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4ngdmn | 21 | I ordered an S70 a couple weeks ago and really regretting missing out on the S60. Any reassurances? Like the title says I ordered my S70 a couple weeks ago (18 days ago in fact). It s an S70 RWD with a couple of the bells and whistles because I want it more for the luxury features than the performance features. I drive a Leaf right now and the 100-mile range is plenty for me -- so the S60 s 200-mile range would have been plenty. I m feeling a little burned that I apparently ordered at the exact wrong time. I emailed my delivery team and was told that because my car entered pre-production before the announcement it would be built to the original configuration. It entered pre-production on Tuesday the announcement was Thursday. Needless to say I m pretty frustrated. So I m curious: * I noticed the 70 is no longer even in the Tesla designer. Did I just effectively buy a car that was immediately discontinued? Is that going to have any negative ramifications for it? * What s Tesla s cancellation policy for cars in pre-production? The web site just says to call which I ll likely do just to ask but it s easier to ask here. | Welcome to Tesla ownership. I missed slipstream wheels by a week a credit by two weeks and refresh by a couple months. Don t think about what you missed out on and enjoy the awesome car you are about to receive. We all have missed something since they don t do model years. | The opposite. Just got my 70D a few months ago so I know what you re feeling. However I think your 70 resale will hold up better as its a sweet spot with facelift and discontinued. I can see demand in the future being high for a 70 for those that don t need the 75 but can t do with a 60 and want some savings. | 40 | 7 | 506 |
4nk2ab | 177 | This latest attack against Tesla is remarkable in how it was executed... Short-sellers start by filing false reports to federal regulators about an issue with the car. Then they go get bloggers to write about the fake reports and issues. Then they get reporters to ask the federal regulators if there have been issues filed - which they confirm - and ask if there is an investigation or the beginning of one - which they have to confirm otherwise they sound incompetent saying they won t investigate a large amount of filings. Reporters report that Tesla is being investigated by the regulators for a suspension issue. The circle is complete. The short sellers are now committing fraud to try to hurt Tesla. An article earlier compared Elon Musk to Ken Lay Dick Fuld Valient Pharma because he stated this more than likely has something to do with short-sellers which all of those wonderful folks did as well before the end of their companies. AND LOOK AT THAT ELON ISN T FUCKING KEN LAY...AND IT WAS FUCKING WAS SHORT SELLERS. Where are the retractions? Where are the article updates? Disgusted with what I ve seen today. Ruining a company s reputation like this isn t fixed immediately. Why would the NHTSA make a filing seem valid WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT FIRST? Why would you tell a reporter that there is a suspension issue WITHOUT REALIZING THE FILINGS ARE FAKE? 3 suspension issues out of 100 000 cars IS INFINITELY LESS BAD than 40!!! Omg. I m going crazy! Am I the only one this outraged? P.S. - Not a stockholder. None of this is money-related anger. EDIT: THE MAN HIMSELF has joined us! Meet the manipulator! https: twitter.com elonmusk status 741442624611966976 Scroll down enjoy the distortion he puts off. Drug dealers couldn t sell you better stuff then what he gives out for free. | Stockholder here I m am sooooo not surprised. The amount of Tesla bears and skeptics I ve encountered that are actually sane rational and reasonable is countable on one hand and I ve read a lot of stuff from seeking alpha to the daily Kanban (a good tip off is the title and body of every single article post they ever write about Tesla being negative). A lot of what these people say borders on defamation and many of them are full of seething hate for Tesla despite the seemingly withdrawn way they write their articles. Many people just want to see Tesla fail and they believe they will so hard that they jump on every opportunity to write about something negative. It s really disgusting how much hate this company receives considering they re on US soil and at the forefront of the automotive industry in terms of innovation. | I am just as outraged. You articulate it way better. This is crazy enough to potentially be true. I know that last statement didn t make much sense. The bottom line what doesn t kill you makes you stronger. | 67 | 16 | 507 |
4nm8od | 29 | Actual range for the Tesla 90D for traffic commuters Hi so on the website it says it can get 294 miles. I m always in stop-n-go bumper-to-bumper traffic when I commute for a total of 25 miles (roundtrip) everyday. How much can I actually expect the range to be? | Unlike an internal combustion engine electric cars love stop and go traffic. A normal engine needs to keep running even if it is not going anywhere in traffic. | I d except maybe a 5-10% hit on range due to the fact that you are stopping starting and ac heating. Not much to worry about. If it is really cold you would get less though(maybe 10% additional less). Also if the elevation changes a lot that will give an additional hit (could be substantial) I d be surprised if that was the case though usually busy highways are pretty flat. 400-500 miles lol | 36 | 2 | 508 |
4nm8od | 29 | Actual range for the Tesla 90D for traffic commuters Hi so on the website it says it can get 294 miles. I m always in stop-n-go bumper-to-bumper traffic when I commute for a total of 25 miles (roundtrip) everyday. How much can I actually expect the range to be? | Unlike an internal combustion engine electric cars love stop and go traffic. A normal engine needs to keep running even if it is not going anywhere in traffic. | My guess 400-500 miles @20mph | 36 | 7 | 509 |
4nv44z | 93 | Cancelled my Model 3 Cancelled my model 3 and bought a 60D instead. I am surprisingly having a hard time choosing a color These are the specs I chosen so far: Panoramic Roof 19 Slipstream (21 look nice since I m leasing and we get snow here in Canada the 21 did not make financial sense) Auto Pilot! Premium Interior Next Generation Seats Interior: All Black Exterior: Currently set on White but also considering black obsidian black or pearl white. Does anyone have actual pictures of the new face with the above colors? I am a bit worried about range in the winter. I have to commute about 282KM once a week would I run into range issues in the winter? | I think this is what Tesla wants to convert future Model 3 reservations into Model S sales now. | congrats dude! was moving that way myself. only thing holding me back is AP 2. | 58 | 2 | 510 |
4nv44z | 93 | Cancelled my Model 3 Cancelled my model 3 and bought a 60D instead. I am surprisingly having a hard time choosing a color These are the specs I chosen so far: Panoramic Roof 19 Slipstream (21 look nice since I m leasing and we get snow here in Canada the 21 did not make financial sense) Auto Pilot! Premium Interior Next Generation Seats Interior: All Black Exterior: Currently set on White but also considering black obsidian black or pearl white. Does anyone have actual pictures of the new face with the above colors? I am a bit worried about range in the winter. I have to commute about 282KM once a week would I run into range issues in the winter? | I think this is what Tesla wants to convert future Model 3 reservations into Model S sales now. | As long as you get to charge a bit at the 142km mark you won t have to be gentle on the throttle. | 58 | 2 | 511 |
4nv44z | 93 | Cancelled my Model 3 Cancelled my model 3 and bought a 60D instead. I am surprisingly having a hard time choosing a color These are the specs I chosen so far: Panoramic Roof 19 Slipstream (21 look nice since I m leasing and we get snow here in Canada the 21 did not make financial sense) Auto Pilot! Premium Interior Next Generation Seats Interior: All Black Exterior: Currently set on White but also considering black obsidian black or pearl white. Does anyone have actual pictures of the new face with the above colors? I am a bit worried about range in the winter. I have to commute about 282KM once a week would I run into range issues in the winter? | I think this is what Tesla wants to convert future Model 3 reservations into Model S sales now. | Do you live near a dealer where you could see the colors in person? As an ex-Canadian and long time snow person I recommend a light color as the salt and grime will drive you nuts on a black car. The pearl white is nice but I recommend you see it in person. | 58 | 2 | 512 |
4op191 | 54 | Porsche is already starting to lay down the smack talk against Tesla... As an owner of Porsche Carrera S and a soon to be Model 3 ludicrous owner I like to keep tabs on both companies news feeds. This popped up today: http: jalopnik.com porsche-exec-on-tesla-ludicrous-mode-is-a-facade-and-t-1782189656 I will say that it s a bold statement considering they actually haven t produced the EV in its full production form yet. However Tesla really does need to get the over heating issues worked out. That s the only reason I never bought the first roadster or the model S. I realize as an avid track racer I m the minority here but I feel like Tesla will get it right on the next Roadster. I m really excited to see what pops up from every car manufacturer in the next 4 years I just feel like Tesla is still at least 7-10 years ahead of the pack though. | 5 seater luxury sedan not as good at launch control as car designed for track In other news water confirmed for wet. | Considering germany is going pure electric 2030 and car manufacturing has a 5-10 year momentum. The vw group has to start going electric starting in the next few years. | 65 | 3 | 513 |
4op191 | 54 | Porsche is already starting to lay down the smack talk against Tesla... As an owner of Porsche Carrera S and a soon to be Model 3 ludicrous owner I like to keep tabs on both companies news feeds. This popped up today: http: jalopnik.com porsche-exec-on-tesla-ludicrous-mode-is-a-facade-and-t-1782189656 I will say that it s a bold statement considering they actually haven t produced the EV in its full production form yet. However Tesla really does need to get the over heating issues worked out. That s the only reason I never bought the first roadster or the model S. I realize as an avid track racer I m the minority here but I feel like Tesla will get it right on the next Roadster. I m really excited to see what pops up from every car manufacturer in the next 4 years I just feel like Tesla is still at least 7-10 years ahead of the pack though. | 5 seater luxury sedan not as good at launch control as car designed for track In other news water confirmed for wet. | To be fair Tesla seats do suck and it is fairly easy to power limit the Model S on track. | 65 | 6 | 514 |
4op191 | 54 | Porsche is already starting to lay down the smack talk against Tesla... As an owner of Porsche Carrera S and a soon to be Model 3 ludicrous owner I like to keep tabs on both companies news feeds. This popped up today: http: jalopnik.com porsche-exec-on-tesla-ludicrous-mode-is-a-facade-and-t-1782189656 I will say that it s a bold statement considering they actually haven t produced the EV in its full production form yet. However Tesla really does need to get the over heating issues worked out. That s the only reason I never bought the first roadster or the model S. I realize as an avid track racer I m the minority here but I feel like Tesla will get it right on the next Roadster. I m really excited to see what pops up from every car manufacturer in the next 4 years I just feel like Tesla is still at least 7-10 years ahead of the pack though. | 5 seater luxury sedan not as good at launch control as car designed for track In other news water confirmed for wet. | > “It ll be something entirely different than any of its competitors across the board” a product manager from Porsche adds. “The thing about [Tesla s] Ludicrous mode is that it s a façade. Two launches saps the whole battery. That won t be the case with the Mission E. You ll be able to run it hard over and over the battery will not overheat the power control module will not overheat and the seats will not suck.” Well if I recall properly they re planning to use an 800v pack instead of a 400v pack so they d be dealing with half the amps throughout most of the system (same power as the Tesla at 750A vs the Model S 1500A limit). Which translates to 1 4 the heat (I^2*R being the model for resistive heating). The Model S overheating and throttling after several launches or a few hot laps of the track isn t exactly a secret. The car relies on thermal mass to handle it s extreme power and it can t sustain it. It s not really a problem for how they re generally used but it doesn t take many laps on a hot day to cut back into Big Miata Mode. A Porchse that can do a few hot laps of the Ring without throttling would certainly be of interest to people who do track days. | 65 | 8 | 515 |
4p6zxb | 982 | Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity - Official Thread - please keep everything here Here s the announcement: https: t.co bo6TaeGvCJ Elon will hold a press call shortly. ___________________________________ The call is now over. Here are a few highlights: * The goal is to integrate the products for a better experience for the customers - SolarCity and Tesla * Elon calls the deal a no-brainer * Tesla will have to issue new shares to make the deal happen. * The estimated value of the deal is 2.5 to 3 billion dollars * The acquisition will not affect the rollout of the Model 3 says Elon Musk * Tesla and SolarCity could offer new EV charging options by next year * Elon talks about SolarCity being integrated in Tesla - no big walls internally will facilitate integration * Elon describes a customer experience of buying an EV a home battery pack and a solar installation seamlessly at the same location. ____________________________________ Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity Tesla s mission has always been tied to sustainability. We seek to accelerate the world s transition to sustainable transportation by offering increasingly affordable electric vehicles. And in March 2015 we launched Tesla Energy which through the Powerwall and Powerpack allow homeowners business owners and utilities to benefit from renewable energy storage. It s now time to complete the picture. Tesla customers can drive clean cars and they can use our battery packs to help consume energy more efficiently but they still need access to the most sustainable energy source that s available: the sun. The SolarCity team has built its company into the clear solar industry leader in the residential commercial and industrial markets with significant scale and growing customer penetration. They have made it easy for customers to switch to clean energy while still providing the best customer experience. We ve seen this all firsthand through our partnership with SolarCity on a variety of use cases including those where SolarCity uses Tesla battery packs as part of its solar projects. So we re excited to announce that Tesla today has made an offer to acquire SolarCity. A copy of Tesla s offer is provided below. If completed we believe that a combination of Tesla and SolarCity would provide significant benefits to our shareholders customers and employees: We would be the world s only vertically integrated energy company offering end-to-end clean energy products to our customers. This would start with the car that you drive and the energy that you use to charge it and would extend to how everything else in your home or business is powered. With your Model S Model X or Model 3 your solar panel system and your Powerwall all in place you would be able to deploy and consume energy in the most efficient and sustainable way possible lowering your costs and minimizing your dependence on fossil fuels and the grid. We would be able to expand our addressable market further than either company could do separately. Because of the shared ideals of the companies and our customers those who are interested in buying Tesla vehicles or Powerwalls are naturally interested in going solar and the reverse is true as well. When brought together by the high foot traffic that is drawn to Tesla s stores everyone should benefit. We would be able to maximize and build on the core competencies of each company. Tesla s experience in design engineering and manufacturing should help continue to advance solar panel technology including by making solar panels add to the look of your home. Similarly SolarCity s wide network of sales and distribution channels and expertise in offering customer-friendly financing products would significantly benefit Tesla and its customers. We would be able to provide the best possible installation service for all of our clean energy products. SolarCity is the best at installing solar panel systems and that expertise translates seamlessly to the installation of Powerwalls and charging systems for Tesla vehicles. Culturally this is a great fit. Both companies are driven by a mission of sustainability innovation and overcoming any challenges that stand in the way of progress. Today s offer to acquire SolarCity is only the first step toward a successful combination of Tesla and SolarCity. We will provide a further update if and when an agreement is reached. | Are we also merging with r SolarCity? | I have no idea what to even think.... | 190 | 2 | 516 |
4p6zxb | 982 | Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity - Official Thread - please keep everything here Here s the announcement: https: t.co bo6TaeGvCJ Elon will hold a press call shortly. ___________________________________ The call is now over. Here are a few highlights: * The goal is to integrate the products for a better experience for the customers - SolarCity and Tesla * Elon calls the deal a no-brainer * Tesla will have to issue new shares to make the deal happen. * The estimated value of the deal is 2.5 to 3 billion dollars * The acquisition will not affect the rollout of the Model 3 says Elon Musk * Tesla and SolarCity could offer new EV charging options by next year * Elon talks about SolarCity being integrated in Tesla - no big walls internally will facilitate integration * Elon describes a customer experience of buying an EV a home battery pack and a solar installation seamlessly at the same location. ____________________________________ Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity Tesla s mission has always been tied to sustainability. We seek to accelerate the world s transition to sustainable transportation by offering increasingly affordable electric vehicles. And in March 2015 we launched Tesla Energy which through the Powerwall and Powerpack allow homeowners business owners and utilities to benefit from renewable energy storage. It s now time to complete the picture. Tesla customers can drive clean cars and they can use our battery packs to help consume energy more efficiently but they still need access to the most sustainable energy source that s available: the sun. The SolarCity team has built its company into the clear solar industry leader in the residential commercial and industrial markets with significant scale and growing customer penetration. They have made it easy for customers to switch to clean energy while still providing the best customer experience. We ve seen this all firsthand through our partnership with SolarCity on a variety of use cases including those where SolarCity uses Tesla battery packs as part of its solar projects. So we re excited to announce that Tesla today has made an offer to acquire SolarCity. A copy of Tesla s offer is provided below. If completed we believe that a combination of Tesla and SolarCity would provide significant benefits to our shareholders customers and employees: We would be the world s only vertically integrated energy company offering end-to-end clean energy products to our customers. This would start with the car that you drive and the energy that you use to charge it and would extend to how everything else in your home or business is powered. With your Model S Model X or Model 3 your solar panel system and your Powerwall all in place you would be able to deploy and consume energy in the most efficient and sustainable way possible lowering your costs and minimizing your dependence on fossil fuels and the grid. We would be able to expand our addressable market further than either company could do separately. Because of the shared ideals of the companies and our customers those who are interested in buying Tesla vehicles or Powerwalls are naturally interested in going solar and the reverse is true as well. When brought together by the high foot traffic that is drawn to Tesla s stores everyone should benefit. We would be able to maximize and build on the core competencies of each company. Tesla s experience in design engineering and manufacturing should help continue to advance solar panel technology including by making solar panels add to the look of your home. Similarly SolarCity s wide network of sales and distribution channels and expertise in offering customer-friendly financing products would significantly benefit Tesla and its customers. We would be able to provide the best possible installation service for all of our clean energy products. SolarCity is the best at installing solar panel systems and that expertise translates seamlessly to the installation of Powerwalls and charging systems for Tesla vehicles. Culturally this is a great fit. Both companies are driven by a mission of sustainability innovation and overcoming any challenges that stand in the way of progress. Today s offer to acquire SolarCity is only the first step toward a successful combination of Tesla and SolarCity. We will provide a further update if and when an agreement is reached. | Are we also merging with r SolarCity? | Official: https: www.teslamotors.com blog tesla-makes-offer-to-acquire-solarcity | 190 | 2 | 517 |
