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[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nbecause we need a LITTLE happiness in this fucked up world bruh just because your life is sunshine and lollipops and you don’t need wholesome memes as a pick-me-up doesn’t mean you’re like most of the rest of the world. you’re just sheltered" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nbecause we need a LITTLE happiness in this fucked up world bruh just because your life is sunshine and lollipops and you don’t need wholesome memes as a pick-me-up doesn’t mean you’re like most of the rest of the world. you’re just sheltered", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nbecause we need a LITTLE happiness in this fucked up world bruh just because your life is sunshine and lollipops and you don’t need wholesome memes as a pick-me-up doesn’t mean you’re like most of the rest of the world. you’re just sheltered", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nI don't think they're supposed to be funny..." ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nbecause we need a LITTLE happiness in this fucked up world bruh just because your life is sunshine and lollipops and you don’t need wholesome memes as a pick-me-up doesn’t mean you’re like most of the rest of the world. you’re just sheltered", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nI don't think they're supposed to be funny...", ">\n\nWho’s to say the intent of every meme should be to make the viewer laugh?" ]

[ "I find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nMemes are often funny. But it's not at all part of the definition", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\nthat gives them positive feeling. \n\ndunno where you got that from. Memes absolutely can be negative. Rage-inducing memes often get shared more than other types.", ">\n\nPositive for them because they want the rage. They want the hate. Its their entertainment.", ">\n\nNot sure I agree, I think you're twisting definitions. I don't think most people want to be made angry or hateful, its just what makes them react and respond more. \nIf by positive you meant it creates a reaction, then I agree, but I don't think that's what you meant at all.", ">\n\nI doubt I look like a definition expert.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nNow I am in the same position that I too fucking hate wholesome memes. But we should be clear headed and remember that \"meme\" is not strictly a joke. Meme is simply something that you share with people via internet that gives them positive feeling. That positive feeling includes both humor and just general relatableness.", ">\n\n\"Meme\" is one of those terms that got ruined by rampant misuse.\nIt got transformed from \"something that spreads because of it's cultural relevancy\"(eg something achieving virality) to \"some shit a 13 year old slapped together in Paint and posted to /memes\" (eg something that wants to be viral but is often just forgettable shite).\nWhen everything is a \"meme\", nothing is. Of course, that depends on what your definition of is is.\nIt’s a ~~beautiful~~ sad thing, the Destruction of words.\nSee also:\n\"The Cloud\" Used to be (distributed or computed on) a network so large that an isolated outage wouldn't impact it(like shooting an arrow into a cloud, the cloud made up of a vast array of particles barely notices.\nNow it's \"some company's server farm\" maybe with a backup or two in some other location.\n/Grumbles in Old man yells at cloud.", ">\n\nI find them annoying. it's just forced and disingenuous.", ">\n\nYup. Unfollowed that sub a long time ago when I thought everyone there are all mindless wholesome bots.", ">\n\nThey're not meant to be funny, at least most of the time, they're there to make people feel good.", ">\n\nConsidering the other content Reddit will push at people I’m not surprised OP and those that agree prefer more cynical content. I had to mute several popular subs because that shit is just straight up depressing.", ">\n\nI hate memes", ">\n\nI've slowly come to realize this over the years. The only 'memes' I really like are the ones that are so aburd there's no way they could be the product of effort, or one's where a ton of effort goes into making a really dense pice of material with no chance at any popular payoff. Memes like 'sopa de macaco' or baneposting or spotemgottem.", ">\n\nForced positivity comes to mind whenever i see one of those. I'm a sucker for cute things, but damn there's absolutely zero funny wholesome memes. Memes are supposed to make you go \"haha\" and not \"aww\"", ">\n\nWhen did the definition of meme become so strict? They’re not meant to be funny if you don’t like them that’s fine but a meme is simply something thats became widespread, funny or not. I equally wouldn’t call them wholesome memes they’re just wholesome posts.", ">\n\nNot everything is a joke my guy. They aren't trying to be funny", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nmeme\n/miːm/\nnoun\n1.\nan image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by internet users, often with slight variations.\n\"celebrity gossip and memes often originate on the site\"\n2.