BTIG Research analyst Walter Piecyk says HTC’s latest beastly smartphone for Verizon Wireless is going toe to toe with the iPhone 4, and is even outselling Apple’s iPhone at many Verizon Wireless store locations.  Piecyk and his team made calls to 150 different Verizon Wireless stores across 22 major U.S. cities, asking which device was selling better.  According to the analyst’s report, 61% of stores said the two devices were selling at about the same rate, 11% said the iPhone 4 was selling faster and 28% said they were selling more ThunderBolt smartphones than iPhones.  This anecdotal evidence suggests a solid launch for Verizon Wireless, and it further supports recent data that large-screen smartphones are continuing to grow in popularity.  We reviewed the HTC ThunderBolt recently and called it the fastest cell phone we’ve ever tested. 

if it’s selling that well then I’m sure Verizon will make an announcement.  They did for their record sales of the iPhone after all. 

http://twitter.com/adamjayreid Adam Reid

The iPhone was the quickest selling Verizon phone ever…2 months ago.  If this is barely outselling the iPhone now, I’m sure Verizon is hanging their heads in shame.  Really, I can’t believe its news that a phone that is coming up on being a year old and due for imminent replacement is being outsold by brand new phone with bleeding edge technology.  The actual story should be that its only selling better in less than a third of stores polled! 

Anonymous

The specs on the iPhone 4 are still on par, and you think people care about that anyway.  I love my Thunderbolt, but realistically the iPhone is perfectly on par after almost a year. 

DaHarder

I just called and was informed that the Thunderbolt is handily outselling the iPhone4 here in my area (Summerlin, NV) by an estimated ratio of 3 to 1 according to the sales associate I purchased mine from a week or so ago. 

Let’s just hope that they remember what I told them about installing the ‘Phone Info’ app that allows the use to easily turn off (battery draining) LTE when not needed. 

http://ebpp.com ebpp

part of it may be that everyone who wanted an iPhone already got one or is waiting for the next bversion

Anonymous

Right – this is an Ad, not news or worthwhile info. 

‘Thunderbolt, which is a new phone and the first 4G phone on Verizon, is outselling the iPhone today, which came out on Verizon couple of months ago.’ 

If this is still true in a month – then that would be news.  I don’t know who BTIG Research is – but they are now in the hole in terms of credibility. 

Anonymous

How could this possibly negatively effect their credibility?  Credibility is based on offering true information.  If I tell you that the sky is blue, sure it’s obvious and not news-worthy, but it doesn’t effect my credibility in a bad way.  So, as long as they’re not flat out lying, I’m pretty sure they’re just fine…

Anonymous

@kyle4miller – its the intent of the reporting that affects credibility.  The question is, why are they doing this research at all?  Is it because they are part of an investment banking company and they want to gain some insight as to where to invest money?  Maybe (yes they are part of an investment banking company).  Is it because they are already invested in Google, HTC, or whoever and want to affect the perceptions of those companies that investors have?  Maybe.  As an investor myself, if I think I have the edge on an investment because of my analysis – I keep it to myself.  But here’s BTIG Research, part of an investment banking firm, just blurting
it on out there.  That’s just my take on it anyway…

DaHarder

Someone sounds a little ‘butt hurt’ :-P

Robes1

I agree!  This is 100% marketing!  They are trying to get you to buy the “NEW” toy!  Of course none of them are talking about how the battery is a memory before you even reach 4 hours.  But of course the new phone should be outselling something that came out so long ago!  It would be a shame if it were any other way! 

http://seoagencies.com seo agencies

it’s PR…every company will promote the slightest achievement to get more coverage

Llgmlf

Oooh I wanna iPhone cause that’s all I know boo hooo ….iPhone is yesterday’s tech its like comparing a Dvd to a bluray sort can’t do it. If Apple ever.decides to make the iPhone a little larger and change it up a little like change that boring screen it has then maybe itll ne with it once more

Michael Scrip

— “if it’s selling that well then I’m sure Verizon will make an announcement.” 

I think the better announcement will be to explain why 61% of their stores are selling a 10-month old iPhone at the same rate as a brand new, super Android phone. 

I’d love to hear why…

DaHarder

The power of that Apple ‘Mind Share’. 

