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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 20:49:20 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: thestatsisherehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2320791
Wed, 06 Feb 2013 04:52:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2320791I think the selections they made were excellent.  Strahan may have been the odd man out, but he’s a lock for next year. 
]]>By: orivarhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2319903
Tue, 05 Feb 2013 22:13:32 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2319903“I would leave Tim Brown off this year just based of his recent asinine remarks alone.” 

Stupid decision that shows no responsibility. 

]]>By: jojopuppyfishhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2311869
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 23:00:40 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311869If I was starting a Hall of Shame, I would begin with Benedict Arnold and Art Modell
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:11:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311726If modell gets in this year (or ever), the place should immediately be burned to the ground and the earth salted so nothing could ever live there again. 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 20:18:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311663Beezo-Doo-doo-Zippity-Bop-bop-bop says:Feb 1, 2013 12:30 PM

I don’t care much about the HOF but I do hope Brady and manning retire at the same time so we can see Brady crying when Manning goes in on a first time ballot and he is left out. ( Has the asterisks you know). 

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Even with all the Patriots haters out there I have never seen someone so delusional to write that Brady would not be a first ballot hall of famer.  You are truly one of a kind.  I don’t think those are asterisks you are seeing.. you better get that checked out. 

]]>By: bryangyhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2311577
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:18:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311577To those who say let the players vote – you’d have the sorry likes of Irvin who would select only those from one of the following 1) went to the “U”, 2) former Cowboys & 3) WRs.  No doubt that writers have biased opinions including how they were treated by the candidates but players even more so.  Just look at the NFL Films top 100 players & the foolishness on that list – Tebow/McNabb?  And having even HOF CBs evaluate OGs or WRs choosing DTs?  The fans who wouldn’t know or care about the merits of line play wouldn’t do much worse. 

What they should do is eliminate this whole private selection process & make it public plus have more than the current limited number of selectors so individual personal biases are not that critical & so that the behind closed door horse-trading is curtailed.  Having a dozen or so insightful ex-players & a similar number of ex-coaches/GMs also voting would enhance the process. 

For what it’s worth, I see Ogden, Allen & Shields as deserving & sure things.  Haley belongs but is the victim of some writer payback.  Strahan & Sapp will get in soon if not this year as have big reputations.  The 3 WRs are all close with each having pros/cons & may again split the vote.  The others including Parcells, DeBartolo & Modell are candidates who wouldn’t be the worst HOFers but who all have some significant flaws. 

Finally the Veterans selection should be abolished.  If we were talking about obscure players from the 40s and 50s, then I could understand but we are now talking about those from the 60s and 70s.  Culp and especially Robinson were very good players who I saw but were correctly bypassed.  25 or so years later they are now no more worthy & shouldn’t now be going in ahead of those missing out today who I believe are all more deserving. 

When they are announced – you’re off and running and you can even say “I told you so.” 

Good move

]]>By: milesrunner262http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2311122
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 14:55:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311122I’m sorry but I don’t see Bettis or Brown.  The 5 only rule is a crock.  And Ray Guy should be in there. 
]]>By: upstateruleshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2311069
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 13:40:56 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311069Strahan, Parcells, Reed, Carter and Brown. 

Andre Reed has to get in before Carter and Brown.  He broke Monks and Largent’s “Then” records.  Monk and Largent are both in.  I billieve that Carter and Brown should also eventually get in.  Neither of the three are going to get in until Reed gets in, therefore, put them all in together.  Strahan is the only 1st ballot guy out of this group.  A 1st ballot guy is a Peyton Manning, Montana, Rice…Strahan is a stretch and the others aren’t.  If they don’t put Parcell’s in then Art Modell, although he moved the Browns. 

So Joe Jacoby should get in because he blocked for John Riggins.  That seems to be a part of your argument.  Riggins had a fine career and ranks 16th all time on the rushing list.  BTW, where does Emmitt rank?  I can’t recall anyone ever saying that Joe Jacoby was the best ever at his position.  However, Larry Allen is pretty much the consensus GOAT Offensive Guard with John Hannah earning some consideration as well.  That’s not smoke.  That’s a raging forest fire. 

Just an aside, should you believe that Jacoby is being slighted given his contributions on some championship teams, you must surely be livid about Charles Haley being excluded with his five rings, right? 

]]>By: timsizzle83http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2311023
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:17:44 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311023Baltimore fans will gladly vote irsay in as soon as we get our refunds for the season tickets we bought in advance the year of the mayflower.  We went 20+yrs without a team and our “iconic institution’s” championship banners and records say Indianapolis on them.  I have zero sympathy for you, at least you got lubed before he stuck it in ya. 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:53:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311022Hey browns “fans”, GET OVER IT.  You did not have “an iconic institution”, never have never will.  Modell moved 30 players and left you CRYBABY WHINERS YOUR TEAM YOUR NAME AND YOUR RECORDS.  He did what he was forced to do by your lame-duck local politicians, much like Irsay did.  Only irsay didn’t have the class to leave what was never his in the first place where it belongs.  Modell was instrumental in the merger and put football on tv which alone made it what it is today.  If you want to hold onto a vendetta hold it against your local govt and the new owners of the factory of sadness, not one of the most influential owners/figures in NFL history.  Without his vision the nfl would’ve either fell off 30 yrs ago or would be crediting the next guy who came up the idea 10yrs further down the line.  Theres no room for a crap-towns personal problems when discussing who is influential and great.  Its a fact, he was iconic in the history of the nfl. 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:53:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311011JackAcid says:
Feb 1, 2013 12:19 PM
Still laughing at Strahan over Modell and Eddie D. I can’t even believe Strahan is a finalist, let alone more worthy than two of the greatest owners in NFL history. 

