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65487d | 44 | Tesla [HW2.0] is fully capable of going point A to B with no driver intervention navigating stop signs cross walks roundabouts etc. But is only limited by current regulations that don t allow for this - Vehicle Virgins new Tesla video. Is this true? Everything I know says it is false. https: youtu.be sP4TWJbGKpI?t=2m20s They claim that the HW2.0 system is currently capable of full self driving but is only limited by current regulations. My understanding is that it is both limited by current regulations AND the fact that it has not been developed yet! The demo videos were DEMOS and do not indicate they have a release any time soon for FSD or even enhanced autopilot yet this video seems to make it seem like FSD is already sitting in our cars hard drives! Any truth? Or just bullshit? | Capable and prepared ready are two different things. Like I am capable of running a 5 min mile but I need to lose 70 lbs to do that. | You are correct | 58 | 9 | 1,006 |
66blhl | 31 | Will Tesla not like me asking to test drive a Model S even though I want a Model 3? Title says it all I don t know if this sounds stupid or not haha edit: Thank you everyone! | They wont care because you ll order a Model S. | I wanted to check out the X and told them I didn t really want to financially have a car like it right now but I had a model 3 reservation. They offered me an educational test drive during the week. I assume it s slower during the week so they don t mind making the effort then. Don t worry about them be up front. Tell them you are really interested but it s out of your price range right now but could you take a drive. | 44 | 2 | 1,007 |
66blhl | 31 | Will Tesla not like me asking to test drive a Model S even though I want a Model 3? Title says it all I don t know if this sounds stupid or not haha edit: Thank you everyone! | They wont care because you ll order a Model S. | doubt it d be a problem. i test drove a p85+ a few years ago was upfront that i wasn t going to be in the market until the 3 was available. i live in texas though where they can legally only display demonstrate teslas and can t try to sell a car | 44 | 3 | 1,008 |
66blhl | 31 | Will Tesla not like me asking to test drive a Model S even though I want a Model 3? Title says it all I don t know if this sounds stupid or not haha edit: Thank you everyone! | They wont care because you ll order a Model S. | My local dealership encouraged me to Test drive the S before reserving the 3 and I did. This was right after the announcement of the 3 and it was a great 45 min test drive. I could not test the auto-pilot so they encourage me to make another appointment to test drive a S with auto-pilot I am going this weekend. Just tell them that you re thinking about the Model 3 and you want to test drive the S since it s the closest thing available. P.S.: I reserved the model 3 after the test drive. | 44 | 5 | 1,009 |
66h6ju | 28 | Where did all the Model 3 Release Candidates go? We got a surge of sightings but now they seem to have disappeared. Shouldn t we see way more sightings closer to production? | Those were controlled leaks. Car companies have test tracks for validation of new vehicles. | I m not sure if Tesla has their own test track but typically they would start a shakedown of the cars systems there and do some stress testing. I would guess they re at a track somewhere. | 31 | 5 | 1,010 |
66oga5 | 58 | Supercharging is no longer free on new Tesla s... so how do you pay for it? I feel silly that I don t know this but I pick up my car in May and just realized that I don t know what it means that supercharging isn t free anymore. | You get 400kWh free supercharging per year (no rollover). Beyond that you can put a credit card in your My Tesla account to pay for additional supercharging credits. | You add a card to your Tesla account and are billed automatically. The first 400kWh per year are free. You can look up your local pricing here: https: www.tesla.com en_GB support supercharging | 67 | 19 | 1,011 |
66unwg | 28 | Why are other car companies failing to catch up with Tesla? Ford Volkswagen Toyota Nissan BMW Mercedes - all big car companies. Yet they fail to catch up with Tesla. Why? These are big name car companies - they certainly don t lack the resources to do this - so why is Tesla leading the way in self-driving cars and electric vehicles when the other car companies have so much more money and resources? | I have some professional experience working with traditional automakers and a few things stand out - Overhead - car companies are big entities and do not move quickly. Lots of layers of management lots of red tape. Logistics - the vehicle engineering pipeline at one manufacturer I ve worked with is **ten** years. That means the vehicles we ll be driving in 2027 are being designed and engineered today. These companies are making deliberate efforts to move faster but have a lot of technical and procedural debt to shed in the process. Tesla doesn t have that it s pretty much Elon s way or the highway - for better or worse. | > Ford Volkswagen Toyota Nissan BMW Mercedes - all big car companies. All of which either have electric cars already (some with larger market share than Tesla) or will have electric cars within 2020. So what do you mean by catching up ? Either way large advances in technology don t happen overnight. Tesla has been working on electric cars for 11(?) years now. Of course they are going to be ahead. > why is Tesla leading the way in self-driving cars I agree that Tesla is slightly ahead (or was before the AP2 setback). But nearly all other manufacturers have most of the features Tesla does. Lane holding ACC lane switching etc. | 34 | 7 | 1,012 |
67ufej | 68 | I used to think people who said Teslas were not real cars were idiots until... I read a thread on r cars about Tesla. The absolute cluelessness and blatantly false facts about Tesla that are upvoted on that subreddit show that Tesla is clearly not a car because these car enthusiasts turn into suburban moms the second they start talking about a Tesla. The vast majority of users don t have a fucking clue about the specifics of the Tesla yet they feel qualified to criticize the company based on flaws that don t even exists. It s absolutely fascinating to read. I once had someone claim that Autopilot has been disabled by Tesla due to multiple crashes and deaths . It had 5 upvotes and no responses. Great subreddit you guys got there r cars! | There s as much cluelessness in most subreddits even this one. I mean look at the number of people that will swear that Tesla has the highest margins of any automaker or any number of other objectively wrong facts . Reddit is pretty much built on people commenting things they re pretty sure are true regardless of whether or not they actually are. r cars just swings somewhat against Tesla opinion-wise now unsurprisingly. | This is a common discussion and from fellow car interested friends I really noticed how only the negative news stick whilst the positive news either fade away or seem to be remembered as dubious. Tons of human traits in this process I am probably guilty of in other areas. We don t like rapid change with uncertain outcomes. | 59 | 2 | 1,013 |
67ufej | 68 | I used to think people who said Teslas were not real cars were idiots until... I read a thread on r cars about Tesla. The absolute cluelessness and blatantly false facts about Tesla that are upvoted on that subreddit show that Tesla is clearly not a car because these car enthusiasts turn into suburban moms the second they start talking about a Tesla. The vast majority of users don t have a fucking clue about the specifics of the Tesla yet they feel qualified to criticize the company based on flaws that don t even exists. It s absolutely fascinating to read. I once had someone claim that Autopilot has been disabled by Tesla due to multiple crashes and deaths . It had 5 upvotes and no responses. Great subreddit you guys got there r cars! | There s as much cluelessness in most subreddits even this one. I mean look at the number of people that will swear that Tesla has the highest margins of any automaker or any number of other objectively wrong facts . Reddit is pretty much built on people commenting things they re pretty sure are true regardless of whether or not they actually are. r cars just swings somewhat against Tesla opinion-wise now unsurprisingly. | I ve noticed the same thing about that thread. I think they dont like Tesla because it represents an existential threat and exposes a lie that they have held as gospel for many decades. Teslas basically prove that what they have grown to love have been obsolete for 20 years. It also doesnt help that EV s have been subject to a lot of coorporate propoganda. Once the Model 3 comes out and these ICE fans get more chances to see ride drive in them it s going to be especially interesting to how they handle the cognitive dissonance they feel when they realize that EV s inarguably perform better. Some will have the strength to accept the fact that they are wrong. Some will take their ICE love to their grave. | 59 | 6 | 1,014 |
67ufej | 68 | I used to think people who said Teslas were not real cars were idiots until... I read a thread on r cars about Tesla. The absolute cluelessness and blatantly false facts about Tesla that are upvoted on that subreddit show that Tesla is clearly not a car because these car enthusiasts turn into suburban moms the second they start talking about a Tesla. The vast majority of users don t have a fucking clue about the specifics of the Tesla yet they feel qualified to criticize the company based on flaws that don t even exists. It s absolutely fascinating to read. I once had someone claim that Autopilot has been disabled by Tesla due to multiple crashes and deaths . It had 5 upvotes and no responses. Great subreddit you guys got there r cars! | There s as much cluelessness in most subreddits even this one. I mean look at the number of people that will swear that Tesla has the highest margins of any automaker or any number of other objectively wrong facts . Reddit is pretty much built on people commenting things they re pretty sure are true regardless of whether or not they actually are. r cars just swings somewhat against Tesla opinion-wise now unsurprisingly. | *Hive mentality* is real. Go to any sub from r keto to r fitness to r wallstreetbets and you ll see certain main philosophies that might be utterly wrong but held by the sub as mantras to be repeated over and over in a cult-life fashion. Make a comment questioning the mantra and you ll be downvoted to oblivion maybe even called names and - in some cases - even banned. It can be a lot of fun to watch from far away or very frustrated if you want to engage in a constructive conversation. Pick your battles. TL DR: [Taylor Swift is hot](http: i.imgur.com SkSQddH.jpg). | 59 | 12 | 1,015 |
682i5z | 25 | Why is it so difficult for Tesla to get all panel gaps aligned correctly? Is it because of the aluminium? American style quality control? Rushed manufacturing? | Sheetmetal quality is a pain in the ass. First we need to define Quality: Built as intended. It gets a little confusing if we get in to design vs design intent but basically - was the car built the way it should have been. There is no such thing as perfect quality. Every single dimension of every single panel on a car is different from design. Every one of these dimensions has what s called a tolerance of how different from design it can be and still build an acceptable car. Some tolerances are tighter than others depending on the function and appearance of that part. Getting a part in to tolerance involves very skilled knowledge and craftsmanship of stamping molds and other tools. Critical dimensions on these parts are measured periodically to make sure they stay in tolerance. Now that we have parts that are all within tolerance (which they never are *all* in tolerance but let s just go with that) you have to put the car together. Again - you have a new set of tolerances. Just like before - a perfect assembly is impossible. It s just a question of how off from perfect it is and if it is within your assembly dimension tolerances. And everything can be in tolerance and STILL build a bad car due to what s called stack-up tolerance. If the front door can be 3mm aft from the front fender and the rear door is allowed to be 3mm fwd of the rear qtr panel and both happen now the gap between the 2 doors in the middle is 0. There are so many parts that all have to be good enough and so many panels that have to meet up just right... And any change you make to try and fine tune everything in just creates 5 new ones. Aluminum - Doesn t really make life too much worse. Has some slightly different properties like you have a short time between unrolled cut and weld since it hardens when left out. Not a major quality impact but a big operations manuf impact. American Quality - Ford GM have both really stepped up their game on manufacturing quality in the last decade. People still berate them for design (which people often inaccurately call quality ) but the quality is pretty good. Rushed Manufacturing - On the first ~200 cars I d personally say yes but it s mostly just opinion. Major manuf plan to crush the first couple hundred cars for this reason and Tesla just couldn t afford to. If you have other specific questions let me know... I think their biggest opportunity with the 3 -- design so that quality issues are less noticeable. That s an engineering art all on its own. Their trunk with the big gap people are noticing is an example imo. I believe the trunk is supposed to look that way. As a side note -- most of the manuf engineers at Tesla came from Ford GM Others. It s not like what they do in manufacturing is all that unique or special... yet... | Taking an educated guess here. Teslas are getting better fit and finish. It takes years with a plant to find out what tolerances lead to what problems. Maybe the body stamp is off because the press foundation is too weak maybe the car temperature when the body is welded matters maybe the guy putting the bolt in is drunk. Can Tesla get the panels to align perfectly? Of course but it will take years to learn what to change in their own manufacturing plant. Every plant is different. | 49 | 3 | 1,016 |
682i5z | 25 | Why is it so difficult for Tesla to get all panel gaps aligned correctly? Is it because of the aluminium? American style quality control? Rushed manufacturing? | Sheetmetal quality is a pain in the ass. First we need to define Quality: Built as intended. It gets a little confusing if we get in to design vs design intent but basically - was the car built the way it should have been. There is no such thing as perfect quality. Every single dimension of every single panel on a car is different from design. Every one of these dimensions has what s called a tolerance of how different from design it can be and still build an acceptable car. Some tolerances are tighter than others depending on the function and appearance of that part. Getting a part in to tolerance involves very skilled knowledge and craftsmanship of stamping molds and other tools. Critical dimensions on these parts are measured periodically to make sure they stay in tolerance. Now that we have parts that are all within tolerance (which they never are *all* in tolerance but let s just go with that) you have to put the car together. Again - you have a new set of tolerances. Just like before - a perfect assembly is impossible. It s just a question of how off from perfect it is and if it is within your assembly dimension tolerances. And everything can be in tolerance and STILL build a bad car due to what s called stack-up tolerance. If the front door can be 3mm aft from the front fender and the rear door is allowed to be 3mm fwd of the rear qtr panel and both happen now the gap between the 2 doors in the middle is 0. There are so many parts that all have to be good enough and so many panels that have to meet up just right... And any change you make to try and fine tune everything in just creates 5 new ones. Aluminum - Doesn t really make life too much worse. Has some slightly different properties like you have a short time between unrolled cut and weld since it hardens when left out. Not a major quality impact but a big operations manuf impact. American Quality - Ford GM have both really stepped up their game on manufacturing quality in the last decade. People still berate them for design (which people often inaccurately call quality ) but the quality is pretty good. Rushed Manufacturing - On the first ~200 cars I d personally say yes but it s mostly just opinion. Major manuf plan to crush the first couple hundred cars for this reason and Tesla just couldn t afford to. If you have other specific questions let me know... I think their biggest opportunity with the 3 -- design so that quality issues are less noticeable. That s an engineering art all on its own. Their trunk with the big gap people are noticing is an example imo. I believe the trunk is supposed to look that way. As a side note -- most of the manuf engineers at Tesla came from Ford GM Others. It s not like what they do in manufacturing is all that unique or special... yet... | Mine are spot on. The front bonnet is easily adjustable by hand through rotating the bump stops and I ve heard about this final prep activity prior to hand over not being perfect. | 49 | 5 | 1,017 |
682i5z | 25 | Why is it so difficult for Tesla to get all panel gaps aligned correctly? Is it because of the aluminium? American style quality control? Rushed manufacturing? | Sheetmetal quality is a pain in the ass. First we need to define Quality: Built as intended. It gets a little confusing if we get in to design vs design intent but basically - was the car built the way it should have been. There is no such thing as perfect quality. Every single dimension of every single panel on a car is different from design. Every one of these dimensions has what s called a tolerance of how different from design it can be and still build an acceptable car. Some tolerances are tighter than others depending on the function and appearance of that part. Getting a part in to tolerance involves very skilled knowledge and craftsmanship of stamping molds and other tools. Critical dimensions on these parts are measured periodically to make sure they stay in tolerance. Now that we have parts that are all within tolerance (which they never are *all* in tolerance but let s just go with that) you have to put the car together. Again - you have a new set of tolerances. Just like before - a perfect assembly is impossible. It s just a question of how off from perfect it is and if it is within your assembly dimension tolerances. And everything can be in tolerance and STILL build a bad car due to what s called stack-up tolerance. If the front door can be 3mm aft from the front fender and the rear door is allowed to be 3mm fwd of the rear qtr panel and both happen now the gap between the 2 doors in the middle is 0. There are so many parts that all have to be good enough and so many panels that have to meet up just right... And any change you make to try and fine tune everything in just creates 5 new ones. Aluminum - Doesn t really make life too much worse. Has some slightly different properties like you have a short time between unrolled cut and weld since it hardens when left out. Not a major quality impact but a big operations manuf impact. American Quality - Ford GM have both really stepped up their game on manufacturing quality in the last decade. People still berate them for design (which people often inaccurately call quality ) but the quality is pretty good. Rushed Manufacturing - On the first ~200 cars I d personally say yes but it s mostly just opinion. Major manuf plan to crush the first couple hundred cars for this reason and Tesla just couldn t afford to. If you have other specific questions let me know... I think their biggest opportunity with the 3 -- design so that quality issues are less noticeable. That s an engineering art all on its own. Their trunk with the big gap people are noticing is an example imo. I believe the trunk is supposed to look that way. As a side note -- most of the manuf engineers at Tesla came from Ford GM Others. It s not like what they do in manufacturing is all that unique or special... yet... | The pessimistic answer is that If you re production constrained not customer constrained you dont need to improve quality. In fact an improvement in quality could harm you further in the short term. Long term it can damage your brand. But there is typically a culture of we are selling so much now! We can t slow down to fix this it would make things worse! We will fix it once we get on top of things around here and get ahead of the game . Lastly there are probably bigger fires to put out at the moment. | 49 | 6 | 1,018 |
689kry | 188 | Musk: Level 5 Self-Driving in 2 Years From his TED talk: On @Tesla autonomy @TEDchris: How long until you can get in your car fall asleep and wake up at your destination? @elonmusk: 2 years. — DAVE MORIN (@davemorin) April 28 2017 I guess that ability would be required for the Tesla Network Car Service. Do you think at that point in 2019 AP2 HW will still be enough for the functionality? That would certainly influence my buying decision for an early Model 3. Update: BMW also announced today that they will have an electric level 5 autonomous car on the road in the second half of 2021 in cooperation with Intel and Mobileye. (http: www.br.de nachrichten bmw-selbstfahrendes-auto-dingolfing-100.html) | 2 years... in Elon time. | I don t think AP2 HW will be able to handle full self driving. Maybe in sunny California climates but introduce snow or rain and see what happens. | 66 | 33 | 1,019 |
68bvns | 345 | Spotted Model 3 Testing at Fremont Factory Decided to take a nice Saturday drive to the Tesla Fremont factory. Found the test track and peeked through the covered chain link fence to see the Model 3! Super exciting since I had never seen one before despite living in the Bay Area. Looks like they were testing the windshield wipers. GIF of wiper system - http: imgur.com P2yFlCc Side profile pictures - http: imgur.com a J7ayV | I love the Model 3 on most angles but then sometimes I see pictures like these.... | If I had gold you would get it OP. Well done! | 94 | 4 | 1,020 |
68bvns | 345 | Spotted Model 3 Testing at Fremont Factory Decided to take a nice Saturday drive to the Tesla Fremont factory. Found the test track and peeked through the covered chain link fence to see the Model 3! Super exciting since I had never seen one before despite living in the Bay Area. Looks like they were testing the windshield wipers. GIF of wiper system - http: imgur.com P2yFlCc Side profile pictures - http: imgur.com a J7ayV | I love the Model 3 on most angles but then sometimes I see pictures like these.... | Nice! Would love to see one in person! | 94 | 11 | 1,021 |
68bvns | 345 | Spotted Model 3 Testing at Fremont Factory Decided to take a nice Saturday drive to the Tesla Fremont factory. Found the test track and peeked through the covered chain link fence to see the Model 3! Super exciting since I had never seen one before despite living in the Bay Area. Looks like they were testing the windshield wipers. GIF of wiper system - http: imgur.com P2yFlCc Side profile pictures - http: imgur.com a J7ayV | I love the Model 3 on most angles but then sometimes I see pictures like these.... | Thanks for sharing! | 94 | 13 | 1,022 |
68ij1z | 182 | Can we all just agree that the next person to get close to a Model 3 just throws themselves at the car? I keep seeing quick photos of the Model 3 and its doing nothing but tease me. Whoever gets the chance to see one in person next please i beg of you... run up to it like your life depends on it and take a HD video of the interior. It feels like we re lacking this. Yes you will feel like a twat for a few moments and the guys inside will probably jeer you and take off but you ll gain the love of over 79 000+ thirsty Tesla fans. | Honestly I thought you meant to test the AEB. | We ve already seen several shots of the interior though. There s really nothing different in there. | 115 | 22 | 1,023 |
68ij1z | 182 | Can we all just agree that the next person to get close to a Model 3 just throws themselves at the car? I keep seeing quick photos of the Model 3 and its doing nothing but tease me. Whoever gets the chance to see one in person next please i beg of you... run up to it like your life depends on it and take a HD video of the interior. It feels like we re lacking this. Yes you will feel like a twat for a few moments and the guys inside will probably jeer you and take off but you ll gain the love of over 79 000+ thirsty Tesla fans. | Honestly I thought you meant to test the AEB. | Yes i think even a bit further maybe you could kidnap the drivers and force-interview them for factory build out status while your friend takes the video of the car maybe even take it for a spin and report back on how it feels. | 115 | 75 | 1,024 |
68vdei | 114 | Rant: Can we stop treating Charging Spots like VIP Parking spaces? I m flying out of a major airport on the East Coast returning Thursday night. Half of the EV charging spots in the Daily Parking garage are occupied by cars that aren t plugged in and most of the offenders are Teslas -- two are even parked nose-in. I m leaving my car with 45mi range left returning in 2 days with a 15mi drive home. I should be OK but bad traffic or high vampire loss could really screw me. I know this comes up every few months but it s so infuriating. | Honestly I just wish developers real estate owners would stop putting chargers in prime spots. There s a parking garage near my office with 4 car chargers that are *always* ICEd because they re front and center right next to the first level elevator. They never get used as chargers that way. Put em around the sides of buildings slightly out of the way a bit further walk whatever. Disincentivize their use as general parking and you ll actually get them utilized. Any population is going to have its share of lazy shits even EV owners. It sucks but there s no reasonable way to stop it on a wide scale so we just need developer to catch on to the idea of making the chargers more effort to park at than other spots. | If I were only leaving for 2 days I would have tried to get to the airport with enough charge to leave the space open for someone that might be on a longer trip and needs to stay plugged in but to just block the spot completely and not charge at all is a dick move. | 60 | 6 | 1,025 |