\nan element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.", ">\n\nI find that definition to be wrong. Meme = A Funny", ">\n\nmf disagreeing with a dictionary entry", ">\n\nOh im sorry. Does language work the same as newton's law of gravity?", ">\n\n*Oh,\n*I'm\n*Newton's\n*Laws\n*of Relativity not Gravity", ">\n\nYou should be spending your time on more productive things tbh", ">\n\nI used to feel that way, as well as things like heartfelt or emotional dialogues on tv for example.\nTurns out I was just uncomfortable with emotional vulnerability. It also showed up, for example, with me turning everything into a joke", ">\n\ndo you not understand what wholesome means? it doesn't mean funny", ">\n\nOP is a grinch", ">\n\nI dont think people find them funny, I just think they find them wholesome, and thats a respectable category of their own.", ">\n\nVery few are funny, mostly on niche topics.\nIn general I think meme culture is not too good, it should be used sparingly. I think it tends to downgrade thought if abused. A bit like twitter, but with pictures.\nAlso probably hurts are already messed up attention spans. But yeah, lots of these meses are not funny, so maybe your view is not too unpopular.", ">\n\nWhen you stare into the abyss of dark memes, the memes darken your abysmal soul…turn back before it’s too late pilgrim.", ">\n\nHalf of them being toxic positivity and other half just being r/HumansBeingBros", ">\n\nI cannot stand \"Wholesome\" word. It is literally \"whole\" and \"some\". So what is it, whole or some? And what does it have to do with happiness?", ">\n\nMemes are just popular pieces of content/media. There's nothing saying they HAvE to be funny.", ">\n\nNot everyone gets your sense of humor either. It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, and we'd all be better off appreciating each other instead of putting them down.\n*Except for pedos & nazis. May they burn in the hottest flames of hell. As painted by Thomas Kincaid.", ">\n\nWhat about the imperial Japanese?", ">\n\nI thought this too, but honestly with the distinct lack of wholesomeness from the certain segments of the population, I'm starting to think it provides some important counterbalance.", ">\n\nExactly the point that OP is missing. The wholesome thing is more of a reaction to “a certain segment of people” who aren’t mature enough to self-regulate and who operate online without consequence. Meaning it brings out the worst in humans, especially those who don’t already have well established principles. It’s people understanding that living in a world of chronic toxicity isn’t healthy. Unfortunately it’s a band-aid on the overwhelming destruction of mostly the youth, but even boomers and everyone in between.", ">\n\n\"meme\"", ">\n\nDidn't someone just post this same thing like earlier this week or last?", ">\n\nIt's always just annoying SJW bullshit", ">\n\nTheyre not always funny but theyre uplifting and thats their purpose", ">\n\nthe genuinely fill me with rage. i am always expecting for post to have a ton of downvotes but it has thousands and thousands of likes!!!! how is it possible!", ">\n\nWhat comedy? Look up the definition of wholesome 🤡🤡", ">\n\nI agree, that is why most of reddit is ruined.", ">\n\nSit down then", ">\n\nMan gives 1 dollar to homeless person. So wholesome", ">\n\ni mean i don’t mind them but i don’t get how they are memes", ">\n\nI’ve seen people post pictures of themselves and call it wholesome. I could be missing something or misunderstanding the whole thing, but that’s not for me.", ">\n\nme problem with r/wholesomememes is that they think that anybody cares about there memes", ">\n\nI don't really know what kind of wholesome memes you're referring to since there are multiple variatons, but if you mean the tiktok slideshow memes, they started in order to counter the meme slideshows that came before them that usually were about suicide, benadryl and that kind of stuff. Obviously the suicide and benadryl memes were funnier, but all in all wholesome memes are just better", ">\n\nI'm on the opposite side of this spectrum: I'm so done with 13 years old edgelord memes who think being rude/ignorant towards a specific group of people always equals funny.\nI don't think this is a wholesome meme thing, I think memes in general as content has become oversaturated and lazy.\nI see the most low effort, low hanging fruit memes in hot constantly when memes used to have some thought or wit behind them.\nNow the punchline will just be \"girls boring boys quirky\" or \"I'm going to make sounds that vaguely resemble an Asian language\" and everyone is slapping the table choking laughing and upvoting it.\nMeanwhile I think that shit is every bit as lazy and unfunny as the wholesome memes you are complaining about.\nI think meme culture in general has been taken over by kids and it shows. They used to have thought behind them and now any pre-teen edgelord can make it to hot reposting a meme comparing a woman's body to garlic bread for the 40,000th time and get to the front page.", ">\n\nMemes don't have to be funny, by definition. From Merriam-Websters Dictionary:\nmeme \\MEEM\\ noun. 1 : an idea, behavior, style, or usage that spreads from person to person within a culture. 