will have to be electric. Knowing my car I probably have a few years left until it s done so it may be good timing. I have never bought a new car all my cars we hand-me-downs that I paid for but obviously never had to take out a loan or pay monthly payments on it. Would it be stupid to get a Tesla M3 LR as my next car with my current circumstances? In comparison I was looking at a new Honda Civic or Accord as my next car. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! | You definitely shouldn t buy anything until you get that raise. | If you get LR definitely get used (based on your income) | 181 | 9 | 8,328 |
mq3j4h | 53 | Would a Tesla be a good choice for me? *EDIT: THANK YOU FOR ALL THE REPLIES! I have read each one but there are so many I can t comment on all of them. I have received a lot of advice and I understand my situation is not the best to purchase a car right now. You didn t just help me you have helped others who are in the same situation as me. Thank you again everyone! Hi everyone. I just drove my friends M3 LR all weekend and fell in love. I currently own a 2002 Toyota Avalon and want to drive it into the ground before buying a new car but I just want to know what you guys think before doing something. I live in an apartment which has no charging stations but there s a charging station a few miles away from me and a supercharging station a little bit further. I make around $46k year before taxes and could potentially make $62k year before taxes come august. I have ZERO debt. No college loans no credit card debt. I live in Southern California so there s that bill that got passed that in a few years all NEW cars will have to be electric. Knowing my car I probably have a few years left until it s done so it may be good timing. I have never bought a new car all my cars we hand-me-downs that I paid for but obviously never had to take out a loan or pay monthly payments on it. Would it be stupid to get a Tesla M3 LR as my next car with my current circumstances? In comparison I was looking at a new Honda Civic or Accord as my next car. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! | By continuing to drive your Avalon until the cost of repairs becomes an issue you are: - Giving time for many more manufacturers to ring a wide range of electric vehicles to market - Giving yourself a chance to save a bunch of money (if you put what you would be paying on a new loan each month into a special savings account) so when you do buy an EV you know you can afford it - Open up the possibility of new models (Tesla Model 2) or improved Model 3 Y Buying a new Tesla today is going to stretch you a little financially so decide are you willing to wait 2 or 3 years and be sensible or is your desire so strong you have to buy now. Good luck with whichever choice you make! | If you get LR definitely get used (based on your income) | 65 | 9 | 8,329 |
mq3j4h | 53 | Would a Tesla be a good choice for me? *EDIT: THANK YOU FOR ALL THE REPLIES! I have read each one but there are so many I can t comment on all of them. I have received a lot of advice and I understand my situation is not the best to purchase a car right now. You didn t just help me you have helped others who are in the same situation as me. Thank you again everyone! Hi everyone. I just drove my friends M3 LR all weekend and fell in love. I currently own a 2002 Toyota Avalon and want to drive it into the ground before buying a new car but I just want to know what you guys think before doing something. I live in an apartment which has no charging stations but there s a charging station a few miles away from me and a supercharging station a little bit further. I make around $46k year before taxes and could potentially make $62k year before taxes come august. I have ZERO debt. No college loans no credit card debt. I live in Southern California so there s that bill that got passed that in a few years all NEW cars will have to be electric. Knowing my car I probably have a few years left until it s done so it may be good timing. I have never bought a new car all my cars we hand-me-downs that I paid for but obviously never had to take out a loan or pay monthly payments on it. Would it be stupid to get a Tesla M3 LR as my next car with my current circumstances? In comparison I was looking at a new Honda Civic or Accord as my next car. Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! | By continuing to drive your Avalon until the cost of repairs becomes an issue you are: - Giving time for many more manufacturers to ring a wide range of electric vehicles to market - Giving yourself a chance to save a bunch of money (if you put what you would be paying on a new loan each month into a special savings account) so when you do buy an EV you know you can afford it - Open up the possibility of new models (Tesla Model 2) or improved Model 3 Y Buying a new Tesla today is going to stretch you a little financially so decide are you willing to wait 2 or 3 years and be sensible or is your desire so strong you have to buy now. Good luck with whichever choice you make! | I would ask this question in r personalfinance and include details of your budget. Knowing your annual salary doesn t really tell us anything because you could be spending it all and have no budget room for a car. Also check the wiki over there. | 65 | 24 | 8,330 |
mq8ddh | 32 | Where would YOU like to see Tesla in 5 years? I m currently saving up to purchase my dream car the Tesla Model Y Performance. But seeing as I m about 2 years away from realizing that goal I got to thinking about the ways their lineup may improve in the coming years. By 5 years from now we should have the Cybertruck the Semi the Roadster the ATV(?) and maybe even the model 2. What new features (or entirely new products) would you like to see from Tesla in 5 years time? | Honestly I would just like to see tesla having the best customer service in the industry. They have the best products already. If they can get their customer service to be just as good they will be unstoppable. Their future product lines are already setting themselves up to succeed product wise. If they don t expand their service and customer relations sides the issues people have today are going to exponentially grow. | I currently have a long range Y. Like you said I would like to see the model 2 (or cheaper model around 20k). I hope that vehicle comes in with a relatively affordable price. (38 490 is still a lot of money) and many people can t afford the model 3. I think it would show other manufacturers that it s possible to create an affordable car. I also have a feeling that vehicle may start telling other manufacturers they need to make more affordable electric vehicles. I think the whole point of Tesla in the beginning was to transition the world to sustainable energy while I think the model 3 has done a good job I predict the model 2 will be a great vehicle all around. It would also be cool to see the cybertruck :) | 159 | 3 | 8,331 |
mq8ddh | 32 | Where would YOU like to see Tesla in 5 years? I m currently saving up to purchase my dream car the Tesla Model Y Performance. But seeing as I m about 2 years away from realizing that goal I got to thinking about the ways their lineup may improve in the coming years. By 5 years from now we should have the Cybertruck the Semi the Roadster the ATV(?) and maybe even the model 2. What new features (or entirely new products) would you like to see from Tesla in 5 years time? | Honestly I would just like to see tesla having the best customer service in the industry. They have the best products already. If they can get their customer service to be just as good they will be unstoppable. Their future product lines are already setting themselves up to succeed product wise. If they don t expand their service and customer relations sides the issues people have today are going to exponentially grow. | In my driveway. | 159 | 10 | 8,332 |
mq8ddh | 32 | Where would YOU like to see Tesla in 5 years? I m currently saving up to purchase my dream car the Tesla Model Y Performance. But seeing as I m about 2 years away from realizing that goal I got to thinking about the ways their lineup may improve in the coming years. By 5 years from now we should have the Cybertruck the Semi the Roadster the ATV(?) and maybe even the model 2. What new features (or entirely new products) would you like to see from Tesla in 5 years time? | Honestly I would just like to see tesla having the best customer service in the industry. They have the best products already. If they can get their customer service to be just as good they will be unstoppable. Their future product lines are already setting themselves up to succeed product wise. If they don t expand their service and customer relations sides the issues people have today are going to exponentially grow. | AppStore heated windshield - I have a MY PP | 159 | 27 | 8,333 |
mqandh | 123 | If you use the in-car browser regularly which websites have you bookmarked? Just curious if there are some obvious sites I should be visiting to improve my Tesla experience. I ve only bookmarked: * [reddit.com r teslamotors](https: reddit.com r teslamotors) (obviously) * [tesla.com](https: tesla.com) * [airconsole.com](https: airconsole.com) (play games with your phone as the controller kind of pricey after the free tier) What have you bookmarked? | [https: abettertheater.com ](https: abettertheater.com ) | teslafi.com firmware | 146 | 5 | 8,334 |
mqandh | 123 | If you use the in-car browser regularly which websites have you bookmarked? Just curious if there are some obvious sites I should be visiting to improve my Tesla experience. I ve only bookmarked: * [reddit.com r teslamotors](https: reddit.com r teslamotors) (obviously) * [tesla.com](https: tesla.com) * [airconsole.com](https: airconsole.com) (play games with your phone as the controller kind of pricey after the free tier) What have you bookmarked? | the browser used to be tolerable but it is trash now and sooooo slow - they need to add some type of ad blocking at the proxy. | teslafi.com firmware | 79 | 5 | 8,335 |
mqandh | 123 | If you use the in-car browser regularly which websites have you bookmarked? Just curious if there are some obvious sites I should be visiting to improve my Tesla experience. I ve only bookmarked: * [reddit.com r teslamotors](https: reddit.com r teslamotors) (obviously) * [tesla.com](https: tesla.com) * [airconsole.com](https: airconsole.com) (play games with your phone as the controller kind of pricey after the free tier) What have you bookmarked? | [https: abettertheater.com ](https: abettertheater.com ) | the browser used to be tolerable but it is trash now and sooooo slow - they need to add some type of ad blocking at the proxy. | 146 | 79 | 8,336 |
mqrbif | 1,586 | Just passed 100 000 miles in my Model 3! *Repost since I guess the photo with a comment describing my experience wasn t high enough quality for the mods.* [Hit it last night during my road trip!](https: i.imgur.com J4xBqrt.jpg) Just passed a big milestone with my Model 3 last night during anything road trip. This is one of the few 2017 Model 3s out there. Long Range RWD with FSD and factory alcantara headliner. I drive a ton for work and to see my wife (I live in Florida she lives in Canada) and I also drive Uber on the weekends to pull in an extra $1 000 a week. At 100% the battery still estimates about 300 miles of range so degradation hasn t been too terrible. As far as maintenance I haven t had to do a whole lot. There were a bunch of repairs performed in warranty which isn t out of the ordinary for the first run of a new Tesla line. Things like the drivers side mirror creaking ultrasonic sensor not responding seat trim popping out. Out of warranty I ve had the following repairs (with prices to the best of my memory): • Control Arm (front drivers) - $450 • Wheel Bearings (front pair) - $400 • Alignment - $150 • Drivers door trim (I broke the window button) - $120 • Database restore (seat profiles weren t saving correctly) - $85 • Winter Tires (lived in Northern NY) - $1000 • Summer Tires x2 - $2000 Repairs that I ll have to make soon: • Control Arm (at least one of the rear ones) - $450-900 • Driveshaft Cleaning (clicking noise on acceleration and deceleration) - $300 • New Headlights and Taillights (cosmetic scratching) - no clue All in all I love the car. I ll probably end up selling it sometime this year to upgrade to a Y Performance but only because I ll need the extra storage space for a new business I m starting up. Hope this was helpful for anyone that s looking at a Tesla and wondering what maintenance has been like. | I m about to hit 100k on my 2018 PM3 and I ve had none of those repairs except tires. Just a few cosmetic things at the body shop from stuff hitting me or me rubbing up against stuff. I feel lucky. | I would have been hitting 100k myself right now on my 2019 but because of covid I haven t been commuting for a year and 2 months so I m at 49 900. I dropped it off at Tesla last night to have the control arm (ball joint) replaced under warranty because it s sqeaking horribly. I fear it s only a matter of time until the opposite one goes and it won t be under warranty next time :( Oh well looking forward to many more miles and no diff fluid or fuel filters or tranny fluid or coolant flushes or oil changes or belt changes or.... Lol | 346 | 11 | 8,337 |
mqrbif | 1,586 | Just passed 100 000 miles in my Model 3! *Repost since I guess the photo with a comment describing my experience wasn t high enough quality for the mods.* [Hit it last night during my road trip!](https: i.imgur.com J4xBqrt.jpg) Just passed a big milestone with my Model 3 last night during anything road trip. This is one of the few 2017 Model 3s out there. Long Range RWD with FSD and factory alcantara headliner. I drive a ton for work and to see my wife (I live in Florida she lives in Canada) and I also drive Uber on the weekends to pull in an extra $1 000 a week. At 100% the battery still estimates about 300 miles of range so degradation hasn t been too terrible. As far as maintenance I haven t had to do a whole lot. There were a bunch of repairs performed in warranty which isn t out of the ordinary for the first run of a new Tesla line. Things like the drivers side mirror creaking ultrasonic sensor not responding seat trim popping out. Out of warranty I ve had the following repairs (with prices to the best of my memory): • Control Arm (front drivers) - $450 • Wheel Bearings (front pair) - $400 • Alignment - $150 • Drivers door trim (I broke the window button) - $120 • Database restore (seat profiles weren t saving correctly) - $85 • Winter Tires (lived in Northern NY) - $1000 • Summer Tires x2 - $2000 Repairs that I ll have to make soon: • Control Arm (at least one of the rear ones) - $450-900 • Driveshaft Cleaning (clicking noise on acceleration and deceleration) - $300 • New Headlights and Taillights (cosmetic scratching) - no clue All in all I love the car. I ll probably end up selling it sometime this year to upgrade to a Y Performance but only because I ll need the extra storage space for a new business I m starting up. Hope this was helpful for anyone that s looking at a Tesla and wondering what maintenance has been like. | I m about to hit 100k on my 2018 PM3 and I ve had none of those repairs except tires. Just a few cosmetic things at the body shop from stuff hitting me or me rubbing up against stuff. I feel lucky. | Could you tell us about the repairs under warranty? Most importantly thought are you on the original battery and motors? Thank you | 346 | 47 | 8,338 |
mqrbif | 1,586 | Just passed 100 000 miles in my Model 3! *Repost since I guess the photo with a comment describing my experience wasn t high enough quality for the mods.* [Hit it last night during my road trip!](https: i.imgur.com J4xBqrt.jpg) Just passed a big milestone with my Model 3 last night during anything road trip. This is one of the few 2017 Model 3s out there. Long Range RWD with FSD and factory alcantara headliner. I drive a ton for work and to see my wife (I live in Florida she lives in Canada) and I also drive Uber on the weekends to pull in an extra $1 000 a week. At 100% the battery still estimates about 300 miles of range so degradation hasn t been too terrible. As far as maintenance I haven t had to do a whole lot. There were a bunch of repairs performed in warranty which isn t out of the ordinary for the first run of a new Tesla line. Things like the drivers side mirror creaking ultrasonic sensor not responding seat trim popping out. Out of warranty I ve had the following repairs (with prices to the best of my memory): • Control Arm (front drivers) - $450 • Wheel Bearings (front pair) - $400 • Alignment - $150 • Drivers door trim (I broke the window button) - $120 • Database restore (seat profiles weren t saving correctly) - $85 • Winter Tires (lived in Northern NY) - $1000 • Summer Tires x2 - $2000 Repairs that I ll have to make soon: • Control Arm (at least one of the rear ones) - $450-900 • Driveshaft Cleaning (clicking noise on acceleration and deceleration) - $300 • New Headlights and Taillights (cosmetic scratching) - no clue All in all I love the car. I ll probably end up selling it sometime this year to upgrade to a Y Performance but only because I ll need the extra storage space for a new business I m starting up. Hope this was helpful for anyone that s looking at a Tesla and wondering what maintenance has been like. | What area are you driving where you make $1000 a weekend on Uber? How many hours is that? | You have a long distance marriage? you are playing 4D chess my man while the rest of us suckers are playing checkers. | 68 | 2 | 8,339 |