4p6zxb | 982 | Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity - Official Thread - please keep everything here Here s the announcement: https: t.co bo6TaeGvCJ Elon will hold a press call shortly. ___________________________________ The call is now over. Here are a few highlights: * The goal is to integrate the products for a better experience for the customers - SolarCity and Tesla * Elon calls the deal a no-brainer * Tesla will have to issue new shares to make the deal happen. * The estimated value of the deal is 2.5 to 3 billion dollars * The acquisition will not affect the rollout of the Model 3 says Elon Musk * Tesla and SolarCity could offer new EV charging options by next year * Elon talks about SolarCity being integrated in Tesla - no big walls internally will facilitate integration * Elon describes a customer experience of buying an EV a home battery pack and a solar installation seamlessly at the same location. ____________________________________ Tesla Makes Offer to Acquire SolarCity Tesla s mission has always been tied to sustainability. We seek to accelerate the world s transition to sustainable transportation by offering increasingly affordable electric vehicles. And in March 2015 we launched Tesla Energy which through the Powerwall and Powerpack allow homeowners business owners and utilities to benefit from renewable energy storage. It s now time to complete the picture. Tesla customers can drive clean cars and they can use our battery packs to help consume energy more efficiently but they still need access to the most sustainable energy source that s available: the sun. The SolarCity team has built its company into the clear solar industry leader in the residential commercial and industrial markets with significant scale and growing customer penetration. They have made it easy for customers to switch to clean energy while still providing the best customer experience. We ve seen this all firsthand through our partnership with SolarCity on a variety of use cases including those where SolarCity uses Tesla battery packs as part of its solar projects. So we re excited to announce that Tesla today has made an offer to acquire SolarCity. A copy of Tesla s offer is provided below. If completed we believe that a combination of Tesla and SolarCity would provide significant benefits to our shareholders customers and employees: We would be the world s only vertically integrated energy company offering end-to-end clean energy products to our customers. This would start with the car that you drive and the energy that you use to charge it and would extend to how everything else in your home or business is powered. With your Model S Model X or Model 3 your solar panel system and your Powerwall all in place you would be able to deploy and consume energy in the most efficient and sustainable way possible lowering your costs and minimizing your dependence on fossil fuels and the grid. We would be able to expand our addressable market further than either company could do separately. Because of the shared ideals of the companies and our customers those who are interested in buying Tesla vehicles or Powerwalls are naturally interested in going solar and the reverse is true as well. When brought together by the high foot traffic that is drawn to Tesla s stores everyone should benefit. We would be able to maximize and build on the core competencies of each company. Tesla s experience in design engineering and manufacturing should help continue to advance solar panel technology including by making solar panels add to the look of your home. Similarly SolarCity s wide network of sales and distribution channels and expertise in offering customer-friendly financing products would significantly benefit Tesla and its customers. We would be able to provide the best possible installation service for all of our clean energy products. SolarCity is the best at installing solar panel systems and that expertise translates seamlessly to the installation of Powerwalls and charging systems for Tesla vehicles. Culturally this is a great fit. Both companies are driven by a mission of sustainability innovation and overcoming any challenges that stand in the way of progress. Today s offer to acquire SolarCity is only the first step toward a successful combination of Tesla and SolarCity. We will provide a further update if and when an agreement is reached. | Are we also merging with r SolarCity? | Hah! I was just looking at different solar company stocks to invest in. | 190 | 2 | 518 |
4qa0h9 | 244 | It s Elon s 45th Birthday today Can you imagine starting Tesla SpaceX Paypal and several other projects by the age of 45? | I ve only got a year-and-a-half to catch up. Better get to wor-ooh my reddit mail icon is red! | This explains the submersible car idea. It would be an appropriate mid life crisis gift to himself. | 73 | 24 | 519 |
4qa0h9 | 244 | It s Elon s 45th Birthday today Can you imagine starting Tesla SpaceX Paypal and several other projects by the age of 45? | I ve only got a year-and-a-half to catch up. Better get to wor-ooh my reddit mail icon is red! | Hoping for a better B-day than he had last year - the SpaceX rocket failed for his 44th :( | 73 | 24 | 520 |
4qnbqu | 40 | You were driving a 2016 Black Model S 85D in Nottingham... ...and I was that weirdo in the red Peugeot who waved to you. You know I did because you looked at me like I was crazy. You gestured OK then quickly shot across the roundabout under the overpass. Just wanted to reaffirm I wasn t a complete nutter and just saying I can t wait until I can own one myself. | Tesla missed connections LOL | Yeah this reddit post will convince him! | 43 | 11 | 521 |
4rike7 | 354 | KREISEL electric is all over the news in Germany with a battery that is almost half as heavy as Tesla s battery. It s weight is only 4.1 kg kWh (9lbs kWh) vs. about 7.2kg kWh (16lbs kWh) for Tesla batteries. They seem to be legit since many major newspaper write about them and they already built some cars (a Porsche 911 that s only 50kg heavier than the ICE version an electric VW Golf with 400km vs Volkswagen s 190km range and [some more](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en projects )). They also claim to charge the batteries to 300km (80%) in 18 minutes and that they want to produce (together with a car manufacturer) a 300km (200 miles) car for 25.000€. I can t find any english news articles but here is [their website (in english)](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en technology battery-system battery-pack ) and [some](http: www.sueddeutsche.de auto kreisel-electric-so-wird-der-panamera-ein-besserer-tesla-1.2899040) [german](http: www.welt.de motor article156742531 Drei-Oesterreicher-machen-Tesla-Konkurrenz.html) [news](http: diepresse.com home wirtschaft economist 5034902 So-werden-Elektroautos-endlich-wirtschaftlich) [articles](http: www.focus.de auto elektroauto kreisel-electric-aus-oesterreich-elektro-golf-mit-350-kilometern-reichweite-oesterreich-akku-soll-branche-revolutionieren_id_5483862.html). Your thoughts on this? I think it s strange that there aren t any english news articles about them but they are not just a concept they already produce and sell licenses (their main business) already are profitable and already build prototypes for and are in negotiations with many car manufacturers (and are said to be close to Volkswagen). EDIT: Some more information from [this 20min long (german) video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qoAKhSOjyr8): * The company exists since more than 40 years in the consumer electronics market * More than 30 employees 70 employees end of the year * Customers today are Volkswagen Audi Porsche BMW Mercedes Benz McLaren Google and many more * They develop prototypes for 2020 and battery designs for basically everybody in the german automobile industry * They use similar batteries as Tesla (18650) but... * ... they use some patented laser welding technology that doesn t damage the cells. Tesla s welding damages every single cell to a different (small) degree and those differences have to be balanced (at about 6:00 in the video) * Cells don t get heated during their laser welding technology * The laser welding process results in a lower and much more equal cellresitance which means that you can charge to 95% of max capacity before you have to balance the battery (level out unequally charged cells because overvoltage will damage them) * 15% more capacity per cell just because of laser welding (+ more from other improvements) * Original battery from the E-Golf has 24 kWh their battery has 57 kWh and is 9kg lighter and can be charged 10 times as fast | Tesla s packs are also known to be built like tanks. Engineered to survive serious crashes as well as thermal runaway from internal failure. I guess the test will be if these batteries can hold up to a similar standard. Good to see the competition starting in battery tech. | [Electrek reported about Kreisel](http: electrek.co 2016 05 10 kreisel-electric-battery-factory ) a while ago but mentioned 6 kg kWh. This seems to have been improved quite a bit! | 185 | 2 | 522 |
4rike7 | 354 | KREISEL electric is all over the news in Germany with a battery that is almost half as heavy as Tesla s battery. It s weight is only 4.1 kg kWh (9lbs kWh) vs. about 7.2kg kWh (16lbs kWh) for Tesla batteries. They seem to be legit since many major newspaper write about them and they already built some cars (a Porsche 911 that s only 50kg heavier than the ICE version an electric VW Golf with 400km vs Volkswagen s 190km range and [some more](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en projects )). They also claim to charge the batteries to 300km (80%) in 18 minutes and that they want to produce (together with a car manufacturer) a 300km (200 miles) car for 25.000€. I can t find any english news articles but here is [their website (in english)](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en technology battery-system battery-pack ) and [some](http: www.sueddeutsche.de auto kreisel-electric-so-wird-der-panamera-ein-besserer-tesla-1.2899040) [german](http: www.welt.de motor article156742531 Drei-Oesterreicher-machen-Tesla-Konkurrenz.html) [news](http: diepresse.com home wirtschaft economist 5034902 So-werden-Elektroautos-endlich-wirtschaftlich) [articles](http: www.focus.de auto elektroauto kreisel-electric-aus-oesterreich-elektro-golf-mit-350-kilometern-reichweite-oesterreich-akku-soll-branche-revolutionieren_id_5483862.html). Your thoughts on this? I think it s strange that there aren t any english news articles about them but they are not just a concept they already produce and sell licenses (their main business) already are profitable and already build prototypes for and are in negotiations with many car manufacturers (and are said to be close to Volkswagen). EDIT: Some more information from [this 20min long (german) video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qoAKhSOjyr8): * The company exists since more than 40 years in the consumer electronics market * More than 30 employees 70 employees end of the year * Customers today are Volkswagen Audi Porsche BMW Mercedes Benz McLaren Google and many more * They develop prototypes for 2020 and battery designs for basically everybody in the german automobile industry * They use similar batteries as Tesla (18650) but... * ... they use some patented laser welding technology that doesn t damage the cells. Tesla s welding damages every single cell to a different (small) degree and those differences have to be balanced (at about 6:00 in the video) * Cells don t get heated during their laser welding technology * The laser welding process results in a lower and much more equal cellresitance which means that you can charge to 95% of max capacity before you have to balance the battery (level out unequally charged cells because overvoltage will damage them) * 15% more capacity per cell just because of laser welding (+ more from other improvements) * Original battery from the E-Golf has 24 kWh their battery has 57 kWh and is 9kg lighter and can be charged 10 times as fast | Tesla s packs are also known to be built like tanks. Engineered to survive serious crashes as well as thermal runaway from internal failure. I guess the test will be if these batteries can hold up to a similar standard. Good to see the competition starting in battery tech. | For reference the first article link is to the Süddeutsche Zeitung which is the German equivalent of like the Wall Street Journal. So legit basically. | 185 | 3 | 523 |
4rike7 | 354 | KREISEL electric is all over the news in Germany with a battery that is almost half as heavy as Tesla s battery. It s weight is only 4.1 kg kWh (9lbs kWh) vs. about 7.2kg kWh (16lbs kWh) for Tesla batteries. They seem to be legit since many major newspaper write about them and they already built some cars (a Porsche 911 that s only 50kg heavier than the ICE version an electric VW Golf with 400km vs Volkswagen s 190km range and [some more](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en projects )). They also claim to charge the batteries to 300km (80%) in 18 minutes and that they want to produce (together with a car manufacturer) a 300km (200 miles) car for 25.000€. I can t find any english news articles but here is [their website (in english)](http: www.kreiselelectric.com en technology battery-system battery-pack ) and [some](http: www.sueddeutsche.de auto kreisel-electric-so-wird-der-panamera-ein-besserer-tesla-1.2899040) [german](http: www.welt.de motor article156742531 Drei-Oesterreicher-machen-Tesla-Konkurrenz.html) [news](http: diepresse.com home wirtschaft economist 5034902 So-werden-Elektroautos-endlich-wirtschaftlich) [articles](http: www.focus.de auto elektroauto kreisel-electric-aus-oesterreich-elektro-golf-mit-350-kilometern-reichweite-oesterreich-akku-soll-branche-revolutionieren_id_5483862.html). Your thoughts on this? I think it s strange that there aren t any english news articles about them but they are not just a concept they already produce and sell licenses (their main business) already are profitable and already build prototypes for and are in negotiations with many car manufacturers (and are said to be close to Volkswagen). EDIT: Some more information from [this 20min long (german) video](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=qoAKhSOjyr8): * The company exists since more than 40 years in the consumer electronics market * More than 30 employees 70 employees end of the year * Customers today are Volkswagen Audi Porsche BMW Mercedes Benz McLaren Google and many more * They develop prototypes for 2020 and battery designs for basically everybody in the german automobile industry * They use similar batteries as Tesla (18650) but... * ... they use some patented laser welding technology that doesn t damage the cells. Tesla s welding damages every single cell to a different (small) degree and those differences have to be balanced (at about 6:00 in the video) * Cells don t get heated during their laser welding technology * The laser welding process results in a lower and much more equal cellresitance which means that you can charge to 95% of max capacity before you have to balance the battery (level out unequally charged cells because overvoltage will damage them) * 15% more capacity per cell just because of laser welding (+ more from other improvements) * Original battery from the E-Golf has 24 kWh their battery has 57 kWh and is 9kg lighter and can be charged 10 times as fast | Tesla s packs are also known to be built like tanks. Engineered to survive serious crashes as well as thermal runaway from internal failure. I guess the test will be if these batteries can hold up to a similar standard. Good to see the competition starting in battery tech. | Im not denying it because I haven t read into properly but there are always lots of claims regarding battery improvements. Getting density longevity and efficiency in one pack without compromising either is the challenge here and that s why a lot of new battery developments don t make it to the mass market. | 185 | 5 | 524 |
4rlidd | 26 | Got a ticket for not having plates :( So I was on my way to the bank when I got pulled over. The cop asked me w bunch of questions about where I bought the car and why I didn t have plates or dealer plates. I showed them the temporary sticker on my window and told then that it was a temporary registration because I had just picked up the car but he said that the sticker wasn t sufficient for the state of Texas and said to call the dealership I bought it from | Was surprised and then... > wasn t sufficient for the state of Texas and said to call the dealership I bought it from No longer surprised. | Someone had a similar issue a year or 2 ago might want to search and contact the user if there is a way to fight it. | 36 | 9 | 525 |
4s2he2 | 37 | How does tesla s ac system work? I know in a car you have a condensor in front of the car that looks like a rad and cools the refrigerant back to a liquid... but tesla doesnt have a grill. They just have a trunk there. | [Everything you ever wanted to know about HVAC in a Tesla. Enjoy](https: www.teslamotors.com blog blowing-hot-and-cold). Also there are also many other technical blog posts about battery tech thermal pack mamagement recycling etc on the same site written by Elon JB Straubel & Co | Don t know about the AC but Teslas do have a grille and radiator for the battery thermal management. They re just smaller than in ICE cars. | 33 | 5 | 526 |
4sdbs8 | 1,012 | If Autopilot avoids a crash while you are driving and you have a dash cam report it to your local media outlet. Especially if it saved your life! With the recent unwarranted negativity towards Autopilot I think the best way to educate people on how safe the system can be is to show them. If news agencies start picking up stories of lives being saved with Autopilot it will counter some of the ignorant publicity. | I actually talked to Tesla about this. A while back Elon mentioned that hey should ask customers if they can pull and share the data when there s an accident prevented by the AP. I pointed out that now should be a good time. They said maybe . | Joshua Brown used to do just that. | 129 | 38 | 527 |
4sdbs8 | 1,012 | If Autopilot avoids a crash while you are driving and you have a dash cam report it to your local media outlet. Especially if it saved your life! With the recent unwarranted negativity towards Autopilot I think the best way to educate people on how safe the system can be is to show them. If news agencies start picking up stories of lives being saved with Autopilot it will counter some of the ignorant publicity. | I actually talked to Tesla about this. A while back Elon mentioned that hey should ask customers if they can pull and share the data when there s an accident prevented by the AP. I pointed out that now should be a good time. They said maybe . | To be honest the media doesn t want those stories. I made it to work without getting into an accident. That s not a headline. Skynet took control of my car and damn near killed me. That s news. | 129 | 68 | 528 |
4sexct | 66 | I m surprised but I like my Model S more than my Model X This is a post for anyone on the fence between a Model X and Model S. Both cars are great and may have a different target audience. If you re like us hopefully this info will be useful. I know I appreciated owner experiences when making my purchase decision… I m a tech guy and my wife s a lawyer who is into cars just like me and we have 2 kids. We love our Teslas. Daily I drive the Model S P85D (recently upgraded to ludicrous – although I m not sure that was worth it – another post another day) and she drives the Model X P90D. Both are fabulous vehicles. The Model X has a much better finish. The seats are amazing the looks from people are endless. And if we want to look badass we take the X. People come from all around point stare and talk it up. Nobody even notices us when we re in the Model S (even with the P85D underlined). So I find it strange that I like and enjoy the Model S more than the X. The seats aren t as comfy or vented the finish isn t as nice but the S is more well driveable. It reacts like I expect. It handles like I want. The autopilot in the S handles better on the same roads even though it is older hardware. And the S is stupid fast yet controllable and the acceleration makes sense. The acceleration in the X is fast at the beginning so fast that it doesn t make sense in a vehicle that size yet it doesn t seem to have enough at higher speeds. It feels like my buddy s Model S 70D above 40 MPH (ok it s plenty but…). We ve taken both cars from Seattle to Whistler BC for family ski trips. Both can handle the 4 of us and gear. The S feels like it can fit more as the back row folded down in the X is higher leaving less room for our ski gear bins. Although with the X we can put the skis in the car rather than on the roof rack as required in the S. In the X 6 passenger seats is awesome the windshield is fantastic the doors are fun (yet slow) the finish is really great but the overall balance in the Model S feels better for a daily driver. So if you re on the fence about the X or S and don t need the additional seats the S feels like the better vehicle better daily driver and better balanced overall vehicle. YMMV. | Everyone who was on the fence before these posts ... will now be even more on the fence. | Good post thanks for the input. | 29 | 3 | 529 |
4sf52k | 28 | Charging already complete. Please move your vehicle so others can charge. Heard from the field that while Supercharging Tesla now sends a txt message after your charge setting is reached. First message sent at t+0 then t+5 minutes. | In 3 years: Charging already complete. Your car has moved to a new location. | Got this a few weeks ago when my car was in for service. Pretty neat. | 42 | 2 | 530 |
4sf52k | 28 | Charging already complete. Please move your vehicle so others can charge. Heard from the field that while Supercharging Tesla now sends a txt message after your charge setting is reached. First message sent at t+0 then t+5 minutes. | In 3 years: Charging already complete. Your car has moved to a new location. | As long as it s when it s complete to your threshold setting and not complete to Tesla s full enough to just get you to your next destination under good conditions whether there s a charger available there or not. | 42 | 5 | 531 |
4t7ejr | 106 | Current Tesla owners what is your biggest annoyance issue with your Tesla? Tesla may be awesome but nothing is perfect. Tell me what your biggest pet peeve pain in the ass is. If you don t own a Tesla currently feel free to comment but please indicate that you don t own one. | * My leg hurts on long road trips because of where the door armrest juts out. * Center console storage under the screen needs a lip to prevent shit from sliding out during bouts of sudden torque. * The car is so aerodynamic that the rear gets dirty af while the rest of the car stays spotless lol. * Brakes get used so rarely that they occasionally get crunchy and I have to do a few hard brakes to scrub em off. * Screen is slower than I would like. Hope they start using an upgraded chip soon in new cars. * A center armrest in the back would be nice. * I worry about denting the frunk by closing it improperly. (It s been 2 years now with no problems tho) The thing is tho these are all pretty minor. The real problem with the Tesla is that it has destroyed me for all other cars. Even renting a fancy Mercedes or Audi or taking a ride in a ICE sports car just doesn t do it for me anymore. The engine noise vibration lack of a center screen non-intuitive tech no OTA updates or awesome app and delayed acceleration just make gas cars seem slow and primitive to me now. It kinda sucks now when I have to travel and rent a gas car or even take a ride in a friend s car. For some reason I still enjoy gas motorcycles though. It s one of the reasons I ve put off test riding an electric Zero lol. It will probably ruin me for gas bikes too. | I got mine 8 days ago. She developed a rattling sound coming from the top of the 19 screen today. I ll need to make an appointment for service. Aside from that it s amazing. | 51 | 3 | 532 |
4t7ejr | 106 | Current Tesla owners what is your biggest annoyance issue with your Tesla? Tesla may be awesome but nothing is perfect. Tell me what your biggest pet peeve pain in the ass is. If you don t own a Tesla currently feel free to comment but please indicate that you don t own one. | The headlights blind the shit out of people so I get a lot of retaliatory brights in response even if I don t have my highbeams on. Really fuckin bugs me that I m seen as *that* asshole and there s nothing I can do about it. It happens pretty much nightly on my road trips to the point where I m considering scheduling my trips so I m only driving during daylight hours. Second place is the cupholders are in an awkward position and that s slightly annoying. | I got mine 8 days ago. She developed a rattling sound coming from the top of the 19 screen today. I ll need to make an appointment for service. Aside from that it s amazing. | 47 | 3 | 533 |
