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[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army)." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe" ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him.", ">\n\nOnly asking for 1 million? He deserves a hell of a lot more $ than that." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him.", ">\n\nOnly asking for 1 million? He deserves a hell of a lot more $ than that.", ">\n\nI remember when this happened! SO glad he’s suing. Fuck cops." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him.", ">\n\nOnly asking for 1 million? He deserves a hell of a lot more $ than that.", ">\n\nI remember when this happened! SO glad he’s suing. Fuck cops.", ">\n\nGood! That arrest was unconstitutional." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him.", ">\n\nOnly asking for 1 million? He deserves a hell of a lot more $ than that.", ">\n\nI remember when this happened! SO glad he’s suing. Fuck cops.", ">\n\nGood! That arrest was unconstitutional.", ">\n\nHope is lawsuit is a speedy success. He should get triple what he is asking. These actions are deplorable." ]

[ "“I’m afraid to get out of the car”\n“Yeah you should be”\nSays everything right there, to me", ">\n\n\"whats goin on is your fixing to ride the lightning, son\" \nholy fucking CRINGE\nHow many times has he rehearsed that in front of a mirror!", ">\n\nWhat the fuck does that even mean?", ">\n\nTo \"ride the lighting\" means to be put to death by the electric chair which is so fucked.\nEdit: To everyone who says tazed.... have you not listened to Metallica? Anyone who grew up in the 80/90/00's probably knows the original meaning more than the new \"getting tased\" one, due to that band. First time even hearing it used in the context of tasers.", ">\n\nYup. Everyone saying it refers to being hit with a taser are probably too young to know the original meaning. \nSure a taser could be the reference now (and certainly the officer will claim that in court) but for 90 of the last 100 years it meant being put to death by the government with the electric chair. \nAlso, it was well known that to properly execute someone within a couple seconds, the warden was supposed to put a wet rag on their shaved head. If you wanted them to suffer, you put a dry rag on their head. Then you could hit them with \"the lightning\" dozens of times without killing them, and this was said to be fairly common.", ">\n\nIsn't it like...right there on the Metallica \"Ride the Lightning\" art?", ">\n\nI don't listen to Metallica but after looking at the album art... Yeah, that goes to show how common and well known the euphemism was, that a band would name their album \"Ride The Lightning\" with an electric chair right there on the cover. It wasn't some obscure reference, everyone knew what it meant before tasers were invented. \nIf I heard a cop say that to me while pointing any weapon at me, my mind would immediately go to the cop is threatening to kill me, not just threatening to taze me.\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base. Sure, they didn't know who they were pulling over when they hit the lights. But damn they even treat currently serving military members just like they do civilians? Who the fuck do they think they are? Did they really think that he wasn't going to immediately report this?\nI would have thought it would be like one of those videos where a drunk state trooper gets pulled over by a city cop or vice versa and after the drunk guy says he's also law enforcement, the arresting officer becomes much more collegial with him, even if he still arrests him. But they gave no fucks that he was currently serving in the military.", ">\n\n\nThe thing that surprises me the most about this is the fact that the cops didn't change their demeanor once they saw that the person they pulled over was wearing a military camo jacket, and presumably close to a military base.\n\nI lived ten years near a navy bases, the local cops do not give a shit about the military as far as preferential treatment. The Navy staff are mostly seen as outsiders coming in from out of town to cause trouble, basically they are a step above drifters.\nAlso think about Rambo. It wasn't a bunch of left leaning hippies hunting Rambo in the woods.", ">\n\nSame thing around Ft. Lewis. The police said military should be held to a higher standard like police.", ">\n\nThe police should be held to a standard half as high as the military first.", ">\n\n“I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.”\nThe police literally said he should be afraid", ">\n\nShould people have to fear the people they pay for protection?\nApparently this ex-cop's answer is a resounding \"Yes.\"", ">\n\nLike the mafia, but worse.", ">\n\nExactly like the mafia. But with a badge and no accountability.", ">\n\nFun fact, prior to prohibition during which there was a lot of propaganda pushing the idea of the heroic cop taking down the evil mafia, many people preferred living in mafia-run neighborhoods over police-run neighborhoods. They both ran the same kind of protection rackets (cops still run protection rackets in some parts), but the mafia was at least from the community and saw the benefit of being well respected by the community (so that no one snitched on them and you can get more protection money out of people that are doing well). They would do things like run soup kitchens (Al Capone did, for example) or payoff the mortgages of widows and if one of their own acted a fool then they would be made an example of because they didn't want their reputation brought down. Cops on the other hand are frequently not