2 : an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video) or genre of items that is spread widely online especially through social media.\nWhile the most popular genre of memes is humour/comedy, that isn't all there is to memes. There's a plethora of sub genres. They don't have to be funny in order to be considered a meme, it is just that the most popular memes exchanged tend to be funny ones.", ">\n\nThen sit /s", ">\n\nbecause we need a LITTLE happiness in this fucked up world bruh just because your life is sunshine and lollipops and you don’t need wholesome memes as a pick-me-up doesn’t mean you’re like most of the rest of the world. you’re just sheltered", ">\n\nNo I actually never find wholesome meme funny. It's kinda defeat the purpose of wholesome meme.", ">\n\nI don't think they're supposed to be funny...", ">\n\nWho’s to say the intent of every meme should be to make the viewer laugh?", ">\n\nwholesome memes are wholesome, funny memes are funny. \nYour problem is thinking that meme absolutely has to be funny." ]

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[ "Good luck! Try not to go too far into the rabbit hole lol. Its an enjoyable hobby, especially the modding part." ]

[ "Good luck! Try not to go too far into the rabbit hole lol. Its an enjoyable hobby, especially the modding part.", ">\n\noh i’m sick in the head i’ll be modding nonstop, haha. \nit’s one of those hobbies i tried to stay away from because i knew how much i would like it but all in all it’s not the most expensive hobby i’ve had (famous last words) \ni have severe adhd and possibly light autism. this hits all my sensory buttons (or keys, hah. hah. hah.)\ngonna be like a fidget tool for my work day." ]

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[ "But strangely not judges" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school)." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions)." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"" ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket.", ">\n\nAlmost no faculty are offered tenure when hired unless they are being poached from somewhere whey they already have tenure or will soon earn tenure. There is a process to earn it after being hired." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket.", ">\n\nAlmost no faculty are offered tenure when hired unless they are being poached from somewhere whey they already have tenure or will soon earn tenure. There is a process to earn it after being hired.", ">\n\nOf course. But the prospect of tenure is there and colors decisions. And it's the same story for those who work hard for 6 years and are awarded tenure. They devote their lives to the job partly due to tenure. You can't just pull that out from under them." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket.", ">\n\nAlmost no faculty are offered tenure when hired unless they are being poached from somewhere whey they already have tenure or will soon earn tenure. There is a process to earn it after being hired.", ">\n\nOf course. But the prospect of tenure is there and colors decisions. And it's the same story for those who work hard for 6 years and are awarded tenure. They devote their lives to the job partly due to tenure. You can't just pull that out from under them.", ">\n\nWell, by definition you can’t have tenure taken away from you. But you can lose it due to incompetence, malfeasance, or moral turpitude. But that takes a long time with regard to violations, evidence, reprimands, etc." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket.", ">\n\nAlmost no faculty are offered tenure when hired unless they are being poached from somewhere whey they already have tenure or will soon earn tenure. There is a process to earn it after being hired.", ">\n\nOf course. But the prospect of tenure is there and colors decisions. And it's the same story for those who work hard for 6 years and are awarded tenure. They devote their lives to the job partly due to tenure. You can't just pull that out from under them.", ">\n\nWell, by definition you can’t have tenure taken away from you. But you can lose it due to incompetence, malfeasance, or moral turpitude. But that takes a long time with regard to violations, evidence, reprimands, etc.", ">\n\n\nby definition you can’t have tenure taken away from you\n\nThat's what this whole discussion is about, though. Stripping the protections of tenure from those who already attained it." ]

[ "But strangely not judges", ">\n\nOr their own jobs. \nEdit: for those being naive I’m talking about term limits.", ">\n\nUm...they are up for review every two to six years. They just aren't being fired by the people in charge--the voters.", ">\n\nGerrymandering enters the conversation", ">\n\nThe cure for Gerrymandering- all seats run as ‘at Large’ — yep", ">\n\nThat's close to a Proportional system, which would fix the problem. The system mostly stays as it is, with a new rule that means a party's proportion of seats must equal it's proportion of votes - so if a party wins 55% of the vote but only wins 50% of the seats, it can add 'at large' members (aka 'list members') until the proportion is correct. That is how most democracies operate. Usually parties only add one or two 'at large' or 'list' members, if any, since there is no motivation to Gerrymander to begin with.", ">\n\nWhoa! You have too much faith in the American voters- they cannot understand that", ">\n\nWell, a large chunk of the electorate really does not want to understand that.", ">\n\nHoo boy. What could possibly go wrong here? Texas science departments about to become vast wastelands of biological and environmental chaos.", ">\n\nUniversities going bankrupt because \"only liberals send their kids to college, everyone else goes to trade school\".