4t7ejr | 106 | Current Tesla owners what is your biggest annoyance issue with your Tesla? Tesla may be awesome but nothing is perfect. Tell me what your biggest pet peeve pain in the ass is. If you don t own a Tesla currently feel free to comment but please indicate that you don t own one. | * My leg hurts on long road trips because of where the door armrest juts out. * Center console storage under the screen needs a lip to prevent shit from sliding out during bouts of sudden torque. * The car is so aerodynamic that the rear gets dirty af while the rest of the car stays spotless lol. * Brakes get used so rarely that they occasionally get crunchy and I have to do a few hard brakes to scrub em off. * Screen is slower than I would like. Hope they start using an upgraded chip soon in new cars. * A center armrest in the back would be nice. * I worry about denting the frunk by closing it improperly. (It s been 2 years now with no problems tho) The thing is tho these are all pretty minor. The real problem with the Tesla is that it has destroyed me for all other cars. Even renting a fancy Mercedes or Audi or taking a ride in a ICE sports car just doesn t do it for me anymore. The engine noise vibration lack of a center screen non-intuitive tech no OTA updates or awesome app and delayed acceleration just make gas cars seem slow and primitive to me now. It kinda sucks now when I have to travel and rent a gas car or even take a ride in a friend s car. For some reason I still enjoy gas motorcycles though. It s one of the reasons I ve put off test riding an electric Zero lol. It will probably ruin me for gas bikes too. | * Headlights not bright enough (ours has lower brightness than US version) * Squeaks and rattles * No keyfob-activated Summon in our version and phone summon rarely works * Asymmetric reverse light looks weird * USB music keeps playing even when car is off | 51 | 8 | 534 |
4tc7fb | 224 | Tesla No-So-Secret Master Plan Part 2 Discussion - Please keep all new posts links related here HERE IS THE LINK: https: www.tesla.com blog master-plan-part-deux Please keep all new posts and links to articles in this thread so we don t get a flood of a billion posts cluttering the front page. Others will be deleted until the media frenzy calms down on this topic. EDIT: Again keep discussions here. I ve had to remove a shitload of reposts already and its been like 15 mins. Shout out to u PlatinumTaq for trying to be the biggest karma-whore I have seen yet making a summary comment on most of the new posts and then re-posting the same link of their own. As usual please follow the sub s rules - including reddiquette - in your discussions. Info: * [Part 1 Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (just between you and Elon!) from August 2006](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) * [Blog post expected sometime tonight](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 754772663365664768) after SpaceX Launch [which is scheduled for 12:45am Eastern (EDT)](https: spaceflightnow.com 2016 07 17 timeline-for-spacexs-ninth-station-resupply-launch ). | Successfull landing of Falcon 9 and crs-9! Can I please have my masterplan now? | I think we there will be a few different subscriptions for autonomous car travel . Like 1000 miles for $100 . I think they will install supercharges at gas stations maybe a partnership with bp or other oil tycoon . It s either keep up with tech or get swallowed . Other vehicles brought to market for commercial trucks 18 wheelers . Also pick up trucks . I m pretty excited to hear about it I have a model 3 on preorder. | 95 | 2 | 535 |
4tc7fb | 224 | Tesla No-So-Secret Master Plan Part 2 Discussion - Please keep all new posts links related here HERE IS THE LINK: https: www.tesla.com blog master-plan-part-deux Please keep all new posts and links to articles in this thread so we don t get a flood of a billion posts cluttering the front page. Others will be deleted until the media frenzy calms down on this topic. EDIT: Again keep discussions here. I ve had to remove a shitload of reposts already and its been like 15 mins. Shout out to u PlatinumTaq for trying to be the biggest karma-whore I have seen yet making a summary comment on most of the new posts and then re-posting the same link of their own. As usual please follow the sub s rules - including reddiquette - in your discussions. Info: * [Part 1 Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (just between you and Elon!) from August 2006](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) * [Blog post expected sometime tonight](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 754772663365664768) after SpaceX Launch [which is scheduled for 12:45am Eastern (EDT)](https: spaceflightnow.com 2016 07 17 timeline-for-spacexs-ninth-station-resupply-launch ). | Successfull landing of Falcon 9 and crs-9! Can I please have my masterplan now? | I call planes | 95 | 4 | 536 |
4tc7fb | 224 | Tesla No-So-Secret Master Plan Part 2 Discussion - Please keep all new posts links related here HERE IS THE LINK: https: www.tesla.com blog master-plan-part-deux Please keep all new posts and links to articles in this thread so we don t get a flood of a billion posts cluttering the front page. Others will be deleted until the media frenzy calms down on this topic. EDIT: Again keep discussions here. I ve had to remove a shitload of reposts already and its been like 15 mins. Shout out to u PlatinumTaq for trying to be the biggest karma-whore I have seen yet making a summary comment on most of the new posts and then re-posting the same link of their own. As usual please follow the sub s rules - including reddiquette - in your discussions. Info: * [Part 1 Secret Tesla Motors Master Plan (just between you and Elon!) from August 2006](https: www.tesla.com blog secret-tesla-motors-master-plan-just-between-you-and-me) * [Blog post expected sometime tonight](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 754772663365664768) after SpaceX Launch [which is scheduled for 12:45am Eastern (EDT)](https: spaceflightnow.com 2016 07 17 timeline-for-spacexs-ninth-station-resupply-launch ). | Successfull landing of Falcon 9 and crs-9! Can I please have my masterplan now? | I m thinking master plan part 2 includes self driving cars will replace taxis. Meaning that people won t need to own a car but instead use an app to summon one. No more car loan no more insurance no more maintenance no more costly wages for taxi drivers. | 95 | 7 | 537 |
4trvr5 | 85 | Bjørn s taken delivery of his Blue Model X P90DL today Update: Delivery and walk around video: https: youtu.be YiZjUIvT1uI Original post: Seems to be a Founder s edition. Apparently there s a 50% tax on the car. (Edit: Yes Norway has EV incentives but this is income tax since the car is a gift.) https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FmJLyGdQeNQ (he has a series of live streams on his channel because they kept cutting off) Twitter https: twitter.com BjornNyland status 755809574268112896 | 50% tax on gifts???? Sheeeeeeiiittt.... | How much did he have to pay if there s a 50% tax on the car? Does everyone or only him? | 40 | 2 | 538 |
4trvr5 | 85 | Bjørn s taken delivery of his Blue Model X P90DL today Update: Delivery and walk around video: https: youtu.be YiZjUIvT1uI Original post: Seems to be a Founder s edition. Apparently there s a 50% tax on the car. (Edit: Yes Norway has EV incentives but this is income tax since the car is a gift.) https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FmJLyGdQeNQ (he has a series of live streams on his channel because they kept cutting off) Twitter https: twitter.com BjornNyland status 755809574268112896 | 50% tax on gifts???? Sheeeeeeiiittt.... | Damn I thought Norway had crazy EV incentives? | 40 | 3 | 539 |
4trvr5 | 85 | Bjørn s taken delivery of his Blue Model X P90DL today Update: Delivery and walk around video: https: youtu.be YiZjUIvT1uI Original post: Seems to be a Founder s edition. Apparently there s a 50% tax on the car. (Edit: Yes Norway has EV incentives but this is income tax since the car is a gift.) https: www.youtube.com watch?v=FmJLyGdQeNQ (he has a series of live streams on his channel because they kept cutting off) Twitter https: twitter.com BjornNyland status 755809574268112896 | 50% tax on gifts???? Sheeeeeeiiittt.... | I love that color! | 40 | 3 | 540 |
4u35th | 33 | My family is trying to neg me out of getting a tesla. I make a modest amount of money but family thinks it would be a mistake to buy tesla x or s. they keep telling me to get something that practical and Idon t ever know what type of emergencies will come up or if a job will always be stable. That I have to be a millionaire to buy this car... has anyone experienced this from friends or family? | When I told my mom and dad I started the sentence with I ve made a terrible financial decision and fell in with my obsession... I bought a Tesla. My mom replied That was dumb. I grinned back ear to ear yeah. It s great! I did this on purpose to short-circuit any conversation about financial responsibility. I just admit up front that buying a $75k car is never a good idea and noone should ever do it. And then I get in my spaceboat and drive away. | I haven t - but it s possible they aren t wrong. | 86 | 31 | 541 |
4u35th | 33 | My family is trying to neg me out of getting a tesla. I make a modest amount of money but family thinks it would be a mistake to buy tesla x or s. they keep telling me to get something that practical and Idon t ever know what type of emergencies will come up or if a job will always be stable. That I have to be a millionaire to buy this car... has anyone experienced this from friends or family? | Are you not interested in the Model 3? You could put down $1000 now and start saving for it (make the payments to your savings account). When it s time to configure you and your family should have the proof that it makes financial sense or would be a terrible idea. | they have anxiety.. I can t speak for maintenance but the range anxiety is a non-issue once you have the car. | 30 | 2 | 542 |
4u3z3w | 35 | What would a Trump administration mean for Tesla? First of all I apologize for being the one to bring politics into this sub. I personally don t care who or what anyone on this sub supports politically. I just wanted to discuss how a Trump administration would affect Tesla over the next 4 years (if it happens). From recent experience it seems that the Republican stance although pro-business on the surface is more like pro business as long as it doesn t threaten our homies in the fossil fuel industries . Trump aligns himself mostly against carbon taxes and other tight environmental regulations but he also claims he s very pro-American industry and pro-American jobs. Tesla basically benefits from tight environmental policy to provide jobs and increase American industry. Would his administration seek to help a rapidly growing American company or would they push to repeal things like cap and trade federal EV rebates and other benefits for Tesla or any other American company that tries to make EV s? P.S. if you have strong political views for or against any particular candidate - remember this is r Tesla not r politics. You ll never convince people to agree with you by arguing with them. | From my perspective - there s actually a pretty heavy lack in concrete policy positions in this election. Trump himself has made some positions known but he also seems to vacillate on these from time to time so I have a hard time pinning down any real effects. I think as usual down the ticket races will tell the tale - and Trump will go along with it. | It will be yuuuuge! He will build a wall around the Tesla factory so gasoline cars can be great again :) | 35 | 8 | 543 |
4u3z3w | 35 | What would a Trump administration mean for Tesla? First of all I apologize for being the one to bring politics into this sub. I personally don t care who or what anyone on this sub supports politically. I just wanted to discuss how a Trump administration would affect Tesla over the next 4 years (if it happens). From recent experience it seems that the Republican stance although pro-business on the surface is more like pro business as long as it doesn t threaten our homies in the fossil fuel industries . Trump aligns himself mostly against carbon taxes and other tight environmental regulations but he also claims he s very pro-American industry and pro-American jobs. Tesla basically benefits from tight environmental policy to provide jobs and increase American industry. Would his administration seek to help a rapidly growing American company or would they push to repeal things like cap and trade federal EV rebates and other benefits for Tesla or any other American company that tries to make EV s? P.S. if you have strong political views for or against any particular candidate - remember this is r Tesla not r politics. You ll never convince people to agree with you by arguing with them. | Let me preface this by saying that I am highly critical of both parties and candidates. Hillary has strong union support which I often disagree with (see my post history) and which certainly influenced her vote for TARP which was very much a vote against Tesla. Donald Trump is the most prominent anti-capitalist in America. He has worked for decades to undermine competition in the free market.[^1](https: opinion.ijr.com 2015 11 250083-trump-not-capitalist-heres-evidence-prove ) [^2](http: www.nytimes.com 2016 02 23 opinion campaign-stops donald-trump-crony-capitalist.html?_r=0) [^3](http: www.marketwatch.com story donald-trump-is-no-capitalist-1302540677772) Frivolous litigation [^1](http: www.usatoday.com story news politics elections 2016 06 01 donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles 84995854 ) [^2](http: fortune.com 2016 06 02 trump-organization-lawsuits ) [^3](http: www.usatoday.com story news politics elections 2016 06 01 donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles 84995854 ) bankruptcy [^1](http: www.vanityfair.com news 2015 06 donald-trump-companies-bankruptcy-atlantic-city) [^2]( http: content.time.com time specials packages article 0 28804 2068227_2068229_2068209 00.html) [^3](http: articles.latimes.com 2011 may 11 nation la-na-trump-20110511) eminent domain [^1](http: ij.org case casino-reinvestment-development-authority-v-coking ) [^2](https: www.washingtonpost.com news volokh-conspiracy wp 2015 08 19 donald-trumps-abuse-of-eminent-domain ) [^3](http: www.forbes.com sites georgeleef 2016 03 15 sorry-mr-trump-but-youre-completely-wrong-about-eminent-domain #26955a43405f) [^4](http: www.theatlantic.com politics archive 2015 10 seizing-private-property-is-no-problem-for-donald-trump 409432 ) and other abuses of our court system -- all of which are footed almost entirely by the taxpayers -- are not just a common theme they are his claim to fame. This is his modus operandi. Trump is also strongly anti environmentalist.[^1](http: www.vancitybuzz.com 2015 06 a-dangerous-game-donald-trump-documentary ) He wants his Secretary of Energy to be Harold Hamm a fracking executive who attempted to sabotage the careers of dozens of scientists whose research threatened the public s perception of his business practices.[^2](http: www.bloomberg.com news articles 2015-05-15 oil-tycoon-harold-hamm-wanted-scientists-dismissed-dean-s-e-mail-says) (thanks to u EVMasterRace for [pointing this out](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 4tc7fb tesla_nososecret_master_plan_part_2_discussion d5kem5g?context=1)) It doesn t help his case that some economists have gone as far to say that our economy would be in such grave danger under his leadership that it would lead to global economic instability which certainly wouldn t be beneficial to Tesla. [^1](http: www.politico.com story 2016 03 economist-trump-presidency-global-risk-220887) Capitalism and science are the two core reasons that Tesla Motors is here today and both of them need to be defended. Donald Trump is decidedly the most immediate threat to both of these in the foreseeable future and his presidency must be avoided. | Elon stated during the shareholder meeting that he expects to get beat up in the election cycle . I tend to believe he was aiming that at the Drumpf camp. | 29 | 3 | 544 |
4ukckr | 69 | Anyone else getting calls from Tesla? They re trying to get me into a 60 instead of waiting for the 3. I got a voicemail this morning: Hi Killer! This is so-and-so calling from Tesla Motors. We just want to congratulate you on your Model 3 reservation and we wanted to take an opportunity to talk about the new battery 60 on the Model S. Better price point and might be better suited to your needs and then you wouldn t have to wait for the 3. Call us back and we can talk about it! Anyone else getting these? Seems like they re really trying to alleviate demand for the 3. | I think it s more that they want to sell cars now instead of having people waiting around for the model they don t make yet. | Every factor considered the model S60 is good deal. If I buy model 3 with all the features I want probably will be around $50k. S60 is currently $65k. On the surface it s $15k more expensive. But S60 is at a different level it s worth the price difference. After subtracting the tax and gas savings the true cost is $53k which has lifetime free supercharging and higher resale value. Larger car is also safer. Seems to me buying S60 instead of model 3 is a no-brainer. | 75 | 8 | 545 |
4ukckr | 69 | Anyone else getting calls from Tesla? They re trying to get me into a 60 instead of waiting for the 3. I got a voicemail this morning: Hi Killer! This is so-and-so calling from Tesla Motors. We just want to congratulate you on your Model 3 reservation and we wanted to take an opportunity to talk about the new battery 60 on the Model S. Better price point and might be better suited to your needs and then you wouldn t have to wait for the 3. Call us back and we can talk about it! Anyone else getting these? Seems like they re really trying to alleviate demand for the 3. | I think it s more that they want to sell cars now instead of having people waiting around for the model they don t make yet. | No thanks I won t be able to affordably afford the 3 (at least with options I want) until it s shipping - gotta save up a sizable down payment so that the loan payments are a reasonable amount. I sure can t buy even a Model S60 right now ... | 75 | 14 | 546 |
4ukckr | 69 | Anyone else getting calls from Tesla? They re trying to get me into a 60 instead of waiting for the 3. I got a voicemail this morning: Hi Killer! This is so-and-so calling from Tesla Motors. We just want to congratulate you on your Model 3 reservation and we wanted to take an opportunity to talk about the new battery 60 on the Model S. Better price point and might be better suited to your needs and then you wouldn t have to wait for the 3. Call us back and we can talk about it! Anyone else getting these? Seems like they re really trying to alleviate demand for the 3. | I think it s more that they want to sell cars now instead of having people waiting around for the model they don t make yet. | I would do it for a $10k discount ) | 75 | 22 | 547 |
4uocds | 124 | Apparently Mobileye won t be continuing with Tesla after EyeQ3 chip. link to TMC reference [https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1649475 ](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc posts 1649475 ) | This was to be expected. You can even tell from the dual housing in the Model X it is awfully similar to the one Bosch used in their Model S test vehicle. I believe Tesla is going to use their own bespoke systems especially because of the type of vehicles they will be producing in the future. Mobileye vision is amazing and you have to watch their keynotes. One of the ways they achieved such amazing results is by having 800 annotators teaching a Deep Neural Network (DNN) what the camera frame is looking at. However for a technologically advanced company like Tesla replicating these results shouldn t too difficult. Where the paths with Tesla and Mobileye diverge is probably with the timeline and policy planning (this is the area where you teach the car how to drive). Mobileye even said in one of the keynotes that you cannot have one company do the sensing and the other do the policy planning unless there is very tight collaboration. It is obvious up this point that Tesla and Mobileye collaborated so Mobileye did the sensing and Tesla did the policy planning (the algorithms to remain in lane). This is evident by the fact that Tesla cars are learning using Tesla s own machine learning. It was probably decided that taking this path was too complicated. We will likely see a deeper collaboration between Tesla and Bosch who currently makes the Tesla radars. We have seen from job postings for a couple of years that Tesla is developing its own camera systems so we will likely see bespoke cameras. In terms of the electronics Tesla will build its own triple modular redundant system. This area isn t new for Musk and can easily consult SpaceX for that. I could be wrong but that s my theory. | Well now. Honestly didn t see that coming. I thought there was going to be a partnership for many years. | 53 | 5 | 548 |
4uqp8u | 145 | My Model S was totaled (don t worry already ordered my new one) I had a 2013 Model S (no autopilot no early crash detection etc). I was driving on a major road looked away for a quick second looked back in front of me and SLAMMED into another car that was cut off at the exact moment I looked away. I probably hit the car in front of me around 45 mph. I had 4 people in my car. Two people were hospitalized. My wife was sent because she had just had a baby a few days before (baby was not in the car) and the standard protocol is to do a CT scan to ensure no internal bleeding is ongoing. Another person in the car was hospitalized because she was not wearing her seatbelt and hit her face on the back of a seat (she was sitting in the back seat). Overall no major injuries and everyone was walking around without issue by the end of the day. Very thankful I was driving the safest car on the road. Enjoy the pictures. [Click Here](http: imgur.com a gToIM) P.S. I ordered my new model S as soon as I got the insurance check. The car actually APPRECIATED in value! The new car DEFINITELY has early crash detection as I am confident that would have prevented my accident completely. Edit 1: I thought it would be important to note that the driver who tagged the car that I plowed into from merging fled the scene. Although everyone in the accident was okay still a very shitty thing to. Especially given the Nissan Rogue that I plowed into had 4 kids pile out of the car (everyone was walking away fine). Edit 2: I will also say that Progressive auto Insurance has been A+ throughout the entire ordeal. Very easy to deal with and settled all claims very quickly. | Consumer Reports: Tesla should immediately disable all versions of Model S lacking early crash detection. It is clear from this accident that Model S was rushed to market with no regard for the safety of its early adopters. s | I m glad everyone is ok and that the baby was not in the vehicle. What luck. Also for a split second I thought an airbag deployed in the frunk... then I realized how ridiculous that was. | 60 | 2 | 549 |