from the community and practically never face any real accountability.", ">\n\nThe entire point of having citizen police instead of military policing communities is so the law would be enforced by locals from the community- friends, family, neighbors; because soldiers tend to develop a class identity separate to/over those in their jurisdiction. They inevitably begin to view the citizenry as subservient, and as a resource to be exploited.", ">\n\nYep, and unfortunately our police are a bunch of larpers.", ">\n\nWe should have a federal requirement that ALL police have residency in the precinct they'd be working in for 2+ years before giving them a job.", ">\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all. Every state/city/district does things differently. Some cities I know have tried requiring things like that or a college degree to try and correct some of the systemic problems, but unfortunately pretty much everywhere will allow for equivalent experience like pretty much any other job. So what happens is that a lot of cops get started with barely a high school education and practically no training and then after a couple years they move to a different department with higher requirements and correspondingly higher pay despite their \"experience\" leaving them still woefully unqualified. It's like Wimp Lo from Enter the Fist \"we have trained him wrong on purpose\" except it's not a joke.", ">\n\n\nI think one of the biggest problems is that there are no federal requirements at all.\n\nAnd it seems to go down to the very core of the various police academies. Top of your class at one PA might be complete and total failure at another.", ">\n\nThe fact the city is letting this go to trial is mind boggling. Should have cut that man a check years ago", ">\n\nNope and now they’re gonna learn the hard way.", ">\n\nMost likely the taxpayers are the only ones who will really feel this burn since taxpayers foot the hill for settlements such as these.", ">\n\nwell the taxpayers need to vote in people who will hold police accountable, i guess. That's local shit you can do.", ">\n\nIt should be required to pay these out of a seperate tax withheld from your paycheck. People will notice then.", ">\n\nPull settlement money out of the police pensions. It's insanity that taxpayers pay the bill for police misconduct.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the court filing, officer Crocker’s legal team said that “contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\n\nIf that's true, it's those bounds and punishments for going past those bounds that needs to be changed.", ">\n\nThis is the go-to excuse every time these bastards pull this shit, and the aggravating thing about it is that it’s usually not wrong.\nThe entire training and work culture of modern American policing is an absolute disgrace and has essentially created a breeding ground for ignorance and violence as they refuse to back down and push away those of their own that are more open to change and compromise.", ">\n\nFuck David Grossman and all the fucking sociopaths like him. You're not sheepdogs, you're the assholes everyone picked last in elementary school dodgeball and you haven't gotten over it.", ">\n\nCitizen: \"what's going on?\"\nCop: \"What's going on is you're fixing to ride the lighting, son!\"\nCitizen: \"I'm honestly afraid to get out.\"\nCop: \"Yeah, you should be!\"\nThe message is clear: COMPLY OR DIE.", ">\n\nHell, could be comply AND die, as well. If he complied and attempted to exit the vehicle, it's not unlikely that the cop would have misinterpreted an action like removing a seatbelt as drawing for a gun.\nThis is so maddening.", ">\n\nPhilando Castel's last words were \"why did you shoot me?\" He did everything right. Complied with the officers orders and told him he had his concealed carry. When asked to produce ID he tried and got killed for it.", ">\n\nI watched that live on Facebook after it happened. It was terrifying. It’s disgusting that we’ve been told since we were children that police are there to protect us.", ">\n\nI just mean as a society, there’s a whole thing about how great cops are. Last month, the police here put on a free roller skating party. Had cops standing outside handing the kids stickers. There’s summer wellness fairs sponsored by the cops, letting the kids sit inside a squad car etc. They’re targeting the kids. \nThe Talk is sadly necessary due to this societal worship of cops. I’ve given my daughter a talk about the talk. Like “you don’t have to be aware of your skin color. The Black community doesn’t get to go a day without their skin affecting something in their lives”.", ">\n\nIt's sad that the article doesn't call out the logical flaw in police saying he should have exited the vehicle when the officer said he should be scared to exit the vehicle.", ">\n\nHere's the video", ">\n\nI really wish Fatty McFuckclown here could be sent to the front lines of the most brutal war. He loves to act tough shit in this situation, but if he ever actually had to serve and protect against someone who could fight back, he'd only have time to piss himself before getting dropped like the sack of shit he is.", ">\n\nArtfully worded.", ">\n\nIf that’s justifiable within his training as an officer than the fucking training needs to change.", ">\n\nFucking training needs to change either way!", ">\n\na soldier clearly wearing his service uni, driving an obviously brand new car, temp plate clearly visible in the window, calm and verbally responsive throughout the entire incident\ndo the cops tell him why he's being stopped? ask him about the plates so he can explain and everyone