69028u | 167 | Tesla Q1 2017 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: ir.tesla.com common download download.cfm?companyid=ABEA-4CW8X0& fileid=940721& filekey=8E9FC98F-343C-4D2E-8516-491DEFB9B69B& filename=TSLA_Q1_2017_Update_Letter.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2017 financial results on today May 3 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). Here s what to expect: **Deliveries** The company already disclosed record delivery number for the last quarter: Tesla delivers a record number of vehicles during the first quarter 2017: ~25 000. It was likely the biggest contributor to the company s latest stock surge. It shows that Tesla could be at an annualized production and delivery rate of 100 000 cars just with the Model S and Model X. https: i.imgur.com EoBD2lu.jpg Tesla says that it delivered approximately 13 450 Model S sedans and 11 550 Model X SUVs during the first 3 months of the year. The company generally adjusts those numbers slightly during the earnings results. **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.533 billion for the quarter and for once Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the exact same result: $2.534 billion in revenue. That s up quarter-to-quarter from Tesla s actual revenue of $2.285 billion during the last quarter and significantly up year-over-year from $1.6 billion in revenue in Q1 2016. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 2VyhTky.jpg Tesla has been on a good streak – beating revenue expectations every quarter for the past 3 quarters – but expectations are much higher this quarter due to the record deliveries. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to thread really close to 0 for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.16 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is the same. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6WizNS2.jpg As you can see earnings have been more of a wild card for Tesla. The company has been heavily investing in the start of Model 3 production and the expansions of its charging networks retail stores and service centers in preparation for the launch of the vehicle. Therefore earnings depend a lot on how much of a strain those investments were on Tesla s financials during the quarter. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Again the biggest thing shareholders and analysts will be looking for is an update on Model 3 production in order to update their expectation for deliveries in 2017. After the last earnings a lot of industry watchers were more optimistic about deliveries this year. Based on Tesla s own part schedule plans they could deliver around 80 000 Model 3 vehicles in 2017 with perfect execution which of course is close to impossible. Shareholders will also be looking for updates on the launch of Tesla s solar products this summer and the state of the integration of SolarCity in Tesla as one company. The solar operations have been under restructuring and we expect to start seeing Tesla operate its Tesla Energy division as a solar installer under its own brand by the summer when they will start installing their exclusive Panasonic solar panels and their own solar roof tiles. The results and shareholders letter will be released after market close. You can stick around after for the conference call with management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time) and you can join on the call through Tesla s investor relations website. | * 25 051 deliveries and $2.7B GAAP revenue ($2.503B non-GAAP - $2.29B automotive and $214M energy). * Model 3 development nearly complete - testing Release Candidates. On track for production in July rapming to 5k wk bp EOY 2017 and 10k week by EOY 2018. * 27% gross margin * $4B cash on hand. * Opening Tesla-owned body shops this year. * Repair times down 35% this year taking advantage of remote diagnostics so technicians can identify the problem before the car is brought in. * Adding 100 mobile repair trucks in Q2. * Supercharger count expected to double to 10k globally by EOY. * 150MW of solar generation deployed 60MWh of storage installed in Q1. 52MWh of that storage was the Kauai project which will begin operation shortly . * Initial solar roof pilot manufacturing in Q2. * First half delivery outlook 47-50k. * Model 3 will have less range less acceleration less power less cargo room than Model S and only 1 display. | Wall Street eps estimates is (0.67) for TSLA this quarter and is listed that way on multiple sites. | 90 | 2 | 1,026 |
69028u | 167 | Tesla Q1 2017 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: ir.tesla.com common download download.cfm?companyid=ABEA-4CW8X0& fileid=940721& filekey=8E9FC98F-343C-4D2E-8516-491DEFB9B69B& filename=TSLA_Q1_2017_Update_Letter.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2017 financial results on today May 3 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). Here s what to expect: **Deliveries** The company already disclosed record delivery number for the last quarter: Tesla delivers a record number of vehicles during the first quarter 2017: ~25 000. It was likely the biggest contributor to the company s latest stock surge. It shows that Tesla could be at an annualized production and delivery rate of 100 000 cars just with the Model S and Model X. https: i.imgur.com EoBD2lu.jpg Tesla says that it delivered approximately 13 450 Model S sedans and 11 550 Model X SUVs during the first 3 months of the year. The company generally adjusts those numbers slightly during the earnings results. **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.533 billion for the quarter and for once Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the exact same result: $2.534 billion in revenue. That s up quarter-to-quarter from Tesla s actual revenue of $2.285 billion during the last quarter and significantly up year-over-year from $1.6 billion in revenue in Q1 2016. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 2VyhTky.jpg Tesla has been on a good streak – beating revenue expectations every quarter for the past 3 quarters – but expectations are much higher this quarter due to the record deliveries. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to thread really close to 0 for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.16 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is the same. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6WizNS2.jpg As you can see earnings have been more of a wild card for Tesla. The company has been heavily investing in the start of Model 3 production and the expansions of its charging networks retail stores and service centers in preparation for the launch of the vehicle. Therefore earnings depend a lot on how much of a strain those investments were on Tesla s financials during the quarter. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Again the biggest thing shareholders and analysts will be looking for is an update on Model 3 production in order to update their expectation for deliveries in 2017. After the last earnings a lot of industry watchers were more optimistic about deliveries this year. Based on Tesla s own part schedule plans they could deliver around 80 000 Model 3 vehicles in 2017 with perfect execution which of course is close to impossible. Shareholders will also be looking for updates on the launch of Tesla s solar products this summer and the state of the integration of SolarCity in Tesla as one company. The solar operations have been under restructuring and we expect to start seeing Tesla operate its Tesla Energy division as a solar installer under its own brand by the summer when they will start installing their exclusive Panasonic solar panels and their own solar roof tiles. The results and shareholders letter will be released after market close. You can stick around after for the conference call with management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time) and you can join on the call through Tesla s investor relations website. | * 25 051 deliveries and $2.7B GAAP revenue ($2.503B non-GAAP - $2.29B automotive and $214M energy). * Model 3 development nearly complete - testing Release Candidates. On track for production in July rapming to 5k wk bp EOY 2017 and 10k week by EOY 2018. * 27% gross margin * $4B cash on hand. * Opening Tesla-owned body shops this year. * Repair times down 35% this year taking advantage of remote diagnostics so technicians can identify the problem before the car is brought in. * Adding 100 mobile repair trucks in Q2. * Supercharger count expected to double to 10k globally by EOY. * 150MW of solar generation deployed 60MWh of storage installed in Q1. 52MWh of that storage was the Kauai project which will begin operation shortly . * Initial solar roof pilot manufacturing in Q2. * First half delivery outlook 47-50k. * Model 3 will have less range less acceleration less power less cargo room than Model S and only 1 display. | Hold on to your butts guys! Should be interesting to see the market reaction tomorrow! | 90 | 3 | 1,027 |
69028u | 167 | Tesla Q1 2017 financial results and conference call (5:30pm UTC-4) [Official thread] Please keep all posts related to the earnings shareholders letter and conference call in this post. I will add the shareholders letter here as soon as it becomes available which should be a few minutes after market close. * [Tesla Conference Call](http: ir.tesla.com events.cfm) * [Tesla shareholder letter](http: ir.tesla.com common download download.cfm?companyid=ABEA-4CW8X0& fileid=940721& filekey=8E9FC98F-343C-4D2E-8516-491DEFB9B69B& filename=TSLA_Q1_2017_Update_Letter.pdf) ______________________________ Tesla (TSLA) is set to release its first quarter 2017 financial results on today May 3 after market close. As usual the release of the results will be followed by a conference call and Q& A with Tesla s management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time). Here s what to expect: **Deliveries** The company already disclosed record delivery number for the last quarter: Tesla delivers a record number of vehicles during the first quarter 2017: ~25 000. It was likely the biggest contributor to the company s latest stock surge. It shows that Tesla could be at an annualized production and delivery rate of 100 000 cars just with the Model S and Model X. https: i.imgur.com EoBD2lu.jpg Tesla says that it delivered approximately 13 450 Model S sedans and 11 550 Model X SUVs during the first 3 months of the year. The company generally adjusts those numbers slightly during the earnings results. **Revenue** Wall Street s revenue consensus is $2.533 billion for the quarter and for once Estimize the financial estimate crowdsourcing website predicts almost the exact same result: $2.534 billion in revenue. That s up quarter-to-quarter from Tesla s actual revenue of $2.285 billion during the last quarter and significantly up year-over-year from $1.6 billion in revenue in Q1 2016. The predictions for Tesla s revenue over the past 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 2VyhTky.jpg Tesla has been on a good streak – beating revenue expectations every quarter for the past 3 quarters – but expectations are much higher this quarter due to the record deliveries. **Earnings** Earnings per share or rather loss per share is expected to thread really close to 0 for the quarter. Like for revenue the expectations are close for both the street and retail investors. The Wall Street consensus is a loss of $0.16 per share for the quarter while Estimize s prediction is the same. Earnings per share over the last 2 years – Estimize predictions in blue – Wall Street consensus in grey – Actual results in green: https: i.imgur.com 6WizNS2.jpg As you can see earnings have been more of a wild card for Tesla. The company has been heavily investing in the start of Model 3 production and the expansions of its charging networks retail stores and service centers in preparation for the launch of the vehicle. Therefore earnings depend a lot on how much of a strain those investments were on Tesla s financials during the quarter. **Other expectations for the shareholders letter and analyst call** Again the biggest thing shareholders and analysts will be looking for is an update on Model 3 production in order to update their expectation for deliveries in 2017. After the last earnings a lot of industry watchers were more optimistic about deliveries this year. Based on Tesla s own part schedule plans they could deliver around 80 000 Model 3 vehicles in 2017 with perfect execution which of course is close to impossible. Shareholders will also be looking for updates on the launch of Tesla s solar products this summer and the state of the integration of SolarCity in Tesla as one company. The solar operations have been under restructuring and we expect to start seeing Tesla operate its Tesla Energy division as a solar installer under its own brand by the summer when they will start installing their exclusive Panasonic solar panels and their own solar roof tiles. The results and shareholders letter will be released after market close. You can stick around after for the conference call with management at 2:30pm Pacific Time (5:30pm Eastern Time) and you can join on the call through Tesla s investor relations website. | * 25 051 deliveries and $2.7B GAAP revenue ($2.503B non-GAAP - $2.29B automotive and $214M energy). * Model 3 development nearly complete - testing Release Candidates. On track for production in July rapming to 5k wk bp EOY 2017 and 10k week by EOY 2018. * 27% gross margin * $4B cash on hand. * Opening Tesla-owned body shops this year. * Repair times down 35% this year taking advantage of remote diagnostics so technicians can identify the problem before the car is brought in. * Adding 100 mobile repair trucks in Q2. * Supercharger count expected to double to 10k globally by EOY. * 150MW of solar generation deployed 60MWh of storage installed in Q1. 52MWh of that storage was the Kauai project which will begin operation shortly . * Initial solar roof pilot manufacturing in Q2. * First half delivery outlook 47-50k. * Model 3 will have less range less acceleration less power less cargo room than Model S and only 1 display. | [Business Insider: Tesla first-quarter earnings preview](http: www.businessinsider.com teslas-first-quarter-earnings-preview-2017-5) Not really any new information for regulars of the sub but it gives a pretty fair overview I think. | 90 | 4 | 1,028 |
697k61 | 54 | Tesla and retirement A lot of people who are thinking about retirement like the idea of buying an RV and traveling the United States. It s a great idea but RV s are expensive not exactly fun to drive use a ton of gas and are arguably not as nice as staying in a hotel. Of course everyone travels differently though. I m hoping to retire in a few years and I certainly want to spend time exploring this great country seeing the national parks and dynamic cities. However my vision of travel is getting into my Tesla Model-3 telling it what park or city to drive me to and simply relax while it takes me there in comfort and safety. The money I save in gas alone not to mention the fact that RV s are *expensive* will easily pay for a nice hotel room anywhere I want to go. The future of travel for retirees in safety and comfort looks very bright in a self-driving Tesla car!!! | In a few years you can get a Model Y and tow a small (relatively) inexpensive aerodynamic camper with it and have the best of both worlds. | Solar panels in the roof and awning. Is this realistic? Sounds cool | 30 | 2 | 1,029 |
69j2x3 | 30 | Other than range performance how is the Model 3 going to be inferior to the Model S? With Elon doing his thing anti-selling the Model 3 it got me thinking about what would be the tangible trade-off for consumers looking to save $50k? * Tesla already has a minimalist interior (to be generous) so not sure how much of that they can take away. * Autopilot full-self driving hardware will be included although like the S will be a feature to be unlocked. * Car will be smaller * Perhaps more steel used though don t see how that is a negative to consumers? Basically how can they make the Model 3 enough inferior to the Model S so as not to cannibalize sales? With autopilot and 220+ miles of range I don t see how they can make it shitty enough to justify buying a Model S while making it worth spending $35k+ on. | To be honest it s going to mostly be about the refinement. * Sonar won t be hidden behind the skin of the car as is the case for S and X we know this already. * Interior is even more simplified than S and X. It s a straight dash with a single screen. * No power door handles no motorized doors. * Obviously 20%+ less material needed to build * Smaller battery packs * Smaller wheel options * Smaller cargo space no hatchback * Less performance * Narrower rear seating (Despite Elon saying it will sit 5 adults comfortably - that back seat is not wide enough for 5 adults. Tall enough & enough leg room? Yes. Wide enough? nope) Those are the big ticket items... Then there s the stuff that they include in the base S and X that they could hold back as options on the Model 3: * Navigation Web browsing (moved to tech package) * Alcantara headliner (moved to the luxury interior option) * Power liftgate (moved to convenience features option) * Full LED headlights (moved to premium option) * Power mirrors (moved to convenience features option) If you take a good look at the two lists I ve compiled I think you ll be able to add up the value difference between the Model 3 and the S and X and see that the gap is pretty clear although I also believe there will probably be some upcoming interior refreshes on the S & X particularly on the infotainment center stack. | I have been struggling with this too. One possible solution would be to lower the overall all price of the model S and reduce the line to only one battery size. The 100D. If the only model S option was a 100D that had all the performance hardware included and only required a software unlock for Ludacris - that might be a great way of defining the difference between the model S and the model 3. I could imagine that since profit margins are so high on the model S Tesla could sell this single model S 100D (that could be upgraded to a P100D) at a price point of $65-90k and not only make profit but also genuinely make the customer feel as if they are getting a deal while making them feel far more exclusive. Currently I feel there is far too many variations of the model S which was partially due to the ever changing technology. The many battery options of the S was also due to an attempt to lower the entry point. Now that the model 3 is coming out that kind of iterative advancement is better suited to a car that would be purchased more often by repeat buyers and at a lower cost. | 32 | 2 | 1,030 |
69j2x3 | 30 | Other than range performance how is the Model 3 going to be inferior to the Model S? With Elon doing his thing anti-selling the Model 3 it got me thinking about what would be the tangible trade-off for consumers looking to save $50k? * Tesla already has a minimalist interior (to be generous) so not sure how much of that they can take away. * Autopilot full-self driving hardware will be included although like the S will be a feature to be unlocked. * Car will be smaller * Perhaps more steel used though don t see how that is a negative to consumers? Basically how can they make the Model 3 enough inferior to the Model S so as not to cannibalize sales? With autopilot and 220+ miles of range I don t see how they can make it shitty enough to justify buying a Model S while making it worth spending $35k+ on. | To be honest it s going to mostly be about the refinement. * Sonar won t be hidden behind the skin of the car as is the case for S and X we know this already. * Interior is even more simplified than S and X. It s a straight dash with a single screen. * No power door handles no motorized doors. * Obviously 20%+ less material needed to build * Smaller battery packs * Smaller wheel options * Smaller cargo space no hatchback * Less performance * Narrower rear seating (Despite Elon saying it will sit 5 adults comfortably - that back seat is not wide enough for 5 adults. Tall enough & enough leg room? Yes. Wide enough? nope) Those are the big ticket items... Then there s the stuff that they include in the base S and X that they could hold back as options on the Model 3: * Navigation Web browsing (moved to tech package) * Alcantara headliner (moved to the luxury interior option) * Power liftgate (moved to convenience features option) * Full LED headlights (moved to premium option) * Power mirrors (moved to convenience features option) If you take a good look at the two lists I ve compiled I think you ll be able to add up the value difference between the Model 3 and the S and X and see that the gap is pretty clear although I also believe there will probably be some upcoming interior refreshes on the S & X particularly on the infotainment center stack. | Just smaller from what I can tell unless they reduce the number of options available in the car. The car is still going to be fantastic and better than a comparably priced MB or BMW. Autopilot = WIN | 32 | 3 | 1,031 |
69j2x3 | 30 | Other than range performance how is the Model 3 going to be inferior to the Model S? With Elon doing his thing anti-selling the Model 3 it got me thinking about what would be the tangible trade-off for consumers looking to save $50k? * Tesla already has a minimalist interior (to be generous) so not sure how much of that they can take away. * Autopilot full-self driving hardware will be included although like the S will be a feature to be unlocked. * Car will be smaller * Perhaps more steel used though don t see how that is a negative to consumers? Basically how can they make the Model 3 enough inferior to the Model S so as not to cannibalize sales? With autopilot and 220+ miles of range I don t see how they can make it shitty enough to justify buying a Model S while making it worth spending $35k+ on. | To be honest it s going to mostly be about the refinement. * Sonar won t be hidden behind the skin of the car as is the case for S and X we know this already. * Interior is even more simplified than S and X. It s a straight dash with a single screen. * No power door handles no motorized doors. * Obviously 20%+ less material needed to build * Smaller battery packs * Smaller wheel options * Smaller cargo space no hatchback * Less performance * Narrower rear seating (Despite Elon saying it will sit 5 adults comfortably - that back seat is not wide enough for 5 adults. Tall enough & enough leg room? Yes. Wide enough? nope) Those are the big ticket items... Then there s the stuff that they include in the base S and X that they could hold back as options on the Model 3: * Navigation Web browsing (moved to tech package) * Alcantara headliner (moved to the luxury interior option) * Power liftgate (moved to convenience features option) * Full LED headlights (moved to premium option) * Power mirrors (moved to convenience features option) If you take a good look at the two lists I ve compiled I think you ll be able to add up the value difference between the Model 3 and the S and X and see that the gap is pretty clear although I also believe there will probably be some upcoming interior refreshes on the S & X particularly on the infotainment center stack. | The S X will always have more tech than a 3. Model 3 will have 1 less screen. Model 3 will probably have fewer high quality components.. i.e.) fabric seats instead of leather Model 3 will have smaller batteries (huge cost difference) Little changes add up. | 32 | 4 | 1,032 |
69lc92 | 386 | Tesla AP2 cars can now send short video clips back to Tesla for data sharing This TMC user posted his her encounter [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-17-17-4.90322 page-2#post-2090882). Original post: > Another new thing that I noticed this morning that I think is new with this update is data sharing . It asks if Tesla can collect short video clips using the car s external cameras to learn how to recognize things like lane lines street signs and traffic light positions. You have to checkmark agree twice to allow it to work. Looks like this is new to the last update (17.17.4) which has just started rolling out. To train a Vision AI you essentially annotate trace an image with certain details like where the lane markers signs etc are. By sharing these videos with Tesla they can annotate more images from around the world which will help them train the Vision AI to see things unique to specific countries. It also lets them analyse how the Vision AI sees in more complex scenarios like a busy city centre or roundabouts. | I m not a vision AI expert but this seems like a huge advantage. They d get to see all different kinds of signs and markings in all kinds of weather and lighting conditions. | And the consumer probably has no control or access to what videos his car is sending to Tesla. He can only opt-out altogether right? | 72 | 2 | 1,033 |
69lc92 | 386 | Tesla AP2 cars can now send short video clips back to Tesla for data sharing This TMC user posted his her encounter [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-17-17-4.90322 page-2#post-2090882). Original post: > Another new thing that I noticed this morning that I think is new with this update is data sharing . It asks if Tesla can collect short video clips using the car s external cameras to learn how to recognize things like lane lines street signs and traffic light positions. You have to checkmark agree twice to allow it to work. Looks like this is new to the last update (17.17.4) which has just started rolling out. To train a Vision AI you essentially annotate trace an image with certain details like where the lane markers signs etc are. By sharing these videos with Tesla they can annotate more images from around the world which will help them train the Vision AI to see things unique to specific countries. It also lets them analyse how the Vision AI sees in more complex scenarios like a busy city centre or roundabouts. | I m not a vision AI expert but this seems like a huge advantage. They d get to see all different kinds of signs and markings in all kinds of weather and lighting conditions. | So what s different with the previous data sharing function? It appears it was maybe only short sequences of images like the ones Jason Hughes or wk057 collected from wrecked cars. | 72 | 17 | 1,034 |
69lc92 | 386 | Tesla AP2 cars can now send short video clips back to Tesla for data sharing This TMC user posted his her encounter [here](https: teslamotorsclub.com tmc threads software-update-17-17-4.90322 page-2#post-2090882). Original post: > Another new thing that I noticed this morning that I think is new with this update is data sharing . It asks if Tesla can collect short video clips using the car s external cameras to learn how to recognize things like lane lines street signs and traffic light positions. You have to checkmark agree twice to allow it to work. Looks like this is new to the last update (17.17.4) which has just started rolling out. To train a Vision AI you essentially annotate trace an image with certain details like where the lane markers signs etc are. By sharing these videos with Tesla they can annotate more images from around the world which will help them train the Vision AI to see things unique to specific countries. It also lets them analyse how the Vision AI sees in more complex scenarios like a busy city centre or roundabouts. | I can t wait to share the article that Fred writes about this one! | So what s different with the previous data sharing function? It appears it was maybe only short sequences of images like the ones Jason Hughes or wk057 collected from wrecked cars. | 70 | 17 | 1,035 |
6a6lv8 | 36 | I love how Musk is always one step ahead https: arstechnica.com information-technology 2016 11 spacex-plans-worldwide-satellite-internet-with-low-latency-gigabit-speed When it s time to have fully autonomous cars and someone recognizes the need for always connected... once again Tesla will have an advantage just like its supercharger network gives them an huge advantage today. | > 1 step lol | I d say Elon is several steps ahead of competitors at Tesla and SpaceX. Another thing that makes him great is that he is able to stop on a dime and change direction when he sees it doesn t make sense anymore. One good example is the Tesla Minibus. It was listed on Master Plan Part Deux last summer but then on a conference call with investors last week he said he doesn t think it is needed. | 52 | 2 | 1,036 |
6a6lv8 | 36 | I love how Musk is always one step ahead https: arstechnica.com information-technology 2016 11 spacex-plans-worldwide-satellite-internet-with-low-latency-gigabit-speed When it s time to have fully autonomous cars and someone recognizes the need for always connected... once again Tesla will have an advantage just like its supercharger network gives them an huge advantage today. | > 1 step lol | I love how you masqueraded Elon fanpost to be something of Tesla related. | 52 | 4 | 1,037 |