4uqp8u | 145 | My Model S was totaled (don t worry already ordered my new one) I had a 2013 Model S (no autopilot no early crash detection etc). I was driving on a major road looked away for a quick second looked back in front of me and SLAMMED into another car that was cut off at the exact moment I looked away. I probably hit the car in front of me around 45 mph. I had 4 people in my car. Two people were hospitalized. My wife was sent because she had just had a baby a few days before (baby was not in the car) and the standard protocol is to do a CT scan to ensure no internal bleeding is ongoing. Another person in the car was hospitalized because she was not wearing her seatbelt and hit her face on the back of a seat (she was sitting in the back seat). Overall no major injuries and everyone was walking around without issue by the end of the day. Very thankful I was driving the safest car on the road. Enjoy the pictures. [Click Here](http: imgur.com a gToIM) P.S. I ordered my new model S as soon as I got the insurance check. The car actually APPRECIATED in value! The new car DEFINITELY has early crash detection as I am confident that would have prevented my accident completely. Edit 1: I thought it would be important to note that the driver who tagged the car that I plowed into from merging fled the scene. Although everyone in the accident was okay still a very shitty thing to. Especially given the Nissan Rogue that I plowed into had 4 kids pile out of the car (everyone was walking away fine). Edit 2: I will also say that Progressive auto Insurance has been A+ throughout the entire ordeal. Very easy to deal with and settled all claims very quickly. | Consumer Reports: Tesla should immediately disable all versions of Model S lacking early crash detection. It is clear from this accident that Model S was rushed to market with no regard for the safety of its early adopters. s | 45mph and no seatbelt and she is fine!? Wow that s pretty amazing. Hope everyone is okay drive safely! | 60 | 6 | 550 |
4uqp8u | 145 | My Model S was totaled (don t worry already ordered my new one) I had a 2013 Model S (no autopilot no early crash detection etc). I was driving on a major road looked away for a quick second looked back in front of me and SLAMMED into another car that was cut off at the exact moment I looked away. I probably hit the car in front of me around 45 mph. I had 4 people in my car. Two people were hospitalized. My wife was sent because she had just had a baby a few days before (baby was not in the car) and the standard protocol is to do a CT scan to ensure no internal bleeding is ongoing. Another person in the car was hospitalized because she was not wearing her seatbelt and hit her face on the back of a seat (she was sitting in the back seat). Overall no major injuries and everyone was walking around without issue by the end of the day. Very thankful I was driving the safest car on the road. Enjoy the pictures. [Click Here](http: imgur.com a gToIM) P.S. I ordered my new model S as soon as I got the insurance check. The car actually APPRECIATED in value! The new car DEFINITELY has early crash detection as I am confident that would have prevented my accident completely. Edit 1: I thought it would be important to note that the driver who tagged the car that I plowed into from merging fled the scene. Although everyone in the accident was okay still a very shitty thing to. Especially given the Nissan Rogue that I plowed into had 4 kids pile out of the car (everyone was walking away fine). Edit 2: I will also say that Progressive auto Insurance has been A+ throughout the entire ordeal. Very easy to deal with and settled all claims very quickly. | Consumer Reports: Tesla should immediately disable all versions of Model S lacking early crash detection. It is clear from this accident that Model S was rushed to market with no regard for the safety of its early adopters. s | Do you mind showing us screenshots of your new order? I m happy everyone is OK and now you are lucky enough to get a brand spanking new facelift model s. | 60 | 10 | 551 |
4v6di4 | 131 | Tesla Gigafactory Grand Opening Event - Please keep all posts here Today is the Gigafactory s Opening Event. ~~It doesn t look like there will be an official livestream by Tesla but a lot of people at the event are likely to send updates and maybe some Periscoping and things like that. If you have a good one ping me and I ll put here for easy access.~~ Update: Elon confirmed there will be a livestream on tesla.com - no time confirmed but presumably 9pm local based on the info below. Please keep all posts related to the Grand Opening here. Some info about the schedule for tonight from the invite: * Invitations are non-transferable and ID will be checked upon arrival. * Guests must arrive at the same time as the primary ticket holder. * **Check-in will open at 5pm**. * **Factory Tours and test rides will be offered on a first to arrive basis from 6-9pm**. Time slots will be allocated at check-in. * **Remarks will begin at 9pm** tours and rides to resume after remarks. * The event will be held both indoors and outdoors we recommend appropriate outerwear in case of cooler weather. * Closed toed shoes must be worn. Flat-heeled shoes recommended. * Children must be over the age of 8 and over 48 inches tall to go on a factory tour. | I can report. There are no pokespots at the Giga factory. | Would like any pictures I could use as a wallpaper and any interior pictures. Thanks | 61 | 2 | 552 |
4v6di4 | 131 | Tesla Gigafactory Grand Opening Event - Please keep all posts here Today is the Gigafactory s Opening Event. ~~It doesn t look like there will be an official livestream by Tesla but a lot of people at the event are likely to send updates and maybe some Periscoping and things like that. If you have a good one ping me and I ll put here for easy access.~~ Update: Elon confirmed there will be a livestream on tesla.com - no time confirmed but presumably 9pm local based on the info below. Please keep all posts related to the Grand Opening here. Some info about the schedule for tonight from the invite: * Invitations are non-transferable and ID will be checked upon arrival. * Guests must arrive at the same time as the primary ticket holder. * **Check-in will open at 5pm**. * **Factory Tours and test rides will be offered on a first to arrive basis from 6-9pm**. Time slots will be allocated at check-in. * **Remarks will begin at 9pm** tours and rides to resume after remarks. * The event will be held both indoors and outdoors we recommend appropriate outerwear in case of cooler weather. * Closed toed shoes must be worn. Flat-heeled shoes recommended. * Children must be over the age of 8 and over 48 inches tall to go on a factory tour. | I can report. There are no pokespots at the Giga factory. | I want to know what AP cameras are in the Model 3s. Dual camera in windshield? | 61 | 2 | 553 |
4v6di4 | 131 | Tesla Gigafactory Grand Opening Event - Please keep all posts here Today is the Gigafactory s Opening Event. ~~It doesn t look like there will be an official livestream by Tesla but a lot of people at the event are likely to send updates and maybe some Periscoping and things like that. If you have a good one ping me and I ll put here for easy access.~~ Update: Elon confirmed there will be a livestream on tesla.com - no time confirmed but presumably 9pm local based on the info below. Please keep all posts related to the Grand Opening here. Some info about the schedule for tonight from the invite: * Invitations are non-transferable and ID will be checked upon arrival. * Guests must arrive at the same time as the primary ticket holder. * **Check-in will open at 5pm**. * **Factory Tours and test rides will be offered on a first to arrive basis from 6-9pm**. Time slots will be allocated at check-in. * **Remarks will begin at 9pm** tours and rides to resume after remarks. * The event will be held both indoors and outdoors we recommend appropriate outerwear in case of cooler weather. * Closed toed shoes must be worn. Flat-heeled shoes recommended. * Children must be over the age of 8 and over 48 inches tall to go on a factory tour. | I can report. There are no pokespots at the Giga factory. | If there is Q & A I d love it if someone asked if the design of the gigafactory operations have been finalized or if there are still parts of it in the air. Not talking about the building but more the vision of how the factory will run and what is required to get there. With the huge variance in potential output numbers it suggests that design process work remains. | 61 | 2 | 554 |
4vbe52 | 104 | Elon has got to stop saying Lithuium is the 3rd most abundant element it s weirdly super incorrect. I ve heard him say that at least twice now.... And it s not even close. Like at all. I get it that he is trying to make people dispel peak lithium doubters but come on. | According to this [WikiPedia graph](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Lithium# media File:Elemental_abundances.svg) lithium still is more abundant then copper zinc lead chrome nickel or tin. (In the Earth crust) Not exactly a rare element. Maybe the 3rd most abundant metal? | According to Wikipedia Lithium beryllium and boron are rare because although they are produced by nuclear fusion they are then destroyed by other reactions in the stars. [Lithium does not even show up in the top 10 most abundant elements in the universe.](http: education.jlab.org glossary abund_uni.html) | 75 | 8 | 555 |
4vbe52 | 104 | Elon has got to stop saying Lithuium is the 3rd most abundant element it s weirdly super incorrect. I ve heard him say that at least twice now.... And it s not even close. Like at all. I get it that he is trying to make people dispel peak lithium doubters but come on. | According to this [WikiPedia graph](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Lithium# media File:Elemental_abundances.svg) lithium still is more abundant then copper zinc lead chrome nickel or tin. (In the Earth crust) Not exactly a rare element. Maybe the 3rd most abundant metal? | Lithium was the [3rd most common element](https: medium.com starts-with-a-bang what-s-the-third-most-common-element-e31790e3638#.6rg7zlieb) for about a 100 million years after the Big Bang so I guess that counts? For a guy who s so knowledgeable about everything to do with his companies this is a weird thing to get (very) wrong. | 75 | 26 | 556 |
4vk9uj | 33 | ELI5: Why does the gigafactory need to be physically so large? Does anyone have an estimate of what percentage of the floor plan would be for cell production vs pack assembly? Are there processes in cell production that are inherently slow thus requiring a ton of them running in parallel and a lot of square footage (and if so what are they)? To my naive mind it seems like pack production would be quick fast with robotic assembly so I don t get why Tesla needs so much room for the gigafactory. | So much room for activities | Raw volume. | 40 | 2 | 557 |
4vk9uj | 33 | ELI5: Why does the gigafactory need to be physically so large? Does anyone have an estimate of what percentage of the floor plan would be for cell production vs pack assembly? Are there processes in cell production that are inherently slow thus requiring a ton of them running in parallel and a lot of square footage (and if so what are they)? To my naive mind it seems like pack production would be quick fast with robotic assembly so I don t get why Tesla needs so much room for the gigafactory. | They re going to do everything under 1 roof. In goes raw metal and materials out comes battery packs and maybe cars eventually. There s nothing like this (for batteries) anywhere else in the world. And not to mention the plan is to make more than double the amount of batteries in 1 building than the entire world created in 2014. They need a lot of space. | Raw volume. | 33 | 2 | 558 |
4vk9uj | 33 | ELI5: Why does the gigafactory need to be physically so large? Does anyone have an estimate of what percentage of the floor plan would be for cell production vs pack assembly? Are there processes in cell production that are inherently slow thus requiring a ton of them running in parallel and a lot of square footage (and if so what are they)? To my naive mind it seems like pack production would be quick fast with robotic assembly so I don t get why Tesla needs so much room for the gigafactory. | So much room for activities | Think of this way. If they want to do 500 000 cars a year to start. They need to pump out fast. And if they pump up fast they need place to store it along multiple parts of the process and then storage needs until they put it on a train and ship it off to California. | 40 | 11 | 559 |
4w00v5 | 84 | Second Quarter 2016 Financial Results Q& A Conference Call Discussion Thread - Please keep posts comments here for now Events page: http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm Webcast link: http: edge.media-server.com m p a6536kbs The call starts at 2:30PM PST. UTC time is 21.30 ( u FoxhoundBat) Please keep discussions and links here to avoid multiple reposts link-jacks flooding the front page. Thank you! Edit: time and [Link to Shareholder letter here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2563282044x0x903036 562D56A1-5426-4D79-8B99-3408D1B60226 Q2_16_Update_Letter_-_final.pdf) Edit: suggested sort changed to new for those of you that can t listen in and want details as the conference call is ongoing | Full autonomy will come a hell of a lot faster than anyone expects... Some of the things that we are working on will blow your mind... It blows my mind -Elon | Any chance we can add the historic quarterly graph that is sometimes included in these posts? I think it tracked EPS or something... Trying to find but I m on mobile. | 55 | 2 | 560 |
4w00v5 | 84 | Second Quarter 2016 Financial Results Q& A Conference Call Discussion Thread - Please keep posts comments here for now Events page: http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm Webcast link: http: edge.media-server.com m p a6536kbs The call starts at 2:30PM PST. UTC time is 21.30 ( u FoxhoundBat) Please keep discussions and links here to avoid multiple reposts link-jacks flooding the front page. Thank you! Edit: time and [Link to Shareholder letter here](http: files.shareholder.com downloads ABEA-4CW8X0 2563282044x0x903036 562D56A1-5426-4D79-8B99-3408D1B60226 Q2_16_Update_Letter_-_final.pdf) Edit: suggested sort changed to new for those of you that can t listen in and want details as the conference call is ongoing | Full autonomy will come a hell of a lot faster than anyone expects... Some of the things that we are working on will blow your mind... It blows my mind -Elon | Here we go... | 55 | 2 | 561 |
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4w53nd | 501 | PSA: Tesla outed me to my spouse. I secretly reserved a Model 3 for my wife but yesterday two thank you cards showed up in the mail and now she knows. She talked to a friend and she said she found out the same way that her husband secretly reserved a Model 3 for himself. Take precautions for the ensuing marital strife. | Busted! Did she pick a color yet? | Should have thought ahead amigo. You knew they were coming... you should have expected them and or made it into a surprise. Tsk tsk. | 116 | 51 | 563 |
4w53nd | 501 | PSA: Tesla outed me to my spouse. I secretly reserved a Model 3 for my wife but yesterday two thank you cards showed up in the mail and now she knows. She talked to a friend and she said she found out the same way that her husband secretly reserved a Model 3 for himself. Take precautions for the ensuing marital strife. | Am I the only one that thought from the title that somehow Tesla got you out of the closet? | Why d you give them your home address?! | 39 | 2 | 564 |
4w53nd | 501 | PSA: Tesla outed me to my spouse. I secretly reserved a Model 3 for my wife but yesterday two thank you cards showed up in the mail and now she knows. She talked to a friend and she said she found out the same way that her husband secretly reserved a Model 3 for himself. Take precautions for the ensuing marital strife. | Am I the only one that thought from the title that somehow Tesla got you out of the closet? | We all know it was for yourself and now she found out you re telling her and the world that it was for her :D | 39 | 2 | 565 |
4wn1zs | 131 | I feel a bit ashamed to ask this here but am I the only one who thinks Tesla High-Fidelity sound system doesn t sound all that great? Let the down votes come but I have listened to quite a few luxury car stereo systems before making this decision and even the stock BMW and even Nissan audio systems sounds much better than the Tesla High-Fidelity sound system (or so I ve been told that the two Model S I tried had upgraded sound — they may not have). Don t get me wrong the bass and treble is great but the overall acoustics seem off. The bass seemed to come from under the dashboard and a higher volume tended to rattle & crack the tweeters. There was audible distortion when there was mid-level bass and treble at the same time. At first I thought it was just the one Model S (2013 P85) but I tested it in a 2016 facelift Model S 75D as well and same experience. I thought it could have been the Slacker music service but then I paired my own phone and tried it with Apple Music but still no luck. I really want to give the sound system a chance. I want to love it and it s *good* but it s not as good as Tesla says and it s definitely not $2 500 good. What are your thoughts? | I had a loaner Model S P85+ (with the Hi-Fi sound option) a couple weeks ago while my 70D (with standard sound system) was being worked on and listening to the systems back to back with high quality files played from a USB flash drive the Hi-Fi system doesn t sound that much better. I mean you can tell that the Hi-Fi system has a subwoofer but it s a pretty pathetic one and yes the highs are a little sharper clearer... but the system certainly isn t worth $2500 as far as I m concerned. | Would you say the stock sound is sufficient? I m thinking about the high fidelity but I ve only heard bad things. | 40 | 2 | 566 |
4wn1zs | 131 | I feel a bit ashamed to ask this here but am I the only one who thinks Tesla High-Fidelity sound system doesn t sound all that great? Let the down votes come but I have listened to quite a few luxury car stereo systems before making this decision and even the stock BMW and even Nissan audio systems sounds much better than the Tesla High-Fidelity sound system (or so I ve been told that the two Model S I tried had upgraded sound — they may not have). Don t get me wrong the bass and treble is great but the overall acoustics seem off. The bass seemed to come from under the dashboard and a higher volume tended to rattle & crack the tweeters. There was audible distortion when there was mid-level bass and treble at the same time. At first I thought it was just the one Model S (2013 P85) but I tested it in a 2016 facelift Model S 75D as well and same experience. I thought it could have been the Slacker music service but then I paired my own phone and tried it with Apple Music but still no luck. I really want to give the sound system a chance. I want to love it and it s *good* but it s not as good as Tesla says and it s definitely not $2 500 good. What are your thoughts? | I had a loaner Model S P85+ (with the Hi-Fi sound option) a couple weeks ago while my 70D (with standard sound system) was being worked on and listening to the systems back to back with high quality files played from a USB flash drive the Hi-Fi system doesn t sound that much better. I mean you can tell that the Hi-Fi system has a subwoofer but it s a pretty pathetic one and yes the highs are a little sharper clearer... but the system certainly isn t worth $2500 as far as I m concerned. | You aren t the only one I think the general consensus is that it is a sub-par system when compared with other luxury audio setups. I ve heard that turning off Dolby helps a lot though. *I haven t heard either the standard or premium systems myself | 40 | 8 | 567 |
4wn1zs | 131 | I feel a bit ashamed to ask this here but am I the only one who thinks Tesla High-Fidelity sound system doesn t sound all that great? Let the down votes come but I have listened to quite a few luxury car stereo systems before making this decision and even the stock BMW and even Nissan audio systems sounds much better than the Tesla High-Fidelity sound system (or so I ve been told that the two Model S I tried had upgraded sound — they may not have). Don t get me wrong the bass and treble is great but the overall acoustics seem off. The bass seemed to come from under the dashboard and a higher volume tended to rattle & crack the tweeters. There was audible distortion when there was mid-level bass and treble at the same time. At first I thought it was just the one Model S (2013 P85) but I tested it in a 2016 facelift Model S 75D as well and same experience. I thought it could have been the Slacker music service but then I paired my own phone and tried it with Apple Music but still no luck. I really want to give the sound system a chance. I want to love it and it s *good* but it s not as good as Tesla says and it s definitely not $2 500 good. What are your thoughts? | I had a loaner Model S P85+ (with the Hi-Fi sound option) a couple weeks ago while my 70D (with standard sound system) was being worked on and listening to the systems back to back with high quality files played from a USB flash drive the Hi-Fi system doesn t sound that much better. I mean you can tell that the Hi-Fi system has a subwoofer but it s a pretty pathetic one and yes the highs are a little sharper clearer... but the system certainly isn t worth $2500 as far as I m concerned. | I have it in my MX and it s just as disappointing as the bose system in my wife s Porsche Macan... | 40 | 9 | 568 |