mqzf3f | 76 | The older SR+s are faster than the newer ones and you can make them even faster. Just wanted to share something I found out yesterday. Tested my 2019 SR+ against a friend s 2021 SR+ on an abandoned road. Both cars were in Standard Acceleration with ~90% SoC. The SR+s are about equal under 60mph but the 2019 pulled ahead significantly after that. From a 30-roll it s not even a question -- the 2019 SR+ squeezes ahead. For those of you who don t know the rear motor for the 2019 SR+s (and some 2020s) are the same as the rear motor in the 3 Performance. I hypothesize that may be the reason for the results. I did find out something interesting though...the rear motor in the 2019 SR+ is nerfed and can be uncorked to its full potential with [this](https: ingenext.ca products boostsrforteslamodel3). It drops the 0-60 to about 4.5s and makes the acceleration truly instant by removing the 0.2s delay from when the car reacts to your pedal pressure. I m not sure how this tune will work with Tesla s warranty but I doubt much can happen...the Perf motor is just being software-unlocked to its full potential. If you ve got a salvage SR+ or simply don t care about hassling with Tesla s warranty this is a good way to get some more speed out of your car...I ll probably pick one up soon. Fun how the older SR+s are can be made faster than the newer ones. Cheers! | Did you drive to a road near your friend s place or did the two of you meet in the middle? Warming up the battery via driving there could have contributed. That s why things like ludicrous mode on the S need to preheat the battery to get full current draw. | They have it for the SR but not the LR RWD? I wonder if this would work still for the LR RWD since it s the same motor... | 48 | 2 | 8,340 |
mqzf3f | 76 | The older SR+s are faster than the newer ones and you can make them even faster. Just wanted to share something I found out yesterday. Tested my 2019 SR+ against a friend s 2021 SR+ on an abandoned road. Both cars were in Standard Acceleration with ~90% SoC. The SR+s are about equal under 60mph but the 2019 pulled ahead significantly after that. From a 30-roll it s not even a question -- the 2019 SR+ squeezes ahead. For those of you who don t know the rear motor for the 2019 SR+s (and some 2020s) are the same as the rear motor in the 3 Performance. I hypothesize that may be the reason for the results. I did find out something interesting though...the rear motor in the 2019 SR+ is nerfed and can be uncorked to its full potential with [this](https: ingenext.ca products boostsrforteslamodel3). It drops the 0-60 to about 4.5s and makes the acceleration truly instant by removing the 0.2s delay from when the car reacts to your pedal pressure. I m not sure how this tune will work with Tesla s warranty but I doubt much can happen...the Perf motor is just being software-unlocked to its full potential. If you ve got a salvage SR+ or simply don t care about hassling with Tesla s warranty this is a good way to get some more speed out of your car...I ll probably pick one up soon. Fun how the older SR+s are can be made faster than the newer ones. Cheers! | Did you drive to a road near your friend s place or did the two of you meet in the middle? Warming up the battery via driving there could have contributed. That s why things like ludicrous mode on the S need to preheat the battery to get full current draw. | I always wondered if the acceleration of the SR+ below 20mph was dialled back a bit to ensure a big enough performance gap between it and the LR. | 48 | 2 | 8,341 |
mqzf3f | 76 | The older SR+s are faster than the newer ones and you can make them even faster. Just wanted to share something I found out yesterday. Tested my 2019 SR+ against a friend s 2021 SR+ on an abandoned road. Both cars were in Standard Acceleration with ~90% SoC. The SR+s are about equal under 60mph but the 2019 pulled ahead significantly after that. From a 30-roll it s not even a question -- the 2019 SR+ squeezes ahead. For those of you who don t know the rear motor for the 2019 SR+s (and some 2020s) are the same as the rear motor in the 3 Performance. I hypothesize that may be the reason for the results. I did find out something interesting though...the rear motor in the 2019 SR+ is nerfed and can be uncorked to its full potential with [this](https: ingenext.ca products boostsrforteslamodel3). It drops the 0-60 to about 4.5s and makes the acceleration truly instant by removing the 0.2s delay from when the car reacts to your pedal pressure. I m not sure how this tune will work with Tesla s warranty but I doubt much can happen...the Perf motor is just being software-unlocked to its full potential. If you ve got a salvage SR+ or simply don t care about hassling with Tesla s warranty this is a good way to get some more speed out of your car...I ll probably pick one up soon. Fun how the older SR+s are can be made faster than the newer ones. Cheers! | Did you drive to a road near your friend s place or did the two of you meet in the middle? Warming up the battery via driving there could have contributed. That s why things like ludicrous mode on the S need to preheat the battery to get full current draw. | Is the SR+ the only trim that has the 0.2s delay? | 48 | 3 | 8,342 |
mr3f09 | 90 | Model S delayed for even longer... Still not happening and now they have gone and failed their inspection because they turned it on early (edit: the BUS BAR listed in the permit). Why when you know people are waiting for these things would you go and light up the equipment early??!?!! But at least they ve already pulled the dates back till July just in time to almost miss a full half a year of production. Check out the inspections area. 4 fails. Today shoulda been the day but they couldn t shut down the panel for inspection and they had plugged a bunch of stuff in they shouldn t have yet. Edit: If you click the drop down where it says record info click inspections. You ll see the inspections there. Bus bar (https: aca-prod.accela.com COF Cap CapDetail.aspx?Module=Building& TabName=Building& capID1=21CAP& capID2=00000& capID3=00ACL& agencyCode=COF& IsToShowInspection=) Edit: If you view details on the two recent ones they state: Tesla not able to shut down panel for inspection. Also tool electrical from PDP not on plans provide a permit for inspection or add to scope. Provide sp. inspection affidavit for anchors and welds And Also mechanical air was not tested and installed without inspection. All tools are not authorized for use by the city. Fail - Corrections Required 204 Rough Electrical (1371094) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 03 09 2021 at 12:00 AM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 204 Rough Electrical (1372341) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 03 11 2021 at 12:00 AM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 499 Mechanical Final (1382731) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 04 14 2021 at 02:33 PM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 299 Electrical Final (1382730) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 04 14 2021 at 02:37 PM View Details Edit 2: I know this isn t as fancy as reading yoke and software updates are stopping production. This is essentially a permit for electricity to power equipment specifically on the MS MX line at Fremont. | Thanks OP its certainly disconcerting that tesla are having these issues after first messaging production starting in February. Doesnt help that communication since then has be pretty much relegating to watching drone video or ppl randomly catch test vehicles on street. I wonder how the q1 call will go on this or if it will be pushed under the rug | After your long description it does sound pretty plausible but seems like the delay would be minimal no? Fix and then new inspection? | 42 | 9 | 8,343 |
mr3f09 | 90 | Model S delayed for even longer... Still not happening and now they have gone and failed their inspection because they turned it on early (edit: the BUS BAR listed in the permit). Why when you know people are waiting for these things would you go and light up the equipment early??!?!! But at least they ve already pulled the dates back till July just in time to almost miss a full half a year of production. Check out the inspections area. 4 fails. Today shoulda been the day but they couldn t shut down the panel for inspection and they had plugged a bunch of stuff in they shouldn t have yet. Edit: If you click the drop down where it says record info click inspections. You ll see the inspections there. Bus bar (https: aca-prod.accela.com COF Cap CapDetail.aspx?Module=Building& TabName=Building& capID1=21CAP& capID2=00000& capID3=00ACL& agencyCode=COF& IsToShowInspection=) Edit: If you view details on the two recent ones they state: Tesla not able to shut down panel for inspection. Also tool electrical from PDP not on plans provide a permit for inspection or add to scope. Provide sp. inspection affidavit for anchors and welds And Also mechanical air was not tested and installed without inspection. All tools are not authorized for use by the city. Fail - Corrections Required 204 Rough Electrical (1371094) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 03 09 2021 at 12:00 AM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 204 Rough Electrical (1372341) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 03 11 2021 at 12:00 AM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 499 Mechanical Final (1382731) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 04 14 2021 at 02:33 PM View Details Fail - Corrections Required 299 Electrical Final (1382730) Result by: Johnny Gusman on 04 14 2021 at 02:37 PM View Details Edit 2: I know this isn t as fancy as reading yoke and software updates are stopping production. This is essentially a permit for electricity to power equipment specifically on the MS MX line at Fremont. | Thanks OP its certainly disconcerting that tesla are having these issues after first messaging production starting in February. Doesnt help that communication since then has be pretty much relegating to watching drone video or ppl randomly catch test vehicles on street. I wonder how the q1 call will go on this or if it will be pushed under the rug | Your link opens to a report from Feb 2nd and only has 1 issue reported and apparently resolved as well. Where you getting 4 issues from? | 42 | 14 | 8,344 |
mrf81n | 44 | How does the 12V battery recharge work? Does the main battery charge the 12V battery when it gets to a certain percentage or when driving or something else? The reason I ask is I would like to use the 12V battery to charge batteries for RC airplanes (generally about 3000mAh & 13V-17V) per battery. And I am trying to figure out if doing so would degrade the 12V battery by excessively discharging it or if it wouldn t make a difference and be the same as how it s usually used anyways (for instance to charge your phone or run sentry mode when the car is parked) For instance in a normal car if it was off it would put a lot of strain on the battery because that is not how it s supposed to be used (usually just a quick discharge followed by a quick charge not a slow gradual discharge). But if you were to run the car it would essentially just run off the alternator and be no issue but you would be wasting gas. Just wondering how this would work in a Tesla. From what I have read worst case scenario replacing the 12V battery costs about $100 so it s not like I would be hurting anything expensive regardless. | Any time the car s awake the 12V is being charged by the [Power Conversion System](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=lXokJEzXwaI). As long as you pull from the 12V auxiliary port the car will not freak out or cause harm to either battery though that source is limited to something like 150 W. There are also ways to tap into the 12V rails to pull as much as 2 kW but you d have to seek expertise on that. | Is this not something you can buy an inverter for and just plug into the 12v outlet in the car? | 49 | 2 | 8,345 |
mrf81n | 44 | How does the 12V battery recharge work? Does the main battery charge the 12V battery when it gets to a certain percentage or when driving or something else? The reason I ask is I would like to use the 12V battery to charge batteries for RC airplanes (generally about 3000mAh & 13V-17V) per battery. And I am trying to figure out if doing so would degrade the 12V battery by excessively discharging it or if it wouldn t make a difference and be the same as how it s usually used anyways (for instance to charge your phone or run sentry mode when the car is parked) For instance in a normal car if it was off it would put a lot of strain on the battery because that is not how it s supposed to be used (usually just a quick discharge followed by a quick charge not a slow gradual discharge). But if you were to run the car it would essentially just run off the alternator and be no issue but you would be wasting gas. Just wondering how this would work in a Tesla. From what I have read worst case scenario replacing the 12V battery costs about $100 so it s not like I would be hurting anything expensive regardless. | Any time the car s awake the 12V is being charged by the [Power Conversion System](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=lXokJEzXwaI). As long as you pull from the 12V auxiliary port the car will not freak out or cause harm to either battery though that source is limited to something like 150 W. There are also ways to tap into the 12V rails to pull as much as 2 kW but you d have to seek expertise on that. | The car s DC-to-DC converter acts as the alternator by converting the high voltage power from the DC pack and automatically wakes up to top off the 12v when needed. You can leave the car alone for multiple weeks with no issues. As long as the main battery stays charged then you re fine (which you can check from your phone). If the main 12v fails it s because of age or manufacturing defect. | 49 | 4 | 8,346 |
mrkytg | 46 | Model Y SR Premium Connectivity Trial Hey gang I ordered a MY SR during the brief period they were available. Great car loving it so far. At the time I was given a 1 year premium connectivity trial. This was guaranteed in the order agreement which references this [website](https: www.tesla.com support connectivity). At the time my agreement was signed the website stated one year for all new Model Y. Evidence [here.](http: web.archive.org web 20210116064028 https: www.tesla.com support connectivity) After taking delivery and using the car for a month or so I got an email that said my trial was going to expire soon. I thought that was odd so I contacted support and they told me MY SR only get one month. I told them that at the time I signed my agreement it was a year and they refused to honor that. I spoke with a supervisor on the phone who also refused to honor this. He admitted this was a mistake but said there is nothing they can do. He said I could pursue legal action if I wanted to take it further. Look it s $110 worth of subscription services so I am tempted to leave it alone but the precedent here is shocking - essentially saying they can reference a website in a legal agreement then change the content of the website and not honor the original agreement. And now it s on the customer to get a lawyer to get them to honor the agreement? I am stuck here and unsatisfied with them telling me they won t honor a signed agreement without pursuing legal options. Any suggestions on anyone else to contact? Any other SR MY owners get hosed by this? | My used 2018 came with lifetime premium connectivity but Tesla stripped it as soon as I registered my ownership of the car with them and instead gave me a one-month trial. It took me four calls to support with increasing escalation to get them to agree that their own description of lifetime in this case applied to the car not just the original owner. The whole premium connectivity thing seems small-minded of Tesla. Some bean counting executive figured out how to squeeze a few more bucks from their customers and along the way they built another way to piss off owners. | Exact same thing happened to me. I did notice at the time of ordering that one webpage referenced 30 days and another referenced a full year. I was skeptical when I took delivery and my Y said it was a full year. Got the same email you did and my trial ended up expiring after close to 2 months. Boils down to how you look at it. I was slightly annoyed but 2 months is better than 1. Also - after it expiring I don t miss the premium connectivity. That said I would think most companies would honor the 1 year but Tesla isn t most companies. | 43 | 3 | 8,347 |