6a6lv8 | 36 | I love how Musk is always one step ahead https: arstechnica.com information-technology 2016 11 spacex-plans-worldwide-satellite-internet-with-low-latency-gigabit-speed When it s time to have fully autonomous cars and someone recognizes the need for always connected... once again Tesla will have an advantage just like its supercharger network gives them an huge advantage today. | > 1 step lol | I think you mean how Elon always plans to be ahead. And why do autonomous cars need to always be connected and why would 100 mS of latency matter for them? | 52 | 8 | 1,038 |
6agmba | 102 | Heard back from my homeowners insurance there s no way they would cover the home with the Tesla solar roof on it. This is a major company on a house worth ~ $375k. They would either have to have their underwriters write a special exception removing the roof and all related systems and potential damages from the policy or they d drop the policy altogether. The roof would be too expensive to replace under their roofing policies (they said they allow a maximum of $30k and most replacements are $9-18k) too expensive as a percentage of the house value and a few other reasons that were over my pay grade to understand. The bottom line is that unless Tesla is going to offer homeowners insurance to solar roof buyers beware the ramifications of this purchase. I ve held off on solar waiting for this day but the upfront cost being 4x my cost to outright buy the largest system my net metering allows combined with the insurance issue has put that dream to bed. | This is correct. Most American insurance policies only cover replacement with a standard asphalt roof even if you have something better. I live in area with lots of 100 year old houses many of which have beautiful slate roofs. All these homeowners who care pay the insurance company extra for replacement value of the slate roof. | Hmmmm interesting. This is certainly a story to follow. | 43 | 4 | 1,039 |
6agmba | 102 | Heard back from my homeowners insurance there s no way they would cover the home with the Tesla solar roof on it. This is a major company on a house worth ~ $375k. They would either have to have their underwriters write a special exception removing the roof and all related systems and potential damages from the policy or they d drop the policy altogether. The roof would be too expensive to replace under their roofing policies (they said they allow a maximum of $30k and most replacements are $9-18k) too expensive as a percentage of the house value and a few other reasons that were over my pay grade to understand. The bottom line is that unless Tesla is going to offer homeowners insurance to solar roof buyers beware the ramifications of this purchase. I ve held off on solar waiting for this day but the upfront cost being 4x my cost to outright buy the largest system my net metering allows combined with the insurance issue has put that dream to bed. | This is correct. Most American insurance policies only cover replacement with a standard asphalt roof even if you have something better. I live in area with lots of 100 year old houses many of which have beautiful slate roofs. All these homeowners who care pay the insurance company extra for replacement value of the slate roof. | Question - would they cover a roof + a solar system separately? | 43 | 4 | 1,040 |
6ar968 | 73 | Images and Videos of the Boring Start http: imgur.com gallery l5HUg https: streamable.com vbsuo [Warning this may cause motion sickness or seizures] This is a test run of our electric sled that would transport cars at 125 mph (200 km h) through the tunnels automatically switching from one tunnel to the next. Would mean Westwood to LAX in 5 mins. https: streamable.com g2nb7 First tunnel for The Boring Company begins ... Full length of first tunnel will run from LAX to Culver City Santa Monica Westwood and Sherman Oaks. Future tunnels will cover all of greater LA. https: streamable.com qv843 Cutterhead in operation at standard industry speed. Planning to jack this up by a factor of ten or more. | Even though I shouldn t be shocked I am still amazed at how fast any idea from Elon turns into actual execution. | well we now know the epileptic people can never ride in the hyperloop. | 53 | 5 | 1,041 |
6ar968 | 73 | Images and Videos of the Boring Start http: imgur.com gallery l5HUg https: streamable.com vbsuo [Warning this may cause motion sickness or seizures] This is a test run of our electric sled that would transport cars at 125 mph (200 km h) through the tunnels automatically switching from one tunnel to the next. Would mean Westwood to LAX in 5 mins. https: streamable.com g2nb7 First tunnel for The Boring Company begins ... Full length of first tunnel will run from LAX to Culver City Santa Monica Westwood and Sherman Oaks. Future tunnels will cover all of greater LA. https: streamable.com qv843 Cutterhead in operation at standard industry speed. Planning to jack this up by a factor of ten or more. | Even though I shouldn t be shocked I am still amazed at how fast any idea from Elon turns into actual execution. | Head on over to [ r BoringCompany ](https: www.reddit.com r BoringCompany ) | 53 | 9 | 1,042 |
6arc42 | 502 | Germany just legalized self-driving cars The German Bundesrat just passed the bill to allow self-driving cars: http: www.spiegel.de auto aktuell bundesrat-billigt-gesetz-zu-selbstfahrenden-autos-a-1147370.html (german text) - 100% autonomous driving is now legal - a driver has to be present at all times - driver has to be able to take over at any time - driver can take hands off of the wheel and other activities like surfing the web or writing emails is explicitly allowed - in case of an accident the driver is only liable if he didn t react to the warnings of his car otherwise *the car manufacturer is liable* - car needs to have a black box - law will be reviewed in 2019 as significant technological advancements are to expected Edit: typos Edit 2: Sorry forgot about Rule 2 .. Here something I thought about: how quickly will Tesla enable hands-off mode here in Germany after this law? As I understand at the moment you are required to have at least one finger touching the wheel or AP will disable itself right? Is this a technical limitation as they are not confident enough to let the system drive hand-off or is this due legal requirements (in States that allow AP). | I like everything about this law - especially that it will be reviewed in 2019 to adapt to what the state of technology will be at that time. Until then it is still a very good idea to have someone in the car to take over. After 2019 I think cars will be able to handle most things without a backup human. I wish more laws were this forward-looking. So many of the problems with our legal systems are caused by laws that made sense at the time but had no expiration date. | Hmm not sure how to be able to take control if you are allowed to write mails and surf during the drive. Considering Autobahn speeds there is literally no time for a person to move focus away from a mail to understand the warning of the car and react appropriately. But it is a good start nonetheless | 88 | 4 | 1,043 |
6b58c1 | 99 | Tesla should give a reward to the first person who reaches 1million kilometers with the same battery I think Tesla should give the first person who reaches 1 million miles some kind of gift. This would also be a nice challenge to see the car lasting that long on the same battery even if it would have lost a lot of its range by that time. This would obviously also proof that electric cars can last very long. | Tesla has been taking away batteries with less miles km s for research purposes. I believe they took tesloops battery with 200k miles( I think) and provided new battery for free | That would be a cool idea. Kinda like [this guy](http: www.autoblog.com 2013 09 18 irv-gordons-volvo-p1800-has-hit-3-million-miles ) with his Volvo. They gave him a car when he hit 1 million and 2 million miles. He s probably well into 3 million now. | 45 | 13 | 1,044 |
6bfhar | 205 | Finished my first road trip in my Model S. Here are some thoughts and experiences. I just finished my first long-distance road trip in my Tesla and I figured I would share my thoughts experiences and observations. This might be useful to owners who haven t had the opportunity to take a road trip (yet) or who haven t collected as much data as I have. It might also be useful to enthusiasts and potential future owners. My trip took me from my home in Tampa FL (with one passenger) up to Mountain City GA to pick up two more passengers and finally to my destination in Boone NC. On the return trip I went straight from Boone to Tampa. Both directions of the trip were broken into two days of driving. I stopped in Roswell (just north of Atlanta) on the way to Mountain City at a hotel which featured a Tesla destination charger. I couldn t find any reasonably-priced hotels with destination chargers for the return trip so I instead opted to stay at a (much) cheaper hotel very near the Savannah GA supercharger and to instead go and supercharge once everyone was checked into their rooms. My car is a 2016 Model S with free supercharging and autopilot 2.0 hardware. My supercharging stops were: - Lake City FL - Tifton GA - Macon GA - *(destination charging overnight)* - Asheville NC - *(charging at final destination on 120V AC)* - Columbia NC - Savannah GA - Kingsland GA - Ocala FL I set up a personal server to collect all possible data from the car (via the undocumented owners API) at the following intervals: - Every minute when driving or supercharging - Every 5 minutes when charging on AC - Every 30 minutes when parked unplugged or charging complete # Charging I initially thought that with the lack of refueling stops and rest area stops that time added to the trip by charging would be roughly equivalent to time saved. I was wrong about this. My family traditionally packs sandwich lunches and eats them in the parking lot of rest areas so that we can get back on the road as quickly as possible. While the supercharging stops were not an unwelcome change of pace they did add noticeable time to the trip. I also initially thought that all superchargers are crazy fast and provide a large amount of relatively constant power. This was also incorrect. My average charging energy for each stop was: - Lake City: 65 kW (29% to 73% SOC 32 minutes) - Tifton: 69 kW (23% to 76% 36 minutes) - Macon: 48 kW (32% to 62% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 32 kW (21% to 41% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 78 kW (41% to 50% 5 minutes) - Asheville: 43 kW (51% to 86% 36 minutes) - Columbia: 50 kW (21% to 88% 61 minutes) - Savannah: 68 kW (15% to 85% 47 minutes) - Kingsland: 62 kW (37% to 89% 38 minutes) - Ocala: 51 kW (31% to 94% 56 minutes) Asheville is listed 3 times because I did some experimentation there. After everyone got out of the car I turned on the A C with the mobile app in order to keep the car cool and to avoid snacks from melting. At this point the car was charging at a relatively high rate (around 90 kW) Once everyone got food I noticed on the app that the car was charging extremely slowly. I went out and moved it to a different supercharger stall where the same thing happened: it initially charged very quickly and then dropped down. I stopped and restarted charging from the app and this time kept A C off. I have made a graph of the Savannah supercharging session [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6b843t i_will_be_concluding_my_first_longdistance_road ). I ve also made a graph of the Ocala supercharging session [here](https: mckay.media MU29i.png). I charged around 332.07 kWh at superchargers during this trip. If I didn t have free supercharging this would have eaten a considerable portion of my free annual supercharging credits (400 kWh). The built-in trip planner seems to aim for a 15% buffer at your destination. I typically stayed at the supercharger for around as long as it said I needed to then it estimated 15% remaining charge at the next supercharger. That estimated charge went up as I drove (maybe I drove more conservatively than it expected). In terms of destination charging I ve found that it seems to be better to look for hotels near superchargers than for hotels which have destination chargers. For one those hotels that have destination chargers tend to be much more expensive (at least in this area). I was also fortunate enough to not have to compete with another Tesla owner for the charger it could have been very frustrating if that were the case. Several of the superchargers I stopped at were located near hotels (the Columbia charger is literally in the parking lot of a Hilton). Stopping near a supercharger also has the added benefit of giving you a car. When I pulled into the hotel on the way to Mountain City I noticed that the Tesla charger was open so I snagged it as quickly as possible. I was then left at the mercy of the hotel shuttle to get around since I didn t want to give up the charger and risk losing it. # Driving Autopilot handled like a dream. Maybe a dozen or so times in the entire 1 556 mile trip did I have to manually take over and that was usually around construction zones where the lines on the road were all over the place or when someone started to drift into my lane. I m very very impressed with how well the Autopilot 2.0 system handled on the 17.17.4 software. The car s estimates for battery range were very accurate. I found that using TACC to maintain around 75 mph on the (flat) interstate hovered around the ideal 300 Wh mile. I had the A C set to between 67-69 degrees Fahrenheit throughout the trip. Here are the discrepancies between the car s rated range (the range displayed on the instrument cluster) and the actual distance traveled as checked at each charging station: Lake City Supercharger Charging duration: 32 minutes Consumed range: 184.65 Distance traveled: 170.59 Lost miles: 14.06 Tifton Supercharger Charging duration: 36 minutes Consumed range: 130.48 Distance traveled: 106.59 Lost miles: 23.89 Macon Supercharger Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 117.21 Distance traveled: 103.81 Lost miles: 13.4 DoubleTree Roswell Charging duration: 506 minutes Consumed range: 116.47 Distance traveled: 109.58 Lost miles: 6.89 Asheville Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 206.68 Distance traveled: 196.4 Lost miles: 10.28 Boone House Charging duration: 2114 minutes Consumed range: 122 Distance traveled: 109.21 Lost miles: 12.79 Columbia Supercharger Charging duration: 61 minutes Consumed range: 172.53 Distance traveled: 186.41 Lost miles: -13.88 Savannah Supercharger Charging duration: 47 minutes Consumed range: 187.27 Distance traveled: 170.75 Lost miles: 16.52 Kingsland Supercharger Charging duration: 38 minutes Consumed range: 124.24 Distance traveled: 105.31 Lost miles: 18.93 Ocala Supercharger Charging duration: 56 minutes Consumed range: 148.56 Distance traveled: 139.82 Lost miles: 8.74 The Columbia supercharger has negative loss because there was a lot of downhill driving from the Boone house to the supercharger. It s curious that there wasn t more loss from Asheville to the Boone house in my opinion. One small gripe: the GPS-based speed limit detection worked relatively poorly on the mountain roads and sometimes on US highways (e.g. US-301). By that I mean that it just didn t detect speed limit changes somewhat frequently. # Socialization The superchargers usually weren t very full (I believe 2 other Teslas in addition to my own was the record). When there were Teslas charging either they were empty or the occupants had sealed themselves inside and didn t seem to be in a talkative mood. I noticed that these folks usually appeared to be somewhat elderly. The only Tesla owner I was able to converse with was a Model X owner at the Columbia supercharger who informed me that he lived in the area and was only at the supercharger for free power. He let me take a look around since I d never seen a Model X up close before and demonstrated modelxmas. I think it might be neat if there were a Tesla social network in which you fill in a brief profile detailing some basic information about you your interests etc. Then when you start supercharging it could show you information about others who have filled out profiles who are also charging at your station. This might help to break the ice a little bit. Just a silly little idea. :) I also didn t see *any* Teslas on the trip that weren t at a supercharger or a standard charging station besides one that was being hauled on a car-carrier truck along with vehicles from other makes. # Supercharger Amenities Most of the superchargers had decent amenities albeit some required a bit of a walk (e.g. Columbia s closest food was a short hike away). The Macon supercharger seemed to be in a not-great area of town and since I arrived past 5 PM the nearby African-American museum and welcome center were both closed. The Ocala supercharger is located in the parking lot of a half-completed shopping complex and the closest food that wasn t a sit-down restaurant was about a 10-minute walk through the shopping complex. The Asheville supercharger was in the parking lot of an outlet mall which I liked (there need to be more of those). # The End I hope this was informative. If anyone has any questions I m glad to provide whatever answers I can! | This is the best post on this sub in a long time. | On a percentage basis how much time do you think the Tesla has added to your road trip everything considered? | 41 | 2 | 1,045 |
6bfhar | 205 | Finished my first road trip in my Model S. Here are some thoughts and experiences. I just finished my first long-distance road trip in my Tesla and I figured I would share my thoughts experiences and observations. This might be useful to owners who haven t had the opportunity to take a road trip (yet) or who haven t collected as much data as I have. It might also be useful to enthusiasts and potential future owners. My trip took me from my home in Tampa FL (with one passenger) up to Mountain City GA to pick up two more passengers and finally to my destination in Boone NC. On the return trip I went straight from Boone to Tampa. Both directions of the trip were broken into two days of driving. I stopped in Roswell (just north of Atlanta) on the way to Mountain City at a hotel which featured a Tesla destination charger. I couldn t find any reasonably-priced hotels with destination chargers for the return trip so I instead opted to stay at a (much) cheaper hotel very near the Savannah GA supercharger and to instead go and supercharge once everyone was checked into their rooms. My car is a 2016 Model S with free supercharging and autopilot 2.0 hardware. My supercharging stops were: - Lake City FL - Tifton GA - Macon GA - *(destination charging overnight)* - Asheville NC - *(charging at final destination on 120V AC)* - Columbia NC - Savannah GA - Kingsland GA - Ocala FL I set up a personal server to collect all possible data from the car (via the undocumented owners API) at the following intervals: - Every minute when driving or supercharging - Every 5 minutes when charging on AC - Every 30 minutes when parked unplugged or charging complete # Charging I initially thought that with the lack of refueling stops and rest area stops that time added to the trip by charging would be roughly equivalent to time saved. I was wrong about this. My family traditionally packs sandwich lunches and eats them in the parking lot of rest areas so that we can get back on the road as quickly as possible. While the supercharging stops were not an unwelcome change of pace they did add noticeable time to the trip. I also initially thought that all superchargers are crazy fast and provide a large amount of relatively constant power. This was also incorrect. My average charging energy for each stop was: - Lake City: 65 kW (29% to 73% SOC 32 minutes) - Tifton: 69 kW (23% to 76% 36 minutes) - Macon: 48 kW (32% to 62% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 32 kW (21% to 41% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 78 kW (41% to 50% 5 minutes) - Asheville: 43 kW (51% to 86% 36 minutes) - Columbia: 50 kW (21% to 88% 61 minutes) - Savannah: 68 kW (15% to 85% 47 minutes) - Kingsland: 62 kW (37% to 89% 38 minutes) - Ocala: 51 kW (31% to 94% 56 minutes) Asheville is listed 3 times because I did some experimentation there. After everyone got out of the car I turned on the A C with the mobile app in order to keep the car cool and to avoid snacks from melting. At this point the car was charging at a relatively high rate (around 90 kW) Once everyone got food I noticed on the app that the car was charging extremely slowly. I went out and moved it to a different supercharger stall where the same thing happened: it initially charged very quickly and then dropped down. I stopped and restarted charging from the app and this time kept A C off. I have made a graph of the Savannah supercharging session [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6b843t i_will_be_concluding_my_first_longdistance_road ). I ve also made a graph of the Ocala supercharging session [here](https: mckay.media MU29i.png). I charged around 332.07 kWh at superchargers during this trip. If I didn t have free supercharging this would have eaten a considerable portion of my free annual supercharging credits (400 kWh). The built-in trip planner seems to aim for a 15% buffer at your destination. I typically stayed at the supercharger for around as long as it said I needed to then it estimated 15% remaining charge at the next supercharger. That estimated charge went up as I drove (maybe I drove more conservatively than it expected). In terms of destination charging I ve found that it seems to be better to look for hotels near superchargers than for hotels which have destination chargers. For one those hotels that have destination chargers tend to be much more expensive (at least in this area). I was also fortunate enough to not have to compete with another Tesla owner for the charger it could have been very frustrating if that were the case. Several of the superchargers I stopped at were located near hotels (the Columbia charger is literally in the parking lot of a Hilton). Stopping near a supercharger also has the added benefit of giving you a car. When I pulled into the hotel on the way to Mountain City I noticed that the Tesla charger was open so I snagged it as quickly as possible. I was then left at the mercy of the hotel shuttle to get around since I didn t want to give up the charger and risk losing it. # Driving Autopilot handled like a dream. Maybe a dozen or so times in the entire 1 556 mile trip did I have to manually take over and that was usually around construction zones where the lines on the road were all over the place or when someone started to drift into my lane. I m very very impressed with how well the Autopilot 2.0 system handled on the 17.17.4 software. The car s estimates for battery range were very accurate. I found that using TACC to maintain around 75 mph on the (flat) interstate hovered around the ideal 300 Wh mile. I had the A C set to between 67-69 degrees Fahrenheit throughout the trip. Here are the discrepancies between the car s rated range (the range displayed on the instrument cluster) and the actual distance traveled as checked at each charging station: Lake City Supercharger Charging duration: 32 minutes Consumed range: 184.65 Distance traveled: 170.59 Lost miles: 14.06 Tifton Supercharger Charging duration: 36 minutes Consumed range: 130.48 Distance traveled: 106.59 Lost miles: 23.89 Macon Supercharger Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 117.21 Distance traveled: 103.81 Lost miles: 13.4 DoubleTree Roswell Charging duration: 506 minutes Consumed range: 116.47 Distance traveled: 109.58 Lost miles: 6.89 Asheville Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 206.68 Distance traveled: 196.4 Lost miles: 10.28 Boone House Charging duration: 2114 minutes Consumed range: 122 Distance traveled: 109.21 Lost miles: 12.79 Columbia Supercharger Charging duration: 61 minutes Consumed range: 172.53 Distance traveled: 186.41 Lost miles: -13.88 Savannah Supercharger Charging duration: 47 minutes Consumed range: 187.27 Distance traveled: 170.75 Lost miles: 16.52 Kingsland Supercharger Charging duration: 38 minutes Consumed range: 124.24 Distance traveled: 105.31 Lost miles: 18.93 Ocala Supercharger Charging duration: 56 minutes Consumed range: 148.56 Distance traveled: 139.82 Lost miles: 8.74 The Columbia supercharger has negative loss because there was a lot of downhill driving from the Boone house to the supercharger. It s curious that there wasn t more loss from Asheville to the Boone house in my opinion. One small gripe: the GPS-based speed limit detection worked relatively poorly on the mountain roads and sometimes on US highways (e.g. US-301). By that I mean that it just didn t detect speed limit changes somewhat frequently. # Socialization The superchargers usually weren t very full (I believe 2 other Teslas in addition to my own was the record). When there were Teslas charging either they were empty or the occupants had sealed themselves inside and didn t seem to be in a talkative mood. I noticed that these folks usually appeared to be somewhat elderly. The only Tesla owner I was able to converse with was a Model X owner at the Columbia supercharger who informed me that he lived in the area and was only at the supercharger for free power. He let me take a look around since I d never seen a Model X up close before and demonstrated modelxmas. I think it might be neat if there were a Tesla social network in which you fill in a brief profile detailing some basic information about you your interests etc. Then when you start supercharging it could show you information about others who have filled out profiles who are also charging at your station. This might help to break the ice a little bit. Just a silly little idea. :) I also didn t see *any* Teslas on the trip that weren t at a supercharger or a standard charging station besides one that was being hauled on a car-carrier truck along with vehicles from other makes. # Supercharger Amenities Most of the superchargers had decent amenities albeit some required a bit of a walk (e.g. Columbia s closest food was a short hike away). The Macon supercharger seemed to be in a not-great area of town and since I arrived past 5 PM the nearby African-American museum and welcome center were both closed. The Ocala supercharger is located in the parking lot of a half-completed shopping complex and the closest food that wasn t a sit-down restaurant was about a 10-minute walk through the shopping complex. The Asheville supercharger was in the parking lot of an outlet mall which I liked (there need to be more of those). # The End I hope this was informative. If anyone has any questions I m glad to provide whatever answers I can! | This is the best post on this sub in a long time. | What were ambient temps like? The slower-with-AC-on makes sense if it was hot as the car needs that cooling capacity to dissipate heat generated in the battery during fast charging. Diverting that cooling for other uses means slower charging. Edit: A big concern of mine is that had you not had the stall to yourself you d have been splitting the available current with your neighbor making some fairly slow charges even slower. Tough to think this won t be the case when the Model 3 becomes common. Edit2: You also have my well-deserved upvote great post. | 41 | 5 | 1,046 |