4wz9vo | 79 | Really bad experience with sales rep - Tesla Rocklin My friend and I had a pretty bad experience at Rocklin Tesla this Saturday. I booked my Model 3 a while ago and I was getting emails from Tesla to test drive model S. So I requested the test drive at Rocklin store and I waited about a week but nobody got back to me. Anyways couple of days later my friend (from central valley) called me and said he wants to test drive the new model S. So my friend his dad and and me - we (are Sikhs and wear turbans) all went to the Rocklin Tesla store to test drive. While driving to Rocklin I gave my friends a heads up that Rocklin is a pretty white town and be prepared for racist remarks. My friend laughed it off and said that its Tesla not your typical car company. So when we got there the Tesla sales rep wasn t very welcoming. After he asked us what brought us to the store his second question was - do you know how much does Model S cost? $#%@! I was proven right - This dude guessed our income by our skin color and turbans!!! And I asked him that I requested a test drive and nobody contacted me - he said not sure what happened and told us that there are no open slots before 4PM and it was noon. I guess he just wanted us to leave! While walking out of the store my friend told him that his tax liabilities are in 6 figures every year and his current Audi BMWs are more expensive than his Model S - the rep immediately changed his attitude and hooked us up with another rep cleared all calendars and took us all for a test drive. This is freaking ridiculous! If anyone from Tesla is reading this - when you send emails asking customers to test drive please ask them to bring their tax returns and net worth papers. Did anyone else had similar experience at Tesla or is it just Rocklin as usual? **UPDATE 1** : Response to some of the Qs below. And thanks everyone for your comments. 1. Why didn t we talk to the store manager? - Because we had to drive for 2 hours to get to a party in the evening and I assumed store managers are generally protective of their employees and peers - so I don t expect much from them. So I decided to go home and share my experience online with broader audience. 2. Why did we talk about our tax return and other expensive cars? - The sales rep wasn t taking us seriously and while doing his thing on the iPad he asked if we had any trade-in? My friend told him that his Audi A8 lease will be up soon and he can trade that in. Also my friend inquired about business tax incentives (not the Fed and State EV tax credit) - I think if the car weighs more than 6000 lbs you can write off 40% as depreciation in year one and that is how we got into tax discussions. This is when the sales rep started taking us more seriously. We had no intention to show off finances or play the victim card. 3. Rocklin is a racist town - My Asian coworkers reported similar experiences. One of my friend was asked to leave the store - I think it was a sunglass hut or something. The store rep manager was a white dude and he told my friend - I don t think you will find anything at this store 4. OP creates a new Reddit account to complain about it - I have been a Reddit reader for a long time but never created or posted before. Anything wrong with creating an account and sharing your experience? You have to start someday somewhere! Its sad that my first post is about my bad experience. 5. General comment - In the near future Tesla will be selling $250 solar panel to $250 000 trucks. I hope they don t become the next Comcast. I m all for Tesla and wish them nothing but success. I m not a stock holder but believer in green future and have been patiently waiting for Model 3 :) **UPDATE 2**: Store manager Jessica called me this morning. She apologized for the experience we had and offered help in any way to make things right. She said that she will make sure that everyone feels welcomed and this is not what Tesla or her store or the employees stand for. Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions. We still love Tesla as a company and the latest technology it has to offer. We will be buying Model S and Model 3 in the near future for sure :) One last suggestion to sales staff (regardless of where they work) - In today s day and age customers have a pretty good idea about pricing and products before they walk into a store. Most of us Tesla fans probably use the online calculator every few weeks. So rather than asking customers if they know about the price just wait for the customer to ask if they are not sure or make a statement saying Model 3 starts at $35k Model S sound $70 and so on - now which one would you like to test drive today? | Ugh yeah that s dirty and certainly not typical of what I understand Tesla to be as a company. [www.tesla.com contact](https: www.tesla.com contact) | Why not talk to the store manager directly? | 55 | 4 | 569 |
4wz9vo | 79 | Really bad experience with sales rep - Tesla Rocklin My friend and I had a pretty bad experience at Rocklin Tesla this Saturday. I booked my Model 3 a while ago and I was getting emails from Tesla to test drive model S. So I requested the test drive at Rocklin store and I waited about a week but nobody got back to me. Anyways couple of days later my friend (from central valley) called me and said he wants to test drive the new model S. So my friend his dad and and me - we (are Sikhs and wear turbans) all went to the Rocklin Tesla store to test drive. While driving to Rocklin I gave my friends a heads up that Rocklin is a pretty white town and be prepared for racist remarks. My friend laughed it off and said that its Tesla not your typical car company. So when we got there the Tesla sales rep wasn t very welcoming. After he asked us what brought us to the store his second question was - do you know how much does Model S cost? $#%@! I was proven right - This dude guessed our income by our skin color and turbans!!! And I asked him that I requested a test drive and nobody contacted me - he said not sure what happened and told us that there are no open slots before 4PM and it was noon. I guess he just wanted us to leave! While walking out of the store my friend told him that his tax liabilities are in 6 figures every year and his current Audi BMWs are more expensive than his Model S - the rep immediately changed his attitude and hooked us up with another rep cleared all calendars and took us all for a test drive. This is freaking ridiculous! If anyone from Tesla is reading this - when you send emails asking customers to test drive please ask them to bring their tax returns and net worth papers. Did anyone else had similar experience at Tesla or is it just Rocklin as usual? **UPDATE 1** : Response to some of the Qs below. And thanks everyone for your comments. 1. Why didn t we talk to the store manager? - Because we had to drive for 2 hours to get to a party in the evening and I assumed store managers are generally protective of their employees and peers - so I don t expect much from them. So I decided to go home and share my experience online with broader audience. 2. Why did we talk about our tax return and other expensive cars? - The sales rep wasn t taking us seriously and while doing his thing on the iPad he asked if we had any trade-in? My friend told him that his Audi A8 lease will be up soon and he can trade that in. Also my friend inquired about business tax incentives (not the Fed and State EV tax credit) - I think if the car weighs more than 6000 lbs you can write off 40% as depreciation in year one and that is how we got into tax discussions. This is when the sales rep started taking us more seriously. We had no intention to show off finances or play the victim card. 3. Rocklin is a racist town - My Asian coworkers reported similar experiences. One of my friend was asked to leave the store - I think it was a sunglass hut or something. The store rep manager was a white dude and he told my friend - I don t think you will find anything at this store 4. OP creates a new Reddit account to complain about it - I have been a Reddit reader for a long time but never created or posted before. Anything wrong with creating an account and sharing your experience? You have to start someday somewhere! Its sad that my first post is about my bad experience. 5. General comment - In the near future Tesla will be selling $250 solar panel to $250 000 trucks. I hope they don t become the next Comcast. I m all for Tesla and wish them nothing but success. I m not a stock holder but believer in green future and have been patiently waiting for Model 3 :) **UPDATE 2**: Store manager Jessica called me this morning. She apologized for the experience we had and offered help in any way to make things right. She said that she will make sure that everyone feels welcomed and this is not what Tesla or her store or the employees stand for. Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions. We still love Tesla as a company and the latest technology it has to offer. We will be buying Model S and Model 3 in the near future for sure :) One last suggestion to sales staff (regardless of where they work) - In today s day and age customers have a pretty good idea about pricing and products before they walk into a store. Most of us Tesla fans probably use the online calculator every few weeks. So rather than asking customers if they know about the price just wait for the customer to ask if they are not sure or make a statement saying Model 3 starts at $35k Model S sound $70 and so on - now which one would you like to test drive today? | Ugh yeah that s dirty and certainly not typical of what I understand Tesla to be as a company. [www.tesla.com contact](https: www.tesla.com contact) | Maybe post this on tesla motors club or shoot tesla elon a tweet? If I didn t feel welcome I d definitely let the company know especially if I am about to make a large purchase. | 55 | 10 | 570 |
4wz9vo | 79 | Really bad experience with sales rep - Tesla Rocklin My friend and I had a pretty bad experience at Rocklin Tesla this Saturday. I booked my Model 3 a while ago and I was getting emails from Tesla to test drive model S. So I requested the test drive at Rocklin store and I waited about a week but nobody got back to me. Anyways couple of days later my friend (from central valley) called me and said he wants to test drive the new model S. So my friend his dad and and me - we (are Sikhs and wear turbans) all went to the Rocklin Tesla store to test drive. While driving to Rocklin I gave my friends a heads up that Rocklin is a pretty white town and be prepared for racist remarks. My friend laughed it off and said that its Tesla not your typical car company. So when we got there the Tesla sales rep wasn t very welcoming. After he asked us what brought us to the store his second question was - do you know how much does Model S cost? $#%@! I was proven right - This dude guessed our income by our skin color and turbans!!! And I asked him that I requested a test drive and nobody contacted me - he said not sure what happened and told us that there are no open slots before 4PM and it was noon. I guess he just wanted us to leave! While walking out of the store my friend told him that his tax liabilities are in 6 figures every year and his current Audi BMWs are more expensive than his Model S - the rep immediately changed his attitude and hooked us up with another rep cleared all calendars and took us all for a test drive. This is freaking ridiculous! If anyone from Tesla is reading this - when you send emails asking customers to test drive please ask them to bring their tax returns and net worth papers. Did anyone else had similar experience at Tesla or is it just Rocklin as usual? **UPDATE 1** : Response to some of the Qs below. And thanks everyone for your comments. 1. Why didn t we talk to the store manager? - Because we had to drive for 2 hours to get to a party in the evening and I assumed store managers are generally protective of their employees and peers - so I don t expect much from them. So I decided to go home and share my experience online with broader audience. 2. Why did we talk about our tax return and other expensive cars? - The sales rep wasn t taking us seriously and while doing his thing on the iPad he asked if we had any trade-in? My friend told him that his Audi A8 lease will be up soon and he can trade that in. Also my friend inquired about business tax incentives (not the Fed and State EV tax credit) - I think if the car weighs more than 6000 lbs you can write off 40% as depreciation in year one and that is how we got into tax discussions. This is when the sales rep started taking us more seriously. We had no intention to show off finances or play the victim card. 3. Rocklin is a racist town - My Asian coworkers reported similar experiences. One of my friend was asked to leave the store - I think it was a sunglass hut or something. The store rep manager was a white dude and he told my friend - I don t think you will find anything at this store 4. OP creates a new Reddit account to complain about it - I have been a Reddit reader for a long time but never created or posted before. Anything wrong with creating an account and sharing your experience? You have to start someday somewhere! Its sad that my first post is about my bad experience. 5. General comment - In the near future Tesla will be selling $250 solar panel to $250 000 trucks. I hope they don t become the next Comcast. I m all for Tesla and wish them nothing but success. I m not a stock holder but believer in green future and have been patiently waiting for Model 3 :) **UPDATE 2**: Store manager Jessica called me this morning. She apologized for the experience we had and offered help in any way to make things right. She said that she will make sure that everyone feels welcomed and this is not what Tesla or her store or the employees stand for. Thank you everyone for your responses and suggestions. We still love Tesla as a company and the latest technology it has to offer. We will be buying Model S and Model 3 in the near future for sure :) One last suggestion to sales staff (regardless of where they work) - In today s day and age customers have a pretty good idea about pricing and products before they walk into a store. Most of us Tesla fans probably use the online calculator every few weeks. So rather than asking customers if they know about the price just wait for the customer to ask if they are not sure or make a statement saying Model 3 starts at $35k Model S sound $70 and so on - now which one would you like to test drive today? | Ugh yeah that s dirty and certainly not typical of what I understand Tesla to be as a company. [www.tesla.com contact](https: www.tesla.com contact) | Small-minded asswipes. Yet another category of dinosaur I can t wait to see die off. Sorry you went through this OP! | 55 | 10 | 571 |
4y1w3b | 60 | Tesla features wish list help add Hey all so had my Tesla for couple months and while I love it there s many features I miss and wish we had. I hold out hope for OTA updates. - volume fade up after pause instead of blasting exact same volume level instantly - programmable warning notification from Tesla app to plug in your car if it s not plugged in past a certain time in evening - Bluetooth music management on screen - Spotify integration - turn off signal after completing an autopilot lane change. - save climate settings immediately. Car will forget the last settings you had before exiting the vehicle and will revert to the one prior. It s non sense. - phone notifications on screen such as a text message. I know the driver safety argument but honestly I m gonna pull my phone off the dock and check when I get a chance anyways so just show me on screen. At least then I know if it can easily be ignored. There s more I can t think of. How about you guys? Some of these features are so basic and available on cars a quarter of the price that it s frustrating Tesla doesn t have it. Ill never understand the mentality of down voting this. | ACTUAL Camping mode! * Leaves the main display bottom bar (climate control) options enabled * Turns on a setting similar to screen cleaning mode (e.g. a hold-to-exit button in the middle screen black except for bottom bar and dimmed overall) * Instrument cluster off. * Car in park doors locked until a door opens * Charging enabled (Connecting to a supercharger will give an audible reminder tone and message on the now-brightened screen to move after 1 hour). Example: Roll up to a camp site set up mattress in back. Park use charger if applicable and enter rear of car. Close doors reach forward to touch screen and enable camping mode. Warn that battery will drain at an accelerated rate and car will lock until doors are opened (press ok to continue). Car locks Screen Dims A C goes to auto at selected temperature. If a door is opened from interior all doors unlock and are unlocked until camper mode is enabled again (to prevent key fob and cell phone from being locked in car). | Ability to send a digital ekey to friends or family who borrow the car so I don t have to worry about them loosing the fob. I tend to loose small items a lot so it would be great for me. I would forget my head if it wasn t attached. | 31 | 3 | 572 |
4y1w3b | 60 | Tesla features wish list help add Hey all so had my Tesla for couple months and while I love it there s many features I miss and wish we had. I hold out hope for OTA updates. - volume fade up after pause instead of blasting exact same volume level instantly - programmable warning notification from Tesla app to plug in your car if it s not plugged in past a certain time in evening - Bluetooth music management on screen - Spotify integration - turn off signal after completing an autopilot lane change. - save climate settings immediately. Car will forget the last settings you had before exiting the vehicle and will revert to the one prior. It s non sense. - phone notifications on screen such as a text message. I know the driver safety argument but honestly I m gonna pull my phone off the dock and check when I get a chance anyways so just show me on screen. At least then I know if it can easily be ignored. There s more I can t think of. How about you guys? Some of these features are so basic and available on cars a quarter of the price that it s frustrating Tesla doesn t have it. Ill never understand the mentality of down voting this. | ACTUAL Camping mode! * Leaves the main display bottom bar (climate control) options enabled * Turns on a setting similar to screen cleaning mode (e.g. a hold-to-exit button in the middle screen black except for bottom bar and dimmed overall) * Instrument cluster off. * Car in park doors locked until a door opens * Charging enabled (Connecting to a supercharger will give an audible reminder tone and message on the now-brightened screen to move after 1 hour). Example: Roll up to a camp site set up mattress in back. Park use charger if applicable and enter rear of car. Close doors reach forward to touch screen and enable camping mode. Warn that battery will drain at an accelerated rate and car will lock until doors are opened (press ok to continue). Car locks Screen Dims A C goes to auto at selected temperature. If a door is opened from interior all doors unlock and are unlocked until camper mode is enabled again (to prevent key fob and cell phone from being locked in car). | 1. Way to make AC not turn back on when you exit car and open another door especially back door to get something out. 2. a way to see statistics on how many mins or miles per trip or in total are autopilot vs manual. 3. Waze integration. 4. Ability to mirror certain apps from phone | 31 | 4 | 573 |
4y64ve | 100 | Enabling higher voltage batteries: Dr. Jeff Dahn Tesla battery expert and professor at Dalhousie university released a new paper last week...it s actually a pretty big deal. Sometimes the press takes time to getting around to publishing articles on these things so I thought I would do a terrible job summarizing the results now. Historically (past 30 years) in the battery research community Ethylene carbonate (EC) has been known as the solvent that enabled lithium ion batteries to exist. Without EC something known as the Solid-Electrolyte Interphase (SEI) layer wouldn t form and the the battery would loose capacity over very few charge discharge cycles. Between the 1950s and 1980s EC wasn t known about and lithium energy storage was written off by some researchers as impossible. Quite remarkably the only thing over those 30 years that had to be figured out (as far as the electrolyte was concerned) was the removal of a single methyl group from the solvent. But I digress EC is needed in the battery to form the SEI layer. Or so it was thought. There have been many recent developments and Dr. Dahn s group has just shown that complete removal of EC is now enabling substantially longer cycle life of 4.5 Volt batteries. Higher voltage batteries leads to higher energy density and thus greater range for electric vehicles. Alternatively this technology could be used for existing voltage batteries and may lead to better durability. Either way it s a win for the EV. [Here s the scientific article](http: www.sciencedirect.com science article pii S037877531631014X) -- TL DR: Xia et al. removed something from Li-ion batteries and made them have more energy for more cycles. | Here is Dahn s [excellent seminar](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9qi03QawZEk) on the function and limitations of lithium batteries. Its a must watch. Set speed to 1.25 though. Dahn taught a handful of students who later went on to work at Tesla and now himself has a research position at Tesla. At [42 minutes](https: youtu.be 9qi03QawZEk?t=2519) Dahn gives a simple explanation of the SEI layer. An SEI layer is important because it prevents other bad reactions from occurring in significant amounts. The SEI layer drawback is that it eventually accumulates to the point of impeding ion movement. This paper is about using a new electrolyte combination that allows an SEI layer to form but (I m guessing) also allows the SEI layer to grow slowly even at higher voltages. _________________ What this means for Tesla: * This paper is about NMC (nickel-manganese-cobalt) graphite Li-ion cells. Tesla uses NAC (aluminum) in vehicles because aluminum is half the weight of manganese. I think Tesla uses NMC in stationary storage. This could potentially allow Tesla to use NMC batteries in vehicles too. This electrolyte technology might also be usable in NAC batteries with similar results too. * If this substantially increases cell lifetime it could be *big* for stationary storage. Say a grid battery costs $200 kWh and solar costs $0.05 kWh. If the battery has a usable lifetime of 4 000 cycles then it costs ($200 4 000 cycles) kWh + $0.05 kWh = $0.10 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. If the $200 kWh battery has a usable lifetime of 8 000 cycles it costs $0.075 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. * I want to say increased cell voltage also means charge times will be reduced. If the cell anode cathode chemistry is the same but the electrolyte allows more migration of ions per unit energy then hasn t the internal resistance of the cell effectively dropped? | Jeffery in Dalhousie! | 38 | 4 | 574 |
4y64ve | 100 | Enabling higher voltage batteries: Dr. Jeff Dahn Tesla battery expert and professor at Dalhousie university released a new paper last week...it s actually a pretty big deal. Sometimes the press takes time to getting around to publishing articles on these things so I thought I would do a terrible job summarizing the results now. Historically (past 30 years) in the battery research community Ethylene carbonate (EC) has been known as the solvent that enabled lithium ion batteries to exist. Without EC something known as the Solid-Electrolyte Interphase (SEI) layer wouldn t form and the the battery would loose capacity over very few charge discharge cycles. Between the 1950s and 1980s EC wasn t known about and lithium energy storage was written off by some researchers as impossible. Quite remarkably the only thing over those 30 years that had to be figured out (as far as the electrolyte was concerned) was the removal of a single methyl group from the solvent. But I digress EC is needed in the battery to form the SEI layer. Or so it was thought. There have been many recent developments and Dr. Dahn s group has just shown that complete removal of EC is now enabling substantially longer cycle life of 4.5 Volt batteries. Higher voltage batteries leads to higher energy density and thus greater range for electric vehicles. Alternatively this technology could be used for existing voltage batteries and may lead to better durability. Either way it s a win for the EV. [Here s the scientific article](http: www.sciencedirect.com science article pii S037877531631014X) -- TL DR: Xia et al. removed something from Li-ion batteries and made them have more energy for more cycles. | Here is Dahn s [excellent seminar](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9qi03QawZEk) on the function and limitations of lithium batteries. Its a must watch. Set speed to 1.25 though. Dahn taught a handful of students who later went on to work at Tesla and now himself has a research position at Tesla. At [42 minutes](https: youtu.be 9qi03QawZEk?t=2519) Dahn gives a simple explanation of the SEI layer. An SEI layer is important because it prevents other bad reactions from occurring in significant amounts. The SEI layer drawback is that it eventually accumulates to the point of impeding ion movement. This paper is about using a new electrolyte combination that allows an SEI layer to form but (I m guessing) also allows the SEI layer to grow slowly even at higher voltages. _________________ What this means for Tesla: * This paper is about NMC (nickel-manganese-cobalt) graphite Li-ion cells. Tesla uses NAC (aluminum) in vehicles because aluminum is half the weight of manganese. I think Tesla uses NMC in stationary storage. This could potentially allow Tesla to use NMC batteries in vehicles too. This electrolyte technology might also be usable in NAC batteries with similar results too. * If this substantially increases cell lifetime it could be *big* for stationary storage. Say a grid battery costs $200 kWh and solar costs $0.05 kWh. If the battery has a usable lifetime of 4 000 cycles then it costs ($200 4 000 cycles) kWh + $0.05 kWh = $0.10 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. If the $200 kWh battery has a usable lifetime of 8 000 cycles it costs $0.075 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. * I want to say increased cell voltage also means charge times will be reduced. If the cell anode cathode chemistry is the same but the electrolyte allows more migration of ions per unit energy then hasn t the internal resistance of the cell effectively dropped? | Indeed interesting. I did not buy the full report but thanks for sharing anyway ! | 38 | 5 | 575 |
4y64ve | 100 | Enabling higher voltage batteries: Dr. Jeff Dahn Tesla battery expert and professor at Dalhousie university released a new paper last week...it s actually a pretty big deal. Sometimes the press takes time to getting around to publishing articles on these things so I thought I would do a terrible job summarizing the results now. Historically (past 30 years) in the battery research community Ethylene carbonate (EC) has been known as the solvent that enabled lithium ion batteries to exist. Without EC something known as the Solid-Electrolyte Interphase (SEI) layer wouldn t form and the the battery would loose capacity over very few charge discharge cycles. Between the 1950s and 1980s EC wasn t known about and lithium energy storage was written off by some researchers as impossible. Quite remarkably the only thing over those 30 years that had to be figured out (as far as the electrolyte was concerned) was the removal of a single methyl group from the solvent. But I digress EC is needed in the battery to form the SEI layer. Or so it was thought. There have been many recent developments and Dr. Dahn s group has just shown that complete removal of EC is now enabling substantially longer cycle life of 4.5 Volt batteries. Higher voltage batteries leads to higher energy density and thus greater range for electric vehicles. Alternatively this technology could be used for existing voltage batteries and may lead to better durability. Either way it s a win for the EV. [Here s the scientific article](http: www.sciencedirect.com science article pii S037877531631014X) -- TL DR: Xia et al. removed something from Li-ion batteries and made them have more energy for more cycles. | Here is Dahn s [excellent seminar](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=9qi03QawZEk) on the function and limitations of lithium batteries. Its a must watch. Set speed to 1.25 though. Dahn taught a handful of students who later went on to work at Tesla and now himself has a research position at Tesla. At [42 minutes](https: youtu.be 9qi03QawZEk?t=2519) Dahn gives a simple explanation of the SEI layer. An SEI layer is important because it prevents other bad reactions from occurring in significant amounts. The SEI layer drawback is that it eventually accumulates to the point of impeding ion movement. This paper is about using a new electrolyte combination that allows an SEI layer to form but (I m guessing) also allows the SEI layer to grow slowly even at higher voltages. _________________ What this means for Tesla: * This paper is about NMC (nickel-manganese-cobalt) graphite Li-ion cells. Tesla uses NAC (aluminum) in vehicles because aluminum is half the weight of manganese. I think Tesla uses NMC in stationary storage. This could potentially allow Tesla to use NMC batteries in vehicles too. This electrolyte technology might also be usable in NAC batteries with similar results too. * If this substantially increases cell lifetime it could be *big* for stationary storage. Say a grid battery costs $200 kWh and solar costs $0.05 kWh. If the battery has a usable lifetime of 4 000 cycles then it costs ($200 4 000 cycles) kWh + $0.05 kWh = $0.10 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. If the $200 kWh battery has a usable lifetime of 8 000 cycles it costs $0.075 kWh to deliver solar energy at night. * I want to say increased cell voltage also means charge times will be reduced. If the cell anode cathode chemistry is the same but the electrolyte allows more migration of ions per unit energy then hasn t the internal resistance of the cell effectively dropped? | More cycles is very useful for stationary storage which charges and discharges everyday like Powerwall and powerpack. Since I believe durability is good enough in Tesla cars I think more density is more desirable for EVs. | 38 | 8 | 576 |
4yq27z | 93 | I have to admit that I am not impressed with Tesla s service thus far I ve had my Model S since the beginning of July. About a week after taking delivery I noticed that when the vehicle was parked outside under the hot sun for a few hours there would be a clicking sound coming from what appeared to be the center of the panoramic roof when I drive. I called the nearest service center and was advised to bring it in. When I arrived at the service center I was told that thery wouldn t really be able to do anything as they were booked up and that I d have to make a future opponent. I took the earliest available appointment. Since it wasn t a safety issue I got pushed out about 5 weeks to Aug 25. Somewhat annoying but more of a first world problem so I won t throw a hissy fit over it. However I experienced a much more serious problem with the car yesterday. As I was exiting the vehicle the seat belt buckle was difficult to release. Upon further inspection the release mechanism seems to be failing. I m no mechanic but if I had to guess by the feel it seems like a spring has failed underneath the button. I called the service center an hour ago and they were very noncommittal about servicing the vehicle today. I m going to take it in but I fully expect that the problem will not be resolved today and that I ll have to use the car with this problem until Thursday the day of my scheduled appointment. My main concern is that I am going to literally get stuck in the car. The release button mechanism seems to be failing so badly that it s extremely difficult to get the belt to release. So my choices are to use the belt and risk not being able to remove it or not use it an even worse risk. Do I have a right to be perturbed about this or am I being too much of a drama queen? I mean I still love the car and wouldn t trade it for anything. I guess I m just a little disappointed in the service side of things thus far. Edit: After monkeying around with the buckle a bit more it almost seems like it s just getting stuck (could be dirt or some other debris in there) so my initial assumption of a failed spring may be incorrect. I m going to try cleaning it a bit to see if that helps. Thanks for responses. I m glad I seem to be seeing the situation the same way as everyone else here. Edit 2: I really appreciate the feedback. The seatbelt is still acting funny. Fortunately I don t have to drive much until my appointment on Thursday. Since it mainly seems to be working (the only real fear is that the release button may not release the belt and I d have to cut the belt). While obviously not ideal I m comfortable with the situation at this point. I want to reiterate that I love this car and wouldn t trade it for the world. Whenever people ask me if I like my Model S I tell them the same thing every single time that I don t think I can ever own another type of car. | Of course you have the right to be pissed off. You bought a high-end luxury sedan and what they gave you is a car whose most basic safety equipment doesn t work. | They usually prioritize safety issues as well as problems where you can no longer drive so they might fix it. If they can t fix fast it maybe ask for a loaner if you are really worried. Otherwise you could get a seatbelt cutter for a few bucks if you really have an emergency (might come useful one day anyway). | 79 | 7 | 577 |
4yq27z | 93 | I have to admit that I am not impressed with Tesla s service thus far I ve had my Model S since the beginning of July. About a week after taking delivery I noticed that when the vehicle was parked outside under the hot sun for a few hours there would be a clicking sound coming from what appeared to be the center of the panoramic roof when I drive. I called the nearest service center and was advised to bring it in. When I arrived at the service center I was told that thery wouldn t really be able to do anything as they were booked up and that I d have to make a future opponent. I took the earliest available appointment. Since it wasn t a safety issue I got pushed out about 5 weeks to Aug 25. Somewhat annoying but more of a first world problem so I won t throw a hissy fit over it. However I experienced a much more serious problem with the car yesterday. As I was exiting the vehicle the seat belt buckle was difficult to release. Upon further inspection the release mechanism seems to be failing. I m no mechanic but if I had to guess by the feel it seems like a spring has failed underneath the button. I called the service center an hour ago and they were very noncommittal about servicing the vehicle today. I m going to take it in but I fully expect that the problem will not be resolved today and that I ll have to use the car with this problem until Thursday the day of my scheduled appointment. My main concern is that I am going to literally get stuck in the car. The release button mechanism seems to be failing so badly that it s extremely difficult to get the belt to release. So my choices are to use the belt and risk not being able to remove it or not use it an even worse risk. Do I have a right to be perturbed about this or am I being too much of a drama queen? I mean I still love the car and wouldn t trade it for anything. I guess I m just a little disappointed in the service side of things thus far. Edit: After monkeying around with the buckle a bit more it almost seems like it s just getting stuck (could be dirt or some other debris in there) so my initial assumption of a failed spring may be incorrect. I m going to try cleaning it a bit to see if that helps. Thanks for responses. I m glad I seem to be seeing the situation the same way as everyone else here. Edit 2: I really appreciate the feedback. The seatbelt is still acting funny. Fortunately I don t have to drive much until my appointment on Thursday. Since it mainly seems to be working (the only real fear is that the release button may not release the belt and I d have to cut the belt). While obviously not ideal I m comfortable with the situation at this point. I want to reiterate that I love this car and wouldn t trade it for the world. Whenever people ask me if I like my Model S I tell them the same thing every single time that I don t think I can ever own another type of car. | Of course you have the right to be pissed off. You bought a high-end luxury sedan and what they gave you is a car whose most basic safety equipment doesn t work. | And this is with under 100 000 cars to deal with on the road. What is it like when there s 5x that? | 79 | 18 | 578 |
4yq27z | 93 | I have to admit that I am not impressed with Tesla s service thus far I ve had my Model S since the beginning of July. About a week after taking delivery I noticed that when the vehicle was parked outside under the hot sun for a few hours there would be a clicking sound coming from what appeared to be the center of the panoramic roof when I drive. I called the nearest service center and was advised to bring it in. When I arrived at the service center I was told that thery wouldn t really be able to do anything as they were booked up and that I d have to make a future opponent. I took the earliest available appointment. Since it wasn t a safety issue I got pushed out about 5 weeks to Aug 25. Somewhat annoying but more of a first world problem so I won t throw a hissy fit over it. However I experienced a much more serious problem with the car yesterday. As I was exiting the vehicle the seat belt buckle was difficult to release. Upon further inspection the release mechanism seems to be failing. I m no mechanic but if I had to guess by the feel it seems like a spring has failed underneath the button. I called the service center an hour ago and they were very noncommittal about servicing the vehicle today. I m going to take it in but I fully expect that the problem will not be resolved today and that I ll have to use the car with this problem until Thursday the day of my scheduled appointment. My main concern is that I am going to literally get stuck in the car. The release button mechanism seems to be failing so badly that it s extremely difficult to get the belt to release. So my choices are to use the belt and risk not being able to remove it or not use it an even worse risk. Do I have a right to be perturbed about this or am I being too much of a drama queen? I mean I still love the car and wouldn t trade it for anything. I guess I m just a little disappointed in the service side of things thus far. Edit: After monkeying around with the buckle a bit more it almost seems like it s just getting stuck (could be dirt or some other debris in there) so my initial assumption of a failed spring may be incorrect. I m going to try cleaning it a bit to see if that helps. Thanks for responses. I m glad I seem to be seeing the situation the same way as everyone else here. Edit 2: I really appreciate the feedback. The seatbelt is still acting funny. Fortunately I don t have to drive much until my appointment on Thursday. Since it mainly seems to be working (the only real fear is that the release button may not release the belt and I d have to cut the belt). While obviously not ideal I m comfortable with the situation at this point. I want to reiterate that I love this car and wouldn t trade it for the world. Whenever people ask me if I like my Model S I tell them the same thing every single time that I don t think I can ever own another type of car. | Of course you have the right to be pissed off. You bought a high-end luxury sedan and what they gave you is a car whose most basic safety equipment doesn t work. | Can you get ahold of Tesla customer support and tell them what s going on? The seatbelt is a big deal and should be dealt with as such. The sunroof I can understand them being lax on it but they should still be scheduling a time for it to go in at the very least. Sounds like they need to clean house a bit at your SC. | 79 | 26 | 579 |
4yqfsa | 44 | What s better for Tesla: Buy car or buy stock? I am not a stock market newbie but I am no guru either. I do not own a Tesla vehicle (model 3 reservation holder) but I do own quite of bit of shares of TSLA. My goal: I want to help Tesla succeed. I believe in the company I believe in SpaceX I believe in Elon Musk s missions. I think he is one of the most important people of our time and I think it is imperative he succeeds at his missions. I have never been this excited about the future and it is due to what he is doing. There are a lot of people and companies that want to see him fail and are doing their part to make that happens. There is a lot of force in the negative direction. I want to be a force (albeit small) in the positive direction. So I want to know: How can I help Tesla? Is it more beneficial for them if I buy more shares or if I buy a car? Let s assume 333 shares at $225 would be roughly $75k which is a mildly upgraded Model S 60. Would buying this car be better for Tesla than buying 333 shares? (Assume long term investment) Thanks in advance! | > So I want to know: How can I help Tesla? Being politically and socially active is probably the single best thing you can do for Tesla. I have written lots of email to state and federal level representatives every time Tesla challenges a backwards law or EV solar incentives are proposed. Ballotpedia.com lets you find the names of every single person on a state s transportation committee within a minute. It doesn t matter that I m not in their districts I want them to know people are paying attention to their actions on this front. The Tesla community stopped dead the Indiana legislature when they tried to close down all Tesla stores service in the state starting Jan 1 2018. Thats a real tangible impact. Socially my talking about the company has resulted in a both a brother and my dad placing a deposit for a ≡. I try to counter disinformation online as much as I can and help people curious about the technology as much as I can. I retweet Elon s account. This all adds up. I don t have enough money to justify purchasing a car right now but I m definitely pulling my weight to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport and energy. | Tesla may be better off if you buy the car but you ll be better off in the long run if you hold onto the stock. The gigafactory alone will be worth more than Tesla s current market cap. | 41 | 3 | 580 |
4yvt7s | 26 | Considering the 60D Model S. Do you need the upgrade to 12 speakers? How many speakers are standard? | It isn t about the number of speakers it s about the sound distribution the acoustic range covered and the consistency of that range. I don t like the Model S s sound system in the basic stereo and I am not captivated by the upgraded system even though I do think it s pretty good. Note that I said p retty good rather than very good in my opinion. It has a very good consistency throughout its range and other than sounding a bit bright is easy to listen to and quite accurate. It s subwoofer is a bit under-active and gas a bit of a donut hole between lower mids and bass response. If you like Bose you will like this. It sounds like Bose but with less spatialization and artificial delay processing. It also doesn t have that obnoxious artificial punchiness that Bose subwoofers have. My personal feeling is that this system would totally shine if it had a better and more configurable equalizer. All that being said in my opinion it is absolutely essential if you care about sound. The base stereo sounds inferior to that in some Hondas. In the interest of full disclosure I am a crazy audiophile whose best stereo is worth almost as much as a new Model S 60. P.S. I really wish companies would stop talking about number of speakers as a selling point. | People say it s good but not as good for the price. I would get Premium Package over Ultra High Fidelity sound. | 43 | 10 | 581 |
4z8ahq | 5,256 | New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World -new 100 kWh battery pack: 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 315 miles of range please keep all posts related to the announcement in this thread [**New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World**](https: www.tesla.com blog new-tesla-model-s-now-quickest-production-car-world) The Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode is the third fastest accelerating production car ever produced with a 0-60 mph time of 2.5* seconds. However both the LaFerrari and the Porsche 918 Spyder were limited run million dollar vehicles and cannot be bought new. While those cars are small two seaters with very little luggage space the pure electric all-wheel drive Model S P100D has four doors seats up to 5 adults plus 2 children and has exceptional cargo capacity. The 100 kWh battery also increases range substantially to an estimated 315 miles on the EPA cycle and 613 km on the EU cycle making it the first to go beyond 300 miles and the longest range production electric vehicle by far. The larger battery pack is also available on the Model X making the world s quickest SUV even faster. Model X P100D with Ludicrous mode accelerates to 60 mph in 2.9* seconds and travels up to 289 miles EPA and 542 km EU on a single charge. Model X is also a pure electric SUV and can seat up to seven adults. Model S and Model X are engineered to be the safest cars on the road and to have the highest ratings from NHTSA. Both have access to the Tesla Supercharger network for the freedom to travel long distance for free. And every Tesla will improve over time with free over the air upgrades. Tesla customers who have ordered a P90D Ludicrous but not taken delivery can upgrade to the 100 kWh pack for $10 000. Existing P90D Ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100 kWh pack but for $20 000 as their used 90 kWh pack will have to be recycled. While the P100D Ludicrous is obviously an expensive vehicle we want to emphasize that every sale helps pay for the smaller and much more affordable Tesla Model 3 that is in development. Without customers willing to buy the expensive Model S and X we would be unable to fund the smaller more affordable Model 3 development. Expected value using max power mode and Motor Trend benchmark QUICK SPECS Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode * Range: 315 miles (EPA Estimate) 613 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.5 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 2.7 seconds * Price: starts at $134 500 Model X P100D with Ludicrous Mode * Range: 289 miles (EPA Estimate) 542 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.9 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 3.1 seconds * Price: starts at $135 500 | I m more excited about the extended range thanks to the battery upgrade. 315 miles is very impressive. | Isn t the Bugatti Chiron faster? | 777 | 4 | 582 |