goes on their way? \nno, they appear only interested in threatening, antagonizing, and escalating the situation - because they didn't really think they saw a criminal, they thought they saw an excuse", ">\n\nThis video was one of the most obvious cases of cops looking to start some shit, and also a very striking example of how standing up for your rights even the tiniest amount can trigger them.", ">\n\nI got stopped on a train a couple months ago for “open carrying an illegal weapon.” I was coming home from work and had a multi tool in my back pocket. It was 12:30am. I was teaching students at a local university and 3 blocks from home. Two guys in sweatpants/sweatshirts grab me from behind, take my multi tool out of my pocket, and ask me who I was/where I was going. I tell them my name and say I’m going home. They ask for ID. I do the same. They flash a badge real quick, but something seemed off (it was their aggressive attitude and plain clothes). I thought I might be getting robbed, so I asked to go to the police station located at the bottom of the platform stairs before showing ID. They refused. Red flag #2. They tell me I can either show ID where we were or show it at the station. I repeat my request to go to the station downstairs. They refuse. I ended up getting cuffed & put into a cruiser, driven 15 minutes away to another station, thrown in a holding cell for 3 hours, and then released. Everyone knew it was a complete waste of time. They don’t care about safety. They care about showing they’re tougher than anyone else.", ">\n\nYou need to talk to a lawyer.", ">\n\nI did. Currently dealing with this, so not a done deal but I’m looking at getting it expunged after getting a course or whatever. Kind of bullshit, but better than an arrest record/etc. I wasn’t exactly the most polite person in the world in that situation, but I was also exhausted, had just finished working a shift at 2 jobs, and gotten off a long phone call with a player in aTTRPG game I coordinate. I had basically been playing “adult in the room” for 14 hours straight. I was 10 minutes from a shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be stopped by guys who took pleasure in my confusion of whether I would be robbed or arrested. But whatever. It’s an event that happened. It cost me a couple thousand to hire a lawyer to fight on my behalf, but I’m happy with the result.", ">\n\nDude, kudos to this guy for thinking of pulling into a well lit area and recording the interaction. I don’t understand why those cops were so agro... why didn’t they just ask him where his license plate was in which he could have replied in the window and the whole situation would have been peacefully resolved? Instead they don’t explain why they are pulling him over with excessive force, point their guns, and pepper sprayed him.", ">\n\nHe was driving while black, a serious offense.", ">\n\nthis cop is just plain racist and itching to harm someone. I got pulled over multiple times after night shift ~2-5am. They would come to the window, see a white dude still in his uniform and ask the same question, “are you just getting off? Man that sucks. Ok, drive safe man.” This cop just never shoulda had a badge to begin with.", ">\n\nMake cops carry insurance, have an inspector general, drop qualified immunity, fund training, and better psych evals…. Jesus", ">\n\n\nfund training\n\nI dunno, all the training in the world doesn't mean shit if people believe that they won't face any consequences for going against their training. That would be true in any profession, not just cops. If bank tellers kept getting caught on camera stealing cash, and they also kept being cleared after an internal review and paid suspension, the solution wouldn't be \"more training on not stealing from the register\".", ">\n\nCompletely agree.", ">\n\n\nNazario stated that he wanted to pull over in a well-lit area. ... “I’m honestly afraid to get out,” Nazario said during the traffic stop. “Yeah, you should be,” Gutierrez replied.\n\n+++++\nIf it is dark, the person should pull over in a well-lit area.", ">\n\nI got pulled over late at night on a dark stretch of highway one time, and the officer lectured me about how it's unsafe for him to stop and get out of the car in a dark area like that, and made me put on my hazards and drive to a gas station down the road. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.", ">\n\nThat’s a core issue here, the variability and discretion. Each cop is different and has a good amount of discretion, leaving the population with no clear guidance on how to act correctly and giving (some) cops freedom to power trip over inane bs.", ">\n\nYep. Remember that cop that flipped a pregnant woman's car, cause she was trying to find a safe place to pull over. It's entirely up to the cop.", ">\n\nThis is exactly what I thought of. Like, does the public even have a chance when the police can act however they like with impunity?", ">\n\nNope. And when people protest about it they're told they're doing it wrong.", ">\n\nFucking hell. That patch on his left shoulder, same one that was on my uniform. \nStuff like this is why all of my veteran friends and active military friends need to learn to stop supporting the police as one of their on.\nCops arent Army/Marine/Navy/Airforce/CG stop acting like they are.", ">\n\nThere are several officers who resent the military too for rejecting them on psych and physical grounds too.", ">\n\nSay it louder. IF THE MILITARY REJECTS YOU ON PSYCH OR PHYSICAL GROUNDS, SO SHOULD LAW ENFORCEMENT", ">\n\nI think a lot of people think that \"You can beat the time, but you can't beat the ride\" means people should just take it. I also think a lot of these people have never had an adverse experience with law enforcement, god knows I have and maybe that makes me a bit more empathetic.