Anonymous

To be fair, a lot of people who want an iPhone are holding out for the iPhone5

Anonymous

lot of ppl who want iPhone are holding out for a iPhone with 4G data … not just any iPhone 5..

http://twitter.com/starnovsky Stan Tarnovsky

They’ll wait for a while then.  I don’t think LTE iPhone is coming this year, probably next one.  LTE is too cutting edge for Apple and it’s eating battery. 

Anonymous

May 2012

http://www.searingarrow.com AlienSix

What ever equivocation works for you

Anonymous

Trust me, that doesn’t seem to be the case.  For some odd reason, people haven’t realized after 4 years a new iPhone comes in June.  Maybe after another 4 years.  Also, I always tell those to wait for the next iPhone instead of picking up the iPhone 4 at this point – they simply say “I don’t care”. 

Anonymous

And they want the one with the bigger Gee Bees. 

Tim242

And the wifis!!! 

Anonymous

To be fair, a lot of people who want a htc thunderbolt are holding out for the dual core HTC. 

Anonymous

good point or other dual core phone. 

Cer

But if they’re on Verizon and want HTC, the TBolt is the one to buy now.  Unlikely that there will be a 4.3 inch dual core HTC smartphone on Verizon anytime soon. 

http://www.matthewdlyons.com/ matthewdlyons

Exactly! 

Anonymous

What’s amazing is the iPhone 4 even with people waiting for the 5 and being almost a year old, is at 3/4 of the stores polled, STILL sellin at the same rate or more than a brand new phone.  People are so stupid and can’t see the big picture. 

Anonymous

The thunder bolt is based on the evo.. barely an upgrade.. slightly faster 1 core and no hdmi out.. Any one who cares knows Vzw has better 4g phones coming

Steve Hillshire

To be fair, many are waiting for an HTC dual core.  What’s your point? 

http://twitter.com/parallelogram parallelogram

actually no

A lot of verizon people were said to be waiting for Iphone 4 too before it was launched and a large percentage of Verizon customer base was expected to jump ship from Android to Iphone as soon as they got the choice. 
Well apparently that was not the case. 

Same there.  There probably is a few who are waiting on Iphone 5

Lkgmlf

Oooh poooh I luv the iPhone and that’s all will ever want….the thunderbolt blows the iPhone 4 5 and 6 out.of the water so move.on

BallsNpenis

Well it makes sense since the iPhone 4 is almost a year old…

http://twitter.com/adamjayreid Adam Reid

Cue Goofan in 3..2..1..

Jroc869

cue preemptive, cue goofan comment in 1,2,3

http://twitter.com/adamjayreid Adam Reid

The lack of Goofan in this thread is very disturbing to me.  I don’t appreciate not being trolled

http://www.searingarrow.com AlienSix

Waits for incoming apple fanboys to say how this isnt true

Anonymous

Oh it’s true.  I believe it.  Called a store and asked.  Yup we just sold 10 thunderbolts and 9 iPhone 4’s.  Thundebolts winning.  Oh yeah.  iPhone 4 is 9 months old and the thunderbolt is brand new.  Lmao.  Do this poll in 9 months with the iPhone 5 and thunderbolt.  See what kind of results u get then. 

Had it and returned it.  2.5th battery life on heavy use.  Not a road warrior phone for sure.  A shame typical 20mb dl’s

Anonymous

So let me get this straight….The way they analyzed which phone is selling better is by calling Verizon Stores directly and asking which ever associate that answered, which phone is selling better???  LMAO!  just LMAO! 

http://twitter.com/adamjayreid Adam Reid

Yep, this has got to be the least scientific polling ever done.  Would say I’m shocked BGR posted this “story”, but anything for pageviews I guess

Teon39

The phone is on its way out because android is kicking its ass and is the way of the future.  I-toys are for kids!!! 

Anonymous

they should call the same folks back and ask them to name the 13 original colonies, see what the response is

i’m guessing, not stellar

Anonymous

Its outselling the iPhone because its a better phone…not trying to start the whole iOS vs Android debate, but the Thunderbolt is just an overall better phone than the iPhone at this point.  I dont find this surprising at all. 

http://twitter.com/jmackhh JMack

Please.  I bought the iphone4… a phone thats 2 years old… OVER this phone.  The interface is far superior, the battery life is far superior, and it responds faster and is a ton more sensitive. 

If Iphone 5 has a 4″ screen, watch your ass. 

A buddy of mine just bought the thunderbolt, hes been frustrated by no 4g access which they promised in our area, HORRID battery life and a clunky interface. 