\nSeriously though, enrollment is going to drop because who tf would pay good money for our children to come out dumber than they were when they went in? Especially in the science and history areas of study.", ">\n\nEnrollment is already cratering because of a problem we (as in university administrators, of which I was one until 2016) all knew was coming but did nothing to address.\nThis may be kind of shocking, but, on average, it takes about 18 years to create a college freshmen. That means we can look at how many children were born in 2022 predict how many 18 year olds there will be in 2040 to potentially enter college. \nAfter 2013, the crop of 18 year olds started to trend downward, and enrollment trended downward with it. What happened around 2013? The youngest millennials turned 18. The succeeding generation is strictly smaller than the millennials, which means there were fewer 18 year olds looking to enter college. \nEveryone knew this was coming, and no one did anything to prepare for it, and now a lot of universities are getting fucked because enrollment is tanking. The university I used to work at is at full capacity with ~13,000 students. A friend who still works there told me enrollment this year is about 9,500. Take 3,500 and multiply it by the cost of tuition and fees, and you'll find a $35 million dollar hole in the university budget that has to be closed somehow.", ">\n\nPoliticizing curriculum is not the way. College has already become borderline unaffordable IMO. Tuition increases to cover the shortfall seems counter productive. What could they do to increase enrollment if the pool of students is shrinking?", ">\n\nI didn't mean to suggest that politicizing the curriculum is the solution. I more pointing out that its not (just) that \"only liberals send their kids to college,\" its that demographically speaking, we have more colleges and universities than we need for the number of 18 year olds that there will be for the next 20 years.\nThe solution is simple: some universities and colleges will just have to downsize or close.", ">\n\nI didn't mean to imply that you implied that politicizing curriculum was a solution LOL. You did not imply it and I didn't take your comment to mean that. \nI found your comment to be insightful. I figured that downsizing or closing would be the final result. I thought you were saying that universities had strategies to boost enrollment that they could have deployed years ago to prepare.\nWhen I graduated high school in the 90s, the majority of us were definitely going to a university. My kid graduated 5 years ago and it was more like 50/50. Many kids, my son included, chose alternate training programs or trade school. I was being sarcastic about the \"only liberals send their kids to college\" comment. It's echoing comments I've seen in relation to student loan forgiveness.", ">\n\nAnother major issue is the amount of money people pay for university because the government doesn’t want to cover costs.", ">\n\nThis is true, too.\nIt was a state university, and when I left in 2016, state appropriations covered 46% of operating expenses. The other 54% had to be made up from tuition and fees... which the state legislature also controlled, at least to the extent that we needed their permission to increase them. \nThis was down from a historical high of like 85% in the 80s.", ">\n\nHow much do they cover now? Zero aside from scholarships and grants to individual students?", ">\n\nAs a former higher Ed admin, it depends on the state and often institution. There is a strong correlation to funding in Red or Blue dominant states. In addition, certain institutions within the system often got special cut outs. For instance the largest institution, the institution in the state capitol, and sometimes specific programs (ie a very conservative law school at a red state school).", ">\n\n\"The share of Republicans and independent-leaning Republicans who said higher education was having a negative effect on the country grew from 37% to 59% from 2015 to 2019 in Pew Research Center polling.\"\nWhat happened in those four years, I wonder?", ">\n\nI'd love to hear what that perceived negative effect is. There's an argument that too many jobs require degrees when they really shouldn't, but I suspect that's not the problem for them.", ">\n\nSomething, something vague complaints about liberal indoctrination", ">\n\nw o a k", ">\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true. You do this at your own peril, and hubris is a fickle, chaotic mistress.", ">\n\n\nStopping people from telling the truth will not make things less true.