6bfhar | 205 | Finished my first road trip in my Model S. Here are some thoughts and experiences. I just finished my first long-distance road trip in my Tesla and I figured I would share my thoughts experiences and observations. This might be useful to owners who haven t had the opportunity to take a road trip (yet) or who haven t collected as much data as I have. It might also be useful to enthusiasts and potential future owners. My trip took me from my home in Tampa FL (with one passenger) up to Mountain City GA to pick up two more passengers and finally to my destination in Boone NC. On the return trip I went straight from Boone to Tampa. Both directions of the trip were broken into two days of driving. I stopped in Roswell (just north of Atlanta) on the way to Mountain City at a hotel which featured a Tesla destination charger. I couldn t find any reasonably-priced hotels with destination chargers for the return trip so I instead opted to stay at a (much) cheaper hotel very near the Savannah GA supercharger and to instead go and supercharge once everyone was checked into their rooms. My car is a 2016 Model S with free supercharging and autopilot 2.0 hardware. My supercharging stops were: - Lake City FL - Tifton GA - Macon GA - *(destination charging overnight)* - Asheville NC - *(charging at final destination on 120V AC)* - Columbia NC - Savannah GA - Kingsland GA - Ocala FL I set up a personal server to collect all possible data from the car (via the undocumented owners API) at the following intervals: - Every minute when driving or supercharging - Every 5 minutes when charging on AC - Every 30 minutes when parked unplugged or charging complete # Charging I initially thought that with the lack of refueling stops and rest area stops that time added to the trip by charging would be roughly equivalent to time saved. I was wrong about this. My family traditionally packs sandwich lunches and eats them in the parking lot of rest areas so that we can get back on the road as quickly as possible. While the supercharging stops were not an unwelcome change of pace they did add noticeable time to the trip. I also initially thought that all superchargers are crazy fast and provide a large amount of relatively constant power. This was also incorrect. My average charging energy for each stop was: - Lake City: 65 kW (29% to 73% SOC 32 minutes) - Tifton: 69 kW (23% to 76% 36 minutes) - Macon: 48 kW (32% to 62% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 32 kW (21% to 41% 30 minutes) - Asheville: 78 kW (41% to 50% 5 minutes) - Asheville: 43 kW (51% to 86% 36 minutes) - Columbia: 50 kW (21% to 88% 61 minutes) - Savannah: 68 kW (15% to 85% 47 minutes) - Kingsland: 62 kW (37% to 89% 38 minutes) - Ocala: 51 kW (31% to 94% 56 minutes) Asheville is listed 3 times because I did some experimentation there. After everyone got out of the car I turned on the A C with the mobile app in order to keep the car cool and to avoid snacks from melting. At this point the car was charging at a relatively high rate (around 90 kW) Once everyone got food I noticed on the app that the car was charging extremely slowly. I went out and moved it to a different supercharger stall where the same thing happened: it initially charged very quickly and then dropped down. I stopped and restarted charging from the app and this time kept A C off. I have made a graph of the Savannah supercharging session [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6b843t i_will_be_concluding_my_first_longdistance_road ). I ve also made a graph of the Ocala supercharging session [here](https: mckay.media MU29i.png). I charged around 332.07 kWh at superchargers during this trip. If I didn t have free supercharging this would have eaten a considerable portion of my free annual supercharging credits (400 kWh). The built-in trip planner seems to aim for a 15% buffer at your destination. I typically stayed at the supercharger for around as long as it said I needed to then it estimated 15% remaining charge at the next supercharger. That estimated charge went up as I drove (maybe I drove more conservatively than it expected). In terms of destination charging I ve found that it seems to be better to look for hotels near superchargers than for hotels which have destination chargers. For one those hotels that have destination chargers tend to be much more expensive (at least in this area). I was also fortunate enough to not have to compete with another Tesla owner for the charger it could have been very frustrating if that were the case. Several of the superchargers I stopped at were located near hotels (the Columbia charger is literally in the parking lot of a Hilton). Stopping near a supercharger also has the added benefit of giving you a car. When I pulled into the hotel on the way to Mountain City I noticed that the Tesla charger was open so I snagged it as quickly as possible. I was then left at the mercy of the hotel shuttle to get around since I didn t want to give up the charger and risk losing it. # Driving Autopilot handled like a dream. Maybe a dozen or so times in the entire 1 556 mile trip did I have to manually take over and that was usually around construction zones where the lines on the road were all over the place or when someone started to drift into my lane. I m very very impressed with how well the Autopilot 2.0 system handled on the 17.17.4 software. The car s estimates for battery range were very accurate. I found that using TACC to maintain around 75 mph on the (flat) interstate hovered around the ideal 300 Wh mile. I had the A C set to between 67-69 degrees Fahrenheit throughout the trip. Here are the discrepancies between the car s rated range (the range displayed on the instrument cluster) and the actual distance traveled as checked at each charging station: Lake City Supercharger Charging duration: 32 minutes Consumed range: 184.65 Distance traveled: 170.59 Lost miles: 14.06 Tifton Supercharger Charging duration: 36 minutes Consumed range: 130.48 Distance traveled: 106.59 Lost miles: 23.89 Macon Supercharger Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 117.21 Distance traveled: 103.81 Lost miles: 13.4 DoubleTree Roswell Charging duration: 506 minutes Consumed range: 116.47 Distance traveled: 109.58 Lost miles: 6.89 Asheville Charging duration: 30 minutes Consumed range: 206.68 Distance traveled: 196.4 Lost miles: 10.28 Boone House Charging duration: 2114 minutes Consumed range: 122 Distance traveled: 109.21 Lost miles: 12.79 Columbia Supercharger Charging duration: 61 minutes Consumed range: 172.53 Distance traveled: 186.41 Lost miles: -13.88 Savannah Supercharger Charging duration: 47 minutes Consumed range: 187.27 Distance traveled: 170.75 Lost miles: 16.52 Kingsland Supercharger Charging duration: 38 minutes Consumed range: 124.24 Distance traveled: 105.31 Lost miles: 18.93 Ocala Supercharger Charging duration: 56 minutes Consumed range: 148.56 Distance traveled: 139.82 Lost miles: 8.74 The Columbia supercharger has negative loss because there was a lot of downhill driving from the Boone house to the supercharger. It s curious that there wasn t more loss from Asheville to the Boone house in my opinion. One small gripe: the GPS-based speed limit detection worked relatively poorly on the mountain roads and sometimes on US highways (e.g. US-301). By that I mean that it just didn t detect speed limit changes somewhat frequently. # Socialization The superchargers usually weren t very full (I believe 2 other Teslas in addition to my own was the record). When there were Teslas charging either they were empty or the occupants had sealed themselves inside and didn t seem to be in a talkative mood. I noticed that these folks usually appeared to be somewhat elderly. The only Tesla owner I was able to converse with was a Model X owner at the Columbia supercharger who informed me that he lived in the area and was only at the supercharger for free power. He let me take a look around since I d never seen a Model X up close before and demonstrated modelxmas. I think it might be neat if there were a Tesla social network in which you fill in a brief profile detailing some basic information about you your interests etc. Then when you start supercharging it could show you information about others who have filled out profiles who are also charging at your station. This might help to break the ice a little bit. Just a silly little idea. :) I also didn t see *any* Teslas on the trip that weren t at a supercharger or a standard charging station besides one that was being hauled on a car-carrier truck along with vehicles from other makes. # Supercharger Amenities Most of the superchargers had decent amenities albeit some required a bit of a walk (e.g. Columbia s closest food was a short hike away). The Macon supercharger seemed to be in a not-great area of town and since I arrived past 5 PM the nearby African-American museum and welcome center were both closed. The Ocala supercharger is located in the parking lot of a half-completed shopping complex and the closest food that wasn t a sit-down restaurant was about a 10-minute walk through the shopping complex. The Asheville supercharger was in the parking lot of an outlet mall which I liked (there need to be more of those). # The End I hope this was informative. If anyone has any questions I m glad to provide whatever answers I can! | This is the best post on this sub in a long time. | This is a fantastic trip report! > I set up a personal server to collect all possible data from the car (via the undocumented owners API) Can you share more details on how you did this? I d love to be able to record my supercharging sessions as you have. One minor nitpick: I don t think the miles hour is that useful of a data point (at least as reported in the app and touchscreen) because it is the average over the session not an instantaneous value. > Socialization I like your idea but the best conversations I ve had at superchargers have been with non Tesla owners. Most are very excited to see one and learn about it. I ve even let random strangers sit in my car. Thanks for all the detail. Very interesting. | 41 | 7 | 1,047 |
6bzm2u | 195 | Model 3 @ VIP event June 2-3 confirmed to be the alpha car from reveal event Just thought I would pass along secondary confirmation I received from Tesla that the Model 3 private viewing at the VIP event June 2-3 will be one of the alpha prototypes shown at the reveal event last year. Most likely the silver one. From Tesla headquarters verbatim: *the Model 3 on-site will be the same show car from the Model 3 Unveil last year – not a recent production candidate* Elon still insisting on keeping that powder dry I guess... | The final reveal is in July people. Why would they reveal the final car a month in advance to a bunch of people that are probably ready and willing to leak any and all info they can glean? Not surprised one bit that they are only showing the alpha. This is basically just a thank you party for people that referred other Tesla buyers. | I wonder if Elon s going to invite me to the event. | 34 | 5 | 1,048 |
6bzm2u | 195 | Model 3 @ VIP event June 2-3 confirmed to be the alpha car from reveal event Just thought I would pass along secondary confirmation I received from Tesla that the Model 3 private viewing at the VIP event June 2-3 will be one of the alpha prototypes shown at the reveal event last year. Most likely the silver one. From Tesla headquarters verbatim: *the Model 3 on-site will be the same show car from the Model 3 Unveil last year – not a recent production candidate* Elon still insisting on keeping that powder dry I guess... | 8 weeks until production. Can t configure the car. Can t see options or pricing. And can t even see one. | I wonder if Elon s going to invite me to the event. | 33 | 5 | 1,049 |
6bzm2u | 195 | Model 3 @ VIP event June 2-3 confirmed to be the alpha car from reveal event Just thought I would pass along secondary confirmation I received from Tesla that the Model 3 private viewing at the VIP event June 2-3 will be one of the alpha prototypes shown at the reveal event last year. Most likely the silver one. From Tesla headquarters verbatim: *the Model 3 on-site will be the same show car from the Model 3 Unveil last year – not a recent production candidate* Elon still insisting on keeping that powder dry I guess... | The final reveal is in July people. Why would they reveal the final car a month in advance to a bunch of people that are probably ready and willing to leak any and all info they can glean? Not surprised one bit that they are only showing the alpha. This is basically just a thank you party for people that referred other Tesla buyers. | This is disappointing as people are flying in from all over the world to go to this. | 34 | 6 | 1,050 |
6c6qr8 | 105 | Free supercharging for all buyers this qiarter I was just told by our salesperson that as of 2pm central all Q2 buyers (through June 30 existing buyers grandfathered from this quarter) are getting free lifetime supercharging. Anyone else hear this? My guess is that means it will remain standard as a perk above the model 3. | I have a 100D with paid supercharging.. Around 1 hour ago the paid supercharging DISAPPEARED from my Tesla account... Ready for an announcement! | No thanks. I ve got my own charger at home and it s super. | 41 | 2 | 1,051 |
6c6qr8 | 105 | Free supercharging for all buyers this qiarter I was just told by our salesperson that as of 2pm central all Q2 buyers (through June 30 existing buyers grandfathered from this quarter) are getting free lifetime supercharging. Anyone else hear this? My guess is that means it will remain standard as a perk above the model 3. | I have a 100D with paid supercharging.. Around 1 hour ago the paid supercharging DISAPPEARED from my Tesla account... Ready for an announcement! | Yes. Just talked to a Tesla Rep that told me the same. Said press release today. | 41 | 2 | 1,052 |
6c6qr8 | 105 | Free supercharging for all buyers this qiarter I was just told by our salesperson that as of 2pm central all Q2 buyers (through June 30 existing buyers grandfathered from this quarter) are getting free lifetime supercharging. Anyone else hear this? My guess is that means it will remain standard as a perk above the model 3. | I have a 100D with paid supercharging.. Around 1 hour ago the paid supercharging DISAPPEARED from my Tesla account... Ready for an announcement! | Yikes does this mean all cars will get unlimited supercharging up to this point? Q1 orders are going to be upset at this special . Edit: yay! Elon does love us! | 41 | 5 | 1,053 |
6c9vox | 148 | 3 Res Holder to S 75D Convert Cheaper than I Thought First Impressions Thought I d share my first impressions since I think my story is somewhat relatable to a few on this sub. Hope it helps someone on the fence about getting an S. **Long Story – Short Hand Version (feel free to skip to impressions):** Insufferable Tesla Fan Since 2005 Planned to buy Model 3. Camped out ~4am on reservation day at store. Seemed like right size price. Expected to spend $60k for 75D or P75D Model 3 financed over 60 months. $800 month planned. Got used Volt May 2016 as a holdover till the 3 when my last lease expired. Great choice as holdover – highly recommend. Had an opportunity to drive an S for my 3rd time in March. Realized how much I really loved the S and not just because it s a Tesla. I like the way it drives. I like the size. Most importantly I ended up being really surprised – I could afford a recent AP1 CPO. It came out to $800 month for 72 months. Was still struggling with the decision but on my birthday a Dark Blue 85 AP1 w gray interior showed up on CPO so I bought it. 45 day delivery window – being prepped at Chicago CPO processing center then shipped to FL. Fast forward a bit and they lowered the price of new 75D which is the cheapest new version I d consider (need the range for emergency drives from Miami to Orlando). Now new was only $7500 more after all things considered (taking in to account tax incentive) than the CPO. So I converted to new and here I am (thanks to those who commented on that thread to help me decide). My payments are ~$830 month for 72. Needed a decent down payment for that but no more than I was expecting for the 3. That 1.49% apr helped a bit too. But it ended up being surprisingly close to what I expected to budget for the 3. **First Impressions**: The S has been fantastic. I m 1200 miles in and no issues on delivery. I took a literal 100+ point checklist and clipboard with me. Two jobs ago I was new model launch sheetmetal quality manufacturing for a major manuf and I was… satisfied. I ll say the exterior quality was at par with competition. Nothing bad enough for me to complain about it or expect functional issues down the road. The A C can have a surprisingly loud hum when first turning on if particularly hot outside but I ll wait till my first tire rotation to ask the service center about it. Might be working as intended - not that bad. Transitioning from the Volt to the Tesla has been an incredible experience. Of course it is nice to have a car with power again. Though it doesn t feel as fast as it is since there is so little drama. But the 75D is plenty fast. I have less P100D envy than I expected. I m glad the Volt taught me what 40 miles really feels like. Whenever I start to get a little range anxiety because I *only* have 80 miles left I remind myself that s 2 Volts and my worries go away. The Volt experience was plugging in at every opportunity. Now I drive by public chargers because there are better spots or I just don t need to bother plugging in. The range of the 75D is so much excess for any local driving situation. Just don t think about it anymore. People always ask me where to find chargers when I show them the car and my answer is always “at home”. Don t need to plug in anywhere else. But I do have a supercharger right next to my office if I ever need to top off before a long drive. Autopilot is nothing short of life changing. I am more willing to go places and do things further away than I was before. I ve visited friends that are an hour away and stayed out a bit later at night than I would have without the AP. I m still paying attention and not using my phone but the reduction in stress and energy to drive with AP is incredible. I m on track to drive double the number of miles per year than any car I ve owned before. But more surprising to me is how happy I am I went with AP2. I know AP1 is much more refined right now but having used autopilot on highways for ~800+ miles I m more excited than I expected I would be about the potential of AP2. I honestly think I would have been kicking myself for getting an AP1 CPO at this point. Brake hold is something I didn t expect to love as much as I do. I expected to get true 1 pedal driving with the Tesla but that seems to have been removed. It gets down to ~5 mph and you brake the rest of the way. However this experience mixed in with brake hold when you come to a stop is such a nice UI. I wouldn t want it any other way at this point. Nav is amazingly beautiful well integrated and very easy to use – but the directions kinda suck. The phone dock is great and converting it to USB C wasn t that tough. Interior storage within driver reach is so much better than I thought it would be – center console and under screen storage seem to swallow anything I throw at it. The smaller frunk does not matter nearly as much as I expected – threw an inflatable bed and pillow and sheets in there along with a set of window shades for an unexpected camp out and I haven t opened it since (except to show people that it has a frunk). Glass roof is stunning and I don t think I d take the sunroof even if it were free. Summon is the best way to freak out little kids. Charger is harder to plug in than I expected – requires a good shove. tl dr – Model S for 72 mo ended up being similar $$ mo compared to my planned Model 3 for 60 mo. Highly recommend the switch if you are in the same boat as I was. Let me know if you have any specific questions about Volt vs Tesla living or specific S 75D stuff. And pm if looking for referral codes. I just need 1 so my nephew can get his little Tesla. | It s funny how your mind will play with numbers to justify something you want. If you put the same amount down 30k on your original 3 estimated price of 60k you would have had a 500 dollar payment not 800. You are now paying 996 (converted from 72 to 60 months) which is almost double. It s not cheaper it s more of the I thought part that s off. | Very interesting! That excites me. I have a leased Volt as well since August 2014 expiring this November. I have a model 3 reservation since day one (30 min before the reveal event). I guess I can decide what to do by then. Thanks for your story! | 44 | 2 | 1,054 |
6c9vox | 148 | 3 Res Holder to S 75D Convert Cheaper than I Thought First Impressions Thought I d share my first impressions since I think my story is somewhat relatable to a few on this sub. Hope it helps someone on the fence about getting an S. **Long Story – Short Hand Version (feel free to skip to impressions):** Insufferable Tesla Fan Since 2005 Planned to buy Model 3. Camped out ~4am on reservation day at store. Seemed like right size price. Expected to spend $60k for 75D or P75D Model 3 financed over 60 months. $800 month planned. Got used Volt May 2016 as a holdover till the 3 when my last lease expired. Great choice as holdover – highly recommend. Had an opportunity to drive an S for my 3rd time in March. Realized how much I really loved the S and not just because it s a Tesla. I like the way it drives. I like the size. Most importantly I ended up being really surprised – I could afford a recent AP1 CPO. It came out to $800 month for 72 months. Was still struggling with the decision but on my birthday a Dark Blue 85 AP1 w gray interior showed up on CPO so I bought it. 45 day delivery window – being prepped at Chicago CPO processing center then shipped to FL. Fast forward a bit and they lowered the price of new 75D which is the cheapest new version I d consider (need the range for emergency drives from Miami to Orlando). Now new was only $7500 more after all things considered (taking in to account tax incentive) than the CPO. So I converted to new and here I am (thanks to those who commented on that thread to help me decide). My payments are ~$830 month for 72. Needed a decent down payment for that but no more than I was expecting for the 3. That 1.49% apr helped a bit too. But it ended up being surprisingly close to what I expected to budget for the 3. **First Impressions**: The S has been fantastic. I m 1200 miles in and no issues on delivery. I took a literal 100+ point checklist and clipboard with me. Two jobs ago I was new model launch sheetmetal quality manufacturing for a major manuf and I was… satisfied. I ll say the exterior quality was at par with competition. Nothing bad enough for me to complain about it or expect functional issues down the road. The A C can have a surprisingly loud hum when first turning on if particularly hot outside but I ll wait till my first tire rotation to ask the service center about it. Might be working as intended - not that bad. Transitioning from the Volt to the Tesla has been an incredible experience. Of course it is nice to have a car with power again. Though it doesn t feel as fast as it is since there is so little drama. But the 75D is plenty fast. I have less P100D envy than I expected. I m glad the Volt taught me what 40 miles really feels like. Whenever I start to get a little range anxiety because I *only* have 80 miles left I remind myself that s 2 Volts and my worries go away. The Volt experience was plugging in at every opportunity. Now I drive by public chargers because there are better spots or I just don t need to bother plugging in. The range of the 75D is so much excess for any local driving situation. Just don t think about it anymore. People always ask me where to find chargers when I show them the car and my answer is always “at home”. Don t need to plug in anywhere else. But I do have a supercharger right next to my office if I ever need to top off before a long drive. Autopilot is nothing short of life changing. I am more willing to go places and do things further away than I was before. I ve visited friends that are an hour away and stayed out a bit later at night than I would have without the AP. I m still paying attention and not using my phone but the reduction in stress and energy to drive with AP is incredible. I m on track to drive double the number of miles per year than any car I ve owned before. But more surprising to me is how happy I am I went with AP2. I know AP1 is much more refined right now but having used autopilot on highways for ~800+ miles I m more excited than I expected I would be about the potential of AP2. I honestly think I would have been kicking myself for getting an AP1 CPO at this point. Brake hold is something I didn t expect to love as much as I do. I expected to get true 1 pedal driving with the Tesla but that seems to have been removed. It gets down to ~5 mph and you brake the rest of the way. However this experience mixed in with brake hold when you come to a stop is such a nice UI. I wouldn t want it any other way at this point. Nav is amazingly beautiful well integrated and very easy to use – but the directions kinda suck. The phone dock is great and converting it to USB C wasn t that tough. Interior storage within driver reach is so much better than I thought it would be – center console and under screen storage seem to swallow anything I throw at it. The smaller frunk does not matter nearly as much as I expected – threw an inflatable bed and pillow and sheets in there along with a set of window shades for an unexpected camp out and I haven t opened it since (except to show people that it has a frunk). Glass roof is stunning and I don t think I d take the sunroof even if it were free. Summon is the best way to freak out little kids. Charger is harder to plug in than I expected – requires a good shove. tl dr – Model S for 72 mo ended up being similar $$ mo compared to my planned Model 3 for 60 mo. Highly recommend the switch if you are in the same boat as I was. Let me know if you have any specific questions about Volt vs Tesla living or specific S 75D stuff. And pm if looking for referral codes. I just need 1 so my nephew can get his little Tesla. | It s funny how your mind will play with numbers to justify something you want. If you put the same amount down 30k on your original 3 estimated price of 60k you would have had a 500 dollar payment not 800. You are now paying 996 (converted from 72 to 60 months) which is almost double. It s not cheaper it s more of the I thought part that s off. | I am in the same position currently. I m actually doing an extended test drive this weekend. However I ve told myself I will not bite the bullet until the pricing for options are released for the 3. I need to do a side by side comparison. However the free supercharger codes I heard about is a bit tempting. The other issue will be that my wife likes smaller cars she drives a Mazda 3 and I like larger cars I drive a Saab 9-5 wagon. To further compound the issue is my car has a tow package to tow a small camper and it sounds like the 3 will have a tow package where as the S does not. So it s not like I can get the S and replace my car with it. So there are a few sticking points that need to be discussed and figured out. Based on these issues when I went in for my first S test drive I was 95% sure I was getting the 3. Now I m about 80% sure on the 3 but the needle is moving for sure. Thankfully the local store just sold their S demo and didn t have another to spare so I ll be getting an X of which there is a 0% chance of fitting into my plans. So I doubt I ll be looking to buy one Monday. Works out well as the extended drive is really to try a longer day trip to NH which is about 220 miles round trip. This is to set the range anxiety fears to bed. So S X isn t a huge difference for this test drive | 44 | 2 | 1,055 |