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Thats easy.  Eddie D. cheated with the cap, and they had to change league rules, he was also involved in a gambling sting in New Orleans.  Modell took one of the greatest and most loyal fan bases and flushed it down the toilet. 

Eddie D. just signed the checks, and quite frankly Al Davis was the one who advised him, and suggested Bill Walsh as a head coach – the rest is history.  Eddie D never got a stadium built, but he did take care of his players. 

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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 09:18:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2311004I think the selection commitee will pick who they “LIKE” and who they had access to the most!  Now with that being said who get’s in?  That depends whom you ask!  I belive that players that have the most impact on the game it self should warrant consideration!  I have read some (Not all) posts here and most think Haley should get in because he has played in 5 SuperBowls I’m not saying he wasn’t great!  But he did’nt win those five SuperBowls by himself!!  He had help, Alot of help!  I think each player that get’s nominated should be judged on his own merits and whether he had a major impact on the field and off it as well!!  And defined thier position.  Fans always want their players to make it in!!  Good luck to all the nominees!! 
]]>By: kevpfthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2310986
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 06:53:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310986Strahan and Bettis can wait.  Haley and Reed now. ‘ Nuff said. 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 05:59:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310975@BringBackTheFlex: Ahmen!  Those are some of the guys I watched growing up.  Nice to read there are some out there besides me that didn’t forget also.  Keeping spreading the word. # NFL Films
]]>By: dtlb58http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2310973
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 05:54:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310973IMO, None of the new guys should go in this year until these guys that have been waiting for years to get in are given their just due. 
My five, Haley, Greene, Carter, Modell, Parcells and Culp for the seniors class. 
Unfortunately, one of the most deserving didn’t make the finalist list and that is Don Coryell. 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:52:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310963Parcells was 5 games over .500 after he left the Giants..very overrated coach
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:30:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310953I thought that the main criteria for induction into the PFHOF was the answer to the following question.  Would the game of football be the same today if the candidate had not been involved?  In other words would they be missed?And why are owners, coaches and other “officials” not in a catagory of their own? 
Then they could pick 5 people who actually played the game! 
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:29:48 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310952Keep Modell out! 
Then, I don’t care who else gets in…
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Sat, 02 Feb 2013 04:12:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310950Bill Bergey. 

Unfortunately played on bad teams, but was the quintessential LB of his time. 

Those will be the 5 that make it.  If I am wrong then the Ravens win the SupeBowl too because everything will be ALL SCREWED UP. 

]]>By: pthepro49http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2310918
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 02:51:46 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310918If Timmy Brown makes it over Chris Carter I will never have respect for the HOF voting process again.  Tim Brown is a above average WR.  He is not a good teammate, he bitched about Jerry Rice being ahead of him on the debt chart, and then just as he’s fading out of the spot light he makes comments about Marc Trestman not being head coaching material, and then how Callahan let TB win the SuperBowl.  Tim Brown is a joke, he is a poor mans Jimmy Smith, he is just like your typical Raider fan……PATHETIC! 
]]>By: BringBackTheFlexhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2310854
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:40:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310854slickster35 says: “As far as Sapp being the best DT ever, that honor would go to John Randle, who FINALLY got in.” 

I wish guys would just *try* to think outside of the 15 or 20 years you might have watched football before you say “best ever”.  Randle was darn good but he wasn’t even the best DT in Vikings history.  There was a guy named Alan Page – the first (and only?)  defensive player to be named MVP.  Also, Randy White, Bob Lilly, Merlin Olson, Joe Greene (although he was a roid monster).  These are guys that dominated for a decade or more at the DT position. 

Until Tommy Nobis and Kenny Anderson get in the selection process is a joke. 
Look up the careers before you squak. 

Modell Is also a joke.  Fired Brown, moved the team and crippled one of the most loyal football cities for a little cash.  he was not good for football. 

Aneius Williams?  How about Ken Riley?  The Rattler?  More interceptions, tackles, INT”S for TD’s, all pro’s, games, than the Woodson? 

They should name it the Pro Bowl football hall of Fame to frame the credibility these days

]]>By: chuckleberry1974http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/01/hall-of-fame-selections-sure-to-generate-controversy/#comment-2310826
Sat, 02 Feb 2013 00:13:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1698028#comment-2310826If Ogden and Allen dont make it, then there is an issue with the process or the standadrds or whatever.  It’s not my declaration that they are the best ever at their positions, but they are both in the argument.  Not all of the other candidates have that quality about them. 
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