\n\nExcept it will. We've learned by now that truth is relative. Conservatives in the US have whipped up such a fury over Critical Race Theory that they've convinced half the country it's being taught in grade school. It isn't and never was. That truth simply didn't matter.\nDonald Trump and those around him used violence and tried to overthrow a democratically elected president. In the old days, he and they would have been hung or shot. That's the truth. The other day, the speaker of the house THANKED HIM.\nTruth doesn't matter.", ">\n\nI'd swear to God if I believed in him that these idiots see the phrase \"Critical Race Theory\" and think it just means being critical of white people. Their lust for victimhood never fucking ends.", ">\n\nAnother example of a system that does need a few tweaks through reform just getting smashed with a hammer. There are about 50 other issues state universities need to address before they even get to shitty tenured professors. Starting with the NCAA and how college coaches are usually the highest paid state employees in every state.", ">\n\nThe problem is not with tenure, it's with administrative bloat. Universities are switching to more part-time, adjunct professors and raising tuition while paying administrators like they're executives at a Fortune 500 company", ">\n\nProfessors got tired of administering the day to day operations of the university and so brought in a managerial class of deans and other administrators. The results sadly were predictable.", ">\n\nI don't think it was the faculty choice.", ">\n\nIt was, historically. There are still some remnants of shared governance at universities (the deans are technically professors, so is the Provost, often there is a faculty Senate that votes on things, etc). But power concentrated in the administrative class over time.", ">\n\nI understand that. I'm just not so sure it was faculty who initiated or wanted such a switch. A few years ago a paper came out that, if I remember correctly, put this shift on college BoTs (at least at state institutions).", ">\n\nholy shit they are trying to put Dolores Umbridge in charge of education.\nIt's the first step to Government Approved Thoughts.", ">\n\nOne thing HP did was get a whole generation to understand fascism, that’s not all bad.", ">\n\nAnd a whole lot of people want to be Slytherin willingly, either to be edgy or because fascism is their kink.", ">\n\nSame for people who love the Empire in Star Wars, or the new version, the RDA in Avatar.\nBut also, for some it's just \"that's cool\" without thinking about the implications. Which is part of the problem. \nHugo Boss designed some pretty dope Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't want to wear them.", ">\n\nHugo Boss was far from the only one. Have you ever drank Fanta or used a Kodak camera?\nCoca-Cola, Kodak, IBM, Volkswagen, and a ton of other big companies had intimate ties to the Nazis, supported their war effort, and in the worst cases even facilitated the Holocaust. As long as they recognize this history and have apologized for it I say we move on. I don’t wear Hugo Boss but the company today isn’t the same as in the 1940’s.", ">\n\nHenry Ford was antisemitic and quite possibly a Nazi supporter. \nA lot of people thought it was crazy how Russia was able to turn a large population of the US against itself in 2016 but Nazi Germany was able to gather a large following in the US before WWII.", ">\n\nYep. Not just Ford, but also luminaries like Charles Lindbergh. Even many ordinary Americans admired Hitler as a model of a strong leader during the 1930's, and felt the Nazis had the right idea about the Jews. \nIt frightens me to think that it took a literal declaration of war and indisputable evidence of mass genocide to finally turn US public opinion against Hitler.", ">\n\nMan, why? Colleges hardly even offer tenure-track jobs anymore. I've been job hunting for a few years and everything is \"visting\" this or \"adjunct\" that. You want to ban people drinking sasparilla too?", ">\n\nConservatives dont have a moral or logical backbone, so if youre looking for a well thought out argument for anything they stand for, its simply not going to exist.", ">\n\nMore protection of \"free speech\" by Republicans who bemoan \"cancel culture.\" Is there a word for hypocrisy beyond just hypocrisy?", ">\n\nThe etymology isn't clear. \"hypercrisy\" just looks like a misspelling.\nAttacking academic freedom is not usually the act of \"freedom fighters\". It's more aligned with tyrannical regimes. Iran comes to mind.", ">\n\nSince the Greek word 'hypo' actually means 'below' or 'under', 'hyper' would be the exact opposite, meaning 'above'. Bathocrisy would at least be linguistically okay, but that's all a Classics degree gets you.", ">\n\nI'm trying to work something out with elachistos but I'm losing ground.\nElachicrisy sounds and looks bogus, elachistocrisy seems unwieldy.", ">\n\nWow, conservatives being anti-intellectual? What else is new?", ">\n\nWater either is or is not wet. 