6c9vox | 148 | 3 Res Holder to S 75D Convert Cheaper than I Thought First Impressions Thought I d share my first impressions since I think my story is somewhat relatable to a few on this sub. Hope it helps someone on the fence about getting an S. **Long Story – Short Hand Version (feel free to skip to impressions):** Insufferable Tesla Fan Since 2005 Planned to buy Model 3. Camped out ~4am on reservation day at store. Seemed like right size price. Expected to spend $60k for 75D or P75D Model 3 financed over 60 months. $800 month planned. Got used Volt May 2016 as a holdover till the 3 when my last lease expired. Great choice as holdover – highly recommend. Had an opportunity to drive an S for my 3rd time in March. Realized how much I really loved the S and not just because it s a Tesla. I like the way it drives. I like the size. Most importantly I ended up being really surprised – I could afford a recent AP1 CPO. It came out to $800 month for 72 months. Was still struggling with the decision but on my birthday a Dark Blue 85 AP1 w gray interior showed up on CPO so I bought it. 45 day delivery window – being prepped at Chicago CPO processing center then shipped to FL. Fast forward a bit and they lowered the price of new 75D which is the cheapest new version I d consider (need the range for emergency drives from Miami to Orlando). Now new was only $7500 more after all things considered (taking in to account tax incentive) than the CPO. So I converted to new and here I am (thanks to those who commented on that thread to help me decide). My payments are ~$830 month for 72. Needed a decent down payment for that but no more than I was expecting for the 3. That 1.49% apr helped a bit too. But it ended up being surprisingly close to what I expected to budget for the 3. **First Impressions**: The S has been fantastic. I m 1200 miles in and no issues on delivery. I took a literal 100+ point checklist and clipboard with me. Two jobs ago I was new model launch sheetmetal quality manufacturing for a major manuf and I was… satisfied. I ll say the exterior quality was at par with competition. Nothing bad enough for me to complain about it or expect functional issues down the road. The A C can have a surprisingly loud hum when first turning on if particularly hot outside but I ll wait till my first tire rotation to ask the service center about it. Might be working as intended - not that bad. Transitioning from the Volt to the Tesla has been an incredible experience. Of course it is nice to have a car with power again. Though it doesn t feel as fast as it is since there is so little drama. But the 75D is plenty fast. I have less P100D envy than I expected. I m glad the Volt taught me what 40 miles really feels like. Whenever I start to get a little range anxiety because I *only* have 80 miles left I remind myself that s 2 Volts and my worries go away. The Volt experience was plugging in at every opportunity. Now I drive by public chargers because there are better spots or I just don t need to bother plugging in. The range of the 75D is so much excess for any local driving situation. Just don t think about it anymore. People always ask me where to find chargers when I show them the car and my answer is always “at home”. Don t need to plug in anywhere else. But I do have a supercharger right next to my office if I ever need to top off before a long drive. Autopilot is nothing short of life changing. I am more willing to go places and do things further away than I was before. I ve visited friends that are an hour away and stayed out a bit later at night than I would have without the AP. I m still paying attention and not using my phone but the reduction in stress and energy to drive with AP is incredible. I m on track to drive double the number of miles per year than any car I ve owned before. But more surprising to me is how happy I am I went with AP2. I know AP1 is much more refined right now but having used autopilot on highways for ~800+ miles I m more excited than I expected I would be about the potential of AP2. I honestly think I would have been kicking myself for getting an AP1 CPO at this point. Brake hold is something I didn t expect to love as much as I do. I expected to get true 1 pedal driving with the Tesla but that seems to have been removed. It gets down to ~5 mph and you brake the rest of the way. However this experience mixed in with brake hold when you come to a stop is such a nice UI. I wouldn t want it any other way at this point. Nav is amazingly beautiful well integrated and very easy to use – but the directions kinda suck. The phone dock is great and converting it to USB C wasn t that tough. Interior storage within driver reach is so much better than I thought it would be – center console and under screen storage seem to swallow anything I throw at it. The smaller frunk does not matter nearly as much as I expected – threw an inflatable bed and pillow and sheets in there along with a set of window shades for an unexpected camp out and I haven t opened it since (except to show people that it has a frunk). Glass roof is stunning and I don t think I d take the sunroof even if it were free. Summon is the best way to freak out little kids. Charger is harder to plug in than I expected – requires a good shove. tl dr – Model S for 72 mo ended up being similar $$ mo compared to my planned Model 3 for 60 mo. Highly recommend the switch if you are in the same boat as I was. Let me know if you have any specific questions about Volt vs Tesla living or specific S 75D stuff. And pm if looking for referral codes. I just need 1 so my nephew can get his little Tesla. | It s funny how your mind will play with numbers to justify something you want. If you put the same amount down 30k on your original 3 estimated price of 60k you would have had a 500 dollar payment not 800. You are now paying 996 (converted from 72 to 60 months) which is almost double. 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6cdliw | 107 | Whatever happened to the 100 days or money back Australian Powerpack build? Last thing I heard was that people were talking but not that any actually ground work had started | No deal has been made yet. Once it is they guarantee it will be operational in that period. | I d like to know too. You might have a better chance in r australia | 77 | 9 | 1,057 |
6cdliw | 107 | Whatever happened to the 100 days or money back Australian Powerpack build? Last thing I heard was that people were talking but not that any actually ground work had started | Word on the street is that despite the Prime Minister getting in on the Twitter publicity storm he was behind the scenes doing everything he could to stop the deal going ahead. Best person to ask would be Mike Cannon Brookes he will probably respond the Twitter. | I d like to know too. You might have a better chance in r australia | 58 | 9 | 1,058 |
6ckqo7 | 26 | Original Autopilot Maxed Out. Musk: HW1 doesn t have enough sensors and computing power. Elon just responded to my tweet asking if there will be improvements to HW1 as well. Looks like it s end of the line for the original Autopilot suite. https: twitter.com elonmusk status 866481163170349056 EDIT: A new comment and response from Musk a few moments ago (12:15am EST): @noradio In fairness HW2 is still playing catch-up so HW1 isn t being left behind until feature parity is achieved @elonmusk Exactly | Elon didn t say that the original Autopilot was maxed out. It might very well be but I wouldn t put words in his mouth. He was strictly referring to this particular software update. | This is what makes me feel so incredibly stupid. I ve had my car for just over 8 months and it already seems that I wont see any further updates (beyond a more usable web browser). I ve stayed quiet and tried to pretend it doesn t bug me but I cant fight the feeling that I timed the largest purchase of my life wrong... I took delivery September 30th 2016 and in October they released HW2. I bought a Tesla partially because it was the car that would get better with time. Now it seems that isnt the case. Coupled with the fact that Tesla cant seem to figure out where the Model S will fit in their business model- I am starting to feel a bit left out and under appreciated by Tesla. As much as Elon says the Model 3 wont be better than the Model S - It will be better than MY Model S (and MUCH cheaper). I know I am in the minority here but I thought I would share my frustrations. | 31 | 5 | 1,059 |
6cul40 | 46 | Tesla Service Loaners Anyone else had service lately? I had someone pick my car up today for it s first service and I got a gas-powered Infinity as a loaner. Does this happen to others? Hate to sound like a bitch but I m not too happy about doing my 84 mile round trip commute in this car. Especially in bumper-to-bumper DC beltway traffic. 🙄😑 | A couple of weeks ago I took in my P100D for its first round of minor warranty issues (got the car in Dec 2016 after selling my 2013 P85 to Tesla). They gave me a Tesla loaner - it was my old car! | The only Tesla loaners I ve gotten were pre-AP versions (~2014 models). Are people getting ones with AP1 or AP2? Location dependent maybe? | 61 | 2 | 1,060 |
6cul40 | 46 | Tesla Service Loaners Anyone else had service lately? I had someone pick my car up today for it s first service and I got a gas-powered Infinity as a loaner. Does this happen to others? Hate to sound like a bitch but I m not too happy about doing my 84 mile round trip commute in this car. Especially in bumper-to-bumper DC beltway traffic. 🙄😑 | A couple of weeks ago I took in my P100D for its first round of minor warranty issues (got the car in Dec 2016 after selling my 2013 P85 to Tesla). They gave me a Tesla loaner - it was my old car! | I haven t been offered any loaners yet at the new Springfield NJ SC. Had to Uber it. | 61 | 2 | 1,061 |
6cul40 | 46 | Tesla Service Loaners Anyone else had service lately? I had someone pick my car up today for it s first service and I got a gas-powered Infinity as a loaner. Does this happen to others? Hate to sound like a bitch but I m not too happy about doing my 84 mile round trip commute in this car. Especially in bumper-to-bumper DC beltway traffic. 🙄😑 | A couple of weeks ago I took in my P100D for its first round of minor warranty issues (got the car in Dec 2016 after selling my 2013 P85 to Tesla). They gave me a Tesla loaner - it was my old car! | Ask for a Tesla loaner when you schedule service. They should be able to provide but it may require waiting longer. Usually when I schedule service (with Tysons possibly the same as you) they give me the option of a closer date with a rental from Enterprise or a more distant date with a Tesla loaner. | 61 | 2 | 1,062 |
6cygwy | 111 | My Model S 75D Review. My surprising findings and complaints after waiting 7 years to own one. Lots of folks seem to have been picking up 75s and 75Ds the last week or two. Must be from the pricing change that Tesla made about a month ago. Been seeing a lot of reviews from new 75D owners and wanted to share my specific surprising findings and disappointments after a few hundred miles. I ve been wanting a Tesla vehicle ever since I heard of the roadster (back in 2010 I think). Was waiting for a Model 3 but I just couldn t stand waiting any more and the base model change to a 75kWh pack with included power lift gate enticed me. I found an inventory car with the somewhat rare color combo I liked and finally gave in. It s a silly human thing to do putting any real thought into naming a car. It s still a fun little thing to do so I named my car “Thunder Road” after the [spaceship](http: brandedinthe80s.com wp-content uploads 2016 07 explorers2.jpg) in the movie “[Explorers](http: www.clearplay.com MovieBattle images tt0089114-1.jpg)”. It s from a Bruce Springsteen song. Here are the specs for “Thunder Road”: - Model S 75D with Deep Blue Metallic paint - 19” Standard Slipstream wheels - Glass roof - Premium Package upgrade (premium next-gen seats) - White interior with Dark Ash wood decor - Center console - Black alcantara headliner - Enhanced Autopilot For reference here are the cars I ve had or driven recently that I m comparing my new Model S to: Rented: - Tesla Model S P85D with AP1 (rented twice on Turo) - Tesla Model S 60 with AP1 (rented once on Turo) Owned: - 2010 Ford Mustang V6 Convertible (auto most recent) - 2014 BMW i3 - 2013 BMW 335i (auto) - 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 (manual) - 2007 Mazda RX8 (manual) **COMPLAINTS:** **No speed-sensitive volume adjustment.** Most annoying part of the car. Every car that I ve had the last decade has had this feature. It s a *software feature* and it astonishes me that something so simple yet so annoying to be without is missing from an otherwise perfectly relaxing driving experience. The radio volume should automatically adjust to your speed getting louder as you get faster and quieter as you come to a stop. It s very annoying adjusting the volume *every time* I slow down or come to a stoplight and start going again. This should be a simple software update. Hell I could gather the volume change data and provide the ground work for the algorithm myself. I just might do that to grab Elon s attention. **Volume of navigation instructions are inaudible over music.** This is something I noticed the few times I rented Teslas on Turo and I always assumed it was some setting somewhere I wasn t seeing. Now that I have my own Model S I ve turned the navigation instruction volume all the way to 11 and I still can t hear it over the music while I m driving. It dips the volume of the music but not enough. I end up missing the instruction. I wish they could also set it to pause the playback each time there s an instruction like Apple Maps does when using an iPhone. EDIT: I m starting to think that I just listen to music and podcasts louder than most people. Though the way music and podcasts are mastered makes this completely subjective I usually am rocking out with the volume up around 9 or 10 with music. My beef with the way the stereo s mixing system is that when I m playing music loudly it should know to lower the media playback volume more than normal to compensate. I almost never have music down to a 3 or 4 unless I m at a stoplight AND I m not rocking out . I agree when I m listening to music or podcasts at a lower level then the volume of the navigation instructions are fine. When I m on the freeway going 80mph listening to a podcast at about a 7 or an 8 even with the Nav volume set to 11 I m often fighting to hear the nav instructions over the podcast dialogue. **Turning Radius** Man I really didn t realize how bad the turning radius is. I find myself having to do 3-point turns in parking lots all the time now. Maybe I m just not used to it yet having come from the SUPER nimble BMW i3. Would a 4-wheel steering upgrade on future Model Ss help in this regard? **Ambient lights too bright.** The “soft LED ambient interior lights” are not really so soft. If find them to be too bright at night and I wish there was a way to dim the ambient lighting separately from dimming the touchscreen and binnacle. It looks really cool it s just too bright. **The blind spots are a bit tricky.** The rearview mirror is rather useless at seeing out the back as many have said before. I agree with them. I haven t quite been able to tune my side mirrors correctly yet to peer into my blind spots AND provide a view of the approaching cars in the lanes on either side of me. I ve resorted to sticking those big bubble mirrors onto the tips of my side mirrors so we ll see how that goes. The “blindspot monitoring” is rather useless unfortunately. It s not very immediate or reliable. **The glass roof is actually too dark for my tastes.** This is really just a preference for me but I wish the tinting on the all-glass roof wasn t so dark. You can barely even tell it s see-through at all. Having come from enjoying a convertible I LIKE being bathed in sunlight while I drive around. I don t expect Tesla to do anything about this and I agree with their decision to make it dark considering how many people worry about the glass roof being too hot in the sun. See below for my thoughts on that. **Volume of music comes back after starting car.** Whatever volume the music was set to when I parked the car before I opened the door will come roaring back when I put the car into “gear” the next time I drive. Many cars I ve had reset the radio volume to the same low level every time I start the car. **Bassy ride.** There s a surprising amount of low-frequency rumble heard as I drive this around. I m imagining the large flat sections of the battery pack in the floor resonating creating low-frequency pressure waves. I m sure there s a cause some engineer could explain. After having the car for a few weeks I m already accustomed to it and don t notice it as much but still wish it wasn t there. **The frunk is really nice to have but it s surely not something I d want to access very often.** I m just not a fan of pressing on the hood at all even though it s the Tesla recommended method. The frunk IS perfect for my emergency road supplies and my aftermarket subwoofer amplifier. Stuff I like to carry around and I don t use that often if ever. I ve stuck all that in the frunk out of the way leaving the trunk wide open (for things like a subwoofer). One last consideration for those thinking of mounting an amplifier in there is that it s not air conditioned. If you were to instead mount your amps in the trunk your amps would be cooled in the interior like you d be. **The Traffic Aware Cruise Control currently (17.17.17) is not very smooth.** Elon himself has already described the current version of the Autopilot driving experience as “unpleasant” and I think he s right. More specifically when it comes to the TACC for me there s so many times when I m cruising on the freeway with nobody immediately in front of me and I can feel the car slightly lifting off and back on the throttle. It seems like the radar is picking up little bits of cars or objects far off in adjacent lanes and constantly momentarily reacting to them and starting to slow down only to realize they re false positives and continue back at the set cruise speed. The acceleration and “braking” is also a bit jerky as others have noted. I m comparing all of this to how well my BMW i3 s TACC worked which was better in some circumstances. One of them was during interchange ramps. The i3 would handle TACC really well on sharp freeway interchanges while the Model S lost track of the car in front of me since it was so far around the curve that it tried to launch me forward into the wall. It seemed like the i3 had it s TACC algorithm programmed so that the more the steering wheel is turned in a curve the car would proportionately slow down. However feelings about this and auto-steer are greatly affected by the knowledge and confidence that a software update could fix these issues at any time. It doesn t worry me because I know that it s only a matter of time until the autopilot team really nails the software perfectly. I m patiently waiting for the autopilot update in June July that s considered “smooth as silk”. **SURPRISING FINDINGS:** **The mystique of “Tesla” has faded for me within a week of ownership.** I m quite surprised by this. The excitement of finally having a Tesla vehicle after wanting one for over 7 years is already gone and is instead replaced by the simple enjoyment of the best car I ve ever driven. The hype and aura has gotten out of the way and the experience is just purely the enjoyment of a great vehicle. **Build quality and material quality have definitely improved.** As people have said the build quality and materials quality has always been an issue with Tesla. I ve driven an early P85D and a 60 from the same year and I ve noticed the overall quality has improved since then. Here are some ways: - During my delivery inspection checklist I walked around and inspected every inch of the car outside and in. Everything appears much better put together. Panel gaps are smaller and more even. While installing my dash cams I can feel how tightly the interior pieces are fit together. Everything looks clean and well made. While I m not comparing this to other high end automakers I m personally plenty satisfied after having driven the older Model Ss. - The interior is quieter. One of the first things I noticed when I rented the P85D for the first time was the road noise the brake noise and the motor noise. Especially having come from my BMW i3. The new car is vastly better for all those noises. The motor whine is still heard during heavy acceleration but it does not bother me. The road noise is much improved and I can t really hear the brakes like I did in that P85D. - The seats are better. Probably when they switched over to the next gen seats. More squishy soft and better bolstering. The white seats are much softer and more leather-like than I was expecting. I was expecting them to have a plastic-y feeling (since they re polyurethane). - The backup camera has improved. In the previous cars I thought the quality of the backup camera was just okay. My salesman said they upgraded to a 1080p backup camera at some point and its definitely noticed. Quite noticeable since its blown up and displayed on that giant touchscreen. - The new center console is better. The P85D I rented a few times had an older center console added to it and the doors and hinges in the new one just feel like they work better. - I ve only a few hundred miles on my car at this point but so far no creaks or rattles. I m sure there s some coming though. **The HVAC system is the best I ve ever had.** This is the first HVAC system in a car that I ve ever had where you really just set your temperature and forget about it. Set it to 72º it warms the car on a 65º day and cools the car with AC on an 85º day. I have yet to need to fiddle with the settings for fan speed temp or circulation. The “auto” setting just works works quickly and works nearly silently. Also I think the HEPA filtration system is really making for a delightful breathing experience on the freeways stuck in traffic around stinky diesels. **The coil spring suspension is actually really great.** I ve only ever driven Teslas with the air suspension and I was expecting the coil springs to be kind of shitty in comparison. So far this has been one of the smoothest riding cars I ve ever had. It just eats up bumps so much better than all of the other cars I ve had. There s a few specific bumps I drive over every day and normally I have to be gentle when going over them especially with some of the sportier cars I ve had. The S just encourages me to plow over them without even slowing down. It s fantastic. **I love the D.** I really wanted the D as this would be my first all-wheel drive car and I m glad I got it. There s specific street surfaces around town where past cars would struggle for traction when going over around or accelerating out of them. They d cut power to the wheels and I d be sad. Between the the dual motor setup the great suspension and the 19” wheels this car just grips and rolls right over that shit no problem. Gives supreme confidence in evasive maneuvers and sudden traffic-entering situations. **Acceleration.** The sweet spot for acceleration in the 75D is between 15mph and 60mph. It doesn t have that “snap” off the line like you get in the Insane and Ludicrous cars but once you get rolling for a second the 75D really pushes you back into the seat. I ve always said I like driving “spiritedly” from stoplights and around corners and electric vehicles allow me to do that without feeling like such a duchebag making all sorts of roaring engine noises and tire chirping. I can get the g-force feelings I like without looking like such a tool (or so I think!). **Headlights are great.** Despite the Model S not getting top marks for the headlights when having it s crash safety rated I find the LED headlights to be great. Nice and crisp and bright with a wide spread of light. Very easy to see my surroundings. I haven t used the auto high-beams yet. **The glass roof is not hot.** It needs to be said again. The glass roof is FINE in the sunlight. The tinting and IR UV ray blocking works fantastically and the air conditioning system does really well at keeping the interior cool. The difference can easily be felt by sitting inside one and moving your hand in and out of the sunlight in and out from underneath the glass roof. **Summon is pretty good.** I was pleasantly surprised how well summon works. Using the key fob and disabling the “hold button down during summon” it s fairly fast and easy to initiate summon and it works fairly well when moving over slight bumps in the ground. It gets a little more shy when I try to initiate summon with the Remote S app however. **Traffic on the map.** Previously when I d get into my car one of the first things I d do is pull out my phone and open Google maps to check the traffic along the route I d planned on taking. Now I get in the Model S and take a peek at the touchscreen. It s all there for me without having to do anything! **The stock stereo is acceptable.** I m an audiophile and I wasn t expecting good things from the standard stock stereo but I found it neither good nor bad. The only thing it really *needed* for me was a real subwoofer. The stereo was missing the “presence” that a little bit of 20hz-100hz would bring. Once I added an aftermarket sub to the system it sounds a lot more full and punchy without it needing to even be “loud” bass. | Just realized that 6 out of my 10 complaints are fixable via software. That gives me hope that sometime in a future update they can be fixed or improved. - No speed-sensitive volume adjustment for stereo. - Volume of navigation instructions are inaudible over music. - Ambient lights aren t separately dimmable. - Blind spot monitors are useless. - Volume of music should return to a lower pre-set level after starting car. - TACC and Autopilot | Would you consider the glass roof to at least be see through even if it is really tinted? Like if I wanted to read a road sign that was almost directly overhead could I still read it during the day? What about at night? | 36 | 5 | 1,063 |
6cz0hz | 738 | r TeslaMotors has reached 100k subscribers! I know it s not a perfect metric as we ve had a recent large uptick but everybody follows the same structure. We are now the largest vehicle manufacturer solar and energy distribution subreddit! Thanks for believeing in Tesla if you re here you care enough :) | I can t wait until we hit 110110 | WOW! That was fast from the 75k. | 48 | 12 | 1,064 |
6djead | 27 | With the Official Comparison update it seems Tesla has been on the defensive lately about the problem of differentiation (S vs 3) both in public and on earnings calls. Does anyone else think they might have a problem in sales of the Model 3 eroding into the Model S in late 2018? | I d be willing to bet that a decent number of Model S buyers have been stretching their budgets to get into a Tesla or they have the money but never would have considered a car in that price range until something revolutionary like the Model S came along. Current and future buyers that would have previously fallen into those groups are now holding off for the Model 3. Elon is worried that people think the Model 3 will be better than the S but I highly doubt that s the case among any real potential Model S buyers. If he really wants to stymie unrealistic expectations he should release the configurator so potential buyers have the information they need to decide which car they really want instead of holding them off all summer. | It would appear that they re already having a problem otherwise they wouldn t be doing all of this. The price jump is very large and I think in order to convince more people to order a Model S they re going to need to do another refresh. I d hope to see a revamped interior and possibly increased range with the new cells. | 42 | 15 | 1,065 |
