2009-2014 Cadillac CTS-V General Discussion Discussion, 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already in Cadillac CTS-V Series Forum - 2009-2014; The V is what it is.  It's a $38000 car that costs $70000 because of what's in front of the ...

The V is what it is.  It's a $38000 car that costs $70000 because of what's in front of the firewall, not behind it.  With the exception of the optional seats and a few superfluous trim pieces everything is the same thing you find in the base CTS on the inside. 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

Originally Posted by Thunder Gray STS

The V is what it is.  It's a $38000 car that costs $70000 because of what's in front of the firewall, not behind it.  With the exception of the optional seats and a few superfluous trim pieces everything is the same thing you find in the base CTS on the inside. 

Seems you're forgetting the chassis tuning, wheels, tires, aero etc.  The V is NOT just a base CTS with a bigger motor. 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

Originally Posted by Thunder Gray STS

The V is what it is.  It's a $38000 car that costs $70000 because of what's in front of the firewall, not behind it.  With the exception of the optional seats and a few superfluous trim pieces everything is the same thing you find in the base CTS on the inside. 

Originally Posted by Thunder Gray STS

We weren't talking about that, we were talking about interior trim. 

I was responding to the bolded above.  I agree with the interior comment. 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

And the interior of the base CTS with interior upgrades...is as good as any Benz or BMW.  Sorry it is as long as we are talking Gen 2 on up. 

Higher end American cars have mostly caught up.  Jag and Benz shown below are a step up but I wouldn't say heads and tails above.  The BMW, is really nothing special.  All of the cars below have vastly different price ranges. 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

Originally Posted by RaVeNous

BMW fan boy are we.  BMW are overpriced.  They are nice cars but sorry they aren't built better inside or out.  I've been in a couple 335i fully loaded and they were very loose.  Expensive material, not good fitment, and very plain.  I've also driven a couple 7 series and they were better, very quiet, but by no means heads and tails above late model Cadillac.  I could practically pull the interior door panels off the 335i's right off.  Sorry I simply disagree.  Every car has its issues, as does every manufacturer.  Please save up and buy the M5...

The V is a phenomenal performance car, but you're dreaming if you think the fit and finish is as good as the BMW.  I owned an M3 for 5 years and never had a single issue.  No leaks, no noise that shouldn't have been there, the carpets stayed put, the seats were rigid.  But, I sold it because you don't want to own one out of warranty, one electronic gremlin and you're toast.  You can debate whether they're overpriced, but that's a different argument. 
When I went for my first test drive with the V, neither me nor the salesman could move the driver seat forward, the latch was so stiff. 
I've had 6 Corvettes, unbelievable performance for the dollar, you just suck up the headaches. 
I promise you if you go on the Bimmer forums and complain that the carpet is lifting on your 70K car, you don't get a bunch of angry/sarcastic comments telling you to buy a Caddy. 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

Originally Posted by mashthepedal

The V is a phenomenal performance car, but you're dreaming if you think the fit and finish is as good as the BMW.  I owned an M3 for 5 years and never had a single issue.  No leaks, no noise that shouldn't have been there, the carpets stayed put, the seats were rigid.  But, I sold it because you don't want to own one out of warranty, one electronic gremlin and you're toast.  You can debate whether they're overpriced, but that's a different argument. 
When I went for my first test drive with the V, neither me nor the salesman could move the driver seat forward, the latch was so stiff. 
I've had 6 Corvettes, unbelievable performance for the dollar, you just suck up the headaches. 
I promise you if you go on the Bimmer forums and complain that the carpet is lifting on your 70K car, you don't get a bunch of angry/sarcastic comments telling you to buy a Caddy. 

I've never understood the complaints about the headliner and translucent sun shade.  I like both of them, but have to admit that I spend most of my time keeping my eyes straight ahead and watching out for the slower and/or erratic drivers in front of me.  I like being able to get by them quickly; it's a safety thing. 

Jud

Yeah, to me its just a headliner.  I never notice it.  That and my sunshade is always retracted anyway.  When I do look at them I wonder what all the fuss is about...

It's like comparing a Rolex to one of the Casio's that sync with the atomic clock.  The Rolex is fine jewelry and the quartz model (no longer in production) is very accurate, but it can't come close to competing with the Casio on accuracy, durability (maybe) and price.  I have both so I'm qualified to make the comparison.  The "V" is the Casio (with good materials); the BMW M5 is the Rolex.  So we get down to preferences, money and snobbery.  You are what you drive! 

Re: 194 Miles & Quality Issues Already

Originally Posted by JFJr

It's like comparing a Rolex to one of the Casio's that sync with the atomic clock.  The Rolex is fine jewelry and the quartz model (no longer in production) is very accurate, but it can't come close to competing with the Casio on accuracy, durability (maybe) and price.  I have both so I'm qualified to make the comparison.  The "V" is the Casio (with good materials); the BMW M5 is the Rolex.  So we get down to preferences, money and snobbery.  You are what you drive! 

Jud

Good analogy.  The V is a much better value.  If you're one to care about the little bits and pieces on the interior you're free to overpay for them, but for most of us performance is a higher priority.