\nYears ago the police came and banged on my door, they had the wrong apartment and were looking for the junkies upstairs. I told them they had the wrong apartment and closed the door, they forced it open. \nThey told me I had to prove I wasn't a 112lb 30 year old junkie (I was a 300lb 17 year old, also the wrong color lol). I tried to block them from going into my mom's room because she was zonked out on pain medicine and they said if I didn't move they'd arrest me for interfering. They then forced their way into my dying mother's room to \"look in the closet for said junkie\" and held a flashlight on her, demanding she provide ID.\nAfter they were satisfied neither of us was the junkie, the cop told me I was lucky and him and his buddy walked up the stairs to go exactly where they should have gone in the first place. They knew they were wrong, they just didn't like it pointed out and they abused their authority because they could.\nSo yeah buddy, take those fuckers for everything you can.", ">\n\nI’m really sorry to hear about your run in with them\nI had an unfortunate incident years ago with cops. I’m a vet with some injuries (I hate saying disabled vet, because I was in a vehicle accident in the service, not wounded from my service) and the VA used to cut me a six month prescription of Vicodin, flexeril, and OxyContin for the damage to my leg and such. I have always been averse to pills after witnessing someone’s addiction up close, so I began smoking weed in a state where it wasn’t allowed\nFast forward some years and a guy I served with had been over, we had smoked, and he got stopped on his way home. He told them I was his weed dealer (I wasnt, we smoked together but the dude had $.05 to his name, it was charity smoking) and they came to my house with a SWAT team. There was almost 2 dozen officers, two riot shields and AR’s, and they took my door off the hinges with a battering ram. They caused about $10k in damage to my home, even though I would have answered the door, and shown them where the weed was if they had knocked and presented a warrant\nTheir excuse was “you’re a veteran with a firearms background, we didn’t know how you’d react” \nI’d probably be a lot calmer if I didnt think you were going to shoot me and my dogs, but here we are.", ">\n\nIt's a really weird, self-reinforcing cycle. People are scared the police will kill them because they often DO kill them, and police are trained to be scared shitless of \"civilians\". Then they're armed with all these military surplus toys but have nothing real to use it on. It's a recipe for disaster.\nSorry your friend narc'd on you. Does home insurance even cover that kind of a thing or are you on your own?", ">\n\nIn college, the campus cops got license plate scanners.\nwell they were testing them out and it scanned my then GF plate wrong and it came up stolen.\nWe got pulled over by 5 cop SUVs with guns drawn and dragged to the ground with pistols at our heads.\nThey checked everything, oops its not stolen.\nThey said sorry, some excuse about “car thieves being heavily armed” then booked it out of there, we went and parked because we were now an hour late for class.", ">\n\nThat sounds like an excessive force suit to me.", ">\n\nYeah, if only I had the money at the time, or the time, or had gotten badge numbers or anything at all.\nI was more concerned with getting to class because attendance was part of the grade.\nThis was also 10+ years ago", ">\n\nIt's difficult to even grasp how much more society is aware of cops now as opposed to even 10+ yrs ago. \nPeople still hated cops back then, but it wasn't in the public consciousness like it is now, I don't think.", ">\n\nIndividuals with bad experiences may have hated cops, but it was treated as an \"unfortunate but acceptable one off event\". People weren't aware of just how common horror stories like that were.\nPeople used to give police benefit of the doubt out of respect, now we don't because it's unearned.", ">\n\n\n\nEnd qualified immunity.\n\n\nRequire licensure with a national database for reported complaints. \n\n\nComplaints and discipline should be handled by a community oversight board that bars having officers, former officers, immediate family of officers or police union personal as members.", ">\n\n\nBe required to carry insurance so the public isn’t paying for these lawsuits.", ">\n\nThat's a good one too, probably more important short term than long term. \nLong term, I'd suspect officer quality would improve significantly if officers were held criminally liable when appropriate, disciplined appropriately, and lose their career when there are strong enough indications to require revocation of licensure.", ">\n\nI live in this area and travel the road he was on very frequently.\nThe whole main road through the town of Windsor is what my husband and I call \"Pinchtown\". Hell a huge portion of the towns revenue comes from the constant traffic stops through there.\nIt's rare when you drive through and either don't see a cop actively looking to pull someone over, or have someone pulled over already. It stopped for awhile after this story first broke, but they're back at it for a bit now.", ">\n\nI'm so fucking glad I left Virginia. the government is a racket.", ">\n\nI knew what stop it was before I clicked the link. I hope he wins, I really do.", ">\n\nThey searched his car? For what? Did they have a Warrant? What probable cause did they have to think he had something?", ">\n\nDriving while black.", ">\n\nThat’s a very serious offense, sometimes capital penalty is applied at the spot.", ">\n\nThe driving part is optional here as well. Black in Public can be an offense on its own.", ">\n\nDon't forget Black in Private and Black While Asleep in Bed.", ">\n\nCops manhandle a citizen. Tax payers fund the lawsuit. Cops go and cause another lawsuit. Rinse and repeat.