6djhkr | 50 | Appeal to include HEPA filter in the Model 3 Don t let us down Tesla! [So many people](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6dfqmk model_s_and_model_3_official_comparison di2depg) myself included were disappointed not to see the renowned HEPA filter from the Model X S make it into the 3. For some of us it s just a matter of air quality especially when stuck behind an old lorry for hours in a traffic jam. For others it really does affect us physically. People such as myself get symptoms such as headaches and chest pain and that s just the short term effects! What could these fumes be doing to all of us in the long run? If it means we don t get the bioweapon defense mode (pressurized interior AFAIK) then at least give us a HEPA filter. Not all of us can afford the X S and the 3 was our only option for clean pure fresh air. Teslas have always been clean cars - let s make that happen on the inside not just the out! | Jesus they haven t even done the final reveal. Why don t we wait till then to start whining about what is or isn t there? | I hope* that by the time China gets a Gigafactory Tesla will have a solution for this for the Model 3. Will be a couple years to get to that point but it s gotta be coming. At least that s my wishful thinking. | 43 | 3 | 1,066 |
6doebq | 68 | Who will be getting the base Model 3? I ve seen a lot of people posting about how they won t be buying the Model 3 if it doesn t include (at least the option of) things like folding mirrors certain colours dual-motor etc. But are there any others like me that will simply be getting the base model with no extras? It looks like fantastic value for money as it is. | As someone who would never consider a $35 000 car besides a Tesla I ll definitely be getting a base model. The only extra I d pay for is Autopilot FSD when it comes out because I can only imagine how much better it would make my commute. | I ll likely be getting what is offered as base at release. I ll be souping it up with options god willing that they include heated seats autopilot and premium sound. | 76 | 3 | 1,067 |
6doebq | 68 | Who will be getting the base Model 3? I ve seen a lot of people posting about how they won t be buying the Model 3 if it doesn t include (at least the option of) things like folding mirrors certain colours dual-motor etc. But are there any others like me that will simply be getting the base model with no extras? It looks like fantastic value for money as it is. | As someone who would never consider a $35 000 car besides a Tesla I ll definitely be getting a base model. The only extra I d pay for is Autopilot FSD when it comes out because I can only imagine how much better it would make my commute. | I ll get autopilot but don t need any real hardware. I don t need a bigger battery but I ll do the math and assume larger battery lasts longer and see how the math shakes out. But I absolutely want the full tax credit (and state offers $3k also first come first serve) so whatever gets me the car soonest. | 76 | 3 | 1,068 |
6doebq | 68 | Who will be getting the base Model 3? I ve seen a lot of people posting about how they won t be buying the Model 3 if it doesn t include (at least the option of) things like folding mirrors certain colours dual-motor etc. But are there any others like me that will simply be getting the base model with no extras? It looks like fantastic value for money as it is. | As someone who would never consider a $35 000 car besides a Tesla I ll definitely be getting a base model. The only extra I d pay for is Autopilot FSD when it comes out because I can only imagine how much better it would make my commute. | I considered it for a long time. My problem is one that I discovered as a huge Audi fanatic I would initially love my base or near-base A4 for a few months then I d get disgruntled that I hadn t waited to pick up a higher performance model. Many months and paycheck would go into mods that I d be excited about initially but it never was enough until I said screw it & picked up a top-tier performance Audi (the RS 4). Given it was used and had been beaten to death before I had it but I never once got bitten by the modification bug with that car. I briefly considered a louder exhaust system but would quickly change my mind because the car felt so perfect as it came from the factory (well until the previous owner induced scored cylinder walls lunched the engine & I had to sell at a ridiculous loss). I m assuming this experience will transfer over to Tesla ownership as well while I know I d be stoked about a base Model 3 knowing that there s a performance model coming would keep me hesitant to pull the trigger. That s part of why I ve been considering a CPO Model S instead the P85 P85+ are looking more and more attractive despite their lack of AWD & Autopilot and I ve actually been seeing some P85Ds on EV-CPO lately in the high-$60k low-$70k range as well. The instant gratification part of me wants to jump on the cheapest P Model S I can find but the logical part of me wants to milk the Craigslist Special $800 Ford Explorer I m currently driving until I can see pricing on the PwhateverD Model 3 will look like - as much as I love the form factor of the Model S hatch over the Model 3 trunk a brand new car with AP2 at the same or cheaper price as a few years old P Model S is probably the smarter choice. It s funny not even a year ago I was so excited for used Audi RS 7 RS 5 prices to drop the announcement of the RS 3 and the Alfa Giulia - and now I can t seem to get excited about anything other than EVs and Tesla in particular. | 76 | 7 | 1,069 |
6drkf6 | 25 | 19 vs 21 wheel owners - have you tried both? What are your thoughts? I like higher up cars in height. Most people comment on the obvious like I know there is a slight handling difference and you get less efficiency but Im curious if you thought it was a good investment and if you feel like you re actually higher up in the car sitting and getting out of it. | I had the [21 inch Turbines](https: www.instagram.com p BDwaLfuNTgx ?taken-by=sdoorex) and changed down to [19 inch TSW Geneva](https: i.imgur.com qSHqAfw.jpg) forged wheels on a P85 with air suspension. I used Continental ExtremeContact DWs on the 21s and currently Yokohama AdvanSport A S on the 19s. While the 21s looked really good on the vehicle they also wore through tires very quickly (< 10k miles per set) compared with the 19s (19k+ currently). With the 21s I had several tires killed by pot holes but I have yet to lose one to the same on the 19s. The ride is better on the 19s due to being softer and quieter but they do feel a bit more wobbly at high speeds and in the corners. Regarding efficiency I averaged about 335 Wh Mile on the 21s but I m now at 290 Wh Mile on the 19s. The ride height was not any different between the 21s and 19s because the 21s use a 245 35R21 tire whereas the 19s use a 245 45R19 tire: Size 1: 245 35R21 Size 2: 245 45R19 Compare | Size 1 | Size 2 | Difference ---|---|----|---- Diameter | 27.8 | 27.7 | -0.4% Width | 9.6 | 9.6 | 0% Sidewall | 3.4 | 4.3 | +26.5% Circumference | 87.1 | 86.9 | -0.4% Revs Mile | 749 | 751 | +2 Edit: At the end of the day I prefer the 19s. The 21s were just unpractical for a daily driver and I still have three of the 21 inch wheels that I am trying to sell. | Doesn t change the ride height but ride quality suffers from the 21s. They look great though. | 50 | 2 | 1,070 |
6drkf6 | 25 | 19 vs 21 wheel owners - have you tried both? What are your thoughts? I like higher up cars in height. Most people comment on the obvious like I know there is a slight handling difference and you get less efficiency but Im curious if you thought it was a good investment and if you feel like you re actually higher up in the car sitting and getting out of it. | I had the [21 inch Turbines](https: www.instagram.com p BDwaLfuNTgx ?taken-by=sdoorex) and changed down to [19 inch TSW Geneva](https: i.imgur.com qSHqAfw.jpg) forged wheels on a P85 with air suspension. I used Continental ExtremeContact DWs on the 21s and currently Yokohama AdvanSport A S on the 19s. While the 21s looked really good on the vehicle they also wore through tires very quickly (< 10k miles per set) compared with the 19s (19k+ currently). With the 21s I had several tires killed by pot holes but I have yet to lose one to the same on the 19s. The ride is better on the 19s due to being softer and quieter but they do feel a bit more wobbly at high speeds and in the corners. Regarding efficiency I averaged about 335 Wh Mile on the 21s but I m now at 290 Wh Mile on the 19s. The ride height was not any different between the 21s and 19s because the 21s use a 245 35R21 tire whereas the 19s use a 245 45R19 tire: Size 1: 245 35R21 Size 2: 245 45R19 Compare | Size 1 | Size 2 | Difference ---|---|----|---- Diameter | 27.8 | 27.7 | -0.4% Width | 9.6 | 9.6 | 0% Sidewall | 3.4 | 4.3 | +26.5% Circumference | 87.1 | 86.9 | -0.4% Revs Mile | 749 | 751 | +2 Edit: At the end of the day I prefer the 19s. The 21s were just unpractical for a daily driver and I still have three of the 21 inch wheels that I am trying to sell. | I like to hug the mid-line and use 20 wheels. | 50 | 4 | 1,071 |
6drkf6 | 25 | 19 vs 21 wheel owners - have you tried both? What are your thoughts? I like higher up cars in height. Most people comment on the obvious like I know there is a slight handling difference and you get less efficiency but Im curious if you thought it was a good investment and if you feel like you re actually higher up in the car sitting and getting out of it. | I had the [21 inch Turbines](https: www.instagram.com p BDwaLfuNTgx ?taken-by=sdoorex) and changed down to [19 inch TSW Geneva](https: i.imgur.com qSHqAfw.jpg) forged wheels on a P85 with air suspension. I used Continental ExtremeContact DWs on the 21s and currently Yokohama AdvanSport A S on the 19s. While the 21s looked really good on the vehicle they also wore through tires very quickly (< 10k miles per set) compared with the 19s (19k+ currently). With the 21s I had several tires killed by pot holes but I have yet to lose one to the same on the 19s. The ride is better on the 19s due to being softer and quieter but they do feel a bit more wobbly at high speeds and in the corners. Regarding efficiency I averaged about 335 Wh Mile on the 21s but I m now at 290 Wh Mile on the 19s. The ride height was not any different between the 21s and 19s because the 21s use a 245 35R21 tire whereas the 19s use a 245 45R19 tire: Size 1: 245 35R21 Size 2: 245 45R19 Compare | Size 1 | Size 2 | Difference ---|---|----|---- Diameter | 27.8 | 27.7 | -0.4% Width | 9.6 | 9.6 | 0% Sidewall | 3.4 | 4.3 | +26.5% Circumference | 87.1 | 86.9 | -0.4% Revs Mile | 749 | 751 | +2 Edit: At the end of the day I prefer the 19s. The 21s were just unpractical for a daily driver and I still have three of the 21 inch wheels that I am trying to sell. | They do not change the height. The tire becomes lower profile as the wheel becomes larger and the overall diameter remains the same. The tires also become more expensive and the wheel becomes more prone to damage and the ride becomes rougher. | 50 | 14 | 1,072 |
6drtk9 | 185 | Comparison Page Updated - Optional Glass Roof Coil Suspension 18 or 19 Wheels etc. Page updated https: www.tesla.com compare | Here is a possibility I ve been toying with: we all know that Elon has said that an open roof makes it easier for assembly etc. and that the Model 3 will most likely have an open roof for those reasons which is why many believed the glass roof would be standard. My thinking now is that they designed the car with the open roof for assembly but then have a metal roof that s non-structural they add as final assembly just like they would the glass. It s cheaper & allows them to have glass as an upgrade option which further removes it from the S X | Aluminum AND steel body. I am wondering if the steel body will be things like the bumper so that it is sturdier and easier to fix. | 76 | 6 | 1,073 |
6drtk9 | 185 | Comparison Page Updated - Optional Glass Roof Coil Suspension 18 or 19 Wheels etc. Page updated https: www.tesla.com compare | They re really doing a bad job at this. They shouldn t be downgrading the 3 they should be upgrading the S | I like that the 19 are the larger size. Indicates that they will probably look pretty good in terms of filling out the wheel well for style and still will probably ride pretty comfortably. | 64 | 2 | 1,074 |
6drtk9 | 185 | Comparison Page Updated - Optional Glass Roof Coil Suspension 18 or 19 Wheels etc. Page updated https: www.tesla.com compare | They re really doing a bad job at this. They shouldn t be downgrading the 3 they should be upgrading the S | I feel like the cars at the debut event must have had wheels larger than 19 - they looked roughly similar in proportion to the car as 21 s do on an S. Maybe 19 is enough to provide that look on a smaller car. | 64 | 3 | 1,075 |
6e4177 | 119 | BMW 3-Series versus Model 3: Reservations about my reservations Wife and I currently lease a 2015 328i. Moderately equipped nothing crazy. It s been a great fun quality car. With that said we ve both been super excited about the Model 3 and have been planning to replace the BMW with the Model 3 since before the initial reveal of the Model 3. We have 2 day 1 standing-in-line reservations (just in case she decides she needs her own). Since the reveal (and before really) I have spent...an unhealthy amount of time browsing this forum looking forward to any new info on the Model 3. That was until a few months ago something I looked forward to each day. That s changed over the past few weeks. Recent details and pictures have made me think that the Model 3 is going to be a pretty big downgrade from what we currently have. 14 cubic feet combined storage for trunk and frunk? Realistically that means an ~11 ft^3 trunk. That s tiny. The minimalist interior could have been (and still many be) awesome but the materials quality in the pictures I ve seen of the release candidates appear to be appropriate for a $20k car not one that will be $50-60k+ when highly optioned. The floating screen looks out of place and cheap as well especially when combined with the cheap-looking minimalist interior. Spaceship like steering ? I have no idea how one could look at the current steering situation in the release candidate Model 3s and come to that conclusion. Especially not someone that you know builds spaceships. We could afford a new S (and definitely a used one) but that car is just too damn big so that isn t an option. All things considered it doesn t seem like the Model 3 is going to be by far the best car you can buy for $35 000 even without any options . That s not an exact quote but Musk said something pretty similar at the reveal last year. It doesn t even look to be on par with its direct competitors in the same price range. I love Tesla as a company and am hugely supportive of their mission. However if I m going to throw down $50k+ for a car it d better feel like a $50k car (or hell even a $40k car) not a $25k car. Guess I ll give it a test drive and hope that I feel differently than I do now but I m getting more skeptical every day. Anyone else that was planning to move to a Model 3 from an A4 3-series C-series etc. or any other car really and starting to change your mind? | I get what you re saying. When I put down the deposit sight unseen I figured it may not live up to what I envisioned. That s why I ve been silently cross shopping other cars in the event I really can t get passed the various issues. The new 2018 Volvos have caught my attention funny enough because of the incredible interior. The XC60 S90 are just designed beautifully. I ve thought about a 4 Series a Guilia even a Tahoe. You re kind of in the same boat as I am. I m going to wait until the final reveal with backups in mind. If the 3 ends up barebones and shitty I ll buy something else. There s no shortage of people chomping at the bit to take my spot. I ll give it a few years and then reevaluate the EV field then. | I like how you complain about how the model 3 will have to little space but the model S is too big. When I get my model 3 it s going to be bare bones with full self drive. I m glad the interior is cheap because I want a $35k car. Not a $60k car. But if you can afford it. Go with the model S. Deal with the size. You ll get used to driving a larger car. You ll also have a cheap version of an expensive car rather than an expensive version of a cheap car. | 48 | 2 | 1,076 |
6e4177 | 119 | BMW 3-Series versus Model 3: Reservations about my reservations Wife and I currently lease a 2015 328i. Moderately equipped nothing crazy. It s been a great fun quality car. With that said we ve both been super excited about the Model 3 and have been planning to replace the BMW with the Model 3 since before the initial reveal of the Model 3. We have 2 day 1 standing-in-line reservations (just in case she decides she needs her own). Since the reveal (and before really) I have spent...an unhealthy amount of time browsing this forum looking forward to any new info on the Model 3. That was until a few months ago something I looked forward to each day. That s changed over the past few weeks. Recent details and pictures have made me think that the Model 3 is going to be a pretty big downgrade from what we currently have. 14 cubic feet combined storage for trunk and frunk? Realistically that means an ~11 ft^3 trunk. That s tiny. The minimalist interior could have been (and still many be) awesome but the materials quality in the pictures I ve seen of the release candidates appear to be appropriate for a $20k car not one that will be $50-60k+ when highly optioned. The floating screen looks out of place and cheap as well especially when combined with the cheap-looking minimalist interior. Spaceship like steering ? I have no idea how one could look at the current steering situation in the release candidate Model 3s and come to that conclusion. Especially not someone that you know builds spaceships. We could afford a new S (and definitely a used one) but that car is just too damn big so that isn t an option. All things considered it doesn t seem like the Model 3 is going to be by far the best car you can buy for $35 000 even without any options . That s not an exact quote but Musk said something pretty similar at the reveal last year. It doesn t even look to be on par with its direct competitors in the same price range. I love Tesla as a company and am hugely supportive of their mission. However if I m going to throw down $50k+ for a car it d better feel like a $50k car (or hell even a $40k car) not a $25k car. Guess I ll give it a test drive and hope that I feel differently than I do now but I m getting more skeptical every day. Anyone else that was planning to move to a Model 3 from an A4 3-series C-series etc. or any other car really and starting to change your mind? | I get what you re saying. When I put down the deposit sight unseen I figured it may not live up to what I envisioned. That s why I ve been silently cross shopping other cars in the event I really can t get passed the various issues. The new 2018 Volvos have caught my attention funny enough because of the incredible interior. The XC60 S90 are just designed beautifully. I ve thought about a 4 Series a Guilia even a Tahoe. You re kind of in the same boat as I am. I m going to wait until the final reveal with backups in mind. If the 3 ends up barebones and shitty I ll buy something else. There s no shortage of people chomping at the bit to take my spot. I ll give it a few years and then reevaluate the EV field then. | Doing a Model S vs Model 3 comparison is going to make the Model 3 look inferior for obvious reasons. The S costs over double (in terms of base price). Obviously the expensive car will house more features. But when comparing the Model 3 to competing class vehicles....waiting until a final reveal would only be right. I understand some information has been released but not enough yet. Mostly speculations. I made the decision to turn my Model 3 res into a 2017 Model S because I truly wanted a Model S but originally was willing to compromise and get a 3 due to affordability. I ultimately decided to bite the bullet and get what I truly wanted (Model S). TLDR: The final reveal should answer most all questions on how the Model 3 will stack against similar classed vehicles. | 48 | 2 | 1,077 |
6e4177 | 119 | BMW 3-Series versus Model 3: Reservations about my reservations Wife and I currently lease a 2015 328i. Moderately equipped nothing crazy. It s been a great fun quality car. With that said we ve both been super excited about the Model 3 and have been planning to replace the BMW with the Model 3 since before the initial reveal of the Model 3. We have 2 day 1 standing-in-line reservations (just in case she decides she needs her own). Since the reveal (and before really) I have spent...an unhealthy amount of time browsing this forum looking forward to any new info on the Model 3. That was until a few months ago something I looked forward to each day. That s changed over the past few weeks. Recent details and pictures have made me think that the Model 3 is going to be a pretty big downgrade from what we currently have. 14 cubic feet combined storage for trunk and frunk? Realistically that means an ~11 ft^3 trunk. That s tiny. The minimalist interior could have been (and still many be) awesome but the materials quality in the pictures I ve seen of the release candidates appear to be appropriate for a $20k car not one that will be $50-60k+ when highly optioned. The floating screen looks out of place and cheap as well especially when combined with the cheap-looking minimalist interior. Spaceship like steering ? I have no idea how one could look at the current steering situation in the release candidate Model 3s and come to that conclusion. Especially not someone that you know builds spaceships. We could afford a new S (and definitely a used one) but that car is just too damn big so that isn t an option. All things considered it doesn t seem like the Model 3 is going to be by far the best car you can buy for $35 000 even without any options . That s not an exact quote but Musk said something pretty similar at the reveal last year. It doesn t even look to be on par with its direct competitors in the same price range. I love Tesla as a company and am hugely supportive of their mission. However if I m going to throw down $50k+ for a car it d better feel like a $50k car (or hell even a $40k car) not a $25k car. Guess I ll give it a test drive and hope that I feel differently than I do now but I m getting more skeptical every day. Anyone else that was planning to move to a Model 3 from an A4 3-series C-series etc. or any other car really and starting to change your mind? | I get what you re saying. When I put down the deposit sight unseen I figured it may not live up to what I envisioned. That s why I ve been silently cross shopping other cars in the event I really can t get passed the various issues. The new 2018 Volvos have caught my attention funny enough because of the incredible interior. The XC60 S90 are just designed beautifully. I ve thought about a 4 Series a Guilia even a Tahoe. You re kind of in the same boat as I am. I m going to wait until the final reveal with backups in mind. If the 3 ends up barebones and shitty I ll buy something else. There s no shortage of people chomping at the bit to take my spot. I ll give it a few years and then reevaluate the EV field then. | Can we please wait until July for these posts? Let s wait until we ACTUALLY know about the car. | 48 | 10 | 1,078 |
6ebghv | 28 | Updated Test Drive Policy to 21 and older I just received a phone call from a Tesla store I went to a while ago. They notified me that they have changed their policy of minimum age required to test drive Tesla cars to 21 and older. I for one was very annoyed and confused on why they had that limit the in the first place. I believe it was 25 or older before. Im also a Model 3 reservation holder but they still denied me last time. | > I for one was very annoyed and confused on why they had that limit the in the first place. Because you whippersnappers need to get off my lawn and stop being in so many accidents. | Great! Local store never let me do a drive since I m only 22 guess who I m calling?! | 37 | 3 | 1,079 |
6ei419 | 311 | Moderation gentle reminder: This sub is not the place for politics or a catch-all for anything Elon does... Good afternoon everyone After removing numerous reposts of the same story Elon will leave Trump council if Paris climate change deal dies for Rule 2 I d just like to give everyone a gentle reminder that this is a sub for TeslaMotors. We are not r politics we are not r ElonMusk. The reason we cut down on political posting is because people can t help themselves getting into arguments and calling each other names.... over stuff that really has nothing to do with the actual company. Just because Elon said or did something does not mean it is really relevant for TeslaMotors or this sub. We understand some actions by Elon may in fact (though maybe not directly) have some relation to TeslaMotors simply due to his position... but that does not mean everything he does needs to be posted here. If you d like to argue politics there are many subs where you can do that - or even make your own! This sub is not the appropriate place to discuss argue those topics unless it is either directly related to TeslaMotors or somehow related through the form of a question or comparison. Cheers | [who do you think you are?!](http: i.imgur.com 0S21x.gif) | Must..... resist.... | 69 | 5 | 1,080 |
6ei419 | 311 | Moderation gentle reminder: This sub is not the place for politics or a catch-all for anything Elon does... Good afternoon everyone After removing numerous reposts of the same story Elon will leave Trump council if Paris climate change deal dies for Rule 2 I d just like to give everyone a gentle reminder that this is a sub for TeslaMotors. We are not r politics we are not r ElonMusk. The reason we cut down on political posting is because people can t help themselves getting into arguments and calling each other names.... over stuff that really has nothing to do with the actual company. Just because Elon said or did something does not mean it is really relevant for TeslaMotors or this sub. We understand some actions by Elon may in fact (though maybe not directly) have some relation to TeslaMotors simply due to his position... but that does not mean everything he does needs to be posted here. If you d like to argue politics there are many subs where you can do that - or even make your own! This sub is not the appropriate place to discuss argue those topics unless it is either directly related to TeslaMotors or somehow related through the form of a question or comparison. Cheers | [who do you think you are?!](http: i.imgur.com 0S21x.gif) | Thanks for keeping politics out of this sub! | 69 | 22 | 1,081 |
6ei419 | 311 | Moderation gentle reminder: This sub is not the place for politics or a catch-all for anything Elon does... Good afternoon everyone After removing numerous reposts of the same story Elon will leave Trump council if Paris climate change deal dies for Rule 2 I d just like to give everyone a gentle reminder that this is a sub for TeslaMotors. We are not r politics we are not r ElonMusk. The reason we cut down on political posting is because people can t help themselves getting into arguments and calling each other names.... over stuff that really has nothing to do with the actual company. Just because Elon said or did something does not mean it is really relevant for TeslaMotors or this sub. We understand some actions by Elon may in fact (though maybe not directly) have some relation to TeslaMotors simply due to his position... but that does not mean everything he does needs to be posted here. If you d like to argue politics there are many subs where you can do that - or even make your own! This sub is not the appropriate place to discuss argue those topics unless it is either directly related to TeslaMotors or somehow related through the form of a question or comparison. Cheers | [who do you think you are?!](http: i.imgur.com 0S21x.gif) | But we can still call you names right? | 69 | 26 | 1,082 |