🤷🏻‍♂️", ">\n\nThe headline should be \"REPUBLICANS take aim at tenure for university professors\". It's pretty much the same thing, but I hate how republicans escape being called out in the media.", ">\n\nThe GOPs unwritten policies:\nAnti-gun law\nanti-healthcare \nanti-education \nanti-worker rights\nanti-choice\nanti-voter rights\nanti-oversight \nanti-human rights \nanti-science\nThey are however pro-corporate bailouts and are very supportive of russian oligarchs and their anti-democracy agenda against countries that insist on being…democratic", ">\n\nThey want a nation of exploited slaves, without having to actually pay for the care of those slaves.", ">\n\nThey want their own \"march through the institutions\"...just to harken back to a time long left behind. A time that only existed in their self-deluded, misremembering minds. \nThe dangers of what these Dodos are laying groundwork for, putting in place through the courts, via school boards, and other so-called \"culture war issues\" won't be felt for years to come. \nAnd yes, it's all ultimately in service of minority rule a la Apartheid South Africa. \nThe flickering embers of a dying flame are gasping for one last breath of oxygen. \nI can only hope they will be starved of it but I've been seeing Jim Crow politics make a slow resurgence over the last 15yrs and it's only going to get worse in these relics' deaththrows before it gets better.", ">\n\nRepublicans hate free speech. Sad.", ">\n\nI see one misconception that this article promotes: tenure is not a perk. It is not a lifetime appointment. It is not the freedom to say whatever with no repercussions. It doesn't protect professors from laziness and incompetence. Tenure simply guarantees due process and a hearing prior to an educator being let go.\nWithout tenure, professors would be forced to refrain from any controversial topics in their classes, and those controversial topics would go unaddressed by the education system. This might not seem like a problem, until you realize that the most extreme 20% of the population determines which topics are controversial at any one time.", ">\n\nNo it doesn't. I saw on a sitcom once that tenure means they can't be fired, so obviously that's the truth.\n/s", ">\n\n\"I love the poorly educated!\"", ">\n\nThis is another example of conservatives scrambling to slam the barn door shut after the horses escaped. A desperate tantrum from a dying party. Their last death spasms will be attempts to pull the building down on top of us all. Stay tuned for the upcoming debt ceiling fight. Republicans will see an engineered global financial crisis as a final opportunity to remake the world in their image.", ">\n\nConservatives have been successfully targeting tenure for many years now under the guise of “education reform.” It’s a sham. True education reform increases access to education by lowering cost and improving access, not shutting down the voices of those who have opinions with which you do not agree. Republicans have been radicalized on this issue ever since the Reagan era.", ">\n\nI've spent a ton of time in academia and agree that some reform to the tenure process and lifetime appointments is needed. On one hand it allows professors to go \"outside of the box\" and research things that may not be hot topic grant issues without fear of repercussion, but it also leads to many lazy professors who know they are untouchable and don't have to put in any work to take a paycheck. We've all had that 65 year old professor who hasn't changed his class or minted a new PhD in over 15 years.\nHowever, you shouldn't assault professorships for political reasons. That's just asinine.", ">\n\nThen start phasing it out of offer letters. Don't promise it so someone takes the job instead of going to industry where the pay and, often, work-life balance are better then take it away mid- or late-career. That's just not cricket.", ">\n\nAlmost no faculty are offered tenure when hired unless they are being poached from somewhere whey they already have tenure or will soon earn tenure. There is a process to earn it after being hired.", ">\n\nOf course. But the prospect of tenure is there and colors decisions. And it's the same story for those who work hard for 6 years and are awarded tenure. They devote their lives to the job partly due to tenure. You can't just pull that out from under them.", ">\n\nWell, by definition you can’t have tenure taken away from you. But you can lose it due to incompetence, malfeasance, or moral turpitude. But that takes a long time with regard to violations, evidence, reprimands, etc.", ">\n\n\nby definition you can’t have tenure taken away from you\n\nThat's what this whole discussion is about, though. Stripping the protections of tenure from those who already attained it.", ">\n\nThat is exceptionally difficult to do regardless of the competency of the professor and regardless of the politics. The reason being AAUP — Am Assoc of U Profs. most universities have enough AAUP members among the tenured professors that any tenured professor that risks loss of tenure will have AAUP step in and take a very close look. If AAUP decides that the loss of employment for a tenured professor was not by the book, AAUP will publicize that and it makes it very difficult for the university to recruit talent.\nMaybe things have changed I have been out of academia for over 20 years, but back in the day you heard very quick if a faculty member lost tenure, you heard why, and it rarely happened to a competent professor, and when it did it was usually a budget issue." ]