Apple has been making OS systems for 30 years….  google has been doing it for 2.  Choose wisely. 

Anonymous

Why would u buy a phone and sign a 2 year contract on VZW to not enjoy their LTE network.  The iPhone 4 is NOT 2 years old =/ and i have heard many bad things about the ‘Bolt’s’ battery liife, so u may have a point there.  With all that said i would take the Thunderbolt over the iPhone, because i think its pointless to get a phone on VZW that does not have LTE access.  I didnt mention anything about the i5, when that comes out (if it has LTE) it will be a different story. 

Anonymous

The iPhone 4 is two years old?  Could have fooled me and the rest of the of the world. 

Anonymous

The iphone 4 is less than a year old. 

http://www.facebook.com/japultra Jason Nguyen

Well, if he’s in an area that doesn’t get 4G and hasn’t turned off 4G on the phone, it will consistently search for a 4G signal, depleting battery life very rapidly.  This aside from the fact that your friend’s service area not having 4G has nothing to do with the actual device itself. 

Ryan

U cant turn off 4g. Read the reviews.  Plus it does not search and search for 4g. Battery is not good. 

http://twitter.com/BrSwa Brandon

Wow… That’s a pretty technical “analysis”.  If you’ve dealt with a “sales rep” at a wireless store, you would know that 99% of what comes out of their mouth is conjecture and bull… I know a small few who actually know their stuff. 

Anonymous

And this is a surprise to who???  Oh yeah… LOL

http://willettjf.tumblr.com/ willettjf

Why is an AT&T iPhone pictured? 

John

laziness =P

Gunghult

ANd then a couple months from now the thunderbolt will be pushed to the side for the Galaxy S 2

Anonymous

and the media says apple wont release iphone 5 this summer and even in its release it wont have LTE.. hmm

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4OOCRRFDOPLV7LC57CLPSC4P2E Grand Chute

Don’t doubt the sales are great for the HTC.  It’s nice hardware and ready for the “4G” trend. 

I am a long-time VZW customer (from the GTE Mobilnet days) and have coveted the iPhone.  Due to coverage problems, and the dislike of evil empires, At&t is out of the question. 

My guess is that there are a considerable number of current VZW customers waiting to ‘buy’ an iPhone once either their contract is up (my case), or until the mystery 4G iPhone us a reality. 

http://twitter.com/ifixyourmac Ed Ski

“…and called it the heaviest cell phone we’ve ever tested.” 

There.  fixed that. 

Cer

Lighter than my Touch Pro2.  Picked up the TBolt yesterday. 

ATJ

What a BS article that’s not real facts just what reps are saying is bogus. 

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2BNOIBHBFICJEAPJLGHKK3WHPE DADDY WARBUCKS

a NEW phone is barely outselling / keeping pace with a year old phone……..and this is newsworthy? 

John

no surprise, it’s android. 

al bundles

But.. Uh… Now wait a… Umm…

You win. 

Anonymous

Maybe is cause the thunderbolt was just release and the iPhone4 has been out for quite sometime, Lmao.  Who ever that analyst is, he’s a moron. 

http://profiles.google.com/mistaedster Edward R. Marines

Ill tell all you readers that the reason the HTC Thunderbolt is outselling the iPhone.  The reason why the iPhone is not doing as well as the Thunderbolt is that Verizon employees have been cultured to stand by Android’s side.  My sister in law walked in to a Verizon store in San Antonio, TX with cash in hand to buy an iPhone 4.  That should have been a quick easy sell, but it wasn’t.  The Verizon employee helping her bluntly told her avoid buying an iPhone at all costs because it wasn’t nearly as good as ANY Android phone.  he was consistent and she just left because iPhone 4 was the only phone she wanted. 

Bigdav1178

Perhaps they didn’t have any iPhones in stock??? 

Smokinf350

And I don’t know about now but when iPhone first came out Verizon employees couldn’t get any commission for iPhone sales..so of course sell them an android and get paid or iPhone and nothing extra..no brainer to me. 

Anonymous

Probably 1st time buyers ;) Follow-up studies generally show the highest percentage of next-time smartphone purchases will be iPhones, as consumers initially enchanted with Android devices quickly learn after a few months use that they’ll always be 2-3 OS updates behind, their devices start to run slower and the only real cure is a reset-to-factory-defaults and reinstall of their apps, very much like Windows Mobile used to be. 

diego

so what.  for those who care, why? 