\nWe need to hold cops to a higher standard and stop funding their lawsuits.", ">\n\nWithin the USA, I'd trust a fully uniformed and armored US soldier holding a rifle in clear display over any police \"officer\", everytime.\nThey're trained to de-escalate, they have very clear rules of engagement, are actually held accountable (often severely), aren't in the job to screw people, and are generally way more professional than any police officer.\nI'm not advocating for military police, I'm just saying the police could learn a few things from them in the accountability, self control, and professional departments. \nI grew up in a military town and I know a few people that got their asses handed to them for stuff done even off duty and out of uniform reported by normal people. One was discharged and lucky he wasn't court marshalled (criminal prosecution in the army).", ">\n\nBlue lives matter’s heads are exploding cause they arent sure wether to support the troops or the cops in this lol", ">\n\nThey will always go with the white guy.", ">\n\nOh for sure, race always negates with those morons.", ">\n\nSomething that got me thinking. The vast majority of people cops do this to don't or can't sue. There's obviously zero accountability when it comes to groups/organizations/etc who are supposed to reign in cops. So generally speaking cops can do whatever they want. Which of course is a bad thing. A very very bad thing. Lowers morale in the areas these cops work. Silences cops or people attempting to be cops who want to actually protect people and do their jobs. Makes working in those areas bad too. Since you can get killed by cops while on the way to work and there's not much your family can do about it. Etc.\n​\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you. Now? Not so much. Support for cops in general (as far as i can tell) has fallen drastically. There's no manipulative movements. No conspiracy theories. No big politicians. Pushing that as a thing either. Nope.\n​\nCop's own actions have steadily and drastically changed most american's perspective on cops. They're doing it to themselves. There's still massive and blind support for cops in america. So that they can get away with any and everything they do and don't do. But. That support usually comes from the bottom of the barrel. Normal americans have had their view of cops changed by cops themselves. I don't think anyone in their right mind will automatically trust the word of cops anymore. And that's a very good thing.", ">\n\n\nBut. There's another side to this. Back in the day when people said fuck the police. The vast majority of americans said no fuck you.\n\nNow there are a lot more cameras and a lot more video to prove the police are the ones causing the problems. Just about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\nBecause we want our cops to be good cops. And sometimes we just believe what we want to believe instead of what is actually true.", ">\n\n\nJust about the only people still supporting BAD police are people that close their eyes and look the other direction.\n\nUnfortunately that's not the case. They watch it with open eyes and unconfined glee, because those cops are hurting people they don't like.", ">\n\nAnd then suddenly those police actions are turned on THEM and they flip out. Suddenly these “blue lives matter” people are literally beating police to death during the Jan 6 riots and saying the FBI should be defunded or abolished because it went after people in their tribe or prosecuted illegal guns etc.", ">\n\nI remember this incident, and it's still disgusting. Imagine gassing someone and threatening to taze them because you couldn't see their rear license plate that well.", ">\n\nFederal court baby.\nThe city tried to stopped it but was denied.\nThey fuck. \nHe's a soldier too. He's held to a high standard in the rule of laws and these police are fucking held to no fucking law.\nI hope they get fuck.", ">\n\nHere's what pisses me off: the fat officer asking LT what his rank was. \"Are you a specialist?\" \nThe fact that he asked that showed that if you're a lower enlisted soldier, you should be treated like shit. \nMany toxic leaders in the Army loves to treat lower enlisted soldiers like shit. More than likely, this fat cop is a toxic leader. Fucking piece of shit.", ">\n\nI think that is a big piece of context that will go over most people's heads when considering this interaction. Previously enlisted and currently commissioned, this was all too common, especially in 2010 and faced a lot of hurdles as an E5(P) trying to submit a green to gold packet because of my shaving profile. On paper I was pristine but because shaving fucks my face up, somehow I'm not able to be an officer? Shit was sus but it's always in the back of my mind.