4z8ahq | 5,256 | New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World -new 100 kWh battery pack: 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 315 miles of range please keep all posts related to the announcement in this thread [**New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World**](https: www.tesla.com blog new-tesla-model-s-now-quickest-production-car-world) The Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode is the third fastest accelerating production car ever produced with a 0-60 mph time of 2.5* seconds. However both the LaFerrari and the Porsche 918 Spyder were limited run million dollar vehicles and cannot be bought new. While those cars are small two seaters with very little luggage space the pure electric all-wheel drive Model S P100D has four doors seats up to 5 adults plus 2 children and has exceptional cargo capacity. The 100 kWh battery also increases range substantially to an estimated 315 miles on the EPA cycle and 613 km on the EU cycle making it the first to go beyond 300 miles and the longest range production electric vehicle by far. The larger battery pack is also available on the Model X making the world s quickest SUV even faster. Model X P100D with Ludicrous mode accelerates to 60 mph in 2.9* seconds and travels up to 289 miles EPA and 542 km EU on a single charge. Model X is also a pure electric SUV and can seat up to seven adults. Model S and Model X are engineered to be the safest cars on the road and to have the highest ratings from NHTSA. Both have access to the Tesla Supercharger network for the freedom to travel long distance for free. And every Tesla will improve over time with free over the air upgrades. Tesla customers who have ordered a P90D Ludicrous but not taken delivery can upgrade to the 100 kWh pack for $10 000. Existing P90D Ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100 kWh pack but for $20 000 as their used 90 kWh pack will have to be recycled. While the P100D Ludicrous is obviously an expensive vehicle we want to emphasize that every sale helps pay for the smaller and much more affordable Tesla Model 3 that is in development. Without customers willing to buy the expensive Model S and X we would be unable to fund the smaller more affordable Model 3 development. Expected value using max power mode and Motor Trend benchmark QUICK SPECS Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode * Range: 315 miles (EPA Estimate) 613 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.5 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 2.7 seconds * Price: starts at $134 500 Model X P100D with Ludicrous Mode * Range: 289 miles (EPA Estimate) 542 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.9 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 3.1 seconds * Price: starts at $135 500 | I m more excited about the extended range thanks to the battery upgrade. 315 miles is very impressive. | I might just need to cancel my Model 3 reservation. I need PLAID speed! Side note: Is Tesla going to offer the 100kWh battery as an upgrade for 70kWh or 85kWh owners? | 777 | 5 | 583 |
4z8ahq | 5,256 | New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World -new 100 kWh battery pack: 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 315 miles of range please keep all posts related to the announcement in this thread [**New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World**](https: www.tesla.com blog new-tesla-model-s-now-quickest-production-car-world) The Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode is the third fastest accelerating production car ever produced with a 0-60 mph time of 2.5* seconds. However both the LaFerrari and the Porsche 918 Spyder were limited run million dollar vehicles and cannot be bought new. While those cars are small two seaters with very little luggage space the pure electric all-wheel drive Model S P100D has four doors seats up to 5 adults plus 2 children and has exceptional cargo capacity. The 100 kWh battery also increases range substantially to an estimated 315 miles on the EPA cycle and 613 km on the EU cycle making it the first to go beyond 300 miles and the longest range production electric vehicle by far. The larger battery pack is also available on the Model X making the world s quickest SUV even faster. Model X P100D with Ludicrous mode accelerates to 60 mph in 2.9* seconds and travels up to 289 miles EPA and 542 km EU on a single charge. Model X is also a pure electric SUV and can seat up to seven adults. Model S and Model X are engineered to be the safest cars on the road and to have the highest ratings from NHTSA. Both have access to the Tesla Supercharger network for the freedom to travel long distance for free. And every Tesla will improve over time with free over the air upgrades. Tesla customers who have ordered a P90D Ludicrous but not taken delivery can upgrade to the 100 kWh pack for $10 000. Existing P90D Ludicrous owners can also upgrade to a 100 kWh pack but for $20 000 as their used 90 kWh pack will have to be recycled. While the P100D Ludicrous is obviously an expensive vehicle we want to emphasize that every sale helps pay for the smaller and much more affordable Tesla Model 3 that is in development. Without customers willing to buy the expensive Model S and X we would be unable to fund the smaller more affordable Model 3 development. Expected value using max power mode and Motor Trend benchmark QUICK SPECS Model S P100D with Ludicrous mode * Range: 315 miles (EPA Estimate) 613 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.5 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 2.7 seconds * Price: starts at $134 500 Model X P100D with Ludicrous Mode * Range: 289 miles (EPA Estimate) 542 km (NEDC Estimate) * 0-60 acceleration: 2.9 seconds * 0-100 km h acceleration: 3.1 seconds * Price: starts at $135 500 | I m more excited about the extended range thanks to the battery upgrade. 315 miles is very impressive. | It s interesting to see that the difference between the model S and X is only a thousand dollars I would have guessed way more for the X | 777 | 11 | 584 |
4zp5sp | 106 | What is your unpopular opinion relating to Tesla or its vehicles? Inspired by threads in r NFL where you can safely say things that normally would get downvoted. | The touchscreen is slow. I don t give a shit if it s bigger than an iPad pro and it s bolted to a magic futurecar it s slow. Upgrade the processor yearly. Come on. Also stop even trying with the infotainment stuff. Just let me run Carplay (or Android Auto) on one of my split panels in the center. You have other things to worry about Tesla. You have big important things to figure out Apple and Google have already figured this shit out. Just use it and _move on_. | After the big reveal I m upset at the truck option not that they are offering one but the fact they are trying to do a full size truck. Was hoping for a small pick-up that offers utility to homeowners who do the weekend home depot trip haul shit to the dump carry lumber. I fear trying to compete with the F-150 is just going to lead to a big truck (that s very expensive) and will still have very limited towing capabilities. | 103 | 2 | 585 |
4zp5sp | 106 | What is your unpopular opinion relating to Tesla or its vehicles? Inspired by threads in r NFL where you can safely say things that normally would get downvoted. | The touchscreen is slow. I don t give a shit if it s bigger than an iPad pro and it s bolted to a magic futurecar it s slow. Upgrade the processor yearly. Come on. Also stop even trying with the infotainment stuff. Just let me run Carplay (or Android Auto) on one of my split panels in the center. You have other things to worry about Tesla. You have big important things to figure out Apple and Google have already figured this shit out. Just use it and _move on_. | ###& #009 ######& #009 ####& #009 Acronyms initialisms abbreviations contractions and other phrases which expand to something larger that I ve seen in this thread: |Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------| |[AC]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6ydkpb Used in this comment )|Air Conditioning| | |Alternating Current| |[Cd]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71vsb0 Used in this comment )|[Coefficient of Drag](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Drag_coefficient)| |[CPO]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6xrjf9 Used in this comment )|Certified Pre-Owned| |[frunk]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6xqexu Used in this comment )|Portmanteau front-trunk| |[FWD]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71igbt Used in this comment )|Front Wheel Drive| | |Falcon Wing Doors| |[HEPA]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6xpcnl Used in this comment )|[High-Efficiency Particulate Arresting](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki HEPA) air filter| |[ICE]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71igbt Used in this comment )|Internal Combustion Engine or vehicle powered by same| |[kWh]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6z54vz Used in this comment )|Kilowatt-hours electrical energy unit (3.6MJ)| |[M3]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d7585d6 Used in this comment )|BMW performance sedan ^([Tesla M3 will never be a thing])| |[mpg]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71vsb0 Used in this comment )|Miles Per Gallon (Imperial mpg figures are 1.201 times higher than US)| |[MPGe]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71vsb0 Used in this comment )|Miles Per Gallon Equivalent measure of EV efficiency| |[MS]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6z2svf Used in this comment )|~~Microso-~~ Tesla Model S| |[NHTSA]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6y757t Used in this comment )|(US) National Highway Traffic Safety Administration| |[P100DL]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6xsjgy Used in this comment )|100kWh battery dual motors performance and Ludicrous upgrades| |[SAE]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6yyqun Used in this comment )|[Society of Automotive Engineers](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki SAE_International)| |[SC]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6yaxt3 Used in this comment )|Supercharger (Tesla-proprietary fast-charge network)| | |Service Center| | |Solar City Tesla partner subsidiary ...something| |[T3]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6y4aj5 Used in this comment )|Tesla model 3| |[TMC]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6yd5bu Used in this comment )|[Tesla Motors Club forum](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc forums )| |[TSLA]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d6yx6bg Used in this comment )|Stock ticker for Tesla Motors| |[ZEV]( r TeslaMotors comments 4zp5sp d71igbt Used in this comment )|Zero Emissions Vehicle| ---------------- ^(I m a bot and I first saw this thread at 26th Aug 2016 16:57 UTC.) [^\\[Acronym ^lists\\]](http: www.decronym.xyz ) [^\\[Contact ^creator\\]](https: www.reddit.com message compose?to=OrangeredStilton& subject=Hey +your+acronym+bot+sucks) [^\\[PHP ^source ^code\\]](https: gist.github.com Two9A 1d976f9b7441694162c8) | 103 | 2 | 586 |
4zp5sp | 106 | What is your unpopular opinion relating to Tesla or its vehicles? Inspired by threads in r NFL where you can safely say things that normally would get downvoted. | The touchscreen is slow. I don t give a shit if it s bigger than an iPad pro and it s bolted to a magic futurecar it s slow. Upgrade the processor yearly. Come on. Also stop even trying with the infotainment stuff. Just let me run Carplay (or Android Auto) on one of my split panels in the center. You have other things to worry about Tesla. You have big important things to figure out Apple and Google have already figured this shit out. Just use it and _move on_. | I hate the lack of Service Centers and Superchargers in South Europe! Specially in Spain and Portugal. | 103 | 4 | 587 |
4zzay2 | 167 | Do not test drive a Model X If you (or your spouse) are not ready to buy one. The withdrawal is worse than heroin I swear. | About a decade ago I realized that my satisfaction with my current vehicles went down dramatically if I regularly test drove new things for fun. I ve since enacted a policy of No test drives rides unless I m actually in the market and seriously considering purchasing one. My overall enjoyment with my current vehicles has gone up immensely without a basis for comparison. They all do what I need them to reliably so I m not planning to replace them. There s always something faster nicer better handling that can haul more shinier out there and you can drain your bank account in a hurry chasing that high. So just don t play the game in the first place. :) | I have yet to meet an X owner who had seen one in person before placing the order. So I m not sure if the test drive changes things that much. | 33 | 4 | 588 |
504xga | 163 | Tesla s been making good progress filling out major interstate routes in the US with supercharger stations [Here s the current map](http: i.imgur.com 4aF8hWb.jpg) courtesy of supercharge.info: Routes recently or soon to be complete: * I-80 through Iowa to Lincoln Nebraska * I-20 through Louisiana and Mississippi * I-44 through Missouri and Oklahoma * I-55 from Illinois to Louisiana * Route 101 through California and Oregon * I-15 through Idaho * I-20 through east central Texas | I m curious how long the Arkansas void will persist. ^Not ^that ^I ^actually ^want ^to ^go ^to ^Arkansas... ^just ^curious. | I20 from Atlanta to Mississippi could really use one. | 30 | 2 | 589 |
50y040 | 91 | I just can t take the acceleration of a P90D! So a couple of days ago I finally had the chance to test drive a Model S. After 3 5 hours of public transport (don t have a car) I was greeted by a Tesla employee at a supercharger and took the wheel of a red Model S P90D with black turbine wheels. I had driven an electric B-Class and electric Smart before but the sensation of rolling off the parking lot in silence still stunned me. After some pleasant driving around the countryside and testing the Autopilot the Tesla employee asked me to turn into a quiet straight road and stop in the middle of it. He turned the car s performance up from 70D to P90D activated ludicrous mode told me to put my head against the headrest and punch the accelerator. So I did. I had driven quick cars before including some very torquey diesels and a 911 Carrera. But this was nothing like that. The acceleration was so devastating. It came on so violently. There was no build-up at all. The car didn t need to prepare like ICE cars do it just exploded forwards. I felt genuinely nauseous my eyes hurt and the force with which I was pressed into my seat made it hard to breathe. I didn t even make it to 100km h (~62mph) I let off the accelerator pedal at about 80km h (~50mph) because I just couldn t take it any longer. – Me: OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE – Tesla Guy: Terribly great? – Me: NO JUST TERRIBLE After that my foot shook like hell so we put the car back into 70D mode and I let Autopilot drive me through the region in a pleasant non-ludicrous way. So now I know that when the time comes to configure my Model ≡ I won t have to go for any kind of performance upgrade. Just a big battery please. | You know you don t have to push all the way down on the go pedal or enable ludacris mode unless you want to. Though I ve never heard of anybody not enjoying the acceleration. Maybe some of it is due to you not being used to driving since you don t have a car. Edit: Dangit I knew I spelled ludicrous wrong oh well | Great story! Only one doubt: is it possible to change between 70D and P90DL? It s the first time I heard about that. I mean: you can change between P90D and P90DL activating Ludicrous mode but nothing more. Am I wrong? | 41 | 2 | 590 |
515rf1 | 170 | Please welcome our newest mod u 110110! Good afternoon everyone The mod team is excited to announce that u 110110 has been selected as the newest member of our mod team! Thank you to everyone who applied - it was a hard choice. We have selected u 110110 not only based on his excellent history and reputation in this sub but also due to his knowledge and ability to help out Ridge on the CSS side. We will be bringing some new updates and changes over the next few months - with your input of course. Please allow him to bask in the glory of pretend internet fame for a bit before you start causing trouble and calling him a nazi.^ s Thanks! | It s a privilege. [: )](https: media.giphy.com media nU704Y2jeFOHm giphy.gif) Edit: I present the first Model S I ever saw. [Beautiful Signature Red](http: i.imgur.com 6BoyTdP.jpg). | I for one welcome our new u 110110 overlord. | 73 | 16 | 591 |
51e5ja | 25 | Must have (and not so must) extras Hello Folks Everything is setup to get my car at the end of the month. I was thinking of what are the must have extras we should have in the car. ie: dash cam etc... | A few extras I recommend: * Dash Cam for sure I recommend the Blackvue cameras. * The [Abstract Ocean LED light upgrade](http: www.abstractocean.com Tesla_interior_light_kit ) The lights that come with the car are pretty weak and they make a huge difference in the trunk. * Abstract Ocean Key Fob Covers which come in [leather](http: www.abstractocean.com distressed-black-leather-p85d-fobpocket-for-tesla-model-s ) and [silicon](http: www.abstractocean.com silicone-fobpockets-model-s-the-black-collection ) (I personally prefer the leather ones I had both and the silicon didn t hold up very long for me) * If you have a large USB music collection this [Low Profile USB Storage Stick](https: www.amazon.com SanDisk-Cruzer-Low-Profile-Drive--SDCZ33-064G-B35 dp B00FJRS6QY ref=sr_1_1?s=pc& ie=UTF8& qid=1473150295& sr=1-1& keywords=usb+mini+flash) will hold your music and it won t stick out like a sore thumb (drive) * Model S and X don t come with spare tires so this [Tire Repair Kit](https: shop.teslamotors.com products tire-repair-kit-model-s) from Tesla could come in handy if you have a small leak and don t have time to call roadside assistance * I sleep in my car from time to time so I leave a Tesla Blanket (unfortunately looks like those are no longer available) and a sleeping bag in the frunk. [It s very comfy](http: imgur.com a dF2MR) * [This flashlight](https: www.amazon.com Handheld-Flashlight-Resistant-Adjustable-Tactical dp B00QGBNZVI ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8& qid=1473151389& sr=8-5& keywords=LED+flash+light) has come in handy countless times it s nice to carry around and it s powerful too * A first aid kit and a [ResQMe Car Escape Tool](https: www.amazon.com dp B000IDUW5C ref=sr_ph_1?ie=UTF8& qid=1473151276& sr=sr-1& keywords=resqme+car+escape+tool) which is a spring loaded window breaker and seat belt cutter. Congrats and enjoy your new car! | I carry a few charging cable and plug options in the frunk along with a tyre repair kit and jack. I ve a small simple dash cam behind the rear view mirror nothing fancy since Tesla already has full data logging of the car. I keep a trunk liner in the lower-trunk with some water proofs. I carry a first aid kit stashed under the 17 screen and that s about it. Oh during the winter months I also carried a small snow shovel blankets some camping rat packs and a brew kit. Enjoy your new car! | 42 | 2 | 592 |
51xi8k | 153 | Tesla Approved Body Shop - Finally! After a huge financial investment weeks of training a ton of equipment purchases we re finally a Tesla Approved Body Shop! Let me say wow! These cars are so different and repair procedures are so unique! | Thanks for helping us owners out. I hope the investment is worthwhile for you. If you d like I think we d love to get a followup post from you in a few months about how it s working out and how it is to deal with Tesla for parts and such. | Interesting to see what they put you guys to become approved. Congrats! | 47 | 2 | 593 |
51xi8k | 153 | Tesla Approved Body Shop - Finally! After a huge financial investment weeks of training a ton of equipment purchases we re finally a Tesla Approved Body Shop! Let me say wow! These cars are so different and repair procedures are so unique! | Thanks for helping us owners out. I hope the investment is worthwhile for you. If you d like I think we d love to get a followup post from you in a few months about how it s working out and how it is to deal with Tesla for parts and such. | Congrats! Where is the shop? | 47 | 9 | 594 |
51xi8k | 153 | Tesla Approved Body Shop - Finally! After a huge financial investment weeks of training a ton of equipment purchases we re finally a Tesla Approved Body Shop! Let me say wow! These cars are so different and repair procedures are so unique! | Thanks for helping us owners out. I hope the investment is worthwhile for you. If you d like I think we d love to get a followup post from you in a few months about how it s working out and how it is to deal with Tesla for parts and such. | congrats! what is different unique about tesla body repairs compared to other aluminum cars? | 47 | 17 | 595 |
528o9s | 223 | [Official Thread] Tesla Elon Blog Post about Autopilot and v8.0 - please keep all posts in here Elon said that he will hold a press conference at 11am PDT (2pm EDT - 6pm UTC) and that a blog post will go live on Tesla at 12pm PDT (3pm EDT 7pm UTC). He is expected to discuss Autopilot and the upcoming v8.0 update. I will update with the full blog post here as soon it becomes available. Please keep all posts and discussion related to the announcement here. Thanks and have a great Sunday! ______________________________ **Upgrading Autopilot: Seeing the World in Radar** While there are dozens of small refinements with Version 8 of our software described in addendum below the most significant upgrade to Autopilot will be the use of more advanced signal processing to create a picture of the world using the onboard radar. The radar was added to all Tesla vehicles in October 2014 as part of the Autopilot hardware suite but was only meant to be a supplementary sensor to the primary camera and image processing system. After careful consideration we now believe it can be used as a primary control sensor without requiring the camera to confirm visual image recognition. This is a non-trivial and counter-intuitive problem because of how strange the world looks in radar. Photons of that wavelength travel easy through fog dust rain and snow but anything metallic looks like a mirror. The radar can see people but they appear partially translucent. Something made of wood or painted plastic though opaque to a person is almost as transparent as glass to radar. On the other hand any metal surface with a dish shape is not only reflective but also amplifies the reflected signal to many times its actual size. A discarded soda can on the road with its concave bottom facing towards you can appear to be a large and dangerous obstacle but you would definitely not want to slam on the brakes to avoid it. Therefore the big problem in using radar to stop the car is avoiding false alarms. Slamming on the brakes is critical if you are about to hit something large and solid but not if you are merely about to run over a soda can. Having lots of unnecessary braking events would at best be very annoying and at worst cause injury. The first part of solving that problem is having a more detailed point cloud. Software 8.0 unlocks access to six times as many radar objects with the same hardware with a lot more information per object. The second part consists of assembling those radar snapshots which take place every tenth of a second into a 3D “picture” of the world. It is hard to tell from a single frame whether an object is moving or stationary or to distinguish spurious reflections. By comparing several contiguous frames against vehicle velocity and expected path the car can tell if something is real and assess the probability of collision. The third part is a lot more difficult. When the car is approaching an overhead highway road sign positioned on a rise in the road or a bridge where the road dips underneath this often looks like a collision course. The navigation data and height accuracy of the GPS are not enough to know whether the car will pass under the object or not. By the time the car is close and the road pitch changes it is too late to brake. This is where fleet learning comes in handy. Initially the vehicle fleet will take no action except to note the position of road signs bridges and other stationary objects mapping the world according to radar. The car computer will then silently compare when it would have braked to the driver action and upload that to the Tesla database. If several cars drive safely past a given radar object whether Autopilot is turned on or off then that object is added to the geocoded whitelist. When the data shows that false braking events would be rare the car will begin mild braking using radar even if the camera doesn t notice the object ahead. As the system confidence level rises the braking force will gradually increase to full strength when it is approximately 99.99% certain of a collision. This may not always prevent a collision entirely but the impact speed will be dramatically reduced to the point where there are unlikely to be serious injuries to the vehicle occupants. The net effect of this combined with the fact that radar sees through most visual obscuration is that the car should almost always hit the brakes correctly even if a UFO were to land on the freeway in zero visibility conditions. Taking this one step further a Tesla will also be able to bounce the radar signal under a vehicle in front – using the radar pulse signature and photon time of flight to distinguish the signal – and still brake even when trailing a car that is opaque to both vision and radar. The car in front might hit the UFO in dense fog but the Tesla will not. __________________________________________ Additional Autopilot Release Notes TACC braking max ramp rate increased and latency reduced by a factor of five Now controls for two cars ahead using radar echo improving cut-out response and reaction time to otherwise-invisible heavy braking events Will take highway exit if indicator on (8.0) or if nav system active (8.1). Available in the United States initially Car offsets in lane when overtaking a slower vehicle driving close to its lane edge Interface alerts are much more prominent including flashing white border on instrument panel Improved cut-in detection using blinker on vehicle ahead Reduced likelihood of overtaking in right lane in Europe Improved auto lane change availability Car will not allow reengagement of Autosteer until parked if user ignores repeated warnings Automatic braking will now amplify user braking in emergencies In manual mode alerts driver if about to leave the road and no torque on steering wheel has been detected since Autosteer was deactivated With further data gathering car will activate Autosteer to avoid collision when probability ~100% Curve speed adaptation now uses fleet-learned roadway curvature Approximately 200 small enhancements that aren t worth a bullet point | Friendly tip for the mods: a new thread should be created AFTER all the announcements are made QA is over (Not sure if it is yet so this tip may be premature). Sorting by top comments just results in peoples predictions about AP 2.0 from three hours ago instead of discussion about the v8 updates that were actually announced. | Is there a way to live stream the press event? | 140 | 2 | 596 |