Scott

The more important thing to take note of anal-list is who has the lower return rate? 

Jedavid08

LTE.  Duh… Winning! 

Anonymous

and with that the excuses from the iphone fanboys and girls come out….  and out the window goes the argument that ONE android phone can’t outsell the iphone….awesome

Anonymous

Lol.  U r a dumbass.  A 9 month old phone is more or less selling at the pace of a brand new phone.  Use ur head moron.  Guess what?  iPhone 3GS is still for sale.  U want to claim a win over that phone too.  What a tit u r.

Anonymous

so is that the narrative now?  the article compares the VERIZON iphone 4 and the VERIZON thunderbolt… not the At&t/Verizon Iphone 4… the VERIZON iphone 4 hasn’t been out 9 months.  it’s still relatively new and as you iphone fanboys loved to say “it broke verizon records!”  and had people standing in line… yet the Thunderbolt which was delay at least 3 times so verizon could make sure it didn’t outsell the iphone 4 and piss off the apple fanboys has come in and… It’s outsold the iphone 4! …. 
when android overtook ios for market share u fanboys acted like victims of a mugging with the “the iphone is only on one network and not one android can outsell it!”  now one android outsells one iphone on one network(the largest as of now) and u fanboys are making more excuses… now wonder Jobs can hustle you every year like crack fiends with his newest shiny devices, y’all are so desperate….  ahahahahahahahaha…

Anonymous

Are u stupid?  No single android phone HAS out sold the iPhone.  U are
comparing a few days selling numbers compared to the overall picture. 
If I called a verizon store and the guy said this morning we sold 10
i4’s and 2 thunderbolts does that count as iPhone 4 out selling the
Tbolt???  LOL ur an idiot.  16 million iPhones last quarter.  When a
single android phone sells that many then u can beak off.  Till then
shut the fuck up dumbass. 

Anonymous

A stupid azz with an airhead, cant do the damn math.  Good job Droidtard

Anonymous

so now it’s the overall picture when the article above…only compares whats happening on VERIZON… like i said u iphone fanboys are desperate and are going crazy trying to hold any importance….android os outsells ios, now on verizon the thunderbolt beats the iphone 4.  all that other bs your saying is a non-factor.  the article speaks on verizon not at&t or the overall picture.  if you’re too much of a imbecile to understand that i can’t help you.  you fanboys run around pretending like the iphone is this world beater when it doesn’t outsell android anywhere except for at&t who cripple their android offerings.  u fools stand in line to buy the number 2 (3 phone in the world) and call that cool… man please, android runs the show now enjoy your iphone 4 even though it can’t make a call if you hold it wrong. 

Anonymous

Omg u r a fucking idiot.  Do the poll again then in two weeks and see
what kind of results u get.  Ever think about the fact that a phone
that has already sold 16 million units and is 9 months old is selling
at the same pace as a brand new phone?  All u see is thunderbolt
outselling iPhone.  And that’s barely lol.  I think it matters just a
little that a phone originally released 9 months ago (Who cares that
it’s two months old on verizon).  But if u need to claim this to make
yourself feel better then go ahead.  Btw the iPhone 4 is outselling the
motorola droid on verizon!!!  A win for iPhone!!!  Lol.  Sounds fucking
stupid to compare those phones huh?  And market share means fuck all
PROFIT SHARE is a little more important.  Apple has 4% of the overall
phone market share but 50% of the profits.  U understand those
numbers?? 

Anonymous

Wow scroat.  Your phone is very important to you.  Nice that you defend its honor even at the expense of civility–it’s almost as if owning the “best” phone is at the core of your personality.  At least your life goal is easy to achieve! 

Anonymous

hmmm..android has more market share than ios… has more than blackberry too, android has i believe 31 percent market share, ios has dropped in market share and the iphone 4 hasn’t increased it’s number… in the usa it is the top dog and world wide its number 2 behind nokia…all these numbers u like to claim were reported earlier this year not too sure if bgr reported all of them it did report some of them.  as for your claims about the droid, it actually outsold the 3gs it’s first 100 days out and still does, and now the thunderbolt outsells the verizon iphone 4 only 2 weeks after it’s release.  u keep saying 9 month old iphone 4 when the article doesn’t cover a 9 month phone it covers the verizon iphone which is what a month or 2 old…if u wanna talk about 9 month iphone beating android then you’re wrong again b/c android overall beats that too… but hey if sayg something the article isn’t saying (combine the at&t/verizon iphones against the thunderbolt) makes u feel special as mr.  jobs strokes your hair and tells u everything is ok, then rock on. 

i’m done with you and your non-factor position. 