6epk9g | 21 | Is it just me or has this sub gotten a lot more anti-Tesla? It s not even the Updated Comparison Post yesterday (now the top post) or the Fired female employee and Hardcore workers posts today but the *unrelenting* hate in the comments. Like people [reveling in tearing down Musk](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ecrfj fixed_the_s_vs_3_compare_sheet di9p3rq ) (and then being upvoted to the top reply). Seriously. Except for #3 literally every one of the top replies in that post is shitting on him. WTF? We all have our issues but this is wildly removed from the gleeful fanboyism of basically the rest of this sub s history. | I m glad to see posts critical of Tesla. When I first started reading this sub over a year ago it felt almost cult-like. Any criticism was shot down and replaced with excuses and poor reasoning. | we want our model 3 s | 50 | 6 | 1,083 |
6epk9g | 21 | Is it just me or has this sub gotten a lot more anti-Tesla? It s not even the Updated Comparison Post yesterday (now the top post) or the Fired female employee and Hardcore workers posts today but the *unrelenting* hate in the comments. Like people [reveling in tearing down Musk](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ecrfj fixed_the_s_vs_3_compare_sheet di9p3rq ) (and then being upvoted to the top reply). Seriously. Except for #3 literally every one of the top replies in that post is shitting on him. WTF? We all have our issues but this is wildly removed from the gleeful fanboyism of basically the rest of this sub s history. | I m glad to see posts critical of Tesla. When I first started reading this sub over a year ago it felt almost cult-like. Any criticism was shot down and replaced with excuses and poor reasoning. | Funny. I find it s the opposite. I post any comment that s even remotely critical of any part of Tesla and it gets downvoted into oblivion. Like hey I love my car but AP2 is not good yet and the pitchforks come out. | 50 | 7 | 1,084 |
6epk9g | 21 | Is it just me or has this sub gotten a lot more anti-Tesla? It s not even the Updated Comparison Post yesterday (now the top post) or the Fired female employee and Hardcore workers posts today but the *unrelenting* hate in the comments. Like people [reveling in tearing down Musk](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 6ecrfj fixed_the_s_vs_3_compare_sheet di9p3rq ) (and then being upvoted to the top reply). Seriously. Except for #3 literally every one of the top replies in that post is shitting on him. WTF? We all have our issues but this is wildly removed from the gleeful fanboyism of basically the rest of this sub s history. | I m glad to see posts critical of Tesla. When I first started reading this sub over a year ago it felt almost cult-like. Any criticism was shot down and replaced with excuses and poor reasoning. | I ve noticed as much and suspect that it s either unmet unrealistic expectations surrounding the information coming in about the Model 3 displeasure in some of the ways things are handled (e.g. including gas savings in monthly cost estimates Solar roof tiles calculator the anti-selling of the Model 3 etc.) or paid people intending to inflict damage to the Tesla reputation in advance of the Model 3 reveal and launch. Personally I have ignored items that seem to be subjective and both me and my brother-in-law who reserved online an hour before the site was supposed to be live are thrilled with what we have seen thus far in the Model 3 detail drips. I m not coming from a BMW 3 series Mercedes or other high-end vehicle and wouldn t even consider one of them. If I had the cash and need I d be in Model X right now but the Model 3 is a car that truly excites me and allows for me to reasonably supplement the Mitsubishi Outlander in my driveway while also supporting Tesla and the vision. I ll keep my gleeful fanboyism to myself for now but bear in mind you can t please everyone. I think it s a bit foolish to speculate on what we don t know and will kindly keeps my reservations to myself until three events occur Model 3 final reveal customization portal goes live and I get to sit in and test drive the car. | 50 | 17 | 1,085 |
6eur3w | 574 | I was on the fence about keeping my Model 3 reservation but US withdrawal from Paris accord and Musk leaving White House committee has steeled my reserve... I m not buying another gas car I m concerned about potential service issues with Tesla as I live in a state with currently no Tesla service center so I thought about not going forward with getting a Model 3. I reserved on day one and am a huge Tesla fan but I can t afford to have car problems that are difficult or lengthy to resolve. But with my country pulling from the Paris Climate Accord and practically daily shitty news rolling in about the only planet we have I m feeling like fuck it I m going to roll the dice and take a risk on it. All in. We need to start making more sacrifices too financial and otherwise. Driving a Tesla is only one small part of the equation and before anyone lambasts me for suggesting that driving a Tesla is a sacrifice I ll address that now. Obviously driving an incredibly fun quick car that is highly desirable is not a sacrifice but I would suggest that people for whom a Model 3 or a Bolt or Volt is a little outside of their price range maybe they consider making some sacrifice in some other area to be able to fit an electric car into their budget. Or maybe someone can afford it but wants something bigger for the money or wants more of a sports car or just doesn t like the aesthetics of any of the electric cars available - - maybe those people should consider making a sacrifice for the planet (and therefore our children and our species and many other species) and get an electric car anyway. There are lots more things as well that we can do like commute by bicycle insulate our homes better stop buying all sorts of cheap plastic disposable shit etc but I won t get into all of that on this sub and you know what to do anyway. I know this sub isn t supposed to be political but I really don t think that halting climate change is a political issue. It blows my mind that we re not all on the same page about this. The scientific conclusion has been made. It s literally going to be a global disaster of geological proportions if we don t dramatically lower our carbon emissions immediately. This fits in this sub because Tesla is part of the solution. OK. Off the soap box. Have a great day. Edit: Thanks for my first gold! | Elon stayed on the committee to be the voice of renewable energy and to use it as an opportunity to try to prevent policies that would adversely affect his businesses. I don t know where all of the hate really came from. Having a seat at the the table is the best way to give your agenda a chance. | > can t afford to have car problems that are difficult or lengthy to resolve. Have you looked at other electric cars? There are at least a dozen decent ones out there available new in CARB states and used everywhere else. | 98 | 5 | 1,086 |
6eur3w | 574 | I was on the fence about keeping my Model 3 reservation but US withdrawal from Paris accord and Musk leaving White House committee has steeled my reserve... I m not buying another gas car I m concerned about potential service issues with Tesla as I live in a state with currently no Tesla service center so I thought about not going forward with getting a Model 3. I reserved on day one and am a huge Tesla fan but I can t afford to have car problems that are difficult or lengthy to resolve. But with my country pulling from the Paris Climate Accord and practically daily shitty news rolling in about the only planet we have I m feeling like fuck it I m going to roll the dice and take a risk on it. All in. We need to start making more sacrifices too financial and otherwise. Driving a Tesla is only one small part of the equation and before anyone lambasts me for suggesting that driving a Tesla is a sacrifice I ll address that now. Obviously driving an incredibly fun quick car that is highly desirable is not a sacrifice but I would suggest that people for whom a Model 3 or a Bolt or Volt is a little outside of their price range maybe they consider making some sacrifice in some other area to be able to fit an electric car into their budget. Or maybe someone can afford it but wants something bigger for the money or wants more of a sports car or just doesn t like the aesthetics of any of the electric cars available - - maybe those people should consider making a sacrifice for the planet (and therefore our children and our species and many other species) and get an electric car anyway. There are lots more things as well that we can do like commute by bicycle insulate our homes better stop buying all sorts of cheap plastic disposable shit etc but I won t get into all of that on this sub and you know what to do anyway. I know this sub isn t supposed to be political but I really don t think that halting climate change is a political issue. It blows my mind that we re not all on the same page about this. The scientific conclusion has been made. It s literally going to be a global disaster of geological proportions if we don t dramatically lower our carbon emissions immediately. This fits in this sub because Tesla is part of the solution. OK. Off the soap box. Have a great day. Edit: Thanks for my first gold! | Elon stayed on the committee to be the voice of renewable energy and to use it as an opportunity to try to prevent policies that would adversely affect his businesses. I don t know where all of the hate really came from. Having a seat at the the table is the best way to give your agenda a chance. | I couldn t really give a shit about the Paris accord and I m still buying a Model 3 because it s just a badass car that saves me fuel costs to boot. I wish more people saw it for its intrinsic value rather than making such a big deal about its perceived ability to save the planet. Build a damned good car and you don t have to sugar coat it with social political environmental benefits. | 98 | 19 | 1,087 |
6eur3w | 574 | I was on the fence about keeping my Model 3 reservation but US withdrawal from Paris accord and Musk leaving White House committee has steeled my reserve... I m not buying another gas car I m concerned about potential service issues with Tesla as I live in a state with currently no Tesla service center so I thought about not going forward with getting a Model 3. I reserved on day one and am a huge Tesla fan but I can t afford to have car problems that are difficult or lengthy to resolve. But with my country pulling from the Paris Climate Accord and practically daily shitty news rolling in about the only planet we have I m feeling like fuck it I m going to roll the dice and take a risk on it. All in. We need to start making more sacrifices too financial and otherwise. Driving a Tesla is only one small part of the equation and before anyone lambasts me for suggesting that driving a Tesla is a sacrifice I ll address that now. Obviously driving an incredibly fun quick car that is highly desirable is not a sacrifice but I would suggest that people for whom a Model 3 or a Bolt or Volt is a little outside of their price range maybe they consider making some sacrifice in some other area to be able to fit an electric car into their budget. Or maybe someone can afford it but wants something bigger for the money or wants more of a sports car or just doesn t like the aesthetics of any of the electric cars available - - maybe those people should consider making a sacrifice for the planet (and therefore our children and our species and many other species) and get an electric car anyway. There are lots more things as well that we can do like commute by bicycle insulate our homes better stop buying all sorts of cheap plastic disposable shit etc but I won t get into all of that on this sub and you know what to do anyway. I know this sub isn t supposed to be political but I really don t think that halting climate change is a political issue. It blows my mind that we re not all on the same page about this. The scientific conclusion has been made. It s literally going to be a global disaster of geological proportions if we don t dramatically lower our carbon emissions immediately. This fits in this sub because Tesla is part of the solution. OK. Off the soap box. Have a great day. Edit: Thanks for my first gold! | Elon stayed on the committee to be the voice of renewable energy and to use it as an opportunity to try to prevent policies that would adversely affect his businesses. I don t know where all of the hate really came from. Having a seat at the the table is the best way to give your agenda a chance. | I m going to have to finance mine but yeah fuck this paper-plate of a president. Leave the GOP behind | 98 | 22 | 1,088 |
6ezpch | 54 | Very cool or creepy?: Tesla ranger service came to my home to inspect and service my Tesla without a request. Tesla ranger tech knew the vehicle was in my garage from GPS. I never contacted Tesla for service. This was the seatbelt inspection recall. Tech was very extremely nice and professional. | Creepy. Please don t come to my property unannounced using GPS as confirmation that I am home. I apprecaite their effort but I agree that a text email or call first would have been more appropriate. Could be useful like in that IBM Watson commercial were the elevator repair guy shows up before the elevator breaks. | Very cool although they should have a system to ensure they are actually people from tesla like an automated text message that informs you ahead of time that a tesla rep is in the area (another person mentioned this) to ensure you that they aren t trying to steal your car :) | 75 | 10 | 1,089 |
6ezpch | 54 | Very cool or creepy?: Tesla ranger service came to my home to inspect and service my Tesla without a request. Tesla ranger tech knew the vehicle was in my garage from GPS. I never contacted Tesla for service. This was the seatbelt inspection recall. Tech was very extremely nice and professional. | Creepy. Please don t come to my property unannounced using GPS as confirmation that I am home. I apprecaite their effort but I agree that a text email or call first would have been more appropriate. Could be useful like in that IBM Watson commercial were the elevator repair guy shows up before the elevator breaks. | I think this is great showing the initiative etc I think a txt email or phonecall prior ( like hey we are in your area during this week or day and may pop by) just as a headsup | 75 | 21 | 1,090 |
6ezpch | 54 | Very cool or creepy?: Tesla ranger service came to my home to inspect and service my Tesla without a request. Tesla ranger tech knew the vehicle was in my garage from GPS. I never contacted Tesla for service. This was the seatbelt inspection recall. Tech was very extremely nice and professional. | Email or phone call is mandatory in this case except for emergency... | Very cool although they should have a system to ensure they are actually people from tesla like an automated text message that informs you ahead of time that a tesla rep is in the area (another person mentioned this) to ensure you that they aren t trying to steal your car :) | 42 | 10 | 1,091 |
6fbw40 | 64 | When will Tesla switch to USB-C for the interior? Obviously this is speculative but it would great if we got USB-C sooner rather than later. I doubt we ll get it on the Model 3 but would ve been nice to have them to be future proofed for the life of the car. edit: I d also like to see Power Delivery support providing up to 100W for charging laptops phones etc. | USB-C will officially roll out approximately 1-3 months after you take delivery regardless of when that is. | I bet after the fall iPhone launches with it. Then flagship Android and iPhones will have it. | 118 | 2 | 1,092 |
6fbw40 | 64 | When will Tesla switch to USB-C for the interior? Obviously this is speculative but it would great if we got USB-C sooner rather than later. I doubt we ll get it on the Model 3 but would ve been nice to have them to be future proofed for the life of the car. edit: I d also like to see Power Delivery support providing up to 100W for charging laptops phones etc. | USB-C will officially roll out approximately 1-3 months after you take delivery regardless of when that is. | Are you talking about the ports or the phone dock? If the dock you can make your own with a standard USB-C cable pretty easily. It would definitely be nice to have an official one from Tesla though. | 118 | 8 | 1,093 |
6fbw40 | 64 | When will Tesla switch to USB-C for the interior? Obviously this is speculative but it would great if we got USB-C sooner rather than later. I doubt we ll get it on the Model 3 but would ve been nice to have them to be future proofed for the life of the car. edit: I d also like to see Power Delivery support providing up to 100W for charging laptops phones etc. | USB-C will officially roll out approximately 1-3 months after you take delivery regardless of when that is. | I agree it would be nice but it s definitely not a deal breaker. They need to cut cost as much as possible for the model 3 and spending extra money on royalties for USB-C probably isn t something that would seem worth it in the long run. Most people are still on micro USB and iphones don t even use that. You re basically asking them to include a lightning connector too so Iphones don t need to use an adapter. It s not going to happen. I d say just get one of [these](http: i.imgur.com IkJyl5v.jpg) for $4 shipped | 118 | 9 | 1,094 |
6fmc0c | 25 | Any word on when the Model 3 Part 3 reveal is officially taking place? I am a reservation holder and am anxious as F. Additionally will all available configurations options be available day one? Or will certain more basic models only be available? | Event is in July. Nobody knows any more answers. | [July](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 852582182212194304) | 41 | 12 | 1,095 |
6fnj78 | 151 | Tesla 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting - official thread - 2:30PM PT (9:30PM UTC) Today at 2:30PM PT (local) 9:30PM UTC Tesla will hold its 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA. As usual please keep all posts related to the event in this thread. You can watch it live here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting The first few minutes are generally just the formalities. This year shareholders will be voting or already have by proxy on reelecting Elon Musk Robyn M. Denholm and Stephen T. Jurvetson as directors of the board. They will also vote on executive compensation the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm and a stockholder proposal regarding declassification of the Board of Directors to have them go through elections every year. After that there s generally a quick presentation update on the company from Elon - followed by a Q& A. Have fun. | - Semi Truck (End of Sept - Working Prototype Unveil)... trucking companies want to know how many they can buy and how soon. They are closely designed into the design process so that it s customized to their needs. Production in 2019. - Model Y: Made a mistake designing the model x from the model s platform. Should just design a SUV like an SUV. Drop Capital Expenditure by a factor of 2? 2019 approximately. Demand for model Y should exceed the demand for the model 3. Wants to simplify the supply chain with the Model Y. Wants to minimize the risk by buffering the parts. - Few other things I haven t mentioned... giggles . Looks forward to arriving to the unveil in a semi tesla truck. - On Track to deliver the first production model 3 next month. Then configuration would go live. - Kept configuration simple. - Got overconfident with the Model X. Should have released it over a few versions. - Model 3 configuration: What color and what size of wheels. Not going with dual motor since it doubles the problem of things going wrong. Early next year for dual motor config. - Long wait if you haven t put down a deposit. Probably 2019 if you put down a deposit today before you get your car. - Gonna give more prominence to used Teslas not gonna call them Pre-Owned? Gonna give them more attention on the website. - Safety: Weekly meetings on their way to be better than any other company made a change to 3 shifts instead of two more ergonomic processes improving the tooling lots of work to avoid repetitive stress injuries. Large crumple zone on S X. Safety is good also for the person colliding into the Tesla. Hood is designed to be like a trampoline. No engine block to hit. - Continued improvement to the speeds of supercharging. - AAA increasing rates? Change your insurance provider. - Package deal? Not yet. Maybe in the future. - Been interviewing directors... adding 2 maybe 3. Announcement in the next 1 or 2 months. - Audio Codec: Quite a bit of room for improvement confident that an OTA can make it better. - Service Centers: Huge Increase. (already mentioned?) - Direct Sales... Model 3 roll out: No limitation on ordering a car. Can service anywhere in the country. - After work relaxation for Elon? NO Sports Listens to music watches movies saw wonder woman hang out with kids see friends go crazy on twitter red wine ambien vintage record player.. some magic happens! - New plant for the Model Y? YES. Gigafactory will supply battery pack and drivetrain. Essentially a new gigafactory. NO more room at Fremont. They practically had a riot for parking spots the other day. Things @ fremont might have to be transferred to the Gigafactory. - How do you allocate your time across the companies? Boring company is basically a hobby. (3 people interns some Part-Time people no pressure everyone thinks they l fail... the low expectations are great. Boring 2% Neuralink 3-5% 90%+ is between Tesla Space X. Tesla is a drama magnet. - What can we do to charge a tesla without a garage? A lot more in-city charger locations (i think he said lower powered stations). Need a system that load-levels the power. - Electric Plane? No plans right now. Long way to go to handle terrestrial transport. Not quite there in term of the energy density 400wh kg... needs substantial innovation. At 500wh kg it becomes quite compelling. Maybe 10 yrs out. IDK why they included some lame questions. | There is video! https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting | 189 | 2 | 1,096 |
6fnj78 | 151 | Tesla 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting - official thread - 2:30PM PT (9:30PM UTC) Today at 2:30PM PT (local) 9:30PM UTC Tesla will hold its 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA. As usual please keep all posts related to the event in this thread. You can watch it live here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting The first few minutes are generally just the formalities. This year shareholders will be voting or already have by proxy on reelecting Elon Musk Robyn M. Denholm and Stephen T. Jurvetson as directors of the board. They will also vote on executive compensation the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm and a stockholder proposal regarding declassification of the Board of Directors to have them go through elections every year. After that there s generally a quick presentation update on the company from Elon - followed by a Q& A. Have fun. | - Semi Truck (End of Sept - Working Prototype Unveil)... trucking companies want to know how many they can buy and how soon. They are closely designed into the design process so that it s customized to their needs. Production in 2019. - Model Y: Made a mistake designing the model x from the model s platform. Should just design a SUV like an SUV. Drop Capital Expenditure by a factor of 2? 2019 approximately. Demand for model Y should exceed the demand for the model 3. Wants to simplify the supply chain with the Model Y. Wants to minimize the risk by buffering the parts. - Few other things I haven t mentioned... giggles . Looks forward to arriving to the unveil in a semi tesla truck. - On Track to deliver the first production model 3 next month. Then configuration would go live. - Kept configuration simple. - Got overconfident with the Model X. Should have released it over a few versions. - Model 3 configuration: What color and what size of wheels. Not going with dual motor since it doubles the problem of things going wrong. Early next year for dual motor config. - Long wait if you haven t put down a deposit. Probably 2019 if you put down a deposit today before you get your car. - Gonna give more prominence to used Teslas not gonna call them Pre-Owned? Gonna give them more attention on the website. - Safety: Weekly meetings on their way to be better than any other company made a change to 3 shifts instead of two more ergonomic processes improving the tooling lots of work to avoid repetitive stress injuries. Large crumple zone on S X. Safety is good also for the person colliding into the Tesla. Hood is designed to be like a trampoline. No engine block to hit. - Continued improvement to the speeds of supercharging. - AAA increasing rates? Change your insurance provider. - Package deal? Not yet. Maybe in the future. - Been interviewing directors... adding 2 maybe 3. Announcement in the next 1 or 2 months. - Audio Codec: Quite a bit of room for improvement confident that an OTA can make it better. - Service Centers: Huge Increase. (already mentioned?) - Direct Sales... Model 3 roll out: No limitation on ordering a car. Can service anywhere in the country. - After work relaxation for Elon? NO Sports Listens to music watches movies saw wonder woman hang out with kids see friends go crazy on twitter red wine ambien vintage record player.. some magic happens! - New plant for the Model Y? YES. Gigafactory will supply battery pack and drivetrain. Essentially a new gigafactory. NO more room at Fremont. They practically had a riot for parking spots the other day. Things @ fremont might have to be transferred to the Gigafactory. - How do you allocate your time across the companies? Boring company is basically a hobby. (3 people interns some Part-Time people no pressure everyone thinks they l fail... the low expectations are great. Boring 2% Neuralink 3-5% 90%+ is between Tesla Space X. Tesla is a drama magnet. - What can we do to charge a tesla without a garage? A lot more in-city charger locations (i think he said lower powered stations). Need a system that load-levels the power. - Electric Plane? No plans right now. Long way to go to handle terrestrial transport. Not quite there in term of the energy density 400wh kg... needs substantial innovation. At 500wh kg it becomes quite compelling. Maybe 10 yrs out. IDK why they included some lame questions. | It s 11:45 PM here... Getting sleepy. Get on with it! | 189 | 2 | 1,097 |