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Both of those cops need to be in prison.", ">\n\nI hope he wins. Should police protocol involve a less aggressive approach to policing in cases where someone is not actively trying to avoid them? He stopped in a well lit area, yet the police officers are already being aggressive towards their interaction with him. Should it be standard that police officers be nice and cordial in these cases and not like assholes? I feel like they should. Those who justify that police are under duress, too, and should be able to act the way they do is not the way.", ">\n\ni do not understand how police reform is not a top priority of voters in the USA", ">\n\nTitle should be, racist cops cost the city, again.", ">\n\nMore undereducated nazis larping as cops\nPlease stop letting the bottom of barrel be law enforcement", ">\n\nNative Virginian here. Old white guy. This soldier is owed an apology from police, and restitution. The thugs who assaulted him deserve jail. Why can’t we screen this sort of scum from the ranks of Law Enforcement?", ">\n\nParty of fiscal responsibility always seems okay wasting taxpayer dollars on lawsuits where people could have just not been racist. I’m really sick of my tax dollars being wasted this way. Law enforcement officers need a license that can be revoked for not meeting professional standards. Forget defund the police, let’s invest more in training and creating a professional police force that is there to protect and serve citizens, not inflate arrest numbers by harassing nonviolent criminals to make politicians look tough on crime.", ">\n\nIt's almost like there's a macho man alpha male thing being your whole personality cult going on in our country and cops are leading the way. \nThey live in a world where you have to prove how tough you are every second of every day. Being a cop gives you an advantage at that game, and thusly attracts the particularly worst folks.\nThe police don't gice a fuck about you. They care more that they asserted dominance and felt strong. Fuckers", ">\n\nI got pulled over in Australia, and the police officer just gave me a warning, and we chatted like people.\nI had a faulty brake light.\nAmerica is fucked.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\" - Soldier\n\"Yeah, you should be!!\" - Pig\nThat tells you all you need to know about these power tripping jack booted sadist fascists. They just wanted to frighten and intimidate behind their badges and uniforms like the fucking cowards they are. \nThese are not people in the service of the public. These are straight up sadists and psychopaths that should be nowhere near the public in any way especially with guns.\nMan, would I LOVE to be on this jury.", ">\n\n\nAccording to the police chief, the department practices non-discriminatory policing.\n\nIf that's what they call non-discriminatory policing, I would hate to see their discriminatory policing.", ">\n\n\nVirginia officers have a reputation of pulling people over for misdemeanors as a way to conduct a criminal investigation into something unrelated, according to WKTR. \n\nWhat the fuck. This should be immediate termination.", ">\n\nGlad he is suing. I remember seeing this and the cops were needlessly disrespectful and menacing in every way they could be.", ">\n\nI'm glad he's suing, these cops think they're cowboys and the way they acted versus how he kept his composure is a lesson in how not to act as a police officer.\nI can't imagine the scenarios playing through his head at the time. He was probably raised knowing that police shoot people like him for no reason other than the colour of his skin.", ">\n\n“contact with Nazario was within justifiable bounds in performance of his duties as a law enforcement officer.”\nBullshit! This statement tells you everything that is wrong with the Police in this fucked up nation!", ">\n\nThis man is serving his country. He’s not “black officer”, his name is Lt. Nazario. That rank has meaning and it is belittling to refer to someone serving as their skin color rather than their appropriate rank. He earned that rank. Respect that.", ">\n\nBack the blue and pay for their stupid lawsuits with your tax dollars.", ">\n\nGood man, taking them to a federal court instead of settling in state.", ">\n\nThat cop is obese as fuck. Probably just jealous of the actual soldier", ">\n\nWhy does this remind me so much of the opening of First Blood (Rambo)?", ">\n\nSooooo Blue lives matter but not Our Troops? k got it.", ">\n\nI like how cops stroke their own dicks so hard for being ex-army etc. And then they turn around and think it's a smart idea to fuck with army in uniform.", ">\n\nThis will get buried and I'll just Google it later, but I wonder: to what level do you have an obligation to 'step out of the vehicle ' when a cop demands you to?", ">\n\nI remember this one. Hope he takes them for everything!", ">\n\n\nthe police officers deny the allegations against them in a court filing.\n\nYeah ok buddy, video say's you're a lying bitch.", ">\n\nImagine having guns drawn for a license plate violation, as a first response. \nJesus fucking christ", ">\n\nIt's been years since I last saw this video, hard to believe things are just now starting on this. This is why people take things into their own hands, our justice system rarely works unless the government can profit from your incarceration with no contest.", ">\n\nHopefully he takes them to the cleaners. I can’t stand a racist POS.", ">\n\nI hope these policemen lose their job and rot in jail. As a European, I'm amazed again and again by how aggressive and dangerous to citizens the US police force is. Especially if you're the wrong skin color.", ">\n\nSo f’ing gross of them. Windsor is about 15 min from where I live. Shame on those officers.", ">\n\nI hope this is a massive win for this guy.", ">\n\nThey didn’t even care that he was in uniform. What a joke.", ">\n\nI’ve driven by that station on the way to the beach… its a long dark road and I don’t blame him for driving until he found someplace safe", ">\n\nSuing for only a million? Dude, hammer to fall on those two and the system that raised them.", ">\n\nLooks like police stupidity and arrogance will create another millionaire.", ">\n\ndumbass cops. they had a legit reason to ticket him, not doing after all the drama makes it look like they just wanted to bully him.", ">\n\nOnly asking for 1 million? He deserves a hell of a lot more $ than that.", ">\n\nI remember when this happened! SO glad he’s suing. Fuck cops.", ">\n\nGood! That arrest was unconstitutional.", ">\n\nHope is lawsuit is a speedy success. He should get triple what he is asking. These actions are deplorable.", ">\n\n\"I'm honestly afraid to get out\"\n\"Yeah you should be\"\nwrong response, officer.\nI remember this video when it surfaced a couple years ago, nothing looks good on the cops' side, and that their attorney tried to toss the case." ]