mrkytg | 46 | Model Y SR Premium Connectivity Trial Hey gang I ordered a MY SR during the brief period they were available. Great car loving it so far. At the time I was given a 1 year premium connectivity trial. This was guaranteed in the order agreement which references this [website](https: www.tesla.com support connectivity). At the time my agreement was signed the website stated one year for all new Model Y. Evidence [here.](http: web.archive.org web 20210116064028 https: www.tesla.com support connectivity) After taking delivery and using the car for a month or so I got an email that said my trial was going to expire soon. I thought that was odd so I contacted support and they told me MY SR only get one month. I told them that at the time I signed my agreement it was a year and they refused to honor that. I spoke with a supervisor on the phone who also refused to honor this. He admitted this was a mistake but said there is nothing they can do. He said I could pursue legal action if I wanted to take it further. Look it s $110 worth of subscription services so I am tempted to leave it alone but the precedent here is shocking - essentially saying they can reference a website in a legal agreement then change the content of the website and not honor the original agreement. And now it s on the customer to get a lawyer to get them to honor the agreement? I am stuck here and unsatisfied with them telling me they won t honor a signed agreement without pursuing legal options. Any suggestions on anyone else to contact? Any other SR MY owners get hosed by this? | My used 2018 came with lifetime premium connectivity but Tesla stripped it as soon as I registered my ownership of the car with them and instead gave me a one-month trial. It took me four calls to support with increasing escalation to get them to agree that their own description of lifetime in this case applied to the car not just the original owner. The whole premium connectivity thing seems small-minded of Tesla. Some bean counting executive figured out how to squeeze a few more bucks from their customers and along the way they built another way to piss off owners. | > Orders of Model S Model X Model Y and Model 3 **with Premium Interior** will receive a Premium Connectivity trial for one year after delivery. Do the SR model Ys have the premium interior now? I know the SR and SR+ 3s don t. | 43 | 9 | 8,348 |
msqvos | 40 | Does a FSD price hike raise the value of a used Tesla with FSD accordingly? Does the price of pre owned Teslas increase after a price increase to FSD? I m considering getting a pre-owned model 3 with FSD. This would be a big investment for me so I want to hold off until a) the anticipated EV incentives are enacted or b) Musk announces a price increase to FSD. If this is announced and I buy a Tesla right before it is enacted will I get an according increase to the valuation of my car when it goes through? If so do people buy Teslas when Musk announces a price increase to flip them when it goes through? Thanks | Nah. And the only sense in which getting a Tesla is an “investment” and not an “expense” is that the total cost of ownership of a good EV will be lower than a dinosaur burner unless you charge solely from superchargers (those rates can equate to gasoline prices on a per mile basis). Get a Tesla for the gas vs electrons arbitrage opportunity if you re thinking about this financially. | No on all accounts. | 42 | 2 | 8,349 |
msqvos | 40 | Does a FSD price hike raise the value of a used Tesla with FSD accordingly? Does the price of pre owned Teslas increase after a price increase to FSD? I m considering getting a pre-owned model 3 with FSD. This would be a big investment for me so I want to hold off until a) the anticipated EV incentives are enacted or b) Musk announces a price increase to FSD. If this is announced and I buy a Tesla right before it is enacted will I get an according increase to the valuation of my car when it goes through? If so do people buy Teslas when Musk announces a price increase to flip them when it goes through? Thanks | Nah. And the only sense in which getting a Tesla is an “investment” and not an “expense” is that the total cost of ownership of a good EV will be lower than a dinosaur burner unless you charge solely from superchargers (those rates can equate to gasoline prices on a per mile basis). Get a Tesla for the gas vs electrons arbitrage opportunity if you re thinking about this financially. | It doesn t seem to no. | 42 | 5 | 8,350 |
msqvos | 40 | Does a FSD price hike raise the value of a used Tesla with FSD accordingly? Does the price of pre owned Teslas increase after a price increase to FSD? I m considering getting a pre-owned model 3 with FSD. This would be a big investment for me so I want to hold off until a) the anticipated EV incentives are enacted or b) Musk announces a price increase to FSD. If this is announced and I buy a Tesla right before it is enacted will I get an according increase to the valuation of my car when it goes through? If so do people buy Teslas when Musk announces a price increase to flip them when it goes through? Thanks | Honestly I don t see how an depreciating asset can appreciate. I don t look at a car as an investment. It will get to a point where it s simply not worth it to add it to a new vehicle. Even at this point 10k is not worth it for what you get today. Edit: no it doesn t add much value | No on all accounts. | 38 | 2 | 8,351 |
mt55nn | 586 | Traded in my Model 3 for a brand new loaded BMW 330xi. Tesla emailed me for my ownership feedback. This is the feedback I shared with Tesla with the hope it will be read by the right person. Though at this point my expectation is that it will get grazed over and filed somewhere with no action to justify the half hour it took me to write...but it was a nice closing to my ownership experience with the brand. Sincere thanks to u 110110 for allowing this post through here given the ask is that experiences are directed to r TeslaLounge. > I had a 2019 Model 3 long range all wheel drive. Black paint and black interior. > > Within the first week I started to realize how poor the paint quality was. Bubbling paint in one area peeling paint on the front bumper where the bumper met the side body under spray in areas like the trunk and hood road rash on both rear doors because they were misaligned and stuck out just a bit further than the front doors road rash on the rear bumper from kicking up road debris and VERY noticeable rock chips on the front of the car after the first couple hundred miles of driving. > > The Tesla was my 5th luxury car coming from 3 Cadillacs and an Audi and I have NEVER seen such poor vehicle quality on a $55 000 vehicle. > > My temporary registration expired with no sign of my license plates and actual registration in sight. Could not reach anyone with Tesla support to get the matter resolved. Talked to the Tesla Store and was told they could not issue another temporary registration and that my plates were on the way. Meanwhile I m unable to legally drive my car because there s no active registration on it. I go to my state s BMV and am told the only way I can get a new temporary registration is to file a complaint against Tesla with the State Attorney General. So I did. The delivery manager at the Tesla Store assured me they would cover the $20 and change it cost me to get a new temporary registration. That was 1.5 years ago. Still haven t received it to this day. > > Within the first few months of ownership the MCU would crash and reboot every time I d get in the car to drive. Tried troubleshooting with Tesla support over text but they took days to respond. I was told my issue was escalated to the engineering team and it took another TWO MONTHS of MCU crashing before something was updated on the backend that resolved the issue. > > At 20 000 miles the right front suspension failed and caused incredibly loud (and embarrassing) squeaking from the car from even the most gentle movement. Tesla would not offer mobile service for this issue. Tesla also does not offer night or weekend appointments nor valet service (like every other auto manufacturer I ve dealt with does) so my only option was to use my own PERSONAL TIME from work to drive the vehicle an hour away to the nearest service center. I had to beg and plead for a loaner vehicle which was a pickup truck from Enterprise because the service center had no Tesla loaners to offer. Even at that I was still pushed to accept Uber credits. In the middle of a pandemic. Uber credits to ride with a stranger for 90+ miles back home 70+ miles for my daily work commute and 90+ more miles back to the service center. The pickup truck sounded like the presidential limo in contrast. > > I ordered numerous in stock items from the Tesla website that took weeks and months to get to me with no tracking status updates or indication of when I would receive them. Tesla Store email support was totally unresponsive. I had to do a charge back through my credit card on one of the items as no one would get back to me on a return. I waited weeks before going that route. It wasn t until I mentioned charge back that I got an immediate response but of course by then the charge back had already been completed. > > The Model 3 is also missing a number of standard luxury features for a car being sold at this price point. Heated steering wheel head up display ventilated seats actual decent ambient interior lighting functional auto high beams and auto windshield wipers that use a real sensor instead of a camera that causes the high beams to flash 100 cars driving down the freeway and causes the windshield wipers to kick into maximum speed for a light mist no power trunk no XM radio no 360 birds eye camera view no rear cross traffic alert no decent blind spot monitoring no functional passive entry (there s a reason other auto manufacturers don t use Bluetooth on smart phones as keys take note) no entry pathway lighting so you can find your way in the dark no tri-zone climate control no reconfigurable gauge cluster and I m sure if I spent more time I could come up with a dozen other missing features. > > But hey I ll tell you what the Model 3 had that absolutely none of my other luxury cars did. Fart mode. Boy that just about makes up for all the missing features horrible customer service horrible build quality and overall horrible ownership experience. Whoever came up with that idea should get a raise. > > I am looking forward to the influx of electric vehicles from other manufacturers because it will mean one of two things. One Tesla will actually have to face the music and reallocate development from video games and elevator music playing through the pedestrian warning speaker to focus on build quality and customer service. Or two Tesla will fall behind and lose the lead in the EV market it s worked so hard to build. > > I ended my lease early with Tesla because I could not continue in good conscience to support a brand that clearly did not value me as a consumer. When you call the Tesla Store and ask to speak to someone in sales you re immediately connected. Ask for ANYONE else and you re on hold for the better part of an hour if you re lucky to reach anyone at all. > > Tesla very clearly cares only about new consumers and based on their actions (or rather inactions) does not care about established consumers purchasing another Tesla. > > I go out of my way to fill in friends family colleagues and strangers both in person and online of the horrible vehicle experience I had with Tesla and have successfully changed the minds of two prospective Tesla customers at this point. I will continue to share my experience. > > I can only hope this feedback reaches the right person that has the ability to act on anything I ve said. Tesla has lost one customer with no chance for redemption but perhaps my feedback will lead to changes that don t result in other owners going down the same path. | I definitely sympathize with you having a terrible experience with your car and the company BUT You seem to have won the lottery on issues with your car issues with the company and honestly maybe a little bit of pickyness or unrealistic expectations. I would probably buy something else if I had your same experience but it s important to note that your experience is not the one that everyone has as has been proven by plenty of customer satisfaction surveys and the like. The maintenance and breakdown issues are totally inexcusable and definitely one of the main areas Tesla needs to improve. However you seem to have purchased a model 3 the budget part of their lineup and expected everything you get out of the same price of car elsewhere. With an EV at least right now you are paying much more for the drivetrain than in a comparably priced ICE car so if luxury is your only desire then yes you can definitely get more luxury for your dollar elsewhere. As for the features Heated steering wheels are standard now Power trunk is standard now. I sincerely have no idea what you re on about with the two comments on lighting. My model 3 has these and they work fine? Same for passive entry. There s a good chance it s a phone power saving setting that s the cause but the fob is the built-for-purpose device you were looking for. Shame they don t include one or at least have it as an order option. I d imagine I have the luxury of driving in california but many of the automatic options that don t work for you do for me. SOunds like Tesla needs to do more training on data from outside CA. There s a fair bit more model S the more luxury part of the lineup has but I m not an owner so I couldn t tell you about them. & #x200B All in all you seem to be a mix of reasonably angry with reliability issues and overly picky with many other things but it s your prerogative to be picky it s your $ after all. Your post just seems to have a tone of trying to convince everyone that they re wrong for being totally fine or very happy with their car. Perhaps you should have included your list of likes along with the dislikes instead of burying them in a comment. This is further reinforced by your mentioning convincing others to not buy a Tesla based on your experience as if yours is the norm. Seems a bit like trying to convince everyone to buy lottery tickets because you won. | lots of great feedback for future model refreshes. my model y has a heating steering wheel and power trunk. Elon says 360 view will be standard for FSD next month. you re right about blind spot warning... that needs to be improved badly | 340 | 4 | 8,352 |
mt55nn | 586 | Traded in my Model 3 for a brand new loaded BMW 330xi. Tesla emailed me for my ownership feedback. This is the feedback I shared with Tesla with the hope it will be read by the right person. Though at this point my expectation is that it will get grazed over and filed somewhere with no action to justify the half hour it took me to write...but it was a nice closing to my ownership experience with the brand. Sincere thanks to u 110110 for allowing this post through here given the ask is that experiences are directed to r TeslaLounge. > I had a 2019 Model 3 long range all wheel drive. Black paint and black interior. > > Within the first week I started to realize how poor the paint quality was. Bubbling paint in one area peeling paint on the front bumper where the bumper met the side body under spray in areas like the trunk and hood road rash on both rear doors because they were misaligned and stuck out just a bit further than the front doors road rash on the rear bumper from kicking up road debris and VERY noticeable rock chips on the front of the car after the first couple hundred miles of driving. > > The Tesla was my 5th luxury car coming from 3 Cadillacs and an Audi and I have NEVER seen such poor vehicle quality on a $55 000 vehicle. > > My temporary registration expired with no sign of my license plates and actual registration in sight. Could not reach anyone with Tesla support to get the matter resolved. Talked to the Tesla Store and was told they could not issue another temporary registration and that my plates were on the way. Meanwhile I m unable to legally drive my car because there s no active registration on it. I go to my state s BMV and am told the only way I can get a new temporary registration is to file a complaint against Tesla with the State Attorney General. So I did. The delivery manager at the Tesla Store assured me they would cover the $20 and change it cost me to get a new temporary registration. That was 1.5 years ago. Still haven t received it to this day. > > Within the first few months of ownership the MCU would crash and reboot every time I d get in the car to drive. Tried troubleshooting with Tesla support over text but they took days to respond. I was told my issue was escalated to the engineering team and it took another TWO MONTHS of MCU crashing before something was updated on the backend that resolved the issue. > > At 20 000 miles the right front suspension failed and caused incredibly loud (and embarrassing) squeaking from the car from even the most gentle movement. Tesla would not offer mobile service for this issue. Tesla also does not offer night or weekend appointments nor valet service (like every other auto manufacturer I ve dealt with does) so my only option was to use my own PERSONAL TIME from work to drive the vehicle an hour away to the nearest service center. I had to beg and plead for a loaner vehicle which was a pickup truck from Enterprise because the service center had no Tesla loaners to offer. Even at that I was still pushed to accept Uber credits. In the middle of a pandemic. Uber credits to ride with a stranger for 90+ miles back home 70+ miles for my daily work commute and 90+ more miles back to the service center. The pickup truck sounded like the presidential limo in contrast. > > I ordered numerous in stock items from the Tesla website that took weeks and months to get to me with no tracking status updates or indication of when I would receive them. Tesla Store email support was totally unresponsive. I had to do a charge back through my credit card on one of the items as no one would get back to me on a return. I waited weeks before going that route. It wasn t until I mentioned charge back that I got an immediate response but of course by then the charge back had already been completed. > > The Model 3 is also missing a number of standard luxury features for a car being sold at this price point. Heated steering wheel head up display ventilated seats actual decent