6fnj78 | 151 | Tesla 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting - official thread - 2:30PM PT (9:30PM UTC) Today at 2:30PM PT (local) 9:30PM UTC Tesla will hold its 2017 Annual Shareholder Meeting at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA. As usual please keep all posts related to the event in this thread. You can watch it live here: https: www.tesla.com shareholdermeeting The first few minutes are generally just the formalities. This year shareholders will be voting or already have by proxy on reelecting Elon Musk Robyn M. Denholm and Stephen T. Jurvetson as directors of the board. They will also vote on executive compensation the appointment of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP as Tesla s independent registered public accounting firm and a stockholder proposal regarding declassification of the Board of Directors to have them go through elections every year. After that there s generally a quick presentation update on the company from Elon - followed by a Q& A. Have fun. | - Semi Truck (End of Sept - Working Prototype Unveil)... trucking companies want to know how many they can buy and how soon. They are closely designed into the design process so that it s customized to their needs. Production in 2019. - Model Y: Made a mistake designing the model x from the model s platform. Should just design a SUV like an SUV. Drop Capital Expenditure by a factor of 2? 2019 approximately. Demand for model Y should exceed the demand for the model 3. Wants to simplify the supply chain with the Model Y. Wants to minimize the risk by buffering the parts. - Few other things I haven t mentioned... giggles . Looks forward to arriving to the unveil in a semi tesla truck. - On Track to deliver the first production model 3 next month. Then configuration would go live. - Kept configuration simple. - Got overconfident with the Model X. Should have released it over a few versions. - Model 3 configuration: What color and what size of wheels. Not going with dual motor since it doubles the problem of things going wrong. Early next year for dual motor config. - Long wait if you haven t put down a deposit. Probably 2019 if you put down a deposit today before you get your car. - Gonna give more prominence to used Teslas not gonna call them Pre-Owned? Gonna give them more attention on the website. - Safety: Weekly meetings on their way to be better than any other company made a change to 3 shifts instead of two more ergonomic processes improving the tooling lots of work to avoid repetitive stress injuries. Large crumple zone on S X. Safety is good also for the person colliding into the Tesla. Hood is designed to be like a trampoline. No engine block to hit. - Continued improvement to the speeds of supercharging. - AAA increasing rates? Change your insurance provider. - Package deal? Not yet. Maybe in the future. - Been interviewing directors... adding 2 maybe 3. Announcement in the next 1 or 2 months. - Audio Codec: Quite a bit of room for improvement confident that an OTA can make it better. - Service Centers: Huge Increase. (already mentioned?) - Direct Sales... Model 3 roll out: No limitation on ordering a car. Can service anywhere in the country. - After work relaxation for Elon? NO Sports Listens to music watches movies saw wonder woman hang out with kids see friends go crazy on twitter red wine ambien vintage record player.. some magic happens! - New plant for the Model Y? YES. Gigafactory will supply battery pack and drivetrain. Essentially a new gigafactory. NO more room at Fremont. They practically had a riot for parking spots the other day. Things @ fremont might have to be transferred to the Gigafactory. - How do you allocate your time across the companies? Boring company is basically a hobby. (3 people interns some Part-Time people no pressure everyone thinks they l fail... the low expectations are great. Boring 2% Neuralink 3-5% 90%+ is between Tesla Space X. Tesla is a drama magnet. - What can we do to charge a tesla without a garage? A lot more in-city charger locations (i think he said lower powered stations). Need a system that load-levels the power. - Electric Plane? No plans right now. Long way to go to handle terrestrial transport. Not quite there in term of the energy density 400wh kg... needs substantial innovation. At 500wh kg it becomes quite compelling. Maybe 10 yrs out. IDK why they included some lame questions. | Who is this person.. | 189 | 2 | 1,098 |
6foeil | 68 | Prediction : Model 3 rollout and the next three years in the life of Tesla. Since I had a week off from you guys (high-five to the mods!) I figured it was a good time to finally put down my actual prediction of how the next few years will go. Not so much for the joy of being immediately downvoted to oblivion as for posterity so when this shit does happen I can smugly point back to this and say “I told you so”. Or you know for you to do the same to me. Given that I didn t expect Tesla to skip soft tools (which might end up being the single worst decision Tesla has ever made but that s another post) I am almost surely going to lose the bet I proposed three months ago [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5smydp meta_hey_rteslamotors_put_your_money_where_your ). But hey that s money for the ASPCA so it s all good. Regarding Tesla from this point forward I ve thrown together my experience intuition disdain for *exactly* 7 users of r teslamotors and all that sweet oil money the Koch Brothers wire me on a fortnightly basis to craft a detailed prediction of what you ll see from Tesla in the coming months and years. Enjoy. **July 2017** – Because they really don t have a choice final pricing details and configurations finally get announced for the Model 3. Some options and their prices are left frustratingly vague and unclear as the configurator isn t yet available to the public. Tesla evades answering questions about pricing on certain options and we have a flurry of rumors and leaks from employees ordering cars. Finally a handful of cars will be produced at the end of the month but it will be unclear if they were made on the actual complete production-intent assembly line or only parts of it. Volume : < 500. **August 2017** – All the cars built this month are still slated to go to employees. More pricing detail emerges. The first test drives are given by the media they ll give mixed reviews. Pros on performance and value and AP potential Cons on interior quality and overall build quality. Cumulative Volume : 2 000 **September 2017** – It becomes clear that Tesla s internally-produced parts have become a bottleneck. The line is shut down at least once due to their own parts not being ready. Cumulative Volume : 5 000 **October 2017** – Cars are starting to go to members of the general public. The first “user reviews” will be mostly positive since these are being delivered to current Tesla owners fans. Somewhere someone gets in a serious accident in a Model 3 and the whole AP debate comes to prominence again. Here s where they start seeing quality issues as Elon demands higher volumes to meet his 5k week target by EOY. Cumulative Volume : 10 000 **November 2017** – A serious and or safety defect is discovered on the 3 because after all they skipped a ton of validation testing. Tesla tries to blame it on a supplier supplier tells them to eat a dick messy public fight ensues. Stories start to swirl about suppliers doubting if dealing with Tesla is worth it. Cumulative Volume : 17 000 **December 2017** – The year closes with Tesla producing Model 3s at 2 500 week. Not at all bad but half of the goal Elon blames suppliers like he always does when he misses timelines. 2017 Volume : 25 000. **Q1 2018** – 30 000 Model 3s. 55 000 cumulative. **Q2 2018** – 45 000 Model 3s. 100 000 cumulative the tax credit reduction triggers. **Q3 2018** – 55 000 Model 3s. 155 000 cuml. Here begins public pressure to start showing a profit. My personal belief is they will struggle to make a profit on the Model 3 because they suck at controlling costs. This won t be noticeable when mixed in with all the costs of the launch but as they enter static production they should start seeing operating income from the 3 and they won t. The same engineers who designed expensive parts and buyers who did an abhorrent job of negotiating their cost are the same ones working on the Model 3 and you just don t learn that stuff overnight. My guess is they start playing games with EV credits to show a good number in Q3 or Q4 to get Wall St. off their back. **Q4 2018** – 75 000 Model 3s. They end the year at a rate of ~300 000 yr. **2019** – Around 300 000 Model 3s are made. At this point they ve worked through the backlog of pre-orders and demand takes a sharp drop as those who wanted one have one. Word-of-mouth new demand isn t enough to keep up with the new capacity. Again profitability struggles. **2020** – Elon takes the podium with the CEO of Ford. They announce a massive acquisition where Ford takes over the Tesla brand Supercharger network and all automotive IP. Tesla takes the massive cash influx from the purchase and opens a handful of Gigafactories. Ford brings their assembly experience and cost management to Tesla s innovation and become the EV leader overnight while Tesla officially becomes Tesla Energy and goes on to dominate the renewable energy sector. Elon gives a speech about how their mission was accomplished accelerating the world s transition to sustainable energy. Fin. | I don t agree with anything you re saying but I m upvoting because it s probably the most interesting post since the last leaked photos of Model 3 testing. (edited per automod s recommendations) | First I want to say I m in agreement for your predictions covering July - October 2017. After that who knows. > October 2017 – Cars are starting to go to members of the general public. The first “user reviews” will be mostly positive since these are being delivered to current Tesla owners fans. Somewhere someone gets in a serious accident in a Model 3 and the whole AP debate comes to prominence again. Here s where they start seeing quality issues as Elon demands higher volumes to meet his 5k week target by EOY. Cumulative Volume : 10 000 Aren t there 15k - 18k reservations from Tesla and SpaceX employees? I think the consensus estimate was around there based on reverse engineering the reported Common reservation ID numbers that were being shared in early April 2016. Maybe you re right though since a non-trivial number of employees would likely defer their reservation to wait for AWD Performance or whatever other option they decide to hold back on initially. | 62 | 5 | 1,099 |
6foeil | 68 | Prediction : Model 3 rollout and the next three years in the life of Tesla. Since I had a week off from you guys (high-five to the mods!) I figured it was a good time to finally put down my actual prediction of how the next few years will go. Not so much for the joy of being immediately downvoted to oblivion as for posterity so when this shit does happen I can smugly point back to this and say “I told you so”. Or you know for you to do the same to me. Given that I didn t expect Tesla to skip soft tools (which might end up being the single worst decision Tesla has ever made but that s another post) I am almost surely going to lose the bet I proposed three months ago [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5smydp meta_hey_rteslamotors_put_your_money_where_your ). But hey that s money for the ASPCA so it s all good. Regarding Tesla from this point forward I ve thrown together my experience intuition disdain for *exactly* 7 users of r teslamotors and all that sweet oil money the Koch Brothers wire me on a fortnightly basis to craft a detailed prediction of what you ll see from Tesla in the coming months and years. Enjoy. **July 2017** – Because they really don t have a choice final pricing details and configurations finally get announced for the Model 3. Some options and their prices are left frustratingly vague and unclear as the configurator isn t yet available to the public. Tesla evades answering questions about pricing on certain options and we have a flurry of rumors and leaks from employees ordering cars. Finally a handful of cars will be produced at the end of the month but it will be unclear if they were made on the actual complete production-intent assembly line or only parts of it. Volume : < 500. **August 2017** – All the cars built this month are still slated to go to employees. More pricing detail emerges. The first test drives are given by the media they ll give mixed reviews. Pros on performance and value and AP potential Cons on interior quality and overall build quality. Cumulative Volume : 2 000 **September 2017** – It becomes clear that Tesla s internally-produced parts have become a bottleneck. The line is shut down at least once due to their own parts not being ready. Cumulative Volume : 5 000 **October 2017** – Cars are starting to go to members of the general public. The first “user reviews” will be mostly positive since these are being delivered to current Tesla owners fans. Somewhere someone gets in a serious accident in a Model 3 and the whole AP debate comes to prominence again. Here s where they start seeing quality issues as Elon demands higher volumes to meet his 5k week target by EOY. Cumulative Volume : 10 000 **November 2017** – A serious and or safety defect is discovered on the 3 because after all they skipped a ton of validation testing. Tesla tries to blame it on a supplier supplier tells them to eat a dick messy public fight ensues. Stories start to swirl about suppliers doubting if dealing with Tesla is worth it. Cumulative Volume : 17 000 **December 2017** – The year closes with Tesla producing Model 3s at 2 500 week. Not at all bad but half of the goal Elon blames suppliers like he always does when he misses timelines. 2017 Volume : 25 000. **Q1 2018** – 30 000 Model 3s. 55 000 cumulative. **Q2 2018** – 45 000 Model 3s. 100 000 cumulative the tax credit reduction triggers. **Q3 2018** – 55 000 Model 3s. 155 000 cuml. Here begins public pressure to start showing a profit. My personal belief is they will struggle to make a profit on the Model 3 because they suck at controlling costs. This won t be noticeable when mixed in with all the costs of the launch but as they enter static production they should start seeing operating income from the 3 and they won t. The same engineers who designed expensive parts and buyers who did an abhorrent job of negotiating their cost are the same ones working on the Model 3 and you just don t learn that stuff overnight. My guess is they start playing games with EV credits to show a good number in Q3 or Q4 to get Wall St. off their back. **Q4 2018** – 75 000 Model 3s. They end the year at a rate of ~300 000 yr. **2019** – Around 300 000 Model 3s are made. At this point they ve worked through the backlog of pre-orders and demand takes a sharp drop as those who wanted one have one. Word-of-mouth new demand isn t enough to keep up with the new capacity. Again profitability struggles. **2020** – Elon takes the podium with the CEO of Ford. They announce a massive acquisition where Ford takes over the Tesla brand Supercharger network and all automotive IP. Tesla takes the massive cash influx from the purchase and opens a handful of Gigafactories. Ford brings their assembly experience and cost management to Tesla s innovation and become the EV leader overnight while Tesla officially becomes Tesla Energy and goes on to dominate the renewable energy sector. Elon gives a speech about how their mission was accomplished accelerating the world s transition to sustainable energy. Fin. | I don t agree with anything you re saying but I m upvoting because it s probably the most interesting post since the last leaked photos of Model 3 testing. (edited per automod s recommendations) | I think pricing options will spread like wildfire as soon as they are available to employees even if the configurator isn t public since you can t reasonably expect employees to order cars without consulting their spouses. I just don t think there s any way they can keep that info from leaking. One of my predictions is that many options that are currently individually configured for the S X will be grouped together in packages trims on the Model 3 and this will cause a fair amount of angst within the community. | 62 | 10 | 1,100 |
6foeil | 68 | Prediction : Model 3 rollout and the next three years in the life of Tesla. Since I had a week off from you guys (high-five to the mods!) I figured it was a good time to finally put down my actual prediction of how the next few years will go. Not so much for the joy of being immediately downvoted to oblivion as for posterity so when this shit does happen I can smugly point back to this and say “I told you so”. Or you know for you to do the same to me. Given that I didn t expect Tesla to skip soft tools (which might end up being the single worst decision Tesla has ever made but that s another post) I am almost surely going to lose the bet I proposed three months ago [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 5smydp meta_hey_rteslamotors_put_your_money_where_your ). But hey that s money for the ASPCA so it s all good. Regarding Tesla from this point forward I ve thrown together my experience intuition disdain for *exactly* 7 users of r teslamotors and all that sweet oil money the Koch Brothers wire me on a fortnightly basis to craft a detailed prediction of what you ll see from Tesla in the coming months and years. Enjoy. **July 2017** – Because they really don t have a choice final pricing details and configurations finally get announced for the Model 3. Some options and their prices are left frustratingly vague and unclear as the configurator isn t yet available to the public. Tesla evades answering questions about pricing on certain options and we have a flurry of rumors and leaks from employees ordering cars. Finally a handful of cars will be produced at the end of the month but it will be unclear if they were made on the actual complete production-intent assembly line or only parts of it. Volume : < 500. **August 2017** – All the cars built this month are still slated to go to employees. More pricing detail emerges. The first test drives are given by the media they ll give mixed reviews. Pros on performance and value and AP potential Cons on interior quality and overall build quality. Cumulative Volume : 2 000 **September 2017** – It becomes clear that Tesla s internally-produced parts have become a bottleneck. The line is shut down at least once due to their own parts not being ready. Cumulative Volume : 5 000 **October 2017** – Cars are starting to go to members of the general public. The first “user reviews” will be mostly positive since these are being delivered to current Tesla owners fans. Somewhere someone gets in a serious accident in a Model 3 and the whole AP debate comes to prominence again. Here s where they start seeing quality issues as Elon demands higher volumes to meet his 5k week target by EOY. Cumulative Volume : 10 000 **November 2017** – A serious and or safety defect is discovered on the 3 because after all they skipped a ton of validation testing. Tesla tries to blame it on a supplier supplier tells them to eat a dick messy public fight ensues. Stories start to swirl about suppliers doubting if dealing with Tesla is worth it. Cumulative Volume : 17 000 **December 2017** – The year closes with Tesla producing Model 3s at 2 500 week. Not at all bad but half of the goal Elon blames suppliers like he always does when he misses timelines. 2017 Volume : 25 000. **Q1 2018** – 30 000 Model 3s. 55 000 cumulative. **Q2 2018** – 45 000 Model 3s. 100 000 cumulative the tax credit reduction triggers. **Q3 2018** – 55 000 Model 3s. 155 000 cuml. Here begins public pressure to start showing a profit. My personal belief is they will struggle to make a profit on the Model 3 because they suck at controlling costs. This won t be noticeable when mixed in with all the costs of the launch but as they enter static production they should start seeing operating income from the 3 and they won t. The same engineers who designed expensive parts and buyers who did an abhorrent job of negotiating their cost are the same ones working on the Model 3 and you just don t learn that stuff overnight. My guess is they start playing games with EV credits to show a good number in Q3 or Q4 to get Wall St. off their back. **Q4 2018** – 75 000 Model 3s. They end the year at a rate of ~300 000 yr. **2019** – Around 300 000 Model 3s are made. At this point they ve worked through the backlog of pre-orders and demand takes a sharp drop as those who wanted one have one. Word-of-mouth new demand isn t enough to keep up with the new capacity. Again profitability struggles. **2020** – Elon takes the podium with the CEO of Ford. They announce a massive acquisition where Ford takes over the Tesla brand Supercharger network and all automotive IP. Tesla takes the massive cash influx from the purchase and opens a handful of Gigafactories. Ford brings their assembly experience and cost management to Tesla s innovation and become the EV leader overnight while Tesla officially becomes Tesla Energy and goes on to dominate the renewable energy sector. Elon gives a speech about how their mission was accomplished accelerating the world s transition to sustainable energy. Fin. | I don t agree with anything you re saying but I m upvoting because it s probably the most interesting post since the last leaked photos of Model 3 testing. (edited per automod s recommendations) | Well if it s any consolation my overly optimistic predictions get downvoted as well. | 62 | 10 | 1,101 |
6fp03w | 411 | Baby Delivery in Model S (I know this sounds absurd. I m still in a bit of shock. It s 100% true.) This morning my wife had mild contractions so we headed off to the hospital with a full charge. Be conservative was the motto of the day. Ha. Well I guess the incredible acceleration of the Model S also applies to expecting moms. Over the course of the next 20 minutes the contractions grew from uncomfortable breathing to profane screaming. Then my wife announces It s coming! . Wait what? I pulled over to the side of the freeway confused and watched as my wife delivered our baby... with her front seat pushed all the way back and reclined. So we re 20 minutes from the hospital. Newborn still attached to his mother. On the freeway. Maximum safe driving time. Set traffic aware cruise control to the max 7 seconds! I easily merge back into the leftmost lane. I find other drivers are real polite to me when I m in the Model S. Call the doctor on the car Bluetooth system to warn them. He can hear the crying tells us the baby sounds healthy (is that an official diagnosis?). Couldn t decide whether to turn hazard lights on or not. Didn t want to get pulled over. We get there and two dozen heroes pour out of the hospital to the car. Baby and mom are rushed to the delivery rooms to clean things up. Everything turns out great mother and baby are happy and healthy. Later a doctor refers to our new boy as baby Tesla . My friends call him Model Y ... Meanwhile I m researching new floor mats. So how have your experiences been with delivering babies in the model S? -- As an aside I d love to see the GPS coordinates of where the baby was delivered on the side of the highway. Any idea how I can get that pulled from the car? | Congratulations!!! If you don t name that boy Nicola(s) you re missing a great opportunity. :) | I think I saw this in a movie once. Men in Black? | 123 | 13 | 1,102 |
6fp03w | 411 | Baby Delivery in Model S (I know this sounds absurd. I m still in a bit of shock. It s 100% true.) This morning my wife had mild contractions so we headed off to the hospital with a full charge. Be conservative was the motto of the day. Ha. Well I guess the incredible acceleration of the Model S also applies to expecting moms. Over the course of the next 20 minutes the contractions grew from uncomfortable breathing to profane screaming. Then my wife announces It s coming! . Wait what? I pulled over to the side of the freeway confused and watched as my wife delivered our baby... with her front seat pushed all the way back and reclined. So we re 20 minutes from the hospital. Newborn still attached to his mother. On the freeway. Maximum safe driving time. Set traffic aware cruise control to the max 7 seconds! I easily merge back into the leftmost lane. I find other drivers are real polite to me when I m in the Model S. Call the doctor on the car Bluetooth system to warn them. He can hear the crying tells us the baby sounds healthy (is that an official diagnosis?). Couldn t decide whether to turn hazard lights on or not. Didn t want to get pulled over. We get there and two dozen heroes pour out of the hospital to the car. Baby and mom are rushed to the delivery rooms to clean things up. Everything turns out great mother and baby are happy and healthy. Later a doctor refers to our new boy as baby Tesla . My friends call him Model Y ... Meanwhile I m researching new floor mats. So how have your experiences been with delivering babies in the model S? -- As an aside I d love to see the GPS coordinates of where the baby was delivered on the side of the highway. Any idea how I can get that pulled from the car? | Congratulations!!! If you don t name that boy Nicola(s) you re missing a great opportunity. :) | OK... that is.. Ew BUT congratulations on the new kid and the new floor mats. | 123 | 15 | 1,103 |
6fp03w | 411 | Baby Delivery in Model S (I know this sounds absurd. I m still in a bit of shock. It s 100% true.) This morning my wife had mild contractions so we headed off to the hospital with a full charge. Be conservative was the motto of the day. Ha. Well I guess the incredible acceleration of the Model S also applies to expecting moms. Over the course of the next 20 minutes the contractions grew from uncomfortable breathing to profane screaming. Then my wife announces It s coming! . Wait what? I pulled over to the side of the freeway confused and watched as my wife delivered our baby... with her front seat pushed all the way back and reclined. So we re 20 minutes from the hospital. Newborn still attached to his mother. On the freeway. Maximum safe driving time. Set traffic aware cruise control to the max 7 seconds! I easily merge back into the leftmost lane. I find other drivers are real polite to me when I m in the Model S. Call the doctor on the car Bluetooth system to warn them. He can hear the crying tells us the baby sounds healthy (is that an official diagnosis?). Couldn t decide whether to turn hazard lights on or not. Didn t want to get pulled over. We get there and two dozen heroes pour out of the hospital to the car. Baby and mom are rushed to the delivery rooms to clean things up. Everything turns out great mother and baby are happy and healthy. Later a doctor refers to our new boy as baby Tesla . My friends call him Model Y ... Meanwhile I m researching new floor mats. So how have your experiences been with delivering babies in the model S? -- As an aside I d love to see the GPS coordinates of where the baby was delivered on the side of the highway. Any idea how I can get that pulled from the car? | Congratulations!!! If you don t name that boy Nicola(s) you re missing a great opportunity. :) | Now we know how Tesla got those CPO Model S s so cheap ) | 123 | 34 | 1,104 |
6fpwmm | 32 | Semi Truck Presentation - Speculation about the few things I haven t mentioned Today Elon teased at the shareholder meeting with expressions like ~ I would definitely come to the truck unveiling ~ There are a few things I haven t mentioned ~ Maybe there s more than just a truck . What does he mean with this? I suspect that they will show the new Supercharger with a power of more than 350 kW. There are a lot of questions about charging an electric long range truck that have to be answered sooner or later anyways. A semi truck can t really charge at current Superchargers simply because of it s size and shape. And the 150 kW maximum power of the best current Superchargers will need a long time to charge a ~300-500 kWh battery. Time is money in logistics so the truck should probably need less time to charge than a current Model S at a current Supercharger to be competitive with an ICE semi truck. | When five of them are in a convoy they pack in tightly for maximum efficiency and then they form Voltron. | Design will assume full self-driving. Musk is sure L4 will be ready by end of 2018 - before the truck launches. He is even claiming coast-to-coast self-driving demo in 2017. So it makes sense the truck will be designed to be primarily self-driving and human assigned to non-critical backup. (we can argue if this Musk expectation is realistic but it s pretty clear this is their assumption). | 35 | 5 | 1,105 |
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