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[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts.", ">\n\nWear a mask." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts.", ">\n\nWear a mask.", ">\n\nCES 2023 : Iran Version" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts.", ">\n\nWear a mask.", ">\n\nCES 2023 : Iran Version", ">\n\nFuck the hijab laws, dude You fucks, let them understand the religion for themselves." ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts.", ">\n\nWear a mask.", ">\n\nCES 2023 : Iran Version", ">\n\nFuck the hijab laws, dude You fucks, let them understand the religion for themselves.", ">\n\nHumanity : Manages to trick flat rock into thinking by putting thunder in it.\nThen proceeds to use it to become violent over a piece of clothing" ]

[ "Double down, triple down...\nWhat do these old \"religious\" fools hope to accomplish here?", ">\n\nMaking the imaginary sky person happy.", ">\n\n\"Oh shit, it's all of them.\"", ">\n\nJust gonna be a bunch of hijabless women with fake glass and nose on.", ">\n\nOr they could have cutouts for their breasts and wear a mask.", ">\n\nThe war on women continues…", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nIran's government has monitored social media to identify opponents of the regime for years, Grothe says, but if government claims about the use of face recognition are true, it's the first instance she knows of a government using the technology to enforce gender-related dress law.\nSome face recognition in use in Iran today comes from Chinese camera and artificial intelligence company Tiandy.\nDespite deploying repressive technology and mass surveillance, in the past month both China and Iran have witnessed some of the largest protests either nation has seen in decades.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Iran^#1 surveillance^#2 government^#3 technology^#4 face^#5", ">\n\nI have an old Reagan Halloween mask ... think I'll send it over with my warmest regards. \nAnyone else?!?", ">\n\nIran needs to get their ass wooped the same way they treat their females", ">\n\nIt's not just iran, it's any country that allows religion to set policy.", ">\n\nThat also mean you, Texas and Florida. No buts.", ">\n\nWear a mask.", ">\n\nCES 2023 : Iran Version", ">\n\nFuck the hijab laws, dude You fucks, let them understand the religion for themselves.", ">\n\nHumanity : Manages to trick flat rock into thinking by putting thunder in it.\nThen proceeds to use it to become violent over a piece of clothing", ">\n\ni really want to go inside the minds of those religious extremists. i want to understand why they care about such trivial issues more than economy or healthcare or education. there are many issues that need more attention and they are focusing on this. what's the hell is wrong with them?" ]

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[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now.", ">\n\nWe wont accept a nation at war. After im all for it, but I dont wanna fight, its not my war, im hella not going to war" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now.", ">\n\nWe wont accept a nation at war. After im all for it, but I dont wanna fight, its not my war, im hella not going to war", ">\n\nThe war will end at some point, and whatever is left of ukraine will need protection further russian aggression." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now.", ">\n\nWe wont accept a nation at war. After im all for it, but I dont wanna fight, its not my war, im hella not going to war", ">\n\nThe war will end at some point, and whatever is left of ukraine will need protection further russian aggression.", ">\n\nJust gotta make sure Crimea becomes a part of NATO to run it in Putins face" ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now.", ">\n\nWe wont accept a nation at war. After im all for it, but I dont wanna fight, its not my war, im hella not going to war", ">\n\nThe war will end at some point, and whatever is left of ukraine will need protection further russian aggression.", ">\n\nJust gotta make sure Crimea becomes a part of NATO to run it in Putins face", ">\n\nCrimea is part of Ukraine. Ukraine joining NATO would mean Ukraine had retake all its occupied territory or formally relinquished it to Russia, which doesn't seem likely." ]

[ "We can't even get Finland and Sweden in and those should be the easiest \"yeses\" in the history of yeses.", ">\n\nI know Finland is trying to be a good neighbour as always, but if Turkey and Hungary say they'll approve Finland they should join first to get the ball rolling, and it does seem like Turkey might approve Finland on its own right now. Finland has plenty of Swedes anyways that Stockholm would want protected. \nFinland can then push for Sweden's membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. Assuming Lithuania means let a free and fully liberated Ukraine into NATO after the war, that seems like an easy yes also. Not sure if it's realistic or not, but if they're fully liberated then absolutely.\nEdit: Looks like the above poster can't handle every NATO member's veto. They sent a long, aggressive PM about it. Yes, it sucks, but complaining here about the veto mechanism in a military pact helps no one when we can at least get one country past the finish line. From a practical standpoint, even just Finland in NATO would still be a net gain. Hopefully Sweden is permitted entry down the road as well, but if Turkey won't block Finland there's really no need for Finland to wait. Simply wipe the Cheeto dust off your fingers and look at a map. I love Sweden, Ukraine and Finland, and if we can get any of the three in then that's a positive.", ">\n\n\ncan then push for Sweden’s membership from within NATO. The more the merrier. \n\nHow would that change the status quo in any meaningful way? \nNATO approval needs unanimous consent, two countries are dicking around, and Finland has no major political power over them.", ">\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Nausėda intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance’s summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine’s membership, according to his adviser. \nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO.\n“In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won’t hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,” Asta Skaisgirytė told LRT TV on Sunday.\n“Maybe the Turks themselves, they are the ones we need to talk to. We need to give them additional arguments why we see Ukraine’s NATO membership as a logical step on their path of rapprochement with the allies,” she said when asked which capitals the president would visit.\nAccording to Skaisgirytė, Lithuania has repeatedly supported Ukraine in its quest for NATO or European Union membership.\n\n...\n\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\nThis is the first time the summit is being held in Lithuania and will take place on 11-12 July.\nThe agenda in Vilnius will focus on strengthening the alliance’s collective defence and deterrence and increasing support to Ukraine.", ">\n\nSounds a lot like a pre-election tour. Next they're gonna double the wages and promise more of the good stuff.", ">\n\nProbably is, since he's most definitely not getting re-elected, considering he hasn't really been a good president in a lot of peoples eyes during his years.", ">\n\nI think this is more of a PR move. If NATO wants to be in war with Russia, why don't just go for it? Because this is probably what would happen anyway. In reality I think many countries wouldn't accept Ukraine at all. It's just better for everyone to just keep maintaining them and giving them all the weapons they need. They are winning and the west is already giving better and better weapons with time. If the f16 rumour is really true plus the patriot battery from both Germany and US arrive, Russia will be in a tougher spot soon", ">\n\nWould be interesting if the patriot battery delivery leads to a su-57 being shot down", ">\n\nConsidering all Intel points to the felons being flown deep in Russian airspace. May be hard to do. \nBut this war has proven to me that I have absolutely no idea how dumb Russia really is. I once feared them, now I hate and laugh at them.", ">\n\nYeah I think if a su-57 is destroyed it’s gonna be on the tarmac via partisan activity and not anti air missile capabilities", ">\n\nThe drones could do it, the distance to Akhbutinsk is about the same as Engels, there has been at least 6 air frames reported there, not to mention a whole bunch of Mig 31s and SU-34s", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 56%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nPresident Gitanas Naus?da intends to visit the capitals of NATO member states ahead of the alliance's summit in Vilnius to build support for Ukraine's membership, according to his adviser.\nIn particular, the adviser said, the president will try to convince countries like Turkey that are sceptical about Ukraine joining NATO. \"In fact, before the summit, Lithuanian President Gitanas Naus?da is going to visit some NATO capitals to talk about what could be achieved during the summit in Vilnius. And I won't hide the fact that these capitals are not necessarily the capitals of our allies,\" Asta Skaisgiryt? told LRT TV on Sunday.\nThe foreign ministry has indicated to BNS that around 40 delegations from NATO member and partner countries are expected at the 2023 NATO summit in Vilnius, with initial estimates indicating that around 5,000 people will attend the event and accompany delegations.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: NATO^#1 Ukraine^#2 member^#3 capitals^#4 summit^#5", ">\n\nThe CEE countries understand why Ukraine in NATO is necessary. It was 20 years ago and same now.", ">\n\nWe wont accept a nation at war. After im all for it, but I dont wanna fight, its not my war, im hella not going to war", ">\n\nThe war will end at some point, and whatever is left of ukraine will need protection further russian aggression.", ">\n\nJust gotta make sure Crimea becomes a part of NATO to run it in Putins face", ">\n\nCrimea is part of Ukraine. Ukraine joining NATO would mean Ukraine had retake all its occupied territory or formally relinquished it to Russia, which doesn't seem likely.", ">\n\nYup Lithuania will be the one to get Ukraine in NATO. I like the optimism even if it is completely comical." ]

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