528o9s | 223 | [Official Thread] Tesla Elon Blog Post about Autopilot and v8.0 - please keep all posts in here Elon said that he will hold a press conference at 11am PDT (2pm EDT - 6pm UTC) and that a blog post will go live on Tesla at 12pm PDT (3pm EDT 7pm UTC). He is expected to discuss Autopilot and the upcoming v8.0 update. I will update with the full blog post here as soon it becomes available. Please keep all posts and discussion related to the announcement here. Thanks and have a great Sunday! ______________________________ **Upgrading Autopilot: Seeing the World in Radar** While there are dozens of small refinements with Version 8 of our software described in addendum below the most significant upgrade to Autopilot will be the use of more advanced signal processing to create a picture of the world using the onboard radar. The radar was added to all Tesla vehicles in October 2014 as part of the Autopilot hardware suite but was only meant to be a supplementary sensor to the primary camera and image processing system. After careful consideration we now believe it can be used as a primary control sensor without requiring the camera to confirm visual image recognition. This is a non-trivial and counter-intuitive problem because of how strange the world looks in radar. Photons of that wavelength travel easy through fog dust rain and snow but anything metallic looks like a mirror. The radar can see people but they appear partially translucent. Something made of wood or painted plastic though opaque to a person is almost as transparent as glass to radar. On the other hand any metal surface with a dish shape is not only reflective but also amplifies the reflected signal to many times its actual size. A discarded soda can on the road with its concave bottom facing towards you can appear to be a large and dangerous obstacle but you would definitely not want to slam on the brakes to avoid it. Therefore the big problem in using radar to stop the car is avoiding false alarms. Slamming on the brakes is critical if you are about to hit something large and solid but not if you are merely about to run over a soda can. Having lots of unnecessary braking events would at best be very annoying and at worst cause injury. The first part of solving that problem is having a more detailed point cloud. Software 8.0 unlocks access to six times as many radar objects with the same hardware with a lot more information per object. The second part consists of assembling those radar snapshots which take place every tenth of a second into a 3D “picture” of the world. It is hard to tell from a single frame whether an object is moving or stationary or to distinguish spurious reflections. By comparing several contiguous frames against vehicle velocity and expected path the car can tell if something is real and assess the probability of collision. The third part is a lot more difficult. When the car is approaching an overhead highway road sign positioned on a rise in the road or a bridge where the road dips underneath this often looks like a collision course. The navigation data and height accuracy of the GPS are not enough to know whether the car will pass under the object or not. By the time the car is close and the road pitch changes it is too late to brake. This is where fleet learning comes in handy. Initially the vehicle fleet will take no action except to note the position of road signs bridges and other stationary objects mapping the world according to radar. The car computer will then silently compare when it would have braked to the driver action and upload that to the Tesla database. If several cars drive safely past a given radar object whether Autopilot is turned on or off then that object is added to the geocoded whitelist. When the data shows that false braking events would be rare the car will begin mild braking using radar even if the camera doesn t notice the object ahead. As the system confidence level rises the braking force will gradually increase to full strength when it is approximately 99.99% certain of a collision. This may not always prevent a collision entirely but the impact speed will be dramatically reduced to the point where there are unlikely to be serious injuries to the vehicle occupants. The net effect of this combined with the fact that radar sees through most visual obscuration is that the car should almost always hit the brakes correctly even if a UFO were to land on the freeway in zero visibility conditions. Taking this one step further a Tesla will also be able to bounce the radar signal under a vehicle in front – using the radar pulse signature and photon time of flight to distinguish the signal – and still brake even when trailing a car that is opaque to both vision and radar. The car in front might hit the UFO in dense fog but the Tesla will not. __________________________________________ Additional Autopilot Release Notes TACC braking max ramp rate increased and latency reduced by a factor of five Now controls for two cars ahead using radar echo improving cut-out response and reaction time to otherwise-invisible heavy braking events Will take highway exit if indicator on (8.0) or if nav system active (8.1). Available in the United States initially Car offsets in lane when overtaking a slower vehicle driving close to its lane edge Interface alerts are much more prominent including flashing white border on instrument panel Improved cut-in detection using blinker on vehicle ahead Reduced likelihood of overtaking in right lane in Europe Improved auto lane change availability Car will not allow reengagement of Autosteer until parked if user ignores repeated warnings Automatic braking will now amplify user braking in emergencies In manual mode alerts driver if about to leave the road and no torque on steering wheel has been detected since Autosteer was deactivated With further data gathering car will activate Autosteer to avoid collision when probability ~100% Curve speed adaptation now uses fleet-learned roadway curvature Approximately 200 small enhancements that aren t worth a bullet point | Friendly tip for the mods: a new thread should be created AFTER all the announcements are made QA is over (Not sure if it is yet so this tip may be premature). Sorting by top comments just results in peoples predictions about AP 2.0 from three hours ago instead of discussion about the v8 updates that were actually announced. | Question: Are all refresh model S models eligible for a retrofit on 2.0 or did the capabilities to upgrade begin at a certain production date? (I had read a thread a while ago about a refreshed s when they were released with a new wiring harness) | 140 | 2 | 597 |
528o9s | 223 | [Official Thread] Tesla Elon Blog Post about Autopilot and v8.0 - please keep all posts in here Elon said that he will hold a press conference at 11am PDT (2pm EDT - 6pm UTC) and that a blog post will go live on Tesla at 12pm PDT (3pm EDT 7pm UTC). He is expected to discuss Autopilot and the upcoming v8.0 update. I will update with the full blog post here as soon it becomes available. Please keep all posts and discussion related to the announcement here. Thanks and have a great Sunday! ______________________________ **Upgrading Autopilot: Seeing the World in Radar** While there are dozens of small refinements with Version 8 of our software described in addendum below the most significant upgrade to Autopilot will be the use of more advanced signal processing to create a picture of the world using the onboard radar. The radar was added to all Tesla vehicles in October 2014 as part of the Autopilot hardware suite but was only meant to be a supplementary sensor to the primary camera and image processing system. After careful consideration we now believe it can be used as a primary control sensor without requiring the camera to confirm visual image recognition. This is a non-trivial and counter-intuitive problem because of how strange the world looks in radar. Photons of that wavelength travel easy through fog dust rain and snow but anything metallic looks like a mirror. The radar can see people but they appear partially translucent. Something made of wood or painted plastic though opaque to a person is almost as transparent as glass to radar. On the other hand any metal surface with a dish shape is not only reflective but also amplifies the reflected signal to many times its actual size. A discarded soda can on the road with its concave bottom facing towards you can appear to be a large and dangerous obstacle but you would definitely not want to slam on the brakes to avoid it. Therefore the big problem in using radar to stop the car is avoiding false alarms. Slamming on the brakes is critical if you are about to hit something large and solid but not if you are merely about to run over a soda can. Having lots of unnecessary braking events would at best be very annoying and at worst cause injury. The first part of solving that problem is having a more detailed point cloud. Software 8.0 unlocks access to six times as many radar objects with the same hardware with a lot more information per object. The second part consists of assembling those radar snapshots which take place every tenth of a second into a 3D “picture” of the world. It is hard to tell from a single frame whether an object is moving or stationary or to distinguish spurious reflections. By comparing several contiguous frames against vehicle velocity and expected path the car can tell if something is real and assess the probability of collision. The third part is a lot more difficult. When the car is approaching an overhead highway road sign positioned on a rise in the road or a bridge where the road dips underneath this often looks like a collision course. The navigation data and height accuracy of the GPS are not enough to know whether the car will pass under the object or not. By the time the car is close and the road pitch changes it is too late to brake. This is where fleet learning comes in handy. Initially the vehicle fleet will take no action except to note the position of road signs bridges and other stationary objects mapping the world according to radar. The car computer will then silently compare when it would have braked to the driver action and upload that to the Tesla database. If several cars drive safely past a given radar object whether Autopilot is turned on or off then that object is added to the geocoded whitelist. When the data shows that false braking events would be rare the car will begin mild braking using radar even if the camera doesn t notice the object ahead. As the system confidence level rises the braking force will gradually increase to full strength when it is approximately 99.99% certain of a collision. This may not always prevent a collision entirely but the impact speed will be dramatically reduced to the point where there are unlikely to be serious injuries to the vehicle occupants. The net effect of this combined with the fact that radar sees through most visual obscuration is that the car should almost always hit the brakes correctly even if a UFO were to land on the freeway in zero visibility conditions. Taking this one step further a Tesla will also be able to bounce the radar signal under a vehicle in front – using the radar pulse signature and photon time of flight to distinguish the signal – and still brake even when trailing a car that is opaque to both vision and radar. The car in front might hit the UFO in dense fog but the Tesla will not. __________________________________________ Additional Autopilot Release Notes TACC braking max ramp rate increased and latency reduced by a factor of five Now controls for two cars ahead using radar echo improving cut-out response and reaction time to otherwise-invisible heavy braking events Will take highway exit if indicator on (8.0) or if nav system active (8.1). Available in the United States initially Car offsets in lane when overtaking a slower vehicle driving close to its lane edge Interface alerts are much more prominent including flashing white border on instrument panel Improved cut-in detection using blinker on vehicle ahead Reduced likelihood of overtaking in right lane in Europe Improved auto lane change availability Car will not allow reengagement of Autosteer until parked if user ignores repeated warnings Automatic braking will now amplify user braking in emergencies In manual mode alerts driver if about to leave the road and no torque on steering wheel has been detected since Autosteer was deactivated With further data gathering car will activate Autosteer to avoid collision when probability ~100% Curve speed adaptation now uses fleet-learned roadway curvature Approximately 200 small enhancements that aren t worth a bullet point | Friendly tip for the mods: a new thread should be created AFTER all the announcements are made QA is over (Not sure if it is yet so this tip may be premature). Sorting by top comments just results in peoples predictions about AP 2.0 from three hours ago instead of discussion about the v8 updates that were actually announced. | Does anyone have the number for the call today? | 140 | 2 | 598 |
52bpv1 | 31 | For those of you who sold your Tesla why did you get rid of it? I am thinking about purchasing a Tesla over my affordable dream car however I do not want to regret the purchase and take a big depreciation hit if I end up selling it. For those of you who told your Tesla why did you get rid of it? | Sold my 2013 S60 for a refreshed 70 for the new face and autopilot | you have your answer. buy a used Tesla then if you don t like in 6 months you can sell and not be hit with depreciation. you might get lucky if you handle it well other than your time to do this and actual cost to own ( electricity insurance) you might be able sell same you paid for it or if really works out you never sell! the point is mitigate your risk if not sure | 37 | 2 | 599 |
52bpv1 | 31 | For those of you who sold your Tesla why did you get rid of it? I am thinking about purchasing a Tesla over my affordable dream car however I do not want to regret the purchase and take a big depreciation hit if I end up selling it. For those of you who told your Tesla why did you get rid of it? | Sold my 2013 S60 for a refreshed 70 for the new face and autopilot | I would bet a lot of it is to upgrade to a newer model for AP or 0-60 in 2.6 sec maybe a few because of the lack of luxury interior some people dislike the lack of finish in the Model S X. But I doubt you ll find them posting here. | 37 | 3 | 600 |
52bpv1 | 31 | For those of you who sold your Tesla why did you get rid of it? I am thinking about purchasing a Tesla over my affordable dream car however I do not want to regret the purchase and take a big depreciation hit if I end up selling it. For those of you who told your Tesla why did you get rid of it? | Sold my 2013 S60 for a refreshed 70 for the new face and autopilot | This subreddit might not be the best place to find former tesla owners. | 37 | 3 | 601 |
52lf8m | 50 | What does the Bolt EV Range Announcement mean for the Model 3? With the updated announcement EPA estimated range of 238 miles for the Bolt what does this mean for the Model 3? See: https: electrek.co 2016 09 13 gm-chevy-bolt-ev-range-of-238-miles-price-decrease-tesla-model-3 I personally think the Model 3 will have a much longer range now standard. | I think that in any free market every market leader needs a healthy independent competitor that pushes them to innovate and bring prices down. Everybody wins in the end. We would not all be driving Model 3s or all driving Bolts. The vehicles wouldn t get priced more expensive than is necessary because if that happened customers would just buy the cheaper alternative. And both companies would keep trying to add more features that differentiate them from the other guy so purchasers get more for the same price. Oh and one last thought: debating over whether to buy a Bolt or a Model 3 is a debate to spend your money on non-ICE or non-ICE which is good for everybody. Good luck to the Bolt. It helps make Tesla better Edit: better grammar | It means nothing to me. I wouldn t consider other brands even if they offer 500 miles at the same price. I drive locally don t need more than 200 miles. Model 3 is beautiful enough distance per charge autopilot safety. | 69 | 4 | 602 |
52lf8m | 50 | What does the Bolt EV Range Announcement mean for the Model 3? With the updated announcement EPA estimated range of 238 miles for the Bolt what does this mean for the Model 3? See: https: electrek.co 2016 09 13 gm-chevy-bolt-ev-range-of-238-miles-price-decrease-tesla-model-3 I personally think the Model 3 will have a much longer range now standard. | I think that in any free market every market leader needs a healthy independent competitor that pushes them to innovate and bring prices down. Everybody wins in the end. We would not all be driving Model 3s or all driving Bolts. The vehicles wouldn t get priced more expensive than is necessary because if that happened customers would just buy the cheaper alternative. And both companies would keep trying to add more features that differentiate them from the other guy so purchasers get more for the same price. Oh and one last thought: debating over whether to buy a Bolt or a Model 3 is a debate to spend your money on non-ICE or non-ICE which is good for everybody. Good luck to the Bolt. It helps make Tesla better Edit: better grammar | Well Elon did say a minimum of 215 so the sky is the limit. | 69 | 7 | 603 |
52lf8m | 50 | What does the Bolt EV Range Announcement mean for the Model 3? With the updated announcement EPA estimated range of 238 miles for the Bolt what does this mean for the Model 3? See: https: electrek.co 2016 09 13 gm-chevy-bolt-ev-range-of-238-miles-price-decrease-tesla-model-3 I personally think the Model 3 will have a much longer range now standard. | I think that in any free market every market leader needs a healthy independent competitor that pushes them to innovate and bring prices down. Everybody wins in the end. We would not all be driving Model 3s or all driving Bolts. The vehicles wouldn t get priced more expensive than is necessary because if that happened customers would just buy the cheaper alternative. And both companies would keep trying to add more features that differentiate them from the other guy so purchasers get more for the same price. Oh and one last thought: debating over whether to buy a Bolt or a Model 3 is a debate to spend your money on non-ICE or non-ICE which is good for everybody. Good luck to the Bolt. It helps make Tesla better Edit: better grammar | A range difference of ~18 miles alone is not enough of a difference alone to change the pricing of the 3. If anything the final range of the model 3 will be brought up to at least meet the bolt. I welcome competition in the EV market but there are many other factors which effect price. i.e. Autopilot supercharger network dealership vs direct to consumer etc. | 69 | 10 | 604 |
52r9eg | 58 | Tesla just pushed back my delivery window damn... My car went in production nearly three weeks ago. Now today instead of it showing late august-september it says September-Early October - man that is frustrating. I ordered a 90D wondering if they are prioritizing the 100s to maximize profits for the quarter!? And no communication from them about it I had to login to realize it. (still love you Tesla just sad) | Almost all Teslas will go from the assembly line to a rail yard in Richmond CA. Right now that rail yard is crazy busy. As of yesterday they had ~7 000 Teslas that have not been assigned a haul (train car). The Sept. push worked they sold a bunch and are moving tons of inventory. It s just a logistical nightmare. Yeah with that much inventory off their books Tesla will probably show GAAP profitability this quarter. My vehicle has been sitting in the railyard for 6 days now no assigned haul yet. I hope it gets on one by end of this week which from there will take a 5 - 7 day train ride plus a few days for the local service center. I d say if your car went into production in Aug. you will get it in Sept. might be towards the end though. And really there isn t much Tesla can do. They have a modern efficient manufacturing process and their distribution system relies on point of sale low inventory make as ordered model. However they are now dealing with another industry that is outside of their control (for now..haha). Transportation railroad. Some company is hired by the railroad usually to handle rail yard logistics. Tesla can bug them all day but not much they can do. | They did the same thing to me but mine ended up coming in way earlier than expected (9 1). They re pushing everything to try and make numbers by end of Quarter. They want you to have the car before October as much as you want it. :) | 47 | 3 | 605 |
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