ambient interior lighting functional auto high beams and auto windshield wipers that use a real sensor instead of a camera that causes the high beams to flash 100 cars driving down the freeway and causes the windshield wipers to kick into maximum speed for a light mist no power trunk no XM radio no 360 birds eye camera view no rear cross traffic alert no decent blind spot monitoring no functional passive entry (there s a reason other auto manufacturers don t use Bluetooth on smart phones as keys take note) no entry pathway lighting so you can find your way in the dark no tri-zone climate control no reconfigurable gauge cluster and I m sure if I spent more time I could come up with a dozen other missing features. > > But hey I ll tell you what the Model 3 had that absolutely none of my other luxury cars did. Fart mode. Boy that just about makes up for all the missing features horrible customer service horrible build quality and overall horrible ownership experience. Whoever came up with that idea should get a raise. > > I am looking forward to the influx of electric vehicles from other manufacturers because it will mean one of two things. One Tesla will actually have to face the music and reallocate development from video games and elevator music playing through the pedestrian warning speaker to focus on build quality and customer service. Or two Tesla will fall behind and lose the lead in the EV market it s worked so hard to build. > > I ended my lease early with Tesla because I could not continue in good conscience to support a brand that clearly did not value me as a consumer. When you call the Tesla Store and ask to speak to someone in sales you re immediately connected. Ask for ANYONE else and you re on hold for the better part of an hour if you re lucky to reach anyone at all. > > Tesla very clearly cares only about new consumers and based on their actions (or rather inactions) does not care about established consumers purchasing another Tesla. > > I go out of my way to fill in friends family colleagues and strangers both in person and online of the horrible vehicle experience I had with Tesla and have successfully changed the minds of two prospective Tesla customers at this point. I will continue to share my experience. > > I can only hope this feedback reaches the right person that has the ability to act on anything I ve said. Tesla has lost one customer with no chance for redemption but perhaps my feedback will lead to changes that don t result in other owners going down the same path. | I definitely sympathize with you having a terrible experience with your car and the company BUT You seem to have won the lottery on issues with your car issues with the company and honestly maybe a little bit of pickyness or unrealistic expectations. I would probably buy something else if I had your same experience but it s important to note that your experience is not the one that everyone has as has been proven by plenty of customer satisfaction surveys and the like. The maintenance and breakdown issues are totally inexcusable and definitely one of the main areas Tesla needs to improve. However you seem to have purchased a model 3 the budget part of their lineup and expected everything you get out of the same price of car elsewhere. With an EV at least right now you are paying much more for the drivetrain than in a comparably priced ICE car so if luxury is your only desire then yes you can definitely get more luxury for your dollar elsewhere. As for the features Heated steering wheels are standard now Power trunk is standard now. I sincerely have no idea what you re on about with the two comments on lighting. My model 3 has these and they work fine? Same for passive entry. There s a good chance it s a phone power saving setting that s the cause but the fob is the built-for-purpose device you were looking for. Shame they don t include one or at least have it as an order option. I d imagine I have the luxury of driving in california but many of the automatic options that don t work for you do for me. SOunds like Tesla needs to do more training on data from outside CA. There s a fair bit more model S the more luxury part of the lineup has but I m not an owner so I couldn t tell you about them. & #x200B All in all you seem to be a mix of reasonably angry with reliability issues and overly picky with many other things but it s your prerogative to be picky it s your $ after all. Your post just seems to have a tone of trying to convince everyone that they re wrong for being totally fine or very happy with their car. Perhaps you should have included your list of likes along with the dislikes instead of burying them in a comment. This is further reinforced by your mentioning convincing others to not buy a Tesla based on your experience as if yours is the norm. Seems a bit like trying to convince everyone to buy lottery tickets because you won. | Have had the same exact suspension failure! I know a few people whom have had it. They don t really care because it was covered under warranty. But wait I ll that it expires! Hopefully one day someone will class action it. My service rep told me a it s a known problem. however not covered after warranty ends | 340 | 5 | 8,353 |
mt55nn | 586 | Traded in my Model 3 for a brand new loaded BMW 330xi. Tesla emailed me for my ownership feedback. This is the feedback I shared with Tesla with the hope it will be read by the right person. Though at this point my expectation is that it will get grazed over and filed somewhere with no action to justify the half hour it took me to write...but it was a nice closing to my ownership experience with the brand. Sincere thanks to u 110110 for allowing this post through here given the ask is that experiences are directed to r TeslaLounge. > I had a 2019 Model 3 long range all wheel drive. Black paint and black interior. > > Within the first week I started to realize how poor the paint quality was. Bubbling paint in one area peeling paint on the front bumper where the bumper met the side body under spray in areas like the trunk and hood road rash on both rear doors because they were misaligned and stuck out just a bit further than the front doors road rash on the rear bumper from kicking up road debris and VERY noticeable rock chips on the front of the car after the first couple hundred miles of driving. > > The Tesla was my 5th luxury car coming from 3 Cadillacs and an Audi and I have NEVER seen such poor vehicle quality on a $55 000 vehicle. > > My temporary registration expired with no sign of my license plates and actual registration in sight. Could not reach anyone with Tesla support to get the matter resolved. Talked to the Tesla Store and was told they could not issue another temporary registration and that my plates were on the way. Meanwhile I m unable to legally drive my car because there s no active registration on it. I go to my state s BMV and am told the only way I can get a new temporary registration is to file a complaint against Tesla with the State Attorney General. So I did. The delivery manager at the Tesla Store assured me they would cover the $20 and change it cost me to get a new temporary registration. That was 1.5 years ago. Still haven t received it to this day. > > Within the first few months of ownership the MCU would crash and reboot every time I d get in the car to drive. Tried troubleshooting with Tesla support over text but they took days to respond. I was told my issue was escalated to the engineering team and it took another TWO MONTHS of MCU crashing before something was updated on the backend that resolved the issue. > > At 20 000 miles the right front suspension failed and caused incredibly loud (and embarrassing) squeaking from the car from even the most gentle movement. Tesla would not offer mobile service for this issue. Tesla also does not offer night or weekend appointments nor valet service (like every other auto manufacturer I ve dealt with does) so my only option was to use my own PERSONAL TIME from work to drive the vehicle an hour away to the nearest service center. I had to beg and plead for a loaner vehicle which was a pickup truck from Enterprise because the service center had no Tesla loaners to offer. Even at that I was still pushed to accept Uber credits. In the middle of a pandemic. Uber credits to ride with a stranger for 90+ miles back home 70+ miles for my daily work commute and 90+ more miles back to the service center. The pickup truck sounded like the presidential limo in contrast. > > I ordered numerous in stock items from the Tesla website that took weeks and months to get to me with no tracking status updates or indication of when I would receive them. Tesla Store email support was totally unresponsive. I had to do a charge back through my credit card on one of the items as no one would get back to me on a return. I waited weeks before going that route. It wasn t until I mentioned charge back that I got an immediate response but of course by then the charge back had already been completed. > > The Model 3 is also missing a number of standard luxury features for a car being sold at this price point. Heated steering wheel head up display ventilated seats actual decent ambient interior lighting functional auto high beams and auto windshield wipers that use a real sensor instead of a camera that causes the high beams to flash 100 cars driving down the freeway and causes the windshield wipers to kick into maximum speed for a light mist no power trunk no XM radio no 360 birds eye camera view no rear cross traffic alert no decent blind spot monitoring no functional passive entry (there s a reason other auto manufacturers don t use Bluetooth on smart phones as keys take note) no entry pathway lighting so you can find your way in the dark no tri-zone climate control no reconfigurable gauge cluster and I m sure if I spent more time I could come up with a dozen other missing features. > > But hey I ll tell you what the Model 3 had that absolutely none of my other luxury cars did. Fart mode. Boy that just about makes up for all the missing features horrible customer service horrible build quality and overall horrible ownership experience. Whoever came up with that idea should get a raise. > > I am looking forward to the influx of electric vehicles from other manufacturers because it will mean one of two things. One Tesla will actually have to face the music and reallocate development from video games and elevator music playing through the pedestrian warning speaker to focus on build quality and customer service. Or two Tesla will fall behind and lose the lead in the EV market it s worked so hard to build. > > I ended my lease early with Tesla because I could not continue in good conscience to support a brand that clearly did not value me as a consumer. When you call the Tesla Store and ask to speak to someone in sales you re immediately connected. Ask for ANYONE else and you re on hold for the better part of an hour if you re lucky to reach anyone at all. > > Tesla very clearly cares only about new consumers and based on their actions (or rather inactions) does not care about established consumers purchasing another Tesla. > > I go out of my way to fill in friends family colleagues and strangers both in person and online of the horrible vehicle experience I had with Tesla and have successfully changed the minds of two prospective Tesla customers at this point. I will continue to share my experience. > > I can only hope this feedback reaches the right person that has the ability to act on anything I ve said. Tesla has lost one customer with no chance for redemption but perhaps my feedback will lead to changes that don t result in other owners going down the same path. | I definitely sympathize with you having a terrible experience with your car and the company BUT You seem to have won the lottery on issues with your car issues with the company and honestly maybe a little bit of pickyness or unrealistic expectations. I would probably buy something else if I had your same experience but it s important to note that your experience is not the one that everyone has as has been proven by plenty of customer satisfaction surveys and the like. The maintenance and breakdown issues are totally inexcusable and definitely one of the main areas Tesla needs to improve. However you seem to have purchased a model 3 the budget part of their lineup and expected everything you get out of the same price of car elsewhere. With an EV at least right now you are paying much more for the drivetrain than in a comparably priced ICE car so if luxury is your only desire then yes you can definitely get more luxury for your dollar elsewhere. As for the features Heated steering wheels are standard now Power trunk is standard now. I sincerely have no idea what you re on about with the two comments on lighting. My model 3 has these and they work fine? Same for passive entry. There s a good chance it s a phone power saving setting that s the cause but the fob is the built-for-purpose device you were looking for. Shame they don t include one or at least have it as an order option. I d imagine I have the luxury of driving in california but many of the automatic options that don t work for you do for me. SOunds like Tesla needs to do more training on data from outside CA. There s a fair bit more model S the more luxury part of the lineup has but I m not an owner so I couldn t tell you about them. & #x200B All in all you seem to be a mix of reasonably angry with reliability issues and overly picky with many other things but it s your prerogative to be picky it s your $ after all. Your post just seems to have a tone of trying to convince everyone that they re wrong for being totally fine or very happy with their car. Perhaps you should have included your list of likes along with the dislikes instead of burying them in a comment. This is further reinforced by your mentioning convincing others to not buy a Tesla based on your experience as if yours is the norm. Seems a bit like trying to convince everyone to buy lottery tickets because you won. | What s the price tag of your 330xi? | 340 | 5 | 8,354 |
mtn8f5 | 204 | Model 3 Would Not Charge Without Internet Pulled up to a Supercharger where all stations were full. Waited until my turn and connected. The car started to charge then stopped. Moved to another space and outside light immediately went red. Another Tesla pulled into the first spot and had no issue charging so I was concerned it was my car and not the Supercharger. I got back into the car and noticed that I had no LTE signal. I left the connector in my car and used my hotspot on my phone to connect. As soon as the WiFi connected I heard the connector lock and the screen showed that it was charging. A Y pulled up and had the same issue. We connected her car to her hotspot on her phone and her Y started. | Thanks for letting us know this can happen. Good to put in the back pocket if this happens in the future on a road trip. | Try tweeting the official Supercharger handle: [https: twitter.com TeslaCharging](https: twitter.com TeslaCharging) | 68 | 28 | 8,355 |
mtzbff | 284 | Toyota just explained how yoke steering wheel will work Toyota s explanation as to why it also changed the steering wheel for a yoke with the steer-by-wire is simple: with the system that no longer has a physical connection between the helm and the wheels the driver will need to apply a lot less lock to make the car to turn thus eliminating the need to take their hands off the steering wheel when negotiating tighter turns. for me this explains how Tesla model S X system will probably work - and this direction from Toyota validates Tesla s approach. source: [https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ](https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ) | How can one fathom traveling in this horseless carriage. A driver without a trusted mare is a plan for ruin! 🐎 | The car also has all the cameras and map data. It might take that and your signaling to smartly adjust things. I think the variableness would be weird but I guess we ll just have to wait see how it actually is. | 338 | 4 | 8,356 |
mtzbff | 284 | Toyota just explained how yoke steering wheel will work Toyota s explanation as to why it also changed the steering wheel for a yoke with the steer-by-wire is simple: with the system that no longer has a physical connection between the helm and the wheels the driver will need to apply a lot less lock to make the car to turn thus eliminating the need to take their hands off the steering wheel when negotiating tighter turns. for me this explains how Tesla model S X system will probably work - and this direction from Toyota validates Tesla s approach. source: [https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ](https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ) | How can one fathom traveling in this horseless carriage. A driver without a trusted mare is a plan for ruin! 🐎 | I think tesla one is not drive by wire. Probably is a variable steering ratio like that one you can find in bmws. | 338 | 47 | 8,357 |
mtzbff | 284 | Toyota just explained how yoke steering wheel will work Toyota s explanation as to why it also changed the steering wheel for a yoke with the steer-by-wire is simple: with the system that no longer has a physical connection between the helm and the wheels the driver will need to apply a lot less lock to make the car to turn thus eliminating the need to take their hands off the steering wheel when negotiating tighter turns. for me this explains how Tesla model S X system will probably work - and this direction from Toyota validates Tesla s approach. source: [https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ](https: insideevs.com news 501835 toyota-bz4x-yoke-steering-wheel ) | How can one fathom traveling in this horseless carriage. A driver without a trusted mare is a plan for ruin! 🐎 | But how then can one get a feel for how tight a turn will be needed if the ratio changes ... maybe it will be fine but I hope there are no edge case resulting is crash. | 338 | 58 | 8,358 |
mueyt8 | 50 | Test drove a Taycan 4S - Disappointed compared to Tesla! I currently drive a 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD as a daily driver and although I love the car I wanted something a bit more unique but with the same electric driving experience. What this means to me is smooth fast effortless acceleration. A little about me: I race cars and motorcycles at the track (expert level) so I have a good feel for cars and bikes. I ve owned BMW M-cars for about 20-years before switching to Tesla. Now everything other than electric (on the street) feels kind of clunky. Speaking only of daily drivers not weekend track type cars. I went to the Porsche dealer to check out the Taycan 4S with a starting MSRP of \\~$104k and this one was optioned out to around $135k. As you may ascertain by the title it was very disappointing. The car is beautiful to look at I was drooling over it and was ready to order one. However the driving experience left much to be desired. The steering was a bit sloppy compared to my Model 3. The accelerator wasn t as connected to my right foot. It wasn t as smooth as I expected it to be. The car has a transmission and you can feel it. There are downshifts when you step on the accelerator. Transition between no throttle and part throttle was choppy like a non-electric. Regen was weak to non-existent. I couldn t figure out a way to disable creep mode. When reverse-parking visibility out the back was bad and the backup camera was so warpy it was practically useless. In a $100k+ car that s inexcusable! The user interface was all touch with haptic feedback but it failed to register clicks when trying to adjust the A C. Parts of the interior were plasticky. Visibility of the dash behind the steering wheel was limited. Rear seating was tight for such a large car. I didn t test the sound system nor put it through too many paces because the drivability was so rough and I came away disappointed knowing that it s not the right car for me. Next step is to try out the Audi E-Tron GT when it s released but something tells me it ll be similar (based on the same platform). If it is I ll most likely be waiting for the Roadster 2. I m curious if anyone else had a similar (or different) experience. Maybe I just didn t find all the ways to configure the car better? Looking for input. Thank you! \\*\\* EDIT: Taycan has a transmission which I forgot about but didn t expect to feel it so much. | What?! No way. I was lucky enough to drive the Taycan 4S as well. The car I drove had the Performance Battery Pack Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control option Premium Package and a few other visual things here and there. It took a bit of time to set up the car to my liking in terms of user interface but the overall interface wasn t my favourite. I much prefer Tesla s UI in the Model 3 and Y for its simplicity. The screens by default are set up to have force touch enabled with haptic feedback. You can turn that off easily under infotainment settings so that you can just touch without applying any force to register clicks and buttons. This is the same with Audi s latest generation of Infotainment systems. I found the 360 camera to be quite useful when parking because the windows were quite small and visibility behind the driver isn t too great. I definitely relied on the 360 parking system quite a bit when parking to make sure I don t hit anything or curb the rims. Regen happens when you apply the brakes. This way the car isn t trying to automatically slow down in instances where you want to coast around corners. Makes the car a bit more predictable. Regen can also be controlled via paddles on the steering wheel to slow down as needed. The disks only engage under forceful braking scenarios or coming to a complete stop with auto brake hold. Creep mode can be disabled under vehicle settings. You can set it to roll creep or hold. There were some plastics on the lower parts of the car but those are areas are areas that would get scuffed and kicked often anyways so it s better to have a material that can take the abuse of being daily driven. But my impression of the car was that it was built so well. Everything I touched felt so expensive and made me want to baby the car and treat it well. I am definitely not a fan of all the gloss black everywhere though. It does make the car look a bit cheap. But that is easily changed with different materials you can spec. As far as the driving goes my impression was that I was so incredibly connected with the car and the road. Driving in sport plus makes the car feel like this tight nimble missile. I was able to feel the weight of the car which I personally didn t really like but my overall take away was that it drove like a Porsche. Steering was direct and precise and placed the car where I needed it to go and throttle response was night and day between comfort and sport plus. I definitely feel that the Audi Etron GT will be the better choice though as it s basically the same performance with slightly more specs for less money. | Yeah I have a feeling the Audi Etron Gt will probably be the same since it s on the same platform. Listening to a professional race car and motorcycle driver share their experience is very cool and I m quite disappointed in Porsche. I would have thought they could do better | 71 | 12 | 8,359 |
mueyt8 | 50 | Test drove a Taycan 4S - Disappointed compared to Tesla! I currently drive a 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD as a daily driver and although I love the car I wanted something a bit more unique but with the same electric driving experience. What this means to me is smooth fast effortless acceleration. A little about me: I race cars and motorcycles at the track (expert level) so I have a good feel for cars and bikes. I ve owned BMW M-cars for about 20-years before switching to Tesla. Now everything other than electric (on the street) feels kind of clunky. Speaking only of daily drivers not weekend track type cars. I went to the Porsche dealer to check out the Taycan 4S with a starting MSRP of \\~$104k and this one was optioned out to around $135k. As you may ascertain by the title it was very disappointing. The car is beautiful to look at I was drooling over it and was ready to order one. However the driving experience left much to be desired. The steering was a bit sloppy compared to my Model 3. The accelerator wasn t as connected to my right foot. It wasn t as smooth as I expected it to be. The car has a transmission and you can feel it. There are downshifts when you step on the accelerator. Transition between no throttle and part throttle was choppy like a non-electric. Regen was weak to non-existent. I couldn t figure out a way to disable creep mode. When reverse-parking visibility out the back was bad and the backup camera was so warpy it was practically useless. In a $100k+ car that s inexcusable! The user interface was all touch with haptic feedback but it failed to register clicks when trying to adjust the A C. Parts of the interior were plasticky. Visibility of the dash behind the steering wheel was limited. Rear seating was tight for such a large car. I didn t test the sound system nor put it through too many paces because the drivability was so rough and I came away disappointed knowing that it s not the right car for me. Next step is to try out the Audi E-Tron GT when it s released but something tells me it ll be similar (based on the same platform). If it is I ll most likely be waiting for the Roadster 2. I m curious if anyone else had a similar (or different) experience. Maybe I just didn t find all the ways to configure the car better? Looking for input. Thank you! \\*\\* EDIT: Taycan has a transmission which I forgot about but didn t expect to feel it so much. | My driving experience of a Taycan Turbo was absolutely phenomenal. Made my Model S feel like a complete boat. | Probably didn t use the Sports+ It s a nice car. I test-drove the Turbo and Turbo S. Handles amazingly well but you can feel the Model 3 is so much lighter. I think if Tesla tweaks the Model 3 suspension and adds 275mm staggered rears the 3 will be phenomenal to drive. | 49 | 10 | 8,360 |
mueyt8 | 50 | Test drove a Taycan 4S - Disappointed compared to Tesla! I currently drive a 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR AWD as a daily driver and although I love the car I wanted something a bit more unique but with the same electric driving experience. What this means to me is smooth fast effortless acceleration. A little about me: I race cars and motorcycles at the track (expert level) so I have a good feel for cars and bikes. I ve owned BMW M-cars for about 20-years before switching to Tesla. Now everything other than electric (on the street) feels kind of clunky. Speaking only of daily drivers not weekend track type cars. I went to the Porsche dealer to check out the Taycan 4S with a starting MSRP of \\~$104k and this one was optioned out to around $135k. As you may ascertain by the title it was very disappointing. The car is beautiful to look at I was drooling over it and was ready to order one. However the driving experience left much to be desired. The steering was a bit sloppy compared to my Model 3. The accelerator wasn t as connected to my right foot. It wasn t as smooth as I expected it to be. The car has a transmission and you can feel it. There are downshifts when you step on the accelerator. Transition between no throttle and part throttle was choppy like a non-electric. Regen was weak to non-existent. I couldn t figure out a way to disable creep mode. When reverse-parking visibility out the back was bad and the backup camera was so warpy it was practically useless. In a $100k+ car that s inexcusable! The user interface was all touch with haptic feedback but it failed to register clicks when trying to adjust the A C. Parts of the interior were plasticky. Visibility of the dash behind the steering wheel was limited. Rear seating was tight for such a large car. I didn t test the sound system nor put it through too many paces because the drivability was so rough and I came away disappointed knowing that it s not the right car for me. Next step is to try out the Audi E-Tron GT when it s released but something tells me it ll be similar (based on the same platform). If it is I ll most likely be waiting for the Roadster 2. I m curious if anyone else had a similar (or different) experience. Maybe I just didn t find all the ways to configure the car better? Looking for input. Thank you! \\*\\* EDIT: Taycan has a transmission which I forgot about but didn t expect to feel it so much. | My driving experience of a Taycan Turbo was absolutely phenomenal. Made my Model S feel like a complete boat. | Yeah I have a feeling the Audi Etron Gt will probably be the same since it s on the same platform. Listening to a professional race car and motorcycle driver share their experience is very cool and I m quite disappointed in Porsche. I would have thought they could do better | 49 | 12 | 8,361 |
muhyh3 | 25 | Ok all. BMW lease expiring in Aug. Test drove a Model Y and loved it. Can you give me the skinny on what to expect? - need a family car - probably go full autonomous after initial purchase (for the cc points) - live in so cal - any way to get a “better deal”? - been hearing a lot about hidden costs - insurance in Los Angeles??? (Clean record 40s higher education - if they give discount for that??) - any dealership “better” in LA area?? - which rims?? 😂 which tires are more affordable? Hubcaps on the standard!??? Ugh - help me push that button.... | The only real hidden cost is installing a dryer plug in your garage. Depending on how your house is wired that could be a few hundred bucks or $1000+ if your wiring is old and a long run is needed. FWIW I ve had a Model 3 for over 3 years. I still love it like the first day I bought it. No reliability issues. I highly doubt that I ll buy another gas car in my life. | Hey! We re in OC and *just* put an LR MY on order (1st Tesla). Things were pretty upfront so I m not sure what deals there are to get but I d love to know too. If you re interested there were about 3 SRs in the area (no transport fee) as of last week. We had one reserved but opted for a LR. Obviously taxes fees are expected but the sales tax alone is 4k so if budget is iffy on an LR as it is that s something to consider. | 36 | 2 | 8,362 |
muhyh3 | 25 | Ok all. BMW lease expiring in Aug. Test drove a Model Y and loved it. Can you give me the skinny on what to expect? - need a family car - probably go full autonomous after initial purchase (for the cc points) - live in so cal - any way to get a “better deal”? - been hearing a lot about hidden costs - insurance in Los Angeles??? (Clean record 40s higher education - if they give discount for that??) - any dealership “better” in LA area?? - which rims?? 😂 which tires are more affordable? Hubcaps on the standard!??? Ugh - help me push that button.... | The only real hidden cost is installing a dryer plug in your garage. Depending on how your house is wired that could be a few hundred bucks or $1000+ if your wiring is old and a long run is needed. FWIW I ve had a Model 3 for over 3 years. I still love it like the first day I bought it. No reliability issues. I highly doubt that I ll buy another gas car in my life. | Insurance will likely be less through Tesla than your BMW. But depends what you have at the moment. | 36 | 5 | 8,363 |
muhyh3 | 25 | Ok all. BMW lease expiring in Aug. Test drove a Model Y and loved it. Can you give me the skinny on what to expect? - need a family car - probably go full autonomous after initial purchase (for the cc points) - live in so cal - any way to get a “better deal”? - been hearing a lot about hidden costs - insurance in Los Angeles??? (Clean record 40s higher education - if they give discount for that??) - any dealership “better” in LA area?? - which rims?? 😂 which tires are more affordable? Hubcaps on the standard!??? Ugh - help me push that button.... | The only real hidden cost is installing a dryer plug in your garage. Depending on how your house is wired that could be a few hundred bucks or $1000+ if your wiring is old and a long run is needed. FWIW I ve had a Model 3 for over 3 years. I still love it like the first day I bought it. No reliability issues. I highly doubt that I ll buy another gas car in my life. | Wait until the end of quarter might get a better deal but its unlikely | 36 | 5 | 8,364 |
muplxo | 5,549 | Since I m the only Tesla owner at my job with 100s of employees I keep having to hear about the accident non-stop and it s really annoying. Look I don t really care how true or not true the events that reported are(and I m sure they most likely aren t reported accurately). What really annoys me is why is it such a big deal in the first place. I don t mean that to be insensitive to the victims or their families. It s always very disheartening to hear that people lost their lives in car accidents. But do people not understand how many people die in car accidents every single day in the U.S. alone? And this is just one incident. But because it was a Tesla this one time it was a big enough deal to make national news for some reason and all of these unfounded rumors keep spreading without any deep investigation. It just goes to show you how much people have it put for Tesla and EVs in general and how much joy they get from hearing about the potential rare failures they have. These people don t care about the lives lost in these accidents it s all about pushing an anti-EV haha I told you so agenda. And it s incredibly ridiculous and annoying. Like somehow people just feel so vindicated knowing they still drive an ICE because 2 people got killed in an accident in a Tesla. Tons of misinformation tons of people who have no idea how a Tesla or Autopilot even works. And people just completely ready to be smug about this incident. So weird. I don t get it. | Meanwhile our 28 day old Model Y saved my wife s life in a terrible side impact collision after someone ran a red at 50 mph. EMTs were shocked the car didn t roll over and that my wife had no cuts or obvious broken bones. Tesla immediately called her to see if she needed assistance and the app notified me there was a serious failure with the car. The videos the car provided were crucial to establish blame so we can focus on my wife s recovery and not he said she said BS with insurance. I m now embarrassed that I was ever so focused on the panel gaps and paint when this thing did so much to protect my family. Can t imagine putting her in anything else. | I was fooled by the media for years. Their fake news held me back on the investment until 2019. Went all in since then. Never trust the media without verification. | 1,360 | 2 | 8,365 |
muplxo | 5,549 | Since I m the only Tesla owner at my job with 100s of employees I keep having to hear about the accident non-stop and it s really annoying. Look I don t really care how true or not true the events that reported are(and I m sure they most likely aren t reported accurately). What really annoys me is why is it such a big deal in the first place. I don t mean that to be insensitive to the victims or their families. It s always very disheartening to hear that people lost their lives in car accidents. But do people not understand how many people die in car accidents every single day in the U.S. alone? And this is just one incident. But because it was a Tesla this one time it was a big enough deal to make national news for some reason and all of these unfounded rumors keep spreading without any deep investigation. It just goes to show you how much people have it put for Tesla and EVs in general and how much joy they get from hearing about the potential rare failures they have. These people don t care about the lives lost in these accidents it s all about pushing an anti-EV haha I told you so agenda. And it s incredibly ridiculous and annoying. Like somehow people just feel so vindicated knowing they still drive an ICE because 2 people got killed in an accident in a Tesla. Tons of misinformation tons of people who have no idea how a Tesla or Autopilot even works. And people just completely ready to be smug about this incident. So weird. I don t get it. | Meanwhile our 28 day old Model Y saved my wife s life in a terrible side impact collision after someone ran a red at 50 mph. EMTs were shocked the car didn t roll over and that my wife had no cuts or obvious broken bones. Tesla immediately called her to see if she needed assistance and the app notified me there was a serious failure with the car. The videos the car provided were crucial to establish blame so we can focus on my wife s recovery and not he said she said BS with insurance. I m now embarrassed that I was ever so focused on the panel gaps and paint when this thing did so much to protect my family. Can t imagine putting her in anything else. | Tesla is amazing at getting free press | 1,360 | 2 | 8,366 |
muplxo | 5,549 | Since I m the only Tesla owner at my job with 100s of employees I keep having to hear about the accident non-stop and it s really annoying. Look I don t really care how true or not true the events that reported are(and I m sure they most likely aren t reported accurately). What really annoys me is why is it such a big deal in the first place. I don t mean that to be insensitive to the victims or their families. It s always very disheartening to hear that people lost their lives in car accidents. But do people not understand how many people die in car accidents every single day in the U.S. alone? And this is just one incident. But because it was a Tesla this one time it was a big enough deal to make national news for some reason and all of these unfounded rumors keep spreading without any deep investigation. It just goes to show you how much people have it put for Tesla and EVs in general and how much joy they get from hearing about the potential rare failures they have. These people don t care about the lives lost in these accidents it s all about pushing an anti-EV haha I told you so agenda. And it s incredibly ridiculous and annoying. Like somehow people just feel so vindicated knowing they still drive an ICE because 2 people got killed in an accident in a Tesla. Tons of misinformation tons of people who have no idea how a Tesla or Autopilot even works. And people just completely ready to be smug about this incident. So weird. I don t get it. | Meanwhile our 28 day old Model Y saved my wife s life in a terrible side impact collision after someone ran a red at 50 mph. EMTs were shocked the car didn t roll over and that my wife had no cuts or obvious broken bones. Tesla immediately called her to see if she needed assistance and the app notified me there was a serious failure with the car. The videos the car provided were crucial to establish blame so we can focus on my wife s recovery and not he said she said BS with insurance. I m now embarrassed that I was ever so focused on the panel gaps and paint when this thing did so much to protect my family. Can t imagine putting her in anything else. | If it bleeds it leads! This isn t going to change ever. | 1,360 | 2 | 8,367 |
mupr7o | 26 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Model 3 Remove ability for someone to format the sentry mode hard drive while in valet mode. | Model S (and 3): Stack batteries under rear seats and lower the rear foot well as seen in the Taycan and E-Tron GT. Hopefully they thought of that for the refreshed Model S. | 47 | 2 | 8,368 |
mupr7o | 26 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Model 3 Remove ability for someone to format the sentry mode hard drive while in valet mode. | easier way to turn headlights on off or auto \\- provide voice commands \\- use the icons on the left side of the screen to toggle | 47 | 3 | 8,369 |
mupr7o | 26 | Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks. | Model 3 Remove ability for someone to format the sentry mode hard drive while in valet mode. | • Indirect TPMS toggle for 2nd set of wheels or winter wheels (eliminates expensive TPMS sensor) • Freezing rain mode to keep cabin at > 5°C in winter to stop freezing rain from accumulating on glass and door handles • Smart regen to simulate regen in cold weather with brakes to always have same driving feeling • Cycle HVAC recirculate and outside air in winter to improve heating efficiency without fogging up windows • Digital supercharger queue on center display: «You re next pull in to spot 3A» • « Door pop » button in app to open doors if handles are frozen • « Rocking mode » to get out of snow using IMU | 47 | 3 | 8,370 |
muvtla | 60 | 2014 Model S - Catastrophic Battery Failure Hi All I woke one morning last week to a car with zero battery % and it was so dead the charge port would not open. Couple of days later Tesla confirm it was a complete battery failure which is covered under warranty. Mileage was 118k km for those interested. I m told it will take 3 weeks to replace. Couple of questions: - Tesla are not providing a loaner car (Ireland). Is this standard? - The car is 85kw battery. Do Tesla have these in stock or so we get a new reconditioned battery? - 3 week timeline. Anyone else with experience if that s accurate? - What is the warranty on the battery when it s replaced? (I ll be checking when I get the car back anyway) I m considering a trade in should I ask Tesla for a quote before the battery is replaced? Would they consider the replacement cost and try to make it worth my while to trade in? Thanks! Edit: mileage is not 118km it s 118k km | Your warranty would have expired in less than a year right? Lucky if so | Your battery will most likely be replaced with a newer higher capacity battery pack. It be an actual 85 kWh but at 350 volts instead of 400 volts. They pretty much use a 100 kWh pack but remove 2 modules. So you will have a bit less power but more range. | 31 | 2 | 8,371 |
mv52a2 | 23 | What do you do with your keys? What does everyone do with their keys since you don t have to worry about a car key or key fob? I only have two physical keys one for my house one for my girlfriend s. Without a key fob I hate carrying around only two keys. I bought one of [these](https: www.amazon.com Lucky-Line-90901-Wallet-Hider dp B003HFSUCK) but it s just a bit too bulky and bends some of my cards. I was excited to lose the key and key fob but now I don t know where to store my other two keys. | Get a smart lock | garage door is my main entrance to the house so no key needed. | 105 | 42 | 8,372 |
mv52a2 | 23 | What do you do with your keys? What does everyone do with their keys since you don t have to worry about a car key or key fob? I only have two physical keys one for my house one for my girlfriend s. Without a key fob I hate carrying around only two keys. I bought one of [these](https: www.amazon.com Lucky-Line-90901-Wallet-Hider dp B003HFSUCK) but it s just a bit too bulky and bends some of my cards. I was excited to lose the key and key fob but now I don t know where to store my other two keys. | I put them in my pocket. | I find that 5th pant pocket now very useful in securing just 2 sets of fobless keys. | 30 | 3 | 8,373 |
mv52a2 | 23 | What do you do with your keys? What does everyone do with their keys since you don t have to worry about a car key or key fob? I only have two physical keys one for my house one for my girlfriend s. Without a key fob I hate carrying around only two keys. I bought one of [these](https: www.amazon.com Lucky-Line-90901-Wallet-Hider dp B003HFSUCK) but it s just a bit too bulky and bends some of my cards. I was excited to lose the key and key fob but now I don t know where to store my other two keys. | I put them in my pocket. | r FirstWorldProblems | 30 | 3 | 8,374 |
mv5fuw | 24 | Questions about regen braking. How do you come to a complete stop in time? EDIT: I now have plenty of of helpful feedback. Thanks to everyone who commented below. Cant wait to get my hands on a Tesla in fall 2022. So as I m looking at getting my first Tesla a Model Y in 2022 im jusy wondering how differently regen braking and one pedal driving works from traditional braking. How exactly do you actually hit your mark when stopping? The LAST thing i want to do when first getting it is misjudging and rear ending someone. I take it i will likely make heavy use of traditional brakes as I get used to it? | Your problem will be the opposite. When you drive an old fashioned car you will find yourself slamming on the brakes at the last minute wondering why the heck the car kept going when you were not pushing the accelerator! | It only takes a drive or two to get used to it and then you will rarely use your breaks. I think I only use my breaks when someone cuts me off or if its cold and the regen is limited. | 44 | 7 | 8,375 |
mv5fuw | 24 | Questions about regen braking. How do you come to a complete stop in time? EDIT: I now have plenty of of helpful feedback. Thanks to everyone who commented below. Cant wait to get my hands on a Tesla in fall 2022. So as I m looking at getting my first Tesla a Model Y in 2022 im jusy wondering how differently regen braking and one pedal driving works from traditional braking. How exactly do you actually hit your mark when stopping? The LAST thing i want to do when first getting it is misjudging and rear ending someone. I take it i will likely make heavy use of traditional brakes as I get used to it? | Your problem will be the opposite. When you drive an old fashioned car you will find yourself slamming on the brakes at the last minute wondering why the heck the car kept going when you were not pushing the accelerator! | After driving it one day you ll get a sense on the stopping power that the regen braking has. The real kicker is if you live in an area that gets cold in the winter. That first really cold day with almost no regen braking can be startling at first. | 44 | 11 | 8,376 |
mvkrmm | 31 | Can you still open your tesla doors if your car is our of battery? A friend is arguing with me saying that if your tesla runs out of battery that you are unable to open the doors. I thought that the doors operated off a separate 12 volt battery so if the main battery was out of juice you could still get inside until that battery is out. | The front doors have mechanical levers. These levers should only be used in time of emergencies. Since it might damage the windows or its frames when used. | Yes but if 12 volt is dead no. I had to jump my MX 12v to get the doors open last year. | 87 | 4 | 8,377 |
mvkrmm | 31 | Can you still open your tesla doors if your car is our of battery? A friend is arguing with me saying that if your tesla runs out of battery that you are unable to open the doors. I thought that the doors operated off a separate 12 volt battery so if the main battery was out of juice you could still get inside until that battery is out. | Just to clarify for 3 Y If HV battery is dead but 12V is alive then doors should function as normal although the 12v probably won t last long without the HV topping it off. If 12V is dead doors will stop functioning. If you are on the inside in the front you can use the manual release. If you are on the inside in the rear you will not have access to a emergency release unless you do this [mod](https: youtu.be 54UsqZGnGGM) ~~If you are on the inside rear of a 2020+ vehicle you should have access to this factory installed [pull tab](https: youtu.be m6reH0Csyzk)~~ **April fools video done too well lol I ll admit when I m tricked. The mod above still stands tho if you are worried about being trapped.** If you are on the outside open up the tow hook cover in the front bumper and locate two cables hidden inside connect a 9v battery and the frunk should pop open then you can jump the battery and get everything running. Disclaimer: check your specific vehicle for factory installed safety devices don t assume based on model year. Edit: formatting Edit edit: I hate April fools | Not on the Model 3. If you re out of 12V power you re trapped in the back (unless you want to climb out through the front). Model X and S have emergency cables you can pull. Model S under the carpet behind near your legs and Model X under the speaker grill. | 78 | 2 | 8,378 |
mvkrmm | 31 | Can you still open your tesla doors if your car is our of battery? A friend is arguing with me saying that if your tesla runs out of battery that you are unable to open the doors. I thought that the doors operated off a separate 12 volt battery so if the main battery was out of juice you could still get inside until that battery is out. | The front doors have mechanical levers. These levers should only be used in time of emergencies. Since it might damage the windows or its frames when used. | Doors are off the 12v that is correct. S doors are physical cable link so those can be pulled whenever. There is a backup release for all of them though I believe. 3 Y for sure have emergency releases. These are all on the inside though. I m not sure about from the outside having a physical link. | 87 | 12 | 8,379 |
mvmuct | 23 | 2012-2013 Model S Teslas Hello I ve been considering getting a Tesla I noticed the 2012-2013 Model S versions have been now selling for under $20 000. I feel like I know what I m getting into the cars won t have any self driving features or get the newest software. I researched the MCU and ECU situation I may be able to upgrade them to enable auto pilot? Please give me some thoughts on buying one. Would love some feedback or warnings of doing so. | 2012-2013 model year cars do not have any autopilot hardware on board. Only cars manufactured after September 2014 do and those use the MobileEye single camera system referred to as AP1. You will not be able to gain any autopilot features by upgrading the MCU. | I wouldn t bet on getting more than autopilot v1. I ve heard of some places swapping out the parts on these earlier cars but getting up to the latest AP is going to be a stretch. Upgrading a 2013 to MCU2 is worth doing and will get you the latest software. Overall these early cars should have had most work done but it is certainly now out of warranty so be prepared for issues that you have to pay to get fixed. | 56 | 2 | 8,380 |
mvros9 | 23 | Issue with HOA and installing a NEMA 14-50 Hello everyone! I rent a condo in Davis CA and just recently ordered a Model Y. I commute out to Oakland and was looking forward to installing a Nema 14-50 outlet in my assigned carport parking spot. I reached out to my property manager to politely let her know that I wanted to know how to begin the process to install such a plug but she told me that the owner is not interested sorry . Now am I correct in that they legally cannot say no to me installing a charger at my assigned parking spot? I am baffled because I did not expect this answer since installing an outlet that allows charging seems like a huge plus for a property. Is there a special way I should ask again? Anyone nearby encounter a similar situation? Thank you guys ahead of time! UPDATE: Thank you all for your insight and advice! It feels good knowing that this community is full of friendly and helpful people! Good news everyone! I managed to locate a convenient 240v 50A outlet at work that I have been given permission to use! This will give me enough to commute between work and home. I still plan on talking with my property manager peacefully and letting her know that I would still be interested in a home charger if she ends up changing her stance. | HOAs are always assholes. Get approved and installed before buying the car. | Try getting a quick 220 may not be as fast as a 14-50 charge but headache from HOA would be reduced and no crazy installation required | 54 | 4 | 8,381 |
mvros9 | 23 | Issue with HOA and installing a NEMA 14-50 Hello everyone! I rent a condo in Davis CA and just recently ordered a Model Y. I commute out to Oakland and was looking forward to installing a Nema 14-50 outlet in my assigned carport parking spot. I reached out to my property manager to politely let her know that I wanted to know how to begin the process to install such a plug but she told me that the owner is not interested sorry . Now am I correct in that they legally cannot say no to me installing a charger at my assigned parking spot? I am baffled because I did not expect this answer since installing an outlet that allows charging seems like a huge plus for a property. Is there a special way I should ask again? Anyone nearby encounter a similar situation? Thank you guys ahead of time! UPDATE: Thank you all for your insight and advice! It feels good knowing that this community is full of friendly and helpful people! Good news everyone! I managed to locate a convenient 240v 50A outlet at work that I have been given permission to use! This will give me enough to commute between work and home. I still plan on talking with my property manager peacefully and letting her know that I would still be interested in a home charger if she ends up changing her stance. | HOAs are always assholes. Get approved and installed before buying the car. | [https: www.kts-law.com electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords ](https: www.kts-law.com electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords ) | 54 | 28 | 8,382 |
mvwnvh | 105 | Tesla Model Y AWD vs Ford Mach-E AWD Range Comparison InsideEV s just completed their [70MPH range test](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=nTXiXzROknY) with the AWD Mach-E. It exceeded it s EPA range (270mi) by 15mi for a total of 285mi. The Model Y AWD EPA rated for 326mi achieved 276mi at 70MPH which is 50mi less than it s rated range. Similar data continues to roll in from multiple sources including Alex On Auto s who did a [side-by-side comparison showing the Mach-E had superior range](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=lSmSiOo-v8s). [Here is a graph](https: cdn.motor1.com images custom ievs-70-mph-vs-epa-highway-range-20210421.png) from Inside EV s showing their testing and the EPA ratings. I love Tesla but with all these other EV s achieving at or near their advertised range they need to more accurately report their range. Eventually the EPA will change the rating protocol and Tesla will need to de-rate their lineup. | Yep this is spot on from what ive seen also. I guess you gotta blame the EPA in addition to Tesla. Anyway in terms of actual efficiency and cost per mile the model y still beats the mach e pretty handily. I forget the exact numbers there. The mach e just has a bigger battery. Honestly 70mph for an electric is not where you would expect the best range. Makes the mach e more impressive. If anything I think it should just have its rated range increased and the model Ys should come down a bit to maybe 300(which you get driving 65). | 100% agree that there needs to be a more comparable range given by the EPA. I do wonder if Tesla has figured out what needs to be done to optimize the EPA estimate vs. real world range. However from the numbers you ve given here it s a bit silly to call the Mach-E range superior to the model Y. It s a 9 mile difference which is certainly within measurement error. Tesla Bjorn also likes to point out that range (particularly for long trips) is really a combination of battery range and fast charging speed. And the model Y charging speed are superior to the Mach-E charging speed. Add to that the dependability of the supercharger network compared to other 150kw+ charging stations and the model Y is still a much better road trip car. | 40 | 14 | 8,383 |
mwx662 | 136 | Autopilot is a Good Name This is just my two cents from a relatively new Tesla owner. I hear a lot of dislike for the Autopilot name for Tesla s driver assistance software. People say that this encourages bad habits like trying to have the car drive while asleep or while they are not in the driver s seat. This seems way off-base to me. I will note most of my experience with the aeronautical side of this is on sims and from watching documentaries but it is clear that even in planes autopilot is not a set it and forget it system. If a commercial airliner is on autopilot and a problem occurs the pilots are expected to be immediately ready to intervene. And I m sure there are idiots with private planes that set the autopilot and go to sleep in the cabin with a timer to wake up before landing. But if a crash was to occur and the pilots excuse was autopilot was running so we were taking a break they would be immediately blamed and either go to jail or at least never fly again. This is no different than what a Tesla expects on autopilot. It will take care of the controls most of the time but you better be ready to take over when there is a situation that it can t handle. Now I make no excuse for Musk s claims of Level 5 just around the corner there are way too many situations on autopilot and NOA that the system either can t handle or tries to take in a way that no human driver would find reasonable. But at the same time there is nothing in the car s documentation that would lead me to believe that this is the right way to drive the car. It takes actively looking to bypass safety measures in which case you take the risk into your own hands. Sorry for the rant but I get annoyed at a lot of the articles coming out lately. | I don t have a problem with the name Autopilot. Where it gets muddy is Full Self Driving. I understand it s basically a kickstarter for future capability but there s a lot of new buyers that aren t familiar with all the ins and outs of what it can and can t do and the name is misleading. They should have stuck with Enhanced Autopilot and not started selling FSD until they were ready for a wide rollout of of the FSD beta City Streets feature complete whatever you wanna call it. That is still far from a *fully self driving* car but it s much less ambiguous. It s Level 2 FSD that will improve over time. | Autopilot has also been used throughout automotive history without issue. Chrysler called their implementation of cruise control Auto-pilot in the late 1950s: https: www.curbsideclassic.com blog history automotive-history-capsule-chryslers-1958-auto-pilot-56-years-before-teslas-autopilot | 78 | 22 | 8,384 |
mx4jpd | 183 | National Parks lack superchargers I have a 19 model 3. Love the car. In 2019 when I took a trip through Yellowstone there were no superchargers and it made the trip very stressful. Looking into doing a trip to Glacier NP this summer and running into the same problem. Any ideas why there is such a lack of superchargers in US national parks? | Not sure about those two in particular but I ve been to a lot of parks where both the internet and power infrastructure was clearly minimal. So I imagine the cost to get a supercharger in place would be much higher than normal. It s a shame because it really makes some places impractical especially for SR+ owners. I d really like to see some government funding for EV chargers in national parks but I imagine those would have to be CCS. ^(CCS adapter when Tesla?) | Check PlugShare to see if there are other compatible chargers nearby. | 61 | 18 | 8,385 |
mx4jpd | 183 | National Parks lack superchargers I have a 19 model 3. Love the car. In 2019 when I took a trip through Yellowstone there were no superchargers and it made the trip very stressful. Looking into doing a trip to Glacier NP this summer and running into the same problem. Any ideas why there is such a lack of superchargers in US national parks? | Rivian is planning to do this with their adventure network but they ll be locked to Rivian so maybe the competition will make Tesla install some too. | Who exactly is going to pay for them and all the required infrastructure? Edit: [To everyone downvoting me](https: i.kym-cdn.com photos images newsfeed 001 279 386 6aa.jpg) What you want how you think it works and how it actually works are two VERY different things. Unless Tesla is willing to donate a charger electricity using a standardized plug this will _never_ happen. | 41 | 8 | 8,386 |
mx4jpd | 183 | National Parks lack superchargers I have a 19 model 3. Love the car. In 2019 when I took a trip through Yellowstone there were no superchargers and it made the trip very stressful. Looking into doing a trip to Glacier NP this summer and running into the same problem. Any ideas why there is such a lack of superchargers in US national parks? | Rivian is planning to do this with their adventure network but they ll be locked to Rivian so maybe the competition will make Tesla install some too. | If you stay somewhere with a plain ol electrical outlet you can use the charger that came with your vehicle for a boost. We ve gotten away with that numerous times on road trips through the central US where charging infrastructure is very limited. Enjoy your adventure! Sounds delightful. | 41 | 12 | 8,387 |
mx9n2l | 155 | Tesla Solar Roof offered me a complementary Power Wall. Anyone else with a pending order get this too? I placed my order for a solar roof back in November of 2020 when I picked up a 90D MX and since then there s been a ridiculous price hike of nearly 40%. I just got an email from Tesla stating that they d like to offer me a Power Wall for not additional cost and my new agreement would be sent out in the next week with the new price tag. Keep in mind I already had a signed agreement around February and got all permits approved by my city in March. Just wondering if I m the only one. | So they re now literally giving them away but here I am with panels already $20K in my pocket and they WON T FUCKING SELL ME ONE. | Just got it | 67 | 2 | 8,388 |
mx9n2l | 155 | Tesla Solar Roof offered me a complementary Power Wall. Anyone else with a pending order get this too? I placed my order for a solar roof back in November of 2020 when I picked up a 90D MX and since then there s been a ridiculous price hike of nearly 40%. I just got an email from Tesla stating that they d like to offer me a Power Wall for not additional cost and my new agreement would be sent out in the next week with the new price tag. Keep in mind I already had a signed agreement around February and got all permits approved by my city in March. Just wondering if I m the only one. | So they re now literally giving them away but here I am with panels already $20K in my pocket and they WON T FUCKING SELL ME ONE. | That s part of their new initiative. It s all bundled going forward. | 67 | 3 | 8,389 |
mx9n2l | 155 | Tesla Solar Roof offered me a complementary Power Wall. Anyone else with a pending order get this too? I placed my order for a solar roof back in November of 2020 when I picked up a 90D MX and since then there s been a ridiculous price hike of nearly 40%. I just got an email from Tesla stating that they d like to offer me a Power Wall for not additional cost and my new agreement would be sent out in the next week with the new price tag. Keep in mind I already had a signed agreement around February and got all permits approved by my city in March. Just wondering if I m the only one. | So they re now literally giving them away but here I am with panels already $20K in my pocket and they WON T FUCKING SELL ME ONE. | I just got the email. Definitely makes the price hike a bit more palatable | 67 | 4 | 8,390 |
mxiz01 | 23 | 240V line in garage- Amperage? Construction on our new house has begun and soon the builder will ask me where I want the 240V outlet in the garage for my future Tesla. Please forgive my ignorance but is there a certain minimum amperage on this line I should request? Because if he asks me I d stupidly blurt out something like 2.4 Gigawatts ought to do it. | New home plan for the future as now is the cheapest and easiest to do so. First you will want to install a 320amp Meter pedestal (or larger if your service provider allows). This will allow you to drop a 200amp main panel into your basement for the house. And a 100amp main panel in your garage. You want to do it this way because otherwise you ll be pulling a sub-panel off your basement. Eventually you ll run out of amperage “capacity” per code and breaker spots. The difference in cost is maybe $500 now. To upgrade later will cost $2500 or more. Then for your garage depending on panel location vs car locations run high strand count heavy gauge wire to handle 100amps to a junction. And then split that again with the same wire to handle 100amps to where you would place hard connected wall mounts. Your electrician should read up on EV charger install best practices and select the right wire. This will give you the most flexibility in the future to charge any vehicle at 80amps or balance charge a couple vehicles at 40amps on one 100amp circuit. The cost to put in 100amp capable wire vs 60 amp is maybe $200 now. Vs $1300 later to run the wire. And then I would still drop in a Nema 15-50 plug under the panel that you could plug a mobile charger into. (Or EV lawn mower or whatever the future brings). This setup is what is needed for a two Tesla household. And future proofs for faster home charging or a third BEV household (if you have kids that will be driving in 5 years). It ALSO helps future proof for solar and battery backup as you can isolate the house from EV charging and helps give enough panel Buss bar load capacity for a 11Kw+ solar system. | An ‘outlet will be 50amps max anything more requires a hardwire connection. You can find a chart of miles added per hour at various amperage ratings and compare that to your daily needs. | 42 | 2 | 8,391 |
mxiz01 | 23 | 240V line in garage- Amperage? Construction on our new house has begun and soon the builder will ask me where I want the 240V outlet in the garage for my future Tesla. Please forgive my ignorance but is there a certain minimum amperage on this line I should request? Because if he asks me I d stupidly blurt out something like 2.4 Gigawatts ought to do it. | New home plan for the future as now is the cheapest and easiest to do so. First you will want to install a 320amp Meter pedestal (or larger if your service provider allows). This will allow you to drop a 200amp main panel into your basement for the house. And a 100amp main panel in your garage. You want to do it this way because otherwise you ll be pulling a sub-panel off your basement. Eventually you ll run out of amperage “capacity” per code and breaker spots. The difference in cost is maybe $500 now. To upgrade later will cost $2500 or more. Then for your garage depending on panel location vs car locations run high strand count heavy gauge wire to handle 100amps to a junction. And then split that again with the same wire to handle 100amps to where you would place hard connected wall mounts. Your electrician should read up on EV charger install best practices and select the right wire. This will give you the most flexibility in the future to charge any vehicle at 80amps or balance charge a couple vehicles at 40amps on one 100amp circuit. The cost to put in 100amp capable wire vs 60 amp is maybe $200 now. Vs $1300 later to run the wire. And then I would still drop in a Nema 15-50 plug under the panel that you could plug a mobile charger into. (Or EV lawn mower or whatever the future brings). This setup is what is needed for a two Tesla household. And future proofs for faster home charging or a third BEV household (if you have kids that will be driving in 5 years). It ALSO helps future proof for solar and battery backup as you can isolate the house from EV charging and helps give enough panel Buss bar load capacity for a 11Kw+ solar system. | 60A circuit for Tesla wall connector. The different outlets have different amp ratings.. If you have them run 6 2 then your wire will support the 60A circuit. You can always put a lower amp breaker in if you wanted to use it as an outlet until you have a wall connector that can take advantage of the 60A circuit | 42 | 6 | 8,392 |
mxiz01 | 23 | 240V line in garage- Amperage? Construction on our new house has begun and soon the builder will ask me where I want the 240V outlet in the garage for my future Tesla. Please forgive my ignorance but is there a certain minimum amperage on this line I should request? Because if he asks me I d stupidly blurt out something like 2.4 Gigawatts ought to do it. | New home plan for the future as now is the cheapest and easiest to do so. First you will want to install a 320amp Meter pedestal (or larger if your service provider allows). This will allow you to drop a 200amp main panel into your basement for the house. And a 100amp main panel in your garage. You want to do it this way because otherwise you ll be pulling a sub-panel off your basement. Eventually you ll run out of amperage “capacity” per code and breaker spots. The difference in cost is maybe $500 now. To upgrade later will cost $2500 or more. Then for your garage depending on panel location vs car locations run high strand count heavy gauge wire to handle 100amps to a junction. And then split that again with the same wire to handle 100amps to where you would place hard connected wall mounts. Your electrician should read up on EV charger install best practices and select the right wire. This will give you the most flexibility in the future to charge any vehicle at 80amps or balance charge a couple vehicles at 40amps on one 100amp circuit. The cost to put in 100amp capable wire vs 60 amp is maybe $200 now. Vs $1300 later to run the wire. And then I would still drop in a Nema 15-50 plug under the panel that you could plug a mobile charger into. (Or EV lawn mower or whatever the future brings). This setup is what is needed for a two Tesla household. And future proofs for faster home charging or a third BEV household (if you have kids that will be driving in 5 years). It ALSO helps future proof for solar and battery backup as you can isolate the house from EV charging and helps give enough panel Buss bar load capacity for a 11Kw+ solar system. | 50-60 amp are the largest home charges I have seen to date especially since the on board chargers typically around 10KW on most EVs. | 42 | 11 | 8,393 |
mxs9oc | 29 | Best features to show during Test Drive? Hey everyone my father and I will test drive a M3 next week and I was wondering what your top features to show and convince him would be? I am pretty familiar with Tesla and their cars but have never driven one myself and neither has he. He is the CEO of a medium-size company from Germany and looking to replace their company cars with EVs and since I think Teslas are by far the best option I really want him to get the most out of that drive. I would love to hear some opinions from experienced owners! | Let him test drive it.....the company already did the hard work for it. It ll sell itself. Day 24 still in love | Auto pilot 😏😏 | 55 | 8 | 8,394 |
mxzrw9 | 47 | Model S Order Notification I ordered my Model S a couple of weeks after the refresh announcement and have heard absolutely nothing about production or delivery. Has anyone on here ordered the new model S and received any word on production? I m trading in my model 3 and got an offer from Tesla but it is ridiculous because it s only good for 30 days (which is now over) and have no idea what they will give me for the trade once my Model S finally gets delivered - which I would hope is sometime this year. Thanks for any information. | Elon said deliveries start end of February for plaid and March for long range. So only about 10 more months and we should start seeing them!! 😎 | Which model 3? | 118 | 2 | 8,395 |
mxzrw9 | 47 | Model S Order Notification I ordered my Model S a couple of weeks after the refresh announcement and have heard absolutely nothing about production or delivery. Has anyone on here ordered the new model S and received any word on production? I m trading in my model 3 and got an offer from Tesla but it is ridiculous because it s only good for 30 days (which is now over) and have no idea what they will give me for the trade once my Model S finally gets delivered - which I would hope is sometime this year. Thanks for any information. | Elon said deliveries start end of February for plaid and March for long range. So only about 10 more months and we should start seeing them!! 😎 | Plaid late summer fall | 118 | 3 | 8,396 |
mxzrw9 | 47 | Model S Order Notification I ordered my Model S a couple of weeks after the refresh announcement and have heard absolutely nothing about production or delivery. Has anyone on here ordered the new model S and received any word on production? I m trading in my model 3 and got an offer from Tesla but it is ridiculous because it s only good for 30 days (which is now over) and have no idea what they will give me for the trade once my Model S finally gets delivered - which I would hope is sometime this year. Thanks for any information. | Elon said deliveries start end of February for plaid and March for long range. So only about 10 more months and we should start seeing them!! 😎 | What d they offer for the Model 3 and how many miles? | 118 | 4 | 8,397 |
my4wug | 26 | Long Time Lurker... Please Help Me Make an Educated Decision I ve been wanting to join the Tesla family for a while now... I am finally in the position to do so! I am currently stationed in California returning from a seven month deployment.. cleared my personal debt to zero minus our house and car. I know there is some legislative work out there to incentivize clean energy hoping to see what that will look like before committing. To cut to the point I m torn between all the models. It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. My heart really wants to go for a refreshed model S but the price is steep. I m honestly not opposed to a used model private or dealer sold. Looking for suggestions or things to consider that may get over looked. I m willing to wait if that would be the best COA. Some history.... I went from a ride with 400HP in Germany to a 2015 Lexus CT200h. My soul died a little bit but the import tax was stupid and not worth working through. Help a guy recover his sanity. Suggestions? | & #x200B > It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. Are you going to add another wife? You cant do that here. | Don t count on any legislation at all. Gridlock in DC is obscene at the current political moment and the GOP won t wanna give Biden a win for anything on his climate initiatives. My philosophy is spent what you want can What does the S do have that the 3 doesn t? Then you weigh those abilities with the cost and you have to choose if they re worth it. I view the 3 Y as the “people s” car of Tesla. I wouldn t even look at a model S if I wasn t clearing 6 figures on my own. But that s me. Good luck though! | 53 | 2 | 8,398 |
my4wug | 26 | Long Time Lurker... Please Help Me Make an Educated Decision I ve been wanting to join the Tesla family for a while now... I am finally in the position to do so! I am currently stationed in California returning from a seven month deployment.. cleared my personal debt to zero minus our house and car. I know there is some legislative work out there to incentivize clean energy hoping to see what that will look like before committing. To cut to the point I m torn between all the models. It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. My heart really wants to go for a refreshed model S but the price is steep. I m honestly not opposed to a used model private or dealer sold. Looking for suggestions or things to consider that may get over looked. I m willing to wait if that would be the best COA. Some history.... I went from a ride with 400HP in Germany to a 2015 Lexus CT200h. My soul died a little bit but the import tax was stupid and not worth working through. Help a guy recover his sanity. Suggestions? | & #x200B > It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. Are you going to add another wife? You cant do that here. | I got nothing but welcome home and good luck regardless of which model! | 53 | 2 | 8,399 |
my4wug | 26 | Long Time Lurker... Please Help Me Make an Educated Decision I ve been wanting to join the Tesla family for a while now... I am finally in the position to do so! I am currently stationed in California returning from a seven month deployment.. cleared my personal debt to zero minus our house and car. I know there is some legislative work out there to incentivize clean energy hoping to see what that will look like before committing. To cut to the point I m torn between all the models. It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. My heart really wants to go for a refreshed model S but the price is steep. I m honestly not opposed to a used model private or dealer sold. Looking for suggestions or things to consider that may get over looked. I m willing to wait if that would be the best COA. Some history.... I went from a ride with 400HP in Germany to a 2015 Lexus CT200h. My soul died a little bit but the import tax was stupid and not worth working through. Help a guy recover his sanity. Suggestions? | & #x200B > It s just me and the wife currently but looking to add potentially. Are you going to add another wife? You cant do that here. | If you can afford it get the refreshed S. Elon said nothing else even comes close and he s always right about these things. | 53 | 16 | 8,400 |
myg9gf | 80 | Will OTA ever make TACC not rubber band so much in traffic? As a human in traffic you have a pretty good sense of the flow of traffic and can modulate your speed and follow distance such that you don t rubber band too much (the leading cause of traffic jams). TACC in its current form is pretty bad about weirdly lagging behind the situation. Ideally you maintain follow distance like you have a bar between you and the car in front of you (with slight allowance for not being jerky). You allow the distance to gradually increase if it appears that speed will remain high. I d think a decent engineer could write a basic follow distance algorithm in a few hours that would be drastically better than the current approach. With the underlying FSD architecture s awareness of the surroundings this should be quite simple to improve upon. | The thing that bugs me is how if the car in front moves up a bit it will lurch towards it and then slam the brakes when it slows down again - enough to make everyone in the car lurch forward in their seat as it brakes. | A couple of behaviours were added to AP in the last year or so which could be considered odd or good depending on your mindset. The first is that if you re in a clear lane and other lanes start to slow suddenly the car will also slow even though there s nothing in front. This is because of the possibility of someone diving out of the slow lane and into your clear lane. IMHO this is good behaviour and something human drivers should do as well because it is anticipating potential trouble. The second thing is when someone is following really close behind you (tailgating) the car will increase the stopping distance in front even if this means it drops below the set speed. I ve noticed this multiple times and again that s something I would also do when dealing with a tailgater. Something AP has done for a long time is see more than we do and it will respond to slowing traffic that we can t necessarily see yet. This means it will slow when a human driver may not because the car is aware that the lane in front is slowing suddenly before we even see brake lights directly in front of us. | 62 | 2 | 8,401 |
myg9gf | 80 | Will OTA ever make TACC not rubber band so much in traffic? As a human in traffic you have a pretty good sense of the flow of traffic and can modulate your speed and follow distance such that you don t rubber band too much (the leading cause of traffic jams). TACC in its current form is pretty bad about weirdly lagging behind the situation. Ideally you maintain follow distance like you have a bar between you and the car in front of you (with slight allowance for not being jerky). You allow the distance to gradually increase if it appears that speed will remain high. I d think a decent engineer could write a basic follow distance algorithm in a few hours that would be drastically better than the current approach. With the underlying FSD architecture s awareness of the surroundings this should be quite simple to improve upon. | The thing that bugs me is how if the car in front moves up a bit it will lurch towards it and then slam the brakes when it slows down again - enough to make everyone in the car lurch forward in their seat as it brakes. | FSD Beta drivers more like a person and isn t delayed like normal TACC. | 62 | 4 | 8,402 |
myg9gf | 80 | Will OTA ever make TACC not rubber band so much in traffic? As a human in traffic you have a pretty good sense of the flow of traffic and can modulate your speed and follow distance such that you don t rubber band too much (the leading cause of traffic jams). TACC in its current form is pretty bad about weirdly lagging behind the situation. Ideally you maintain follow distance like you have a bar between you and the car in front of you (with slight allowance for not being jerky). You allow the distance to gradually increase if it appears that speed will remain high. I d think a decent engineer could write a basic follow distance algorithm in a few hours that would be drastically better than the current approach. With the underlying FSD architecture s awareness of the surroundings this should be quite simple to improve upon. | The thing that bugs me is how if the car in front moves up a bit it will lurch towards it and then slam the brakes when it slows down again - enough to make everyone in the car lurch forward in their seat as it brakes. | The rubber banding was extremely bad in 2019 to a point where it made me sick. It s a lot better now but still there. | 62 | 4 | 8,403 |
mz2cjc | 1,302 | I made a Tesla app for iOS Android Bestla which provides most of the features of all of the top Tesla apps but at a fraction of the price and with modern design such as data graphs over time Siri Assistant support widgets tiles scheduled actions and more I ve gotten some really positive feedback on the app in the month it s been out and I ve made sure to frequently update the app to support the most requested features such as adding Homelink support [this week](https: www.reddit.com r bestla comments mwxulf v120_is_out_with_homelink_support_close_windows ). [iOS app store](https: apps.apple.com us app bestla-tesla-companion id1551088174) [Android app store](https: play.google.com store apps details?id=com.appuccino.bestla) My goal here is for Bestla to be a companion to the main Tesla app providing as much functionality as possible that the main app doesn t support. And as the title says I m always going to keep it much more affordable (the main two Tesla apps that have a somewhat similar feature set are $45 or $10 **yr** \\- this is $10 one-time or $1 mon) and *I will continue to work on it to keep adding more features with 5 updates shipped this month already*. I made the app free to try for 7 days and any support it gets will let me work on Bestla more often by taking more time off from my job (software engineer at a search engine you may have heard of). **Some key features:** * View vehicle data over time such as battery degradation odometer and temperatures * Many ways to use actions (ex. lock the doors open trunk) without opening an app * \\[Android\\] Google Assistant support such as “Hey Google open the trunk” with custom phrases * \\[iOS\\] Siri support such as Siri open the trunk with custom phrases * \\[iOS\\] Shortcuts support w home screen widgets and automation ( lock the doors when I leave the house ) * App Shortcuts: long press on the home screen icon to perform actions or press and hold to drag actions to their own home screen icons * \\[Android\\] Quick Settings tiles for quick access next to other tiles such as WiFi and Bluetooth * \\[Android\\] Persistent notification with customizable actions * Schedule actions (ex. warm the car at 8am on weekdays or lock the doors in 5 minutes) * Homelink support * More in the full list on the app store **App privacy**: The app does **not** store any login information. You can log in either with your Tesla account or your Tesla account refresh token - the app will use the credentials one time to talk to the Tesla servers to get the token so that the app can communicate with the vehicle and the login information is thrown away. The token is then stored encrypted so the app can continue talking to the vehicle. If you re interested in keeping up to date with app updates or feature requests be sure to check out r Bestla! | I m a fan of one time payments in as much as I really try to avoid most subscription things so that s great. I haven t seen anyone ask but how does it affect battery? Reading about the (potential) phantom drain from these other apps always kinda put me off as well. | Great app although what s with the white background? Its way too bright. | 125 | 2 | 8,404 |
mz2cjc | 1,302 | I made a Tesla app for iOS Android Bestla which provides most of the features of all of the top Tesla apps but at a fraction of the price and with modern design such as data graphs over time Siri Assistant support widgets tiles scheduled actions and more I ve gotten some really positive feedback on the app in the month it s been out and I ve made sure to frequently update the app to support the most requested features such as adding Homelink support [this week](https: www.reddit.com r bestla comments mwxulf v120_is_out_with_homelink_support_close_windows ). [iOS app store](https: apps.apple.com us app bestla-tesla-companion id1551088174) [Android app store](https: play.google.com store apps details?id=com.appuccino.bestla) My goal here is for Bestla to be a companion to the main Tesla app providing as much functionality as possible that the main app doesn t support. And as the title says I m always going to keep it much more affordable (the main two Tesla apps that have a somewhat similar feature set are $45 or $10 **yr** \\- this is $10 one-time or $1 mon) and *I will continue to work on it to keep adding more features with 5 updates shipped this month already*. I made the app free to try for 7 days and any support it gets will let me work on Bestla more often by taking more time off from my job (software engineer at a search engine you may have heard of). **Some key features:** * View vehicle data over time such as battery degradation odometer and temperatures * Many ways to use actions (ex. lock the doors open trunk) without opening an app * \\[Android\\] Google Assistant support such as “Hey Google open the trunk” with custom phrases * \\[iOS\\] Siri support such as Siri open the trunk with custom phrases * \\[iOS\\] Shortcuts support w home screen widgets and automation ( lock the doors when I leave the house ) * App Shortcuts: long press on the home screen icon to perform actions or press and hold to drag actions to their own home screen icons * \\[Android\\] Quick Settings tiles for quick access next to other tiles such as WiFi and Bluetooth * \\[Android\\] Persistent notification with customizable actions * Schedule actions (ex. warm the car at 8am on weekdays or lock the doors in 5 minutes) * Homelink support * More in the full list on the app store **App privacy**: The app does **not** store any login information. You can log in either with your Tesla account or your Tesla account refresh token - the app will use the credentials one time to talk to the Tesla servers to get the token so that the app can communicate with the vehicle and the login information is thrown away. The token is then stored encrypted so the app can continue talking to the vehicle. If you re interested in keeping up to date with app updates or feature requests be sure to check out r Bestla! | I m a fan of one time payments in as much as I really try to avoid most subscription things so that s great. I haven t seen anyone ask but how does it affect battery? Reading about the (potential) phantom drain from these other apps always kinda put me off as well. | Just downloaded looks Nice. You say scheduling is a coming feature? Looks to be in the app but not working? | 125 | 2 | 8,405 |
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