Anonymous

Lol.  U keep trying to say 2 month old.  Well when a lot of people who
wanted the iPhone had already bought it I think it drops numbers.  It’s
like saying a new movie is selling way more tickets than a movie
released 2 months ago.  Well no shit.  I can’t believe how stupid an
narrow minded u r. Fair comparison is first two weeks of sales of
iPhone 4 ON AT&T yes that’s fair.  I don’t give a shit that the article
is talking about verizon compared to thunderbolts first two weeks. 
When in three months the sales numbers of the thunderbolt are 500000
what are u gonna say then?  It’s amazing how u can’t seem to understand
that the things I have mentioned ARE a factor.  Tell u what.  When the
iPhone 5 is released let’s do this poll again??  Sound fair???  Lol.  I’m
glad ur done cuz I’m tired o talking to a fuckin moron. 

Anonymous

so basically compare the phones in a way so the iphone wins…don’t compare the 2 month old iphone 4 nooo compare the 9 month iphone plus add the verizon numbers as well then compare that to the two week old thunderbolt….and that’s fair?  ahahahahahahahahahaha … the article has it right 2 month iphone 4 vs the 2 week thunderbolt and it reported the numbers, thunderbolt wins. 

the end. 

when the iphone 5 comes it will be compared to whatever the hot android at the moment is which is fine, the iphone 5 may be delayed until fall or winter to get holiday sales so it will be competing with the verizon moto Targa and the t-mobile pyramid plus the sprint evo 3D…and no calling foul b/c now the iphone is on 2 networks with high user bases. 

Anonymous

This whole thing started with YOUR COMMENT
and with that the excuses from the iphone fanboys and girls come out….  and
out the window goes the argument that ONE android phone can’t outsell the
iphone….awesome
I’m trying to point out that this ONE android phone has not and IS not out
selling the iPhone.  If YOUR definition of outselling is to have some people
call a store and ask which phone is selling better than u r a FUCKING
MORON!! 

Anonymous

And where are these reported numbers???  Lolololol.  Too funny.  This I
got to see.  Like I said.  Show me the numbers in three months.  I
guarantee iPhone 4 will have sold more phones than thunderbolt.  U will
say “but from march 17 to march 31 thunderbolt sold more phones!!” 
lol.  GOD DAMN U R A MORON. 

Anonymous

thanks for quoting me, my statement is correct: 1 android phone has outsold 1 iphone… verizon has one iphone, the articles talks about the verizon iphone.  you decided to bring in the at&t phone and start with the 9 months bs.  not my fault u got butthurt over 1 android beating 1 iphone. 

Anonymous

Show me the numbers first!!  Not some store clerk saying their
opinion!!  And wow.  Let’s take different moments in time and make some
claims here.  Lol Ok clearly u r a bucktooth inbred hillbilly muther
fucker who needs to have it explained a different way.  From June 2010
till February 2011 u fucked ur mommas snaggle tooth pussy 10000 times. 
From February till now u fuck her 100 times.  On march 17 u wanted some
strange so u started to fuck ur ugly cunt sister 150 times.  Who did u
fuck more?  From march 17 till now ur ugly cunt sister but from June
2010 till now??  Hmmmmm take ur shoes off and use ur toes if ya gotta. 

Anonymous

Wait for the true numbers moron.  I bet verizon iPhone4 will be a few
million and thunderbolt will be 500000.  Then what??  Dumbass.  I can
make up shit too. 

Anonymous

HAHAHAHA I WAS WRONG.  IT WAS ONLY 260000 THUNDERBOLTS HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
10 TIMES AS MANY IPHONES AS THUNDERBOLTS!!!!  HAHAHHAAHHAAA

Wait a sec.  Lemme get something straight here.  Are u saying that there
have been more thunderbolts sold on verizon than ip4’s???  No fucking
way u r that stupid!!???  Seriously!!!!!!  BAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.  U THINK
THAT’S WHAT THE ARTICLE IS SAYING DON’T U????!!!!???? 
MUUUUAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHA.  TOOO FUNNY!!!  UR AN IDIOT!!!!! 
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH OMG I JUST PEE’D A BIT!!!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
THANKS FOR THE LAUGH.  HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA