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3/16/1990

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Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness Part 1

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Public Program Day 1, "Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness". Hilton hotel, Sydney (Australia), 16 March 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. You have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot conceptualise it with our human awareness. We cannot order it, we cannot manipulate it, we cannot organise it. It is what it is, has been and will be. And what is the truth? Truth is that we are surrounded or we are penetrated or we are nourished, looked after and loved by a very subtle energy which is the energy of divine love. The second truth is that we are not this body, this mind, these conditionings, this ego, but we are the Spirit. You don’t have to accept what I’m saying blindly, because blind faith leads to fanaticism. But as scientists you must keep your minds open and see for yourself what I’m saying: if it is so, honestly you must accept it. We know so much through science about our civilisation, our advancement. This is the advancement of a tree which has grown outside very much; but if we do not know our roots, we’ll be destroyed. So, it is important to know about our roots. And this is what it is that I would say are our roots. As you can see, there are seven centres within us, and these subtle centres are placed in the spinal cord and in the brain. These cater to our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual needs. On the physical side they manifest the energy for the use of our plexuses which look after our physical problems. That is on the right side, the energy which is supplied by this yellow line, a subtle channel – we call it as the Pingala Nadi – this supplies energy for our physical and mental actions. So, this is the power of action within us which also caters to the right sympathetic nervous system. The another channel you see on the left-hand side is the channel by which we desire, put our energy to our desire. So, this is the power of desire and looks after our emotions. This is the one which looks after our conditionings also. At the end of these two channels they create two institutions: one on the right-side crosses over, and the yellow balloon that you see is the ego, is the balloon of ego that we have; and the left-hand side one that, which conditions our mind is the balloon of superego. As we start growing in age, by the time we are twelve years of age, these two completely meet and the soft bone in our head becomes completely calcified. Now there’s third energy within us which is in the centre, and this central energy is the one which has made us human beings. And these centres are the milestones of our evolution. So now the last jumping is left out. It has reached up to the limbic area. Now, only thing, it has to break through the soft bone in the, on the head and break through that, which is the actualisation of baptism. Baptism is not an artificial thing – it is an actualisation. But the energy that does it is, we call it sleeping energy, in the triangular bone called as sacrum. That means the Greeks knew that this is a sacred bone, that they called it 'sacrum'. This energy has to rise and break through that fontanel bone area and connect us to that subtle divine Power which we have never felt during human awareness. Thus, we get connected to this divine Power, and we start feeling it on our fingertips. It’s described in the Koran that, “At the time of resurrection your hands will speak, and they will give witness against you.” That is, you start feeling your own centres – these are five, six and seven centres – and they indicate what’s wrong with you within yourself, what’s the problem. Also, you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Because this sleeping power which is called as the Kundalini – ‘kundala’ means ‘coils’ – is the power of pure desire within us. (Disturbance by a man in the audience.) What’s he talking? Ah… This is the result, you know, of tensions, on modern tensions. So many such things are happening. People have no peace. That’s what I say, the tree has outgrown itself: it must find its roots. In America they say there are fifty-five per cent people who suffer from terrible nervousness, and at least thirty per cent people have got schizophrenia. It’s a very dangerous thing. If we don’t understand how delicately we are made and to realise that we are human beings, the epitome of evolution, we are going to land in great difficulties. We may try to run away from reality, but reality will have an effect on us. Now, so now we have this kind of a mechanism within us existing. Now this is a living process of evolution, and you must understand that we don’t pay for living process, and we can’t even explain it; because when you take a small little seed and put it in the Mother Earth, it germinates by itself spontaneously. You don’t pay to the Mother Earth anything. And when it germinates, it grows into a tree and produces thousands of seeds. So, in that little seed the map of all the things it was going to create is there. How it works, we never ask this question. We take all the things for granted. We don’t even ask the question how this wonderful eye of ours is made like a camera, and that how we are programmed within ourselves like computers. You see this is the colour; you don’t have to think about – it’s there. Through our sensory organs, how we find out things: we’d never question it. But to answer now all our questions, we have to become the divine computer. And that’s why we have to be connected to the mains. I call them, as the people who are self-realised, the people who have got their Spirit in their attention. When the attention is enlightened through this happening, then you can see the absolute truth. Like supposing you are holding on to a snake and there’s darkness, and somebody tells – there is darkness – “But you have got a snake in your hand. I can see it”, you’ll say, “No, I think it is a rope.” Now if you put on the light, immediately that person will drop. In the same way, when the attention gets enlightened by the Spirit, the first nature, innate nature of the Spirit is that it manifests absolute truth. You immediately become so empowered that you give up all those habits which are destructive to your life – immediately. I have seen people giving up drugs overnight in London, alcoholism, all kinds of things. I was amazed the way it’s working. It’s your own power within you; it's just there, is existing. There’s no obligation of any kind, it’s just one enlightened candle can enlighten another candle. That’s how it works. And it has to work – otherwise, as I told you, we are standing on the brink of destruction. Leave alone things like drugs and things we take to escape reality, there are so many diseases that have come up and coming up that it is going to be very difficult for us to exist on this Mother Earth after some time: ecological problems, the uncertainty of life, the insecurities that are built within us. So many conditionings we have. How to get rid of them? How to be cleansed is a very big problem today. And for that I think it is important that we have to get our Self-realisation. We talk, “My, my body, my hand, my mind, my ego” – but which is this “my”? Which is the “I” behind it? And when doctors also talk about the autonomous nervous system, they don’t say what is this "auto", who is this "auto". We say, “Automobile” – so there is a driver sitting driving the car. But who is driving this car? That is what we have to find out. And that "auto" is the Spirit within us. Unless and until the connection with the Divine is established, all other efforts are really fruitless. And that’s why many people ask Me why all the religions are fighting among themselves, why people who believe in God are fighting among themselves; why they are so sinful, why aren’t they so good. The reason is, they have not found the truth as yet. Just believing in any God or being born in any religion doesn’t make you a righteous person at all: anybody following any religion can commit any sin. There’s no bondage. But when this Kundalini rises into that green part, as you see – we call it as a Void: is the area which is like a bridging – very significant it is. Like Moses bridged; in the same way, this is the bridging. And this bridging, when it takes place you can cross over this ocean of illusion, as we say. But actually, this ocean of illusion is representing our ten valencies within us. We have ten valencies, ten dharmas, ten – our innate nature as human beings. So, when Kundalini rises into this area, it enlightens this area, and a person who is a realised soul doesn’t do anything wrong. He doesn’t cheat, he doesn’t bribe, he’s not frightened. He’s so courageous, he’s so compassionate, he’s so dynamic, he’s so loving. This is only possible when you are innately religious. Unless and until that happens, the religion outside, the man-made religion, cannot give you what it is promising you. And that’s why people are surprised that there is a big difference between the practice and precepts of religion. Every religion has said that, “You seek your Self.” So, there was nothing wrong with all the prophets, incarnations, all the saints. They all said the same thing. But we have missed the point. Everything has become either money-oriented or is an intellectual, intellectual probing. It is through intellectual probing you reach a point where you realise that you have not reached the reality. So, what should we do? And this is a very great gift of modern times which was promised long time back. Is described already in our Puranas that at the time, these modern times called as Kali Yuga, the Paramachaitanya or this all-pervading Power will become active – means there is Krita Yuga, it will become active – and through it, thousands of people will get their Realisation. Even in the Bible they have said that it’s quite a limited number. John the [Saint] – John has written in his “Revelation” it’s quite a limited number, but we have already crossed that. And so many people have to become realised souls. It’s very important today, and it’s so easy. "Sahaja": 'saha' is 'with', 'ja' is 'born': 'born with you'. Is the right to become one with the Divine, united with the Divine – that is "Yoga". "Yoga” is nothing but to be united with that divine Power. That’s what "Yoga" is; all other things are subsidiary. This union brings forth new dimensions on our central nervous system. As a evolution, we always develop a new dimension. By this you develop a new awareness of collective consciousness, by which you can feel other people, their centres. Sitting down here you can feel the centre of somebody – somebody who is dead, even you can feel his centres and find out what he was: was he a realised soul or not? You can find out about anybody whether he was a realised soul or not, sitting down here. You have to just think about him, put your hands. If you are a realised soul you can feel on your fingertips what is the problem. And somehow if you know how to correct those problems, you get rid of your own diseases and the diseases of others, your own problems and the problems of others. First, you enter into a state of mind which we call as “thoughtless awareness.” When you cross this centre of Agnya that is placed in the optic chiasma, you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware, but there is no thought. What a blessing it is! Say, I see a carpet here, it’s beautiful. And when I look at it if I start thinking, “What a good carpet!", if it is Mine it’s a very big headache because I’ll be thinking, “I hope it goes home, is already insured, is not lost, is not spoilt” – all kinds of worries about this carpet. Thank God it’s not Mine! So, I’ll look at it, still I start thinking, "How much I should pay to get it, from where can I get it?" – all these thoughts coming. But if I look at it without any thoughts, then the joy of its creation, to whomsoever it may belong, so-called, starts pouring on Me like beautiful flow of joy. Whatever the artist has put into it, all his joy starts pouring, that peace and that joyous feeling within Me when I don’t think about it. Thinking makes a person mad, creates lots of problems. Too much thinking is wasteful, also. As I’ll tell you about the second centre we have here, tomorrow, about the second centre, that by thinking, how many diseases you get. The other day I was in a radio station and the gentleman was asking Me, “How can I get rid of my diabetes? You say that by thinking it happens.” I said, “Yes.” Because in India if they have to take tea in a village, the sugar is put so much that the spoon must stand at right angle! And nobody gets diabetes. But people who are sedentary, planning too much – I mean mostly, say, bureaucrats, diplomats, politicians – they are very vulnerable. What is the reason for that, which I’ll explain to you tomorrow, how we get all these diseases because we think too much and we cannot stop thinking. But so far, we have to understand that we are all on the, either on the right side or on the left side. We are not in the centre. The centres are like this, I would say: the left and the right, and the left side and the right side join together to make the centre. Now supposing you are right-sided – means you are using too much of your physical or mental aptitudes, you are planning for future, you are very futuristic – then this starts extracting energy from this centre and starts moving to the left, right, starts moving to the right. At the same time if something happens on the left side and you get a jerk, it is broken. Then you are vulnerable to diseases which we call as psychosomatic, because this is the one is the somatic and this is the psycho. And these diseases cannot be cured. Because if somebody’s a doctor then he doesn’t know about psychology; somebody is psychologist, he doesn’t know the medicine. I mean, we have doctors for one eye and another doctor for another eye! We have gone to that limit of specialisation. This is the science of integration. Is not a science of specialisation but integration, because this is one body which has got the nose, eyes, ears, all stuck to one body. And this is one personality, and we have to deal with this personality as a whole. But if you start treating it like one for the nose, one for the ears, it’s not going to work out. So, when this Kundalini rises through these centres it brings them back to normal, to the balance, integrates them one with another and connects them with the mains from where the energy flows inside. And that’s how you become very dynamic, you don’t get tired, you feel very young, you never feel your age; and you are extremely compassionate and kind, and you love to do good to others. It is so much I have to tell you. Now Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations, and working out very well. The most surprising place was USSR. And now the people are saying, “Mother, You have been working for twenty years in the West and only went last year to USSR, and You have more Sahaja Yogis there than You have all over the world.” Not in India: we have many more, of course, because they know about it, they were not ignorant, so it’s all right – if you forget India. I don’t know what’s so special about them that they could see this so clearly. And one of the snags of Sahaja Yoga is that you cannot pay for it. And this really is the very great snag, I think because a gentleman from BBC in England told Me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything that can be done without money. I said, “Who has made this brain, God or somebody else?” It’s very surprising! And even in, I went to Toronto – no, Boston – and they said, “How many Rolls-Royces You’ve got?” I said, “I have none, because I don’t take any money. Whatever I have is of My husband’s.” They said, “Then we are not interested. You have to be in the business.” It’s very shocking, this kind of a attitude towards Divine. I said, “How much money did you pay to Christ?” Today also there was a question from a radio, and they asked Me, “You don’t take any money; then how do You travel?” I said, “So far, for quite some time I was travelling with My husband’s money, no doubt. But now we have so many Sahaja Yogis and they have some self-respect, and they don’t pay Me, they pay to the travel agents, not to Me. They don’t want I to pay for them – then tomorrow will say, "All right, You pay for our food also!’” I mean, any self-respecting people can understand that. So, if somebody does not take money, they go to that limit that even I should pay for their salvation, coming to their place I should pay for the hall, I should pay for everything. This kind of a brain – oh, it’s not all, all of you are not Anglo-Saxon, I hope so! – I can’t understand. And that’s why it has not come up to the point where it should have. On the contrary, I must say Russians are very brave people. With the war they have become very strong. On the contrary, in other countries I have seen with the war they have become very nervous, very frightened. And immediately they took to Sahaja Yoga for one point, that you cannot pay for it. They could see it, that you can’t pay because it’s a living process. Is such a wisdom that clicked. You won’t believe, in England, I was fighting with seven hippies for four years: the questions, the bombardment and – too much! I was about to give up. They just thought that it’s something to be attacked. And that’s the reason they attacked all the saints, all the incarnations and all the prophets. But I hope now everybody realises that we are in trouble. We are all in trouble. We don’t know what’s going to happen next day. We might get into cancer, might get into some other trouble. We might have any problem that we do not know about. We are not sure of our future. So, it is better that we get our special energy that is within us, we get ourselves enlightened and take to something that will make us much wiser, healthier, joyous and knowledgeable. “Knowledge” does not mean what you know through your brains, but on your central nervous system. That’s what everybody said, that the time has come – it’s a blossom time, I call it. There are thousands and thousands who can get Realisation. It’s such a great blessing that we could have en masse Realisation. On the Tree of Life there would have been only one or two flowers to begin with, but today I call it a blossom time. Is actually the Day of Judgment, but “blossom times” seems better to say – is more promising. I hope tonight we all will get Realisation and enjoy ourselves. May God bless you all! I would like you to ask Me some questions, because today is a first day. I’m sorry, the mike was not all right so they started very late, they said. The musicians have come from India – and you’d be amazed that Australians, Swiss, Germans, English, all of them have learned Sanskrit songs and Marathi songs, which is such a difficult language, all these songs – and they have learnt English songs. It was impossible to teach an Englishman one sentence in Hindi. One gentleman asked Me, “What do you say to the ‘close the door’?” So, My father told him, “You just say ‘there was a banker.’ That means ‘you close the door’! And for opening the door you say ‘there was a cold day.’ That’s how you will say ‘open the door’!” So, it was so difficult, and I’m amazed how through Sahaja Yoga they have become so dynamic. We have got many artists now flowering out. In your country itself there are so many artists who have come out of Sahaja Yoga. They are very well known here. Also, great potters and ceramic makers have come out of this. It’s working on this part, on this area of creativity, and lots of musicians have become great musicians in India. It’s working out in another direction in England, that people are writing books and they have become good orators who would never come on the stage. So, this is on a worldly level, we should say. But they themselves are so patient and so loving that the happiest thing I would like to tell you is that twenty-five Germans rushed to USSR, to Russia, to help Me to give Realisation to Russians. It was very touching, really, to see Germans should feel that innately that it’s their duty to give them Realisation. They spent their own money coming down there. It’s rather difficult to go to Russia because you have to pay for the hotels beforehand and all that. They did all that and they were there. It’s a beautiful that’s happening in the world, very beautiful people. And the way they admire each other and adore, it’s wonderful. So, I would expect you to ask Me some questions. But the questions should be relevant because I’m not here to aggress you, I’m here just to give you what you have, your own property. So, there’s no need to be aggressive with Me or to be angry with Me. I’ve not come here to take anything from you. So, in a sensible way, whatever you want to ask please ask, and we should not waste also time of other people who are anxious to have their Realisation. Seeker: Is Mr. Gorbachev realised?Shri Mataji: Yes, he is very much. Thank God for that!Seeker: What about Mr. Bush then?Shri Mataji: Who?Seeker: Mr. Bush. Shri Mataji: You can give him Realisation. You can. Seeker: What for? Shri Mataji: It’s better not to ask about that. You see, even Americans don’t understand sometimes that if Gorbachev has opted for democracy he’s not opted for an American style of democracy, because American democracy has not created a very good atmosphere. It’s a, if you go to America you can’t even wear a wedding ring. They can kill you even for a wedding ring. Such a situation is there. Horrible!And I was going once on a Los Angeles road and the one who was driving Me told Me that “Mother, put down Your head.” I said, “Why?” And he said, “On this road last week eleven people were killed.” I said, “Why?” “For the heck of it.” I said, “For the heck of it? So mad?” So that democracy has not created a good society, not good society. They have money, that’s all. But money is also not so much well-balanced, I would say; it doesn’t create good people, good children, good families. It should be the money which is auspicious, which should create good atmosphere. And very sick people there are: certain are very silly also, stupid. Like eighty-two-year-old people, cinema actors and actresses, going for a shake dance – they’re already shaking! I mean, this I can’t understand. And they, they want to ride horses at the age of ninety-two years of age. And then they fall down and die. What is the need at ninety-two to ride a horse? I mean, there’s no maturity. If democracy cannot mature you, then it’s not nourishing. It must mature; you must become a wiser person. If you still remain a sixteen-year-old brat, what’s the use? So, it has failed somewhere. As communism has failed, it has also failed. But Gorbachev could see. Mr Bush has to also see that. Also, the way they are supporting these Azerbaijanis – they’re horrible people, these Azerbaijani. I’ve been there, I’ve been to Samarkand and I’ve been to all these places, and they were rolling in luxuries, rolling in luxuries when I went there, thousand time better than their neighbours, Afghanis. But they said, “We are very miserable because we can’t follow Islam.” But I said, “Why do you want to follow Islam? What Islam has done good or Christianity has done good? Why are you so much anxious to follow Islam?” “No, we must have.” And now the Iranians are penetrating that, and if you support these Azerbaijanis you are supporting the Iranians and their fundamentalism. So, there’s no thought given to it. It’s not a proper vision; it’s a very blurred vision. One should see clearly what we are doing, who are we helping. There should be some principle in what we are doing. Imagine, Abraham Lincoln who started, who was a Realized soul himself, and how far you have taken him there? And there’s only one single road somewhere in his name. I mean, nobody bothers about the principles he established. So, something has gone wrong there. So, we must sit back and see that what’s wrong with our democracy. And in all these democratic countries all kinds of false gurus have prospered, because everybody has freedom to give the money to whosoever they like. Yes? These two ladies …. All right, you ask first. Sahaja Yogi: She’s been doing yoga for fifteen years. And she says she has reached all these points that You have mentioned, but she is weak on her left side. Can You help her?Shri Mataji: Yah. It’s just the outcome of the modern yoga, absolutely. Actually, Patanjali has written such a big book on Hatha Yoga. Nobody reads that. Only they have taken a wee, wee, wee part of it, which is ashtanga, means there are eight portions out of which one portion is yam niyam, out of which it’s one-eighth of the portion is about exercise, the physical. But that also is to be used when your Kundalini is rising and you see the defects in your spinal cord, or anywhere in your chakras: then you must know if there is any need for a physical correction – all right? But the way we are doing now Hatha Yoga is like taking all the medicines of the medicine box inside, without any discrimination. So, when we pay so much attention to the physical side, we go to the right side and left side is neglected. There’s an imbalance. And you develop lots of physical troubles also – physical. Like these days jogging is a fashion, so everybody’s jogging. Everybody wants to be a cinema actress, or might be a beauty competition – I don’t know what they want. And they don’t understand that we are human beings, we are delicately made. Even old people of eighty years are jogging, for what? And then they get heart attacks, serious troubles. So, this kind of a Hatha Yoga weakens your left side to such an extent that a woman may not be able to produce a child, even. Apart from that, a man who does Hatha Yoga of this kind is such a hot-tempered fellow, like an oven, that you’d better approach that person with a barge-pole! God knows when he’ll jump on you. But in Sahaja Yoga you’ll achieve your balance. So, don’t, not to do so many exercises now, discriminately understanding which one you want, you have to do – that much you should do. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Then there’s one lady here who raised the hand. Seeker: How can you tell whether you are acting from intuition or if it’s just the desire of the moment?Shri Mataji: You mean you are asking Me or about yourself?Seeker: In a general sense. How can you tell the difference?Shri Mataji: Because you have not reached that state of Self-realisation. In Self-realisation if you ask a question, any question: say, somebody says, “I don’t believe in God.” All right, ask a question, “Is there God?” three times, and you get a beautiful wind coming on you. “Was Christ the Son of God?” Ask this question: you get it. Then ask about some horrid guru who has been lynching you, and you will get burns, might get even blisters. But unless and until you are a realised soul, you have to – it’s not easy to make it out. The only thing, you have to be connected first of all and to be established. Then you reach a state of doubtless awareness, from the thoughtless awareness. And then you become tremendous. Sahaja Yogi: There’s one right at the back. Seeker: Does your Realisation take place instantly or does it take place gradually?Shri Mataji: It takes instantly, My child. It should. Most of the cases it has to; it’s so spontaneous. There was a saint called Ramdas who was the guru of Shivaji, a great king in India – a realised soul, again – and somebody asked that saint, “How much time does it take for the Kundalini to rise?” And in Sanskrit he said, “Tatkshane” – means “That moment.” That moment. But there has to be the person who gives you Realisation authorised by the Divine, and the one who is a seeker of truth. I mean, I’m Myself surprised the way it’s happening today, everywhere. These days it’s really very surprising that the Divine is so anxious to give you Realisation. Many people ask Me, “Mother, why do You give Realisation to so many people?” I said, “How can I limit it? Now it has become limitless.”Some, like the parable of Christ, fall in the marshy land and just sprouted and lost – I know that. But they’ll come back; I’m sure they’ll come back. But some do prosper very fast and settle down. Imagine in a place like Russia, I thought this must be just wilderness, there I find beautiful things happening. They, they never talked of God, they never talked of religion, they never talked of spirituality. And openly I talked of God and everything; nobody arrested Me there. Here, we who worship God and who have so many churches, who have so many temples and mosques and all that, you have – I have to move like a criminal! Except for their church or their mosque or their temples, you are a "cult"; while they take all the money, everything – they are very money-oriented and power-oriented also – but you are a "cult"! Is very funny. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, please? There’s still the another gentleman also? …. Shri Mataji: All right. They need to ask Me ….Seeker: Mother, I’ve been trying for about two months, but I don’t feel any cool breeze up here.Shri Mataji: You feel it in your hands?Seeker: No, I don’t.Shri Mataji: All right, we’ll see about it. After the program – ah, definitely today you’ll feel it. Seeker: Where in the seven centres would You place instinct? Shri Mataji: You see, “instinct” is a very confusing word – all right? In the seventh centre when you arrive, you arrive in the limbic area. And limbic area has got the seven seats of seven centres. So, you cannot say that any particular place is the instinct, but the instinct comes from the Divine. So, when it is connected with the Divine, you receive it in your brain and it’s transmitted to your nerves. Also, it is transmitted to your centres, nourishing it. So, you cannot categorise it. Yes, what is it? Ask, ask! Sahaja Yogi: He finds it very confusing: what is mind, what is a thought and what is thinking?)Shri Mataji: I think tomorrow I’m going to talk about thinking. In that I’ll tell you everything – all right? Can you keep it for tomorrow, please? All right? Tomorrow I’ll tell you. Seeker: Got food anything to do with this process or technique?Shri Mataji: You see, any kind of food that you eat has to be suitable for your temperament, your prakriti. It has to be suitable. Supposing you are a very right-sided person, then it’s better for you to take more to carbohydrates. But supposing you are a left-sided person, is better for you to take to proteins. There’s no hard and fast rule about it. It has to be complementary to your nature. That’s how we decide. Every individual has a different temperament, and accordingly, we have to decide what sort of food one should take. … Sahaja Yogi: Two questions, Shri Mother. One, are You a vegetarian? And secondly, does the soul have a memory? Shri Mataji: All right. About Me you’d better discover. You see, I don’t talk about Myself. The reason is this: anybody who tried to seek, say anything about oneself or claim anything, people have been very nasty. Christ said, “I am the Son of God” – which is a fact. They crucified Him. He didn’t tell a lie. So, I’m very tactful! So, you first get your Realisation, because I don’t want to get crucified just now; I want to postpone it as much as possible! So about Me you can find out, once you get your Realisation, is better. What is the second?Sahaja Yogi: Does the soul have a memory?Shri Mataji: Soul has a memory, of course, it has. Soul also is another subject which will take at least three, four lectures, and I have given lectures on that. You can take the tape and see for yourself, and after Realisation, you can see those dead souls also and also you can see the Chaitanya, these vibrations, as small little commas shining. After Realisation, you see them. And now there are lots of discoveries have been made which I’ve said about soul, which you can also see from my tapes and can hear about it. It’s a very long subject. All right? Seeker: He has some artificial heart valves and things in his body, and he wonders if a person who has artificial organs can obtain Self-realisation. Shri Mataji: Of course, you can. Anybody who is living can get Realisation. Because you are living because there is the Spirit within you. The day the Spirit disappears from your heart, we are no more. On the contrary, your heart condition will improve, very much. Many people who had bypass got rid of it. Many people who had angina got completely cured. Many heart patients were cured completely. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, now, you ask. Now she is asking. … Can you hear her? Little loudly, can you? Seeker: Apparently the authors of a lot of these chakra books say that each chakra corresponds to a different … areas. (Question continues: … corroboration of your soul, of your being. Is that actually true? Like as in the chakra here.) Shri Mataji: Agnya. Seeker: Yeah. If, they say that if that’s opened, you are able to perceive things in other beings; like you’re able to see where they have been and … or you are able to use psychic powers and things, you know? Is that actually true? Shri Mataji: Yes. Now, this chakra is very important. This chakra of Agnya which is on the optic chiasma is a very important centre. It is a very constricted thing, and the resurrection of Christ has solved the problem for us because He was resurrected and He’s bestowed upon on this chakra. He’s the ruling deity of this chakra. So, when Kundalini awakens Him on this chakra, He sucks in these two balloons, as I told you: ego and superego. Now the ego and superego are controlled by two organs or two things, what we call as the pituitary and the pineal. So, this centre controls pituitary and the pineal part. Also, it is on the optic chiasma. So, you can see things clearly through it. When it is awakened, you start seeing subtler things. But if you see the light, then it’s not correct. That means you have moved to the right because you see elements on the right side. You may see also the past: you may, you may see Krishna; you may see somebody, the past. What you have to see, whatever you see, you are not that. Supposing I see the light, I am not the light. So, you have to be the light. So, this movement is deviation from reality. Either to the right, to the left, is not correct and should not be considered as some achievement, because seeing gives you nothing. Being gives you. It is becoming; you have to become. All right? Sahaja Yogi: Now, is there? Seeker: Are our actions governed by free will, or is it just fate? Shri Mataji: It’s free will, absolute free will. You have come here with your free will, and I respect your free will, your freedom. If you don’t want to have Self-realisation, it cannot be forced, it cannot be done. It respects your free will. You can only get it if you in free will, in your free glory, you want to have it. In a way, of course, it does help people who live in moderation; but as I told you, the Divine is so anxious that whatever you might have been, you get your Realisation, sort of a thing happening today. That’s what I’ve seen it. So that’s what you should expect. And shouldn’t think of your past at all. Forget it. Yes? Seeker: What then of karma? Shri Mataji: Karma, as I told you, is sucked in. When the Kundalini rises through this centre, She’s sucked in those two institutions. One of them is of ego. Is the only ego, tells us we are doing karmas. Animals don’t feel they are committing sins or doing karmas; only we, because we have ego. This ego is sucked in. So, all our karmas are finished. They said Christ has died for our sins, and that is proved. So far … Seeker: In regard to reincarnation, do humans come back as humans? Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Some of them do come from animal stage also, because that we can explain why they behave like this! Seeker: Mother, I’ve been getting very powerful sensations on this finger here and this area here. What is the cause of that disturbance …? Shri Mataji: What is the feeling? In the Agnya, here? Here and here. You are feeling heat? Seeker: Pain on top of that finger and a small, a kind of heat and pain there … Shri Mataji: Here? All right. You don’t worry about the cause. We’ll correct it. All right? It’s, it’s better not to know about it. It’s nothing serious but still… You see, this may be that – what is your job? Seeker: I don’t have a job. I was in an auto accident last year and I’ve been incapacitated since. Shri Mataji: Incapacitated? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: How? Seeker: Injuries to both legs and right up to my abdomen, right up to my chest. Shri Mataji: What he said? Sahaja Yogi: He’s had severe injuries to both legs and his torso up to his chest. Shri Mataji: And on your left hand, what are you feeling? Seeker: A lot of pain in that finger there and a pain just here which is in line with the third finger. Shri Mataji: All of them? Sahaja Yogi: The right Vishuddhi, Shri Mother. Seeker: And this one here. Shri Mataji: All right. So, this is, this is definitely connected with your body and that has to be corrected, that’s all. All right? Then you won’t feel anything. Seeker: Why do we take on the physical state? Shri Mataji: You cannot get Realisation without it, My child. You cannot get it in the air! Sahaja Yogi: He said, “If Realisation is the dropping away of habits, isn’t riding a horse at ninety-five just a matter of habit?” Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no! You didn’t understand. No! What happens, you become a very powerful personality, and you become an enlightened personality, so, you drop out whatever is bad for you, that’s all. Seeker: Is horse-riding necessarily bad? Shri Mataji: Anything that is not good for you, you understand and nobody has to tell you. You become your own master, you become your own guru and you drop it. I don’t have to tell you, “Don’t do this” or “Don’t do that” – you just do it yourself. Isn’t it better for Me? Now, so many questions; it’s ten o’clock about. Yes? (Unclear question) Shri Mataji: What did he say? Did you follow him? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t think I got that one. …. I think he said, “If You promote the idea of jumping into the divine flow of vibrations and want to clear ourselves, once upon a time we jumped into the river to get clean but now the river is polluted. Are there dangers in jumping into the Spirit? Shri Mataji: No, no, not at all dangerous – it’s wonderful! No, no, not at all dangerous: that’s a myth. That’s a myth about Kundalini. It’s such a myth they have created because they never wanted you to get your Realisation so that they could make money out of you, you see. They don’t want you to go to reality. So then, they can use you. That’s the reason they said all these things. It has no meaning. We have now been working in so many places, I’ve never seen. At the most some people, like this lady who was here was sick, was shaking her hand, and then she put it to her Mother Earth and she was sitting before Me, and she got all right. So, her shaking stopped. It was Parkinson’s. Just sitting here; she’s gone now. Seeker: What is the flame, Shri Mother? The Spirit? What is the flame? …. (On the chart.) Shri Mataji: Where is the flame? Sahaja Yogi: On the left Heart. Shri Mataji: On the left Heart is the Spirit. Is the Spirit. It’s difficult to show Spirit, you see, so they have shown it as a flame. Seeker: Do dreams have a part in one’s Spirit? Shri Mataji: They come from different areas. They don’t only come from collective subconscious, they come also from the subconscious that you have had in past lives, maybe in this life; could be from just from yesterday. So, it depends on from what area it comes. But it’s not important. Once you know the real truth, then you don’t bother about these things; because the communication is not circuitous, it’s just direct, so you know the truth. So, you’re not interested to know any more. Seeker: Is there a place for sorrow in someone who is Self-realised? Shri Mataji: No, no, not at all. It’s such a joy. You see, sorrow comes through our ignorance. Also, they want to, you to feel sorry for everything, you know. Like the way they show Christ like a skeleton, you see, naturally, you feel sorry; but only Michelangelo could see clearly that it was a great Personality. So, he painted Him like a great giant in the, you see Him in the Sistine Chapel. But below on the table, they have placed a skeleton of Christ which is, creates such horrible feelings within yourself. I think we should ask one of these priests to carry one, the cross across and see if they can do it with their skeleton bodies. So, sorrow is also created. Also, people like to show they are sorry. Like this Greek tragedy has no sense in it; just make it Greek tragedy, unnecessarily. I mean, one gentleman falls in love: he falls, doesn’t rise, falls in love! And then he doesn’t marry that person; then he is pining. I mean, human life is worth much more, not to pine after one lady. Then in next year, he marries that lady. I mean this is the – you see, everything must have an antithesis also. So, then he marries the same lady, and then he wants to get rid of her somehow. And then he murders her out of frustration. This should be the story because this kind of wasteful habits of human beings leading nowhere. You cannot get joy from another person: joy is your own property. This comes from your own Spirit. It doesn’t depend on another person. Only a Realized soul can enjoy another Realized soul. Only you understand the value of another person when you are a Realised soul, and another person is also a Realized soul; otherwise, you cannot. Yes? (Unclear question) Shri Mataji: You see, Gorbachev has solved one problem, a little bit. Because these are two superior powers, you see: super-most, we can call, superpowers. So, the, you need two hands to clap. So, one hand has receded. Now this hand doesn’t know what to do, what to hit, so it has to recede also. So, in a way, the pressure of war he has lessened, and he is going to lessen more. But I think today the world problem is, if you see internationally, is fundamentalism. Is fundamentalism. And those who try to encourage fundamentalism are really committing sins against humanity, I think. So, fundamentalism I find as the biggest problem, and to answer to this is Sahaja Yoga. Then our social problems come because we don’t understand the role of a woman and the role of a man; and when we don’t respect women for their great role they are playing, they become something funny. So, all this understanding comes to you very beautifully when you become a self-realised person. Another problem is ecological problem, comes out of our own imbalances. Whatever is inside, we manifest outside. You see, there’s so much imbalance in us. Like in, when we were in India, I never allowed any drinks in My house. I said, “All right, if you want to drink, drink in your house and come to My house.” But I can’t understand a person who is drunk. God knows, he might just get up and slap Me or do anything! But when we went to London, they, they said we have to offer them. I said, “All right.” I told My husband, “You arrange all that. Do it yourself.” That time – it’s long time back I’m telling you – just to buy crystal tumblers for an ordinary party we had to shell out nine hundred pounds, to begin with. That’s the beginning of the library. And so many were to be added later on. There is one cup for this and a one cup for that – I mean, a one cup is sufficient. And one tumbler for that and this – big, it’s a big science, you know, books after books. I told My husband, “You’d better get it and read it.” Then we hired three, four people. I said, “Baba, you look after these people.” Somebody wants this, somebody wants that, and it’s a very big sort of a social nonsensical wastage. So, these things we have created. Then, fork and spoon, you start from here, go on like that; and then go on that way. There’s no need to do all that. And I understand, if it was something artistic, all right, some artists are doing. But these days there’s no art: it’s so simple, there’s no art in it. If there’s even one flower they don’t like it – this is too much. No art anywhere, no Limoges, it’s just straightforward march. So, all this creation is all useless rubbish which will form another plastic mountain. So, this ecological problem has come because we have no sense of balance and discretion. Just go to the shopping: the husband gives the money to the wife to buy some shirts and she comes out with some three, four funny punk dresses which will be discarded after three, four months. We play into the hands of entrepreneurs all the time. Entrepreneurs start some sort of a funny dress: all right, everybody must dress up like that. We have our own intelligence; we have our own personality! We have no individuality left; everybody must dress up the same way. Now, I should say that we must put some oil in our head at least the day we want to wash our hair, because we’ll all become bald and then these entrepreneurs will sell us the wigs. That’s the trick! So now the fashion is not to put oil – all right, don’t put oil; but at least before washing your hair you can put some oil in your head. You see, this is what I am saying: the wisdom part is not there and the balance is not there, and because of that we are getting into trouble. All kinds of venturesome things have started, like the Grand Prix. Now, the man must die in the Grand Prix, otherwise it’s not a good one – that’s what they say, exactly. So, this sensationalization – must have sensations, as if we have become numbed people: absolutely we have no sensitivity to feel any joy or happiness, so we have to be given injections all the time, like electric shocks. To Me all these things, this looks so shocking. And I’ll tell you tomorrow what happens to you when you get into all these shocks. This is what happens, that you develop blood cancer. Cancer is created by us, by our imbalance, by our insanity. We have to become sane people. We must respect ourselves. Perhaps we have had no identity so far, that’s why we are like this. But once you are realised, you know your identity and then you enjoy yourself, you respect yourself. And don’t waste your time in useless things, destroying yourself. Yes? I, I tell you now, you see, the time is coming up much more, so one question will do. Now who will withdraw? …. All right, one lady waiting. Who is that one? This one? …. What is it? …. What? Seeker: The Spirit. Does the Spirit discriminate between good and evil, love and hate, or does it just react? Shri Mataji: Spirit is the source of knowledge, absolute knowledge; is the source of peace, is the source of wisdom, is the source of joy, is the source that enlightens our attention. We have such a big property with us. We should allow it to enlighten us, shouldn’t we? Now I think we should stop the questions, because there’s one thing: I’m quite good at answering questions. I’ll answer all your questions, but by that I cannot guarantee your Realisation. I can answer most of your questions, but I can’t guarantee your Realisation. Realisation has to work out. So even if you have not been able to ask some question, forget it. You can bring them tomorrow written down, and I would like to answer them when you come tomorrow. Beforehand if you give, I’ll answer them. But just now I think, tell your mind not to bother you any more about questions. And that’s why I wanted you to ask questions, so that your mind should not suddenly come out like jack-in-the-box and say, “Oh, you didn’t ask this question. How can you have Realisation?” So, the most important thing is to get your Realisation. So, I think, let us have it now. Again, I cannot force on you. You have to have it in your free will. So please, those who want to have should be there. It will take hardly ten minutes to work it out, and then tomorrow again I’m going to work it out. It’s very simple, very easy. But those who don’t want to have it should not be in the hall. It’s not proper, it’s not civil. So, all those who want to have it, are welcome. At the very outset, at the very outset there are two conditions I have to tell you. First one, as I told you before also, you have to forget the past. You have to forgive yourself, and know that you are not guilty at all. All these ideas are given to you that you are sinful, you are guilty, you are this and that because they wanted to cash it. You don’t have to suffer either. So, first of all you should know that you must forgive yourself and must have self-esteem and you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, because you are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. This is the first condition. Now the second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Some will say it’s very difficult to forgive. But whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. It’s a myth. But if you don’t forgive then you really play into the hands of the people who want to torture you. So best is to forgive them, forget about them. Forgive and forget. But don’t start counting how many people I have to forgive, what mistakes they have done – nothing of the kind. Just in general say, “I forgive everyone” – just, and it’s done. Because Divine is the ocean of forgiveness, it’s a very powerful ocean of forgiveness, and you cannot do anything that it cannot forgive. And once you say, “I forgive,” Divine takes over; we don’t have to bother. All right? These are the two conditions we have; very simple conditions, I think. We have to take out our shoes to take the help of the Mother Earth. That’s very important. (Apart: It’s supposed to be… Too much for the throat, talking all the time. All right.) Now …. (It’s all right.) You have to put both your feet apart from each other, because as I told you there are two powers. A little apart from each other, not touching. And you have to be comfortable. If there’s something tight you can release it a little bit. You need not bend down or stretch yourself too much. Just in a normal way you sit down. Put no strain on your body. You have to put your left hand towards Me like this, in a comfortable way, on your – you can keep it on your lap, whatever is comfortable. Now this represents that you desire to have your realisation. So, you keep it all the time like this. And with the right hand we’ll nourish our centres. With the right hand we will nourish our centres. And so, you will know also how to raise your Kundalini yourself. So, two things can be done: your Kundalini will be raised; as well as you will feel, you will know how to feel your centres within yourself and how to correct them. We’ll be working only on the left-hand side. So now you have to put the left hand towards Me. First, I’ll show you, he will show you what’s to be done, and then you’ll have to close your eyes later on. First, we’ll put our hand on our heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. Then we’ll have to put our hand on the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery, created by great masters. Then you have to take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, which is a very important centre which manifests this pure knowledge on your central nervous system. Then you have to raise your hand higher, again on to the left side of your abdomen, on the upper part. Press it hard, on the centre of mastery. Then to your heart again. And then on to the corner between your neck and your shoulder – from the front side, not from the back but from the front side – and turn your head to your right. Now this centre is very important, because this catches on very much, especially in the West, because people all the time feel guilty. And because of this people get spondylitis and angina and all other lethargic organs diseases. So please put your hand here, as far back as possible, and turn your head to your right. Now, take your right hand and put it on your forehead across and try to put your head down slowly, resting on this hand. And now press it on both the sides, as we do it when we have headache. This is the centre for forgiving others. Then you have to take down your hand, take up your hand onto the back side of your head where the optic lobe is, here at the back. And now turn your head upward as far as possible, resting on your hand. This is the centre where you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine without feeling guilty – is for your satisfaction. Now, stretch your hand, stretch your palm and put the centre of your palm just on top of the fontanel bone area, which was the soft bone in your childhood. And now bend your head, please, downward as much as possible. Push back your fingers, push back as much as possible. Now there will be a pressure on the scalp. Now move this pressure on the scalp slowly clockwise, seven times. You have to move the scalp, not your hand so much as the scalp, seven times clockwise, slowly. Bend your head. That’s what we’ll have to do. That’s all, nothing more. That’s the only thing we have to do. Now, you can take out your spectacles if you want because you’re closing your eyes, and might help your eyesight also. Now, put your left hand towards Me, comfortably. Put your feet apart from each other. And now put your right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to ask Me a very important question, in your heart. You ask Me a question as you would ask a computer. You can call Me “Shri Mataji” or “Mother”, whatever you like, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask the question, in your heart, not loudly. Three times ask in your heart, not loudly, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You have to only ask in your heart. If you are the Spirit, you become your own guide, you become your own master, you become your own guru. So now take down your right hand into the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. And here you have to ask another question, three times, not loudly, in your heart, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” – ah! “Mother, am I my own master? Mother, am I my own master?” Ask this question three times, “Am I my own master?” I have told you that I respect your freedom, and the pure knowledge cannot be forced on you. So please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, and say it six times, asking Me, “Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” I cannot force on you. You have to ask in your free will. As soon as you ask for the pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts moving upward. So now we have to nourish the higher centres with our self-confidence. Raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. Press it hard, on the left-hand side. And here with full confidence you have to say ten times, in your heart, not loudly, “Mother, I am my own master.” Please say this, ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” I told you at the very outset that the greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these conditionings, emotions, nor this ego, but you are the Spirit. You are the pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand onto your heart and ask here, or say with full confidence, twelve times, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Just say it without any hesitation. Say it twelve times, please. For your information you have to know that the divine Power is the source of knowledge, is the ocean of knowledge, is the ocean of love. It is the ocean of peace and ocean of bliss. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So, you cannot commit any mistake which cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck, on your shoulder, push it back as much as possible and turn your head to your right, and with full confidence please say sixteen times, full confidence, in your heart, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” All right. As I told you before that you have to forgive everyone, and those who say it is difficult, they must know that it is a myth whether you forgive or don’t forgive. But if you don’t forgive then you play into the wrong hands and get yourself tortured by yourself. So please forgive – in general, everyone, not counting how many people you have to forgive, what you have to forgive – but just say, by raising your hand and putting it on top of your forehead across, putting down your head as much as possible, resting on your hand, please say, with an open heart please say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Please say it, please say; otherwise, it is difficult later on for Me: I have to clear out everybody’s Agnya and this takes too much time then. So, best is to say it from your heart. After all, you are not going to miss your Self-realisation for that. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head, and put your head on it, resting on it, upward. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction, “Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me.” But don’t feel guilty, don’t count your mistakes, don’t think about them. In general, you have to say, “Oh Divine, please forgive me if I have done any mistakes or anything wrong, anything against You.” Now, stretch your palm, stretch your palm and put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head properly. And here push back your fingers as far as possible. Please push back. This is very important. And now put a pressure on your scalp, and move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Here again I respect your freedom, and I cannot force Self-realisation on you. So here you have to say seven times, bending your head properly and pressing it hard, moving seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self-realisation.” Please ask seven times, please. [Shri Mataji blows into the microphone.] Now, take down your hands and put them towards Me, little higher. Now, little bit put your right hand like this. Bend your head, and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. But don’t touch it – above your head, above your head. And some people get it far. So just try to feel if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, don’t start doubting that it’s air-conditioning and all that – air-conditioning cannot come out of your head! So, see for yourself. Now, put your left hand towards Me. Now again bend your head, and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. All right? Now put your right hand again, and again bend your head and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. It might be hot also, doesn’t matter. It may be heat coming out first and then the cool breeze. Doesn’t matter if it is hot, doesn’t matter. Now, put your both the hands towards the sky like this. Bend back, and ask Me a question. Three times, you can ask Me the question, “Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the all-pervading Power of divine love? Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?” Ask any one of these questions three times. Now put down your hands. Now watch Me without thinking. You can do it. Those who have felt the cool breeze in their hands or out of their fontanel bone area, whether cool or hot, please raise both your hands – both. Let’s see. Just see the en masse, just see – wonderful! So may God bless you all! I bow to you all, because you have started now your saintly life. And all those who didn’t get also should not get disappointed. On the contrary, if time permits, I would like to meet the people who have felt the cool breeze, and those who haven’t felt can come on this side and the Sahaja Yogis can work on them. Again, tomorrow you must come so you’ll be fixed properly. Some, those who want to meet Me can come and see Me, because there is some time, and in the meanwhile, we can have some music. Now don’t think about it. If you start thinking, you’ll be lost. Just don’t think about it; it’s beyond thinking. Thank you very much. Thank you. Beautiful! Oh, My! Thank you. It’s beautiful flowers. If you can push this apart, I’d like to meet people.

Public Program Day 1, "Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness". Hilton hotel, Sydney (Australia), 16 March 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. You have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot conceptualise it with our human awareness. We cannot order it, we cannot manipulate it, we cannot organise it. It is what it is, has been and will be. And what is the truth? Truth is that we are surrounded or we are penetrated or we are nourished, looked after and loved by a very subtle energy which is the energy of divine love. The second truth is that we are not this body, this mind, these conditionings, this ego, but we are the Spirit. You don’t have to accept what I’m saying blindly, because blind faith leads to fanaticism. But as scientists you must keep your minds open and see for yourself what I’m saying: if it is so, honestly you must accept it. We know so much through science about our civilisation, our advancement. This is the advancement of a tree which has grown outside very much; but if we do not know our roots, we’ll be destroyed. So, it is important to know about our roots. And this is what it is that I would say are our roots. As you can see, there are seven centres within us, and these subtle centres are placed in the spinal cord and in the brain. These cater to our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual needs. On the physical side they manifest the energy for the use of our plexuses which look after our physical problems. That is on the right side, the energy which is supplied by this yellow line, a subtle channel – we call it as the Pingala Nadi – this supplies energy for our physical and mental actions. So, this is the power of action within us which also caters to the right sympathetic nervous system. The another channel you see on the left-hand side is the channel by which we desire, put our energy to our desire. So, this is the power of desire and looks after our emotions. This is the one which looks after our conditionings also. At the end of these two channels they create two institutions: one on the right-side crosses over, and the yellow balloon that you see is the ego, is the balloon of ego that we have; and the left-hand side one that, which conditions our mind is the balloon of superego. As we start growing in age, by the time we are twelve years of age, these two completely meet and the soft bone in our head becomes completely calcified. Now there’s third energy within us which is in the centre, and this central energy is the one which has made us human beings. And these centres are the milestones of our evolution. So now the last jumping is left out. It has reached up to the limbic area. Now, only thing, it has to break through the soft bone in the, on the head and break through that, which is the actualisation of baptism. Baptism is not an artificial thing – it is an actualisation. But the energy that does it is, we call it sleeping energy, in the triangular bone called as sacrum. That means the Greeks knew that this is a sacred bone, that they called it 'sacrum'. This energy has to rise and break through that fontanel bone area and connect us to that subtle divine Power which we have never felt during human awareness. Thus, we get connected to this divine Power, and we start feeling it on our fingertips. It’s described in the Koran that, “At the time of resurrection your hands will speak, and they will give witness against you.” That is, you start feeling your own centres – these are five, six and seven centres – and they indicate what’s wrong with you within yourself, what’s the problem. Also, you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Because this sleeping power which is called as the Kundalini – ‘kundala’ means ‘coils’ – is the power of pure desire within us. (Disturbance by a man in the audience.) What’s he talking? Ah… This is the result, you know, of tensions, on modern tensions. So many such things are happening. People have no peace. That’s what I say, the tree has outgrown itself: it must find its roots. In America they say there are fifty-five per cent people who suffer from terrible nervousness, and at least thirty per cent people have got schizophrenia. It’s a very dangerous thing. If we don’t understand how delicately we are made and to realise that we are human beings, the epitome of evolution, we are going to land in great difficulties. We may try to run away from reality, but reality will have an effect on us. Now, so now we have this kind of a mechanism within us existing. Now this is a living process of evolution, and you must understand that we don’t pay for living process, and we can’t even explain it; because when you take a small little seed and put it in the Mother Earth, it germinates by itself spontaneously. You don’t pay to the Mother Earth anything. And when it germinates, it grows into a tree and produces thousands of seeds. So, in that little seed the map of all the things it was going to create is there. How it works, we never ask this question. We take all the things for granted. We don’t even ask the question how this wonderful eye of ours is made like a camera, and that how we are programmed within ourselves like computers. You see this is the colour; you don’t have to think about – it’s there. Through our sensory organs, how we find out things: we’d never question it. But to answer now all our questions, we have to become the divine computer. And that’s why we have to be connected to the mains. I call them, as the people who are self-realised, the people who have got their Spirit in their attention. When the attention is enlightened through this happening, then you can see the absolute truth. Like supposing you are holding on to a snake and there’s darkness, and somebody tells – there is darkness – “But you have got a snake in your hand. I can see it”, you’ll say, “No, I think it is a rope.” Now if you put on the light, immediately that person will drop. In the same way, when the attention gets enlightened by the Spirit, the first nature, innate nature of the Spirit is that it manifests absolute truth. You immediately become so empowered that you give up all those habits which are destructive to your life – immediately. I have seen people giving up drugs overnight in London, alcoholism, all kinds of things. I was amazed the way it’s working. It’s your own power within you; it's just there, is existing. There’s no obligation of any kind, it’s just one enlightened candle can enlighten another candle. That’s how it works. And it has to work – otherwise, as I told you, we are standing on the brink of destruction. Leave alone things like drugs and things we take to escape reality, there are so many diseases that have come up and coming up that it is going to be very difficult for us to exist on this Mother Earth after some time: ecological problems, the uncertainty of life, the insecurities that are built within us. So many conditionings we have. How to get rid of them? How to be cleansed is a very big problem today. And for that I think it is important that we have to get our Self-realisation. We talk, “My, my body, my hand, my mind, my ego” – but which is this “my”? Which is the “I” behind it? And when doctors also talk about the autonomous nervous system, they don’t say what is this "auto", who is this "auto". We say, “Automobile” – so there is a driver sitting driving the car. But who is driving this car? That is what we have to find out. And that "auto" is the Spirit within us. Unless and until the connection with the Divine is established, all other efforts are really fruitless. And that’s why many people ask Me why all the religions are fighting among themselves, why people who believe in God are fighting among themselves; why they are so sinful, why aren’t they so good. The reason is, they have not found the truth as yet. Just believing in any God or being born in any religion doesn’t make you a righteous person at all: anybody following any religion can commit any sin. There’s no bondage. But when this Kundalini rises into that green part, as you see – we call it as a Void: is the area which is like a bridging – very significant it is. Like Moses bridged; in the same way, this is the bridging. And this bridging, when it takes place you can cross over this ocean of illusion, as we say. But actually, this ocean of illusion is representing our ten valencies within us. We have ten valencies, ten dharmas, ten – our innate nature as human beings. So, when Kundalini rises into this area, it enlightens this area, and a person who is a realised soul doesn’t do anything wrong. He doesn’t cheat, he doesn’t bribe, he’s not frightened. He’s so courageous, he’s so compassionate, he’s so dynamic, he’s so loving. This is only possible when you are innately religious. Unless and until that happens, the religion outside, the man-made religion, cannot give you what it is promising you. And that’s why people are surprised that there is a big difference between the practice and precepts of religion. Every religion has said that, “You seek your Self.” So, there was nothing wrong with all the prophets, incarnations, all the saints. They all said the same thing. But we have missed the point. Everything has become either money-oriented or is an intellectual, intellectual probing. It is through intellectual probing you reach a point where you realise that you have not reached the reality. So, what should we do? And this is a very great gift of modern times which was promised long time back. Is described already in our Puranas that at the time, these modern times called as Kali Yuga, the Paramachaitanya or this all-pervading Power will become active – means there is Krita Yuga, it will become active – and through it, thousands of people will get their Realisation. Even in the Bible they have said that it’s quite a limited number. John the [Saint] – John has written in his “Revelation” it’s quite a limited number, but we have already crossed that. And so many people have to become realised souls. It’s very important today, and it’s so easy. "Sahaja": 'saha' is 'with', 'ja' is 'born': 'born with you'. Is the right to become one with the Divine, united with the Divine – that is "Yoga". "Yoga” is nothing but to be united with that divine Power. That’s what "Yoga" is; all other things are subsidiary. This union brings forth new dimensions on our central nervous system. As a evolution, we always develop a new dimension. By this you develop a new awareness of collective consciousness, by which you can feel other people, their centres. Sitting down here you can feel the centre of somebody – somebody who is dead, even you can feel his centres and find out what he was: was he a realised soul or not? You can find out about anybody whether he was a realised soul or not, sitting down here. You have to just think about him, put your hands. If you are a realised soul you can feel on your fingertips what is the problem. And somehow if you know how to correct those problems, you get rid of your own diseases and the diseases of others, your own problems and the problems of others. First, you enter into a state of mind which we call as “thoughtless awareness.” When you cross this centre of Agnya that is placed in the optic chiasma, you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware, but there is no thought. What a blessing it is! Say, I see a carpet here, it’s beautiful. And when I look at it if I start thinking, “What a good carpet!", if it is Mine it’s a very big headache because I’ll be thinking, “I hope it goes home, is already insured, is not lost, is not spoilt” – all kinds of worries about this carpet. Thank God it’s not Mine! So, I’ll look at it, still I start thinking, "How much I should pay to get it, from where can I get it?" – all these thoughts coming. But if I look at it without any thoughts, then the joy of its creation, to whomsoever it may belong, so-called, starts pouring on Me like beautiful flow of joy. Whatever the artist has put into it, all his joy starts pouring, that peace and that joyous feeling within Me when I don’t think about it. Thinking makes a person mad, creates lots of problems. Too much thinking is wasteful, also. As I’ll tell you about the second centre we have here, tomorrow, about the second centre, that by thinking, how many diseases you get. The other day I was in a radio station and the gentleman was asking Me, “How can I get rid of my diabetes? You say that by thinking it happens.” I said, “Yes.” Because in India if they have to take tea in a village, the sugar is put so much that the spoon must stand at right angle! And nobody gets diabetes. But people who are sedentary, planning too much – I mean mostly, say, bureaucrats, diplomats, politicians – they are very vulnerable. What is the reason for that, which I’ll explain to you tomorrow, how we get all these diseases because we think too much and we cannot stop thinking. But so far, we have to understand that we are all on the, either on the right side or on the left side. We are not in the centre. The centres are like this, I would say: the left and the right, and the left side and the right side join together to make the centre. Now supposing you are right-sided – means you are using too much of your physical or mental aptitudes, you are planning for future, you are very futuristic – then this starts extracting energy from this centre and starts moving to the left, right, starts moving to the right. At the same time if something happens on the left side and you get a jerk, it is broken. Then you are vulnerable to diseases which we call as psychosomatic, because this is the one is the somatic and this is the psycho. And these diseases cannot be cured. Because if somebody’s a doctor then he doesn’t know about psychology; somebody is psychologist, he doesn’t know the medicine. I mean, we have doctors for one eye and another doctor for another eye! We have gone to that limit of specialisation. This is the science of integration. Is not a science of specialisation but integration, because this is one body which has got the nose, eyes, ears, all stuck to one body. And this is one personality, and we have to deal with this personality as a whole. But if you start treating it like one for the nose, one for the ears, it’s not going to work out. So, when this Kundalini rises through these centres it brings them back to normal, to the balance, integrates them one with another and connects them with the mains from where the energy flows inside. And that’s how you become very dynamic, you don’t get tired, you feel very young, you never feel your age; and you are extremely compassionate and kind, and you love to do good to others. It is so much I have to tell you. Now Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations, and working out very well. The most surprising place was USSR. And now the people are saying, “Mother, You have been working for twenty years in the West and only went last year to USSR, and You have more Sahaja Yogis there than You have all over the world.” Not in India: we have many more, of course, because they know about it, they were not ignorant, so it’s all right – if you forget India. I don’t know what’s so special about them that they could see this so clearly. And one of the snags of Sahaja Yoga is that you cannot pay for it. And this really is the very great snag, I think because a gentleman from BBC in England told Me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything that can be done without money. I said, “Who has made this brain, God or somebody else?” It’s very surprising! And even in, I went to Toronto – no, Boston – and they said, “How many Rolls-Royces You’ve got?” I said, “I have none, because I don’t take any money. Whatever I have is of My husband’s.” They said, “Then we are not interested. You have to be in the business.” It’s very shocking, this kind of a attitude towards Divine. I said, “How much money did you pay to Christ?” Today also there was a question from a radio, and they asked Me, “You don’t take any money; then how do You travel?” I said, “So far, for quite some time I was travelling with My husband’s money, no doubt. But now we have so many Sahaja Yogis and they have some self-respect, and they don’t pay Me, they pay to the travel agents, not to Me. They don’t want I to pay for them – then tomorrow will say, "All right, You pay for our food also!’” I mean, any self-respecting people can understand that. So, if somebody does not take money, they go to that limit that even I should pay for their salvation, coming to their place I should pay for the hall, I should pay for everything. This kind of a brain – oh, it’s not all, all of you are not Anglo-Saxon, I hope so! – I can’t understand. And that’s why it has not come up to the point where it should have. On the contrary, I must say Russians are very brave people. With the war they have become very strong. On the contrary, in other countries I have seen with the war they have become very nervous, very frightened. And immediately they took to Sahaja Yoga for one point, that you cannot pay for it. They could see it, that you can’t pay because it’s a living process. Is such a wisdom that clicked. You won’t believe, in England, I was fighting with seven hippies for four years: the questions, the bombardment and – too much! I was about to give up. They just thought that it’s something to be attacked. And that’s the reason they attacked all the saints, all the incarnations and all the prophets. But I hope now everybody realises that we are in trouble. We are all in trouble. We don’t know what’s going to happen next day. We might get into cancer, might get into some other trouble. We might have any problem that we do not know about. We are not sure of our future. So, it is better that we get our special energy that is within us, we get ourselves enlightened and take to something that will make us much wiser, healthier, joyous and knowledgeable. “Knowledge” does not mean what you know through your brains, but on your central nervous system. That’s what everybody said, that the time has come – it’s a blossom time, I call it. There are thousands and thousands who can get Realisation. It’s such a great blessing that we could have en masse Realisation. On the Tree of Life there would have been only one or two flowers to begin with, but today I call it a blossom time. Is actually the Day of Judgment, but “blossom times” seems better to say – is more promising. I hope tonight we all will get Realisation and enjoy ourselves. May God bless you all! I would like you to ask Me some questions, because today is a first day. I’m sorry, the mike was not all right so they started very late, they said. The musicians have come from India – and you’d be amazed that Australians, Swiss, Germans, English, all of them have learned Sanskrit songs and Marathi songs, which is such a difficult language, all these songs – and they have learnt English songs. It was impossible to teach an Englishman one sentence in Hindi. One gentleman asked Me, “What do you say to the ‘close the door’?” So, My father told him, “You just say ‘there was a banker.’ That means ‘you close the door’! And for opening the door you say ‘there was a cold day.’ That’s how you will say ‘open the door’!” So, it was so difficult, and I’m amazed how through Sahaja Yoga they have become so dynamic. We have got many artists now flowering out. In your country itself there are so many artists who have come out of Sahaja Yoga. They are very well known here. Also, great potters and ceramic makers have come out of this. It’s working on this part, on this area of creativity, and lots of musicians have become great musicians in India. It’s working out in another direction in England, that people are writing books and they have become good orators who would never come on the stage. So, this is on a worldly level, we should say. But they themselves are so patient and so loving that the happiest thing I would like to tell you is that twenty-five Germans rushed to USSR, to Russia, to help Me to give Realisation to Russians. It was very touching, really, to see Germans should feel that innately that it’s their duty to give them Realisation. They spent their own money coming down there. It’s rather difficult to go to Russia because you have to pay for the hotels beforehand and all that. They did all that and they were there. It’s a beautiful that’s happening in the world, very beautiful people. And the way they admire each other and adore, it’s wonderful. So, I would expect you to ask Me some questions. But the questions should be relevant because I’m not here to aggress you, I’m here just to give you what you have, your own property. So, there’s no need to be aggressive with Me or to be angry with Me. I’ve not come here to take anything from you. So, in a sensible way, whatever you want to ask please ask, and we should not waste also time of other people who are anxious to have their Realisation. Seeker: Is Mr. Gorbachev realised?Shri Mataji: Yes, he is very much. Thank God for that!Seeker: What about Mr. Bush then?Shri Mataji: Who?Seeker: Mr. Bush. Shri Mataji: You can give him Realisation. You can. Seeker: What for? Shri Mataji: It’s better not to ask about that. You see, even Americans don’t understand sometimes that if Gorbachev has opted for democracy he’s not opted for an American style of democracy, because American democracy has not created a very good atmosphere. It’s a, if you go to America you can’t even wear a wedding ring. They can kill you even for a wedding ring. Such a situation is there. Horrible!And I was going once on a Los Angeles road and the one who was driving Me told Me that “Mother, put down Your head.” I said, “Why?” And he said, “On this road last week eleven people were killed.” I said, “Why?” “For the heck of it.” I said, “For the heck of it? So mad?” So that democracy has not created a good society, not good society. They have money, that’s all. But money is also not so much well-balanced, I would say; it doesn’t create good people, good children, good families. It should be the money which is auspicious, which should create good atmosphere. And very sick people there are: certain are very silly also, stupid. Like eighty-two-year-old people, cinema actors and actresses, going for a shake dance – they’re already shaking! I mean, this I can’t understand. And they, they want to ride horses at the age of ninety-two years of age. And then they fall down and die. What is the need at ninety-two to ride a horse? I mean, there’s no maturity. If democracy cannot mature you, then it’s not nourishing. It must mature; you must become a wiser person. If you still remain a sixteen-year-old brat, what’s the use? So, it has failed somewhere. As communism has failed, it has also failed. But Gorbachev could see. Mr Bush has to also see that. Also, the way they are supporting these Azerbaijanis – they’re horrible people, these Azerbaijani. I’ve been there, I’ve been to Samarkand and I’ve been to all these places, and they were rolling in luxuries, rolling in luxuries when I went there, thousand time better than their neighbours, Afghanis. But they said, “We are very miserable because we can’t follow Islam.” But I said, “Why do you want to follow Islam? What Islam has done good or Christianity has done good? Why are you so much anxious to follow Islam?” “No, we must have.” And now the Iranians are penetrating that, and if you support these Azerbaijanis you are supporting the Iranians and their fundamentalism. So, there’s no thought given to it. It’s not a proper vision; it’s a very blurred vision. One should see clearly what we are doing, who are we helping. There should be some principle in what we are doing. Imagine, Abraham Lincoln who started, who was a Realized soul himself, and how far you have taken him there? And there’s only one single road somewhere in his name. I mean, nobody bothers about the principles he established. So, something has gone wrong there. So, we must sit back and see that what’s wrong with our democracy. And in all these democratic countries all kinds of false gurus have prospered, because everybody has freedom to give the money to whosoever they like. Yes? These two ladies …. All right, you ask first. Sahaja Yogi: She’s been doing yoga for fifteen years. And she says she has reached all these points that You have mentioned, but she is weak on her left side. Can You help her?Shri Mataji: Yah. It’s just the outcome of the modern yoga, absolutely. Actually, Patanjali has written such a big book on Hatha Yoga. Nobody reads that. Only they have taken a wee, wee, wee part of it, which is ashtanga, means there are eight portions out of which one portion is yam niyam, out of which it’s one-eighth of the portion is about exercise, the physical. But that also is to be used when your Kundalini is rising and you see the defects in your spinal cord, or anywhere in your chakras: then you must know if there is any need for a physical correction – all right? But the way we are doing now Hatha Yoga is like taking all the medicines of the medicine box inside, without any discrimination. So, when we pay so much attention to the physical side, we go to the right side and left side is neglected. There’s an imbalance. And you develop lots of physical troubles also – physical. Like these days jogging is a fashion, so everybody’s jogging. Everybody wants to be a cinema actress, or might be a beauty competition – I don’t know what they want. And they don’t understand that we are human beings, we are delicately made. Even old people of eighty years are jogging, for what? And then they get heart attacks, serious troubles. So, this kind of a Hatha Yoga weakens your left side to such an extent that a woman may not be able to produce a child, even. Apart from that, a man who does Hatha Yoga of this kind is such a hot-tempered fellow, like an oven, that you’d better approach that person with a barge-pole! God knows when he’ll jump on you. But in Sahaja Yoga you’ll achieve your balance. So, don’t, not to do so many exercises now, discriminately understanding which one you want, you have to do – that much you should do. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Then there’s one lady here who raised the hand. Seeker: How can you tell whether you are acting from intuition or if it’s just the desire of the moment?Shri Mataji: You mean you are asking Me or about yourself?Seeker: In a general sense. How can you tell the difference?Shri Mataji: Because you have not reached that state of Self-realisation. In Self-realisation if you ask a question, any question: say, somebody says, “I don’t believe in God.” All right, ask a question, “Is there God?” three times, and you get a beautiful wind coming on you. “Was Christ the Son of God?” Ask this question: you get it. Then ask about some horrid guru who has been lynching you, and you will get burns, might get even blisters. But unless and until you are a realised soul, you have to – it’s not easy to make it out. The only thing, you have to be connected first of all and to be established. Then you reach a state of doubtless awareness, from the thoughtless awareness. And then you become tremendous. Sahaja Yogi: There’s one right at the back. Seeker: Does your Realisation take place instantly or does it take place gradually?Shri Mataji: It takes instantly, My child. It should. Most of the cases it has to; it’s so spontaneous. There was a saint called Ramdas who was the guru of Shivaji, a great king in India – a realised soul, again – and somebody asked that saint, “How much time does it take for the Kundalini to rise?” And in Sanskrit he said, “Tatkshane” – means “That moment.” That moment. But there has to be the person who gives you Realisation authorised by the Divine, and the one who is a seeker of truth. I mean, I’m Myself surprised the way it’s happening today, everywhere. These days it’s really very surprising that the Divine is so anxious to give you Realisation. Many people ask Me, “Mother, why do You give Realisation to so many people?” I said, “How can I limit it? Now it has become limitless.”Some, like the parable of Christ, fall in the marshy land and just sprouted and lost – I know that. But they’ll come back; I’m sure they’ll come back. But some do prosper very fast and settle down. Imagine in a place like Russia, I thought this must be just wilderness, there I find beautiful things happening. They, they never talked of God, they never talked of religion, they never talked of spirituality. And openly I talked of God and everything; nobody arrested Me there. Here, we who worship God and who have so many churches, who have so many temples and mosques and all that, you have – I have to move like a criminal! Except for their church or their mosque or their temples, you are a "cult"; while they take all the money, everything – they are very money-oriented and power-oriented also – but you are a "cult"! Is very funny. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, please? There’s still the another gentleman also? …. Shri Mataji: All right. They need to ask Me ….Seeker: Mother, I’ve been trying for about two months, but I don’t feel any cool breeze up here.Shri Mataji: You feel it in your hands?Seeker: No, I don’t.Shri Mataji: All right, we’ll see about it. After the program – ah, definitely today you’ll feel it. Seeker: Where in the seven centres would You place instinct? Shri Mataji: You see, “instinct” is a very confusing word – all right? In the seventh centre when you arrive, you arrive in the limbic area. And limbic area has got the seven seats of seven centres. So, you cannot say that any particular place is the instinct, but the instinct comes from the Divine. So, when it is connected with the Divine, you receive it in your brain and it’s transmitted to your nerves. Also, it is transmitted to your centres, nourishing it. So, you cannot categorise it. Yes, what is it? Ask, ask! Sahaja Yogi: He finds it very confusing: what is mind, what is a thought and what is thinking?)Shri Mataji: I think tomorrow I’m going to talk about thinking. In that I’ll tell you everything – all right? Can you keep it for tomorrow, please? All right? Tomorrow I’ll tell you. Seeker: Got food anything to do with this process or technique?Shri Mataji: You see, any kind of food that you eat has to be suitable for your temperament, your prakriti. It has to be suitable. Supposing you are a very right-sided person, then it’s better for you to take more to carbohydrates. But supposing you are a left-sided person, is better for you to take to proteins. There’s no hard and fast rule about it. It has to be complementary to your nature. That’s how we decide. Every individual has a different temperament, and accordingly, we have to decide what sort of food one should take. … Sahaja Yogi: Two questions, Shri Mother. One, are You a vegetarian? And secondly, does the soul have a memory? Shri Mataji: All right. About Me you’d better discover. You see, I don’t talk about Myself. The reason is this: anybody who tried to seek, say anything about oneself or claim anything, people have been very nasty. Christ said, “I am the Son of God” – which is a fact. They crucified Him. He didn’t tell a lie. So, I’m very tactful! So, you first get your Realisation, because I don’t want to get crucified just now; I want to postpone it as much as possible! So about Me you can find out, once you get your Realisation, is better. What is the second?Sahaja Yogi: Does the soul have a memory?Shri Mataji: Soul has a memory, of course, it has. Soul also is another subject which will take at least three, four lectures, and I have given lectures on that. You can take the tape and see for yourself, and after Realisation, you can see those dead souls also and also you can see the Chaitanya, these vibrations, as small little commas shining. After Realisation, you see them. And now there are lots of discoveries have been made which I’ve said about soul, which you can also see from my tapes and can hear about it. It’s a very long subject. All right? Seeker: He has some artificial heart valves and things in his body, and he wonders if a person who has artificial organs can obtain Self-realisation. Shri Mataji: Of course, you can. Anybody who is living can get Realisation. Because you are living because there is the Spirit within you. The day the Spirit disappears from your heart, we are no more. On the contrary, your heart condition will improve, very much. Many people who had bypass got rid of it. Many people who had angina got completely cured. Many heart patients were cured completely. Sahaja Yogi: Yes, now, you ask. Now she is asking. … Can you hear her? Little loudly, can you? Seeker: Apparently the authors of a lot of these chakra books say that each chakra corresponds to a different … areas. (Question continues: … corroboration of your soul, of your being. Is that actually true? Like as in the chakra here.) Shri Mataji: Agnya. Seeker: Yeah. If, they say that if that’s opened, you are able to perceive things in other beings; like you’re able to see where they have been and … or you are able to use psychic powers and things, you know? Is that actually true? Shri Mataji: Yes. Now, this chakra is very important. This chakra of Agnya which is on the optic chiasma is a very important centre. It is a very constricted thing, and the resurrection of Christ has solved the problem for us because He was resurrected and He’s bestowed upon on this chakra. He’s the ruling deity of this chakra. So, when Kundalini awakens Him on this chakra, He sucks in these two balloons, as I told you: ego and superego. Now the ego and superego are controlled by two organs or two things, what we call as the pituitary and the pineal. So, this centre controls pituitary and the pineal part. Also, it is on the optic chiasma. So, you can see things clearly through it. When it is awakened, you start seeing subtler things. But if you see the light, then it’s not correct. That means you have moved to the right because you see elements on the right side. You may see also the past: you may, you may see Krishna; you may see somebody, the past. What you have to see, whatever you see, you are not that. Supposing I see the light, I am not the light. So, you have to be the light. So, this movement is deviation from reality. Either to the right, to the left, is not correct and should not be considered as some achievement, because seeing gives you nothing. Being gives you. It is becoming; you have to become. All right? Sahaja Yogi: Now, is there? Seeker: Are our actions governed by free will, or is it just fate? Shri Mataji: It’s free will, absolute free will. You have come here with your free will, and I respect your free will, your freedom. If you don’t want to have Self-realisation, it cannot be forced, it cannot be done. It respects your free will. You can only get it if you in free will, in your free glory, you want to have it. In a way, of course, it does help people who live in moderation; but as I told you, the Divine is so anxious that whatever you might have been, you get your Realisation, sort of a thing happening today. That’s what I’ve seen it. So that’s what you should expect. And shouldn’t think of your past at all. Forget it. Yes? Seeker: What then of karma? Shri Mataji: Karma, as I told you, is sucked in. When the Kundalini rises through this centre, She’s sucked in those two institutions. One of them is of ego. Is the only ego, tells us we are doing karmas. Animals don’t feel they are committing sins or doing karmas; only we, because we have ego. This ego is sucked in. So, all our karmas are finished. They said Christ has died for our sins, and that is proved. So far … Seeker: In regard to reincarnation, do humans come back as humans? Shri Mataji: Yes, they do. Some of them do come from animal stage also, because that we can explain why they behave like this! Seeker: Mother, I’ve been getting very powerful sensations on this finger here and this area here. What is the cause of that disturbance …? Shri Mataji: What is the feeling? In the Agnya, here? Here and here. You are feeling heat? Seeker: Pain on top of that finger and a small, a kind of heat and pain there … Shri Mataji: Here? All right. You don’t worry about the cause. We’ll correct it. All right? It’s, it’s better not to know about it. It’s nothing serious but still… You see, this may be that – what is your job? Seeker: I don’t have a job. I was in an auto accident last year and I’ve been incapacitated since. Shri Mataji: Incapacitated? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: How? Seeker: Injuries to both legs and right up to my abdomen, right up to my chest. Shri Mataji: What he said? Sahaja Yogi: He’s had severe injuries to both legs and his torso up to his chest. Shri Mataji: And on your left hand, what are you feeling? Seeker: A lot of pain in that finger there and a pain just here which is in line with the third finger. Shri Mataji: All of them? Sahaja Yogi: The right Vishuddhi, Shri Mother. Seeker: And this one here. Shri Mataji: All right. So, this is, this is definitely connected with your body and that has to be corrected, that’s all. All right? Then you won’t feel anything. Seeker: Why do we take on the physical state? Shri Mataji: You cannot get Realisation without it, My child. You cannot get it in the air! Sahaja Yogi: He said, “If Realisation is the dropping away of habits, isn’t riding a horse at ninety-five just a matter of habit?” Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, no! You didn’t understand. No! What happens, you become a very powerful personality, and you become an enlightened personality, so, you drop out whatever is bad for you, that’s all. Seeker: Is horse-riding necessarily bad? Shri Mataji: Anything that is not good for you, you understand and nobody has to tell you. You become your own master, you become your own guru and you drop it. I don’t have to tell you, “Don’t do this” or “Don’t do that” – you just do it yourself. Isn’t it better for Me? Now, so many questions; it’s ten o’clock about. Yes? (Unclear question) Shri Mataji: What did he say? Did you follow him? Sahaja Yogi: I don’t think I got that one. …. I think he said, “If You promote the idea of jumping into the divine flow of vibrations and want to clear ourselves, once upon a time we jumped into the river to get clean but now the river is polluted. Are there dangers in jumping into the Spirit? Shri Mataji: No, no, not at all dangerous – it’s wonderful! No, no, not at all dangerous: that’s a myth. That’s a myth about Kundalini. It’s such a myth they have created because they never wanted you to get your Realisation so that they could make money out of you, you see. They don’t want you to go to reality. So then, they can use you. That’s the reason they said all these things. It has no meaning. We have now been working in so many places, I’ve never seen. At the most some people, like this lady who was here was sick, was shaking her hand, and then she put it to her Mother Earth and she was sitting before Me, and she got all right. So, her shaking stopped. It was Parkinson’s. Just sitting here; she’s gone now. Seeker: What is the flame, Shri Mother? The Spirit? What is the flame? …. (On the chart.) Shri Mataji: Where is the flame? Sahaja Yogi: On the left Heart. Shri Mataji: On the left Heart is the Spirit. Is the Spirit. It’s difficult to show Spirit, you see, so they have shown it as a flame. Seeker: Do dreams have a part in one’s Spirit? Shri Mataji: They come from different areas. They don’t only come from collective subconscious, they come also from the subconscious that you have had in past lives, maybe in this life; could be from just from yesterday. So, it depends on from what area it comes. But it’s not important. Once you know the real truth, then you don’t bother about these things; because the communication is not circuitous, it’s just direct, so you know the truth. So, you’re not interested to know any more. Seeker: Is there a place for sorrow in someone who is Self-realised? Shri Mataji: No, no, not at all. It’s such a joy. You see, sorrow comes through our ignorance. Also, they want to, you to feel sorry for everything, you know. Like the way they show Christ like a skeleton, you see, naturally, you feel sorry; but only Michelangelo could see clearly that it was a great Personality. So, he painted Him like a great giant in the, you see Him in the Sistine Chapel. But below on the table, they have placed a skeleton of Christ which is, creates such horrible feelings within yourself. I think we should ask one of these priests to carry one, the cross across and see if they can do it with their skeleton bodies. So, sorrow is also created. Also, people like to show they are sorry. Like this Greek tragedy has no sense in it; just make it Greek tragedy, unnecessarily. I mean, one gentleman falls in love: he falls, doesn’t rise, falls in love! And then he doesn’t marry that person; then he is pining. I mean, human life is worth much more, not to pine after one lady. Then in next year, he marries that lady. I mean this is the – you see, everything must have an antithesis also. So, then he marries the same lady, and then he wants to get rid of her somehow. And then he murders her out of frustration. This should be the story because this kind of wasteful habits of human beings leading nowhere. You cannot get joy from another person: joy is your own property. This comes from your own Spirit. It doesn’t depend on another person. Only a Realized soul can enjoy another Realized soul. Only you understand the value of another person when you are a Realised soul, and another person is also a Realized soul; otherwise, you cannot. Yes? (Unclear question) Shri Mataji: You see, Gorbachev has solved one problem, a little bit. Because these are two superior powers, you see: super-most, we can call, superpowers. So, the, you need two hands to clap. So, one hand has receded. Now this hand doesn’t know what to do, what to hit, so it has to recede also. So, in a way, the pressure of war he has lessened, and he is going to lessen more. But I think today the world problem is, if you see internationally, is fundamentalism. Is fundamentalism. And those who try to encourage fundamentalism are really committing sins against humanity, I think. So, fundamentalism I find as the biggest problem, and to answer to this is Sahaja Yoga. Then our social problems come because we don’t understand the role of a woman and the role of a man; and when we don’t respect women for their great role they are playing, they become something funny. So, all this understanding comes to you very beautifully when you become a self-realised person. Another problem is ecological problem, comes out of our own imbalances. Whatever is inside, we manifest outside. You see, there’s so much imbalance in us. Like in, when we were in India, I never allowed any drinks in My house. I said, “All right, if you want to drink, drink in your house and come to My house.” But I can’t understand a person who is drunk. God knows, he might just get up and slap Me or do anything! But when we went to London, they, they said we have to offer them. I said, “All right.” I told My husband, “You arrange all that. Do it yourself.” That time – it’s long time back I’m telling you – just to buy crystal tumblers for an ordinary party we had to shell out nine hundred pounds, to begin with. That’s the beginning of the library. And so many were to be added later on. There is one cup for this and a one cup for that – I mean, a one cup is sufficient. And one tumbler for that and this – big, it’s a big science, you know, books after books. I told My husband, “You’d better get it and read it.” Then we hired three, four people. I said, “Baba, you look after these people.” Somebody wants this, somebody wants that, and it’s a very big sort of a social nonsensical wastage. So, these things we have created. Then, fork and spoon, you start from here, go on like that; and then go on that way. There’s no need to do all that. And I understand, if it was something artistic, all right, some artists are doing. But these days there’s no art: it’s so simple, there’s no art in it. If there’s even one flower they don’t like it – this is too much. No art anywhere, no Limoges, it’s just straightforward march. So, all this creation is all useless rubbish which will form another plastic mountain. So, this ecological problem has come because we have no sense of balance and discretion. Just go to the shopping: the husband gives the money to the wife to buy some shirts and she comes out with some three, four funny punk dresses which will be discarded after three, four months. We play into the hands of entrepreneurs all the time. Entrepreneurs start some sort of a funny dress: all right, everybody must dress up like that. We have our own intelligence; we have our own personality! We have no individuality left; everybody must dress up the same way. Now, I should say that we must put some oil in our head at least the day we want to wash our hair, because we’ll all become bald and then these entrepreneurs will sell us the wigs. That’s the trick! So now the fashion is not to put oil – all right, don’t put oil; but at least before washing your hair you can put some oil in your head. You see, this is what I am saying: the wisdom part is not there and the balance is not there, and because of that we are getting into trouble. All kinds of venturesome things have started, like the Grand Prix. Now, the man must die in the Grand Prix, otherwise it’s not a good one – that’s what they say, exactly. So, this sensationalization – must have sensations, as if we have become numbed people: absolutely we have no sensitivity to feel any joy or happiness, so we have to be given injections all the time, like electric shocks. To Me all these things, this looks so shocking. And I’ll tell you tomorrow what happens to you when you get into all these shocks. This is what happens, that you develop blood cancer. Cancer is created by us, by our imbalance, by our insanity. We have to become sane people. We must respect ourselves. Perhaps we have had no identity so far, that’s why we are like this. But once you are realised, you know your identity and then you enjoy yourself, you respect yourself. And don’t waste your time in useless things, destroying yourself. Yes? I, I tell you now, you see, the time is coming up much more, so one question will do. Now who will withdraw? …. All right, one lady waiting. Who is that one? This one? …. What is it? …. What? Seeker: The Spirit. Does the Spirit discriminate between good and evil, love and hate, or does it just react? Shri Mataji: Spirit is the source of knowledge, absolute knowledge; is the source of peace, is the source of wisdom, is the source of joy, is the source that enlightens our attention. We have such a big property with us. We should allow it to enlighten us, shouldn’t we? Now I think we should stop the questions, because there’s one thing: I’m quite good at answering questions. I’ll answer all your questions, but by that I cannot guarantee your Realisation. I can answer most of your questions, but I can’t guarantee your Realisation. Realisation has to work out. So even if you have not been able to ask some question, forget it. You can bring them tomorrow written down, and I would like to answer them when you come tomorrow. Beforehand if you give, I’ll answer them. But just now I think, tell your mind not to bother you any more about questions. And that’s why I wanted you to ask questions, so that your mind should not suddenly come out like jack-in-the-box and say, “Oh, you didn’t ask this question. How can you have Realisation?” So, the most important thing is to get your Realisation. So, I think, let us have it now. Again, I cannot force on you. You have to have it in your free will. So please, those who want to have should be there. It will take hardly ten minutes to work it out, and then tomorrow again I’m going to work it out. It’s very simple, very easy. But those who don’t want to have it should not be in the hall. It’s not proper, it’s not civil. So, all those who want to have it, are welcome. At the very outset, at the very outset there are two conditions I have to tell you. First one, as I told you before also, you have to forget the past. You have to forgive yourself, and know that you are not guilty at all. All these ideas are given to you that you are sinful, you are guilty, you are this and that because they wanted to cash it. You don’t have to suffer either. So, first of all you should know that you must forgive yourself and must have self-esteem and you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, because you are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. This is the first condition. Now the second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Some will say it’s very difficult to forgive. But whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. It’s a myth. But if you don’t forgive then you really play into the hands of the people who want to torture you. So best is to forgive them, forget about them. Forgive and forget. But don’t start counting how many people I have to forgive, what mistakes they have done – nothing of the kind. Just in general say, “I forgive everyone” – just, and it’s done. Because Divine is the ocean of forgiveness, it’s a very powerful ocean of forgiveness, and you cannot do anything that it cannot forgive. And once you say, “I forgive,” Divine takes over; we don’t have to bother. All right? These are the two conditions we have; very simple conditions, I think. We have to take out our shoes to take the help of the Mother Earth. That’s very important. (Apart: It’s supposed to be… Too much for the throat, talking all the time. All right.) Now …. (It’s all right.) You have to put both your feet apart from each other, because as I told you there are two powers. A little apart from each other, not touching. And you have to be comfortable. If there’s something tight you can release it a little bit. You need not bend down or stretch yourself too much. Just in a normal way you sit down. Put no strain on your body. You have to put your left hand towards Me like this, in a comfortable way, on your – you can keep it on your lap, whatever is comfortable. Now this represents that you desire to have your realisation. So, you keep it all the time like this. And with the right hand we’ll nourish our centres. With the right hand we will nourish our centres. And so, you will know also how to raise your Kundalini yourself. So, two things can be done: your Kundalini will be raised; as well as you will feel, you will know how to feel your centres within yourself and how to correct them. We’ll be working only on the left-hand side. So now you have to put the left hand towards Me. First, I’ll show you, he will show you what’s to be done, and then you’ll have to close your eyes later on. First, we’ll put our hand on our heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. Then we’ll have to put our hand on the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery, created by great masters. Then you have to take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, which is a very important centre which manifests this pure knowledge on your central nervous system. Then you have to raise your hand higher, again on to the left side of your abdomen, on the upper part. Press it hard, on the centre of mastery. Then to your heart again. And then on to the corner between your neck and your shoulder – from the front side, not from the back but from the front side – and turn your head to your right. Now this centre is very important, because this catches on very much, especially in the West, because people all the time feel guilty. And because of this people get spondylitis and angina and all other lethargic organs diseases. So please put your hand here, as far back as possible, and turn your head to your right. Now, take your right hand and put it on your forehead across and try to put your head down slowly, resting on this hand. And now press it on both the sides, as we do it when we have headache. This is the centre for forgiving others. Then you have to take down your hand, take up your hand onto the back side of your head where the optic lobe is, here at the back. And now turn your head upward as far as possible, resting on your hand. This is the centre where you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine without feeling guilty – is for your satisfaction. Now, stretch your hand, stretch your palm and put the centre of your palm just on top of the fontanel bone area, which was the soft bone in your childhood. And now bend your head, please, downward as much as possible. Push back your fingers, push back as much as possible. Now there will be a pressure on the scalp. Now move this pressure on the scalp slowly clockwise, seven times. You have to move the scalp, not your hand so much as the scalp, seven times clockwise, slowly. Bend your head. That’s what we’ll have to do. That’s all, nothing more. That’s the only thing we have to do. Now, you can take out your spectacles if you want because you’re closing your eyes, and might help your eyesight also. Now, put your left hand towards Me, comfortably. Put your feet apart from each other. And now put your right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to ask Me a very important question, in your heart. You ask Me a question as you would ask a computer. You can call Me “Shri Mataji” or “Mother”, whatever you like, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask the question, in your heart, not loudly. Three times ask in your heart, not loudly, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” You have to only ask in your heart. If you are the Spirit, you become your own guide, you become your own master, you become your own guru. So now take down your right hand into the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. And here you have to ask another question, three times, not loudly, in your heart, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” – ah! “Mother, am I my own master? Mother, am I my own master?” Ask this question three times, “Am I my own master?” I have told you that I respect your freedom, and the pure knowledge cannot be forced on you. So please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, and say it six times, asking Me, “Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” I cannot force on you. You have to ask in your free will. As soon as you ask for the pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts moving upward. So now we have to nourish the higher centres with our self-confidence. Raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. Press it hard, on the left-hand side. And here with full confidence you have to say ten times, in your heart, not loudly, “Mother, I am my own master.” Please say this, ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” I told you at the very outset that the greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these conditionings, emotions, nor this ego, but you are the Spirit. You are the pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand onto your heart and ask here, or say with full confidence, twelve times, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Just say it without any hesitation. Say it twelve times, please. For your information you have to know that the divine Power is the source of knowledge, is the ocean of knowledge, is the ocean of love. It is the ocean of peace and ocean of bliss. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So, you cannot commit any mistake which cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck, on your shoulder, push it back as much as possible and turn your head to your right, and with full confidence please say sixteen times, full confidence, in your heart, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” All right. As I told you before that you have to forgive everyone, and those who say it is difficult, they must know that it is a myth whether you forgive or don’t forgive. But if you don’t forgive then you play into the wrong hands and get yourself tortured by yourself. So please forgive – in general, everyone, not counting how many people you have to forgive, what you have to forgive – but just say, by raising your hand and putting it on top of your forehead across, putting down your head as much as possible, resting on your hand, please say, with an open heart please say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Please say it, please say; otherwise, it is difficult later on for Me: I have to clear out everybody’s Agnya and this takes too much time then. So, best is to say it from your heart. After all, you are not going to miss your Self-realisation for that. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head, and put your head on it, resting on it, upward. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction, “Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me.” But don’t feel guilty, don’t count your mistakes, don’t think about them. In general, you have to say, “Oh Divine, please forgive me if I have done any mistakes or anything wrong, anything against You.” Now, stretch your palm, stretch your palm and put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head properly. And here push back your fingers as far as possible. Please push back. This is very important. And now put a pressure on your scalp, and move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Here again I respect your freedom, and I cannot force Self-realisation on you. So here you have to say seven times, bending your head properly and pressing it hard, moving seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self-realisation.” Please ask seven times, please. [Shri Mataji blows into the microphone.] Now, take down your hands and put them towards Me, little higher. Now, little bit put your right hand like this. Bend your head, and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. But don’t touch it – above your head, above your head. And some people get it far. So just try to feel if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, don’t start doubting that it’s air-conditioning and all that – air-conditioning cannot come out of your head! So, see for yourself. Now, put your left hand towards Me. Now again bend your head, and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. All right? Now put your right hand again, and again bend your head and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. It might be hot also, doesn’t matter. It may be heat coming out first and then the cool breeze. Doesn’t matter if it is hot, doesn’t matter. Now, put your both the hands towards the sky like this. Bend back, and ask Me a question. Three times, you can ask Me the question, “Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the all-pervading Power of divine love? Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?” Ask any one of these questions three times. Now put down your hands. Now watch Me without thinking. You can do it. Those who have felt the cool breeze in their hands or out of their fontanel bone area, whether cool or hot, please raise both your hands – both. Let’s see. Just see the en masse, just see – wonderful! So may God bless you all! I bow to you all, because you have started now your saintly life. And all those who didn’t get also should not get disappointed. On the contrary, if time permits, I would like to meet the people who have felt the cool breeze, and those who haven’t felt can come on this side and the Sahaja Yogis can work on them. Again, tomorrow you must come so you’ll be fixed properly. Some, those who want to meet Me can come and see Me, because there is some time, and in the meanwhile, we can have some music. Now don’t think about it. If you start thinking, you’ll be lost. Just don’t think about it; it’s beyond thinking. Thank you very much. Thank you. Beautiful! Oh, My! Thank you. It’s beautiful flowers. If you can push this apart, I’d like to meet people.

3/16/1990

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The Powers of Kundalini, Interview Shri Mataji with Stephen Taylor

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The Power of kundalini (Interview) Shri Mataji with Stephen Taylor, Friday, March 16, 1990 Stephen Taylor: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja. Saha means 'with'.Ja means 'born'. So it is born with you.' The right' to become 'united,' which is the yoga with the Divine. Stephen Taylor: And this Sahaja yoga is something that everybody can have, is it? Is it something, everybody can practice? Shri Mataji: Of course. Stephen Taylor: And how does this connect with the divine take place? Shri Mataji: We have within ourselves this power in the triangular bone which is called a 'Sacrum' meaning sacred, which when awakened sprouts like a prime in seed and rises through six subtle centres, opens out in the last centre and gets connected with the divine, which is subtle energy, all around us, which organizes us, which nourishes us, does all the living work. Above all it loves us. Interviewer: Does this mean that people who have not had the ability to practice Sahaj yoga are not connected with the divine? Shri Mataji: Most of them are not. And if some of them are, they don't know all about it. Interviewer: So this is what, an extra force that is available to human beings to develop themselves in this world? Shri Mataji: Of course. This is the last breakthrough of our evolution, where you have to get connected with the divine. You have to feel it on your central nervous system and that's how you get Self-realization. Interviewer: Do I perceive here that this is a way of balancing oneself?Of keeping in such a way of living one's life,(in such a way-repetition) that one is not unbalanced in one's view of what is going on around us? Shri Mataji: Yes. We have two sides in our system of the autonomous nervous system, left and right, which we call as left and right sympathetic nervous system. Left side caters to our emotions, our past, our desires. The right side caters to our action, physical and mental. If you indulge in one too much and go too far with it, you develop an imbalance within yourself. In the centre lies the third power which we call as a parasympathetic nervous system..This is the channel which is the central path of ascent. When the kundalini rises through it, it brings you in the balance because it rises in the centre of the system. So this is the minimum that happens, that you develop your balance. Interviewer: So how does one actually achieve this balance? Shri Mataji: It just happens spontaneously. Interviewer: In other words, there is no physical requirement for an individual? Shri Mataji: Not at all.Not at all. It's an evolutionary step. As I told you in our evolution, we have developed a balance, we can stand on our two legs. Animals cannot. In the same way, you develop this special balance between your emotion and your action in a very proper way. Interviewer: You speak as though this is some sort of evolutionary step? Shri Mataji: Yes it is. It is the last breakthrough, that you have to become the spirit now and this has to be achieved, which can be achieved only through a living process because we have become human beings through a living process and that living process has to act within us. Interviewer: This sounds as though it is rather a significant time than in the history of humanity? Shri Mataji: Very much. In the history of humanity, in the history of evolution, in the history of spirituality, it is the most important time because here, where you will get whatever has been promised to you so far. Interviewer: So it is no accident Sahaja yoga has appeared in the world at this time? Shri Mataji: No, not at all, not at all. It is all predicted thousands of years back in India and later on by many saints. Even William Blake has predicted it. Interviewer: Shri Mataji you went to Russia last year and I believe the reception you got was most surprising? Shri Mataji: I was myself surprised because thousands of people came and very sensible well-educated people came and they all settled down.Thousands. .I did not know how to cope with that number because there were so many, and even the members of the supreme council, the government, came. I could only say that in the so-called free societies we waste too much time experimenting with our freedom and indulge too much into politics which is a waste thing, then the economics, all these things. While the people there did not have any such chances. So they put their energies to something that was higher than that. They diverted and they were very knowledgeable, they knew a lot about seeking. They knew a lot about Kundalini and as if they were just waiting for me. It was very remarkable. Interviewer: Mr Gorbachev has said the Russian requires a mental revolution. Do you see the acceptance of Sahaja yoga as part of this revolution? Shri Mataji: Of course. He himself is a saint and what he is meaning by 'mental', that they should now understand that they have to develop that balance between communism and democracy. Our democracies are imbalanced. They are one-sided. They have no.. not the other side of collectivity but communism has collectivity. It is power-oriented. Our democracies are money-oriented. What he is meaning is the maturity of our wisdom. Interviewer: So referring back to what we were talking about earlier, is it okay about bringing the human body into balance? Could we say then that Mr Gorbachev is bringing the whole eastern Bloc into balance? Shri Mataji: Yes. Yes, they had gone too much on one side and he is trying to bring them to the centre. Interviewer: You mentioned that you went to an eastern bloc conference last year and I believe you gave many influential people, Realization? Is it true that you believe that this was instrumental in helping the overthrow of oppressive communism? Shri Mataji: It was a yoga, yoga seminar and I expected all of them to be there and surprisingly I talked to them hardly for 30 to 35 minutes and then I gave them realization and all of them got it. They were representatives from all these Eastern Bloc Countries. When they got it they were so surprised at it, then they walked out with me out of the hall and nobody was left in the hall to listen to other people. They gave me their addresses and they said we want 'this only', in our country and they wanted to start out centres and I am told they have already started centres. ( Mataji clears her throat.) The all-pervading power requires a medium, to trigger something and when these people were created as Realized souls, as they got connected with this ' all-pervading power', I think they had triggered it. They had that confidence within them, that courage in them because once we are realized, you become very courageous and you want to establish truth at any cost. Interviewer: Shri Mataji the west, shall we call it the western nations have had Sahaja yoga available to them to investigate to see for themselves how it worked for 20 years and yet it has been very slow to grow. Why does it( pause) happen this way, do you think? Shri Mataji: Here people have so many diverse ideas about things. They are very self-opinionated also about things and the so-called man-made religions all over have also conditioned them so much. They have other conditioning of different norms that they have as far as the social life is concerned and the physical appearances rather on a very superficial level. So the people have not grown, I think so, much deeper. Of course, I must say there are so many seekers in the west. So many seekers and they were lost because as soon as people knew that there's a market for them, the false gurus jumped out and they started preaching about false things just to earn money. They were all money-oriented people, Now there's another psychology with the western mind that you must buy everything, If something is not for sale it is useless and this psychology has really deterred them to come to Sahaja yoga very much because this is a living process and you can't pay for it and they could not bear it. I mean, actually, I must say, one of the very important television gentlemen told me that Anglo Saxon brain cannot accept anything which cannot be sold. I did not know what to tell him. I just said,' who has made this brain? His god has made. Then why is it so?' Interviewers, you have an expectation really that the thing we call Sahaja Yoga will change the word? Shri Mataji: Of course. IT changes human beings and they manifest a change outside. And we create a new race. That is what they are talking about. If you want they talk of a new age, of a new race but I don't know what is their imagination about it. They talk about all this thing, 'Aquarius.' And Aquarius is the kundalini. She is placed in the Aquarius, and they talk about the Aquarius age. All kinds of things they are talking, writing, thinking about, but when it comes to actualization I think they think I am very too simple for them. Not complicated. Sahaja yoga is too simple. It should be very complicated. And all their own ideas about seeking, that they must suffer, they-- must go to the Himalayas, they must starve themselves and then only they can get realization. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, is the evolution of the planet closely related to the evolution of humanity? Shri Mataji: Of course. IT is very much related, and the planet, our planet is moving in a spiral way. All the planets are moving in a spiral way and they are creating all possible things for the use of human beings so that they can save time. Save time for getting their ascent and for meditative growth, but people don't understand that part. Interviewer: There are theories around now, the suggestion so we say, that the planet could be a living organism, a complete entity? Shri Mataji: Of course it is. One of the examples of this one, I can give you, is that if you sleep under a coconut tree, a coconut never falls on anything that is living, whether it is a human being or snake. Never falls. Interviewer: That is so? Is it all around the world, coconuts never fall on living creatures? Shri Mataji: So they-- understand. We call it as Shri Pala because we think that it is like a brain which understands. Interviewer: Well, if this world is a living organism, what is the brain? What drives this being, this organism? What has made it evolve the way it has? Shri Mataji: There is this subtle power which is all-pervading of God's love which manifests all the things like living work, all nourishment all balancing. It's so balanced if the Pacific was slightly deeper than this, there would have been a problem. If Himalaya said one and a half times more than what it is, there would have been problems. So everything is so balanced in nature, and the Almighty has created only one world. Only human beings have divided and moved like criminals with our passports in our hands. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, What we have been talking about, many people would regard as a belief or a theory? How does one know the difference between truth and a belief? Shri Mataji: First of all anything for which you have to pay money is not the truth. You can't pay for the truth. If you cancel out that, I think 99.9% of all the falsehood will drop out. But truth to be really actualized you have to have Self-realization. Then you feel on your fingertips vibratory awareness. A new awareness.A new dimension awareness by which you can make out what is truth and what is false. That is an absolute truth that you realize at that stage. Interviewer: So one must have one's realization really to be able, to tell the truth? Shri Mataji: Even to follow anyone, one must have a Realization. Interviewer: Shri Mataji thank you very much. Shri Mataji: Thank you. Interviewer: I was reading an article just now where you were talking about inner peace and out peace? This seems to be something that attracts the attention of the people in a stressful age. Shri Mataji: By realizing what happens, as a result, you become a person endowed with thoughtless awareness. That means you see everything. You witness everything and whenever you want to say or to think you can see about it but you don't react. There is no reaction. So you are empowered to see it in such a manner that there need not be any thought, just the whole creation acts on you. It's a very subtle thing. It is to be experienced and that is the point where we realize that we are the source of peace, and that is how our inner peace is established. Now people have many foundations of peace, I have known all of them. They have no peace within themselves Some people have got peace award. They are horribly hot-tempered people but they have got peace awards, Noble prizes. The peace has to be first of all found inside and then it manifests outside. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, another question we wanted to ask you is because of this rather useful way, you use your hands to describe the movement of the chakra when they part. I wonder if you could just explain why, when illness occurs it occurs because of the movement away of one centre from another? Shri Mataji: All right. What I try to show them is that this is the left side, this is the right side. This is the left sympathetic nervous system and this is the right sympathetic nervous system and really the spinal cord looks like this, and inside here is the spinal cord which has the centres in it. The subtle centres. Now when you start using the energy of these centre, say too much on the right and it starts moving more towards the right and there is a constriction and the power becomes less because you are exhausting, going more towards the right side. Suddenly something happens and from the left, if there is a jerk, the connection is completely broken. This is on its own. It starts working on its own. That is what you say that this has become malignant. It has no relationship with the whole to have proportionate growth so if the nose starts developing it can cover your eyes and cover your mouth. This is how cancer is setting or any other disease. So many psychosomatic diseases are nothing but somatic from the right side and when the psyche gives in, then it becomes a psychosomatic disease. There are so many diseases which are more psychosomatic than physical and these we call them as incurable, can be easily cured by kundalini awakening because when kundalini passes through this, she just integrates them. For example, she's going like this then she goes into this integrates them. Just like she strings them like pearls and so they have brought around and also she nourishes that centre. That is how people get cured, automatically by themselves by their own power. Interviewer: Shri Mataji do you want to speak to the ABC in Adelaide this afternoon or would you rather that I rang them and said you are too busy? Shri Mataji: Yes, abrupt also a very flippant type of thing that is not going to help. Interviewer: They wanted to talk to you about false gurus and more. They have been having little trouble this morning you know. We have banners to put up announcing your program tonight and we had them on various bridges and we kept chasing them away and we finally found a place where they were allowed to stay? Shri Mataji: They must be busy with the election. They want to reserve places for election. Interviewer: If it was not for the election then they would be able to go anywhere.If it was anything else they are not so happy. Shri Mataji: That shows their attention.

The Power of kundalini (Interview) Shri Mataji with Stephen Taylor, Friday, March 16, 1990 Stephen Taylor: Shri Mataji, what is Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Sahaja. Saha means 'with'.Ja means 'born'. So it is born with you.' The right' to become 'united,' which is the yoga with the Divine. Stephen Taylor: And this Sahaja yoga is something that everybody can have, is it? Is it something, everybody can practice? Shri Mataji: Of course. Stephen Taylor: And how does this connect with the divine take place? Shri Mataji: We have within ourselves this power in the triangular bone which is called a 'Sacrum' meaning sacred, which when awakened sprouts like a prime in seed and rises through six subtle centres, opens out in the last centre and gets connected with the divine, which is subtle energy, all around us, which organizes us, which nourishes us, does all the living work. Above all it loves us. Interviewer: Does this mean that people who have not had the ability to practice Sahaj yoga are not connected with the divine? Shri Mataji: Most of them are not. And if some of them are, they don't know all about it. Interviewer: So this is what, an extra force that is available to human beings to develop themselves in this world? Shri Mataji: Of course. This is the last breakthrough of our evolution, where you have to get connected with the divine. You have to feel it on your central nervous system and that's how you get Self-realization. Interviewer: Do I perceive here that this is a way of balancing oneself?Of keeping in such a way of living one's life,(in such a way-repetition) that one is not unbalanced in one's view of what is going on around us? Shri Mataji: Yes. We have two sides in our system of the autonomous nervous system, left and right, which we call as left and right sympathetic nervous system. Left side caters to our emotions, our past, our desires. The right side caters to our action, physical and mental. If you indulge in one too much and go too far with it, you develop an imbalance within yourself. In the centre lies the third power which we call as a parasympathetic nervous system..This is the channel which is the central path of ascent. When the kundalini rises through it, it brings you in the balance because it rises in the centre of the system. So this is the minimum that happens, that you develop your balance. Interviewer: So how does one actually achieve this balance? Shri Mataji: It just happens spontaneously. Interviewer: In other words, there is no physical requirement for an individual? Shri Mataji: Not at all.Not at all. It's an evolutionary step. As I told you in our evolution, we have developed a balance, we can stand on our two legs. Animals cannot. In the same way, you develop this special balance between your emotion and your action in a very proper way. Interviewer: You speak as though this is some sort of evolutionary step? Shri Mataji: Yes it is. It is the last breakthrough, that you have to become the spirit now and this has to be achieved, which can be achieved only through a living process because we have become human beings through a living process and that living process has to act within us. Interviewer: This sounds as though it is rather a significant time than in the history of humanity? Shri Mataji: Very much. In the history of humanity, in the history of evolution, in the history of spirituality, it is the most important time because here, where you will get whatever has been promised to you so far. Interviewer: So it is no accident Sahaja yoga has appeared in the world at this time? Shri Mataji: No, not at all, not at all. It is all predicted thousands of years back in India and later on by many saints. Even William Blake has predicted it. Interviewer: Shri Mataji you went to Russia last year and I believe the reception you got was most surprising? Shri Mataji: I was myself surprised because thousands of people came and very sensible well-educated people came and they all settled down.Thousands. .I did not know how to cope with that number because there were so many, and even the members of the supreme council, the government, came. I could only say that in the so-called free societies we waste too much time experimenting with our freedom and indulge too much into politics which is a waste thing, then the economics, all these things. While the people there did not have any such chances. So they put their energies to something that was higher than that. They diverted and they were very knowledgeable, they knew a lot about seeking. They knew a lot about Kundalini and as if they were just waiting for me. It was very remarkable. Interviewer: Mr Gorbachev has said the Russian requires a mental revolution. Do you see the acceptance of Sahaja yoga as part of this revolution? Shri Mataji: Of course. He himself is a saint and what he is meaning by 'mental', that they should now understand that they have to develop that balance between communism and democracy. Our democracies are imbalanced. They are one-sided. They have no.. not the other side of collectivity but communism has collectivity. It is power-oriented. Our democracies are money-oriented. What he is meaning is the maturity of our wisdom. Interviewer: So referring back to what we were talking about earlier, is it okay about bringing the human body into balance? Could we say then that Mr Gorbachev is bringing the whole eastern Bloc into balance? Shri Mataji: Yes. Yes, they had gone too much on one side and he is trying to bring them to the centre. Interviewer: You mentioned that you went to an eastern bloc conference last year and I believe you gave many influential people, Realization? Is it true that you believe that this was instrumental in helping the overthrow of oppressive communism? Shri Mataji: It was a yoga, yoga seminar and I expected all of them to be there and surprisingly I talked to them hardly for 30 to 35 minutes and then I gave them realization and all of them got it. They were representatives from all these Eastern Bloc Countries. When they got it they were so surprised at it, then they walked out with me out of the hall and nobody was left in the hall to listen to other people. They gave me their addresses and they said we want 'this only', in our country and they wanted to start out centres and I am told they have already started centres. ( Mataji clears her throat.) The all-pervading power requires a medium, to trigger something and when these people were created as Realized souls, as they got connected with this ' all-pervading power', I think they had triggered it. They had that confidence within them, that courage in them because once we are realized, you become very courageous and you want to establish truth at any cost. Interviewer: Shri Mataji the west, shall we call it the western nations have had Sahaja yoga available to them to investigate to see for themselves how it worked for 20 years and yet it has been very slow to grow. Why does it( pause) happen this way, do you think? Shri Mataji: Here people have so many diverse ideas about things. They are very self-opinionated also about things and the so-called man-made religions all over have also conditioned them so much. They have other conditioning of different norms that they have as far as the social life is concerned and the physical appearances rather on a very superficial level. So the people have not grown, I think so, much deeper. Of course, I must say there are so many seekers in the west. So many seekers and they were lost because as soon as people knew that there's a market for them, the false gurus jumped out and they started preaching about false things just to earn money. They were all money-oriented people, Now there's another psychology with the western mind that you must buy everything, If something is not for sale it is useless and this psychology has really deterred them to come to Sahaja yoga very much because this is a living process and you can't pay for it and they could not bear it. I mean, actually, I must say, one of the very important television gentlemen told me that Anglo Saxon brain cannot accept anything which cannot be sold. I did not know what to tell him. I just said,' who has made this brain? His god has made. Then why is it so?' Interviewers, you have an expectation really that the thing we call Sahaja Yoga will change the word? Shri Mataji: Of course. IT changes human beings and they manifest a change outside. And we create a new race. That is what they are talking about. If you want they talk of a new age, of a new race but I don't know what is their imagination about it. They talk about all this thing, 'Aquarius.' And Aquarius is the kundalini. She is placed in the Aquarius, and they talk about the Aquarius age. All kinds of things they are talking, writing, thinking about, but when it comes to actualization I think they think I am very too simple for them. Not complicated. Sahaja yoga is too simple. It should be very complicated. And all their own ideas about seeking, that they must suffer, they-- must go to the Himalayas, they must starve themselves and then only they can get realization. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, is the evolution of the planet closely related to the evolution of humanity? Shri Mataji: Of course. IT is very much related, and the planet, our planet is moving in a spiral way. All the planets are moving in a spiral way and they are creating all possible things for the use of human beings so that they can save time. Save time for getting their ascent and for meditative growth, but people don't understand that part. Interviewer: There are theories around now, the suggestion so we say, that the planet could be a living organism, a complete entity? Shri Mataji: Of course it is. One of the examples of this one, I can give you, is that if you sleep under a coconut tree, a coconut never falls on anything that is living, whether it is a human being or snake. Never falls. Interviewer: That is so? Is it all around the world, coconuts never fall on living creatures? Shri Mataji: So they-- understand. We call it as Shri Pala because we think that it is like a brain which understands. Interviewer: Well, if this world is a living organism, what is the brain? What drives this being, this organism? What has made it evolve the way it has? Shri Mataji: There is this subtle power which is all-pervading of God's love which manifests all the things like living work, all nourishment all balancing. It's so balanced if the Pacific was slightly deeper than this, there would have been a problem. If Himalaya said one and a half times more than what it is, there would have been problems. So everything is so balanced in nature, and the Almighty has created only one world. Only human beings have divided and moved like criminals with our passports in our hands. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, What we have been talking about, many people would regard as a belief or a theory? How does one know the difference between truth and a belief? Shri Mataji: First of all anything for which you have to pay money is not the truth. You can't pay for the truth. If you cancel out that, I think 99.9% of all the falsehood will drop out. But truth to be really actualized you have to have Self-realization. Then you feel on your fingertips vibratory awareness. A new awareness.A new dimension awareness by which you can make out what is truth and what is false. That is an absolute truth that you realize at that stage. Interviewer: So one must have one's realization really to be able, to tell the truth? Shri Mataji: Even to follow anyone, one must have a Realization. Interviewer: Shri Mataji thank you very much. Shri Mataji: Thank you. Interviewer: I was reading an article just now where you were talking about inner peace and out peace? This seems to be something that attracts the attention of the people in a stressful age. Shri Mataji: By realizing what happens, as a result, you become a person endowed with thoughtless awareness. That means you see everything. You witness everything and whenever you want to say or to think you can see about it but you don't react. There is no reaction. So you are empowered to see it in such a manner that there need not be any thought, just the whole creation acts on you. It's a very subtle thing. It is to be experienced and that is the point where we realize that we are the source of peace, and that is how our inner peace is established. Now people have many foundations of peace, I have known all of them. They have no peace within themselves Some people have got peace award. They are horribly hot-tempered people but they have got peace awards, Noble prizes. The peace has to be first of all found inside and then it manifests outside. Interviewer: Shri Mataji, another question we wanted to ask you is because of this rather useful way, you use your hands to describe the movement of the chakra when they part. I wonder if you could just explain why, when illness occurs it occurs because of the movement away of one centre from another? Shri Mataji: All right. What I try to show them is that this is the left side, this is the right side. This is the left sympathetic nervous system and this is the right sympathetic nervous system and really the spinal cord looks like this, and inside here is the spinal cord which has the centres in it. The subtle centres. Now when you start using the energy of these centre, say too much on the right and it starts moving more towards the right and there is a constriction and the power becomes less because you are exhausting, going more towards the right side. Suddenly something happens and from the left, if there is a jerk, the connection is completely broken. This is on its own. It starts working on its own. That is what you say that this has become malignant. It has no relationship with the whole to have proportionate growth so if the nose starts developing it can cover your eyes and cover your mouth. This is how cancer is setting or any other disease. So many psychosomatic diseases are nothing but somatic from the right side and when the psyche gives in, then it becomes a psychosomatic disease. There are so many diseases which are more psychosomatic than physical and these we call them as incurable, can be easily cured by kundalini awakening because when kundalini passes through this, she just integrates them. For example, she's going like this then she goes into this integrates them. Just like she strings them like pearls and so they have brought around and also she nourishes that centre. That is how people get cured, automatically by themselves by their own power. Interviewer: Shri Mataji do you want to speak to the ABC in Adelaide this afternoon or would you rather that I rang them and said you are too busy? Shri Mataji: Yes, abrupt also a very flippant type of thing that is not going to help. Interviewer: They wanted to talk to you about false gurus and more. They have been having little trouble this morning you know. We have banners to put up announcing your program tonight and we had them on various bridges and we kept chasing them away and we finally found a place where they were allowed to stay? Shri Mataji: They must be busy with the election. They want to reserve places for election. Interviewer: If it was not for the election then they would be able to go anywhere.If it was anything else they are not so happy. Shri Mataji: That shows their attention.

3/17/1990

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Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness Part 2

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Public Program Day 2, “Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness”. Hilton hotel, Sydney (Australia), 17 March 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. I’m happy you all are enjoying this music and this dancing, and about these artists I have to say that after coming to Sahaja Yoga, at a very young age they achieved such mastery. Because, when the Kundalini rises, as I told you, She enriches your centres. The centre about which I was going to talk to you today is the centre of creativity (Swadishthan) which looks after your power of action, physical and mental. This power of action moves on the right side of the spinal cord and coming to the optic chiasma, it crosses over, passes to the left side and creates an institution called ego. The institution of ego is a myth. What we do is to get something dead, like some trees dead so make some platform or some furniture. We take some stones and make a hall, and we think we have done a great job. Actually, what we have done is to reconstructed the dead, but while doing it we get the feeling that we have done it, something. That is how our ego develops. This channel on the right-hand side caters to your future. So those people who plan too much, think too much, exhaust the energy of this centre because this centre has the first responsibility to convert the fat cells in the stomach for the use of the brain, which is overused, to make them into grey cells. So, when you start thinking too much, it has to work more for this very important function. When it starts working for one function, the other functions are neglected. And the other functions are: it has to cater, to nourish or to give energy to your liver, to your pancreas, to your spleen, to your kidneys and part of your intestine. So, once you start neglecting these organs, first your liver suffers. Means, the function of liver gets limited. The function basically of the liver, basically, is to absorb the heat of the body which is the poison and allow it to permeate into the bloodstream. But the energy is so limited that it cannot function properly. So, this centre starts neglecting liver and liver then cannot get rid of all the heat of the body, so the heat starts flowing upward. When it starts flowing upward then there’s a centre what you call as the Right Heart – which gets affected. People develop a disease called asthma with it. Also, they develop a disease what you call as a massive heart attack, on the left-hand side, when the heat reaches there. They also can develop a paralysis of the right side when it reaches the brain. The vulnerability is there. And then it’s triggered somehow by the left side action, maybe. Such people are futuristic. They go on planning for the future. Future doesn’t exist, only the present is the truth. But they go on planning about future, waste their energies and ultimately find that all their plans fail. One must know the Divine plan. If you know the Divine plan, then you don’t have to plan because you know the Divine is already planning for you everything. When you understand after Realisation that everything is done by Paramchaitanya, by this All-Pervading Power, by this Ruh, then you do not think that you are doing something. Moreover, as I told you, when the Kundalini rises through the Agnya Chakra, both these institutions of ego and superego are sucked in so there is no ego, so you become egoless, so your karmas or your duties or your so-called work you have done become akarmas. Then you don’t talk like this, that “I have done this, I have done that.” They say, “Oh it’s rising, it’s happening, it’s working out.” You start speaking in the third person. Even sometimes children you will find they talk like that. “This little boy won’t go because it is obstinate.” They’ll talk about themselves. If you notice if they’re realised souls, they’ll talk like that – in the third person. So, you become a third person. And nourishment to this centre comes through your Realisation as the Kundalini is connected to the mains. As a result, you get into balance. You are in thoughtless awareness. Somebody has asked Me about the thinking, yesterday. So, the thought arises from the past or from the future. As we have a capacity to react, because of the construction of our body as a prism. It’s a little scientific thing, but if you listen to some of My lectures, you’ll understand what I mean. Now what happens, when you see something, you react – anything you see, you react. You see this carpet, you’ll react. You’ll see this mic, you’ll react. You’ll think something about it. So, a thought comes either from the future or from the past and there’s a wave of thought coming and going, again thought coming and going. It comes and disappears. In between these thoughts there’s a little space which is the present. But if I say you pay attention to yourself – to your present – you cannot, unless and until you are a realised soul. So, when the Kundalini rises, these thoughts become – they lean out, means they become thin. When they become thin, the space in between increases and that’s how you become thoughtlessly aware. So, the thinking is minimised, then the liver doesn’t have to do all the time the job of converting your fat cells into grey cells. It comes into balance. Then the second one is the pancreas. That is neglected, too. In a person who is futuristic, who thinks too much, plans too much, that also becomes neglected. Now, the function of the pancreas is to absorb the sugar into bloodstream in a proper way. But because it is neglected, it has a very limited energy, it cannot function so you get diabetes. Because of too much thinking, you get diabetes. As I told you yesterday that in India, if you have to give tea to someone, be careful if he is from a village, because in the village you have to put so much sugar that the spoon should stand at right angles. Otherwise, it’s no tea for them. And they never get diabetes, never get diabetes. Diabetes is the headache of the people who sit on chairs, write, think, worry and are time bound. All such people get diabetes. They’re futuristic, egoistical, arrogant, hot-tempered. And such people get also heart attacks which are of a massive nature. The Left Heart is connected in a way, when there’s too much of exertion on the physical side also one can get heart attack. The another type of heart attack one gets is angina, that’s due to some other reason, that’s due to the lethargic heart. So now we have another problem which is very serious is that of the spleen. Spleen is the speedometer. It’s the one that gives us rhythm. If we are rhythmic in life, spleen keeps all right. But we are very hectic. And the function of the spleen is to create red blood corpuscles whenever there is an emergency. So, the way we are, we are always under a shock. Early in the morning you get up, what do you see? You read the newspaper, horrid news. I mean newspapers have to give horrid news, they never give good news, you know. They say, “We don’t want to say if some plane has landed safely.” But if there’s a disaster, so many have died, killed in action, murders, horrible things, naturally you get a shock, because you are a human being and in a subconscious you feel, in unconscious area you get the jerk. There’s a shock. Then you start the day in a hectic way, you are time-bound, you have to rush, you can’t take your breakfast, you just take something, grab, rush to the car or maybe on anything and then you find the jam in modern days. Everything keeps you on a tension. Then you reach the office, there’s the boss who’s getting angry with you because you’re late. As it is, I don’t know how much work we really produce. Only the mess we have created in this world I think much more in the modern times than much work. We cannot have people like Mozart nowadays, we can’t have anyone like Michelangelo, we cannot have any artists who can create beautiful things, we do not have beautiful buildings now – horrible, plastics. We cannot have beautiful, artistic clothes. Everything is becoming plastic and for which we are working so very hard to create plastic mountains. All this leads to tensions, so we become tense. And the tensions go on increasing as this ego increases, covers all your head and you go into tension. But the worst thing that happens to you that this spleen which is the one responsible for keeping the rhythm of your life, goes hectic and becomes crazy, doesn’t understand what sort of a personality you are. Sometimes you rush to that, sometimes you rush to that. There’s no rhythm in the life. So, it gets upset and it starts producing red blood corpuscles unrhythmically, it doesn’t know. So, the vulnerability is there. And as soon as there’s any triggering from the left side, you develop a horrible disease called blood cancer, and the only treatment you can have in the medical science is that you’ll be certified that you’ll die after eight days or after one month. That’s the only possibility. But, with Kundalini awakening your own power nourishes this centre and supplies energy, soothes down your hectic speedometer which is the spleen and the disease gets cured. There are many we know of who got their blood cancer cured and even after six, seven years they’re living and kicking all right. All this is available to you within yourself. This is all been promised. Many great people have written about it. It’s not that I’m saying something new. Only the new thing we are seeing here is that you can get en masse Realisation. Then is the kidney. Kidney also gets affected, firstly by the heat of the liver, secondly by the strenuous type of life you lead – futuristic, neglected – and then you get blood pressures. Blood pressures you get till you get failure of your kidneys or you might get a paralysis – anything is possible. So, we have blood pressure, high blood pressure. All this is only because of one centre, when it is out of gear. But if all the seven centres are out of gear, what should happen to us? And I think the modern life is such that it could be, all centres could be in danger. So, it is eminent, is important that we should get our Kundalini awakened and we should enjoy the best health. Health of course you enjoy very well, no doubt. But apart from health you enjoy many other things. First of all, you enjoy yourself. Today there’s no time to discuss all the centres but still I would say that I would like to give you all the benefits of Sahaja Yoga, which are possible, that you start enjoying others. You become righteous, as I told you, and you start enjoying your virtues. You are no more a critic of things. If you have to criticise, you criticise yourself, laugh at yourself and you don’t laugh at others. You start connecting yourself if you have the art of Kundalini awakening, because yoga means, of course, the union with the Divine. Also means 'yukti', meaning 'the deftness' – deftness to raise the Kundalini of yours and of others. If you know the decoding of these centres, of these centres on your fingertips – five, six and seven on the left side; and five, six and seven on the right side – if you just know the decoding, immediately you can do the diagnosis, what is wrong basically with you, and you can correct it. So physically, mentally, emotionally you can correct yourself; and spiritually you ascend. You ascend to a state of a saint, a sage. And the time has come for us to become sages. For that you don’t have to leave your homes, houses, run away from your families, nothing. That’s an escape. You don’t have to suffer. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God to enjoy that beauty and bounty of His love. Now this balance is important within us. There’s one more disease, a very common one in the West is the cancer of the breast in the case of women, which comes from the centre of Heart. The centre, there are three hearts according to Sahaja Yoga – one is the Central Heart, one is Left and one Right. Now the Central Heart is placed in the spinal cord, below the sternum bone. Sternum bone is the one that creates the antibodies till the age of twelve years. And then they get distributed all over. And these antibodies then fight all the emergencies and overcome all the troubles for us, but then they can become also very weak. So, the remote control is in the sternum bone. Now this centre is the centre of a Mother, of the Primordial Mother, we can say, of the Mother Who is the Mother of this Universe and Mother of this world Who looks after the security of children, security of the people. When a woman is challenged in her motherhood – supposing she is a wife of someone and husband is giving her insecurities by any means, supposing his is a wayward person or he’s always threatening her or dominating her or challenging her – her security gets disturbed and then this trouble starts. Maybe her children, maybe anyone can give this insecurity to a woman and that’s how she develops this cancer of the breast. That also can be corrected if the Kundalini could be made to pass through this centre and nourish it. The centre that is the most important is the seventh centre. The seventh centre is the centre which is placed around the limbic area in the head which has got one thousand petals and when enlightened it looks like beautiful flames, very wide flames just like petals of all the seven colours. That’s why it is said in the Bible, “I’ll appear before you like flames.” These are the flames, you see. This is the most important thing because around the limbic area are placed all the seats, governing seats of all the centres. So, if this centre is fully opened out, they all get drenched by the grace of the Divine Power and the person really, really enjoys Sahaja Yoga in the best possible way. He’s a happy person, he’s a joyous person, he emits joy, he emits peace, he’s compassionate, he’s tireless, he looks after people and such a person can achieve great heights of purity within himself. The another centre which is bestowed by Christ, as I told yesterday, is the Agnya Chakra, which is also very important because Christ has said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” That’s what He has said it. You should find out among Christian nations how many have got such pure eyes. Pure eyes means those who do not react, just witness, watch. There’s no greed, there’s no lust in those eyes. Such eyes are so powerful that even a glance of such an eye can give salvation. And this is what it is: we have to achieve the pure eyes. Such pure eyes are the only one which give you the joy of seeing. Of course, you’ll have the books, you can read them and find out about all the centres and know about it. But what we have to see is that the problems of the world are because of us. We are the problems, and we manifest the problems outside which reflect back upon us like the waves come back and dash against the shore and again are reflected back. We have to, ourselves, get into the state of sages. Then nobody has to tell you, “Do this” or “Do that.” You become your own master, you become your own guru, and you look after yourself. I have to apologise for one thing – that Sahaja Yoga started in Australia with a little jerk. They were Australians who started it, but they were not up to the mark, I must say they were not – created lots of problem for us, lots of problems. And we didn’t know what to do with them. It has happened nowhere in the world as it has happened here. I don’t know why it took lot of time for it to properly establish itself. Thank God now we have people who are sensible and I hope you will make it convenient after getting your Realisation to establish yourself properly, establish yourself and reach that state of Nirvikalpa, doubtless awareness. If you have any problem, you should write to Me directly. You don’t have to bear anything. Christ has already taken the cross upon Himself, so we don’t have to do anything. If there’s any problem that you find is not all right, you should write to Me instead of getting disappointed or getting frustrated. Is best is to write to Me. I know it’s far away – Australia is very far off. But this is the land which is the land of purity. This is the land in the universe is the first centre that you see there, and Uluru that you have – Uluru means, as I told you, is the Chaitanya, is the symbol of that purity. So, you stand for the innocence of the world. You are such a great nation here that stands for the innocence, and you could be very gullible. So, you have to be careful and understand your own identity as innocent people. And I am sure it will work out very well for all of you. And this country which has many problems will be solved by your own purity and the whole world can be helped with your own purity and beautiful lives. May God bless you! 01:33:40 Yesterday we had too many questions. Too many. And I told you that by asking questions – I can answer all of them, I think so, but I cannot guarantee that if I answer you that means I can give you awakening. It’s not guaranteed that way. So, if you want to have your Realisation and if there is any problem that stands between that Realisation and yourself, then it is better you should ask Me some question. It’s much better to save time. Question: Is raising the Kundalini dangerous? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Kundalini is your mother. She’s your individual mother and She looks after you. She knows everything about you. She’s taped everything that you have been doing, you have been desiring. She knows everything about you and She’s anxiously waiting to give you your second birth. As your mother took up upon herself all the labour pains, She takes all the troubles for Herself. We have had so many people. I have never seen anyone getting into trouble. This myth has been created by people who are money-oriented, I think, who wanted to frighten you so that you don’t go to reality and pay them well. Question: Could You define “Kundalini”? Shri Mataji: Yesterday I did. You came today only? Oh, I see. Kundalini is a power, as I told you, is a residual power, is the fourth power within us which resides in the triangular bone in three and a half coils. And It rises through six centres, subtle centres. This is the power of your pure desire. All other desires are impure because they’re never satiable in general. The only desire that is pure is to be one with the Divine. (Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi) Nanak Sahib has described as surti. Kabira especially has described it as surti. But imagine human beings how they are. Kabira was born in Bihar, most of his work was in Bihar. Later on, he went to Punjab. And in Bihar they call tobacco as surti. Yes, in Bihar they do. It’s very surprising to call tobacco as surti. So many things of Granth Sahib can only be understood when you get your Self Realisation otherwise you cannot. (Shri Mataji recites lines from Kabira’s Granth Sahib) What is this apa? Is your Self. He is the one who has done the tremendous work on this. Tremendous work on Kundalini, all of them – Namadeva. Even to think of them is great. Question: How is that you can control your ego and all that as well as the (inaudible). Shri Mataji: Yah. This is the first temptation you have. Yah, yah, yah. Agreed with you that it starts giving you ego if you are not fully developed in Sahaja Yoga. This is the first temptation, I know that. But people become very creative. It has happened to many Sahaja Yogis I have seen, they became very creative, they started producing lot of potteries and things, and started producing beautiful paintings. There was one Australian lady she produced very beautiful paintings and she got, won fame and all that, and ego had blasted her completely. And she came to see Me in Perth, I found such heat coming out of her, like a cancer patient, absolutely like a cancer patient. And then if you tell her, “You have got ego,” they don’t like it. Because they’re so egoistical. That’s why you have to take the Kundalini always up there. You shouldn’t be satisfied. You see, that’s the slipping point sometimes, so be careful. Be careful. Now look at these artists, they are so simple. Our attention should be, “What have I attained in Sahaja Yoga, is my spiritual ascent?” This is just a temptation, one of the temptations that people have. That’s not so important. Now for these artists, the most important thing is just to play for Me, that’s all. Yogi (repeating the question asked by a man in the audience): You say we shouldn’t plan too much. Could You explain that because obviously we need to plan a little. Shri Mataji (laughs): You see, if you are in Sahaja Yoga and in meditative mood. If you’re in a meditative mood and if you’re in Sahaja Yoga, then you just don’t plan, because you know the planning is already done for you. I know that if you take the name of “airport”, only “airport” you take the name and most of the men will start jumping. They’ll go at least one hour earlier than reporting time. Aeroplane is not going to fly out, you see, but they fear that it will fly out. Now, if you are a Sahaja Yogi and if you are going for catching a plane, say example, you should know what time you have to leave and you leave at that time, you’ll reach there in time. You don’t have to see, watch all the time, you’ll just leave at that time, exactly at that time you’ll leave. But also, if you are a little late, the plane will be for you. But you don’t want to be unkind and the Paramachaitanya looks after you. You’ll just remember you have to go now, you leave that time. It is so simple. But to believe that Somebody Else is planning us is beyond our ego. Yogi: He says if he has to leave the planning of his life to someone else, he’s denying his own individuality – he’s denying that fact that he creates his own life if he leaves the planning. Shri Mataji: That’s a good one, in a way is good. Why do you want to have this kind of a feeling that you are creating the world? Nobody’s creating. You can’t even create even a grain of clay. No, you can’t. You can’t create anything. What’s he saying? Yogi: He says he’s creating his own experience now just by raising his right hand or his left hand. Shri Mataji: You see you have to be little deeper to understand the significance. Also, to have faith in yourself that supposing you become connected with the Divine Power. Now, I’ll tell you what. Supposing you see a television. All right? The television is connected to the mains there. All right. Now you want to see Shakespeare, for example, that’s your plan. But there’s another plan there going on, and when you open, it’s not Shakespeare, it’s something else. So, what do you do? Do you loose your identity? (Laughter and applause) Now it’s all right for him. All right, you follow My advice and you’ll see what I am saying. All right? Now just give it a chance. Give it a chance. First of all, get your Realisation and give it a chance. All right? Hah. Question: What is the best way to go towards Self Realisation? Shri Mataji: That’s what we are going to do. All right? That’s a very good question. You just wait. After all these questions are over, we’ll have that. Yogi: He says he understands why our own actions cause imbalances in ourselves but how about young children? How do these diseases get caused in young children? Shri Mataji: Now for example, a mother is a very busy lady. When the child is there, she’s doing all kinds of work and thinking too much, running too much. Or the father is doing that, that has an effect on the child. You see, human beings are delicately made. I mean in ancient times, if a woman was to have a baby, she used to take it very easy and she used to read something spiritual, she used to be thinking about her child and feeling that motherhood within herself. But the mother doesn’t think of the child. She just thinks she has to today go for hairdo or she has to do something – face lifting or something like that. I don’t know much about these things, but that’s what I’ve seen. It’s too much of superficiality and this has killed the beauty even of romance, you’ll be surprised. Absolutely, it’s absurd. These hair dressers have ruined the beauty of women in the way because somebody likes one particular type of hair dress, he falls in love with the hair dress. Now she changes her hair dress, he wants to have a divorce with her. So superficial attachments to superficial things! There’s no deeper attachments to innate, something so natural. Artificial things cannot lead us anywhere, they can never give us joy. Yogi: Is wanting Realisation futuristic? Shri Mataji: Good. Good. Now what is she wanting here, this lady? That’s what I’m going to do. I’m very happy. That part you just forget, the rest of it. Is there any other question? Now let’s see. Yogi: One in the back. Woman: Will we see a time when most of the world will have their Realisation? Shri Mataji: Hope so. Hope so. I would say that’s My dream. I wish, I wish that happens. I’m actually desireless. But your desires work. If you desire. Is the other way round. It’s not, “Thy will be done,” but it’s “Thy will be done.” If you desire, it will happen, it will happen. Yogi: Is it wrong to want or desire a family and have unity in a family and to enjoy the normal pleasures of life? Shri Mataji: I mean, we are marrying so many people. It’s not at all. It’s the best thing to have a family and children. But not to get involved so much into your family that you forget your ascent. How many times you are married in previous lives and how many children you have had in previous lives? Now this is the time for your ascent and your family should be complimentary. If it is not complimentary it’s not going to help you. It is your choice, you’re free will. If you want to get dissolved into your own children and your family only and not to have any ascent, nobody can force you. Go ahead with it. But this time is important. This is an important time. Of course, you have to have family; of course, you have to get married. You have to lead a very normal life. Nothing abnormal. But if somebody is too much attached to the family, forgets his own ascent, then I think he is missing the point. That is the most important thing in life. Yes, please? Yogi: Isn’t the greatest danger in the future over population? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Actually, there are no imbalances that’s why there is a population growth in some countries and no population in some countries. Like on the BBC gentleman came and asked Me in London, he said, “Why do you have such a population growth?” First, he asked – I mean they are, you know after all, they can ask very funny questions. They have every right to do what they like. So, first question he asked, “Why, why is it in India you have so much poverty?” I said, “If you have a guest for three hundred years in your country, what will happen to you? You’ll become a broke.” Then he said that, “Such a population growth in Your country, what about that?” I said, “If you can allow Me, very humbly I would state you are responsible for that also.” He said, “How are we responsible?” I said, “In England, I used to hear that two children are killed every week in England by their parents.” He said, “No, only in London.” I said, “Really? That’s the case? So, what child, which child would like to be born in this country?” That’s why you see in Germany it’s minus, Sweden is minus, Norway is minus. All these countries are having minus growth and people are competing in committing suicide. Switzerland – there’s a competition on. All these countries are supposed to be affluent countries where they have money, they can look after their children better, they are competing in having suicides and in having minus growth. But in India, even if you have ten children or twelve children, love is all the time there available to them. And what a child needs is love, not all these pomp and show that you should have a nice cot or a nice this but a loving mother. That’s why they come to India. Now if you create such mothers, they’ll come to you also. Question: How long should a man or a woman sleep? Shri Mataji: You see, there’s no hard and fast rule for that, actually. I think as you grow old you don’t sleep so much; I personally think that way. I sleep very little, Myself. In the night about three hours; in the daytime about one hour or so. But depends on – it depends. So, for sleeping, there’s no hard and fast rule, but whatever time you are born, that’s the time you want to sleep. So, some people like to sleep in the morning, all right let them sleep. And some people want to sleep in the night, let them sleep. Makes no difference. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga, all these conditionings disappear. And then you start behaving in a different manner. There’s a transformation. And then maximum time you want to give for your meditation, for knowing about Sahaja Yoga, and you get more time. Actually, we should have much more time than our ancestors. You know, we don’t have to go to the jungles to get our wood for our fire, we don’t have to do all the rest of the things they used to do. Poor things, they had to go for hunting. Now we have everything in the house already made, I mean, instant. Isn’t it? And we have the watch on all of the time watching the watch. But we have no time. We are the worst. They had more time than we have. So where are we spending the time? While coming here I just asked him, “What do they make?” Because I was seeing all Chinese things, Japanese things, and then I saw lots of Greek, and most of them were Italian things in the market, shops. I said, “What do the Australians make?” He said, “They make lager.” Where do we spend our time? In the ballroom dancing? Or in the lager? Or in some way destroying ourselves with drugs or something like that? We have no time. We have time for drugs. All right. Then parties, some formal things which have no meaning at all. It conveys nothing. I have been now in London in a position where I had to shake hands with six to seven hundred people. And only I remember the horrible things that happen to the hand, otherwise I don’t remember even the faces of the people. So, there should be a better method of developing a rapport between us, understanding each other in much more natural way. And then we have time – this is the time to enjoy. But nobody enjoys because we are so time bound, we are so time bound. Only time to enjoy we don’t have. And that’s how whatever you people say about sleeping or waking up and all that is that your regulation doesn’t come from the Divine. If it is from the Divine, you just enjoy, you just enjoy your life, you enjoy yourself. Never feel ill or sick. And now I am sixty-seven, every day I’m giving lectures, morning, evening. And the smokes, the way people smoke, women – especially in Australia, I don’t know what has gone wrong with them – I try to go with the women so that I’ll be saved from smoking, they smoke more than the men even here. So, I’ve developed a throat trouble, I hope it will be all right. But this is what happens. Where do we spend our time? There then you are beyond time, into the timeless dimension enjoying yourself. That’s the beauty we have to achieve; that state we have to reach. All right? What is it? Yogi: He says, “My revered father has been for the past three or four years experiencing astral sounds, but physically his hearing is impaired or cut off for all practical purposes. Twenty-four hours a day he is able to tune into the chanting of sacred Hindu hymns, devotional music rendered by an enchanting voice that accompanied by a violin, etcetera. He has done no special tapas or meditation but he is very naïve and a simple soul. Is it because of the awakening of the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Not at all. All these things should not happen to you. You don’t hear anything; you don’t see anything. You become, you just become. This is a subject which has to be dealt with clearly about the dead souls and things, it’s quite a big subject. But if you come to Sahaja Yoga, you’ll understand what happens, how you hear these things and how astral things happen, how your cot deaths take place. All these are all negative things and are achieved by people who deal in the science of the dead. Which is very important that you should get out of all these ideas and become your Self. Only way to know if a person is Realised is [or] not, the way he can handle the Kundalini, the way he can feel the vibrations, and the way he leads his own life. When you go to any guru, first of all see the disciples, how they are, how they behave, what powers they have got. Then you accept. That’s the sign of a satguru. Nanaka has said clearly. Guru Nanak was such an enlightened soul and he said that, “The one who meets you, meet God, is the satguru.” Everybody is not a guru. 02:00:15 So, should we now have this Realisation? (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi) That’s for only Indians. Indians abroad. Now should we now finish that? Can we take out our shoes because we have to take the help of the Mother Earth. As I’ve told you, it cannot be forced. I respect your freedom, respect your freedom. It’s your free will. If you want to have your Realisation only you can have, otherwise you cannot. It cannot be forced on you. So those who do not want should leave the hall to be civil to other people. Otherwise you are welcome. There are two conditions in Sahaja Yoga, at least when you are getting your Realisation. First is to forget your past, to forgive yourself. You should be pleasantly placed towards yourself, pleasantly placed towards yourself. And second one is that you have to forgive everyone. As I told you yesterday, whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. Actually, if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. So just neglect it, completely. Don’t worry about it. And in general, you should say, “I forgive everyone.” Just say in general, “I forgive everyone.” That’s all. Not to count how many people you have to forgive, not to know about everyone, what they have said to you, but just forgive in general. That’s all. So, the first one is to forget your past. That means not to feel guilty at all. You’re not to feel guilty. After all, you are a human being and human beings can only commit mistakes. You’re not gods. So, what does it matter? There’s nothing to bother you on that point. Should not. So please forgive yourself and forgive others. That’s very important. These are the two simple conditions. But mentally, you should accept them. Now, we have to put both our feet little away from each other because you know there are two powers within us – left and right. And we use our left hand symbolically to suggest that we want our Self Realisation and this is the power of desire, not of Pure Desire, but desire. And we use our right hand which is the power of action to nourish our centres on the left-hand side. We’ll be nourishing our left-hand centres only. So now you please put your left hand, comfortably the way you want to put it – it will hardly take ten minutes – and use your right hand, as I show you now and then we have to close our eyes. First, put it on your heart. This is the centre where resides the Spirit – so is a very important centre. Then you take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side which is the centre of your mastery created by great masters. Now take down your right hand again to the lower portion of your abdomen. It is the centre – I hope you can see it, just come forward a little bit if you don’t mind – this is the centre of Pure Knowledge, Pure Knowledge that acts on your central nervous system. Then you raise again your hand up on to the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard. Then, on to your heart. Then into the corner of your neck and your head. Press it as back as possible and turn your head to your right. This centre you catch when you feel guilty. Now you take your hand and put it on your forehead. Put down your head on it, press it hard. This is the centre to forgive others. Take your right hand on the back side of your head and please raise your head towards the sky. This is the centre to ask for forgiveness from Divine without feeling guilty. Then stretch your palm. Put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Bend your head. Now, stretch your fingers outward, outward as much as you can, put a pressure on your scalp, and move your scalp clockwise. Seven times very slowly. Now, that’s all we have to do. Now you can close your eyes, put your left hand towards Me. Be careful, you keep your feet apart. Those who are sitting on the ground are all right. And now close your eyes. You can take out your spectacles if you want to, because don’t have to open the eyes till I tell you. Now, please put your left hand towards Me, and right hand on your heart. Now close your eyes. Please don’t open them till I tell you. Here you have to ask Me a question, a very important question. You can call me “Mother” or you can call Me “Shri Mataji”, whatever you like, very important question. Ask a question three times in your heart, not loudly, please: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask this question three times. If you are the Spirit you are your own guide, you are your own master. So now please bring down your hand, right hand, in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard, and here, ask another question three times, “Mother, am I my own master?” Ask this question three times: “Mother, am I my own master?” Now, as I told you, I respect your freedom, and you have a free will. I cannot force Pure Knowledge on you – it cannot be. You have to ask for it. So now take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and ask Me, “Mother, please give me Pure Knowledge.” Six times, because this centre has got six petals. “Mother, please give me Pure Knowledge. As soon as you ask this question, the Kundalini starts moving upward. So now we have to nourish the upper centres to make Its movement, Her movement, faster. So please raise your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard and here you say with full confidence, with full confidence you say, “Mother, I am my own master.” Please say it ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” These things remove your conditionings from wrong teachings. Now you raise your hand, the most important question that is you are not your body, you are not your intelligence, you’re not your emotions, you are not your conditionings, your ego, your thoughts, but you are pure Spirit. So, raise your right hand on to your heart and say with full confidence twelve times, full confidence please, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Just say that, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Please say it twelve times. Now, raise your right hand to another very important area within us where, by feeling guilty all the time, we have harmed a very important centre. I have to tell you that the Divine Power is the Ocean of Knowledge and Love. It is the Ocean of Bliss and Joy. But above all, above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness, and whatever mistakes or wrongs you have done are dissolved by the power of forgiveness. So, raise your right hand into the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times, “Mother, I’m not guilty at all.” Again, you say, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” Sixteen times. I’ve already told you whether you forgive others or not, you’re not doing anything, it is a myth. But if you don’t forgive others, then you fall into the wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing. So now, please raise your right hand onto your forehead across, press it hard on both the sides and put down your head as far as possible, resting on your hand, and press it on both the sides. This is the centre where you have to forgive, forgive others, forgive others. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Without thinking about them or thinking about what they have done to you, just say in general, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Now, how many times is not the point – from your heart. You must say it properly. Yesterday so many didn’t say and I had to work very hard on them. So please say it, please say it from your heart once for all, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Now take back your hand on the back side of your head, on the optic globe and now raise it higher and let it rest on your hand. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction, not feeling guilty, not counting your mistakes, “Oh Divine Power, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me.” Say it from your heart. Now, stretch your palm, keeping your left hand towards Me. This is the most important centre. Both the feet apart from each other. Keep yourself straight and put your right hand, the centre of your palm, on top of the fontanel bone area, the soft bone which you had in your childhood, and press it. Now bend your head as much as you can, press back your fingers, press back your thumb so there’s a pressure on your scalp, nicely pressurised. Now move it, move it slowly seven times. Here again I cannot, I’m sorry, I cannot disrespect your freedom and free will. You have to ask for your Self Realisation, it cannot be forced on you. So, seven times, please say seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self Realisation.” Please say it seven times. (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone seven times) Now please take down your both the hands and open your eyes slowly, very slowly. Now watch Me without thinking. You can do it. Now, put up your right hand like this and bend your head and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Bend your head. It is above your head, not on. So little away from the head, try to feel if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. You can take your hand a little further. Some people have it quite away from the head. So, see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out. Now, put the left hand towards Me and put down your head. Now see for yourself, again with the right hand, if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people will get heat coming out, doesn’t matter, it will later on be followed by cool breeze also. You see yourself if there is the cool breeze coming. Bend your head properly, that’s important. Now, again put your right hand towards Me and bend your head. Now don’t doubt. The breeze is coming from inside and not from the air conditioner, so see for yourself. Again, this is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost, this Kundalini is the Holy Ghost. Now see. Now raise your both the hands towards the sky, push back your head and here you ask a question, “Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost?” “Mother, is this the All Pervading Power of Divine Love?” “Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?” Ask any one of these questions three times. Push back your head fully and ask this question. Separate your hands; don’t put them together. Separate your hands. May God bless you! Bring down your hands, please. You can watch Me without thinking. Now those who have felt the Cool Breeze or even a hot breeze out of their heads or on their fingertips, please raise both your hands. The whole of Sydney is drowned into the Ocean of Joy. May God bless you! So, the Kundalini has sprouted, Kundalini has come out, you are connected with That, but you have to establish yourself. Otherwise it would be like the marshy land where Christ has described some seeds fell down, they sprouted and were destroyed. Must respect our Self Realisation, we must respect ourselves. Now you have become saints and you have to understand that it’s a glorious thing that is happening to you, and you now become the instrument of God. You can come to the follow-on program, they have nice courses for you, something. You don’t have to pay anything, but you have to give some time, that’s all, and within a month you’ll find you’ll become masters: master of yourself and master of this art of yoga. They’ll answer all your questions. They’ll see to it that it works out. Now we have very good, humble people who’ll look after you, and they have all the knowledge, and you can also get My tapes and things where I tell you about – three to four thousand tapes are there only in English language, and in Hindi, Marathi and that way. But unless and until you are established, I would not like you to read books about it, because then again, you’ll get lost. So, first thing is to establish yourself fully so you don’t get lost into your ego, as you were saying, or into any such trips. Better get established first then nothing makes you feel that way. May God bless you all! I’ll be coming after one year and I hope all of you will become great trees giving the beautiful vibrations to this great country of innocence and changing everyone. The transformation within you will definitely help to change so many things in this country and you’ll be amazed how the planning of the Divine works for you every moment and how you’re helped and looked after, guided and protected. It’s very surprising. May God bless you! Yesterday I met most of you people. Those whom I have not met and who have got Realisation I would like to meet. It’s already it is ten-thirty. We had a music program. But whom I have met is all right. Those who haven’t got Realisation can come on one side. They can see. Those whom I have not met and who have got Realisation, can come and meet Me.

Public Program Day 2, “Swadishthan, Thinking, Illness”. Hilton hotel, Sydney (Australia), 17 March 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. I’m happy you all are enjoying this music and this dancing, and about these artists I have to say that after coming to Sahaja Yoga, at a very young age they achieved such mastery. Because, when the Kundalini rises, as I told you, She enriches your centres. The centre about which I was going to talk to you today is the centre of creativity (Swadishthan) which looks after your power of action, physical and mental. This power of action moves on the right side of the spinal cord and coming to the optic chiasma, it crosses over, passes to the left side and creates an institution called ego. The institution of ego is a myth. What we do is to get something dead, like some trees dead so make some platform or some furniture. We take some stones and make a hall, and we think we have done a great job. Actually, what we have done is to reconstructed the dead, but while doing it we get the feeling that we have done it, something. That is how our ego develops. This channel on the right-hand side caters to your future. So those people who plan too much, think too much, exhaust the energy of this centre because this centre has the first responsibility to convert the fat cells in the stomach for the use of the brain, which is overused, to make them into grey cells. So, when you start thinking too much, it has to work more for this very important function. When it starts working for one function, the other functions are neglected. And the other functions are: it has to cater, to nourish or to give energy to your liver, to your pancreas, to your spleen, to your kidneys and part of your intestine. So, once you start neglecting these organs, first your liver suffers. Means, the function of liver gets limited. The function basically of the liver, basically, is to absorb the heat of the body which is the poison and allow it to permeate into the bloodstream. But the energy is so limited that it cannot function properly. So, this centre starts neglecting liver and liver then cannot get rid of all the heat of the body, so the heat starts flowing upward. When it starts flowing upward then there’s a centre what you call as the Right Heart – which gets affected. People develop a disease called asthma with it. Also, they develop a disease what you call as a massive heart attack, on the left-hand side, when the heat reaches there. They also can develop a paralysis of the right side when it reaches the brain. The vulnerability is there. And then it’s triggered somehow by the left side action, maybe. Such people are futuristic. They go on planning for the future. Future doesn’t exist, only the present is the truth. But they go on planning about future, waste their energies and ultimately find that all their plans fail. One must know the Divine plan. If you know the Divine plan, then you don’t have to plan because you know the Divine is already planning for you everything. When you understand after Realisation that everything is done by Paramchaitanya, by this All-Pervading Power, by this Ruh, then you do not think that you are doing something. Moreover, as I told you, when the Kundalini rises through the Agnya Chakra, both these institutions of ego and superego are sucked in so there is no ego, so you become egoless, so your karmas or your duties or your so-called work you have done become akarmas. Then you don’t talk like this, that “I have done this, I have done that.” They say, “Oh it’s rising, it’s happening, it’s working out.” You start speaking in the third person. Even sometimes children you will find they talk like that. “This little boy won’t go because it is obstinate.” They’ll talk about themselves. If you notice if they’re realised souls, they’ll talk like that – in the third person. So, you become a third person. And nourishment to this centre comes through your Realisation as the Kundalini is connected to the mains. As a result, you get into balance. You are in thoughtless awareness. Somebody has asked Me about the thinking, yesterday. So, the thought arises from the past or from the future. As we have a capacity to react, because of the construction of our body as a prism. It’s a little scientific thing, but if you listen to some of My lectures, you’ll understand what I mean. Now what happens, when you see something, you react – anything you see, you react. You see this carpet, you’ll react. You’ll see this mic, you’ll react. You’ll think something about it. So, a thought comes either from the future or from the past and there’s a wave of thought coming and going, again thought coming and going. It comes and disappears. In between these thoughts there’s a little space which is the present. But if I say you pay attention to yourself – to your present – you cannot, unless and until you are a realised soul. So, when the Kundalini rises, these thoughts become – they lean out, means they become thin. When they become thin, the space in between increases and that’s how you become thoughtlessly aware. So, the thinking is minimised, then the liver doesn’t have to do all the time the job of converting your fat cells into grey cells. It comes into balance. Then the second one is the pancreas. That is neglected, too. In a person who is futuristic, who thinks too much, plans too much, that also becomes neglected. Now, the function of the pancreas is to absorb the sugar into bloodstream in a proper way. But because it is neglected, it has a very limited energy, it cannot function so you get diabetes. Because of too much thinking, you get diabetes. As I told you yesterday that in India, if you have to give tea to someone, be careful if he is from a village, because in the village you have to put so much sugar that the spoon should stand at right angles. Otherwise, it’s no tea for them. And they never get diabetes, never get diabetes. Diabetes is the headache of the people who sit on chairs, write, think, worry and are time bound. All such people get diabetes. They’re futuristic, egoistical, arrogant, hot-tempered. And such people get also heart attacks which are of a massive nature. The Left Heart is connected in a way, when there’s too much of exertion on the physical side also one can get heart attack. The another type of heart attack one gets is angina, that’s due to some other reason, that’s due to the lethargic heart. So now we have another problem which is very serious is that of the spleen. Spleen is the speedometer. It’s the one that gives us rhythm. If we are rhythmic in life, spleen keeps all right. But we are very hectic. And the function of the spleen is to create red blood corpuscles whenever there is an emergency. So, the way we are, we are always under a shock. Early in the morning you get up, what do you see? You read the newspaper, horrid news. I mean newspapers have to give horrid news, they never give good news, you know. They say, “We don’t want to say if some plane has landed safely.” But if there’s a disaster, so many have died, killed in action, murders, horrible things, naturally you get a shock, because you are a human being and in a subconscious you feel, in unconscious area you get the jerk. There’s a shock. Then you start the day in a hectic way, you are time-bound, you have to rush, you can’t take your breakfast, you just take something, grab, rush to the car or maybe on anything and then you find the jam in modern days. Everything keeps you on a tension. Then you reach the office, there’s the boss who’s getting angry with you because you’re late. As it is, I don’t know how much work we really produce. Only the mess we have created in this world I think much more in the modern times than much work. We cannot have people like Mozart nowadays, we can’t have anyone like Michelangelo, we cannot have any artists who can create beautiful things, we do not have beautiful buildings now – horrible, plastics. We cannot have beautiful, artistic clothes. Everything is becoming plastic and for which we are working so very hard to create plastic mountains. All this leads to tensions, so we become tense. And the tensions go on increasing as this ego increases, covers all your head and you go into tension. But the worst thing that happens to you that this spleen which is the one responsible for keeping the rhythm of your life, goes hectic and becomes crazy, doesn’t understand what sort of a personality you are. Sometimes you rush to that, sometimes you rush to that. There’s no rhythm in the life. So, it gets upset and it starts producing red blood corpuscles unrhythmically, it doesn’t know. So, the vulnerability is there. And as soon as there’s any triggering from the left side, you develop a horrible disease called blood cancer, and the only treatment you can have in the medical science is that you’ll be certified that you’ll die after eight days or after one month. That’s the only possibility. But, with Kundalini awakening your own power nourishes this centre and supplies energy, soothes down your hectic speedometer which is the spleen and the disease gets cured. There are many we know of who got their blood cancer cured and even after six, seven years they’re living and kicking all right. All this is available to you within yourself. This is all been promised. Many great people have written about it. It’s not that I’m saying something new. Only the new thing we are seeing here is that you can get en masse Realisation. Then is the kidney. Kidney also gets affected, firstly by the heat of the liver, secondly by the strenuous type of life you lead – futuristic, neglected – and then you get blood pressures. Blood pressures you get till you get failure of your kidneys or you might get a paralysis – anything is possible. So, we have blood pressure, high blood pressure. All this is only because of one centre, when it is out of gear. But if all the seven centres are out of gear, what should happen to us? And I think the modern life is such that it could be, all centres could be in danger. So, it is eminent, is important that we should get our Kundalini awakened and we should enjoy the best health. Health of course you enjoy very well, no doubt. But apart from health you enjoy many other things. First of all, you enjoy yourself. Today there’s no time to discuss all the centres but still I would say that I would like to give you all the benefits of Sahaja Yoga, which are possible, that you start enjoying others. You become righteous, as I told you, and you start enjoying your virtues. You are no more a critic of things. If you have to criticise, you criticise yourself, laugh at yourself and you don’t laugh at others. You start connecting yourself if you have the art of Kundalini awakening, because yoga means, of course, the union with the Divine. Also means 'yukti', meaning 'the deftness' – deftness to raise the Kundalini of yours and of others. If you know the decoding of these centres, of these centres on your fingertips – five, six and seven on the left side; and five, six and seven on the right side – if you just know the decoding, immediately you can do the diagnosis, what is wrong basically with you, and you can correct it. So physically, mentally, emotionally you can correct yourself; and spiritually you ascend. You ascend to a state of a saint, a sage. And the time has come for us to become sages. For that you don’t have to leave your homes, houses, run away from your families, nothing. That’s an escape. You don’t have to suffer. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God to enjoy that beauty and bounty of His love. Now this balance is important within us. There’s one more disease, a very common one in the West is the cancer of the breast in the case of women, which comes from the centre of Heart. The centre, there are three hearts according to Sahaja Yoga – one is the Central Heart, one is Left and one Right. Now the Central Heart is placed in the spinal cord, below the sternum bone. Sternum bone is the one that creates the antibodies till the age of twelve years. And then they get distributed all over. And these antibodies then fight all the emergencies and overcome all the troubles for us, but then they can become also very weak. So, the remote control is in the sternum bone. Now this centre is the centre of a Mother, of the Primordial Mother, we can say, of the Mother Who is the Mother of this Universe and Mother of this world Who looks after the security of children, security of the people. When a woman is challenged in her motherhood – supposing she is a wife of someone and husband is giving her insecurities by any means, supposing his is a wayward person or he’s always threatening her or dominating her or challenging her – her security gets disturbed and then this trouble starts. Maybe her children, maybe anyone can give this insecurity to a woman and that’s how she develops this cancer of the breast. That also can be corrected if the Kundalini could be made to pass through this centre and nourish it. The centre that is the most important is the seventh centre. The seventh centre is the centre which is placed around the limbic area in the head which has got one thousand petals and when enlightened it looks like beautiful flames, very wide flames just like petals of all the seven colours. That’s why it is said in the Bible, “I’ll appear before you like flames.” These are the flames, you see. This is the most important thing because around the limbic area are placed all the seats, governing seats of all the centres. So, if this centre is fully opened out, they all get drenched by the grace of the Divine Power and the person really, really enjoys Sahaja Yoga in the best possible way. He’s a happy person, he’s a joyous person, he emits joy, he emits peace, he’s compassionate, he’s tireless, he looks after people and such a person can achieve great heights of purity within himself. The another centre which is bestowed by Christ, as I told yesterday, is the Agnya Chakra, which is also very important because Christ has said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” That’s what He has said it. You should find out among Christian nations how many have got such pure eyes. Pure eyes means those who do not react, just witness, watch. There’s no greed, there’s no lust in those eyes. Such eyes are so powerful that even a glance of such an eye can give salvation. And this is what it is: we have to achieve the pure eyes. Such pure eyes are the only one which give you the joy of seeing. Of course, you’ll have the books, you can read them and find out about all the centres and know about it. But what we have to see is that the problems of the world are because of us. We are the problems, and we manifest the problems outside which reflect back upon us like the waves come back and dash against the shore and again are reflected back. We have to, ourselves, get into the state of sages. Then nobody has to tell you, “Do this” or “Do that.” You become your own master, you become your own guru, and you look after yourself. I have to apologise for one thing – that Sahaja Yoga started in Australia with a little jerk. They were Australians who started it, but they were not up to the mark, I must say they were not – created lots of problem for us, lots of problems. And we didn’t know what to do with them. It has happened nowhere in the world as it has happened here. I don’t know why it took lot of time for it to properly establish itself. Thank God now we have people who are sensible and I hope you will make it convenient after getting your Realisation to establish yourself properly, establish yourself and reach that state of Nirvikalpa, doubtless awareness. If you have any problem, you should write to Me directly. You don’t have to bear anything. Christ has already taken the cross upon Himself, so we don’t have to do anything. If there’s any problem that you find is not all right, you should write to Me instead of getting disappointed or getting frustrated. Is best is to write to Me. I know it’s far away – Australia is very far off. But this is the land which is the land of purity. This is the land in the universe is the first centre that you see there, and Uluru that you have – Uluru means, as I told you, is the Chaitanya, is the symbol of that purity. So, you stand for the innocence of the world. You are such a great nation here that stands for the innocence, and you could be very gullible. So, you have to be careful and understand your own identity as innocent people. And I am sure it will work out very well for all of you. And this country which has many problems will be solved by your own purity and the whole world can be helped with your own purity and beautiful lives. May God bless you! 01:33:40 Yesterday we had too many questions. Too many. And I told you that by asking questions – I can answer all of them, I think so, but I cannot guarantee that if I answer you that means I can give you awakening. It’s not guaranteed that way. So, if you want to have your Realisation and if there is any problem that stands between that Realisation and yourself, then it is better you should ask Me some question. It’s much better to save time. Question: Is raising the Kundalini dangerous? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Kundalini is your mother. She’s your individual mother and She looks after you. She knows everything about you. She’s taped everything that you have been doing, you have been desiring. She knows everything about you and She’s anxiously waiting to give you your second birth. As your mother took up upon herself all the labour pains, She takes all the troubles for Herself. We have had so many people. I have never seen anyone getting into trouble. This myth has been created by people who are money-oriented, I think, who wanted to frighten you so that you don’t go to reality and pay them well. Question: Could You define “Kundalini”? Shri Mataji: Yesterday I did. You came today only? Oh, I see. Kundalini is a power, as I told you, is a residual power, is the fourth power within us which resides in the triangular bone in three and a half coils. And It rises through six centres, subtle centres. This is the power of your pure desire. All other desires are impure because they’re never satiable in general. The only desire that is pure is to be one with the Divine. (Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi) Nanak Sahib has described as surti. Kabira especially has described it as surti. But imagine human beings how they are. Kabira was born in Bihar, most of his work was in Bihar. Later on, he went to Punjab. And in Bihar they call tobacco as surti. Yes, in Bihar they do. It’s very surprising to call tobacco as surti. So many things of Granth Sahib can only be understood when you get your Self Realisation otherwise you cannot. (Shri Mataji recites lines from Kabira’s Granth Sahib) What is this apa? Is your Self. He is the one who has done the tremendous work on this. Tremendous work on Kundalini, all of them – Namadeva. Even to think of them is great. Question: How is that you can control your ego and all that as well as the (inaudible). Shri Mataji: Yah. This is the first temptation you have. Yah, yah, yah. Agreed with you that it starts giving you ego if you are not fully developed in Sahaja Yoga. This is the first temptation, I know that. But people become very creative. It has happened to many Sahaja Yogis I have seen, they became very creative, they started producing lot of potteries and things, and started producing beautiful paintings. There was one Australian lady she produced very beautiful paintings and she got, won fame and all that, and ego had blasted her completely. And she came to see Me in Perth, I found such heat coming out of her, like a cancer patient, absolutely like a cancer patient. And then if you tell her, “You have got ego,” they don’t like it. Because they’re so egoistical. That’s why you have to take the Kundalini always up there. You shouldn’t be satisfied. You see, that’s the slipping point sometimes, so be careful. Be careful. Now look at these artists, they are so simple. Our attention should be, “What have I attained in Sahaja Yoga, is my spiritual ascent?” This is just a temptation, one of the temptations that people have. That’s not so important. Now for these artists, the most important thing is just to play for Me, that’s all. Yogi (repeating the question asked by a man in the audience): You say we shouldn’t plan too much. Could You explain that because obviously we need to plan a little. Shri Mataji (laughs): You see, if you are in Sahaja Yoga and in meditative mood. If you’re in a meditative mood and if you’re in Sahaja Yoga, then you just don’t plan, because you know the planning is already done for you. I know that if you take the name of “airport”, only “airport” you take the name and most of the men will start jumping. They’ll go at least one hour earlier than reporting time. Aeroplane is not going to fly out, you see, but they fear that it will fly out. Now, if you are a Sahaja Yogi and if you are going for catching a plane, say example, you should know what time you have to leave and you leave at that time, you’ll reach there in time. You don’t have to see, watch all the time, you’ll just leave at that time, exactly at that time you’ll leave. But also, if you are a little late, the plane will be for you. But you don’t want to be unkind and the Paramachaitanya looks after you. You’ll just remember you have to go now, you leave that time. It is so simple. But to believe that Somebody Else is planning us is beyond our ego. Yogi: He says if he has to leave the planning of his life to someone else, he’s denying his own individuality – he’s denying that fact that he creates his own life if he leaves the planning. Shri Mataji: That’s a good one, in a way is good. Why do you want to have this kind of a feeling that you are creating the world? Nobody’s creating. You can’t even create even a grain of clay. No, you can’t. You can’t create anything. What’s he saying? Yogi: He says he’s creating his own experience now just by raising his right hand or his left hand. Shri Mataji: You see you have to be little deeper to understand the significance. Also, to have faith in yourself that supposing you become connected with the Divine Power. Now, I’ll tell you what. Supposing you see a television. All right? The television is connected to the mains there. All right. Now you want to see Shakespeare, for example, that’s your plan. But there’s another plan there going on, and when you open, it’s not Shakespeare, it’s something else. So, what do you do? Do you loose your identity? (Laughter and applause) Now it’s all right for him. All right, you follow My advice and you’ll see what I am saying. All right? Now just give it a chance. Give it a chance. First of all, get your Realisation and give it a chance. All right? Hah. Question: What is the best way to go towards Self Realisation? Shri Mataji: That’s what we are going to do. All right? That’s a very good question. You just wait. After all these questions are over, we’ll have that. Yogi: He says he understands why our own actions cause imbalances in ourselves but how about young children? How do these diseases get caused in young children? Shri Mataji: Now for example, a mother is a very busy lady. When the child is there, she’s doing all kinds of work and thinking too much, running too much. Or the father is doing that, that has an effect on the child. You see, human beings are delicately made. I mean in ancient times, if a woman was to have a baby, she used to take it very easy and she used to read something spiritual, she used to be thinking about her child and feeling that motherhood within herself. But the mother doesn’t think of the child. She just thinks she has to today go for hairdo or she has to do something – face lifting or something like that. I don’t know much about these things, but that’s what I’ve seen. It’s too much of superficiality and this has killed the beauty even of romance, you’ll be surprised. Absolutely, it’s absurd. These hair dressers have ruined the beauty of women in the way because somebody likes one particular type of hair dress, he falls in love with the hair dress. Now she changes her hair dress, he wants to have a divorce with her. So superficial attachments to superficial things! There’s no deeper attachments to innate, something so natural. Artificial things cannot lead us anywhere, they can never give us joy. Yogi: Is wanting Realisation futuristic? Shri Mataji: Good. Good. Now what is she wanting here, this lady? That’s what I’m going to do. I’m very happy. That part you just forget, the rest of it. Is there any other question? Now let’s see. Yogi: One in the back. Woman: Will we see a time when most of the world will have their Realisation? Shri Mataji: Hope so. Hope so. I would say that’s My dream. I wish, I wish that happens. I’m actually desireless. But your desires work. If you desire. Is the other way round. It’s not, “Thy will be done,” but it’s “Thy will be done.” If you desire, it will happen, it will happen. Yogi: Is it wrong to want or desire a family and have unity in a family and to enjoy the normal pleasures of life? Shri Mataji: I mean, we are marrying so many people. It’s not at all. It’s the best thing to have a family and children. But not to get involved so much into your family that you forget your ascent. How many times you are married in previous lives and how many children you have had in previous lives? Now this is the time for your ascent and your family should be complimentary. If it is not complimentary it’s not going to help you. It is your choice, you’re free will. If you want to get dissolved into your own children and your family only and not to have any ascent, nobody can force you. Go ahead with it. But this time is important. This is an important time. Of course, you have to have family; of course, you have to get married. You have to lead a very normal life. Nothing abnormal. But if somebody is too much attached to the family, forgets his own ascent, then I think he is missing the point. That is the most important thing in life. Yes, please? Yogi: Isn’t the greatest danger in the future over population? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Actually, there are no imbalances that’s why there is a population growth in some countries and no population in some countries. Like on the BBC gentleman came and asked Me in London, he said, “Why do you have such a population growth?” First, he asked – I mean they are, you know after all, they can ask very funny questions. They have every right to do what they like. So, first question he asked, “Why, why is it in India you have so much poverty?” I said, “If you have a guest for three hundred years in your country, what will happen to you? You’ll become a broke.” Then he said that, “Such a population growth in Your country, what about that?” I said, “If you can allow Me, very humbly I would state you are responsible for that also.” He said, “How are we responsible?” I said, “In England, I used to hear that two children are killed every week in England by their parents.” He said, “No, only in London.” I said, “Really? That’s the case? So, what child, which child would like to be born in this country?” That’s why you see in Germany it’s minus, Sweden is minus, Norway is minus. All these countries are having minus growth and people are competing in committing suicide. Switzerland – there’s a competition on. All these countries are supposed to be affluent countries where they have money, they can look after their children better, they are competing in having suicides and in having minus growth. But in India, even if you have ten children or twelve children, love is all the time there available to them. And what a child needs is love, not all these pomp and show that you should have a nice cot or a nice this but a loving mother. That’s why they come to India. Now if you create such mothers, they’ll come to you also. Question: How long should a man or a woman sleep? Shri Mataji: You see, there’s no hard and fast rule for that, actually. I think as you grow old you don’t sleep so much; I personally think that way. I sleep very little, Myself. In the night about three hours; in the daytime about one hour or so. But depends on – it depends. So, for sleeping, there’s no hard and fast rule, but whatever time you are born, that’s the time you want to sleep. So, some people like to sleep in the morning, all right let them sleep. And some people want to sleep in the night, let them sleep. Makes no difference. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga, all these conditionings disappear. And then you start behaving in a different manner. There’s a transformation. And then maximum time you want to give for your meditation, for knowing about Sahaja Yoga, and you get more time. Actually, we should have much more time than our ancestors. You know, we don’t have to go to the jungles to get our wood for our fire, we don’t have to do all the rest of the things they used to do. Poor things, they had to go for hunting. Now we have everything in the house already made, I mean, instant. Isn’t it? And we have the watch on all of the time watching the watch. But we have no time. We are the worst. They had more time than we have. So where are we spending the time? While coming here I just asked him, “What do they make?” Because I was seeing all Chinese things, Japanese things, and then I saw lots of Greek, and most of them were Italian things in the market, shops. I said, “What do the Australians make?” He said, “They make lager.” Where do we spend our time? In the ballroom dancing? Or in the lager? Or in some way destroying ourselves with drugs or something like that? We have no time. We have time for drugs. All right. Then parties, some formal things which have no meaning at all. It conveys nothing. I have been now in London in a position where I had to shake hands with six to seven hundred people. And only I remember the horrible things that happen to the hand, otherwise I don’t remember even the faces of the people. So, there should be a better method of developing a rapport between us, understanding each other in much more natural way. And then we have time – this is the time to enjoy. But nobody enjoys because we are so time bound, we are so time bound. Only time to enjoy we don’t have. And that’s how whatever you people say about sleeping or waking up and all that is that your regulation doesn’t come from the Divine. If it is from the Divine, you just enjoy, you just enjoy your life, you enjoy yourself. Never feel ill or sick. And now I am sixty-seven, every day I’m giving lectures, morning, evening. And the smokes, the way people smoke, women – especially in Australia, I don’t know what has gone wrong with them – I try to go with the women so that I’ll be saved from smoking, they smoke more than the men even here. So, I’ve developed a throat trouble, I hope it will be all right. But this is what happens. Where do we spend our time? There then you are beyond time, into the timeless dimension enjoying yourself. That’s the beauty we have to achieve; that state we have to reach. All right? What is it? Yogi: He says, “My revered father has been for the past three or four years experiencing astral sounds, but physically his hearing is impaired or cut off for all practical purposes. Twenty-four hours a day he is able to tune into the chanting of sacred Hindu hymns, devotional music rendered by an enchanting voice that accompanied by a violin, etcetera. He has done no special tapas or meditation but he is very naïve and a simple soul. Is it because of the awakening of the Kundalini? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Not at all. All these things should not happen to you. You don’t hear anything; you don’t see anything. You become, you just become. This is a subject which has to be dealt with clearly about the dead souls and things, it’s quite a big subject. But if you come to Sahaja Yoga, you’ll understand what happens, how you hear these things and how astral things happen, how your cot deaths take place. All these are all negative things and are achieved by people who deal in the science of the dead. Which is very important that you should get out of all these ideas and become your Self. Only way to know if a person is Realised is [or] not, the way he can handle the Kundalini, the way he can feel the vibrations, and the way he leads his own life. When you go to any guru, first of all see the disciples, how they are, how they behave, what powers they have got. Then you accept. That’s the sign of a satguru. Nanaka has said clearly. Guru Nanak was such an enlightened soul and he said that, “The one who meets you, meet God, is the satguru.” Everybody is not a guru. 02:00:15 So, should we now have this Realisation? (Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi) That’s for only Indians. Indians abroad. Now should we now finish that? Can we take out our shoes because we have to take the help of the Mother Earth. As I’ve told you, it cannot be forced. I respect your freedom, respect your freedom. It’s your free will. If you want to have your Realisation only you can have, otherwise you cannot. It cannot be forced on you. So those who do not want should leave the hall to be civil to other people. Otherwise you are welcome. There are two conditions in Sahaja Yoga, at least when you are getting your Realisation. First is to forget your past, to forgive yourself. You should be pleasantly placed towards yourself, pleasantly placed towards yourself. And second one is that you have to forgive everyone. As I told you yesterday, whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. Actually, if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. So just neglect it, completely. Don’t worry about it. And in general, you should say, “I forgive everyone.” Just say in general, “I forgive everyone.” That’s all. Not to count how many people you have to forgive, not to know about everyone, what they have said to you, but just forgive in general. That’s all. So, the first one is to forget your past. That means not to feel guilty at all. You’re not to feel guilty. After all, you are a human being and human beings can only commit mistakes. You’re not gods. So, what does it matter? There’s nothing to bother you on that point. Should not. So please forgive yourself and forgive others. That’s very important. These are the two simple conditions. But mentally, you should accept them. Now, we have to put both our feet little away from each other because you know there are two powers within us – left and right. And we use our left hand symbolically to suggest that we want our Self Realisation and this is the power of desire, not of Pure Desire, but desire. And we use our right hand which is the power of action to nourish our centres on the left-hand side. We’ll be nourishing our left-hand centres only. So now you please put your left hand, comfortably the way you want to put it – it will hardly take ten minutes – and use your right hand, as I show you now and then we have to close our eyes. First, put it on your heart. This is the centre where resides the Spirit – so is a very important centre. Then you take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side which is the centre of your mastery created by great masters. Now take down your right hand again to the lower portion of your abdomen. It is the centre – I hope you can see it, just come forward a little bit if you don’t mind – this is the centre of Pure Knowledge, Pure Knowledge that acts on your central nervous system. Then you raise again your hand up on to the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard. Then, on to your heart. Then into the corner of your neck and your head. Press it as back as possible and turn your head to your right. This centre you catch when you feel guilty. Now you take your hand and put it on your forehead. Put down your head on it, press it hard. This is the centre to forgive others. Take your right hand on the back side of your head and please raise your head towards the sky. This is the centre to ask for forgiveness from Divine without feeling guilty. Then stretch your palm. Put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Bend your head. Now, stretch your fingers outward, outward as much as you can, put a pressure on your scalp, and move your scalp clockwise. Seven times very slowly. Now, that’s all we have to do. Now you can close your eyes, put your left hand towards Me. Be careful, you keep your feet apart. Those who are sitting on the ground are all right. And now close your eyes. You can take out your spectacles if you want to, because don’t have to open the eyes till I tell you. Now, please put your left hand towards Me, and right hand on your heart. Now close your eyes. Please don’t open them till I tell you. Here you have to ask Me a question, a very important question. You can call me “Mother” or you can call Me “Shri Mataji”, whatever you like, very important question. Ask a question three times in your heart, not loudly, please: “Mother, am I the Spirit?” “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask this question three times. If you are the Spirit you are your own guide, you are your own master. So now please bring down your hand, right hand, in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard, and here, ask another question three times, “Mother, am I my own master?” Ask this question three times: “Mother, am I my own master?” Now, as I told you, I respect your freedom, and you have a free will. I cannot force Pure Knowledge on you – it cannot be. You have to ask for it. So now take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and ask Me, “Mother, please give me Pure Knowledge.” Six times, because this centre has got six petals. “Mother, please give me Pure Knowledge. As soon as you ask this question, the Kundalini starts moving upward. So now we have to nourish the upper centres to make Its movement, Her movement, faster. So please raise your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard and here you say with full confidence, with full confidence you say, “Mother, I am my own master.” Please say it ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” These things remove your conditionings from wrong teachings. Now you raise your hand, the most important question that is you are not your body, you are not your intelligence, you’re not your emotions, you are not your conditionings, your ego, your thoughts, but you are pure Spirit. So, raise your right hand on to your heart and say with full confidence twelve times, full confidence please, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Just say that, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Please say it twelve times. Now, raise your right hand to another very important area within us where, by feeling guilty all the time, we have harmed a very important centre. I have to tell you that the Divine Power is the Ocean of Knowledge and Love. It is the Ocean of Bliss and Joy. But above all, above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness, and whatever mistakes or wrongs you have done are dissolved by the power of forgiveness. So, raise your right hand into the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times, “Mother, I’m not guilty at all.” Again, you say, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” Sixteen times. I’ve already told you whether you forgive others or not, you’re not doing anything, it is a myth. But if you don’t forgive others, then you fall into the wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing. So now, please raise your right hand onto your forehead across, press it hard on both the sides and put down your head as far as possible, resting on your hand, and press it on both the sides. This is the centre where you have to forgive, forgive others, forgive others. Just say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Without thinking about them or thinking about what they have done to you, just say in general, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Now, how many times is not the point – from your heart. You must say it properly. Yesterday so many didn’t say and I had to work very hard on them. So please say it, please say it from your heart once for all, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” Now take back your hand on the back side of your head, on the optic globe and now raise it higher and let it rest on your hand. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction, not feeling guilty, not counting your mistakes, “Oh Divine Power, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me.” Say it from your heart. Now, stretch your palm, keeping your left hand towards Me. This is the most important centre. Both the feet apart from each other. Keep yourself straight and put your right hand, the centre of your palm, on top of the fontanel bone area, the soft bone which you had in your childhood, and press it. Now bend your head as much as you can, press back your fingers, press back your thumb so there’s a pressure on your scalp, nicely pressurised. Now move it, move it slowly seven times. Here again I cannot, I’m sorry, I cannot disrespect your freedom and free will. You have to ask for your Self Realisation, it cannot be forced on you. So, seven times, please say seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self Realisation.” Please say it seven times. (Shri Mataji blows into the microphone seven times) Now please take down your both the hands and open your eyes slowly, very slowly. Now watch Me without thinking. You can do it. Now, put up your right hand like this and bend your head and see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Bend your head. It is above your head, not on. So little away from the head, try to feel if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. You can take your hand a little further. Some people have it quite away from the head. So, see for yourself if there’s a cool breeze coming out. Now, put the left hand towards Me and put down your head. Now see for yourself, again with the right hand, if there’s a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people will get heat coming out, doesn’t matter, it will later on be followed by cool breeze also. You see yourself if there is the cool breeze coming. Bend your head properly, that’s important. Now, again put your right hand towards Me and bend your head. Now don’t doubt. The breeze is coming from inside and not from the air conditioner, so see for yourself. Again, this is the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost, this Kundalini is the Holy Ghost. Now see. Now raise your both the hands towards the sky, push back your head and here you ask a question, “Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost?” “Mother, is this the All Pervading Power of Divine Love?” “Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?” Ask any one of these questions three times. Push back your head fully and ask this question. Separate your hands; don’t put them together. Separate your hands. May God bless you! Bring down your hands, please. You can watch Me without thinking. Now those who have felt the Cool Breeze or even a hot breeze out of their heads or on their fingertips, please raise both your hands. The whole of Sydney is drowned into the Ocean of Joy. May God bless you! So, the Kundalini has sprouted, Kundalini has come out, you are connected with That, but you have to establish yourself. Otherwise it would be like the marshy land where Christ has described some seeds fell down, they sprouted and were destroyed. Must respect our Self Realisation, we must respect ourselves. Now you have become saints and you have to understand that it’s a glorious thing that is happening to you, and you now become the instrument of God. You can come to the follow-on program, they have nice courses for you, something. You don’t have to pay anything, but you have to give some time, that’s all, and within a month you’ll find you’ll become masters: master of yourself and master of this art of yoga. They’ll answer all your questions. They’ll see to it that it works out. Now we have very good, humble people who’ll look after you, and they have all the knowledge, and you can also get My tapes and things where I tell you about – three to four thousand tapes are there only in English language, and in Hindi, Marathi and that way. But unless and until you are established, I would not like you to read books about it, because then again, you’ll get lost. So, first thing is to establish yourself fully so you don’t get lost into your ego, as you were saying, or into any such trips. Better get established first then nothing makes you feel that way. May God bless you all! I’ll be coming after one year and I hope all of you will become great trees giving the beautiful vibrations to this great country of innocence and changing everyone. The transformation within you will definitely help to change so many things in this country and you’ll be amazed how the planning of the Divine works for you every moment and how you’re helped and looked after, guided and protected. It’s very surprising. May God bless you! Yesterday I met most of you people. Those whom I have not met and who have got Realisation I would like to meet. It’s already it is ten-thirty. We had a music program. But whom I have met is all right. Those who haven’t got Realisation can come on one side. They can see. Those whom I have not met and who have got Realisation, can come and meet Me.

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Public Program Day 1 I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that the truth cannot be manipulated, cannot be created, cannot be conceptualized by your mind or by your imagination. It is what it is and has been and will be. So the truth is very simple. Very simple thing it is. But you have to have very scientific outlook to keep your minds open because this the knowledge of the roots. What you see outside and what you know about it is the knowledge about the tree. And should accept whatever I am saying as a hypothesis and if it is proved then as honest people you have to accept it. The truth is very simple that all this universe, this cosmos is looked after, is nourished, is guided by all pervading divine power which is in Sanskrit language you can call it as paramachaitanya and in quran its called as rooh. In every great scriptures it is described as a formless energy that looks after guides everything that is living works out every balance of this universe , of this earth. Only at the level of human awareness we have freedom to choose because we have to rise to higher awareness of complete freedom. That is why we commit mistakes. Doesn’t matter. After all we are human being we are not Gods. So if we commit mistakes it makes it makes no difference whatsoever for your ascent to that higher level. And the higher level is the second truth that you are not this body not this mind, not your ego nor your conditionings but you are pure spirit. That is what you have to be. This can only work out through the living process of evolutionary ascent . you have become a human being and now you have to become a higher human being. As a human being you a develop a new kind of awareness. On your central nervous system whatever we have achieved in our evolution we feel it on our nervous system. Like if you take dog or a horse through a place which is very filthy, dirty smelling it can pass through. But human being cannot. human beings have the sense of the colour of beauty of so many things they have achieved through their evolutionary process. But still the ascent is necessary because we do not know the absolute. Whatever we know partially based on our experiences and our mistakes. But sometimes we are so self opinionated that we don’t want to say that we have done mistakes or not do we want to see that we want to seek higher. But there are a category of people so many of them which William Blakes has beautifully described as men seeking God. Its very simple. The people who are seeking the truth and these are a special category who become sages. And these sages he says will have power to make others the sages. ?? Louis has described, all over the world people have described about these great things going t happen in this modern times. Specially in India there was a pioneer or this is the one who originated of astrology Bhrigumuni has written a book called nadi-granth. In which he has described sahaja yoga, very clearly. And he has said that such a time will come when people will get their realization sahaja. Saha mean with , ja means born; born with you is the right united “yoga” with the divine. In modern yoga that we have got is a v bit of a v bit. It has nothing to do with reality. To know the reality, to feel the all pervading power is a right of every human being. That’s all is called yoga. And the another word another meaning of the yoga is yukti meaning the depthness. The depthness to know to how to work out this power and also to know the principles of divine powers. But that is not mentally is not mentally, it is on your nervous system. In the Buddhist philosophies is described as bodha. Bodh doesn’t mean you feel it as a kind of a think??. But, you feel it on your central nervous system. Its not a some sort of a sensationalisaton but it is actulisation. That is bodha. Even the word vedas come from vida. Vida also means on the central nervous system. The reality is to be felt on our central nervous system. Now we have here with us this mechanism built in. in the bible its known as the tree of life. Kirshna has also described it as a tree of life which is upside down. The roots of which are in the head. This is the tree of life described in most of the scriptures in different names. Like in Tao, it refers to yangtze river as tao. That tao is nothing but this kundalini which is the power which enlightens this tree of life. This kundalini is a power resides in the triangular bone known as sacrum. Sacrum in latin language means sacred. That means the Greeks knew in ancient times that this is a sacred bone which has something sacred in it. We all have this residual power within us known as kundalini. Ofcourse in the modern times people have created all kinds of myths about the kundalini saying it is very dangerous. One should not do this and all. Its all modern. But in the ancient books even upto the time of Kabira they have all described it very clearly, no body has said it is dangerous. So may be some of the fake ones wanted to create a fear because they didn’t want people to know the reality. The must have created this kind of a myth saying that it is dangerous to awaken the kundalini. But this is the mother, your mother, your individual mother who is going to give you your self-realization. As your mother has taken all the troubles, labour problem upon herself; she takes all the problems you have and you get a very smooth ?? as self-realised souls. This has to happen. Because it is the vital, it is so vital that it has to be easy. For eg. Our breathing if you had to go to the library and read books and do all kinds of things, we would not have existed. In the same way it is such a vital thing that this kundalini has to rise. Ofcourse, in the beginning of life this tree of life had very few flowers. But gradually now I feel it’s a blossom time. There are so many seekers who are seeking the truth and it is working wonders. In a one day lecture, in a program like this its very hard to explain everything about kundalini. As it is I must have spoken thousands of times and then must be atleast 4000 tapes in English language alone. I have been working for 20 years to establish sahaja yoga all over the world. And now there are 40 nations who have come to sahaja yoga. And I must pay full respect to Russians whom I found to be the best people for spirituality. The best people for spirituality. Whatever they might have been under, whatever might have happened to them, one thing they didn’t waste the time much. They were all very well educated, very solid sensible wise people. And the way they took to sahaja yoga I was myself surprised. We just arrived there and there were thousands. And how did they managed to get their realization so fast and establish it is really, even the Indians should feel ashamed of themselves. Because this is the heritage of India. This is the heritage of India. But we had 300 years the Britishers ruling us perhaps so we have all become very westernized, perhaps. But I just don’t understand that how these people who have never talked of God, religion; thank God for that also sometimes. Because religion is also now a days man made; has conditioned people too much. And they had no such fake gurus there roaming about. And they just jumped into it. Such a remarkable thing to see a country so far away, kept away from all the theologies jumping into spirituality so fast.Even ofcourse in India we have lots of people who are sahaja yogis all over I must admit because after all this is their heritage. And also in India we should say there are 3 doctors who have done MD in sahaja yoga, they have tried to prove that with sahaja yoga means the kundalini awakening; you can get rid of psychosomatic diseases. You get better health. Also you can get epilepsy and all such mental diseases cured. They have got MD for that. There are 7 doctors in London who are trying to collect all the data about it and they also want to do their MDs. Also this in Cambridge university this gentleman who is already a professor of philosophy is doing research on sahaja yoga. So, it is coming to the level of the intellectuals and the scientists. But, scientists have to go little deeper if they have to have to see any structure in a microscope. In the same way if we have to know about these things, we have to have our self-realisation. Without our self realization we cannot understand anyone. That’s what Kabira said, “what should I do the whole world is blind, what should I tell them the whole world is deaf”; meaning is that the level of understanding has not reached that subtle side. And that subtle side has to be ?? and that is very simple now a days I have seen that people get realization without any difficulties. In Sydney, in Perth, in Brisbane, of all the places in cairns I so surprised. Another surprise came from cairns which was something just like Russia. Something out of the blue it exploded. Such beautiful people live there; So human, so natural. I couldn’t understand how certain places people are simple, not complicated, not conditioned and not arrogant. They have such a simplicity of understanding and they just take to it so easily. Now, in Australia also we have lots of sahaja yogis who are working it out. But in the earlier, early times we didn’t have very good leaders who were I should say very well motivated towards sahaja yoga. And so it was going up and down. But now I hope it will be again re-established here. But, one thing we should be very honest with ourselves that if we have to have our benevolence, we have to honest ourselves. If you are enamored by somebody who claims too much, talks too much and gives you big lectures and just says alright, take this mantra or do this and do that, all kinds of nonsensical things; you first must go and see the person who has been to him. What is he doing, what has he got. Has he got any spiritual power or not. Or just because he is going to that place you must also go. Another problem in the west I find I must say is the funny that they think that if something is free then it is nonsensical. This is very funny surprisingly. I went to Boston and they asked me how many rolls royces you have. So people told she don’t take any money how can she have rolls Royce. We are not interested. Its no business. I mean, God is not a business. And divinity is not a business. This we must understand that we can’t pay for it. How much do we pay to the mother earth when she produces all the beautiful things for us. In the same way how much are we going to pay for our spirituality. Live alone anything. How much do you pay to Christ. On the contrary you sold him out. So this is simple thing of course Indians understand better. But others also should understand that you can’t pay for him. Anybody who asks money for this, you must know is something very serious with it. If we I want you to take some money from you, you wouldn’t because you are self respecting. The ones who takes money from you has no self respect. You have retained him some sort of you are retainers something like that. And one must understand this is a very important very point for all western people to understand that you can’t pay for it. But sometimes I think it satisfies your ego that you can purchase your guru. You can’t. if you can purchase your guru he can be your servant, not your guru. This I want to make very clear to you because this is not understood in the west because they are used to the systems where people sell out or give money for everything. Now we have here, this systems which is very interesting and is absolutely nicely put into our being. Below the kundalini, that is the triangular bone; is the centre called as mooladhara chakra means the centre of mooladhara. Now mooladhara means the support of the roots. And the roots are the kundalini. The kundalini is in the 3 ½ coil that’s why it is called as kundalini because coil means kundal. Now these, other centres are 6 above it. so one thing is sure that the last centre does not come into play when the kundalini rises. So one should understand that all the functions of the first centre which caters to our excretions inclusive of sex has nothing to with our ascent. So when kundalini starts rising these functions just stop. All these functions stop. First centre ?? into the yellow centre which we call as Swadishthana. In a place like Canberra I think I better talk about this centre. Because last year when I came Swadishthana was here so caught up that my foot became paralysed with it. Now the Swadishthana centre you can see that as got a ?? in it, yellow one. When we use it we work out the right side channel which is the channel of the sun, which is for our future. And also it is for our mental and our physical work. So when we think too much and we plan too much for the future, which is of course the thing going on here, so this centre goes out of ??. Like I would say there is another side to it, is another one, which is we call as the channel for our emotion, for our desire and the channel that looks after all our past. This is the centre what we call as the, this is the channel as we call it as the channel of ida or is the channel of moon. So the right side looks after the right sympathetic nervous system and the left side looks after the left sympathetic nervous system. And the central path is for our ascent which also caters to our parasympathetic nervous system. That is we can understand it this way that if we run fast our heart beat increases. So it means the emergency. For all emergencies the sympathetic nervous system goes into action and when it goes into action then only the para sympathetic, central path reduces, brings it to normal. That we can’t do. We can only play about with the left or the right sympathetic system. That means we can only go to the left side or to the right side. That means we can only go to our past or to our future. But we cannot be in the present. we cannot be in the present. And absolute can only be known in the present because that’s reality. The past is finished, the future doesn’t exists. Reality is when you are the present. But how to be in the present. That’s the problem. For a thought rises and falls, another thought rises and falls. We are jumping on the cusp of the thoughts. But we cannot achieve that state where we are in the present and that’s why we go into tensions, we go into problems. I will show you here like this is the centre; and on the left and the right side there’s the energy moving. Supposing you go too much on the right or too much on the left, there’s a movement going on and there’s a constriction, in the constriction, in the centre, in the ?? centre. But apart from this constriction the energy is exhausted. If the energy is too much exhausted and say its moving on the right and there is something happens on the left side, something emotional, something some accident or some shock; immediately it looses this balance and as a result you develop a disease which we call as psychosomatic that includes all your ?? diseases where the degeneration of muscles takes place. Also it includes your cancer, blood cancer all sort of these psychosomatic diseases which are incurable. So when the kundalini rises she passes through this and this and sort of as if a thread is pass through and it all gets absolutely in connection with the whole. So there cannot be any malignancy because the connection is established. And also also she nourishes that centre. As that nourishment takes place, the person gets alright and he feels perfect. This is how sahaja yoga works. So it is your own energy within you, it is your own property within you; when it rises it gives you that power that you get cured. But when it is connected with the mains with all pervading power. Its all the time flowing through you. So even if there is any imbalance, it brings you to balance. Suddenly you also feel all this in, all pervading power on your finger tips. In the Quran there is one beautiful sura called “sajda yoga”. In that they have described all about it that your hands will speak and the time of resurrection and they will give witness against you. So now we will today discuss one centre which is very important for all of you I think because you are all working in the government and I know what government services. Because my husband has been all his life the government service and later on he was with the UN. So I know what it means and what happens to them . now this centre Swadishthana, as I told you, caters for physical and mental activities, functions. Now the physical activity may be less, but the most important function of this centre is to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain. When we think too much then our grey cells are used and they are to be replaced. So this replacement takes place through the function of this centre which transforms ordinary fat cells for the use of the brain. But it has some other functions also to be done, which are subsidiary but are very important. So it looks after your liver, it looks after your pancreas, it looks after your spleen, it looks after your kidney and part of your intestines. Now, if we make this centre work so hard it neglects other important functions. So first it neglects is the liver. And the function of the liver is to absorb the poison of the body as heat into itself and release it into the blood stream. But once this centre neglects and doesn’t give energy to liver, the heat in the body remains as it is and it starts rising on the right side. when it starts rising on the right side it gives you diseases like asthama because you have another centre called right heart. It can also give you a massive heart attack. People don’t know its all due to liver trouble. But some how if this liver is clicked by movement of the left side then one can get all kinds of allergies and all kinds of problems which are skin troubles. So when we sit in the sun, it is not the sun that spoils our skins but it is the liver which gets heated up and can’t bear anymore of that and that’s how you get your skin diseases like skin cancer. Then the second very important it has to look after is your pancreas. Function of the pancreas is to dissolve the sugar for use of the body and give to the other organs; supply the energy for it because it has the carbohydrates in it. But when this centre is so much looking after one side of transforming ordinary fat cells into grey cells, again they neglect, creates a problem and you develop a horrible disease called diabetes. Now if you go the villages of India you will be surprised when they make tea, the cup contain so much of sugar that a spoon has to stand at right angle. Thats the measure. Otherwise its not tea, its not good. And they take such a lot of sugar they never get diabetes. They never get diabetes because they don't think. They just live nicely, earn for the day, sleep off, we will see tomorrow. But those people who are sedentary, who are working hard, thinking too much, futuristic planning; make their centre work only for that purpose, really go against themselves and get this horrible disease called diabetes. Which is ofcourse curable if the kundalini is there to help you. Then the third is even a worst one which is coming from your spleen. Now spleen is your speedometer or we say it is the one that keeps the rhythm of life. But in this modern times you have lost the rhythm of life and all the time we are under shock, something is happening. So much so without sensationalisation we do not feel any, any existence of our own. Like early in the morning you will get up, first you will read the news paper. News paper means what; its a shock. Somebody died, somebody killed, some mishaps n now its a hail storm, this and that something is there. With shocks you get worried. May be some of your relations are killed; what has happened. So the first thing the spleen goes into the jeopardy because the spleen has to supply red blood carpuscles at the emergency of like this. And the second shock is may be jam on the way. We are time bound. If the time is there we must reach in time, and if you don't reach in time as if you are going to be hanged or there is a already and order coming from death coming to our ?? ; that shaking conditions we live. All the time under tense conditions that we must keep to time, we must keep to these norms, must do this; and the modern life has made our life so artificial so artificial, that, supposing you are eating your food. Now you must keep your spoon and fork in a way. I mean God has not told you that. But its something sort of a norm that we must have a fork and spoon like that. Now, if you have not kept it then everybody laugh at you. So by chance if you have not kept it you are in trouble. Small small things absolutely good for nothing, have covered our being as good as behaviour as something very posh as something very… I don't what they will say. But french will say something, english will say something and everybody has a different style. And if you do not cope with it then you are absolutely a rustic person, you have no manners, nothing. You can pass dirty jokes, you can say all dirty things, doesn't matter that doesn't matter… thats all right. You can drink as much as u like , you can fall on the table doesn't matter after all he was drunk so excused. See. But if you all do nonsensical things you are a gone case. All these things way upon us. Now we have to dress up like this, we have to be like that, if you don't dress up like that its out fashion . We do not know in subtle ways that we are playing into the hands of these entrepreneurs, just befooling us all the time. And thats how this tension, what to dress what not to dress, you have to be formal or informal, what to do what to eat, how to call. Even to have rapport with someone is not, u see, you cannot talk to someone at the same level as human being. On the contrary we think twice what should I say. We will rehearse it at home and then we face the person and we go completely in mess because we think no I can't say that. We start on something else. There is no relaxed personality and we always say I am not relaxed, I am tensed. But why. Animals are not tensed. They live in the same city. Nobody seems to be tensed. Trees are not tensed. Why are human beings tensed. Because they themselves have made these kind of funny cages for themselves and they think that this is important to me like that. So all this leads to lots of shocks for our speedometer which is a poor instrument for such a person which can't understand and becomes crazy. And when it is crazy it becomes vulnerable and then you get a very serious disease called as blood cancer. You will be surprised that sahaja yoga has cured blood cancer of many people. Not only that but those who are certified thats all doctors do in blood cancer, to die within 10 days or 1 month are still there after 5-6 years and doing very well. The reason is this spleen becomes good shock absorber. Why that I will tell you later on. Now also you get your blood pressure. because of this your kidneys are affected, your intestine goes out, so you will ?? to constipation the thing. So all these troubles come out of one that we think too much. Now thinking cannot be stopped. Thats troubles. Thinking is coming all the time invading us. You can't stop thinking. What should we do to stop thinking. For that if the kundalini rises you reach a state, state of mind where you are thoughtlessly aware. There is not thought. You are aware absolutely aware but no thought. If you want to think you will think otherwise you wouldn't think just you wouldn't think. And you are in that state. That state in sanskrit is called as nirvichar samadhi which instantly takes place and the second stage you see we call is nirvikalpa samadhi is doubtless awareness. Where you become absolutely detached. Like you are in the water you are afraid of water. But suppose you get into the boat you can watch the water alrigh, quiet relaxed. But supposing you know how to swim you can jump in the water and save people who are getting drowned. In the same way when that state comes in where you can jump and save other people and help other people then that state is called as a state of doubtless awareness. With this a person becomes extremely extremely powerful, dynamic. At the same time such a person becomes extremely compassionate extremely compassionate. He bcomes a person who sees everything witness everything as a drama. He gets out of it and sees everything as a drama. He doesn’t get involved into problems but he can see his problems clearly by which he can solve them better. And such a person then becomes a very good human being because he becomes righteous. The are you see above that is the green area is the area where our valencies are. Which are 10 valencies. Carbon has 4 we have 10 valencies and they get enlightened. They get enlightened and that is what is innate within us. Like carbon has 4 religions, in the same way within us aer the 10 religions which are called in sanskrit as dharma, dharma eti sa dharma the one we sustain within us is the dharma. Not that we practice say something and practice something is not dharma is not dharma not religion. The one we sustain within us and this sustenance takes place when the kundalini rises she enlightens that p?? and such a person becomes righteous absolutely righteous. He is not bothered as to what others are doing. He lives with his own righteousness, enjoys it, he enjoys his virtues and he sees the good point in others. Somehow or the other by his temperament and nature and his magnetic personality he attracts others and tries to transform them only by his existence. Now christ was a very subtle deity I should say ?? subtle incarnation because he has said though shall not have adulterous eyes. though shall not have adulterous eyes. Now I would like to know in what christian nation I should find such a people. Even the eyes because when you become realised then you will be surprised your innocence comes back. Eyes become absolutely still. And such person when he develops further, his even a glance of such a person can do wonders because there is no lust, no greed. You just watch. And watching something is the biggest boon. Suppose I see something beautiful and then I react as a human being I am to react. So it is in my mind “oh God it will get dirty and it is not insured or something sort of a nonsensical. Supposing it belongs to somebody then I start thinking how much she must have paid and where should I get it. All this thoughts come to us. But supposing I am just watching it then what happens like a lake which has no ripples in it; the whole creation reflects into it. In the same way the joy of creation starts pouring on you and you feel relax and happy. You never feel your age. You never feel you are travelling. You are with yourself wherever you are. So all these problems we have in modern times, speediness vanishes. Not only that but your family life will improves. Your society improves. Your country improves. Its a benevolence of the whole humanity you can achieve. This transformation is very essential. I am very happy that the Russian in all western world have taken such a strong step forward. I know all others will also now little bit think about it that why, why not we? Why not we seek our benevolence. Why not we have this. When it is our own power why shouldn't we get it. Supposing I say there is a diamond available here, free. Then not only from America but even from Greenland people will come here. And I say there is a diamond within you, spirit, why not have it and for nothing at all you just get it free. So why not have. This is what should be the attitude of all the people. All over the world, but I think there are certain conditionings which do not help people to get to that point. So we must know we have not achieved it so far so why not achieve it further. If we haven't got it why not we do it. Its a times, special time. And you should not missed out. Not only, not only the people in Russia but even the government has helped us a lot. I am quiet amazed at the wisdom of these people. I do not know what I should give the credit. They are remarkable people I must say. And a day may come it might become the most powerful, the most powerful country in the world. I am really amazed way they have developed within themselves the depth. There was one fellow who gave me a book which he has written about the mathematical calculation of Shri Chakra. In India there are very few must be knowing what Shri Chakra is. Its very surprising. And this is what I am telling you here in Australia which you must take note no doubt. Of course now your government has done one thing is to send some people to tape, video tape me and find out, go to Russia to find out how Russians have got it , why we haven't got it. So in this competition may be might start working here everywhere else. But this wisdom, wisdom is needed. What are we doing about our life. What are we doing about it we should find out. Where are we spending our time. Why are we going to miss it. Once you get into some terrible disease then you will come to me. Whats the use. You will be happy to know we have cured one gentleman here of aids no doubt. He ?? mr. ??. but he had no will power. He went back to the same nonsensical habit next day and then now he is dead. But the other day in Perth two people a husband and wife got cured of aids. So I have hope about that also. We should have will power to do little bit of practice of sahaja yoga and keep to it, develop it. I am sure they will live much longer than that is expected. So may God bless you. In this short time whatever is possible I have tried to put before you. I would ofcourse like you to ask me some questions for few minutes and then we should have this experience of self realisation. That is very important than any of our questions. Because even, I am good at answering questions. And even if I answer all your questions has no meaning because it doesn't guarantee your ascent. What guarantees your ascent is the happening, is the becoming. Unless and until that happens everything else is useless. So its not a mental feel, its more a natural growth within you of that new awareness which we call as collective consciousness. collective consciousness. That becomes part and parcel of you that you can on your fingertips you can feel the five, six and seven centres on your left and five, six and seven centres on the right. Your own and that of others. So there is self realisation and also you have the power of collective consciousness. Now even if you know within one months time you will find out. With in one months time , that what things are decoding. If you know what things are decoding, you can diagnose a person, you can help the person, you can raise the kundalini. You don't need me. Its like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. Like that we can have so many people who can get realisation. So may God bless you and may God give you self realisation. I like to have questions from you if possible.Q: ?? Residual power meaning you see it a little complicated thing but I will say that the whole being is created, alright, by three powers within us. One is the power on the left hand side which is the power of desire, another side is the power of action. And the third is the power of ascent which is in the centre. Now all this has happened. But still one energy is not being used and that is the energy of kundalini which is power of pure desire. Because according to economics wants are not sachetable in general. Today we want to have a chair, tomorrow we want to have a table, then we want to have a house, then we want to have something else and like that goes on.we are never satisfied. So the pure desire the power of pure desire is the kundalini. What is the pure desire. Whether you are aware of it or not, subconsciously or unconsciously whatever you call it; the pure desire of kundalini is “to be one with the divine”. This is the pure desire. Until you have fulfilled that you will never be satisfied with yourself. Because thats how you know the absolute truth. Thats how you become absolutely above all these weaknesses that you have. You become the master of yourself and also then you jump in the ocean of joy and peace. No questions. Good ??. as I have told you that there are 4000 tapes and they are available to you. You can always listen to them. Only thing that I have not told you, one thing which is important to know is this yellow balloon that we have in our head is the balloon of ego and another one is of the blue is the balloon of conditionings in us. The conditionings we have had. So the kundalini rises she passes through this crossing point and she sucks in these two things. Thats how our karma, our conditionings are sucked in. but in childhood when we grow, upto the age of twelve years these two grow like that and cover each other and the fontanelle bone area which is the soft bone in your childhood is completely closed. So when the kundalini just sucks in it opens out. And when it opens out then the kundalini passes through your fontanelle bone area and you can feel cool breeze coming out of your head. We say its the cool breeze of the holy ghost. What is the holy ghost also, you have got almighty and you have got a son; what about the mother ? She is the holy ghost, she is the primordial mother who we call , in our Indian language adishakti. In all ancient scriptures like Greece – Athena. Athena , atha in Sanskrit means primordial. Even here those people who came they call this river by paramata, is the same. So this kundalini is the reflection of the holy ghost, while spirit is the reflection of the God almighty. They have to meet and thats how they get realisation. The fontanelle bone area is opened out and you can feel the actualisation of baptism. Its not artificial. Its actualisation you can feel it, the cool breeze. Ofcourse in the Pentecostal you must have read that you can feel the cool breeze of the holy ghost. Thats what you feel on top of your head. We got photograph where sahaja yogis are sitting and in the photograph you see the light on their heads. And in some of the paintings you must have seen having light in their head. In olden times when there was christianity at the level of gnostics where they, “gna” also the word comes from the same as gyana which Shri Krishna has described as gyan marg (path of knowledge) . Gyan doesn't mean through your brain, but means, again the same bodha which I told you “gna”. Same gna is used by Thomas when he described christianity in his treaties on his way to India when he wrote all this an put them in Egypt and which are found out and now you can get that book as “gnosticis??.”; important to read because he has ?? all the ideas of suffering and things . Is written everything about sahaja yoga. He said its an experience of the self you must have. Like christ has said you have to be born again, so we certify ourselves. How can that be. In sanskrit language a born again person is called dwijaha mean born again. And a bird is also called dwija means its an egg and then it becomes a bird. In the same way first we are human beings and then we become saints. This is the second birth we should have. But we have to become !. It's not just certificate. So every body things ?? of themeselves. The other somebody asked me question “Mother, why there are quarrels among religions?” Because they are not following what their originators have told. They are just following some sort of man made religion. That's why there is problem. Because all religions are just the same. Born on tree of life at different times and these flowers were plucked by people saying this is mine, this is mine and that's why they are fighting. These are dead flowers. These are not living flowers. They come from the same source of spirituality. Christ has said those who are not against me are with me. Who are those ? In four years what could he do christ. Its an impossible situation. How people were cruel to him. I was struggling with 7 hippies; very well educated hippies in England for 4 years. So you can imagine. I must give full credit to Christ atleast he could say so many things about reality.Should we have our realisaton.(52.57)There is some gentelman, another gentleman.??I think you are little confused about it. You haven't yet seen it what happens. Alright . After the experience you talk to me about it then you will be alright. A little confused. You see, to say that, you see I have told you one light can enlighten another light. Alright. In a general way I must say that today's sahaja yoga is something very tremendous. Because it works amass. Just works out, amass, in thousands of people. So must be you are also special I must say or also these are special times and also that the divine is angcious to give you realisation. All these three things put together. But of course, I will tell you how to raise your kundalini as well as your kundalini will rise. It will take hardly ten minutes for the whole thing. But one thing is sure, I cannot force on you. I respect your freedom. Because you have to get your ultimate freedom. So I cannot force on you. You have to ask for it in your own free will. That's very important. It cannot be forced. Q: ?? That's what we are going to do. That's a very good question. That's the best question. Alright. So if you are ready then I have to tell you that there are two conditions. The first one is that you have to forget the past in this hall. Forget that you have done any mistakes or so called sins. And, you have to say in your heart that you are not at all guilty of anything. If you were guilty of something you have been in jail. So you are not guilty. Afterall you are human beings as I told you and you are capable of mistakes. But the divine has great power of forgiveness and any mistake can be forgiven. So first thing, first condition is that you have to respect yourself and forgive yourself and not to believe at all that you are guilty. Its very important for self confidence. Everyone can get realisation. But firstly one should not feel guilty. 57.03 Its a myth. Alright. Second myth is that we cannot forgive some other people. Some people say its very difficult to forgive others. But whether we forgive or don't forgive, we don't do anything. What do we do? But if we don't forgive then it starts working in our minds, working in our temperament and we play into wrong hands unnecessarily. While the person who wants to punish us is perfectly alright, in good health. So this is a myth and we are playing into wrong hands. So we have to say I forgive everyone. Now you don't have to think whom you have to forgive, what wrong he has done, how far you have to go, nothing. You just in general you have to say “I forgive everyone”. Is more important in place like Canberra. Because I know in a place like this, this centre [pointing at Agnya] works very hard; thinks thinks thinks too much, this centre. And is important to stop thinking, you have to say “Alright I forgive. I forgive. Just go on forgiving. And you get to it”. Say I, I am quiet used people who are bureaucrats. I know there situation very well. I know them better than any body else I should say. So I have to tell you really very frankly. Forgive everyone and also you know that you are not guilty. Because they have always told you have done this mistake that mistake, and also out of jealousy or whatever it is people trouble them. Then they cannot forgive. So better forgive everyone. Forget everything and be here absolutely free from all those nonsensical worries. Will be a good idea. Only by doing these things you will be completely free I tell you to receive your realisation. We have to take help from the mother earth. For that we have to take out our shoes, will help us a lot. Just take out your shoes. Some people who want to come further can come further also. Its very far away. Its alright. Makes no difference wherever you are. And if I said something that makes you feel guilty, forget my lecture also. Is important. So that means in short that we have to be very pleasantly placed towards ourselves. “Prasannachitta, in Sanskrit its said “Prasannachitta”. Must be pleasantly placed towards ourselves. You have to put both your feet little away from each other because they represents two energies. So put them on two sides. Children will get realisation without doing anything. They are very good. They are not complicated. Alright. He will show you what is to be done. You can see that and after that we will take out our spectacles and close our eyes and then the real awakening will take place. Please put your left hand towards me. Like this. This represent, putting the left hand represents nothing but the desire to get self realisation. And the right hand you have to use for action and we have to place it at different points on the left hand side on our centres. So first we put it on our heart. Thats very important because in the heart resides spirit. Again I will say in the place like Canberra is important. Because they work so hard, think so hard that the heart becomes weak. Its better to press your hand on your heart. You should put under your coat will be a better idea. And. Now take down your hand into the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of your mastery. This is made by many great teachers, masters, sadgurus. And we have to awaken it so that we become masters of that. Then you take down your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Lower portion of your abdomen. And press it hard. Now this is a special centre for pure knowledge which has to manifest on your central nervous system. Then we take back our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then take it on our heart. Now this important is that put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder. From the front. Not from the back side. Now this centre is very important because this is the centre which catches or get spoilt when we feel guilty. Turn your head to your right. Its very important. And this centre when is spoilt you get diseases like spondylitis, angina, all kinds of funny diseases, with the lethargic lung and lethargic heart. Now you take your right hand put it across your forehead. Like this. And put down your head as much as you can. And press it hard. On both the sides. This is the centre for forgiving others. Now take back your hand say way back side of your head and push back your head, as much as possible. This is the centre for asking the divine to forgive you. Now here you don't have to feel guilty. You don't have to count the mistakes you have committed. For your own satisfaction. You to ask the divine to forgive you. Then you have to stretch your hand, right hand like this. The palm is stretched properly and the centre o f the palm is put on the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone on top of your head. And now its to be pressed. Put down your head. This is important now that you push back your fingers and thumb fully. Please. Push them back properly so that there is a good pressure on your scalp. And now move your scalp slowly seven times. Move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Clockwise slowly with the pressure. Thats all we have to do. Thats all. Nothing else needed to be done. Thats all. Take out your glasses if you want. If there is anything tight near your neck, little bit loosen it. If there is anything tight on your waist, you can loosen it a little bit. And you have to be relaxed. You don't have to bend forward or backwards too much. Sit in a proper straight manner. Thats all. Now remember to put your feet on both the sides. And put your left hand towards me please and the right hand now is to go on the heart. Now please close your eyes and don't open them till I tell you. That's all. Now here when you put your hand on your heart where resides the spirit you have to ask me a very important question. You may call me “Shri Mataji or Mother” which ever suits you and this question is like as if you are asking a computer. So now ask the question in your heart not openly, not loudly, but in your hear; “Mother Am I the Spirit?”. Ask this question three times. “Mother Am I the Spirit?”. Ask this question three times. Now take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. One must know that if you are the spirit you become your own guide. In the light of the spirit you know the absolute truth. So you become your own master. So now ask a second question “Mother Am I my own Master?”. Ask this question three times.“Mother Am I the Spirit?”. As I told you I respect your freedom and I cannot cross over it. And I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now put right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and ask me “Mother please give me pure knowledge”, “Mother please give me pure knowledge”; please ask this six times. Six times because this centre has got six petals. “please Mother give me pure knowledge”. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the kundalini starts ascending. So we have to now nourish our upper centres with with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on your left hand side. And here press it hard. And say with full confidence ten times, because this centre has got ten petals. Ten times “Mother I am my own master”. Say it with full confidence. “Mother I am my own master”. Now we have to know that the divine is the ocean of knowledge and love. Pure love. It is the ocean of peace and bliss. But above all it is a very powerful open ocean of forgiveness. So we cannot do any mistake which cannot be dissolved by this powerful ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder. Push it back as much as you can towards the spinal cord. And now put your head towards right. Now here with full confidence you have to say, sixteen times “Mother I am not guilty at all” . Please say sixteen times. “Mother I am not guilty at all” . Please say sixteen times. Again I will tell you it is a myth when you say “I cannot forgive people”. Whether you forgive or you don’t forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you really torture yourself for nothing at all. So please remember that it is all a myth and you are not going to carry on with it anymore. This is very important. Because this centre is very constricted one and you have to help your kundalini to rise through it by really, heartily forgiving everyone. So now please raise your forehead across and please put your hand in such a manner that you can press it on both the sides. And now put down your head fully and here please say “Mother I forgive everyone”. Now its not necessary how many times. You to have really say from your heart. If you don't say it from your heart, this centre wouldn't open otherwise. So please I request you again and again to say “Mother I really forgive everyone”. Now don't think whom you have to forgive, what mistakes they have committed. Just say it out of your understanding that your realisation is higher than anything else. Now take back your hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Now this is the centre for you to ask for forgiveness for your own satisfaction. Without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes you just have to say “Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me”. For your satisfaction. Don't count your mistakes. Now stretch your hand and put the centre of your palm on the soft bone which is called as the fontanelle bone area. Press it hard and move it seven times. Here again I cannot cross your freedom. So please say seven times while moving your hand “Mother please give me my self realisation”.Now please open your eyes and put your hands like this. Now put the right hand towards me , like this and bend your head and see for your self if there is a cool breeze coming out of the fontanelle bone area or the soft bone that you had in your child hood. In sanskrit it is called as brahmarandra. Brahma means the all pervading power, and randra means the whole in ?? it. Now see for yourself. The hand should be little away from the head, above it not on it. Some people get it very far also. Now the left hand to be used now. Put the left hand towards me, higher like this. Bend your head. And see for your self if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now again the right hand. Now see for yourself. If there is a cool breeze coming out of your head once for all. Will be higher. Now. Raise your both the hands and push back your head and ask a question “Mother is this the cool breeze of the holy ghost. Mother is this the power of all pervading divine or Mother is this the paramachaitanya”? Ask any one of these question, any one of these three times in your heart. Please ask. Push back your head, Push back your head and the question three times. Now raise your hands fully. Fully. Push back your head. Push back your head. Don't miss the point. Please don't. Push back your head.Push back your head. Now please bring down your hands. Just put the hands towards me and see if you can be without thoughts. If there's no thought. Now those whole felt cool breeze coming out of the fontanelle bone area, sometimes can be hot, some heat comes out; doesn't matter. But feel the breeze. Or on your fingertips. On their hands please raise both your hands. Those who have felt it please raise your hands both like this, so I will know, like this. ya. There are wonderful people here. See, such a lot of you have got realisation. God bless you. But now this is the beginning. You have to come to our centres where ofcourse you don't have to pay anything. But little bit time you have to give and master it. You all can become masters. And there wouldn't be any more problem of ill health or any problem. And I would like to meet you all if you want to meet me just now. Because I am going away tomorrow. This is the last day of my working Australia. And next year I will be again back here. But you are all welcome to India. We have a nice tour program and also a seminar at the end of it. So if it suits you, you are welcome to come along. You all can come and see me if you like. I am sorry I am here only for one day. But next time I will be here for quiet some time. And I hope I will be able to see you grown up like a trees now. Like a see now you have sprouted now and this seed has to become a big tree. May God bless you.God bless you. (1.19.) in hindi: Aayiye. Aap kahan se. India se aye hai ? Meaning: come. Where are you from. Are your from India? (ji – yes). in hindi: yahan sambhaliye. Sab aapki cheez hai in sabko dene ki. Aapke pass itne cheeze bhari padi hai, sari duniya aapke charno me lautegi. Isko to karna chahiye. Ab Delhi me bahut kam ho raha hai. Delhi me bahut log ho gaye par. Bahut se log ho gaye. Aur kam bahut zoro me ho raha hai. Asha hai sab jagah ho jaye. Aapka shubh nam kya hai. Chandramohan Bhandari. Badi khushi huyee aap se milke.Meaning: (to an Indian) Take care here. This (spiritual knowledge) is all yours that you have to give them here. You have so many things(spiritual knowledge), whole world will look up to you. Have to do this. Now in Delhi a lot is working out. Many got realisation. Many got. And now in full swing its working out. Hope it works out every where. What is your good name. Chandramohan Bhandari. Glad to meet you.

Public Program Day 1 I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that the truth cannot be manipulated, cannot be created, cannot be conceptualized by your mind or by your imagination. It is what it is and has been and will be. So the truth is very simple. Very simple thing it is. But you have to have very scientific outlook to keep your minds open because this the knowledge of the roots. What you see outside and what you know about it is the knowledge about the tree. And should accept whatever I am saying as a hypothesis and if it is proved then as honest people you have to accept it. The truth is very simple that all this universe, this cosmos is looked after, is nourished, is guided by all pervading divine power which is in Sanskrit language you can call it as paramachaitanya and in quran its called as rooh. In every great scriptures it is described as a formless energy that looks after guides everything that is living works out every balance of this universe , of this earth. Only at the level of human awareness we have freedom to choose because we have to rise to higher awareness of complete freedom. That is why we commit mistakes. Doesn’t matter. After all we are human being we are not Gods. So if we commit mistakes it makes it makes no difference whatsoever for your ascent to that higher level. And the higher level is the second truth that you are not this body not this mind, not your ego nor your conditionings but you are pure spirit. That is what you have to be. This can only work out through the living process of evolutionary ascent . you have become a human being and now you have to become a higher human being. As a human being you a develop a new kind of awareness. On your central nervous system whatever we have achieved in our evolution we feel it on our nervous system. Like if you take dog or a horse through a place which is very filthy, dirty smelling it can pass through. But human being cannot. human beings have the sense of the colour of beauty of so many things they have achieved through their evolutionary process. But still the ascent is necessary because we do not know the absolute. Whatever we know partially based on our experiences and our mistakes. But sometimes we are so self opinionated that we don’t want to say that we have done mistakes or not do we want to see that we want to seek higher. But there are a category of people so many of them which William Blakes has beautifully described as men seeking God. Its very simple. The people who are seeking the truth and these are a special category who become sages. And these sages he says will have power to make others the sages. ?? Louis has described, all over the world people have described about these great things going t happen in this modern times. Specially in India there was a pioneer or this is the one who originated of astrology Bhrigumuni has written a book called nadi-granth. In which he has described sahaja yoga, very clearly. And he has said that such a time will come when people will get their realization sahaja. Saha mean with , ja means born; born with you is the right united “yoga” with the divine. In modern yoga that we have got is a v bit of a v bit. It has nothing to do with reality. To know the reality, to feel the all pervading power is a right of every human being. That’s all is called yoga. And the another word another meaning of the yoga is yukti meaning the depthness. The depthness to know to how to work out this power and also to know the principles of divine powers. But that is not mentally is not mentally, it is on your nervous system. In the Buddhist philosophies is described as bodha. Bodh doesn’t mean you feel it as a kind of a think??. But, you feel it on your central nervous system. Its not a some sort of a sensationalisaton but it is actulisation. That is bodha. Even the word vedas come from vida. Vida also means on the central nervous system. The reality is to be felt on our central nervous system. Now we have here with us this mechanism built in. in the bible its known as the tree of life. Kirshna has also described it as a tree of life which is upside down. The roots of which are in the head. This is the tree of life described in most of the scriptures in different names. Like in Tao, it refers to yangtze river as tao. That tao is nothing but this kundalini which is the power which enlightens this tree of life. This kundalini is a power resides in the triangular bone known as sacrum. Sacrum in latin language means sacred. That means the Greeks knew in ancient times that this is a sacred bone which has something sacred in it. We all have this residual power within us known as kundalini. Ofcourse in the modern times people have created all kinds of myths about the kundalini saying it is very dangerous. One should not do this and all. Its all modern. But in the ancient books even upto the time of Kabira they have all described it very clearly, no body has said it is dangerous. So may be some of the fake ones wanted to create a fear because they didn’t want people to know the reality. The must have created this kind of a myth saying that it is dangerous to awaken the kundalini. But this is the mother, your mother, your individual mother who is going to give you your self-realization. As your mother has taken all the troubles, labour problem upon herself; she takes all the problems you have and you get a very smooth ?? as self-realised souls. This has to happen. Because it is the vital, it is so vital that it has to be easy. For eg. Our breathing if you had to go to the library and read books and do all kinds of things, we would not have existed. In the same way it is such a vital thing that this kundalini has to rise. Ofcourse, in the beginning of life this tree of life had very few flowers. But gradually now I feel it’s a blossom time. There are so many seekers who are seeking the truth and it is working wonders. In a one day lecture, in a program like this its very hard to explain everything about kundalini. As it is I must have spoken thousands of times and then must be atleast 4000 tapes in English language alone. I have been working for 20 years to establish sahaja yoga all over the world. And now there are 40 nations who have come to sahaja yoga. And I must pay full respect to Russians whom I found to be the best people for spirituality. The best people for spirituality. Whatever they might have been under, whatever might have happened to them, one thing they didn’t waste the time much. They were all very well educated, very solid sensible wise people. And the way they took to sahaja yoga I was myself surprised. We just arrived there and there were thousands. And how did they managed to get their realization so fast and establish it is really, even the Indians should feel ashamed of themselves. Because this is the heritage of India. This is the heritage of India. But we had 300 years the Britishers ruling us perhaps so we have all become very westernized, perhaps. But I just don’t understand that how these people who have never talked of God, religion; thank God for that also sometimes. Because religion is also now a days man made; has conditioned people too much. And they had no such fake gurus there roaming about. And they just jumped into it. Such a remarkable thing to see a country so far away, kept away from all the theologies jumping into spirituality so fast.Even ofcourse in India we have lots of people who are sahaja yogis all over I must admit because after all this is their heritage. And also in India we should say there are 3 doctors who have done MD in sahaja yoga, they have tried to prove that with sahaja yoga means the kundalini awakening; you can get rid of psychosomatic diseases. You get better health. Also you can get epilepsy and all such mental diseases cured. They have got MD for that. There are 7 doctors in London who are trying to collect all the data about it and they also want to do their MDs. Also this in Cambridge university this gentleman who is already a professor of philosophy is doing research on sahaja yoga. So, it is coming to the level of the intellectuals and the scientists. But, scientists have to go little deeper if they have to have to see any structure in a microscope. In the same way if we have to know about these things, we have to have our self-realisation. Without our self realization we cannot understand anyone. That’s what Kabira said, “what should I do the whole world is blind, what should I tell them the whole world is deaf”; meaning is that the level of understanding has not reached that subtle side. And that subtle side has to be ?? and that is very simple now a days I have seen that people get realization without any difficulties. In Sydney, in Perth, in Brisbane, of all the places in cairns I so surprised. Another surprise came from cairns which was something just like Russia. Something out of the blue it exploded. Such beautiful people live there; So human, so natural. I couldn’t understand how certain places people are simple, not complicated, not conditioned and not arrogant. They have such a simplicity of understanding and they just take to it so easily. Now, in Australia also we have lots of sahaja yogis who are working it out. But in the earlier, early times we didn’t have very good leaders who were I should say very well motivated towards sahaja yoga. And so it was going up and down. But now I hope it will be again re-established here. But, one thing we should be very honest with ourselves that if we have to have our benevolence, we have to honest ourselves. If you are enamored by somebody who claims too much, talks too much and gives you big lectures and just says alright, take this mantra or do this and do that, all kinds of nonsensical things; you first must go and see the person who has been to him. What is he doing, what has he got. Has he got any spiritual power or not. Or just because he is going to that place you must also go. Another problem in the west I find I must say is the funny that they think that if something is free then it is nonsensical. This is very funny surprisingly. I went to Boston and they asked me how many rolls royces you have. So people told she don’t take any money how can she have rolls Royce. We are not interested. Its no business. I mean, God is not a business. And divinity is not a business. This we must understand that we can’t pay for it. How much do we pay to the mother earth when she produces all the beautiful things for us. In the same way how much are we going to pay for our spirituality. Live alone anything. How much do you pay to Christ. On the contrary you sold him out. So this is simple thing of course Indians understand better. But others also should understand that you can’t pay for him. Anybody who asks money for this, you must know is something very serious with it. If we I want you to take some money from you, you wouldn’t because you are self respecting. The ones who takes money from you has no self respect. You have retained him some sort of you are retainers something like that. And one must understand this is a very important very point for all western people to understand that you can’t pay for it. But sometimes I think it satisfies your ego that you can purchase your guru. You can’t. if you can purchase your guru he can be your servant, not your guru. This I want to make very clear to you because this is not understood in the west because they are used to the systems where people sell out or give money for everything. Now we have here, this systems which is very interesting and is absolutely nicely put into our being. Below the kundalini, that is the triangular bone; is the centre called as mooladhara chakra means the centre of mooladhara. Now mooladhara means the support of the roots. And the roots are the kundalini. The kundalini is in the 3 ½ coil that’s why it is called as kundalini because coil means kundal. Now these, other centres are 6 above it. so one thing is sure that the last centre does not come into play when the kundalini rises. So one should understand that all the functions of the first centre which caters to our excretions inclusive of sex has nothing to with our ascent. So when kundalini starts rising these functions just stop. All these functions stop. First centre ?? into the yellow centre which we call as Swadishthana. In a place like Canberra I think I better talk about this centre. Because last year when I came Swadishthana was here so caught up that my foot became paralysed with it. Now the Swadishthana centre you can see that as got a ?? in it, yellow one. When we use it we work out the right side channel which is the channel of the sun, which is for our future. And also it is for our mental and our physical work. So when we think too much and we plan too much for the future, which is of course the thing going on here, so this centre goes out of ??. Like I would say there is another side to it, is another one, which is we call as the channel for our emotion, for our desire and the channel that looks after all our past. This is the centre what we call as the, this is the channel as we call it as the channel of ida or is the channel of moon. So the right side looks after the right sympathetic nervous system and the left side looks after the left sympathetic nervous system. And the central path is for our ascent which also caters to our parasympathetic nervous system. That is we can understand it this way that if we run fast our heart beat increases. So it means the emergency. For all emergencies the sympathetic nervous system goes into action and when it goes into action then only the para sympathetic, central path reduces, brings it to normal. That we can’t do. We can only play about with the left or the right sympathetic system. That means we can only go to the left side or to the right side. That means we can only go to our past or to our future. But we cannot be in the present. we cannot be in the present. And absolute can only be known in the present because that’s reality. The past is finished, the future doesn’t exists. Reality is when you are the present. But how to be in the present. That’s the problem. For a thought rises and falls, another thought rises and falls. We are jumping on the cusp of the thoughts. But we cannot achieve that state where we are in the present and that’s why we go into tensions, we go into problems. I will show you here like this is the centre; and on the left and the right side there’s the energy moving. Supposing you go too much on the right or too much on the left, there’s a movement going on and there’s a constriction, in the constriction, in the centre, in the ?? centre. But apart from this constriction the energy is exhausted. If the energy is too much exhausted and say its moving on the right and there is something happens on the left side, something emotional, something some accident or some shock; immediately it looses this balance and as a result you develop a disease which we call as psychosomatic that includes all your ?? diseases where the degeneration of muscles takes place. Also it includes your cancer, blood cancer all sort of these psychosomatic diseases which are incurable. So when the kundalini rises she passes through this and this and sort of as if a thread is pass through and it all gets absolutely in connection with the whole. So there cannot be any malignancy because the connection is established. And also also she nourishes that centre. As that nourishment takes place, the person gets alright and he feels perfect. This is how sahaja yoga works. So it is your own energy within you, it is your own property within you; when it rises it gives you that power that you get cured. But when it is connected with the mains with all pervading power. Its all the time flowing through you. So even if there is any imbalance, it brings you to balance. Suddenly you also feel all this in, all pervading power on your finger tips. In the Quran there is one beautiful sura called “sajda yoga”. In that they have described all about it that your hands will speak and the time of resurrection and they will give witness against you. So now we will today discuss one centre which is very important for all of you I think because you are all working in the government and I know what government services. Because my husband has been all his life the government service and later on he was with the UN. So I know what it means and what happens to them . now this centre Swadishthana, as I told you, caters for physical and mental activities, functions. Now the physical activity may be less, but the most important function of this centre is to convert the fat cells for the use of the brain. When we think too much then our grey cells are used and they are to be replaced. So this replacement takes place through the function of this centre which transforms ordinary fat cells for the use of the brain. But it has some other functions also to be done, which are subsidiary but are very important. So it looks after your liver, it looks after your pancreas, it looks after your spleen, it looks after your kidney and part of your intestines. Now, if we make this centre work so hard it neglects other important functions. So first it neglects is the liver. And the function of the liver is to absorb the poison of the body as heat into itself and release it into the blood stream. But once this centre neglects and doesn’t give energy to liver, the heat in the body remains as it is and it starts rising on the right side. when it starts rising on the right side it gives you diseases like asthama because you have another centre called right heart. It can also give you a massive heart attack. People don’t know its all due to liver trouble. But some how if this liver is clicked by movement of the left side then one can get all kinds of allergies and all kinds of problems which are skin troubles. So when we sit in the sun, it is not the sun that spoils our skins but it is the liver which gets heated up and can’t bear anymore of that and that’s how you get your skin diseases like skin cancer. Then the second very important it has to look after is your pancreas. Function of the pancreas is to dissolve the sugar for use of the body and give to the other organs; supply the energy for it because it has the carbohydrates in it. But when this centre is so much looking after one side of transforming ordinary fat cells into grey cells, again they neglect, creates a problem and you develop a horrible disease called diabetes. Now if you go the villages of India you will be surprised when they make tea, the cup contain so much of sugar that a spoon has to stand at right angle. Thats the measure. Otherwise its not tea, its not good. And they take such a lot of sugar they never get diabetes. They never get diabetes because they don't think. They just live nicely, earn for the day, sleep off, we will see tomorrow. But those people who are sedentary, who are working hard, thinking too much, futuristic planning; make their centre work only for that purpose, really go against themselves and get this horrible disease called diabetes. Which is ofcourse curable if the kundalini is there to help you. Then the third is even a worst one which is coming from your spleen. Now spleen is your speedometer or we say it is the one that keeps the rhythm of life. But in this modern times you have lost the rhythm of life and all the time we are under shock, something is happening. So much so without sensationalisation we do not feel any, any existence of our own. Like early in the morning you will get up, first you will read the news paper. News paper means what; its a shock. Somebody died, somebody killed, some mishaps n now its a hail storm, this and that something is there. With shocks you get worried. May be some of your relations are killed; what has happened. So the first thing the spleen goes into the jeopardy because the spleen has to supply red blood carpuscles at the emergency of like this. And the second shock is may be jam on the way. We are time bound. If the time is there we must reach in time, and if you don't reach in time as if you are going to be hanged or there is a already and order coming from death coming to our ?? ; that shaking conditions we live. All the time under tense conditions that we must keep to time, we must keep to these norms, must do this; and the modern life has made our life so artificial so artificial, that, supposing you are eating your food. Now you must keep your spoon and fork in a way. I mean God has not told you that. But its something sort of a norm that we must have a fork and spoon like that. Now, if you have not kept it then everybody laugh at you. So by chance if you have not kept it you are in trouble. Small small things absolutely good for nothing, have covered our being as good as behaviour as something very posh as something very… I don't what they will say. But french will say something, english will say something and everybody has a different style. And if you do not cope with it then you are absolutely a rustic person, you have no manners, nothing. You can pass dirty jokes, you can say all dirty things, doesn't matter that doesn't matter… thats all right. You can drink as much as u like , you can fall on the table doesn't matter after all he was drunk so excused. See. But if you all do nonsensical things you are a gone case. All these things way upon us. Now we have to dress up like this, we have to be like that, if you don't dress up like that its out fashion . We do not know in subtle ways that we are playing into the hands of these entrepreneurs, just befooling us all the time. And thats how this tension, what to dress what not to dress, you have to be formal or informal, what to do what to eat, how to call. Even to have rapport with someone is not, u see, you cannot talk to someone at the same level as human being. On the contrary we think twice what should I say. We will rehearse it at home and then we face the person and we go completely in mess because we think no I can't say that. We start on something else. There is no relaxed personality and we always say I am not relaxed, I am tensed. But why. Animals are not tensed. They live in the same city. Nobody seems to be tensed. Trees are not tensed. Why are human beings tensed. Because they themselves have made these kind of funny cages for themselves and they think that this is important to me like that. So all this leads to lots of shocks for our speedometer which is a poor instrument for such a person which can't understand and becomes crazy. And when it is crazy it becomes vulnerable and then you get a very serious disease called as blood cancer. You will be surprised that sahaja yoga has cured blood cancer of many people. Not only that but those who are certified thats all doctors do in blood cancer, to die within 10 days or 1 month are still there after 5-6 years and doing very well. The reason is this spleen becomes good shock absorber. Why that I will tell you later on. Now also you get your blood pressure. because of this your kidneys are affected, your intestine goes out, so you will ?? to constipation the thing. So all these troubles come out of one that we think too much. Now thinking cannot be stopped. Thats troubles. Thinking is coming all the time invading us. You can't stop thinking. What should we do to stop thinking. For that if the kundalini rises you reach a state, state of mind where you are thoughtlessly aware. There is not thought. You are aware absolutely aware but no thought. If you want to think you will think otherwise you wouldn't think just you wouldn't think. And you are in that state. That state in sanskrit is called as nirvichar samadhi which instantly takes place and the second stage you see we call is nirvikalpa samadhi is doubtless awareness. Where you become absolutely detached. Like you are in the water you are afraid of water. But suppose you get into the boat you can watch the water alrigh, quiet relaxed. But supposing you know how to swim you can jump in the water and save people who are getting drowned. In the same way when that state comes in where you can jump and save other people and help other people then that state is called as a state of doubtless awareness. With this a person becomes extremely extremely powerful, dynamic. At the same time such a person becomes extremely compassionate extremely compassionate. He bcomes a person who sees everything witness everything as a drama. He gets out of it and sees everything as a drama. He doesn’t get involved into problems but he can see his problems clearly by which he can solve them better. And such a person then becomes a very good human being because he becomes righteous. The are you see above that is the green area is the area where our valencies are. Which are 10 valencies. Carbon has 4 we have 10 valencies and they get enlightened. They get enlightened and that is what is innate within us. Like carbon has 4 religions, in the same way within us aer the 10 religions which are called in sanskrit as dharma, dharma eti sa dharma the one we sustain within us is the dharma. Not that we practice say something and practice something is not dharma is not dharma not religion. The one we sustain within us and this sustenance takes place when the kundalini rises she enlightens that p?? and such a person becomes righteous absolutely righteous. He is not bothered as to what others are doing. He lives with his own righteousness, enjoys it, he enjoys his virtues and he sees the good point in others. Somehow or the other by his temperament and nature and his magnetic personality he attracts others and tries to transform them only by his existence. Now christ was a very subtle deity I should say ?? subtle incarnation because he has said though shall not have adulterous eyes. though shall not have adulterous eyes. Now I would like to know in what christian nation I should find such a people. Even the eyes because when you become realised then you will be surprised your innocence comes back. Eyes become absolutely still. And such person when he develops further, his even a glance of such a person can do wonders because there is no lust, no greed. You just watch. And watching something is the biggest boon. Suppose I see something beautiful and then I react as a human being I am to react. So it is in my mind “oh God it will get dirty and it is not insured or something sort of a nonsensical. Supposing it belongs to somebody then I start thinking how much she must have paid and where should I get it. All this thoughts come to us. But supposing I am just watching it then what happens like a lake which has no ripples in it; the whole creation reflects into it. In the same way the joy of creation starts pouring on you and you feel relax and happy. You never feel your age. You never feel you are travelling. You are with yourself wherever you are. So all these problems we have in modern times, speediness vanishes. Not only that but your family life will improves. Your society improves. Your country improves. Its a benevolence of the whole humanity you can achieve. This transformation is very essential. I am very happy that the Russian in all western world have taken such a strong step forward. I know all others will also now little bit think about it that why, why not we? Why not we seek our benevolence. Why not we have this. When it is our own power why shouldn't we get it. Supposing I say there is a diamond available here, free. Then not only from America but even from Greenland people will come here. And I say there is a diamond within you, spirit, why not have it and for nothing at all you just get it free. So why not have. This is what should be the attitude of all the people. All over the world, but I think there are certain conditionings which do not help people to get to that point. So we must know we have not achieved it so far so why not achieve it further. If we haven't got it why not we do it. Its a times, special time. And you should not missed out. Not only, not only the people in Russia but even the government has helped us a lot. I am quiet amazed at the wisdom of these people. I do not know what I should give the credit. They are remarkable people I must say. And a day may come it might become the most powerful, the most powerful country in the world. I am really amazed way they have developed within themselves the depth. There was one fellow who gave me a book which he has written about the mathematical calculation of Shri Chakra. In India there are very few must be knowing what Shri Chakra is. Its very surprising. And this is what I am telling you here in Australia which you must take note no doubt. Of course now your government has done one thing is to send some people to tape, video tape me and find out, go to Russia to find out how Russians have got it , why we haven't got it. So in this competition may be might start working here everywhere else. But this wisdom, wisdom is needed. What are we doing about our life. What are we doing about it we should find out. Where are we spending our time. Why are we going to miss it. Once you get into some terrible disease then you will come to me. Whats the use. You will be happy to know we have cured one gentleman here of aids no doubt. He ?? mr. ??. but he had no will power. He went back to the same nonsensical habit next day and then now he is dead. But the other day in Perth two people a husband and wife got cured of aids. So I have hope about that also. We should have will power to do little bit of practice of sahaja yoga and keep to it, develop it. I am sure they will live much longer than that is expected. So may God bless you. In this short time whatever is possible I have tried to put before you. I would ofcourse like you to ask me some questions for few minutes and then we should have this experience of self realisation. That is very important than any of our questions. Because even, I am good at answering questions. And even if I answer all your questions has no meaning because it doesn't guarantee your ascent. What guarantees your ascent is the happening, is the becoming. Unless and until that happens everything else is useless. So its not a mental feel, its more a natural growth within you of that new awareness which we call as collective consciousness. collective consciousness. That becomes part and parcel of you that you can on your fingertips you can feel the five, six and seven centres on your left and five, six and seven centres on the right. Your own and that of others. So there is self realisation and also you have the power of collective consciousness. Now even if you know within one months time you will find out. With in one months time , that what things are decoding. If you know what things are decoding, you can diagnose a person, you can help the person, you can raise the kundalini. You don't need me. Its like one enlightened light can enlighten another light. Like that we can have so many people who can get realisation. So may God bless you and may God give you self realisation. I like to have questions from you if possible.Q: ?? Residual power meaning you see it a little complicated thing but I will say that the whole being is created, alright, by three powers within us. One is the power on the left hand side which is the power of desire, another side is the power of action. And the third is the power of ascent which is in the centre. Now all this has happened. But still one energy is not being used and that is the energy of kundalini which is power of pure desire. Because according to economics wants are not sachetable in general. Today we want to have a chair, tomorrow we want to have a table, then we want to have a house, then we want to have something else and like that goes on.we are never satisfied. So the pure desire the power of pure desire is the kundalini. What is the pure desire. Whether you are aware of it or not, subconsciously or unconsciously whatever you call it; the pure desire of kundalini is “to be one with the divine”. This is the pure desire. Until you have fulfilled that you will never be satisfied with yourself. Because thats how you know the absolute truth. Thats how you become absolutely above all these weaknesses that you have. You become the master of yourself and also then you jump in the ocean of joy and peace. No questions. Good ??. as I have told you that there are 4000 tapes and they are available to you. You can always listen to them. Only thing that I have not told you, one thing which is important to know is this yellow balloon that we have in our head is the balloon of ego and another one is of the blue is the balloon of conditionings in us. The conditionings we have had. So the kundalini rises she passes through this crossing point and she sucks in these two things. Thats how our karma, our conditionings are sucked in. but in childhood when we grow, upto the age of twelve years these two grow like that and cover each other and the fontanelle bone area which is the soft bone in your childhood is completely closed. So when the kundalini just sucks in it opens out. And when it opens out then the kundalini passes through your fontanelle bone area and you can feel cool breeze coming out of your head. We say its the cool breeze of the holy ghost. What is the holy ghost also, you have got almighty and you have got a son; what about the mother ? She is the holy ghost, she is the primordial mother who we call , in our Indian language adishakti. In all ancient scriptures like Greece – Athena. Athena , atha in Sanskrit means primordial. Even here those people who came they call this river by paramata, is the same. So this kundalini is the reflection of the holy ghost, while spirit is the reflection of the God almighty. They have to meet and thats how they get realisation. The fontanelle bone area is opened out and you can feel the actualisation of baptism. Its not artificial. Its actualisation you can feel it, the cool breeze. Ofcourse in the Pentecostal you must have read that you can feel the cool breeze of the holy ghost. Thats what you feel on top of your head. We got photograph where sahaja yogis are sitting and in the photograph you see the light on their heads. And in some of the paintings you must have seen having light in their head. In olden times when there was christianity at the level of gnostics where they, “gna” also the word comes from the same as gyana which Shri Krishna has described as gyan marg (path of knowledge) . Gyan doesn't mean through your brain, but means, again the same bodha which I told you “gna”. Same gna is used by Thomas when he described christianity in his treaties on his way to India when he wrote all this an put them in Egypt and which are found out and now you can get that book as “gnosticis??.”; important to read because he has ?? all the ideas of suffering and things . Is written everything about sahaja yoga. He said its an experience of the self you must have. Like christ has said you have to be born again, so we certify ourselves. How can that be. In sanskrit language a born again person is called dwijaha mean born again. And a bird is also called dwija means its an egg and then it becomes a bird. In the same way first we are human beings and then we become saints. This is the second birth we should have. But we have to become !. It's not just certificate. So every body things ?? of themeselves. The other somebody asked me question “Mother, why there are quarrels among religions?” Because they are not following what their originators have told. They are just following some sort of man made religion. That's why there is problem. Because all religions are just the same. Born on tree of life at different times and these flowers were plucked by people saying this is mine, this is mine and that's why they are fighting. These are dead flowers. These are not living flowers. They come from the same source of spirituality. Christ has said those who are not against me are with me. Who are those ? In four years what could he do christ. Its an impossible situation. How people were cruel to him. I was struggling with 7 hippies; very well educated hippies in England for 4 years. So you can imagine. I must give full credit to Christ atleast he could say so many things about reality.Should we have our realisaton.(52.57)There is some gentelman, another gentleman.??I think you are little confused about it. You haven't yet seen it what happens. Alright . After the experience you talk to me about it then you will be alright. A little confused. You see, to say that, you see I have told you one light can enlighten another light. Alright. In a general way I must say that today's sahaja yoga is something very tremendous. Because it works amass. Just works out, amass, in thousands of people. So must be you are also special I must say or also these are special times and also that the divine is angcious to give you realisation. All these three things put together. But of course, I will tell you how to raise your kundalini as well as your kundalini will rise. It will take hardly ten minutes for the whole thing. But one thing is sure, I cannot force on you. I respect your freedom. Because you have to get your ultimate freedom. So I cannot force on you. You have to ask for it in your own free will. That's very important. It cannot be forced. Q: ?? That's what we are going to do. That's a very good question. That's the best question. Alright. So if you are ready then I have to tell you that there are two conditions. The first one is that you have to forget the past in this hall. Forget that you have done any mistakes or so called sins. And, you have to say in your heart that you are not at all guilty of anything. If you were guilty of something you have been in jail. So you are not guilty. Afterall you are human beings as I told you and you are capable of mistakes. But the divine has great power of forgiveness and any mistake can be forgiven. So first thing, first condition is that you have to respect yourself and forgive yourself and not to believe at all that you are guilty. Its very important for self confidence. Everyone can get realisation. But firstly one should not feel guilty. 57.03 Its a myth. Alright. Second myth is that we cannot forgive some other people. Some people say its very difficult to forgive others. But whether we forgive or don't forgive, we don't do anything. What do we do? But if we don't forgive then it starts working in our minds, working in our temperament and we play into wrong hands unnecessarily. While the person who wants to punish us is perfectly alright, in good health. So this is a myth and we are playing into wrong hands. So we have to say I forgive everyone. Now you don't have to think whom you have to forgive, what wrong he has done, how far you have to go, nothing. You just in general you have to say “I forgive everyone”. Is more important in place like Canberra. Because I know in a place like this, this centre [pointing at Agnya] works very hard; thinks thinks thinks too much, this centre. And is important to stop thinking, you have to say “Alright I forgive. I forgive. Just go on forgiving. And you get to it”. Say I, I am quiet used people who are bureaucrats. I know there situation very well. I know them better than any body else I should say. So I have to tell you really very frankly. Forgive everyone and also you know that you are not guilty. Because they have always told you have done this mistake that mistake, and also out of jealousy or whatever it is people trouble them. Then they cannot forgive. So better forgive everyone. Forget everything and be here absolutely free from all those nonsensical worries. Will be a good idea. Only by doing these things you will be completely free I tell you to receive your realisation. We have to take help from the mother earth. For that we have to take out our shoes, will help us a lot. Just take out your shoes. Some people who want to come further can come further also. Its very far away. Its alright. Makes no difference wherever you are. And if I said something that makes you feel guilty, forget my lecture also. Is important. So that means in short that we have to be very pleasantly placed towards ourselves. “Prasannachitta, in Sanskrit its said “Prasannachitta”. Must be pleasantly placed towards ourselves. You have to put both your feet little away from each other because they represents two energies. So put them on two sides. Children will get realisation without doing anything. They are very good. They are not complicated. Alright. He will show you what is to be done. You can see that and after that we will take out our spectacles and close our eyes and then the real awakening will take place. Please put your left hand towards me. Like this. This represent, putting the left hand represents nothing but the desire to get self realisation. And the right hand you have to use for action and we have to place it at different points on the left hand side on our centres. So first we put it on our heart. Thats very important because in the heart resides spirit. Again I will say in the place like Canberra is important. Because they work so hard, think so hard that the heart becomes weak. Its better to press your hand on your heart. You should put under your coat will be a better idea. And. Now take down your hand into the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of your mastery. This is made by many great teachers, masters, sadgurus. And we have to awaken it so that we become masters of that. Then you take down your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Lower portion of your abdomen. And press it hard. Now this is a special centre for pure knowledge which has to manifest on your central nervous system. Then we take back our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then take it on our heart. Now this important is that put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder. From the front. Not from the back side. Now this centre is very important because this is the centre which catches or get spoilt when we feel guilty. Turn your head to your right. Its very important. And this centre when is spoilt you get diseases like spondylitis, angina, all kinds of funny diseases, with the lethargic lung and lethargic heart. Now you take your right hand put it across your forehead. Like this. And put down your head as much as you can. And press it hard. On both the sides. This is the centre for forgiving others. Now take back your hand say way back side of your head and push back your head, as much as possible. This is the centre for asking the divine to forgive you. Now here you don't have to feel guilty. You don't have to count the mistakes you have committed. For your own satisfaction. You to ask the divine to forgive you. Then you have to stretch your hand, right hand like this. The palm is stretched properly and the centre o f the palm is put on the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone on top of your head. And now its to be pressed. Put down your head. This is important now that you push back your fingers and thumb fully. Please. Push them back properly so that there is a good pressure on your scalp. And now move your scalp slowly seven times. Move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Clockwise slowly with the pressure. Thats all we have to do. Thats all. Nothing else needed to be done. Thats all. Take out your glasses if you want. If there is anything tight near your neck, little bit loosen it. If there is anything tight on your waist, you can loosen it a little bit. And you have to be relaxed. You don't have to bend forward or backwards too much. Sit in a proper straight manner. Thats all. Now remember to put your feet on both the sides. And put your left hand towards me please and the right hand now is to go on the heart. Now please close your eyes and don't open them till I tell you. That's all. Now here when you put your hand on your heart where resides the spirit you have to ask me a very important question. You may call me “Shri Mataji or Mother” which ever suits you and this question is like as if you are asking a computer. So now ask the question in your heart not openly, not loudly, but in your hear; “Mother Am I the Spirit?”. Ask this question three times. “Mother Am I the Spirit?”. Ask this question three times. Now take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. One must know that if you are the spirit you become your own guide. In the light of the spirit you know the absolute truth. So you become your own master. So now ask a second question “Mother Am I my own Master?”. Ask this question three times.“Mother Am I the Spirit?”. As I told you I respect your freedom and I cannot cross over it. And I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now put right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and ask me “Mother please give me pure knowledge”, “Mother please give me pure knowledge”; please ask this six times. Six times because this centre has got six petals. “please Mother give me pure knowledge”. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the kundalini starts ascending. So we have to now nourish our upper centres with with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on your left hand side. And here press it hard. And say with full confidence ten times, because this centre has got ten petals. Ten times “Mother I am my own master”. Say it with full confidence. “Mother I am my own master”. Now we have to know that the divine is the ocean of knowledge and love. Pure love. It is the ocean of peace and bliss. But above all it is a very powerful open ocean of forgiveness. So we cannot do any mistake which cannot be dissolved by this powerful ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder. Push it back as much as you can towards the spinal cord. And now put your head towards right. Now here with full confidence you have to say, sixteen times “Mother I am not guilty at all” . Please say sixteen times. “Mother I am not guilty at all” . Please say sixteen times. Again I will tell you it is a myth when you say “I cannot forgive people”. Whether you forgive or you don’t forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you really torture yourself for nothing at all. So please remember that it is all a myth and you are not going to carry on with it anymore. This is very important. Because this centre is very constricted one and you have to help your kundalini to rise through it by really, heartily forgiving everyone. So now please raise your forehead across and please put your hand in such a manner that you can press it on both the sides. And now put down your head fully and here please say “Mother I forgive everyone”. Now its not necessary how many times. You to have really say from your heart. If you don't say it from your heart, this centre wouldn't open otherwise. So please I request you again and again to say “Mother I really forgive everyone”. Now don't think whom you have to forgive, what mistakes they have committed. Just say it out of your understanding that your realisation is higher than anything else. Now take back your hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Now this is the centre for you to ask for forgiveness for your own satisfaction. Without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes you just have to say “Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes, please forgive me”. For your satisfaction. Don't count your mistakes. Now stretch your hand and put the centre of your palm on the soft bone which is called as the fontanelle bone area. Press it hard and move it seven times. Here again I cannot cross your freedom. So please say seven times while moving your hand “Mother please give me my self realisation”.Now please open your eyes and put your hands like this. Now put the right hand towards me , like this and bend your head and see for your self if there is a cool breeze coming out of the fontanelle bone area or the soft bone that you had in your child hood. In sanskrit it is called as brahmarandra. Brahma means the all pervading power, and randra means the whole in ?? it. Now see for yourself. The hand should be little away from the head, above it not on it. Some people get it very far also. Now the left hand to be used now. Put the left hand towards me, higher like this. Bend your head. And see for your self if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now again the right hand. Now see for yourself. If there is a cool breeze coming out of your head once for all. Will be higher. Now. Raise your both the hands and push back your head and ask a question “Mother is this the cool breeze of the holy ghost. Mother is this the power of all pervading divine or Mother is this the paramachaitanya”? Ask any one of these question, any one of these three times in your heart. Please ask. Push back your head, Push back your head and the question three times. Now raise your hands fully. Fully. Push back your head. Push back your head. Don't miss the point. Please don't. Push back your head.Push back your head. Now please bring down your hands. Just put the hands towards me and see if you can be without thoughts. If there's no thought. Now those whole felt cool breeze coming out of the fontanelle bone area, sometimes can be hot, some heat comes out; doesn't matter. But feel the breeze. Or on your fingertips. On their hands please raise both your hands. Those who have felt it please raise your hands both like this, so I will know, like this. ya. There are wonderful people here. See, such a lot of you have got realisation. God bless you. But now this is the beginning. You have to come to our centres where ofcourse you don't have to pay anything. But little bit time you have to give and master it. You all can become masters. And there wouldn't be any more problem of ill health or any problem. And I would like to meet you all if you want to meet me just now. Because I am going away tomorrow. This is the last day of my working Australia. And next year I will be again back here. But you are all welcome to India. We have a nice tour program and also a seminar at the end of it. So if it suits you, you are welcome to come along. You all can come and see me if you like. I am sorry I am here only for one day. But next time I will be here for quiet some time. And I hope I will be able to see you grown up like a trees now. Like a see now you have sprouted now and this seed has to become a big tree. May God bless you.God bless you. (1.19.) in hindi: Aayiye. Aap kahan se. India se aye hai ? Meaning: come. Where are you from. Are your from India? (ji – yes). in hindi: yahan sambhaliye. Sab aapki cheez hai in sabko dene ki. Aapke pass itne cheeze bhari padi hai, sari duniya aapke charno me lautegi. Isko to karna chahiye. Ab Delhi me bahut kam ho raha hai. Delhi me bahut log ho gaye par. Bahut se log ho gaye. Aur kam bahut zoro me ho raha hai. Asha hai sab jagah ho jaye. Aapka shubh nam kya hai. Chandramohan Bhandari. Badi khushi huyee aap se milke.Meaning: (to an Indian) Take care here. This (spiritual knowledge) is all yours that you have to give them here. You have so many things(spiritual knowledge), whole world will look up to you. Have to do this. Now in Delhi a lot is working out. Many got realisation. Many got. And now in full swing its working out. Hope it works out every where. What is your good name. Chandramohan Bhandari. Glad to meet you.

3/20/1990

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Press Interview with "Canberra Times", Canberra, Australia, 20 March 1990. Shri Mataji: You ask them to bring My spectacles. Lady interviewer: Yeah, I, I came along for about now last night Shri Mataji: Little loudly. Lady interviewer: Oh, sorry. I came along for that now last night. There were just a few things that I want to clarify with You. – Umm, this is Your fifth time here in Australia, is it right? Shri Mataji: No, no. This is, I think, fourth time. Lady interviewer: Fourth time. Right. Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady interviewer: And how did you find last night, how did it go? Shri Mataji: For Canberra it’s very good, I must say. [Shri Mataji laughs] Lady interviewer: Yeah. More people than you thought of. Shri Mataji: Everywhere else much more. I think we must have had about one thousand two hundred or so in Sydney. Lady interviewer: Right, right, okay. Just a few things like on the health aspect You talking about I wonder if you could define your Creative Yoga a bit more for me. Shri Mataji: A little louder. Lady interviewer: I wonder if you could define your Creative Yoga a bit more. I was talking to a few people afterwards that time. [unclear] forms of yoga. I wonder if You could explain for me because I didn’t quite understand Your, Your actual philosophy. Shri Mataji: See, Sahaja Yoga, ‘saha’ means with, ‘ja’ means born, ‘yoga’ means union with the Divine Power. So, born with you, every human being, is the right to be united to this Divine Power which is a subtle power that governs this Universe, looks after all the living processes, evolutionary processes, balancing. This power nourishes as well as guides us and could be called as the Collective Unconscious, little narrow, but that’s what it is. So we have to be connected with it directly. Apart from it, it thinks, organizes and also it loves. So to get connected with it, is the last breakthrough of your evolution and that has to be achieved. So we become sages and this was known to many people thousands of years back. But it could not be achieved because people were not matured enough to receive it, perhaps. But in modern times, it is already prophesized that this is going to happen and this happening is taking place where human awareness gets connected with this power by which it achieves a new dimension of Collective Consciousness on their Central Nervous System. On our finger-tips we have the sympathetic nervous system endings, that's what doctors have gone into. Lady interviewer: Yeah, yeah, You explained that last night. Shri Mataji: Yeah. Lady interviewer: If You could just get away from that though, like, how do You actually practice the creative yoga? How do You teach people to practice? Shri Mataji: Oh! First of all you have to get connected, first of all. The – Lady interviewer: And how does that happen? Shri Mataji: That’s so spontaneous is, I give an analogy to make you understand that if you have a seed, you put it in the Mother Earth, it sprouts, it’s a living process or we can say that, if one light is enlightened, that can enlighten another light. So now supposing, I’m enlightened and if I enlighten you, you can enlighten another person. Lady interviewer: But how’re You going to enlighten me? Shri Mataji: Just if you put your hands towards Me, you can get enlightenment. So simple as that. [Shri Mataji laughs] And that works. You know, on a radio station in New Zealand, Gentleber [name unsure] is supposed to be Doctor of Philosophy and he was asking Me questions. He's quite a skeptical fellow. And suddenly, he started feeling the cool breeze on his hand. He said, he suddenly forgot what question he asked Me. He said: “Oh, look at this! What is happening to my hand! There’s a cool breeze, ” and then he said: “But not in my head.” So I gave him a little balance and raised his Kundalini, and then he said: “Yes, on my head, ” And then he said: “There’s a ball ball of Kundalini- a ball of cool breeze in my hand. Just a ball. See, there’s a ball in it.” And that’s all on the tape, you see. So it happened. And he said: “I’m the, I’m such a doubting person, I’m so skeptical, I never believe into these things how did I get it?” I said: “You were just ready for it, that’s all.” Lady interviewer: But how do you deal with, with people that are skeptical? I mean. Shri Mataji: How do you do? Lady interviewer: How do you deal with people that are skeptical of what You teach? Shri Mataji: I know how to answer them, that much I know. Lady interviewer: What if I say to You that I’m skeptical about it? How will You answer me? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes but you see what I’m saying is supposing whatever I am telling you, you must have an open mind. You must have an open mind of a scientist as think it to be a hypothesis for yourself. You need not accept Me because blind faith is not needed. Actually blind faith is more dangerous. If an atheist is there, it's better. Lady interviewer: More dangerous? Shri Mataji: Yes, because they are bound by that. They have some blind faith, they have their own concept about truth. So they’re more bound than the people who do not believe into anything. That’s what has happened in Russia. They are the ones who got it first. Lady interviewer: What you mean what that's ? Shri Mataji: Because they have no conditionings. They have no conditionings and so many got, thousands and settled down into it. Lady interviewer: How do you say that they had no conditionings? Shri Mataji: No conditionings of any kind. So if there’s blind faith it doesn’t work out so well. But if you keep your mind open like a scientist, then this is a hypothesis I put before you. So why not get it? Because you don’t have to pay, don’t have to do anything, it just works out. If that is your own power, why not get it? It’s sensible and logical, isn’t it? Lady interviewer: But how do You work out, how do You get it out of Yourself? Like there’s people that were last night what if they would have come away from there? Shri Mataji: Now they have come away, now we have a center here, luckily, in Canberra. They can come to the center – and these people are very well equipped, they can tell them. Lady interviewer: You have a Yoga center here in- Shri Mataji: Yes, we have. We have a very nice center here, and very nice people. Some have come from England and some are here. They can work it out. So there’s no problem on that. Lady interviewer: And the Yoga center that You’ve got here, how many people are involved in that? Shri Mataji: I'm very bad at accounts, I don’t know. [Shri Mataji laughs] Sahaja Yogi: Twenty, Mataji, about twenty. Shri Mataji: In Canberra we have the minimum number. Sahaja Yogi: We have regular programs. Shri Mataji: I’ve never been to Canberra before, this is the first time I’ve been. Lady interviewer: Here, You have not been to Canberra before? Shri Mataji: It's the first time in Canberra. Lady interviewer: And how did You do all this? Like You probably explained last night, but if you could just explain again how You actually came to Yoga or it came to You, like how You started on this, this journey of? Shri Mataji: How I started? Lady interviewer: Umm. Shri Mataji: I mean, I was born Realized, I should say. I knew all about this Myself but I knew also that I have to find out a method which will give enmasse Realization. Formerly, there used to be one or two people getting Realization, very few. But I knew that I have to work out some method. So, I studied the subtle problems that lies in every human being and I met many people like that. And I tried to find out what is the way one can work out that they can get enmasse Realization, you see, the permutations and combinations, if you can work it out. And then I discovered it’s not so difficult. On the 5th May 1970, the last center was opened out and that’s how it started working because that’s the only center is closed in human beings, the seventh one, which is here. And that opened out and I started working from 1970. I started with one lady. Lady interviewer: What do You mean You started with? Shri Mataji: Started means, I call, there was one lady who was interested in it. She came to Me and I worked on her. And it worked! Then we had twenty-five people more because, you see, as soon as somebody gets Realization, the news spreads. It’s a very big thing for Indians to get Realization, they think that’s the highest thing to have. So the news spread and so many people came. So first, I got one lady, then twenty-five of them. They all used to come to My house to begin with. And now, then I started moving about. My husband got elected to a job in London. He became the Secretary-general of International Maritime Organization in the U.N. So, I went to England and the work started in England and England being a circulation of all the countries, from England people started spreading out. And now we are working in forty nations, Sahaja Yoga. Lady interviewer: And You’re talking about the Russian situation. Shri Mataji:Yes. Lady interviewer: Do You feel that Your Creative Yoga has made them more happy and healthy or? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. There’re two types of Russias. One type which is, I would not say, so evolved. They’re like dishwashers and sort of people who are taxi drivers or things like that. So they care more for, say, Russian cigarettes, American cigarettes and things like that. But the rest of Russians are very well-educated, very capable and very well-read and extremely wise. Lady interviewer: It seems to be a lot of them that are wanting to leave the country though if they’re so happy and healthy they – Shri Mataji: They’re not happy. Lady interviewer: They’re not? Shri Mataji: They are not happy because they said that they didn’t find their Spirit, this part of the - this area. And the rest of them, they are materialists, so they can never be happy. Anywhere in the world materialist can never be happy because materialism never gives you happiness. Materialism takes you from one matter to another. You go on jumping, as I told you yesterday: that it’s Economics. Lady interviewer: How do You, how do You do with that in a Western civilization like this which is based on materialistic possessions, I mean? Shri Mataji: You see, they, because they were put on the materialistic achievements, you see, that’s how the theory started there. And so they said no God, nothing, no religion, nothing of that. But they saw through it that materialism doesn’t give you joy. So they didn’t waste their time in politics, gossip, this, that nonsense. They were busy finding out where does lie the joy? And so they have read a lot and they know a lot. Somehow, they were just ready, I think. Must be some blessings . I don’t know what, [Shri Mataji laughs] how to explain really. Because so wonderful they are, very wonderful people. And this problem of this food and all that started by their modern bureaucrats. It’s not true that there’s no food. Food was there but the unhappiness came from the fact that they were seeking their Spirit. Lady interviewer: Seeking their Spirit? Shri Mataji: Their Spirit. You see, they were thinking, "joy is beyond". I have visited Russia before so there’s no inflation and no, you can say, problems of mugging or anything, no violence, very peaceful and sufficiently enough. Clothes: they wear very good clothes and there, everything is available at a very cheap price. Only thing they felt, they have no freedom within themselves to speak about everything. And that’s how they went inside their being, they became introverts, started finding out "what’s the matter", "what should we have". And that’s how they found out, I think, a state of mind which was just ready to get Realization. Lady interviewer: It seems with other forms of yoga they, it’s much more subtle, more private way of practicing yoga just seems that I can’t see what You teach people, as far as relaxation and the other forms of yoga is supposed to. Shri Mataji: No madam, this is the most open science. They have just like say, Transcendental meditation – is a horrible stuff. They just give you a mantra without telling you why this mantra, how this mantra according to age. And when I discovered they were funny mantras, in Sanskrit, they have no meaning. In our ordinary words, they said one was "Inga". "Inga" means "bite of a scorpion". "Pinga" means when a person gets possessed, the round and round it goes – a person goes round, that’s "Pinga". And "Thinga" means when you show your thumb to somebody, like this, when you show him down. So this sort of nonsense and for that people paid three, three hundred pounds for this! And for this another thing that they had is a "Sidhdhi Course" where they said: "You’ll be floating in the air." I don’t know what’s the need for doing that, but still. For that, I got the person who was running it, in Greenock in Scotland, Mr. Peter Pears. He, his wife, his daughter and his deputy director, all got epilepsy. They came to see Me and they told Me the whole story about it. Now, he’s writing a book what all had happened. And they had put all their money – he was a diamond merchant, his wife was a granddaughter of a duke, all the money to start this. And they were told that you have to make them jump on the foams, these people, and tell them: "This is the mantra they have to say and they will start floating." Gradually, they found out it’s all fake. And so they stopped sending money to them, gradually they and these people became broke. They had nothing left with them and he had to go back to South Africa because he was declared as a person, bankrupt. And now there are many cases running in America, saying that their bottoms are broken with the Sidhdhi course. And six thousand pounds they took from each person to go to Switzerland where they gave for six days, the water which has boiled potatoes. And the seventh day they gave them the rind to eat and the eighth day that potato. And said that: "You have to take this if you have to do the Sidhdhi course." And people accepted. There is a lady, who is a barrister, she did it, her sister did it – her sister ended up in a lunatic asylum. She came to Sahaja Yoga: now both of them are all right. Lady interviewer: Oh, with so many other like, people that have their own formulas about what’s, what’s good for you and what’s right for health, I mean, how do we know that Your way is any way better than anybody else? Shri Mataji: You see, the only way is to know, first of all, that you can’t pay for anything like that. First, as Christians, you should know because Christ never took any money. Nobody can pay for that. Of course now if I travel – first, in the beginning, I used to pay Myself. And now, of course, they are self-respecting people so they pay for My travel and also here say, supposing you take a hall, you can pay for the hall: they don’t pay Me but they pay for the hall or they pay to the travel agent. But you can’t pay for My lectures and you can’t pay for My work which I’m doing of Self-realization, you can’t pay because it’s a living process. You cannot pay for it. All these yogas are money-making propositions. Just money-making. 19:33 But this is the point which people go against Sahaja Yoga that: "How can it be without money?" They don’t want to accept that point. But in U.S.S.R. this is the point that hit them because they knew you cannot pay for living process. They came to Sahaja Yoga after reaching a certain maturity in it. So they just jumped at it. They understood it. But here, even you’ll be surprised, as I told yesterday, that in Boston they asked Me: “How many Rolls Royces You have?” I said: “How can I have Rolls Royces when I don’t take any money?” So they said: “We can’t understand Sahaja Yoga because it is no business.” Even in BBC London, you’ll be surprised. BBC London man came to see Me and he said: “Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money.” I said: “I’m sorry, I can’t make you understand, I will not go on your London BBC.” If that is the Anglo-Saxon brain, who has made it? Is it a special type? This kind of a queer idea that you have to pay for everything, I think it’s a subtle ego that you can purchase everyone, you can purchase your guru, you can purchase Christ also. And then they did sell Him, didn’t they? Lady interviewer: What about people that keep to the church? I mean obviously they – Shri Mataji: I mean, if they want to go to church I don’t want to stop them. But if they think they have not achieved anything in the church, they better come to Sahaja Yoga. Because Christ has said that: “You’re to be born again.” He has said: ”You have to seek yourself.” Lady interviewer: If You don’t charge for anything like when You are on Your tours, I mean obviously, You have to live on something. Shri Mataji: No, it’s My husband, he's very well paid. I don’t have to do. Lady interviewer: So, if You weren't married, if You weren't in that situation, how would You go about it then? Shri Mataji: Well, you see for such a person there’s always a provision. You should live with whatever you have. Now, see Christ, Christ was the son of a carpenter. If I was a poor person, I would have lived like a poor person. What does it matter? It’s nothing important. You have to seek the comfort of your Spirit and not of your body. Even now, where I come from a rich family from My father’s side also and from husband’s side but I can sleep anywhere, I can live anywhere, I can eat anything. I’ve no problem. Lady interviewer: Just coming back to the health aspect of – Shri Mataji: Umm? Lady interviewer: Just coming back to the health aspects of the yogis Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lady interviewer: Do you practice yoga Yourself? Shri Mataji: Oh, I need not. Lady interviewer: Sorry? Shri Mataji: No, I don’t practice anything because I’m just in it, I’ve everything. I’ve reached a stage where I don’t have to practice. Lady interviewer: But You’re talking last night about how it cures. Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes, yes. That's for you people? That, that curing works for you people because your Kundalini has to be risen. Lady interviewer: When the "what"? Sorry. Shri Mataji: Kundalini is the source or we can say is the power which gives you Self-realization. You were there yesterday or not, is the point? Lady interviewer: Yes, I was. Shri Mataji: Did you hear Me about the Sacrum bone? And there’s a power, that power is the Kundalini which has to rise. And when it rises, it nourishes your subtle center. It's your own power. Lady interviewer: What does Kundalini mean though? What is it? Shri Mataji: Kundalini is the, is an energy within you. Lady interviewer: And where does it get there from? Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon. Lady interviewer: Why is it called that, where does the name come from? Shri Mataji: Come from? It is placed there, in you, like, just like a connection, this one. This is to be connected to the mains, isn’t it ? Otherwise this doesn’t work. In the same way, it’s coiled up and kept in the triangular bone and it rises within you and once it rises, it pierces through this fontanel bone area and connects you to the All-Pervading Power about which I was telling you. And as a result of that, it passes through six subtle centers, it nourishes those centers, integrates them and that’s how automatically you get well. Lady interviewer: Did you have some questions? Man interviewer: I Think, [unclear] my way would have been different to you. Articles and newspaper, really. Lady interviewer: In a way. [Discussion between the two journalists] Shri Mataji: What’s he saying? Lady interviewer: I was asking, I didn’t want to monopolize the thing. Man interviewer: No, no, no, it’s good to hear story and my way is different cause we have a music program. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Little loudly. Man interviewer: We have a music program at 2XX community radio and the format is a little different to this interview. Shri Mataji: I can’t hear. You see, I’ve little difficult for hearing your Australian English. Man interviewer: I think the lady’s interview is a little different what we're actually after. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. She's different. Man interviewer: Now our program is basically music. Shri Mataji: Hmm, hmm. Man interviewer: And I think, we have to more, to find out little bit more about more or less an introduction rather than this type of interview. Yes. Shri Mataji: These musicians [Nirmal Sangeet Sarita], all of them, are so young, you must have seen. And one is a blind fellow [Guruji]. And with Realization, they became so dynamic. So now, they want to play for Me and sing for Me because they got it, you see. And the one who has composed it was a chartered accountant [Babamama]. He never knew any Urdu or any- I mean, poetical language. But he’s become a poet. Lady interviewer: Okay, with that, that will do for me, I think so maybe. Thank You! Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. [Lady interviewer leaves the spot.] Shri Mataji: Yesterday you saw so many lifted their hands and said they got it. Man interviewer: No I was not there. Shri Mataji: So many were there, did you see that? Lady interviewer: No. Shri Mataji: You didn't see that part. Yesterday there were so many people- Man interviewer: The Realization session. Shri Mataji: who said they have got their Realization. I wish you could show her that, what happened yesterday so she will see that there were so many. I was surprised because bureaucrats are difficult. I’m sorry. Why don’t you come here? Man interviewer: Here I am. I think I should explain what we are about, how we have a community radio 2XX which is a public fund radio program Shri Mataji: Ha, ha. Man interviewer: A program’s covers all various things. Now, Hashim, I want to introduce Hashim here. He is a – he has a nightly, a Sunday night radio program of Indian music. Shri Mataji: I see. Man interviewer: And what I would actually like to ask You is more or less an introduction, so I can find out little bit more about You and who You are etc. I think I’ll almost find out. Shri Mataji: Introduction to this music? Man interviewer: Yes, sort of, that sort of thing. Shri Mataji: The music was – Man interviewer: No, no, not to music but just a sort of fit You in, to introduce our listeners to You, that sort of interview. Shri Mataji: I see. Man interviewer: So it’s not – Shri Mataji: So first I’ve to talk about, you want Me to talk about music? Man interviewer: No I would like to find out where You came from and that sort of thing, general interests because our listeners don’t know You at this stage. Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: You see, so I guess basically that's was all about. And I would say: "Welcome You to 2 XX" and have a bit of a talk where You born and under what signs and – Shri Mataji: All right, about Myself. Man interviewer: I believe, yes, I believe there was a significant sign which You're born under – and You born - Shri Mataji: It was on a Tropic of Cancer I was born. Man interviewer: Humm Shri Mataji: There’re very few places on Tropic of Cancer. One of them is Mecca. Man interviewer: There is some significance of the planets? Shri Mataji: Yes, planets are very much there. I was born on 21st March, equinox, 12 0’clock in the daytime. You know they have cast My horoscope also, suggestive of lots of things. Man interviewer: So can we sort of start this out by doing some sort of a production. Shri Mataji: Whenever you say. You can ask Me questions if you want. Man interviewer: Yeah. This is a Hashim. Hashim is the programmer I was telling. Hashim: Yes, I observed last night that the musicians assisted in making the atmosphere wonderful. Do You think that the music is important in making the Kundalini rise in meditation or in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Yes it’s a devotional music. And a musical, devotional music if is sung by people who are Realized souls, reaches your heart, reaches your Kundalini also and helps a lot to awaken them. So if there are – these are all Realized souls who were there, the dancer, everybody. The dancer was playing the rhythm and the rhythm is a Divine rhythm because she’s now become a Realized soul, she’s connected with the Divine. So when she dances, she creates a divine rhythm and when these people sing, they also sing a Divine devotion. Otherwise, without connection, if you sing the praise of God, it doesn’t reach God because you’re not connected like a telephone which is not connected. If you start telephoning, your telephone gets spoiled. So, for Devotion also, you should be connected with God. So as they are connected with the Divine, the music emits vibrations, what you call the divine vibration. As a result, it creates an atmosphere for people to receive their Realization. It becomes much easier for Me to give Realization because the atmosphere cleanse out, cleanses out and people also get ready for Realization. Because they are Realized souls, all of them are. So this is the reason why I was very happy they could manage to come. They are all professionals and they have agreed to come here and do it for a, just to help Me in Sahaja Yoga. And also you’ll be surprised that this music is very difficult, Indian music is a very difficult music. It’s not easy for people to sing unless and until you go into big practices. But is so amazing that when people get Realization, all these people who are Westerner people from forty countries, they all can sing these songs with same depth and with same understanding, without making any mistakes even in pronunciation. Otherwise, it is so difficult to pronounce Sanskrit! Even Indian languages, so difficult that they could not even pronounce one sentence properly. And now, the whole song, Sanskrit song, any song they sing so well. And if you close your eyes, you won’t believe that they’re foreigners who are singing, who have never known this language before. So something has gone dynamically new in them that they just pick it up and sing so well. Hashim: So would You consider that music has become part of the meditation like that? Shri Mataji: Of course, very much. Music is, is a divine gift to human beings, it’s a divine gift. We call it, it starts with Omkara, means the first word as that was, you call as "logos", you see. It starts with that. And that’s, that’s the proof of it. Because when they get their Realization, how is it they know such difficult language and such difficult tunes and so correctly that they can sing? It’s very surprising. So music is a very inner part, dancing, music, all art is very much connected with the Divine. Now, we have had many artists who have been Realized souls. We can say Michelangelo was a Realized soul and the way he painted earth, it emits vibrations. You see, if you see Mona Lisa done by Leonardo da Vinci, it has vibrations, it gives you vibrations. Those people who were Realized souls, like Mozart, when you play Mozart, you get vibrations out of it. You can feel them, on your finger-tips you can feel them. So there are musicians who are Realized souls. Also artists, also people like Abraham Lincoln was a Realized soul, Gorbachev is a Realized soul, he’s also a sage. So when these people are there, how will you make them out? As she was asking Me. You have to just put your hands towards them and you can feel it. Man interviewer: I think, basically we still getting back to 2 XX program. I really want to, more or less, interview You as a person who’s just coming in the studio and welcome You to the 2XX program. Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: And then just ask You – how Your birth etc. Shri Mataji: Yes all right. Man interviewer: Can we do that? Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: From the start. Hashim, can we do that? Hashim: Yeah. Like you, I lost my glasses. Shri Mataji: Is it alright? Man interviewer: Yeah. Welcome to 2 XX Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I forgot the name, the right pronunciation. May I call You Mother? Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Man interviewer: Mother, You were born under a very unusual sign. Shri Mataji: Yeah. You say so Man interviewer: Could we? Shri Mataji: Yes. I was born in a place called Chhindwara which is on the Tropic of Cancer and it’s a hill-station. I was born in a family, which was in ancient times, was a royal family and they have a calendar also, which is even now used in India, in the Southern part of India, called as Shalivahanas. They ruled in a country now called as Maharashtra, also up to the Southern areas and also in the Northern areas. But later on, gradually it subsided because of certain earthquakes and certain floods that came in. Man interviewer: When did You actually start the Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: I started it in 1970, 5th May, the last center was opened out and that’s how I started after that, I should say. Man interviewer: Is the Sahaja Yoga based on Your experienced philosophy? Shri Mataji: Based on? Man interviewer: Your experienced philosophy. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. We had Sahaja Yoga since long, thousands of years back people have written about it. That it is through "sahaj" only you get it. Don’t- "sahaj" also means "easy", by not doing anything, "sahaj" means spontaneous actually, in English language. So, you just get it spontaneously. But for that, you have to have a person who is authorized by the Divine and you must have the seeker of truth who should get it. So, it was only one or two persons used to get it. Patanjali Yoga, the whole thing, which is, now from which people have taken out Hatha yoga – they don’t do Hatha Yoga. Hatha Yoga is, "Ha" is the right side and "Tha" is the left side. Means, you have to have the working on both the sides, that is on your emotions as well as on your mental activities. So, it is not that way, it is- just works on one side, it is just a physical activity. So that is not, that’s just a wee part of the whole of Patanjali who wrote about it. He had written eight things about it and Sahaja Yoga is crossing all other things and comes to the stage where it is called "samadhi", means "awareness". It just works on awareness. So the modern Sahaja Yoga that I have started is a Sahaja Yoga in which we first, somehow or the other, give you Realization. So, you get into one more stage called as thoughtless awareness which is called as: "nirvichar samadhi". One that state is established you start seeing what’s wrong with you, yourself and then you start correcting yourself – I don’t have to tell you: "Don’t do this, don’t do that." You just start correcting yourself. Then, the second stage you achieve which is called as: "nirvikalpa samadhi" which is doubtless awareness because you become absolutely sure of yourself – that’s a state again you achieve. That’s how one achieves a very great state of spiritual ascent which Christ has said that: “You’re to be born again,” or “Know yourself”. With this, your hands start speaking as said by Koran that: “Your hands will speak,” and that you start feeling on the fingertips all the centers that you have within yourself, so you know about yourself – also you can feel the centers of others. But now, if you know how to decode them and to find out how to correct them, you can correct any center. Man interviewer: Yes. And You are doctor of medicine and psychology. Shri Mataji: No, I wouldn’t say that, because in I never practiced anything but I did study Medicine. Man interviewer: You did your studies, qualified. Shri Mataji: I studied medicine, I had to also study little bit of psychology because I had to talk to psychologist and I had to talk to doctors so I wanted to know their terminology, what it is. Man interviewer: And you also were born Christian? Shri Mataji: Yes, I was born in a Protestant Christian family. Man interviewer: Do You also practice that religion? Shri Mataji: No, I mean it’s all, this is real Christianity. Man interviewer: I see. So the yoga is actually a religion. Shri Mataji: Real Christianity because you get the actualization, your baptism. It’s nothing artificial in it. You know that Christ was the Son of God through only Sahaja Yoga because there is a center within you where you have an optic chiasma, in that resides Christ which is the cross. And because of His resurrection, we can resurrect, so it is the gate. And then Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: How did You receive the message to start the yoga? Shri Mataji: I knew all these things, I knew all this. Man interviewer: So it just didn’t come to You as a? Shri Mataji: No, it doesn’t come, it’s all there. Man interviewer: It has been with You all Your life right through. Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Right through Your life, it’s a, You’ve known that one day You would be doing this sort of a preaching or making this sort of movement similar to this. Shri Mataji: What is it? Man interviewer: All Your life You would more or less know that this would be- Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah. I knew. Only problem was, you see, I knew all about it, I knew that all religions are integrated. Christ has said that: “Those who are not against us are with us.” I knew all of them, everything I knew. But the problem was I didn’t want to talk about it, I didn’t want to do anything about it because I thought I must find out an en masse Realization method. Otherwise, you see, if you give Realization to one person, people get after that person. See everybody was tortured. Mohammad Sahib was given poison. Christ was crucified. Everybody was tortured, every saint was tortured. So I thought we should give it to so many people. We have to create a new race now of Realized souls, then they will understand. Man interviewer: But You still believe in God? Shri Mataji: Of course, God is there, without God nothing can be done. God is there, I’m just doing the work of God only. He wants you to enter into His Kingdom, I’m just working it out that you all enter into His Kingdom and enjoy Him. Of course. Man interviewer: Yeah well, wish You happy stay! Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: I wish You happy stay! Shri Mataji: Thank you. Man interviewer: And I guess You’ll be back sometime. Shri Mataji: It should be. Man interviewer: Next year? Shri Mataji: I hope next year I’ll be here, I hope so and I’ll work it out. I’ve been working for so many years now, now I’m 67 years of age already and I hope some more years I would be able to spend to travel around. There’re so many nations I have to travel through all the time I’m traveling. Man interviewer: Thanks very much! Shri Mataji: Thank you. Is it alright? Man interviewer: Hmm. Shri Mataji: Little bit you’ll have to cut out because I couldn’t hear. You see, since yesterday My head has is little bit too much, has been going on everyday morning, evening and no rest, sleeping at 3 o’clock, getting up 5 o’clock. So it’s a little bit today My head is little bit wobbly, I should say Man interviewer: Thank you, madam, it's something similar to me, I 'm just trying to get over the wobble. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: The cold, yeah? Shri Mataji: Yeah, also I got cold because here women smoke so much and they smoked on My face, you see. So, smoking is so much here still, I mean, you must stop that. So much smoking. There’s something has happened, I don’t know if you’ll believe it or not. But I went down to Cairns and – Is she there, Kay? Sahaja Yogi: Just have a look if I can. Shri Mataji: Yes, just let her get. And they took Me down to that reef, you see, they were telling Me about these crown thorns [starfish Acanthaster] and things like that. We just went round, you see, must- the vibrations must have spread and suddenly they all have left now. They don’t know, mysteriously. They were eating all these corals. All of them have left suddenly. The paper it has appeared on the 17th. I was there on the 8th I reached there, 8th to 10th and we just went round and I was just- and in the area where we went, it has happened. Sahaja Yogi: Renown. Shri Mataji: Yes. Man interviewer: Would You say there was a miracle at all? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Would you call that a miracle? Shri Mataji: No it’s not a miracle because vibrations are there, you see, the Divine vibrations, they give a balance, they destroy all such things automatically. So, because I went there, the vibrations must have spread, I think so that must have happened. It has happened, so many things have happened. Have you got that thing? I want them to see. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, Shri Mataji. [The Yogini gives a copy]. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. So she came from Cairns and she brought it to show Me. But when we were coming from New Zealand they announced it as a big news in the airplane. that this is what has happened. Yes, thank you. Sahaja Yogini: This is from page at 9:30 pm. Shri Mataji: Also it helps, vibrations help your plants very much. There’s one gentleman called Dr. Hamid, he has solved the problem of acid rain, in Austria, by giving vibrations. All the trees which were below 60 years, all were saved and doing very well. So, he said we can solve that problem also. Also, agriculture can improve, many a time. We can use non-hybrid seeds, vibrate them and you can get tremendous effect of it. I have done that and we got beautiful rice in our house just in 1 acre I got, out of 60 kilos, I got 1400 kilos of rice. So, I mean, it just changes the whole atmosphere, everything changes. You saw that? Hashim: I have got to ask You one question for the radio show, Shri Mataji, would You give advice for the listeners of this program? Shri Mataji: You see, they can- Hashim: It can effect them? Shri Mataji: Yes, it can effect them. What they have to do, is to ask them to put their hands, when I’m speaking, both the hands towards the photograph, if they have. But if they don’t have the photograph, then they can just put it towards the radio, just towards the radio and they’ll get it, they should get it. If not once, twice, thrice they should try. If they tape it and they can again play it and put in their hands, they might get it. We tried that in Hong Kong, it worked, it did work. Because even what I speak, has vibrations. You see, they are vibrations: when you speak, when you’re Realized, you’ll also have vibrations. We’ve got photographs where all the Sahaja Yogis are sitting and on top of their heads is the light. There’re so many miraculous photographs that you won’t believe. You won’t believe that there’re such photographs are possible. We have any here, no? Sahaja Yogini: No, I've got one from Cairns. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogini: I've got one from Cairns. Shri Mataji: You’ve got one alright. Can you show them? We have so many photographs even that shows light in My hand. There’s a Moon in, at My feet. They’ve got in My heart light. There’s a light coming on My head. Well, all kinds! I mean there’s no end to it. But that we don’t show to anyone because nobody believes it. So only the Sahaja Yogis who have done the photographs, they know that this is theirs. Man interviewer: Very interesting. Shri Mataji: And even, even recently My, from My head, light is coming like this like a complete lotus. We have only one but we should have everywhere some photographs to show them. It would be a good idea but nobody would believe, I mean, you people seem to be quite receptive so you will believe it. But normally people don’t believe it. They believe in God but they don’t believe that God is miraculous. They believe in God, alright, there is God but they can’t believe that God would be miraculous, that’s the trouble, you see. It’s just their mental concept of God: “Oh, is there is God, we believe in God,” But what is that God is? He’s so Great! You could find one, did you? Sahaja Yogi: Unfortunately, a small boy got hold of it. It's a bit crumpled but You can see them. Shri Mataji: Which one? Oh! This is I’m standing in the sea, in the heart there’s light. Sahaja Yogi: It’s a little bit crinkled because George got hold of it. Man interviewer: Yeah. Sahaja Yogi: But, and it’s- there're scores of autographs like this. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's scores, really. Another Sahaja Yogi: I was talking to a German who has edited a lot of films on Shri Mataji. And he says that: “About every 200 frames there is a- they will get one frame that’s got light all over.” Shri Mataji: No, but these Russians when they took the photographs, you see, they did the filming, for 10 minutes they have got one. It's full of lights and that’s how they earned lot of money out of that in Russia. And they came all the way to do our- you remember this time. Another Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: All the way to India because they said: “We have never seen such a thing that without any organizing any lights or anything, how we got light from You coming this way, that way and that was all in the film.” So the Russians were very much impressed. Also, that has helped a lot for publicity. So they’re just waiting there for Me. In the West, I don’t know, we have, we think too much, I think we have, we have ideas and they’re not true. We must open our heads and see for ourselves whatever is the truth, we should accept because we talk of God, we’ll read Bible, alright, we’ll go to church this, that. But it’s so superficial, God is so deep! And once your depth is opened out, you can see all these things so clearly. He works, it’s not a myth. It’s not a myth. Man interviewer: Yeah, I think, we've gone half here. Shri Mataji: That’s why I said it is real Christianity. Man interviewer: Yeah, yeah. Shri Mataji: Ours is a Pauleen Christianity, Pauleen, Paul organized it. And so many have criticized. Khalil Gibran, I have seen, there’s another I wrote- I saw a book about Christ being in India and that gentleman has also criticized Pauleen Christianity. And also, so many of them have said this is not real Christianity and is all Pauleen Christianity. Shri Mataji: You've got something? Sahaja Yogini: this one? Shri Mataji: Yes, this one. This is in a village. These people have made it. Sahaja Yogini: It's Sahaj, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Where is it? Sahaja Yogini: On the boat coming back from Green Island. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogini: It was on the boat coming back from Green Island. Shri Mataji: Why is this all on My head ? Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]. Shri Mataji: That may, can be challenged but other things. There’s a light on My head. But there’s some more, must be. Sahaja Yogini: They’re getting them from [unclear]. Actually, there's one of You near the boat. There was no light there at all. There were people sitting there and that light is on top of Shri Mataji’s head. And you can't see them, it's just that light coming. Shri Mataji: You see, when one should doubt, one can go on doubting. No end to it. But if you believe in God then God is a miracle, no doubt. But the miracles are not like this that the chair moves from here to there or you get something in your hand, that’s not the miracle. God is not interested in all these things; or you jump in the air. What’s the use? All these funny ideas especially this TM is the most dangerous one. Yesterday, we had somebody from TM, two of them. Absolutely, they couldn’t get Realization and they end up as epileptic people. There is no criticism of TM here? Some must have done. Man interviewer: Umm, I think basically it’s all over the world. Shri Mataji: Everybody is afraid? Man interviewer: Yeah, I think so. Shri Mataji: I am not afraid. They have never, you see, I have been openly telling about them from 1970. Nobody has challenged Me, nobody has said anything. Sahaja Yogi: In Canberra, Mother, there are selling themselves stress managers to all the public servants and they will or they went to the public servants by giving lectures on stress management. And the government supports it by allowing people to go along. The same way they try to get into the health system in England. But the doctors threw them out because they knew that they were frauds in England. Shri Mataji: But you see, they’ll discover it in no time. It happened also in London, people have discovered it. Now they’re not allowed to do anything there. So now they have started a new theme that they’ll do Ayurveda, herbal medicines. And- but for Ayurveda why do you want to go to them? You can go directly to Ayurveda. It’s all money-making proposition, that’s all. He has crores and crores of Rupees in India. I don’t know how people believe him. Man interviewer: Do You have any target at all? Shri Mataji: I have any? Man interviewer: Target. Are You so trying to develop everybody into – Shri Mataji: What is that? Another Sahaja Yogi: Do You have a target? Are You trying to get a certain number of people in a certain amount of time? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: I mean, whatever of the target in the Bible, we have already crossed it. Man interviewer: So You’re not trying to bring – Shri Mataji: No, unlimited. Man interviewer: Everybody? Man interviewer: So You’re not trying to bring – Shri Mataji: No, no. No. But according to John, I think, the target is over now. So now, we have to think about something unlimited. I think the Divine is anxious to get more and more people into it. He’s said it. He said 144 thousand. But we have crossed that limit definitely. Man interviewer: Yeah, well I think [inaudible] But one must hurry up, I think. [Shri Mataji laughs] But you see, they go to these gurus and things get so mesmerized, they can’t leave it and they also deal in the same way like this is bargain, you see: "Now make it cheaper for you, do this, do that" and people agree to such a thing. They play these tricks just like our salesmen do, they play some tricks: "Alright now, this is a bargain price if you want, we’ll charge you half, this that. That way" And people are really mad that they run into it and when they suffer, then they say: “No, no that’s not our responsibility, you’re no good. Because you’re so bad, you’re sinful, that’s why you didn’t get it.” No responsibility. The laws are so funny but if you give somebody some money wilfully, nobody can challenge it: "Why did you give?" It’s cheating, complete cheating. There’s one lady, she calls herself by Chidwilasananda, she’s a illigitimate daughter of Muktananda. She comes, she puts laser beam and comes with a wand, you know, goes round like this and she mesmerizes people, people just get really so sick with her. Once they have been to her, they get sick. And she came to Canada before I went there. And then people challenged that: “Why did you not get income-tax from her.” They said: “No, she, she came as an entertainer.” And there’s a law – they know all the loop-holes of the law – there’s a law in Canada that somebody comes as an entertainer, he’ll not be charged income-tax. So, they know all these things, they work it out that way. It’s a big racket and they never talk ill about each other. As Christ has said: “They will not talk against their own house.” Satan will not. They never talk. Nobody will say that this is wrong. “Oh, that’s good, this is good, that good.” Like this Chinmoy also – same fellow, same type. There’s big bribes he gave to people in UN, got into UN and I don’t know what he’s doing. So many of them, I feel ashamed because I’m also an Indian. But this kind of cheating they have done to ruin so many people, I feel very sorry for it. But also, people are also gullible and vulnerable. Already Christ has described about the fake people, everybody has described. In India also they have described about it. But I don’t know, still, people take to them so easily, they’re so gullible. Man interviewer: I find most people want a sign of some sort, some sort of a ritual- Shri Mataji: They have no signs, nothing. Signs are – those who go to them are sick, they get cancer, they get all troubles. You see, what is the sign? They have no sign just, what signs they have like, they advertise very well, they have money to advertise or they make a big, what you call gimmick, some tricks – that’s all. – Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: It’s absolutely one thing is said that: “The one who makes you get to God or the one who gives you Realization, is the only one who is a real master.” It’s said so clearly. But, they will never say: "We'll give you Realization." Never! That point they always miss out. And somebody says: "You give me Realization" They say: "You’re not capable, you’re useless.” They never say that: "We can give you Realization." And so many people have now come to us who went to drugs because of them. AIDS – this TM gives AIDS also. All the people actually, so far, who came to us were doing TM who got AIDS. Because they started a new sort of a nonsense that men and women should not see each other, so they were kept in two compartments. Naturally, they developed all these bad habits and they got AIDS. These two persons who came to us even in Perth had done TM. Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: So I think, if you are homosexual plus you go to these TM or anything, it triggers it. You got them somehow [Shri Mataji laughs] Sahaja Yogi: Ah yes, I got them tonight. That’s the whole series. We have to get them all. Shri Mataji: It's the first one we had in a village. Sahaja Yogi: That’s an amazing one at [unclear.] Shri Mataji: This is a New Zealand girl, Cheryl, who did it. Now she is in Melbourne. Sahaja Yogini: I was sitting next to her when she took it. Shri Mataji: Really? And all of you took photographs, nobody got it, it’s only she. Sahaja Yogini: I wasn’t taking photographs but I remember the day it because it was overcast. And there was nothing above You, no awning or anything. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: In that village what do you get. Sahaja Yogini: It was a cloudy day so there was no sunshine in the day, cause I was sitting there. Completely overcast day. And this aura. Shri Mataji: And when I stopped it. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, no doubt. Shri Mataji: Very well done, this one is! It was an old village school, that’s all. Sahaja Yogini: Yes. This is this enough picture? Have they enough? Shri Mataji: I was saying, now stop it now. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man interviewer: Do these apparitions actually appear on Your person? Shri Mataji: Yes, on Me. Just some play of lights This one is also, I was going on a bullock-cart and suddenly this thing came up. Shield the whole thing completely. Sahaja Yogi: Camera picks it up. Another Sahaja Yogi: Only photographic. Shri Mataji: Cameras are wonderful, I must say. Ordinary camera, even an ordinary camera sometimes gets it. Depends on the person, I think. Like, we were sitting in Calcutta and there was a lady, she said: “Mother, I want one miraculous photograph.” And she got a Sun and the Moon behind My head. And there are others, so many others have taken photographs, there’s nothing, only she has got it. So, it's just, I think, the person it depends on or the camera acts accordingly. Just imagine, a camera, which is an ordinary camera, gets these things. Man interviewer: How do You explain it? Do You consider that You have some unusual power at all? Shri Mataji: You see, if you are that, you don’t feel anything about it. If you’re not, then people think, like: "The Sun is there, so what? Sun has got its own powers. So what? Nothing so great!" If I’ve got My own powers, it’s alright but if you achieve it, then that’s something great about it. Man interviewer: I see, so already it's Your power not an attracted power. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: It is Your power not an attracted power Shri Mataji: Not what power? Man interviewer: An attracted power, power that’s attracted to You. Shri Mataji: Attracted? Another Sahaja Yogi: Is Your power, it’s not something You’re attracting to You? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, I just emit, I just emit. I don’t attract any power. I just- ah, of course, I mean, supposing you have some troubles or something, that I absorb within Myself, but I don’t attract any power, I just emit. Man interviewer: So You consider that light it’s actually coming from You rather than coming towards You? Shri Mataji: This is what is the Divine light which is trying to convince you people [Shri Mataji laughs] Just to convince you, I think. Man interviewer: Yeah. Sahaja Yogi: Try its tricks. Man interviewer: Very interesting, yeah. Shri Mataji: So many, I mean, if you see, they will be surprised. Sahaja Yogini: This is so like the pictures of you see in the Bible of Christ with the Grace coming down. Shri Mataji: Ah, when He was praying in the Gethsemane, yes. Sahaja Yogini: Yeah Shri Mataji: In the garden, they show it. Now, some people did conceive it because I’ve seen also some of the very old paintings where the Christians are standing like this [with open hands], the disciples of Christ and they are putting their hands like this and there’s a light on their head. I’ve seen it. Now, I’ve also seen some paintings with the light on the heart of Christ. I’ve seen such paintings. So, I think, in their unconscious, they saw all these things and they have painted it, yes. Also in the sky! Sahaja Yogi: Yes, in the sky. Shri Mataji: Just tell them about that. Another Sahaja Yogi: There has been, no one gets one here but there is a cloud pattern in particular which is- you can actually see without any imagination, you can see Shri Mataji’s face and all that. Shri Mataji: That time I used to wear a diamond thing inside [the nose] and even My teeth and the gap between the teeth, everything is so visible into that. It’s- they saw it in the sky. First, you see, the sky became very luminous and there was one- one cloud became very luminous and the thread started coming out of that and then they weaved this thing. So, they just took the photograph and it turned out to be My photographs – two photographs. One is with that and one is where I look like a Red Indian sort, that is also. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Ganesha Shri Mataji: Yes, that that’s the one, the first one started with. But later on these two photographs came in out of that pattern. That’s how they got attracted otherwise nobody takes the photograph of the sky. So, first to make them feel attracted, you see, this luminous thing came in and it started weaving this. And then they took the photograph, it was My photograph. And in the village there’s no question of this happening, you know, in a village – just took the photograph, it came out like that. Man interviewer: So the interesting thing about the film editor is, the film is going through eighteen frames a second, or twenty-four frames a second. Another Sahaja Yogi: About twenty-five, I think. Man interviewer: Yeah, twenty-four. Now that means, that perhaps, that light is showing for 1/24th of a second. We just simply can’t see that. Shri Mataji: And that’s how if somebody catches that, you get it. Man interviewer: That's right, on a camera. Shri Mataji: Yes, must be that. That, that split of a second, some people catch it and they get it. I know, I mean I know this is all happening, I know, I see Myself but the people don’t see. But after Realization, definitely, you see two things: one thing you see those commas, shining commas in the sky, that is the vibrations. And also you see looped round, round things looped like that in the sky. They always used to ask Me. I said: "These are dead souls." Now, they have discovered. I said: "The soul is on your back in seven loops and it manifests. It’s a reflection, on every cell, there’s a receptor." So now they have discovered that every cell has a receptor which has got something which has got seven loops, they can’t explain. And that, the picture of that is exactly what you see in the sky. Even to talk about dead soul is a very difficult thing in the West. They don’t want to believe into anything. Whatever is discovered through science, they want to believe. But this science has no humanity, it has no art, it is so dry! Science is a wee part of the knowledge. We have to know so many other things. This is how they have discovered now and thank God, those pictures He has sent to Me, exactly what you see. So also it gives you a future plan in which direction to move for scientific approach. Now there are three doctors who have got MD in India because they have seen on twenty-five to thirty patients how Sahaja Yoga acts and cures them. Psychosomatic also, which is the most difficult area, psychosomatic. AIDS, all these incurable diseases come from that. Man interviewer: How would You suggest we cure these? Shri Mataji: Can you get a thing from My [Shri Mataji coughs] Another Sahaja Yogi: Want lozenge, Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: Yeah, in the vanity. It’s too much now. I don’t know how they smoke so much. Man interviewer: You might be suffering from some – Shri Mataji: And still continue to live. Man interviewer: sort of Hay fever, I think, that’s quite common. Shri Mataji: Very dangerous! Yes, better have some Strepsil will do this Another Sahaja Yogi: It’s only one Strepsil. Shri Mataji: It’s alright, it’s alright. It’s alright. Another Sahaja Yogi: Too much talking. Shri Mataji: Ah, also these three musicians had, they got it from smokers but they don’t smoke at all, you see. And then I was curing them. And also smoking, I mean, is, is a mess. We pay money to spoil our throats. [Shri Mataji laughs] But with this, smoking goes away, drugs go away, all bad habits. We become such a balanced person. So many are wasteful habits, you see, and so many are so destructive. Like this Grand Prix that they have, what is the need to do that madness? And already the people are getting so speedy, children are getting so speedy. There are diseases, like, now a new disease which I had announced about. I had told about the AIDS also about five, six years back, about eight years back I had told them. And I told about this new disease, Yuppies disease about three years back. You saw that that lady had it? Another Sahaja Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Where you, you become, you do everything unconsciously. But when you become conscious you can’t do it. Now, if you want to get up, you can walk off. But if you think: “I have to walk,” you can’t. The conscious mind has become so weak. This is Yuppies disease. Another Sahaja Yogi: It was very interesting because it was like this. I said to her: "Pick that up." And she will get hold of it and her hand would shake and she put it down. But if you just hand it to her, she takes it. [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s funny! But I told about this. Because too much of futuristic ideas, too much of speed, you see, human-beings can’t bear certain speeds and the speed is so much gone into our being that our conscious mind has become weak. It's very common in America, this disease, even in London. And doctors are treating now 3, 4 with Sahaja Yoga. Also, doctors are little bit frightened about Sahaja Yoga because it cures people so they think what will happen to us, to our practices, you see? They’re little worried but there’re so many patients, they need not worry at all. Only those who come to Sahaja Yoga and get their Kundalini awakened, get all right. Everybody is not going to be all right. So they shouldn’t worry that they will lose their practice. Man interviewer: Should we worry about the environmental law, can You help the? Shri Mataji: No, if you get Realization, you shouldn’t worry about that also. Because if you get your Realization, what happens, a balance is established within you. Then you don’t go into imbalances. Actually, our imbalance has brought forth this imbalance outside. Man interviewer: I see. Shri Mataji: If human-beings get balance, there won’t be anything. The amount of things we create, there’s no need. And the machines are for us, we are not for the machines, we have become slaves of machines now. There’s no need to have so many machines. It should be in balance, whatever we need, that much. They have created mountains and mountains of plastics in America, mountains! Also here I see so many cars, you see, just lying - as I don’t know what you call them and they are not reconverted into cars or something. Just these cars which are broken down, so many cars in Australia. Man interviewer: Yes. Shri Mataji: They should be reconverted. Man interviewer: Recycled. Shri Mataji: Ah. But one Sahaja Yogi was saying that he’s found out a method by which he can make these toxic things into stones. I said, very good idea if you can make that then at least the toxic fumes may get into stones, you see, and these stones can be used for anything, pavement, anything. But he’s not been given so much recognition, so far by the government. Government should take it up seriously. Man interviewer: I think, basically that wouldn’t be much of a good idea, I guess because – Shri Mataji: Unnh? Man interviewer: Toxic stones are still- Shri Mataji: Very good idea. But they are not paying any attention that’s what he told Me, this gentleman. What’s his name? You saw him in- Another Sahaja Yogi: Perry Corden [unsure]. I think it's Perry Corden, is it? Sahaja Yogi: Did you call Mother? Another Sahaja Yogi: The toxins were actually burned off and they just, they locked in– Man interviewer: Destroyed actually, the toxins. Another Sahaja Yogi: Yeah. So there’s no, there’s no [unclear] Sahaja Yogi: It's apparently by burning of the toxins so it ends up with a type of a hard substance like a stone. Shri Mataji: Also they have discovered this Solar energy business but is not so easily available to people Solar energy should be much more easily available. It’s so expensive to install that nobody in India wants to use it. We have so much of Solar energy. If they could make it cheaper, we won’t have any energy problem in our country. Another Sahaja Yogi: They are working a lot on that here Shri Mataji. They’ve got a whole town, now in New South Wales that uses Solar power. Shri Mataji: It’s true but, you see, you can afford to pay so much, not, Indians, can’t. They are still experimenting. Shri Mataji: Still experimenting. Sahaja Yogi: I think, a few companies also try to slow the research because they lose money through allowing Solar power to get to home. Man interviewer: I believe that BP, British Petroleum is it?- are the leaders in Solar Power at this stage. And Australia has quite a significant Shri Mataji: Really? Man interviewer: Yes, one of the topmost firms. Shri Mataji: But it should go to the poor countries, you see, where there is so much of sun. It can solve their problem. It should be available at a price that they can afford. I tried to make it for our house ‘Pratishthan’ but it costs you more than having about 30 heaters in the house. So I mean, nobody would do it. Another Sahaja Yogi: Now they still haven’t really got a good Solar collector – they’re still trying to find one. Shri Mataji: That’s, that’s I was saying so. They haven’t got something like that. Man interviewer: Yes, it’s very inefficient. Shri Mataji: It could be liquidified, you see, supposing somehow or other. If you can bring it to the liquid state then it can be used much better. This research must come from Australia, must come, because they have lot of Solar energy here. Otherwise, in England they don’t have , I mean, the Western countries don’t have much of Solar energy except for your country. And they should go into it deeply and they can work it out. I think, just they should think about it, they can help a lot. Instead of giving money to poor countries, better give them such inventions. Man interviewer: Yeah, they don’t seem to utilize the money in the right way, do they? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: It’s quite a waste ! [Shri Mataji laughs] If they stop elections, it will be a good idea, for some time. [Shri Mataji laughs] Today I was reading newspaper, there’s nothing but elections. I said: “What about some news about other people?” Nothing. It’s all election, election, election. Man interviewer: Yeah, I guess we will have to wait until – Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Next week or week after. Shri Mataji: Next week, yes. That’s My birthday. Another Sahaja Yogi: Tomorrow. Shri Mataji: Hum? Another Sahaja Yogi: Tomorrow. Shri Mataji: That’s it, tomorrow. Let’s see. Man interviewer: Yeah, I guess we have enough. Shri Mataji: It will help young people very much because they can be saved from drugs, that’s the point is and it’s a big attack. I’m told now that area of Colombia is getting nervous and they’re going towards Spain, quite a lot, and from Spain is diverted directly to Australia. So you’re under attack. And when it comes here, I mean, you can’t stop it. England is, of course, is quite into it, no doubt, in a very bad shape. They have put the military now to stop it. But they can’t. They have so many harbors, so many things, it’s very difficult. Because Amsterdam, they have allowed it, it’s a legal thing in Amsterdam. So it comes to Amsterdam and from there London is so close, you know. You can come by so many ways. That’s a very dangerous, dangerous thing they have done in Amsterdam – is to allow it. Sahaja Yogi: Young people are so susceptible to it because there it is disillusion. Shri Mataji: Because you are under tensions, you see, and you want to escape. You want to escape reality because reality as you see, is so, so full of tensions and full of worries and full of sort of a fear. So to escape that people take to it . But if they come to Sahaja Yoga they know that reality is beautiful, then they don’t have to escape anything. So many have been saved in England, he knows very well, out of drugs, so many. But Sahaja Yoga must be accepted by governments, then only it will work out faster. The government is very slow. They have to have a regular sort of an organization which should come to you with lots of advertisements and money and this. That we don’t do, that’s the only problem. Another Sahaja Yogi: I have a daughter who stopped using heroin in three weeks. Stopped. Shri Mataji: Smoking they stop overnight, so many. There was only one girl who said, “Mother, still I smoke little bit.” The other day she gave up, now she’s alright. Another Sahaja Yogi: She’s had a big problem with that. Shri Mataji: You don’t have to say prohibition or anything, yes. They don’t also drink at all, they’re very happy, healthy, nothing wrong with them. They don’t even drink. Imagine in England people have stopped drinking, can you believe it? Where the pubs open at 6 0′clock in the morning. Man interviewer: Yeah, I think, there are a few places in Canberra and Sydney which open pretty early too. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: I think, there’s a few places around in Australia that open pretty early too. Shri Mataji: But it happens automatically, you don’t have to tell yourself or anything, just happens. You just become a different personality, it just happens to you. Nothing can dominate you. Man interviewer: You don’t do it yourself. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: It just happens. Shri Mataji: Just happens. You become like that, like a saint, you see. You just don’t drink, you don’t like it, finished. Man interviewer: Do You consider Yourself a saint? Shri Mataji: Do You? Man interviewer: Do You consider Yourself a saint? Shri Mataji: I don’t know, I don’t want to put Myself into any category, into any category whatsoever. Because you see, when you tell about Yourself, is dangerous these days. Even before, like Christ said the greatest truth that He was the Son of God, no doubt about it, but they crucified Him. So I want to live for some time. Man interviewer: So, You’re quite happy with Your followers calling You saint? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: You’re quite happy with Your followers considering that You like considering and explaining to other people that You are saint. Shri Mataji: I don’t say that. These people call Me saint, everything. I don’t say anything about Myself because I say: “You come to Sahaja Yoga, get your light and know Me.” It's better. Another Sahaja Yogi: I think perhaps, the answer to your question, lies in another question: “What is a saint?” Man interviewer: Yeah, that’s true. Shri Mataji: He asked? Another Sahaja Yogi: Now what is a saint Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: I mean what is a saint is the one who is, who is connected with the Divine, is the saint. Simple thing as that. That I am, but I am much more than that. Man interviewer: What is Your relationship with God? Shri Mataji: With whom? Man interviewer: With God? Shri Mataji: Gandhi? Another Sahaja Yogi: With God? Shri Mataji: With God. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man interviewer: What is Your relationship? Shri Mataji: Quite close. [Big laughter] Quite close, but it’s better that people should find it out after getting the light, so they believe in it. No use, just now, saying: "I’m this, I’m that. " It's not proper because human-beings don’t like it, their ego gets challenged: "Why You?" They also ask Me: "Why You should give Realization?" I said: "You'd better do it, I’ll retire, very good. If you can do it, well do it." Yeah. So it’s, that’s why it’s better to be on the quiet, let them find out. Gradually, they do find out. Man interviewer: And do You see some successor following You when You die at all? Shri Mataji: Successor? Man interviewer: Yeah, do You have a successor? Shri Mataji: No, no, not yet. That’s all spontaneously we work out, I’m sure. I don’t have to do that. There’s nothing like successor or all that. They’re all Realized souls, all of them are successors. Man interviewer: I see. Shri Mataji: Yes. There’s not one single person. That’s My father’s photograph. Show him. He was also a Realized soul. And he was a great Nationalist who sacrificed everything for Indian freedom and he was jailed. My mother also, she was Honors of Mathematics, she also went to jail. All our family sacrificed. This is during Your – Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Freedom. Fight for freedom. Shri Mataji: Yeah. Then he changed his cap and everything but he was an advocate, he was a lawyer. Man interviewer: Yes. Shri Mataji: So I come from a family of that kind which was very enlightened and very sort of sacrificing, very devoted to India, Indian struggle of life, struggle of Independence. I was with Gandhiji also from My childhood. I met very nice people in India. Those were the days where very nice people came up and now as soon as we got our independence, all the selfish people are there to take seats in the Parliament. Man interviewer: Do You have any prophecies in relation to how India will- Shri Mataji: Not yet, but maybe later, why not? Man interviewer: Not yet. Shri Mataji: Because prophecies then take your attention to future so is best is to do your work – and it just expands gradually. Man interviewer: I see. Yeah, I think we – Shri Mataji: Alright? Man interviewer: Yeah. Another Sahaja Yogi: You would not like to stop, isn't it? Man interviewer: Pardon? Another Sahaja Yogi: You would not like to stop. Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: He’s going into thoughtless awareness himself. Now, you just put your hands like this, you’ll get your Realization, no doubt. Put your both the feet separate from each other. Just see on his head, he’s got it already. Feeling the cool breeze? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: You got it. Yeah. Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: That’s it. What about you [Hashim]? Just put your hands like this. You really relaxed. You got it too, it’s there. And this is the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Ah! It’s better now? That’s the silence within yourself you feel it. Alright, so may God bless you! Man interviewer: Yes, it has been very interesting! Shri Mataji: Very nice meeting you, very nice meeting you. Man interviewer: I hope You have a good stay and You come again sometime. Shri Mataji: Alright, thank you very much. Man interviewer: Take care. Shri Mataji: Thank you for this, thank you. Man interviewer: Bye-bye. Another Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, would You like a cup of tea? Shri Mataji: I think, I’ll go inside first. Man interviewer: [Sounds like I hope it was not boring] Sahaja Yogi: I’m sure it wasn’t. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: [To Hashim] Namastey. Come here. He’s from what country you said? Hashim: Malaysia. Shri Mataji: Malaysia, ah! Hashim: Thank You. Shri Mataji: Malaysia. Malaysia we have a very good center now and mostly Chinese, mostly Chinese are coming. Hashim: I’ve not been home for thirteen years. Shri Mataji: Yeah, really? You’ve been here, annh? Good. Hashim: For that long [inaudible.] Thank You Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji: You had Ubedullah as your Senator, you know that? Ubedullah, who was the President of the Parliament there, Mr. Ubedullah. Hashim: Ubedullah? Shri Mataji: Ha, he’s got his Realization too. Hashim: Senator in the- Shri Mataji: He was a Senator. Hashim: In the UN. Shri Mataji: Yes and he was also President of the Parliament. I mean what you call that, the Chairman of the Parliament there. He got his Realization. Hashim: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: Hum? Hashim: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: What did You? Another Sahaja Yogi: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: He’s a very good man, I must say, very good man. Hashim: Yeah, the reason I asked this because being Malayry and controlling the country where the three races can be quite difficult. Shri Mataji: He knows all these problems, he knows that. He said: “The people are so ignorant here, so conditioned, ” So he says: “You can’t talk about it to anyone.” But the Chinese have come out. Chinese are taking to it and also some Indians, but more Chinese. But Indians which are abroad are like uprooted people and they have lost their capacity. Like I say that if you take a mango tree to London, it can’t produce mangoes, but it can’t even produce apples. That’s what happens to people who get uprooted, sometimes. [Laughter] But yesterday some Indians got it, some from the Indian High Commission, even from Pakistan. They got their Realization. Yesterday was quite a cosmopolitan and there were some Russians there. Six, seven from the Embassy. Now they are feeling very confident, Russians. I think they’ll come everywhere. Another Sahaja Yogi: I'm getting along with them [unsure] a bit more. Sahaja Yogi: They were very accessible, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Very good! Sahaja Yogi: The American Embassy was very difficult to get into. Shri Mataji: Ah! Sahaja Yogi:You had to press buzzers and ring numbers and you went round and round the switchboard with the telephone, we couldn’t communicate. Shri Mataji: Americans only are fond of fake gurus that’s all. But, you see, the Russian ambassador in Delhi came to see Me twice. I don’t know what’s gone wrong with Russians [Americans?]. Ego, I think too much ego. They only like people who pamper their ego, perhaps or I don’t know what they do. So many false gurus in America, so many of them. They have witchcraft, they have all kinds of things, all kinds of things. So violent, that country is so violent, it’s a demonocracy, cannot call it a democracy. You can’t go anywhere safe, it’s a very dangerous place and people shoot you for nothing. It’s a very bad place, America now. And it was very nice because when I went there first time, in ’69 I went there, it was a very clean, nice place. But now you find it’s so dirty and so different. It’s changed so much in this twenty years time, very much. No, thirty years isn’t it, ’69 means, oh, yes. Another Sahaja Yogi: ’69 is twenty years. Shri Mataji: Twenty years. Even London. I must say London was very bad. And now it’s coming up well. Sahaja Yogi: All fish back in the river. Shri Mataji: Yes, back in the river. Sahaja Yogi: All sort of things. Shri Mataji: Back in the river, fish. Now London is improving very much. But it had gone down so badly. First I went in ’65, then it was good. But the hippies' things have started and by the time it was ’70, I think, it was at the peak of the hippy era, where I picked up seven hippies. [Shri Mataji laughs] But now, people are getting sensible, sensible but. Sahaja Yogi: Not Mrs. Thatcher though. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogi: Not Mrs. Thatcher. Shri Mataji: Oh! [Laughter] I don’t know how they like her, she’s terrible. She bought all those conventional armament. I always used to say: “Why’s she buying, they’ll be useless.” And now the NATO has said that: “We’ll not allow these things to work out, these short-range missiles.” And she’s spent all the national money in that! So all this national money. She wouldn’t have the children maid, she wouldn’t have many public services like buses and all that. And national money was spent in buying those missiles and now NATO has said that it won’t be used. Sahaja Yogi: They said in the newspaper here Mother that the iron lady is starting to go rusty. [Shri Mataji laughs] I don’t know. I met her many a times. But on the table, she would ask Me: “Why Indians are so nice, they’re not so violent, Pakistanis are much more violent, why Muslims are more violent? ” Or she would ask: “How do You solve Your family problems, why don’t You have divorces? ” All these questions she asked Me. So, I thought, she’s trying to sort of praise the family life. She did also, she did. But, you see, just talking about it doesn’t work out. You have to do something about it. I think, she might learn a lesson, might be also. She has to be more humane and understand. But the way she has allowed also another thing, is to take away as much money as you like, from England cash, you can take. So all these black marketeers are sending their money out and this was very dangerous to do. Formerly, we could only take twenty-five pounds cash with us. Everything had to be in traveller’s cheques. But now anybody can take out any, as much as you like, cash money bags full. This is another thing she did, a wrong thing. So, all the money is now going out of London. One or two things she’s really committed big mistakes. All right, May God bless you. Alright, you take this [Shri Mataji's spectacles]. Another Sahaja Yogi: The shawl, Ann? [Unsure] Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Shri Mataji [To the interviewer]: Now you meet these people and master it yourself. It will help you very much in your radio programs also because you’ll emit vibrations. These communications are so helpful! You see, this is God has sent because you’ll emit your vibrations through it, it spreads all over. Man interviewer: Ok, I will go. [Shri Mataji is walking out the room]

Press Interview with "Canberra Times", Canberra, Australia, 20 March 1990. Shri Mataji: You ask them to bring My spectacles. Lady interviewer: Yeah, I, I came along for about now last night Shri Mataji: Little loudly. Lady interviewer: Oh, sorry. I came along for that now last night. There were just a few things that I want to clarify with You. – Umm, this is Your fifth time here in Australia, is it right? Shri Mataji: No, no. This is, I think, fourth time. Lady interviewer: Fourth time. Right. Shri Mataji: Yes. Lady interviewer: And how did you find last night, how did it go? Shri Mataji: For Canberra it’s very good, I must say. [Shri Mataji laughs] Lady interviewer: Yeah. More people than you thought of. Shri Mataji: Everywhere else much more. I think we must have had about one thousand two hundred or so in Sydney. Lady interviewer: Right, right, okay. Just a few things like on the health aspect You talking about I wonder if you could define your Creative Yoga a bit more for me. Shri Mataji: A little louder. Lady interviewer: I wonder if you could define your Creative Yoga a bit more. I was talking to a few people afterwards that time. [unclear] forms of yoga. I wonder if You could explain for me because I didn’t quite understand Your, Your actual philosophy. Shri Mataji: See, Sahaja Yoga, ‘saha’ means with, ‘ja’ means born, ‘yoga’ means union with the Divine Power. So, born with you, every human being, is the right to be united to this Divine Power which is a subtle power that governs this Universe, looks after all the living processes, evolutionary processes, balancing. This power nourishes as well as guides us and could be called as the Collective Unconscious, little narrow, but that’s what it is. So we have to be connected with it directly. Apart from it, it thinks, organizes and also it loves. So to get connected with it, is the last breakthrough of your evolution and that has to be achieved. So we become sages and this was known to many people thousands of years back. But it could not be achieved because people were not matured enough to receive it, perhaps. But in modern times, it is already prophesized that this is going to happen and this happening is taking place where human awareness gets connected with this power by which it achieves a new dimension of Collective Consciousness on their Central Nervous System. On our finger-tips we have the sympathetic nervous system endings, that's what doctors have gone into. Lady interviewer: Yeah, yeah, You explained that last night. Shri Mataji: Yeah. Lady interviewer: If You could just get away from that though, like, how do You actually practice the creative yoga? How do You teach people to practice? Shri Mataji: Oh! First of all you have to get connected, first of all. The – Lady interviewer: And how does that happen? Shri Mataji: That’s so spontaneous is, I give an analogy to make you understand that if you have a seed, you put it in the Mother Earth, it sprouts, it’s a living process or we can say that, if one light is enlightened, that can enlighten another light. So now supposing, I’m enlightened and if I enlighten you, you can enlighten another person. Lady interviewer: But how’re You going to enlighten me? Shri Mataji: Just if you put your hands towards Me, you can get enlightenment. So simple as that. [Shri Mataji laughs] And that works. You know, on a radio station in New Zealand, Gentleber [name unsure] is supposed to be Doctor of Philosophy and he was asking Me questions. He's quite a skeptical fellow. And suddenly, he started feeling the cool breeze on his hand. He said, he suddenly forgot what question he asked Me. He said: “Oh, look at this! What is happening to my hand! There’s a cool breeze, ” and then he said: “But not in my head.” So I gave him a little balance and raised his Kundalini, and then he said: “Yes, on my head, ” And then he said: “There’s a ball ball of Kundalini- a ball of cool breeze in my hand. Just a ball. See, there’s a ball in it.” And that’s all on the tape, you see. So it happened. And he said: “I’m the, I’m such a doubting person, I’m so skeptical, I never believe into these things how did I get it?” I said: “You were just ready for it, that’s all.” Lady interviewer: But how do you deal with, with people that are skeptical? I mean. Shri Mataji: How do you do? Lady interviewer: How do you deal with people that are skeptical of what You teach? Shri Mataji: I know how to answer them, that much I know. Lady interviewer: What if I say to You that I’m skeptical about it? How will You answer me? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes but you see what I’m saying is supposing whatever I am telling you, you must have an open mind. You must have an open mind of a scientist as think it to be a hypothesis for yourself. You need not accept Me because blind faith is not needed. Actually blind faith is more dangerous. If an atheist is there, it's better. Lady interviewer: More dangerous? Shri Mataji: Yes, because they are bound by that. They have some blind faith, they have their own concept about truth. So they’re more bound than the people who do not believe into anything. That’s what has happened in Russia. They are the ones who got it first. Lady interviewer: What you mean what that's ? Shri Mataji: Because they have no conditionings. They have no conditionings and so many got, thousands and settled down into it. Lady interviewer: How do you say that they had no conditionings? Shri Mataji: No conditionings of any kind. So if there’s blind faith it doesn’t work out so well. But if you keep your mind open like a scientist, then this is a hypothesis I put before you. So why not get it? Because you don’t have to pay, don’t have to do anything, it just works out. If that is your own power, why not get it? It’s sensible and logical, isn’t it? Lady interviewer: But how do You work out, how do You get it out of Yourself? Like there’s people that were last night what if they would have come away from there? Shri Mataji: Now they have come away, now we have a center here, luckily, in Canberra. They can come to the center – and these people are very well equipped, they can tell them. Lady interviewer: You have a Yoga center here in- Shri Mataji: Yes, we have. We have a very nice center here, and very nice people. Some have come from England and some are here. They can work it out. So there’s no problem on that. Lady interviewer: And the Yoga center that You’ve got here, how many people are involved in that? Shri Mataji: I'm very bad at accounts, I don’t know. [Shri Mataji laughs] Sahaja Yogi: Twenty, Mataji, about twenty. Shri Mataji: In Canberra we have the minimum number. Sahaja Yogi: We have regular programs. Shri Mataji: I’ve never been to Canberra before, this is the first time I’ve been. Lady interviewer: Here, You have not been to Canberra before? Shri Mataji: It's the first time in Canberra. Lady interviewer: And how did You do all this? Like You probably explained last night, but if you could just explain again how You actually came to Yoga or it came to You, like how You started on this, this journey of? Shri Mataji: How I started? Lady interviewer: Umm. Shri Mataji: I mean, I was born Realized, I should say. I knew all about this Myself but I knew also that I have to find out a method which will give enmasse Realization. Formerly, there used to be one or two people getting Realization, very few. But I knew that I have to work out some method. So, I studied the subtle problems that lies in every human being and I met many people like that. And I tried to find out what is the way one can work out that they can get enmasse Realization, you see, the permutations and combinations, if you can work it out. And then I discovered it’s not so difficult. On the 5th May 1970, the last center was opened out and that’s how it started working because that’s the only center is closed in human beings, the seventh one, which is here. And that opened out and I started working from 1970. I started with one lady. Lady interviewer: What do You mean You started with? Shri Mataji: Started means, I call, there was one lady who was interested in it. She came to Me and I worked on her. And it worked! Then we had twenty-five people more because, you see, as soon as somebody gets Realization, the news spreads. It’s a very big thing for Indians to get Realization, they think that’s the highest thing to have. So the news spread and so many people came. So first, I got one lady, then twenty-five of them. They all used to come to My house to begin with. And now, then I started moving about. My husband got elected to a job in London. He became the Secretary-general of International Maritime Organization in the U.N. So, I went to England and the work started in England and England being a circulation of all the countries, from England people started spreading out. And now we are working in forty nations, Sahaja Yoga. Lady interviewer: And You’re talking about the Russian situation. Shri Mataji:Yes. Lady interviewer: Do You feel that Your Creative Yoga has made them more happy and healthy or? Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. There’re two types of Russias. One type which is, I would not say, so evolved. They’re like dishwashers and sort of people who are taxi drivers or things like that. So they care more for, say, Russian cigarettes, American cigarettes and things like that. But the rest of Russians are very well-educated, very capable and very well-read and extremely wise. Lady interviewer: It seems to be a lot of them that are wanting to leave the country though if they’re so happy and healthy they – Shri Mataji: They’re not happy. Lady interviewer: They’re not? Shri Mataji: They are not happy because they said that they didn’t find their Spirit, this part of the - this area. And the rest of them, they are materialists, so they can never be happy. Anywhere in the world materialist can never be happy because materialism never gives you happiness. Materialism takes you from one matter to another. You go on jumping, as I told you yesterday: that it’s Economics. Lady interviewer: How do You, how do You do with that in a Western civilization like this which is based on materialistic possessions, I mean? Shri Mataji: You see, they, because they were put on the materialistic achievements, you see, that’s how the theory started there. And so they said no God, nothing, no religion, nothing of that. But they saw through it that materialism doesn’t give you joy. So they didn’t waste their time in politics, gossip, this, that nonsense. They were busy finding out where does lie the joy? And so they have read a lot and they know a lot. Somehow, they were just ready, I think. Must be some blessings . I don’t know what, [Shri Mataji laughs] how to explain really. Because so wonderful they are, very wonderful people. And this problem of this food and all that started by their modern bureaucrats. It’s not true that there’s no food. Food was there but the unhappiness came from the fact that they were seeking their Spirit. Lady interviewer: Seeking their Spirit? Shri Mataji: Their Spirit. You see, they were thinking, "joy is beyond". I have visited Russia before so there’s no inflation and no, you can say, problems of mugging or anything, no violence, very peaceful and sufficiently enough. Clothes: they wear very good clothes and there, everything is available at a very cheap price. Only thing they felt, they have no freedom within themselves to speak about everything. And that’s how they went inside their being, they became introverts, started finding out "what’s the matter", "what should we have". And that’s how they found out, I think, a state of mind which was just ready to get Realization. Lady interviewer: It seems with other forms of yoga they, it’s much more subtle, more private way of practicing yoga just seems that I can’t see what You teach people, as far as relaxation and the other forms of yoga is supposed to. Shri Mataji: No madam, this is the most open science. They have just like say, Transcendental meditation – is a horrible stuff. They just give you a mantra without telling you why this mantra, how this mantra according to age. And when I discovered they were funny mantras, in Sanskrit, they have no meaning. In our ordinary words, they said one was "Inga". "Inga" means "bite of a scorpion". "Pinga" means when a person gets possessed, the round and round it goes – a person goes round, that’s "Pinga". And "Thinga" means when you show your thumb to somebody, like this, when you show him down. So this sort of nonsense and for that people paid three, three hundred pounds for this! And for this another thing that they had is a "Sidhdhi Course" where they said: "You’ll be floating in the air." I don’t know what’s the need for doing that, but still. For that, I got the person who was running it, in Greenock in Scotland, Mr. Peter Pears. He, his wife, his daughter and his deputy director, all got epilepsy. They came to see Me and they told Me the whole story about it. Now, he’s writing a book what all had happened. And they had put all their money – he was a diamond merchant, his wife was a granddaughter of a duke, all the money to start this. And they were told that you have to make them jump on the foams, these people, and tell them: "This is the mantra they have to say and they will start floating." Gradually, they found out it’s all fake. And so they stopped sending money to them, gradually they and these people became broke. They had nothing left with them and he had to go back to South Africa because he was declared as a person, bankrupt. And now there are many cases running in America, saying that their bottoms are broken with the Sidhdhi course. And six thousand pounds they took from each person to go to Switzerland where they gave for six days, the water which has boiled potatoes. And the seventh day they gave them the rind to eat and the eighth day that potato. And said that: "You have to take this if you have to do the Sidhdhi course." And people accepted. There is a lady, who is a barrister, she did it, her sister did it – her sister ended up in a lunatic asylum. She came to Sahaja Yoga: now both of them are all right. Lady interviewer: Oh, with so many other like, people that have their own formulas about what’s, what’s good for you and what’s right for health, I mean, how do we know that Your way is any way better than anybody else? Shri Mataji: You see, the only way is to know, first of all, that you can’t pay for anything like that. First, as Christians, you should know because Christ never took any money. Nobody can pay for that. Of course now if I travel – first, in the beginning, I used to pay Myself. And now, of course, they are self-respecting people so they pay for My travel and also here say, supposing you take a hall, you can pay for the hall: they don’t pay Me but they pay for the hall or they pay to the travel agent. But you can’t pay for My lectures and you can’t pay for My work which I’m doing of Self-realization, you can’t pay because it’s a living process. You cannot pay for it. All these yogas are money-making propositions. Just money-making. 19:33 But this is the point which people go against Sahaja Yoga that: "How can it be without money?" They don’t want to accept that point. But in U.S.S.R. this is the point that hit them because they knew you cannot pay for living process. They came to Sahaja Yoga after reaching a certain maturity in it. So they just jumped at it. They understood it. But here, even you’ll be surprised, as I told yesterday, that in Boston they asked Me: “How many Rolls Royces You have?” I said: “How can I have Rolls Royces when I don’t take any money?” So they said: “We can’t understand Sahaja Yoga because it is no business.” Even in BBC London, you’ll be surprised. BBC London man came to see Me and he said: “Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money.” I said: “I’m sorry, I can’t make you understand, I will not go on your London BBC.” If that is the Anglo-Saxon brain, who has made it? Is it a special type? This kind of a queer idea that you have to pay for everything, I think it’s a subtle ego that you can purchase everyone, you can purchase your guru, you can purchase Christ also. And then they did sell Him, didn’t they? Lady interviewer: What about people that keep to the church? I mean obviously they – Shri Mataji: I mean, if they want to go to church I don’t want to stop them. But if they think they have not achieved anything in the church, they better come to Sahaja Yoga. Because Christ has said that: “You’re to be born again.” He has said: ”You have to seek yourself.” Lady interviewer: If You don’t charge for anything like when You are on Your tours, I mean obviously, You have to live on something. Shri Mataji: No, it’s My husband, he's very well paid. I don’t have to do. Lady interviewer: So, if You weren't married, if You weren't in that situation, how would You go about it then? Shri Mataji: Well, you see for such a person there’s always a provision. You should live with whatever you have. Now, see Christ, Christ was the son of a carpenter. If I was a poor person, I would have lived like a poor person. What does it matter? It’s nothing important. You have to seek the comfort of your Spirit and not of your body. Even now, where I come from a rich family from My father’s side also and from husband’s side but I can sleep anywhere, I can live anywhere, I can eat anything. I’ve no problem. Lady interviewer: Just coming back to the health aspect of – Shri Mataji: Umm? Lady interviewer: Just coming back to the health aspects of the yogis Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lady interviewer: Do you practice yoga Yourself? Shri Mataji: Oh, I need not. Lady interviewer: Sorry? Shri Mataji: No, I don’t practice anything because I’m just in it, I’ve everything. I’ve reached a stage where I don’t have to practice. Lady interviewer: But You’re talking last night about how it cures. Shri Mataji: Yes, Yes, yes. That's for you people? That, that curing works for you people because your Kundalini has to be risen. Lady interviewer: When the "what"? Sorry. Shri Mataji: Kundalini is the source or we can say is the power which gives you Self-realization. You were there yesterday or not, is the point? Lady interviewer: Yes, I was. Shri Mataji: Did you hear Me about the Sacrum bone? And there’s a power, that power is the Kundalini which has to rise. And when it rises, it nourishes your subtle center. It's your own power. Lady interviewer: What does Kundalini mean though? What is it? Shri Mataji: Kundalini is the, is an energy within you. Lady interviewer: And where does it get there from? Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon. Lady interviewer: Why is it called that, where does the name come from? Shri Mataji: Come from? It is placed there, in you, like, just like a connection, this one. This is to be connected to the mains, isn’t it ? Otherwise this doesn’t work. In the same way, it’s coiled up and kept in the triangular bone and it rises within you and once it rises, it pierces through this fontanel bone area and connects you to the All-Pervading Power about which I was telling you. And as a result of that, it passes through six subtle centers, it nourishes those centers, integrates them and that’s how automatically you get well. Lady interviewer: Did you have some questions? Man interviewer: I Think, [unclear] my way would have been different to you. Articles and newspaper, really. Lady interviewer: In a way. [Discussion between the two journalists] Shri Mataji: What’s he saying? Lady interviewer: I was asking, I didn’t want to monopolize the thing. Man interviewer: No, no, no, it’s good to hear story and my way is different cause we have a music program. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Little loudly. Man interviewer: We have a music program at 2XX community radio and the format is a little different to this interview. Shri Mataji: I can’t hear. You see, I’ve little difficult for hearing your Australian English. Man interviewer: I think the lady’s interview is a little different what we're actually after. Shri Mataji: Oh, I see. She's different. Man interviewer: Now our program is basically music. Shri Mataji: Hmm, hmm. Man interviewer: And I think, we have to more, to find out little bit more about more or less an introduction rather than this type of interview. Yes. Shri Mataji: These musicians [Nirmal Sangeet Sarita], all of them, are so young, you must have seen. And one is a blind fellow [Guruji]. And with Realization, they became so dynamic. So now, they want to play for Me and sing for Me because they got it, you see. And the one who has composed it was a chartered accountant [Babamama]. He never knew any Urdu or any- I mean, poetical language. But he’s become a poet. Lady interviewer: Okay, with that, that will do for me, I think so maybe. Thank You! Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. [Lady interviewer leaves the spot.] Shri Mataji: Yesterday you saw so many lifted their hands and said they got it. Man interviewer: No I was not there. Shri Mataji: So many were there, did you see that? Lady interviewer: No. Shri Mataji: You didn't see that part. Yesterday there were so many people- Man interviewer: The Realization session. Shri Mataji: who said they have got their Realization. I wish you could show her that, what happened yesterday so she will see that there were so many. I was surprised because bureaucrats are difficult. I’m sorry. Why don’t you come here? Man interviewer: Here I am. I think I should explain what we are about, how we have a community radio 2XX which is a public fund radio program Shri Mataji: Ha, ha. Man interviewer: A program’s covers all various things. Now, Hashim, I want to introduce Hashim here. He is a – he has a nightly, a Sunday night radio program of Indian music. Shri Mataji: I see. Man interviewer: And what I would actually like to ask You is more or less an introduction, so I can find out little bit more about You and who You are etc. I think I’ll almost find out. Shri Mataji: Introduction to this music? Man interviewer: Yes, sort of, that sort of thing. Shri Mataji: The music was – Man interviewer: No, no, not to music but just a sort of fit You in, to introduce our listeners to You, that sort of interview. Shri Mataji: I see. Man interviewer: So it’s not – Shri Mataji: So first I’ve to talk about, you want Me to talk about music? Man interviewer: No I would like to find out where You came from and that sort of thing, general interests because our listeners don’t know You at this stage. Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: You see, so I guess basically that's was all about. And I would say: "Welcome You to 2 XX" and have a bit of a talk where You born and under what signs and – Shri Mataji: All right, about Myself. Man interviewer: I believe, yes, I believe there was a significant sign which You're born under – and You born - Shri Mataji: It was on a Tropic of Cancer I was born. Man interviewer: Humm Shri Mataji: There’re very few places on Tropic of Cancer. One of them is Mecca. Man interviewer: There is some significance of the planets? Shri Mataji: Yes, planets are very much there. I was born on 21st March, equinox, 12 0’clock in the daytime. You know they have cast My horoscope also, suggestive of lots of things. Man interviewer: So can we sort of start this out by doing some sort of a production. Shri Mataji: Whenever you say. You can ask Me questions if you want. Man interviewer: Yeah. This is a Hashim. Hashim is the programmer I was telling. Hashim: Yes, I observed last night that the musicians assisted in making the atmosphere wonderful. Do You think that the music is important in making the Kundalini rise in meditation or in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Yes it’s a devotional music. And a musical, devotional music if is sung by people who are Realized souls, reaches your heart, reaches your Kundalini also and helps a lot to awaken them. So if there are – these are all Realized souls who were there, the dancer, everybody. The dancer was playing the rhythm and the rhythm is a Divine rhythm because she’s now become a Realized soul, she’s connected with the Divine. So when she dances, she creates a divine rhythm and when these people sing, they also sing a Divine devotion. Otherwise, without connection, if you sing the praise of God, it doesn’t reach God because you’re not connected like a telephone which is not connected. If you start telephoning, your telephone gets spoiled. So, for Devotion also, you should be connected with God. So as they are connected with the Divine, the music emits vibrations, what you call the divine vibration. As a result, it creates an atmosphere for people to receive their Realization. It becomes much easier for Me to give Realization because the atmosphere cleanse out, cleanses out and people also get ready for Realization. Because they are Realized souls, all of them are. So this is the reason why I was very happy they could manage to come. They are all professionals and they have agreed to come here and do it for a, just to help Me in Sahaja Yoga. And also you’ll be surprised that this music is very difficult, Indian music is a very difficult music. It’s not easy for people to sing unless and until you go into big practices. But is so amazing that when people get Realization, all these people who are Westerner people from forty countries, they all can sing these songs with same depth and with same understanding, without making any mistakes even in pronunciation. Otherwise, it is so difficult to pronounce Sanskrit! Even Indian languages, so difficult that they could not even pronounce one sentence properly. And now, the whole song, Sanskrit song, any song they sing so well. And if you close your eyes, you won’t believe that they’re foreigners who are singing, who have never known this language before. So something has gone dynamically new in them that they just pick it up and sing so well. Hashim: So would You consider that music has become part of the meditation like that? Shri Mataji: Of course, very much. Music is, is a divine gift to human beings, it’s a divine gift. We call it, it starts with Omkara, means the first word as that was, you call as "logos", you see. It starts with that. And that’s, that’s the proof of it. Because when they get their Realization, how is it they know such difficult language and such difficult tunes and so correctly that they can sing? It’s very surprising. So music is a very inner part, dancing, music, all art is very much connected with the Divine. Now, we have had many artists who have been Realized souls. We can say Michelangelo was a Realized soul and the way he painted earth, it emits vibrations. You see, if you see Mona Lisa done by Leonardo da Vinci, it has vibrations, it gives you vibrations. Those people who were Realized souls, like Mozart, when you play Mozart, you get vibrations out of it. You can feel them, on your finger-tips you can feel them. So there are musicians who are Realized souls. Also artists, also people like Abraham Lincoln was a Realized soul, Gorbachev is a Realized soul, he’s also a sage. So when these people are there, how will you make them out? As she was asking Me. You have to just put your hands towards them and you can feel it. Man interviewer: I think, basically we still getting back to 2 XX program. I really want to, more or less, interview You as a person who’s just coming in the studio and welcome You to the 2XX program. Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: And then just ask You – how Your birth etc. Shri Mataji: Yes all right. Man interviewer: Can we do that? Shri Mataji: All right. Man interviewer: From the start. Hashim, can we do that? Hashim: Yeah. Like you, I lost my glasses. Shri Mataji: Is it alright? Man interviewer: Yeah. Welcome to 2 XX Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I forgot the name, the right pronunciation. May I call You Mother? Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Man interviewer: Mother, You were born under a very unusual sign. Shri Mataji: Yeah. You say so Man interviewer: Could we? Shri Mataji: Yes. I was born in a place called Chhindwara which is on the Tropic of Cancer and it’s a hill-station. I was born in a family, which was in ancient times, was a royal family and they have a calendar also, which is even now used in India, in the Southern part of India, called as Shalivahanas. They ruled in a country now called as Maharashtra, also up to the Southern areas and also in the Northern areas. But later on, gradually it subsided because of certain earthquakes and certain floods that came in. Man interviewer: When did You actually start the Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: I started it in 1970, 5th May, the last center was opened out and that’s how I started after that, I should say. Man interviewer: Is the Sahaja Yoga based on Your experienced philosophy? Shri Mataji: Based on? Man interviewer: Your experienced philosophy. Shri Mataji: Yes, of course. We had Sahaja Yoga since long, thousands of years back people have written about it. That it is through "sahaj" only you get it. Don’t- "sahaj" also means "easy", by not doing anything, "sahaj" means spontaneous actually, in English language. So, you just get it spontaneously. But for that, you have to have a person who is authorized by the Divine and you must have the seeker of truth who should get it. So, it was only one or two persons used to get it. Patanjali Yoga, the whole thing, which is, now from which people have taken out Hatha yoga – they don’t do Hatha Yoga. Hatha Yoga is, "Ha" is the right side and "Tha" is the left side. Means, you have to have the working on both the sides, that is on your emotions as well as on your mental activities. So, it is not that way, it is- just works on one side, it is just a physical activity. So that is not, that’s just a wee part of the whole of Patanjali who wrote about it. He had written eight things about it and Sahaja Yoga is crossing all other things and comes to the stage where it is called "samadhi", means "awareness". It just works on awareness. So the modern Sahaja Yoga that I have started is a Sahaja Yoga in which we first, somehow or the other, give you Realization. So, you get into one more stage called as thoughtless awareness which is called as: "nirvichar samadhi". One that state is established you start seeing what’s wrong with you, yourself and then you start correcting yourself – I don’t have to tell you: "Don’t do this, don’t do that." You just start correcting yourself. Then, the second stage you achieve which is called as: "nirvikalpa samadhi" which is doubtless awareness because you become absolutely sure of yourself – that’s a state again you achieve. That’s how one achieves a very great state of spiritual ascent which Christ has said that: “You’re to be born again,” or “Know yourself”. With this, your hands start speaking as said by Koran that: “Your hands will speak,” and that you start feeling on the fingertips all the centers that you have within yourself, so you know about yourself – also you can feel the centers of others. But now, if you know how to decode them and to find out how to correct them, you can correct any center. Man interviewer: Yes. And You are doctor of medicine and psychology. Shri Mataji: No, I wouldn’t say that, because in I never practiced anything but I did study Medicine. Man interviewer: You did your studies, qualified. Shri Mataji: I studied medicine, I had to also study little bit of psychology because I had to talk to psychologist and I had to talk to doctors so I wanted to know their terminology, what it is. Man interviewer: And you also were born Christian? Shri Mataji: Yes, I was born in a Protestant Christian family. Man interviewer: Do You also practice that religion? Shri Mataji: No, I mean it’s all, this is real Christianity. Man interviewer: I see. So the yoga is actually a religion. Shri Mataji: Real Christianity because you get the actualization, your baptism. It’s nothing artificial in it. You know that Christ was the Son of God through only Sahaja Yoga because there is a center within you where you have an optic chiasma, in that resides Christ which is the cross. And because of His resurrection, we can resurrect, so it is the gate. And then Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: How did You receive the message to start the yoga? Shri Mataji: I knew all these things, I knew all this. Man interviewer: So it just didn’t come to You as a? Shri Mataji: No, it doesn’t come, it’s all there. Man interviewer: It has been with You all Your life right through. Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Right through Your life, it’s a, You’ve known that one day You would be doing this sort of a preaching or making this sort of movement similar to this. Shri Mataji: What is it? Man interviewer: All Your life You would more or less know that this would be- Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah. I knew. Only problem was, you see, I knew all about it, I knew that all religions are integrated. Christ has said that: “Those who are not against us are with us.” I knew all of them, everything I knew. But the problem was I didn’t want to talk about it, I didn’t want to do anything about it because I thought I must find out an en masse Realization method. Otherwise, you see, if you give Realization to one person, people get after that person. See everybody was tortured. Mohammad Sahib was given poison. Christ was crucified. Everybody was tortured, every saint was tortured. So I thought we should give it to so many people. We have to create a new race now of Realized souls, then they will understand. Man interviewer: But You still believe in God? Shri Mataji: Of course, God is there, without God nothing can be done. God is there, I’m just doing the work of God only. He wants you to enter into His Kingdom, I’m just working it out that you all enter into His Kingdom and enjoy Him. Of course. Man interviewer: Yeah well, wish You happy stay! Shri Mataji: I Beg your pardon? Man interviewer: I wish You happy stay! Shri Mataji: Thank you. Man interviewer: And I guess You’ll be back sometime. Shri Mataji: It should be. Man interviewer: Next year? Shri Mataji: I hope next year I’ll be here, I hope so and I’ll work it out. I’ve been working for so many years now, now I’m 67 years of age already and I hope some more years I would be able to spend to travel around. There’re so many nations I have to travel through all the time I’m traveling. Man interviewer: Thanks very much! Shri Mataji: Thank you. Is it alright? Man interviewer: Hmm. Shri Mataji: Little bit you’ll have to cut out because I couldn’t hear. You see, since yesterday My head has is little bit too much, has been going on everyday morning, evening and no rest, sleeping at 3 o’clock, getting up 5 o’clock. So it’s a little bit today My head is little bit wobbly, I should say Man interviewer: Thank you, madam, it's something similar to me, I 'm just trying to get over the wobble. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: The cold, yeah? Shri Mataji: Yeah, also I got cold because here women smoke so much and they smoked on My face, you see. So, smoking is so much here still, I mean, you must stop that. So much smoking. There’s something has happened, I don’t know if you’ll believe it or not. But I went down to Cairns and – Is she there, Kay? Sahaja Yogi: Just have a look if I can. Shri Mataji: Yes, just let her get. And they took Me down to that reef, you see, they were telling Me about these crown thorns [starfish Acanthaster] and things like that. We just went round, you see, must- the vibrations must have spread and suddenly they all have left now. They don’t know, mysteriously. They were eating all these corals. All of them have left suddenly. The paper it has appeared on the 17th. I was there on the 8th I reached there, 8th to 10th and we just went round and I was just- and in the area where we went, it has happened. Sahaja Yogi: Renown. Shri Mataji: Yes. Man interviewer: Would You say there was a miracle at all? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Would you call that a miracle? Shri Mataji: No it’s not a miracle because vibrations are there, you see, the Divine vibrations, they give a balance, they destroy all such things automatically. So, because I went there, the vibrations must have spread, I think so that must have happened. It has happened, so many things have happened. Have you got that thing? I want them to see. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, Shri Mataji. [The Yogini gives a copy]. Shri Mataji: Yes, please. So she came from Cairns and she brought it to show Me. But when we were coming from New Zealand they announced it as a big news in the airplane. that this is what has happened. Yes, thank you. Sahaja Yogini: This is from page at 9:30 pm. Shri Mataji: Also it helps, vibrations help your plants very much. There’s one gentleman called Dr. Hamid, he has solved the problem of acid rain, in Austria, by giving vibrations. All the trees which were below 60 years, all were saved and doing very well. So, he said we can solve that problem also. Also, agriculture can improve, many a time. We can use non-hybrid seeds, vibrate them and you can get tremendous effect of it. I have done that and we got beautiful rice in our house just in 1 acre I got, out of 60 kilos, I got 1400 kilos of rice. So, I mean, it just changes the whole atmosphere, everything changes. You saw that? Hashim: I have got to ask You one question for the radio show, Shri Mataji, would You give advice for the listeners of this program? Shri Mataji: You see, they can- Hashim: It can effect them? Shri Mataji: Yes, it can effect them. What they have to do, is to ask them to put their hands, when I’m speaking, both the hands towards the photograph, if they have. But if they don’t have the photograph, then they can just put it towards the radio, just towards the radio and they’ll get it, they should get it. If not once, twice, thrice they should try. If they tape it and they can again play it and put in their hands, they might get it. We tried that in Hong Kong, it worked, it did work. Because even what I speak, has vibrations. You see, they are vibrations: when you speak, when you’re Realized, you’ll also have vibrations. We’ve got photographs where all the Sahaja Yogis are sitting and on top of their heads is the light. There’re so many miraculous photographs that you won’t believe. You won’t believe that there’re such photographs are possible. We have any here, no? Sahaja Yogini: No, I've got one from Cairns. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogini: I've got one from Cairns. Shri Mataji: You’ve got one alright. Can you show them? We have so many photographs even that shows light in My hand. There’s a Moon in, at My feet. They’ve got in My heart light. There’s a light coming on My head. Well, all kinds! I mean there’s no end to it. But that we don’t show to anyone because nobody believes it. So only the Sahaja Yogis who have done the photographs, they know that this is theirs. Man interviewer: Very interesting. Shri Mataji: And even, even recently My, from My head, light is coming like this like a complete lotus. We have only one but we should have everywhere some photographs to show them. It would be a good idea but nobody would believe, I mean, you people seem to be quite receptive so you will believe it. But normally people don’t believe it. They believe in God but they don’t believe that God is miraculous. They believe in God, alright, there is God but they can’t believe that God would be miraculous, that’s the trouble, you see. It’s just their mental concept of God: “Oh, is there is God, we believe in God,” But what is that God is? He’s so Great! You could find one, did you? Sahaja Yogi: Unfortunately, a small boy got hold of it. It's a bit crumpled but You can see them. Shri Mataji: Which one? Oh! This is I’m standing in the sea, in the heart there’s light. Sahaja Yogi: It’s a little bit crinkled because George got hold of it. Man interviewer: Yeah. Sahaja Yogi: But, and it’s- there're scores of autographs like this. Shri Mataji: Ah, that's scores, really. Another Sahaja Yogi: I was talking to a German who has edited a lot of films on Shri Mataji. And he says that: “About every 200 frames there is a- they will get one frame that’s got light all over.” Shri Mataji: No, but these Russians when they took the photographs, you see, they did the filming, for 10 minutes they have got one. It's full of lights and that’s how they earned lot of money out of that in Russia. And they came all the way to do our- you remember this time. Another Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: All the way to India because they said: “We have never seen such a thing that without any organizing any lights or anything, how we got light from You coming this way, that way and that was all in the film.” So the Russians were very much impressed. Also, that has helped a lot for publicity. So they’re just waiting there for Me. In the West, I don’t know, we have, we think too much, I think we have, we have ideas and they’re not true. We must open our heads and see for ourselves whatever is the truth, we should accept because we talk of God, we’ll read Bible, alright, we’ll go to church this, that. But it’s so superficial, God is so deep! And once your depth is opened out, you can see all these things so clearly. He works, it’s not a myth. It’s not a myth. Man interviewer: Yeah, I think, we've gone half here. Shri Mataji: That’s why I said it is real Christianity. Man interviewer: Yeah, yeah. Shri Mataji: Ours is a Pauleen Christianity, Pauleen, Paul organized it. And so many have criticized. Khalil Gibran, I have seen, there’s another I wrote- I saw a book about Christ being in India and that gentleman has also criticized Pauleen Christianity. And also, so many of them have said this is not real Christianity and is all Pauleen Christianity. Shri Mataji: You've got something? Sahaja Yogini: this one? Shri Mataji: Yes, this one. This is in a village. These people have made it. Sahaja Yogini: It's Sahaj, Mataji. Shri Mataji: Where is it? Sahaja Yogini: On the boat coming back from Green Island. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogini: It was on the boat coming back from Green Island. Shri Mataji: Why is this all on My head ? Sahaja Yogini: [Inaudible]. Shri Mataji: That may, can be challenged but other things. There’s a light on My head. But there’s some more, must be. Sahaja Yogini: They’re getting them from [unclear]. Actually, there's one of You near the boat. There was no light there at all. There were people sitting there and that light is on top of Shri Mataji’s head. And you can't see them, it's just that light coming. Shri Mataji: You see, when one should doubt, one can go on doubting. No end to it. But if you believe in God then God is a miracle, no doubt. But the miracles are not like this that the chair moves from here to there or you get something in your hand, that’s not the miracle. God is not interested in all these things; or you jump in the air. What’s the use? All these funny ideas especially this TM is the most dangerous one. Yesterday, we had somebody from TM, two of them. Absolutely, they couldn’t get Realization and they end up as epileptic people. There is no criticism of TM here? Some must have done. Man interviewer: Umm, I think basically it’s all over the world. Shri Mataji: Everybody is afraid? Man interviewer: Yeah, I think so. Shri Mataji: I am not afraid. They have never, you see, I have been openly telling about them from 1970. Nobody has challenged Me, nobody has said anything. Sahaja Yogi: In Canberra, Mother, there are selling themselves stress managers to all the public servants and they will or they went to the public servants by giving lectures on stress management. And the government supports it by allowing people to go along. The same way they try to get into the health system in England. But the doctors threw them out because they knew that they were frauds in England. Shri Mataji: But you see, they’ll discover it in no time. It happened also in London, people have discovered it. Now they’re not allowed to do anything there. So now they have started a new theme that they’ll do Ayurveda, herbal medicines. And- but for Ayurveda why do you want to go to them? You can go directly to Ayurveda. It’s all money-making proposition, that’s all. He has crores and crores of Rupees in India. I don’t know how people believe him. Man interviewer: Do You have any target at all? Shri Mataji: I have any? Man interviewer: Target. Are You so trying to develop everybody into – Shri Mataji: What is that? Another Sahaja Yogi: Do You have a target? Are You trying to get a certain number of people in a certain amount of time? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: I mean, whatever of the target in the Bible, we have already crossed it. Man interviewer: So You’re not trying to bring – Shri Mataji: No, unlimited. Man interviewer: Everybody? Man interviewer: So You’re not trying to bring – Shri Mataji: No, no. No. But according to John, I think, the target is over now. So now, we have to think about something unlimited. I think the Divine is anxious to get more and more people into it. He’s said it. He said 144 thousand. But we have crossed that limit definitely. Man interviewer: Yeah, well I think [inaudible] But one must hurry up, I think. [Shri Mataji laughs] But you see, they go to these gurus and things get so mesmerized, they can’t leave it and they also deal in the same way like this is bargain, you see: "Now make it cheaper for you, do this, do that" and people agree to such a thing. They play these tricks just like our salesmen do, they play some tricks: "Alright now, this is a bargain price if you want, we’ll charge you half, this that. That way" And people are really mad that they run into it and when they suffer, then they say: “No, no that’s not our responsibility, you’re no good. Because you’re so bad, you’re sinful, that’s why you didn’t get it.” No responsibility. The laws are so funny but if you give somebody some money wilfully, nobody can challenge it: "Why did you give?" It’s cheating, complete cheating. There’s one lady, she calls herself by Chidwilasananda, she’s a illigitimate daughter of Muktananda. She comes, she puts laser beam and comes with a wand, you know, goes round like this and she mesmerizes people, people just get really so sick with her. Once they have been to her, they get sick. And she came to Canada before I went there. And then people challenged that: “Why did you not get income-tax from her.” They said: “No, she, she came as an entertainer.” And there’s a law – they know all the loop-holes of the law – there’s a law in Canada that somebody comes as an entertainer, he’ll not be charged income-tax. So, they know all these things, they work it out that way. It’s a big racket and they never talk ill about each other. As Christ has said: “They will not talk against their own house.” Satan will not. They never talk. Nobody will say that this is wrong. “Oh, that’s good, this is good, that good.” Like this Chinmoy also – same fellow, same type. There’s big bribes he gave to people in UN, got into UN and I don’t know what he’s doing. So many of them, I feel ashamed because I’m also an Indian. But this kind of cheating they have done to ruin so many people, I feel very sorry for it. But also, people are also gullible and vulnerable. Already Christ has described about the fake people, everybody has described. In India also they have described about it. But I don’t know, still, people take to them so easily, they’re so gullible. Man interviewer: I find most people want a sign of some sort, some sort of a ritual- Shri Mataji: They have no signs, nothing. Signs are – those who go to them are sick, they get cancer, they get all troubles. You see, what is the sign? They have no sign just, what signs they have like, they advertise very well, they have money to advertise or they make a big, what you call gimmick, some tricks – that’s all. – Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: It’s absolutely one thing is said that: “The one who makes you get to God or the one who gives you Realization, is the only one who is a real master.” It’s said so clearly. But, they will never say: "We'll give you Realization." Never! That point they always miss out. And somebody says: "You give me Realization" They say: "You’re not capable, you’re useless.” They never say that: "We can give you Realization." And so many people have now come to us who went to drugs because of them. AIDS – this TM gives AIDS also. All the people actually, so far, who came to us were doing TM who got AIDS. Because they started a new sort of a nonsense that men and women should not see each other, so they were kept in two compartments. Naturally, they developed all these bad habits and they got AIDS. These two persons who came to us even in Perth had done TM. Sahaja Yogi: [Unclear] Shri Mataji: So I think, if you are homosexual plus you go to these TM or anything, it triggers it. You got them somehow [Shri Mataji laughs] Sahaja Yogi: Ah yes, I got them tonight. That’s the whole series. We have to get them all. Shri Mataji: It's the first one we had in a village. Sahaja Yogi: That’s an amazing one at [unclear.] Shri Mataji: This is a New Zealand girl, Cheryl, who did it. Now she is in Melbourne. Sahaja Yogini: I was sitting next to her when she took it. Shri Mataji: Really? And all of you took photographs, nobody got it, it’s only she. Sahaja Yogini: I wasn’t taking photographs but I remember the day it because it was overcast. And there was nothing above You, no awning or anything. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: In that village what do you get. Sahaja Yogini: It was a cloudy day so there was no sunshine in the day, cause I was sitting there. Completely overcast day. And this aura. Shri Mataji: And when I stopped it. Sahaja Yogini: Yes, no doubt. Shri Mataji: Very well done, this one is! It was an old village school, that’s all. Sahaja Yogini: Yes. This is this enough picture? Have they enough? Shri Mataji: I was saying, now stop it now. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man interviewer: Do these apparitions actually appear on Your person? Shri Mataji: Yes, on Me. Just some play of lights This one is also, I was going on a bullock-cart and suddenly this thing came up. Shield the whole thing completely. Sahaja Yogi: Camera picks it up. Another Sahaja Yogi: Only photographic. Shri Mataji: Cameras are wonderful, I must say. Ordinary camera, even an ordinary camera sometimes gets it. Depends on the person, I think. Like, we were sitting in Calcutta and there was a lady, she said: “Mother, I want one miraculous photograph.” And she got a Sun and the Moon behind My head. And there are others, so many others have taken photographs, there’s nothing, only she has got it. So, it's just, I think, the person it depends on or the camera acts accordingly. Just imagine, a camera, which is an ordinary camera, gets these things. Man interviewer: How do You explain it? Do You consider that You have some unusual power at all? Shri Mataji: You see, if you are that, you don’t feel anything about it. If you’re not, then people think, like: "The Sun is there, so what? Sun has got its own powers. So what? Nothing so great!" If I’ve got My own powers, it’s alright but if you achieve it, then that’s something great about it. Man interviewer: I see, so already it's Your power not an attracted power. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: It is Your power not an attracted power Shri Mataji: Not what power? Man interviewer: An attracted power, power that’s attracted to You. Shri Mataji: Attracted? Another Sahaja Yogi: Is Your power, it’s not something You’re attracting to You? Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no, I just emit, I just emit. I don’t attract any power. I just- ah, of course, I mean, supposing you have some troubles or something, that I absorb within Myself, but I don’t attract any power, I just emit. Man interviewer: So You consider that light it’s actually coming from You rather than coming towards You? Shri Mataji: This is what is the Divine light which is trying to convince you people [Shri Mataji laughs] Just to convince you, I think. Man interviewer: Yeah. Sahaja Yogi: Try its tricks. Man interviewer: Very interesting, yeah. Shri Mataji: So many, I mean, if you see, they will be surprised. Sahaja Yogini: This is so like the pictures of you see in the Bible of Christ with the Grace coming down. Shri Mataji: Ah, when He was praying in the Gethsemane, yes. Sahaja Yogini: Yeah Shri Mataji: In the garden, they show it. Now, some people did conceive it because I’ve seen also some of the very old paintings where the Christians are standing like this [with open hands], the disciples of Christ and they are putting their hands like this and there’s a light on their head. I’ve seen it. Now, I’ve also seen some paintings with the light on the heart of Christ. I’ve seen such paintings. So, I think, in their unconscious, they saw all these things and they have painted it, yes. Also in the sky! Sahaja Yogi: Yes, in the sky. Shri Mataji: Just tell them about that. Another Sahaja Yogi: There has been, no one gets one here but there is a cloud pattern in particular which is- you can actually see without any imagination, you can see Shri Mataji’s face and all that. Shri Mataji: That time I used to wear a diamond thing inside [the nose] and even My teeth and the gap between the teeth, everything is so visible into that. It’s- they saw it in the sky. First, you see, the sky became very luminous and there was one- one cloud became very luminous and the thread started coming out of that and then they weaved this thing. So, they just took the photograph and it turned out to be My photographs – two photographs. One is with that and one is where I look like a Red Indian sort, that is also. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Ganesha Shri Mataji: Yes, that that’s the one, the first one started with. But later on these two photographs came in out of that pattern. That’s how they got attracted otherwise nobody takes the photograph of the sky. So, first to make them feel attracted, you see, this luminous thing came in and it started weaving this. And then they took the photograph, it was My photograph. And in the village there’s no question of this happening, you know, in a village – just took the photograph, it came out like that. Man interviewer: So the interesting thing about the film editor is, the film is going through eighteen frames a second, or twenty-four frames a second. Another Sahaja Yogi: About twenty-five, I think. Man interviewer: Yeah, twenty-four. Now that means, that perhaps, that light is showing for 1/24th of a second. We just simply can’t see that. Shri Mataji: And that’s how if somebody catches that, you get it. Man interviewer: That's right, on a camera. Shri Mataji: Yes, must be that. That, that split of a second, some people catch it and they get it. I know, I mean I know this is all happening, I know, I see Myself but the people don’t see. But after Realization, definitely, you see two things: one thing you see those commas, shining commas in the sky, that is the vibrations. And also you see looped round, round things looped like that in the sky. They always used to ask Me. I said: "These are dead souls." Now, they have discovered. I said: "The soul is on your back in seven loops and it manifests. It’s a reflection, on every cell, there’s a receptor." So now they have discovered that every cell has a receptor which has got something which has got seven loops, they can’t explain. And that, the picture of that is exactly what you see in the sky. Even to talk about dead soul is a very difficult thing in the West. They don’t want to believe into anything. Whatever is discovered through science, they want to believe. But this science has no humanity, it has no art, it is so dry! Science is a wee part of the knowledge. We have to know so many other things. This is how they have discovered now and thank God, those pictures He has sent to Me, exactly what you see. So also it gives you a future plan in which direction to move for scientific approach. Now there are three doctors who have got MD in India because they have seen on twenty-five to thirty patients how Sahaja Yoga acts and cures them. Psychosomatic also, which is the most difficult area, psychosomatic. AIDS, all these incurable diseases come from that. Man interviewer: How would You suggest we cure these? Shri Mataji: Can you get a thing from My [Shri Mataji coughs] Another Sahaja Yogi: Want lozenge, Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: Yeah, in the vanity. It’s too much now. I don’t know how they smoke so much. Man interviewer: You might be suffering from some – Shri Mataji: And still continue to live. Man interviewer: sort of Hay fever, I think, that’s quite common. Shri Mataji: Very dangerous! Yes, better have some Strepsil will do this Another Sahaja Yogi: It’s only one Strepsil. Shri Mataji: It’s alright, it’s alright. It’s alright. Another Sahaja Yogi: Too much talking. Shri Mataji: Ah, also these three musicians had, they got it from smokers but they don’t smoke at all, you see. And then I was curing them. And also smoking, I mean, is, is a mess. We pay money to spoil our throats. [Shri Mataji laughs] But with this, smoking goes away, drugs go away, all bad habits. We become such a balanced person. So many are wasteful habits, you see, and so many are so destructive. Like this Grand Prix that they have, what is the need to do that madness? And already the people are getting so speedy, children are getting so speedy. There are diseases, like, now a new disease which I had announced about. I had told about the AIDS also about five, six years back, about eight years back I had told them. And I told about this new disease, Yuppies disease about three years back. You saw that that lady had it? Another Sahaja Yogi: Yes Shri Mataji: Where you, you become, you do everything unconsciously. But when you become conscious you can’t do it. Now, if you want to get up, you can walk off. But if you think: “I have to walk,” you can’t. The conscious mind has become so weak. This is Yuppies disease. Another Sahaja Yogi: It was very interesting because it was like this. I said to her: "Pick that up." And she will get hold of it and her hand would shake and she put it down. But if you just hand it to her, she takes it. [Shri Mataji laughs] It’s funny! But I told about this. Because too much of futuristic ideas, too much of speed, you see, human-beings can’t bear certain speeds and the speed is so much gone into our being that our conscious mind has become weak. It's very common in America, this disease, even in London. And doctors are treating now 3, 4 with Sahaja Yoga. Also, doctors are little bit frightened about Sahaja Yoga because it cures people so they think what will happen to us, to our practices, you see? They’re little worried but there’re so many patients, they need not worry at all. Only those who come to Sahaja Yoga and get their Kundalini awakened, get all right. Everybody is not going to be all right. So they shouldn’t worry that they will lose their practice. Man interviewer: Should we worry about the environmental law, can You help the? Shri Mataji: No, if you get Realization, you shouldn’t worry about that also. Because if you get your Realization, what happens, a balance is established within you. Then you don’t go into imbalances. Actually, our imbalance has brought forth this imbalance outside. Man interviewer: I see. Shri Mataji: If human-beings get balance, there won’t be anything. The amount of things we create, there’s no need. And the machines are for us, we are not for the machines, we have become slaves of machines now. There’s no need to have so many machines. It should be in balance, whatever we need, that much. They have created mountains and mountains of plastics in America, mountains! Also here I see so many cars, you see, just lying - as I don’t know what you call them and they are not reconverted into cars or something. Just these cars which are broken down, so many cars in Australia. Man interviewer: Yes. Shri Mataji: They should be reconverted. Man interviewer: Recycled. Shri Mataji: Ah. But one Sahaja Yogi was saying that he’s found out a method by which he can make these toxic things into stones. I said, very good idea if you can make that then at least the toxic fumes may get into stones, you see, and these stones can be used for anything, pavement, anything. But he’s not been given so much recognition, so far by the government. Government should take it up seriously. Man interviewer: I think, basically that wouldn’t be much of a good idea, I guess because – Shri Mataji: Unnh? Man interviewer: Toxic stones are still- Shri Mataji: Very good idea. But they are not paying any attention that’s what he told Me, this gentleman. What’s his name? You saw him in- Another Sahaja Yogi: Perry Corden [unsure]. I think it's Perry Corden, is it? Sahaja Yogi: Did you call Mother? Another Sahaja Yogi: The toxins were actually burned off and they just, they locked in– Man interviewer: Destroyed actually, the toxins. Another Sahaja Yogi: Yeah. So there’s no, there’s no [unclear] Sahaja Yogi: It's apparently by burning of the toxins so it ends up with a type of a hard substance like a stone. Shri Mataji: Also they have discovered this Solar energy business but is not so easily available to people Solar energy should be much more easily available. It’s so expensive to install that nobody in India wants to use it. We have so much of Solar energy. If they could make it cheaper, we won’t have any energy problem in our country. Another Sahaja Yogi: They are working a lot on that here Shri Mataji. They’ve got a whole town, now in New South Wales that uses Solar power. Shri Mataji: It’s true but, you see, you can afford to pay so much, not, Indians, can’t. They are still experimenting. Shri Mataji: Still experimenting. Sahaja Yogi: I think, a few companies also try to slow the research because they lose money through allowing Solar power to get to home. Man interviewer: I believe that BP, British Petroleum is it?- are the leaders in Solar Power at this stage. And Australia has quite a significant Shri Mataji: Really? Man interviewer: Yes, one of the topmost firms. Shri Mataji: But it should go to the poor countries, you see, where there is so much of sun. It can solve their problem. It should be available at a price that they can afford. I tried to make it for our house ‘Pratishthan’ but it costs you more than having about 30 heaters in the house. So I mean, nobody would do it. Another Sahaja Yogi: Now they still haven’t really got a good Solar collector – they’re still trying to find one. Shri Mataji: That’s, that’s I was saying so. They haven’t got something like that. Man interviewer: Yes, it’s very inefficient. Shri Mataji: It could be liquidified, you see, supposing somehow or other. If you can bring it to the liquid state then it can be used much better. This research must come from Australia, must come, because they have lot of Solar energy here. Otherwise, in England they don’t have , I mean, the Western countries don’t have much of Solar energy except for your country. And they should go into it deeply and they can work it out. I think, just they should think about it, they can help a lot. Instead of giving money to poor countries, better give them such inventions. Man interviewer: Yeah, they don’t seem to utilize the money in the right way, do they? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: It’s quite a waste ! [Shri Mataji laughs] If they stop elections, it will be a good idea, for some time. [Shri Mataji laughs] Today I was reading newspaper, there’s nothing but elections. I said: “What about some news about other people?” Nothing. It’s all election, election, election. Man interviewer: Yeah, I guess we will have to wait until – Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Next week or week after. Shri Mataji: Next week, yes. That’s My birthday. Another Sahaja Yogi: Tomorrow. Shri Mataji: Hum? Another Sahaja Yogi: Tomorrow. Shri Mataji: That’s it, tomorrow. Let’s see. Man interviewer: Yeah, I guess we have enough. Shri Mataji: It will help young people very much because they can be saved from drugs, that’s the point is and it’s a big attack. I’m told now that area of Colombia is getting nervous and they’re going towards Spain, quite a lot, and from Spain is diverted directly to Australia. So you’re under attack. And when it comes here, I mean, you can’t stop it. England is, of course, is quite into it, no doubt, in a very bad shape. They have put the military now to stop it. But they can’t. They have so many harbors, so many things, it’s very difficult. Because Amsterdam, they have allowed it, it’s a legal thing in Amsterdam. So it comes to Amsterdam and from there London is so close, you know. You can come by so many ways. That’s a very dangerous, dangerous thing they have done in Amsterdam – is to allow it. Sahaja Yogi: Young people are so susceptible to it because there it is disillusion. Shri Mataji: Because you are under tensions, you see, and you want to escape. You want to escape reality because reality as you see, is so, so full of tensions and full of worries and full of sort of a fear. So to escape that people take to it . But if they come to Sahaja Yoga they know that reality is beautiful, then they don’t have to escape anything. So many have been saved in England, he knows very well, out of drugs, so many. But Sahaja Yoga must be accepted by governments, then only it will work out faster. The government is very slow. They have to have a regular sort of an organization which should come to you with lots of advertisements and money and this. That we don’t do, that’s the only problem. Another Sahaja Yogi: I have a daughter who stopped using heroin in three weeks. Stopped. Shri Mataji: Smoking they stop overnight, so many. There was only one girl who said, “Mother, still I smoke little bit.” The other day she gave up, now she’s alright. Another Sahaja Yogi: She’s had a big problem with that. Shri Mataji: You don’t have to say prohibition or anything, yes. They don’t also drink at all, they’re very happy, healthy, nothing wrong with them. They don’t even drink. Imagine in England people have stopped drinking, can you believe it? Where the pubs open at 6 0′clock in the morning. Man interviewer: Yeah, I think, there are a few places in Canberra and Sydney which open pretty early too. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: I think, there’s a few places around in Australia that open pretty early too. Shri Mataji: But it happens automatically, you don’t have to tell yourself or anything, just happens. You just become a different personality, it just happens to you. Nothing can dominate you. Man interviewer: You don’t do it yourself. Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: It just happens. Shri Mataji: Just happens. You become like that, like a saint, you see. You just don’t drink, you don’t like it, finished. Man interviewer: Do You consider Yourself a saint? Shri Mataji: Do You? Man interviewer: Do You consider Yourself a saint? Shri Mataji: I don’t know, I don’t want to put Myself into any category, into any category whatsoever. Because you see, when you tell about Yourself, is dangerous these days. Even before, like Christ said the greatest truth that He was the Son of God, no doubt about it, but they crucified Him. So I want to live for some time. Man interviewer: So, You’re quite happy with Your followers calling You saint? Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: You’re quite happy with Your followers considering that You like considering and explaining to other people that You are saint. Shri Mataji: I don’t say that. These people call Me saint, everything. I don’t say anything about Myself because I say: “You come to Sahaja Yoga, get your light and know Me.” It's better. Another Sahaja Yogi: I think perhaps, the answer to your question, lies in another question: “What is a saint?” Man interviewer: Yeah, that’s true. Shri Mataji: He asked? Another Sahaja Yogi: Now what is a saint Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: I mean what is a saint is the one who is, who is connected with the Divine, is the saint. Simple thing as that. That I am, but I am much more than that. Man interviewer: What is Your relationship with God? Shri Mataji: With whom? Man interviewer: With God? Shri Mataji: Gandhi? Another Sahaja Yogi: With God? Shri Mataji: With God. [Shri Mataji laughs] Man interviewer: What is Your relationship? Shri Mataji: Quite close. [Big laughter] Quite close, but it’s better that people should find it out after getting the light, so they believe in it. No use, just now, saying: "I’m this, I’m that. " It's not proper because human-beings don’t like it, their ego gets challenged: "Why You?" They also ask Me: "Why You should give Realization?" I said: "You'd better do it, I’ll retire, very good. If you can do it, well do it." Yeah. So it’s, that’s why it’s better to be on the quiet, let them find out. Gradually, they do find out. Man interviewer: And do You see some successor following You when You die at all? Shri Mataji: Successor? Man interviewer: Yeah, do You have a successor? Shri Mataji: No, no, not yet. That’s all spontaneously we work out, I’m sure. I don’t have to do that. There’s nothing like successor or all that. They’re all Realized souls, all of them are successors. Man interviewer: I see. Shri Mataji: Yes. There’s not one single person. That’s My father’s photograph. Show him. He was also a Realized soul. And he was a great Nationalist who sacrificed everything for Indian freedom and he was jailed. My mother also, she was Honors of Mathematics, she also went to jail. All our family sacrificed. This is during Your – Shri Mataji: I beg your pardon? Man interviewer: Freedom. Fight for freedom. Shri Mataji: Yeah. Then he changed his cap and everything but he was an advocate, he was a lawyer. Man interviewer: Yes. Shri Mataji: So I come from a family of that kind which was very enlightened and very sort of sacrificing, very devoted to India, Indian struggle of life, struggle of Independence. I was with Gandhiji also from My childhood. I met very nice people in India. Those were the days where very nice people came up and now as soon as we got our independence, all the selfish people are there to take seats in the Parliament. Man interviewer: Do You have any prophecies in relation to how India will- Shri Mataji: Not yet, but maybe later, why not? Man interviewer: Not yet. Shri Mataji: Because prophecies then take your attention to future so is best is to do your work – and it just expands gradually. Man interviewer: I see. Yeah, I think we – Shri Mataji: Alright? Man interviewer: Yeah. Another Sahaja Yogi: You would not like to stop, isn't it? Man interviewer: Pardon? Another Sahaja Yogi: You would not like to stop. Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: He’s going into thoughtless awareness himself. Now, you just put your hands like this, you’ll get your Realization, no doubt. Put your both the feet separate from each other. Just see on his head, he’s got it already. Feeling the cool breeze? [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: You got it. Yeah. Man interviewer: Yeah. Shri Mataji: That’s it. What about you [Hashim]? Just put your hands like this. You really relaxed. You got it too, it’s there. And this is the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Ah! It’s better now? That’s the silence within yourself you feel it. Alright, so may God bless you! Man interviewer: Yes, it has been very interesting! Shri Mataji: Very nice meeting you, very nice meeting you. Man interviewer: I hope You have a good stay and You come again sometime. Shri Mataji: Alright, thank you very much. Man interviewer: Take care. Shri Mataji: Thank you for this, thank you. Man interviewer: Bye-bye. Another Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, would You like a cup of tea? Shri Mataji: I think, I’ll go inside first. Man interviewer: [Sounds like I hope it was not boring] Sahaja Yogi: I’m sure it wasn’t. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: [To Hashim] Namastey. Come here. He’s from what country you said? Hashim: Malaysia. Shri Mataji: Malaysia, ah! Hashim: Thank You. Shri Mataji: Malaysia. Malaysia we have a very good center now and mostly Chinese, mostly Chinese are coming. Hashim: I’ve not been home for thirteen years. Shri Mataji: Yeah, really? You’ve been here, annh? Good. Hashim: For that long [inaudible.] Thank You Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji: You had Ubedullah as your Senator, you know that? Ubedullah, who was the President of the Parliament there, Mr. Ubedullah. Hashim: Ubedullah? Shri Mataji: Ha, he’s got his Realization too. Hashim: Senator in the- Shri Mataji: He was a Senator. Hashim: In the UN. Shri Mataji: Yes and he was also President of the Parliament. I mean what you call that, the Chairman of the Parliament there. He got his Realization. Hashim: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: Hum? Hashim: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: What did You? Another Sahaja Yogi: What do You think of him? Shri Mataji: He’s a very good man, I must say, very good man. Hashim: Yeah, the reason I asked this because being Malayry and controlling the country where the three races can be quite difficult. Shri Mataji: He knows all these problems, he knows that. He said: “The people are so ignorant here, so conditioned, ” So he says: “You can’t talk about it to anyone.” But the Chinese have come out. Chinese are taking to it and also some Indians, but more Chinese. But Indians which are abroad are like uprooted people and they have lost their capacity. Like I say that if you take a mango tree to London, it can’t produce mangoes, but it can’t even produce apples. That’s what happens to people who get uprooted, sometimes. [Laughter] But yesterday some Indians got it, some from the Indian High Commission, even from Pakistan. They got their Realization. Yesterday was quite a cosmopolitan and there were some Russians there. Six, seven from the Embassy. Now they are feeling very confident, Russians. I think they’ll come everywhere. Another Sahaja Yogi: I'm getting along with them [unsure] a bit more. Sahaja Yogi: They were very accessible, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Very good! Sahaja Yogi: The American Embassy was very difficult to get into. Shri Mataji: Ah! Sahaja Yogi:You had to press buzzers and ring numbers and you went round and round the switchboard with the telephone, we couldn’t communicate. Shri Mataji: Americans only are fond of fake gurus that’s all. But, you see, the Russian ambassador in Delhi came to see Me twice. I don’t know what’s gone wrong with Russians [Americans?]. Ego, I think too much ego. They only like people who pamper their ego, perhaps or I don’t know what they do. So many false gurus in America, so many of them. They have witchcraft, they have all kinds of things, all kinds of things. So violent, that country is so violent, it’s a demonocracy, cannot call it a democracy. You can’t go anywhere safe, it’s a very dangerous place and people shoot you for nothing. It’s a very bad place, America now. And it was very nice because when I went there first time, in ’69 I went there, it was a very clean, nice place. But now you find it’s so dirty and so different. It’s changed so much in this twenty years time, very much. No, thirty years isn’t it, ’69 means, oh, yes. Another Sahaja Yogi: ’69 is twenty years. Shri Mataji: Twenty years. Even London. I must say London was very bad. And now it’s coming up well. Sahaja Yogi: All fish back in the river. Shri Mataji: Yes, back in the river. Sahaja Yogi: All sort of things. Shri Mataji: Back in the river, fish. Now London is improving very much. But it had gone down so badly. First I went in ’65, then it was good. But the hippies' things have started and by the time it was ’70, I think, it was at the peak of the hippy era, where I picked up seven hippies. [Shri Mataji laughs] But now, people are getting sensible, sensible but. Sahaja Yogi: Not Mrs. Thatcher though. Shri Mataji: Hum? Sahaja Yogi: Not Mrs. Thatcher. Shri Mataji: Oh! [Laughter] I don’t know how they like her, she’s terrible. She bought all those conventional armament. I always used to say: “Why’s she buying, they’ll be useless.” And now the NATO has said that: “We’ll not allow these things to work out, these short-range missiles.” And she’s spent all the national money in that! So all this national money. She wouldn’t have the children maid, she wouldn’t have many public services like buses and all that. And national money was spent in buying those missiles and now NATO has said that it won’t be used. Sahaja Yogi: They said in the newspaper here Mother that the iron lady is starting to go rusty. [Shri Mataji laughs] I don’t know. I met her many a times. But on the table, she would ask Me: “Why Indians are so nice, they’re not so violent, Pakistanis are much more violent, why Muslims are more violent? ” Or she would ask: “How do You solve Your family problems, why don’t You have divorces? ” All these questions she asked Me. So, I thought, she’s trying to sort of praise the family life. She did also, she did. But, you see, just talking about it doesn’t work out. You have to do something about it. I think, she might learn a lesson, might be also. She has to be more humane and understand. But the way she has allowed also another thing, is to take away as much money as you like, from England cash, you can take. So all these black marketeers are sending their money out and this was very dangerous to do. Formerly, we could only take twenty-five pounds cash with us. Everything had to be in traveller’s cheques. But now anybody can take out any, as much as you like, cash money bags full. This is another thing she did, a wrong thing. So, all the money is now going out of London. One or two things she’s really committed big mistakes. All right, May God bless you. Alright, you take this [Shri Mataji's spectacles]. Another Sahaja Yogi: The shawl, Ann? [Unsure] Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Shri Mataji [To the interviewer]: Now you meet these people and master it yourself. It will help you very much in your radio programs also because you’ll emit vibrations. These communications are so helpful! You see, this is God has sent because you’ll emit your vibrations through it, it spreads all over. Man interviewer: Ok, I will go. [Shri Mataji is walking out the room]

3/20/1990

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Eve of Birthday Puja, Talk to Sahaja Yogis: Don’t create groups

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Eve of Birthday Puja. Sydney (Australia), 20 March 1990. So my tour of Australia has come to an end. Today is a day I can say it’s all very well done. We have had a very good response. I didn’t expect that much everywhere. It was tremendous. And very great things have happened, some miracles also, during this visit. And one has to know that Sahaja Yogis have to be with great potential manifesting. If they are then it triggers very well, otherwise I cannot work out. For that we have to understand that in Sahaja Yoga there’s no sacrifice of any kind. You don’t have to sacrifice anything. It’s all the time blessings throughout. You don’t have to sacrifice anything. And you don’t have to suffer also anything. Nothing of the kind. I have told you about how my father was in jail, my mother was in jail - and how many times - and how we suffered during the war of independence. We lost everything, all our properties, everything, for the war of independence only. But this is the independence, the freedom of an absolute nature, not only for you but for the whole world, for your children, for everyone. It’s a tremendous work. It’s a very great achievement. In the history of spirituality, in the history of the world, this is the greatest thing that has happened, is that people are transformed into a new awareness. Perhaps you are not aware of it. And we take it for granted and we don’t understand the importance of it and we get lost into smaller, smaller things and very wasteful things which are of no value. All these things will be going into the history. You must understand that. And where do you stand in that history? What will you be called? So now first of all there were problems with the leaders. Alright. But there were some who stuck on to it, they didn’t give it up. They did not give it up because the leaders were bad. Nobody wrote to me, alright, but they stuck on. But those who went away, why didn’t they write to me [about] why they went away? This is an escape from reality. This is an escape. To say that, “There was something wrong with the the ashram people.” “There was something wrong with the leaders.” Of course it was, but you should have written to me. Why didn’t you write to me? Why did you take such decisions on your own and just left the Sahaja Yoga into lurch? You have to be people of quality otherwise Sahaja Yoga won’t work out. It’s not meant for people who are mediocres. If there are few [it] doesn’t matter, but there have to be people of quality. That is one thing for sure. Now I have seen that everywhere people have taken, here, a view that it’s better to have separate houses. I mean, this is another absurd view. From where it has come into your heads, I don’t know. Absolutely absurd, against Sahaj. It’s [a] most asahaj view. Today only I was reading, five old ladies were killed by one man because they were living alone in every house. Such violence, such horrible atmosphere everywhere. Even for security it’s better that you live together - at least eight people, ten people together. There’s no sacrifice in it. There’s no sacrifice. On the contrary if you live together as I’ve told you, you save money, your children are looked after, if somebody’s pregnant she’s looked after. There’s somebody to look after you. But what is the gain of having another house? I don’t understand. You have to work much harder, pay much more, but a kind of a ego satisfaction is there. And then they develop problems I have seen. And we’ve got cancer, we’ve got heart attacks, you’ve got this, “My son has run away!” That has happened, that has happened. All this arbitrary behaviour. And I am supposed to be sort of responsible for everything. It’s a complete liability. Once somebody comes to Sahaja Yoga, then he is a liability on us. But he has no responsibilities and he has no duties, only I have. That’s not proper. So now I have to tell you, today, very frankly, that you all have to live together, at least eight to ten people in a place. And don’t fight, don’t create groups. Group making is a very wrong thing. Before making any group you write to me. You are all welcome to write to me, and I’ll attend to that letter if it is worth attending. Because I know everything through vibrations. Don’t talk against each other. It’s a murmuring souls, and Christ has said such people will go to hell. It’s not hell outside, I tell you, it will be the hell here. It’s hell here. And I have seen people suffering. I am so frightened, you have no idea. Don’t play about with Sahaja Yoga, at all! I’m just warning you. It’s a very serious thing. People have got heart attacks, have got accidents, have got cancers, all kinds of things, and really I am quite frightened that you people don’t realise that there is another force working it out. So don’t take arbitrary decisions. You are very safe in Sahaja Yoga. Stay in Sahaja Yoga, grow in Sahaja Yoga, enjoy in Sahaja Yog. Everything is there available for you. And you don’t have to do anything else except that keep together. It’s a collective happening. It’s a collective. If you are not in the collective, the Divine is not interested in you at all – you are out of it. Only the collective gets the power. Only the collective is magnetic. Single person who lives away from collective all the time, is something wrong with that person. If he cannot be collective there’s something wrong. Such a person should sit down and find out what’s wrong with that person, must get it corrected, absolutely corrected. And see to it that you are alright. Because this is for your benevolence. [If] you want to lead a happy, healthy, good life, then be sensible, have some wisdom about it. And some people who have been negative are still negative and just thinking on the same lines. So it’s high time all of you have to work it out sensibly, and understanding. There are leaders because I have to have communication, that’s all. And they will communicate to me about you people. [If] there are problems, they will try to solve you. If they cannot solve it, they’ll write to me and I’ll have to see to it. There’s not going to be any regimentation in Sahaja Yoga at all. It is a thing of love. But you must have love for yourself. I mean, you should be self-disciplined. Now imagine how I must have felt! I have come here, I have worked so hard for so many times I have been here and when I come here what I find, everything is broken down. It’s so sad! I worked so hard. Now next time I am going to see you all settled down in proper ashrams, in different places. Not for your own comfort you should think, but if you have an ashram you put a centre there. Every place you can have a centre. In Bombay, I don’t know, we have eighteen or twenty-one centres! In Bombay. That’s how it increases and improves: you have centres everywhere. So it’s available to people all the time. You talk about it, meet every day. Evening time you all can meet, talk to each other; and you have one day in a week somewhere, in a school or something, a big place where you all meet. The more you meet, the more there is rapport, the more there is collectivity, the more there are blessings for each one of you, and for all of you. It absolutely, simultaneously works out; whilst when there is no collectivity – no. When there is collectivity, everything, everything is available to you. So don’t try to break the collectivity by forming any groups or anything. Nothing of the kind! If you find anything wrong you have to write to me. But everybody’s responsibility is to sustain the collectivity, to support it, to help it. If you find that somebody is talking about somebody else, then you say, “No, no, he was talking very good about you. Why are you talking ill about that person?” This is what Christ has said, that, “These are peacemakers.” But somebody says something about someone, “Oh,” then you go into, “Ho, ho, ho, that one is like this,” then another one. We are not like common people, we are not ordinary people, we are saints and we have to respect each other, to love each other, to understand and enjoy each other. What will the children say tomorrow? So nobody should get away with this idea that we can have separate houses, live separately and we are alright. Better take out all my photographs from them; they have no business. At least eight persons should be there in one household, at least, minimum. Eight to ten people is a good idea. There’s no safety, there’s no progress, there’s nothing in such houses where they live alone very nicely. Morning till evening they are cooking, cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, looking after the car, locking the house. What else are they doing? It’s so boring to be alone, it’s extremely boring. Now I have already told you very clearly that we have to live together. And let the children know each other, know everyone, they should know about their friendship. And you know, it is so nice the way they love each other and the way they talk to each other, and about their aunties and uncles they talk, so sweetly. So many aunties and uncles to have is something so remarkable, to have so many nephews and nieces all over. And unless and until you have that kind of a feeling, it won’t work out. Then if somebody finds something wrong with your child and tells you, don’t get angry for that, be thankful. Try to improve your child. The improvement of your child is for the benevolence of the child. Not to feel bad: “This is my child!” This ‘my’ business has to go a little bit, then I will come. If there is “my house,” “my children,” “my car,” “my this.” This has to go away! Let us see how we start diverting our energies to your collective beauty, collective love, collective understanding. And if it is not there’s something wrong with you. Take it from me [there’s] something wrong. So either you are right-sided or left-sided. Find out and just get yourself cleared out. Clean out yourself! And you will understand that there was something wrong with you, nothing wrong with Sahaja Yoga. All such ideas are going to completely blast Sahaja Yoga and finish it off. They are selfish, self-oriented, absolutely out of date ideas for Sahaja Yoga. You can have one room for each one of them and you can stay together, and you can have somebody as a leader, whomsoever you want. If you want we can do rotation of leaders later on, if you like, that can be done also. But still I would say that, unless and until there is something wrong with the leader, it’s not proper to remove such a leader. But whatever you suggest, I don’t mind, but we have to have someone who is looking after you, and informing me about you. But the wife of the leader is never a leader - understand that. It’s only the leader is the leader, whether it’s the husband or a wife of a leader - is not a leader. And she should never behave like that. She has to be very motherly, kindly and all the time looking after all the people in a more gentler way than the husband himself. That’s the sign of a good wife of a leader. We have some. We have such women. And wherever there have been good ashrams Sahaja Yoga has prospered. It has gone up to the governments. It has gone up to the intellectuals. It has gone up to such areas where we would never expect to go. Anywhere [where] there has been. And most of the people now are in the ashram, in the whole world. I hope you all understand the importance of it. Anything goes wrong with anyone here, immediately the telephone comes, that something has gone wrong with such and such person is sick. Then I can tell you what is to be done, how to get that person cured. But supposing you are in some other house…It happened like this: one fellow was like that and he met with an accident. He met with an accident, nobody knew. He was lying in the hospital. When he came to his consciousness he called for somebody, then they told me. It’s like one family. It’s like one body. If something hurts here the whole body knows. You must know how many there are with us. You’ll feel so strong and happy. But first of all you must develop that rapport, you must develop that love, you must develop that personality. Now, those who are left-sided, I have already told them what treatment they have to take. Take it seriously! Left-sidedness should not be allowed to grow at all. I tell you, it’s very dangerous. All these horrible diseases that you have heard of, all of them, one and all – epilepsy, mental derangements, cancer, all psychosomatic, this myelitis, then there are other diseases like AIDS, all that – attack only left-sided people. Anybody who has left side: immediately try to get rid of that left side. The right side shows so everybody knows, and you can throw away such a person, or you can correct. But the left side, be very careful! Don’t play about with the left side. Left side is very dangerous. To avoid that, don’t mix up with people who are mentally deranged, don’t go to the hospitals where such people live. Don’t try to cure people who are left-sided. They can be all cured on my photograph. And if somebody starts telling too much about their woes and all that just shut your ears. All this left side comes from a kind of a self-indulgence, in the sense that you start thinking you are so miserable, you are so unhappy, you are no good, and all that. So the right-sided are the over-confident, the left-sided are diffident. But, because they’re diffident, all kinds of viruses can attack them. And these viruses are the things which bring forth diseases which cannot be cured. So be careful on that point. Now, right-sided people trouble others. The left-sided trouble themselves, and the right-sided trouble others. They try to show off, and they want to think they are too much. The first sign of a right-sided is that he starts suddenly shouting, or giving lectures also, that’s another one. Thirdly, he tries to show off that he’s a very big, great Sahaja Yogi. There’s nobody great in Sahaja Yoga. Everybody is just the same. Just like all fingers are the same, every cell is the same, everybody is the same. So nobody’s higher and lower. There’s no hierarchy in Sahaja Yoga. Everybody must understand that we are all one, part and parcel of one body, and we don’t have to consider ourself higher or lower. So there are so many ways of expression of these boastful, right-sided people. And we can pull their legs – alright, allowed. If somebody boasts too much you just pull their legs. That’s allowed. That’s how in India nobody can have ego, because from very childhood [if] somebody tries to show off - pull their legs. If somebody talks loudly, pull their legs. If somebody laughs loudly, pull their legs. I mean, anything somebody tries to do, overdo, just pull their legs. So it doesn’t behove for a Sahaja Yogi to be like that. A Sahaja Yogi has to be very dignified; otherwise why will people come to Sahaja Yoga if we are just like them? We have to be exceptional. Isn’t it. And that’s what is what I call dignified, loving, affectionate, kind, sweet. That’s what is the beauty. So anybody who shouts, screams, gets angry, full of anger, this thing, bring one pin and just prick it – allowed! And if he says anything, “It’s to prick your ego!” Show the pins, like this. He’ll understand, “Alright, this is what I have.” So when you make a fun of a person who is egoist he may not like it. But you show him a pin, he’ll understand, “Oh God, I have got it!” They are quite aware of their ego, they don’t want to have it. There was a gentleman from Delhi, his son wrote to me saying that, “My father says that he’s not allowed to speak at all, and he’s feeling very sad about it.” So in the lecture I said that nobody is allowed to speak. After my tape, meditate, stay in that meditative mood, and go home. Not that just after meditation, “What cake I am going to have?” All rush to the kitchen! It’s very surprising. Even Indians are surprised at it. [In] India people don’t get so much to eat but they are not hankering so much after food. Here the first attention is in the kitchen. All the time they are in the kitchen. How many times you take your tea is important. You should count how many times you are in the kitchen. I mean, you are still little babies, I tell you, in that respect. I don’t think I have ever opened a fridge to take out even water for myself – I mean, since I remember my life. Never! So this hankering after food is also another funny thing that, after meditation people just get up and go to eat. You must sit down, meditate. Now after meditation if people start giving speeches, then the people are anxious to go to the kitchen, “Here’s somebody giving lectures!” So big problem starts between the two. They don’t like it, because they think, “Oh, there’s a cake there, there’s something biryani kept and here it is this gentleman is trying to give us a lecture!” No one likes it. But it should be something very different, that, “We are in meditative mood, how can we come out of it?” So I better tell you a story of Janaka, which is very important. He was the one, in the beginning, at the time of Shri Rama, He was the father-in-law of Shri Rama, His name was Raja Janaka. And He was a king. So all the saints used to come and bow to Him. And He was a king, He used to live like a king. So one fellow, Nachiketa asked his guru, he said, “What is this, you bow to this Raja? He has got all the wealth, He’s got everything, wears all the ornaments, He has all pomp and show. Why should you, a saint like you, go and bow to Him?” He said “He’s videhi. He’s so detached, He’s videhi. He doesn’t exist in His body.” He couldn’t understand. He said, “Alright, I’ll go and see Him.” So he went and told Him that “I want to become Self-realised, as You are.” He said, “You ask me everything; I can give you, but no Self-realisation. Alright, we’ll see about it,” he said. So one day they were having a bath. He said, “Let’s go to the river, we’ll have our bath.” So He took this boy, they were sitting and having the bath when some people came and told that, “Your palace is burning and everybody is running away!” So He was still in meditative mood. He wouldn’t listen. Then they came back again, shouted, “See now, Your wife and children all have come out of it and they are all running away because the whole thing is getting burned.” Still He was in meditative mood, least bothered. Then they said, “Now the fire is coming this side, and what are you doing?” So Nachiketa got up and he caught hold of his clothes. He thought, “I should wear my clothes at least, they’ll be burnt.” But He was still meditating. Then Nachiketa realised that He is videhi. That’s why Sitaji is called as ‘Vaidehi’ because She is the daughter of a videhi. And that’s what we have to be. Where is our attention, we should see. We are meditating, take it deep down into yourself. That’s a meditative mood. Keep yourself there. And after meditation you just get up silently, sit for a while. I think best thing would be to have your food first and then meditate, if that is so, if you think that is proper. But I think if you have to get now into that new triggering, as I told you, into that new jumping that we have to do in Sahaja Yoga, if you have to catch that train, then you hurry up. You have to change all these ideas. You have had many houses, you have had many wives many children in your previous life. You never had your Realisation. Now you have got it. So now just every individual, every one of you should not think of others. Think of yourself - “I have to do it, I have to get it, I have to work it out.” This is what you have to do. “Why should I miss it?” This is a chance of many lives, the chance of many lives. And that’s how you can jump over, and work it out. We had lots of people in Australia, and if they had worried about themselves as to, “What I have done for Sahaja Yoga?” So in the morning you just decide, “What I am going to do for Sahaja Yog and myself?” In the evening, “What have I done for myself and what have I done for Sahaja Yoga?” ‘Myself’ doesn’t mean selfishness, but “for my ascent.” Every day. You start a diary to write it down. You face yourself. No excuses, nothing. If you are left behind what we can do? We can’t help it. And that is how you’ll find all kinds of blessings will come to you. You’ll be able to save money, you’ll be able to save time, you’ll get good jobs. All your problems can be solved if you really surrender yourself to that Paramachaitanya. Everything can be done. But as long as you have this narrow-mindedness and these narrow ideas about yourself - till then it won’t work out. This drop has to become one with the ocean then the ocean takes over! And I am sure that can work out. And you are basically a very good point here, because you are born on the land of Shri Ganesha. Basically it’s such an advantage for you, much more than Russians have. But Russians, I don’t know how, they have shot up so well. It’s an Agnya, it’s a right Agnya where they have denied Christ, they have denied all religions, everything, and still they’re prospering. So you are very well placed. And innocence can never be lost, can never be lost, whatever you may try. Of course, there could be clouds, but they get just into nothing, they just disappear. If you just try to cling on to your innocence and simplicity. And don’t think too much, “We should do like this, we should organise like this, we should have this thing.” Nothing of the kind! Wherever you are, why to think? I never think, “Where I will sit? What will be my chair? How will I sleep? How will I go there?” Nothing! Just exist. Just exist. Everything works out for good, you should know. Now, if you redden too much on your faces, you should know you have left Vishuddhis. So first of all know that you are forgiven for everything. Whatever you have done you are forgiven, just remember. You are forgiven completely, absolutely, hundred percent. There’s nothing to feel guilty about. Nothing to feel guilty. And you are loved, you are looked after, you are cared for. Paramchaitanya cares. It’s a caring, caring ‘government’ which cares for you, looks after you. It manages so many things. Unbelievable, it is! It manages. It works out. You must have heard about the story about Cairns, what miracle has taken place, have you heard? No? So, where is Kay? Kay, can you tell them? Come here. Just come. It’s too much? Kay McHugh: Excuse me Mother. It was a great blessing for Shri Mataji to come to Cairns for us. And we had the opportunity of taking Shri Mataji out to the Great Barrier Reef. Shri Mataji: Just we decided spontaneously. Kay McHugh: Very spontaneously! We delayed Her flight and kept Her from the Brisbane people for a few hours just to keep Her a little more time with us. But we thought it was important that She put Her attention on the reef because there was a lot of problems happening with this great natural phenomena off the coast of Cairns. And we took a fast boat out to the reef, and Shri Mataji graciously agreed to go down into a semi-submersible and had a look at the reef. And just looking at it, all the fish came around. It was just a miracle to be in the reef with Her while She was looking at all this wonderful natural phenomena. But within the next day the attention of the people who had been researching the reef and been worried about the Crown-of-Thorns starfish eating the reef, and all the pollution, suddenly they started to realise the reef was regenerating. And all the Crown-of-Thorns starfish were dying and they didn’t know why, they didn’t know where they’d come from, and now they don’t know where they’ve gone! (laughter) Shri Mataji: And they have written, it’s a mystery! Kay McHugh: And they said it’s a mystery. But just a glance from our Mother has just made everything right. Jai Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji: But you are not a Gold Reef, you see, you are not that. Because I cannot transform you that way. You have to use your will power. They are all animals and animals are under the control of God, that’s why they are called as ‘pashu’. Means ‘pash’ means all the bandhan, under the bandhan of God. Whatever God wants can do with them, with all the plants, animals, everyone. But with human beings you can’t do everything. And also to understand human beings is another problem. I don’t know how suddenly they become so funny. They are alright, going straight, and suddenly you don’t know what happens to them. So it’s a thing that God has created, and then adding to that man has created himself a little bit more – which is quite a difficult thing to understand. So you better understand yourself, why you do like that. And you have to, with your free will, accept that, “I have to do it.” It is self-disciplining. And you’ll work it out. And I’m sure one day you will show that in Australia we have really achieved a great height. Children are wonderful here, no doubt. Then another thing is that we have started a school in India with the idea that the amount you pay only for their food and clothes per month, that much is about to be charged for them. And they’ll have the best education of a private school, with all other facilities like horse-riding, swimming and every sort of thing. Music, dancing, everything can be taught to them. And the amount will be the same, practically as much as you’ll be spending on one child per month here, only for keeping them in the house. So it would be like going to a general school. Of course, the transport and everything we’ll look after. Now for this – as it is, you have paid some money, and others have also paid – and we have made a good arrangement now. The school has started. With this kind of a school the parents can go and see their children for a month, two months, whichever way you like, and stay there with them. Or if you want you can take them out to Himalayas, whichever way you want to do. But till the age of sixteen years I am thinking the children should not be exposed to this funny type of a country where they are just trying to destroy them. Because we have tried that also. When the children go back to parents, they come back with great problems, so it’s difficult. So now to think, “They are my children.” If you really think they are your children, for their benevolence you must sacrifice. Maybe a little money you might have to sacrifice, but more this feeling that, “They are my children.” They’re actually mine. And this will really help you a lot. You will be free here to do what you like, to have more time for meditation, spreading Sahaja Yoga. Because we are now on sort of a warpath. And we have to make these children so good that wherever they go they will not take to drugs, they will not take to bad things. On the contrary, they’ll be very great Sahaja Yogis. Maybe we might start a university later but just now, up to sixteen years, it’s guaranteed. So now we have started for only, I think, seven year old children a school now near Himalayas and also now we are going to bring it down. But now after three years or so we’ll be starting school for all classes. For all classes we’ll be starting in a big way, and we’ll be having best teachers and best timings, and we’ll look after them. Only thing is that if the Cambridge University accepts then we’ll have the Cambridge University affiliation, because Indian standards are too high, very high and you have to work really very hard for that. I would prefer Cambridge, better. So they might agree to do that for us. That’s how our children can achieve a better understanding of things, and they have more time for other things to do. So, so many things we are going to combine there. Basic education of Gandhiji I am going to introduce into that, where children know so much about the trees, about the plants, about animals, about fishes, about the surroundings in which they live, about the Mother Earth, about ecological problems and things like that. And we have to create really great leaders out of them. So it is for you to decide now, the children that you want to send there. You can have children up to seven years here, or six years here for your primary classes, but not for your high schools. But primary classes also we have. If you want to send your children for primary classes we have that also, that we can look after those children who are for primary classes. And there will be leave for the children for two months or three months, I think, for which you can come there, or you can take them anywhere you feel like. But I would not advise you to bring them back here because it’s too much of an exposure, and you know what’s happening to your children. They’ll have to learn how to respect parents, respect everything; and to get the intrinsic value of everything properly evaluated in their minds, so that they do not become stupid. I’m sure this will work out very well. I have seen some children in Rome, they have become so sensible, so developed, so beautiful. So money-wise also we might have to cut down little expenses of yours, doesn’t matter. For your children you have to do something. That’s the minimum they have worked it out. They said that per month it will be about three hundred dollars for a child, inclusive of clothes, food, transport, everything, books, everything. You don’t have to worry for their expenses at all. You could give them some other clothes, but they’ll have all their uniforms done by them. Books, shoes, everything will be done in that amount, and education of every kind. All kinds of arts, crafts, depending on the aptitude of the child. And you’ll see, they will be something very unique children. So think it over. In that there is a lot of work entailed, and some people are working it out. I’ll be getting some people from here also. And the whole process will be under my control, so you don’t have to worry. So now, I hope I’ll be coming next year again! (loud applause) But for next year – I mean of course, not this year – but next year we have decided that it would be better to come here in the month of April or May because May is a better month here than March and April [which] is quite hot. So what do you say, April or May? Yogis: May. Shri Mataji: May, alright. But May, I can only come after fifth of May. (applause) After, I said, fifth of May, because we’ll have one Sahasrar Day there and one here! And we can work it out that way to come by May, so we can have one month of May spent here. I would like to spend more time. But you must not have any more groups, quarrels, fighting, problems with husband and wife. I mean sometimes I feel, why did I marry them to create these problems? They were alright without marriages! So all these petty things should not be there. You should all be big, great people. I would like to come and see you here in your ashrams and things. I would like to know what you have been doing, what creative work you have been doing. It’s beautiful things you can do. Alright? So with that hope, tomorrow we’ll have this Birthday Puja. And everybody is quite jealous of you that I’m having my birthday here! (laughter) I love you Australians very much. And you have to also love yourself and have proper value about yourself. Don’t fritter away your lives. Don’t waste them on nonsensical things, that’s very precious. If you were not precious you would not have come to Sahaj Yog, remember that. You would have been by now in some pub! (laughter) Alright. Now, so few things we have here. Now, can you read out the list. You see, they told me not to bring anything, and because there is Customs. As it is the Customs tortured my life for nothing at all. If there are Customs, this thing, that thing. So I’m thankful to Mr Gupta that he could manage to bring some things for you. And I could only buy you something in the duty-free shop for you. So first of all there’s a present, one for Stephen. These fountain pens are given to the leaders so that they should write letters to me! Brian. Mr Brian. Now, others. Cairns, for Cairns. Melbourne. So this is Perth. Brisbane. Stephen Taylor: Brisbane is not here Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Brisbane is not here? We’ll keep it for Brisbane. What else? Stephen Taylor: And I don’t think Canberra is here either. Shri Mataji: Canberra is not here? Alright, keep it. Who else? Stephen Taylor: Who have we left out? Adelaide. Shri Mataji: Adelaide. Stephen Taylor: Where is he? Max? Shri Mataji: For Adelaide, you should try still. I think it will work out now. Things are better. Things are much better. It will work out. Max: The Adelaide collective has given you four macadamia nut trees for your house in Prathisthan. We have given you four macadamia nut trees, they are outside in a box for you to take back to India. Shri Mataji: With Me? Max: Yes, from the Adelaide collective, for Your birthday. Shri Mataji: Ah, I don’t think I can. But what you can do is to send them with these people when they come. They can be kept here waiting? Max: I thought they would be sent on to your house. Shri Mataji: Yes, somewhere here. And they can bring it when they come for the Ganapatipule, alright? For the tour. Alright? May God bless you. Thank you. Alright. So we start giving saris to ladies who looked after me. (applause) Canberra. So she’s not come as yet? Stephen Taylor: She’s still on the road Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Alright. Lynn, is she here? Stephen Taylor: Lynn. From Brisbane? Shri Mataji: Lynn from Brisbane. Stephen Taylor: She’s still coming. Cheryl? Yogi: Sandya Sapate? Shri Mataji: Jo? Stephen Taylor: Jo Reid? Jo Reid from Perth Shri Mataji: Kay [McHugh]. Kay from Cairns. Now we have shirts for the boys, of leaders of all the ashrams. So you read the name. And now you all should try it, whichever fits you, I mean, I don’t know! (laughter) First do it, first you people do it, alright. Stephen Taylor: Cairns. Shri Mataji: Come along, Cairns, come along. Select. Whichever fits you. These are all loose ones? So they’ll fit anyone. Yogi: All the same size. Shri Mataji: Alright, may God bless you. Yogi: Brisbane? Shri Mataji: On behalf, alright? Stephen Taylor: Wollongong. Is Brian here? Newcastle? Sydney? Ah. Sydney. Eight (ashrams). Where will we start? Gordon, Roosevelt, Mossman. One of you doesn’t matter which one. Bradwick. Strathville. Plan Street, Aberfield. Woolara. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Take whichever you like. That’s a good one! Stephen Taylor: Burwood? Shri Mataji: What about the New Zealand ke don (Hindi: two ashrams)? Auckland. Alright. That’s fine. Yogi: Then Canberra? Stephen Taylor: Have I forgotten anybody? Canberra. He’s not here. Shri Mataji: Alright, take it off. Stephen Taylor: There’s no one here from Canberra? Amazing! Yogi: Auckland? Stephen Taylor: Adelaide? Shri Mataji: Cairns you have given? Perth ko diya (have given)? Yogi: None for Melbourne! Shri Mataji: Because Melbourne has no ashram so far. Yes. So they have to have ashram. This is a special gift for Mr Stephen from the leader of Hariyana, Mr Gupta, who has been so kind to bring all these things through your Customs (applause). So now we should disperse, I think, and tomorrow is there’s puja. If we want to start it’s about eleven o’clock, but try to be there, make preparations. I’ll be ready here to come. I’ll be ready, very ready to come there, but the problem is sometimes it’s not ready. So we have told everybody eleven o’clock we are starting the puja. But let’s see how you do it. Because the preparation takes so much time. Alright? May God bless you. I gave it today because tomorrow is my birthday. I’m not supposed to give any presents on my birthday! (laughing) So finish it off now? Stephen Taylor: Yes. Shri Mataji: So good night, everybody. Sleep early! Hello, hello, how are you? Child called Shridhara: My father is here. Which one? Shridhara: I can’t find him. Shri Mataji: Yes, just find him! Shridhara: He’s in deep, deep, deep, deep sleep. Shri Mataji: He’s in deep, deep, deep, deep sleep eh? What’s your name? Shridhara: Shridhara. Shri Mataji: Shridhara, eh? And you are really Shridhar! He’s very good at acting! All these children can be really trained up so well! And they are born-realised. Now you will come to India to study? To ride horses? Shridhara: I think I can ride horses because I have these thick shoes on. Hats, hats. Yogini: Hats for riding horses. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. You don’t have to wear in India, there is no need, but we can get you some hats also. Shridhara: Where do you get a hat for my head? That hat doesn’t fit me now! Shri Mataji: They’ll fit you alright. They make hats for every size of head! (laughter) Alright. May God bless you. Shridhara: How about Mataji? Yogis: Bolo Jaganmata shri Nirmala Devi ki jay! Shridhara: Bye bye.

Eve of Birthday Puja. Sydney (Australia), 20 March 1990. So my tour of Australia has come to an end. Today is a day I can say it’s all very well done. We have had a very good response. I didn’t expect that much everywhere. It was tremendous. And very great things have happened, some miracles also, during this visit. And one has to know that Sahaja Yogis have to be with great potential manifesting. If they are then it triggers very well, otherwise I cannot work out. For that we have to understand that in Sahaja Yoga there’s no sacrifice of any kind. You don’t have to sacrifice anything. It’s all the time blessings throughout. You don’t have to sacrifice anything. And you don’t have to suffer also anything. Nothing of the kind. I have told you about how my father was in jail, my mother was in jail - and how many times - and how we suffered during the war of independence. We lost everything, all our properties, everything, for the war of independence only. But this is the independence, the freedom of an absolute nature, not only for you but for the whole world, for your children, for everyone. It’s a tremendous work. It’s a very great achievement. In the history of spirituality, in the history of the world, this is the greatest thing that has happened, is that people are transformed into a new awareness. Perhaps you are not aware of it. And we take it for granted and we don’t understand the importance of it and we get lost into smaller, smaller things and very wasteful things which are of no value. All these things will be going into the history. You must understand that. And where do you stand in that history? What will you be called? So now first of all there were problems with the leaders. Alright. But there were some who stuck on to it, they didn’t give it up. They did not give it up because the leaders were bad. Nobody wrote to me, alright, but they stuck on. But those who went away, why didn’t they write to me [about] why they went away? This is an escape from reality. This is an escape. To say that, “There was something wrong with the the ashram people.” “There was something wrong with the leaders.” Of course it was, but you should have written to me. Why didn’t you write to me? Why did you take such decisions on your own and just left the Sahaja Yoga into lurch? You have to be people of quality otherwise Sahaja Yoga won’t work out. It’s not meant for people who are mediocres. If there are few [it] doesn’t matter, but there have to be people of quality. That is one thing for sure. Now I have seen that everywhere people have taken, here, a view that it’s better to have separate houses. I mean, this is another absurd view. From where it has come into your heads, I don’t know. Absolutely absurd, against Sahaj. It’s [a] most asahaj view. Today only I was reading, five old ladies were killed by one man because they were living alone in every house. Such violence, such horrible atmosphere everywhere. Even for security it’s better that you live together - at least eight people, ten people together. There’s no sacrifice in it. There’s no sacrifice. On the contrary if you live together as I’ve told you, you save money, your children are looked after, if somebody’s pregnant she’s looked after. There’s somebody to look after you. But what is the gain of having another house? I don’t understand. You have to work much harder, pay much more, but a kind of a ego satisfaction is there. And then they develop problems I have seen. And we’ve got cancer, we’ve got heart attacks, you’ve got this, “My son has run away!” That has happened, that has happened. All this arbitrary behaviour. And I am supposed to be sort of responsible for everything. It’s a complete liability. Once somebody comes to Sahaja Yoga, then he is a liability on us. But he has no responsibilities and he has no duties, only I have. That’s not proper. So now I have to tell you, today, very frankly, that you all have to live together, at least eight to ten people in a place. And don’t fight, don’t create groups. Group making is a very wrong thing. Before making any group you write to me. You are all welcome to write to me, and I’ll attend to that letter if it is worth attending. Because I know everything through vibrations. Don’t talk against each other. It’s a murmuring souls, and Christ has said such people will go to hell. It’s not hell outside, I tell you, it will be the hell here. It’s hell here. And I have seen people suffering. I am so frightened, you have no idea. Don’t play about with Sahaja Yoga, at all! I’m just warning you. It’s a very serious thing. People have got heart attacks, have got accidents, have got cancers, all kinds of things, and really I am quite frightened that you people don’t realise that there is another force working it out. So don’t take arbitrary decisions. You are very safe in Sahaja Yoga. Stay in Sahaja Yoga, grow in Sahaja Yoga, enjoy in Sahaja Yog. Everything is there available for you. And you don’t have to do anything else except that keep together. It’s a collective happening. It’s a collective. If you are not in the collective, the Divine is not interested in you at all – you are out of it. Only the collective gets the power. Only the collective is magnetic. Single person who lives away from collective all the time, is something wrong with that person. If he cannot be collective there’s something wrong. Such a person should sit down and find out what’s wrong with that person, must get it corrected, absolutely corrected. And see to it that you are alright. Because this is for your benevolence. [If] you want to lead a happy, healthy, good life, then be sensible, have some wisdom about it. And some people who have been negative are still negative and just thinking on the same lines. So it’s high time all of you have to work it out sensibly, and understanding. There are leaders because I have to have communication, that’s all. And they will communicate to me about you people. [If] there are problems, they will try to solve you. If they cannot solve it, they’ll write to me and I’ll have to see to it. There’s not going to be any regimentation in Sahaja Yoga at all. It is a thing of love. But you must have love for yourself. I mean, you should be self-disciplined. Now imagine how I must have felt! I have come here, I have worked so hard for so many times I have been here and when I come here what I find, everything is broken down. It’s so sad! I worked so hard. Now next time I am going to see you all settled down in proper ashrams, in different places. Not for your own comfort you should think, but if you have an ashram you put a centre there. Every place you can have a centre. In Bombay, I don’t know, we have eighteen or twenty-one centres! In Bombay. That’s how it increases and improves: you have centres everywhere. So it’s available to people all the time. You talk about it, meet every day. Evening time you all can meet, talk to each other; and you have one day in a week somewhere, in a school or something, a big place where you all meet. The more you meet, the more there is rapport, the more there is collectivity, the more there are blessings for each one of you, and for all of you. It absolutely, simultaneously works out; whilst when there is no collectivity – no. When there is collectivity, everything, everything is available to you. So don’t try to break the collectivity by forming any groups or anything. Nothing of the kind! If you find anything wrong you have to write to me. But everybody’s responsibility is to sustain the collectivity, to support it, to help it. If you find that somebody is talking about somebody else, then you say, “No, no, he was talking very good about you. Why are you talking ill about that person?” This is what Christ has said, that, “These are peacemakers.” But somebody says something about someone, “Oh,” then you go into, “Ho, ho, ho, that one is like this,” then another one. We are not like common people, we are not ordinary people, we are saints and we have to respect each other, to love each other, to understand and enjoy each other. What will the children say tomorrow? So nobody should get away with this idea that we can have separate houses, live separately and we are alright. Better take out all my photographs from them; they have no business. At least eight persons should be there in one household, at least, minimum. Eight to ten people is a good idea. There’s no safety, there’s no progress, there’s nothing in such houses where they live alone very nicely. Morning till evening they are cooking, cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, looking after the car, locking the house. What else are they doing? It’s so boring to be alone, it’s extremely boring. Now I have already told you very clearly that we have to live together. And let the children know each other, know everyone, they should know about their friendship. And you know, it is so nice the way they love each other and the way they talk to each other, and about their aunties and uncles they talk, so sweetly. So many aunties and uncles to have is something so remarkable, to have so many nephews and nieces all over. And unless and until you have that kind of a feeling, it won’t work out. Then if somebody finds something wrong with your child and tells you, don’t get angry for that, be thankful. Try to improve your child. The improvement of your child is for the benevolence of the child. Not to feel bad: “This is my child!” This ‘my’ business has to go a little bit, then I will come. If there is “my house,” “my children,” “my car,” “my this.” This has to go away! Let us see how we start diverting our energies to your collective beauty, collective love, collective understanding. And if it is not there’s something wrong with you. Take it from me [there’s] something wrong. So either you are right-sided or left-sided. Find out and just get yourself cleared out. Clean out yourself! And you will understand that there was something wrong with you, nothing wrong with Sahaja Yoga. All such ideas are going to completely blast Sahaja Yoga and finish it off. They are selfish, self-oriented, absolutely out of date ideas for Sahaja Yoga. You can have one room for each one of them and you can stay together, and you can have somebody as a leader, whomsoever you want. If you want we can do rotation of leaders later on, if you like, that can be done also. But still I would say that, unless and until there is something wrong with the leader, it’s not proper to remove such a leader. But whatever you suggest, I don’t mind, but we have to have someone who is looking after you, and informing me about you. But the wife of the leader is never a leader - understand that. It’s only the leader is the leader, whether it’s the husband or a wife of a leader - is not a leader. And she should never behave like that. She has to be very motherly, kindly and all the time looking after all the people in a more gentler way than the husband himself. That’s the sign of a good wife of a leader. We have some. We have such women. And wherever there have been good ashrams Sahaja Yoga has prospered. It has gone up to the governments. It has gone up to the intellectuals. It has gone up to such areas where we would never expect to go. Anywhere [where] there has been. And most of the people now are in the ashram, in the whole world. I hope you all understand the importance of it. Anything goes wrong with anyone here, immediately the telephone comes, that something has gone wrong with such and such person is sick. Then I can tell you what is to be done, how to get that person cured. But supposing you are in some other house…It happened like this: one fellow was like that and he met with an accident. He met with an accident, nobody knew. He was lying in the hospital. When he came to his consciousness he called for somebody, then they told me. It’s like one family. It’s like one body. If something hurts here the whole body knows. You must know how many there are with us. You’ll feel so strong and happy. But first of all you must develop that rapport, you must develop that love, you must develop that personality. Now, those who are left-sided, I have already told them what treatment they have to take. Take it seriously! Left-sidedness should not be allowed to grow at all. I tell you, it’s very dangerous. All these horrible diseases that you have heard of, all of them, one and all – epilepsy, mental derangements, cancer, all psychosomatic, this myelitis, then there are other diseases like AIDS, all that – attack only left-sided people. Anybody who has left side: immediately try to get rid of that left side. The right side shows so everybody knows, and you can throw away such a person, or you can correct. But the left side, be very careful! Don’t play about with the left side. Left side is very dangerous. To avoid that, don’t mix up with people who are mentally deranged, don’t go to the hospitals where such people live. Don’t try to cure people who are left-sided. They can be all cured on my photograph. And if somebody starts telling too much about their woes and all that just shut your ears. All this left side comes from a kind of a self-indulgence, in the sense that you start thinking you are so miserable, you are so unhappy, you are no good, and all that. So the right-sided are the over-confident, the left-sided are diffident. But, because they’re diffident, all kinds of viruses can attack them. And these viruses are the things which bring forth diseases which cannot be cured. So be careful on that point. Now, right-sided people trouble others. The left-sided trouble themselves, and the right-sided trouble others. They try to show off, and they want to think they are too much. The first sign of a right-sided is that he starts suddenly shouting, or giving lectures also, that’s another one. Thirdly, he tries to show off that he’s a very big, great Sahaja Yogi. There’s nobody great in Sahaja Yoga. Everybody is just the same. Just like all fingers are the same, every cell is the same, everybody is the same. So nobody’s higher and lower. There’s no hierarchy in Sahaja Yoga. Everybody must understand that we are all one, part and parcel of one body, and we don’t have to consider ourself higher or lower. So there are so many ways of expression of these boastful, right-sided people. And we can pull their legs – alright, allowed. If somebody boasts too much you just pull their legs. That’s allowed. That’s how in India nobody can have ego, because from very childhood [if] somebody tries to show off - pull their legs. If somebody talks loudly, pull their legs. If somebody laughs loudly, pull their legs. I mean, anything somebody tries to do, overdo, just pull their legs. So it doesn’t behove for a Sahaja Yogi to be like that. A Sahaja Yogi has to be very dignified; otherwise why will people come to Sahaja Yoga if we are just like them? We have to be exceptional. Isn’t it. And that’s what is what I call dignified, loving, affectionate, kind, sweet. That’s what is the beauty. So anybody who shouts, screams, gets angry, full of anger, this thing, bring one pin and just prick it – allowed! And if he says anything, “It’s to prick your ego!” Show the pins, like this. He’ll understand, “Alright, this is what I have.” So when you make a fun of a person who is egoist he may not like it. But you show him a pin, he’ll understand, “Oh God, I have got it!” They are quite aware of their ego, they don’t want to have it. There was a gentleman from Delhi, his son wrote to me saying that, “My father says that he’s not allowed to speak at all, and he’s feeling very sad about it.” So in the lecture I said that nobody is allowed to speak. After my tape, meditate, stay in that meditative mood, and go home. Not that just after meditation, “What cake I am going to have?” All rush to the kitchen! It’s very surprising. Even Indians are surprised at it. [In] India people don’t get so much to eat but they are not hankering so much after food. Here the first attention is in the kitchen. All the time they are in the kitchen. How many times you take your tea is important. You should count how many times you are in the kitchen. I mean, you are still little babies, I tell you, in that respect. I don’t think I have ever opened a fridge to take out even water for myself – I mean, since I remember my life. Never! So this hankering after food is also another funny thing that, after meditation people just get up and go to eat. You must sit down, meditate. Now after meditation if people start giving speeches, then the people are anxious to go to the kitchen, “Here’s somebody giving lectures!” So big problem starts between the two. They don’t like it, because they think, “Oh, there’s a cake there, there’s something biryani kept and here it is this gentleman is trying to give us a lecture!” No one likes it. But it should be something very different, that, “We are in meditative mood, how can we come out of it?” So I better tell you a story of Janaka, which is very important. He was the one, in the beginning, at the time of Shri Rama, He was the father-in-law of Shri Rama, His name was Raja Janaka. And He was a king. So all the saints used to come and bow to Him. And He was a king, He used to live like a king. So one fellow, Nachiketa asked his guru, he said, “What is this, you bow to this Raja? He has got all the wealth, He’s got everything, wears all the ornaments, He has all pomp and show. Why should you, a saint like you, go and bow to Him?” He said “He’s videhi. He’s so detached, He’s videhi. He doesn’t exist in His body.” He couldn’t understand. He said, “Alright, I’ll go and see Him.” So he went and told Him that “I want to become Self-realised, as You are.” He said, “You ask me everything; I can give you, but no Self-realisation. Alright, we’ll see about it,” he said. So one day they were having a bath. He said, “Let’s go to the river, we’ll have our bath.” So He took this boy, they were sitting and having the bath when some people came and told that, “Your palace is burning and everybody is running away!” So He was still in meditative mood. He wouldn’t listen. Then they came back again, shouted, “See now, Your wife and children all have come out of it and they are all running away because the whole thing is getting burned.” Still He was in meditative mood, least bothered. Then they said, “Now the fire is coming this side, and what are you doing?” So Nachiketa got up and he caught hold of his clothes. He thought, “I should wear my clothes at least, they’ll be burnt.” But He was still meditating. Then Nachiketa realised that He is videhi. That’s why Sitaji is called as ‘Vaidehi’ because She is the daughter of a videhi. And that’s what we have to be. Where is our attention, we should see. We are meditating, take it deep down into yourself. That’s a meditative mood. Keep yourself there. And after meditation you just get up silently, sit for a while. I think best thing would be to have your food first and then meditate, if that is so, if you think that is proper. But I think if you have to get now into that new triggering, as I told you, into that new jumping that we have to do in Sahaja Yoga, if you have to catch that train, then you hurry up. You have to change all these ideas. You have had many houses, you have had many wives many children in your previous life. You never had your Realisation. Now you have got it. So now just every individual, every one of you should not think of others. Think of yourself - “I have to do it, I have to get it, I have to work it out.” This is what you have to do. “Why should I miss it?” This is a chance of many lives, the chance of many lives. And that’s how you can jump over, and work it out. We had lots of people in Australia, and if they had worried about themselves as to, “What I have done for Sahaja Yoga?” So in the morning you just decide, “What I am going to do for Sahaja Yog and myself?” In the evening, “What have I done for myself and what have I done for Sahaja Yoga?” ‘Myself’ doesn’t mean selfishness, but “for my ascent.” Every day. You start a diary to write it down. You face yourself. No excuses, nothing. If you are left behind what we can do? We can’t help it. And that is how you’ll find all kinds of blessings will come to you. You’ll be able to save money, you’ll be able to save time, you’ll get good jobs. All your problems can be solved if you really surrender yourself to that Paramachaitanya. Everything can be done. But as long as you have this narrow-mindedness and these narrow ideas about yourself - till then it won’t work out. This drop has to become one with the ocean then the ocean takes over! And I am sure that can work out. And you are basically a very good point here, because you are born on the land of Shri Ganesha. Basically it’s such an advantage for you, much more than Russians have. But Russians, I don’t know how, they have shot up so well. It’s an Agnya, it’s a right Agnya where they have denied Christ, they have denied all religions, everything, and still they’re prospering. So you are very well placed. And innocence can never be lost, can never be lost, whatever you may try. Of course, there could be clouds, but they get just into nothing, they just disappear. If you just try to cling on to your innocence and simplicity. And don’t think too much, “We should do like this, we should organise like this, we should have this thing.” Nothing of the kind! Wherever you are, why to think? I never think, “Where I will sit? What will be my chair? How will I sleep? How will I go there?” Nothing! Just exist. Just exist. Everything works out for good, you should know. Now, if you redden too much on your faces, you should know you have left Vishuddhis. So first of all know that you are forgiven for everything. Whatever you have done you are forgiven, just remember. You are forgiven completely, absolutely, hundred percent. There’s nothing to feel guilty about. Nothing to feel guilty. And you are loved, you are looked after, you are cared for. Paramchaitanya cares. It’s a caring, caring ‘government’ which cares for you, looks after you. It manages so many things. Unbelievable, it is! It manages. It works out. You must have heard about the story about Cairns, what miracle has taken place, have you heard? No? So, where is Kay? Kay, can you tell them? Come here. Just come. It’s too much? Kay McHugh: Excuse me Mother. It was a great blessing for Shri Mataji to come to Cairns for us. And we had the opportunity of taking Shri Mataji out to the Great Barrier Reef. Shri Mataji: Just we decided spontaneously. Kay McHugh: Very spontaneously! We delayed Her flight and kept Her from the Brisbane people for a few hours just to keep Her a little more time with us. But we thought it was important that She put Her attention on the reef because there was a lot of problems happening with this great natural phenomena off the coast of Cairns. And we took a fast boat out to the reef, and Shri Mataji graciously agreed to go down into a semi-submersible and had a look at the reef. And just looking at it, all the fish came around. It was just a miracle to be in the reef with Her while She was looking at all this wonderful natural phenomena. But within the next day the attention of the people who had been researching the reef and been worried about the Crown-of-Thorns starfish eating the reef, and all the pollution, suddenly they started to realise the reef was regenerating. And all the Crown-of-Thorns starfish were dying and they didn’t know why, they didn’t know where they’d come from, and now they don’t know where they’ve gone! (laughter) Shri Mataji: And they have written, it’s a mystery! Kay McHugh: And they said it’s a mystery. But just a glance from our Mother has just made everything right. Jai Shri Mataji! Shri Mataji: But you are not a Gold Reef, you see, you are not that. Because I cannot transform you that way. You have to use your will power. They are all animals and animals are under the control of God, that’s why they are called as ‘pashu’. Means ‘pash’ means all the bandhan, under the bandhan of God. Whatever God wants can do with them, with all the plants, animals, everyone. But with human beings you can’t do everything. And also to understand human beings is another problem. I don’t know how suddenly they become so funny. They are alright, going straight, and suddenly you don’t know what happens to them. So it’s a thing that God has created, and then adding to that man has created himself a little bit more – which is quite a difficult thing to understand. So you better understand yourself, why you do like that. And you have to, with your free will, accept that, “I have to do it.” It is self-disciplining. And you’ll work it out. And I’m sure one day you will show that in Australia we have really achieved a great height. Children are wonderful here, no doubt. Then another thing is that we have started a school in India with the idea that the amount you pay only for their food and clothes per month, that much is about to be charged for them. And they’ll have the best education of a private school, with all other facilities like horse-riding, swimming and every sort of thing. Music, dancing, everything can be taught to them. And the amount will be the same, practically as much as you’ll be spending on one child per month here, only for keeping them in the house. So it would be like going to a general school. Of course, the transport and everything we’ll look after. Now for this – as it is, you have paid some money, and others have also paid – and we have made a good arrangement now. The school has started. With this kind of a school the parents can go and see their children for a month, two months, whichever way you like, and stay there with them. Or if you want you can take them out to Himalayas, whichever way you want to do. But till the age of sixteen years I am thinking the children should not be exposed to this funny type of a country where they are just trying to destroy them. Because we have tried that also. When the children go back to parents, they come back with great problems, so it’s difficult. So now to think, “They are my children.” If you really think they are your children, for their benevolence you must sacrifice. Maybe a little money you might have to sacrifice, but more this feeling that, “They are my children.” They’re actually mine. And this will really help you a lot. You will be free here to do what you like, to have more time for meditation, spreading Sahaja Yoga. Because we are now on sort of a warpath. And we have to make these children so good that wherever they go they will not take to drugs, they will not take to bad things. On the contrary, they’ll be very great Sahaja Yogis. Maybe we might start a university later but just now, up to sixteen years, it’s guaranteed. So now we have started for only, I think, seven year old children a school now near Himalayas and also now we are going to bring it down. But now after three years or so we’ll be starting school for all classes. For all classes we’ll be starting in a big way, and we’ll be having best teachers and best timings, and we’ll look after them. Only thing is that if the Cambridge University accepts then we’ll have the Cambridge University affiliation, because Indian standards are too high, very high and you have to work really very hard for that. I would prefer Cambridge, better. So they might agree to do that for us. That’s how our children can achieve a better understanding of things, and they have more time for other things to do. So, so many things we are going to combine there. Basic education of Gandhiji I am going to introduce into that, where children know so much about the trees, about the plants, about animals, about fishes, about the surroundings in which they live, about the Mother Earth, about ecological problems and things like that. And we have to create really great leaders out of them. So it is for you to decide now, the children that you want to send there. You can have children up to seven years here, or six years here for your primary classes, but not for your high schools. But primary classes also we have. If you want to send your children for primary classes we have that also, that we can look after those children who are for primary classes. And there will be leave for the children for two months or three months, I think, for which you can come there, or you can take them anywhere you feel like. But I would not advise you to bring them back here because it’s too much of an exposure, and you know what’s happening to your children. They’ll have to learn how to respect parents, respect everything; and to get the intrinsic value of everything properly evaluated in their minds, so that they do not become stupid. I’m sure this will work out very well. I have seen some children in Rome, they have become so sensible, so developed, so beautiful. So money-wise also we might have to cut down little expenses of yours, doesn’t matter. For your children you have to do something. That’s the minimum they have worked it out. They said that per month it will be about three hundred dollars for a child, inclusive of clothes, food, transport, everything, books, everything. You don’t have to worry for their expenses at all. You could give them some other clothes, but they’ll have all their uniforms done by them. Books, shoes, everything will be done in that amount, and education of every kind. All kinds of arts, crafts, depending on the aptitude of the child. And you’ll see, they will be something very unique children. So think it over. In that there is a lot of work entailed, and some people are working it out. I’ll be getting some people from here also. And the whole process will be under my control, so you don’t have to worry. So now, I hope I’ll be coming next year again! (loud applause) But for next year – I mean of course, not this year – but next year we have decided that it would be better to come here in the month of April or May because May is a better month here than March and April [which] is quite hot. So what do you say, April or May? Yogis: May. Shri Mataji: May, alright. But May, I can only come after fifth of May. (applause) After, I said, fifth of May, because we’ll have one Sahasrar Day there and one here! And we can work it out that way to come by May, so we can have one month of May spent here. I would like to spend more time. But you must not have any more groups, quarrels, fighting, problems with husband and wife. I mean sometimes I feel, why did I marry them to create these problems? They were alright without marriages! So all these petty things should not be there. You should all be big, great people. I would like to come and see you here in your ashrams and things. I would like to know what you have been doing, what creative work you have been doing. It’s beautiful things you can do. Alright? So with that hope, tomorrow we’ll have this Birthday Puja. And everybody is quite jealous of you that I’m having my birthday here! (laughter) I love you Australians very much. And you have to also love yourself and have proper value about yourself. Don’t fritter away your lives. Don’t waste them on nonsensical things, that’s very precious. If you were not precious you would not have come to Sahaj Yog, remember that. You would have been by now in some pub! (laughter) Alright. Now, so few things we have here. Now, can you read out the list. You see, they told me not to bring anything, and because there is Customs. As it is the Customs tortured my life for nothing at all. If there are Customs, this thing, that thing. So I’m thankful to Mr Gupta that he could manage to bring some things for you. And I could only buy you something in the duty-free shop for you. So first of all there’s a present, one for Stephen. These fountain pens are given to the leaders so that they should write letters to me! Brian. Mr Brian. Now, others. Cairns, for Cairns. Melbourne. So this is Perth. Brisbane. Stephen Taylor: Brisbane is not here Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Brisbane is not here? We’ll keep it for Brisbane. What else? Stephen Taylor: And I don’t think Canberra is here either. Shri Mataji: Canberra is not here? Alright, keep it. Who else? Stephen Taylor: Who have we left out? Adelaide. Shri Mataji: Adelaide. Stephen Taylor: Where is he? Max? Shri Mataji: For Adelaide, you should try still. I think it will work out now. Things are better. Things are much better. It will work out. Max: The Adelaide collective has given you four macadamia nut trees for your house in Prathisthan. We have given you four macadamia nut trees, they are outside in a box for you to take back to India. Shri Mataji: With Me? Max: Yes, from the Adelaide collective, for Your birthday. Shri Mataji: Ah, I don’t think I can. But what you can do is to send them with these people when they come. They can be kept here waiting? Max: I thought they would be sent on to your house. Shri Mataji: Yes, somewhere here. And they can bring it when they come for the Ganapatipule, alright? For the tour. Alright? May God bless you. Thank you. Alright. So we start giving saris to ladies who looked after me. (applause) Canberra. So she’s not come as yet? Stephen Taylor: She’s still on the road Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Alright. Lynn, is she here? Stephen Taylor: Lynn. From Brisbane? Shri Mataji: Lynn from Brisbane. Stephen Taylor: She’s still coming. Cheryl? Yogi: Sandya Sapate? Shri Mataji: Jo? Stephen Taylor: Jo Reid? Jo Reid from Perth Shri Mataji: Kay [McHugh]. Kay from Cairns. Now we have shirts for the boys, of leaders of all the ashrams. So you read the name. And now you all should try it, whichever fits you, I mean, I don’t know! (laughter) First do it, first you people do it, alright. Stephen Taylor: Cairns. Shri Mataji: Come along, Cairns, come along. Select. Whichever fits you. These are all loose ones? So they’ll fit anyone. Yogi: All the same size. Shri Mataji: Alright, may God bless you. Yogi: Brisbane? Shri Mataji: On behalf, alright? Stephen Taylor: Wollongong. Is Brian here? Newcastle? Sydney? Ah. Sydney. Eight (ashrams). Where will we start? Gordon, Roosevelt, Mossman. One of you doesn’t matter which one. Bradwick. Strathville. Plan Street, Aberfield. Woolara. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. Take whichever you like. That’s a good one! Stephen Taylor: Burwood? Shri Mataji: What about the New Zealand ke don (Hindi: two ashrams)? Auckland. Alright. That’s fine. Yogi: Then Canberra? Stephen Taylor: Have I forgotten anybody? Canberra. He’s not here. Shri Mataji: Alright, take it off. Stephen Taylor: There’s no one here from Canberra? Amazing! Yogi: Auckland? Stephen Taylor: Adelaide? Shri Mataji: Cairns you have given? Perth ko diya (have given)? Yogi: None for Melbourne! Shri Mataji: Because Melbourne has no ashram so far. Yes. So they have to have ashram. This is a special gift for Mr Stephen from the leader of Hariyana, Mr Gupta, who has been so kind to bring all these things through your Customs (applause). So now we should disperse, I think, and tomorrow is there’s puja. If we want to start it’s about eleven o’clock, but try to be there, make preparations. I’ll be ready here to come. I’ll be ready, very ready to come there, but the problem is sometimes it’s not ready. So we have told everybody eleven o’clock we are starting the puja. But let’s see how you do it. Because the preparation takes so much time. Alright? May God bless you. I gave it today because tomorrow is my birthday. I’m not supposed to give any presents on my birthday! (laughing) So finish it off now? Stephen Taylor: Yes. Shri Mataji: So good night, everybody. Sleep early! Hello, hello, how are you? Child called Shridhara: My father is here. Which one? Shridhara: I can’t find him. Shri Mataji: Yes, just find him! Shridhara: He’s in deep, deep, deep, deep sleep. Shri Mataji: He’s in deep, deep, deep, deep sleep eh? What’s your name? Shridhara: Shridhara. Shri Mataji: Shridhara, eh? And you are really Shridhar! He’s very good at acting! All these children can be really trained up so well! And they are born-realised. Now you will come to India to study? To ride horses? Shridhara: I think I can ride horses because I have these thick shoes on. Hats, hats. Yogini: Hats for riding horses. Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. You don’t have to wear in India, there is no need, but we can get you some hats also. Shridhara: Where do you get a hat for my head? That hat doesn’t fit me now! Shri Mataji: They’ll fit you alright. They make hats for every size of head! (laughter) Alright. May God bless you. Shridhara: How about Mataji? Yogis: Bolo Jaganmata shri Nirmala Devi ki jay! Shridhara: Bye bye.

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis in Canberra, Australia, 20th March 1990 Shri Mataji: Let’s sit. So now, please be seated.Please remove this one, if you can take it out.Please, be seated. [Cut in the audio] We are all just the same, it’s one of the very important things we have to achieve, that we are all just the same, there’s no difference between us.Apart from that, from our mundane life, it’s better that we stay in the ashram because children are looked after, children become much more social, sensible and they understand mediation. And there’s a sort of discipline about it, meditation, people do meditation. In the house, they say: “Oh, I’m alright on my own” and this and that. I know there have been problems, I agreed, there has been very bad leaders, and they were Australians, what can I do? You are all Australians. I mean, I had to choose someone and the first who came to Sahaja Yoga, one after another. So they had to be appointed with. They turned out to be bad leaders, that’s-I don’t know- that’s the lack of Australia I think.[Shri Mataji laughs]Alright, but doesn’t matter. Yu should not rebel, you should stay in the ashram, that’s very bad to rebel or to create problems for collectivity, it’s sinful, and one has to pay for it. Those who create problems for collectivity are already paying through their noses,I know people, they develop- well, I don’t mean it at all, I don’t want it- they feel so frightened, that I’ve known people who’ve got cancers, have got heart attacks, have got horrible diseases. So, it’s very dangerous to do all these things, to get out of ashrams, form their own groups and work out that way, it’s very dangerous, it’s going against God, absolutely, it’s like cutting God’s hands and feet. Nobody should try that. If you have any problem with the leaders you can directly write to me, I’ve been telling everybody. Why don’t you write to me? They’ll write about everything, my hair are falling, my nose is becoming smaller, [Laughter] Alls sorts of nonsense, twelve pages, they’ll write.But they never write what’s wrong with you, what’s wrong with the leader. And it’s very surprising, not one person wrote to Me till I discovered myself. Everything I discovered myself. Nobody wrote to me anything about them. Then they move schools, they sell things, nobody tells Me anything about it. I was surprised when the school was moved from there to Sydney, without asking Me, without asking Me to give – what this Barwood [unsure], they bought that, gave up that place in Queue [unsure]. I never knew! No one writes to Me! I mean, I have direct relationships with you.Of course, one has to have somebody, one person, to whom to contact, isn’t it? After all, I can’t write at all of them.But if you find anything wrong in the contract you must inform. But without ashrams, I don’t think you can be Sahaja Yogis, by any chance. By any chance, take it from Me. You cannot be Sahaja Yogis and you cannot be protected either, not at all.Today, may be, if some people have gained some fame, some money, something that’s not going to help you. Modern times are going to be terrible. It’s very wrong to do such things. You don’t know you are playing with fire. I already told you in Sahaja Yoga there are two forces, centripetal and centrifuge. So according to the centripetal force, you are attracted in the centre. But centrifuge, you are thrown at a time jet [unsure]. But when you get out of the control of God’s regime, then you fall into the trap. Anything can happen to you. I know of somebody who was just trying to be funny about Sahaja Yoga, he got into extreme and died very suddenly. I was so chocked, The reports came that he’s started talking against Sahaja Yoga, he wanted to get out of Sahaja Yoga, he wanted to take some people and made a group and things like that. It’s very dangerous. Not for you but for your children and for the progeny of the whole lot. You are playing with fire, you must know this is a tremendous thing we are doing now. It’s a tremendous task. It’s a very great work we are doing, emancipation of the whole humanity. And you can’t take liberties with it like this. Of course, there are a lot of blessings and advantages. But that doesn’t mean that we have the right to exploit it, by any chance. So please, immediately try to find some ashram, I want to protect your children, protect you all. If you are not in the ashram, I don’t know what will happen. And I’m not responsible, I must tell you very frankly, Recently, you must have heard about Germany’s, things that happened. In Germany, this Hugo, is there, another Australian. He got some bhoot in him, I don’t know what happened. He suddenly got up and said: “I can also do Sahaja Yoga, why not?” And he was thinking he can form a group. He had already sent away two, three people from Russia. There was one mister Thomas who was an old Sahaja Yogi, he was nice. So when Hugo went there, he said: ‘No, nothing doing, I’d close the door, I don’t want to hear anything of this mother, I don’t want to hear anything about it. Just don’t tell me.” So mister Hugo went to another Sahaja Yogi who was, I would say, half-baked one, must have been. So they said, we’ll start another ashram, we’ll start everything do that about that. And the wife was rather obedient and she listened to all the nonsense that he was talking. And can you imagine? She got cancer and she died. She came at a, absolutely, galloping stage to Shuddy camp. She confessed all this to Me. And her husband is dead also now, a cancer [inaudible]. Because now, you are no more in the realm of God, finished. There’s no other worry, except for this, to Me. Because if you are in Sahaja Yoga, you’ll be looked after, your jobs, your health, your children, and I’ve no worry at all, in every way, you’ll be provided for. Because Sahaja Yoga is such a caring thing, it cares for you. But if you don’t care for your own Sahaja Yoga, you have to suffer, suffers in such a long way, don’t support your wife or husband in this kind of a nonsense. If they do it, you say: “We are going to leave you, go to hell; we have nothing to do with you.” I must warn you all because it’s now again, coming up in Australia, this kind of a dislocation. Now Steven is there who, I must say, has a bad luck because he’s got all the bad things, [Shri Mataji laughs] it’s a bad government, leaves debts on the next one coming, like that, it’s all on him and he is quite lenient. He, he must have thought, the others were very harsh, so I should be lenient. Son, he’s lenient. So people will start, you see, put things away. But everybody has to be self-disciplined in Sahaja Yoga. You must have that much sense, and that much self-esteem, self control, to have self-discipline yourself. Because whatever is good for you, you have taken up such a big job now, it’s to emancipate the whole humanity. It’s not talking, it’s just there. I’ve been telling everyone in Australia. I’m rather surprised how this idea is rolling up everywhere, that they should have separate houses. First I met with this idea and I blasted it out. I said:”Nothing doing.” I don’t know where you stay, what is your area, where, how am I to protect you? It’s just ego. One Indian girls was telling Me she’s so happy in an ashram, because there are other people in the house, you see, a burglar comes in, we are not worried because there are other people in the house. “I feel so safe, the children are looked after, if you are going out they’ll say: “Alright, we’ll look after your children you can go. “ And everything works out better. It’s much cheaper to live in an ashram, much less work, much less labour. And the real thing is the ascent part of it. It’s all ego, please face it, please face it. Ego and small mindedness, very small mindedness. You must have a proper vision of yourself, what you could be. You can be like the sky while you want to be like a ditch, what can you do? And our lifestyle is different; we have a close lifestyle, that’s why it’s more important. We are not like India. In India, every body will just [inaudible] each other, they are going into that house, and that house, nothing is close, except for so called little bit sophisticated, westernized. Otherwise, they meet everyone; talk to everyone, every body knows about everyone, everything. They keep a sort of big ashram we can say, [Shri Mataji smiles]. And there are certain rules and regulations that they follow among themselves, no problem. But this individualism is not going to help us at all, not at all. It’s a collective happening, you know that. It’s like if my nail is cut and put somewhere, I’m not going to bother about it. It’s selfishness, absolutely. I must tell you frankly, I must tell you the truth because I’m your Mother, I’m not going to tell you lies. I’m not going to please you, because I’m not standing for elections or anything, I am what I am; whether you accept Me or not, I am what I am. But I’ve to tell you the truth. Or else, if you have a large house, you can have some more people there staying with you, you can form an ashram. But don’t have your own family with you, my own children, my- once you go on “my, my” then I disappear. [Shri Mataji is smiling to a baby girl]She’s trying to talk to Me.[Laughter]Hello.Cause you laugh, now she’s self conscious.[Shri Mataji talks to the baby girl]What do I do? Raise their Kundalini?What is your idea? You want to raise their Kundalini? Yes, here [unsure] she understands.Oh, that’s catching. She is saying this.Correct.[Shri Mataji to a 3 years old girl]Alright, thank you very much. Oh, beautiful, oh, oh.A mint [sweet] with a hole, like Sahaja Yogis, a with a hole. [Shri Mataji laughs] Alright. This is something serious; it should be understood seriously, not to be heard from one ear: “Oh, Mother says so this thing, nothing’s there.” You must understand, it’s very important and that they get cancer, come to Me: “Mother we’ve got cancer.” “What were you doing?” “We were saying things separately.” “Why?” “Where [why?] will you stay?”[Shri Mataji is eating the sweet] If they really got troubles from the head of [?] called the leaders, you must let Me know. Well, this is as simple as anything. I’m your Mother, I’ve given you the second birth, why shouldn’t you write to Me? Everything well, what so ever.I’ll be always with you, whatever may happen and whosoever you may be. First, you have done some mistakes, it’s alright that I tell you, it’s dirty [inaudible], but otherwise you must tell Me everything. It’s very important. I’m not only you Guru, but I’m your Mother. Do you find anything wrong with Me that you don’t tell Me? If you write nonsensical things, twenty fours pages letter, still I’ll read. Though I know it’s nonsense, still I read it. So, I expect you to write to Me about yourself, about your children, anything wrong in the whole leadership, or anything like that, you must write to Me. Anything you are doing, you should write to Me, what you are doing about Sahaja Yoga, you should write to Me, because God will ask you: “What did you do for Sahaja Yoga?” Mother gave you Realization, She travelled all the way, every where She went, did this, did that. I mean, I’m, I’m [???] now, that I’m neither living in my house nor in an ashram. I’m just in the air all the time. I live more in the aeroplanes than in the houses. And we must also do something else, isn’t it? We should work it out a little bit for Mother. What are we doing here? How many places you have been? Where did you arrange the program? Like that, you have to think. But if you are not collective, you’ll never think like this. Because your attention will be: "Now my house is there, this has to be paid, that has to be done and I have to get this.” But if you’re in an ashram you’ll think: “How we’ll spread Sahaja Yoga?” That will be the main topic on your head. Alright, so now, at the very beginning I didn’t want to say all these things but I felt that it is important, very important. So basically, that point is: all should sit down and think it over that we have to have a place which is our own, may be on rent, doesn’t matter, you own your own, it’s better. There’s that house that is good, this house is good, that house is good, that house is good, go on saying, that house is good, you like it, Alright have it. Which ever house you’ll like. That’s how you’ll look after. But you must decide, you have to look after and find a house. I Myself was seeking one house for you. We will point out: see the vibrations and go ahead with it. We are not here- Sahaja Yoga is not for the people who re by-the-way. No. On the contrary, they become like the murmuring souls that Christ has described. He said: “Murmuring souls are the worst people” Those who are not there are- alright, because they will be destroyed in any case. But those who are half way, they’ll have a much worst time. All of you should combine and go through everything. And you must let Me know f there’s any problem, alright? So now for today, let us see and just try to find out, if possible, if there’s any house, when I’m here. I would love to [inaudible].[Applause].Children always like company, they fell lonely if they are given some separate, they don’t like it. When they are with company they enjoy, they don’t like to live alone. Then why should we? We are people who are Ganapatis, we are innocent people, why should we have all other things like the useless grown-ups have.You ask children: as soon as they see each other, they’ll hug, they’ll kiss each other, they’ll talk to each other, they always want the company of the children. You can’t keep them separate. And then happiness will come, then joy will come, then security will come and mainly the growth. Alright? Now so may God bless you.Now you’d better go and look out for a house. [Shri Mataji laughs]I asked- Delhi people have built a house. There are also bureaucrats and stupid people there. And they built such a nice ashram there. So I said: “What about some people staying there.” Of course, they go very often, live very often and Indians are, there’s a rapport all the time, they contact each other, open house they have. So they said: “Mother you”- I said: "There are so many ashrams, and in how many ashrams I’m going to live and what about you people living there?” So ashrams are built for Me only. [Shri Mataji laughs] That is so funny. So I will request you now to give up all these ideas, otherwise I’m not responsible for you at all. Not at all, I tell you, it’s impossible. And, if it was only one case or two cases, I would have said: “Alright, doesn’t matter, we’ll see.” But it’s so common now that I’m frightened, absolutely frightened. I don’t want my children to be lost. They all have to be in one boat. Otherwise some are in the water, some are hanging to the boat and some are inside. I don’t like that kind of things. No mother would like, I don’t feel peaceful with you, I fell very nervous. Alright? So you understand My concern about you and I mean it, I really mean it. See this. May God bless you.In any case, I’m working it out within Myself, and you also work it out. [While walking out, Shri Mataji speaks to the same baby girl; inaudible]

Talk to Sahaja Yogis in Canberra, Australia, 20th March 1990 Shri Mataji: Let’s sit. So now, please be seated.Please remove this one, if you can take it out.Please, be seated. [Cut in the audio] We are all just the same, it’s one of the very important things we have to achieve, that we are all just the same, there’s no difference between us.Apart from that, from our mundane life, it’s better that we stay in the ashram because children are looked after, children become much more social, sensible and they understand mediation. And there’s a sort of discipline about it, meditation, people do meditation. In the house, they say: “Oh, I’m alright on my own” and this and that. I know there have been problems, I agreed, there has been very bad leaders, and they were Australians, what can I do? You are all Australians. I mean, I had to choose someone and the first who came to Sahaja Yoga, one after another. So they had to be appointed with. They turned out to be bad leaders, that’s-I don’t know- that’s the lack of Australia I think.[Shri Mataji laughs]Alright, but doesn’t matter. Yu should not rebel, you should stay in the ashram, that’s very bad to rebel or to create problems for collectivity, it’s sinful, and one has to pay for it. Those who create problems for collectivity are already paying through their noses,I know people, they develop- well, I don’t mean it at all, I don’t want it- they feel so frightened, that I’ve known people who’ve got cancers, have got heart attacks, have got horrible diseases. So, it’s very dangerous to do all these things, to get out of ashrams, form their own groups and work out that way, it’s very dangerous, it’s going against God, absolutely, it’s like cutting God’s hands and feet. Nobody should try that. If you have any problem with the leaders you can directly write to me, I’ve been telling everybody. Why don’t you write to me? They’ll write about everything, my hair are falling, my nose is becoming smaller, [Laughter] Alls sorts of nonsense, twelve pages, they’ll write.But they never write what’s wrong with you, what’s wrong with the leader. And it’s very surprising, not one person wrote to Me till I discovered myself. Everything I discovered myself. Nobody wrote to me anything about them. Then they move schools, they sell things, nobody tells Me anything about it. I was surprised when the school was moved from there to Sydney, without asking Me, without asking Me to give – what this Barwood [unsure], they bought that, gave up that place in Queue [unsure]. I never knew! No one writes to Me! I mean, I have direct relationships with you.Of course, one has to have somebody, one person, to whom to contact, isn’t it? After all, I can’t write at all of them.But if you find anything wrong in the contract you must inform. But without ashrams, I don’t think you can be Sahaja Yogis, by any chance. By any chance, take it from Me. You cannot be Sahaja Yogis and you cannot be protected either, not at all.Today, may be, if some people have gained some fame, some money, something that’s not going to help you. Modern times are going to be terrible. It’s very wrong to do such things. You don’t know you are playing with fire. I already told you in Sahaja Yoga there are two forces, centripetal and centrifuge. So according to the centripetal force, you are attracted in the centre. But centrifuge, you are thrown at a time jet [unsure]. But when you get out of the control of God’s regime, then you fall into the trap. Anything can happen to you. I know of somebody who was just trying to be funny about Sahaja Yoga, he got into extreme and died very suddenly. I was so chocked, The reports came that he’s started talking against Sahaja Yoga, he wanted to get out of Sahaja Yoga, he wanted to take some people and made a group and things like that. It’s very dangerous. Not for you but for your children and for the progeny of the whole lot. You are playing with fire, you must know this is a tremendous thing we are doing now. It’s a tremendous task. It’s a very great work we are doing, emancipation of the whole humanity. And you can’t take liberties with it like this. Of course, there are a lot of blessings and advantages. But that doesn’t mean that we have the right to exploit it, by any chance. So please, immediately try to find some ashram, I want to protect your children, protect you all. If you are not in the ashram, I don’t know what will happen. And I’m not responsible, I must tell you very frankly, Recently, you must have heard about Germany’s, things that happened. In Germany, this Hugo, is there, another Australian. He got some bhoot in him, I don’t know what happened. He suddenly got up and said: “I can also do Sahaja Yoga, why not?” And he was thinking he can form a group. He had already sent away two, three people from Russia. There was one mister Thomas who was an old Sahaja Yogi, he was nice. So when Hugo went there, he said: ‘No, nothing doing, I’d close the door, I don’t want to hear anything of this mother, I don’t want to hear anything about it. Just don’t tell me.” So mister Hugo went to another Sahaja Yogi who was, I would say, half-baked one, must have been. So they said, we’ll start another ashram, we’ll start everything do that about that. And the wife was rather obedient and she listened to all the nonsense that he was talking. And can you imagine? She got cancer and she died. She came at a, absolutely, galloping stage to Shuddy camp. She confessed all this to Me. And her husband is dead also now, a cancer [inaudible]. Because now, you are no more in the realm of God, finished. There’s no other worry, except for this, to Me. Because if you are in Sahaja Yoga, you’ll be looked after, your jobs, your health, your children, and I’ve no worry at all, in every way, you’ll be provided for. Because Sahaja Yoga is such a caring thing, it cares for you. But if you don’t care for your own Sahaja Yoga, you have to suffer, suffers in such a long way, don’t support your wife or husband in this kind of a nonsense. If they do it, you say: “We are going to leave you, go to hell; we have nothing to do with you.” I must warn you all because it’s now again, coming up in Australia, this kind of a dislocation. Now Steven is there who, I must say, has a bad luck because he’s got all the bad things, [Shri Mataji laughs] it’s a bad government, leaves debts on the next one coming, like that, it’s all on him and he is quite lenient. He, he must have thought, the others were very harsh, so I should be lenient. Son, he’s lenient. So people will start, you see, put things away. But everybody has to be self-disciplined in Sahaja Yoga. You must have that much sense, and that much self-esteem, self control, to have self-discipline yourself. Because whatever is good for you, you have taken up such a big job now, it’s to emancipate the whole humanity. It’s not talking, it’s just there. I’ve been telling everyone in Australia. I’m rather surprised how this idea is rolling up everywhere, that they should have separate houses. First I met with this idea and I blasted it out. I said:”Nothing doing.” I don’t know where you stay, what is your area, where, how am I to protect you? It’s just ego. One Indian girls was telling Me she’s so happy in an ashram, because there are other people in the house, you see, a burglar comes in, we are not worried because there are other people in the house. “I feel so safe, the children are looked after, if you are going out they’ll say: “Alright, we’ll look after your children you can go. “ And everything works out better. It’s much cheaper to live in an ashram, much less work, much less labour. And the real thing is the ascent part of it. It’s all ego, please face it, please face it. Ego and small mindedness, very small mindedness. You must have a proper vision of yourself, what you could be. You can be like the sky while you want to be like a ditch, what can you do? And our lifestyle is different; we have a close lifestyle, that’s why it’s more important. We are not like India. In India, every body will just [inaudible] each other, they are going into that house, and that house, nothing is close, except for so called little bit sophisticated, westernized. Otherwise, they meet everyone; talk to everyone, every body knows about everyone, everything. They keep a sort of big ashram we can say, [Shri Mataji smiles]. And there are certain rules and regulations that they follow among themselves, no problem. But this individualism is not going to help us at all, not at all. It’s a collective happening, you know that. It’s like if my nail is cut and put somewhere, I’m not going to bother about it. It’s selfishness, absolutely. I must tell you frankly, I must tell you the truth because I’m your Mother, I’m not going to tell you lies. I’m not going to please you, because I’m not standing for elections or anything, I am what I am; whether you accept Me or not, I am what I am. But I’ve to tell you the truth. Or else, if you have a large house, you can have some more people there staying with you, you can form an ashram. But don’t have your own family with you, my own children, my- once you go on “my, my” then I disappear. [Shri Mataji is smiling to a baby girl]She’s trying to talk to Me.[Laughter]Hello.Cause you laugh, now she’s self conscious.[Shri Mataji talks to the baby girl]What do I do? Raise their Kundalini?What is your idea? You want to raise their Kundalini? Yes, here [unsure] she understands.Oh, that’s catching. She is saying this.Correct.[Shri Mataji to a 3 years old girl]Alright, thank you very much. Oh, beautiful, oh, oh.A mint [sweet] with a hole, like Sahaja Yogis, a with a hole. [Shri Mataji laughs] Alright. This is something serious; it should be understood seriously, not to be heard from one ear: “Oh, Mother says so this thing, nothing’s there.” You must understand, it’s very important and that they get cancer, come to Me: “Mother we’ve got cancer.” “What were you doing?” “We were saying things separately.” “Why?” “Where [why?] will you stay?”[Shri Mataji is eating the sweet] If they really got troubles from the head of [?] called the leaders, you must let Me know. Well, this is as simple as anything. I’m your Mother, I’ve given you the second birth, why shouldn’t you write to Me? Everything well, what so ever.I’ll be always with you, whatever may happen and whosoever you may be. First, you have done some mistakes, it’s alright that I tell you, it’s dirty [inaudible], but otherwise you must tell Me everything. It’s very important. I’m not only you Guru, but I’m your Mother. Do you find anything wrong with Me that you don’t tell Me? If you write nonsensical things, twenty fours pages letter, still I’ll read. Though I know it’s nonsense, still I read it. So, I expect you to write to Me about yourself, about your children, anything wrong in the whole leadership, or anything like that, you must write to Me. Anything you are doing, you should write to Me, what you are doing about Sahaja Yoga, you should write to Me, because God will ask you: “What did you do for Sahaja Yoga?” Mother gave you Realization, She travelled all the way, every where She went, did this, did that. I mean, I’m, I’m [???] now, that I’m neither living in my house nor in an ashram. I’m just in the air all the time. I live more in the aeroplanes than in the houses. And we must also do something else, isn’t it? We should work it out a little bit for Mother. What are we doing here? How many places you have been? Where did you arrange the program? Like that, you have to think. But if you are not collective, you’ll never think like this. Because your attention will be: "Now my house is there, this has to be paid, that has to be done and I have to get this.” But if you’re in an ashram you’ll think: “How we’ll spread Sahaja Yoga?” That will be the main topic on your head. Alright, so now, at the very beginning I didn’t want to say all these things but I felt that it is important, very important. So basically, that point is: all should sit down and think it over that we have to have a place which is our own, may be on rent, doesn’t matter, you own your own, it’s better. There’s that house that is good, this house is good, that house is good, that house is good, go on saying, that house is good, you like it, Alright have it. Which ever house you’ll like. That’s how you’ll look after. But you must decide, you have to look after and find a house. I Myself was seeking one house for you. We will point out: see the vibrations and go ahead with it. We are not here- Sahaja Yoga is not for the people who re by-the-way. No. On the contrary, they become like the murmuring souls that Christ has described. He said: “Murmuring souls are the worst people” Those who are not there are- alright, because they will be destroyed in any case. But those who are half way, they’ll have a much worst time. All of you should combine and go through everything. And you must let Me know f there’s any problem, alright? So now for today, let us see and just try to find out, if possible, if there’s any house, when I’m here. I would love to [inaudible].[Applause].Children always like company, they fell lonely if they are given some separate, they don’t like it. When they are with company they enjoy, they don’t like to live alone. Then why should we? We are people who are Ganapatis, we are innocent people, why should we have all other things like the useless grown-ups have.You ask children: as soon as they see each other, they’ll hug, they’ll kiss each other, they’ll talk to each other, they always want the company of the children. You can’t keep them separate. And then happiness will come, then joy will come, then security will come and mainly the growth. Alright? Now so may God bless you.Now you’d better go and look out for a house. [Shri Mataji laughs]I asked- Delhi people have built a house. There are also bureaucrats and stupid people there. And they built such a nice ashram there. So I said: “What about some people staying there.” Of course, they go very often, live very often and Indians are, there’s a rapport all the time, they contact each other, open house they have. So they said: “Mother you”- I said: "There are so many ashrams, and in how many ashrams I’m going to live and what about you people living there?” So ashrams are built for Me only. [Shri Mataji laughs] That is so funny. So I will request you now to give up all these ideas, otherwise I’m not responsible for you at all. Not at all, I tell you, it’s impossible. And, if it was only one case or two cases, I would have said: “Alright, doesn’t matter, we’ll see.” But it’s so common now that I’m frightened, absolutely frightened. I don’t want my children to be lost. They all have to be in one boat. Otherwise some are in the water, some are hanging to the boat and some are inside. I don’t like that kind of things. No mother would like, I don’t feel peaceful with you, I fell very nervous. Alright? So you understand My concern about you and I mean it, I really mean it. See this. May God bless you.In any case, I’m working it out within Myself, and you also work it out. [While walking out, Shri Mataji speaks to the same baby girl; inaudible]

3/21/1990

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Conversation with Yogis, Departure Sydney Airport, Sydney (Australia), March, 21st, 1990 Now you have to be very careful, alright. And don’t allow collectitivty to be broken by anyone. I now feel that [Gibs?] was a very evil person, very evil man. He has harmed so many people, he has made so many people get out of Sahaja Yoga, also he tortured some people, he beat some people, not only he wiped himself but he was not a very good man, he’s an evil man. And if such a person tries to talk to you, or telephones to talk, just you tell him that: “We have no faith in you, we don’t talk to you”. Cause you will have troubles, you’ll have troubles, I’m telling you. Such people, you should never talk to or discuss anything. Just say: “We have nothing to do, you just don’t talk to us.” Alright? Please be careful. Because I’ve seen people who do all these things can bring lot of harm. As I told you the case in Germany, where two people got cancer. You don’t listen to him you just say: “We don’t want to talk you, we have nothing to do with you, we don’t know you.” “We have no faith in you”. Just say that. Because also very cunning, you see. Accounts are so horrible and God knows what he has been doing, where the money was going you see, impossible to locate and find out. It’s a very difficult situation. You’d be careful not to fall prey or anything like that, alright? We all have to be together and we have to help each other and understand. And he’s, he’s [kicking?] actually all Indian boys. And what he’s telling now is very wrong. They have come all the way from there and [kicking] them and [kicking?] Indian girls, was very wrong of him. Please, be very careful and whatever one person has done, you all can neutralize it and it should not be difficult, all of you put together. I think better beat him with shoes for some time, so that those ideas do not stick on you. Then he started thinking of himself being God or what, I don’t know he [inaudible] to be a Goddess. [Inaudible] Paul? Paul, I wanted to talk to you. You’ll be careful of such a person, alright? Did you hear Me Michael? Did you hear what I said? Sahaja Yogi: Excuse Mother, I can’t hear you. Shri Mataji: I see. Alright, they’ll tell you what I told. Alright, be careful. Take care. These are satanic forces. Once it’s accepted- anybody can accept them- and then you’ll go on making Sahaja Yoga. It’s a gone case. [Shri Mataji speaks aside; inaudible; 5:13 to 5:56] Shri Mataj: No, you see, what they were saying, if you demand proper like that [inaudible] If you have any problem you should write to Me instead of getting out of Sahaja Yoga, then you also develop your Agnya, you will develop all these [inaudible] and all these things happen. What’s the use to do like Elio ? He was so stupid. Why didn’t he write to Me? And now his Agnya is so bad that nobody can talk to him, he doesn’t want to hear it. And thirdly this Niranjanan, you see, this is another horrible lot. She has started herself as a guru now. [Shri Mataji laughs] All kinds of things I think prosper. But if you expand yourself there won’t be this stagnation. In stagnation, what are only such people do [unsure]. 7:09 He was like- he was like all the people in India. We have met so many people in Ganapatipule, you must write to them. You people, never write to anyone. If you write to them, they will know what is happening there and what is happening here. You all have to write all the time. Write to each other, find out about each other. And the lady who’s from Russia, I’ll have to tell her about that their leader is very much there [unsure]. Can you tell her? She’s the one? Sahaja Yogi: Gavin. Shri Mataji: You know Russian. Or the one who know Russians will [inaudible]. She met Me in there. Sahaja Yogi: I’m afraid you have to come to the counter, because they have to sight all the test. Shri Mataji: Alright. It’s time to say goodbye. Alright? Goodbye. 8:06 [Sahaja Yogis are giving flowers. Shri Mataji goes to the gate.]

Conversation with Yogis, Departure Sydney Airport, Sydney (Australia), March, 21st, 1990 Now you have to be very careful, alright. And don’t allow collectitivty to be broken by anyone. I now feel that [Gibs?] was a very evil person, very evil man. He has harmed so many people, he has made so many people get out of Sahaja Yoga, also he tortured some people, he beat some people, not only he wiped himself but he was not a very good man, he’s an evil man. And if such a person tries to talk to you, or telephones to talk, just you tell him that: “We have no faith in you, we don’t talk to you”. Cause you will have troubles, you’ll have troubles, I’m telling you. Such people, you should never talk to or discuss anything. Just say: “We have nothing to do, you just don’t talk to us.” Alright? Please be careful. Because I’ve seen people who do all these things can bring lot of harm. As I told you the case in Germany, where two people got cancer. You don’t listen to him you just say: “We don’t want to talk you, we have nothing to do with you, we don’t know you.” “We have no faith in you”. Just say that. Because also very cunning, you see. Accounts are so horrible and God knows what he has been doing, where the money was going you see, impossible to locate and find out. It’s a very difficult situation. You’d be careful not to fall prey or anything like that, alright? We all have to be together and we have to help each other and understand. And he’s, he’s [kicking?] actually all Indian boys. And what he’s telling now is very wrong. They have come all the way from there and [kicking] them and [kicking?] Indian girls, was very wrong of him. Please, be very careful and whatever one person has done, you all can neutralize it and it should not be difficult, all of you put together. I think better beat him with shoes for some time, so that those ideas do not stick on you. Then he started thinking of himself being God or what, I don’t know he [inaudible] to be a Goddess. [Inaudible] Paul? Paul, I wanted to talk to you. You’ll be careful of such a person, alright? Did you hear Me Michael? Did you hear what I said? Sahaja Yogi: Excuse Mother, I can’t hear you. Shri Mataji: I see. Alright, they’ll tell you what I told. Alright, be careful. Take care. These are satanic forces. Once it’s accepted- anybody can accept them- and then you’ll go on making Sahaja Yoga. It’s a gone case. [Shri Mataji speaks aside; inaudible; 5:13 to 5:56] Shri Mataj: No, you see, what they were saying, if you demand proper like that [inaudible] If you have any problem you should write to Me instead of getting out of Sahaja Yoga, then you also develop your Agnya, you will develop all these [inaudible] and all these things happen. What’s the use to do like Elio ? He was so stupid. Why didn’t he write to Me? And now his Agnya is so bad that nobody can talk to him, he doesn’t want to hear it. And thirdly this Niranjanan, you see, this is another horrible lot. She has started herself as a guru now. [Shri Mataji laughs] All kinds of things I think prosper. But if you expand yourself there won’t be this stagnation. In stagnation, what are only such people do [unsure]. 7:09 He was like- he was like all the people in India. We have met so many people in Ganapatipule, you must write to them. You people, never write to anyone. If you write to them, they will know what is happening there and what is happening here. You all have to write all the time. Write to each other, find out about each other. And the lady who’s from Russia, I’ll have to tell her about that their leader is very much there [unsure]. Can you tell her? She’s the one? Sahaja Yogi: Gavin. Shri Mataji: You know Russian. Or the one who know Russians will [inaudible]. She met Me in there. Sahaja Yogi: I’m afraid you have to come to the counter, because they have to sight all the test. Shri Mataji: Alright. It’s time to say goodbye. Alright? Goodbye. 8:06 [Sahaja Yogis are giving flowers. Shri Mataji goes to the gate.]

3/21/1990

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Birthday Puja: Sincerity

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Puja for the 67° Birthday, Sydney (Australia), 21 March 1990. What enthusiasm all over the world! The whole of Sydney, I think, has been drenched of all their flowers. And such nice things to say, the cards and the letters and the beautiful poems, the children are singing beautifully. Words fail to express the feelings of such jubilation and such sincere feeling of happiness. You needed a Mother to look after you, to care for you and to be able to transform you with lot of wisdom. So every birthday I find that Sahaja Yogis are also expanding their hearts and realizing that they are no more drops but they are part and parcel of the ocean and that the ocean itself is going to strengthen them and look after them. It’s the ocean that is going to nourish them. And the same ocean is going to guide them. So the connection between a drop and an ocean has to be fully established. So the limitations of a drop have to be absolutely dissolved into the greatness of the ocean. With care and with nice things to say we can improve the depth of the collectivity, and with sincere desire to be collective. The desire to be collective has to be very sincere.So, this expanse of your being will start.The first thing is needed: a sincerity to yourself. Of course, because we are coming from a drop status, from a drop, a little limited drop, from that phase, so we get engulfed again and again into those limitations. But we must see our own vision: what you will be in future, what you want to be in future. Thus the sincerity itself to the idea that you want to be collective, itself, will break all barriers. If you are sincere to any purpose, anything, then you forget the time, you forget the labor, you forget everything, you want to achieve it, even in small things. Now, this sincerity comes from where? There are two things which work out sincerity. Firstly, you must see for yourself what is Sahaja Yoga, what it has given you. It has given you Realization, it has given you that wider vision, it has given you collective consciousness, it has given you thoughtless awareness and doubtless awareness. It has made a new personality out of you, like an egg becoming a bird. And now you are a bird and you cannot go back to the shell again. Once you realize what Sahaja Yoga has done for you and also realize what you have achieved in that: that is you have achieved the knowledge, knowledge of Kundalini which was a secret knowledge all these years, absolutely secret knowledge. Nobody knew about it, it was all underground. All the knowledge about Kundalini you have, very clearly, without going to any college, school, university, anywhere. Without going to any laboratories you have experimented with it, you’ve found out what is Kundalini. You have seen it with your own eyes, you’ve seen it, the rising of the Kundalini, you have given Realization to people. Already you have experienced not only the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost but you have also experienced your own powers. Also you have seen that you have really become so much different from what you were in your knowledge of understanding things. So, if your knowledge is so much with you and that you are entitled to raise the Kundalini of others, which was not done by any great saints before, by any great Seers, Maharshis, all these great people who lived. Only very, very few people had this capacity to raise the Kundalini, all these years, that you have got it. You understand what are the chakras and you can diagnose it, even the children can do it. Which we don’t realize is something so great! At a human level we didn’t know a word about it. We never even had heard the word ‘Kundalini’! And in such a short time you have become so knowledgeable! That’s the blessing of Sahaja Yoga. So, when you see this: that you have so much knowledge and the light of your attention, how it works. And then you see so many blessings that work out and how automatically, just without doing anything, you achieve results, you are amazed and you can’t understand how it has happened, how it has worked out. Suddenly I was there, this happened. Suddenly I was there, that happened. How? This ocean is every moment, into all details, working out things. All these happenings should open your eyes to the fact that you are no more like an ordinary human being, that you are sages now, that you are saints. So, our attitude has to be changed. So many human beings are still animals: you can see the way they are killing, the way they are behaving – they are not even human beings. We live with them, we see them every day: they are criminals and not only that but they have very low level of a culture in them. We can easily call them as animals. Then, we have some human beings who are half animals and half human beings. Then, we have some human beings who are really human beings, who are seekers. And this understanding of what you have achieved in Sahaja Yoga should immediately make you realize what you are. And when it all has happened to us, automatically, you should be very sincere about it, you must feel that something really you have achieved, there’s something so great, so we have to be sincere, mentally also you should feel that way. So, this is first thing you do is to mentally feel, to mentally feel that it’s so important, it is so – it is so important, it is so valuable. You become very sincere about it. But the second part is different: where you see something, you know something and you start opening your heart about it. In the second part you have to open your heart. So, the sincerity comes from an open heart: if your heart is not open, you cannot be sincere. Now, what does it mean that your heart is not open? Let us see. You are born again, you have got your Realization. Also it is your birthday in a way. But in the growth of your knowledge and understanding, you have not kept pace with your heart. But what is the reason for that? What is it that keeps your heart like that? You can discover very easily that your heart rules the body, rules your brain, everything. Because if your heart stops, everything stops. But if your brain stops, heart won’t stop. So, heart is the most important thing and it governs the whole being within you. Now, this special instrument, which is very delicate, which circulates also, is like a stone. How will it pulsate? So, when we say ‘enlarge your heart’, it means that the stoniness of your heart has to be melted away. But how does it become stony? We have to go to the roots of that. It becomes like a stone because the heart controls the brain. As there are seven auras on your brain, in the same way, there are seven auras on your heart. And all those auras are the ones which control the auras of the brain. Now, on the brain, as you know, there are two institutions of ego and conditionings, which starts pressing the brain too much. As a result, all these auras get pressed. So, the auras which are surrounding the heart also get pressed. But brain can think: ‘Yes, this is very good. I know how to raise Kundalini, I know how to do this, everything I know’, part tells (?). It doesn’t become stony that way, it can think. Anybody who is a stone-hearted fellow can think. Like Hitler. So, the brain does not get affected by the conditioning or the ego to such an extent that it becomes like a stone, it cannot think. If it is ego too much… If it’s an ego, then a person may become stupid, but he thinks, he thinks all right. He really becomes stupid. Anybody who is an egoist, whose Agnya is catching, becomes a stupid fellow, no doubt about it. You see in his behaviour, whenever he talks, the way he is trying to do anything, he’s such a show-off and he becomes a stupid fellow. Any wise person can see that, that he is such a stupid man. So, what we find, that mind is covered with the superego but it does not make a person with a brain which is stony. On the contrary, it makes a person a stupid person, not a stone-headed. And such a stupid man can go on talking all kinds of things. And you can immediately recognize such a stupid man, not difficult. The other side of this is the conditionings in the mind. That’s even a worse thing, very sly. Because somebody has the conditionings, he doesn’t come out of it. He doesn’t show off, but he’s sly and his brain is covered with such ideas which are asahaj. Like somebody saw Me, in a Puja, washing My hands and giving that water; he said: ‘Why do you take the water which is washed, which is washing Mother’s hands?’ So, the other one said: ‘Mother has got such tremendous vibrations in Her hands, that when we wash them, the vibrations come in.’ Oh, he couldn’t believe it! Because the conditionings are that whenever you wash your hands, only the dirt comes out. So, they can’t think of vibrations. All such conditionings are there in the mind of people. Because of these conditionings they cannot take to heart. But what happens that they think about it in a very sly manner, tell lies, talk nonsensical things and try to convince you that they are right. They are not stupid, but they are idiotic. They talk like idiots. And that idiotic thing you accept! There’s no wisdom in it. So, one fellow is a stupid fellow, another one is an idiot. Between the two lies the Sahaja Yogi. So, this conditioning makes the brain pervert, but it doesn’t make it a stone. Only what makes it a stone is that if he is born with some sort of a mental derangement, that he cannot think, otherwise the brain goes on thinking. Whether with conditionings or with ego, it goes on thinking. Such a brain should not affect the heart, because heart affects the brain. But the auras which are manifested from the heart start becoming dull or disappearing. So the auras around the heart are very sensitive and they feel: ‘No use throwing light on the brain’. They start becoming smaller and smaller and that’s how the heart becomes small. Because they have no purpose in life there, so they start becoming smaller and smaller. As a result, the heart becomes small. You call somebody as very small-hearted fellow, is a chicken-hearted fellow or we always say such a man is a ‘stone-hearted person’. All this happens because of the conditionings and the ego of the human mind and the result is felt by the heart becoming a stone, because heart is a sensitive thing. Brain is not that sensitive. If you put something soft in the water, it becomes hard, but if you put a stone in the water and boil it, it won’t. So, heart being very sensitive and delicate becomes like a stone, like as you boil in the heat of the brain waves. And it becomes a very hard stone. It does not know how to say even one word which is nice. It goes on hitting people all the time, saying things which one should not have said, all the time thinking ‘What should we say to hurt another person? How should I try to really mislead another person?’ because it’s a sly attitude. The ego part, the heart becomes again frozen with ego and then the heart thinks – not thinks, but heart cannot emit any auras to the brain. The brain starts thinking that ‘Now, the area of heart is finished. The heart cannot control us any more.’ Then heart starts thinking that ‘I will do all the work myself.’ I mean, the head starts saying. And the heart becomes small, stony. It doesn’t act. So now, the brain takes over. The brain takes over and then brain starts. Brain starts itself acting in a manner that we can’t understand: they behave like animals, they behave like satanic people, they become very cruel and they do not know how to really say something good to others. There’s a kind of a very false pride in them and such people go on hurting others, insulting others till they meet another one like them and then both of them collapse. That’s the only snag in the whole thing, otherwise, you would have been finished by now. But because the two persons with ego cannot be together, they neutralize each other. So thank God we are saved from them. So these two conditionings, which actually are on the brain, these two conditions freeze the heart and also make the domain of heart as zero and then the brain starts asserting itself. That is how we do not know how to be kind to others, how to be nice, how to be helpful, how to be gentle and how to be reassuring, protecting others. All this we have inherited already. We have already got a stone heart when we come to Sahaja Yoga and we have a brain either full of ego or superego. So now, with your Kundalini rising, you can clear out your head, first of all. So, the sincerity will come when the Kundalini will move and touch your Brahmarandra, which is the seat of your heart and will expand. Then the heart just comes back like a king, returns back and starts dominating the brain. And when the heart comes back, you immediately find those people with whom we were angry, we would not talk, we had nothing to do, suddenly, we become friendly with them. There’s no problem. In many ways, people have harmed you. All that harming and everything just disappears. And you start becoming so nice and beautiful. What has happened that Kundalini has touched your Brahmarandra, where is the seat of heart. And as soon as that opens out, your heart also opens and it gets awakened. It thinks ‘Oh, what? I have allowed this brain to rule me? How dare it rules me!’ It just jumps on it. And we have seen people: suddenly, they’re so much transformed that it’s remarkable. There – one gentleman in America, he said that ‘Mother, after Realization I was so much changed that I’ve become a very mild person and I never used to wish my uncle or anyone.’ So he met him in some sort of a fete and then he said, ‘Hello, uncle!’ The uncle started looking at him. ‘Are you all right?’ He would never say that. Then he went and saw: ‘Are you all right, uncle? Are you keeping all right? Can I do something for you?’ Very nice things he said. Uncle said, ‘What have you been doing? Are you drunk or what? How can you speak so sweetly to me? I can’t believe it.’ That’s what happens. And that’s why we have to understand that all these things can be easily dropped out because we have acquired them. They can be finished off because we have acquired them. They need not be all our lives, our relations. So, ego and superego, both can be blasted off once your heart is awakened. So, when we are dealing with people, we have to break the ice also by communicating with others in a very decent manner. Like telling yourself, ‘No, I don’t believe that this man is so bad. Let me look after him, he may be all right. You see, I don’t think he’s so bad.’ So, to accept somebody as bad is very easy for human beings and once they start accepting such a thing, then they build up a kind of a fortress in which they live and they think they are the best people and nobody else are good. And thus, the whole community, the whole society, the whole humanity gets bitten by these ideas. And Sahaja Yoga is the only way which is going to cure it. Sahaja Yoga is the only way which is going to finish this. And that part is to be played by you people, to understand that sincerity can only come if you raise your Kundalini again and again and open your Brahmarandra. Then your heart will rise. It will become a very awakened personality and it will take charge of your brain, which is all the time thinking, thinking, thinking, like mad. And once that happens, then you will realize that now you have jumped into doubtless awareness. So, the relationship between the two has to be fully understood. At first, the domination of the heart or, we can say, the kinghood of heart is challenged, is put down, brought to zero. And then this brain becomes the king, and it starts ruling us. ‘I think…’, ‘I feel…’ means the brain, the ego. If you could give up ‘I think…’, ‘I want…’, everything will be all right. You should say, ‘“I want…” is not the point. This body wants it.’ You separate yourself. Gradually you start separating yourself from all such situations by never saying ‘I want…’ You should say, ‘This body…’, ‘This hand…’, ‘This head…’ You start separating. And once you have separated, all these barriers of ego and superego will disappear. But, as it is, also it’s very easy to get rid of these two. It’s very easy to get rid of these two. Only by raising your Kundalini and breaking your Brahmarandra. This is the greatest achievement that you have got, that you can break your Brahmarandra, make your Kundalini get connected with the All-pervading Power. That’s why I always say you must meditate and you must be in thoughtless awareness, then it works out. Don’t pay attention to outside things so much. Of course, you are, in a way, responsible for Sahaja Yoga, because you are sincere about it. You cannot force yourself. So, again and again I say, you weigh your sincerity. ‘How sincere am I to Sahaja Yoga?’ And some people just take it frivolously, saying ‘Mother, I was silly, I was confused.’ You cannot say that! You cannot say, because you owe these things to Sahaja Yoga. Everything you owe to Sahaja Yoga now. It’s a new life to you. So you cannot say ‘I was confused’ or ‘I was silly, I was stupid, I did this.’ You tell yourself you can’t do it. Mother has really worked very hard with full sincerity and we cannot be insincere about it. We don’t want to be hypocrites. This is hypocrisy, absolute hypocrisy. You say something and do something. If you have any sense of gratitude and self-respect, then you should never say that ‘By mistake, I did this, Mother’ or ‘I was confused, I was silly, I was stupid.’ That shows you are a very mediocre person and you have no sense of gratitude towards Sahaja Yoga nor towards yourself. But the best part of it, that I don’t need Sahaja Yog and that Sahaja Yoga does not need you. You need Sahaja Yoga. In itself, Sahaja Yoga is complete. It does not need you. It is a complete thing, will remain like that, absolutely. It will have its own position, its own status, its own dignity, everything intact. But if you have to get something out of it, you have to work it out. Like from the river Ganges, if you have to fetch the water, you must have proper pitchers which are deep enough to receive the water. But if you take a stone, what can you bring out of it? But the Ganges flows. It is what it is. It has its own capacities in it. It doesn’t change because you people have taken stones. So now you have to understand that raise your Kundalini as many times as you can. Try to put attention to your Kundalini all the time. See where is the problem is. Get it cleared out, absolutely cleared out. Find out where is the problem is and raise your Kundalini many a times and see that you are flowing all right on your fontanel bone area, so that your heart expands. It’s a mechanical process in a way, you can say. But even that you people don’t do. If you had done that, your heart would have increased. And you yourself will say, ‘Mother, my heart has become large like Asia.’ And then you see the miracle of the heart, how it emits vibrations by which you become such compassionate, such dynamic, beautiful people and so sincere to Sahaja Yoga. I would request you to open your heart today for this puja. You have been very jubilant and happy. And must be your heart must have opened because I’ve seen Sahaja Yogis have a very large heart for Me, but for themselves they don’t have. They’ll do everything for Me, but nothing for themselves. They’ll work morning till evening to decorate the hall, to do everything. They must have sent all these flowers to Me from I don’t know where. But if I tell them ‘You meditate for yourself’, that they will not do. Or ‘You achieve this for yourself’, that they will not do. This is the situation. So, instead of wasting all your energy for decorating all these things, you should decorate yourself within yourself. With sincerity, with nice thoughts about yourself that you are capable, absolutely capable people and you can use your imagination, your intelligence, rationality, whatever you think you have, to find the way, to find the way, again I say, to keep your heart large. And this is the message for today’s birthday all over the world because I felt that the whole world was today like a big heart pulsating. I received the last phone and came here. From all over the phones coming, flowers are showering, the beautiful nice things they are saying. Everything is there. When I am just drenched into it, just drenched, it was too much for Me. Such sweet, sweet things for the children, from the children, such things from the ladies, some very, very nice from the men and it was amazing how these people are bubbling with enjoyment that today is My birthday. In the same way, please consider that every day is your birthday, that you have to raise your Kundalini all the time and keep the standard of your Kundalini higher and higher. The more you open out, the more threads of Kundalini will come up and the more your heart will open out and it will be awakened, it will become more powerful. And with an open, big heart and a powerful heart, you can dominate your brain, which is giving you all these funny ideas. I hope this will happen this year here and people will try to make it a point that we have a large heart. Large heart doesn’t mean stupidity, doesn’t mean that. Large heart means the heart in which you can put Me in. It’s quite a big person, Myself, so you have to have a very large heart that I could reside into your heart. That is the large heart and that’s what you all should have. If that happens, then everything will work out very well. So, the surrendering part of it: you must know how to surrender and you must know how to keep whatever is not surrendered, because you surrender yourself in such a manner that you expand your heart absolutely. Put Me down there and then keep your flowers with you to be given to Me at a time when you are in complete control of yourself. So you have your emotions, your feelings like flowers, that you have to keep to yourself, which are the part of the same ocean of your heart. And, once you are ready, everything is done, if the whole house is ready, now bring the flowers, the emotions, the nice things, the beautiful things and nourish them. One must learn, I think, there should be some books about how to say nice things to others. We should try to find some books like that or should write some books how nice things could be said, how we can take care of others, how we can make another feel our love, the expression of love, and that work, such a book will really help people to understand that this is nice to say. And once you say something nice to other, that niceness comes back, as I have told you, like the ripples that touch the shores come back and then you feel very happy. Go on saying things which are nice, which are pleasing, will be very much appreciated. But if you say it with sincerity, not just to tease someone or to say something, just to be so superficially good, like ‘Thank you, thank you, thank you,’ but something from your heart, as they say, then you will be surprised that the heart of the another person will open and from that heart will flow those beautiful flowers of emotions towards you. So, on one side, you have to expand your heart and on another side, you have to reserve or preserve all the beautiful, nice, delicate feelings within yourself, absorbed from everywhere and then to pour them out at the right point. That’s the art. Like these flowers were in the garden first to begin with, preserved, preserved. At the right time they were brought in. So they feel more glorified that they are used at the right time. This is the way we have to be with ourselves in our heart because human beings are very delicate, very beautiful things and to beautify them you have to say beautiful things. This tongue is not for saying harsh things, for making fun of others, for teasing others, but is for saying something, such a beautiful thing that the another person also imbibes that beauty. I’ve seen some nice things people have said and that lingers in My mind. And I said, ‘When will I have chance to say these things to others?’ So, think about it, that ‘Now this is a very nice sentence,” ‘This was a very sweet thing they said. All right. So now, where should I use this?’ As I go to the shops, I see something: ‘Ah, that’s good. That will be good for particular person. Let’s buy that.’ In the same way, if you find these nice feelings and nice emotions and nice things said, then what do you do? You collect them, all these things, keep them and use them at the right time, at the right place. This is what is the wisdom of Shri Ganesha. Innocent people are the most sincere people, innocent people. Those who are clever and cunning cannot be sincere because they enjoy their cunningness, they enjoy their so-called ‘brilliance”. They can never be. Those people who are simple, who are loving, who care for love more than anything else, can only say very nice things sincerely. Today I wanted to say many things to you, how I feel about this birthday in Australia, but I told you the words fail. Because – see, Australia is such a far-off country. To come here with so many people sitting and singing ‘Agata Swagata’. It is unbelievable, unbelievable, because I have not given you any money, you have not given Me any money, you are not bound to say anything like that. But not only that you are doing it, but you are enjoying it. It’s something great. You’re enjoying it and that’s what it is: that when your heart is large, then whatever you do for others, you enjoy. You enjoy doing good things. You enjoy saying nice things. So we should have choicest flowers of beautiful sayings, we should have choicest emotions which we should be able to express to each other. Now start on that from today, I have to say: you start on this, that from 1990 we are all the time going to speak something beautiful to each other all the time and just keep your ears open, keep your eyes open and wherever you get a chance, wherever you hear something like that, keep it in your mind and use it back. Today I am so enamored and it is too much for Me, really, to believe even that there are so many Sahaja Yogis in Australia, which is so far away. Now it is your responsibility. It is your responsibility to be sincere about Sahaja Yoga, and in all sincerity, if you do everything, you’ll never think of such funny arguments which I’ve heard before. You’ll just think that ‘We love Mother and we have together, to be together, and we have to love each other and all the time we have to say nice things to each other so that the love increases.’ Anything else, anybody who tries to say things or break things or breaks somebody’s heart are doing sinful things. There’s sin. To break the heart of a saint is the greatest sin and they’ll be punished for that. So, now you are all saints and sages, you have to respect each other. Not only that, but you have to be enjoying your sincerity. That’s the way, I’m trying to say, enjoy your sincerity. And all these stupid thoughts come into your head, throw them away. Because I heard of so many arguments here and there and I thought ‘What is this? They are Sahaja Yogis or they are ordinary people of the street?’ This is happening and then the children, this happening, that. Now, about children also, I’ve been telling you that: send your children to India. In any case, you have been selfish about them. You know they are not developing all right. So send them to India. In that you have opened your heart because the whole world is your relation, the whole world is your family. You go anywhere in the whole world, you will find people who’ll love you, who’ll care for you, who’ll do everything for you. I mean, to know that in every place there is somebody sitting just waiting to meet you as your own! Just now I was thinking, ‘These musicians are going to Singapore. What will happen? Where will they stay?’ Big problem, trying this and that. Suddenly, I gave a bandhan, phone came from Bala. Bala told Me that ‘No, it’s perfectly all right. I’ll tell my mother. She’ll look after them.’ Problem solved. So, any such problems, your problems can be solved because you are sincere, but if you’re insincere, you’ll meet only insincere people and then you’ll go down, go down into your own estimation and estimation of others. And you’ll have no place in Sahaja Yoga. There’s no place for insincere people in Sahaj Yoga, so try to develop your sincerity. Raise your Kundalini as many times as you can. Keep it there. Keep it on Sahasrara and see that your heart opens. That’s the best way. They’ve been all asking Me ‘How to open our heart?’ I said, ‘Take the key.’ Now, I don’t know how to tell them. ‘Open your heart’ means just raise your Kundalini, keep to the Brahmarandra and see that the Brahmarandra opens. Not only that, but you see how by expanding your heart, by being nice to others, how you feel. There are some people who do not talk much, who do not meet others, who have reservations. They live as if they are living in the air, sort of people, must know there must be some badhas, some bhoots sitting on their heads, otherwise that’s a very unnatural behavior for a Sahaja Yogi. I’ve told you so many things today because I think the care, the love, the affection, the wisdom and the patience is to be imbibed. If I’m your Guru, if I am your Mother, you have to imbibe these qualities. For everything I’m worried. If somebody’s in trouble, I’m worried. I’ll try to get the problems sorted out of that person. Anyone who has a problem, I just – that sticks to Me till I have solved the problem. And I tell frankly also about, say, your children, I tell about your wife, about your husband that ‘This is not all right. This must be corrected’. Because I care for you. This is what should be your attitude towards Sahaja Yogis, Sahaja Yoga and that will strengthen you so much, because you care, that’s why others care. Can you imagine for an Indian woman like Me to have so many people who care for Me? Why should they care for Me, after all? All right, you are Sahaja Yogis, but there are people who are not Sahaja Yogis, I tell you, whom I, they are not Sahaja Yogis, whom I have met from My childhood, whom I know, my relations, – they all care for Me! Just one thing, because I care for them, I get bothered about them. Anybody who tells Me a problem, it is in My head, sticks there like a stamp. Till I’ve solved the problem, I’ll be looking out how to fix that problem. And I don’t have any problem of My own. In the same way, you should not have any problems of your own. Then only you can manage. All right now? So may God bless you! Next year I hope you all will be there for My birthday in India. We are going to organize the tour program like that, perhaps may be worked out. We have to also see if you can make something cheaper there to come down. We have to see many things. We can work it out. Before puja if you could give yourself bandhan nicely, seven times and then rise you Kundalini that would be better. H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Puja for the 67° Birthday, Sydney (Australia), 21 March 1990. What enthusiasm all over the world! The whole of Sydney, I think, has been drenched of all their flowers. And such nice things to say, the cards and the letters and the beautiful poems, the children are singing beautifully. Words fail to express the feelings of such jubilation and such sincere feeling of happiness. You needed a Mother to look after you, to care for you and to be able to transform you with lot of wisdom. So every birthday I find that Sahaja Yogis are also expanding their hearts and realizing that they are no more drops but they are part and parcel of the ocean and that the ocean itself is going to strengthen them and look after them. It’s the ocean that is going to nourish them. And the same ocean is going to guide them. So the connection between a drop and an ocean has to be fully established. So the limitations of a drop have to be absolutely dissolved into the greatness of the ocean. With care and with nice things to say we can improve the depth of the collectivity, and with sincere desire to be collective. The desire to be collective has to be very sincere.So, this expanse of your being will start.The first thing is needed: a sincerity to yourself. Of course, because we are coming from a drop status, from a drop, a little limited drop, from that phase, so we get engulfed again and again into those limitations. But we must see our own vision: what you will be in future, what you want to be in future. Thus the sincerity itself to the idea that you want to be collective, itself, will break all barriers. If you are sincere to any purpose, anything, then you forget the time, you forget the labor, you forget everything, you want to achieve it, even in small things. Now, this sincerity comes from where? There are two things which work out sincerity. Firstly, you must see for yourself what is Sahaja Yoga, what it has given you. It has given you Realization, it has given you that wider vision, it has given you collective consciousness, it has given you thoughtless awareness and doubtless awareness. It has made a new personality out of you, like an egg becoming a bird. And now you are a bird and you cannot go back to the shell again. Once you realize what Sahaja Yoga has done for you and also realize what you have achieved in that: that is you have achieved the knowledge, knowledge of Kundalini which was a secret knowledge all these years, absolutely secret knowledge. Nobody knew about it, it was all underground. All the knowledge about Kundalini you have, very clearly, without going to any college, school, university, anywhere. Without going to any laboratories you have experimented with it, you’ve found out what is Kundalini. You have seen it with your own eyes, you’ve seen it, the rising of the Kundalini, you have given Realization to people. Already you have experienced not only the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost but you have also experienced your own powers. Also you have seen that you have really become so much different from what you were in your knowledge of understanding things. So, if your knowledge is so much with you and that you are entitled to raise the Kundalini of others, which was not done by any great saints before, by any great Seers, Maharshis, all these great people who lived. Only very, very few people had this capacity to raise the Kundalini, all these years, that you have got it. You understand what are the chakras and you can diagnose it, even the children can do it. Which we don’t realize is something so great! At a human level we didn’t know a word about it. We never even had heard the word ‘Kundalini’! And in such a short time you have become so knowledgeable! That’s the blessing of Sahaja Yoga. So, when you see this: that you have so much knowledge and the light of your attention, how it works. And then you see so many blessings that work out and how automatically, just without doing anything, you achieve results, you are amazed and you can’t understand how it has happened, how it has worked out. Suddenly I was there, this happened. Suddenly I was there, that happened. How? This ocean is every moment, into all details, working out things. All these happenings should open your eyes to the fact that you are no more like an ordinary human being, that you are sages now, that you are saints. So, our attitude has to be changed. So many human beings are still animals: you can see the way they are killing, the way they are behaving – they are not even human beings. We live with them, we see them every day: they are criminals and not only that but they have very low level of a culture in them. We can easily call them as animals. Then, we have some human beings who are half animals and half human beings. Then, we have some human beings who are really human beings, who are seekers. And this understanding of what you have achieved in Sahaja Yoga should immediately make you realize what you are. And when it all has happened to us, automatically, you should be very sincere about it, you must feel that something really you have achieved, there’s something so great, so we have to be sincere, mentally also you should feel that way. So, this is first thing you do is to mentally feel, to mentally feel that it’s so important, it is so – it is so important, it is so valuable. You become very sincere about it. But the second part is different: where you see something, you know something and you start opening your heart about it. In the second part you have to open your heart. So, the sincerity comes from an open heart: if your heart is not open, you cannot be sincere. Now, what does it mean that your heart is not open? Let us see. You are born again, you have got your Realization. Also it is your birthday in a way. But in the growth of your knowledge and understanding, you have not kept pace with your heart. But what is the reason for that? What is it that keeps your heart like that? You can discover very easily that your heart rules the body, rules your brain, everything. Because if your heart stops, everything stops. But if your brain stops, heart won’t stop. So, heart is the most important thing and it governs the whole being within you. Now, this special instrument, which is very delicate, which circulates also, is like a stone. How will it pulsate? So, when we say ‘enlarge your heart’, it means that the stoniness of your heart has to be melted away. But how does it become stony? We have to go to the roots of that. It becomes like a stone because the heart controls the brain. As there are seven auras on your brain, in the same way, there are seven auras on your heart. And all those auras are the ones which control the auras of the brain. Now, on the brain, as you know, there are two institutions of ego and conditionings, which starts pressing the brain too much. As a result, all these auras get pressed. So, the auras which are surrounding the heart also get pressed. But brain can think: ‘Yes, this is very good. I know how to raise Kundalini, I know how to do this, everything I know’, part tells (?). It doesn’t become stony that way, it can think. Anybody who is a stone-hearted fellow can think. Like Hitler. So, the brain does not get affected by the conditioning or the ego to such an extent that it becomes like a stone, it cannot think. If it is ego too much… If it’s an ego, then a person may become stupid, but he thinks, he thinks all right. He really becomes stupid. Anybody who is an egoist, whose Agnya is catching, becomes a stupid fellow, no doubt about it. You see in his behaviour, whenever he talks, the way he is trying to do anything, he’s such a show-off and he becomes a stupid fellow. Any wise person can see that, that he is such a stupid man. So, what we find, that mind is covered with the superego but it does not make a person with a brain which is stony. On the contrary, it makes a person a stupid person, not a stone-headed. And such a stupid man can go on talking all kinds of things. And you can immediately recognize such a stupid man, not difficult. The other side of this is the conditionings in the mind. That’s even a worse thing, very sly. Because somebody has the conditionings, he doesn’t come out of it. He doesn’t show off, but he’s sly and his brain is covered with such ideas which are asahaj. Like somebody saw Me, in a Puja, washing My hands and giving that water; he said: ‘Why do you take the water which is washed, which is washing Mother’s hands?’ So, the other one said: ‘Mother has got such tremendous vibrations in Her hands, that when we wash them, the vibrations come in.’ Oh, he couldn’t believe it! Because the conditionings are that whenever you wash your hands, only the dirt comes out. So, they can’t think of vibrations. All such conditionings are there in the mind of people. Because of these conditionings they cannot take to heart. But what happens that they think about it in a very sly manner, tell lies, talk nonsensical things and try to convince you that they are right. They are not stupid, but they are idiotic. They talk like idiots. And that idiotic thing you accept! There’s no wisdom in it. So, one fellow is a stupid fellow, another one is an idiot. Between the two lies the Sahaja Yogi. So, this conditioning makes the brain pervert, but it doesn’t make it a stone. Only what makes it a stone is that if he is born with some sort of a mental derangement, that he cannot think, otherwise the brain goes on thinking. Whether with conditionings or with ego, it goes on thinking. Such a brain should not affect the heart, because heart affects the brain. But the auras which are manifested from the heart start becoming dull or disappearing. So the auras around the heart are very sensitive and they feel: ‘No use throwing light on the brain’. They start becoming smaller and smaller and that’s how the heart becomes small. Because they have no purpose in life there, so they start becoming smaller and smaller. As a result, the heart becomes small. You call somebody as very small-hearted fellow, is a chicken-hearted fellow or we always say such a man is a ‘stone-hearted person’. All this happens because of the conditionings and the ego of the human mind and the result is felt by the heart becoming a stone, because heart is a sensitive thing. Brain is not that sensitive. If you put something soft in the water, it becomes hard, but if you put a stone in the water and boil it, it won’t. So, heart being very sensitive and delicate becomes like a stone, like as you boil in the heat of the brain waves. And it becomes a very hard stone. It does not know how to say even one word which is nice. It goes on hitting people all the time, saying things which one should not have said, all the time thinking ‘What should we say to hurt another person? How should I try to really mislead another person?’ because it’s a sly attitude. The ego part, the heart becomes again frozen with ego and then the heart thinks – not thinks, but heart cannot emit any auras to the brain. The brain starts thinking that ‘Now, the area of heart is finished. The heart cannot control us any more.’ Then heart starts thinking that ‘I will do all the work myself.’ I mean, the head starts saying. And the heart becomes small, stony. It doesn’t act. So now, the brain takes over. The brain takes over and then brain starts. Brain starts itself acting in a manner that we can’t understand: they behave like animals, they behave like satanic people, they become very cruel and they do not know how to really say something good to others. There’s a kind of a very false pride in them and such people go on hurting others, insulting others till they meet another one like them and then both of them collapse. That’s the only snag in the whole thing, otherwise, you would have been finished by now. But because the two persons with ego cannot be together, they neutralize each other. So thank God we are saved from them. So these two conditionings, which actually are on the brain, these two conditions freeze the heart and also make the domain of heart as zero and then the brain starts asserting itself. That is how we do not know how to be kind to others, how to be nice, how to be helpful, how to be gentle and how to be reassuring, protecting others. All this we have inherited already. We have already got a stone heart when we come to Sahaja Yoga and we have a brain either full of ego or superego. So now, with your Kundalini rising, you can clear out your head, first of all. So, the sincerity will come when the Kundalini will move and touch your Brahmarandra, which is the seat of your heart and will expand. Then the heart just comes back like a king, returns back and starts dominating the brain. And when the heart comes back, you immediately find those people with whom we were angry, we would not talk, we had nothing to do, suddenly, we become friendly with them. There’s no problem. In many ways, people have harmed you. All that harming and everything just disappears. And you start becoming so nice and beautiful. What has happened that Kundalini has touched your Brahmarandra, where is the seat of heart. And as soon as that opens out, your heart also opens and it gets awakened. It thinks ‘Oh, what? I have allowed this brain to rule me? How dare it rules me!’ It just jumps on it. And we have seen people: suddenly, they’re so much transformed that it’s remarkable. There – one gentleman in America, he said that ‘Mother, after Realization I was so much changed that I’ve become a very mild person and I never used to wish my uncle or anyone.’ So he met him in some sort of a fete and then he said, ‘Hello, uncle!’ The uncle started looking at him. ‘Are you all right?’ He would never say that. Then he went and saw: ‘Are you all right, uncle? Are you keeping all right? Can I do something for you?’ Very nice things he said. Uncle said, ‘What have you been doing? Are you drunk or what? How can you speak so sweetly to me? I can’t believe it.’ That’s what happens. And that’s why we have to understand that all these things can be easily dropped out because we have acquired them. They can be finished off because we have acquired them. They need not be all our lives, our relations. So, ego and superego, both can be blasted off once your heart is awakened. So, when we are dealing with people, we have to break the ice also by communicating with others in a very decent manner. Like telling yourself, ‘No, I don’t believe that this man is so bad. Let me look after him, he may be all right. You see, I don’t think he’s so bad.’ So, to accept somebody as bad is very easy for human beings and once they start accepting such a thing, then they build up a kind of a fortress in which they live and they think they are the best people and nobody else are good. And thus, the whole community, the whole society, the whole humanity gets bitten by these ideas. And Sahaja Yoga is the only way which is going to cure it. Sahaja Yoga is the only way which is going to finish this. And that part is to be played by you people, to understand that sincerity can only come if you raise your Kundalini again and again and open your Brahmarandra. Then your heart will rise. It will become a very awakened personality and it will take charge of your brain, which is all the time thinking, thinking, thinking, like mad. And once that happens, then you will realize that now you have jumped into doubtless awareness. So, the relationship between the two has to be fully understood. At first, the domination of the heart or, we can say, the kinghood of heart is challenged, is put down, brought to zero. And then this brain becomes the king, and it starts ruling us. ‘I think…’, ‘I feel…’ means the brain, the ego. If you could give up ‘I think…’, ‘I want…’, everything will be all right. You should say, ‘“I want…” is not the point. This body wants it.’ You separate yourself. Gradually you start separating yourself from all such situations by never saying ‘I want…’ You should say, ‘This body…’, ‘This hand…’, ‘This head…’ You start separating. And once you have separated, all these barriers of ego and superego will disappear. But, as it is, also it’s very easy to get rid of these two. It’s very easy to get rid of these two. Only by raising your Kundalini and breaking your Brahmarandra. This is the greatest achievement that you have got, that you can break your Brahmarandra, make your Kundalini get connected with the All-pervading Power. That’s why I always say you must meditate and you must be in thoughtless awareness, then it works out. Don’t pay attention to outside things so much. Of course, you are, in a way, responsible for Sahaja Yoga, because you are sincere about it. You cannot force yourself. So, again and again I say, you weigh your sincerity. ‘How sincere am I to Sahaja Yoga?’ And some people just take it frivolously, saying ‘Mother, I was silly, I was confused.’ You cannot say that! You cannot say, because you owe these things to Sahaja Yoga. Everything you owe to Sahaja Yoga now. It’s a new life to you. So you cannot say ‘I was confused’ or ‘I was silly, I was stupid, I did this.’ You tell yourself you can’t do it. Mother has really worked very hard with full sincerity and we cannot be insincere about it. We don’t want to be hypocrites. This is hypocrisy, absolute hypocrisy. You say something and do something. If you have any sense of gratitude and self-respect, then you should never say that ‘By mistake, I did this, Mother’ or ‘I was confused, I was silly, I was stupid.’ That shows you are a very mediocre person and you have no sense of gratitude towards Sahaja Yoga nor towards yourself. But the best part of it, that I don’t need Sahaja Yog and that Sahaja Yoga does not need you. You need Sahaja Yoga. In itself, Sahaja Yoga is complete. It does not need you. It is a complete thing, will remain like that, absolutely. It will have its own position, its own status, its own dignity, everything intact. But if you have to get something out of it, you have to work it out. Like from the river Ganges, if you have to fetch the water, you must have proper pitchers which are deep enough to receive the water. But if you take a stone, what can you bring out of it? But the Ganges flows. It is what it is. It has its own capacities in it. It doesn’t change because you people have taken stones. So now you have to understand that raise your Kundalini as many times as you can. Try to put attention to your Kundalini all the time. See where is the problem is. Get it cleared out, absolutely cleared out. Find out where is the problem is and raise your Kundalini many a times and see that you are flowing all right on your fontanel bone area, so that your heart expands. It’s a mechanical process in a way, you can say. But even that you people don’t do. If you had done that, your heart would have increased. And you yourself will say, ‘Mother, my heart has become large like Asia.’ And then you see the miracle of the heart, how it emits vibrations by which you become such compassionate, such dynamic, beautiful people and so sincere to Sahaja Yoga. I would request you to open your heart today for this puja. You have been very jubilant and happy. And must be your heart must have opened because I’ve seen Sahaja Yogis have a very large heart for Me, but for themselves they don’t have. They’ll do everything for Me, but nothing for themselves. They’ll work morning till evening to decorate the hall, to do everything. They must have sent all these flowers to Me from I don’t know where. But if I tell them ‘You meditate for yourself’, that they will not do. Or ‘You achieve this for yourself’, that they will not do. This is the situation. So, instead of wasting all your energy for decorating all these things, you should decorate yourself within yourself. With sincerity, with nice thoughts about yourself that you are capable, absolutely capable people and you can use your imagination, your intelligence, rationality, whatever you think you have, to find the way, to find the way, again I say, to keep your heart large. And this is the message for today’s birthday all over the world because I felt that the whole world was today like a big heart pulsating. I received the last phone and came here. From all over the phones coming, flowers are showering, the beautiful nice things they are saying. Everything is there. When I am just drenched into it, just drenched, it was too much for Me. Such sweet, sweet things for the children, from the children, such things from the ladies, some very, very nice from the men and it was amazing how these people are bubbling with enjoyment that today is My birthday. In the same way, please consider that every day is your birthday, that you have to raise your Kundalini all the time and keep the standard of your Kundalini higher and higher. The more you open out, the more threads of Kundalini will come up and the more your heart will open out and it will be awakened, it will become more powerful. And with an open, big heart and a powerful heart, you can dominate your brain, which is giving you all these funny ideas. I hope this will happen this year here and people will try to make it a point that we have a large heart. Large heart doesn’t mean stupidity, doesn’t mean that. Large heart means the heart in which you can put Me in. It’s quite a big person, Myself, so you have to have a very large heart that I could reside into your heart. That is the large heart and that’s what you all should have. If that happens, then everything will work out very well. So, the surrendering part of it: you must know how to surrender and you must know how to keep whatever is not surrendered, because you surrender yourself in such a manner that you expand your heart absolutely. Put Me down there and then keep your flowers with you to be given to Me at a time when you are in complete control of yourself. So you have your emotions, your feelings like flowers, that you have to keep to yourself, which are the part of the same ocean of your heart. And, once you are ready, everything is done, if the whole house is ready, now bring the flowers, the emotions, the nice things, the beautiful things and nourish them. One must learn, I think, there should be some books about how to say nice things to others. We should try to find some books like that or should write some books how nice things could be said, how we can take care of others, how we can make another feel our love, the expression of love, and that work, such a book will really help people to understand that this is nice to say. And once you say something nice to other, that niceness comes back, as I have told you, like the ripples that touch the shores come back and then you feel very happy. Go on saying things which are nice, which are pleasing, will be very much appreciated. But if you say it with sincerity, not just to tease someone or to say something, just to be so superficially good, like ‘Thank you, thank you, thank you,’ but something from your heart, as they say, then you will be surprised that the heart of the another person will open and from that heart will flow those beautiful flowers of emotions towards you. So, on one side, you have to expand your heart and on another side, you have to reserve or preserve all the beautiful, nice, delicate feelings within yourself, absorbed from everywhere and then to pour them out at the right point. That’s the art. Like these flowers were in the garden first to begin with, preserved, preserved. At the right time they were brought in. So they feel more glorified that they are used at the right time. This is the way we have to be with ourselves in our heart because human beings are very delicate, very beautiful things and to beautify them you have to say beautiful things. This tongue is not for saying harsh things, for making fun of others, for teasing others, but is for saying something, such a beautiful thing that the another person also imbibes that beauty. I’ve seen some nice things people have said and that lingers in My mind. And I said, ‘When will I have chance to say these things to others?’ So, think about it, that ‘Now this is a very nice sentence,” ‘This was a very sweet thing they said. All right. So now, where should I use this?’ As I go to the shops, I see something: ‘Ah, that’s good. That will be good for particular person. Let’s buy that.’ In the same way, if you find these nice feelings and nice emotions and nice things said, then what do you do? You collect them, all these things, keep them and use them at the right time, at the right place. This is what is the wisdom of Shri Ganesha. Innocent people are the most sincere people, innocent people. Those who are clever and cunning cannot be sincere because they enjoy their cunningness, they enjoy their so-called ‘brilliance”. They can never be. Those people who are simple, who are loving, who care for love more than anything else, can only say very nice things sincerely. Today I wanted to say many things to you, how I feel about this birthday in Australia, but I told you the words fail. Because – see, Australia is such a far-off country. To come here with so many people sitting and singing ‘Agata Swagata’. It is unbelievable, unbelievable, because I have not given you any money, you have not given Me any money, you are not bound to say anything like that. But not only that you are doing it, but you are enjoying it. It’s something great. You’re enjoying it and that’s what it is: that when your heart is large, then whatever you do for others, you enjoy. You enjoy doing good things. You enjoy saying nice things. So we should have choicest flowers of beautiful sayings, we should have choicest emotions which we should be able to express to each other. Now start on that from today, I have to say: you start on this, that from 1990 we are all the time going to speak something beautiful to each other all the time and just keep your ears open, keep your eyes open and wherever you get a chance, wherever you hear something like that, keep it in your mind and use it back. Today I am so enamored and it is too much for Me, really, to believe even that there are so many Sahaja Yogis in Australia, which is so far away. Now it is your responsibility. It is your responsibility to be sincere about Sahaja Yoga, and in all sincerity, if you do everything, you’ll never think of such funny arguments which I’ve heard before. You’ll just think that ‘We love Mother and we have together, to be together, and we have to love each other and all the time we have to say nice things to each other so that the love increases.’ Anything else, anybody who tries to say things or break things or breaks somebody’s heart are doing sinful things. There’s sin. To break the heart of a saint is the greatest sin and they’ll be punished for that. So, now you are all saints and sages, you have to respect each other. Not only that, but you have to be enjoying your sincerity. That’s the way, I’m trying to say, enjoy your sincerity. And all these stupid thoughts come into your head, throw them away. Because I heard of so many arguments here and there and I thought ‘What is this? They are Sahaja Yogis or they are ordinary people of the street?’ This is happening and then the children, this happening, that. Now, about children also, I’ve been telling you that: send your children to India. In any case, you have been selfish about them. You know they are not developing all right. So send them to India. In that you have opened your heart because the whole world is your relation, the whole world is your family. You go anywhere in the whole world, you will find people who’ll love you, who’ll care for you, who’ll do everything for you. I mean, to know that in every place there is somebody sitting just waiting to meet you as your own! Just now I was thinking, ‘These musicians are going to Singapore. What will happen? Where will they stay?’ Big problem, trying this and that. Suddenly, I gave a bandhan, phone came from Bala. Bala told Me that ‘No, it’s perfectly all right. I’ll tell my mother. She’ll look after them.’ Problem solved. So, any such problems, your problems can be solved because you are sincere, but if you’re insincere, you’ll meet only insincere people and then you’ll go down, go down into your own estimation and estimation of others. And you’ll have no place in Sahaja Yoga. There’s no place for insincere people in Sahaj Yoga, so try to develop your sincerity. Raise your Kundalini as many times as you can. Keep it there. Keep it on Sahasrara and see that your heart opens. That’s the best way. They’ve been all asking Me ‘How to open our heart?’ I said, ‘Take the key.’ Now, I don’t know how to tell them. ‘Open your heart’ means just raise your Kundalini, keep to the Brahmarandra and see that the Brahmarandra opens. Not only that, but you see how by expanding your heart, by being nice to others, how you feel. There are some people who do not talk much, who do not meet others, who have reservations. They live as if they are living in the air, sort of people, must know there must be some badhas, some bhoots sitting on their heads, otherwise that’s a very unnatural behavior for a Sahaja Yogi. I’ve told you so many things today because I think the care, the love, the affection, the wisdom and the patience is to be imbibed. If I’m your Guru, if I am your Mother, you have to imbibe these qualities. For everything I’m worried. If somebody’s in trouble, I’m worried. I’ll try to get the problems sorted out of that person. Anyone who has a problem, I just – that sticks to Me till I have solved the problem. And I tell frankly also about, say, your children, I tell about your wife, about your husband that ‘This is not all right. This must be corrected’. Because I care for you. This is what should be your attitude towards Sahaja Yogis, Sahaja Yoga and that will strengthen you so much, because you care, that’s why others care. Can you imagine for an Indian woman like Me to have so many people who care for Me? Why should they care for Me, after all? All right, you are Sahaja Yogis, but there are people who are not Sahaja Yogis, I tell you, whom I, they are not Sahaja Yogis, whom I have met from My childhood, whom I know, my relations, – they all care for Me! Just one thing, because I care for them, I get bothered about them. Anybody who tells Me a problem, it is in My head, sticks there like a stamp. Till I’ve solved the problem, I’ll be looking out how to fix that problem. And I don’t have any problem of My own. In the same way, you should not have any problems of your own. Then only you can manage. All right now? So may God bless you! Next year I hope you all will be there for My birthday in India. We are going to organize the tour program like that, perhaps may be worked out. We have to also see if you can make something cheaper there to come down. We have to see many things. We can work it out. Before puja if you could give yourself bandhan nicely, seven times and then rise you Kundalini that would be better. H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

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Three Yuktis for the Progress in Sahaja Yoga. Today is the fourth day of Navaratri and in Navaratri you know that the puja should be done in the night. To dispel the darkness, it is important that we bring light into the night. You are also celebrating my birthday today. Today Shri Gauri after her marriage, created and established Shri Ganesha. Shri Ganesha is the source of ‘Pavitrata’ (Purity & Holiness). The first thing that was spread in this World was the Purity so that all beings, human beings who came into this World can stay protected with the Purity and keep away from unholy things. This is why Shri Gauri bathed the whole creation with the Purity and it was only after that the rest of creation was initiated. So the most important thing in our life is to consider Purity as the highest of all aspects within us. To keep Pure does not mean that we take bath, wash ourselves and make our body alright but it means that we should clean our Heart. The greatest malady of the Heart is anger. And when this anger enters into a person then the Purity within gets destroyed. Because Purity is nothing but ’Nirvajya Prem’ (Eternal Love). The Love that is ever flowing and does not expect anything in return. It is completely satisfied with its own nature of flowing. It feels disturbed when it cannot flow. So Purity means that you fill your Heart with Love and not with anger. Anger is not only our enemy but also that of the whole World. All the wars across the World, the losses suffered, they have happened because of the Collective anger. There are a lot of excuses for being angry. “I became angry because of this or that”. Man can search for any excuse just to be angry but then this same anger can also lead to such hideous wars. Anger is the reason behind it. If a Heart is filled with Love, anger cannot enter it. And then even if any anger is shown it is only because of Love. When an evil ‘Rakshasha’ (devil) is destroyed, it is done out of Love because it stops him from continuing with his evil actions. But this is not the job for human beings. It is the job of the goddess which she carried out during the Navaratri. So we should enlarge our Heart and ask whom do we have such a Love for, Love that is ‘Nirvajya’ (eternal and unconditional), is ‘Nirmam’ (Detached) without any “this is my son, this is my sister, this is my home”. Do we Love someone like that? You (as a Sahaja Yogi) have reached a much higher state than that of a human being. You are united with this subtle power of Love of God Almighty. This Power is continuously flowing within you. It is supporting you. It is enriching you. It motivates you all the time. It protects you and fills you with the essence of sweet Love. This graceful Power is now with you but how much place do we have in our hearts for it? This we should evaluate. We do Love our Mother with our Heart, which is true. All of us Love Mother and because of this Love you are feeling Joyful and Blissful. But there are two more kinds of Love which we should have. Only then the Love for Mother will be complete. The first is where we have the Love for ourselves that we are Sahaja yogis. We have achieved our powers in a ‘Sahaja’ (Spontaneous) manner but now we need to understand how to go ahead. Many people do a lot of work of spreading Sahaja Yoga which we can call as horizontal movement. Equally spreading in all directions parallel to the plain of Earth. These people do not look within themselves and therefore cannot achieve their spiritual ascent. Outside they can do a lot. They will run around and work a lot, meet everyone but they do not pay attention to attaining the Powers within. Also there are many who pay more attention to the Powers within and neglect the Powers outside. So they do not achieve a balance. And when people only move outwardly, the Powers within begin to diminish and they get to a state where they drown into the Ego. Then they start thinking. Look, how much we have done for Sahaja Yoga, how hard we are working for Sahaja Yoga. A new life starts for such people which is not at all suitable for Sahaja Yoga. They start thinking about themselves, that we are very important and that we should be respected. What we call as Self-importance. In everything, they want their importance to be considered, they try to show their special qualities, try to be in the front. But a hollowness settles within. Then they get shocked and surprised that they have become sick. That they have become mad. And when some great misfortune befalls, they say ‘But Mother, we were completely surrendered to you so how could this have happened?’ You are yourself responsible for moving away and getting lost. Such a person becomes one sided and cannot form relationships with others. The only relationship they can have is where they can order people around and show their superiority. They have to be in the front, they have to be given importance and if others do not give them this importance then it is considered as a sign of disrespect. They forget completely that this is work of Mother and they have to contribute to it. I saw this in some cities, such people suddenly came up and started acting important. And then neither ‘Aarti’ was performed nor did they have the desire to clean the photograph. But at least they did not use their own photograph. So much of self-importance, so much of bragging, so much of showing superiority over others, taking individual decisions without asking the Collective. Then the quarrels began and separate groups were formed. Because the thread with which you are all tied together is that of your Mother. So you must remain tied to it and remember that you are all children of one Mother, there is no one superior or inferior, it is all work of the ‘Param Chaitanya’ and we do not do anything. But when this sense is lost and a feeling of our superiority comes in, how great we are, we will do this, we will do that, then the ‘Param Chaitanya’ says alright. Do what you want to do! Go wherever you want to! You want to go to hell then go ahead! You wish to destroy yourself, go ahead! It won’t stop you because it respects your freedom. If you desire then you can go to heaven but if you want to go to hell then there is also an arrangement for it. We should understand in Sahaja Yoga, there is a Condition. We are a Collective Being, The One collective ‘Virata Shakti’ (Universal force). We are not individuals. We are all part and parcel of the same being. So if an individual or few become like this and make own groups then they take the form of cancerous cells (malignancy) and can affect the whole of Sahaja Yoga. Then all our efforts will go waste. We should learn from the Sea which remains at the lowest level and allows all things, rivers to merge into it. Without it the World cannot exist. It allows itself to be heated up to form vapour and sends a blessing of rain into the World. Its Humility is the sign of its depth, not something superficial. From the lowest level, accepting, integrating & purifying everything, to make vapour and give rain. But the same rain falls into the rivers and comes running back to the Sea. This is how the Sea is recognised. When you go to any beach and look at the coconut trees, you find them always bent towards the Sea in spite of the strong winds, because they know that they should not turn away from the Sea. Our Hearts can become as large as the Sea when this Humility and Love will come into us. But if we want to be special and important, then ‘Param Chaitanya’ will cut us away. Just like we cut our nails and throw them away. That will indeed be very sad and painful for me. If there are any more people who feel that they do a lot of work then they should immediately cool down. They should step into the background and introspect. Do we meditate? Are we really in meditation? How deep have we gone? Whom do we Love? How many do we Love and with how many have we become enemies? Some in Sahaja Yoga have gone very deep and settled down. But there are others who are still on the periphery and when they may be thrown out, cannot be said. I have already told you before that after 1990 a new dimension will open up. You have to take a leap to come out of your earlier state and get into the new one. Like the wheel, when it rotates, it reaches a point and then moves ahead. In the same manner this movement of Sahaja Yoga will become Collective and to stay in it we should imbibe complete Purity which is filled with Humility. You see a lot of people in this World who think that they are Pure, they meditate day and night, they do not allow anyone to touch them, they will not eat particular food, when others come they ask them to sit away and they are upset if touched. All this is madness. If you are really Clean and Pure then to touch someone or to talk to someone does not make you impure because you purify everything. Your whole nature is of Purification. You purify everyone you meet. How can you have this type of fear? What is the need to gossip and condemn others? All this is actually a sign that there is not enough Purity within.Because Purity contains a power and intensity which has the strength to suck in and purify everything just like the Sea. Now there are others who only think of their own progress. They think ‘why should we concern ourselves with others? We can sit within the four walls and worship Mother! Let us concentrate on our ascent! We have nothing to do with the rest of the World!’ They keep themselves away. Such People cannot progress because you are all part and parcel of the same body. Please understand, if there is a finger which ties itself and says ‘I do not want to have anything to do with the rest and I will stay alone’. Then such a finger will die out. Because how will blood flow into it? How will the nerves work? How will the awareness flow into it? It will remain cut out! It will be left out! You can try this. Tie your finger for five days and you will realise that the finger no longer works. It will no longer be of any use. Then you will say ‘Mother I do your puja and pray to you so much, then why my condition is like this?’ Because you are disturbed! Because you have lost your way! You have moved away from the Collective. Sahaja Yoga represents the Power of the Collective and the moment you move away from the Collective you are no longer connected to this Power. So we have to pay attention to both the aspects. We should support our ascent within and also be an active part of the Collective. Only then there will be a complete balance within, while you work a lot outside. I have even seen people who used to work a lot for Sahaja Yoga and also used to give very good speeches. Then they recorded their own speeches and began asking others to listen to it. Some people started listening to these tapes instead of my tapes. And their condition was such that even in my presence they would only bow to my photograph. As if they had only relationship with my photograph and had nothing to do with me. I have seen such insane people! Then they printed their own photographs and began showing it to the people to impress and gain importance. Doing all this they fell down into a ditch and then suddenly realised that they were no longer a part of the Collective.They are nowhere to be seen anymore. Others say ‘Mother! These people were leaders! Yes they were! But then where did they go? What can I say? They disappeared! Where? I do not know!’ These people went out of Sahaja Yoga because there was no balance and when there is no balance a person can go to the Left or the Right side. As I have said before, there are two types of Powers working within us one by which we get pulled towards Sahaja Yoga and with the other we are pushed away. If you tie a stone to the rope and rotate it then the stone keeps on rotating till the time it is tied to the rope. The moment it is released, it gets tangentially thrown away. Many people have gone out of Sahaja Yoga in this fashion. And then others say ‘Look Mother, the numbers in Sahaja Yoga have decreased’. What can I do? The numbers have reduced but it does not mean that Sahaja Yoga has lost out on anything. It is their loss. Sahaja Yoga is beyond this gain and loss. If you want to gain then you should really understand that it is you who needs Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga does not need you. The other meaning of ‘Yoga’ is ‘Yukti’ (Technique). So the first meaning is the ‘Union’ and the other meaning is the ‘Technique’. We should understand the meaning of ‘Yukti’ (Technique). What is this ‘Yukti’ (Technique)? It can be explained in three ways. First ‘Yukti’ is to get the Knowledge. Knowledge does not mean intelligence. To feel (Chaitanya) on our fingertips, hands and the complete awakening of Kundalini within us, is part of this Knowledge. When we get this knowledge then other knowledges come to us. A lot of things you did not understand before, you can do so now. You begin to differentiate between who is true and who is false. With this Knowledge you are able to raise the kundalini of others, explain to them, talk with them and meditate together. You even gain intellectual Knowledge. You understand Sahaja Yoga. Who could do so before? ‘Ida, Pingla, Sukhman (sushumna) Nadi re, ek hi dor udau re’ (Kabira talks about the three channels and Kundalini’s ascent) when Kabira spoke of this could anybody understand it? Could anybody understand (Guru) Nanaka before? Nobody understood what Gyaneshwara talked about, neither did they understand Lao tse. People just considered it all as something mysterious or secretive and left it at that. But after Sahaja Yoga you can understand it! So your intelligence also has been raised. And it is true that you have really begun to understand all this. The inaccessible Knowledge has been made accessible to you. So through this first ‘Yukti’ (Technique) you have achieved the Knowledge. So what is the second ‘Yukti’ (Technique)? You should have ‘Bhakti’ (Devotion) for me. When we talk about this ‘Bhakti’ then it should be ‘Ananya Bhakti’ (completely United, One, when there is no Other). You have to achieve ‘Tadatkarita’ (Oneness) with me. Your thoughts and actions should become one with mine. Suppose we think about the delay today. We can say that we have got delayed and we are now tired. But if we think like this, ‘Today is Navaratri, we have to do the Puja in the night and this was the ordained time, the time at which the Puja should be done. And it should be done and we are doing it with utmost joy. This is the most auspicious time.’ Everything should be Sahaja (spontaneous). We shouldn’t even think about it, we have not rested, we are tired, nothing of the sort. Like if a warrior goes to a war sees the enemy standing before him, then he knows it is time to kill the enemy and he has to do it. So when we are sitting here then you should think that this is the time Mother has fixed. This is most auspicious time for us to do the puja and there is no other. But the half-baked people think ‘We have been sitting here since morning, we did this, we are now hungry or the children must have already slept’. Then this is not ‘Ananya Bhakti’ because you are not one with my thoughts and actions. Sometimes you say ‘Mother this person is very bad’ and then I say ‘No he is quite alright, he is a good person’. How did you say that? Then I think, why are they unable to see what I can see? If they have become like that (united) then they should be able to see what I see. But they cannot. They see something else. So they have not yet reached the state of ‘Ananya’ (One, United) and they are become ‘Anya’ (the Other, Separated). I have Love for all of you. And I am only ‘Trupt’ (Satisfied) when you also Love everyone in the same way. If you do not have this within you then it seems like you are part of ‘Anya’ not ‘Ananya’. I say to myself, if they are part and parcel of my being they should be one with me in all my thoughts and actions! But they think and do just the opposite! How can all these strange thoughts come into their mind? So it cannot be ‘Ananya Bhakti’, it is ‘Anya’! So our thoughts, our actions and our Love should be expressed in the same way as your Love for me. And if this is the source of Love then whatever is within the Well should also flow to the bank (shore). How can something else come in and when I see something else then I think ‘they have filled the water from shore of another’s Well! This cannot be the shore of my Well’. So when I ask you to keep ‘Ananya Bhakti’ within yourself, then it also means, ‘Mother we are in your Refuge (Protection, Surrendered)’. If you are surrendered then when I say something or explain something or give a proposal, how can there be any possibility of you refusing? How can this question arise if you have become one with me? ‘Mother has said it and we will do it accordingly’. If we have become ‘One’ with Mother how can we say no? Now consider that my eye is watching you and knows that you are all sitting here. Because it is my own eye, so there is no difference between what my eye knows and what my intellect knows. So this ‘Tadakarita’ (Oneness) should be also visible within you. So in this second ‘Yukti’, we should pray ‘O Mother, please come into my Heart, into my brain, into my thought, into my life, into every particle of my being’. Wherever you desire I will be there. But you have to pray with all your Heart. If you try to pray because of a reason then it does not work out. But once you are connected then all the desires are fulfilled by themselves. You do not have to do anything. And then none of the desires remain and then you become ‘One’. When you think about all the work you are doing for Sahaja Yoga. ‘We did this work of Sahaja Yoga, we did the decoration, we did it properly’ then you cannot be a Sahaja Yogi. In Sahaj Yoga all your ‘Karma’ (actions) should become ‘Akarma’ (non-actions). You have thoughts like, ‘I am doing something! I have written poems! I have done this!’ Once you become subtler and observe these thoughts, then you begin to ask yourself. ‘Do I really think like this? Do I really think that I am doing? Do such thoughts come into my mind? Then it means that my ‘Yoga’ (Union) is not complete’. Because when the ‘Yoga’ (Union) is complete then you do not think like this. You cannot think like that. You become ‘Akarmay’ (non-doer). You start saying in third person ‘This is happening, that is happening’. This is the way you talk and then it can be said that now there is ‘Tadakarita’ (Oneness). Consider my hand, when it does something, it doesn’t think or say that it is doing. It does not even know that it is doing. But if it starts thinking that it is doing then we should know that the hand has been separated and is no longer connected. Because if it is connected then it will never consider itself as separate. When you have thoughts like ‘I am doing it’ then Param Chaitanya says ‘Go ahead and do’. Real problem starts after that. So this is the third ‘Yuki’. We should learn this ‘Yukti’ that when you get a thought that ‘I am doing something’, you should introspect. ‘What am I really doing?’ Till the time you were seeking the light, you were doing something because there was Ego within you. You were alone, you were in ‘Vyashthi’ (individual) but now you have become a part of the ‘Samashthi’ (Collective). Then you are not doing anything. You are just a part and parcel of the whole and the work is happening. Try to understand this third ‘Yukti’. I am telling you these ‘Yukti‘ (Techniques) because we have to now take a big jump. You should introspect like this and keep a watch on yourself all the time. It is important for our own well-being that we turn our attention inwards and watch ourselves. ‘If I am thinking about others, then it should be about how they are so much better than me and that I should learn from them’. If you can see the good qualities in others and the defects in yourself then it is very good. Because you cannot remove the defects in others. You do not have that authority. You only have the authority to remove your own defects. ‘So what did others do? Others are like this. Others are like that.’ Those who think like this, their ‘Yoga’ (Union) is not complete. ‘What are the defects within me?’ If you keep this watch on yourself, then you can correct yourself. Not by watching others. It is as if you are thinking about defects in the house of another person. So we should understand that we are ourselves responsible for our half-baked condition. Sahaja Yoga is very unique and great. It is due to our own limitations and defects that we are not able to enjoy it completely. And what is it that you are going to get if you learn the Technique? Only ‘Anand’ (Joy), ‘Niranand’ (Complete Joy) and nothing else. Your whole countenance will change and you will be just filled with joy. Today you have organised my Birthday celebration, And I would like that we also celebrate it as your Birthday that today onwards we will follow these ‘Yukti’ (Techniques) and fill our lives with Purity and Holiness just like Shri Ganesha. With this Purity comes Wisdom because Purity means Love. And Love is Wisdom. So everything is Love. And if you cannot achieve Wisdom, if you cannot emit this Love then you are wasting your time in Sahaja Yoga. Now such a time is coming, when we have to settle down. We have to transform ourselves. We have to change, remove our faults and become completely pure. This is the sign of your Love for yourself. If your child gets dirty, you run and clean the child because you have Love for the child. In the same way once you Love yourself, you will introspect, find your faults and change yourself. The blessings which come in your life through this transformation cannot be described by mere words. As Kabira has said ‘Jab Mast hue to fir kya bole’ (When you are in the Blissful state then what more can you say.) You all should now get into that ‘Masti’ (Bliss). And attain that joyous state where you become completely blissful. May God Bless You.

Three Yuktis for the Progress in Sahaja Yoga. Today is the fourth day of Navaratri and in Navaratri you know that the puja should be done in the night. To dispel the darkness, it is important that we bring light into the night. You are also celebrating my birthday today. Today Shri Gauri after her marriage, created and established Shri Ganesha. Shri Ganesha is the source of ‘Pavitrata’ (Purity & Holiness). The first thing that was spread in this World was the Purity so that all beings, human beings who came into this World can stay protected with the Purity and keep away from unholy things. This is why Shri Gauri bathed the whole creation with the Purity and it was only after that the rest of creation was initiated. So the most important thing in our life is to consider Purity as the highest of all aspects within us. To keep Pure does not mean that we take bath, wash ourselves and make our body alright but it means that we should clean our Heart. The greatest malady of the Heart is anger. And when this anger enters into a person then the Purity within gets destroyed. Because Purity is nothing but ’Nirvajya Prem’ (Eternal Love). The Love that is ever flowing and does not expect anything in return. It is completely satisfied with its own nature of flowing. It feels disturbed when it cannot flow. So Purity means that you fill your Heart with Love and not with anger. Anger is not only our enemy but also that of the whole World. All the wars across the World, the losses suffered, they have happened because of the Collective anger. There are a lot of excuses for being angry. “I became angry because of this or that”. Man can search for any excuse just to be angry but then this same anger can also lead to such hideous wars. Anger is the reason behind it. If a Heart is filled with Love, anger cannot enter it. And then even if any anger is shown it is only because of Love. When an evil ‘Rakshasha’ (devil) is destroyed, it is done out of Love because it stops him from continuing with his evil actions. But this is not the job for human beings. It is the job of the goddess which she carried out during the Navaratri. So we should enlarge our Heart and ask whom do we have such a Love for, Love that is ‘Nirvajya’ (eternal and unconditional), is ‘Nirmam’ (Detached) without any “this is my son, this is my sister, this is my home”. Do we Love someone like that? You (as a Sahaja Yogi) have reached a much higher state than that of a human being. You are united with this subtle power of Love of God Almighty. This Power is continuously flowing within you. It is supporting you. It is enriching you. It motivates you all the time. It protects you and fills you with the essence of sweet Love. This graceful Power is now with you but how much place do we have in our hearts for it? This we should evaluate. We do Love our Mother with our Heart, which is true. All of us Love Mother and because of this Love you are feeling Joyful and Blissful. But there are two more kinds of Love which we should have. Only then the Love for Mother will be complete. The first is where we have the Love for ourselves that we are Sahaja yogis. We have achieved our powers in a ‘Sahaja’ (Spontaneous) manner but now we need to understand how to go ahead. Many people do a lot of work of spreading Sahaja Yoga which we can call as horizontal movement. Equally spreading in all directions parallel to the plain of Earth. These people do not look within themselves and therefore cannot achieve their spiritual ascent. Outside they can do a lot. They will run around and work a lot, meet everyone but they do not pay attention to attaining the Powers within. Also there are many who pay more attention to the Powers within and neglect the Powers outside. So they do not achieve a balance. And when people only move outwardly, the Powers within begin to diminish and they get to a state where they drown into the Ego. Then they start thinking. Look, how much we have done for Sahaja Yoga, how hard we are working for Sahaja Yoga. A new life starts for such people which is not at all suitable for Sahaja Yoga. They start thinking about themselves, that we are very important and that we should be respected. What we call as Self-importance. In everything, they want their importance to be considered, they try to show their special qualities, try to be in the front. But a hollowness settles within. Then they get shocked and surprised that they have become sick. That they have become mad. And when some great misfortune befalls, they say ‘But Mother, we were completely surrendered to you so how could this have happened?’ You are yourself responsible for moving away and getting lost. Such a person becomes one sided and cannot form relationships with others. The only relationship they can have is where they can order people around and show their superiority. They have to be in the front, they have to be given importance and if others do not give them this importance then it is considered as a sign of disrespect. They forget completely that this is work of Mother and they have to contribute to it. I saw this in some cities, such people suddenly came up and started acting important. And then neither ‘Aarti’ was performed nor did they have the desire to clean the photograph. But at least they did not use their own photograph. So much of self-importance, so much of bragging, so much of showing superiority over others, taking individual decisions without asking the Collective. Then the quarrels began and separate groups were formed. Because the thread with which you are all tied together is that of your Mother. So you must remain tied to it and remember that you are all children of one Mother, there is no one superior or inferior, it is all work of the ‘Param Chaitanya’ and we do not do anything. But when this sense is lost and a feeling of our superiority comes in, how great we are, we will do this, we will do that, then the ‘Param Chaitanya’ says alright. Do what you want to do! Go wherever you want to! You want to go to hell then go ahead! You wish to destroy yourself, go ahead! It won’t stop you because it respects your freedom. If you desire then you can go to heaven but if you want to go to hell then there is also an arrangement for it. We should understand in Sahaja Yoga, there is a Condition. We are a Collective Being, The One collective ‘Virata Shakti’ (Universal force). We are not individuals. We are all part and parcel of the same being. So if an individual or few become like this and make own groups then they take the form of cancerous cells (malignancy) and can affect the whole of Sahaja Yoga. Then all our efforts will go waste. We should learn from the Sea which remains at the lowest level and allows all things, rivers to merge into it. Without it the World cannot exist. It allows itself to be heated up to form vapour and sends a blessing of rain into the World. Its Humility is the sign of its depth, not something superficial. From the lowest level, accepting, integrating & purifying everything, to make vapour and give rain. But the same rain falls into the rivers and comes running back to the Sea. This is how the Sea is recognised. When you go to any beach and look at the coconut trees, you find them always bent towards the Sea in spite of the strong winds, because they know that they should not turn away from the Sea. Our Hearts can become as large as the Sea when this Humility and Love will come into us. But if we want to be special and important, then ‘Param Chaitanya’ will cut us away. Just like we cut our nails and throw them away. That will indeed be very sad and painful for me. If there are any more people who feel that they do a lot of work then they should immediately cool down. They should step into the background and introspect. Do we meditate? Are we really in meditation? How deep have we gone? Whom do we Love? How many do we Love and with how many have we become enemies? Some in Sahaja Yoga have gone very deep and settled down. But there are others who are still on the periphery and when they may be thrown out, cannot be said. I have already told you before that after 1990 a new dimension will open up. You have to take a leap to come out of your earlier state and get into the new one. Like the wheel, when it rotates, it reaches a point and then moves ahead. In the same manner this movement of Sahaja Yoga will become Collective and to stay in it we should imbibe complete Purity which is filled with Humility. You see a lot of people in this World who think that they are Pure, they meditate day and night, they do not allow anyone to touch them, they will not eat particular food, when others come they ask them to sit away and they are upset if touched. All this is madness. If you are really Clean and Pure then to touch someone or to talk to someone does not make you impure because you purify everything. Your whole nature is of Purification. You purify everyone you meet. How can you have this type of fear? What is the need to gossip and condemn others? All this is actually a sign that there is not enough Purity within.Because Purity contains a power and intensity which has the strength to suck in and purify everything just like the Sea. Now there are others who only think of their own progress. They think ‘why should we concern ourselves with others? We can sit within the four walls and worship Mother! Let us concentrate on our ascent! We have nothing to do with the rest of the World!’ They keep themselves away. Such People cannot progress because you are all part and parcel of the same body. Please understand, if there is a finger which ties itself and says ‘I do not want to have anything to do with the rest and I will stay alone’. Then such a finger will die out. Because how will blood flow into it? How will the nerves work? How will the awareness flow into it? It will remain cut out! It will be left out! You can try this. Tie your finger for five days and you will realise that the finger no longer works. It will no longer be of any use. Then you will say ‘Mother I do your puja and pray to you so much, then why my condition is like this?’ Because you are disturbed! Because you have lost your way! You have moved away from the Collective. Sahaja Yoga represents the Power of the Collective and the moment you move away from the Collective you are no longer connected to this Power. So we have to pay attention to both the aspects. We should support our ascent within and also be an active part of the Collective. Only then there will be a complete balance within, while you work a lot outside. I have even seen people who used to work a lot for Sahaja Yoga and also used to give very good speeches. Then they recorded their own speeches and began asking others to listen to it. Some people started listening to these tapes instead of my tapes. And their condition was such that even in my presence they would only bow to my photograph. As if they had only relationship with my photograph and had nothing to do with me. I have seen such insane people! Then they printed their own photographs and began showing it to the people to impress and gain importance. Doing all this they fell down into a ditch and then suddenly realised that they were no longer a part of the Collective.They are nowhere to be seen anymore. Others say ‘Mother! These people were leaders! Yes they were! But then where did they go? What can I say? They disappeared! Where? I do not know!’ These people went out of Sahaja Yoga because there was no balance and when there is no balance a person can go to the Left or the Right side. As I have said before, there are two types of Powers working within us one by which we get pulled towards Sahaja Yoga and with the other we are pushed away. If you tie a stone to the rope and rotate it then the stone keeps on rotating till the time it is tied to the rope. The moment it is released, it gets tangentially thrown away. Many people have gone out of Sahaja Yoga in this fashion. And then others say ‘Look Mother, the numbers in Sahaja Yoga have decreased’. What can I do? The numbers have reduced but it does not mean that Sahaja Yoga has lost out on anything. It is their loss. Sahaja Yoga is beyond this gain and loss. If you want to gain then you should really understand that it is you who needs Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Yoga does not need you. The other meaning of ‘Yoga’ is ‘Yukti’ (Technique). So the first meaning is the ‘Union’ and the other meaning is the ‘Technique’. We should understand the meaning of ‘Yukti’ (Technique). What is this ‘Yukti’ (Technique)? It can be explained in three ways. First ‘Yukti’ is to get the Knowledge. Knowledge does not mean intelligence. To feel (Chaitanya) on our fingertips, hands and the complete awakening of Kundalini within us, is part of this Knowledge. When we get this knowledge then other knowledges come to us. A lot of things you did not understand before, you can do so now. You begin to differentiate between who is true and who is false. With this Knowledge you are able to raise the kundalini of others, explain to them, talk with them and meditate together. You even gain intellectual Knowledge. You understand Sahaja Yoga. Who could do so before? ‘Ida, Pingla, Sukhman (sushumna) Nadi re, ek hi dor udau re’ (Kabira talks about the three channels and Kundalini’s ascent) when Kabira spoke of this could anybody understand it? Could anybody understand (Guru) Nanaka before? Nobody understood what Gyaneshwara talked about, neither did they understand Lao tse. People just considered it all as something mysterious or secretive and left it at that. But after Sahaja Yoga you can understand it! So your intelligence also has been raised. And it is true that you have really begun to understand all this. The inaccessible Knowledge has been made accessible to you. So through this first ‘Yukti’ (Technique) you have achieved the Knowledge. So what is the second ‘Yukti’ (Technique)? You should have ‘Bhakti’ (Devotion) for me. When we talk about this ‘Bhakti’ then it should be ‘Ananya Bhakti’ (completely United, One, when there is no Other). You have to achieve ‘Tadatkarita’ (Oneness) with me. Your thoughts and actions should become one with mine. Suppose we think about the delay today. We can say that we have got delayed and we are now tired. But if we think like this, ‘Today is Navaratri, we have to do the Puja in the night and this was the ordained time, the time at which the Puja should be done. And it should be done and we are doing it with utmost joy. This is the most auspicious time.’ Everything should be Sahaja (spontaneous). We shouldn’t even think about it, we have not rested, we are tired, nothing of the sort. Like if a warrior goes to a war sees the enemy standing before him, then he knows it is time to kill the enemy and he has to do it. So when we are sitting here then you should think that this is the time Mother has fixed. This is most auspicious time for us to do the puja and there is no other. But the half-baked people think ‘We have been sitting here since morning, we did this, we are now hungry or the children must have already slept’. Then this is not ‘Ananya Bhakti’ because you are not one with my thoughts and actions. Sometimes you say ‘Mother this person is very bad’ and then I say ‘No he is quite alright, he is a good person’. How did you say that? Then I think, why are they unable to see what I can see? If they have become like that (united) then they should be able to see what I see. But they cannot. They see something else. So they have not yet reached the state of ‘Ananya’ (One, United) and they are become ‘Anya’ (the Other, Separated). I have Love for all of you. And I am only ‘Trupt’ (Satisfied) when you also Love everyone in the same way. If you do not have this within you then it seems like you are part of ‘Anya’ not ‘Ananya’. I say to myself, if they are part and parcel of my being they should be one with me in all my thoughts and actions! But they think and do just the opposite! How can all these strange thoughts come into their mind? So it cannot be ‘Ananya Bhakti’, it is ‘Anya’! So our thoughts, our actions and our Love should be expressed in the same way as your Love for me. And if this is the source of Love then whatever is within the Well should also flow to the bank (shore). How can something else come in and when I see something else then I think ‘they have filled the water from shore of another’s Well! This cannot be the shore of my Well’. So when I ask you to keep ‘Ananya Bhakti’ within yourself, then it also means, ‘Mother we are in your Refuge (Protection, Surrendered)’. If you are surrendered then when I say something or explain something or give a proposal, how can there be any possibility of you refusing? How can this question arise if you have become one with me? ‘Mother has said it and we will do it accordingly’. If we have become ‘One’ with Mother how can we say no? Now consider that my eye is watching you and knows that you are all sitting here. Because it is my own eye, so there is no difference between what my eye knows and what my intellect knows. So this ‘Tadakarita’ (Oneness) should be also visible within you. So in this second ‘Yukti’, we should pray ‘O Mother, please come into my Heart, into my brain, into my thought, into my life, into every particle of my being’. Wherever you desire I will be there. But you have to pray with all your Heart. If you try to pray because of a reason then it does not work out. But once you are connected then all the desires are fulfilled by themselves. You do not have to do anything. And then none of the desires remain and then you become ‘One’. When you think about all the work you are doing for Sahaja Yoga. ‘We did this work of Sahaja Yoga, we did the decoration, we did it properly’ then you cannot be a Sahaja Yogi. In Sahaj Yoga all your ‘Karma’ (actions) should become ‘Akarma’ (non-actions). You have thoughts like, ‘I am doing something! I have written poems! I have done this!’ Once you become subtler and observe these thoughts, then you begin to ask yourself. ‘Do I really think like this? Do I really think that I am doing? Do such thoughts come into my mind? Then it means that my ‘Yoga’ (Union) is not complete’. Because when the ‘Yoga’ (Union) is complete then you do not think like this. You cannot think like that. You become ‘Akarmay’ (non-doer). You start saying in third person ‘This is happening, that is happening’. This is the way you talk and then it can be said that now there is ‘Tadakarita’ (Oneness). Consider my hand, when it does something, it doesn’t think or say that it is doing. It does not even know that it is doing. But if it starts thinking that it is doing then we should know that the hand has been separated and is no longer connected. Because if it is connected then it will never consider itself as separate. When you have thoughts like ‘I am doing it’ then Param Chaitanya says ‘Go ahead and do’. Real problem starts after that. So this is the third ‘Yuki’. We should learn this ‘Yukti’ that when you get a thought that ‘I am doing something’, you should introspect. ‘What am I really doing?’ Till the time you were seeking the light, you were doing something because there was Ego within you. You were alone, you were in ‘Vyashthi’ (individual) but now you have become a part of the ‘Samashthi’ (Collective). Then you are not doing anything. You are just a part and parcel of the whole and the work is happening. Try to understand this third ‘Yukti’. I am telling you these ‘Yukti‘ (Techniques) because we have to now take a big jump. You should introspect like this and keep a watch on yourself all the time. It is important for our own well-being that we turn our attention inwards and watch ourselves. ‘If I am thinking about others, then it should be about how they are so much better than me and that I should learn from them’. If you can see the good qualities in others and the defects in yourself then it is very good. Because you cannot remove the defects in others. You do not have that authority. You only have the authority to remove your own defects. ‘So what did others do? Others are like this. Others are like that.’ Those who think like this, their ‘Yoga’ (Union) is not complete. ‘What are the defects within me?’ If you keep this watch on yourself, then you can correct yourself. Not by watching others. It is as if you are thinking about defects in the house of another person. So we should understand that we are ourselves responsible for our half-baked condition. Sahaja Yoga is very unique and great. It is due to our own limitations and defects that we are not able to enjoy it completely. And what is it that you are going to get if you learn the Technique? Only ‘Anand’ (Joy), ‘Niranand’ (Complete Joy) and nothing else. Your whole countenance will change and you will be just filled with joy. Today you have organised my Birthday celebration, And I would like that we also celebrate it as your Birthday that today onwards we will follow these ‘Yukti’ (Techniques) and fill our lives with Purity and Holiness just like Shri Ganesha. With this Purity comes Wisdom because Purity means Love. And Love is Wisdom. So everything is Love. And if you cannot achieve Wisdom, if you cannot emit this Love then you are wasting your time in Sahaja Yoga. Now such a time is coming, when we have to settle down. We have to transform ourselves. We have to change, remove our faults and become completely pure. This is the sign of your Love for yourself. If your child gets dirty, you run and clean the child because you have Love for the child. In the same way once you Love yourself, you will introspect, find your faults and change yourself. The blessings which come in your life through this transformation cannot be described by mere words. As Kabira has said ‘Jab Mast hue to fir kya bole’ (When you are in the Blissful state then what more can you say.) You all should now get into that ‘Masti’ (Bliss). And attain that joyous state where you become completely blissful. May God Bless You.

3/30/1990

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4th day of Navaratri and Birthday Puja: Three tricks to progress in Sahaja yoga

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Today is the 4th day of Navaratri and as you know that the puja of Navaratri has to be celebrated only during the night. To take out the darkness it is very necessary that the nights should be lighted. Today there is also another coincidence that you are celebrating My Birthday. On this day, Gauriji established Shri Ganesha after her marriage. Shri Ganesha is the source of purity. The very first thing in the world which was established was purity so that it spreads all over so that all the living beings, even the human beings, all those who came into this world should be protected by purity and should keep away from impure things. That is why the whole creation was drenched with purity by Gauriji. And only after that the creation came into existence. So it is of utmost importance in our lives that we should place purity at the highest place. But purity does not mean that we clean ourselves, take our bath, or even for the body to keep it alright, but we should clean our hearts. The biggest disorder (enemy) of the heart is anger: It is the biggest sickness. And when a person is angry, his purity is destroyed. Because another name of purity is selfless love: that love which always flows and does not expect anything in return. The satisfaction of this love is that it’s just flowing and when it does not flow it gets suffocated and it gets disturbed. So, purity means that you fill your heart with love, not with anger. Anger is our enemy of course but it’s the enemy of the whole world. Whenever there have been big wars in the world, whatever destruction happened, it has happened because of collective anger. There are many excuses for anger: I got angry because this thing happened, I got angry because that thing happened. To become angry human beings can always find some reason. But you should know that even extremely destructive things like war have come because of this anger. The basic reason behind that is anger. If our heart is full of love then we cannot be angry. And even if we have to show that we are angry, artificially angry, that is also done for love. If there is a rakshasa, demon, a very cruel demon, which has to be killed, he is killed also because of love, because when he deserves to be killed so he will not commit any more sins. But this is not the work of human beings, this is the work of Devi, and which She has done during this Navaratri. Now we have to expand our heart and see in our heart for whom we have selfless love, which does not expect anything. It’s not that we have love like: this is my son, this my sister, this is my house, these are my things. But you have to see for whom you have this kind of love. Amongst the human beings you have been raised to a very high level because you have become sahaja yogis. Your yoga, your connection, has been done with this very subtle power of love of God Almighty. And this power is flowing continuously within you, which is nourishing you, which is protecting you and it is elevating you. Again and again it motivates you, protects you, gives you pure joy. It fills you with sweet love. We have been united with this beautiful power, but we have to see that even now how much place do we have in our heart for such kind of power. In our heart we have love for our Mother, that is true, you love your Mother very much and because of this love you are tuned, you are in tune with the joy, it is giving you joy. But we should have 2 more types of love within us. Only then we can say that we love Mother. Firstly, we should love ourselves, we should say to ourselves: I’m a sahaja yogi. We got this power very easily but we have to see how we can grow (spiritually). Many people work hard to spread Sahaja yoga, which we can call the horizontal movement. It is like spreading it in all the directions. But these yogis do not put attention on themselves. Thus their own vertical movement is not there. They do not achieve their (own) spiritual growth. They can do a lot of things outside, they can run about, they can do a lot of work, they will be very busy, they will meet people, but they are not increasing their inner power. Now the second type of people are those who put attention a lot on their inner power, but they do not put the attention on the outside. So this creates an imbalance. When we put lot of attention on the outside, this outside activity grows but the inner power becomes less and less. And then it becomes so less that they go on the brink, the boundaries, and they start falling into the ego trip. They start thinking how much we have worked for sahaja yoga, how much we have worked hard. When they start thinking like this a new life starts for such kind of people which is not at all useful for sahaja yoga. Then they start thinking that « I’m a very big leader and everybody should give me importance » which is self-importance. Everywhere they see that they should be given importance, in all the things they will try that their own importance is increased, they will try to show their own specialty, they will always come in the front, but from inside there is a hollowness which increases. And then suddenly what happens? They have some kind of a sickness, they become mad. They have some big problem in their life. Then they start saying Mother we were completely surrendered to You, so how did this happen? Why should it happen to me like this, what went wrong? But the responsibility is on yourself because you started drifting away, and this kind of people start staying by himself (disconnected with others). They cannot get along with other people. Their only connection is that how much they can dominate others. And how much they can show that they are above others, they are superior to others. Then they go on showing their own importance, they should be included in everything and always given importance. If someone does not give him any importance then it is a great mistake. Then they start faltering to such an extent that they will even forget that they have to do something for Mother. You have to give something to Mother also. These kind of people I’ve seen in some places, like in Rahuri, even in Bombay, some persons suddenly come up. They try to become very important and in such places there was not even the aarti. Luckily for Me there was at least My photo, but nobody had a desire even to clean the photo. Thanks God that they did not put their own photo! Their own importance and their own show off! Putting themselves higher than others and separating themselves from others. They would not ask anybody, they would start doing things by themselves. Then the quarrel started and groups started forming. The common bond that binds you all together is the thread of your Mother and if you want to remain in that bond then all the time you have to remember that we are the children of the same Mother, and that nobody is higher or lower. And we do not do any work, this Chaitanya (the All-Pervading power of God) is doing everything, I’m not doing anything. But if we are thinking that I am so great, I have done this and am going to do this and that, then Paramchaitanya says « Ok, go ahead. Do what you want, go wherever you want to go. If you want to go in hell you can go to hell. If you want to destroy yourself, you can destroy yourself. If you want to be in complete destruction then also you can do it. Whatever you want to do you can do it. » It will not stop you because it respects your freedom. You should know that if you want to go to heaven it can take you to heaven but if you want to go to hell then even that can be arranged. But in Sahaja Yoga there is one big fault, one very big drawback. We are a big Virat Shakti (collective power), we are not alone, we are the different parts of the same body. But in this body if there are one or two persons or there are three or four persons who start making their own group then it becomes like cancer, like malignancy, like one cell starts growing. Then that person can grow and can contaminate whole Sahaja Yoga. And in that case all My efforts will be in vain. We should try to learn from the sea which stays at the lowest level and thus it absorbs all the rivers inside itself. And without the sea the world cannot exists. The sea evaporates the water inside which becomes the steam and it goes and gives the gift of the rain in the whole world. The humility of the sea is a sign of its depth, but this humility is not superficial, that we say hello mister, Namaste, it’s not like this, but it remains in the lowest level, it absorbs everything, it purifies everything. Then it converts itself into steam and showers the rain. And then when the rain comes the rivers are formed and these rivers come running towards the same sea and it will go into the sea. Then if you see the sea, if you observe the sea, on the shores of the sea you will observe that all the coconut trees, which are there, are always bent towards the sea. There is a lot of breeze coming from the sea but they never bend away from the sea because they know that it is the sea. So in the same way our heart becomes like the sea when we become extremely humble and the heart is filled with love. But if we have always giving self-importance, feeling always that we are something special, in that case the Paramchaitanya will cut you off, it will say « Go away if you want to makeyourself important. Go away ! » It cuts you off just like a nail is cut and thrown, that person will be thrown away. For Me it is very very painful. So when people start thinking that we are doing a lot of work for sahaja yoga, we have done this and that, they should immediately calm down and try to introspect and ask themselves: Do we meditate? Are we able to meditate? How deep are we ? And then they should see how many people they love and how many we are creating enemies. In Sahaja Yoga some people have gone very deep, very deep indeed, there is no doubt about it. But there are many who are still on the shores and we cannot say when these people will be thrown out. Because, as I have told you before, after the year 1990 a new dimension will be opened. You will have to take a leap up from this state to settle down in this new dimension and you have to imbibe the new thing which is coming. Like a wheel when it is moving, the whole wheel goes round but the center of the wheel just moves forward. In the same way Sahaja Yoga is also going to progress collectively. And to stay in this dimension the very first thing needed within us is purity, which should be filled with humility. You must have seen in the world that lot of people who think that they are very pure. Morning, evening they will do their prayers, they will not allow anybody to touch them, they will not eat this, they will not eat that. If somebody comes they say ok you will sit far away. If they touch them they will become very angry, they will not like it, this is madness. If you are absolutely pure, absolutely clean, then if anybody touches you, if somebody talks to you, you will never become impure. Because you can purify everything, because it is your nature to purify everything. So whomsoever you meet you will purify that person. So why should you be afraid and why should you condemn them and why should you try to gossip about others? If you are doing this, it’s the sign that your own purity is lacking. If your purity is complete then in that purity there is the power and the brightness. It is so powerful that it can absorb any impurity. As I told you all the rivers, all the dirt, comes and is absorbed by the sea. The second type of people are those who think only of their own progress. They think that they do not have anything to do with others, they will sit in their house, they do a puja to Mother, they do aarti. They feel that they should progress (individually), but have nothing to do with others and they keep aloof from others. This kind of people cannot progress because you are a part and parcel of the same body. Imagine if a finger ties itself with a thread thinking that it has nothing to do with the whole body and saying that “I will stay alone”. Then the finger will die because how can the blood circulate to the finger? How can the veins go in the finger? How can the awareness go in the finger? Because it will remain separated. You can try to attach a finger for 5 days then you will see that this finger will stop working, it will be completely useless. Then you will say « Mother, I do such a lot of pujas, I take such a lot of mantras, I work a lot for Sahaja Yoga, then why this thing has happened? » Because you are separated, you moved away from the Samuhik Shakti (collective power). Sahaja Yoga is a collective power. So when you go away from this collectivity then you are going away from the power of collectivity. So we have to take care of both the things. One has to take care of one’s own power and also be collective. Only then you will remain in the balanced state. But sometimes outside people do a lot of things. I have seen some people do a lot of work for Sahaja yoga, they used to give good speeches, they could talk well. Then, they made audio recordings of their talks and they started telling others that you should hear my tape (recording) and the people started listening to their talks instead of My talks. So much so that, for example I am sitting here, they will come and do Namaskar to the photo but not to Me ! Because they were used to bowing to the photo, they had nothing to do with Me. They only dealt with the photo. Such kind of very strange people I have seen. Then they also got their own photo printed and started showed that photo to everybody saying that see I am like this, I am like that. So, in all the possible manner they tried to show their own importance and slowly and gradually they fell in a big ditch. They did not even understand how it happened but it so happened that they fell apart from Sahaja Yoga. Now we do not see them anywhere. People started telling me Mother they were big leaders and everything. Yes, they were, but where did they go? They went. What can I do? They just evaporated. Where? I do not know. Why did they go away? These people they went out of Sahaja Yoga because they did not have balance. And then somebody that does not have balance then one goes to the left or to the right. As I told you even in the past, several times, that there are two types of forces are working within us. By one force we are attracted towards Sahaja Yoga and with other force we are thrown out. Like, for example, on a rope you put a stone and you swirl it, the stone will keep on turning in a circle till it is connected with the rope. As soon as it is separated from the rope then it is thrown away like a tangent. In this way many sahaja yogis have been thrown out. They have gone out of Sahaja Yoga. Then people start saying Mother in Sahaja Yoga there are less people now. What can I do? But if there are less people in Sahaja Yoga it is not the loss of Sahaja Yoga, it is their own loss (of these people). There is absolutely no loss for Sahaja Yoga because for something which has nothing to do with profit or loss how can it lose something? Yes if you want to have the full benefit of it then you try to understand this, but know that Sahaja Yoga does not need you, you need Sahaja Yoga. Now the other meaning of « yog » is Yukti - means a trick. First (meaning) is that you should be connected and secondly “Yukti”. That “Yukti” you have to understand what is “yukti”, what is this “trick”. We can understand this in 3 ways. First, Yukti is that we have to have the knowledge about it. Knowledge does not mean with intelligence but the awakening of the Kundalini, which gives complete knowledge on the finger tips. When you have this kind of knowledge then you start understanding other types of knowledge also. Many things, which you could not understand earlier, you start understanding now. Now you understand who is truth and who is untruth. And with this knowledge you can awaken the Kundalini of others and then you can even try to explain to them. And you can become integrated with them. You can talk with them, discuss with them about this knowledge. So because of this knowledge you get intellectual knowledge too. You understand Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise in the previous times, in the past, who could understand this? Like Kabira has said “Ida pingala sukhamana nadi re, ….. Ek hi dor udaunga” (Ida, Pingala and Sushumna are the three channels …. Only one thread / cord / rope will be risen - the Kundalini). So, this kind of talk Kabira used to do, did anybody understand what he said? Did anybody understand Nanaka ? Did anybody understand Gyaneshwara? Or did anybody understand LaoTsé? Everybody thought that the saints are saying something very mysterious and secretive and thus they ignored it. But after being in Sahaja Yoga you have started understanding everything. So, your even intellectual capacities have increased. You’ve become more clever. You’ve understood it. It’s good that you have understood it. Whatever was secret and a non-understandable that also you have been able to understand, and everything you’ve been able to grasp. This is the first Yukti that you have increased your knowledge. Now what is the second Yukti ? Is that you have Bhakti (devotion) for Me. Now when you have this Bhakti, it should be Ananya-bhakti (« Ananya » means where there is not the other, no duality), you should do Ananya-bhakti, means that you have to become one with Me. You start thinking as I think. For example, today the puja got delayed. I could have said: I am also tired, it is so late, I didn’t sleep and I cannot do it. But I thought that the puja of Navaratri has to be done at night and I got the right auspicious time to do this puja and it has to happen at this time and it will happen at that time and we are doing it with such a lot of joy because this is the auspicious time and we should be ready for that. Then we should not think that we are tired, we did not even rest, nothing, because this is the right time. For example a soldier goes on the war field and he sees that there is the enemy in front of him so he should know that that is the right time to kill that enemy and he should kill that enemy at that time. Thus in the same way this is the right time for us to do the puja. Thus you are all sitting here. You should also understand that Mother has chosen this time to do the puja and it is very essential for us that the puja has to be done at this time. But there are half-baked sahaja yogis who will think in opposite way « We have come here, we are waiting since this morning, we’ve have done this, now we are hungry, we have not eaten, children are sleeping…. » So, this is not Ananya-bhakti, because My thoughts have not become your thoughts. The way I am thinking you’re not thinking. ……[blank]…… Sometimes some people say « Mother, this man is very bad ». I say « No, he’s a very good man, an excellent man ». So they will start saying « Mother, how could you say like this? Why did you say like this? » Then I start wondering why you are unable to see what I see. If they are seeing with My eyes they should also see what I see, but that it is not the case. They are seeing something which I am not seeing. They are seeing something else. So, this is not « Ananya » (being one, the oneness). This is « Anya », meaning other (the duality). In the same way My love for you is there. So I’m very satisfied if you are able to feel the same way for others as I feel for you. If that is not the case then I feel that it is « anya » (separated) and not « ananya » (one). If everybody is a part of My body then they should become like Me. They should think like Me and they should do like what I am doing. But why do they think differently? From where do these strange thoughts come in their mind? From where do these thoughts come? So, this is not ananya-bhakti. This bhakti is something different. So, your way of thinking, your way of working, your love for others, should be exactly as you love me. If My love is the Source of all love then whatever is in the well, it should come out in the bucket. How can anything else come in the bucket? If there is something else in the bucket, I feel that they have taken the water from some other well. Not from My well. Now the third is that people say that I am surrendered to You. I am very much surrendered. So, in that case, if I tell you something, if I try to explain you something, if I suggest something to you, there is no question if denying it or refusing it. If you and Me are one then this question of refusal should not arise. Whatever Mother has said it’s OK. We have become like Mother so we cannot refuse. It’s like my eyes are seeing you so they know that you are sitting in front of Me. Because these eyes are Mine, I also know that you are sitting here. So whatever is My understanding and the understanding of My eyes, it is the same. There is no difference. What I am understanding through My intelligence, I am understanding the same through my eyes. This is because you do not have the Tathakarita (oneness with Me). So, this is the second yukti, « Mother, come in my heart, come in my head, come in my thoughts, come in every moment of my life ». Wherever you ask Me I will be available. But you have to say it, isn’t it? and also with full heart. But if you make come to me to attain some gain, it’s no good. But once the connection with Me is established, then all the purposes will be automatically attained. You don’t have to do anything. Then all the purposes will be served and your attention will be in that direction. Now, the third thing (yukti) is that (like we say) « We are doing this work; we have done some work for sahaja yoga. We have done these decorations, we have done so many things… ». If you think that “I” have done it, then you are not a sahaja yogi. In Sahaja Yoga all your karmas (actions), all what you are doing should become a-karma (non-actions). But if you think that « I am doing something, I have written this poem, I have done something,...» very subtly you have to see that sometimes, do I sometimes think like that? that I have done something. Does this kind of thought come in my head? If so, then my yoga is not yet complete. When your yoga is complete then these kind of thoughts will not come. You will never think like this. Even these kinds of thoughts will not come, you will become a-karma. Then you talk like « this is happening, that is happening, everything is happening ». And you will start speaking this way. When it happens to you like this then you can say that you have got the oneness with Me. Like My hand is moving, it does not say « I am doing this ». It does not even know that it is doing something. But the work gets done. But if it starts thinking that I am doing, then you should know that the hand is cut away from the body, it’s not connected. If it is connected, then it will never feel that « I am moving, I’m holding something ». It will never feel that way. If you are feeling that I am doing something then chaitanya says “Go ahead, do it”. And then all kind of problems start. This is the third yukti. Third trick. With this trick you should learn that do I (feel that ) am doing something, you should try to introspect. Am « I » doing something? What am « I » doing? Before finding the light, whatever you were doing, you had that ego that « I am doing something » because you were alone. You were Vyashthi (single). Now you have come in Samasthi (collective), you’ve come in the collective. You’ve come in samuhik. So you are not doing anything. You are just a part and parcel of that collective and all the work is being done. This is the third Yukti you should understand. I am trying to tell you all these Yuktis because now you have to take that jump (into the new dimension). And you should always try to introspect on these lines. And you have to put attention on yourself and not on others. It’s better that I look at myself and see what am I thinking? Do I think that somebody is better than me so that I should learn something from him. So I can acquire some of his qualities. But do I see his qualities or just I see only his drawbacks? If we see the qualities of others and our drawbacks, then it’s a very good thing. Because you’re not able to eliminate the drawbacks of others. You even do not have the right to do that. You have the right to take out your drawbacks in order to improve yourself. So if you see what others are doing, how they are (behaving), then you’re not settled in this yoga. You have to always see what is still lacking in me. Only by saying that way you can improve. By seeing the bad points of others you can never improve. It’s like you’re thinking that in somebody else’s house the things are not very good. There are some problems. Is your house going to be cleaned by thinking this way? [Not clear] You should know that if you have got some problems it’s because there are some drawbacks in you. Sahaja yoga is a very big thing. It’s a very innovative thing. But if we are not able to enjoy it fully that means there is some drawback in us. And if we are able to master these yuktis what will you get? Only Joy, Nirananda. Nothing else. And then what will happen is that your face will change. You will be just in joy all the time. So on this day of My birthday it’s also, in a way, your birthday. And so you should try to understand these youktis and you should fill yourself with purity like Shri Ganesha. Only with purity can the wisdom settle down in us. Because the other name of love is purity. But wisdom is also love. All these things are other words for love. If you’re not able to acquire this wisdom and you are not able to love then even after coming to Sahaja Yoga you’re wasting your time. Because now the time has come that everybody has to be united and become one. We have to transform ourselves; we have to absolutely transform ourselves. We have got some drawbacks so we have to remove them and fill us up with purity. This is how you love yourself. For example if your child is a little bit dirty you will go and clean him because you are loving your child. In the same way when you start loving yourself then you will try to transform yourself and try to see « how much I have been transformed. And you will think still I have some drawbacks, some dirt, some blockages. Still I am like this ». As a the result of this transformation, the divine blesses and transforms your complete life into something so beautiful that we cannot describe it. Like Kabir again has said “jab mast hue phir kya bole” (When I am drenched in joy I am speechless). So you should all achieve that state of masti. (Masti means state of joy, just enjoying yourself). And I bless you that all of you achieve that stage of masti, of that joy and you enjoy that state of joy. This are My blessings to you.

Today is the 4th day of Navaratri and as you know that the puja of Navaratri has to be celebrated only during the night. To take out the darkness it is very necessary that the nights should be lighted. Today there is also another coincidence that you are celebrating My Birthday. On this day, Gauriji established Shri Ganesha after her marriage. Shri Ganesha is the source of purity. The very first thing in the world which was established was purity so that it spreads all over so that all the living beings, even the human beings, all those who came into this world should be protected by purity and should keep away from impure things. That is why the whole creation was drenched with purity by Gauriji. And only after that the creation came into existence. So it is of utmost importance in our lives that we should place purity at the highest place. But purity does not mean that we clean ourselves, take our bath, or even for the body to keep it alright, but we should clean our hearts. The biggest disorder (enemy) of the heart is anger: It is the biggest sickness. And when a person is angry, his purity is destroyed. Because another name of purity is selfless love: that love which always flows and does not expect anything in return. The satisfaction of this love is that it’s just flowing and when it does not flow it gets suffocated and it gets disturbed. So, purity means that you fill your heart with love, not with anger. Anger is our enemy of course but it’s the enemy of the whole world. Whenever there have been big wars in the world, whatever destruction happened, it has happened because of collective anger. There are many excuses for anger: I got angry because this thing happened, I got angry because that thing happened. To become angry human beings can always find some reason. But you should know that even extremely destructive things like war have come because of this anger. The basic reason behind that is anger. If our heart is full of love then we cannot be angry. And even if we have to show that we are angry, artificially angry, that is also done for love. If there is a rakshasa, demon, a very cruel demon, which has to be killed, he is killed also because of love, because when he deserves to be killed so he will not commit any more sins. But this is not the work of human beings, this is the work of Devi, and which She has done during this Navaratri. Now we have to expand our heart and see in our heart for whom we have selfless love, which does not expect anything. It’s not that we have love like: this is my son, this my sister, this is my house, these are my things. But you have to see for whom you have this kind of love. Amongst the human beings you have been raised to a very high level because you have become sahaja yogis. Your yoga, your connection, has been done with this very subtle power of love of God Almighty. And this power is flowing continuously within you, which is nourishing you, which is protecting you and it is elevating you. Again and again it motivates you, protects you, gives you pure joy. It fills you with sweet love. We have been united with this beautiful power, but we have to see that even now how much place do we have in our heart for such kind of power. In our heart we have love for our Mother, that is true, you love your Mother very much and because of this love you are tuned, you are in tune with the joy, it is giving you joy. But we should have 2 more types of love within us. Only then we can say that we love Mother. Firstly, we should love ourselves, we should say to ourselves: I’m a sahaja yogi. We got this power very easily but we have to see how we can grow (spiritually). Many people work hard to spread Sahaja yoga, which we can call the horizontal movement. It is like spreading it in all the directions. But these yogis do not put attention on themselves. Thus their own vertical movement is not there. They do not achieve their (own) spiritual growth. They can do a lot of things outside, they can run about, they can do a lot of work, they will be very busy, they will meet people, but they are not increasing their inner power. Now the second type of people are those who put attention a lot on their inner power, but they do not put the attention on the outside. So this creates an imbalance. When we put lot of attention on the outside, this outside activity grows but the inner power becomes less and less. And then it becomes so less that they go on the brink, the boundaries, and they start falling into the ego trip. They start thinking how much we have worked for sahaja yoga, how much we have worked hard. When they start thinking like this a new life starts for such kind of people which is not at all useful for sahaja yoga. Then they start thinking that « I’m a very big leader and everybody should give me importance » which is self-importance. Everywhere they see that they should be given importance, in all the things they will try that their own importance is increased, they will try to show their own specialty, they will always come in the front, but from inside there is a hollowness which increases. And then suddenly what happens? They have some kind of a sickness, they become mad. They have some big problem in their life. Then they start saying Mother we were completely surrendered to You, so how did this happen? Why should it happen to me like this, what went wrong? But the responsibility is on yourself because you started drifting away, and this kind of people start staying by himself (disconnected with others). They cannot get along with other people. Their only connection is that how much they can dominate others. And how much they can show that they are above others, they are superior to others. Then they go on showing their own importance, they should be included in everything and always given importance. If someone does not give him any importance then it is a great mistake. Then they start faltering to such an extent that they will even forget that they have to do something for Mother. You have to give something to Mother also. These kind of people I’ve seen in some places, like in Rahuri, even in Bombay, some persons suddenly come up. They try to become very important and in such places there was not even the aarti. Luckily for Me there was at least My photo, but nobody had a desire even to clean the photo. Thanks God that they did not put their own photo! Their own importance and their own show off! Putting themselves higher than others and separating themselves from others. They would not ask anybody, they would start doing things by themselves. Then the quarrel started and groups started forming. The common bond that binds you all together is the thread of your Mother and if you want to remain in that bond then all the time you have to remember that we are the children of the same Mother, and that nobody is higher or lower. And we do not do any work, this Chaitanya (the All-Pervading power of God) is doing everything, I’m not doing anything. But if we are thinking that I am so great, I have done this and am going to do this and that, then Paramchaitanya says « Ok, go ahead. Do what you want, go wherever you want to go. If you want to go in hell you can go to hell. If you want to destroy yourself, you can destroy yourself. If you want to be in complete destruction then also you can do it. Whatever you want to do you can do it. » It will not stop you because it respects your freedom. You should know that if you want to go to heaven it can take you to heaven but if you want to go to hell then even that can be arranged. But in Sahaja Yoga there is one big fault, one very big drawback. We are a big Virat Shakti (collective power), we are not alone, we are the different parts of the same body. But in this body if there are one or two persons or there are three or four persons who start making their own group then it becomes like cancer, like malignancy, like one cell starts growing. Then that person can grow and can contaminate whole Sahaja Yoga. And in that case all My efforts will be in vain. We should try to learn from the sea which stays at the lowest level and thus it absorbs all the rivers inside itself. And without the sea the world cannot exists. The sea evaporates the water inside which becomes the steam and it goes and gives the gift of the rain in the whole world. The humility of the sea is a sign of its depth, but this humility is not superficial, that we say hello mister, Namaste, it’s not like this, but it remains in the lowest level, it absorbs everything, it purifies everything. Then it converts itself into steam and showers the rain. And then when the rain comes the rivers are formed and these rivers come running towards the same sea and it will go into the sea. Then if you see the sea, if you observe the sea, on the shores of the sea you will observe that all the coconut trees, which are there, are always bent towards the sea. There is a lot of breeze coming from the sea but they never bend away from the sea because they know that it is the sea. So in the same way our heart becomes like the sea when we become extremely humble and the heart is filled with love. But if we have always giving self-importance, feeling always that we are something special, in that case the Paramchaitanya will cut you off, it will say « Go away if you want to makeyourself important. Go away ! » It cuts you off just like a nail is cut and thrown, that person will be thrown away. For Me it is very very painful. So when people start thinking that we are doing a lot of work for sahaja yoga, we have done this and that, they should immediately calm down and try to introspect and ask themselves: Do we meditate? Are we able to meditate? How deep are we ? And then they should see how many people they love and how many we are creating enemies. In Sahaja Yoga some people have gone very deep, very deep indeed, there is no doubt about it. But there are many who are still on the shores and we cannot say when these people will be thrown out. Because, as I have told you before, after the year 1990 a new dimension will be opened. You will have to take a leap up from this state to settle down in this new dimension and you have to imbibe the new thing which is coming. Like a wheel when it is moving, the whole wheel goes round but the center of the wheel just moves forward. In the same way Sahaja Yoga is also going to progress collectively. And to stay in this dimension the very first thing needed within us is purity, which should be filled with humility. You must have seen in the world that lot of people who think that they are very pure. Morning, evening they will do their prayers, they will not allow anybody to touch them, they will not eat this, they will not eat that. If somebody comes they say ok you will sit far away. If they touch them they will become very angry, they will not like it, this is madness. If you are absolutely pure, absolutely clean, then if anybody touches you, if somebody talks to you, you will never become impure. Because you can purify everything, because it is your nature to purify everything. So whomsoever you meet you will purify that person. So why should you be afraid and why should you condemn them and why should you try to gossip about others? If you are doing this, it’s the sign that your own purity is lacking. If your purity is complete then in that purity there is the power and the brightness. It is so powerful that it can absorb any impurity. As I told you all the rivers, all the dirt, comes and is absorbed by the sea. The second type of people are those who think only of their own progress. They think that they do not have anything to do with others, they will sit in their house, they do a puja to Mother, they do aarti. They feel that they should progress (individually), but have nothing to do with others and they keep aloof from others. This kind of people cannot progress because you are a part and parcel of the same body. Imagine if a finger ties itself with a thread thinking that it has nothing to do with the whole body and saying that “I will stay alone”. Then the finger will die because how can the blood circulate to the finger? How can the veins go in the finger? How can the awareness go in the finger? Because it will remain separated. You can try to attach a finger for 5 days then you will see that this finger will stop working, it will be completely useless. Then you will say « Mother, I do such a lot of pujas, I take such a lot of mantras, I work a lot for Sahaja Yoga, then why this thing has happened? » Because you are separated, you moved away from the Samuhik Shakti (collective power). Sahaja Yoga is a collective power. So when you go away from this collectivity then you are going away from the power of collectivity. So we have to take care of both the things. One has to take care of one’s own power and also be collective. Only then you will remain in the balanced state. But sometimes outside people do a lot of things. I have seen some people do a lot of work for Sahaja yoga, they used to give good speeches, they could talk well. Then, they made audio recordings of their talks and they started telling others that you should hear my tape (recording) and the people started listening to their talks instead of My talks. So much so that, for example I am sitting here, they will come and do Namaskar to the photo but not to Me ! Because they were used to bowing to the photo, they had nothing to do with Me. They only dealt with the photo. Such kind of very strange people I have seen. Then they also got their own photo printed and started showed that photo to everybody saying that see I am like this, I am like that. So, in all the possible manner they tried to show their own importance and slowly and gradually they fell in a big ditch. They did not even understand how it happened but it so happened that they fell apart from Sahaja Yoga. Now we do not see them anywhere. People started telling me Mother they were big leaders and everything. Yes, they were, but where did they go? They went. What can I do? They just evaporated. Where? I do not know. Why did they go away? These people they went out of Sahaja Yoga because they did not have balance. And then somebody that does not have balance then one goes to the left or to the right. As I told you even in the past, several times, that there are two types of forces are working within us. By one force we are attracted towards Sahaja Yoga and with other force we are thrown out. Like, for example, on a rope you put a stone and you swirl it, the stone will keep on turning in a circle till it is connected with the rope. As soon as it is separated from the rope then it is thrown away like a tangent. In this way many sahaja yogis have been thrown out. They have gone out of Sahaja Yoga. Then people start saying Mother in Sahaja Yoga there are less people now. What can I do? But if there are less people in Sahaja Yoga it is not the loss of Sahaja Yoga, it is their own loss (of these people). There is absolutely no loss for Sahaja Yoga because for something which has nothing to do with profit or loss how can it lose something? Yes if you want to have the full benefit of it then you try to understand this, but know that Sahaja Yoga does not need you, you need Sahaja Yoga. Now the other meaning of « yog » is Yukti - means a trick. First (meaning) is that you should be connected and secondly “Yukti”. That “Yukti” you have to understand what is “yukti”, what is this “trick”. We can understand this in 3 ways. First, Yukti is that we have to have the knowledge about it. Knowledge does not mean with intelligence but the awakening of the Kundalini, which gives complete knowledge on the finger tips. When you have this kind of knowledge then you start understanding other types of knowledge also. Many things, which you could not understand earlier, you start understanding now. Now you understand who is truth and who is untruth. And with this knowledge you can awaken the Kundalini of others and then you can even try to explain to them. And you can become integrated with them. You can talk with them, discuss with them about this knowledge. So because of this knowledge you get intellectual knowledge too. You understand Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise in the previous times, in the past, who could understand this? Like Kabira has said “Ida pingala sukhamana nadi re, ….. Ek hi dor udaunga” (Ida, Pingala and Sushumna are the three channels …. Only one thread / cord / rope will be risen - the Kundalini). So, this kind of talk Kabira used to do, did anybody understand what he said? Did anybody understand Nanaka ? Did anybody understand Gyaneshwara? Or did anybody understand LaoTsé? Everybody thought that the saints are saying something very mysterious and secretive and thus they ignored it. But after being in Sahaja Yoga you have started understanding everything. So, your even intellectual capacities have increased. You’ve become more clever. You’ve understood it. It’s good that you have understood it. Whatever was secret and a non-understandable that also you have been able to understand, and everything you’ve been able to grasp. This is the first Yukti that you have increased your knowledge. Now what is the second Yukti ? Is that you have Bhakti (devotion) for Me. Now when you have this Bhakti, it should be Ananya-bhakti (« Ananya » means where there is not the other, no duality), you should do Ananya-bhakti, means that you have to become one with Me. You start thinking as I think. For example, today the puja got delayed. I could have said: I am also tired, it is so late, I didn’t sleep and I cannot do it. But I thought that the puja of Navaratri has to be done at night and I got the right auspicious time to do this puja and it has to happen at this time and it will happen at that time and we are doing it with such a lot of joy because this is the auspicious time and we should be ready for that. Then we should not think that we are tired, we did not even rest, nothing, because this is the right time. For example a soldier goes on the war field and he sees that there is the enemy in front of him so he should know that that is the right time to kill that enemy and he should kill that enemy at that time. Thus in the same way this is the right time for us to do the puja. Thus you are all sitting here. You should also understand that Mother has chosen this time to do the puja and it is very essential for us that the puja has to be done at this time. But there are half-baked sahaja yogis who will think in opposite way « We have come here, we are waiting since this morning, we’ve have done this, now we are hungry, we have not eaten, children are sleeping…. » So, this is not Ananya-bhakti, because My thoughts have not become your thoughts. The way I am thinking you’re not thinking. ……[blank]…… Sometimes some people say « Mother, this man is very bad ». I say « No, he’s a very good man, an excellent man ». So they will start saying « Mother, how could you say like this? Why did you say like this? » Then I start wondering why you are unable to see what I see. If they are seeing with My eyes they should also see what I see, but that it is not the case. They are seeing something which I am not seeing. They are seeing something else. So, this is not « Ananya » (being one, the oneness). This is « Anya », meaning other (the duality). In the same way My love for you is there. So I’m very satisfied if you are able to feel the same way for others as I feel for you. If that is not the case then I feel that it is « anya » (separated) and not « ananya » (one). If everybody is a part of My body then they should become like Me. They should think like Me and they should do like what I am doing. But why do they think differently? From where do these strange thoughts come in their mind? From where do these thoughts come? So, this is not ananya-bhakti. This bhakti is something different. So, your way of thinking, your way of working, your love for others, should be exactly as you love me. If My love is the Source of all love then whatever is in the well, it should come out in the bucket. How can anything else come in the bucket? If there is something else in the bucket, I feel that they have taken the water from some other well. Not from My well. Now the third is that people say that I am surrendered to You. I am very much surrendered. So, in that case, if I tell you something, if I try to explain you something, if I suggest something to you, there is no question if denying it or refusing it. If you and Me are one then this question of refusal should not arise. Whatever Mother has said it’s OK. We have become like Mother so we cannot refuse. It’s like my eyes are seeing you so they know that you are sitting in front of Me. Because these eyes are Mine, I also know that you are sitting here. So whatever is My understanding and the understanding of My eyes, it is the same. There is no difference. What I am understanding through My intelligence, I am understanding the same through my eyes. This is because you do not have the Tathakarita (oneness with Me). So, this is the second yukti, « Mother, come in my heart, come in my head, come in my thoughts, come in every moment of my life ». Wherever you ask Me I will be available. But you have to say it, isn’t it? and also with full heart. But if you make come to me to attain some gain, it’s no good. But once the connection with Me is established, then all the purposes will be automatically attained. You don’t have to do anything. Then all the purposes will be served and your attention will be in that direction. Now, the third thing (yukti) is that (like we say) « We are doing this work; we have done some work for sahaja yoga. We have done these decorations, we have done so many things… ». If you think that “I” have done it, then you are not a sahaja yogi. In Sahaja Yoga all your karmas (actions), all what you are doing should become a-karma (non-actions). But if you think that « I am doing something, I have written this poem, I have done something,...» very subtly you have to see that sometimes, do I sometimes think like that? that I have done something. Does this kind of thought come in my head? If so, then my yoga is not yet complete. When your yoga is complete then these kind of thoughts will not come. You will never think like this. Even these kinds of thoughts will not come, you will become a-karma. Then you talk like « this is happening, that is happening, everything is happening ». And you will start speaking this way. When it happens to you like this then you can say that you have got the oneness with Me. Like My hand is moving, it does not say « I am doing this ». It does not even know that it is doing something. But the work gets done. But if it starts thinking that I am doing, then you should know that the hand is cut away from the body, it’s not connected. If it is connected, then it will never feel that « I am moving, I’m holding something ». It will never feel that way. If you are feeling that I am doing something then chaitanya says “Go ahead, do it”. And then all kind of problems start. This is the third yukti. Third trick. With this trick you should learn that do I (feel that ) am doing something, you should try to introspect. Am « I » doing something? What am « I » doing? Before finding the light, whatever you were doing, you had that ego that « I am doing something » because you were alone. You were Vyashthi (single). Now you have come in Samasthi (collective), you’ve come in the collective. You’ve come in samuhik. So you are not doing anything. You are just a part and parcel of that collective and all the work is being done. This is the third Yukti you should understand. I am trying to tell you all these Yuktis because now you have to take that jump (into the new dimension). And you should always try to introspect on these lines. And you have to put attention on yourself and not on others. It’s better that I look at myself and see what am I thinking? Do I think that somebody is better than me so that I should learn something from him. So I can acquire some of his qualities. But do I see his qualities or just I see only his drawbacks? If we see the qualities of others and our drawbacks, then it’s a very good thing. Because you’re not able to eliminate the drawbacks of others. You even do not have the right to do that. You have the right to take out your drawbacks in order to improve yourself. So if you see what others are doing, how they are (behaving), then you’re not settled in this yoga. You have to always see what is still lacking in me. Only by saying that way you can improve. By seeing the bad points of others you can never improve. It’s like you’re thinking that in somebody else’s house the things are not very good. There are some problems. Is your house going to be cleaned by thinking this way? [Not clear] You should know that if you have got some problems it’s because there are some drawbacks in you. Sahaja yoga is a very big thing. It’s a very innovative thing. But if we are not able to enjoy it fully that means there is some drawback in us. And if we are able to master these yuktis what will you get? Only Joy, Nirananda. Nothing else. And then what will happen is that your face will change. You will be just in joy all the time. So on this day of My birthday it’s also, in a way, your birthday. And so you should try to understand these youktis and you should fill yourself with purity like Shri Ganesha. Only with purity can the wisdom settle down in us. Because the other name of love is purity. But wisdom is also love. All these things are other words for love. If you’re not able to acquire this wisdom and you are not able to love then even after coming to Sahaja Yoga you’re wasting your time. Because now the time has come that everybody has to be united and become one. We have to transform ourselves; we have to absolutely transform ourselves. We have got some drawbacks so we have to remove them and fill us up with purity. This is how you love yourself. For example if your child is a little bit dirty you will go and clean him because you are loving your child. In the same way when you start loving yourself then you will try to transform yourself and try to see « how much I have been transformed. And you will think still I have some drawbacks, some dirt, some blockages. Still I am like this ». As a the result of this transformation, the divine blesses and transforms your complete life into something so beautiful that we cannot describe it. Like Kabir again has said “jab mast hue phir kya bole” (When I am drenched in joy I am speechless). So you should all achieve that state of masti. (Masti means state of joy, just enjoying yourself). And I bless you that all of you achieve that stage of masti, of that joy and you enjoy that state of joy. This are My blessings to you.

4/1/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=9949

Public Program

India

Yamuna Nagar

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4/3/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=20347

Public Program

India

Noida

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Public Program

Hindi

4/4/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=20077

Public Program Day 1

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New Delhi

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Public Program

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4/5/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=8603

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India

New Delhi

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Public Program

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4/7/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=20344

Marriage Anniversary of Shri Mataji

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New Delhi

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

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4/9/1990

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Adi Shakti Puja

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Kolkata

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Adi Shakti

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1990-04-09 Adi Shakti Puja, Kolkata, India The people of Kolkata, I am very happy to see your progress. I know that there are many deep seekers in this city. But they do not know as yet that the time has come, where they can get what they have been searching for. You people should go to them and look for such people who are seeking the truth. That is why it is important that we should expand and spread ourselves in all directions. Along with that we should also increase our own Powers. We should change our lives also. We should also make our lives enlightened like a lamp that is always emitting light, on seeing which people should recognize – ‘this person is someone special’, ‘there is some greatness about this person’. Not just that but when you use your Powers, people will understand that these people don’t just talk but can also do whatever they say. For this, I will say that meditation and contemplation is very important. Kolkata is a very busy city and people get engrossed in this busyness. They find very little time. This time, which we have tied on our hands like a watch is meant for our own ascent and for our progress within. If we have to grow on the inside, if we have to know ourselves from within it is important that we meditate for a sometime every day. Those people who meditate in the evening for some time and also in the morning and those who don’t meditate, a lot of difference is seen in them. Especially people who do a lot of work externally for Sahaja Yoga, go here and there, talk to people, give lectures, make others understand; in such people the Divine energy slowly gets depleted. That is why it is even more important and necessary that such people should meditate every day. There is nothing special to be done for meditation. Before going to sleep, meditate for some time and in the morning after you bathe meditate for some time. This itself is enough. But when you meditate, how do you recognize whether your meditation was done properly? During meditation you should first establish thoughtless awareness. At that moment you should keep saying ‘not this’, ‘not this’ or ‘neti’, ‘neti’ – like this you should turn away your thoughts. By doing this and by taking two breaths, after the first breath you will become thoughtless. You should keep the photo in front and light a candle in front of the Photograph. Put your feet in salt water and sit in front of it. When you become thoughtless and vibrations start flowing in both hands then wipe your feet, place it on the ground and go into meditation. Go deep into meditation. If you start getting thoughts again, you can say, ‘not this’ ‘not this’ or say ‘kshma’, ‘kshma’ [I forgive, I forgive]. The word ‘kshma’ [I forgive] is very important. Just by staying this your thoughts can stop. When there is no peace how can you have growth? Supposing there is an earthquake, how can a tree cannot grow when it’s shaky? So similarly when a person is stuck in ‘earthquake’ [disturbance of thoughts] then his progress is impossible. That is why it is important to establish the peace within. For that also there are one or two mantras which you can say, which will first establish the peace within. After a while you will be surprised, that you need not do so much exercise. You will become thoughtless at once. On becoming thoughtless you will reach the state which we call as thoughtless awareness. Normally, even while walking on the road, effortlessly you will become thoughtless. When you see some beautiful thing or something artistic, you will become thoughtless. Slowly this habit will grow and as you become more and more thoughtless, your inner progress takes place. Meaning you have reached a new threshold but you have to still enter another threshold and have to know yourself. That is why it is important that you go deeper in meditation. One more way to recognize is that when you get up from meditation, you do not feel like getting up, you feel like sitting in meditation a little longer. You will feel – ‘right now I am enjoying, will continue for some more time’. After meditation if you can take your attention to other things like – ‘I have to eat’, or ‘have to sleep’, or ‘have to go out’, anything, then know that you have not been in a state of meditation. Because to come out of the state of meditation is a little difficult. In this way you will slowly progress within and when you do any work outside you will feel that your Power does not diminish, but on the contrary it increases. Many times it has been seen that people after getting Realization immediately start giving Realization to others, then they get caught up. Actually there is nothing like catches. It is like in a barometer or in an instrument you can tell where the smoke is, where the light is. In the same way you can know everything within yourself. If you are getting caught up or facing difficulties, then it is better that you progress alone for some time. An attitude of non-expectancy should be there. A detachment should come in. Then you will not get catches. No matter how many people you give Realization to, whatever work you do, cure any ailments, it will have no effect on you. But without achieving detached state, if you give to others, you can get into trouble. The second thing is that you people are now Realized souls. You attained very high state, which is reached only after great difficulties. You will find some people have just come into Sahaja Yoga. You should not say aggressive things to them. You should win them over with your love, patience, understanding. And If possible you can make some arrangement for food and drink, by which they may not think you are so terrifying. Like saints and sages always have a stick in their hands, you should not be like that. They should feel that they have reached a place where all are like brothers and sisters, near and dear ones. By this only people will stay in Sahaja Yoga. I have seen that one or two who come into Sahaja Yoga, start disciplining others – ‘don’t stand here’, or ‘don’t stand there’, ‘don’t do this or that’ etc. Especially in Sahaja Yoga there is no need to discipline. Because your Spirit emits light. In that light you yourself can see, ‘I had so much of ego’, ‘I used to behave inappropriately’, ‘so many things were wrong with me’. You gradually know yourself and start laughing at yourself – ‘I was so mad, such an enormous ocean of joy was here, what was I doing leaving all this?’ Just as you slowly disciplined yourself and progressed, others also will progress slowly. What is greater discipline than the enlightenment of the Spirit? The light of the Spirit will guide you as to how you have to live, how you have to behave. This light shines on your behavior and the behavior of others also. It’s like you see your reflection. You witness - ‘I have such and such problem, all this is useless and needs to be thrown away’. For example – if there is a stain on this saree and we cannot see it, we will not acknowledge it. But as soon as we see it we wish to clean it. In the same way you just need to witness yourself. You have to reach that stage. In Sahaja Yoga there is a state where we can say that - one becomes the witness. Being in witness means you just see, you don’t think about it. There should be no reaction of it within you. Like when I came here I saw that there are beautiful decorations here. I only watched it. The person who made this, who decorated the place has put in their love and joy. So the ‘nirakaar’ [formless] joy has again taken a form and again becomes formless and you will feel the flow of joy within you. As soon as you see this you are flooded by it. So watch it without reaction. Meaning when you see something, there should be no reaction in you. Just witnessing it without any reaction is the most joy giving thing. There is nothing more joy giving than this. Just by seeing you will be flooded with joy. That you do not react to it. For example: a beautiful carpet has been spread out here. When we are using it, if it is yours then you think about it, ‘it is mine, hope it does not get burnt, or spoilt’. If it is not yours half your problem will be solved – ‘whosoever it belongs to, they will take care’. Or if it is someone else’s then you start thinking, ‘what could be the cost?’, ‘at what cost was it purchased?’, ‘where did they get so much of money from?’ many such thoughts also can come. Or ‘if I want to buy it, where to buy it from?’ So on and so forth, you keep getting thoughts. If you keep getting thoughts, then these thoughts will pile up like a mountain and you will not feel the joy of the person who made it. In thoughtlessness your mind should be placid and thoughtless like a lake which is placid, with not a single wave in it. In that calm, whatever is the nature’s beautiful creation that is surrounding it, is completely reflected and seen clearly. Your mind should be like that. Once you become calm, you will be surprised, ‘I have never seen anything like this’. ‘So much of joy in everything, I have never seen, ‘so much of joy in every person, I have never seen or known’. This happened in Kolkata. When I was going to America for the first time, we were staying at a hotel. There a seeker came to meet Me and fell at My Feet. He got his Realization at once and lot of flow of vibrations. Other Sahaja Yogis with Me, who were in the next room, came running to My room. I asked, “What happened?” They said, “We don’t know, we felt so much of vibrations coming from Mother’s room. We thought – what happened?” We can say he was a great man. A great seeker of God, he just came to My feet, nothing else. Whatever took place internally in that person, it alerted everyone ‘Why so much of vibrations?’ as if a Puja is being performed. This was a kind of Puja from his heart. All those who came in, hugged him. They don’t know him, they don’t know his name – ‘who is he?”, ‘where has he come from?’, ‘why did he come?’ Nothing they knew. They just hugged him and all felt the joy. Like rose flowers are being showered. I was surprised! “You people didn’t ask – ‘who are you, how did you come here?’” That’s how you will feel when you meet other Sahaja Yogis, you will feel that you have met yourself. About this, I will tell you the incident with Namdev. Namdev was a poet and a great seeker, we can say He was a Realized soul of a high level. He was a tailor. There was another saint Gora Kumhaar [potter], because he was a potter. One was a tailor and another a potter. He [Namdev] went to meet the potter. There he was mashing clay with his feet. He was preparing the clay to make an item. As soon as Namdev saw Him [Gora Kumhaar], He [Namdev] stood in astonishment. Gora Kumhaar asked him, “What are you seeing?” He recited a verse in Marathi meaning – ‘I had come here to see Nirgun [formless], but here the formless – the Chaitanya [Divine vibrations], is in sakaar [form]. The entire formless is in your form”. This kind of feeling, this kind of understanding, only one saint can feel for another saint. Till now man only lived with hatred and jealously. But when he becomes a Sahaja Yogi, then he feels that the formless which he knew has taken form in the other person - a Sahaja Yogi. He held Gora Khumhaar in such high esteem and He was meeting Him for the first time. In this way love for each other becomes very subtle, very deep and very joy giving. Whenever you meet a Sahaja Yogi, your heart becomes joyful. Similarly there in another incident – there was a Sahaja Yogini who had travelled to a far of place – Sicily. She was from Switzerland. One more Sahaja Yogini who had gone from Italy was also there. Sitting in the hotel they were attracted to each other’s presence. One of them approached the other. “Are you a Realized Soul?” She asked all of a sudden, nobody asks others such things. The other one said, “Yes”. “Did Shri Mataji give you Self Realization?” “Yes” “Even Me” Both of them joyfully hugged each other and had tears of joy. “I recognized you from such a long distance” “I had also recognized you” “How did you recognize me?” “I don’t know, just felt it from within that you are a Realized soul, you are a Sahaja Yogini. I was looking at you and you walked over to me.” Both of them had some problems that they were alone in that place and all the problems vanished. That is why you need to understand that we are connected to each other with a very delicate but a very strong thread and there is nothing thing greater than love for one another. But many people still think of ‘my son’, my sister’, ‘my brother’, ‘my house’, etc. This attachment should be cut away, it should be completely lessened. You should reduce the attachments completely, slowly you can reduce. Once this goes, you will be surprised a lot of joy will come within. This feeling goes away ‘someone mine is there’. This feeling takes you away from the Spirit. Let Me tell you how? Like – ‘my eyes’, ‘my hands’, ‘my legs’, this feeling of ‘mine’; but ‘who am I’? I am the Spirit. Nothing is mine. ‘I’ is standing separately by itself. We cannot say, ‘this is my Spirit’. If someone says, ‘this is my Spirit’, you should understand they are not Sahaja Yogis. The Spirit stands alone - untouched. It does not have anything ‘mine’. Its relationship is only with God. And with you its relationship is like the sap flowing through a tree. The sap flowing through the tree goes everywhere and nourishes everything. It will go to leaves, to the tree, to the branches, and also to the flowers and to the fruits and returns. It nourishes everything but does not stick to anything. If it sticks to one place, ‘this flower is nice, I should stay here’. If it is stuck there then the tree will die and so will the flower. This is the end of love. That is why you should take leave from ‘mine’. As soon as you give this up, you will be surprised that you were just a dot, a drop and from a drop you become the ocean. That which binds you, you will break the boundaries and become unbound [boundary less]. There is joy in this abundance because you will rise and fall with the ocean and will be tossed around in a joyful manner. Then you do not worry about what will happen in the future, what has transpired in the past? You will be in joyful state. In this way man can live in the present. It’s very important to give up the feeling of ‘mine’, the feeling of attachment. When the attachment is broken, a great movement takes place within you. In that movement you become extremely powerful. And that Power is what works. It is going to do a very big job in collectivity and the salvation of mankind can also be accomplished by this Power. How many ever such drops are there – they need to join to become the ocean. A new age has started. In Sahaja Yoga also a new age is starting today, even in Kolkata it is starting. It has started at other places also. It is a very big movement where our questions are not there. Now for us our own concerns don’t remain, but question of others becomes our concern. The question of the world rests on us, for that we need the strength, magnanimity, a height where you can see the problems of others and find solutions for them. All that responsibility lies on your shoulders. You understand that Sahaja Yogis have a huge responsibility. It’s not only that you take advantage of Sahaja Yoga, you adorn, grow in it, you enjoy it, but it has to reach every house and everyone should get Sahaja Yoga and should get the joy. In doing this job if you show and type of weakness or laxity then you will be held responsible. And it will be very wrong. So that is why people who are settled in Sahaja Yoga should stand up strong 1ike a tree. I hope that by next year Sahaja Yoga will work out in a very big way in Kolkata. More than the entire India, I have a lot of hopes on Kolkata. I can’t tell you just now the reason for it, but I will share with you someday why I feel Kolkata is a very great place. I know that the core of entire India is in Kolkata. That is why it is necessary that you people should stand up with the understanding that Kolkata is the back support and come forward and progress, and also make others progress and make your personality great. Whenever you get thoughts such as ‘my son is like this’, ‘my daughter is like this’, ‘this is my house’, you should say [to the thoughts] ‘you stay away, my personality is much greater and all this doesn’t fit into my personality’. Only then you will you become great. And we need such great people in this new movement, and the preparedness must be complete for that. All of you have a great year. This is a very important year. In Kolkata many people will come in Sahaja Yoga, you take care of them. Treat them with love, with respect and understanding. Sometimes they are aggressive, something they say some wrong things. One major problem is everyone here is harried. They are troubled because they are stuck is some or the other web. In Russia it was very easy as they have no Dharma, no gurus or cults, nothing. They were like what you can call ‘a clean plate’, so to say. So it was very easy to give them Realization. Here everyone is like, ‘I belong to this group’, or ‘I belong that group’, ‘so and so is my guru’. You are not your own. So you have to speak to them with great understanding. Then the other disease here is they go for ‘darshan’ (audience with) of the guru. What I don’t understand is the duty of the guru is not to give ‘darshan’ (audience). For ‘darshan’ there are Incarnations. Go to the temples and have a ‘darshan’. The work of the Guru is to enlighten people, to awaken them. Till he does not impart knowledge how is he a guru? Guru means one who gives knowledge. If they don’t impart knowledge, what is the use of ‘darshan’? ‘That guru made me suffer’, ‘this guru made me suffer’. All tortured people are here, but no one with knowledge. Knowledge means which you know on your central nervous system and where you can feel the All Pervading Power. If he has not given this, then to be stuck on such things is also a way to destroy yourself. You all were very great seekers and so you attained Realization. In the same way you should also give this blessings to other people, make them happy. Whatever is of low quality in us, is our own. It is there in the individual and also in the collective it is lacking. We should look at these drawbacks. If is very surprising. When someone comes into Sahaja Yoga, if he belongs to Christianity he will tell you the drawbacks of Christianity. He will laugh at it saying, “We did a lot, spent a lot of money, gave money to the Pope also but it was of no use”. And many people are blindly following Christianity. Then if you ask a Muslim, even they say. Just yesterday I met a Muslim who had come from Iran. He was telling all the ridiculous things they do which did not benefit them. He went to Haj, everything is commercialized. Then again if you ask a Hindu he will also tell the same – “We went to the temples, went to Himalayas, roamed everywhere and still did not get anything”. Similarly Jains also tell the same story. Everyone will have the same story that they went to a lot of people and it was of no use, ‘why is it so Mother?’ The reason is that these are manmade Dharmas. The ones who found these Dharmas are no more. The Dharma that you people have to follow is the real Dharma. There should be no artificiality in it. If man has made a religion it is bound to go wrong, because so far he has not got connected to God. Man has taken the real religion and put it on the wrong path. But now you people have to establish the ‘Vishwa Dharma’ [World Religion]. There should be no human faults in it. Because it is Divine and you all have attained Self-Realization. So with honesty you should make it pure, pure religion and it should be within. Not outwardly. That way when every person will see that what he has got is the truth. Then whichever religion he belonged to before, he will get the essence of it in Sahaja Yoga. He will realize that he did not achieve anything by following his religion because it was man made but in this we have awakened the religion within us. Because when you follow any man made religion, then you can commit any sin in the name of that religion; there is no binding. You may murder someone, steal somethings, destroy someone, steal from someone - anything you want. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga you yourself become Dharmic and cannot do anything wrong. You can only think of the benevolence of all not negative. This means that the Dharma has been awakened in you. But with new people, talk to them very carefully or they may feel that they are being aggressed. So you should make them understand very carefully that we have to awaken the Dharma within us. Till the Dharma is awakened within us, whatever anyone has told cannot be imbibed by us. Like Christ said something, till the time it happens within us – for example Issah Masih [Jesus Christ] said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes’. Our eyes should be ‘niranjan’ [pure – without any impurities]. But how many Christian have pure sight? In the same way great saints spoke great things. But those things are not followed, just the opposite is followed. It means that people have gone down the wrong path. But no need to tell anyone anything. So by understanding them, gradually, as they are coming from darkness to light. If they are in the darkness, whatever you tell them, they will not believe. That’s why gradually by making them understand, by first giving them the experience, make them experience and take them out of misunderstanding and make them settled in this Dharma. ‘Dharma Dhariati sa Dharma’ – Dharma that is established in you in the real Dharma. Till the time it is not established, till it is all just outside talks then it is completely useless, waste of energy. There is no meaning in this. This is the reason many say that ‘talk of Dharma is all falsehood’, ‘God is falsehood’. Nothing like that. It is all true. But only the people who are on the path of truth can find God. From wherever anyone comes, accept them, because there are many seekers of truth among them. They do know that their path is alright. But they also know from within that there is more to this from where you can be enlightened. Now that you have got the light, what is the job of a light? Its job is to give the light. Till the time the lamp is not lit, you have to do a lot of cleaning and put in a lot of effort. Once the lamp is lit then what is the work of the lamp? To give light. What is you work? It is to spread the Light that you have got. This should be done with complete confidence. There is no need to be scared. There is nothing to fear. I have seen that small children are full of confidence. They are so confident that they don’t bother about anyone. They say whatever they think is right. But when we grow up, our brains get filled with many other things and we find it difficult to come out of it. We become conditioned. So we must work with understanding, with maturity. We should talk to everyone with magnanimity, not thinking that we have to correct this person. But with open mindedness. Having the view of a father / mother, you should be speak to others. You should give love. Because this is the Power of Love which you have to attain. I bless you all. Till now the Puja of Adi Shakti has not been performed. So I am thinking that in Kolkata, we should perform the Puja of Adi Shakti for the first time. Now I will have to tell you about Adi Shakti. All the Shaktis have arisen from The Adi Shakti. The three Powers – Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati have originated from Adi Shakti and are also absorbed back into Her. Without Adi Shakti, this work is not possible. This is the job of Adi Shakti and only She can do it. Because She has supremacy over all chakras and She is the one who establishes a connections with these chakras. Like all the permutations and combinations are managed by Her. She knows the subtlest of the subtle. If you look at any Incarnations Who came on this Earth, They are complete in a way that They are a milestone in our ladder of evolution. But They all had one type of work to do. They performed only one type of work. Like the work of the Goddess was to kill the Rakshasas and save the devotees. That is why Shri Krishna arranged this play – that all this is a play. There is no need to be so serious about it. It is all a play. That is why ‘Leeladhar’ [one of the names of Shri Krishna] came on this Earth to overcome the seriousness set by Shri Rama. He did everything with sweetness. He explained all our faults in a sweet and roundabout way. It is said that if you can’t take out the pudding straight with a straight finger, you should bend your finger. We can say that He did everything in a roundabout way, not straight forward, to break our illusion. The work of Krishna was very round about, adding a bit of sweetness, He would say things. His was a very beautiful Incarnation. After Him were Mahavira and Budha, Their’s also was serious Incarnations. They told everything with seriousness. They spoke of oneness of the Spirit and the knowledge of the Whole. Like In Sahaja Yoga we speak of integration of the Spirit, of collective consciousness, they also said the same. All this created a serious atmosphere and hence ordinary people were not attracted to it. Those who were attracted were very serious kind. They built Monasteries – like monasteries of Buddha. They made day to day living very difficult. People created all this, neither Buddha nor Mahavira had said so. They told them to imbibe certain things. People made it complicated, made it materialistic and did what was not told. They built temples, built mosques and changed everything. Till the human kind does not get Self-Realization till then they cannot follow a straight path. After Lord Jesus Christ also Gnostics came in, we can say that they had achieved Self-Realization. But after that the ordinary people who came in established a religion based on Paul’s teachings because of which everything went wrong. In this way in every religion things went wrong, that is why religion became difficult and incomprehensible. Then people started to feel that you sing some bhajans, sing devotional songs, visit temples. That is all that is there and nothing beyond that. Even the people in modern times wrote wrong things about the Kundalini. Now the question arose how to tell mankind that God exists and Truth exists and it is in the form of the Spirit? So it was necessary for the Adi Shakti, to Incarnate. Because only She can do this work. She knows each and every chakra, knows how they work. She had to come amongst mankind and take the birth as a human being by which She could understand what are problems and faults in human beings. And what should be done to remove those faults? How can the Kundalini be awakened despite all these faults? How to awaken the Kundalini through the Brahma Nadi by which humans can see. Achieve Realization first and with the light they see themselves and understand themselves. And by watching themselves they get the Power which will correct their faults. This Job was such that all the Gods and Goddesses, all the Incarnations and great saints had to come in to the bodily form of the Adi Shakti Who had to Incarnate. And that is why this Incarnation has taken place because the entire world has to evolve. The Divine who has made this Universe, who has created this Universe would never want that His creation be destroyed at the hands of humans. And that is why this work is so tremendous. It is not that we can say, “Alright now we will take a Sudarshan Chakra and cut off everyone’s head”. It cannot be that one needs to be crucified. Or neither just talk about it and leave. In this, man will have to grow and make others grow. This takes a lot of hard work which only a Mother can do. Only Her Shakti [Power] can do. Without Her patience, Her love and Her understanding, this cannot be achieved. Hence this Incarnation is very great. Today there is such an opportunity that it is the day of Purnima [full moon day]. So it is better that you imbibe the Powers of Shri Adi Shakti. Once you get that, there is nothing more to be said. Everything takes place by itself. As you know that there is a big reason for the Mahamaya form of Adi Shakti. If She was not Mahamaya then you cannot know Her at all. In reality, only because the form is of Mahamaya, you can come near Me. Otherwise you cannot approach Me. You will run away. You will think, “She is the Shakti, how can I go near Her? How can we touch Her feet? How can we talk to Her?” By taking the form of Mahamaya all this has become mild. And because of this mildness in Her form we are all one today. It was necessary that I remain in this form of Mahamaya and you all should get everything and not get lost. Because all those who achieved it got lost in the ocean. Like Kabir said, “Jab mast hue phir kya bole?” [‘what is there to say when you are in bliss?’]. The state is not to get lost but to be awakened and awaken everyone. I will not allow you to get lost. No one can get completely lost in this bliss. I will not let you remain peaceful till the time you spread this awakening – joy, not get lost in it. Only then you will understand what work needs to be done. Your job is in a way greater than the saints and sages. The saints and sages did not give Realization to anyone. They gave lectures, tried to make people understand. Your job is that you have to awaken the Kundalini in people and make them Self-Realized and resurrect them. The evolution of the entire world has to take place. This is an extremely important and Divine job. And for this the Adi Shakti Herself had to come. This work has been started by the Advent of Adi Shakti and is happening in a very beautiful way. I hope you people will understand this. We are able to see lots of proof by miraculous photographs. Such wonderful things are being captured in the photograph. Even the complete opening of the lotus of My Sahasrara has been captured. I shall send them to you. But these should not be shown to non-Sahaja Yogis, because they will not believe it. You people see this and realize that this work has been done by the Parama Chaitanya. Many more such photographs may be made by the Parama Chaitanya. With an ordinary camera, which is not powerful, such photos are appearing. When so much of light is seen on top of My head, why was it not seen by anyone? Why was it captured only by the camera? You should try to understand this. For you I am Mahamaya but maybe for the cameras I am not. They recognize Me. The atomic cells of the camera know Me and capture Me. I have to tell you, God has given you the free will. The other objects don’t have that freedom. They move only through His will. Even the animals don’t have the freedom, they are also under the control of God. You have the freedom, and that freedom should not be hampered, that is why She is in the form of Mahamaya. In your freedom, you should not face any problems. You should not feel, “Who is She? Who is She to tell us”? I am just like you in every way. If you see Me you will not see anything special about Me. My behavior is just like you people. Today we have talked about the Adi Shakti, and may this puja be fulfilled.

1990-04-09 Adi Shakti Puja, Kolkata, India The people of Kolkata, I am very happy to see your progress. I know that there are many deep seekers in this city. But they do not know as yet that the time has come, where they can get what they have been searching for. You people should go to them and look for such people who are seeking the truth. That is why it is important that we should expand and spread ourselves in all directions. Along with that we should also increase our own Powers. We should change our lives also. We should also make our lives enlightened like a lamp that is always emitting light, on seeing which people should recognize – ‘this person is someone special’, ‘there is some greatness about this person’. Not just that but when you use your Powers, people will understand that these people don’t just talk but can also do whatever they say. For this, I will say that meditation and contemplation is very important. Kolkata is a very busy city and people get engrossed in this busyness. They find very little time. This time, which we have tied on our hands like a watch is meant for our own ascent and for our progress within. If we have to grow on the inside, if we have to know ourselves from within it is important that we meditate for a sometime every day. Those people who meditate in the evening for some time and also in the morning and those who don’t meditate, a lot of difference is seen in them. Especially people who do a lot of work externally for Sahaja Yoga, go here and there, talk to people, give lectures, make others understand; in such people the Divine energy slowly gets depleted. That is why it is even more important and necessary that such people should meditate every day. There is nothing special to be done for meditation. Before going to sleep, meditate for some time and in the morning after you bathe meditate for some time. This itself is enough. But when you meditate, how do you recognize whether your meditation was done properly? During meditation you should first establish thoughtless awareness. At that moment you should keep saying ‘not this’, ‘not this’ or ‘neti’, ‘neti’ – like this you should turn away your thoughts. By doing this and by taking two breaths, after the first breath you will become thoughtless. You should keep the photo in front and light a candle in front of the Photograph. Put your feet in salt water and sit in front of it. When you become thoughtless and vibrations start flowing in both hands then wipe your feet, place it on the ground and go into meditation. Go deep into meditation. If you start getting thoughts again, you can say, ‘not this’ ‘not this’ or say ‘kshma’, ‘kshma’ [I forgive, I forgive]. The word ‘kshma’ [I forgive] is very important. Just by staying this your thoughts can stop. When there is no peace how can you have growth? Supposing there is an earthquake, how can a tree cannot grow when it’s shaky? So similarly when a person is stuck in ‘earthquake’ [disturbance of thoughts] then his progress is impossible. That is why it is important to establish the peace within. For that also there are one or two mantras which you can say, which will first establish the peace within. After a while you will be surprised, that you need not do so much exercise. You will become thoughtless at once. On becoming thoughtless you will reach the state which we call as thoughtless awareness. Normally, even while walking on the road, effortlessly you will become thoughtless. When you see some beautiful thing or something artistic, you will become thoughtless. Slowly this habit will grow and as you become more and more thoughtless, your inner progress takes place. Meaning you have reached a new threshold but you have to still enter another threshold and have to know yourself. That is why it is important that you go deeper in meditation. One more way to recognize is that when you get up from meditation, you do not feel like getting up, you feel like sitting in meditation a little longer. You will feel – ‘right now I am enjoying, will continue for some more time’. After meditation if you can take your attention to other things like – ‘I have to eat’, or ‘have to sleep’, or ‘have to go out’, anything, then know that you have not been in a state of meditation. Because to come out of the state of meditation is a little difficult. In this way you will slowly progress within and when you do any work outside you will feel that your Power does not diminish, but on the contrary it increases. Many times it has been seen that people after getting Realization immediately start giving Realization to others, then they get caught up. Actually there is nothing like catches. It is like in a barometer or in an instrument you can tell where the smoke is, where the light is. In the same way you can know everything within yourself. If you are getting caught up or facing difficulties, then it is better that you progress alone for some time. An attitude of non-expectancy should be there. A detachment should come in. Then you will not get catches. No matter how many people you give Realization to, whatever work you do, cure any ailments, it will have no effect on you. But without achieving detached state, if you give to others, you can get into trouble. The second thing is that you people are now Realized souls. You attained very high state, which is reached only after great difficulties. You will find some people have just come into Sahaja Yoga. You should not say aggressive things to them. You should win them over with your love, patience, understanding. And If possible you can make some arrangement for food and drink, by which they may not think you are so terrifying. Like saints and sages always have a stick in their hands, you should not be like that. They should feel that they have reached a place where all are like brothers and sisters, near and dear ones. By this only people will stay in Sahaja Yoga. I have seen that one or two who come into Sahaja Yoga, start disciplining others – ‘don’t stand here’, or ‘don’t stand there’, ‘don’t do this or that’ etc. Especially in Sahaja Yoga there is no need to discipline. Because your Spirit emits light. In that light you yourself can see, ‘I had so much of ego’, ‘I used to behave inappropriately’, ‘so many things were wrong with me’. You gradually know yourself and start laughing at yourself – ‘I was so mad, such an enormous ocean of joy was here, what was I doing leaving all this?’ Just as you slowly disciplined yourself and progressed, others also will progress slowly. What is greater discipline than the enlightenment of the Spirit? The light of the Spirit will guide you as to how you have to live, how you have to behave. This light shines on your behavior and the behavior of others also. It’s like you see your reflection. You witness - ‘I have such and such problem, all this is useless and needs to be thrown away’. For example – if there is a stain on this saree and we cannot see it, we will not acknowledge it. But as soon as we see it we wish to clean it. In the same way you just need to witness yourself. You have to reach that stage. In Sahaja Yoga there is a state where we can say that - one becomes the witness. Being in witness means you just see, you don’t think about it. There should be no reaction of it within you. Like when I came here I saw that there are beautiful decorations here. I only watched it. The person who made this, who decorated the place has put in their love and joy. So the ‘nirakaar’ [formless] joy has again taken a form and again becomes formless and you will feel the flow of joy within you. As soon as you see this you are flooded by it. So watch it without reaction. Meaning when you see something, there should be no reaction in you. Just witnessing it without any reaction is the most joy giving thing. There is nothing more joy giving than this. Just by seeing you will be flooded with joy. That you do not react to it. For example: a beautiful carpet has been spread out here. When we are using it, if it is yours then you think about it, ‘it is mine, hope it does not get burnt, or spoilt’. If it is not yours half your problem will be solved – ‘whosoever it belongs to, they will take care’. Or if it is someone else’s then you start thinking, ‘what could be the cost?’, ‘at what cost was it purchased?’, ‘where did they get so much of money from?’ many such thoughts also can come. Or ‘if I want to buy it, where to buy it from?’ So on and so forth, you keep getting thoughts. If you keep getting thoughts, then these thoughts will pile up like a mountain and you will not feel the joy of the person who made it. In thoughtlessness your mind should be placid and thoughtless like a lake which is placid, with not a single wave in it. In that calm, whatever is the nature’s beautiful creation that is surrounding it, is completely reflected and seen clearly. Your mind should be like that. Once you become calm, you will be surprised, ‘I have never seen anything like this’. ‘So much of joy in everything, I have never seen, ‘so much of joy in every person, I have never seen or known’. This happened in Kolkata. When I was going to America for the first time, we were staying at a hotel. There a seeker came to meet Me and fell at My Feet. He got his Realization at once and lot of flow of vibrations. Other Sahaja Yogis with Me, who were in the next room, came running to My room. I asked, “What happened?” They said, “We don’t know, we felt so much of vibrations coming from Mother’s room. We thought – what happened?” We can say he was a great man. A great seeker of God, he just came to My feet, nothing else. Whatever took place internally in that person, it alerted everyone ‘Why so much of vibrations?’ as if a Puja is being performed. This was a kind of Puja from his heart. All those who came in, hugged him. They don’t know him, they don’t know his name – ‘who is he?”, ‘where has he come from?’, ‘why did he come?’ Nothing they knew. They just hugged him and all felt the joy. Like rose flowers are being showered. I was surprised! “You people didn’t ask – ‘who are you, how did you come here?’” That’s how you will feel when you meet other Sahaja Yogis, you will feel that you have met yourself. About this, I will tell you the incident with Namdev. Namdev was a poet and a great seeker, we can say He was a Realized soul of a high level. He was a tailor. There was another saint Gora Kumhaar [potter], because he was a potter. One was a tailor and another a potter. He [Namdev] went to meet the potter. There he was mashing clay with his feet. He was preparing the clay to make an item. As soon as Namdev saw Him [Gora Kumhaar], He [Namdev] stood in astonishment. Gora Kumhaar asked him, “What are you seeing?” He recited a verse in Marathi meaning – ‘I had come here to see Nirgun [formless], but here the formless – the Chaitanya [Divine vibrations], is in sakaar [form]. The entire formless is in your form”. This kind of feeling, this kind of understanding, only one saint can feel for another saint. Till now man only lived with hatred and jealously. But when he becomes a Sahaja Yogi, then he feels that the formless which he knew has taken form in the other person - a Sahaja Yogi. He held Gora Khumhaar in such high esteem and He was meeting Him for the first time. In this way love for each other becomes very subtle, very deep and very joy giving. Whenever you meet a Sahaja Yogi, your heart becomes joyful. Similarly there in another incident – there was a Sahaja Yogini who had travelled to a far of place – Sicily. She was from Switzerland. One more Sahaja Yogini who had gone from Italy was also there. Sitting in the hotel they were attracted to each other’s presence. One of them approached the other. “Are you a Realized Soul?” She asked all of a sudden, nobody asks others such things. The other one said, “Yes”. “Did Shri Mataji give you Self Realization?” “Yes” “Even Me” Both of them joyfully hugged each other and had tears of joy. “I recognized you from such a long distance” “I had also recognized you” “How did you recognize me?” “I don’t know, just felt it from within that you are a Realized soul, you are a Sahaja Yogini. I was looking at you and you walked over to me.” Both of them had some problems that they were alone in that place and all the problems vanished. That is why you need to understand that we are connected to each other with a very delicate but a very strong thread and there is nothing thing greater than love for one another. But many people still think of ‘my son’, my sister’, ‘my brother’, ‘my house’, etc. This attachment should be cut away, it should be completely lessened. You should reduce the attachments completely, slowly you can reduce. Once this goes, you will be surprised a lot of joy will come within. This feeling goes away ‘someone mine is there’. This feeling takes you away from the Spirit. Let Me tell you how? Like – ‘my eyes’, ‘my hands’, ‘my legs’, this feeling of ‘mine’; but ‘who am I’? I am the Spirit. Nothing is mine. ‘I’ is standing separately by itself. We cannot say, ‘this is my Spirit’. If someone says, ‘this is my Spirit’, you should understand they are not Sahaja Yogis. The Spirit stands alone - untouched. It does not have anything ‘mine’. Its relationship is only with God. And with you its relationship is like the sap flowing through a tree. The sap flowing through the tree goes everywhere and nourishes everything. It will go to leaves, to the tree, to the branches, and also to the flowers and to the fruits and returns. It nourishes everything but does not stick to anything. If it sticks to one place, ‘this flower is nice, I should stay here’. If it is stuck there then the tree will die and so will the flower. This is the end of love. That is why you should take leave from ‘mine’. As soon as you give this up, you will be surprised that you were just a dot, a drop and from a drop you become the ocean. That which binds you, you will break the boundaries and become unbound [boundary less]. There is joy in this abundance because you will rise and fall with the ocean and will be tossed around in a joyful manner. Then you do not worry about what will happen in the future, what has transpired in the past? You will be in joyful state. In this way man can live in the present. It’s very important to give up the feeling of ‘mine’, the feeling of attachment. When the attachment is broken, a great movement takes place within you. In that movement you become extremely powerful. And that Power is what works. It is going to do a very big job in collectivity and the salvation of mankind can also be accomplished by this Power. How many ever such drops are there – they need to join to become the ocean. A new age has started. In Sahaja Yoga also a new age is starting today, even in Kolkata it is starting. It has started at other places also. It is a very big movement where our questions are not there. Now for us our own concerns don’t remain, but question of others becomes our concern. The question of the world rests on us, for that we need the strength, magnanimity, a height where you can see the problems of others and find solutions for them. All that responsibility lies on your shoulders. You understand that Sahaja Yogis have a huge responsibility. It’s not only that you take advantage of Sahaja Yoga, you adorn, grow in it, you enjoy it, but it has to reach every house and everyone should get Sahaja Yoga and should get the joy. In doing this job if you show and type of weakness or laxity then you will be held responsible. And it will be very wrong. So that is why people who are settled in Sahaja Yoga should stand up strong 1ike a tree. I hope that by next year Sahaja Yoga will work out in a very big way in Kolkata. More than the entire India, I have a lot of hopes on Kolkata. I can’t tell you just now the reason for it, but I will share with you someday why I feel Kolkata is a very great place. I know that the core of entire India is in Kolkata. That is why it is necessary that you people should stand up with the understanding that Kolkata is the back support and come forward and progress, and also make others progress and make your personality great. Whenever you get thoughts such as ‘my son is like this’, ‘my daughter is like this’, ‘this is my house’, you should say [to the thoughts] ‘you stay away, my personality is much greater and all this doesn’t fit into my personality’. Only then you will you become great. And we need such great people in this new movement, and the preparedness must be complete for that. All of you have a great year. This is a very important year. In Kolkata many people will come in Sahaja Yoga, you take care of them. Treat them with love, with respect and understanding. Sometimes they are aggressive, something they say some wrong things. One major problem is everyone here is harried. They are troubled because they are stuck is some or the other web. In Russia it was very easy as they have no Dharma, no gurus or cults, nothing. They were like what you can call ‘a clean plate’, so to say. So it was very easy to give them Realization. Here everyone is like, ‘I belong to this group’, or ‘I belong that group’, ‘so and so is my guru’. You are not your own. So you have to speak to them with great understanding. Then the other disease here is they go for ‘darshan’ (audience with) of the guru. What I don’t understand is the duty of the guru is not to give ‘darshan’ (audience). For ‘darshan’ there are Incarnations. Go to the temples and have a ‘darshan’. The work of the Guru is to enlighten people, to awaken them. Till he does not impart knowledge how is he a guru? Guru means one who gives knowledge. If they don’t impart knowledge, what is the use of ‘darshan’? ‘That guru made me suffer’, ‘this guru made me suffer’. All tortured people are here, but no one with knowledge. Knowledge means which you know on your central nervous system and where you can feel the All Pervading Power. If he has not given this, then to be stuck on such things is also a way to destroy yourself. You all were very great seekers and so you attained Realization. In the same way you should also give this blessings to other people, make them happy. Whatever is of low quality in us, is our own. It is there in the individual and also in the collective it is lacking. We should look at these drawbacks. If is very surprising. When someone comes into Sahaja Yoga, if he belongs to Christianity he will tell you the drawbacks of Christianity. He will laugh at it saying, “We did a lot, spent a lot of money, gave money to the Pope also but it was of no use”. And many people are blindly following Christianity. Then if you ask a Muslim, even they say. Just yesterday I met a Muslim who had come from Iran. He was telling all the ridiculous things they do which did not benefit them. He went to Haj, everything is commercialized. Then again if you ask a Hindu he will also tell the same – “We went to the temples, went to Himalayas, roamed everywhere and still did not get anything”. Similarly Jains also tell the same story. Everyone will have the same story that they went to a lot of people and it was of no use, ‘why is it so Mother?’ The reason is that these are manmade Dharmas. The ones who found these Dharmas are no more. The Dharma that you people have to follow is the real Dharma. There should be no artificiality in it. If man has made a religion it is bound to go wrong, because so far he has not got connected to God. Man has taken the real religion and put it on the wrong path. But now you people have to establish the ‘Vishwa Dharma’ [World Religion]. There should be no human faults in it. Because it is Divine and you all have attained Self-Realization. So with honesty you should make it pure, pure religion and it should be within. Not outwardly. That way when every person will see that what he has got is the truth. Then whichever religion he belonged to before, he will get the essence of it in Sahaja Yoga. He will realize that he did not achieve anything by following his religion because it was man made but in this we have awakened the religion within us. Because when you follow any man made religion, then you can commit any sin in the name of that religion; there is no binding. You may murder someone, steal somethings, destroy someone, steal from someone - anything you want. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga you yourself become Dharmic and cannot do anything wrong. You can only think of the benevolence of all not negative. This means that the Dharma has been awakened in you. But with new people, talk to them very carefully or they may feel that they are being aggressed. So you should make them understand very carefully that we have to awaken the Dharma within us. Till the Dharma is awakened within us, whatever anyone has told cannot be imbibed by us. Like Christ said something, till the time it happens within us – for example Issah Masih [Jesus Christ] said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes’. Our eyes should be ‘niranjan’ [pure – without any impurities]. But how many Christian have pure sight? In the same way great saints spoke great things. But those things are not followed, just the opposite is followed. It means that people have gone down the wrong path. But no need to tell anyone anything. So by understanding them, gradually, as they are coming from darkness to light. If they are in the darkness, whatever you tell them, they will not believe. That’s why gradually by making them understand, by first giving them the experience, make them experience and take them out of misunderstanding and make them settled in this Dharma. ‘Dharma Dhariati sa Dharma’ – Dharma that is established in you in the real Dharma. Till the time it is not established, till it is all just outside talks then it is completely useless, waste of energy. There is no meaning in this. This is the reason many say that ‘talk of Dharma is all falsehood’, ‘God is falsehood’. Nothing like that. It is all true. But only the people who are on the path of truth can find God. From wherever anyone comes, accept them, because there are many seekers of truth among them. They do know that their path is alright. But they also know from within that there is more to this from where you can be enlightened. Now that you have got the light, what is the job of a light? Its job is to give the light. Till the time the lamp is not lit, you have to do a lot of cleaning and put in a lot of effort. Once the lamp is lit then what is the work of the lamp? To give light. What is you work? It is to spread the Light that you have got. This should be done with complete confidence. There is no need to be scared. There is nothing to fear. I have seen that small children are full of confidence. They are so confident that they don’t bother about anyone. They say whatever they think is right. But when we grow up, our brains get filled with many other things and we find it difficult to come out of it. We become conditioned. So we must work with understanding, with maturity. We should talk to everyone with magnanimity, not thinking that we have to correct this person. But with open mindedness. Having the view of a father / mother, you should be speak to others. You should give love. Because this is the Power of Love which you have to attain. I bless you all. Till now the Puja of Adi Shakti has not been performed. So I am thinking that in Kolkata, we should perform the Puja of Adi Shakti for the first time. Now I will have to tell you about Adi Shakti. All the Shaktis have arisen from The Adi Shakti. The three Powers – Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati have originated from Adi Shakti and are also absorbed back into Her. Without Adi Shakti, this work is not possible. This is the job of Adi Shakti and only She can do it. Because She has supremacy over all chakras and She is the one who establishes a connections with these chakras. Like all the permutations and combinations are managed by Her. She knows the subtlest of the subtle. If you look at any Incarnations Who came on this Earth, They are complete in a way that They are a milestone in our ladder of evolution. But They all had one type of work to do. They performed only one type of work. Like the work of the Goddess was to kill the Rakshasas and save the devotees. That is why Shri Krishna arranged this play – that all this is a play. There is no need to be so serious about it. It is all a play. That is why ‘Leeladhar’ [one of the names of Shri Krishna] came on this Earth to overcome the seriousness set by Shri Rama. He did everything with sweetness. He explained all our faults in a sweet and roundabout way. It is said that if you can’t take out the pudding straight with a straight finger, you should bend your finger. We can say that He did everything in a roundabout way, not straight forward, to break our illusion. The work of Krishna was very round about, adding a bit of sweetness, He would say things. His was a very beautiful Incarnation. After Him were Mahavira and Budha, Their’s also was serious Incarnations. They told everything with seriousness. They spoke of oneness of the Spirit and the knowledge of the Whole. Like In Sahaja Yoga we speak of integration of the Spirit, of collective consciousness, they also said the same. All this created a serious atmosphere and hence ordinary people were not attracted to it. Those who were attracted were very serious kind. They built Monasteries – like monasteries of Buddha. They made day to day living very difficult. People created all this, neither Buddha nor Mahavira had said so. They told them to imbibe certain things. People made it complicated, made it materialistic and did what was not told. They built temples, built mosques and changed everything. Till the human kind does not get Self-Realization till then they cannot follow a straight path. After Lord Jesus Christ also Gnostics came in, we can say that they had achieved Self-Realization. But after that the ordinary people who came in established a religion based on Paul’s teachings because of which everything went wrong. In this way in every religion things went wrong, that is why religion became difficult and incomprehensible. Then people started to feel that you sing some bhajans, sing devotional songs, visit temples. That is all that is there and nothing beyond that. Even the people in modern times wrote wrong things about the Kundalini. Now the question arose how to tell mankind that God exists and Truth exists and it is in the form of the Spirit? So it was necessary for the Adi Shakti, to Incarnate. Because only She can do this work. She knows each and every chakra, knows how they work. She had to come amongst mankind and take the birth as a human being by which She could understand what are problems and faults in human beings. And what should be done to remove those faults? How can the Kundalini be awakened despite all these faults? How to awaken the Kundalini through the Brahma Nadi by which humans can see. Achieve Realization first and with the light they see themselves and understand themselves. And by watching themselves they get the Power which will correct their faults. This Job was such that all the Gods and Goddesses, all the Incarnations and great saints had to come in to the bodily form of the Adi Shakti Who had to Incarnate. And that is why this Incarnation has taken place because the entire world has to evolve. The Divine who has made this Universe, who has created this Universe would never want that His creation be destroyed at the hands of humans. And that is why this work is so tremendous. It is not that we can say, “Alright now we will take a Sudarshan Chakra and cut off everyone’s head”. It cannot be that one needs to be crucified. Or neither just talk about it and leave. In this, man will have to grow and make others grow. This takes a lot of hard work which only a Mother can do. Only Her Shakti [Power] can do. Without Her patience, Her love and Her understanding, this cannot be achieved. Hence this Incarnation is very great. Today there is such an opportunity that it is the day of Purnima [full moon day]. So it is better that you imbibe the Powers of Shri Adi Shakti. Once you get that, there is nothing more to be said. Everything takes place by itself. As you know that there is a big reason for the Mahamaya form of Adi Shakti. If She was not Mahamaya then you cannot know Her at all. In reality, only because the form is of Mahamaya, you can come near Me. Otherwise you cannot approach Me. You will run away. You will think, “She is the Shakti, how can I go near Her? How can we touch Her feet? How can we talk to Her?” By taking the form of Mahamaya all this has become mild. And because of this mildness in Her form we are all one today. It was necessary that I remain in this form of Mahamaya and you all should get everything and not get lost. Because all those who achieved it got lost in the ocean. Like Kabir said, “Jab mast hue phir kya bole?” [‘what is there to say when you are in bliss?’]. The state is not to get lost but to be awakened and awaken everyone. I will not allow you to get lost. No one can get completely lost in this bliss. I will not let you remain peaceful till the time you spread this awakening – joy, not get lost in it. Only then you will understand what work needs to be done. Your job is in a way greater than the saints and sages. The saints and sages did not give Realization to anyone. They gave lectures, tried to make people understand. Your job is that you have to awaken the Kundalini in people and make them Self-Realized and resurrect them. The evolution of the entire world has to take place. This is an extremely important and Divine job. And for this the Adi Shakti Herself had to come. This work has been started by the Advent of Adi Shakti and is happening in a very beautiful way. I hope you people will understand this. We are able to see lots of proof by miraculous photographs. Such wonderful things are being captured in the photograph. Even the complete opening of the lotus of My Sahasrara has been captured. I shall send them to you. But these should not be shown to non-Sahaja Yogis, because they will not believe it. You people see this and realize that this work has been done by the Parama Chaitanya. Many more such photographs may be made by the Parama Chaitanya. With an ordinary camera, which is not powerful, such photos are appearing. When so much of light is seen on top of My head, why was it not seen by anyone? Why was it captured only by the camera? You should try to understand this. For you I am Mahamaya but maybe for the cameras I am not. They recognize Me. The atomic cells of the camera know Me and capture Me. I have to tell you, God has given you the free will. The other objects don’t have that freedom. They move only through His will. Even the animals don’t have the freedom, they are also under the control of God. You have the freedom, and that freedom should not be hampered, that is why She is in the form of Mahamaya. In your freedom, you should not face any problems. You should not feel, “Who is She? Who is She to tell us”? I am just like you in every way. If you see Me you will not see anything special about Me. My behavior is just like you people. Today we have talked about the Adi Shakti, and may this puja be fulfilled.

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I told you yesterday that truth is fixed in its place. No one can change it. We just have to know the truth and achieve it. Until we have experienced the truth, it is a big mistake to accept anything as the proof of truth. Many people have their own convictions that, “This saying of mine is true, and that saying of mine is the truth. This religion is true, and that religion is true”. In this manner, we fight among ourselves, in the name of truth, but the truth is absolute. So, if the truth is absolute, and we have to know that absolute truth, then what is the need for fighting? There can be no fight because everyone knows the same truth. For example, I am standing here. Everyone watching sees that I am standing here. Now, no one can fight over the subject that I am not standing here. Everyone knows that I am standing here. Likewise, whatever is the truth should be the same for everyone. If it is not the same, then it is not the truth. Yesterday I explained to you that there can be one of the many aspects of truth, but that cannot be the complete truth. Today, we will try to know about the great truth which is hidden inside us, which is known as the spirit. And, the Kundalini, which enlightens this spirit in our attention, is situated in the triangular bone. This is present in three and a half coils. This is called Kundalini because kundal means coil. You should not pay attention to whatever has been mentioned about Kundalini in modern books. In reality, the Kundalini cannot harm anyone. As I explained yesterday, and you all witnessed, the Kundalini was awakened in many people, and many others experienced the subtle creation, which we call Paramchaitanya, or vibrations. This was felt on their central nervous systems. Whatever we have achieved in our evolution, we can sense that on our central nervous systems. For example, supposing we take an animal like a horse through a dirty lane, it will not mind the dirt and will go through the lane without any difficulty. But if a human being is asked to do the same thing he cannot do it because there is a new awareness inside him, because of which he can see the dirt, understand it and feel revulsion for it. Likewise, when this awareness becomes very strong in us and the true religion is established inside us, not outside, but inside us, without the social pressure, and without using our mind, without any institution, when this religion gets established, then a person can never do anything wrong, just like ascetics never do anything wrong. Yesterday, I told you about the six chakras. As you can see, they are situated above the Kundalini, and there is one chakra below the Kundalini which is known as Mooladhar Chakra, and the Kundalini is sitting inside the triangular bone inside Mooladhar. So, Mooladhar and Mooladhar Chakra are two different things. When the Kundalini awakens, then a royal unity of consciousness takes place inside us; not outside, but inside us. Like, when a motor starts, the whole machinery automatically starts working. In the same way, when the Kundalini awakens and passes through a chakra, that chakra automatically tightens around the Kundalini so that it doesn't come down. And when the Kundalini moves forward to the next chakra, the same thing happens there, also to stop the Kundalini from falling down. This is "royal union" or "Raj Yog". And when Kundalini comes to Vishuddhi Chakra, your tongue gets pulled a little inside, because of this tightening of Kundalini, so that it doesn't fall below Vishuddhi. But this doesn't mean that you start rotating the wheel before starting the motor. All these modern and man-made yogas of today are only of this type. When I went to Kavikotiya, I noticed that some of the very good doctors from India had cut their tongues, and they were hanging out a little bit. I asked them, “What have you done to yourselves?" They replied, “We have done this to do khechari, a yog mudra. Khechari takes place when there is a contraction in the Vishuddhi Chakra around the Kundalini.” I said, "What is the use of doing this kind of khechari, which is from the exterior?” They replied, “We put our tongues down our throats and try to stop the Kundalini.” “But what are you trying to stop, when there is no Kundalini?” So, the modern Raj Yog is very artificial. I can say the same thing about Hath Yog. Hath Yog also should be done only when your Kundalini is awakened; meaning, when the Kundalini is passing through a particular chakra, and if there is some physical ailment in that chakra, only then should asanas be done. In Hath Yog there is Ashtang, which has very little Vyayam or exercise. But we do it as if we are taking all the medicines for one disease. The same is the case for Pranayam. You always asked Me about Pranayam. We also do that in the wrong way. When our Kundalini rises and if our right channel is weak, in that case we can do Pranayam, but very carefully, considering it as a science. But if you are doing Pranayam unnecessarily, then it is possible that you will end up with many diseases and you may become very sluggish; so sluggish that you may be devoid of all feelings, and if you are a married person, it is even possible that you will leave your wife and children and think that you have become an ascetic. A kind of imbalance comes in your life. So, it is not advisable to do anything with your eyes closed. Which asana is required at which time can be understood after the awakening of the Kundalini, when Kundalini arises and stops at a particular chakra. Like today we were coming in our vehicle, and at one point the road ended. So then we knew that there is no way to get here, and what should we do next? But if you have not started from the home at all, and you are doing all sorts of exercises just by sitting at home, then where is the point in it? This will only give you unnecessary trouble. So, Sahaja Yoga combines with Pranayam only when there is a necessity. So, when there is a necessity, we definitely teach Pranayam when a person’s right channel is weak. I told you yesterday about the six chakras, and you can learn from books about the functions of these chakras and what we gain from them. Likewise we have three channels or nadis inside us. The first nadi is known as Mahakali's channel, which takes care of our left sympathetic nervous system. Similarly, the right channel is known as Mahasaraswati's channel, which takes care of the right sympathetic nervous system. And the channel in the centre is called Sushumna Nadi, which takes care of the parasympathetic nervous system. Now the doctors do not differentiate between the three channels. They think the right sympathetic and the left sympathetic channels are the same, but it is not like that. The left sympathetic takes care of our emotions and desires. So, the left channel, on the left side, in subtle terms we call Ida Nadi, which takes care of the left sympathetic nervous system. We also call it the moon channel. Apart from this, the whole of our past from the time this world was created is stored in this left channel. The channel on our right side is known as the sun channel. This channel is responsible for all the work we do physically, and mentally, like thinking and planning. We call this the sun channel and also Pingala Nadi. When we think of our future, or imagine our future, then this channel comes into action. The central channel keeps the left and right channels in balance. For example, when you run very fast, your heartbeat increases very much, but after some time you become completely normal and your heartbeat gets regular. This is done by the parasympathetic nervous system, the central channel, also known as Sushumna Nadi. But when your Kundalini awakens and goes through the most interior part of the Sushumna Nadi, which is known as Brahma Nadi, a hair-like thin strand of Kundalini pierces the fontanelle bone and comes out. As soon as it pierces the fontanelle bone or Brahmarandhra, the vibrations start flowing around, the narrow chakras open up and more nadis come out of the fontanelle bone. And this way you get connected to the All-pervading Power which is responsible for this subtle creation, and whom we have not recognised yet. This recognition happens on our fingers. We start sensing this on our fingers, and vibrations start flowing from our palms. Shri Shankaracharya has described this sensation as "Salaam, Salilam", meaning cool breeze. A cool breeze starts flowing from our fingers and hands, and this cool breeze tells or informs us about the problems in our body and also in other people’s bodies. So much so that whenever Brahmarandhra gets pierced, the cool breeze start flowing from there also. And until we start making use of this cool breeze we will not understand its usefulness and advantages. The two channels, the left and right channels, which are inside us, are very important. When a person starts thinking too much about his past, is always unhappy, and keeps degrading himself, then the left channel disintegrates so much that his mental condition keeps falling and falling and he lands up in a state which is called collective sub-conscious. And inside him a kind of condition develops, due to which he faces severe mental calamity. Extreme depression, epilepsy and insanity are due to the malfunctioning of this left channel. The right channel gets activated when we think too much or we do too much physical work. When we think too much, a kind of imbalance come inside us. Imagine that the chakras are in the centre of My hand like this, and this is the right chakra and this is the left chakra. Now slowly, if the energy on our left side or the right side gets pulled, then the path in the middle becomes narrow. And when it becomes narrow, our energy levels drop, and because of the jerk, if the right-side or the left-side channel breaks, then the connection with our brain also will be broken. Now, many people get the disease of diabetes, disease of liver and kidney. Not only that, they also get blood pressure problems and hypertension. The one and only reason for all these is today's lifestyle. Today's lifestyle is very stressful. A human’s life becomes so full of struggle that he keeps thinking and planning his future as to what he should do now, how he should plan his future. Because of this thinking, the chakra, which is known as Swadishthan Chakra, gets affected. This chakra has a major function of maintaining the level of grey cells in our brain. When we think too much our grey cells get exhausted and they have to be renewed. So, when we think too much, the whole attention of the Swadishthana Chakra goes into the function of replacing the brain cells. Now the big question that arises here is what will do the other functions of this chakra. Among its other functions, the Swadishthana Chakra is responsible for taking care of our liver, pancreas, spleen, kidneys and some portion of the intestine. Since all these functions are completely ignored by Swadishthana, people who think too much land up with the problem of liver. Doctors do not know much about the liver diseases, nor can they cure them. They cannot find out the problem until you reach the stage where you are about to die, and then they will give you the certificate that you have cirrhosis of the liver and you are going to die in a month. Only Sahaja Yoga has the remedy to cure this problem. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini awakens, it reconnects and reopens the narrow chakras through which the energy starts flowing again, and the Kundalini nourishes the particular chakra completely, thus making the person totally normal. Now consider the pancreas. If a person’s pancreas is not fully functional, due to an overactive Swadishthana, then the person may get diabetes. Diabetes is very common in cities, but not in villages. In Maharashtra if you go to villages and ask them to make tea for you, they will add so much sugar that the spoon stands in it. Without that, they will say, "What kind of tea is this?" They eat so much sugar but they never get diabetes. Mostly, people who think too much and do office work get diabetes, because they keep planning too much and their Swadishthana Chakra doesn't have the energy to take care of the pancreas, as a result of which they get diabetes. If by any means these people can be brought to balance, then their diabetes can be cured. After this, the most horrible disease is blood cancer. This can happen due to an overactive spleen. In today's life, a man's life is full of upheavals. As soon as you get up in the morning you read the newspaper. At that moment if there is any shocking news in the newspaper, you get a shock, due to which your sympathetic nervous system gets activated. So, when you read some horrible news in the paper, you get a shock. The human system is very delicate. It is not made out of iron. Because of this shock, what happens is that our spleen, which is supposed to distribute blood to the various organs, is not able to do so because it is exhausted of its energy, due to the different kind of shocks we keep facing throughout the day. The spleen becomes very weak and tired, and when it is tired, one gets blood cancer. So, we should understand that our lifestyle today is full of imbalances, and only by awakening our Kundalini can we nourish our chakras. Other diseases which we call high blood pressure also happen for this reason. So, a human being should understand that he should be in balance, and if he maintains the balance completely inside himself, then certainly he can become all right in all aspects. You can treat your own self and you can treat others, too. Now the channel which is on our left side gets affected in people who keep weeping day and night. This morning someone asked Me, “Mother, Bengal is full of art, and so many incidents of the Devi have taken place here, but why is there still so much poverty here?" The only reason for this is that there is black magic here, too much black magic. I have never come across so much black magic anywhere in India or in the whole world, as in the whole of Bengal. Many gurus are responsible for this black magic. These gurus keep doing things like doing tantrism, taking money from you all, and doing this and that, and they do everything against the incarnation of Mahakali. Because of this black magic, your city is full of poverty. If you can uproot the existence of this black magic from your city, then you can see how Shri Lakshmi starts getting established here. If from one side black magic comes in, from the other side Lakshmiji goes out. Likewise, if the bottle of liquor comes in from one side, Lakshmiji goes out from the other side. The black magic literally drives her away. So, that is why when we celebrate Diwali, we light the whole place with bright lights. Because of this black magic many people are sick here. Out of every ten people, I find at least eight people are suffering due to this black magic. They go to this guru or that guru. Someone is going here and someone is going there. So, if you want to seek the truth, and your wellbeing, and the welfare of Bengal, then the first thing you have to do is to get rid of this black magic, all these false gurus, tantrism and all other such things, and become your own gurus. By becoming your own guru you can do good to yourself, to your family and to everyone else. People who use occultists, and also attack others with that, get caught up on the left channel, and when their left side gets caught, they may finish up with many psychosomatic diseases, among which is cancer. Most of the cancers are caused due to the wrath of these false gurus. If you have not gone to any guru, then believe you are saved. If you have not been a devotee to any guru, then understand that you have saved yourself. But if you have been going to all kind of gurus, then it is very difficult for you, and it is also very difficult to raise the Kundalini in such people. I am your mother, and whatever I tell you will be the truth. If you have a guru, then why is your family being affected by diseases, and why are accidents are taking place in your house, why are you facing problems, and why is your business failing? What is the use of keeping such gurus? So, I request you all to think properly and understand that we can become our own gurus, and the only way available for that is by Sahaja Yoga. The essence of all the religions is the same, that whatever is destructive should be just observed, and it should be understood that it should be used only within its limits. Whatever is eternal should be accepted. The spirit inside you is eternal, and you should obtain it. So, you should understand that by binding yourself to any religion, to any caste, or by getting caught in the web offered by a guru, you are restricting your growth, and that is why you are in trouble. I Myself get tired of answering this question many times. In foreign countries people ask Me, “You people are so spiritual, but why are you all still so poor"? The reason behind disease is that spiritualism has vanished from us, and making money and earning money, by mesmerizing people, has become our prime religion. People are making fools of themselves, because when people are in trouble they somehow want to get rid of it, but instead their difficulties keep on increasing, and this is why today our whole country is in trouble. Through the growth of Sahaja Yoga, the black magic will automatically vanish from here, because it cannot be sustained here, because the black magic cannot survive in the enlightenment of the truth, and it will disappear in such a way such that it will never dare to reappear. So, today you all decide that you will never fall into the web of black magic and you will get rid of it completely. Many people feel bad when someone asks them to leave all these bad things. So, the Sahaja Yogis talk very cautiously to others and they never talk openly. But I want to tell you clearly that when you have not benefited from this thing, then why are you still sticking to it, why do you want to hold on to it, and why do you want to grovel yourself and your children along with this? Why don't we see this new thing, with a new outlook, where we experience this, which is clearly visible to us? This is not something where a lecture is given and everything is done with. This is the actualization of a theory. This is a proven experience. Until you actually experience something, whatever you accept is not truth. The central channel is called Sushumna Nadi or the parasympathetic nervous system, which is very important, and on this are six plexuses. The first chakra, as I told you all, is below the Kundalini, which is known as Mooladhar Chakra. The next chakra is Swadishthana Chakra, and as I told you, it is responsible for all the actions on the right side, and on the left side it destroys all our impure knowledge. The Swadishthana Chakra builds up the pure knowledge, like you all desired for it yesterday. Above this is the Nabhi Chakra. The essence of our guru or master is spread around the Nabhi Chakra. In the centre is the Nabhi Chakra, and it is surrounded by the Guru Tattva, but the Swadishthana Chakra emerges out of the Nabhi Chakra. So, you cannot say which is the first chakra and which is the second chakra. So, if you say that Nabhi Chakra is the first chakra, then the Swadishthana Chakra comes out of the Nabhi Chakra and rotates around the Nabhi Chakra like a lotus, in the green area which we call Void, and nourishes the whole Nabhi Chakra by going around it. After Nabhi Chakra is the Heart Chakra. In our childhood, the antibodies are created inside the sternum bone which is around the Heart Chakra. Now, this chakra is the chakra of Jagadamba, and the antibodies are her soldiers or gan. Whether you call them antibodies or soldiers, it is the same, but people prefer the English name of antibodies; the name, gan, is a little worrisome. These antibodies spread throughout our whole body after we are twelve years of age, and when there is an attack of foreign bodies in our system, they fight with them; hence they are known as antibodies. And when the sternum bone sends messages to the antibodies to go to a particular place which has been attacked by foreign bodies, the antibodies immediately rush to that place, fight with the enemies and save us from diseases. This chakra mostly get affected in ladies as this is the mother's chakra. When a woman's motherhood is challenged, or when her husband talks ill of her, or de-grades her, or always suspects her, or makes her feel insecure, then this chakra get affected very badly, and because of this she may get breast cancer. A husband also is responsible for this. Then the Chakra which is above this is called Vishuddhi Chakra. This is Shri Krishna's Chakra. Shri Krishna's Chakra has sixteen petals. Yesterday I told you, “Don't feel guilty about anything,” because Shri Krishna has said that this whole life is a play. So why are you making it so serious? So, you don't have to take this life so seriously. The sixteen petals of the Vishuddhi Chakra spread over to our eyes, noses, ears, lips, tongues, teeth and all over the face and nourishes them. So, this is a very important chakra, which we call Vishuddhi Chakra. Next is the Agnya Chakra. This chakra has two petals. Of these two petals, one petal takes care of our pineal body, and the other petal takes care of our pituitary body. We have two channels; one is the right channel and the other is the left channel. Whatever malice gets released from our right or left channel gets accumulated in our Agnya Chakra. The malice which comes out of our right channel gives us arrogance and egoism, whenever we think we have done this job or that job, we have done this right, and we have done that right. Sometimes we think that we have created such a beautiful stage. This is nothing; we have taken a dead tree, and made some other dead things out of it. With dead stones we have made dead buildings. You are making dead things out of dead material. You are not making anything living. But humans take pride in creating this, and this ego goes and sits in that yellow coloured balloon which is shown in the picture. Then, from our left channel, the Superego is released, which we acquire from our culture. Whatever wrong culture we acquire becomes stored in the left Agnya. For example, when we think that we are Indians, or we are Bengali, or when we think that we are Brahmins and that we belong to some sub-caste, then this affects our left channel. In reality, we are nothing but human beings. God Almighty has created only one earth. Human beings have made several divisions in that; God never divided the earth into so many parts. Yes, he has created different forms, to give it an artistic look, but it doesn't mean that one human being is different from the other. One more question has come to Me about whether you should give realization to any kind of person. Is that the right thing to do? You do not know that the All-pervading Power of God's love is very eager to give realization to everyone. Very eager. Realization can be given to any kind of human being. Yes, some people go very deep, and others are a bit shallow in the beginning, but I observe that ultimately everyone settles into it, because this place is so joy-giving that everyone drowns in the Ocean of Joy. So, without any discrimination, however a person may be, whether he is literate or illiterate, whether he is poor or rich, the Kundalini is present in him, and each and every person has a right to get their Self-realization. But you should achieve it very humbly. The third question was, “Mother, tell us something about Kalki.” Today is not the time to talk about Kalki, but yes, Kalki has started manifesting. When you get your Self-realization you will know about Kalki and also about Me. It is useless to say anything before that. Absolutely useless. Whoever tried to talk about it before realization was either killed or given poison, was cheated, and was troubled in every possible way. Whenever a saint tried to talk about the truth he was given trouble, but now that is not the case. You yourself discovered the truth and recognize Kalki, and also you recognize Me. But it is important for you to know about Self-realization first. After that, I don't need to tell you about Myself. You yourself will know by yourself about Me. Now, after some time we are going to start the Self-realization program. Before that, there will be a short musical recital. If you people want to go out for some time you can go and come back to listen to the musical recital, and after the recital we will do the program of Kundalini awakening. All of you sit calmly. if you want to go out you can go and come back. After five to ten minutes we will start the Realization program. After the musical program: You all know very well that we don't take any money from anyone. So, without showing off, we have not opened a grand centre. So, consider yourself a very ordinary person and come to the centre where you can get rid of all your diseases. Here, there are many Sahaja yogis who were ill, but they have cured themselves. Many people may have tension in business, jobs and so on. They can all come to the centre and balance themselves. Then they will understand that most of the problems are mythical and some are genuine. They will achieve whatever is best for them. The benefits from Sahaja Yoga are different. A person asked Me, “If we regularly meditate at home, then what is the need to attend the collective?” The work of Sahaja Yoga is collective. We are part and parcel of the whole or Virat. So, you should understand that we all should meet collectively. Supposing the nail of a finger is broken, then we don't bother about it. Likewise, if a person is sitting separately and meditating and he thinks that he can achieve everything, then he is mistaken. We have to do meditation at home, but it is also compulsory to attend the collectivity. Without taking part in the collectivity, you cannot ascend spiritually. You have to spare some time. For your own ascent you will have to dedicate some time. It is very common that when you are not well you go to the doctor, spend your time and money and take so much trouble, but you don't have time for Sahaja Yoga. Then when I come the next year, I find that you have some other disease. Then I cure that and some other disease creeps in. If you have to keep doing this all the time it is better that you completely leave Sahaja Yoga. If you want to go deeper inside yoga you should understand that first you have to get your Self-realization, and if a lamp cannot give life to others, what is the point in healing that lamp? God has a lot of common sense. What is the point in running after someone who is not going to give light to others? So, whoever thinks that they are ill should take advantage of Sahaja Yoga, cure themselves and then impart light to others and promote Sahaja Yoga. The third question is that many people have asked about Me as to who I am, and where have I come from. I am not going to answer this question now. Even if I tell now you will not recognize Me. You first know about your spirit and know about yourself and then you will know about Me. Now, you are willing to get your Self-realization. So, all of you keep your left hand on your lap towards Me. You don't have to sit too straight, or bend forward too much; just sit comfortably. All of you keep your left hand towards Me, and keep your right hand, which denotes action, on your heart. In our heart resides the spirit, but the seat of this is on our Brahmarandhra, which is present in our fontanelle bone. Now, first keep your right hand on your heart and then take your right hand to the upper part of your abdomen on the left side. This means that all the actions are going to happen on the left side. This chakra is the place of our masters or gurus. Old great masters who took birth in this world have established this chakra for us. When we awaken this chakra, we become our own masters. Then you keep your right hand on the lower side of your abdomen, on the left side. This chakra is about pure knowledge. When we awaken this chakra, all the impure knowledge, like black magic, gets destroyed. By awakening this chakra, you develop collective consciousness, due to which you can know your problems and also the problems of others. The pure knowledge makes you collectively conscious. After this, you bring your right hand on the upper part of your abdomen, and then again to your heart. Then, you take your right hand on the neck and shoulder joint on the left side and turn your head to your right. This chakra gets caught when we feel guilty or when we demean ourselves or we think that we are sinners. When we start thinking like this, this chakra gets damaged and we end up with diseases like spondylitis and angina. Now keep your right hand across your forehead, and press on your temples. Bend your head and press on both temples. Bend your head and press hard on the side of head. This chakra is for forgiving everyone. Now take your right hand on the back of your head, bend your head backward and look up to the sky. This chakra is to ask forgiveness from the All-pervading Power, but you don't have to feel guilty for anything. Now, keep the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone, on the crown of your head. Bend your head and now slowly rotate the scalp of your head seven times. Stretch your fingers outwards to put pressure on your head. Rotate the scalp seven times properly, as this is very important. Now we will do the actual meditation. For this you have to close your eyes. For this there are two conditions. The first one is that you have to forget your past. Whatever mistakes you made in the past, forget them and be here in the present. Whatever ill-feeling you have towards yourself, forget everything, and be in a cheerful mood, because you are going to the Kingdom of God. So whatever inferior feelings you have towards yourself, leave them, and whatever past thoughts you have, forget everything completely. Then the next condition is that you forgive yourself completely and forgive everyone in general, without thinking about anyone in particular who troubled or bothered you. Forgive everyone at once. One gentleman told Me, “Mother, it is very difficult to forgive anyone." To that I replied, “Whether you forgive or not, you are not doing anything. What do you do? If you don't forgive, then what do you do? In fact, if you don't forgive someone then you are playing into the hands of those who want to trouble you. You trouble yourself even more than them, because they are sitting happily when you are troubled. If you understand this simple truth, you will forgive everyone from the bottom of your heart.” This is very important because this is the job of the Agnya Chakra, and the opening of Agnya Chakra is very narrow. So, if you don't forgive completely, it will be very difficult for the Kundalini to rise above. So Please remember that you have to forgive everyone. And the third thing which I told you is this [Self-realization]) cannot be forced on anyone. I respect your freedom completely, and you will get this only when you ask for it in your freedom and dignity. Now, those who are sitting on chairs, keep your legs apart. We have two powers, namely the left and right powers. So both legs should be kept apart on the floor. There is no problem for people who are sitting on the ground. Now keep your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart, and close your eyes. And don't open your eyes until I ask you to do so. It is better if you remove your spectacles as this can improve your vision. If you have any sacred thread around your neck or around your waist, please remove that. If anything is troubling you then loosen it. And please close your eyes now. With your eyes closed, keep your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me. Now you have to ask Me a question here which is an absolute truth about you. So, in your heart, not loudly, ask Me this question three times. You can either call me "Mother" or "Shri Mataji". Ask me three times, “Mother, am I a pure spirit? Mother, am I a pure spirit?" Ask this three times. If you are a spirit, then you are also your own master, because in the enlightenment of your spirit you will know everything. Now keep your right hand on the upper side of your abdomen, on the left side. Press it and ask Me one more question, “Mother, am I my own master? Am I my own guru?” Ask this question three times. You can ask in any language. Now, I want to tell you again that I cannot force anything on you, and the pure knowledge cannot be imposed upon you. So, now keep your right hand on the lower part of your abdomen on the left side. Press it, and as this chakra has six petals, say six times, “Shri Mataji, please give me pure knowledge.” Say this six times. “Shri Mataji, please bless me with the pure knowledge.” You should understand that as soon as you ask for the pure knowledge, the activity in your Kundalini starts and the Kundalini wants to rise up. So now we will nourish our chakras which are above Kundalini and we will try to open them with our self-confidence. So, now again bring your right hand on the upper part of your abdomen, press it hard and with full self-confidence, you have to say ten times, as this chakra has ten petals, “Shri Mataji, I am my own master. Shri Mataji, I am my own guru.” Say it with complete confidence. Say it ten times. The greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, this soul, this intelligence, this mind, and this ego. You are not this emotion and you are not this desire, but you are a pure spirit. So, now keep your right hand on your heart and say with full confidence, in your heart, “Mother, I am a pure spirit. Shri Mataji, I am a pure spirit." Say this twelve times, as there are twelve petals in this chakra. So, repeat this twelve times, “Shri Mataji, I am a pure spirit.” I told you before that you have to forgive yourself. The All-pervading Power is an ocean of love and forgiveness. This is an ocean of joy and blessings. But most of all, it is an ocean of forgiveness. So, you cannot do any kind of mistake which cannot be dissolved in this ocean. So whatever mistakes you have done, forget them, and for the time being, be in the present and forget your past. Now keep your right hand on your neck and shoulder joint on the left side and turn your head towards the right. Here, with full confidence you have to say, “Shri Mataji, I am not guilty at all. Shri Mataji, I have not made any mistakes." You can say this sixteen times. Confidently, say this sixteen times, as I have already told you Vishuddhi Chakra has sixteen petals. I told you earlier that you have to forgive everyone. Yesterday, some people told me that they are getting a hot breeze from their crowns. I told them, “Please forgive everyone.” After they forgave, they started getting a cool breeze. So, unnecessarily we wasted some time. If you don't forgive someone, you are unnecessarily playing into the wrong hands of those who have already harmed you and want you to be unhappy. So, get rid of the myth that you can forgive or not forgive anyone, and from the bottom of your heart forgive everyone. And now keep your hand across your forehead, bend your head slightly, press on both temples and wholeheartedly forgive everyone in general, not counting their mistakes. Forgive everyone. If you forgive everyone altogether, you will get a lot of relief. You don't need to count the number of times, but wholeheartedly say, “Shri Mataji, I forgive everyone." Now take your right hand behind your head, tilt your head backwards completely and look up. Here, without counting your mistakes, say wholeheartedly, “Oh God Almighty, if I have done anything wrong, knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me. Oh, All-pervading Power, please forgive all the mistakes I have made, knowingly or unknowingly." You don't need to count your mistakes or your sins, but say this just for your satisfaction. Say it from your heart. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, but say it wholeheartedly. When you say this from the bottom of your heart you will be surprised to feel the lightness in your mind. Now, stretch your palm completely, and keep the centre of the palm on your crown [fontanelle bone] and press hard. Press hard and stretch your fingers backward so that there is good pressure on the crown. And now bend your head, and rotate your scalp seven times, in a clockwise direction, giving proper pressure. Remember one thing, that I cannot force Self-realization on you. So, it is essential that you say seven times, “Shri Mataji, please give me my Self-realization." You will have to ask this, as this cannot be forced on you. Say seven times, “Shri Mataji, kindly give me my Self-realization." (Blowing air into the microphone). Now bring your hands down. Keep your hands towards Me and look at Me, without thinking. You can see that you become thoughtless. Now extend your right hand towards Me and with your left hand on the top of your head, bend your head and see if you are getting any cool breeze. Don't keep your hand very close to your fontanelle bone. Keep it a little above the head. Some people get the breeze much above the head. If you are feeling a hot breeze, understand that you have not forgiven from your heart and do so now. If you forgive, the breeze will become cold. Now keep your left hand towards Me. Bend your head. With your head bent, check with your right hand if you are getting any cool breeze from your fontanelle bone. Now keep your right hand towards Me and once again check with your left hand on top of your head, if you are getting any cool breeze or not. Check again very carefully if you are getting a cool breeze, and if you are getting a hot breeze, then forgive again. As soon as you forgive you will start getting a cool breeze. Now lift both your hands towards the sky and bend your head backwards. Now, look up and ask a question, “Mother, are these vibrations Paramchaitanya?” Ask this three times. “Is this the All-pervading Power of God's Love?" Ask any of these questions three times. Now bring your hands down. Bring them down. Now whoever felt the cool breeze from their heads or from their hands raise both your hands. Whoever felt cool breeze either from the head or hands, lift your hands up. I want to see. My salutations to you saints. Now you all are Self-realized. Your Kundalini has awakened and pierced the Brahmarandhra, because of which you felt the cool breeze. But this is not sufficient. It is also possible that Kundalini has not awakened today in some people who have health problems, or who are wrongdoers. But I request you all to attend the seven-day program which is going to take place here and get rid of all your problems, clear all your doubts and achieve this completely. I hope you will listen to Me and you will completely respect your Self-realization also. And you will respect yourself also and understand that you are special because only you people have got Self-realization in the whole of Calcutta. I bless you to attain depth in Sahaja Yoga, resourcefully.

I told you yesterday that truth is fixed in its place. No one can change it. We just have to know the truth and achieve it. Until we have experienced the truth, it is a big mistake to accept anything as the proof of truth. Many people have their own convictions that, “This saying of mine is true, and that saying of mine is the truth. This religion is true, and that religion is true”. In this manner, we fight among ourselves, in the name of truth, but the truth is absolute. So, if the truth is absolute, and we have to know that absolute truth, then what is the need for fighting? There can be no fight because everyone knows the same truth. For example, I am standing here. Everyone watching sees that I am standing here. Now, no one can fight over the subject that I am not standing here. Everyone knows that I am standing here. Likewise, whatever is the truth should be the same for everyone. If it is not the same, then it is not the truth. Yesterday I explained to you that there can be one of the many aspects of truth, but that cannot be the complete truth. Today, we will try to know about the great truth which is hidden inside us, which is known as the spirit. And, the Kundalini, which enlightens this spirit in our attention, is situated in the triangular bone. This is present in three and a half coils. This is called Kundalini because kundal means coil. You should not pay attention to whatever has been mentioned about Kundalini in modern books. In reality, the Kundalini cannot harm anyone. As I explained yesterday, and you all witnessed, the Kundalini was awakened in many people, and many others experienced the subtle creation, which we call Paramchaitanya, or vibrations. This was felt on their central nervous systems. Whatever we have achieved in our evolution, we can sense that on our central nervous systems. For example, supposing we take an animal like a horse through a dirty lane, it will not mind the dirt and will go through the lane without any difficulty. But if a human being is asked to do the same thing he cannot do it because there is a new awareness inside him, because of which he can see the dirt, understand it and feel revulsion for it. Likewise, when this awareness becomes very strong in us and the true religion is established inside us, not outside, but inside us, without the social pressure, and without using our mind, without any institution, when this religion gets established, then a person can never do anything wrong, just like ascetics never do anything wrong. Yesterday, I told you about the six chakras. As you can see, they are situated above the Kundalini, and there is one chakra below the Kundalini which is known as Mooladhar Chakra, and the Kundalini is sitting inside the triangular bone inside Mooladhar. So, Mooladhar and Mooladhar Chakra are two different things. When the Kundalini awakens, then a royal unity of consciousness takes place inside us; not outside, but inside us. Like, when a motor starts, the whole machinery automatically starts working. In the same way, when the Kundalini awakens and passes through a chakra, that chakra automatically tightens around the Kundalini so that it doesn't come down. And when the Kundalini moves forward to the next chakra, the same thing happens there, also to stop the Kundalini from falling down. This is "royal union" or "Raj Yog". And when Kundalini comes to Vishuddhi Chakra, your tongue gets pulled a little inside, because of this tightening of Kundalini, so that it doesn't fall below Vishuddhi. But this doesn't mean that you start rotating the wheel before starting the motor. All these modern and man-made yogas of today are only of this type. When I went to Kavikotiya, I noticed that some of the very good doctors from India had cut their tongues, and they were hanging out a little bit. I asked them, “What have you done to yourselves?" They replied, “We have done this to do khechari, a yog mudra. Khechari takes place when there is a contraction in the Vishuddhi Chakra around the Kundalini.” I said, "What is the use of doing this kind of khechari, which is from the exterior?” They replied, “We put our tongues down our throats and try to stop the Kundalini.” “But what are you trying to stop, when there is no Kundalini?” So, the modern Raj Yog is very artificial. I can say the same thing about Hath Yog. Hath Yog also should be done only when your Kundalini is awakened; meaning, when the Kundalini is passing through a particular chakra, and if there is some physical ailment in that chakra, only then should asanas be done. In Hath Yog there is Ashtang, which has very little Vyayam or exercise. But we do it as if we are taking all the medicines for one disease. The same is the case for Pranayam. You always asked Me about Pranayam. We also do that in the wrong way. When our Kundalini rises and if our right channel is weak, in that case we can do Pranayam, but very carefully, considering it as a science. But if you are doing Pranayam unnecessarily, then it is possible that you will end up with many diseases and you may become very sluggish; so sluggish that you may be devoid of all feelings, and if you are a married person, it is even possible that you will leave your wife and children and think that you have become an ascetic. A kind of imbalance comes in your life. So, it is not advisable to do anything with your eyes closed. Which asana is required at which time can be understood after the awakening of the Kundalini, when Kundalini arises and stops at a particular chakra. Like today we were coming in our vehicle, and at one point the road ended. So then we knew that there is no way to get here, and what should we do next? But if you have not started from the home at all, and you are doing all sorts of exercises just by sitting at home, then where is the point in it? This will only give you unnecessary trouble. So, Sahaja Yoga combines with Pranayam only when there is a necessity. So, when there is a necessity, we definitely teach Pranayam when a person’s right channel is weak. I told you yesterday about the six chakras, and you can learn from books about the functions of these chakras and what we gain from them. Likewise we have three channels or nadis inside us. The first nadi is known as Mahakali's channel, which takes care of our left sympathetic nervous system. Similarly, the right channel is known as Mahasaraswati's channel, which takes care of the right sympathetic nervous system. And the channel in the centre is called Sushumna Nadi, which takes care of the parasympathetic nervous system. Now the doctors do not differentiate between the three channels. They think the right sympathetic and the left sympathetic channels are the same, but it is not like that. The left sympathetic takes care of our emotions and desires. So, the left channel, on the left side, in subtle terms we call Ida Nadi, which takes care of the left sympathetic nervous system. We also call it the moon channel. Apart from this, the whole of our past from the time this world was created is stored in this left channel. The channel on our right side is known as the sun channel. This channel is responsible for all the work we do physically, and mentally, like thinking and planning. We call this the sun channel and also Pingala Nadi. When we think of our future, or imagine our future, then this channel comes into action. The central channel keeps the left and right channels in balance. For example, when you run very fast, your heartbeat increases very much, but after some time you become completely normal and your heartbeat gets regular. This is done by the parasympathetic nervous system, the central channel, also known as Sushumna Nadi. But when your Kundalini awakens and goes through the most interior part of the Sushumna Nadi, which is known as Brahma Nadi, a hair-like thin strand of Kundalini pierces the fontanelle bone and comes out. As soon as it pierces the fontanelle bone or Brahmarandhra, the vibrations start flowing around, the narrow chakras open up and more nadis come out of the fontanelle bone. And this way you get connected to the All-pervading Power which is responsible for this subtle creation, and whom we have not recognised yet. This recognition happens on our fingers. We start sensing this on our fingers, and vibrations start flowing from our palms. Shri Shankaracharya has described this sensation as "Salaam, Salilam", meaning cool breeze. A cool breeze starts flowing from our fingers and hands, and this cool breeze tells or informs us about the problems in our body and also in other people’s bodies. So much so that whenever Brahmarandhra gets pierced, the cool breeze start flowing from there also. And until we start making use of this cool breeze we will not understand its usefulness and advantages. The two channels, the left and right channels, which are inside us, are very important. When a person starts thinking too much about his past, is always unhappy, and keeps degrading himself, then the left channel disintegrates so much that his mental condition keeps falling and falling and he lands up in a state which is called collective sub-conscious. And inside him a kind of condition develops, due to which he faces severe mental calamity. Extreme depression, epilepsy and insanity are due to the malfunctioning of this left channel. The right channel gets activated when we think too much or we do too much physical work. When we think too much, a kind of imbalance come inside us. Imagine that the chakras are in the centre of My hand like this, and this is the right chakra and this is the left chakra. Now slowly, if the energy on our left side or the right side gets pulled, then the path in the middle becomes narrow. And when it becomes narrow, our energy levels drop, and because of the jerk, if the right-side or the left-side channel breaks, then the connection with our brain also will be broken. Now, many people get the disease of diabetes, disease of liver and kidney. Not only that, they also get blood pressure problems and hypertension. The one and only reason for all these is today's lifestyle. Today's lifestyle is very stressful. A human’s life becomes so full of struggle that he keeps thinking and planning his future as to what he should do now, how he should plan his future. Because of this thinking, the chakra, which is known as Swadishthan Chakra, gets affected. This chakra has a major function of maintaining the level of grey cells in our brain. When we think too much our grey cells get exhausted and they have to be renewed. So, when we think too much, the whole attention of the Swadishthana Chakra goes into the function of replacing the brain cells. Now the big question that arises here is what will do the other functions of this chakra. Among its other functions, the Swadishthana Chakra is responsible for taking care of our liver, pancreas, spleen, kidneys and some portion of the intestine. Since all these functions are completely ignored by Swadishthana, people who think too much land up with the problem of liver. Doctors do not know much about the liver diseases, nor can they cure them. They cannot find out the problem until you reach the stage where you are about to die, and then they will give you the certificate that you have cirrhosis of the liver and you are going to die in a month. Only Sahaja Yoga has the remedy to cure this problem. In Sahaja Yoga, when the Kundalini awakens, it reconnects and reopens the narrow chakras through which the energy starts flowing again, and the Kundalini nourishes the particular chakra completely, thus making the person totally normal. Now consider the pancreas. If a person’s pancreas is not fully functional, due to an overactive Swadishthana, then the person may get diabetes. Diabetes is very common in cities, but not in villages. In Maharashtra if you go to villages and ask them to make tea for you, they will add so much sugar that the spoon stands in it. Without that, they will say, "What kind of tea is this?" They eat so much sugar but they never get diabetes. Mostly, people who think too much and do office work get diabetes, because they keep planning too much and their Swadishthana Chakra doesn't have the energy to take care of the pancreas, as a result of which they get diabetes. If by any means these people can be brought to balance, then their diabetes can be cured. After this, the most horrible disease is blood cancer. This can happen due to an overactive spleen. In today's life, a man's life is full of upheavals. As soon as you get up in the morning you read the newspaper. At that moment if there is any shocking news in the newspaper, you get a shock, due to which your sympathetic nervous system gets activated. So, when you read some horrible news in the paper, you get a shock. The human system is very delicate. It is not made out of iron. Because of this shock, what happens is that our spleen, which is supposed to distribute blood to the various organs, is not able to do so because it is exhausted of its energy, due to the different kind of shocks we keep facing throughout the day. The spleen becomes very weak and tired, and when it is tired, one gets blood cancer. So, we should understand that our lifestyle today is full of imbalances, and only by awakening our Kundalini can we nourish our chakras. Other diseases which we call high blood pressure also happen for this reason. So, a human being should understand that he should be in balance, and if he maintains the balance completely inside himself, then certainly he can become all right in all aspects. You can treat your own self and you can treat others, too. Now the channel which is on our left side gets affected in people who keep weeping day and night. This morning someone asked Me, “Mother, Bengal is full of art, and so many incidents of the Devi have taken place here, but why is there still so much poverty here?" The only reason for this is that there is black magic here, too much black magic. I have never come across so much black magic anywhere in India or in the whole world, as in the whole of Bengal. Many gurus are responsible for this black magic. These gurus keep doing things like doing tantrism, taking money from you all, and doing this and that, and they do everything against the incarnation of Mahakali. Because of this black magic, your city is full of poverty. If you can uproot the existence of this black magic from your city, then you can see how Shri Lakshmi starts getting established here. If from one side black magic comes in, from the other side Lakshmiji goes out. Likewise, if the bottle of liquor comes in from one side, Lakshmiji goes out from the other side. The black magic literally drives her away. So, that is why when we celebrate Diwali, we light the whole place with bright lights. Because of this black magic many people are sick here. Out of every ten people, I find at least eight people are suffering due to this black magic. They go to this guru or that guru. Someone is going here and someone is going there. So, if you want to seek the truth, and your wellbeing, and the welfare of Bengal, then the first thing you have to do is to get rid of this black magic, all these false gurus, tantrism and all other such things, and become your own gurus. By becoming your own guru you can do good to yourself, to your family and to everyone else. People who use occultists, and also attack others with that, get caught up on the left channel, and when their left side gets caught, they may finish up with many psychosomatic diseases, among which is cancer. Most of the cancers are caused due to the wrath of these false gurus. If you have not gone to any guru, then believe you are saved. If you have not been a devotee to any guru, then understand that you have saved yourself. But if you have been going to all kind of gurus, then it is very difficult for you, and it is also very difficult to raise the Kundalini in such people. I am your mother, and whatever I tell you will be the truth. If you have a guru, then why is your family being affected by diseases, and why are accidents are taking place in your house, why are you facing problems, and why is your business failing? What is the use of keeping such gurus? So, I request you all to think properly and understand that we can become our own gurus, and the only way available for that is by Sahaja Yoga. The essence of all the religions is the same, that whatever is destructive should be just observed, and it should be understood that it should be used only within its limits. Whatever is eternal should be accepted. The spirit inside you is eternal, and you should obtain it. So, you should understand that by binding yourself to any religion, to any caste, or by getting caught in the web offered by a guru, you are restricting your growth, and that is why you are in trouble. I Myself get tired of answering this question many times. In foreign countries people ask Me, “You people are so spiritual, but why are you all still so poor"? The reason behind disease is that spiritualism has vanished from us, and making money and earning money, by mesmerizing people, has become our prime religion. People are making fools of themselves, because when people are in trouble they somehow want to get rid of it, but instead their difficulties keep on increasing, and this is why today our whole country is in trouble. Through the growth of Sahaja Yoga, the black magic will automatically vanish from here, because it cannot be sustained here, because the black magic cannot survive in the enlightenment of the truth, and it will disappear in such a way such that it will never dare to reappear. So, today you all decide that you will never fall into the web of black magic and you will get rid of it completely. Many people feel bad when someone asks them to leave all these bad things. So, the Sahaja Yogis talk very cautiously to others and they never talk openly. But I want to tell you clearly that when you have not benefited from this thing, then why are you still sticking to it, why do you want to hold on to it, and why do you want to grovel yourself and your children along with this? Why don't we see this new thing, with a new outlook, where we experience this, which is clearly visible to us? This is not something where a lecture is given and everything is done with. This is the actualization of a theory. This is a proven experience. Until you actually experience something, whatever you accept is not truth. The central channel is called Sushumna Nadi or the parasympathetic nervous system, which is very important, and on this are six plexuses. The first chakra, as I told you all, is below the Kundalini, which is known as Mooladhar Chakra. The next chakra is Swadishthana Chakra, and as I told you, it is responsible for all the actions on the right side, and on the left side it destroys all our impure knowledge. The Swadishthana Chakra builds up the pure knowledge, like you all desired for it yesterday. Above this is the Nabhi Chakra. The essence of our guru or master is spread around the Nabhi Chakra. In the centre is the Nabhi Chakra, and it is surrounded by the Guru Tattva, but the Swadishthana Chakra emerges out of the Nabhi Chakra. So, you cannot say which is the first chakra and which is the second chakra. So, if you say that Nabhi Chakra is the first chakra, then the Swadishthana Chakra comes out of the Nabhi Chakra and rotates around the Nabhi Chakra like a lotus, in the green area which we call Void, and nourishes the whole Nabhi Chakra by going around it. After Nabhi Chakra is the Heart Chakra. In our childhood, the antibodies are created inside the sternum bone which is around the Heart Chakra. Now, this chakra is the chakra of Jagadamba, and the antibodies are her soldiers or gan. Whether you call them antibodies or soldiers, it is the same, but people prefer the English name of antibodies; the name, gan, is a little worrisome. These antibodies spread throughout our whole body after we are twelve years of age, and when there is an attack of foreign bodies in our system, they fight with them; hence they are known as antibodies. And when the sternum bone sends messages to the antibodies to go to a particular place which has been attacked by foreign bodies, the antibodies immediately rush to that place, fight with the enemies and save us from diseases. This chakra mostly get affected in ladies as this is the mother's chakra. When a woman's motherhood is challenged, or when her husband talks ill of her, or de-grades her, or always suspects her, or makes her feel insecure, then this chakra get affected very badly, and because of this she may get breast cancer. A husband also is responsible for this. Then the Chakra which is above this is called Vishuddhi Chakra. This is Shri Krishna's Chakra. Shri Krishna's Chakra has sixteen petals. Yesterday I told you, “Don't feel guilty about anything,” because Shri Krishna has said that this whole life is a play. So why are you making it so serious? So, you don't have to take this life so seriously. The sixteen petals of the Vishuddhi Chakra spread over to our eyes, noses, ears, lips, tongues, teeth and all over the face and nourishes them. So, this is a very important chakra, which we call Vishuddhi Chakra. Next is the Agnya Chakra. This chakra has two petals. Of these two petals, one petal takes care of our pineal body, and the other petal takes care of our pituitary body. We have two channels; one is the right channel and the other is the left channel. Whatever malice gets released from our right or left channel gets accumulated in our Agnya Chakra. The malice which comes out of our right channel gives us arrogance and egoism, whenever we think we have done this job or that job, we have done this right, and we have done that right. Sometimes we think that we have created such a beautiful stage. This is nothing; we have taken a dead tree, and made some other dead things out of it. With dead stones we have made dead buildings. You are making dead things out of dead material. You are not making anything living. But humans take pride in creating this, and this ego goes and sits in that yellow coloured balloon which is shown in the picture. Then, from our left channel, the Superego is released, which we acquire from our culture. Whatever wrong culture we acquire becomes stored in the left Agnya. For example, when we think that we are Indians, or we are Bengali, or when we think that we are Brahmins and that we belong to some sub-caste, then this affects our left channel. In reality, we are nothing but human beings. God Almighty has created only one earth. Human beings have made several divisions in that; God never divided the earth into so many parts. Yes, he has created different forms, to give it an artistic look, but it doesn't mean that one human being is different from the other. One more question has come to Me about whether you should give realization to any kind of person. Is that the right thing to do? You do not know that the All-pervading Power of God's love is very eager to give realization to everyone. Very eager. Realization can be given to any kind of human being. Yes, some people go very deep, and others are a bit shallow in the beginning, but I observe that ultimately everyone settles into it, because this place is so joy-giving that everyone drowns in the Ocean of Joy. So, without any discrimination, however a person may be, whether he is literate or illiterate, whether he is poor or rich, the Kundalini is present in him, and each and every person has a right to get their Self-realization. But you should achieve it very humbly. The third question was, “Mother, tell us something about Kalki.” Today is not the time to talk about Kalki, but yes, Kalki has started manifesting. When you get your Self-realization you will know about Kalki and also about Me. It is useless to say anything before that. Absolutely useless. Whoever tried to talk about it before realization was either killed or given poison, was cheated, and was troubled in every possible way. Whenever a saint tried to talk about the truth he was given trouble, but now that is not the case. You yourself discovered the truth and recognize Kalki, and also you recognize Me. But it is important for you to know about Self-realization first. After that, I don't need to tell you about Myself. You yourself will know by yourself about Me. Now, after some time we are going to start the Self-realization program. Before that, there will be a short musical recital. If you people want to go out for some time you can go and come back to listen to the musical recital, and after the recital we will do the program of Kundalini awakening. All of you sit calmly. if you want to go out you can go and come back. After five to ten minutes we will start the Realization program. After the musical program: You all know very well that we don't take any money from anyone. So, without showing off, we have not opened a grand centre. So, consider yourself a very ordinary person and come to the centre where you can get rid of all your diseases. Here, there are many Sahaja yogis who were ill, but they have cured themselves. Many people may have tension in business, jobs and so on. They can all come to the centre and balance themselves. Then they will understand that most of the problems are mythical and some are genuine. They will achieve whatever is best for them. The benefits from Sahaja Yoga are different. A person asked Me, “If we regularly meditate at home, then what is the need to attend the collective?” The work of Sahaja Yoga is collective. We are part and parcel of the whole or Virat. So, you should understand that we all should meet collectively. Supposing the nail of a finger is broken, then we don't bother about it. Likewise, if a person is sitting separately and meditating and he thinks that he can achieve everything, then he is mistaken. We have to do meditation at home, but it is also compulsory to attend the collectivity. Without taking part in the collectivity, you cannot ascend spiritually. You have to spare some time. For your own ascent you will have to dedicate some time. It is very common that when you are not well you go to the doctor, spend your time and money and take so much trouble, but you don't have time for Sahaja Yoga. Then when I come the next year, I find that you have some other disease. Then I cure that and some other disease creeps in. If you have to keep doing this all the time it is better that you completely leave Sahaja Yoga. If you want to go deeper inside yoga you should understand that first you have to get your Self-realization, and if a lamp cannot give life to others, what is the point in healing that lamp? God has a lot of common sense. What is the point in running after someone who is not going to give light to others? So, whoever thinks that they are ill should take advantage of Sahaja Yoga, cure themselves and then impart light to others and promote Sahaja Yoga. The third question is that many people have asked about Me as to who I am, and where have I come from. I am not going to answer this question now. Even if I tell now you will not recognize Me. You first know about your spirit and know about yourself and then you will know about Me. Now, you are willing to get your Self-realization. So, all of you keep your left hand on your lap towards Me. You don't have to sit too straight, or bend forward too much; just sit comfortably. All of you keep your left hand towards Me, and keep your right hand, which denotes action, on your heart. In our heart resides the spirit, but the seat of this is on our Brahmarandhra, which is present in our fontanelle bone. Now, first keep your right hand on your heart and then take your right hand to the upper part of your abdomen on the left side. This means that all the actions are going to happen on the left side. This chakra is the place of our masters or gurus. Old great masters who took birth in this world have established this chakra for us. When we awaken this chakra, we become our own masters. Then you keep your right hand on the lower side of your abdomen, on the left side. This chakra is about pure knowledge. When we awaken this chakra, all the impure knowledge, like black magic, gets destroyed. By awakening this chakra, you develop collective consciousness, due to which you can know your problems and also the problems of others. The pure knowledge makes you collectively conscious. After this, you bring your right hand on the upper part of your abdomen, and then again to your heart. Then, you take your right hand on the neck and shoulder joint on the left side and turn your head to your right. This chakra gets caught when we feel guilty or when we demean ourselves or we think that we are sinners. When we start thinking like this, this chakra gets damaged and we end up with diseases like spondylitis and angina. Now keep your right hand across your forehead, and press on your temples. Bend your head and press on both temples. Bend your head and press hard on the side of head. This chakra is for forgiving everyone. Now take your right hand on the back of your head, bend your head backward and look up to the sky. This chakra is to ask forgiveness from the All-pervading Power, but you don't have to feel guilty for anything. Now, keep the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone, on the crown of your head. Bend your head and now slowly rotate the scalp of your head seven times. Stretch your fingers outwards to put pressure on your head. Rotate the scalp seven times properly, as this is very important. Now we will do the actual meditation. For this you have to close your eyes. For this there are two conditions. The first one is that you have to forget your past. Whatever mistakes you made in the past, forget them and be here in the present. Whatever ill-feeling you have towards yourself, forget everything, and be in a cheerful mood, because you are going to the Kingdom of God. So whatever inferior feelings you have towards yourself, leave them, and whatever past thoughts you have, forget everything completely. Then the next condition is that you forgive yourself completely and forgive everyone in general, without thinking about anyone in particular who troubled or bothered you. Forgive everyone at once. One gentleman told Me, “Mother, it is very difficult to forgive anyone." To that I replied, “Whether you forgive or not, you are not doing anything. What do you do? If you don't forgive, then what do you do? In fact, if you don't forgive someone then you are playing into the hands of those who want to trouble you. You trouble yourself even more than them, because they are sitting happily when you are troubled. If you understand this simple truth, you will forgive everyone from the bottom of your heart.” This is very important because this is the job of the Agnya Chakra, and the opening of Agnya Chakra is very narrow. So, if you don't forgive completely, it will be very difficult for the Kundalini to rise above. So Please remember that you have to forgive everyone. And the third thing which I told you is this [Self-realization]) cannot be forced on anyone. I respect your freedom completely, and you will get this only when you ask for it in your freedom and dignity. Now, those who are sitting on chairs, keep your legs apart. We have two powers, namely the left and right powers. So both legs should be kept apart on the floor. There is no problem for people who are sitting on the ground. Now keep your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart, and close your eyes. And don't open your eyes until I ask you to do so. It is better if you remove your spectacles as this can improve your vision. If you have any sacred thread around your neck or around your waist, please remove that. If anything is troubling you then loosen it. And please close your eyes now. With your eyes closed, keep your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me. Now you have to ask Me a question here which is an absolute truth about you. So, in your heart, not loudly, ask Me this question three times. You can either call me "Mother" or "Shri Mataji". Ask me three times, “Mother, am I a pure spirit? Mother, am I a pure spirit?" Ask this three times. If you are a spirit, then you are also your own master, because in the enlightenment of your spirit you will know everything. Now keep your right hand on the upper side of your abdomen, on the left side. Press it and ask Me one more question, “Mother, am I my own master? Am I my own guru?” Ask this question three times. You can ask in any language. Now, I want to tell you again that I cannot force anything on you, and the pure knowledge cannot be imposed upon you. So, now keep your right hand on the lower part of your abdomen on the left side. Press it, and as this chakra has six petals, say six times, “Shri Mataji, please give me pure knowledge.” Say this six times. “Shri Mataji, please bless me with the pure knowledge.” You should understand that as soon as you ask for the pure knowledge, the activity in your Kundalini starts and the Kundalini wants to rise up. So now we will nourish our chakras which are above Kundalini and we will try to open them with our self-confidence. So, now again bring your right hand on the upper part of your abdomen, press it hard and with full self-confidence, you have to say ten times, as this chakra has ten petals, “Shri Mataji, I am my own master. Shri Mataji, I am my own guru.” Say it with complete confidence. Say it ten times. The greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, this soul, this intelligence, this mind, and this ego. You are not this emotion and you are not this desire, but you are a pure spirit. So, now keep your right hand on your heart and say with full confidence, in your heart, “Mother, I am a pure spirit. Shri Mataji, I am a pure spirit." Say this twelve times, as there are twelve petals in this chakra. So, repeat this twelve times, “Shri Mataji, I am a pure spirit.” I told you before that you have to forgive yourself. The All-pervading Power is an ocean of love and forgiveness. This is an ocean of joy and blessings. But most of all, it is an ocean of forgiveness. So, you cannot do any kind of mistake which cannot be dissolved in this ocean. So whatever mistakes you have done, forget them, and for the time being, be in the present and forget your past. Now keep your right hand on your neck and shoulder joint on the left side and turn your head towards the right. Here, with full confidence you have to say, “Shri Mataji, I am not guilty at all. Shri Mataji, I have not made any mistakes." You can say this sixteen times. Confidently, say this sixteen times, as I have already told you Vishuddhi Chakra has sixteen petals. I told you earlier that you have to forgive everyone. Yesterday, some people told me that they are getting a hot breeze from their crowns. I told them, “Please forgive everyone.” After they forgave, they started getting a cool breeze. So, unnecessarily we wasted some time. If you don't forgive someone, you are unnecessarily playing into the wrong hands of those who have already harmed you and want you to be unhappy. So, get rid of the myth that you can forgive or not forgive anyone, and from the bottom of your heart forgive everyone. And now keep your hand across your forehead, bend your head slightly, press on both temples and wholeheartedly forgive everyone in general, not counting their mistakes. Forgive everyone. If you forgive everyone altogether, you will get a lot of relief. You don't need to count the number of times, but wholeheartedly say, “Shri Mataji, I forgive everyone." Now take your right hand behind your head, tilt your head backwards completely and look up. Here, without counting your mistakes, say wholeheartedly, “Oh God Almighty, if I have done anything wrong, knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me. Oh, All-pervading Power, please forgive all the mistakes I have made, knowingly or unknowingly." You don't need to count your mistakes or your sins, but say this just for your satisfaction. Say it from your heart. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, but say it wholeheartedly. When you say this from the bottom of your heart you will be surprised to feel the lightness in your mind. Now, stretch your palm completely, and keep the centre of the palm on your crown [fontanelle bone] and press hard. Press hard and stretch your fingers backward so that there is good pressure on the crown. And now bend your head, and rotate your scalp seven times, in a clockwise direction, giving proper pressure. Remember one thing, that I cannot force Self-realization on you. So, it is essential that you say seven times, “Shri Mataji, please give me my Self-realization." You will have to ask this, as this cannot be forced on you. Say seven times, “Shri Mataji, kindly give me my Self-realization." (Blowing air into the microphone). Now bring your hands down. Keep your hands towards Me and look at Me, without thinking. You can see that you become thoughtless. Now extend your right hand towards Me and with your left hand on the top of your head, bend your head and see if you are getting any cool breeze. Don't keep your hand very close to your fontanelle bone. Keep it a little above the head. Some people get the breeze much above the head. If you are feeling a hot breeze, understand that you have not forgiven from your heart and do so now. If you forgive, the breeze will become cold. Now keep your left hand towards Me. Bend your head. With your head bent, check with your right hand if you are getting any cool breeze from your fontanelle bone. Now keep your right hand towards Me and once again check with your left hand on top of your head, if you are getting any cool breeze or not. Check again very carefully if you are getting a cool breeze, and if you are getting a hot breeze, then forgive again. As soon as you forgive you will start getting a cool breeze. Now lift both your hands towards the sky and bend your head backwards. Now, look up and ask a question, “Mother, are these vibrations Paramchaitanya?” Ask this three times. “Is this the All-pervading Power of God's Love?" Ask any of these questions three times. Now bring your hands down. Bring them down. Now whoever felt the cool breeze from their heads or from their hands raise both your hands. Whoever felt cool breeze either from the head or hands, lift your hands up. I want to see. My salutations to you saints. Now you all are Self-realized. Your Kundalini has awakened and pierced the Brahmarandhra, because of which you felt the cool breeze. But this is not sufficient. It is also possible that Kundalini has not awakened today in some people who have health problems, or who are wrongdoers. But I request you all to attend the seven-day program which is going to take place here and get rid of all your problems, clear all your doubts and achieve this completely. I hope you will listen to Me and you will completely respect your Self-realization also. And you will respect yourself also and understand that you are special because only you people have got Self-realization in the whole of Calcutta. I bless you to attain depth in Sahaja Yoga, resourcefully.

4/21/1990

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A new jump has to be taken, Talk, Eve Of Easter Puja

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“A New Jump Has To Be Taken”, Evening before Easter puja. Eastbourne (UK), 21 April 1990. Very nice to see you all here for Easter Puja. Very nice! Such a pleasure, such a joy. As if I feel, the resurrection working fast. The year 1990 has come now, as a special year for all of us. Sahaj Yoga is going to spread very fast, no doubt; everywhere, all over the world, I know that. It has to spread. And also I told you that a new jump has to be taken by all the Sahaj Yogis. To explain it we’ll say that Sahaj Yoga is spreading in a horizontal manner, the plane is horizontal, and you are responsible for that work. You are working it out no doubt. Because of you it has spread. Some of you have gone all out to work it out, to spread it to villages, to surrounding places, different countries. Also the events, world events, have helped us a lot and Sahaj Yoga has worked in a very big way. Maybe it will be difficult for us to really balance it out. But when we move horizontally we must also know that we have to move vertically. Otherwise, what will happen is that we’ll lose in quality. Quantity may be quite a lot but we’ll lack in quality. And if the quality goes down then you will see many will fritter away. So we have to look after our vertical ascent which is very important. If I tell you some of the things that have happened in this short time after I left India I’m myself amazed that in geometrical proportions Sahaj Yoga is rising very high. But that should not be [our] complete satisfaction. Individually, also, we have to rise. And every one of you has to rise. Vertical ascent has to be achieved by all of you. Some might have lost a little bit, some might have been a little bit away from themselves. The attention might have frittered away quite a lot. But we have to know why we are here, and then it’s very easy. We are here to be part and parcel of a very great revolution. Can you imagine that we are transforming human beings? It was never possible. En-masse transformation is going to take place. That is how this world is going to change, and you are part and parcel of that. But when you become part and parcel of that you just forget sometimes that we have many things which are trying to pull us down. So, we are happy to see the spread of Sahaj Yoga, but we don’t see vertically what we are losing. And that, I think, is a greater loss. It doesn’t matter if there are two persons less or more, what is important is that we should have very deep Sahaj Yogis, otherwise Sahaj Yoga will fritter away. So many events are going to happen and we are on the stage and we have to cooperate and coordinate and understand. See now, for example, to come here David [Spiro] had a problem. He said, “Mother, it’s just like a tempest, it’s horrible. I was there, a week back.” And he was quite upset about it. And everybody told me about this place. I said, “All right, let’s see!” And yesterday, also, I’m told it was raining, but in Cambridge it was terrible. And I said, “The wind will start, the wind will blow.” And with the wind all the clouds were blown out and there was a clear sky. So the wind has started, in a way, and you can see it but you must have your feet on the ground. And there, what I find, you people don’t realise, sometimes, what an important work you are doing, and in what an important position you are, and what an achievement you are going to have yourself and what a great boon you are going to bestow upon human beings. So, when we come out of family life, for example, we have come to Sahaj Yoga, giving up all these things: giving up all these mundane things, clothes, this, that, house, a car and then family life, relationships, everything. We came here to seek truth and to be one with God. Not that you have to, sort of, take to Sanyasa but given up means you are detached. And you are attached to one principle that you have to achieve godliness within you. But when you come to Sahaj Yoga and have seen the beauty of Sahaj Yoga, then again you want to go back to those useless things then you cannot explain why it happens like that. Like somebody gets married, he gets lost with his wife. He gets a house, he gets lost with the house. He gets a car, he gets lost with the car. He gets a job, he gets lost with the job. He gets a factory, he gets money, he gets lost. So what have you given up? The detachment is not there. When you have known there is no joy in all these things, that’s why you have come to Sahaj Yoga now. Joy is in one thing: is to be connected to the Divine Power. Not to all these things, these are not important. You didn’t come out of hypocrisy or you didn’t come here for any gains of a mean quality. You came for a very precious thing, something of supreme value; giving up all that is so useless. You are among them, you are there, but if you get attached to it again then you lose lots of your energy and mine, too. So, the detachment that you had developed before coming to Sahaj Yoga should be there. But what I find, once they get into Sahaj Yoga, they get a job, “Now I’m busy with my job. I cannot do anything else.” Another will say, “I have a school to attend to.” “I have got my children.” Somebody will say, “It’s my wife…” Then some become very romantic, they fall in love. All kinds of nonsense they do. When you have come in the boat how can you jump back? So, it’s very important to understand that we are Sahaj Yogis. Nothing can attract us, nothing can deter us, nothing can take away our attention, but one thing - that we are here for the emancipation of human beings and that our own character, our own style, our own personality is going to change it. I’ll give an example of that. When I was going to Russia for the second time, in the family they said, “You have been already there, why do you want to go again, after all you have been there and again you want to go for two, three days. And a yoga seminar can be looked after by other people who are there.” I said, “No, I have to go.” And they insisted too much, and I said, “You see, I have a plan that if I go there, there will be lots of people from all these countries which are called as Eastern Bloc and I think I can break it through Sahaj Yogis, if they get their Realisation.” I was just saying that we should get really some remarkable people to come and they gave me only 45 minutes to speak to them. I spoke for about 35 minutes, I should say, or 32 minutes and I then gave them Realisation. Tremendous people, tremendous personality I touched! When I went out they all walked with me, nobody was there in the hall to listen to anybody else, the whole seminar was over. And they gave me their address, they gave me their phone-number, everything. And they were after me and I had no paper or pencil; somebody was writing. And I was very satisfied. I could see clearly in their personality that they are very deep people. As soon as they went back the Paramchaitanya triggered it and you know what happened with the Eastern Bloc. Tremendous people there are, they are tremendous people. Russians are tremendous and these people are tremendous. Very high quality seekers. Same about Hungary. Everybody was saying, “What about Hungary, Mother?” before that. I said, “Let one come from there.” And really one came, quite sick, you know, thinned-out sick person; he got his Realisation and here it is, Hungary is free. Same with Romania. So, what is the difference in quality? That we are supposed to be people from free countries, and those who were in the shackles of communism. I don’t know, but maybe they must have been great people to be born there, perhaps. Because Lenin talked of stateless state and things like that, but I don’t know what to say. But one thing for definite [is] they had no time to waste their attention here and there. No nonsenses of religions, no nonsenses of conditioning, no nonsenses of all kinds of theories, no nonsenses of becoming hippies and no nonsenses of becoming these punks and this and that and all sorts of nonsense. Nothing. Of course, I don’t say that, when I went there, I found people – at least 25 percent who were asking for American Jeans but that’s different – only 25 percent. But the rest of them were just clean plates, absolutely clean plates: very nicely combed their hair with oil and all that, very smart people. No inhibitions of asking me about themselves and nothing of the kind. No hypocrisy, nothing. No fashions. No fashions. Very straightforward, simple, educated, dignified people. Nobody walking with funny gestures or anything, very dignified. They were supposed to be people in the shackles of communism. And one person has written the mathematical calculation of Shri Chakra and he very humbly came to me, sat down, to know all about it. Their humility was, I can’t explain to you. Even to touch the platform with such humility and discipline they came. Whatever it is, whatever the regime must have been to them, or whatever it is [but] they are not abandoned people. There’s a kind of a proper discipline of their mind. The mind is so receptive, so humble. In this so-called freedom, we have lost quite a lot of ourselves I think. First of all, experimenting ourselves with all kinds of nonsense; talking about things that we should not; seeing things in the name of freedom, which we should never see, as human beings. Anything people can do in a free country. And I think, unless and until you have Realisation, freedom has no meaning; because they get abandoned. Completely they abandon all their qualities, all their value systems, everything. So, we come to a point to understand that we have harmed ourselves, we have harmed our attentions. First, one thing, that, in the family system, the parents used to be cruel and funny and this and that. Now you have become Sahaj Yogis, so now you are so much attached to your children that it’s also not good: “This is my child, this is my wife, this is my house.” How can it be, now? Now you have become a free bird. So, today is the Easter Day as we are celebrating today. And at Easter time, one has to remember that now we are free. We are not eggs anymore, inside the shell. We are now birds. We need not carry the yellow of the egg on our head to boast about it. Now finished now! That’s done! It’s no more there. So why should we go and try to become eggs again? What’s the wisdom? And then, another shocking thing that I have seen is this that, we have come out of a sense of dominating others, intimidating others, making fun of others, hating others, all these bad things that we had freedom to do: to talk rudely to others, we have freedom, freedom to hurt. When we have given up all that, then I find that, as Sahaj Yogis people are still doing it. That role is over now. Say now, you were a policeman, but now you have become a priest. I shouldn’t say ‘priest’, but what should I say then? They are equally bad! I should say, now you have become a realised-soul. So now, when you have become the realised-soul, you are the bird, you are the real free bird, which has got wings, which has got eyes, which can fly; which does not have those qualities which you had as eggs. It’s completely transformed. It’s finished. It’s mythical. You cannot become that now. If a bird wants to become an egg it will suffocate and die. This reverse direction is not possible. But why? Why to be in the reverse direction? We should ask [this] question to yourselves. We have to ascend so, in resurrection we have to learn detachment. It’s only mental. I mean, I don’t know, how can a bird be attached to an egg? It could be attached to an egg, thinking, “Oh, how cosy I was, I didn’t have to fly.” Or something like that could be, you see. I mean, only bad things there are to be an egg and to think about an egg. But I don’t know how it can be attached. On the contrary it would abhor that life: “Oh Baba. what I was, where I was!” In the same way we should also feel a kind of glory that we are. But there’s no vanity in it. It’s a pride. It’s an assumption, is acceptance. You are sitting on a throne. Now, you cannot enjoy mud, can you? So, when we reverse back, when our mind goes in a reverse direction, you have to understand that you are slipping out. That is very important. My experience of Australia was rather saddening because I found they had slipped out completely, all of them: absolutely slipped out. The leaders were like jailors and the way they behaved and some of them who joined them and it was like a regime and it was horrible things – hitlerish. So, I had to pull them back again onto the boat. I had to work very hard, very, very hard with them. This is so-called freedom that we have that has ruined them. Another miracle took place that I went out to a place called Cairns, which is a very far-fetched place near the Equator, at the tip of Australia. And they told me that the Great Barrier Reef is very close from here. And there are fishes called as Crown-of-thorns starfishes, and these are eating all those little, little animals that make those beautiful corals there. And that’s why the regeneration has stopped for the [last] ten years. God knows from where they have come, shoals of them and shoals of them. I said, “I would like to go and see this Great Barrier Reef, let’s see.” So, I went down and there was a boat which was to sink half way. And half way we were sitting there, and watching everything. They said, “You’ll see those fishes there.” I saw big, big turtles and I saw beautiful, very beautiful fishes of such variety, such colours very gently passing. But not a single fish, that starfish, not a single one. I said, “Let’s see, let’s see.” So we went round and round, quite a lot. I wanted to see one at least, what sort of a thing it is. We went round the whole thing, not a single thing. And this happened on the 10th, I was there. On the 17th we were travelling: in the plane they announced a miracle has happened that all these fishes have disappeared and some who were there are dying. Can you imagine? (applause) So, what I am trying to tell you that you have those eyes, you have that personality that can trigger all these things. If two, three East German Sahaj Yogis, who got Realisation, can go and trigger and the Berlin Wall can fall down, then with all these Sahaj Yogis I don’t know what should happen! That you have, that power you have. That’s why I say that vertical improvement has to be there, and then let that power act and trigger. You all can trigger it individually and collectively. But vertical programme is less here, vertical understanding is less. Any number of Sahaj Yogis we may have but if they cannot trigger then what’s the use? So, my request is that we have to now pay attention to our vertical movement and to our attention. Same about marriages. I mean, sometimes I feel I don’t know why I married them because they get lost. Imagine! I can’t understand. You marry in Sahaj Yoga, you marry for Sahaj Yoga, you want to have children who are Sahaj Yogis, you want to have realised-souls, you want to support Sahaj Yoga and that’s why you marry and you get lost in marriages! Somebody comes and asks me, “Mother, there’s a very nice job, I can get?” “All right, may God bless you!” The God blesses him [but] he’s lost to Sahaj Yoga, though! So, these temptations are there because we are not detached. So, on this great day I have to tell you that now we have become birds and we don’t want to be eggs again, by any chance. We are not going to go back to that state. And we have to trigger so many things. You all have come to England: the whole England should be triggered. There’s another good news I must give you. I went down to Jaipur. Only one gentleman from Delhi went down to Jaipur to organise. And Jaipur people said, “It’s very difficult here, this and that.” He said, “No, I’ll have the programme in Govindjis Mandir,” where nobody can have programme. “I’ll go and see the maharani.” So, maharani would not meet him, he was insisting, he was sitting there, waiting for her. Ultimately he got a chance. He went talked to her. He showed her my photograph. Immediately she took to me. She asked about Sahaj Yoga, “What is Sahaj Yoga?” Then she said, “Give me Realisation.” She got Realisation, the maharaja got Realisation. They said, “Yes, you can have the programme here.” She said, “I’ll come to the programme.” She came down herself. She fell at my feet in the public, sitting there all the time, her husband sitting there, and somebody offered them some water to drink. They said, “How can I? She is the Goddess, I can’t drink before her!” She sat there. Imagine, she just got her Realisation! What a depth! But that’s not enough. They have one festival called Gangaur that is a thing where they worship Gauri. That’s the biggest festival where the queen, maharani, has to worship the Gangauri. It’s a statue which goes round the whole of Jaipur state and everybody celebrates it. It’s regarded as the biggest festival. So, in the morning she came and touched my feet. And she said, “Mother, can I worship you?” I said, “Why?” “Because You are my Gangaur, really.” That’s just a statue. She made me stand the same way, she did everything, she made me eat betel. I don’t eat all that, but she said “You have to, you are Gangaur, so you have to eat it.” And she worshipped me and her whole rituals she did for about 45 minutes and then she said, “Now I’ll go and worship that statue.” Nobody is allowed to go there, she took me there. She made me sit in a very nice place, like this, decorated. How much she respected me! She is, you see, among all the maharajas, Jaipur is the highest, and that maharani is the highest lady. And they had lots of problems, otherwise. They had lots of problems. Now how this happened? This gentleman got his Realisation in Delhi, I think, three, four years back, he comes from Jaipur, he said, “Mother, we must have something in Jaipur.” I said, “You go this time and try.” A very powerful person. And he went and saw her, he gave her Realisation and gave Realisation to the maharaja. And they had some case of billions and billions of rupees worth of case in the court, which was not decided, and they were on the verge of losing it. But when she got Realisation within eight days that case was decided in their favour. And this she understood is a very good omen. But just from Realisation only, she completely got drenched into Sahaj Yoga. But she triggered. So, when some people say, “Mother I have still this problem”, then this is you are not triggering it. You shouldn’t have any problem. If you have any problem then there is something wrong with you that must be corrected. Not only that you are going to solve your problem but you are going to trigger out in such a manner that you are going to solve the problems of all the people, all the world. Still we have one very big problem of fundamentalism. We don’t have to talk about it, say anything, just go and stand before them and it will work out - it depends on [your depth]. You have to do it. If I could do everything I would not have asked you to come to Sahaj Yoga. But you came on your own, you have got it on your own, and now you have to stand on your own. So I feel that our vertical ascent is still very slow and we still are lost into the web of maya: of falling into a little subtler pattern of our previous lives. Now we are dead to that life, we are a new person, forget it! There are so many things that I can tell you about miracles: for example, we have cured AIDS now. We have cured AIDS, no doubt. The AIDS can be cured through Sahaj Yoga. I mean I have cured it, of course. But I don’t know if you can cure it. You can. You can, if you can trigger it out. But to you [if] other things are more important than Sahaj Yoga and to develop yourself into Sahaj Yoga then you can’t. There was one boy who came in Karnal: 32 years he could never ever speak one word, he could not hear, he could not speak, not a sound from him, his soundbox was dead. And I said two mantras in his ears, he started speaking nicely. It was all out in the newspapers. If I could do it, why not you, people? Just try. I have given you all my powers. They are at your disposal. But there’s one thing: you have to be detached like me. You have to have concern for each other. Complete detachment. Let your attention be taken to us. Still you are worried about this and that – just forget it! You are great, no doubt, but still the limitations you are carrying with you, you better give them up. I hope at this time - the atmosphere is so good. I’m very happy this is happening and they want you to really resurrect: resurrect from the sense of time, sense of aggressiveness, sense of worldly things – mundane, useless rubbish they are – and fly out into the open sky. May God bless you all! Will you all have your dinner. And then we are going to have some music programme. Tomorrow is the puja. I hope this puja should trigger many things. I hope so! May God bless.

“A New Jump Has To Be Taken”, Evening before Easter puja. Eastbourne (UK), 21 April 1990. Very nice to see you all here for Easter Puja. Very nice! Such a pleasure, such a joy. As if I feel, the resurrection working fast. The year 1990 has come now, as a special year for all of us. Sahaj Yoga is going to spread very fast, no doubt; everywhere, all over the world, I know that. It has to spread. And also I told you that a new jump has to be taken by all the Sahaj Yogis. To explain it we’ll say that Sahaj Yoga is spreading in a horizontal manner, the plane is horizontal, and you are responsible for that work. You are working it out no doubt. Because of you it has spread. Some of you have gone all out to work it out, to spread it to villages, to surrounding places, different countries. Also the events, world events, have helped us a lot and Sahaj Yoga has worked in a very big way. Maybe it will be difficult for us to really balance it out. But when we move horizontally we must also know that we have to move vertically. Otherwise, what will happen is that we’ll lose in quality. Quantity may be quite a lot but we’ll lack in quality. And if the quality goes down then you will see many will fritter away. So we have to look after our vertical ascent which is very important. If I tell you some of the things that have happened in this short time after I left India I’m myself amazed that in geometrical proportions Sahaj Yoga is rising very high. But that should not be [our] complete satisfaction. Individually, also, we have to rise. And every one of you has to rise. Vertical ascent has to be achieved by all of you. Some might have lost a little bit, some might have been a little bit away from themselves. The attention might have frittered away quite a lot. But we have to know why we are here, and then it’s very easy. We are here to be part and parcel of a very great revolution. Can you imagine that we are transforming human beings? It was never possible. En-masse transformation is going to take place. That is how this world is going to change, and you are part and parcel of that. But when you become part and parcel of that you just forget sometimes that we have many things which are trying to pull us down. So, we are happy to see the spread of Sahaj Yoga, but we don’t see vertically what we are losing. And that, I think, is a greater loss. It doesn’t matter if there are two persons less or more, what is important is that we should have very deep Sahaj Yogis, otherwise Sahaj Yoga will fritter away. So many events are going to happen and we are on the stage and we have to cooperate and coordinate and understand. See now, for example, to come here David [Spiro] had a problem. He said, “Mother, it’s just like a tempest, it’s horrible. I was there, a week back.” And he was quite upset about it. And everybody told me about this place. I said, “All right, let’s see!” And yesterday, also, I’m told it was raining, but in Cambridge it was terrible. And I said, “The wind will start, the wind will blow.” And with the wind all the clouds were blown out and there was a clear sky. So the wind has started, in a way, and you can see it but you must have your feet on the ground. And there, what I find, you people don’t realise, sometimes, what an important work you are doing, and in what an important position you are, and what an achievement you are going to have yourself and what a great boon you are going to bestow upon human beings. So, when we come out of family life, for example, we have come to Sahaj Yoga, giving up all these things: giving up all these mundane things, clothes, this, that, house, a car and then family life, relationships, everything. We came here to seek truth and to be one with God. Not that you have to, sort of, take to Sanyasa but given up means you are detached. And you are attached to one principle that you have to achieve godliness within you. But when you come to Sahaj Yoga and have seen the beauty of Sahaj Yoga, then again you want to go back to those useless things then you cannot explain why it happens like that. Like somebody gets married, he gets lost with his wife. He gets a house, he gets lost with the house. He gets a car, he gets lost with the car. He gets a job, he gets lost with the job. He gets a factory, he gets money, he gets lost. So what have you given up? The detachment is not there. When you have known there is no joy in all these things, that’s why you have come to Sahaj Yoga now. Joy is in one thing: is to be connected to the Divine Power. Not to all these things, these are not important. You didn’t come out of hypocrisy or you didn’t come here for any gains of a mean quality. You came for a very precious thing, something of supreme value; giving up all that is so useless. You are among them, you are there, but if you get attached to it again then you lose lots of your energy and mine, too. So, the detachment that you had developed before coming to Sahaj Yoga should be there. But what I find, once they get into Sahaj Yoga, they get a job, “Now I’m busy with my job. I cannot do anything else.” Another will say, “I have a school to attend to.” “I have got my children.” Somebody will say, “It’s my wife…” Then some become very romantic, they fall in love. All kinds of nonsense they do. When you have come in the boat how can you jump back? So, it’s very important to understand that we are Sahaj Yogis. Nothing can attract us, nothing can deter us, nothing can take away our attention, but one thing - that we are here for the emancipation of human beings and that our own character, our own style, our own personality is going to change it. I’ll give an example of that. When I was going to Russia for the second time, in the family they said, “You have been already there, why do you want to go again, after all you have been there and again you want to go for two, three days. And a yoga seminar can be looked after by other people who are there.” I said, “No, I have to go.” And they insisted too much, and I said, “You see, I have a plan that if I go there, there will be lots of people from all these countries which are called as Eastern Bloc and I think I can break it through Sahaj Yogis, if they get their Realisation.” I was just saying that we should get really some remarkable people to come and they gave me only 45 minutes to speak to them. I spoke for about 35 minutes, I should say, or 32 minutes and I then gave them Realisation. Tremendous people, tremendous personality I touched! When I went out they all walked with me, nobody was there in the hall to listen to anybody else, the whole seminar was over. And they gave me their address, they gave me their phone-number, everything. And they were after me and I had no paper or pencil; somebody was writing. And I was very satisfied. I could see clearly in their personality that they are very deep people. As soon as they went back the Paramchaitanya triggered it and you know what happened with the Eastern Bloc. Tremendous people there are, they are tremendous people. Russians are tremendous and these people are tremendous. Very high quality seekers. Same about Hungary. Everybody was saying, “What about Hungary, Mother?” before that. I said, “Let one come from there.” And really one came, quite sick, you know, thinned-out sick person; he got his Realisation and here it is, Hungary is free. Same with Romania. So, what is the difference in quality? That we are supposed to be people from free countries, and those who were in the shackles of communism. I don’t know, but maybe they must have been great people to be born there, perhaps. Because Lenin talked of stateless state and things like that, but I don’t know what to say. But one thing for definite [is] they had no time to waste their attention here and there. No nonsenses of religions, no nonsenses of conditioning, no nonsenses of all kinds of theories, no nonsenses of becoming hippies and no nonsenses of becoming these punks and this and that and all sorts of nonsense. Nothing. Of course, I don’t say that, when I went there, I found people – at least 25 percent who were asking for American Jeans but that’s different – only 25 percent. But the rest of them were just clean plates, absolutely clean plates: very nicely combed their hair with oil and all that, very smart people. No inhibitions of asking me about themselves and nothing of the kind. No hypocrisy, nothing. No fashions. No fashions. Very straightforward, simple, educated, dignified people. Nobody walking with funny gestures or anything, very dignified. They were supposed to be people in the shackles of communism. And one person has written the mathematical calculation of Shri Chakra and he very humbly came to me, sat down, to know all about it. Their humility was, I can’t explain to you. Even to touch the platform with such humility and discipline they came. Whatever it is, whatever the regime must have been to them, or whatever it is [but] they are not abandoned people. There’s a kind of a proper discipline of their mind. The mind is so receptive, so humble. In this so-called freedom, we have lost quite a lot of ourselves I think. First of all, experimenting ourselves with all kinds of nonsense; talking about things that we should not; seeing things in the name of freedom, which we should never see, as human beings. Anything people can do in a free country. And I think, unless and until you have Realisation, freedom has no meaning; because they get abandoned. Completely they abandon all their qualities, all their value systems, everything. So, we come to a point to understand that we have harmed ourselves, we have harmed our attentions. First, one thing, that, in the family system, the parents used to be cruel and funny and this and that. Now you have become Sahaj Yogis, so now you are so much attached to your children that it’s also not good: “This is my child, this is my wife, this is my house.” How can it be, now? Now you have become a free bird. So, today is the Easter Day as we are celebrating today. And at Easter time, one has to remember that now we are free. We are not eggs anymore, inside the shell. We are now birds. We need not carry the yellow of the egg on our head to boast about it. Now finished now! That’s done! It’s no more there. So why should we go and try to become eggs again? What’s the wisdom? And then, another shocking thing that I have seen is this that, we have come out of a sense of dominating others, intimidating others, making fun of others, hating others, all these bad things that we had freedom to do: to talk rudely to others, we have freedom, freedom to hurt. When we have given up all that, then I find that, as Sahaj Yogis people are still doing it. That role is over now. Say now, you were a policeman, but now you have become a priest. I shouldn’t say ‘priest’, but what should I say then? They are equally bad! I should say, now you have become a realised-soul. So now, when you have become the realised-soul, you are the bird, you are the real free bird, which has got wings, which has got eyes, which can fly; which does not have those qualities which you had as eggs. It’s completely transformed. It’s finished. It’s mythical. You cannot become that now. If a bird wants to become an egg it will suffocate and die. This reverse direction is not possible. But why? Why to be in the reverse direction? We should ask [this] question to yourselves. We have to ascend so, in resurrection we have to learn detachment. It’s only mental. I mean, I don’t know, how can a bird be attached to an egg? It could be attached to an egg, thinking, “Oh, how cosy I was, I didn’t have to fly.” Or something like that could be, you see. I mean, only bad things there are to be an egg and to think about an egg. But I don’t know how it can be attached. On the contrary it would abhor that life: “Oh Baba. what I was, where I was!” In the same way we should also feel a kind of glory that we are. But there’s no vanity in it. It’s a pride. It’s an assumption, is acceptance. You are sitting on a throne. Now, you cannot enjoy mud, can you? So, when we reverse back, when our mind goes in a reverse direction, you have to understand that you are slipping out. That is very important. My experience of Australia was rather saddening because I found they had slipped out completely, all of them: absolutely slipped out. The leaders were like jailors and the way they behaved and some of them who joined them and it was like a regime and it was horrible things – hitlerish. So, I had to pull them back again onto the boat. I had to work very hard, very, very hard with them. This is so-called freedom that we have that has ruined them. Another miracle took place that I went out to a place called Cairns, which is a very far-fetched place near the Equator, at the tip of Australia. And they told me that the Great Barrier Reef is very close from here. And there are fishes called as Crown-of-thorns starfishes, and these are eating all those little, little animals that make those beautiful corals there. And that’s why the regeneration has stopped for the [last] ten years. God knows from where they have come, shoals of them and shoals of them. I said, “I would like to go and see this Great Barrier Reef, let’s see.” So, I went down and there was a boat which was to sink half way. And half way we were sitting there, and watching everything. They said, “You’ll see those fishes there.” I saw big, big turtles and I saw beautiful, very beautiful fishes of such variety, such colours very gently passing. But not a single fish, that starfish, not a single one. I said, “Let’s see, let’s see.” So we went round and round, quite a lot. I wanted to see one at least, what sort of a thing it is. We went round the whole thing, not a single thing. And this happened on the 10th, I was there. On the 17th we were travelling: in the plane they announced a miracle has happened that all these fishes have disappeared and some who were there are dying. Can you imagine? (applause) So, what I am trying to tell you that you have those eyes, you have that personality that can trigger all these things. If two, three East German Sahaj Yogis, who got Realisation, can go and trigger and the Berlin Wall can fall down, then with all these Sahaj Yogis I don’t know what should happen! That you have, that power you have. That’s why I say that vertical improvement has to be there, and then let that power act and trigger. You all can trigger it individually and collectively. But vertical programme is less here, vertical understanding is less. Any number of Sahaj Yogis we may have but if they cannot trigger then what’s the use? So, my request is that we have to now pay attention to our vertical movement and to our attention. Same about marriages. I mean, sometimes I feel I don’t know why I married them because they get lost. Imagine! I can’t understand. You marry in Sahaj Yoga, you marry for Sahaj Yoga, you want to have children who are Sahaj Yogis, you want to have realised-souls, you want to support Sahaj Yoga and that’s why you marry and you get lost in marriages! Somebody comes and asks me, “Mother, there’s a very nice job, I can get?” “All right, may God bless you!” The God blesses him [but] he’s lost to Sahaj Yoga, though! So, these temptations are there because we are not detached. So, on this great day I have to tell you that now we have become birds and we don’t want to be eggs again, by any chance. We are not going to go back to that state. And we have to trigger so many things. You all have come to England: the whole England should be triggered. There’s another good news I must give you. I went down to Jaipur. Only one gentleman from Delhi went down to Jaipur to organise. And Jaipur people said, “It’s very difficult here, this and that.” He said, “No, I’ll have the programme in Govindjis Mandir,” where nobody can have programme. “I’ll go and see the maharani.” So, maharani would not meet him, he was insisting, he was sitting there, waiting for her. Ultimately he got a chance. He went talked to her. He showed her my photograph. Immediately she took to me. She asked about Sahaj Yoga, “What is Sahaj Yoga?” Then she said, “Give me Realisation.” She got Realisation, the maharaja got Realisation. They said, “Yes, you can have the programme here.” She said, “I’ll come to the programme.” She came down herself. She fell at my feet in the public, sitting there all the time, her husband sitting there, and somebody offered them some water to drink. They said, “How can I? She is the Goddess, I can’t drink before her!” She sat there. Imagine, she just got her Realisation! What a depth! But that’s not enough. They have one festival called Gangaur that is a thing where they worship Gauri. That’s the biggest festival where the queen, maharani, has to worship the Gangauri. It’s a statue which goes round the whole of Jaipur state and everybody celebrates it. It’s regarded as the biggest festival. So, in the morning she came and touched my feet. And she said, “Mother, can I worship you?” I said, “Why?” “Because You are my Gangaur, really.” That’s just a statue. She made me stand the same way, she did everything, she made me eat betel. I don’t eat all that, but she said “You have to, you are Gangaur, so you have to eat it.” And she worshipped me and her whole rituals she did for about 45 minutes and then she said, “Now I’ll go and worship that statue.” Nobody is allowed to go there, she took me there. She made me sit in a very nice place, like this, decorated. How much she respected me! She is, you see, among all the maharajas, Jaipur is the highest, and that maharani is the highest lady. And they had lots of problems, otherwise. They had lots of problems. Now how this happened? This gentleman got his Realisation in Delhi, I think, three, four years back, he comes from Jaipur, he said, “Mother, we must have something in Jaipur.” I said, “You go this time and try.” A very powerful person. And he went and saw her, he gave her Realisation and gave Realisation to the maharaja. And they had some case of billions and billions of rupees worth of case in the court, which was not decided, and they were on the verge of losing it. But when she got Realisation within eight days that case was decided in their favour. And this she understood is a very good omen. But just from Realisation only, she completely got drenched into Sahaj Yoga. But she triggered. So, when some people say, “Mother I have still this problem”, then this is you are not triggering it. You shouldn’t have any problem. If you have any problem then there is something wrong with you that must be corrected. Not only that you are going to solve your problem but you are going to trigger out in such a manner that you are going to solve the problems of all the people, all the world. Still we have one very big problem of fundamentalism. We don’t have to talk about it, say anything, just go and stand before them and it will work out - it depends on [your depth]. You have to do it. If I could do everything I would not have asked you to come to Sahaj Yoga. But you came on your own, you have got it on your own, and now you have to stand on your own. So I feel that our vertical ascent is still very slow and we still are lost into the web of maya: of falling into a little subtler pattern of our previous lives. Now we are dead to that life, we are a new person, forget it! There are so many things that I can tell you about miracles: for example, we have cured AIDS now. We have cured AIDS, no doubt. The AIDS can be cured through Sahaj Yoga. I mean I have cured it, of course. But I don’t know if you can cure it. You can. You can, if you can trigger it out. But to you [if] other things are more important than Sahaj Yoga and to develop yourself into Sahaj Yoga then you can’t. There was one boy who came in Karnal: 32 years he could never ever speak one word, he could not hear, he could not speak, not a sound from him, his soundbox was dead. And I said two mantras in his ears, he started speaking nicely. It was all out in the newspapers. If I could do it, why not you, people? Just try. I have given you all my powers. They are at your disposal. But there’s one thing: you have to be detached like me. You have to have concern for each other. Complete detachment. Let your attention be taken to us. Still you are worried about this and that – just forget it! You are great, no doubt, but still the limitations you are carrying with you, you better give them up. I hope at this time - the atmosphere is so good. I’m very happy this is happening and they want you to really resurrect: resurrect from the sense of time, sense of aggressiveness, sense of worldly things – mundane, useless rubbish they are – and fly out into the open sky. May God bless you all! Will you all have your dinner. And then we are going to have some music programme. Tomorrow is the puja. I hope this puja should trigger many things. I hope so! May God bless.

4/22/1990

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Easter Puja: You Have To Grow Vertically

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“You have to grow vertically,” Easter Puja, Eastbourne (UK), 22 April 1990. Today we are here to worship the resurrection of Christ; and also to thank Him for giving us an ideal life of a saint who has to work for the benevolence of the whole world. We talk of Christ, we sing of Shri Ganesha, we say we believe in Him, specially Sahaj Yogis feel He is the eldest brother that they have. And a tremendous surrender I find, among Western Sahaj Yogis specially, for Christ; because they were born in Christian religion perhaps, maybe; or maybe that they found Christ’s life a very special one. But to Sahaj Yoga He has to be much more than that, and to you Sahaj Yogis. Many people believe in many deities. Like some believe in Shri Krishna, some in Shri Rama, some in Buddha, some in Mahavira and some in Christ; all over the world, they do believe in some higher being. But this belief is without the connection, to begin with, and becomes a kind of a falsehood that they think that Christ belongs to them, Rama belongs to them or Shri Krishna belongs to them, that they are the possessors of all these deities because they have obliged of believing into it. And that is how most of the faiths have come. And, though they ardently believe in Christ, all these faiths have failed because when they believed in Christ, they believed that, through Christ, they can get their cheques cashed: it was like a bank. You pray to God: “You get me all right.” “All right.” Then: “Get my mother all right,” “my father all right,” “my sister all right.” “Get me so much money!” “Get me so much wealth!” or health or anything; thinking that because we believe in Christ He’s so obliged that He has to pay for it and He has to look after us and that we are rightful possessors of His blessings. Then they form churches, temples, mosques, clubs believing that, “Now we belong to Christ!” “All this group is a very special chosen one!” or, “We belong to Rama,” or to Krishna or to someone like that. And to whomsoever they may ‘belong,’ the one to whom they belong, does not know anything about them! Christ has said, “You’ll be calling me, ‘Christ, Christ,’ I won’t recognise you!” It’s a big warning to people who say, “We believe in Christ.” So, without the connection, if you believe in someone, it has no meaning: it’s just like some sort of a mythical, romantic idea that the other person whom you believe in has a special relationship with you. So this assurance that, “I believe into something,” or this assumption that, “I believe into something, and because I believe into something, I have every right to get all the blessings that I ask for,” is a myth, as you must have realised after Sahaj Yoga. But when you become a Sahaj Yogi, then you have got your connection with all of them and with Christ. But this connection again, in a subtle way, is the same style. For example, what we try to do is to ask again that this should be done, that should be done: “my Agnya is caught up. Mother, please clear it out!” or “I’ve got headache so please put it right!” Because you believe in Sahaj Yoga, you expect Sahaj Yoga to feel obliged that, “See now, they believe in me, it’s such a great obligation!” “So Sahaj Yoga must do something for me!” Whether you do anything for Sahaj Yoga is not important. Only because you believe in Sahaj Yoga, because Sahaj Yoga has given you Realisation, so Sahaj Yoga has every obligation that it should look after you, “I am in Sahaj Yoga still, why should I suffer? I am in Sahaj Yoga, why is my mother be all right?” “I am in Sahaj Yoga…” as if [it’s] sort of an organisation where you have paid money or something and you are supposed to get all the rewards. But now, let us see, after Sahaj Yoga, what should be our attitude which is sane? The first is that, “Now I’m a Sahaj Yogi and now I’m connected to Christ: so what is my responsibility?” Christ felt responsible for the whole world! He’s described in the Devi Purana as the support of the whole universe. As soon as you are connected with Christ, the whole attitude has to change. So to be connected with Christ means what are the qualities of Christ you have imbibed in yourself? That’s the minimum of minimum. What did you get out of His life? Is it that He has cured people, all right, so you should get cured? He gave eyes to people, so you must get your eyes back? Shri Mataji: Do you mind removing this [incense] for me? (Mother doesn’t like the incense smoke.) Or is it that His life, which you have enshrined, should also make you something that could be enshrined, that could be respected, that could be called as a reflection of Christ’s life? Now let us see His life, what kind of a life He led. We read Bible, I mean we carry Bible everywhere and even I saw the Bible in the hotel as if it’s a part of the thing, like a soap is kept and Bible is! Of course, I read it: I don’t know how many read it. But then it doesn’t become to say you are a Sahaj Yogi, if through His connection you have not received any one of His qualities. For example, this is now connected to the mains, so you are getting electricity through it. This [microphone] doesn’t give electricity to the mains, but it receives. So you have to receive something from Him and what you have to receive is the qualities that He had. You might say, “Because, Mother, He was Divine, He was the son of God.” But He was also a son of His Mother and you are also son of your Mother. So mediocrity in our character cannot say that we are connected with Christ because there’s no energy of Christ flowing in you. When energy of Christ flows through you, you express it. Like yesterday the gentleman was playing (Nishat Khan was playing sitar) and I think the power of Saraswati started flowing in him and how beautiful he played! He couldn’t control his fingers. He said, “It’s all happening here: I don’t know how!” So throughout, if you see His life, He was a person who was all the time bothered about the benevolence of the world. How clearly He went and talked to the priests and told them that, “You don’t understand me because you are blind.” He told them that He knows His Father and His Father knows Him, “But you do not know me, nor you know your Father.” So openly, blatantly, He was talking. He was not afraid that He will go to jail. He was not afraid that, by saying such a thing, the ego of others will be challenged; because He was not pretentious. He was not doing something that was not truthful. He was telling the truth and truth has that capacity to express itself through your personality. But do we really believe in ourselves? Do we really believe that we are Sahaj Yogis, that we can talk to people as Christ could talk to them? At a very young age of twelve years, He could go and talk to the priests — what courage! There was no need for Him. He should have really got married like Sahaj Yogis do and settled down with His wife and children nicely; because the main headache for the Sahaj Yogis seems to be the marriage and their children! He never married. He was so precious that He didn’t want to waste His time with these things. And He died so young: He knew that He had to die. So in His life, you see He was not a mundane type of a personality, not mundane, not ordinary. And when He spoke with such confidence, with such knowledge of truth that people did believe Him, had to believe. They couldn’t help it. This power you too have, and you can do the same. But the way He used His power, why can’t we use? Because we are not intense about it. Our attention is on something else, which is quite frivolous, which is useless. All right, we are Sahaj Yogis, so what do we think about? First thing we’ll think, “Now, today’s a puja, what should I wear?” Then, “I haven’t yet pressed my clothes,” or, “my sari’s not all right. I have to match it,” and, “How to dress up.” All these frivolous things first come to our house, our brain. Or in the morning, when you get up in your ashrams or anywhere, what do you think? If it was Christ, He would say, “I am sleeping still? I have to meditate! I have to be one with the Divine!” He would not say, “No, no, the Divine will look after, it’s all right. The Divine will meditate for me!” “After all, Paramchaitanya, it has to meditate. Why should we meditate? We are all Sahaj Yogis.” “Everything is sahaj, so let the Divine meditate for us!” “We can’t get up in the morning. It’s difficult. We can’t, you see, just can’t.” But then you can’t be a Sahaj Yogi! You are supposed to be connected with all the deities, not only Christ, and here you can’t even get out of your bed to meditate; while all the deities are already up there, waiting for you to get up, that’s all. And they can’t understand what’s happening to these Sahaj Yogis. “How can they be so low? After all, Mother must have given them Realisation thinking them to be something great. How did they get Realisation? They’re so ordinary, so mundane, so useless!” The deities start wondering, “Why Mother gave them Realisation?” Because a person who cannot enjoy his meditation cannot be a Sahaj Yogi. That’s the first sign of a Sahaj Yogi: that he looks forward to that time when he can meditate. That is the time that you are really in connection with the Divine and you enjoy the most, and whenever I get a chance, I go into it. I find it so difficult to come out of it! I mean, for today it happened to me, I was first thinking that I will have to struggle out for this puja. I’ll have to work it out. I don’t know how I will get out of this meditative mood. But it surprises so many people, how people are meditating. Especially so many Indians told me this thing; it’s something very surprising: that they are supposed to be meditating and immediately they get up, “What cakes? What things? What have you cooked?” this, that. There’s no slumber of meditation in them and, just, they just start thinking about food. How can that be? It’s the way you cannot get out of your sleep, in the same way a Sahaj Yogi cannot get out of his meditative mood: it’s so enjoyable. You want to be there. So one of the signs that you are not yet anywhere near Sahaj Yoga is that if you cannot enjoy your meditation. I mean, imagine if you enjoy a television show or anything, you have to see it, isn’t it? You cannot just say, “All right, I’m sleeping now and I am enjoying the television.” So you have to be awakened to it. But that awakening is within; and there you see your own connection. It’s a joy that I cannot describe really: there’s only one word for that, is nirananda, means it’s just, ‘Nira’ means ‘only the joy’; ‘absolute joy’. And who would like to give up the joy for what? For a cake or for a tea or this thing? I mean, just think of it! The joy is so deep, so intense, so beautiful. I don’t know what else to say. You have not tasted the ambrosia, otherwise you would have said, [it’s] as if the ambrosia is trickling down on your tongue. It’s like that, the taste of it. But what I find [is] that the depth we have not touched; which is within us. All of you have that depth, that not that you don’t have. I have not given you Realisation because you are just there, here [but] because you have that depth within you. You are special people with that depth. But you haven’t touched it. It shows you haven’t touched it. Supposing it’s like a well full of water, but you are still dangling somewhere in the middle, you haven’t yet touched that depth. Because once you get into that, you get completely drenched and lost. But if that is not the situation, that shows that you are still somewhere dangling in between and any time you can come high and dry. So you have to judge yourself. This is the time for you to judge [if] you are in connection with Christ. He achieved His resurrection, by which we have to achieve our resurrection. But what have we done to achieve that resurrection which He has achieved? He intensely lived a life of complete sacrifice and complete concentration towards one goal: that He has to achieve the resurrection. Nothing else was important to Him. All that attention was on one thing that, “I have to achieve this resurrection. I have to get crucified and I have to be resurrected because the whole world has to be resurrected.” But Sahaj Yogis, I don’t know how many think that way, how many think that dedication is needed. And the best part of it [is] that it’s so joy-giving. Every step you move forward, it’s so joy-giving. This sinking in that well is so very joy-giving. It’s not painful. You don’t have to crucify yourself, you don’t have to carry the cross. He’s done it for you. So what do you sacrifice? Is your laziness! When it comes to the satisfaction of ego, people are overactive. They are like bullets then. And when it is the satisfaction of their physical comfort, they become – I don’t know. We had one rakshasa called Kumbhakarna, who used to sleep for six months and used to be awake six months. But here I see people sleep for twelve months, so what do you call them? Then they say, “Mother, we can’t keep awake!” Why? Because you are not meditating, you are not one with Christ. Then His agnya, He controls. With that Agnya, you cannot sleep. If His blessings are there on the Agnya, you cannot sleep. You won’t believe with the slightest light, artificial light specially, I can’t sleep; because still Christ is awake and I have to be awake. So you have to be awakened to this fact that we are Sahaj Yogis. We have a special responsibility as our connection with Christ is; our main responsibility is, all the time, intensely, to think, “What we can do for the betterment of human beings? And what are we doing about it?” First I used to say, “Count your blessings,” because that was the best way to make people understand that there are blessings in Sahaj Yoga. Now I would say, “Count your deeds.” What have you done for Sahaj Yoga? Sahaj Yoga has done so much for you. To say that Paramchaitanya will look after you is absolutely absurd! If Paramchaitanya could do everything why should it create human beings? One Adam and Eve were sufficient. You have to do it. Unless and until you become deep, it cannot trigger, it is helpless. It’s only through you it is going to work out. Now if there is no instrument, electricity cannot work, can it? Now you should say, “The electricity itself must come before me and must do everything!” You have to have the instrument and you are the instrument and if you do not want to do it, how can Paramchaitanya do it? It will be something like saying, as I told you, that, “Let electricity do the job, we’ll not have any instrument.” Can I work it out? Can you work it out? So Paramchaitanya has its own style. It can only work if you people want to work it out. It’s an energy, and you are the instrument. But the instrument is more busy with the job, with the family, I don't know, all kinds of nonsensical things. Now supposing this instrument (microphone), which is meant for my lecture, forgets what it is and acts like a ladle in the kitchen because it’s fond of food, say, for example: then what’s the use of making this useless instrument? It doesn’t do what it has to do. It doesn’t know what it has been made for. It has no purpose at all. It’s such a useless stuff. So I feel there’s a kind of a lethargy, a kind of a very subtle lethargy working out, like this that, “We’ve done our job. Let the young people do it now!” You are matured, and the matured have to do the job. “We have done our level best!” What have you done so far? So much to be done still. And somehow or other we have to touch that area where such people remain like the yesterday’s [sitar] player. He is not doing God’s work. He’s an artist and he’s working so hard to achieve perfection. He will get the same amount whether he’s perfect or not, but he’s practising at home, he’s listening to it, he’s trying to develop it; all the time working it out so that his performance should be excellent. So he’s seeking an excellence. Mediocrity has no place in Sahaj Yoga. Only through excellence you’ll enjoy. Only through excellence you will really become Sahaj Yogis. Otherwise, you could be a headache to me and to yourself; you would be a headache to Sahaj Yogis. A most non-progressive, destructive element a person is who is not alert. You have to be aware, aware of your responsibilities. So far I have been saying that still the preparation is on: they have to correct themselves, they have to clear out themselves, they have to work it out; still their conditionings, this ego. But now, twenty years have passed and beware! Be aware that twenty-first year is going to be a very big jump. I’m warning you again and again and again and again. And you have to work very hard to develop yourself vertically in balance with your horizontal growth. It’s not my lecture for entertainment or anything, but should go to your heart, to your brain, to your being as this is very important. And you are not going to waste it. All the time you have to think that you are a Sahaj Yogi and you have to know what you have to do in Sahaj Yoga and how to achieve it. You should not be satisfied unless and until you have achieved that excellence. That’s the very important, crucial point today [that] I wanted to tell you because today is Easter Day which was a very crucial point for the development or the growth of the Spirit, because Sahasrara we could never have achieved if Agnya was blocked. Christ could have said, “All right, let Paramchaitanya do it! Let Paramchaitanya get itself hanged. Why should I do it?” But He had to do it and He was the instrument and He’s done it. So Sahaj Yoga is not only for exploiters — if you try just to exploit Sahaj Yoga, you’ll be exploited too — but is for the exploitation of joy. But that’s only possible if you grow, you touch your depth. If you are not deep enough, you’ll hang in the air, as I said. And that has to be worked out, that has to be found out: how best you can do it, how much you can reach people; how many people you have given Realisation, how many people you’re going to help improve their health, their mental conditions and then how much you are going to talk about Sahaj Yoga. So that is going to work out what I call the collective ascent of human beings. May God bless you! To be in connection with Christ is to be enjoying your meditation. All right. So, puja is another thing which, I know, it helps you a lot; it gives you a definite push, I should say, but you don’t retain it. You don’t retain it. Then what’s the use? So also you have to retain, should have power to retain. That’s only possible if you have touched your depths, which you have. I am so happy to come back to you all. I missed you all very much. I’m travelling and working very hard. I don’t know if I work hard. I don’t think about it, never. So once you know that this is what you have to be, then you don’t work , it just works. Then you don’t think you are working. This is a subtle point you have to understand: that everything works out and you work in a way and it works out, but you don’t work. Like the Sun shines: if you ask the Sun, “Poor Sun, you have to work so hard!” He said, “When? When was that?” So you say, “You have to rise in the morning, then you have to…”. “No, no, no, no, no! I was just with myself, nothing else. I was with myself, I was enjoying myself. When did I work?” As long as you are with yourself there is no question of getting bored or no question of you getting tired, nothing: you are with yourself, finished! But unless and until that happens within you then these problems do come up. And so please, please again I would say, value your Self-realisation, value your Realisation, value your life. You all are very precious people and you are the ones who are chosen. I hope all of you come to Sahasrar day after a very intensive meditative time. Otherwise suddenly I’ll find people who are doing Sahasrar puja with their all Sahasraras caught up. May God bless you!

“You have to grow vertically,” Easter Puja, Eastbourne (UK), 22 April 1990. Today we are here to worship the resurrection of Christ; and also to thank Him for giving us an ideal life of a saint who has to work for the benevolence of the whole world. We talk of Christ, we sing of Shri Ganesha, we say we believe in Him, specially Sahaj Yogis feel He is the eldest brother that they have. And a tremendous surrender I find, among Western Sahaj Yogis specially, for Christ; because they were born in Christian religion perhaps, maybe; or maybe that they found Christ’s life a very special one. But to Sahaj Yoga He has to be much more than that, and to you Sahaj Yogis. Many people believe in many deities. Like some believe in Shri Krishna, some in Shri Rama, some in Buddha, some in Mahavira and some in Christ; all over the world, they do believe in some higher being. But this belief is without the connection, to begin with, and becomes a kind of a falsehood that they think that Christ belongs to them, Rama belongs to them or Shri Krishna belongs to them, that they are the possessors of all these deities because they have obliged of believing into it. And that is how most of the faiths have come. And, though they ardently believe in Christ, all these faiths have failed because when they believed in Christ, they believed that, through Christ, they can get their cheques cashed: it was like a bank. You pray to God: “You get me all right.” “All right.” Then: “Get my mother all right,” “my father all right,” “my sister all right.” “Get me so much money!” “Get me so much wealth!” or health or anything; thinking that because we believe in Christ He’s so obliged that He has to pay for it and He has to look after us and that we are rightful possessors of His blessings. Then they form churches, temples, mosques, clubs believing that, “Now we belong to Christ!” “All this group is a very special chosen one!” or, “We belong to Rama,” or to Krishna or to someone like that. And to whomsoever they may ‘belong,’ the one to whom they belong, does not know anything about them! Christ has said, “You’ll be calling me, ‘Christ, Christ,’ I won’t recognise you!” It’s a big warning to people who say, “We believe in Christ.” So, without the connection, if you believe in someone, it has no meaning: it’s just like some sort of a mythical, romantic idea that the other person whom you believe in has a special relationship with you. So this assurance that, “I believe into something,” or this assumption that, “I believe into something, and because I believe into something, I have every right to get all the blessings that I ask for,” is a myth, as you must have realised after Sahaj Yoga. But when you become a Sahaj Yogi, then you have got your connection with all of them and with Christ. But this connection again, in a subtle way, is the same style. For example, what we try to do is to ask again that this should be done, that should be done: “my Agnya is caught up. Mother, please clear it out!” or “I’ve got headache so please put it right!” Because you believe in Sahaj Yoga, you expect Sahaj Yoga to feel obliged that, “See now, they believe in me, it’s such a great obligation!” “So Sahaj Yoga must do something for me!” Whether you do anything for Sahaj Yoga is not important. Only because you believe in Sahaj Yoga, because Sahaj Yoga has given you Realisation, so Sahaj Yoga has every obligation that it should look after you, “I am in Sahaj Yoga still, why should I suffer? I am in Sahaj Yoga, why is my mother be all right?” “I am in Sahaj Yoga…” as if [it’s] sort of an organisation where you have paid money or something and you are supposed to get all the rewards. But now, let us see, after Sahaj Yoga, what should be our attitude which is sane? The first is that, “Now I’m a Sahaj Yogi and now I’m connected to Christ: so what is my responsibility?” Christ felt responsible for the whole world! He’s described in the Devi Purana as the support of the whole universe. As soon as you are connected with Christ, the whole attitude has to change. So to be connected with Christ means what are the qualities of Christ you have imbibed in yourself? That’s the minimum of minimum. What did you get out of His life? Is it that He has cured people, all right, so you should get cured? He gave eyes to people, so you must get your eyes back? Shri Mataji: Do you mind removing this [incense] for me? (Mother doesn’t like the incense smoke.) Or is it that His life, which you have enshrined, should also make you something that could be enshrined, that could be respected, that could be called as a reflection of Christ’s life? Now let us see His life, what kind of a life He led. We read Bible, I mean we carry Bible everywhere and even I saw the Bible in the hotel as if it’s a part of the thing, like a soap is kept and Bible is! Of course, I read it: I don’t know how many read it. But then it doesn’t become to say you are a Sahaj Yogi, if through His connection you have not received any one of His qualities. For example, this is now connected to the mains, so you are getting electricity through it. This [microphone] doesn’t give electricity to the mains, but it receives. So you have to receive something from Him and what you have to receive is the qualities that He had. You might say, “Because, Mother, He was Divine, He was the son of God.” But He was also a son of His Mother and you are also son of your Mother. So mediocrity in our character cannot say that we are connected with Christ because there’s no energy of Christ flowing in you. When energy of Christ flows through you, you express it. Like yesterday the gentleman was playing (Nishat Khan was playing sitar) and I think the power of Saraswati started flowing in him and how beautiful he played! He couldn’t control his fingers. He said, “It’s all happening here: I don’t know how!” So throughout, if you see His life, He was a person who was all the time bothered about the benevolence of the world. How clearly He went and talked to the priests and told them that, “You don’t understand me because you are blind.” He told them that He knows His Father and His Father knows Him, “But you do not know me, nor you know your Father.” So openly, blatantly, He was talking. He was not afraid that He will go to jail. He was not afraid that, by saying such a thing, the ego of others will be challenged; because He was not pretentious. He was not doing something that was not truthful. He was telling the truth and truth has that capacity to express itself through your personality. But do we really believe in ourselves? Do we really believe that we are Sahaj Yogis, that we can talk to people as Christ could talk to them? At a very young age of twelve years, He could go and talk to the priests — what courage! There was no need for Him. He should have really got married like Sahaj Yogis do and settled down with His wife and children nicely; because the main headache for the Sahaj Yogis seems to be the marriage and their children! He never married. He was so precious that He didn’t want to waste His time with these things. And He died so young: He knew that He had to die. So in His life, you see He was not a mundane type of a personality, not mundane, not ordinary. And when He spoke with such confidence, with such knowledge of truth that people did believe Him, had to believe. They couldn’t help it. This power you too have, and you can do the same. But the way He used His power, why can’t we use? Because we are not intense about it. Our attention is on something else, which is quite frivolous, which is useless. All right, we are Sahaj Yogis, so what do we think about? First thing we’ll think, “Now, today’s a puja, what should I wear?” Then, “I haven’t yet pressed my clothes,” or, “my sari’s not all right. I have to match it,” and, “How to dress up.” All these frivolous things first come to our house, our brain. Or in the morning, when you get up in your ashrams or anywhere, what do you think? If it was Christ, He would say, “I am sleeping still? I have to meditate! I have to be one with the Divine!” He would not say, “No, no, the Divine will look after, it’s all right. The Divine will meditate for me!” “After all, Paramchaitanya, it has to meditate. Why should we meditate? We are all Sahaj Yogis.” “Everything is sahaj, so let the Divine meditate for us!” “We can’t get up in the morning. It’s difficult. We can’t, you see, just can’t.” But then you can’t be a Sahaj Yogi! You are supposed to be connected with all the deities, not only Christ, and here you can’t even get out of your bed to meditate; while all the deities are already up there, waiting for you to get up, that’s all. And they can’t understand what’s happening to these Sahaj Yogis. “How can they be so low? After all, Mother must have given them Realisation thinking them to be something great. How did they get Realisation? They’re so ordinary, so mundane, so useless!” The deities start wondering, “Why Mother gave them Realisation?” Because a person who cannot enjoy his meditation cannot be a Sahaj Yogi. That’s the first sign of a Sahaj Yogi: that he looks forward to that time when he can meditate. That is the time that you are really in connection with the Divine and you enjoy the most, and whenever I get a chance, I go into it. I find it so difficult to come out of it! I mean, for today it happened to me, I was first thinking that I will have to struggle out for this puja. I’ll have to work it out. I don’t know how I will get out of this meditative mood. But it surprises so many people, how people are meditating. Especially so many Indians told me this thing; it’s something very surprising: that they are supposed to be meditating and immediately they get up, “What cakes? What things? What have you cooked?” this, that. There’s no slumber of meditation in them and, just, they just start thinking about food. How can that be? It’s the way you cannot get out of your sleep, in the same way a Sahaj Yogi cannot get out of his meditative mood: it’s so enjoyable. You want to be there. So one of the signs that you are not yet anywhere near Sahaj Yoga is that if you cannot enjoy your meditation. I mean, imagine if you enjoy a television show or anything, you have to see it, isn’t it? You cannot just say, “All right, I’m sleeping now and I am enjoying the television.” So you have to be awakened to it. But that awakening is within; and there you see your own connection. It’s a joy that I cannot describe really: there’s only one word for that, is nirananda, means it’s just, ‘Nira’ means ‘only the joy’; ‘absolute joy’. And who would like to give up the joy for what? For a cake or for a tea or this thing? I mean, just think of it! The joy is so deep, so intense, so beautiful. I don’t know what else to say. You have not tasted the ambrosia, otherwise you would have said, [it’s] as if the ambrosia is trickling down on your tongue. It’s like that, the taste of it. But what I find [is] that the depth we have not touched; which is within us. All of you have that depth, that not that you don’t have. I have not given you Realisation because you are just there, here [but] because you have that depth within you. You are special people with that depth. But you haven’t touched it. It shows you haven’t touched it. Supposing it’s like a well full of water, but you are still dangling somewhere in the middle, you haven’t yet touched that depth. Because once you get into that, you get completely drenched and lost. But if that is not the situation, that shows that you are still somewhere dangling in between and any time you can come high and dry. So you have to judge yourself. This is the time for you to judge [if] you are in connection with Christ. He achieved His resurrection, by which we have to achieve our resurrection. But what have we done to achieve that resurrection which He has achieved? He intensely lived a life of complete sacrifice and complete concentration towards one goal: that He has to achieve the resurrection. Nothing else was important to Him. All that attention was on one thing that, “I have to achieve this resurrection. I have to get crucified and I have to be resurrected because the whole world has to be resurrected.” But Sahaj Yogis, I don’t know how many think that way, how many think that dedication is needed. And the best part of it [is] that it’s so joy-giving. Every step you move forward, it’s so joy-giving. This sinking in that well is so very joy-giving. It’s not painful. You don’t have to crucify yourself, you don’t have to carry the cross. He’s done it for you. So what do you sacrifice? Is your laziness! When it comes to the satisfaction of ego, people are overactive. They are like bullets then. And when it is the satisfaction of their physical comfort, they become – I don’t know. We had one rakshasa called Kumbhakarna, who used to sleep for six months and used to be awake six months. But here I see people sleep for twelve months, so what do you call them? Then they say, “Mother, we can’t keep awake!” Why? Because you are not meditating, you are not one with Christ. Then His agnya, He controls. With that Agnya, you cannot sleep. If His blessings are there on the Agnya, you cannot sleep. You won’t believe with the slightest light, artificial light specially, I can’t sleep; because still Christ is awake and I have to be awake. So you have to be awakened to this fact that we are Sahaj Yogis. We have a special responsibility as our connection with Christ is; our main responsibility is, all the time, intensely, to think, “What we can do for the betterment of human beings? And what are we doing about it?” First I used to say, “Count your blessings,” because that was the best way to make people understand that there are blessings in Sahaj Yoga. Now I would say, “Count your deeds.” What have you done for Sahaj Yoga? Sahaj Yoga has done so much for you. To say that Paramchaitanya will look after you is absolutely absurd! If Paramchaitanya could do everything why should it create human beings? One Adam and Eve were sufficient. You have to do it. Unless and until you become deep, it cannot trigger, it is helpless. It’s only through you it is going to work out. Now if there is no instrument, electricity cannot work, can it? Now you should say, “The electricity itself must come before me and must do everything!” You have to have the instrument and you are the instrument and if you do not want to do it, how can Paramchaitanya do it? It will be something like saying, as I told you, that, “Let electricity do the job, we’ll not have any instrument.” Can I work it out? Can you work it out? So Paramchaitanya has its own style. It can only work if you people want to work it out. It’s an energy, and you are the instrument. But the instrument is more busy with the job, with the family, I don't know, all kinds of nonsensical things. Now supposing this instrument (microphone), which is meant for my lecture, forgets what it is and acts like a ladle in the kitchen because it’s fond of food, say, for example: then what’s the use of making this useless instrument? It doesn’t do what it has to do. It doesn’t know what it has been made for. It has no purpose at all. It’s such a useless stuff. So I feel there’s a kind of a lethargy, a kind of a very subtle lethargy working out, like this that, “We’ve done our job. Let the young people do it now!” You are matured, and the matured have to do the job. “We have done our level best!” What have you done so far? So much to be done still. And somehow or other we have to touch that area where such people remain like the yesterday’s [sitar] player. He is not doing God’s work. He’s an artist and he’s working so hard to achieve perfection. He will get the same amount whether he’s perfect or not, but he’s practising at home, he’s listening to it, he’s trying to develop it; all the time working it out so that his performance should be excellent. So he’s seeking an excellence. Mediocrity has no place in Sahaj Yoga. Only through excellence you’ll enjoy. Only through excellence you will really become Sahaj Yogis. Otherwise, you could be a headache to me and to yourself; you would be a headache to Sahaj Yogis. A most non-progressive, destructive element a person is who is not alert. You have to be aware, aware of your responsibilities. So far I have been saying that still the preparation is on: they have to correct themselves, they have to clear out themselves, they have to work it out; still their conditionings, this ego. But now, twenty years have passed and beware! Be aware that twenty-first year is going to be a very big jump. I’m warning you again and again and again and again. And you have to work very hard to develop yourself vertically in balance with your horizontal growth. It’s not my lecture for entertainment or anything, but should go to your heart, to your brain, to your being as this is very important. And you are not going to waste it. All the time you have to think that you are a Sahaj Yogi and you have to know what you have to do in Sahaj Yoga and how to achieve it. You should not be satisfied unless and until you have achieved that excellence. That’s the very important, crucial point today [that] I wanted to tell you because today is Easter Day which was a very crucial point for the development or the growth of the Spirit, because Sahasrara we could never have achieved if Agnya was blocked. Christ could have said, “All right, let Paramchaitanya do it! Let Paramchaitanya get itself hanged. Why should I do it?” But He had to do it and He was the instrument and He’s done it. So Sahaj Yoga is not only for exploiters — if you try just to exploit Sahaj Yoga, you’ll be exploited too — but is for the exploitation of joy. But that’s only possible if you grow, you touch your depth. If you are not deep enough, you’ll hang in the air, as I said. And that has to be worked out, that has to be found out: how best you can do it, how much you can reach people; how many people you have given Realisation, how many people you’re going to help improve their health, their mental conditions and then how much you are going to talk about Sahaj Yoga. So that is going to work out what I call the collective ascent of human beings. May God bless you! To be in connection with Christ is to be enjoying your meditation. All right. So, puja is another thing which, I know, it helps you a lot; it gives you a definite push, I should say, but you don’t retain it. You don’t retain it. Then what’s the use? So also you have to retain, should have power to retain. That’s only possible if you have touched your depths, which you have. I am so happy to come back to you all. I missed you all very much. I’m travelling and working very hard. I don’t know if I work hard. I don’t think about it, never. So once you know that this is what you have to be, then you don’t work , it just works. Then you don’t think you are working. This is a subtle point you have to understand: that everything works out and you work in a way and it works out, but you don’t work. Like the Sun shines: if you ask the Sun, “Poor Sun, you have to work so hard!” He said, “When? When was that?” So you say, “You have to rise in the morning, then you have to…”. “No, no, no, no, no! I was just with myself, nothing else. I was with myself, I was enjoying myself. When did I work?” As long as you are with yourself there is no question of getting bored or no question of you getting tired, nothing: you are with yourself, finished! But unless and until that happens within you then these problems do come up. And so please, please again I would say, value your Self-realisation, value your Realisation, value your life. You all are very precious people and you are the ones who are chosen. I hope all of you come to Sahasrar day after a very intensive meditative time. Otherwise suddenly I’ll find people who are doing Sahasrar puja with their all Sahasraras caught up. May God bless you!

5/5/1990

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Medical Conference: Reach the reality

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Medical Conference in Fiuggi, Italy, 05-05-1990 I bow to all the seekers of truth. As you know very well, that all the religions have talked of one thing that is, we should seek the truth and that we have to be born again. But it is not just a certificate or a kind of a group we form, say that we are born again. But it is the actualization to believe that we have found the truth, that by reading a particular scripture, we are the people who are following the truth is just taking us to the darkness of fundamentalism. And that's why when people tell me that they are following the religion very strictly why is it physically, mentally, emotionally, they are so sick? But actually, they are not following reality. They have not tried to find out the reality. Thousands of years, our forefathers have been doing the same thing. There is no religion which has said that (inaudible) but this falsehood has lead us into a very big mess that we have started hating each other in the name of religion and they have become now, all religions, very money-oriented. Either they go to the right side as told to you or go to the left side and become possessed. The ones who follow any religion whether it is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, any religion, is capable of doing any sin. There is no difference between any human being as such. They have to be truth-oriented and there is only one truth one must know that we are the Spirit. And that there is an all-pervading power, the Devine power, which does all the works, all organisation of all living things. As long as you have not felt that Devine power, you have not reached the reality. And unless and until that happens, how can we claim that we belong to this religion or that religion? So this blindness has led people to fundamentalism and I think this is the biggest problem of the World today.In Sahaja yoga, people get cured, no doubt, because of the internal system working it out, because it is the bi-product of your Self-realisation. And once you are established as a self-realised soul then it's very seldom you get sick. Physically you improve. No doubt. Also, you become a very relaxed personality, as if you are away from the waves of turmoil in a boat ( inaudible….)Of course, the doctors should not have any worry that Sahaja yoga will displace them. There are very few people who are really wise, so far I have seen, who come to Sahaja yoga, especially the very rich always go to the doctors to the specialist.So what we are trying to tell you is that this system helps the people who cannot afford to go to the doctor. Diagnosis is very easy because you can feel on the fingertips what the problem is on the chakras. When you want to treat a tree if you treat the leaves it can not be cured but if you really can go into the roots, reach the roots, it's very easy to cure that tree. So the knowledge of Sahaja yoga is the knowledge of the roots. Roots of human civilization. Another problem we have is of ecological problem which we have created ourselves. Machinery are for us and we are not for machinery. But the way we have become so materialistic that we have to have machines to produce many things for us, and all useless things like plastics and nylons. When a person gets his Self-realisation he also becomes very sensible and balanced. In the West, there are so many ways the entrepreneurs are befooling the ordinary people. (inaudible….) we should be committed.But we are crazy and there are certain norms that we try to always follow. Like first time we went to London, we never used to offer drinks in our house in India, but in London, they said that you have to offer. So to get six tumblers for every sort of drink we had to spend, in those days, 900 pounds. In that amount, we would have got at least three dozen of silver tumblers.Real silver, handmade. But for every type of wine, there is a different type of a glass and if you don't do that way you are not elite. So also these norms are formed by these entrepreneurs to befool us. And they have also killed our individuality. Because say, today is the fashion in Paris, then the whole of Europe must wear the same thing. You all look the same. If they have to wear tight pants they all will wear tight pants. All are just the same, just like a military. So we also have to understand how far we have to go, to balance between machinery and handmade things, and how many things to own, so that the piles and piles of plastics, nylons and all this horrible stuff is all over. You do not know what to do with it. Now if the machinery output is reduced what will happen is that ecological problems will be very much reduced. Say in India we have a such a big population no doubt, but the ecological problem is very little.No problem. Only the cities, some cities, because people have say one plate of brass, which is sufficient for their life. So one has to be satisfied souls. But above all, once a person gets Realisation he becomes a medium of this divine power which starts flowing through him, and that triggers the atmosphere to be cleansed out. We have experimented with trees and we have found out that if they are given vibrated water then they survive very well despite the acid rain. We have experimented with agriculture and agriculture has improved ten times when you use vibrated water. And we don't use also, the seeds which we have to take from some organisation because they are hybrid. We use non-hybrid seeds. Also from non-hybrid animals, we get milk much more, their growth much better. So many things can happen.Everything living can be improved through these vibrations, the Chaitanya all pervading power. We spend all this money,we run around too much,we work so hard, for what? For joy. But if you see, it is all joyless pursuit. Your Spirit is the source of joy. It is the source of absolute truth. And it is the one that makes your attention so beautifully dynamic. And you become holy people. Auspicious people. The marriages become auspicious and the society improves. What is the culture we see in the West is that we change our wives and husbands like we change our dresses. And the children become like orphans. All kinds of struggles and all kinds of fights come out of hatred, but when you start using the power of love you are surprised how powerful you are. So the Sahaja yoga is not only for physical nor only for emotional or mental stability but for the stability of the whole world. So the new race of enlightened people have to come to lead the whole world into enlightenment. So it is a very easy method, it is very spontaneous because it is a living process. And now we are going to try it that, for all of you.Thank you very much. (clapping) And if you have any questions you can write to us. Like you have here so many lights and you have to just switch on and you get all the lights spontaneously. But if I have to tell you all the theories behind it and then the discovery of it, all the rest of it, you will be fed-up. So the best thing is to have your realisation, and then we can talk about it. At the very outset, I have to request you that you have to take out your shoes because we will take the help of mother earth. We will hardly take about 10 minutes.Please put your left hand towards me like this. This is suggesting symbolically you want your Realisation. Because the Left side is the power of desire. And the right hand we will have to use for the action. Dr Spiro will show you how to do it. Alright, now you have to put your right hand on your heart. In the heart resides the spirit.Then you have to put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. We will be working on the left hand side. Then you have to put your right hand on the lower portion of the abdomen. Now the upper portion of the abdomen is the centre of your mastery. All the great prophets and masters have created this centre within you. Now the lower.….

Medical Conference in Fiuggi, Italy, 05-05-1990 I bow to all the seekers of truth. As you know very well, that all the religions have talked of one thing that is, we should seek the truth and that we have to be born again. But it is not just a certificate or a kind of a group we form, say that we are born again. But it is the actualization to believe that we have found the truth, that by reading a particular scripture, we are the people who are following the truth is just taking us to the darkness of fundamentalism. And that's why when people tell me that they are following the religion very strictly why is it physically, mentally, emotionally, they are so sick? But actually, they are not following reality. They have not tried to find out the reality. Thousands of years, our forefathers have been doing the same thing. There is no religion which has said that (inaudible) but this falsehood has lead us into a very big mess that we have started hating each other in the name of religion and they have become now, all religions, very money-oriented. Either they go to the right side as told to you or go to the left side and become possessed. The ones who follow any religion whether it is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, any religion, is capable of doing any sin. There is no difference between any human being as such. They have to be truth-oriented and there is only one truth one must know that we are the Spirit. And that there is an all-pervading power, the Devine power, which does all the works, all organisation of all living things. As long as you have not felt that Devine power, you have not reached the reality. And unless and until that happens, how can we claim that we belong to this religion or that religion? So this blindness has led people to fundamentalism and I think this is the biggest problem of the World today.In Sahaja yoga, people get cured, no doubt, because of the internal system working it out, because it is the bi-product of your Self-realisation. And once you are established as a self-realised soul then it's very seldom you get sick. Physically you improve. No doubt. Also, you become a very relaxed personality, as if you are away from the waves of turmoil in a boat ( inaudible….)Of course, the doctors should not have any worry that Sahaja yoga will displace them. There are very few people who are really wise, so far I have seen, who come to Sahaja yoga, especially the very rich always go to the doctors to the specialist.So what we are trying to tell you is that this system helps the people who cannot afford to go to the doctor. Diagnosis is very easy because you can feel on the fingertips what the problem is on the chakras. When you want to treat a tree if you treat the leaves it can not be cured but if you really can go into the roots, reach the roots, it's very easy to cure that tree. So the knowledge of Sahaja yoga is the knowledge of the roots. Roots of human civilization. Another problem we have is of ecological problem which we have created ourselves. Machinery are for us and we are not for machinery. But the way we have become so materialistic that we have to have machines to produce many things for us, and all useless things like plastics and nylons. When a person gets his Self-realisation he also becomes very sensible and balanced. In the West, there are so many ways the entrepreneurs are befooling the ordinary people. (inaudible….) we should be committed.But we are crazy and there are certain norms that we try to always follow. Like first time we went to London, we never used to offer drinks in our house in India, but in London, they said that you have to offer. So to get six tumblers for every sort of drink we had to spend, in those days, 900 pounds. In that amount, we would have got at least three dozen of silver tumblers.Real silver, handmade. But for every type of wine, there is a different type of a glass and if you don't do that way you are not elite. So also these norms are formed by these entrepreneurs to befool us. And they have also killed our individuality. Because say, today is the fashion in Paris, then the whole of Europe must wear the same thing. You all look the same. If they have to wear tight pants they all will wear tight pants. All are just the same, just like a military. So we also have to understand how far we have to go, to balance between machinery and handmade things, and how many things to own, so that the piles and piles of plastics, nylons and all this horrible stuff is all over. You do not know what to do with it. Now if the machinery output is reduced what will happen is that ecological problems will be very much reduced. Say in India we have a such a big population no doubt, but the ecological problem is very little.No problem. Only the cities, some cities, because people have say one plate of brass, which is sufficient for their life. So one has to be satisfied souls. But above all, once a person gets Realisation he becomes a medium of this divine power which starts flowing through him, and that triggers the atmosphere to be cleansed out. We have experimented with trees and we have found out that if they are given vibrated water then they survive very well despite the acid rain. We have experimented with agriculture and agriculture has improved ten times when you use vibrated water. And we don't use also, the seeds which we have to take from some organisation because they are hybrid. We use non-hybrid seeds. Also from non-hybrid animals, we get milk much more, their growth much better. So many things can happen.Everything living can be improved through these vibrations, the Chaitanya all pervading power. We spend all this money,we run around too much,we work so hard, for what? For joy. But if you see, it is all joyless pursuit. Your Spirit is the source of joy. It is the source of absolute truth. And it is the one that makes your attention so beautifully dynamic. And you become holy people. Auspicious people. The marriages become auspicious and the society improves. What is the culture we see in the West is that we change our wives and husbands like we change our dresses. And the children become like orphans. All kinds of struggles and all kinds of fights come out of hatred, but when you start using the power of love you are surprised how powerful you are. So the Sahaja yoga is not only for physical nor only for emotional or mental stability but for the stability of the whole world. So the new race of enlightened people have to come to lead the whole world into enlightenment. So it is a very easy method, it is very spontaneous because it is a living process. And now we are going to try it that, for all of you.Thank you very much. (clapping) And if you have any questions you can write to us. Like you have here so many lights and you have to just switch on and you get all the lights spontaneously. But if I have to tell you all the theories behind it and then the discovery of it, all the rest of it, you will be fed-up. So the best thing is to have your realisation, and then we can talk about it. At the very outset, I have to request you that you have to take out your shoes because we will take the help of mother earth. We will hardly take about 10 minutes.Please put your left hand towards me like this. This is suggesting symbolically you want your Realisation. Because the Left side is the power of desire. And the right hand we will have to use for the action. Dr Spiro will show you how to do it. Alright, now you have to put your right hand on your heart. In the heart resides the spirit.Then you have to put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. We will be working on the left hand side. Then you have to put your right hand on the lower portion of the abdomen. Now the upper portion of the abdomen is the centre of your mastery. All the great prophets and masters have created this centre within you. Now the lower.….

5/5/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=62096

Evening Program, eve of Sahasrara Puja

Italy

Fiuggi

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Evening Program

English

5/6/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=13598

Sahasrara Puja: You Have All Become Mahayogis Now

Italy

Fiuggi

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Sahasrara

English

Sahasrara Puja. Fiuggi (Italy), 6 May 1990. All these years I have been waiting for this day. We have now, on the twenty-first Sahasrara, so is a very important turning point. As you know that every twenty-first day we change our calendars as far as the horoscope is concerned. And so now is a new change has to come and you can see the announcement (thunder clap and laughter). A new understanding and awareness of a very new dimension. We have been so far been dealing with collective consciousness. We are collectively conscious. We have the idea that we are collectively conscious. Also we know we are part and parcel of the whole and that we all are sahaja yogis. We know about our chakras and our nadis very clearly, but perhaps we do not know about our powers, how many powers have developed in those twenty-one years within yourself. (loud thunder clap then laughter and applause) Last two months Italy was burning with fire. It was so very hot. And I had reports that they're worried about a drought and they want rain to come in and now they think the time has passed away. But how it works, you see, because the All-pervading Power knows everything and the whole nature works for your benefit, for your programmes. At the right time things happen, as you have seen before. They are completely coordinated with our programmes. All the time they're helping you. Whatever they have in themselves as powers, they are using them at the right time. Now be confident that you have powers. And this is the new change that is going to come within your own understanding. So far only you knew that you could feel the vibrations, that you could cure people, you could help to cure — I mean still not so confident. That you could feel the Paramchaitanya. But you did not know what Dynamic Forces are working in you now and this a new change that is going to come. With this new change, you have to assume a new character and the new character is announcement. So far I had told you not to talk about Sahaja Yoga very openly, blatantly, but now the time has come. We waited long for these days. Now you have to all start talking about it, announcing about it and telling about it to everyone. Otherwise, the world would say that “We never knew about it!” All other false gurus are so well known all over because their disciples are talking about them [in] all the places, wherever they can. To all the big offices they go, to big people they go. They go to all the important people. [They] just go and tell them what they have. So far we had kept Sahaja Yoga at a low ebb because I wanted you, first of all, to develop into really very beautiful sahaja yogis, so that from your life, from your lifestyle, from your behaviour, from your understanding, from your thoughts, people will realise that these people are very unique and very different type of people. Now that assumption has to be there. You have to understand that all these powers are bubbling in you and just out of formality or maybe out of shyness or maybe little cowardice, you are hiding them. The other day there was a sahaja yogi who came to My house and he saw some flowers which were fading away. I said, “They are not fading. You can give them life.” He said , “How?” I said, “You cut the bottom of all of them and put your hand underneath.” And he just put his hands under the base of the stem and he said, “Mother, they are still drooping.” I said, “All right, now leave them in the water.” His attention was here and there. Within fifteen days (minutes?) they all stood up. All right. Started growing, they became bigger flowers and lasted for five days more after that. Then he was convinced. You can do so many things to convince yourself that you have these powers. I have seen people who have certain problems. They have a headache, they have this, that. They come to Me, write big letters, “Mother, I get my headache. I can’t get rid of it.” Now those days are gone when Mother has to cure a headache, look after your wife, look after your children. Is all finished now. Now you are responsible, not only for yourself, but for your ashrams, for your cities, for your countries and for the whole world. Now, assume your powers. Like yesterday he sang, or he played, ‘The Royal Court’ (Nishat Khan played Darbari Kanada). So now you are in The Royal Court. Take up your responsibilities! Everybody has to feel responsible. And assume what you are. Know your powers, what you can do. Sit down. Now, the days are gone when you had to sit down and count your blessings. Now you have to count your powers. “How many powers I have and what I can use and how I can use.” No use counting your miracles. You have had enough miracles to prove that you are sahaja yogis and that you are helped by the Paramchaitanya. But now know how much of that Paramchaitanya you are going to use yourself, how you are going to manoeuvre it and how you are going to work out. This is the new era we are starting from today. And this is the day I was waiting for all of you to realise that you are not sahaja yogis for only your selfish ends, nor for your families, nor for your communities, nor for your country, but for the whole world. Expand yourself. You must have that vision before you, that I have put many a times before you people, that - you have to emancipate the humanity. Now don't have diffidence. First of all, you should not think that “We are very ordinary people. We are very ordinary. We haven’t got something special about it.” This work isn't going to be done by special people because they are suffering from ego. It is going to be done by people who don't have that ego of great success or of great achievements or riches or anything. If they are rid of this, then only they can work it out. And that’s why it is for you to understand what Christ has said that, a camel can pass through the hole of a needle, but not a rich man. Because the ego is too big, bigger than a camel, bigger than a elephant, any animal you could think of. That's why now as we are entering into new awareness, let us not worry about our negative thinking. So, first is the diffidence. “How can I be? I am not all right. I was like this. I was doing like this. I had done like this.” So many letters of confessions come to Me, pages after pages, which I throw away or burn them off. There is no need to confess any more. There’s only one confession, that “I am a sahaja yogi and now, after twenty-first of Sahasrara, I am a Maha Yogi.” This is the confession you have to make. And no more of these out of date things that people tell Me about your family’s life and all mundane, nonsensical things. We have given them up and we have come to Sahaja Yoga for our ascent. We have achieved our ascent and now for what? For what? Have achieved our ascent is to emancipate human beings, to help them out of the Maya of ignorance, of darkness. The main target, I feel today, should not be so much political, as fundamentalism. So we have to openly say to these fundamentalists that “You are nonsensical. You don't know the truth. You don’t know anything about truth. You don’t know that you are the Spirit. You don’t know that there is a power that is working.” You have to tell very clearly, “You are all stupid people running after something that is a mirage and all of you will end up into hell described by all the scriptures.” We have to openly say it, this thing. Whichever way you like, you may write books. You may publish it. You may tell people about it. But now the new announcement has to come to say that running after falsehood is not going to take you to God. And, in that, they have used the power of hatred. So you have to say that “We believe in the power of love and not in the power of hatred that you believe in”. For us, everybody is capable of finding the Truth and is capable of getting to the heaven of that paradise, which is promised to us, the Kingdom of God. So, for us, everybody, whether they belong to this community, that community, this race or that race, whatever it is, we believe - not that - but we are sure, that we all are quite capable and blessed by God, that we should enter into His Kingdom. If you take this kind of a positive attitude, your negativity will go away. Negative forces, as you know, you have been pulled down by this kind of a thing or that kind of a thing, specially after Sahaja Yoga. Before Sahaja Yoga, we are not attached to any families or anything. After Sahaja Yoga you just got attached to your families like glued to them. Absolutely glued. I mean, I had to solve every family’s problems. Now we have marriages and even after marriages I find [that] still people don't understand what is a Sahaja Yoga marriage. And there are still some problems — very few, but there are. So this nonsensical problem of, “My family, my wife, my children, my house, my property, my money”. All this "my" should be finished first of all! You have to belong to the world. Any person who is a king, [who] does not belong to his kingdom is a failure, is useless. If he thinks about himself, about his own comfort, about his own fame, about his own achievements, then he's a failure. He has to think about the country on which he's ruling. In the same way, you have to also turn your mind away from all these petty things that you have been dealing with. I have been struggling with you, trying to help you for every small little nonsensical things and many people said that, “Mother, why should you worry? You are a saint. Why should you worry about these things?” I said, “Unless and until these entanglements are taken away, they are not going to come up.” But now, now you do feel that freedom, complete freedom. You are an individual. You are absolutely free and the source of your joy is your Spirit. You’re not entangled with anyone. You are not any way attached to anyone. In that detachment, you are going to nourish everyone, inclusive of so-called your family, your people, your country and ultimately the world. So, to get rid of negativity, first important thing is to learn detachment. Detachment comes through thoughtless awareness. When you look at anyone or start thinking about anyone - get to your state of thoughtless awareness. Immediately you'll feel detached and you'll know the solution of the whole problem. Now the greatest power you have is in your brain, that you are knowledgeable. Not knowledgeable the way you understand, that, “what is the chakra, what is the centre” — not that. But there's all knowledge within you. Just you have to get into thoughtless awareness and the whole library of knowledge can open to you. You know, so many of you have never been speaking on the stage, they had stage fear, and you have become great speakers. So many of you were possessed people who couldn’t even stand before Me, have now become leaders and are doing good job. In every field you will find that you have advanced so much. So many people who didn’t know how to sing have started singing, did not know how to paint have started painting. But these are very, very mundane things which may give us little pleasures here and there, but the main thing is how many people we give Realisation to. Whether you are a woman, whether you are man, whether you are a father, whether you are a mother, whether you are a child or a grown up. Everybody has to see how many people we can give Realisation to, how much we can announce about Sahaja Yoga. That’s the main thing. Sahaja Yoga is not by the way. And it happens. Like, when I went to Australia, I was surprised that Sahaja Yoga, which was such a prime thing for them, suddenly became by the way. So Sahaja Yoga is a commitment, is a commitment and complete involvement. Otherwise you are really useless for Sahaja Yoga, absolutely useless. It’s better to have few people who are committed than to have thousands who are just useless. So let us see what you have decided for yourself and what you have decided for Sahaja Yoga. If you have decided to opt for Sahaja Yoga, then just know that this is the main thing that you have to do. The whole attention should be on that. As I told this morning, a very good poem written by Namadeva and was included in the Guru Granth Sahib, that, “A boy is playing with his kite and the kite is flying in the air. He’s talking to everyone, but his attention is on the kite. There’s a lady who’s doing all the household work. She is doing all the cleaning, but the child is on her, on her back or on her waist. All her attention is on the child. Then there are ladies who are taking water home. There’s a water pitcher on their heads, sometimes two, sometimes three. They’re carrying, balancing it. They’re talking to each other, laughing, but the whole attention is on the balance.” In the same way, your attention should be all the time be on Sahaja Yoga - “What’s happening in Sahaja Yoga? Where are we? Where are we going? Where is Mother? What part She is? What is She doing?” That is, now, if you put your attention to, your negativity will absolutely disappear because attention which was involved into negative things will get absolutely detached and you start thinking about Sahaja Yoga. So now, as you are Maha Yogis, we have to make it a Mahayoga. And unless and until that level is achieved by you, then we should think that you are still backdated and I don't know, in the turning of the wheel, how many will be left there. So this is a very big turning point and today is a very great day for us because Sahasrara, today, has completed its twenty-one years and, like that, it has twenty-one aspects. Seven, the chakras. Seven into three of your nadis. So it’s twenty-one aspects you have been able to achieve and the twenty-one powers. You just experiment and see for yourself. Don't doubt yourself! Just experiment. First, you used to even doubt if there is cool breeze or not, used to think it’s an air conditioner working in London! Even [in] London (where nobody had air conditioners), they used to think there must be an air conditioner in their head! Now those days are gone. Now don't doubt yourself and you just go full ahead with all the maryadas of Sahaja Yoga. So the maryada has to be there. Except that the moral maryada and also of behavioural maryadas, there are not many maryadas in Sahaja Yoga. You can do what you like. You can live the way you like. You can eat the way you want to eat. But the main maryada is that you have to be very moral people, honest, moral people. And, also, you have to be, in a way, in appearance, in behaviour, such a person that you do not become obnoxious or people don't think that you are queer, strange people. To overcome that, we have to dress up in a way that is rather more appealing to the general public and people see us as normal human being and as not abnormal human beings. There's not much to be done outside. It is the inside where we’ll have to prepare ourselves fully, to accept ourselves. To tell ourselves every day that we are now Maha Yogis and we have to work it out that way. Today we have here people from all over the world and you go and tell this message to all the rest of the people, whom I have not met, that Mother has already announced, through the Vishnumaya also, that you have all become now Maha Yogis. And try to express that, manifest that with full confidence in yourself and with this power of love, I am sure you will all win over. May God bless you! There has been nothing written about Sahasrara before. In none of the scriptures Sahasrara is described. Nobody knew anything about Sahasrara. They just left it as the seventh chakra — finished. They could only go up to Agnya and nothing has been written about Sahasrara so far. And there is no mantras written about Sahasrara, so we have to now write Sahasrara mantra. It is very surprising that even the photographs of Sahasrara have appeared now for you to see that your Sahasraras are opening. And that is something [that] never happened before in the whole spiritual history and nobody could write about it because they never saw this Sahasrara. Now, for you, it is important to see that you have something so unique within you. But only thing what you need is a courage and a complete commitment to go forward with this propagation of Sahaja Yoga, announcement of Sahaja Yoga.

Sahasrara Puja. Fiuggi (Italy), 6 May 1990. All these years I have been waiting for this day. We have now, on the twenty-first Sahasrara, so is a very important turning point. As you know that every twenty-first day we change our calendars as far as the horoscope is concerned. And so now is a new change has to come and you can see the announcement (thunder clap and laughter). A new understanding and awareness of a very new dimension. We have been so far been dealing with collective consciousness. We are collectively conscious. We have the idea that we are collectively conscious. Also we know we are part and parcel of the whole and that we all are sahaja yogis. We know about our chakras and our nadis very clearly, but perhaps we do not know about our powers, how many powers have developed in those twenty-one years within yourself. (loud thunder clap then laughter and applause) Last two months Italy was burning with fire. It was so very hot. And I had reports that they're worried about a drought and they want rain to come in and now they think the time has passed away. But how it works, you see, because the All-pervading Power knows everything and the whole nature works for your benefit, for your programmes. At the right time things happen, as you have seen before. They are completely coordinated with our programmes. All the time they're helping you. Whatever they have in themselves as powers, they are using them at the right time. Now be confident that you have powers. And this is the new change that is going to come within your own understanding. So far only you knew that you could feel the vibrations, that you could cure people, you could help to cure — I mean still not so confident. That you could feel the Paramchaitanya. But you did not know what Dynamic Forces are working in you now and this a new change that is going to come. With this new change, you have to assume a new character and the new character is announcement. So far I had told you not to talk about Sahaja Yoga very openly, blatantly, but now the time has come. We waited long for these days. Now you have to all start talking about it, announcing about it and telling about it to everyone. Otherwise, the world would say that “We never knew about it!” All other false gurus are so well known all over because their disciples are talking about them [in] all the places, wherever they can. To all the big offices they go, to big people they go. They go to all the important people. [They] just go and tell them what they have. So far we had kept Sahaja Yoga at a low ebb because I wanted you, first of all, to develop into really very beautiful sahaja yogis, so that from your life, from your lifestyle, from your behaviour, from your understanding, from your thoughts, people will realise that these people are very unique and very different type of people. Now that assumption has to be there. You have to understand that all these powers are bubbling in you and just out of formality or maybe out of shyness or maybe little cowardice, you are hiding them. The other day there was a sahaja yogi who came to My house and he saw some flowers which were fading away. I said, “They are not fading. You can give them life.” He said , “How?” I said, “You cut the bottom of all of them and put your hand underneath.” And he just put his hands under the base of the stem and he said, “Mother, they are still drooping.” I said, “All right, now leave them in the water.” His attention was here and there. Within fifteen days (minutes?) they all stood up. All right. Started growing, they became bigger flowers and lasted for five days more after that. Then he was convinced. You can do so many things to convince yourself that you have these powers. I have seen people who have certain problems. They have a headache, they have this, that. They come to Me, write big letters, “Mother, I get my headache. I can’t get rid of it.” Now those days are gone when Mother has to cure a headache, look after your wife, look after your children. Is all finished now. Now you are responsible, not only for yourself, but for your ashrams, for your cities, for your countries and for the whole world. Now, assume your powers. Like yesterday he sang, or he played, ‘The Royal Court’ (Nishat Khan played Darbari Kanada). So now you are in The Royal Court. Take up your responsibilities! Everybody has to feel responsible. And assume what you are. Know your powers, what you can do. Sit down. Now, the days are gone when you had to sit down and count your blessings. Now you have to count your powers. “How many powers I have and what I can use and how I can use.” No use counting your miracles. You have had enough miracles to prove that you are sahaja yogis and that you are helped by the Paramchaitanya. But now know how much of that Paramchaitanya you are going to use yourself, how you are going to manoeuvre it and how you are going to work out. This is the new era we are starting from today. And this is the day I was waiting for all of you to realise that you are not sahaja yogis for only your selfish ends, nor for your families, nor for your communities, nor for your country, but for the whole world. Expand yourself. You must have that vision before you, that I have put many a times before you people, that - you have to emancipate the humanity. Now don't have diffidence. First of all, you should not think that “We are very ordinary people. We are very ordinary. We haven’t got something special about it.” This work isn't going to be done by special people because they are suffering from ego. It is going to be done by people who don't have that ego of great success or of great achievements or riches or anything. If they are rid of this, then only they can work it out. And that’s why it is for you to understand what Christ has said that, a camel can pass through the hole of a needle, but not a rich man. Because the ego is too big, bigger than a camel, bigger than a elephant, any animal you could think of. That's why now as we are entering into new awareness, let us not worry about our negative thinking. So, first is the diffidence. “How can I be? I am not all right. I was like this. I was doing like this. I had done like this.” So many letters of confessions come to Me, pages after pages, which I throw away or burn them off. There is no need to confess any more. There’s only one confession, that “I am a sahaja yogi and now, after twenty-first of Sahasrara, I am a Maha Yogi.” This is the confession you have to make. And no more of these out of date things that people tell Me about your family’s life and all mundane, nonsensical things. We have given them up and we have come to Sahaja Yoga for our ascent. We have achieved our ascent and now for what? For what? Have achieved our ascent is to emancipate human beings, to help them out of the Maya of ignorance, of darkness. The main target, I feel today, should not be so much political, as fundamentalism. So we have to openly say to these fundamentalists that “You are nonsensical. You don't know the truth. You don’t know anything about truth. You don’t know that you are the Spirit. You don’t know that there is a power that is working.” You have to tell very clearly, “You are all stupid people running after something that is a mirage and all of you will end up into hell described by all the scriptures.” We have to openly say it, this thing. Whichever way you like, you may write books. You may publish it. You may tell people about it. But now the new announcement has to come to say that running after falsehood is not going to take you to God. And, in that, they have used the power of hatred. So you have to say that “We believe in the power of love and not in the power of hatred that you believe in”. For us, everybody is capable of finding the Truth and is capable of getting to the heaven of that paradise, which is promised to us, the Kingdom of God. So, for us, everybody, whether they belong to this community, that community, this race or that race, whatever it is, we believe - not that - but we are sure, that we all are quite capable and blessed by God, that we should enter into His Kingdom. If you take this kind of a positive attitude, your negativity will go away. Negative forces, as you know, you have been pulled down by this kind of a thing or that kind of a thing, specially after Sahaja Yoga. Before Sahaja Yoga, we are not attached to any families or anything. After Sahaja Yoga you just got attached to your families like glued to them. Absolutely glued. I mean, I had to solve every family’s problems. Now we have marriages and even after marriages I find [that] still people don't understand what is a Sahaja Yoga marriage. And there are still some problems — very few, but there are. So this nonsensical problem of, “My family, my wife, my children, my house, my property, my money”. All this "my" should be finished first of all! You have to belong to the world. Any person who is a king, [who] does not belong to his kingdom is a failure, is useless. If he thinks about himself, about his own comfort, about his own fame, about his own achievements, then he's a failure. He has to think about the country on which he's ruling. In the same way, you have to also turn your mind away from all these petty things that you have been dealing with. I have been struggling with you, trying to help you for every small little nonsensical things and many people said that, “Mother, why should you worry? You are a saint. Why should you worry about these things?” I said, “Unless and until these entanglements are taken away, they are not going to come up.” But now, now you do feel that freedom, complete freedom. You are an individual. You are absolutely free and the source of your joy is your Spirit. You’re not entangled with anyone. You are not any way attached to anyone. In that detachment, you are going to nourish everyone, inclusive of so-called your family, your people, your country and ultimately the world. So, to get rid of negativity, first important thing is to learn detachment. Detachment comes through thoughtless awareness. When you look at anyone or start thinking about anyone - get to your state of thoughtless awareness. Immediately you'll feel detached and you'll know the solution of the whole problem. Now the greatest power you have is in your brain, that you are knowledgeable. Not knowledgeable the way you understand, that, “what is the chakra, what is the centre” — not that. But there's all knowledge within you. Just you have to get into thoughtless awareness and the whole library of knowledge can open to you. You know, so many of you have never been speaking on the stage, they had stage fear, and you have become great speakers. So many of you were possessed people who couldn’t even stand before Me, have now become leaders and are doing good job. In every field you will find that you have advanced so much. So many people who didn’t know how to sing have started singing, did not know how to paint have started painting. But these are very, very mundane things which may give us little pleasures here and there, but the main thing is how many people we give Realisation to. Whether you are a woman, whether you are man, whether you are a father, whether you are a mother, whether you are a child or a grown up. Everybody has to see how many people we can give Realisation to, how much we can announce about Sahaja Yoga. That’s the main thing. Sahaja Yoga is not by the way. And it happens. Like, when I went to Australia, I was surprised that Sahaja Yoga, which was such a prime thing for them, suddenly became by the way. So Sahaja Yoga is a commitment, is a commitment and complete involvement. Otherwise you are really useless for Sahaja Yoga, absolutely useless. It’s better to have few people who are committed than to have thousands who are just useless. So let us see what you have decided for yourself and what you have decided for Sahaja Yoga. If you have decided to opt for Sahaja Yoga, then just know that this is the main thing that you have to do. The whole attention should be on that. As I told this morning, a very good poem written by Namadeva and was included in the Guru Granth Sahib, that, “A boy is playing with his kite and the kite is flying in the air. He’s talking to everyone, but his attention is on the kite. There’s a lady who’s doing all the household work. She is doing all the cleaning, but the child is on her, on her back or on her waist. All her attention is on the child. Then there are ladies who are taking water home. There’s a water pitcher on their heads, sometimes two, sometimes three. They’re carrying, balancing it. They’re talking to each other, laughing, but the whole attention is on the balance.” In the same way, your attention should be all the time be on Sahaja Yoga - “What’s happening in Sahaja Yoga? Where are we? Where are we going? Where is Mother? What part She is? What is She doing?” That is, now, if you put your attention to, your negativity will absolutely disappear because attention which was involved into negative things will get absolutely detached and you start thinking about Sahaja Yoga. So now, as you are Maha Yogis, we have to make it a Mahayoga. And unless and until that level is achieved by you, then we should think that you are still backdated and I don't know, in the turning of the wheel, how many will be left there. So this is a very big turning point and today is a very great day for us because Sahasrara, today, has completed its twenty-one years and, like that, it has twenty-one aspects. Seven, the chakras. Seven into three of your nadis. So it’s twenty-one aspects you have been able to achieve and the twenty-one powers. You just experiment and see for yourself. Don't doubt yourself! Just experiment. First, you used to even doubt if there is cool breeze or not, used to think it’s an air conditioner working in London! Even [in] London (where nobody had air conditioners), they used to think there must be an air conditioner in their head! Now those days are gone. Now don't doubt yourself and you just go full ahead with all the maryadas of Sahaja Yoga. So the maryada has to be there. Except that the moral maryada and also of behavioural maryadas, there are not many maryadas in Sahaja Yoga. You can do what you like. You can live the way you like. You can eat the way you want to eat. But the main maryada is that you have to be very moral people, honest, moral people. And, also, you have to be, in a way, in appearance, in behaviour, such a person that you do not become obnoxious or people don't think that you are queer, strange people. To overcome that, we have to dress up in a way that is rather more appealing to the general public and people see us as normal human being and as not abnormal human beings. There's not much to be done outside. It is the inside where we’ll have to prepare ourselves fully, to accept ourselves. To tell ourselves every day that we are now Maha Yogis and we have to work it out that way. Today we have here people from all over the world and you go and tell this message to all the rest of the people, whom I have not met, that Mother has already announced, through the Vishnumaya also, that you have all become now Maha Yogis. And try to express that, manifest that with full confidence in yourself and with this power of love, I am sure you will all win over. May God bless you! There has been nothing written about Sahasrara before. In none of the scriptures Sahasrara is described. Nobody knew anything about Sahasrara. They just left it as the seventh chakra — finished. They could only go up to Agnya and nothing has been written about Sahasrara so far. And there is no mantras written about Sahasrara, so we have to now write Sahasrara mantra. It is very surprising that even the photographs of Sahasrara have appeared now for you to see that your Sahasraras are opening. And that is something [that] never happened before in the whole spiritual history and nobody could write about it because they never saw this Sahasrara. Now, for you, it is important to see that you have something so unique within you. But only thing what you need is a courage and a complete commitment to go forward with this propagation of Sahaja Yoga, announcement of Sahaja Yoga.

5/7/1990

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1990-0507 Public Program, Rome, Italy Please be seated. I bow to all the seekers of Truth. At a very outset we have to understand that Truth is what it is. We cannot organize it or imagine about it. But we have to unclear(treat) and knowing about your central nervous system. You can see clearly that I am very unclear() see with your eyes. but for an animal, he, what his understands is very limited quietly a human being has much greater sensitivity. To smell, taste, color everything. At human level we understand many things much more than animals but because of the evolutionary process. And this evolutionary process is a living process. It is not a process which is just a thought of imagined of but it is a living process. In the same way if we have to ascend, if we have to become a higher being, if we have to know the Truth, then this evolutionary process should give us that special status. At human level you cannot feel the Truth. People believe that this is the Truth, that is the Truth. Then there should be no fight, there should be no quarrel if its Absolute Truth. But like blind people holding an elephant is climbing differently people who believe that this is the Truth are doing the same thing. If this is the Truth, then universally everybody must accept it. And that is the reason we find that people are quarreling about things which is falsehood. So first we have to raise to that state where we can all feel the same Truth. All the scriptures, all the religions have said one thing for common that you must seek the eternal and whatever is transitory is to be used with full understanding. All the religions have said that you must seek yourself first of all. But how many are doing that? None of them. They are all just believing that this is the truth, and they don’t want to seek the real Truth. They are formed organizations, huge, big congregations all like blind people unclear(12:40) themselves. So first we must seek ourselves. And that is to get your self-realization. We have come from ameba to the stage spontaneously like if sow a seed and it powers spontaneously. In the same way if you have to raise to a higher state then it has to be spontaneous. That is what sahaja is. Saha ja, saha means with, ja means born. Born within you. Is the right of yoga means the union with the Divine power. Now the truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these emotions, but you are the Spirit. And the another truth is that there is a unclear (14:57) divine power which is unclear (15:03) all the unclear(15:04). Unless and until you become the Spirit, you cannot feel the Divine power. The Divine power that is created us had made us unclear (15:33) human beings. This is the power which works out for our benevolence - physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. And we have within us a power which can connect us to this Divine power. That power is called as a Kundalini in the Sanskrit language. Kundal means the coils. Because this coiled up and placed in our sacrum bone. Now sacrum means sacred. That means that great Greeks new that is a sacred bone. Now this is the arrangement within us already existing in every one of us and this connection once established, you get all the benevolence and all the blessings of the Divine power. Now this is a living process, and you can’t pay for that. Most of the organization that talk about Truth had religion are money oriented. You cannot pay for it. The Divine doesn’t understand your money or your banks. Doesn’t. It doesn’t understand what position you are having have. Also, it doesn’t understand what place you love, what country you love. It only knows that you are a human being, and you have a right to ascend. But if you are satisfied with whatever you are living with, that it has no interest in you. But if you want to be a higher personality, to be above all diseases, above all tensions, above all worldly nonsensical problems then it helps. And these are the special category of people. Everybody in this world is seeking something. But those who seek the Truth get everything, automatically everything works out. Because this Divine power is extremely powerful. It thinks, it organizes, and the blessings are so much you that feel you are already in the Kingdom of God. You don’t have to give up anything, you don’t have to give up your family, you don’t have to give up any life individual living but from inside you will see this connection. It is the happening which is inside yourself. There are many books which have come out saying that Kundalini awakening is very difficult, and people have all kinds of problems with that. But actually, Kundalini is your Mother. Everybody’s individual Mother. And it looks after you when you want to have your second birth. And she knows everything about you. And there is no harm nothing happens but you feel peaceful and unclear(22:53). And you become dynamic, and you become extremely compassionate. And this compassion acts and you can give realizations to others. You get that power to give realization to others. All these things are within yourself. They are your own. Only thing is that enlighten light can enlighten another light. And once you are enlightened, you can also enlighten other people. And you cannot force it on them. You have to actually ask and then it works out. Today is the introduction and there are so many things to be said and tomorrow I will speak much more. But today I would like you to ask some questions. But now I am not here in anyway to take away anything from you. I don’t want anything from you. I have come here to give you what you have. And so there is no need to be aggressive. So please me questions it will be good idea to spend some time today on the questions and then we’ll have about ten minutes to raise your Kundalini to give your self-realization. This is the knowledge of your roots. The western civilization has grown like a tree. But we must find out our roots. And this knowledge once you know, you can nourish the tree very well. But you have to have a very open mind. Think it to be a hypothesis before you by a scientist and then when it's proved as a honest people you have to accept it. So, I would like to have some questions from you. Question(28:14): … he was reading Bhagavad-Gita unclear(28:18) by Lord Krishna (28:23) and if they don’t achieve in this life, then the next life they will unclear(28:32) to achieve it. Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s Spirit fact. But now, life has it has come to a stage where you have to achieve it. Krishna said this, six thousand years back. Unclear(). Please standup. Question: She says, she is unclear(29:22) believing in Christ. Does sahaja yoga can help her best? Shri Mataji: Of course unclear(29:28), Christ is the gate through which we have to pass. But you see we don’t know much about Christ till you get to sahaja yoga. He has said it that you have to be born again. So, people like the certificate if you are born again. Even you believe it twice, you don’t know it. But after sahaja yoga you will know Him very well. Alright? Question: What do you mean by Truth? Shri Mataji: What do you mean by? Translator: Truth Shri Mataji: I just now told that Truth is that you are the Spirit and that there is the all-pervading power which looks after this. We are in the transiency. Still, we have not achieved that state. Once you achieve that state, then we know the Truth on our fingertips. Because Spirit is the universal being within us. And Spirit is the source of Absolute Truth. So, when you become the Spirit, all those who become the Spirit will say the same thing. Supposing there are ten children who are realized souls and you tie their eyes. And if you put somebody before them and ask them what is the problem with his gentleman, they will all raise one finger or two fingers showing the problem. So, these, these are five, six and seven centers on the right hands side or the physical and the mental side. And the left one unclear(33:27) on the emotional side. And you can feel the centers of other person on your fingertips. Because when you become a realized soul, you achieve a sate which we call it as a collective consciousness on your central nervous system. You can also feel the all-pervading power as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost on your fingertips. And also, you can feel the cool breeze out of your own fontanelle bone area which is the actualization of your baptism. Actualization. It is not just somebody putting the water on your head and say that you are baptized. Its an actualization. Because Kundalini is the reflection of the Holy Ghost which is the Primordial Mother. They talk about the Father and the Son God and the Mother, they don’t talk. Mother is the Holy Ghost. She exists within us as a pure desire as Kundalini. Alright, now we have another question please. Question: He was reading yesterday a book where it say can we (we can) get mental with Kundalini awakening without any other master. Shri Mataji: No. no, it is not the master that you need. But you need somebody who is already enlightened person. Because supposing there is a candle which is not enlightened. You need another enlightened candle to enlighten it. All such people who tried these things suffer from all kinds of problems because they face a wrath, a wrath on their sympathetic nervous system. and that’s why they say that Kundalini awakening is very difficult. But once you are enlightened, you can also enlighten others. All kinds of things are unclear (38:31) but who has given realizations so far. And they do not also say that they cannot give realization even they cannot. And they are so unclear (39:00) that they don’t want to get realizations and they frighten you and tell you all kinds of stories. So, one should not be satisfied with anything, except you get your realization and see it for yourself. As you know very well that there are so many cheats. Even in the name of God, they are cheating people. What we have to see is our benevolence. We have to see what we get out of it. I am a Mother, so just say that you should unclear(40:18). Yes please stand up. Question: I want to ask you advice for someone like me who a self-fearing of enlightenment but wants to be enlighten but is finding very very hard against attachment to physical pleasures and sensuality and is finding very very hard to unclear(41:10) I want very much to resolve that terrible terrible conflict. Shri Mataji: What he said? Translator: He said he had unclear(to find the enlightenment/frightened of enlightenment) but still he has very attachment to mundane things like sensuality... Shri Mataji: See enlightenment has to be clearcut you just don’t believe if suddenly unclear(42:00) I only question you should really say that I must get truthfully what is the real enlightenment? you are a seeker out and out. No doubt you are a seeker, but the enlightenment is so clear cut. So clear cut. You understand? It’s so clear cut. It’s not half baked. Of course, first when you get your realization now take you may feel the cool breeze alright, you may feel the out of your head but it has to be established. No doubt. But gradually when we are moving it will be amazed how you get transformation. And some in people I have seen that at the first shot they become so enlightened really surprised some of them are. Specially Russia I was surprised. Russians have really surprised me the most. They have very unclear(44:14) of many things religion, leading this that nonsense. Absolutely clean saints. Of course about forty percent I am quite unclear(44:40) and they want American jeans and this that. But most of them are the one I meant tremendous personalities. And they have called me again the embassy itself I mean the government itself have seen our results - medical and educational results. And has even us an independent identity which they have not given to any foreign organization. And Gorbachev itself is a realized soul. And these stupid fundamentalists who are blind unclear(46:13) and are so stupid what have they got? What have they got? What have they found? Stupid people. Question: He says that according to Jesus enlightenment has to come from unclear(47:45) Shri Mataji: and the grace comes from the top. But first you should be correct. First you should be correct then then the grace comes. Christ has talked about the grace. See he did only for four years in a way. And what can we do in four years. In a way. He spoke only for four years, and four years is no time to work it out. And they crucified him. Four years I was struggling with several hippies in London. And even now you will be surprised I have been working for eighteen years. We are working in forty countries now unclear(49:18) but how we could have here. How many there are moving about, how many are there look at it. Unclear(49:25) .So, we cannot say what Christ could not say but one has to say more and unclear (expelling/expending) him. And you believe in Bible, and you believe in Christ because you born as a Christian, but you don’t believe in it because of the fought of the Truth. Like a Muslims believe in the Quran in their religion because they have born in it. It’s not the brain to know about the religion you have to be born again to unclear(50:27). Now you put little test say I was myself born in Christian family. And Christ has said ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’. How many Christians have got that kind of an eye? You may read any scripture. You may read any book of knowledge. You may follow any religion, any God whatever you may call yourself. Anybody get unclear(51:32) say. That means all these beliefs has no hold on you. We are not transformed. A Christian can murder, a Hindu can murder, a Muslim can murder, anybody can murder, jews can murder. So, these are all artificial brands. It has not penetrated through your nervous system. But after sahaja yoga we get penetrated into your nervous system. Over night people have given up drugs. Over night. They follow all religions, but they are sick. If you are following a religion that’s reality you should not be sick. You should be healthy. So, these beliefs are just mental imaginations. Because no relationship is reality. Religion has to be born within you. Has to be enlightened within you. And that is what we have to face the truth of ourselves. And if you are honest, if you are really honest, you will find out that you are the Spirit. But if you are honest just seeking unclear(54:27) fall at your feet unclear(54:30). You have to seek. Knowing that so far you have not found the truth. Reading any amount of books or anything, its not going to give you. If you want to know about Christians, go and ask Jews. And if you want to know about the Jews ask the Christians. And if you want to know about Muslims ask Hindus. And about the Hindus ask the unclear(55:34). They know all the difference of other people not on their own. So, the best thing is we should seek our own self-realization first and know the truth. That is what it is. That we have to know, and we have to achieve our self-realization. Because this is our own property. And we should not live with myths. But we should achieve our own thing that within us. All there unclear(don’t/without) knowingly. I will tell a story that supposing you take a say a television to a very remote corner of some village. They never seen a television and you tell that if I see all kinds of beautiful pictures in this. They say that what this is just an ordinary box. (Discontinued Video.,) How great and glorious you are. Now I hope you are all ready to get your realization. Comment from Audience: He says that he is very convinced about what you said. Shri Mataji: May God bless you for that. May God bless you. Very happy to know that. May God bless you. I hope everyone of you just seek your realization first. First seek your realization. Please be seated, sit down. See. Now you see there are so many lights. Right? And if I have to tell you electricity, light and everything, it’s a headache. But it is all built in. so you have to use one switch and it will come. The one who has the idea of switch can do it. The one who has the idea of switch can do it. Unclear(58:50) So, first get the light then this knowledge is limitless. If you are so enlightened, that you will be amazed at yourself but now don’t doubt yourself. I know that some of you are doubting that you may not get your realization. Please don’t judge yourself. Your Kundalini knows you very well. Have faith in yourself unclear(really/verily). Now it will take only ten minutes for the whole process. But those who want to have only should be in the hall, those who do not want to have I cannot force it on you. I asked you to ask questions so that there are no more of mental problem with you but now its over, so you forget the past. First and fore most condition is that you must forgive yourself. Don’t believe when people tell you that you are a sinner. Don’t feel guilty. That is past finished. You have to be in the present. Afterall we are human beings and only human beings can make mistakes not the Gods. So please don’t feel guilty. Those who tell you: you are sinners are crooks. They must be greater sinners. But I will tell you please forgive yourself. Actually, you have to really love yourself in the sense you must know you are human being, and you are a seeker. And the second condition is very simple is to forgive everyone totally. You may say it is very difficult to forgive. But logically whether you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything. What you do? But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands and torture yourself. So don’t think whom to forgive but in general you just forgive everyone. And you have to be pleasantly placed towards at yourself. Pleasantly placed. Lady from the Audience: Translator: She says it’s not easy.Shri Mataji: It’s very easy madam. Forgive. Just say I forgive. To say that doesn’t take much. By not saying or by saying you don’t do anything actually. Just say it. Alright. So today I am going to work it out in such a way that you can later on also can nourish your own centers. I have to make a very humble request that you have to takeout your shoes because you take help of the Mother Earth. And now put both the feet apart from each other. Question from Audience: Unclear() Shri Mataji: Alright, we are doing to follow, you write it down your questions please and I will answer them tomorrow. Alright? any question, send. Because it is endless. Now you have to be relaxed. Just. But you should not sort of bend or stretch yourself. You have to be in a comfortable seat. And put both your feet apart from each other. Because you unclear(1:06:04) that these are two different powers. Now, will work through our left-hand side with our right-hand. And left-hand you put towards me symbolic that this is the power of your desire. So, you desire to have your realization. Even if you have understood my lecture or you did not understand there is no difference. Even you forget about the lecturer. You will have to close your eyes when I tell you. But just now I will tell you how you will have to nourish your different centers. Now put your left-hand like this on your lap. And you have to use your right hand now on the left-hand side. So first you put it on your heat. Its like a hope you get it. In the heart resides the Spirit. And if you are a spirit, you are your own master - your own guru. Now you take the right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. You have to move it on the left-hand side. This is the center of your mastery. This is created by great prophets and masters. Now you take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Now this is the center of pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system. That means you can feel the Truth - the all-pervading power on your fingertips. Alright, now raise again your hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on your left-hand side. Now we have to take it back to your heart again. Now you have to put your right-hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn neck to your right. And this is the center which is caught when you feel guilty. And I think in Rome or gambol of Italy has this problem. And this center is caught up. And when this center is caught up, you get diseases like Spondylitis and Angina. And if you have been smoking, you feel guilty and you catch it. Now you have to take your hand now on top of your forehead and bend your neck as far as possible and press it on both sides. Now this is the center where you have to forgive everyone. Now then you have to take your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Now here you have to say that ‘Oh Divine please forgive me’ without thinking about what wrong you have done. And not counting the mistakes. Just for your satisfaction. Now stretch your hand fully and please place the center of your palm on top of your fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone on the top of your head in your childhood. Now put down your head, you have to bend your neck as far as you can. Push back your fingers so that you can press nicely on the scalp of the head. Now move the scalp, the scalp by pushing all fingers back and betters. And now seven times you just try to move it clockwise. Alright that how we have to do. Now I will request you to make yourself comfortable. If you have ties on your neck or the base you can just loosen it. And you can takeout your spectacles. You will have to close your eyes now unclear(1:14:41). Now please put your left-hand towards me like this. And both of your legs away from each other. And now close your eyes and don’t open them till I tell you. Take your right=hand on your heart. Here you have to ask me a very fundamental question. You may call me Mother or you may call me Shri Mataji. Now you please ask me a question: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ ask this question three times, close your eyes, three times, say that three times. Say that. Now if you are the Spirit, you are your master, you are your guru, you are your guide. So now take your hand on the upper part of your abdomen on your left-hand side and press it hard with your fingers. Here now you ask another fundamental question: ‘Mother, am I my own Master?’ ask this question three times. Now I respect your freedom. I cannot force on you the pure knowledge. You have to ask for it. So now take down your right-hand on the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. And now here you ask for pure knowledge by saying six times because this center has got six petals: ‘Mother, please give me pure knowledge’. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising. So, we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. Now take your right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard. Now here, you have to say, ten times with full confidence: ‘Mother, I am my own Master’. I have told you on the very out said that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your emotions, you are not your imaginations, but you are the spirit. So now, raise your hand to your heart, and with full confidence again you have to say the greatest truth about yourself: ‘Mother, I am the Spirit’ say it twelve times. Now, the Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love. It is the ocean of peace and blessings. but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. So, whatever you might have committed, it can dissolve all your mistakes. It is a very powerful forgiving power. So now, please raise your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. And with full confidence say it sixteen times: ‘Mother, I am not guilty at all’ say it sixteen times. I have already told you that you have to forgive everyone totally. This is very important. Because it’s a myth when you don’t forgive. But if you don’t forgive then, you play into wrong hands. And those people who want to torture you are very happy on the contrary you are torturing yourself. Now please put your right-hand on your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now please put down your head properly. Here you have to say with full confidence not how many times but from you heart: ‘Mother, I forgive everyone totally’. By saying this you will feel very much lighter in your head. Press it on both the sides, put down your head properly. Now, take your hand on the backside of your head and push back your head on it as far as possible. Now here you have to say for your own satisfaction not feeling guilty: ‘Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me’ say it from your heart. Now stretch your right-hand fully and put your center of your palm on top of your head on the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head as much as possible. And now, again I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for your self-realization. Loudly. Now push back your fingers as much as you can and press it hard your scalp and move it seven times clockwise saying: ‘Mother, please give me my self-realization’. Push back your fingers, push back your fingers. Put a proper pressure. Now take down your hands please and open your eyes please. Slowly. Put both the hands towards me like this. Now bend your head and put your right-hand towards me and with the left-hand you see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanelle bone area from your head. Keep it away from the head. Not on the top. Some people get it quite far away and please don’t doubt it. Now, please bend your head, please bend your head. Now put the left-hand towards me. Again, bend your head and see for yourself with the right-hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, once again you will have to put the right hand towards me and bend your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now watch me, watch me without thinking. Can you do that? Put your hands like this, just put your hands like this. Watch me without thinking. (Discontinued video.,) ‘… of the Holy Ghost, Mother is this the all-pervading power of God’s love?’ ask anyone of these questions three times. Ask three times. Now please take down your hands. Those who are felt, you didn’t feel? You didn’t feel it? You been to gurus I think. Will work it out. Please raise again. I couldn’t see you. Just raise it all those who have felt it. Most of you. Most of you. Thank you very much. There are very few who have not felt. Very few. But the reason is maybe they have been to some other gurus before. Some masters in their seeking. Or maybe something which will work it out those who have not felt the cool breeze can easily raise your hands I think sahaja yogis can easily work it out. You can come up please. (Discontinued video.,) Shri Mataji talks to the people who did not feel the cool breeze.

1990-0507 Public Program, Rome, Italy Please be seated. I bow to all the seekers of Truth. At a very outset we have to understand that Truth is what it is. We cannot organize it or imagine about it. But we have to unclear(treat) and knowing about your central nervous system. You can see clearly that I am very unclear() see with your eyes. but for an animal, he, what his understands is very limited quietly a human being has much greater sensitivity. To smell, taste, color everything. At human level we understand many things much more than animals but because of the evolutionary process. And this evolutionary process is a living process. It is not a process which is just a thought of imagined of but it is a living process. In the same way if we have to ascend, if we have to become a higher being, if we have to know the Truth, then this evolutionary process should give us that special status. At human level you cannot feel the Truth. People believe that this is the Truth, that is the Truth. Then there should be no fight, there should be no quarrel if its Absolute Truth. But like blind people holding an elephant is climbing differently people who believe that this is the Truth are doing the same thing. If this is the Truth, then universally everybody must accept it. And that is the reason we find that people are quarreling about things which is falsehood. So first we have to raise to that state where we can all feel the same Truth. All the scriptures, all the religions have said one thing for common that you must seek the eternal and whatever is transitory is to be used with full understanding. All the religions have said that you must seek yourself first of all. But how many are doing that? None of them. They are all just believing that this is the truth, and they don’t want to seek the real Truth. They are formed organizations, huge, big congregations all like blind people unclear(12:40) themselves. So first we must seek ourselves. And that is to get your self-realization. We have come from ameba to the stage spontaneously like if sow a seed and it powers spontaneously. In the same way if you have to raise to a higher state then it has to be spontaneous. That is what sahaja is. Saha ja, saha means with, ja means born. Born within you. Is the right of yoga means the union with the Divine power. Now the truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these emotions, but you are the Spirit. And the another truth is that there is a unclear (14:57) divine power which is unclear (15:03) all the unclear(15:04). Unless and until you become the Spirit, you cannot feel the Divine power. The Divine power that is created us had made us unclear (15:33) human beings. This is the power which works out for our benevolence - physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. And we have within us a power which can connect us to this Divine power. That power is called as a Kundalini in the Sanskrit language. Kundal means the coils. Because this coiled up and placed in our sacrum bone. Now sacrum means sacred. That means that great Greeks new that is a sacred bone. Now this is the arrangement within us already existing in every one of us and this connection once established, you get all the benevolence and all the blessings of the Divine power. Now this is a living process, and you can’t pay for that. Most of the organization that talk about Truth had religion are money oriented. You cannot pay for it. The Divine doesn’t understand your money or your banks. Doesn’t. It doesn’t understand what position you are having have. Also, it doesn’t understand what place you love, what country you love. It only knows that you are a human being, and you have a right to ascend. But if you are satisfied with whatever you are living with, that it has no interest in you. But if you want to be a higher personality, to be above all diseases, above all tensions, above all worldly nonsensical problems then it helps. And these are the special category of people. Everybody in this world is seeking something. But those who seek the Truth get everything, automatically everything works out. Because this Divine power is extremely powerful. It thinks, it organizes, and the blessings are so much you that feel you are already in the Kingdom of God. You don’t have to give up anything, you don’t have to give up your family, you don’t have to give up any life individual living but from inside you will see this connection. It is the happening which is inside yourself. There are many books which have come out saying that Kundalini awakening is very difficult, and people have all kinds of problems with that. But actually, Kundalini is your Mother. Everybody’s individual Mother. And it looks after you when you want to have your second birth. And she knows everything about you. And there is no harm nothing happens but you feel peaceful and unclear(22:53). And you become dynamic, and you become extremely compassionate. And this compassion acts and you can give realizations to others. You get that power to give realization to others. All these things are within yourself. They are your own. Only thing is that enlighten light can enlighten another light. And once you are enlightened, you can also enlighten other people. And you cannot force it on them. You have to actually ask and then it works out. Today is the introduction and there are so many things to be said and tomorrow I will speak much more. But today I would like you to ask some questions. But now I am not here in anyway to take away anything from you. I don’t want anything from you. I have come here to give you what you have. And so there is no need to be aggressive. So please me questions it will be good idea to spend some time today on the questions and then we’ll have about ten minutes to raise your Kundalini to give your self-realization. This is the knowledge of your roots. The western civilization has grown like a tree. But we must find out our roots. And this knowledge once you know, you can nourish the tree very well. But you have to have a very open mind. Think it to be a hypothesis before you by a scientist and then when it's proved as a honest people you have to accept it. So, I would like to have some questions from you. Question(28:14): … he was reading Bhagavad-Gita unclear(28:18) by Lord Krishna (28:23) and if they don’t achieve in this life, then the next life they will unclear(28:32) to achieve it. Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s Spirit fact. But now, life has it has come to a stage where you have to achieve it. Krishna said this, six thousand years back. Unclear(). Please standup. Question: She says, she is unclear(29:22) believing in Christ. Does sahaja yoga can help her best? Shri Mataji: Of course unclear(29:28), Christ is the gate through which we have to pass. But you see we don’t know much about Christ till you get to sahaja yoga. He has said it that you have to be born again. So, people like the certificate if you are born again. Even you believe it twice, you don’t know it. But after sahaja yoga you will know Him very well. Alright? Question: What do you mean by Truth? Shri Mataji: What do you mean by? Translator: Truth Shri Mataji: I just now told that Truth is that you are the Spirit and that there is the all-pervading power which looks after this. We are in the transiency. Still, we have not achieved that state. Once you achieve that state, then we know the Truth on our fingertips. Because Spirit is the universal being within us. And Spirit is the source of Absolute Truth. So, when you become the Spirit, all those who become the Spirit will say the same thing. Supposing there are ten children who are realized souls and you tie their eyes. And if you put somebody before them and ask them what is the problem with his gentleman, they will all raise one finger or two fingers showing the problem. So, these, these are five, six and seven centers on the right hands side or the physical and the mental side. And the left one unclear(33:27) on the emotional side. And you can feel the centers of other person on your fingertips. Because when you become a realized soul, you achieve a sate which we call it as a collective consciousness on your central nervous system. You can also feel the all-pervading power as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost on your fingertips. And also, you can feel the cool breeze out of your own fontanelle bone area which is the actualization of your baptism. Actualization. It is not just somebody putting the water on your head and say that you are baptized. Its an actualization. Because Kundalini is the reflection of the Holy Ghost which is the Primordial Mother. They talk about the Father and the Son God and the Mother, they don’t talk. Mother is the Holy Ghost. She exists within us as a pure desire as Kundalini. Alright, now we have another question please. Question: He was reading yesterday a book where it say can we (we can) get mental with Kundalini awakening without any other master. Shri Mataji: No. no, it is not the master that you need. But you need somebody who is already enlightened person. Because supposing there is a candle which is not enlightened. You need another enlightened candle to enlighten it. All such people who tried these things suffer from all kinds of problems because they face a wrath, a wrath on their sympathetic nervous system. and that’s why they say that Kundalini awakening is very difficult. But once you are enlightened, you can also enlighten others. All kinds of things are unclear (38:31) but who has given realizations so far. And they do not also say that they cannot give realization even they cannot. And they are so unclear (39:00) that they don’t want to get realizations and they frighten you and tell you all kinds of stories. So, one should not be satisfied with anything, except you get your realization and see it for yourself. As you know very well that there are so many cheats. Even in the name of God, they are cheating people. What we have to see is our benevolence. We have to see what we get out of it. I am a Mother, so just say that you should unclear(40:18). Yes please stand up. Question: I want to ask you advice for someone like me who a self-fearing of enlightenment but wants to be enlighten but is finding very very hard against attachment to physical pleasures and sensuality and is finding very very hard to unclear(41:10) I want very much to resolve that terrible terrible conflict. Shri Mataji: What he said? Translator: He said he had unclear(to find the enlightenment/frightened of enlightenment) but still he has very attachment to mundane things like sensuality... Shri Mataji: See enlightenment has to be clearcut you just don’t believe if suddenly unclear(42:00) I only question you should really say that I must get truthfully what is the real enlightenment? you are a seeker out and out. No doubt you are a seeker, but the enlightenment is so clear cut. So clear cut. You understand? It’s so clear cut. It’s not half baked. Of course, first when you get your realization now take you may feel the cool breeze alright, you may feel the out of your head but it has to be established. No doubt. But gradually when we are moving it will be amazed how you get transformation. And some in people I have seen that at the first shot they become so enlightened really surprised some of them are. Specially Russia I was surprised. Russians have really surprised me the most. They have very unclear(44:14) of many things religion, leading this that nonsense. Absolutely clean saints. Of course about forty percent I am quite unclear(44:40) and they want American jeans and this that. But most of them are the one I meant tremendous personalities. And they have called me again the embassy itself I mean the government itself have seen our results - medical and educational results. And has even us an independent identity which they have not given to any foreign organization. And Gorbachev itself is a realized soul. And these stupid fundamentalists who are blind unclear(46:13) and are so stupid what have they got? What have they got? What have they found? Stupid people. Question: He says that according to Jesus enlightenment has to come from unclear(47:45) Shri Mataji: and the grace comes from the top. But first you should be correct. First you should be correct then then the grace comes. Christ has talked about the grace. See he did only for four years in a way. And what can we do in four years. In a way. He spoke only for four years, and four years is no time to work it out. And they crucified him. Four years I was struggling with several hippies in London. And even now you will be surprised I have been working for eighteen years. We are working in forty countries now unclear(49:18) but how we could have here. How many there are moving about, how many are there look at it. Unclear(49:25) .So, we cannot say what Christ could not say but one has to say more and unclear (expelling/expending) him. And you believe in Bible, and you believe in Christ because you born as a Christian, but you don’t believe in it because of the fought of the Truth. Like a Muslims believe in the Quran in their religion because they have born in it. It’s not the brain to know about the religion you have to be born again to unclear(50:27). Now you put little test say I was myself born in Christian family. And Christ has said ‘Thou shall not have adulterous eyes’. How many Christians have got that kind of an eye? You may read any scripture. You may read any book of knowledge. You may follow any religion, any God whatever you may call yourself. Anybody get unclear(51:32) say. That means all these beliefs has no hold on you. We are not transformed. A Christian can murder, a Hindu can murder, a Muslim can murder, anybody can murder, jews can murder. So, these are all artificial brands. It has not penetrated through your nervous system. But after sahaja yoga we get penetrated into your nervous system. Over night people have given up drugs. Over night. They follow all religions, but they are sick. If you are following a religion that’s reality you should not be sick. You should be healthy. So, these beliefs are just mental imaginations. Because no relationship is reality. Religion has to be born within you. Has to be enlightened within you. And that is what we have to face the truth of ourselves. And if you are honest, if you are really honest, you will find out that you are the Spirit. But if you are honest just seeking unclear(54:27) fall at your feet unclear(54:30). You have to seek. Knowing that so far you have not found the truth. Reading any amount of books or anything, its not going to give you. If you want to know about Christians, go and ask Jews. And if you want to know about the Jews ask the Christians. And if you want to know about Muslims ask Hindus. And about the Hindus ask the unclear(55:34). They know all the difference of other people not on their own. So, the best thing is we should seek our own self-realization first and know the truth. That is what it is. That we have to know, and we have to achieve our self-realization. Because this is our own property. And we should not live with myths. But we should achieve our own thing that within us. All there unclear(don’t/without) knowingly. I will tell a story that supposing you take a say a television to a very remote corner of some village. They never seen a television and you tell that if I see all kinds of beautiful pictures in this. They say that what this is just an ordinary box. (Discontinued Video.,) How great and glorious you are. Now I hope you are all ready to get your realization. Comment from Audience: He says that he is very convinced about what you said. Shri Mataji: May God bless you for that. May God bless you. Very happy to know that. May God bless you. I hope everyone of you just seek your realization first. First seek your realization. Please be seated, sit down. See. Now you see there are so many lights. Right? And if I have to tell you electricity, light and everything, it’s a headache. But it is all built in. so you have to use one switch and it will come. The one who has the idea of switch can do it. The one who has the idea of switch can do it. Unclear(58:50) So, first get the light then this knowledge is limitless. If you are so enlightened, that you will be amazed at yourself but now don’t doubt yourself. I know that some of you are doubting that you may not get your realization. Please don’t judge yourself. Your Kundalini knows you very well. Have faith in yourself unclear(really/verily). Now it will take only ten minutes for the whole process. But those who want to have only should be in the hall, those who do not want to have I cannot force it on you. I asked you to ask questions so that there are no more of mental problem with you but now its over, so you forget the past. First and fore most condition is that you must forgive yourself. Don’t believe when people tell you that you are a sinner. Don’t feel guilty. That is past finished. You have to be in the present. Afterall we are human beings and only human beings can make mistakes not the Gods. So please don’t feel guilty. Those who tell you: you are sinners are crooks. They must be greater sinners. But I will tell you please forgive yourself. Actually, you have to really love yourself in the sense you must know you are human being, and you are a seeker. And the second condition is very simple is to forgive everyone totally. You may say it is very difficult to forgive. But logically whether you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything. What you do? But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands and torture yourself. So don’t think whom to forgive but in general you just forgive everyone. And you have to be pleasantly placed towards at yourself. Pleasantly placed. Lady from the Audience: Translator: She says it’s not easy.Shri Mataji: It’s very easy madam. Forgive. Just say I forgive. To say that doesn’t take much. By not saying or by saying you don’t do anything actually. Just say it. Alright. So today I am going to work it out in such a way that you can later on also can nourish your own centers. I have to make a very humble request that you have to takeout your shoes because you take help of the Mother Earth. And now put both the feet apart from each other. Question from Audience: Unclear() Shri Mataji: Alright, we are doing to follow, you write it down your questions please and I will answer them tomorrow. Alright? any question, send. Because it is endless. Now you have to be relaxed. Just. But you should not sort of bend or stretch yourself. You have to be in a comfortable seat. And put both your feet apart from each other. Because you unclear(1:06:04) that these are two different powers. Now, will work through our left-hand side with our right-hand. And left-hand you put towards me symbolic that this is the power of your desire. So, you desire to have your realization. Even if you have understood my lecture or you did not understand there is no difference. Even you forget about the lecturer. You will have to close your eyes when I tell you. But just now I will tell you how you will have to nourish your different centers. Now put your left-hand like this on your lap. And you have to use your right hand now on the left-hand side. So first you put it on your heat. Its like a hope you get it. In the heart resides the Spirit. And if you are a spirit, you are your own master - your own guru. Now you take the right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. You have to move it on the left-hand side. This is the center of your mastery. This is created by great prophets and masters. Now you take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Now this is the center of pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system. That means you can feel the Truth - the all-pervading power on your fingertips. Alright, now raise again your hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on your left-hand side. Now we have to take it back to your heart again. Now you have to put your right-hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn neck to your right. And this is the center which is caught when you feel guilty. And I think in Rome or gambol of Italy has this problem. And this center is caught up. And when this center is caught up, you get diseases like Spondylitis and Angina. And if you have been smoking, you feel guilty and you catch it. Now you have to take your hand now on top of your forehead and bend your neck as far as possible and press it on both sides. Now this is the center where you have to forgive everyone. Now then you have to take your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Now here you have to say that ‘Oh Divine please forgive me’ without thinking about what wrong you have done. And not counting the mistakes. Just for your satisfaction. Now stretch your hand fully and please place the center of your palm on top of your fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone on the top of your head in your childhood. Now put down your head, you have to bend your neck as far as you can. Push back your fingers so that you can press nicely on the scalp of the head. Now move the scalp, the scalp by pushing all fingers back and betters. And now seven times you just try to move it clockwise. Alright that how we have to do. Now I will request you to make yourself comfortable. If you have ties on your neck or the base you can just loosen it. And you can takeout your spectacles. You will have to close your eyes now unclear(1:14:41). Now please put your left-hand towards me like this. And both of your legs away from each other. And now close your eyes and don’t open them till I tell you. Take your right=hand on your heart. Here you have to ask me a very fundamental question. You may call me Mother or you may call me Shri Mataji. Now you please ask me a question: ‘Mother, am I the Spirit?’ ask this question three times, close your eyes, three times, say that three times. Say that. Now if you are the Spirit, you are your master, you are your guru, you are your guide. So now take your hand on the upper part of your abdomen on your left-hand side and press it hard with your fingers. Here now you ask another fundamental question: ‘Mother, am I my own Master?’ ask this question three times. Now I respect your freedom. I cannot force on you the pure knowledge. You have to ask for it. So now take down your right-hand on the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. And now here you ask for pure knowledge by saying six times because this center has got six petals: ‘Mother, please give me pure knowledge’. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising. So, we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. Now take your right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard. Now here, you have to say, ten times with full confidence: ‘Mother, I am my own Master’. I have told you on the very out said that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your emotions, you are not your imaginations, but you are the spirit. So now, raise your hand to your heart, and with full confidence again you have to say the greatest truth about yourself: ‘Mother, I am the Spirit’ say it twelve times. Now, the Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love. It is the ocean of peace and blessings. but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. So, whatever you might have committed, it can dissolve all your mistakes. It is a very powerful forgiving power. So now, please raise your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. And with full confidence say it sixteen times: ‘Mother, I am not guilty at all’ say it sixteen times. I have already told you that you have to forgive everyone totally. This is very important. Because it’s a myth when you don’t forgive. But if you don’t forgive then, you play into wrong hands. And those people who want to torture you are very happy on the contrary you are torturing yourself. Now please put your right-hand on your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now please put down your head properly. Here you have to say with full confidence not how many times but from you heart: ‘Mother, I forgive everyone totally’. By saying this you will feel very much lighter in your head. Press it on both the sides, put down your head properly. Now, take your hand on the backside of your head and push back your head on it as far as possible. Now here you have to say for your own satisfaction not feeling guilty: ‘Oh Divine, if I have done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me’ say it from your heart. Now stretch your right-hand fully and put your center of your palm on top of your head on the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head as much as possible. And now, again I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for your self-realization. Loudly. Now push back your fingers as much as you can and press it hard your scalp and move it seven times clockwise saying: ‘Mother, please give me my self-realization’. Push back your fingers, push back your fingers. Put a proper pressure. Now take down your hands please and open your eyes please. Slowly. Put both the hands towards me like this. Now bend your head and put your right-hand towards me and with the left-hand you see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanelle bone area from your head. Keep it away from the head. Not on the top. Some people get it quite far away and please don’t doubt it. Now, please bend your head, please bend your head. Now put the left-hand towards me. Again, bend your head and see for yourself with the right-hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, once again you will have to put the right hand towards me and bend your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now watch me, watch me without thinking. Can you do that? Put your hands like this, just put your hands like this. Watch me without thinking. (Discontinued video.,) ‘… of the Holy Ghost, Mother is this the all-pervading power of God’s love?’ ask anyone of these questions three times. Ask three times. Now please take down your hands. Those who are felt, you didn’t feel? You didn’t feel it? You been to gurus I think. Will work it out. Please raise again. I couldn’t see you. Just raise it all those who have felt it. Most of you. Most of you. Thank you very much. There are very few who have not felt. Very few. But the reason is maybe they have been to some other gurus before. Some masters in their seeking. Or maybe something which will work it out those who have not felt the cool breeze can easily raise your hands I think sahaja yogis can easily work it out. You can come up please. (Discontinued video.,) Shri Mataji talks to the people who did not feel the cool breeze.

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Mother’s Day Celebration, Short talk on creativity and Shri Mataji playing harmonium

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Mother's Day Celebrations

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1990-05-10 Mother's day at Nirmala House: Creativity (21.59) Today is mother's day and I think this country has tremendous respect for mothers and mothers are also very loving in this country. It is very fortunate to be here on such a day, as Mother's Day. Today we went out to see how Italy has become so creative and the mother earth gives you the creativity. She gives you. You learn from her how beautiful things she has produced and you try to reproduce it. But if you are not aware of the beauty, it is such a pure thing around you, you cannot be a good artist. Then you take to vulgar things. Things which are very cheapish, which have no value. But people who have the feeling of oneness with the mother earth try to make things to express their joy, that they are feeling from the beauty she has created. In the same way, you are also so exuberant with love and affection. I haven't done much for you, I don't think so. You may think so. I don't know. But only thing that really binds us is our love. Together. And this love is not blind love. So this love is the truth. This love is not only the truth, but is the knowledge. If you love somebody you know everything about the person. It is so deep and you know another person through your kundalini. It is so subtle that you get knowledge about another person. And that is the greatest joy to enjoy others. When that enjoyment starts within you. When you start enjoying other Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis, forgetting what your caste, what your religion, what are race, what your family and what your countries you come from. Then one must say that Sahaja Yoga has worked on you really and you are a real Sahaja Yogi. But (if) you cannot enjoy, then definitely something is wrong somewhere. So this is a sign that you are a Sahaja Yogi. Moreover, collectivity if you cannot enjoy, then definitely there is something wrong. If you start criticising others and finding faults with others and all the time thinking about your own comforts and your own moods then you are not yet a Sahaja Yogi. Because once personality has become one with the ocean of love, then you lose all those petty things which have kept you away from joy and this are all joy-killing things and one should not ever stick on to them. Now we have left all that and we have come to a new life, specially after the Sahasrara Day you must be feeling that something has changed definitely everywhere. And a big change is going to be there, I am sure among human beings also. Now you will get lots of people here for follow-on. So try to understand that you also had the problems when you had come to Sahaja Yoga. and if they had problems you should not shoot-out with the ideas that they are possessed, they are this, they are that. But it in gentle loving manner, try to treat them. I would say that for every follow-on you should have something to eat also. Very good idea. Vibrate it and give it to them so that their Nabhi gets alright. Let them feel that you are loving, compassionate people. And just from the very beginning, you should not start telling them of about their bad habits. Gradually most of them will learn and they have learnt. And things are going to work out. I expect now don't shoot, come up very well. Because the experiences of Perugia has told me that are beautiful places around those and you can always do one of them every month and you will lots of people who are really seekers of truth and even in Rome I think that are very nice seekers, very new people have come. But only how you deal with them is important. Again I am coming back to Rome. I don't what date? (talking to a Sahaja yogi) Eight of June. (Applause) And then we will meet some new people over here. Before that, if you can arrange some programmes outside Rome then it will be a good idea. Thank you very much. (talks in Hindi referring to a child who comes to kiss Shri Mataji) So again I want to thank you all for conducting so well, such a large gathering of people who come for Sahasrara Day. Sahasrara Day is the most important day for us. And somehow this time there were so many people and all of them went very happy. With happy memories about you. You have been very sacrificing, sensible and hospitable and they have told me that Mother you also thank them on our behalf. So Thank you all of you here, specially Giulio, who has done it so beautifully and all the rest of you who have done so much. I am sorry the bangles that we got for you, by mistake, have gone to London. Doesn't matter. Next Time. So may God bless you all. So would you like to sing.. Informal conversation (A Sahaja Yogi then thanks Shri Mataji for doing everything and allowing the Sahaja Yogis to enjoy.) It was too much, how you all are going to manage, but it was done very well, very well done. Everybody enjoyed thoroughly. Unexpectedly so many people came. You could have some nice music now

1990-05-10 Mother's day at Nirmala House: Creativity (21.59) Today is mother's day and I think this country has tremendous respect for mothers and mothers are also very loving in this country. It is very fortunate to be here on such a day, as Mother's Day. Today we went out to see how Italy has become so creative and the mother earth gives you the creativity. She gives you. You learn from her how beautiful things she has produced and you try to reproduce it. But if you are not aware of the beauty, it is such a pure thing around you, you cannot be a good artist. Then you take to vulgar things. Things which are very cheapish, which have no value. But people who have the feeling of oneness with the mother earth try to make things to express their joy, that they are feeling from the beauty she has created. In the same way, you are also so exuberant with love and affection. I haven't done much for you, I don't think so. You may think so. I don't know. But only thing that really binds us is our love. Together. And this love is not blind love. So this love is the truth. This love is not only the truth, but is the knowledge. If you love somebody you know everything about the person. It is so deep and you know another person through your kundalini. It is so subtle that you get knowledge about another person. And that is the greatest joy to enjoy others. When that enjoyment starts within you. When you start enjoying other Sahaja Yogis and Sahaja Yoginis, forgetting what your caste, what your religion, what are race, what your family and what your countries you come from. Then one must say that Sahaja Yoga has worked on you really and you are a real Sahaja Yogi. But (if) you cannot enjoy, then definitely something is wrong somewhere. So this is a sign that you are a Sahaja Yogi. Moreover, collectivity if you cannot enjoy, then definitely there is something wrong. If you start criticising others and finding faults with others and all the time thinking about your own comforts and your own moods then you are not yet a Sahaja Yogi. Because once personality has become one with the ocean of love, then you lose all those petty things which have kept you away from joy and this are all joy-killing things and one should not ever stick on to them. Now we have left all that and we have come to a new life, specially after the Sahasrara Day you must be feeling that something has changed definitely everywhere. And a big change is going to be there, I am sure among human beings also. Now you will get lots of people here for follow-on. So try to understand that you also had the problems when you had come to Sahaja Yoga. and if they had problems you should not shoot-out with the ideas that they are possessed, they are this, they are that. But it in gentle loving manner, try to treat them. I would say that for every follow-on you should have something to eat also. Very good idea. Vibrate it and give it to them so that their Nabhi gets alright. Let them feel that you are loving, compassionate people. And just from the very beginning, you should not start telling them of about their bad habits. Gradually most of them will learn and they have learnt. And things are going to work out. I expect now don't shoot, come up very well. Because the experiences of Perugia has told me that are beautiful places around those and you can always do one of them every month and you will lots of people who are really seekers of truth and even in Rome I think that are very nice seekers, very new people have come. But only how you deal with them is important. Again I am coming back to Rome. I don't what date? (talking to a Sahaja yogi) Eight of June. (Applause) And then we will meet some new people over here. Before that, if you can arrange some programmes outside Rome then it will be a good idea. Thank you very much. (talks in Hindi referring to a child who comes to kiss Shri Mataji) So again I want to thank you all for conducting so well, such a large gathering of people who come for Sahasrara Day. Sahasrara Day is the most important day for us. And somehow this time there were so many people and all of them went very happy. With happy memories about you. You have been very sacrificing, sensible and hospitable and they have told me that Mother you also thank them on our behalf. So Thank you all of you here, specially Giulio, who has done it so beautifully and all the rest of you who have done so much. I am sorry the bangles that we got for you, by mistake, have gone to London. Doesn't matter. Next Time. So may God bless you all. So would you like to sing.. Informal conversation (A Sahaja Yogi then thanks Shri Mataji for doing everything and allowing the Sahaja Yogis to enjoy.) It was too much, how you all are going to manage, but it was done very well, very well done. Everybody enjoyed thoroughly. Unexpectedly so many people came. You could have some nice music now

5/14/1990

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Shri Buddha Puja: You must learn how to bear the freedom

Russia

Leningrad

Draft

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Buddha

English

Shri Buddha Puja, May 14th, 1990, St Peterburg, Russia As you know Sahaja Yoga is not an organised or that kind of an organisation. Because it’s a living process and all those who come to Sahaja Yoga like they have come to some Holy river [alleviate] purify and then become sahaja yogis. So one should be very careful as not to be irresponsible about oneself first of all and about the collective. We have [ ] there is no power or no tradition or place to during Sahaja Yoga. But in every country we have to appoint somebody as the leader and that leader is in contact with Me directly. Because I can not talk to everyone of you directly we have this method but if the leaders also are found to be not true or something wrong they can be changed but normally we don’t. Normally the leadership can not be challenged. Normally. Last year we had to remove the leader of Australia, he had to completely go out of Sahaja Yoga. You see, we had to get some other leader first, if it does not work out, then we have to also remove the so-called leader. So this leader had created a very big problem for Me and it was really very difficult I had to work for one month completely to again put them back. Also we removed so many sahaja yogis who we found to be against some leaders or who were troubling the leaders, when the leaders complain about them, we have to remove them, because I trust the leaders first of all. So one should normally not complain and should look into themselves instead complaining to others. But the leader has to be above good and aboucher. For example if a leader is carrying on a girlfriend, which is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga, we have to marry. Because this is bad example, so such things are not allowed. No sahaja yogi is allowed to have a girlfriend or boyfriend and also not marry that person. In Sahaja Yoga we believe in romance after marriage not before. Because you have so much of romance before the marriage that as soon as you get married you get to divorces. As in say in India we also have arranged marriages according to their family and all that and we don’t have divorces very few I know [ ] two in My lifetime. If we have got the romance before the marriage usually they have quarrels after marriage. So You must see that with curiosity as something that is going to happened to us so we be informal to it. Now most of the people who have got realisation and got married after that …quite a lot I should say, at least 1000 people have that and out of that 1 or 2 marriages have been failed in two hundred one or two are divorced. [Rajki] says when there is wrong on one part of the body then you are allowed to have divorce but the person who is wrong has to go out of Sahaja Yoga. Now the second part is that one should not play about Sahaja Yoga money. It is very dangerous. Now for a example last time when I came they said there was programs a lots of money was collected. Everything should be accounted and all the sahaja yogis must know where the money has gone it should be absolutely clear cut there absolutely clean. Now in India I am very bad at accounts but I appointed my own youngest brother because he is chartered accountant to find about every center in India. And he says that in our country he has not seen any organisation so clean and so accounted. And also every moves he is making or when you pay or collect money or there is [ ] to find out, they consult Me if it’s a large amount. And any member of the organisation should be able to see the account normally they should be able to do that, it should be an open book. Even I who is beyond sin that keep away all your money but even then I keep the money in the bank and one of the sahaja yogis keeps checkbooks with him. And everybody knows how what money has come and where is spent, even the money is in my account, that means is in my private account. But supposing I am very fond of giving presents and I want to spend some money like that then I take it from my husband’s account, not even from my private account because I don’t want sahaja yogis to know know how much is spent for their presents. And so far my audio tapes, tape recorders everything was sold out my photographs everything and I [ ] even a single pie out of it but I told them to keep the account also they did not keep. So they have now formed the committee on to which only tapes and audio tapes and my books all those when sought even my photographs because we don’t want people to make money out of all these things, it is apart from many things it is very dangerous. Moreover you do not take to projects, which you cannot afford, it is very important. We do not take projects which we can not effort at all never take from any project which you can not afford. So whatever you want to do with your private money take a great project or anything you can do it but if you have to use the money which is designated for the collective work you must take the sanction of the collective and My sanction as well. Now there is no business in Sahaja Yoga no business. You can not mix up business with Sahaja Yoga, nobody should do. But when you become a sahaja yogi you become very dynamic and you become extremely intelligent and you understand and if you are in the business or anything you start getting such a lot of money that you don’t know what to do with it. I give you example of a sahaja yogi who came to Sahaja Yoga, his company was doing very badly there was a strike in his company for about two years. But you will be surprised that when he started to do business with Sahaja Yoga as his main object and his business absolutely separated and he has become now a multi millionaire. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga if your business does not work out then you know that you have done some great mistake otherwise it is an impossibility. So you have to be extremely meticulously honest about public funds. Also you should not use any sahaja yogi for business. For a example you meet now a lot of people from abroad and they might say or you might say that we can do this business and that business it never works its very difficult. That means that we have to be understanding with the blessings of Sahaja Yoga and take full advantage of blessings and prosper physically mentally emotionally and also financially in Sahaja Yoga. Now the power also one should not assert or control that’s dangerous again. Now it is 21st year I have been here with you and I started Sahaja Yoga and My experience of human beings is this that you have to be very sincere in Sahaja Yoga. May be anti [factors can] con it and it does not work out. When you have vertical growth you also get horizontal growth on every part. And thus, all your problems get solved you don’t have to worry, but you have to be sincere and honest to yourself. So this is [general] matter of Sahaja Yoga should be. Now as I told you the other day you must know that I sent here doctor Bogdan. And he is so fed up with the way people are here power related here that he wants to go back and he thinks that they all are mad here that they divide people in Moscow and Leningrad and Kiev he is quite upset about it. Such a nice man I found out for you and who can work out medical science and other science and if people go on behaving like this in Russia, we finish off Sahaja Yoga. And he came [ ] to the ashram and I would request you that I will try to post him in Moscow [ ] and also he will look after the Leningrad and everything. But, now try to understand that it is Bogdan who will talk to you and I will talk to him. And you have to all depend on his guidance because he is one of the wisest sahaja yogi you could think of. So this is only all about your realization. So the second part of it we start with a Puja. Shri Buddha Puja 14.05.1990 Leningrad, USSR The pujas are meant to awaken the deities within you which are on your centers. “Пробуждены” [probuzhdeny, means “awakened” in Russian]. All right. So, we do it. That eleven main pujas we have together, eleven in the international level. But, here I decided to have the Buddha puja, or Lord Buddha’s puja, because Russia is in the map, according to us, is the right Agnya, right side of Agnya, left and right. And that is why we are going to have the Buddha puja, which is, in a way, suggestive that Buddha means enlightened. So there are three, three mantras of the Buddhist, the Buddhist religion, they call it, or Buddha’s stotram. The first one is “Buddham Sharanam Gachhami,” meaning “I surrender myself to all the people who are enlightened.” That case we have to respect each other. We are all enlightened souls. As I also bow to you, you have to bow to each other. We have to bow to all the people who are enlightened. And thus, we respect each other’s Self-Realization. Now, there’s a very beautiful story about Namadeva. And he was a great poet, and a saint in Maharashtra. And this Namadeva went to see another realized soul who was a potter, potter, little pots. This, another one was called as Gora Kumbhar, Gora Kumbhar. Now the Namadeva [ ] he was a tailor of a much higher state. So when he saw him, he was just mixing the clay with his feet. Though he stood absolutely stunned looking at Gora Kumbhar, Namadeva for a minute and he just closed his eyes and hands and bowed to him. And he said that, "I came to feel here to see something that is formless, just to feel the vibrations, but here is the formless is in the form." This is the appreciation of one Sahaja yogi of another one. This is the appreciation. But many people, many people can know, other people who are not Sahaja yogis, but not Sahaja yogis themselves. So, one has to know that all of you are now in such a good shell, that you are all great yogis and your honor have to be sahaja yogis. And nobody has to be condemned at all. Now, the place of Agnya today [inaudible]. will give you a very big ascent in a sense, that this is the most difficult center. Now, you have got on the Agnya chakra itself, is bestowed upon us is our Lord Jesus Christ. And that He is the one when awakened sucks in our ego and superego, our karmas and our conditionings. So, today’s special thing is that we are worshipping a deity on the right Agnya which makes you think too much, first of all. And also it makes you aggressive, and also it makes you very right-sided. By this worship, you will become very mild, very gentle, very beautiful people and you'll be able to see things much more clearly. Now this right side gives you a kind of an ego which troubles everyone, but you will never feel the trouble till you get into a very serious state. It gives you the overactivity of the brain and the conscious mind works too hard. For that you are, you are not to be very hard working people, but you might think [ ] that your mind is more active then your body. So, this Agnya chakra has to be controlled by Buddha, and why we do Puja today. The second mantra is, “Dhammam Sharanam Gachhami.” Dhammam. It means, “I surrender myself to my dharma.” Means, to my ten commandments, should I call them, or the ten valencies that I have in my stomach. And, that is the second point that your dharma is Vishwa Nirmala Dharmala, is the pure, innate religion within you, pure innate religion. That means you have to look after your behaviour and from that you judge yourself: Why are you doing like this? You could not have done that. Now, this extreme of Agnya chakra has come up with a disease called as YUPPIE’S DISEASE [chronic fatigue syndrome], and you will be surprised that I have told about this disease about 8 years back in America, that it should come. That your conscious mind will not be able to work anything, only will live the subconscious. People not have the conscious mind, and it’s a very serious disease. Your conscious mind will not work. As long as you are walking unconsciously you are alright. As soon as you try to think you are walking you fall, your conscious mind will not be able to work. Actually we are very [ ] even that you can. And our doctors are now trying experiments on them with Sahaja Yoga. First you feel very pampered with your ego – that I have done this – I have done that. But then ego sits on your head and then you are completely lost you do not know what to do. So, today’s Puja is very important for Russia, and for you people, because now you have got freedom and your Agnya can go out of balance. Now if you understand one thing, that when you get your freedom also you must learn how to bear the freedom. So it is [ ] Sahaja Yoga …. and I do not want to frighten you. But, we have to be very careful with our Agnya, that’s what I am just telling you as I do not want to frighten you, but as a Sahaja yogi it is not going to happen to you, but still you have to be very careful. And now, we are going to have the puja after this, and I hope you people will imbibe with the vibrations will penetrate into you, you will find the change very much within you.

Shri Buddha Puja, May 14th, 1990, St Peterburg, Russia As you know Sahaja Yoga is not an organised or that kind of an organisation. Because it’s a living process and all those who come to Sahaja Yoga like they have come to some Holy river [alleviate] purify and then become sahaja yogis. So one should be very careful as not to be irresponsible about oneself first of all and about the collective. We have [ ] there is no power or no tradition or place to during Sahaja Yoga. But in every country we have to appoint somebody as the leader and that leader is in contact with Me directly. Because I can not talk to everyone of you directly we have this method but if the leaders also are found to be not true or something wrong they can be changed but normally we don’t. Normally the leadership can not be challenged. Normally. Last year we had to remove the leader of Australia, he had to completely go out of Sahaja Yoga. You see, we had to get some other leader first, if it does not work out, then we have to also remove the so-called leader. So this leader had created a very big problem for Me and it was really very difficult I had to work for one month completely to again put them back. Also we removed so many sahaja yogis who we found to be against some leaders or who were troubling the leaders, when the leaders complain about them, we have to remove them, because I trust the leaders first of all. So one should normally not complain and should look into themselves instead complaining to others. But the leader has to be above good and aboucher. For example if a leader is carrying on a girlfriend, which is not allowed in Sahaja Yoga, we have to marry. Because this is bad example, so such things are not allowed. No sahaja yogi is allowed to have a girlfriend or boyfriend and also not marry that person. In Sahaja Yoga we believe in romance after marriage not before. Because you have so much of romance before the marriage that as soon as you get married you get to divorces. As in say in India we also have arranged marriages according to their family and all that and we don’t have divorces very few I know [ ] two in My lifetime. If we have got the romance before the marriage usually they have quarrels after marriage. So You must see that with curiosity as something that is going to happened to us so we be informal to it. Now most of the people who have got realisation and got married after that …quite a lot I should say, at least 1000 people have that and out of that 1 or 2 marriages have been failed in two hundred one or two are divorced. [Rajki] says when there is wrong on one part of the body then you are allowed to have divorce but the person who is wrong has to go out of Sahaja Yoga. Now the second part is that one should not play about Sahaja Yoga money. It is very dangerous. Now for a example last time when I came they said there was programs a lots of money was collected. Everything should be accounted and all the sahaja yogis must know where the money has gone it should be absolutely clear cut there absolutely clean. Now in India I am very bad at accounts but I appointed my own youngest brother because he is chartered accountant to find about every center in India. And he says that in our country he has not seen any organisation so clean and so accounted. And also every moves he is making or when you pay or collect money or there is [ ] to find out, they consult Me if it’s a large amount. And any member of the organisation should be able to see the account normally they should be able to do that, it should be an open book. Even I who is beyond sin that keep away all your money but even then I keep the money in the bank and one of the sahaja yogis keeps checkbooks with him. And everybody knows how what money has come and where is spent, even the money is in my account, that means is in my private account. But supposing I am very fond of giving presents and I want to spend some money like that then I take it from my husband’s account, not even from my private account because I don’t want sahaja yogis to know know how much is spent for their presents. And so far my audio tapes, tape recorders everything was sold out my photographs everything and I [ ] even a single pie out of it but I told them to keep the account also they did not keep. So they have now formed the committee on to which only tapes and audio tapes and my books all those when sought even my photographs because we don’t want people to make money out of all these things, it is apart from many things it is very dangerous. Moreover you do not take to projects, which you cannot afford, it is very important. We do not take projects which we can not effort at all never take from any project which you can not afford. So whatever you want to do with your private money take a great project or anything you can do it but if you have to use the money which is designated for the collective work you must take the sanction of the collective and My sanction as well. Now there is no business in Sahaja Yoga no business. You can not mix up business with Sahaja Yoga, nobody should do. But when you become a sahaja yogi you become very dynamic and you become extremely intelligent and you understand and if you are in the business or anything you start getting such a lot of money that you don’t know what to do with it. I give you example of a sahaja yogi who came to Sahaja Yoga, his company was doing very badly there was a strike in his company for about two years. But you will be surprised that when he started to do business with Sahaja Yoga as his main object and his business absolutely separated and he has become now a multi millionaire. But after coming to Sahaja Yoga if your business does not work out then you know that you have done some great mistake otherwise it is an impossibility. So you have to be extremely meticulously honest about public funds. Also you should not use any sahaja yogi for business. For a example you meet now a lot of people from abroad and they might say or you might say that we can do this business and that business it never works its very difficult. That means that we have to be understanding with the blessings of Sahaja Yoga and take full advantage of blessings and prosper physically mentally emotionally and also financially in Sahaja Yoga. Now the power also one should not assert or control that’s dangerous again. Now it is 21st year I have been here with you and I started Sahaja Yoga and My experience of human beings is this that you have to be very sincere in Sahaja Yoga. May be anti [factors can] con it and it does not work out. When you have vertical growth you also get horizontal growth on every part. And thus, all your problems get solved you don’t have to worry, but you have to be sincere and honest to yourself. So this is [general] matter of Sahaja Yoga should be. Now as I told you the other day you must know that I sent here doctor Bogdan. And he is so fed up with the way people are here power related here that he wants to go back and he thinks that they all are mad here that they divide people in Moscow and Leningrad and Kiev he is quite upset about it. Such a nice man I found out for you and who can work out medical science and other science and if people go on behaving like this in Russia, we finish off Sahaja Yoga. And he came [ ] to the ashram and I would request you that I will try to post him in Moscow [ ] and also he will look after the Leningrad and everything. But, now try to understand that it is Bogdan who will talk to you and I will talk to him. And you have to all depend on his guidance because he is one of the wisest sahaja yogi you could think of. So this is only all about your realization. So the second part of it we start with a Puja. Shri Buddha Puja 14.05.1990 Leningrad, USSR The pujas are meant to awaken the deities within you which are on your centers. “Пробуждены” [probuzhdeny, means “awakened” in Russian]. All right. So, we do it. That eleven main pujas we have together, eleven in the international level. But, here I decided to have the Buddha puja, or Lord Buddha’s puja, because Russia is in the map, according to us, is the right Agnya, right side of Agnya, left and right. And that is why we are going to have the Buddha puja, which is, in a way, suggestive that Buddha means enlightened. So there are three, three mantras of the Buddhist, the Buddhist religion, they call it, or Buddha’s stotram. The first one is “Buddham Sharanam Gachhami,” meaning “I surrender myself to all the people who are enlightened.” That case we have to respect each other. We are all enlightened souls. As I also bow to you, you have to bow to each other. We have to bow to all the people who are enlightened. And thus, we respect each other’s Self-Realization. Now, there’s a very beautiful story about Namadeva. And he was a great poet, and a saint in Maharashtra. And this Namadeva went to see another realized soul who was a potter, potter, little pots. This, another one was called as Gora Kumbhar, Gora Kumbhar. Now the Namadeva [ ] he was a tailor of a much higher state. So when he saw him, he was just mixing the clay with his feet. Though he stood absolutely stunned looking at Gora Kumbhar, Namadeva for a minute and he just closed his eyes and hands and bowed to him. And he said that, "I came to feel here to see something that is formless, just to feel the vibrations, but here is the formless is in the form." This is the appreciation of one Sahaja yogi of another one. This is the appreciation. But many people, many people can know, other people who are not Sahaja yogis, but not Sahaja yogis themselves. So, one has to know that all of you are now in such a good shell, that you are all great yogis and your honor have to be sahaja yogis. And nobody has to be condemned at all. Now, the place of Agnya today [inaudible]. will give you a very big ascent in a sense, that this is the most difficult center. Now, you have got on the Agnya chakra itself, is bestowed upon us is our Lord Jesus Christ. And that He is the one when awakened sucks in our ego and superego, our karmas and our conditionings. So, today’s special thing is that we are worshipping a deity on the right Agnya which makes you think too much, first of all. And also it makes you aggressive, and also it makes you very right-sided. By this worship, you will become very mild, very gentle, very beautiful people and you'll be able to see things much more clearly. Now this right side gives you a kind of an ego which troubles everyone, but you will never feel the trouble till you get into a very serious state. It gives you the overactivity of the brain and the conscious mind works too hard. For that you are, you are not to be very hard working people, but you might think [ ] that your mind is more active then your body. So, this Agnya chakra has to be controlled by Buddha, and why we do Puja today. The second mantra is, “Dhammam Sharanam Gachhami.” Dhammam. It means, “I surrender myself to my dharma.” Means, to my ten commandments, should I call them, or the ten valencies that I have in my stomach. And, that is the second point that your dharma is Vishwa Nirmala Dharmala, is the pure, innate religion within you, pure innate religion. That means you have to look after your behaviour and from that you judge yourself: Why are you doing like this? You could not have done that. Now, this extreme of Agnya chakra has come up with a disease called as YUPPIE’S DISEASE [chronic fatigue syndrome], and you will be surprised that I have told about this disease about 8 years back in America, that it should come. That your conscious mind will not be able to work anything, only will live the subconscious. People not have the conscious mind, and it’s a very serious disease. Your conscious mind will not work. As long as you are walking unconsciously you are alright. As soon as you try to think you are walking you fall, your conscious mind will not be able to work. Actually we are very [ ] even that you can. And our doctors are now trying experiments on them with Sahaja Yoga. First you feel very pampered with your ego – that I have done this – I have done that. But then ego sits on your head and then you are completely lost you do not know what to do. So, today’s Puja is very important for Russia, and for you people, because now you have got freedom and your Agnya can go out of balance. Now if you understand one thing, that when you get your freedom also you must learn how to bear the freedom. So it is [ ] Sahaja Yoga …. and I do not want to frighten you. But, we have to be very careful with our Agnya, that’s what I am just telling you as I do not want to frighten you, but as a Sahaja yogi it is not going to happen to you, but still you have to be very careful. And now, we are going to have the puja after this, and I hope you people will imbibe with the vibrations will penetrate into you, you will find the change very much within you.

5/28/1990

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“Divine Discretion”, Hamsa Chakra Puja & Arrival

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"Divine discretion," Hamsa Chakra Puja, Camp Marston, San Diego (USA), 28 May 1990. It's another great pleasure to come to America to meet you all people here. This one, as I’ve told you, is a very important country in the field of spirituality. Not because it's a large country or because it is very prosperous but because, as you know, it is the Vishuddhi in the plan of Virat. Vishuddhi is such an important chakra. It has a very great manifestation also. For example it has another subsidiary chakra, which we call as Hamsa Chakra. And the star which is influencing this centre - or the star that resides, on which this centre is working - is Saturn. And, as you know with Saturn there is another small little Saturn moving. In the same way, with this Vishuddhi Chakra, there's another one which is a very important chakra, which we call as Hamsa Chakra. We have had a puja of Hamsa Chakra in Germany once, and it has acted, I think; because Germans have realised that whatever they have done so far was absolutely inhuman. And I was so happy to see that, when I went to Russia, the people who came to give them Realisation were mostly Germans. It really makes you feel so tender about the whole thing that the Germans felt it is important - I mean, they were the ones who were attracted - to come to Russia to give Realisation to Russians; and you must know that the number of Russians killed were the maximum in the war, in this war, by Germans. So the discretion, the Divine discretion that manifests through your Hamsa Chakra, first started in Germany. And now you see how East Germany is entering into German territory, West Germany, and how they are welcoming them, looking after them. And who did all these things was a few Sahaj Yogis who triggered it. So in those countries where there has been a tremendous war problem, and they had tsars and they had to go through hell - even Germans had to suffer a lot because of Hitler's misguidance - they have known hardships, they have known sacrifices, they have known all kinds of ordeals they had to go through. But somehow this country has been blessed to such an extent that Americans never realised what is hardship. And the blessings really have spoiled them. Hardships have been in all these countries which we call as Eastern Bloc, and Sahaj Yoga is spreading like wildfire in all these Eastern Bloc countries where they have been completely under the rule of Russians, we can say, or under the rule of terror. And the same terror has acted in Russia, throughout. In that terror, in that fear, it is surprising how this wisdom has grown in all these people much more than in countries where we have the greatest affluence, the greatest comfort of life. The hardship has taught them, the fear has taught them, to be wise. And the best part is the discretion. Now this being Shri Krishna’s country, because He’s Kubera, He’s the God of wealth, the country is wealthy, no doubt. But the other part of Shri Krishna is completely missing here: is the Divine discretion. How His Divine discretion is shown, even in Mahabharata, is wonderful to see. How He managed the Pandavas to win the war through His Divine discretion; because they were dharmic, they were standing in dharma; and how He supported the Pandavas because they were dharmic. But just the opposite is the situation of America: that America always supports wrong people. And it has no principle of righteousness or principle of its own freedom. For example, to support something like Argentina or Peru, where there’s complete dictatorship. I have been there, I know what it was like at the time it was under the regime of these people. And that's what has happened to the people of this country - they have no Divine discretion at all. And that's why I think all the false gurus have come and settled here, because they know these people have no Divine discretion. The Hamsa Chakra is so weak here that they cannot see what is dharma and what is adharma. Also, the basic principle by which this country became democratic was that this government is for the people, of the people, by the people. So it has to be people-oriented. But democracy, at this stage, without Realisation, cannot work out. It's obvious. A few people who were cunning, who could make money, became money-oriented - they could advertise better; they could manipulate better than other people; who were crooks also, making money like that, through drugs, through other things, by other means - they could come up, they were elected, and they are in charge. So it is not people-oriented, but it is only money-oriented democracy. And maybe if it goes on like this, you will find you might get some horrible crooks as rulers in this country. Because the one who can make money, the one who has lots of money, by hook or crook, whosoever [it] may be, can win over elections and can become our ruler here. So the democracy that was started or was spelled out, by Abraham Lincoln, is no more there; it's a money-oriented thing. And it has generated such a bad atmosphere all over the world that in the whole world now the conservatives, the people who think they are conservatives, who are money-oriented people, who don't care for people at all, are becoming the leaders, everywhere. So to be people-oriented one has to, first of all, understand that you have to have your Realisation, otherwise you do not become a collective being. If you do not become the collective being you cannot enjoy the beautiful virtue of generosity. And when you do not have that generosity, then you become a person of a very small mind and a small heart. And the crookedness works everywhere. Outside they are very sweet to talk, but inside you don't know what they will do, how they’ll deceive you. In this kind of atmosphere we are. While you know in Russia we have done so well. In Russia people were just waiting for a Mother to come, that's all. They are Mother worshippers, to begin with. And they were wanting somebody just to love them, every one of them, to tell them about love, because they felt they were never loved by their government. Here also nobody is loved. But the pattern of the government there and the pattern of the people are at two different ends. The government people are very dominating, extremely strict and exploiting type. But the people are the exploited ones. But here, the pattern of the government is taken over by people. As the government is exploiting people, people are also exploiting each other; as much as they can exploit: very good, after all money is the end of it. That's why I used to think, “Why in America Sahaj Yoga is failing?” All kinds of thugs have come here. They have made lots of money; I mean they all are thrown out and so many are to be thrown out, it's all right. But as far as Sahaj Yoga message is concerned, people cannot absorb it. So now for Sahaj Yogis it is very important to become really very deep Sahaj Yogis - very, very deep - so that we can trigger better. Even if there are two Sahaj Yogis who are very deep, one can trigger a lot. Like you’ll be surprised [that] in Hungary people were saying in the beginning, "Mother, what about Hungary? It should become free." I said, "Let there be one Sahaj Yogi to come in." Only one fellow came in: he was absolutely sick, a very thin and worn-out fellow. I treated him. I cured him. And with love, he got nourishment. And within eight days after his Realisation, he went back, and after a week, Hungary got its freedom. Though we are few, in here, we all have to be very conscious of it: that we are the foundation, and if we fail, we'll fail our country. And we have to be very deep, sensible Sahaj Yogis. So what problems do we face here? First is, I have told hundred times, that you have to open your heart. That's such an important thing for all Sahaj Yogis: to open their heart. Look into your hearts. What do you want? Not through rationality, but through vibrations. What do you want? You ask yourself, "What do I want?" Then say few words, "I want money." Vibrations won't flow. "I want this, that." Vibrations won't flow. Then what do you want? "I want to be a deep Sahaj Yogi, very deep, so I could save my country." If Americans will go to hell, you will be held responsible for that, nobody else. You need very few people to trigger it, I tell you. But we still stick on to our past. The problems and problems of America are a very different type all the time. First is aggressiveness. What is in aggressiveness? Loving someone, being kind to someone, should be so natural because that is what your Spirit is: it loves; it enjoys the love, giving love. So to allow your Spirit to manifest, you have to understand its nature. Spirit can never be aggressive, can never dominate. It respects the freedom of another person because it’s a free being. So this aggressiveness that we have within us, we have to really challenge it and ask, “Why are we aggressive?” But the understanding about oneself has to be very honest also. Because if you want to justify, and if you want to close your eyes to reality, then you cannot improve yourself. And when the depth grows inside you then it is tremendous, I tell you. Because this Power which is surrounding us - which you know about, which you have felt it - has to flow through a medium which is absolutely clean, egoless, condition-less. But we are so much conditioned, and in this so-called free country, this freedom has conditioned us. It's like a person who is let loose, doesn't know where to go: he bangs his head this side, bangs his head that side, bangs his head that side. And the problems are so funny - problems which do not exist anywhere [else], exist in this country - you know them very well - with such shocking state that, when we think about it, what's going to happen? Where are we going to be? So we are really on a warpath in America, I must tell you, for Sahaj Yogis. Really on a warpath. Unless and until you take up Sahaj Yoga as your only concern, it's not going to work out. We had problems, like somebody has no job, then somebody has this, he's lost something here, then husband-wife’s problem and all these nonsensical things. Still people are struggling with that. How many times you have been married in previous lives? Then somebody’s wife is dominating, somebody’s husband is dominating. Such absurd things! Doesn't behove saints. So the quality of Sahaj Yogis in America, unless and until [it] is raised, one cannot trigger anything here. And the first thing that the Sahaj Yogis must have is collectivity in America. Because America stands for Vishuddhi Chakra, which is manifesting collectivity within us. And if people cannot be collective, then how can you have Sahaj Yoga manifesting here? Impossible. Because that is the greatest quality you have. That’s the basic power you have in this country: is the collectivity within you. So you have two basic powers. First is collectivity and the second one that you have is a Divine discretion. Basically [they are] given to you these powers. And just the opposite if we go. I have heard about many Sahaj Yogis who avoid the company of children, who run away from other people; if they see three, four people sitting there, then they can’t share the room with them. It’s very common. Supposing there’s a very small little room, and so many have to sleep in a small little room: it's nice in a way; it's an experience. Then, where do you sleep? You sleep there, you sleep there; how do you manage? You can't go to the bathroom. And it's an event. (Laughter). The life which is smooth is boring. (Laughter & applause) There should be some events in life like this. But Americans always avoid any, any such thing which requires an eventful time. Otherwise, if you walk straight forward, reach some place, open the door and everything is ready made; you walk into a room, everything electrified and you just get your seat; you sit on the seat. If you have to get up, the seat pulls you out. (Laughter) Or, I went to somebody's house and they said, "We have a bed here.” I said, “What's so special?” He said, “If you press this button, your legs will come up. If you press this button, you head will come up, you turn round.” I said, “I can do all that myself! I am not that old or that weak that I can't do it.” But, you see they, the way people are: always looking for comfort, always looking for comfort, and like to have smooth life. And the smoothness has made them so boring. I mean, their life is really boring. And a person who has a boring life cannot have a vision; cannot. Everything is done up now. You go there, everything is first class. There's nothing to worry. You go to a hotel, everything is paid for, nicely kept; it's a very good hotel. But only when in a hotel you are staying and suddenly people tell you, “Oh there's going to be an earthquake!” You run out with your pyjamas and you find yourself in funny companies; and that's what you remember. You may go to various places and live in various comforts and things. You don't remember that. So people now want to do something funny, like they'll go trekking up, doing this, and all those funny sort of things. Because the life is not eventful, they are trying something that is dangerous, that is destroying them. But supposing if you had accepted events in life as important. What does it matter? Let's see what happens. For example, if I say, “Now, some people have to go from here to Phoenix and settle down there.” Immediately you [will say], “How will they go? And where will be the house? Where will they stay? Who will pay for it?" And every question is such a big question they have. But, “Yes, we'll go! What's the harm? We'll stay anywhere: under a tree; doesn't matter. What's that?” After all monkeys can live there, why can't we? They were our forefathers! But that sort of a comfort loving temperament is very dangerous. And they feel they are very tired - all the time. In American films nowadays what I see is anybody, even a heroine or a hero, comes and says, “Haaah!" like that. Perhaps they think too much [that] they are working hard or they are doing this. All the time they think. There’s a Sahaj Yogini in London. She's an Indian girl, works very hard, does every stitching, everything she does. She's very happy. There’s another one who is an Englishman: he’s always tired. So I told her, “Why is he tired? He looks so healthy. Why is he so tired?” She said, “Mother, you know, he thinks he's working. I don't think; I think it's Mother who is working because I leave everything at your Lotus Feet. I am not working. She's working. I'm leaving at Her Lotus Feet, that's all." And then you don't feel that. Now the quarrel between husband and wife here is mainly: “How many dishes you have washed, how many dishes I have washed.” “How much physical work you have done, how much physical work I have done.” It’s a kind of a competition going on as to all the time weigh: “What you have done? What I have done?” But supposing, if you want to do something in such a manner that, “Let me see, I will surprise my husband by doing everything nicely. Let's finish it fast!” You will do it very well, and you'll never be tired. And when you will see your husband coming home and seeing things done so well, so well, so happy. That joy of doing something to make someone happy will completely neutralise all your discomfort, or the fatigue that you have. The other way round, also. The husband should also feel that, "What could I do for her?" A small little thing can make her happy. And the divorces here are all the time because of this kind of a nonsensical idea that, "How much he has done? What I have done? What he has done?” All the time weighing it out and making yourself miserable. I travel a lot as you know. I never feel I am traveling, because I am there with myself. Whether I sit here or travel it's just the same. But if you think, “I am travelling!", then you feel, “Oh God, I am travelling!" But if you just think, “I am sitting here in the chair. I am sitting there in the chair,” you don't feel tired. If you are doing some work, you feel tired when you start thinking, “I am doing this work, I have done that work.” Especially in Sahaj Yoga, if you think, “I am doing any work,” better not do it. But if you think, “I am doing nothing!” and what joy; what joy it is! You will become so energetic, because once you surrender, then the Divine power starts flowing through you. That’s why Mohammed Sahib has said ‘Islam’ - means “to surrender”. He’s said it about me also, that “I'll send you…” He called me ‘The Sent One’. And everything He’s talked about, having the vibrations and all that, in His own style. But He said that the message should be of surrender. And that surrendering part has to be there because Shri Krishna, in Gita, has very clearly said that, “Forget every dharma, just surrender yourself to me.” And that surrendering, if the Sahaj Yogis develop in America, the rest I’ll look after. But you leave it to me to do it. And then ideas and everything will start flowing because this is Virata’s place. That’s why you have such great scientists here, such great schools for all kinds of intellectual work and all that is here. While people are not wise, they are not wise at all. I have known people: I met a president of Jungian Society, who was eighty years of age, and he’s supposed to be the President of the whole world. And he said, "I must see you privately.” I said, "All right." He came to me and his problem was so stupid that I just started looking at him: “An eighty-year-old man? This stupid fellow! He's not even like a ten-year-old boy! No maturity of any kind!” So immature. And when I saw him, I just had the glimpse of the whole thing, that, “Look at this man, eighty-year-old, he's the Chairman of Jungian Society. All over the world, people think him to be the Chairman of this thing.” The chair may be better than him!! (Laughter) Such a stupid fellow, in a way. Such a stupid fellow that you can’t imagine. So they might be intelligent, they might be well-read, they might be able to discover something out of matter, but they do not have wisdom. And the wisdom can only come through honest introspection. But it should not be also, “I am catching on this chakra, I'm catching on that chakra.” Not that. But, “Why am I not seeing the point? What's the matter with me? Why can’t I understand what is Sahaj Yoga?” Even when you have become Sahaj Yogis now, for years together, still these old nonsensical things stick on to you, these ideas stick on to you. Why? Why do we not have that purity of Divine discretion which sees everything so clearly? So I think we need collectivity, first of all, and secondly meditative honesty. Just to meditate, sit down before the photograph, do the meditation - no! Meditation should act, should work. If it does not work, something wrong with you; absolutely something wrong. If you feel everything is working all right, everything is miraculously showing its presence, the presence of the Paramchaitanya, then you are all right. But if it is not so, if there are problems, then you are not, you are not a Sahaj Yogi. Sahaj Yogi is the one who is completely connected with this Paramachaitanya; and for that age is no bar. I have seen girls who are only sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years so wise. Even small little children who were with Guido, I talked to them and I was surprised at their wisdom: so very wise, so beautiful. They understood human nature so well. Small little children: they were at the most, ten years of age. And nice to talk to them. So that wisdom if they can have at that age, now we are also, all of us are about ten-year-old Sahaj Yogis, minimum, nothing else. But still we are struggling, ambitious and wrong priorities. There is no need to have any ambition. Ambition is an imaginary thing. But Sahaj Yoga is reality: everything works out, everything sorts itself, everything plans out. But to feel that if this is so, as I said in a small room there are twelve people - is something for the good. Why not? We have to be there. If I have lost the way, supposing, then I would say I have to go this way. This time we made a ticket which was little wrong according to everyone because we had to go through Phoenix. But nice because I felt the vibrations of Phoenix. I had to go that way. I had to see that. So always to find something smooth, the way we want it to be smooth, is not the way of Sahaj Yoga. But whatever we get, we see the hand of the Divine behind it. What is our purpose of life? Our purpose of life is to save people, save the Americans - minimum of minimums. Not the world, but at least start with Americans. That’s our purpose of life. That's our identity. While doing that, there is Paramchaitanya which is going to look after you completely. But first [if] you put yourself before everything else, “I must have this, I must have that, I must have this,” it won't work out. Then, “I have this problem, I jumped into bankruptcy, I had that problem, I just couldn't manage.” Because you have put other things before your Self: ‘Self’ means the Spirit. According to people, ‘self’ means ‘selfishness’, but according to Sahaj Yoga, Self means ‘your Spirit’. So today's lecture should not be that we hear from one ear and goes through the same one, but should we little bit ponder about it and listen to it again and again. I have great hopes for you. I have worked very hard in America, very much. But it has never been that state where I could say, “Now I can trigger something in you.” Even if there are few Sahaj Yogis who are very deep and good, they are pulled down by others - by jealousies, by this, by that. It’s not the number that you are but the quality that you are, first of all. But in Russia, I found it so easy, so very easy. It was wonderful, unbelievable. I have been only there thrice, can you imagine? And now Sahaj Yoga is a religion throughout. Everyone knows me in Russia. But here people only know Rajneesh or that Muktananda, all horrible people. Now, you can also say that, “Mother, it’s a question of advertising.” That here the people, the way they advertise and manipulate, and all that. But it only works out in places where people are not seeking reality. Why can't they see that this is all publicity? They have no discretion! Supposing tomorrow they say, “This is the hair style!” Then all Americans are in the same hair style. You can't make them out who is who. Or they say, “This is the way the dress has to be!” all Americans will be dressed up that way. I mean it’s a slavery to these entrepreneurs and to all this advertisement. Any kind of advertisement, if that enamours people so much, that means we are fools, we are stupid, we are idiots that we cannot think for ourselves. Anybody can befool us. Anybody can put up anything in the market. Anything they talk about, we’ll jump at it as if we have no brains to understand, to take to it. It’s like we have no roots. We are just like some weeds which are thrown from this end to that end. But in Sahaj Yoga, your roots must grow much, much faster than anybody else, because this is the land of Shri Krishna. How many things He has done in His lifetime we have to see: As a child He killed so many demons, while all demons are invited here. As a child He raised the Kundalini of all the gopis and everyone. He played all kinds of beautiful tricks to amuse people as a child. And later on, He killed His own uncle, which shows one thing - an uncle in Indian families is the nearest person. In the marriage, it is the uncle who gives the daughter, it is the uncle who performs most of the rituals and everything. The uncle is the nearest person. And He killed His own uncle: shows that He finished off all these artificial relationships. And there we find, in America there are people who have done this kind of thing is to have nothing to do with the mother, have nothing to do with the father, have nothing to do with sister or wife, husband, children, anyone. But for what? For what have they given up? They gave it up for selfishness, for money, not for something higher. Just the opposite of what Shri Krishna did; to kill His own uncle to deliver His parents from their prison and also to kill a demon; he was a demon. So in our own understanding, if we understand one thing: that we are living on the soil, or on the soil of that country which is blessed by Shri Krishna, Who is called as Yogeshwara. So the first part was that when He destroyed all these things - He was a Yogeshwara. He was the Divine energy for yoga, for union with the Divine power. He was the Ishwara. He is the Deity. If He was a Deity and He is the One Who is the ruler of this area, then what should we be? In yoga, we should be masters! Not mentally but at that state of the higher state. If that could be achieved, then you people should become the highest of highest yogis, because you have that power existing in this place - it is there. So many have told me that, “Mother, now don't you worry about America. Just forget it. Why to waste time in America? It’s not going to work out. It’s useless.” But I know such a lot of power exists in this country of the Yogeshwara, and if you can use that power of Yogeshwara, you can do so much good to the whole humanity at this juncture when the history is taking another fall. Now those who rise in spirituality - everybody is now today talking of spirituality, even the Prince of Wales the other day was talking that, “We should take to spirituality not to so much materialism that has caused us ecological problems and things like that.” Everybody’s talking of spirituality, and you are the ones who have it with you; you are the ones who have powers with you; you are the ones who can spread it. And once you start spreading it, you will be surprised how you will achieve tremendous heights in every sphere, in every walk of life. So your identity is that you are Sahaj Yogis and you have to use the power of Yogeshwara Who is the presiding Deity of this country. I bless you all that you have that wisdom, that depth, you touch your depth somehow. Try to work it out. Stop all nonsensical fights and things. Become collective. Try to understand each other. Try to open your hearts. You have such depth. You were born in this country because the Yogeshwara wanted you to be here and He has blessed you with all the bounties of His love. Now it is for you to use that tremendous power: the embodiment of madhurya, the sweetness, sweetness. That madhurya you have to imbibe, and that madhurya you have to spread. That’s very important. So that relationship of sweetness between each other, the relation of enjoying each other, the relation of knowing each other, has to be full of sweetness, just like honey. It is just there but we have to be the bee to reach there, and I am sure it will work out. It should work out for all of you. So those who run away from collectivity should be very careful. They are not Sahaj Yogis. And if they continue like this, they’ll be just thrown out. They will be nowhere in Sahaj Yoga, I tell you. So you have to, first of all, understand that, to be in Sahaj Yoga is only possible if we are having that depth, because a new jump is needed in Sahaj Yoga which will work out, which is working out. And many will be thrown out. We have to jump, and for that jumping you really need people who are honest and deep and serious. Don’t get lost onto frivolous things and worldly things. Just seek your depth, it’s all there, so beautiful. So, may God bless you!

"Divine discretion," Hamsa Chakra Puja, Camp Marston, San Diego (USA), 28 May 1990. It's another great pleasure to come to America to meet you all people here. This one, as I’ve told you, is a very important country in the field of spirituality. Not because it's a large country or because it is very prosperous but because, as you know, it is the Vishuddhi in the plan of Virat. Vishuddhi is such an important chakra. It has a very great manifestation also. For example it has another subsidiary chakra, which we call as Hamsa Chakra. And the star which is influencing this centre - or the star that resides, on which this centre is working - is Saturn. And, as you know with Saturn there is another small little Saturn moving. In the same way, with this Vishuddhi Chakra, there's another one which is a very important chakra, which we call as Hamsa Chakra. We have had a puja of Hamsa Chakra in Germany once, and it has acted, I think; because Germans have realised that whatever they have done so far was absolutely inhuman. And I was so happy to see that, when I went to Russia, the people who came to give them Realisation were mostly Germans. It really makes you feel so tender about the whole thing that the Germans felt it is important - I mean, they were the ones who were attracted - to come to Russia to give Realisation to Russians; and you must know that the number of Russians killed were the maximum in the war, in this war, by Germans. So the discretion, the Divine discretion that manifests through your Hamsa Chakra, first started in Germany. And now you see how East Germany is entering into German territory, West Germany, and how they are welcoming them, looking after them. And who did all these things was a few Sahaj Yogis who triggered it. So in those countries where there has been a tremendous war problem, and they had tsars and they had to go through hell - even Germans had to suffer a lot because of Hitler's misguidance - they have known hardships, they have known sacrifices, they have known all kinds of ordeals they had to go through. But somehow this country has been blessed to such an extent that Americans never realised what is hardship. And the blessings really have spoiled them. Hardships have been in all these countries which we call as Eastern Bloc, and Sahaj Yoga is spreading like wildfire in all these Eastern Bloc countries where they have been completely under the rule of Russians, we can say, or under the rule of terror. And the same terror has acted in Russia, throughout. In that terror, in that fear, it is surprising how this wisdom has grown in all these people much more than in countries where we have the greatest affluence, the greatest comfort of life. The hardship has taught them, the fear has taught them, to be wise. And the best part is the discretion. Now this being Shri Krishna’s country, because He’s Kubera, He’s the God of wealth, the country is wealthy, no doubt. But the other part of Shri Krishna is completely missing here: is the Divine discretion. How His Divine discretion is shown, even in Mahabharata, is wonderful to see. How He managed the Pandavas to win the war through His Divine discretion; because they were dharmic, they were standing in dharma; and how He supported the Pandavas because they were dharmic. But just the opposite is the situation of America: that America always supports wrong people. And it has no principle of righteousness or principle of its own freedom. For example, to support something like Argentina or Peru, where there’s complete dictatorship. I have been there, I know what it was like at the time it was under the regime of these people. And that's what has happened to the people of this country - they have no Divine discretion at all. And that's why I think all the false gurus have come and settled here, because they know these people have no Divine discretion. The Hamsa Chakra is so weak here that they cannot see what is dharma and what is adharma. Also, the basic principle by which this country became democratic was that this government is for the people, of the people, by the people. So it has to be people-oriented. But democracy, at this stage, without Realisation, cannot work out. It's obvious. A few people who were cunning, who could make money, became money-oriented - they could advertise better; they could manipulate better than other people; who were crooks also, making money like that, through drugs, through other things, by other means - they could come up, they were elected, and they are in charge. So it is not people-oriented, but it is only money-oriented democracy. And maybe if it goes on like this, you will find you might get some horrible crooks as rulers in this country. Because the one who can make money, the one who has lots of money, by hook or crook, whosoever [it] may be, can win over elections and can become our ruler here. So the democracy that was started or was spelled out, by Abraham Lincoln, is no more there; it's a money-oriented thing. And it has generated such a bad atmosphere all over the world that in the whole world now the conservatives, the people who think they are conservatives, who are money-oriented people, who don't care for people at all, are becoming the leaders, everywhere. So to be people-oriented one has to, first of all, understand that you have to have your Realisation, otherwise you do not become a collective being. If you do not become the collective being you cannot enjoy the beautiful virtue of generosity. And when you do not have that generosity, then you become a person of a very small mind and a small heart. And the crookedness works everywhere. Outside they are very sweet to talk, but inside you don't know what they will do, how they’ll deceive you. In this kind of atmosphere we are. While you know in Russia we have done so well. In Russia people were just waiting for a Mother to come, that's all. They are Mother worshippers, to begin with. And they were wanting somebody just to love them, every one of them, to tell them about love, because they felt they were never loved by their government. Here also nobody is loved. But the pattern of the government there and the pattern of the people are at two different ends. The government people are very dominating, extremely strict and exploiting type. But the people are the exploited ones. But here, the pattern of the government is taken over by people. As the government is exploiting people, people are also exploiting each other; as much as they can exploit: very good, after all money is the end of it. That's why I used to think, “Why in America Sahaj Yoga is failing?” All kinds of thugs have come here. They have made lots of money; I mean they all are thrown out and so many are to be thrown out, it's all right. But as far as Sahaj Yoga message is concerned, people cannot absorb it. So now for Sahaj Yogis it is very important to become really very deep Sahaj Yogis - very, very deep - so that we can trigger better. Even if there are two Sahaj Yogis who are very deep, one can trigger a lot. Like you’ll be surprised [that] in Hungary people were saying in the beginning, "Mother, what about Hungary? It should become free." I said, "Let there be one Sahaj Yogi to come in." Only one fellow came in: he was absolutely sick, a very thin and worn-out fellow. I treated him. I cured him. And with love, he got nourishment. And within eight days after his Realisation, he went back, and after a week, Hungary got its freedom. Though we are few, in here, we all have to be very conscious of it: that we are the foundation, and if we fail, we'll fail our country. And we have to be very deep, sensible Sahaj Yogis. So what problems do we face here? First is, I have told hundred times, that you have to open your heart. That's such an important thing for all Sahaj Yogis: to open their heart. Look into your hearts. What do you want? Not through rationality, but through vibrations. What do you want? You ask yourself, "What do I want?" Then say few words, "I want money." Vibrations won't flow. "I want this, that." Vibrations won't flow. Then what do you want? "I want to be a deep Sahaj Yogi, very deep, so I could save my country." If Americans will go to hell, you will be held responsible for that, nobody else. You need very few people to trigger it, I tell you. But we still stick on to our past. The problems and problems of America are a very different type all the time. First is aggressiveness. What is in aggressiveness? Loving someone, being kind to someone, should be so natural because that is what your Spirit is: it loves; it enjoys the love, giving love. So to allow your Spirit to manifest, you have to understand its nature. Spirit can never be aggressive, can never dominate. It respects the freedom of another person because it’s a free being. So this aggressiveness that we have within us, we have to really challenge it and ask, “Why are we aggressive?” But the understanding about oneself has to be very honest also. Because if you want to justify, and if you want to close your eyes to reality, then you cannot improve yourself. And when the depth grows inside you then it is tremendous, I tell you. Because this Power which is surrounding us - which you know about, which you have felt it - has to flow through a medium which is absolutely clean, egoless, condition-less. But we are so much conditioned, and in this so-called free country, this freedom has conditioned us. It's like a person who is let loose, doesn't know where to go: he bangs his head this side, bangs his head that side, bangs his head that side. And the problems are so funny - problems which do not exist anywhere [else], exist in this country - you know them very well - with such shocking state that, when we think about it, what's going to happen? Where are we going to be? So we are really on a warpath in America, I must tell you, for Sahaj Yogis. Really on a warpath. Unless and until you take up Sahaj Yoga as your only concern, it's not going to work out. We had problems, like somebody has no job, then somebody has this, he's lost something here, then husband-wife’s problem and all these nonsensical things. Still people are struggling with that. How many times you have been married in previous lives? Then somebody’s wife is dominating, somebody’s husband is dominating. Such absurd things! Doesn't behove saints. So the quality of Sahaj Yogis in America, unless and until [it] is raised, one cannot trigger anything here. And the first thing that the Sahaj Yogis must have is collectivity in America. Because America stands for Vishuddhi Chakra, which is manifesting collectivity within us. And if people cannot be collective, then how can you have Sahaj Yoga manifesting here? Impossible. Because that is the greatest quality you have. That’s the basic power you have in this country: is the collectivity within you. So you have two basic powers. First is collectivity and the second one that you have is a Divine discretion. Basically [they are] given to you these powers. And just the opposite if we go. I have heard about many Sahaj Yogis who avoid the company of children, who run away from other people; if they see three, four people sitting there, then they can’t share the room with them. It’s very common. Supposing there’s a very small little room, and so many have to sleep in a small little room: it's nice in a way; it's an experience. Then, where do you sleep? You sleep there, you sleep there; how do you manage? You can't go to the bathroom. And it's an event. (Laughter). The life which is smooth is boring. (Laughter & applause) There should be some events in life like this. But Americans always avoid any, any such thing which requires an eventful time. Otherwise, if you walk straight forward, reach some place, open the door and everything is ready made; you walk into a room, everything electrified and you just get your seat; you sit on the seat. If you have to get up, the seat pulls you out. (Laughter) Or, I went to somebody's house and they said, "We have a bed here.” I said, “What's so special?” He said, “If you press this button, your legs will come up. If you press this button, you head will come up, you turn round.” I said, “I can do all that myself! I am not that old or that weak that I can't do it.” But, you see they, the way people are: always looking for comfort, always looking for comfort, and like to have smooth life. And the smoothness has made them so boring. I mean, their life is really boring. And a person who has a boring life cannot have a vision; cannot. Everything is done up now. You go there, everything is first class. There's nothing to worry. You go to a hotel, everything is paid for, nicely kept; it's a very good hotel. But only when in a hotel you are staying and suddenly people tell you, “Oh there's going to be an earthquake!” You run out with your pyjamas and you find yourself in funny companies; and that's what you remember. You may go to various places and live in various comforts and things. You don't remember that. So people now want to do something funny, like they'll go trekking up, doing this, and all those funny sort of things. Because the life is not eventful, they are trying something that is dangerous, that is destroying them. But supposing if you had accepted events in life as important. What does it matter? Let's see what happens. For example, if I say, “Now, some people have to go from here to Phoenix and settle down there.” Immediately you [will say], “How will they go? And where will be the house? Where will they stay? Who will pay for it?" And every question is such a big question they have. But, “Yes, we'll go! What's the harm? We'll stay anywhere: under a tree; doesn't matter. What's that?” After all monkeys can live there, why can't we? They were our forefathers! But that sort of a comfort loving temperament is very dangerous. And they feel they are very tired - all the time. In American films nowadays what I see is anybody, even a heroine or a hero, comes and says, “Haaah!" like that. Perhaps they think too much [that] they are working hard or they are doing this. All the time they think. There’s a Sahaj Yogini in London. She's an Indian girl, works very hard, does every stitching, everything she does. She's very happy. There’s another one who is an Englishman: he’s always tired. So I told her, “Why is he tired? He looks so healthy. Why is he so tired?” She said, “Mother, you know, he thinks he's working. I don't think; I think it's Mother who is working because I leave everything at your Lotus Feet. I am not working. She's working. I'm leaving at Her Lotus Feet, that's all." And then you don't feel that. Now the quarrel between husband and wife here is mainly: “How many dishes you have washed, how many dishes I have washed.” “How much physical work you have done, how much physical work I have done.” It’s a kind of a competition going on as to all the time weigh: “What you have done? What I have done?” But supposing, if you want to do something in such a manner that, “Let me see, I will surprise my husband by doing everything nicely. Let's finish it fast!” You will do it very well, and you'll never be tired. And when you will see your husband coming home and seeing things done so well, so well, so happy. That joy of doing something to make someone happy will completely neutralise all your discomfort, or the fatigue that you have. The other way round, also. The husband should also feel that, "What could I do for her?" A small little thing can make her happy. And the divorces here are all the time because of this kind of a nonsensical idea that, "How much he has done? What I have done? What he has done?” All the time weighing it out and making yourself miserable. I travel a lot as you know. I never feel I am traveling, because I am there with myself. Whether I sit here or travel it's just the same. But if you think, “I am travelling!", then you feel, “Oh God, I am travelling!" But if you just think, “I am sitting here in the chair. I am sitting there in the chair,” you don't feel tired. If you are doing some work, you feel tired when you start thinking, “I am doing this work, I have done that work.” Especially in Sahaj Yoga, if you think, “I am doing any work,” better not do it. But if you think, “I am doing nothing!” and what joy; what joy it is! You will become so energetic, because once you surrender, then the Divine power starts flowing through you. That’s why Mohammed Sahib has said ‘Islam’ - means “to surrender”. He’s said it about me also, that “I'll send you…” He called me ‘The Sent One’. And everything He’s talked about, having the vibrations and all that, in His own style. But He said that the message should be of surrender. And that surrendering part has to be there because Shri Krishna, in Gita, has very clearly said that, “Forget every dharma, just surrender yourself to me.” And that surrendering, if the Sahaj Yogis develop in America, the rest I’ll look after. But you leave it to me to do it. And then ideas and everything will start flowing because this is Virata’s place. That’s why you have such great scientists here, such great schools for all kinds of intellectual work and all that is here. While people are not wise, they are not wise at all. I have known people: I met a president of Jungian Society, who was eighty years of age, and he’s supposed to be the President of the whole world. And he said, "I must see you privately.” I said, "All right." He came to me and his problem was so stupid that I just started looking at him: “An eighty-year-old man? This stupid fellow! He's not even like a ten-year-old boy! No maturity of any kind!” So immature. And when I saw him, I just had the glimpse of the whole thing, that, “Look at this man, eighty-year-old, he's the Chairman of Jungian Society. All over the world, people think him to be the Chairman of this thing.” The chair may be better than him!! (Laughter) Such a stupid fellow, in a way. Such a stupid fellow that you can’t imagine. So they might be intelligent, they might be well-read, they might be able to discover something out of matter, but they do not have wisdom. And the wisdom can only come through honest introspection. But it should not be also, “I am catching on this chakra, I'm catching on that chakra.” Not that. But, “Why am I not seeing the point? What's the matter with me? Why can’t I understand what is Sahaj Yoga?” Even when you have become Sahaj Yogis now, for years together, still these old nonsensical things stick on to you, these ideas stick on to you. Why? Why do we not have that purity of Divine discretion which sees everything so clearly? So I think we need collectivity, first of all, and secondly meditative honesty. Just to meditate, sit down before the photograph, do the meditation - no! Meditation should act, should work. If it does not work, something wrong with you; absolutely something wrong. If you feel everything is working all right, everything is miraculously showing its presence, the presence of the Paramchaitanya, then you are all right. But if it is not so, if there are problems, then you are not, you are not a Sahaj Yogi. Sahaj Yogi is the one who is completely connected with this Paramachaitanya; and for that age is no bar. I have seen girls who are only sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years so wise. Even small little children who were with Guido, I talked to them and I was surprised at their wisdom: so very wise, so beautiful. They understood human nature so well. Small little children: they were at the most, ten years of age. And nice to talk to them. So that wisdom if they can have at that age, now we are also, all of us are about ten-year-old Sahaj Yogis, minimum, nothing else. But still we are struggling, ambitious and wrong priorities. There is no need to have any ambition. Ambition is an imaginary thing. But Sahaj Yoga is reality: everything works out, everything sorts itself, everything plans out. But to feel that if this is so, as I said in a small room there are twelve people - is something for the good. Why not? We have to be there. If I have lost the way, supposing, then I would say I have to go this way. This time we made a ticket which was little wrong according to everyone because we had to go through Phoenix. But nice because I felt the vibrations of Phoenix. I had to go that way. I had to see that. So always to find something smooth, the way we want it to be smooth, is not the way of Sahaj Yoga. But whatever we get, we see the hand of the Divine behind it. What is our purpose of life? Our purpose of life is to save people, save the Americans - minimum of minimums. Not the world, but at least start with Americans. That’s our purpose of life. That's our identity. While doing that, there is Paramchaitanya which is going to look after you completely. But first [if] you put yourself before everything else, “I must have this, I must have that, I must have this,” it won't work out. Then, “I have this problem, I jumped into bankruptcy, I had that problem, I just couldn't manage.” Because you have put other things before your Self: ‘Self’ means the Spirit. According to people, ‘self’ means ‘selfishness’, but according to Sahaj Yoga, Self means ‘your Spirit’. So today's lecture should not be that we hear from one ear and goes through the same one, but should we little bit ponder about it and listen to it again and again. I have great hopes for you. I have worked very hard in America, very much. But it has never been that state where I could say, “Now I can trigger something in you.” Even if there are few Sahaj Yogis who are very deep and good, they are pulled down by others - by jealousies, by this, by that. It’s not the number that you are but the quality that you are, first of all. But in Russia, I found it so easy, so very easy. It was wonderful, unbelievable. I have been only there thrice, can you imagine? And now Sahaj Yoga is a religion throughout. Everyone knows me in Russia. But here people only know Rajneesh or that Muktananda, all horrible people. Now, you can also say that, “Mother, it’s a question of advertising.” That here the people, the way they advertise and manipulate, and all that. But it only works out in places where people are not seeking reality. Why can't they see that this is all publicity? They have no discretion! Supposing tomorrow they say, “This is the hair style!” Then all Americans are in the same hair style. You can't make them out who is who. Or they say, “This is the way the dress has to be!” all Americans will be dressed up that way. I mean it’s a slavery to these entrepreneurs and to all this advertisement. Any kind of advertisement, if that enamours people so much, that means we are fools, we are stupid, we are idiots that we cannot think for ourselves. Anybody can befool us. Anybody can put up anything in the market. Anything they talk about, we’ll jump at it as if we have no brains to understand, to take to it. It’s like we have no roots. We are just like some weeds which are thrown from this end to that end. But in Sahaj Yoga, your roots must grow much, much faster than anybody else, because this is the land of Shri Krishna. How many things He has done in His lifetime we have to see: As a child He killed so many demons, while all demons are invited here. As a child He raised the Kundalini of all the gopis and everyone. He played all kinds of beautiful tricks to amuse people as a child. And later on, He killed His own uncle, which shows one thing - an uncle in Indian families is the nearest person. In the marriage, it is the uncle who gives the daughter, it is the uncle who performs most of the rituals and everything. The uncle is the nearest person. And He killed His own uncle: shows that He finished off all these artificial relationships. And there we find, in America there are people who have done this kind of thing is to have nothing to do with the mother, have nothing to do with the father, have nothing to do with sister or wife, husband, children, anyone. But for what? For what have they given up? They gave it up for selfishness, for money, not for something higher. Just the opposite of what Shri Krishna did; to kill His own uncle to deliver His parents from their prison and also to kill a demon; he was a demon. So in our own understanding, if we understand one thing: that we are living on the soil, or on the soil of that country which is blessed by Shri Krishna, Who is called as Yogeshwara. So the first part was that when He destroyed all these things - He was a Yogeshwara. He was the Divine energy for yoga, for union with the Divine power. He was the Ishwara. He is the Deity. If He was a Deity and He is the One Who is the ruler of this area, then what should we be? In yoga, we should be masters! Not mentally but at that state of the higher state. If that could be achieved, then you people should become the highest of highest yogis, because you have that power existing in this place - it is there. So many have told me that, “Mother, now don't you worry about America. Just forget it. Why to waste time in America? It’s not going to work out. It’s useless.” But I know such a lot of power exists in this country of the Yogeshwara, and if you can use that power of Yogeshwara, you can do so much good to the whole humanity at this juncture when the history is taking another fall. Now those who rise in spirituality - everybody is now today talking of spirituality, even the Prince of Wales the other day was talking that, “We should take to spirituality not to so much materialism that has caused us ecological problems and things like that.” Everybody’s talking of spirituality, and you are the ones who have it with you; you are the ones who have powers with you; you are the ones who can spread it. And once you start spreading it, you will be surprised how you will achieve tremendous heights in every sphere, in every walk of life. So your identity is that you are Sahaj Yogis and you have to use the power of Yogeshwara Who is the presiding Deity of this country. I bless you all that you have that wisdom, that depth, you touch your depth somehow. Try to work it out. Stop all nonsensical fights and things. Become collective. Try to understand each other. Try to open your hearts. You have such depth. You were born in this country because the Yogeshwara wanted you to be here and He has blessed you with all the bounties of His love. Now it is for you to use that tremendous power: the embodiment of madhurya, the sweetness, sweetness. That madhurya you have to imbibe, and that madhurya you have to spread. That’s very important. So that relationship of sweetness between each other, the relation of enjoying each other, the relation of knowing each other, has to be full of sweetness, just like honey. It is just there but we have to be the bee to reach there, and I am sure it will work out. It should work out for all of you. So those who run away from collectivity should be very careful. They are not Sahaj Yogis. And if they continue like this, they’ll be just thrown out. They will be nowhere in Sahaj Yoga, I tell you. So you have to, first of all, understand that, to be in Sahaj Yoga is only possible if we are having that depth, because a new jump is needed in Sahaj Yoga which will work out, which is working out. And many will be thrown out. We have to jump, and for that jumping you really need people who are honest and deep and serious. Don’t get lost onto frivolous things and worldly things. Just seek your depth, it’s all there, so beautiful. So, may God bless you!

5/30/1990

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Becoming a superior personality

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1990-0530 Public Program Day 1, San Diego, USA I have been coming to San Diego since long. The first time I remember when I came here, it was in the year 1972 and for 9 Years I did not come here. I felt that the name of the place means that this is the city of God – Diego means God. But that time people were involved into things which were not reality at all and I thought that let them pass through this circle, otherwise they won’t come to reality and for 9 Years I didn’t come to America. The human problem is on one side that we are seeking something and we are realizing that we have not found the reality, that’s a fact, so we try every sort of thing. We try because we are seeking something. But what are we seeking? What is the Truth? People may say this is the truth, that is the truth and also you will find people identified with wrong things, identified with destructive things and they stick onto it. So, first of all, we have to know what is the Truth. When we talk of Truth, they should really tell us what is the Truth. The Truth is that you are a Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your imagination or your emotions but you are the Spirit because you always say, “mythoughts, my emotions, my ego.” You never say, “I, the ego.” So the ego, and the conditionings and all these things are not your Self. So you have to be the Spirit and all the scriptures have said this. First thing, you have to be the Spirit is the first Truth and the second is that there is the all-pervading power which is a subtle power which does all the living things. We take it for granted. For example, we see the flowers, we take them for granted. We don’t see that yesterday they were just plants and we don’t see these plants yesterday were just seeds. How this living thing has happened? The science says that we were amoeba and today we are human beings. Now, what has worked it out? When we go into the deeper investigation of these things, we reach a point where we think is blank. How these things are working out? What is working it out? So the second Truth is that there is a subtle power that does all this organization. Now when I am talking to you about it, you have to have an open mind of a scientist. If you are already conditioned with something else, it won’t be understood. But if you just have an open mind as a scientist and honesty about it, then you should treat it as a hypothesis and then if you find it, that that’s the Truth, then you must accept it and go deep into it because that is what you are seeking, that is where you have to ascend, that is where you have to become that superior personality and that is what is the breakthrough of your evolution. Then, you must open your mind to it, first of all. America is not such a closed heart as English are, but minds are closed; while the English have closed hearts, but minds are open. It’s a little funny combination. But the English have one good thing about them, that if they find something of the Truth, they get at it. I have been many more times [than] here and I have been every year coming, but I find that in England, people worked it out, very thoroughly, even very, very ordinary people, who came to Sahaja Yoga– not necessarily all of them were scholars – have mastered Sahaja Yoga. They’re not frivolous at all, never. They are very serious-minded people and they will not waste their energy into stupid things, that’s true. But they can be befooled very easily if somebody tries to say big things to them. Say, a Sanscrit scholar comes in then they get enamored. And in America I have found that people are very vulnerable, because they are so simple. Very vulnerable to the show, to the advertisement and things like that. It’s not a showmanship in Sahaja Yoga. It’s something to become; it’s the becoming that is important. What have you become? Now various people ask me thousands of questions about this guru, that guru. I said, ”First of all, you must go and see the disciples.” Now look at Graham, you see him; there are thousands like this. What have they got? Nothing. Bankruptcy most of them. They have become reclusive, they have become mad, they have got sickness. This is not what is promised. Or they are crazy, they can’t explain anything. So, what have they got? First, they must have the power and the power of love that can raise the Kundalini. It’s written in all the scriptures, whatsoever, in different ways, in different styles, n every religion, whether it talks of God or not. There are some religions who do not talk of God; like, Buddhism, Jainism, certain types of Hinduism, or also you can say Islam, in a way, talks if a formless God. Jewish also talk of formless God. But there is one thing common among all of them is this: that seek the eternal and whatever is transitory you treat it with all wisdom and understanding and limitations of that transitory things. But we are so much enamored because you are seeking. Now in America the seeking is frantic, actually. It’s a panicky stuff. It is so frantic that in their seeking only they got into troubles. In their seeking blindly they fell into drugs and AIDS and everything. Only in their seeking. It was not because they wanted to be bad. It was not that they wanted to be sick. It was not that they wanted to take to drugs but they were vulnerable, very simple people and fell entrapped into it. If you see it now after Sahaja Yoga, people see it and they are surprised, how we were enamored by these things. They are very, very simple people, extremely simple. I think they are the simplest in the whole world. Even the South Americans are quite... they think about it, they worry about it, find out if it’s alright or not. They will not jump to any conclusions. They are quite cautious by nature, very cautious. They will not jump into problems till they they have verified and found it. So one thing I must warn you that you must verify, first of all, what are we seeking? And you must judge it from the disciples or from the people who claim to be following a certain thing. Now, you may be thinking about religions. But there are many who have felt that religions are the most misleading things. Now, how do you make Christ and Christianity together and people think if Christianity means all this nonsense that people did is to take a gun in one hand and a bible in another hand, then how is it Christ, who said forgive those who are doing wrong things, on the cross, how could that be tallied? So actually it can be very easily understood if you understand Sahaja Yoga that, unless and until you are united with the reality, you go on drifting onto the left or the right side. As he must have told you here about the Parasympathetic nervous system, we have two other systems which are working within us in the autonomous nervous system, the left and the right side. Like those who go to the right side, because they have not ascended, Sahaja Yoga is for your ascent. So, what happens, unless and until there is union with the Divine power, the yoga, unless and until you are really reborn, not just certified, but really reborn, then you don’t move to the left or to the right.But if you start moving to the left – for example you are this pentecostal system, you are this charismatic system – they are all left-sided systems and you get caught up into a very funny system that we call as the collective subconscious mind. Into the collective subconscious mind you just get possessed and most of the diseases, which we call as psychosomatic, come from the left side, AIDS, all these things. The right-sided movement, which is the movement where we plan too much, we are futuristic, we think about money all the time or religions which are money oriented. They take you towards money so you move to your right and when you start moving to your right too much. then you start using your conscious mind too much and this conscious mind gets tired and that’s how you have got this new disease of Yuppies about which the Americans are worried. This Yuppies disease comes from this too much futuristic thinking and I had told about these diseases a long time back and nobody wants to take notice of it. On the other hand, Russians are there, I mean, comparatively, they are the wisest you could think of, wisest people. They wouldn’t allow Rajneesh to enter in, they wouldn’t allow TM to enter in, they wouldn’t allow any one of these. There are certain fundamentalists, but they don’t think much of them. 60% of Russians are very wise. Now what should we say, I am myself amazed at them. Even their ministers and everybody. We have so much so-called freedom of choice and still in morning we think, “I will eat this, I will eat that.” I mean the attention goes to nonsensical things like that and they had no choices, no choices of any kind. Whatever is available in the market, you have it. If you don’t have it, you don’t have it. It’s like a ship where there are no problems because If something is not on the ship, it’s not there. So they didn’t have to bother about these things. “What dress I should wear?” “What clothes I should wear?” “What should I eat?” Where should I go to see this film or that.” Whatever is available is here and that’s what it is for. It’s like you are bringing up a child in a way that he does not have to bother too much about his choices. Whatever is given, the child takes it and they were brought up that way. By that they did develop a kind of a fear, and an awe, I know that, but other faculties that developed within themselves are remarkable, really remarkable, you won’t believe that. First of all, they do not have class consciousness. You may be the minister of the supreme council or you may be a laborer. They all feel the same way. There is no ego at all, no ego of any kind. A supreme council fellow will come and behave in this same way. I would not be able to make them out that he is this or he is that. All dressed up very well. All of them have good clothes. Now the problems have been created of course by their bureaucrats artificially because they don’t want their power to go away. So they are power-oriented and democracies are all money-oriented. Both things are wrong. We have to be Spirit-oriented. But because the money part was missing there and power was in the hands of wrong people and they were frightened of the power, the people there are very alert and extremely wise and the difference is such a lot. Of course I always feel that Americans are the greatest seekers. They are not such seekers as you are but they are very wise. There’s a difference of attitude. Their attitude is that this is a nice thing, this is the reality, this is what it is and we should take. They’ll discard everything; discard religion, discard everything, but they stick onto the reality and another one is they are not seekers as you are. You are seekers of Truth, no doubt, but as seekers of Truth, if you do not have discrimination to know what is the reality, you fall a prey. And you will be surprised that I have seen that most of the people who have suffered from these diseases have been to some guru or to some false person. Today there have been so many questioning like that. I said, I don’t want to say things that do not exist, but what exists within us is too much of an anxiety to seek the Truth. But because we do not know what is the Truth and how to judge it, we go into problems. This system that is within us is to be known actually after the self realization according to Vedas. Veda: vida means also to know. Know on your central nervous system is Vedas. Bodha, Buddha also means on your central nervous system, not mentally, is beyond mental. All these people, whosoever, whom we call as the originator of religions and all that, have said the same thing, that you have to know yourself. Know Thy Self. Which religions are doing that? So these are no religions. These are man made ideas and that’s why we are misled. This is not going to be for our benevolence, for our ascent, for our last breakthrough into that higher state about which people have talked. So, then we should give up? This is not the whole thing. What is the reality? Let’s go to the reality. Then another point which is very shocking. In England, I don’t know if Graham has told you or not, that the BBC people approached me and they said, ”How is it you say you don’t have to pay?” Anglo saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. Can you imagine? Can you purchase God? Can you purchase divinity? How much did you pay to Christ? You are all supposed to be Christian people. How much did we pay to Christ? How can you pay for it? How much do we pay for our living work? Ask such a question and this is the thing which has struck them the best, the Russians. You can’t pay. We have not paid for our evolution. We have not paid for the living process. Then how can you pay for the last breath. But here people always told me you have to ask for money. Otherwise, Sahaja Yoga won’t grow in America. I said how much are they going to pay for it, first of all? You make it out. How much are we going to pay? When I say you cannot pay you must understand it that it is beyond materialism, that it is beyond all these things that you have to achieve. And on that point it falters, which I think, you please, all of you who are here today, have to think about it seriously. It is not a frivolous game we are playing. It is not that something we are doing so stupidly about things which are so important for us. If you have to save this America, you must get people realized, deep people. I must say that this triggering has happened because we got these people realized. Very few of them had come to a conference, where I was. They all got realization. They went back; within eight days it started working. It’s a fact. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that it has happened that way. But that kind of a depth, that kind of an understanding and discrimination we must have. We must see for ourselves, ask over the question, is this the reality? Also, Sahaja Yoga, you should be cautious and see for yourself: Is this the reality? You should not be judged, because Sahaja Yoga opens doors to everyone. So you should not be judged by stupid people if they come to Sahaja Yoga. It’s alright, everybody is welcome, but you must see: ”What did I get out of it? I would say, as a mother, what was your gain? Selfishness – let’s say selfishness. What did you get out of Sahaja Yoga? Why are you there? What did you get anywhere else? And don’t be under delusion, please. I have told many a times, this country is so great. There are so many saints born here who were seeking before also, but they are so much misled by these advertisements, this artificiality, this superficiality and materialism the worst of all, that it might be destroyed from outside, as they say, but most probably it will be destroyed from inside and that’s what is happening. So you have to, if you have the freedom, you must have freedom to think and to think wisely, to think with discrimination. This is what as a mother I would say. As a mother, I feel, what have you gained? You got horrible people here, you paid them money. You had such hypocrites and horrible people who looted you, exploited you, like simple children and now be aware be careful and come up to the reality, ask for the reality. In Sahaja Yoga, we have no organization, we have no membership. We have, as I told you, nothing of the kind. But you have to become, you have to become something. A state has to be achieved and that is what is the most important thing. Just like you come to my lecture, then go to another lecture, go to another lecture – is useless I tell you, is absolutely useless. And there must be some people who are of that depth, I am sure among you, who can trigger so many things for this country. If you have any patriotism or any feeling for the betterment and the benevolence of your people, you must take to Sahaja Yoga in a serious way. It’s not a joke. It’s not something stupid like people start dancing, sing “Hare Rama, Hare Krishna.” It’s not like that. That anybody can do. Your Kundalini has to rise and you have to feel that cool breeze all around which is described so clearly. It is my heartfelt desire that this country should be saved. It’s a very important country in the universe and not only that, it has another great, great responsibility that it has to communicate. Communication power is the maximum here. Later on in Sahaja Yoga you will know how important is America. Many people have been telling me that, “Mother, why do you go to America? We have the least number of sahaja yogis among the forty nations. Even in Turkey we have more sahaja yogis. So why do you want to go to that country and waste your time unnecessarily because as it is you have to travel so much?” Because I know the potential. I don’t know how to awaken that potential in people that they understand it. It helps in every way. How it helps you, that I will tell you tomorrow, And how it cures you, that also I will tell you tomorrow. But in this country you can’t even cure anyone. You can’t do anything. You’ll have to come to England if you have to get cured. In England there’s no problem. Doesn’t matter. What is important is that first of all you become something, That’s all. Nothing else is needed. You have to become something, you don’t become mad, you don’t become a recluse, you don’t become crazy, you don’t become like a stupid fool but you become knowledgeable to begin with. Then, you become powerful and thirdly, you are completely above, above everything. You become righteous, you become a witness. You become whatever is said about a saint. You become a saint and you don’t have to give up anything. Don’t have to give up your families. Nothing, all this is nonsensical. So, it is my humble request to all of you who are here, which are very few in number. I mean if you... Russia, first time I went to Leningrad, the hall was only for two thousand people and two thousand people were outside, first time. They had never heard my name, nothing. I don’t know from my photograph or whatever their wisdom was. So when I went in, they said that they heard the name Maa from someone. “Maa, what about us? What about us?” I felt so sad, I said I can’t take them. So I was sitting inside, I gave them realization. Everybody got realization. When I went out 2000 were sitting outside, still. I said, ”Now what to do?” I said, ”Tomorrow you come in this open space. Tomorrow morning I will be here.” I went there, the two thousand inside and two thousand outside all were there. It spread like fire there, just like fire. Why here I don’t know what’s going to happen. We’ll have diseases after diseases. What’s going to happen to our country. And today I wanted to warn you, really, because I came here for the first time. First time I came to America, I knew that people are seeking but they were already lost, lost to stupid shows, very stupid shows. I must say that it’s very important. I have a very special feeling for San Diego and I think you will all appreciate and understand your responsibility. Tomorrow, I will explain to you how this Kundalini which is your own power. It has nothing to do with me in a way because you yourself get your own power and that you know about it because you become aware of it. You work it out on your own but you have to be deeper and you must have a deeper movement into it. It’s not something frivolous. It’s not something that you can do this and do that. You have to go deep into it and if you touch your depth then you will find that you will become such a dynamic person, very dynamic and at the same time very compassionate. I have such a concern, very great concern for America and we have to understand that we are the people who are not very successful because success goes into ego. Not in Russia, [but] here, success goes into the ego of the people. So, the so-called successful, the so-called very rich and all that, I don’t have much hopes for them. They will destroy themselves all the time, by their ego or by their wrong doings as they are doing. But those who are sensible, wise, should take it up seriously. I hope next time when I come I will find more sahaja yogis here than we have now. Surprisingly he told me we have only a hundred sahaja yogis in the whole of America while even in Australia we have in thousands. Just can’t understand. Is it that we are going to depend on these entrepreneurs who are trying to befool us or we are going to have our own personality and all our own knowledge, our own capacity? Everyone has to become a guru. You are not to depend on anyone. You have to depend on yourself, on your own knowledge, on your own capacities. You are no less than anybody else. You all have these powers. Only thing is these are to be awakened and to be developed. I would, of course, like to have some questions from you today. Then tomorrow, I won’t be asking questions but I would like to meet you all individually. I did that last time but they are all lost people, again. It’s just like a social event. It is not so. This is your identity, that you work for God. You don’t work for yourself. This is how you find your identity, not by joining some sort of a cult or joining some sort of a funny, crazy thing. Your identity is that you are responsible for God’s work in reality, in understanding. I would like to have your questions. If you can write them and ask me questions it would be better because I would understand it better if you write it and then give me. Or they can come and ask one or two questions verbally, also. Alright, come along. You ask the question, because it is difficult... Sahaja yogi: The question was how can we pursue Sahaja Yoga in development. Are there going to be classes or something that we can follow up on to grow in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Oh, what a nice question. Beautiful. Thank you very much for such a nice question. So very happy to hear such a nice question. We have a center here, we have an ashram here. We have some very good sahaja yogis also, very well equipped, who are anxious to help you. So you have to just get the addresses, you have to telephone them and develop it. Another, very wise people in this country are Chinese. I was surprised. Not Indians, no no no, not Indians. Indians who have come to America are very different type. I don’t know who they are. I always say that if you bring a mango tree from India, it won’t even produce an apple, but Chinese are. I am surprised they have kept their wisdom intact. Chinese are very good and if we have a hundred sahaja yogis, out of them at least twenty-five percent are Chinese. [Sahaja yogi telling about future followup meetings.] This person was speaking to a sahaja yogi about the receptivity of the Russian people. In just a few short months this seeker became a sahaja yogi and he was wondering why the same response was not here. [Sahaja yogi reads out the question to the audience.] Shri Mataji: He is asking how is it that Russians are so receptive and we are not. It’s a question that we should find out the reality, discard everything else. In Sanskrit, there is a saying: causing not this, not this, not this. Then you reach the right path. You go on saying, this is not true, this is not true. Because we have paid it, we have to go through it. You see, this is the problem. If you go and see a place, supposing we have paid for the ticket, it may be the worst play but you go through it because you have paid for it. You have paid for all this nonsense so you go through it. When you go through it you get into troubles. That’s the problem. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji, this question is: what is shakti path kundalini and how does it work? So many are claiming expertise in Kundalini. How do we determine the real teachers from the false ones? Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah. I came here in the year 1972 and I gave lectures everywhere. There was one Dr Chaudhary who was the one who was organizing my programs and he told me, ”Mother, you’d better make it a copyright.” I laughed at him. I said, ”What is the copyright?” He said, ”The copyright is that nobody can use your words.” And I said, ”It’s alright, let them use and I am very happy and if they can do it then I will be even happier. Because, after all, it is a very great thing but there is actually no copyright about it. You have to do it. You have to work it out. How can there be a copyright?” So they picked up all these words and built up all these organizations. There is one gentleman who has also got a Sahaja Yoga and we came to Sahaja Yoga first and now he is making a big money out of it. He is making big money and he came to see me and I told him, ”Why are you making big money out of Sahaja Yoga? You can’t. How much did you pay me?” So he said, ”No, because Americans don’t understand money.” I said, ”It is Americans or you?” And he has really made such a lot of money you have no idea and he is supposed to be teaching Sahaja Yoga only. So anybody who asks for money, you should know its not Sahaja Yoga, by any chance. It has nothing to do with divinity. It has nothing to do with reality. First thing first, it’s a very simple thing. 99.9% of these false people will fall off. You may claim anything but, first of all, what do you get? First question, “What do I get?” Supposing you go to a shop. You have to buy something. You won’t pay for nothing, will you? But here you are paying for sickness, you are paying for craziness, for madness, you are paying for all kinds of bondages. This is the ultimate freedom. Sahaja yogi: How can the search for the higher self be achieved in less than a second when it seems impossible to reach it in a lifetime? What’s next after that? What is the point? Shri Mataji: Yes, you have already spent lives. The time has come now to achieve it in a second. It is true that it is difficult. But maybe there is something about me that I am doing it that fast, isn’t it? Like people used to go to any place. When they first came to San Diego, how much they must have struggled to come here, but today you just have to take a plane and you are here. Already there is speed working everywhere. So why not Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja yogi: This person wants to know what you think of Sai Baba, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Which one? Sahaja yogi: Satya Sai Baba. Shri Mataji: Ah! Horrible. Horrible. You don’t go to anyone who gives diamonds, do you? He distributes diamonds. You can go to the shops and get that. How can you be enamored? That shows materialism, materialistic attitude. I can understand some villagers in India go to him because they would say, “Oh, he gives us a diamond.” But he doesn’t give to villagers. He gives to very rich people who are already well known in India. I know of a politician who was thrown out, absolutely. And the greatest truth that he was one of the greatest followers of this man. If there is somebody who is divine, who is your guru, the divinity must show in your life, in your style, in your methods, in your ways, isn’t it? You can be the greatest crook going round having a guru who gives the diamonds. You have to have the diamond but the diamond of your Spirit. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji, this person asked: Is there an absolute, universal Truth or are there only individual truths that lie in harmony with other individual truths? Shri Mataji: No, it’s absolutely a universal Truth. It’s absolutely universal and the universal being is your Spirit and is through that you can know the universal Truth. Now in Sahaja Yoga I will tell you how. Supposing there are ten children who are realized souls. We have many realized souls now born to sahaja yogis. Now you tie their eyes up with some sort of a bandage and make them stand in line. Ask them, ”What is wrong with this gentleman? ”Supposing somebody is sitting there. They will all point out the same finger. Supposing they point out this finger to you. So you ask that person, ”Is there something wrong with your throat?” “Yes, how do you know?” Because it is on your central nervous system. Again I say, that you feel it: Central Nervous System. Like you take a dog through a dirty passage or something; he won’t mind anything, he won’t smell anything. But you take a human being, he won’t go. On our central nervous system, we have developed so many capacities. In the same way, when you become realized, then on your central nervous system a new dimension of awareness comes in where you become collectively conscious. When you become, again, it is not that, ”We are all one world. We are one human being.” It is not that. It is you become. So you start feeling another person and you can feel yourself also. That’s what it has to comes to, that it is a universal Truth and the universal Truth is actually universal Love and the universal Love knows all the Truth about you. That’s what I am saying, is the all-pervading power and that starts flowing through you. When it starts flowing through you, it gives you the universal Truth. We are all universal beings, to be very frank. God has made different countries, different places, just to create variety. If you see in the nature, one leaf will not agree with another. It’s to create variety and the beauty. He has created America, he has made India and all that. If supposing we were all just the same to look at, we would have looked like Barbara Roberts or something like that and not have looked beautiful. There would have been no beauty. So He created. But we are the ones who have created so many worlds. It’s our mistake. It’s our problem, and that’s why one has to know we are all universal beings. Within us is that Spirit which is the universal being. Jewish will be very happy to know that when I went to Russia, twenty-five Germans came to give them realization. Can you believe that? The Germans came to give them realization. The whole thing was so touching. Even the Russians had tears in their eyes to see the Germans who came all the way to give them realization and to look after them. Now, from where does this transformation come in and the German sahaja yogis, they are the most gentle people you could think of. Gentlest of gentle. It’s very surprising. You won’t call them Germans at all, no more. Han. Now, this is all. Sahaja yogi: Next question is: From Kundalini we seek enlightenment. Zen, another way of seeking enlightenment is there. Are they linked? Sometimes I think I’m starting to see, then it becomes blurry. Shri Mataji: Alright. Sorry to see what? “Sometimes I think I’m starting to see, then it becomes blurry.” What becomes blurry? Sahaja yogi: Seeing the Truth. Shri Mataji: Accha. Kundalini is the one that gives you enlightenment. Zen is the same as Kundalini. Zen has not talked of anything else. Tao is the same. Everything is the same in a different way, but in those days it was not so clearly said, because they did not give realization to people. Even the tree of life that is described in the Bible is the same. Even Mohammad Sahab has described. There is a surah called Yaseen, means yoga sajdah. He has given the words yoga sajdah and in that He has written that your hands will speak when your resurrection will take place. In all these scriptures they have written but the thing is that Zen to understand... I met a gentleman who was the head of the Zen, who came to India. He got very sick so nobody could cure him so they took me down there. So I asked him, ”How are you head of the Zen? You are not even a realized soul.” He said, ”Yes it’s true.” Then I said, ”How are you a Zen head? He said, ”What to do?” I said, ”Why?” He said, ”From the sixth century till the thirteenth century, there were only 26 Kashyapas (means realized souls). After that there have been no realized souls. That’s how I am the head because you can’t... I said, “I’d better give you realization”. He said, ”Please do.” Before realization you can understand these people. Then you can start seeing them between the lines. Before that you don’t see the subtleties. Then Zen is the same. Zen means “Dhyana.” To be in meditation is Zen. Sahaja yogi: This person asks, ”What about Christ, Shri Mataji? What do you have to say about Christ?” Shri Mataji: Christ, I mean, one has to write a big book about it. Christ is the incarnation of innocence and to know about Him you have to read some other books also because He came on this Earth and they just tortured his life. He lived hardly for four years with people and, at such a young age, He was crucified. What He said, that I am the Son of God, it’s a fact. But how will you prove it? How will you prove it? Jews don’t believe it. Muslims don’t believe it. But now, after coming to Sahaja Yoga, Jews and Muslims all believe it, because you can find out on your vibrations; you can find whether He was the Son of God or not. Where he resides in us is the most important point, the gate. He is the gate on the Agnya Chakra. I will tell you about that. He is very important. Without Christ, we cannot work it out. He is the gate; through Him you have to pass, but all others are important. All others are important and He has said it, that those who are not against Me are with Me. And He has also said it, if you have read in the second chapter of the second verse of Mathew. He has said it that, ”You will be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize,” and all these fundamentalists and all these so-called people who talk of Christ, they are the ones He mentioned, “You will be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize you.” They are just money makers, you can see them. There are befooling people. All of them. One and all. Even Catholics, I have seen, the Pope’s things, I mean I can’t believe it. He was worse than that. They have so many things with them, so many and they are just a money-making proposition. The whole organization sits down, how to make money like any big business organization. That’s all. Nothing beyond. Everything is a money-making organization. Somehow, it so happened that I came in contact with people who are very close and you know about so many scandals and things about it. I need not tell you but it is much worse than that. It is much worse. From India, they got hold of some young girls, brought them and with force they made them into these sisters they call them, you can call them the Nuns and they are just cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, washing. One of them escaped and wrote to the Indian Government about it and they had to be rescued, but there are still many lost inside there. Is this the work of God? Has it got something to do with God? I myself was born in a Christian family and I know all their ins and outs very well. This is no Christ. This is no Christianity. They came to our villages with guns in their hands. What’s about this America? Thank God Columbus came here, otherwise you’d have not seen me here. We all Indians would have been finished. Not one person would have been left. You’ll be surprised, in Argentina and Chile you can’t find one aboriginal person. Not one. You might find here but not in Chile or Argentina. All are finished, completely finished and destroyed. Columbus, I don’t know by God’s grace came here. Otherwise, there would have been no Sahaja Yoga either. So this is what it is. To understand all these things, to understand what Christ was and what He is, we have to have our realization. Otherwise, because you were born in a Christian religion you are a Christian. What is this? You could be born anywhere, in any religion. Just a chance. Sahaja Yoga is not a chance. It’s a happening. It’s actualizations, it’s not a chance. So I hope you will come tomorrow and I will give you all the realization. Today I don’t think it is to be done but tomorrow definitely. You call your friends. Call them, talk to them what I have told. Today I have decided that I will give you realization tomorrow, not today and tomorrow you should come and get your realization and then I would like to meet all of you. It’s a very intimate relationship in the sense that I know your Kundalini and I know you, what you are, what are your problems and that’s how I will be looking after you. I hope you will understand this. This is not something that you just go to a cinema show or something. It’s much deeper and has the real significance in your life. It’s for your benevolence, for your protection, for everything. So may God bless you all. May God bless you. Tomorrow I would be here much earlier here and I think I will tell you about the Kundalini as well as I will also give you realization. Actually, as it I told you, in Vedas it is written that the Mantra, Yantra and Tantra. These things are to be told after realization. That is the technique, that is the mantras and also the yantra means this instrument, is to be described after realization, not before. Because otherwise, as you said it, there are shaktipath and Kundalini, all these people claiming to be this and that. It’s very easy in America to claim anything because people are so simple. I know of two persons who escaped from Indian jails and came here, wore that dress and became great gurus. Really, and I know their names also. And if they see me, if they know that I am here, they will run away. They won’t be here nearby anywhere. It’s true. So many of them had come from India who had nothing to eat, were just beefless people working there. They just came here as gurus because you see special category people are allowed in America. This is a special category of thugs. So they come here and nicely settle down and they have really ruined so many people. I know, I feel very ashamed. If I call myself an Indian, I feel very much ashamed the way they have done it. But you should get yourself alright. You should know that. That’s a fact. Now I am feeling sorry for that but what can we do? If you get enamored by such stupid people, you should see their lifestyle. You should see their knowledge. You should see the way they are. It is very easy to make out. It is very easy to make them out. Very easy. Use little intelligence and little tricks. I don’t have to tell you. You can easily bribe them. They can take bribes from you and can say that tomorrow you will go to heaven. Telling lies is an art in India. I can see from here, such lies. How can they tell? They are not afraid of God? It’s an art they have developed in India. Really. I feel so ashamed. A country where people would never tell a lie, they would never lock their houses. They have become so horrid with this 300 Years of slavery. They have become such horrid people there. Don’t trust them. I feel sorry but it is so. What can you do? Now, of course, Sahaja Yoga is taking a big stride in India, very much so. I’d never have listened fifteen to sixteen thousand people coming to Sahaja Yoga, no doubt. Now it’s alright. I have to first tell them off, you have to give up all these nonsensical ideas of exploiting others. Alright, thank you very much. May God Bless you all. Hope to see you tomorrow . Now call your friends, telephone them and get them here. I am here only for tomorrow.

1990-0530 Public Program Day 1, San Diego, USA I have been coming to San Diego since long. The first time I remember when I came here, it was in the year 1972 and for 9 Years I did not come here. I felt that the name of the place means that this is the city of God – Diego means God. But that time people were involved into things which were not reality at all and I thought that let them pass through this circle, otherwise they won’t come to reality and for 9 Years I didn’t come to America. The human problem is on one side that we are seeking something and we are realizing that we have not found the reality, that’s a fact, so we try every sort of thing. We try because we are seeking something. But what are we seeking? What is the Truth? People may say this is the truth, that is the truth and also you will find people identified with wrong things, identified with destructive things and they stick onto it. So, first of all, we have to know what is the Truth. When we talk of Truth, they should really tell us what is the Truth. The Truth is that you are a Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your imagination or your emotions but you are the Spirit because you always say, “mythoughts, my emotions, my ego.” You never say, “I, the ego.” So the ego, and the conditionings and all these things are not your Self. So you have to be the Spirit and all the scriptures have said this. First thing, you have to be the Spirit is the first Truth and the second is that there is the all-pervading power which is a subtle power which does all the living things. We take it for granted. For example, we see the flowers, we take them for granted. We don’t see that yesterday they were just plants and we don’t see these plants yesterday were just seeds. How this living thing has happened? The science says that we were amoeba and today we are human beings. Now, what has worked it out? When we go into the deeper investigation of these things, we reach a point where we think is blank. How these things are working out? What is working it out? So the second Truth is that there is a subtle power that does all this organization. Now when I am talking to you about it, you have to have an open mind of a scientist. If you are already conditioned with something else, it won’t be understood. But if you just have an open mind as a scientist and honesty about it, then you should treat it as a hypothesis and then if you find it, that that’s the Truth, then you must accept it and go deep into it because that is what you are seeking, that is where you have to ascend, that is where you have to become that superior personality and that is what is the breakthrough of your evolution. Then, you must open your mind to it, first of all. America is not such a closed heart as English are, but minds are closed; while the English have closed hearts, but minds are open. It’s a little funny combination. But the English have one good thing about them, that if they find something of the Truth, they get at it. I have been many more times [than] here and I have been every year coming, but I find that in England, people worked it out, very thoroughly, even very, very ordinary people, who came to Sahaja Yoga– not necessarily all of them were scholars – have mastered Sahaja Yoga. They’re not frivolous at all, never. They are very serious-minded people and they will not waste their energy into stupid things, that’s true. But they can be befooled very easily if somebody tries to say big things to them. Say, a Sanscrit scholar comes in then they get enamored. And in America I have found that people are very vulnerable, because they are so simple. Very vulnerable to the show, to the advertisement and things like that. It’s not a showmanship in Sahaja Yoga. It’s something to become; it’s the becoming that is important. What have you become? Now various people ask me thousands of questions about this guru, that guru. I said, ”First of all, you must go and see the disciples.” Now look at Graham, you see him; there are thousands like this. What have they got? Nothing. Bankruptcy most of them. They have become reclusive, they have become mad, they have got sickness. This is not what is promised. Or they are crazy, they can’t explain anything. So, what have they got? First, they must have the power and the power of love that can raise the Kundalini. It’s written in all the scriptures, whatsoever, in different ways, in different styles, n every religion, whether it talks of God or not. There are some religions who do not talk of God; like, Buddhism, Jainism, certain types of Hinduism, or also you can say Islam, in a way, talks if a formless God. Jewish also talk of formless God. But there is one thing common among all of them is this: that seek the eternal and whatever is transitory you treat it with all wisdom and understanding and limitations of that transitory things. But we are so much enamored because you are seeking. Now in America the seeking is frantic, actually. It’s a panicky stuff. It is so frantic that in their seeking only they got into troubles. In their seeking blindly they fell into drugs and AIDS and everything. Only in their seeking. It was not because they wanted to be bad. It was not that they wanted to be sick. It was not that they wanted to take to drugs but they were vulnerable, very simple people and fell entrapped into it. If you see it now after Sahaja Yoga, people see it and they are surprised, how we were enamored by these things. They are very, very simple people, extremely simple. I think they are the simplest in the whole world. Even the South Americans are quite... they think about it, they worry about it, find out if it’s alright or not. They will not jump to any conclusions. They are quite cautious by nature, very cautious. They will not jump into problems till they they have verified and found it. So one thing I must warn you that you must verify, first of all, what are we seeking? And you must judge it from the disciples or from the people who claim to be following a certain thing. Now, you may be thinking about religions. But there are many who have felt that religions are the most misleading things. Now, how do you make Christ and Christianity together and people think if Christianity means all this nonsense that people did is to take a gun in one hand and a bible in another hand, then how is it Christ, who said forgive those who are doing wrong things, on the cross, how could that be tallied? So actually it can be very easily understood if you understand Sahaja Yoga that, unless and until you are united with the reality, you go on drifting onto the left or the right side. As he must have told you here about the Parasympathetic nervous system, we have two other systems which are working within us in the autonomous nervous system, the left and the right side. Like those who go to the right side, because they have not ascended, Sahaja Yoga is for your ascent. So, what happens, unless and until there is union with the Divine power, the yoga, unless and until you are really reborn, not just certified, but really reborn, then you don’t move to the left or to the right.But if you start moving to the left – for example you are this pentecostal system, you are this charismatic system – they are all left-sided systems and you get caught up into a very funny system that we call as the collective subconscious mind. Into the collective subconscious mind you just get possessed and most of the diseases, which we call as psychosomatic, come from the left side, AIDS, all these things. The right-sided movement, which is the movement where we plan too much, we are futuristic, we think about money all the time or religions which are money oriented. They take you towards money so you move to your right and when you start moving to your right too much. then you start using your conscious mind too much and this conscious mind gets tired and that’s how you have got this new disease of Yuppies about which the Americans are worried. This Yuppies disease comes from this too much futuristic thinking and I had told about these diseases a long time back and nobody wants to take notice of it. On the other hand, Russians are there, I mean, comparatively, they are the wisest you could think of, wisest people. They wouldn’t allow Rajneesh to enter in, they wouldn’t allow TM to enter in, they wouldn’t allow any one of these. There are certain fundamentalists, but they don’t think much of them. 60% of Russians are very wise. Now what should we say, I am myself amazed at them. Even their ministers and everybody. We have so much so-called freedom of choice and still in morning we think, “I will eat this, I will eat that.” I mean the attention goes to nonsensical things like that and they had no choices, no choices of any kind. Whatever is available in the market, you have it. If you don’t have it, you don’t have it. It’s like a ship where there are no problems because If something is not on the ship, it’s not there. So they didn’t have to bother about these things. “What dress I should wear?” “What clothes I should wear?” “What should I eat?” Where should I go to see this film or that.” Whatever is available is here and that’s what it is for. It’s like you are bringing up a child in a way that he does not have to bother too much about his choices. Whatever is given, the child takes it and they were brought up that way. By that they did develop a kind of a fear, and an awe, I know that, but other faculties that developed within themselves are remarkable, really remarkable, you won’t believe that. First of all, they do not have class consciousness. You may be the minister of the supreme council or you may be a laborer. They all feel the same way. There is no ego at all, no ego of any kind. A supreme council fellow will come and behave in this same way. I would not be able to make them out that he is this or he is that. All dressed up very well. All of them have good clothes. Now the problems have been created of course by their bureaucrats artificially because they don’t want their power to go away. So they are power-oriented and democracies are all money-oriented. Both things are wrong. We have to be Spirit-oriented. But because the money part was missing there and power was in the hands of wrong people and they were frightened of the power, the people there are very alert and extremely wise and the difference is such a lot. Of course I always feel that Americans are the greatest seekers. They are not such seekers as you are but they are very wise. There’s a difference of attitude. Their attitude is that this is a nice thing, this is the reality, this is what it is and we should take. They’ll discard everything; discard religion, discard everything, but they stick onto the reality and another one is they are not seekers as you are. You are seekers of Truth, no doubt, but as seekers of Truth, if you do not have discrimination to know what is the reality, you fall a prey. And you will be surprised that I have seen that most of the people who have suffered from these diseases have been to some guru or to some false person. Today there have been so many questioning like that. I said, I don’t want to say things that do not exist, but what exists within us is too much of an anxiety to seek the Truth. But because we do not know what is the Truth and how to judge it, we go into problems. This system that is within us is to be known actually after the self realization according to Vedas. Veda: vida means also to know. Know on your central nervous system is Vedas. Bodha, Buddha also means on your central nervous system, not mentally, is beyond mental. All these people, whosoever, whom we call as the originator of religions and all that, have said the same thing, that you have to know yourself. Know Thy Self. Which religions are doing that? So these are no religions. These are man made ideas and that’s why we are misled. This is not going to be for our benevolence, for our ascent, for our last breakthrough into that higher state about which people have talked. So, then we should give up? This is not the whole thing. What is the reality? Let’s go to the reality. Then another point which is very shocking. In England, I don’t know if Graham has told you or not, that the BBC people approached me and they said, ”How is it you say you don’t have to pay?” Anglo saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. Can you imagine? Can you purchase God? Can you purchase divinity? How much did you pay to Christ? You are all supposed to be Christian people. How much did we pay to Christ? How can you pay for it? How much do we pay for our living work? Ask such a question and this is the thing which has struck them the best, the Russians. You can’t pay. We have not paid for our evolution. We have not paid for the living process. Then how can you pay for the last breath. But here people always told me you have to ask for money. Otherwise, Sahaja Yoga won’t grow in America. I said how much are they going to pay for it, first of all? You make it out. How much are we going to pay? When I say you cannot pay you must understand it that it is beyond materialism, that it is beyond all these things that you have to achieve. And on that point it falters, which I think, you please, all of you who are here today, have to think about it seriously. It is not a frivolous game we are playing. It is not that something we are doing so stupidly about things which are so important for us. If you have to save this America, you must get people realized, deep people. I must say that this triggering has happened because we got these people realized. Very few of them had come to a conference, where I was. They all got realization. They went back; within eight days it started working. It’s a fact. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that it has happened that way. But that kind of a depth, that kind of an understanding and discrimination we must have. We must see for ourselves, ask over the question, is this the reality? Also, Sahaja Yoga, you should be cautious and see for yourself: Is this the reality? You should not be judged, because Sahaja Yoga opens doors to everyone. So you should not be judged by stupid people if they come to Sahaja Yoga. It’s alright, everybody is welcome, but you must see: ”What did I get out of it? I would say, as a mother, what was your gain? Selfishness – let’s say selfishness. What did you get out of Sahaja Yoga? Why are you there? What did you get anywhere else? And don’t be under delusion, please. I have told many a times, this country is so great. There are so many saints born here who were seeking before also, but they are so much misled by these advertisements, this artificiality, this superficiality and materialism the worst of all, that it might be destroyed from outside, as they say, but most probably it will be destroyed from inside and that’s what is happening. So you have to, if you have the freedom, you must have freedom to think and to think wisely, to think with discrimination. This is what as a mother I would say. As a mother, I feel, what have you gained? You got horrible people here, you paid them money. You had such hypocrites and horrible people who looted you, exploited you, like simple children and now be aware be careful and come up to the reality, ask for the reality. In Sahaja Yoga, we have no organization, we have no membership. We have, as I told you, nothing of the kind. But you have to become, you have to become something. A state has to be achieved and that is what is the most important thing. Just like you come to my lecture, then go to another lecture, go to another lecture – is useless I tell you, is absolutely useless. And there must be some people who are of that depth, I am sure among you, who can trigger so many things for this country. If you have any patriotism or any feeling for the betterment and the benevolence of your people, you must take to Sahaja Yoga in a serious way. It’s not a joke. It’s not something stupid like people start dancing, sing “Hare Rama, Hare Krishna.” It’s not like that. That anybody can do. Your Kundalini has to rise and you have to feel that cool breeze all around which is described so clearly. It is my heartfelt desire that this country should be saved. It’s a very important country in the universe and not only that, it has another great, great responsibility that it has to communicate. Communication power is the maximum here. Later on in Sahaja Yoga you will know how important is America. Many people have been telling me that, “Mother, why do you go to America? We have the least number of sahaja yogis among the forty nations. Even in Turkey we have more sahaja yogis. So why do you want to go to that country and waste your time unnecessarily because as it is you have to travel so much?” Because I know the potential. I don’t know how to awaken that potential in people that they understand it. It helps in every way. How it helps you, that I will tell you tomorrow, And how it cures you, that also I will tell you tomorrow. But in this country you can’t even cure anyone. You can’t do anything. You’ll have to come to England if you have to get cured. In England there’s no problem. Doesn’t matter. What is important is that first of all you become something, That’s all. Nothing else is needed. You have to become something, you don’t become mad, you don’t become a recluse, you don’t become crazy, you don’t become like a stupid fool but you become knowledgeable to begin with. Then, you become powerful and thirdly, you are completely above, above everything. You become righteous, you become a witness. You become whatever is said about a saint. You become a saint and you don’t have to give up anything. Don’t have to give up your families. Nothing, all this is nonsensical. So, it is my humble request to all of you who are here, which are very few in number. I mean if you... Russia, first time I went to Leningrad, the hall was only for two thousand people and two thousand people were outside, first time. They had never heard my name, nothing. I don’t know from my photograph or whatever their wisdom was. So when I went in, they said that they heard the name Maa from someone. “Maa, what about us? What about us?” I felt so sad, I said I can’t take them. So I was sitting inside, I gave them realization. Everybody got realization. When I went out 2000 were sitting outside, still. I said, ”Now what to do?” I said, ”Tomorrow you come in this open space. Tomorrow morning I will be here.” I went there, the two thousand inside and two thousand outside all were there. It spread like fire there, just like fire. Why here I don’t know what’s going to happen. We’ll have diseases after diseases. What’s going to happen to our country. And today I wanted to warn you, really, because I came here for the first time. First time I came to America, I knew that people are seeking but they were already lost, lost to stupid shows, very stupid shows. I must say that it’s very important. I have a very special feeling for San Diego and I think you will all appreciate and understand your responsibility. Tomorrow, I will explain to you how this Kundalini which is your own power. It has nothing to do with me in a way because you yourself get your own power and that you know about it because you become aware of it. You work it out on your own but you have to be deeper and you must have a deeper movement into it. It’s not something frivolous. It’s not something that you can do this and do that. You have to go deep into it and if you touch your depth then you will find that you will become such a dynamic person, very dynamic and at the same time very compassionate. I have such a concern, very great concern for America and we have to understand that we are the people who are not very successful because success goes into ego. Not in Russia, [but] here, success goes into the ego of the people. So, the so-called successful, the so-called very rich and all that, I don’t have much hopes for them. They will destroy themselves all the time, by their ego or by their wrong doings as they are doing. But those who are sensible, wise, should take it up seriously. I hope next time when I come I will find more sahaja yogis here than we have now. Surprisingly he told me we have only a hundred sahaja yogis in the whole of America while even in Australia we have in thousands. Just can’t understand. Is it that we are going to depend on these entrepreneurs who are trying to befool us or we are going to have our own personality and all our own knowledge, our own capacity? Everyone has to become a guru. You are not to depend on anyone. You have to depend on yourself, on your own knowledge, on your own capacities. You are no less than anybody else. You all have these powers. Only thing is these are to be awakened and to be developed. I would, of course, like to have some questions from you today. Then tomorrow, I won’t be asking questions but I would like to meet you all individually. I did that last time but they are all lost people, again. It’s just like a social event. It is not so. This is your identity, that you work for God. You don’t work for yourself. This is how you find your identity, not by joining some sort of a cult or joining some sort of a funny, crazy thing. Your identity is that you are responsible for God’s work in reality, in understanding. I would like to have your questions. If you can write them and ask me questions it would be better because I would understand it better if you write it and then give me. Or they can come and ask one or two questions verbally, also. Alright, come along. You ask the question, because it is difficult... Sahaja yogi: The question was how can we pursue Sahaja Yoga in development. Are there going to be classes or something that we can follow up on to grow in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Oh, what a nice question. Beautiful. Thank you very much for such a nice question. So very happy to hear such a nice question. We have a center here, we have an ashram here. We have some very good sahaja yogis also, very well equipped, who are anxious to help you. So you have to just get the addresses, you have to telephone them and develop it. Another, very wise people in this country are Chinese. I was surprised. Not Indians, no no no, not Indians. Indians who have come to America are very different type. I don’t know who they are. I always say that if you bring a mango tree from India, it won’t even produce an apple, but Chinese are. I am surprised they have kept their wisdom intact. Chinese are very good and if we have a hundred sahaja yogis, out of them at least twenty-five percent are Chinese. [Sahaja yogi telling about future followup meetings.] This person was speaking to a sahaja yogi about the receptivity of the Russian people. In just a few short months this seeker became a sahaja yogi and he was wondering why the same response was not here. [Sahaja yogi reads out the question to the audience.] Shri Mataji: He is asking how is it that Russians are so receptive and we are not. It’s a question that we should find out the reality, discard everything else. In Sanskrit, there is a saying: causing not this, not this, not this. Then you reach the right path. You go on saying, this is not true, this is not true. Because we have paid it, we have to go through it. You see, this is the problem. If you go and see a place, supposing we have paid for the ticket, it may be the worst play but you go through it because you have paid for it. You have paid for all this nonsense so you go through it. When you go through it you get into troubles. That’s the problem. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji, this question is: what is shakti path kundalini and how does it work? So many are claiming expertise in Kundalini. How do we determine the real teachers from the false ones? Shri Mataji: Yeah, yeah. I came here in the year 1972 and I gave lectures everywhere. There was one Dr Chaudhary who was the one who was organizing my programs and he told me, ”Mother, you’d better make it a copyright.” I laughed at him. I said, ”What is the copyright?” He said, ”The copyright is that nobody can use your words.” And I said, ”It’s alright, let them use and I am very happy and if they can do it then I will be even happier. Because, after all, it is a very great thing but there is actually no copyright about it. You have to do it. You have to work it out. How can there be a copyright?” So they picked up all these words and built up all these organizations. There is one gentleman who has also got a Sahaja Yoga and we came to Sahaja Yoga first and now he is making a big money out of it. He is making big money and he came to see me and I told him, ”Why are you making big money out of Sahaja Yoga? You can’t. How much did you pay me?” So he said, ”No, because Americans don’t understand money.” I said, ”It is Americans or you?” And he has really made such a lot of money you have no idea and he is supposed to be teaching Sahaja Yoga only. So anybody who asks for money, you should know its not Sahaja Yoga, by any chance. It has nothing to do with divinity. It has nothing to do with reality. First thing first, it’s a very simple thing. 99.9% of these false people will fall off. You may claim anything but, first of all, what do you get? First question, “What do I get?” Supposing you go to a shop. You have to buy something. You won’t pay for nothing, will you? But here you are paying for sickness, you are paying for craziness, for madness, you are paying for all kinds of bondages. This is the ultimate freedom. Sahaja yogi: How can the search for the higher self be achieved in less than a second when it seems impossible to reach it in a lifetime? What’s next after that? What is the point? Shri Mataji: Yes, you have already spent lives. The time has come now to achieve it in a second. It is true that it is difficult. But maybe there is something about me that I am doing it that fast, isn’t it? Like people used to go to any place. When they first came to San Diego, how much they must have struggled to come here, but today you just have to take a plane and you are here. Already there is speed working everywhere. So why not Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja yogi: This person wants to know what you think of Sai Baba, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Which one? Sahaja yogi: Satya Sai Baba. Shri Mataji: Ah! Horrible. Horrible. You don’t go to anyone who gives diamonds, do you? He distributes diamonds. You can go to the shops and get that. How can you be enamored? That shows materialism, materialistic attitude. I can understand some villagers in India go to him because they would say, “Oh, he gives us a diamond.” But he doesn’t give to villagers. He gives to very rich people who are already well known in India. I know of a politician who was thrown out, absolutely. And the greatest truth that he was one of the greatest followers of this man. If there is somebody who is divine, who is your guru, the divinity must show in your life, in your style, in your methods, in your ways, isn’t it? You can be the greatest crook going round having a guru who gives the diamonds. You have to have the diamond but the diamond of your Spirit. Sahaja yogi: Shri Mataji, this person asked: Is there an absolute, universal Truth or are there only individual truths that lie in harmony with other individual truths? Shri Mataji: No, it’s absolutely a universal Truth. It’s absolutely universal and the universal being is your Spirit and is through that you can know the universal Truth. Now in Sahaja Yoga I will tell you how. Supposing there are ten children who are realized souls. We have many realized souls now born to sahaja yogis. Now you tie their eyes up with some sort of a bandage and make them stand in line. Ask them, ”What is wrong with this gentleman? ”Supposing somebody is sitting there. They will all point out the same finger. Supposing they point out this finger to you. So you ask that person, ”Is there something wrong with your throat?” “Yes, how do you know?” Because it is on your central nervous system. Again I say, that you feel it: Central Nervous System. Like you take a dog through a dirty passage or something; he won’t mind anything, he won’t smell anything. But you take a human being, he won’t go. On our central nervous system, we have developed so many capacities. In the same way, when you become realized, then on your central nervous system a new dimension of awareness comes in where you become collectively conscious. When you become, again, it is not that, ”We are all one world. We are one human being.” It is not that. It is you become. So you start feeling another person and you can feel yourself also. That’s what it has to comes to, that it is a universal Truth and the universal Truth is actually universal Love and the universal Love knows all the Truth about you. That’s what I am saying, is the all-pervading power and that starts flowing through you. When it starts flowing through you, it gives you the universal Truth. We are all universal beings, to be very frank. God has made different countries, different places, just to create variety. If you see in the nature, one leaf will not agree with another. It’s to create variety and the beauty. He has created America, he has made India and all that. If supposing we were all just the same to look at, we would have looked like Barbara Roberts or something like that and not have looked beautiful. There would have been no beauty. So He created. But we are the ones who have created so many worlds. It’s our mistake. It’s our problem, and that’s why one has to know we are all universal beings. Within us is that Spirit which is the universal being. Jewish will be very happy to know that when I went to Russia, twenty-five Germans came to give them realization. Can you believe that? The Germans came to give them realization. The whole thing was so touching. Even the Russians had tears in their eyes to see the Germans who came all the way to give them realization and to look after them. Now, from where does this transformation come in and the German sahaja yogis, they are the most gentle people you could think of. Gentlest of gentle. It’s very surprising. You won’t call them Germans at all, no more. Han. Now, this is all. Sahaja yogi: Next question is: From Kundalini we seek enlightenment. Zen, another way of seeking enlightenment is there. Are they linked? Sometimes I think I’m starting to see, then it becomes blurry. Shri Mataji: Alright. Sorry to see what? “Sometimes I think I’m starting to see, then it becomes blurry.” What becomes blurry? Sahaja yogi: Seeing the Truth. Shri Mataji: Accha. Kundalini is the one that gives you enlightenment. Zen is the same as Kundalini. Zen has not talked of anything else. Tao is the same. Everything is the same in a different way, but in those days it was not so clearly said, because they did not give realization to people. Even the tree of life that is described in the Bible is the same. Even Mohammad Sahab has described. There is a surah called Yaseen, means yoga sajdah. He has given the words yoga sajdah and in that He has written that your hands will speak when your resurrection will take place. In all these scriptures they have written but the thing is that Zen to understand... I met a gentleman who was the head of the Zen, who came to India. He got very sick so nobody could cure him so they took me down there. So I asked him, ”How are you head of the Zen? You are not even a realized soul.” He said, ”Yes it’s true.” Then I said, ”How are you a Zen head? He said, ”What to do?” I said, ”Why?” He said, ”From the sixth century till the thirteenth century, there were only 26 Kashyapas (means realized souls). After that there have been no realized souls. That’s how I am the head because you can’t... I said, “I’d better give you realization”. He said, ”Please do.” Before realization you can understand these people. Then you can start seeing them between the lines. Before that you don’t see the subtleties. Then Zen is the same. Zen means “Dhyana.” To be in meditation is Zen. Sahaja yogi: This person asks, ”What about Christ, Shri Mataji? What do you have to say about Christ?” Shri Mataji: Christ, I mean, one has to write a big book about it. Christ is the incarnation of innocence and to know about Him you have to read some other books also because He came on this Earth and they just tortured his life. He lived hardly for four years with people and, at such a young age, He was crucified. What He said, that I am the Son of God, it’s a fact. But how will you prove it? How will you prove it? Jews don’t believe it. Muslims don’t believe it. But now, after coming to Sahaja Yoga, Jews and Muslims all believe it, because you can find out on your vibrations; you can find whether He was the Son of God or not. Where he resides in us is the most important point, the gate. He is the gate on the Agnya Chakra. I will tell you about that. He is very important. Without Christ, we cannot work it out. He is the gate; through Him you have to pass, but all others are important. All others are important and He has said it, that those who are not against Me are with Me. And He has also said it, if you have read in the second chapter of the second verse of Mathew. He has said it that, ”You will be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize,” and all these fundamentalists and all these so-called people who talk of Christ, they are the ones He mentioned, “You will be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognize you.” They are just money makers, you can see them. There are befooling people. All of them. One and all. Even Catholics, I have seen, the Pope’s things, I mean I can’t believe it. He was worse than that. They have so many things with them, so many and they are just a money-making proposition. The whole organization sits down, how to make money like any big business organization. That’s all. Nothing beyond. Everything is a money-making organization. Somehow, it so happened that I came in contact with people who are very close and you know about so many scandals and things about it. I need not tell you but it is much worse than that. It is much worse. From India, they got hold of some young girls, brought them and with force they made them into these sisters they call them, you can call them the Nuns and they are just cleaning, sweeping, swabbing, washing. One of them escaped and wrote to the Indian Government about it and they had to be rescued, but there are still many lost inside there. Is this the work of God? Has it got something to do with God? I myself was born in a Christian family and I know all their ins and outs very well. This is no Christ. This is no Christianity. They came to our villages with guns in their hands. What’s about this America? Thank God Columbus came here, otherwise you’d have not seen me here. We all Indians would have been finished. Not one person would have been left. You’ll be surprised, in Argentina and Chile you can’t find one aboriginal person. Not one. You might find here but not in Chile or Argentina. All are finished, completely finished and destroyed. Columbus, I don’t know by God’s grace came here. Otherwise, there would have been no Sahaja Yoga either. So this is what it is. To understand all these things, to understand what Christ was and what He is, we have to have our realization. Otherwise, because you were born in a Christian religion you are a Christian. What is this? You could be born anywhere, in any religion. Just a chance. Sahaja Yoga is not a chance. It’s a happening. It’s actualizations, it’s not a chance. So I hope you will come tomorrow and I will give you all the realization. Today I don’t think it is to be done but tomorrow definitely. You call your friends. Call them, talk to them what I have told. Today I have decided that I will give you realization tomorrow, not today and tomorrow you should come and get your realization and then I would like to meet all of you. It’s a very intimate relationship in the sense that I know your Kundalini and I know you, what you are, what are your problems and that’s how I will be looking after you. I hope you will understand this. This is not something that you just go to a cinema show or something. It’s much deeper and has the real significance in your life. It’s for your benevolence, for your protection, for everything. So may God bless you all. May God bless you. Tomorrow I would be here much earlier here and I think I will tell you about the Kundalini as well as I will also give you realization. Actually, as it I told you, in Vedas it is written that the Mantra, Yantra and Tantra. These things are to be told after realization. That is the technique, that is the mantras and also the yantra means this instrument, is to be described after realization, not before. Because otherwise, as you said it, there are shaktipath and Kundalini, all these people claiming to be this and that. It’s very easy in America to claim anything because people are so simple. I know of two persons who escaped from Indian jails and came here, wore that dress and became great gurus. Really, and I know their names also. And if they see me, if they know that I am here, they will run away. They won’t be here nearby anywhere. It’s true. So many of them had come from India who had nothing to eat, were just beefless people working there. They just came here as gurus because you see special category people are allowed in America. This is a special category of thugs. So they come here and nicely settle down and they have really ruined so many people. I know, I feel very ashamed. If I call myself an Indian, I feel very much ashamed the way they have done it. But you should get yourself alright. You should know that. That’s a fact. Now I am feeling sorry for that but what can we do? If you get enamored by such stupid people, you should see their lifestyle. You should see their knowledge. You should see the way they are. It is very easy to make out. It is very easy to make them out. Very easy. Use little intelligence and little tricks. I don’t have to tell you. You can easily bribe them. They can take bribes from you and can say that tomorrow you will go to heaven. Telling lies is an art in India. I can see from here, such lies. How can they tell? They are not afraid of God? It’s an art they have developed in India. Really. I feel so ashamed. A country where people would never tell a lie, they would never lock their houses. They have become so horrid with this 300 Years of slavery. They have become such horrid people there. Don’t trust them. I feel sorry but it is so. What can you do? Now, of course, Sahaja Yoga is taking a big stride in India, very much so. I’d never have listened fifteen to sixteen thousand people coming to Sahaja Yoga, no doubt. Now it’s alright. I have to first tell them off, you have to give up all these nonsensical ideas of exploiting others. Alright, thank you very much. May God Bless you all. Hope to see you tomorrow . Now call your friends, telephone them and get them here. I am here only for tomorrow.

5/31/1990

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Public Program Day 2. San Diego (USA), 31 May 1990. I bow to all the seekers of Truth.As you are seekers of Truth whatever one may tell, you should not accept it, to begin with. People can claim anything but that doesn’t mean that you must believe into it.But one must know that truth is what it is; we cannot organize it, we cannot maneuver it, we can not create it: it is, it was and it will be. And I told you yesterday what is the truth and the truth is that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, you are not these conditionings, your ego, your emotions: you are the Spirit. This is one thing.And then there is a subtle power, living power, power of God’s Love, that does all the living work, all the evolutionary work, all the creation and all the comforting and joyous things, which we do not feel, about which people have talked in every scripture. Like in the Bible they say the All Pervading Power of God; or in Koran they call it gudran [Rooh or al-Qudus]. In Sanskrit language it is called as Param Chaitanya. In every religion, in every scripture, which is sensible, it’s written about it.So, the first thing one has to do is to feel that power. Unless and until you can feel that power, you cannot understand any religion nor the people who came as incarnations or as prophets or as saints. And that is the reason why all the saints had to suffer, all the incarnations had to suffer, because the people in general never knew there is a subtle power of God’s Love.As we say there is God the Father, God the Son, there has to be God the Mother.In every religion, except for Christianity, they openly talked about this primordial Mother. Even the Greeks knew about it, Babylonians knew about it. I was surprised that even in South America there was a big, very big awakening about it and they used to worship the Mother God.But somehow in Christianity – I think it was Paul, [Saul of Tarsus] who was a Roman to begin with and a tyrannical officer, who even killed a disciple of Christ, Stephen. He is the one who changed the complete picture of Christianity. He never knew Christ, he was epileptic and a very hot tempered man; and even he fought with Matthew, because he could not accept the Immaculate Conception of Christ. A person who is not even realised, who has led such a tyrannical life, why he did come to Christianity? He came to Christianity because he thought it was a very good platform for him to jump onto.I face that in Sahaja Yoga also. There are people in Sahaja Yoga who come and they just some times think that such a big worldly affair they can handle, so they try to rule and they try to take to power. They don’t even feel the vibrations, they don’t even feel the All pervading Power, but they think it’s a good platform to occupy.And this Mr Paul was again born as Augustine and he did even much worse for Christianity. My father was a very learned man, I asked him, I said, “Who is this Paul and how is he there?” So he told me, “I don’t understand, he’s a stranger”. And then I asked why Martin Luther, of all things, did not describe the Mother? He said that “It was true that Matthew Luther was a Realised soul and he wanted to deviate from Catholicism, but he thought that, at that time, to talk about the Mother would not appeal to many people who were islamic. So to convert them to Christianity would be difficult”. It was a little expediency, I think, [that] they did not refer to the Mother.So they called it the “Holy Ghost”. It was a funny thing to call, I tell you, really, and then to call it a “dove”. That’s also - I can’t understand - a symbol. All the time you find a “dove” everywhere. But in so many paintings, I have seen people putting their hands like this [straight forward], who are the disciples of Christ and I see the lights coming out of their heads.We have photographs, miraculous photographs, but of sahaja yogis, all of them are sitting like you and on there head there is light.But all these things took such a form, such an organization. Even a person like Kalil Gibran has talked in complete chapter about Paul, denouncing him completely. Nobody took heat of it. He was an organizer, a power oriented gentleman, wanted to have a big power and his place in the Bible, how does he come in the Bible? I mean, he has nothing to do with the Bible.And even in the Churches they read what he has said, an epileptic fellow. You’ll find out in Sahaja Yoga, that epilepsy is caused by possession, and if the possession is removed, you can cure epilepsy. In Russia we have been able to cure epilepsy of so many people. Of course medicine doesn’t have this cure.I myself studied medicine and I know the limitations of medicine. It deals just with the outwards symptoms of human beings. It’s like a tree which is sick, so you try to look after the leaves and give medicines to the leaves, how can you cure the tree?You have to go to the roots and to go to the roots you have to become a subtler personality. If you can reach the roots, then the whole tree can be nourished.Now this is the knowledge of the roots, while what we see outside is the knowledge of the tree.If the tree grows much more in proportion to the root, then you know what can happen and that’s what today we are afraid of, that we might be completely destroyed. We are on the brink of some sort of a horrible shock that’s going to come to us. It seems there is a tremendous fear in the minds of people here.Apart from the simple nature of Americans, they are also very much frightened and whatever comes in their way they grab, they try to get hold of it.This is another problem you are facing. There is nothing to be afraid of, this world is not going to be destroyed. The Creator who has created you is the father of all the fathers and kindest of all the kindest, He cannot allow His creation to be destroyed. So don’t believe these money-makers who are telling you that this world is going to be destroyed. That problem of war is over now thanks to Gorbachov. The other ecological problems also can be solved if you people get your realisation, very, it’s a very simple thing to solve the problem. But if you start getting at everything without thinking, without discrimination, then definitely, definitely America could be destroyed. And if there is any country that will be destroyed first will be America, not from without, from within.That is why I am so concerned, so concerned that you should take some heed, some attention to this aspect, what is missing in us. Think of your children and think of the progeny and think of your country, where are we going? And then you will realise that you have failed in one point: that you have not turned to your roots, that you have not tried to find out what your roots are.It is useless to say that this country is only two hundred year old, country may be two hundred year old, but you are not, you are antics, you are born so many times before, in so many countries and you have been seekers. You are seekers and seekers, in ages you have been growing in that seeking; and today you are here to seek. But only thing what you have lost in this seeking is the discrimination and that is why I say, whatever one may say, even if I say something, you need not believe.Please don't, blind faith is not going to help you to get your realisation. Neither your denying it, you have to have an open mind as I told you, like a scientist, you must se this hypotesis if it [..], if it works; then, please, as honest people you must accept it.There is no secret in Sahaja Yoga, no secret. My life is not a secret. Nothing is a secret, everybody knows what is happening in Sahaja Yoga. So, first of all, I have to tell you that you keep your minds open. Then I have to tell you about this machinery that is within us created, because of our evolution.As you see there, there are seven centres which are placed in the central line and there are two lines on both the sides, left and right. Out of this, the first centre is below the Kundalini which is in the triangular bone, known as sacrum. "Sacrum" means "sacred"; and Greek people, Greek museum people told Me that Greeks considered this bone as a sacred bone. So in this resides this power which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language.Now this Kundalini is coiled and the coil is called as Kundal, that is why is called as Kundalini. Now it is a female, is the power which is female and is the reflection of the Primordial Mother in you, in Sanskrit called Adi Shakti.Of course, Indians knew about it, thousands of years back, no doubt. No doubt. Fourteen thousand years back they say - I do not know if the English would accept that we were that old or not, but it is said so. People have written about it. This power rises, six centres it penetrates and the senventh one is at the base of it. Now, the seventh one looks after your excretion; or if you are doctors you will undertand that it also looks after the pelvic plexus. So also the sex is looked after by this. So it is clearcut that in your ascent sex plays no part; that is why Chist has said that you have to be like small children to ascend. Actually, when Kundalini rises your attention is no more on sex. All your excretionary function stop, completely.So, now here, mr Froid, or later on - you can say - Rasputin, or then Rajneesh, all those who talked of sex being in the power of Kundalini are absolutely wrong. And then how is it that Christ has said He... He corrected the Ten Commandaments out of that, He said "Thy shall not have adulterous eyes". "Eyes", such a subtle point is it. Why He said that?In America now, when I come here, I mean, I see everybody's eyes like this [Shri Mataji shakes Her hands]. All the time, they don't have steady eyes at all. They are Christians, followers of Christ. And some times surprises, in the beginning you see one gets a cultural shock to see "What is this? What are they looking at? What are they looking at?". It is a joyless pursuit. Eveyone knows, but the eyes have become like that, because they have lost their innocence. But, for your information, innocence is never lost, never lost. Only it gets conditioned or clouded. That's all. But it is never lost. I have seen now in my work that everyone, whether they were English or they were Greeks or they were Americans, anybody who gets their awakenings, gets a steady eye, and an innocent eye. And these eyes could be so powerful that even attention of these eyes, or even a glance of these eyes can transform, can comfort, can redeem. And that is why Christ has said it.But actually the deity of innocence resides there, at the seventh centre, He incarnates as Christ at the six centre here, between the optic chiasma, which is living energy to our eyes. The essence of Bible can only be understood if you are a realised soul and you can read between the lines. Though I must say that this mr Paul has tried to destroy a lot of it; whatever he might have tried, there are so many truths still there in the Bible. And we can see them so clearly, we can feel them, we can understand them... I mean, for example, once you are a realised soul, a Hindu might say (beacuse I was born in a Christian family), he would say "Why did you take your birth in a Christian family? Do you believe in Christ?", I said "Of course". So, I will just say, "All right, you ask a question like this [Shri Mataji stretch out Her hands], put hands towards Me and ask a question, call Me Mother «Mother, is,was Christ the son of God?»" and he gets cool breeze on his hand, tremendous cool breeze and he is surprised. Then we have the first centre, which is (I told you), is of sex, and sex has nothing to do with your ascent. Only the human beings can get the Realization, not animals. They too have sex. But that does not mean that sex there is something wrong, is one of the functions of the body, is an important function. But it has nothing to do with Divine work.As you go to the bathroom, you have sex. That is all.So much accent is given, I am surprised, despite that, you have minus population. While in India we never talk of sex; I mean, this word "sex" I could not pronounce, when I came to London first, because we do not say this word, is regarded, it spoils your tongue. To say "sex" also with your tongue was something impure, but then I practiced a little bit. But I was very bashful while saying that.So, this is, it is not necessary to put such an accent and to have a mental thinking about it, because if you do mentally too much, then you will definitely either you will go to one extreme, become a rapist and things like that, and on the other side you may become impotent. One of the two things will happen.I mean, in India, we have seldom heard stories of rape and all that, seldom, and we never think of - I am telling not of Westernized Indian, but about villager - where an eighty-year-old woman, grandmother, writing love letters to an eighteen-year-old grandson. I mean, if you tell somebody they will think I am befooling them, it is impossible. So whatever were natural barriers are finished by our so-called freedom, which is actually abandonment. But after Sahaja Yoga, I do not have to tell you, anything, you just become righteous, you just become righteous, I do not have to tell you.Like people who take to drugs, came to Sahaja Yoga (and I must say English are that way, something deep about them also) overnight they give up their drugs, overnight, I did not tell them. I never told them and never even talked about drugs. Alcoholism. There was a doctor who is such an alcoholic, he was out of job he was on [..] and today he is running seven hospitals in London. Overnight. What has happened actually that, supposing you are holding onto a snake and it is darkness, and if I say "There's a snake in your hand", you will say "No, it is not, it is a rope". How can you argue with a person till the snake bites? So you put on the light; with the light, you throw it away yourself, do not have to tell anything, do not have to argue. So your Spirit is enlightened, your attention is enlightened with the light of the Spirit and you see what is wrong, what is wrong with you, what are you holding onto, and you just give it up; and you become so powerful to give up any habit, it is so easy, so easy for you to give up, overnight I have seen people have given up all their bad habits, which are really destructive, these are all destructive habits. Whether you like it or not, but they are destructive, let us face it!But you lose your willpower, using those habits, as a result, you cannot give it up, it is a helpless condition. No use forcing, no use giving lecturing, no use making a [..] out of it, just get your Self, get to your Self and the light of your Self and it will show you how powerful you are, how great you are, what is your glory, what is your identity. And then you are surprised because you are connected with that Divine power, the power starts flowing through you, and you are surprised how your life is changing and how you have a become a [..] for God. Once, as of course coming to America, I was coming by ship and the captain told Me that "We are sending an SOS for a person who has got pneumonia". I said "I go and cure that person", but, you see, I was the wife of the owner so they would not allow Me to go down. So I said: "All right, you have got Realization, you just go and touch that man, that is all". He went down and put his hand on his lungs and told him to stop his breathing trice; his pneumonia was cured. He was so amazed, he came up and he said "How could I do it?", I said: "Because is flowing through you".Even supposing an ordinary man gets the kingdom and he is asked to sit on the throne and he looks this side, that side whether I should sit or not. In the same way, though you achieve a position, such a high status, you are little frightened to occupy and accept that position. But I have seen people who are not Realized souls, who do not know anything about Divinity, their lives are full of falsehood, they are very bad character people, they become big gurus shamelessly, they claim such big, big things, they have no fear of God, they have no fear of anything. "So what? If I have to go tomorrow to jail doesn't matter, I'll have so much money with me".But a Sahaja Yogi is very humble, he keeps to himself, he is very contented. And he does not change his outward dress or he does not put on some sort of funny dress, but he is normal just like as you are. He does not do anything abnormal. I think Sahaja Yogis become the most normal people, but you will be surprised, those who have seen them, say "These are angels, these are not human beings, these are angels". So this transformation takes place as this Kundalini rises in our centres.So the first centre, according to real where the Kundalini enters is the second one which you see as the yellow one. Now, this is the centre which is responsible for our creativity. I have seen many artists in India, they are extremely anxious to play before Me and once they are playing before Me or twice, they become world famous artists. So many of them will tell you about Me. now so they want to take my photograph and put it there to show to people that I am their guru; I said "I am not your guru, I have not taught you music; only thing is that your Kundalini has risen, I have nothing to do with it. You had your technique with you, only thing because your Kundalini has risen you have become so dynamic and you are expressing yourself without any fear, without any inhibition". A simple thing like that. But this centre we use too much, especially in the west, when we think too much. And when we think too much, we use the energy of this centre, because this centre is responsible for converting fat cells into grey cells for the use of the brain. So when you think too much, then it gets entangled or it gets busy with this only one function, while it has to do so many functions. Like, it has to look after your liver, it has to look after your pancreas, it has to look after your spleen, it has to look after your intestines and also your kidneys.So a person who thinks too much, plans too much, who is futuristic. Such a person gets a bad liver; and when you get a bad liver, means an over-actively work: the function of the liver is to absorb the heat (which is a poison within us) and to release it into the bloodstream... becomes impossible! So the heat starts rising, you lungs collapse with the heat you get asthma, if rises higher you might get a massive heart attack, it goes down you get constipation, it can coagulate your kidneys you get kidney troubled you cannot pass urine. Only one liver can bring all these problems to you.Then the second thing that is affected by over-thinking is pancreas, by which you get diabetes. Now in India in a village, if you go, even in Nepal, they take sugar as much that spoon must stand at right angle, so much sugar they must take, they never get diabetes, never, they do not what diabetes is; because they work the whole day, in the night they sleep on; again the next day get up, work the whole day, they do not think. Same with their wives, they do not think, same they are working in the daytime, they sleep in the night. But, too much spare time that we have, we start thinking. They do not future plan so much, what comes their way, they [..], they organize it and live with it.So this diabetes is a special disease of the people who are planners, who are futuristic, who think too much and who worry too much. It is a vicious circle. Once you get diabetes you worry too much, so you get more diabetes.Then comes the third diseases which is much more dangerous and very common in America, comes from the spleen, spleen has also to be looked after by the same centre, which we call as Swadishthan. Now the spleen part, the role of the spleen in our body is very important because it keeps our rhythm. It is for the rhythm of the body, rhythm with the nature.Now our life is so hectic. Now, it has to produce red blood corpuscles according to a certain rhythm, but we have no rhythm. Any emergency that comes in, it has to produce red blood corpuscles. But say early in the morning we read newspapers, this is the worse curse, I think, for spleen. So you get a shock, I mean so many killed, they will never give good news, never, out of question, because they have to give sensations to you, you see, shocks. So they will give horrible news by which your spleen will start pulsating, giving you more [..]. Then you get in your car without taking your breakfast, breakfast is in your hand, you are eating something, driving because you are getting late. We are time-bound. On the way we find all the road jammed, then we get upset "How are we to reach?". Then we go to the office, we are slightly late and the boss is shouting at you and you are in a mess. All these things build up a tension as we call it, but is nothing but ordinary [..] hectic life of work that gives us.Actually the life should be such that you start your office at 11 o'clock, better is; and you sit down with your wife, have your food in a rhythmic way. And in the daytime you must have a siesta.If Americans have a siesta in their daytime, all the tensions will disappear; because in the daytime all the deities sleep, all the deities who are in these centres, they sleep. So even if you can have a siesta, even for half an hour, I tell you the tensions will disappear. On the contrary, the pressure mounts on with the work "This is to be done, that is to be done" you rush... I mean, Americans never used to speak so fast, I tell you; now there is you cannot follow any news, you cannot follow what they speak, I mean it is impossible! Because the words go like a telescope into you, one each other and the whole life is so made that you feel that they are all under some sort of earthquake shock or something. Everyone is running helter-skelter, this that. You go into a shop, you go, if you see, everybody is wearing, like an actress, on the road, anywhere. This is the curse of the modern times, but also the blessing of modern time is Sahaja Yoga. That is why there is. Because all these problems have come up that is why now we have this blessing of Sahaja Yoga also.So what happens, when this poor spleen, becomes under the [..] and crazy, then any shock from the left side can manifest a very serious disease called as blood cancer. Now this blood cancer has been definitely cured by your Kundalini awakening. I do not cure, because if I say that all the government will arrest Me. So I would say: your Kundalini cures this blood cancer. And there are many who have been cured of blood cancer. Then the third problem is of high blood pressure, comes from the kidney. The kidney also coagulates. To begin with is in such a small dimension that you do not feel it; but because of that, the pressure rises. Then it stops functioning because it coagulates. This also is absolutely curable through awakening of your Kundalini. Then the last is the constipation. I mean, I have seen in Switzerland, people eat something that we give to buffalos in India, I mean we cannot think of eating that. They were shocked, I said: "How can you eat these cotton seeds?" He said: "This is very good for roughage". I said "But what this roughage? Tomorrow you will start eating wood or what?!".Why do you need so much roughage? Because of this problem. So nothing seems to be normal for people who think too much. And the- another side is where they do not think at all, absolutely lethargic organs also. So there are two types of human beings: one on the right side, one on the left side.Those who are sitting and crying and weeping about their past: "I had a very nice time and now it's all end, I had very good parents and now I have a horrid husband" Sorts of things goes on and on. At that time they become left sided.So we have two types of people: one who are thinking at the future and those who are thinking of the past.Both the side are nourished or looked after by we call the left and right sympathetic nervous system: the left looks after the left side, the right looks after the right side.But if we, somehow or other, get into the centre, then we do not suffer from anyone of these troubles. Our attention is, say, like this saree, I will show you, like this it moves up [Shri Mataji put Her finger under the saree and pull it up] and it pulls all our tensions in the centre through the Kundalini till it pierces through the seventh centre. And then we are in the centre. Once we come in the centre, we are absolutely there, where we are in moderation, we know how far to go with every [..] and we lead a very peaceful, nice life. We accept the life with great joy, as it is. We do not hanker, we have no greed left, there is no lust left, but we enjoy the sex life we have a sane way, we enjoy all the material things in the best way possible. For example, now see this is a carpet lying down here, when I watch this is so beautiful; but when I watch this and start thinking about how much must it have cost - of course, if it belongs to Me, it is a headache, because already I will start seeing if there are any spots whether it is insured or not, ad if somebody has spoilt it. But supposing it does not belong to Me (thank God, if that so), then also I will think "How much must it have cost?" I might feel jealous "Oh, I should have one like this, I don't have, what shop the lady must have bought it, I must go and get it!". All these thoughts will be coming into mind, not the beauty of the carpet.But when this Kundalini rises and crosses over this center of Christ, then your thoughts become quiet, you become a personality which we call as in a status of "thoughtless awareness", where you are aware, but no thought. Because we think of the future and we think of the past, but we cannot be the present. But in thoughtless awareness we are in present, there is no thought. And then the all thing that is the beauty, that was created by the creator, the joy that was put into it starts pouring onto you and you start enjoying, just enjoying, not thinking about it, just seeing not [..], no reaction just watching. And the whole of it just pours down. So this is the state when it comes to, your thinking becomes limited and then your Swadishthana chakra gets settled down. it gets also nourished by Kundalini. And that is how most of your problems are solved because every centre when it goes out of order it creates the so-called human problems.But Kundalini rising means integrates all of them. Once you are a Realized soul, your mind will not argue with your heart, with your liver, your brain, but in a very integrated manner, you will enjoy everything. You become a witness to a drama, like let's say the drama going on, you watch the drama and you are involved into it, but once the drama is over, then you will say "Oh, I am here, I am just a spectator, I am not in the drama". In the same way, the whole thing becomes like a drama and you are away from it. Your problems are like waves, they rise and fall, but once you are in the boat you can see them clearly and you can solve them. But in case you can swim, you can jump in and save others from drowning.This is the fourth stage where you have to rise, in that stage we called it as "doubtless awareness", is called as Nirvikalpa samadhi. They talk of yoga, this thing, Hatha Yoga all that. What is Hatha Yoga? Ashtamga, there is eightfold things, out of which exercises are just the wee wee wee bit and that has to be applied only when the Kundalini rises when there is a problem. But here the way they take this Hatha Yoga is something like a medicine box, the all of that [Shri Mataji move Her hands like miming the swallowing], without paying any attention to our Spirit. Is for the spiritual growth, not for physical.Because if you see the book of Patanjali, which is so big as that, there is only discussed what I am telling you today and not those things that you stand on your head, walk like this or you jog like that.These things come up as a craze and we are very vulnerable to all these things. But if you just look back, you will see this is all entrepreneur's stuff, that just try to befool us. Not only the gurus but also the entrepreneurs. They are trying to befool us. They tell us now "You must jog!", because then you must have jogging suite, you must have shoes, you must have jogging this, jogging this and you pay for it.All the time they are suggesting: "This is the fashion now!" Start a fashion with the tight pants, no, then they develop very [..], now there is loose pants. It is just a way of befooling simple, good people, taking advantage of them and we are slaves. But all these things finish off once you get your Realization, you understand these things very well and you know these crooks and you do not play into their hands. There is no need, there is no need to go on wasting your energy in changing your form, dresses, changing everything morning till evening and making a heap of plastic which cannot be burnt, which cannot be done.You become really sensible, wise, righteous, beautiful, dynamic, compassionate people, in the real sense of the world. And your priorities become so sensible, that you are amazed that yourself "How have I become like this?". Then we have artists, we have painters, we have all kinds of people in Sahaja Yoga who have really prospered in their own profession, doctors have prospered in their own profession; but they are extremely humble, compassionate, sensible and they are spirit-oriented, not money-oriented. And then the money flows, do not have to worry about money, once you are spirit-oriented money is at your feet, knowledge is at your feet, everything at your feet; because you are blessed. We have lost the faith in the blessings of God, because we are away from Him. But in His Kingdom, you will be surprised, how it works, it is miraculous, is miraculous: every small, little need is looked after and at every small point you see the hand of the Divine trying to help you. That you see yourself. I told that you'd better write about the miracles of Sahaja Yoga.When they wrote it, there was so big as that a pile, I said "Forget it! How are we going to publish this?". And that is what just going to happen. That is what you deserve. After all you are human beings. Those people who tell you: "You are sinners and all that", please know that they must be the greatest sinners ever born; do not believe all them. You are human being, after all, only human beings can make mistakes, you are not Gods. So if you have made some mistakes, why do they want you to feel guilty? If you feel guilty, you spoil this centre here [Shri Mataji indicates left Vishuddhi] and you get horrible problem of angina, or you might get also spondylitis. So many troubles with this guilt [business].So please remember that you are a human being and you have every right to be united to that Divine power and that is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sa means 'with', ja means 'born' with you is the right to this yoga means the union with the Divine. Yoga does not mean standing on your heads, it does not mean anything. If any person who talks of yoga and does not give you Realization, do not go near that person. Yesterday I told you, first thing nobody can take money from you. Of course, for this hall they are paid, the Sahaja Yogis have paid, I must say. But we were just now thinking that last four years, they have started paying, otherwise, I used to pay, my husband used to pay for everything. But then they said: "You should not pay for our Salvation, Mother, that is too much". Now they started paying for it.But not for your Realization, not to Me, but to this hall all right. And everything the accounts, everything should be clearcut. You should see where your money goes, what it happens, what it works out, who is handling the money.Then you have to see if they give you Realization or not. Realization means, you must feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Realization means that you should have powers to raise the Kundalini of others. Realization means that you should [..] actualization of the baptism, cool breeze coming out of your head; not any priest put water on your head and say that you are now Christian.Unless and until these things happen to you, do not accept anyone, even Me. This is what one has to understand: you have to become something; and the time is there, is been announced, this time has to come and the time has come... where are the people? That I should find those people in Russia, I was really surprised, who have never heard about God, have never heard anything of Spirit, they were not supposed to talk about it and there you have thousands! How is it? Thousands! This hall, we had at least ten times bigger than this, was all completely full and the same amount of people were sitting outside. They had never known Me, they had never seen My face, nothing of... only with the photograph: they are so sensitive! Also Italians I must say, Italians have that sensibility. And Greeks. Why not the Americans? You must research it out, you have such a capacity to do research. For everything you do research: for your car, you will do research, for your sofa you will do, for even shoes they said they have researched it and made it comfortable. Then why not research and find out... at least have that scientific attitude and try to solve the problems that you have. You all can do it, I know you are very capable to do it.Those who become Sahaja Yogis, Americans, are great people; but, first of all, it is impossible to make them stick to one thing. As they change their car, change their houses, change their motorcars, they go on changing also their guru, you see: is like a guru-shopping going on. Actually, you see, I also belong to another kind of society, so-called elite society, and I just keep quiet, I never say a word there, because I am absolutely useless. And what they talk like this "Oh, have you been to this guru, recently, you know there is a lady, she comes [..] and she has those [..] and things like that. So very expensive, but very good. Very expensive. But she can give you little bargain if you bargain with her, she might". Or somebody is for sale. Can you imagine? God does not know money, does He? We sold Christ. Did we pay anything to Christ? At least Christians should not pay!Ah, of course, Hindus never payed anything to Rama, Krishna, nothing. Of course, [..] there!But this one test you must put and then the second one that you have to get something yourself, you must get something and that is your self realisation. Not craziness that on the streets are Hare Rama, Hare Krishna, Hare Rama... what is this? Anybody can do it! In India everybody does that. Wearing such dresses, what is so difficult? Also in the supermarket you get that thing, just out it on your head. It is ridiculous! If you ask any sensible man in India to do that, he says "Am I mad? Why will I do it?".Also, cut your hair this way or to wear some nonsensical dress, what is so great about it? What is so great? Anybody can do it.Or some people start jumping and saying all kind of things, and this and that "Now we have got the language, we are speaking some other language". Mad people.I mean, if you are near God you have to become much more sensible, wise, sane people, is not it? You have seen the saints, you have seen Zen people, you have seen all of them, how sensible they were. Were they mad?All kinds of craziness is associated with God, I cannot understand that.Now be wise and discriminating and try to understand: it is through you people only, is going to work out. I had asked you to ask Me some questions, you know, in this one or two days I am sorry, I cannot tell you everything about Sahaja Yoga. But they will give you books and everything, you can read them, you will understand everything about chakras... they are quite experts, they will all tell you about. Now, say there are so many lights here, when you come in, I love to just say "All right, put on that switch" and all of them will come up. But if I have to tell you all the history and everything about electricity and then where it is told and how it has come, you will be [..]. Best to have the light first and then we will talk about it. So, if you are hungry, I have done the cooking, I would say, better have it! And then we will discuss it and talk about it and there thousands and thousands of My lectures whoch you can listen to and you can know a lot and you can all become experts, you can all become big gurus, no doubt about it. You will become your own gurus. I promise: you will become your own gurus. Because you are meant to be that, you do not need any guru, your Spirit is your guru and that will guide you.It is like you take a television from America and show it to the Indians in a village and say that in this box you can see the films coming from all over the world. They will say "What? you are telling lies, how can this box give us this?". But you put to the mains. In the same way, you are put in the mains and then you will see how fantastic you are. All your freas, all your problems will just dissolve.But you must penetrate into it, deeper and deeper. Like, we had the three-four people who [..] gave Realization and next day they went and did all kinds of nonsensical things and now they have got AIDS. What can I do? Four-five years back, I gave them Realization nicely, they never settled down. They went to some over gurus and some places and all that and they got AIDS now there and they all suffering from AIDS. Of course, they can be cured, but not in America, how can I cure them? I will be again arrested. This is the problem. So you have to get into it deeply and to understand it and to become masters. You do not have to pay for it, again and again, I am saying. Only thing, you have to give some time. And we have so much time otherwise. These watches are with us because we should save time; but we save time for wasting. We have to save time for our ascent. Not much: 5 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the evening is sufficient. And every week, once a week, you have to come to the centre, then you will not give up. After some time, the greatest punishment for Sahaja Yogis is that you have to go out of Sahaja Yoga, it is the greatest punishment. There is no compulsion in Sahaja Yoga: you want to go away, you can go away. But some times, we have to ask them to get out, some of them have to get out and they feel very sad about it, but them they correct themselves, purifies themselves, again come back. But the movement in America is the least, much less than even South America, much much less. So I have to request you now, in San Diego, last time also, first time I came to San Diego; so again, I request you all: that you, because you belong to the city of Gods, so you have to take the responsibility and work it out here. May God Bless You. Thank you very much. Now, of course, I would like to have some questions and if they are written down is better. Yes, please, give it to him. And then after this, we will have the session of Realization which will take only ten minutes. (Voice in the background) Question: when did you realize your mission [..] always there? Shri Mataji: always there. I was born with it. Question:[..] What is the difference between Sahaja Yoga these other practices: [..], TM, Hatha Yoga [..]? Shri Mataji: TM is the worse, worse of all. You see, in TM, I must tell you, I did not know what they were doing in TM, but the head of the flying foundation in Scotland, in [..], this fellow was [..] and his wife she is the granddaughter of one Duke, her name is Lynda. And somebody came to tell Me about them that they are suffering from epilepsy and they are in a very bad shape. So, I said, "All right, I would like to see them". I did not know they were doing TM or anything, so they came to Me and I asked them "Who is your guru?". So they said: "We were doing TM and I am teaching TM, I was." And he told me such horrible things about it, he is writing a book now about it. That first of all (he told Me) there are three mantras they used to give and you are told not to tell anybody, see? And these mantras were so funny that if you have told to any Indian, he would really have laughed, because [they were not even] Sanscrit.The first one was "inga", "inga" means the bite of a scorpion, not in Sanscrit language.Then the second one is a "pinga" and a "pinga" means when a person gets possessed and goes around, around is a "pinga".And the third one is a "tinga", which one is that when you show like this to somebody, the thumb [Shri Mataji shows Her left-hand thumb], I do not know how to say, "tinga" to show like this [Shri Mataji shows Her right hand thumb and people laugh].And everybody was asked to pay three hundred pounds for this so-called mantra.And this fellow, the guru used to sit on the seventh [..] and the person had to come through six-seven rooms and [..] the great gurus and only four feet five inches for the squinty eyes, sitting there. And the guru would tell this mantra in the ears. Taking three hundreds ounds and the first door.Then there was another, six thousand pound. They said "Nothing works out, we are doing mad, so all right, no no!".So the second course, the second course they started, he told Me to go to [..] or something like that. In that they had to go to Switzerland, pay six thousand puonds each and, in a big hall like this, they were all supposed to sit down and jump on cushions and jump on some sort of a form. And they were given for six days the water that boiled some potatos, six days; and the seventh day they were given the rind to eat. And the eighth day, they gave them to eat the potatos. Because they were supposed to become very light. And they all broke their bottoms, because they had to jump very high on that.But for what? Because, he said, you can fly in the air. But I said "But why do you want to fly like this? Already we have problems of cars and things and if you start flying with them, what will happen? What is the need? You can fly by airplane, why do you want to fly like this?"Such funny ideas. But then I have found they have become recluses, all these people have become recluses and have become epileptic. Then I called him, his wife and his deputy director (thank God, my husband had gone out on some work for about a month), so they stayed in My house, I cured them. But he became completely bankrupt, his wife was commpletely ruined. They got cured, no doubt. Then he went to South Africa and now he is there, he is writing this book. And when they wanted to fight the case, the TM managed - because it was in Scotland - managed the magistrates, because they have lots of money. Here also I feel, they have told them, newspapers, not to publish anything about us. Everywhere I go, they are there just to stop My work, because after all is there earnings are killed by that.But the last thing they have started is ayurveda. Ayurveda, you do not need TM for that, anybody can do auyrveda, what is need, what is the need to have an agency of these people?But it is a fact, and they know that I know all their secrets, so they are so much against Me. Does not matter, all of them are against Me, naturally, but they are not against each other.Like Christ has said "The house of Satan will not speak against itself".So this is TM. I am sorry that you have been to TM. Of course, despite that, now we know how to manage even TM, most of it we can manage. [..]But one thing is definite that you are all seekers, otherwise you would not go to these people. So is My duty that you should get your realisation. I am duty-bound. It is My priviledge, because you are seekers, I have to give you realisation; whatever you might have done, forget it, and forgive them. What else? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: I must say AIDS patients have been cured with Sahaja Yoga, en masse, it is a fact, no doubt. But what we can do in this country I do not know, I do not have idea, because I do not want to get arrested. But in India, alternate medicines are allowed and if people could reach England, we might be able to help them. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: I have already told you that when the light comes in you just become so powerful, so confident of yourself that all your bad habits drop out. Of course, just after realisation, say you get your realisation that does not mean you became a great saint. You have to fix yourself properly, in American language: you have to fix your yoga. Unless and untill that is done, still you are vulnerable, so you must fix it up. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you get that state, you become that. I told you the Swadishthana, the Swadishthana gets nourished and you do not know from where you get your ideas. Now here it is an architect, if he tells his own experience, what he is doing now and what he was doing before. The ideas start pouring into you. Because they come from the Swadishthana chakra and the Swadishthana gets nourishment. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you see, racialism comes from ignorance, complete ignorance, we do not know that God has created all of us just the same. We smile the same way, laugh the same way, cry the same way. Nobody tells that Americans should laugh like this and the Indians should laugh like that. We yawn the same way, we sleep the same way, wake up the same way.Now we are differently made, God has made us to create beauty. You see, if there is vicitrata (they say in Sanskrit), there is variety then there is beauty, so variety is created. God created only one world, He did not know that we will make so many out of it, we have done it. But once this ignorance goes away, because Spirit is a universal being, then you become a universal being. Like... yesterday only I told you that when I went to Russia, 25 Germans rushed to Russia to give realisation to Russians; and the way they embraced and the way they loved them... I really tell you, I felt so happy and tears started rolling in my eyes. Such joy, imagine the Russian, we have these Germans who are so gentle, they are the gentlest people, you will not call them Germans any more.That is what happens, because basically you are that and you become a universal being and you follow te religion that is innate within you, which makes you a universal being. You do not become nay Christian, Hindu, Muslim: you are a human being and you become a universal human being and you respect all of them, not one. What is the next problem here? Joblessness? Joblessness, I must tell you that in London so many jobless people there are, but it is difficult to find a sahaja yogi who is jobless there, difficult, they just get jobs... and because they are doing the job of God also. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: hopeless? No, it is very hopeful. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you see, if you are making lots of money or either you are making no money, whatsoever, in Sahaja Yoga you make money, all right, but then you do not cling to it, do not hanker after it.There was a lady here, in San Francisco, she was running a store, and when she got realisation she said that "I used to meticulously remember this I have got, that I have got, this is bought, this is sold and all those things. I have forgot all that. But now I am making a big profit". I said "Then it is all right".Money also is one of the blessings of God. And Shri Krishna has said "yogakshema vahamyam"; kshema means benevolence in every way. So once you get your yoga, then you get that, not before: yogakshema, first yoga and then the kshema. Kshema is the benevolence. So all kinds of benevolence come.But your mad-race about money finishes off. But you get money, all right, and there is complete satisfaction our of it. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: supported? Question: yes. Shri Mataji: in what way? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: financially? Question: yes. Shri Mataji: I mean, I told you now. That in the beginning I used to pay for everything, no doubt, even now in so many places (for Russia I have to pay myself), for the time being it is all right, my husband is very generous - he is an Indian, so he is thinking he is doing some God's work, by that he will get some good blessings, so he is a sensible man. He does not mind, if I am [..] he does not mind.And so also now all these things like all and all these people get it and everything is arranged by them, nowadays. But, as I told you that for Realization you cannot pay, you cannot pay Me, you cannot purchase Me, you cannot and you cannot purchase your Self-realization, your ascent.That is not much, you see, for this hall, how much you need? Do not need much money. That is all.Either you will pay thousands and thousands of rupees and pounds without asking, and if somebody has to pay even for this hall, they will say how you get this money. Of course for the hall you have to pay, do not expect Me paying for it. I did, I am saying I did pay, but now they feel ashamed that I should pay for the hall, they paid, because they are also concerned and you will also pay, I am sure. You would not like Me to pay for these halls as well as for everything, for your food or for everything: do you expect Me to do that?Not at all. So, for your salvation we need not to pay, but for your hall, you have to pay, there is no harm. But I do not keep accounts, I do not know how they paid, what... I have no idea, I do not understand accounts at all. So they do it everything and they have to explain to you, I have nothing to do with that. It is a fact, I am telling them, if it is wrong they should tell Me. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: it is again a futuristic question. First, let us have the Self, as Buddha has said and also as Mahavira has said because they taught if you talk of God-realisation, people start just thinking they are God. But the difference between the two things is one: that first you get your Self-realization established, means you understand your powers as Self; then you try to understand God. And God-realization is a situation in which you control so many things, automatically, automatically you control, you do not have to bother and just control: you are amazed how even the elements are controlled through your presence.But the first is to know your Self, establish your Self, know it well, master it and then think of another thing. Question: what the vibrations are doing and how [..] this session? Shri Mataji: all right. First, as again I say, first your Self-realization must be established and your Kundalini must be fixed properly and then - you can seat here, there are seats, come along - and then you start feeling the vibrations on your fingertips, first of all. That you will feel now even. They have marked them to show the centres, see: one, two, three, four, five on your fingertips. So you will know which is the centre that is catching. If you know how to correct the centre, then you can correct your centre. In the same way, you can feel the centres of others.Once you start feeling them properly, you have just to know how to correct these centres, finished, then you are all right. And it hardly takes one month, hardly takes one month. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: what is the use of teaching, you have had many. You have had Christ, He has given you the Bible, there are so many we have had. Now, no more teachings, actualization, ask for actualization.What else? Question: [..] Yogananada says Kriya Yoga is the quickest technique for Self-realisation. Shri Mataji: I said? Question: no, Yogananda. Shri Mataji: ah, he might have said it, but nobody has got it so far. Now, what is Kriya Yoga? Sahaja Yoga is "a-kriya". "Kriya" means what you call "kriya" in English? Yogi: action. Shri Mataji: action. Kriya is action and Sahaja Yoga a-kriya, no action. Now Kriya Yoga is like this (yesterday, I have explained to some people who asked Me) that when your car starts- I mean when it is ignited - then automatically all the machinery starts working, automatically, do not have to move anything, it is all built-in. But Kriya Yoga is this that you do not start the car, do not start the Kundalini, but you start moving the wheels. First, when I came, I was very shocked (now they have stopped all that nonsense because I think there was some sort of [..] on that. They used to cut the tongue, this thread of the tongue; and I saw some Indian doctors with the tongue wagging like that. I said "What has happened?". They could not speak, so they told Me [Shri Mataji mimes writing on Her hand] that "We have cut our threads because we have to push back our tongue and get to the "khechary" condition. Now "khechary" is a simple thing that is described (of course is a part of Sahaja Yoga only) that when the Kundalini rises the centres, first of all allow the Kundalini to rise and then they augment, and then again they relax (the higher ones) and then they augment, because they have to stop the Kundalini from falling down. It is a simple thing like that.In the same way, when it reaches Vishuddhi chakra, here also, what happens when the Kundalini rises higher there is a big augmentation that takes place and the tongue is pulled inside (which you do not feel normally, you will not feel because Kundalini rises like a jet these days).So, what they did was to cut the tongue and put it there, but the Kundalini is sitting in the sacrum bone only, what is the use?So the all Kriya Yoga is like moving your wheels, when the car has not started.It is very easy to talk of these things because in India books are available, you can read them. I know of people, there was an acterss who came to my program and I came in 71 (there are so many people who came to My program) and also dr Chodri told Me "You'd better get it copyright". I said "There is no copyright needed for this kinf of a thing, is all right!".And they are using My words, they are using word Kundalini, they are using Mahayoga, they are using the words like self realisation, everything; but doing nothing about it, just making money.Sorry, what can I do about it? It is for you to decide, it is the actualization which you should ask.And what is this Kriya Yoga. I do not know why people are so impressed by his book. Whatever is written there: he went to Himalayas, he met one guru, so what? Anybody can do that, what is so great? What has he written? Why should it interest people? What has he done? Nothing! They have, of course, got a big place where they live, that is all!But I do not think anybody has got realisation from them, they cannot. First the Kundalini has to be awakened. Question: [..] Babaji? Shri Mataji: nothing, I am absolutely against him. This is another hoax. These are all hoax, believe Me, they are all hoax.Ramana Maharishi was a realised soul, no doubt. Shirdi Sainath was a realised soul. Those who are realised I say yes, those who are not I will definitely say they are not. I have to say that.This Babaji (Shri Mataji laughs), experience of these funny people (Shri Mataji is massagging Her forehead), it is a long story. This Lahiri Baba, Lahiri, Lahiri Baba the guru of this Yogananda, he is his grandson; he came to Me and he said "I joined this Kriya Yoga and I did all kinds of things, I have never got any realisation or anything. So I was so fed up when I went to this Krishnamurti, I was with him, but then I started speaking like Krishnamurti, just like his voice and everything I started speaking doing all the drama of Krishnamurti and everything and then I got a fright when I saw myself in the mirror, I said «Oh God, I have become like Krishnamurti!» and I am just giving lectures, that's all! So, Mother, I have come to you please, now, give me realisation". You will be surprised, untill today I would not been able to do that. This one person I have not been able to do. I do not know what all he has done. I told him what all you have done tell Me. And he was telling Me many things about this Lahiri Baba and his Babaji. "All these things they do to you? Horrible!". So much they have harmed this man, He is the grandson of Lahiri Baba. Question: What do you think of Guru Nanak [..] Shri Mataji: Guru Nanak of course, Guru Nanak was the incarnation of the Primordial Master, no doubt about it, no doubt. He talked of unity, He was the incarnation of the Primordial Master who has incarnated many a times as Moses, as Abraham and also as, He has been Mohammad and then Guru Nanak. no doubt about it. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: of the? Yogi: Maitreya. Shri Mataji: Maitreya? I do not know about they know about Maitreya or not, is all a Buddhist idea of Maitreya. How will you recognize the Maitreya also? How will you recognize the Holy Ghost? If you are still waiting for Maitreya, I think you are [..] mistaken. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: what experience? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: not at all, that is horrible. Why do you want to go out of your body? Going out of body is achieved through possession. You know there are children killed in their beds, have you heard of such of things here? I do not know, but in Switzerland, children are sleeping in their beds, because their parents do not keep children with them and the children, they die. That is what is happening because of this body business, the spirits come out and, if they go out of the body, then the spirits can take away another spirit also and never return them. It is the worse thing is to become possess like this.I had three American journalists, long time back they came to see Me; and they told Me that "Mother we want to have a special capacity to know what is happening everywhere without being there. How can we do it?". I said "Who told you that I can do that?". They told Me the name of a journalist, another one, I said "He told you this? I was the one who cured him of this disease and he told you these things that I wiil make you like that?"That fellow would disappear from his body and would go somewhere else and hears something else, used to publish in the newspaper which was true, but his wife was so shocked by that, she brought him and he said "Mother, please make me one person, I do not want to have this nonsensical thing." She said one day he will be dead, I said "He will be one day will be lost".And those three people wanted to be like him I am cured, to get this disease. It is a horrible state one should never never think like that. Why do you want to run from the present? Present is the most beautiful thing, is the most beautiful thing. Present is the reality, past is finished and future does not exist. But if you can be the present, nothing [..] it. Question: What about vegetarianism? Shri Mataji: There are no "ism" in Sahaja Yoga, no "ism" at all. See in the Bible is written: "All the creatures have been created for you, for your use" and smaller animals than you, those people who need proteins should eat.Now for example in Greenland, people cannot have any vegetables at all, are they sinners?But, I should say, American should take more vegetarianism, is good because they have eaten too much of meat, so give a balance. But there is no [..] rule except that you should eat any animal that he bigger than you, because they have bigger muscular cells and those cells can harm your teeth, can harm your intestine. But smaller animal are to be, if it is needed, must be eaten; if it is not - for Indians must eat meat otherwise already they are such useless people, they are good for nothing, they cannot even hold a gun, [..] revolver. If you people go there with one revolver, the all village will jump into the well, such cowards. So for them it is necessary to eat meat, but they are vegetarians. But not in India, everybody is not now, is better.But, what I am saying it is a very logical thing and is to be understood what sort of a person you are: if you are a left sided person, then you must eat proteins; but if you are right sided person, then you must take to vegetables and to carbohydrates. Is question of proteins, carbohydrates and fats, is not question of animals and... do you mean to say by saving chickens, I can give them realisation?And this nonsense of vegeterianism has gone so far, so far now, among Jainis, I do not know if you know... there are many here, because they are money-makers. Jainis, this Jainis have started a funny type of vegetarianism, I think long time back. First of all there was one Neminath (who was one of the Tirthankar, who was the cousin of Shri Krishna), who saw many dead things in his marriage, so he felt that - I mean he felt, sometimes you do feel so many animals are dead and all that, we call it tuparati, so he started vegetarianism. But now the Jains do not allow any insect to die, even the bugs, mosquitos, [..] anything should not be dead... but they will kill human beings, all right, not animals. So ridiculous it is. Question: Shri Mataji, this person says that they have skin cancer and wants to know how can be cured. Shri Mataji: Cancer? Yogi: Skin cancer. Shri Mataji: Yes it is. It comes from liver. If your liver is cured, you can be, very easily. We have a liver diet which you are to take, you are to get your liver cured, which can be easily cured, worked it out [..]. You see, because you do not have to pay, that is why people do not do it, I have seen it they do not do it seriously. Is like this, if you pay for something then you get bound, that is mentality. Like, yesterday I was telling you that you have paid for a play and the play [..] the worse possible but you think you have paid for it, so go through it. But you do not have to pay in Sahaja Yoga, so people do not take it seriously.Asthama have been cured, livers have been cured, cancer have been cured... the skin cancer is no problem at all. But whatever they tell you, you have to listen to them and work it out; whithin one month you will find everything will be cured.There has to be commitment about it, you must be committed to yourself that I am going to get all right. You decide on that point and it will work out. I am going to be a yogi, you will be. But ther should be some commitment. Question: Shri Mataji, the last question is how do we know if we are in our Spirit and following inner guidance? Shri Mataji: Is rather confusing. Question: Shri Mataji, the last question is how do we know if we are in our Spirit and following inner guidance? Shri Mataji: All right. The question is how are we to know that we are the Spirit, that we become the Spirit. First of all, when we become the Spirit, we start feeling the cool breeze all around us, first thing. Secondly, then we start feeling our centres on our fingertips. Like supposing I get American money, and I have never known what American money is, supposing; then I have to go to the market, find out what is means. In the same way, you start using your hands - as I told you the captain of the ship - and you will feel the vibrations of another person, you ask that person. Now supposing you feel here some heat [Shri Mataji indicates Her right hand forefinger] or some sort of burning, you ask him "There is something wrong with your throat?". "How do you know?" he will say.You can feel the cancer, you can feel everything on your fingertips, you can diagnose. So you have to use your hands. That is how you will know.But then you start curing yourself and you start getting, feeling better. Then, when you become the master of this art, you start curing others. Not only physically, mentally, emotionally, every way. You feel such a balance, such joy and such peace within younself. It is not talking about peace, because I know, I have been with such people who have foundation of peace and some people have got Nobel Prizing Peace and so hot tempered, that you cannot sit near them for five minutes they emit horrible heat like a heater. I really tell you, horrible and they have got Nobel Prizes in peace. I mean, I do not know how people have given them for peace, at least they could have given for violence, but not for peace. But there is. So you really feel peaceful within youself. Now you will not believe, I am 67 years of age ad if you see my itinerary you will [..] the way I travel; all the year I am practically travelling, but I am in peace with myself. They said: "How do you manage?". I said "Why? I am there when I am traveling I know I am there, so what it there to think about, just I am there, that's all!". So you think I am traveling, I said I do not think that way, I am just sitting there, I am not traveling, is the airplane that is traveling.And that is how you are just at peace with yourself, you are at peace with everybody else and, I mean, it is another personnality that evolves out of you. So that is how you know you are that.I mean, first of all, people do not even believe that the cool breeze is coming to your fingertips, they think there must be the window, air conditioner, some people go home closing all the doors and start seeing. It is true, then they realize.So you have to spend it and experiment with it and then you definitely start believing in it, that you are the Spirit. And then you understand your powers, all right? You can raise the Kundalini of a person, you can! And you will be amazed that how you can do it.At the beginning of Sahaja Yoga, we were about twelve people and they would not put their hands, "This is not, how can we? We don't have anything", they were very diffident about it. So one day there was a lecture arranged in a place where I had to go in Nasik, I had to go by car and luckily the car failed and, in India, if your car fails you are [..], there is nothing else that you can do. And these people thought that one other has passed, Mother has not come and now all these people are going to beat us, so they started giving them Realization: they were amazed they had the power! They had the power. And that is how they discovered.So you have to be bold about it. You are that, I assure you. Only thing, you must claim what you are. I think you will finish with the thing, now let's have the Realization, that will take about ten minutes and will be a good idea to know yourself.If you want to go out for about 5 minutes you can go out, then you can start, if you think we can give 5 minutes to you, just to move out a little bit. And then come back. [After the break, the Realisation starts]

Public Program Day 2. San Diego (USA), 31 May 1990. I bow to all the seekers of Truth.As you are seekers of Truth whatever one may tell, you should not accept it, to begin with. People can claim anything but that doesn’t mean that you must believe into it.But one must know that truth is what it is; we cannot organize it, we cannot maneuver it, we can not create it: it is, it was and it will be. And I told you yesterday what is the truth and the truth is that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, you are not these conditionings, your ego, your emotions: you are the Spirit. This is one thing.And then there is a subtle power, living power, power of God’s Love, that does all the living work, all the evolutionary work, all the creation and all the comforting and joyous things, which we do not feel, about which people have talked in every scripture. Like in the Bible they say the All Pervading Power of God; or in Koran they call it gudran [Rooh or al-Qudus]. In Sanskrit language it is called as Param Chaitanya. In every religion, in every scripture, which is sensible, it’s written about it.So, the first thing one has to do is to feel that power. Unless and until you can feel that power, you cannot understand any religion nor the people who came as incarnations or as prophets or as saints. And that is the reason why all the saints had to suffer, all the incarnations had to suffer, because the people in general never knew there is a subtle power of God’s Love.As we say there is God the Father, God the Son, there has to be God the Mother.In every religion, except for Christianity, they openly talked about this primordial Mother. Even the Greeks knew about it, Babylonians knew about it. I was surprised that even in South America there was a big, very big awakening about it and they used to worship the Mother God.But somehow in Christianity – I think it was Paul, [Saul of Tarsus] who was a Roman to begin with and a tyrannical officer, who even killed a disciple of Christ, Stephen. He is the one who changed the complete picture of Christianity. He never knew Christ, he was epileptic and a very hot tempered man; and even he fought with Matthew, because he could not accept the Immaculate Conception of Christ. A person who is not even realised, who has led such a tyrannical life, why he did come to Christianity? He came to Christianity because he thought it was a very good platform for him to jump onto.I face that in Sahaja Yoga also. There are people in Sahaja Yoga who come and they just some times think that such a big worldly affair they can handle, so they try to rule and they try to take to power. They don’t even feel the vibrations, they don’t even feel the All pervading Power, but they think it’s a good platform to occupy.And this Mr Paul was again born as Augustine and he did even much worse for Christianity. My father was a very learned man, I asked him, I said, “Who is this Paul and how is he there?” So he told me, “I don’t understand, he’s a stranger”. And then I asked why Martin Luther, of all things, did not describe the Mother? He said that “It was true that Matthew Luther was a Realised soul and he wanted to deviate from Catholicism, but he thought that, at that time, to talk about the Mother would not appeal to many people who were islamic. So to convert them to Christianity would be difficult”. It was a little expediency, I think, [that] they did not refer to the Mother.So they called it the “Holy Ghost”. It was a funny thing to call, I tell you, really, and then to call it a “dove”. That’s also - I can’t understand - a symbol. All the time you find a “dove” everywhere. But in so many paintings, I have seen people putting their hands like this [straight forward], who are the disciples of Christ and I see the lights coming out of their heads.We have photographs, miraculous photographs, but of sahaja yogis, all of them are sitting like you and on there head there is light.But all these things took such a form, such an organization. Even a person like Kalil Gibran has talked in complete chapter about Paul, denouncing him completely. Nobody took heat of it. He was an organizer, a power oriented gentleman, wanted to have a big power and his place in the Bible, how does he come in the Bible? I mean, he has nothing to do with the Bible.And even in the Churches they read what he has said, an epileptic fellow. You’ll find out in Sahaja Yoga, that epilepsy is caused by possession, and if the possession is removed, you can cure epilepsy. In Russia we have been able to cure epilepsy of so many people. Of course medicine doesn’t have this cure.I myself studied medicine and I know the limitations of medicine. It deals just with the outwards symptoms of human beings. It’s like a tree which is sick, so you try to look after the leaves and give medicines to the leaves, how can you cure the tree?You have to go to the roots and to go to the roots you have to become a subtler personality. If you can reach the roots, then the whole tree can be nourished.Now this is the knowledge of the roots, while what we see outside is the knowledge of the tree.If the tree grows much more in proportion to the root, then you know what can happen and that’s what today we are afraid of, that we might be completely destroyed. We are on the brink of some sort of a horrible shock that’s going to come to us. It seems there is a tremendous fear in the minds of people here.Apart from the simple nature of Americans, they are also very much frightened and whatever comes in their way they grab, they try to get hold of it.This is another problem you are facing. There is nothing to be afraid of, this world is not going to be destroyed. The Creator who has created you is the father of all the fathers and kindest of all the kindest, He cannot allow His creation to be destroyed. So don’t believe these money-makers who are telling you that this world is going to be destroyed. That problem of war is over now thanks to Gorbachov. The other ecological problems also can be solved if you people get your realisation, very, it’s a very simple thing to solve the problem. But if you start getting at everything without thinking, without discrimination, then definitely, definitely America could be destroyed. And if there is any country that will be destroyed first will be America, not from without, from within.That is why I am so concerned, so concerned that you should take some heed, some attention to this aspect, what is missing in us. Think of your children and think of the progeny and think of your country, where are we going? And then you will realise that you have failed in one point: that you have not turned to your roots, that you have not tried to find out what your roots are.It is useless to say that this country is only two hundred year old, country may be two hundred year old, but you are not, you are antics, you are born so many times before, in so many countries and you have been seekers. You are seekers and seekers, in ages you have been growing in that seeking; and today you are here to seek. But only thing what you have lost in this seeking is the discrimination and that is why I say, whatever one may say, even if I say something, you need not believe.Please don't, blind faith is not going to help you to get your realisation. Neither your denying it, you have to have an open mind as I told you, like a scientist, you must se this hypotesis if it [..], if it works; then, please, as honest people you must accept it.There is no secret in Sahaja Yoga, no secret. My life is not a secret. Nothing is a secret, everybody knows what is happening in Sahaja Yoga. So, first of all, I have to tell you that you keep your minds open. Then I have to tell you about this machinery that is within us created, because of our evolution.As you see there, there are seven centres which are placed in the central line and there are two lines on both the sides, left and right. Out of this, the first centre is below the Kundalini which is in the triangular bone, known as sacrum. "Sacrum" means "sacred"; and Greek people, Greek museum people told Me that Greeks considered this bone as a sacred bone. So in this resides this power which we call as Kundalini in Sanskrit language.Now this Kundalini is coiled and the coil is called as Kundal, that is why is called as Kundalini. Now it is a female, is the power which is female and is the reflection of the Primordial Mother in you, in Sanskrit called Adi Shakti.Of course, Indians knew about it, thousands of years back, no doubt. No doubt. Fourteen thousand years back they say - I do not know if the English would accept that we were that old or not, but it is said so. People have written about it. This power rises, six centres it penetrates and the senventh one is at the base of it. Now, the seventh one looks after your excretion; or if you are doctors you will undertand that it also looks after the pelvic plexus. So also the sex is looked after by this. So it is clearcut that in your ascent sex plays no part; that is why Chist has said that you have to be like small children to ascend. Actually, when Kundalini rises your attention is no more on sex. All your excretionary function stop, completely.So, now here, mr Froid, or later on - you can say - Rasputin, or then Rajneesh, all those who talked of sex being in the power of Kundalini are absolutely wrong. And then how is it that Christ has said He... He corrected the Ten Commandaments out of that, He said "Thy shall not have adulterous eyes". "Eyes", such a subtle point is it. Why He said that?In America now, when I come here, I mean, I see everybody's eyes like this [Shri Mataji shakes Her hands]. All the time, they don't have steady eyes at all. They are Christians, followers of Christ. And some times surprises, in the beginning you see one gets a cultural shock to see "What is this? What are they looking at? What are they looking at?". It is a joyless pursuit. Eveyone knows, but the eyes have become like that, because they have lost their innocence. But, for your information, innocence is never lost, never lost. Only it gets conditioned or clouded. That's all. But it is never lost. I have seen now in my work that everyone, whether they were English or they were Greeks or they were Americans, anybody who gets their awakenings, gets a steady eye, and an innocent eye. And these eyes could be so powerful that even attention of these eyes, or even a glance of these eyes can transform, can comfort, can redeem. And that is why Christ has said it.But actually the deity of innocence resides there, at the seventh centre, He incarnates as Christ at the six centre here, between the optic chiasma, which is living energy to our eyes. The essence of Bible can only be understood if you are a realised soul and you can read between the lines. Though I must say that this mr Paul has tried to destroy a lot of it; whatever he might have tried, there are so many truths still there in the Bible. And we can see them so clearly, we can feel them, we can understand them... I mean, for example, once you are a realised soul, a Hindu might say (beacuse I was born in a Christian family), he would say "Why did you take your birth in a Christian family? Do you believe in Christ?", I said "Of course". So, I will just say, "All right, you ask a question like this [Shri Mataji stretch out Her hands], put hands towards Me and ask a question, call Me Mother «Mother, is,was Christ the son of God?»" and he gets cool breeze on his hand, tremendous cool breeze and he is surprised. Then we have the first centre, which is (I told you), is of sex, and sex has nothing to do with your ascent. Only the human beings can get the Realization, not animals. They too have sex. But that does not mean that sex there is something wrong, is one of the functions of the body, is an important function. But it has nothing to do with Divine work.As you go to the bathroom, you have sex. That is all.So much accent is given, I am surprised, despite that, you have minus population. While in India we never talk of sex; I mean, this word "sex" I could not pronounce, when I came to London first, because we do not say this word, is regarded, it spoils your tongue. To say "sex" also with your tongue was something impure, but then I practiced a little bit. But I was very bashful while saying that.So, this is, it is not necessary to put such an accent and to have a mental thinking about it, because if you do mentally too much, then you will definitely either you will go to one extreme, become a rapist and things like that, and on the other side you may become impotent. One of the two things will happen.I mean, in India, we have seldom heard stories of rape and all that, seldom, and we never think of - I am telling not of Westernized Indian, but about villager - where an eighty-year-old woman, grandmother, writing love letters to an eighteen-year-old grandson. I mean, if you tell somebody they will think I am befooling them, it is impossible. So whatever were natural barriers are finished by our so-called freedom, which is actually abandonment. But after Sahaja Yoga, I do not have to tell you, anything, you just become righteous, you just become righteous, I do not have to tell you.Like people who take to drugs, came to Sahaja Yoga (and I must say English are that way, something deep about them also) overnight they give up their drugs, overnight, I did not tell them. I never told them and never even talked about drugs. Alcoholism. There was a doctor who is such an alcoholic, he was out of job he was on [..] and today he is running seven hospitals in London. Overnight. What has happened actually that, supposing you are holding onto a snake and it is darkness, and if I say "There's a snake in your hand", you will say "No, it is not, it is a rope". How can you argue with a person till the snake bites? So you put on the light; with the light, you throw it away yourself, do not have to tell anything, do not have to argue. So your Spirit is enlightened, your attention is enlightened with the light of the Spirit and you see what is wrong, what is wrong with you, what are you holding onto, and you just give it up; and you become so powerful to give up any habit, it is so easy, so easy for you to give up, overnight I have seen people have given up all their bad habits, which are really destructive, these are all destructive habits. Whether you like it or not, but they are destructive, let us face it!But you lose your willpower, using those habits, as a result, you cannot give it up, it is a helpless condition. No use forcing, no use giving lecturing, no use making a [..] out of it, just get your Self, get to your Self and the light of your Self and it will show you how powerful you are, how great you are, what is your glory, what is your identity. And then you are surprised because you are connected with that Divine power, the power starts flowing through you, and you are surprised how your life is changing and how you have a become a [..] for God. Once, as of course coming to America, I was coming by ship and the captain told Me that "We are sending an SOS for a person who has got pneumonia". I said "I go and cure that person", but, you see, I was the wife of the owner so they would not allow Me to go down. So I said: "All right, you have got Realization, you just go and touch that man, that is all". He went down and put his hand on his lungs and told him to stop his breathing trice; his pneumonia was cured. He was so amazed, he came up and he said "How could I do it?", I said: "Because is flowing through you".Even supposing an ordinary man gets the kingdom and he is asked to sit on the throne and he looks this side, that side whether I should sit or not. In the same way, though you achieve a position, such a high status, you are little frightened to occupy and accept that position. But I have seen people who are not Realized souls, who do not know anything about Divinity, their lives are full of falsehood, they are very bad character people, they become big gurus shamelessly, they claim such big, big things, they have no fear of God, they have no fear of anything. "So what? If I have to go tomorrow to jail doesn't matter, I'll have so much money with me".But a Sahaja Yogi is very humble, he keeps to himself, he is very contented. And he does not change his outward dress or he does not put on some sort of funny dress, but he is normal just like as you are. He does not do anything abnormal. I think Sahaja Yogis become the most normal people, but you will be surprised, those who have seen them, say "These are angels, these are not human beings, these are angels". So this transformation takes place as this Kundalini rises in our centres.So the first centre, according to real where the Kundalini enters is the second one which you see as the yellow one. Now, this is the centre which is responsible for our creativity. I have seen many artists in India, they are extremely anxious to play before Me and once they are playing before Me or twice, they become world famous artists. So many of them will tell you about Me. now so they want to take my photograph and put it there to show to people that I am their guru; I said "I am not your guru, I have not taught you music; only thing is that your Kundalini has risen, I have nothing to do with it. You had your technique with you, only thing because your Kundalini has risen you have become so dynamic and you are expressing yourself without any fear, without any inhibition". A simple thing like that. But this centre we use too much, especially in the west, when we think too much. And when we think too much, we use the energy of this centre, because this centre is responsible for converting fat cells into grey cells for the use of the brain. So when you think too much, then it gets entangled or it gets busy with this only one function, while it has to do so many functions. Like, it has to look after your liver, it has to look after your pancreas, it has to look after your spleen, it has to look after your intestines and also your kidneys.So a person who thinks too much, plans too much, who is futuristic. Such a person gets a bad liver; and when you get a bad liver, means an over-actively work: the function of the liver is to absorb the heat (which is a poison within us) and to release it into the bloodstream... becomes impossible! So the heat starts rising, you lungs collapse with the heat you get asthma, if rises higher you might get a massive heart attack, it goes down you get constipation, it can coagulate your kidneys you get kidney troubled you cannot pass urine. Only one liver can bring all these problems to you.Then the second thing that is affected by over-thinking is pancreas, by which you get diabetes. Now in India in a village, if you go, even in Nepal, they take sugar as much that spoon must stand at right angle, so much sugar they must take, they never get diabetes, never, they do not what diabetes is; because they work the whole day, in the night they sleep on; again the next day get up, work the whole day, they do not think. Same with their wives, they do not think, same they are working in the daytime, they sleep in the night. But, too much spare time that we have, we start thinking. They do not future plan so much, what comes their way, they [..], they organize it and live with it.So this diabetes is a special disease of the people who are planners, who are futuristic, who think too much and who worry too much. It is a vicious circle. Once you get diabetes you worry too much, so you get more diabetes.Then comes the third diseases which is much more dangerous and very common in America, comes from the spleen, spleen has also to be looked after by the same centre, which we call as Swadishthan. Now the spleen part, the role of the spleen in our body is very important because it keeps our rhythm. It is for the rhythm of the body, rhythm with the nature.Now our life is so hectic. Now, it has to produce red blood corpuscles according to a certain rhythm, but we have no rhythm. Any emergency that comes in, it has to produce red blood corpuscles. But say early in the morning we read newspapers, this is the worse curse, I think, for spleen. So you get a shock, I mean so many killed, they will never give good news, never, out of question, because they have to give sensations to you, you see, shocks. So they will give horrible news by which your spleen will start pulsating, giving you more [..]. Then you get in your car without taking your breakfast, breakfast is in your hand, you are eating something, driving because you are getting late. We are time-bound. On the way we find all the road jammed, then we get upset "How are we to reach?". Then we go to the office, we are slightly late and the boss is shouting at you and you are in a mess. All these things build up a tension as we call it, but is nothing but ordinary [..] hectic life of work that gives us.Actually the life should be such that you start your office at 11 o'clock, better is; and you sit down with your wife, have your food in a rhythmic way. And in the daytime you must have a siesta.If Americans have a siesta in their daytime, all the tensions will disappear; because in the daytime all the deities sleep, all the deities who are in these centres, they sleep. So even if you can have a siesta, even for half an hour, I tell you the tensions will disappear. On the contrary, the pressure mounts on with the work "This is to be done, that is to be done" you rush... I mean, Americans never used to speak so fast, I tell you; now there is you cannot follow any news, you cannot follow what they speak, I mean it is impossible! Because the words go like a telescope into you, one each other and the whole life is so made that you feel that they are all under some sort of earthquake shock or something. Everyone is running helter-skelter, this that. You go into a shop, you go, if you see, everybody is wearing, like an actress, on the road, anywhere. This is the curse of the modern times, but also the blessing of modern time is Sahaja Yoga. That is why there is. Because all these problems have come up that is why now we have this blessing of Sahaja Yoga also.So what happens, when this poor spleen, becomes under the [..] and crazy, then any shock from the left side can manifest a very serious disease called as blood cancer. Now this blood cancer has been definitely cured by your Kundalini awakening. I do not cure, because if I say that all the government will arrest Me. So I would say: your Kundalini cures this blood cancer. And there are many who have been cured of blood cancer. Then the third problem is of high blood pressure, comes from the kidney. The kidney also coagulates. To begin with is in such a small dimension that you do not feel it; but because of that, the pressure rises. Then it stops functioning because it coagulates. This also is absolutely curable through awakening of your Kundalini. Then the last is the constipation. I mean, I have seen in Switzerland, people eat something that we give to buffalos in India, I mean we cannot think of eating that. They were shocked, I said: "How can you eat these cotton seeds?" He said: "This is very good for roughage". I said "But what this roughage? Tomorrow you will start eating wood or what?!".Why do you need so much roughage? Because of this problem. So nothing seems to be normal for people who think too much. And the- another side is where they do not think at all, absolutely lethargic organs also. So there are two types of human beings: one on the right side, one on the left side.Those who are sitting and crying and weeping about their past: "I had a very nice time and now it's all end, I had very good parents and now I have a horrid husband" Sorts of things goes on and on. At that time they become left sided.So we have two types of people: one who are thinking at the future and those who are thinking of the past.Both the side are nourished or looked after by we call the left and right sympathetic nervous system: the left looks after the left side, the right looks after the right side.But if we, somehow or other, get into the centre, then we do not suffer from anyone of these troubles. Our attention is, say, like this saree, I will show you, like this it moves up [Shri Mataji put Her finger under the saree and pull it up] and it pulls all our tensions in the centre through the Kundalini till it pierces through the seventh centre. And then we are in the centre. Once we come in the centre, we are absolutely there, where we are in moderation, we know how far to go with every [..] and we lead a very peaceful, nice life. We accept the life with great joy, as it is. We do not hanker, we have no greed left, there is no lust left, but we enjoy the sex life we have a sane way, we enjoy all the material things in the best way possible. For example, now see this is a carpet lying down here, when I watch this is so beautiful; but when I watch this and start thinking about how much must it have cost - of course, if it belongs to Me, it is a headache, because already I will start seeing if there are any spots whether it is insured or not, ad if somebody has spoilt it. But supposing it does not belong to Me (thank God, if that so), then also I will think "How much must it have cost?" I might feel jealous "Oh, I should have one like this, I don't have, what shop the lady must have bought it, I must go and get it!". All these thoughts will be coming into mind, not the beauty of the carpet.But when this Kundalini rises and crosses over this center of Christ, then your thoughts become quiet, you become a personality which we call as in a status of "thoughtless awareness", where you are aware, but no thought. Because we think of the future and we think of the past, but we cannot be the present. But in thoughtless awareness we are in present, there is no thought. And then the all thing that is the beauty, that was created by the creator, the joy that was put into it starts pouring onto you and you start enjoying, just enjoying, not thinking about it, just seeing not [..], no reaction just watching. And the whole of it just pours down. So this is the state when it comes to, your thinking becomes limited and then your Swadishthana chakra gets settled down. it gets also nourished by Kundalini. And that is how most of your problems are solved because every centre when it goes out of order it creates the so-called human problems.But Kundalini rising means integrates all of them. Once you are a Realized soul, your mind will not argue with your heart, with your liver, your brain, but in a very integrated manner, you will enjoy everything. You become a witness to a drama, like let's say the drama going on, you watch the drama and you are involved into it, but once the drama is over, then you will say "Oh, I am here, I am just a spectator, I am not in the drama". In the same way, the whole thing becomes like a drama and you are away from it. Your problems are like waves, they rise and fall, but once you are in the boat you can see them clearly and you can solve them. But in case you can swim, you can jump in and save others from drowning.This is the fourth stage where you have to rise, in that stage we called it as "doubtless awareness", is called as Nirvikalpa samadhi. They talk of yoga, this thing, Hatha Yoga all that. What is Hatha Yoga? Ashtamga, there is eightfold things, out of which exercises are just the wee wee wee bit and that has to be applied only when the Kundalini rises when there is a problem. But here the way they take this Hatha Yoga is something like a medicine box, the all of that [Shri Mataji move Her hands like miming the swallowing], without paying any attention to our Spirit. Is for the spiritual growth, not for physical.Because if you see the book of Patanjali, which is so big as that, there is only discussed what I am telling you today and not those things that you stand on your head, walk like this or you jog like that.These things come up as a craze and we are very vulnerable to all these things. But if you just look back, you will see this is all entrepreneur's stuff, that just try to befool us. Not only the gurus but also the entrepreneurs. They are trying to befool us. They tell us now "You must jog!", because then you must have jogging suite, you must have shoes, you must have jogging this, jogging this and you pay for it.All the time they are suggesting: "This is the fashion now!" Start a fashion with the tight pants, no, then they develop very [..], now there is loose pants. It is just a way of befooling simple, good people, taking advantage of them and we are slaves. But all these things finish off once you get your Realization, you understand these things very well and you know these crooks and you do not play into their hands. There is no need, there is no need to go on wasting your energy in changing your form, dresses, changing everything morning till evening and making a heap of plastic which cannot be burnt, which cannot be done.You become really sensible, wise, righteous, beautiful, dynamic, compassionate people, in the real sense of the world. And your priorities become so sensible, that you are amazed that yourself "How have I become like this?". Then we have artists, we have painters, we have all kinds of people in Sahaja Yoga who have really prospered in their own profession, doctors have prospered in their own profession; but they are extremely humble, compassionate, sensible and they are spirit-oriented, not money-oriented. And then the money flows, do not have to worry about money, once you are spirit-oriented money is at your feet, knowledge is at your feet, everything at your feet; because you are blessed. We have lost the faith in the blessings of God, because we are away from Him. But in His Kingdom, you will be surprised, how it works, it is miraculous, is miraculous: every small, little need is looked after and at every small point you see the hand of the Divine trying to help you. That you see yourself. I told that you'd better write about the miracles of Sahaja Yoga.When they wrote it, there was so big as that a pile, I said "Forget it! How are we going to publish this?". And that is what just going to happen. That is what you deserve. After all you are human beings. Those people who tell you: "You are sinners and all that", please know that they must be the greatest sinners ever born; do not believe all them. You are human being, after all, only human beings can make mistakes, you are not Gods. So if you have made some mistakes, why do they want you to feel guilty? If you feel guilty, you spoil this centre here [Shri Mataji indicates left Vishuddhi] and you get horrible problem of angina, or you might get also spondylitis. So many troubles with this guilt [business].So please remember that you are a human being and you have every right to be united to that Divine power and that is what Sahaja Yoga is. Sa means 'with', ja means 'born' with you is the right to this yoga means the union with the Divine. Yoga does not mean standing on your heads, it does not mean anything. If any person who talks of yoga and does not give you Realization, do not go near that person. Yesterday I told you, first thing nobody can take money from you. Of course, for this hall they are paid, the Sahaja Yogis have paid, I must say. But we were just now thinking that last four years, they have started paying, otherwise, I used to pay, my husband used to pay for everything. But then they said: "You should not pay for our Salvation, Mother, that is too much". Now they started paying for it.But not for your Realization, not to Me, but to this hall all right. And everything the accounts, everything should be clearcut. You should see where your money goes, what it happens, what it works out, who is handling the money.Then you have to see if they give you Realization or not. Realization means, you must feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. Realization means that you should have powers to raise the Kundalini of others. Realization means that you should [..] actualization of the baptism, cool breeze coming out of your head; not any priest put water on your head and say that you are now Christian.Unless and until these things happen to you, do not accept anyone, even Me. This is what one has to understand: you have to become something; and the time is there, is been announced, this time has to come and the time has come... where are the people? That I should find those people in Russia, I was really surprised, who have never heard about God, have never heard anything of Spirit, they were not supposed to talk about it and there you have thousands! How is it? Thousands! This hall, we had at least ten times bigger than this, was all completely full and the same amount of people were sitting outside. They had never known Me, they had never seen My face, nothing of... only with the photograph: they are so sensitive! Also Italians I must say, Italians have that sensibility. And Greeks. Why not the Americans? You must research it out, you have such a capacity to do research. For everything you do research: for your car, you will do research, for your sofa you will do, for even shoes they said they have researched it and made it comfortable. Then why not research and find out... at least have that scientific attitude and try to solve the problems that you have. You all can do it, I know you are very capable to do it.Those who become Sahaja Yogis, Americans, are great people; but, first of all, it is impossible to make them stick to one thing. As they change their car, change their houses, change their motorcars, they go on changing also their guru, you see: is like a guru-shopping going on. Actually, you see, I also belong to another kind of society, so-called elite society, and I just keep quiet, I never say a word there, because I am absolutely useless. And what they talk like this "Oh, have you been to this guru, recently, you know there is a lady, she comes [..] and she has those [..] and things like that. So very expensive, but very good. Very expensive. But she can give you little bargain if you bargain with her, she might". Or somebody is for sale. Can you imagine? God does not know money, does He? We sold Christ. Did we pay anything to Christ? At least Christians should not pay!Ah, of course, Hindus never payed anything to Rama, Krishna, nothing. Of course, [..] there!But this one test you must put and then the second one that you have to get something yourself, you must get something and that is your self realisation. Not craziness that on the streets are Hare Rama, Hare Krishna, Hare Rama... what is this? Anybody can do it! In India everybody does that. Wearing such dresses, what is so difficult? Also in the supermarket you get that thing, just out it on your head. It is ridiculous! If you ask any sensible man in India to do that, he says "Am I mad? Why will I do it?".Also, cut your hair this way or to wear some nonsensical dress, what is so great about it? What is so great? Anybody can do it.Or some people start jumping and saying all kind of things, and this and that "Now we have got the language, we are speaking some other language". Mad people.I mean, if you are near God you have to become much more sensible, wise, sane people, is not it? You have seen the saints, you have seen Zen people, you have seen all of them, how sensible they were. Were they mad?All kinds of craziness is associated with God, I cannot understand that.Now be wise and discriminating and try to understand: it is through you people only, is going to work out. I had asked you to ask Me some questions, you know, in this one or two days I am sorry, I cannot tell you everything about Sahaja Yoga. But they will give you books and everything, you can read them, you will understand everything about chakras... they are quite experts, they will all tell you about. Now, say there are so many lights here, when you come in, I love to just say "All right, put on that switch" and all of them will come up. But if I have to tell you all the history and everything about electricity and then where it is told and how it has come, you will be [..]. Best to have the light first and then we will talk about it. So, if you are hungry, I have done the cooking, I would say, better have it! And then we will discuss it and talk about it and there thousands and thousands of My lectures whoch you can listen to and you can know a lot and you can all become experts, you can all become big gurus, no doubt about it. You will become your own gurus. I promise: you will become your own gurus. Because you are meant to be that, you do not need any guru, your Spirit is your guru and that will guide you.It is like you take a television from America and show it to the Indians in a village and say that in this box you can see the films coming from all over the world. They will say "What? you are telling lies, how can this box give us this?". But you put to the mains. In the same way, you are put in the mains and then you will see how fantastic you are. All your freas, all your problems will just dissolve.But you must penetrate into it, deeper and deeper. Like, we had the three-four people who [..] gave Realization and next day they went and did all kinds of nonsensical things and now they have got AIDS. What can I do? Four-five years back, I gave them Realization nicely, they never settled down. They went to some over gurus and some places and all that and they got AIDS now there and they all suffering from AIDS. Of course, they can be cured, but not in America, how can I cure them? I will be again arrested. This is the problem. So you have to get into it deeply and to understand it and to become masters. You do not have to pay for it, again and again, I am saying. Only thing, you have to give some time. And we have so much time otherwise. These watches are with us because we should save time; but we save time for wasting. We have to save time for our ascent. Not much: 5 minutes in the morning, 10 minutes in the evening is sufficient. And every week, once a week, you have to come to the centre, then you will not give up. After some time, the greatest punishment for Sahaja Yogis is that you have to go out of Sahaja Yoga, it is the greatest punishment. There is no compulsion in Sahaja Yoga: you want to go away, you can go away. But some times, we have to ask them to get out, some of them have to get out and they feel very sad about it, but them they correct themselves, purifies themselves, again come back. But the movement in America is the least, much less than even South America, much much less. So I have to request you now, in San Diego, last time also, first time I came to San Diego; so again, I request you all: that you, because you belong to the city of Gods, so you have to take the responsibility and work it out here. May God Bless You. Thank you very much. Now, of course, I would like to have some questions and if they are written down is better. Yes, please, give it to him. And then after this, we will have the session of Realization which will take only ten minutes. (Voice in the background) Question: when did you realize your mission [..] always there? Shri Mataji: always there. I was born with it. Question:[..] What is the difference between Sahaja Yoga these other practices: [..], TM, Hatha Yoga [..]? Shri Mataji: TM is the worse, worse of all. You see, in TM, I must tell you, I did not know what they were doing in TM, but the head of the flying foundation in Scotland, in [..], this fellow was [..] and his wife she is the granddaughter of one Duke, her name is Lynda. And somebody came to tell Me about them that they are suffering from epilepsy and they are in a very bad shape. So, I said, "All right, I would like to see them". I did not know they were doing TM or anything, so they came to Me and I asked them "Who is your guru?". So they said: "We were doing TM and I am teaching TM, I was." And he told me such horrible things about it, he is writing a book now about it. That first of all (he told Me) there are three mantras they used to give and you are told not to tell anybody, see? And these mantras were so funny that if you have told to any Indian, he would really have laughed, because [they were not even] Sanscrit.The first one was "inga", "inga" means the bite of a scorpion, not in Sanscrit language.Then the second one is a "pinga" and a "pinga" means when a person gets possessed and goes around, around is a "pinga".And the third one is a "tinga", which one is that when you show like this to somebody, the thumb [Shri Mataji shows Her left-hand thumb], I do not know how to say, "tinga" to show like this [Shri Mataji shows Her right hand thumb and people laugh].And everybody was asked to pay three hundred pounds for this so-called mantra.And this fellow, the guru used to sit on the seventh [..] and the person had to come through six-seven rooms and [..] the great gurus and only four feet five inches for the squinty eyes, sitting there. And the guru would tell this mantra in the ears. Taking three hundreds ounds and the first door.Then there was another, six thousand pound. They said "Nothing works out, we are doing mad, so all right, no no!".So the second course, the second course they started, he told Me to go to [..] or something like that. In that they had to go to Switzerland, pay six thousand puonds each and, in a big hall like this, they were all supposed to sit down and jump on cushions and jump on some sort of a form. And they were given for six days the water that boiled some potatos, six days; and the seventh day they were given the rind to eat. And the eighth day, they gave them to eat the potatos. Because they were supposed to become very light. And they all broke their bottoms, because they had to jump very high on that.But for what? Because, he said, you can fly in the air. But I said "But why do you want to fly like this? Already we have problems of cars and things and if you start flying with them, what will happen? What is the need? You can fly by airplane, why do you want to fly like this?"Such funny ideas. But then I have found they have become recluses, all these people have become recluses and have become epileptic. Then I called him, his wife and his deputy director (thank God, my husband had gone out on some work for about a month), so they stayed in My house, I cured them. But he became completely bankrupt, his wife was commpletely ruined. They got cured, no doubt. Then he went to South Africa and now he is there, he is writing this book. And when they wanted to fight the case, the TM managed - because it was in Scotland - managed the magistrates, because they have lots of money. Here also I feel, they have told them, newspapers, not to publish anything about us. Everywhere I go, they are there just to stop My work, because after all is there earnings are killed by that.But the last thing they have started is ayurveda. Ayurveda, you do not need TM for that, anybody can do auyrveda, what is need, what is the need to have an agency of these people?But it is a fact, and they know that I know all their secrets, so they are so much against Me. Does not matter, all of them are against Me, naturally, but they are not against each other.Like Christ has said "The house of Satan will not speak against itself".So this is TM. I am sorry that you have been to TM. Of course, despite that, now we know how to manage even TM, most of it we can manage. [..]But one thing is definite that you are all seekers, otherwise you would not go to these people. So is My duty that you should get your realisation. I am duty-bound. It is My priviledge, because you are seekers, I have to give you realisation; whatever you might have done, forget it, and forgive them. What else? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: I must say AIDS patients have been cured with Sahaja Yoga, en masse, it is a fact, no doubt. But what we can do in this country I do not know, I do not have idea, because I do not want to get arrested. But in India, alternate medicines are allowed and if people could reach England, we might be able to help them. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: I have already told you that when the light comes in you just become so powerful, so confident of yourself that all your bad habits drop out. Of course, just after realisation, say you get your realisation that does not mean you became a great saint. You have to fix yourself properly, in American language: you have to fix your yoga. Unless and untill that is done, still you are vulnerable, so you must fix it up. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you get that state, you become that. I told you the Swadishthana, the Swadishthana gets nourished and you do not know from where you get your ideas. Now here it is an architect, if he tells his own experience, what he is doing now and what he was doing before. The ideas start pouring into you. Because they come from the Swadishthana chakra and the Swadishthana gets nourishment. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you see, racialism comes from ignorance, complete ignorance, we do not know that God has created all of us just the same. We smile the same way, laugh the same way, cry the same way. Nobody tells that Americans should laugh like this and the Indians should laugh like that. We yawn the same way, we sleep the same way, wake up the same way.Now we are differently made, God has made us to create beauty. You see, if there is vicitrata (they say in Sanskrit), there is variety then there is beauty, so variety is created. God created only one world, He did not know that we will make so many out of it, we have done it. But once this ignorance goes away, because Spirit is a universal being, then you become a universal being. Like... yesterday only I told you that when I went to Russia, 25 Germans rushed to Russia to give realisation to Russians; and the way they embraced and the way they loved them... I really tell you, I felt so happy and tears started rolling in my eyes. Such joy, imagine the Russian, we have these Germans who are so gentle, they are the gentlest people, you will not call them Germans any more.That is what happens, because basically you are that and you become a universal being and you follow te religion that is innate within you, which makes you a universal being. You do not become nay Christian, Hindu, Muslim: you are a human being and you become a universal human being and you respect all of them, not one. What is the next problem here? Joblessness? Joblessness, I must tell you that in London so many jobless people there are, but it is difficult to find a sahaja yogi who is jobless there, difficult, they just get jobs... and because they are doing the job of God also. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: hopeless? No, it is very hopeful. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: you see, if you are making lots of money or either you are making no money, whatsoever, in Sahaja Yoga you make money, all right, but then you do not cling to it, do not hanker after it.There was a lady here, in San Francisco, she was running a store, and when she got realisation she said that "I used to meticulously remember this I have got, that I have got, this is bought, this is sold and all those things. I have forgot all that. But now I am making a big profit". I said "Then it is all right".Money also is one of the blessings of God. And Shri Krishna has said "yogakshema vahamyam"; kshema means benevolence in every way. So once you get your yoga, then you get that, not before: yogakshema, first yoga and then the kshema. Kshema is the benevolence. So all kinds of benevolence come.But your mad-race about money finishes off. But you get money, all right, and there is complete satisfaction our of it. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: supported? Question: yes. Shri Mataji: in what way? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: financially? Question: yes. Shri Mataji: I mean, I told you now. That in the beginning I used to pay for everything, no doubt, even now in so many places (for Russia I have to pay myself), for the time being it is all right, my husband is very generous - he is an Indian, so he is thinking he is doing some God's work, by that he will get some good blessings, so he is a sensible man. He does not mind, if I am [..] he does not mind.And so also now all these things like all and all these people get it and everything is arranged by them, nowadays. But, as I told you that for Realization you cannot pay, you cannot pay Me, you cannot purchase Me, you cannot and you cannot purchase your Self-realization, your ascent.That is not much, you see, for this hall, how much you need? Do not need much money. That is all.Either you will pay thousands and thousands of rupees and pounds without asking, and if somebody has to pay even for this hall, they will say how you get this money. Of course for the hall you have to pay, do not expect Me paying for it. I did, I am saying I did pay, but now they feel ashamed that I should pay for the hall, they paid, because they are also concerned and you will also pay, I am sure. You would not like Me to pay for these halls as well as for everything, for your food or for everything: do you expect Me to do that?Not at all. So, for your salvation we need not to pay, but for your hall, you have to pay, there is no harm. But I do not keep accounts, I do not know how they paid, what... I have no idea, I do not understand accounts at all. So they do it everything and they have to explain to you, I have nothing to do with that. It is a fact, I am telling them, if it is wrong they should tell Me. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: it is again a futuristic question. First, let us have the Self, as Buddha has said and also as Mahavira has said because they taught if you talk of God-realisation, people start just thinking they are God. But the difference between the two things is one: that first you get your Self-realization established, means you understand your powers as Self; then you try to understand God. And God-realization is a situation in which you control so many things, automatically, automatically you control, you do not have to bother and just control: you are amazed how even the elements are controlled through your presence.But the first is to know your Self, establish your Self, know it well, master it and then think of another thing. Question: what the vibrations are doing and how [..] this session? Shri Mataji: all right. First, as again I say, first your Self-realization must be established and your Kundalini must be fixed properly and then - you can seat here, there are seats, come along - and then you start feeling the vibrations on your fingertips, first of all. That you will feel now even. They have marked them to show the centres, see: one, two, three, four, five on your fingertips. So you will know which is the centre that is catching. If you know how to correct the centre, then you can correct your centre. In the same way, you can feel the centres of others.Once you start feeling them properly, you have just to know how to correct these centres, finished, then you are all right. And it hardly takes one month, hardly takes one month. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: what is the use of teaching, you have had many. You have had Christ, He has given you the Bible, there are so many we have had. Now, no more teachings, actualization, ask for actualization.What else? Question: [..] Yogananada says Kriya Yoga is the quickest technique for Self-realisation. Shri Mataji: I said? Question: no, Yogananda. Shri Mataji: ah, he might have said it, but nobody has got it so far. Now, what is Kriya Yoga? Sahaja Yoga is "a-kriya". "Kriya" means what you call "kriya" in English? Yogi: action. Shri Mataji: action. Kriya is action and Sahaja Yoga a-kriya, no action. Now Kriya Yoga is like this (yesterday, I have explained to some people who asked Me) that when your car starts- I mean when it is ignited - then automatically all the machinery starts working, automatically, do not have to move anything, it is all built-in. But Kriya Yoga is this that you do not start the car, do not start the Kundalini, but you start moving the wheels. First, when I came, I was very shocked (now they have stopped all that nonsense because I think there was some sort of [..] on that. They used to cut the tongue, this thread of the tongue; and I saw some Indian doctors with the tongue wagging like that. I said "What has happened?". They could not speak, so they told Me [Shri Mataji mimes writing on Her hand] that "We have cut our threads because we have to push back our tongue and get to the "khechary" condition. Now "khechary" is a simple thing that is described (of course is a part of Sahaja Yoga only) that when the Kundalini rises the centres, first of all allow the Kundalini to rise and then they augment, and then again they relax (the higher ones) and then they augment, because they have to stop the Kundalini from falling down. It is a simple thing like that.In the same way, when it reaches Vishuddhi chakra, here also, what happens when the Kundalini rises higher there is a big augmentation that takes place and the tongue is pulled inside (which you do not feel normally, you will not feel because Kundalini rises like a jet these days).So, what they did was to cut the tongue and put it there, but the Kundalini is sitting in the sacrum bone only, what is the use?So the all Kriya Yoga is like moving your wheels, when the car has not started.It is very easy to talk of these things because in India books are available, you can read them. I know of people, there was an acterss who came to my program and I came in 71 (there are so many people who came to My program) and also dr Chodri told Me "You'd better get it copyright". I said "There is no copyright needed for this kinf of a thing, is all right!".And they are using My words, they are using word Kundalini, they are using Mahayoga, they are using the words like self realisation, everything; but doing nothing about it, just making money.Sorry, what can I do about it? It is for you to decide, it is the actualization which you should ask.And what is this Kriya Yoga. I do not know why people are so impressed by his book. Whatever is written there: he went to Himalayas, he met one guru, so what? Anybody can do that, what is so great? What has he written? Why should it interest people? What has he done? Nothing! They have, of course, got a big place where they live, that is all!But I do not think anybody has got realisation from them, they cannot. First the Kundalini has to be awakened. Question: [..] Babaji? Shri Mataji: nothing, I am absolutely against him. This is another hoax. These are all hoax, believe Me, they are all hoax.Ramana Maharishi was a realised soul, no doubt. Shirdi Sainath was a realised soul. Those who are realised I say yes, those who are not I will definitely say they are not. I have to say that.This Babaji (Shri Mataji laughs), experience of these funny people (Shri Mataji is massagging Her forehead), it is a long story. This Lahiri Baba, Lahiri, Lahiri Baba the guru of this Yogananda, he is his grandson; he came to Me and he said "I joined this Kriya Yoga and I did all kinds of things, I have never got any realisation or anything. So I was so fed up when I went to this Krishnamurti, I was with him, but then I started speaking like Krishnamurti, just like his voice and everything I started speaking doing all the drama of Krishnamurti and everything and then I got a fright when I saw myself in the mirror, I said «Oh God, I have become like Krishnamurti!» and I am just giving lectures, that's all! So, Mother, I have come to you please, now, give me realisation". You will be surprised, untill today I would not been able to do that. This one person I have not been able to do. I do not know what all he has done. I told him what all you have done tell Me. And he was telling Me many things about this Lahiri Baba and his Babaji. "All these things they do to you? Horrible!". So much they have harmed this man, He is the grandson of Lahiri Baba. Question: What do you think of Guru Nanak [..] Shri Mataji: Guru Nanak of course, Guru Nanak was the incarnation of the Primordial Master, no doubt about it, no doubt. He talked of unity, He was the incarnation of the Primordial Master who has incarnated many a times as Moses, as Abraham and also as, He has been Mohammad and then Guru Nanak. no doubt about it. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: of the? Yogi: Maitreya. Shri Mataji: Maitreya? I do not know about they know about Maitreya or not, is all a Buddhist idea of Maitreya. How will you recognize the Maitreya also? How will you recognize the Holy Ghost? If you are still waiting for Maitreya, I think you are [..] mistaken. Question: [..] Shri Mataji: what experience? Question: [..] Shri Mataji: not at all, that is horrible. Why do you want to go out of your body? Going out of body is achieved through possession. You know there are children killed in their beds, have you heard of such of things here? I do not know, but in Switzerland, children are sleeping in their beds, because their parents do not keep children with them and the children, they die. That is what is happening because of this body business, the spirits come out and, if they go out of the body, then the spirits can take away another spirit also and never return them. It is the worse thing is to become possess like this.I had three American journalists, long time back they came to see Me; and they told Me that "Mother we want to have a special capacity to know what is happening everywhere without being there. How can we do it?". I said "Who told you that I can do that?". They told Me the name of a journalist, another one, I said "He told you this? I was the one who cured him of this disease and he told you these things that I wiil make you like that?"That fellow would disappear from his body and would go somewhere else and hears something else, used to publish in the newspaper which was true, but his wife was so shocked by that, she brought him and he said "Mother, please make me one person, I do not want to have this nonsensical thing." She said one day he will be dead, I said "He will be one day will be lost".And those three people wanted to be like him I am cured, to get this disease. It is a horrible state one should never never think like that. Why do you want to run from the present? Present is the most beautiful thing, is the most beautiful thing. Present is the reality, past is finished and future does not exist. But if you can be the present, nothing [..] it. Question: What about vegetarianism? Shri Mataji: There are no "ism" in Sahaja Yoga, no "ism" at all. See in the Bible is written: "All the creatures have been created for you, for your use" and smaller animals than you, those people who need proteins should eat.Now for example in Greenland, people cannot have any vegetables at all, are they sinners?But, I should say, American should take more vegetarianism, is good because they have eaten too much of meat, so give a balance. But there is no [..] rule except that you should eat any animal that he bigger than you, because they have bigger muscular cells and those cells can harm your teeth, can harm your intestine. But smaller animal are to be, if it is needed, must be eaten; if it is not - for Indians must eat meat otherwise already they are such useless people, they are good for nothing, they cannot even hold a gun, [..] revolver. If you people go there with one revolver, the all village will jump into the well, such cowards. So for them it is necessary to eat meat, but they are vegetarians. But not in India, everybody is not now, is better.But, what I am saying it is a very logical thing and is to be understood what sort of a person you are: if you are a left sided person, then you must eat proteins; but if you are right sided person, then you must take to vegetables and to carbohydrates. Is question of proteins, carbohydrates and fats, is not question of animals and... do you mean to say by saving chickens, I can give them realisation?And this nonsense of vegeterianism has gone so far, so far now, among Jainis, I do not know if you know... there are many here, because they are money-makers. Jainis, this Jainis have started a funny type of vegetarianism, I think long time back. First of all there was one Neminath (who was one of the Tirthankar, who was the cousin of Shri Krishna), who saw many dead things in his marriage, so he felt that - I mean he felt, sometimes you do feel so many animals are dead and all that, we call it tuparati, so he started vegetarianism. But now the Jains do not allow any insect to die, even the bugs, mosquitos, [..] anything should not be dead... but they will kill human beings, all right, not animals. So ridiculous it is. Question: Shri Mataji, this person says that they have skin cancer and wants to know how can be cured. Shri Mataji: Cancer? Yogi: Skin cancer. Shri Mataji: Yes it is. It comes from liver. If your liver is cured, you can be, very easily. We have a liver diet which you are to take, you are to get your liver cured, which can be easily cured, worked it out [..]. You see, because you do not have to pay, that is why people do not do it, I have seen it they do not do it seriously. Is like this, if you pay for something then you get bound, that is mentality. Like, yesterday I was telling you that you have paid for a play and the play [..] the worse possible but you think you have paid for it, so go through it. But you do not have to pay in Sahaja Yoga, so people do not take it seriously.Asthama have been cured, livers have been cured, cancer have been cured... the skin cancer is no problem at all. But whatever they tell you, you have to listen to them and work it out; whithin one month you will find everything will be cured.There has to be commitment about it, you must be committed to yourself that I am going to get all right. You decide on that point and it will work out. I am going to be a yogi, you will be. But ther should be some commitment. Question: Shri Mataji, the last question is how do we know if we are in our Spirit and following inner guidance? Shri Mataji: Is rather confusing. Question: Shri Mataji, the last question is how do we know if we are in our Spirit and following inner guidance? Shri Mataji: All right. The question is how are we to know that we are the Spirit, that we become the Spirit. First of all, when we become the Spirit, we start feeling the cool breeze all around us, first thing. Secondly, then we start feeling our centres on our fingertips. Like supposing I get American money, and I have never known what American money is, supposing; then I have to go to the market, find out what is means. In the same way, you start using your hands - as I told you the captain of the ship - and you will feel the vibrations of another person, you ask that person. Now supposing you feel here some heat [Shri Mataji indicates Her right hand forefinger] or some sort of burning, you ask him "There is something wrong with your throat?". "How do you know?" he will say.You can feel the cancer, you can feel everything on your fingertips, you can diagnose. So you have to use your hands. That is how you will know.But then you start curing yourself and you start getting, feeling better. Then, when you become the master of this art, you start curing others. Not only physically, mentally, emotionally, every way. You feel such a balance, such joy and such peace within younself. It is not talking about peace, because I know, I have been with such people who have foundation of peace and some people have got Nobel Prizing Peace and so hot tempered, that you cannot sit near them for five minutes they emit horrible heat like a heater. I really tell you, horrible and they have got Nobel Prizes in peace. I mean, I do not know how people have given them for peace, at least they could have given for violence, but not for peace. But there is. So you really feel peaceful within youself. Now you will not believe, I am 67 years of age ad if you see my itinerary you will [..] the way I travel; all the year I am practically travelling, but I am in peace with myself. They said: "How do you manage?". I said "Why? I am there when I am traveling I know I am there, so what it there to think about, just I am there, that's all!". So you think I am traveling, I said I do not think that way, I am just sitting there, I am not traveling, is the airplane that is traveling.And that is how you are just at peace with yourself, you are at peace with everybody else and, I mean, it is another personnality that evolves out of you. So that is how you know you are that.I mean, first of all, people do not even believe that the cool breeze is coming to your fingertips, they think there must be the window, air conditioner, some people go home closing all the doors and start seeing. It is true, then they realize.So you have to spend it and experiment with it and then you definitely start believing in it, that you are the Spirit. And then you understand your powers, all right? You can raise the Kundalini of a person, you can! And you will be amazed that how you can do it.At the beginning of Sahaja Yoga, we were about twelve people and they would not put their hands, "This is not, how can we? We don't have anything", they were very diffident about it. So one day there was a lecture arranged in a place where I had to go in Nasik, I had to go by car and luckily the car failed and, in India, if your car fails you are [..], there is nothing else that you can do. And these people thought that one other has passed, Mother has not come and now all these people are going to beat us, so they started giving them Realization: they were amazed they had the power! They had the power. And that is how they discovered.So you have to be bold about it. You are that, I assure you. Only thing, you must claim what you are. I think you will finish with the thing, now let's have the Realization, that will take about ten minutes and will be a good idea to know yourself.If you want to go out for about 5 minutes you can go out, then you can start, if you think we can give 5 minutes to you, just to move out a little bit. And then come back. [After the break, the Realisation starts]

6/3/1990

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How to get the connection with the Divine power

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Public Program Day 1. Miami (USA), 3 June 1990. At the very outset, we have to know what we are seeking. We are seeking the truth. But what is the truth? The truth is that we are not this body, we are not these emotions, this intellect, this ego, these conditionings, but we are the Spirit, the Pure Spirit. This is one truth about ourselves. The second one is that we are, can you hear Me there, can you hear, can't? All right? We are. Now better? Connection has to be there. [Shri Matji laughs]. There is a subtle power which is described as the all-pervading Power of God's love, as Paramachaitanya, as Udrang, as, so many other words have been used for this power, which does all the living work. Like we see the flowers so beautiful as they are but we take them for granted. We don't see how they have come from a little seed, how they are blossoming in these different colors. All this living work we take for granted. We have also taken our evolution for granted and everything that autonomous nervous system does we have taken for granted, it's a good thing in a way because it's too much of a worry and botheration if you start thinking why of everything. But there is a power, which does all these things. Now when I'm talking to you, you are not to believe Me blind folded, it's not for blind people. But, like scientists you must have an open mind to see for yourself whatever I'm saying is for the time being, it can be like a hypothesis before you. And then you can see for yourself whatever I'm saying is true or not. In all the scriptures there's one common thing described, whether they have talked of the forms or the formless: that we have to seek the eternal and whatever is transitory is to be used with full understanding in its balance, and that's why we are lost where we have lost our balances. So the best thing is to get the connection with this Divine power, which gives us all the nourishment, all the care and all the knowledge that we have never known before, and for this you can't pay, you can't force it, you cannot compel anybody , you have to be absolutely free to get it, because after all this is the ultimate freedom you have. You have freedom because you become such a dynamic, compassionate, wonderful personality that you just become a transformed, special, glorious person. Supposing we have to take a little box of television to a village or some place where people have never seen it. Then they might say, "What is this, why have you brought this here?" But when you put it to the mains, you will realize that they are quite surprised, that this is such a dynamic thing. In the same way we have no idea about ourselves, we are not aware as to what we are. Human awareness takes you to all kinds of problems and you do not know what is the solution of these problems are. Sometimes people ask Me, "Mother why God has created us? If He has created, what's the use of this kind of a life that He has given us?" This is just a transition period, just to transition. When this evolution has to achieve its end and when it achieves its end you are as promised in the kingdom of God, and that's what has to happen. It's not just talk, talk, talk. It has to work out. The experience has to be there, and the experience of Realization is described very clearly in some of the scriptures and which says that you have to feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. In the Sanskrit language, Adi Shankaracharya has described as Salilam Salilam meaning cool breeze, cool breeze. Now this cool breeze is not chilling breeze nor is this a hot breeze but a kind of a cool soothing effects that you feel all around yourself which you have never felt before. You have never felt the existence of this all-pervading Power. But it is there, and one has to seriously think about it. It's nothing frivolous as I was also born in a Christian family so Sunday morning get ready, go to Church and meet few people, "Hello, hello," come back after the sermon, it's not like that. It's also not like going to a temple just pay a few rupees here, there and give something to the Deities and come back home. It is something that you become, becoming is the point. So, as many people have asked Me that people have come from India and they have looted so many people here and have deceived them. I feel ashamed about it of course. It was a wrong thing to do but also mistake lies little bit with you people, that you should have seen to it. When you are paying for anything in the market you see what you are buying, so before seeing it you just jumped into the thing. First of all you must see what sort of a disciple they have. Those who say, "We are doing something," you should find out what are the kind of people that are following. Because they are some cinema actors and cinema actresses, it doesn't mean that they are sane or they are wise people. What have they got, is the point. What powers have they got? As self realized people what powers they have got and what transformation they have gone through. What is the new awareness they have got? I must say I was surprised at Russians who have never known the name of God, they were not supposed to know anything about God, Christ or anyone. No conditioning of any religion whatsoever, but you'll be amazed in My first meeting only there were two thousand in the hall and two thousand waiting outside, the whole of Leningrad was there. I was amazed at them, surprised. Look at these people. They have never known of God or anything and how am I to talk to them about God and I did talk and you will be surprised that Moscow was even worse. We had to arrange a big, huge, open place for them and it was impossible to control these people because they were so many. And now the government has taken over and they have publicized Sahaja Yoga on the television. Every where you go they know Me very well and they know about Sahaja Yoga. Just imagine these people, who have been all the time cursed by communism as they say, had no freedom of choice, nothing, but they are not materialistic people, they're not materialistic, because the matter whatever was available was available, whatever was not available was not available. Like on the ship you see, if something is available on the ship, it's there, otherwise it is not. So they have no problems and no solutions, that's why. If they are no solutions, how can there be problems? So they had to deal with whatever was available. And, this is the reason why they are very, very, centrally placed people. While I find in Americans, I must say, are extremely simple hearted people, extremely simple. And they cannot think how people can tell lies. I must say Indians are quite capable of telling lies, you see, it is not that they cannot tell lies. Many people ask Me, "Mother, how could he tell such lies?" Why not? They are experts we have in India who can tell lies because they're very intelligent people. They can tell lies the way they like, they'll never know also that they're telling lie. So now these lies, whatever they have told you, whatever they claim, you just believed because you are simple people. You never even doubted them, and you thought it's best to go to these people and they will deliver the goods. Not at all. As, we have to judge what we are buying, in the same way we have to see, how can you pay for God? How much did you pay to Christ? Christians, we're Christians aren't we? How much did we pay for Christ? Then, why should we pay to anyone for God? Now this payment business, as Gregoire has told you is really, one pays something then he thinks that, "Oh I paid for it, let's go through it." But going through the hell and that's how the people are so much harmed. I have seen people harmed to such an extent that they have got epilepsies, and things and all kinds of diseases they have got. But this power is your own, within yourself. I don't have to do anything much about it. Like this candle is now ready. Now if I'm an enlightened candle, I can enlighten it, that's all. Once you get enlightenment, you can enlighten another person. But you have to you have to be serious about it. It's not just guru shopping, "Oh this guru is very good, ah, though little expensive, very good guru." Not that kind of a thing. It is something, you must respect yourself and you must respect your personality, you must have self-esteem that you are not just a human being, you are the Spirit. You are the Pure Spirit and you can transform the whole world. While Americans are so sensitive, so collective in a way because they feel for everyone, and they try to do their level best and try to help everyone. But where they have failed is that, they, lack, that discretion as to find out, what is good and what is bad and that is because they are extremely simple people. You tell them any high stories, they just believe it. It is sometimes, I'm really surprised, when they describe their gurus, I said, "How did you believe in such a stupid guru? How could you believe?" "But Mother, you know, he told us." Like there's, I'll tell you about TM, the other day they asked Me the question about TM. Now the TM, any Indian will find out that this is all stupid. But for you people it was something so great because you've to pass through seven rooms going to the other place where the fellow sitting on the, some sort of a seventh heaven and saying he's a guru and this and that and self, you see, self certificate, given to, "I'm the Guru." They might be just coming from jail and wearing some sort of a funny dress, "Come here." Most of them, I tell you, there's no credibility about them. Now, these people when they came to Me they had epilepsy, they had all kinds of problems, I said, "What is this going on?" They said, one of them who had become bankrupt because of that, somebody had sold his house and all that. So he said, "We had to pay for our mantras." Now what are the mantras? There are three mantras that they told in the beginning. Now if I'll tell you, you'll be surprised. The first one was 'Inga' means, in a colloquial way, 'Inga' means the bite of a scorpion. Second was the 'Pinga' means when you start getting possessed, you go round and round, that's 'Pinga'. The third one is the 'Tinga', there look at the Indians, means showing the finger like this [SHRI MATAJI SHOWS HER THUMB]. And for that each one of them paid three hundred pounds, for this kind of a nonsense. This is not even Sanskrit, it has nothing to do, it's not mantra. In the Vedas is written that after Realization, after Realization, you have to know the mantra, tantra and yantra. Mantra means, what mantras to be said to raise the Kundalini, I mean to open your centers. Tantra means the mechanism, the mechanics or you can say the technique and Yantra means the mechanism. But this is after Realization. Even Shri Krishna has said, Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham, that you first get your yoga, means get united with that Divine Power, that is yoga, that is your right, that is spontaneous, Sahaj means spontaneous, it's a living process and then I will look after you, not before. Even Christ has said so many times, you are to be born again. Then we certify ourselves, we are born again. This is a certificate of a human being which has no meaning with the Divine. You have to become something. Unless and until you become something, just you cannot live with false certificates. And that's what has happened to all our religions and [THINGS?]. All the religions have deviated from its roots, and the main thing was that you must have your Realization, you must have your Spirit. Once you become the Spirit then you understand the religion. Why should Christ talk of taking the birth again? Why Buddha said that you have to be a Buddha means Boddha. Boddha means you must feel it on your central nervous system. Veda, Vid also means the same thing. Why did they all say it again and again that you are to be born again, even in Sanskrit language, a person who is a realized soul is called as a dveejaha means born twice. And a bird is also called as dveejaha, meaning the one that is born again, first as an egg and then as a bird. So clearly it is given. But even then, Indians are very ritualistic, extremely ritualistic, blind folded, they do ritualism, but still I would say that they wouldn't yield to such stupid things like Inga, Pinga, Tinga, you see because they had a tradition about these things. But these people have lynched you and have taken away such a lot of money from you and you have not been able to think about it, that why are we paying these stupid people? What have they given us? What have they given to anyone? And this is what is to be questioned first of all. What are we asking? What are we seeking? What is the truth? It's a very simple thing. Within us, as Gregoire has said, in the bone, which is the triangular bone called as sacrum is placed this power, which is called as Asas in Koran. In Koran, there's a Sura called Yaaseen meaning, they say that Yoga Sajada is the name of that one, in which Mohammed Saheb has clearly described, at the time of resurrection your hands will speak. Now if Mohammed Saheb was the last man, why did he talk of resurrection? Why did he talk of the future? Why did he say your hands will speak? And that is what happens to you, that when this Kundalini which is in the sacrum bone, now also sacrum word comes from the word sacred. It means that the Greeks knew about it, that it's a sacred bone. And then it rises, pierces through six centers, pierces through your fontanel bone area, what we call as the soft bone on your head and actualization of your baptism takes place. Actualization. It is not just saying, oh no, now you are baptized, and you have got your baptism. There's no baptism in that because it has to be done by the living power that is within you. And then the transformation starts because these six centers represent your inner being, which supplies all your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual energy and which nourishes you and looks after you. Unless and until this happens, whatever we might have done so far is absolutely of no value. Some people say, "Mother, I was praying to God, praying to God and I didn't get anything." Without the connection as I said just now, the connection has to be done. Without the connection, what are we telling God? He doesn't know anything. We are lying on one said and He is on another side. We are calling for him and how will He know what we are talking to him. So this connection has to be established and now the time has come. The difference between the Yoga that Patanjali talked of, of course Patanjali didn't talk of the so called Hatha Yoga that we practice, is only physical side of it, not at all. It's an ashtanga as there are eight, eight parts of it. Only the first part is Yama Niyama and that, a very wee part is the exercise and that exercise we have to do when the Kundalini starts rising. Supposing there's some physical problem and it stops, then you have to just do that particular thing. It's a very scientific thing. So what we do is to take all the medicines from the medicine box, right from the beginning to the end. But the most of the book, deals with your spiritual side where he says, "First you become thoughtlessly aware," thoughtlessly aware, called as Nirvichar Samadhi. Where, your thoughts, which are coming from the future and the past and you are not in the present at all. So these thoughts are like this [SHRI MATAJI MAKES A WAVE LIKE FORMATION WITH HER FINGER] and we are dancing on the cusp of it. So these thoughts become thin and there's a space in between established. And when you stay in that space, you're in present. And when you are in present, your spiritual growth starts. This is the first Nirvichar Samadhi, which you achieve in no time. And then the second one is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. In which it's called ... you can say in English is doubtless awareness. Where you become so powerful, you can do so many things with your hands only, with your attention, with your eyes. As Christ has said, "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." I would like to know, how many Christians have that kind of eyes. Very few. Either there is lust or there is greed. We don't have those eyes that Christ has asked for. What is the reason? The reason is still the Kundalini has to pass through the Agnya Chakra, where resides Christ who gives that power to our eyes that they're so innocent that even a glance of those eyes can solve problems. So now, when we are in the water, we are frightened and we think we'll be drowned by the waves. But supposing you're in the boat, then you can enjoy. But supposing you learn how to swim, then you can jump inside and save many others. In the same way our problems are that we are watching our problems when we are in the water, then we get into the boat, then we see our problems better. But then we become so powerful that we can save others. And this is what has to happen that one candle can enlighten thousands and thousands can enlighten another. So the difference between Patanjali Yoga was he used to try it on one or two persons. We can say that on the tree of life there were very few people who could have got Realization. But today I find, it's a blossom time, blossom time. And so many people are seeking. This news that people are seeking, there's a demand for spiritual life must have reached those crooked people. And they must have come here with all preparation how to befool you. I'm sure they must have studied you very well, thoroughly, in what point to press and how to get all their things through and they might have been responsible. But I must tell you that Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations. And the least it is working in America, it's a sad thing. While all other type of falsehood is going on here. All other type of falsehood is going on here. Not only of Indians but also Americans and other people. They're all practicing all kinds of falsehood. But one simple test you must put, that is you cannot pay for God. Ninety nine point nine percent of these, all of them will have to go back or have to disappear in the jails. You cannot pay for God. If you can put that much test, I tell you, you can solve your problems much better. Now I am in a, in a way, I'm very much concerned about Americans. I, first time I came to any country, that was America, first time. And I talked to people about it, but they could not understand Me. They said, "We can't understand anything without money." Even the BBC in England, you see they came and told Me that an Anglo Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. You have to pay money for everything. I said, "What is this Anglo Saxon brain, is it made by God or somebody else? How is it that you understand that everything has to be through money? Through money it has to be paid for." And that is how you see I have seen the countries where we have had the experience that we have been paying and paying and paying, we cannot understand something for which you cannot pay. When we became from amoeba to human beings, logically we should know, how much did we pay? To whom did we pay? When we sow a seed in the Mother Earth, how much do we pay to the Mother Earth? The seed has a built-in quality and the Mother Earth has the built-in quality. But, the understanding of it has come to us because we have seen it happening. In the same way, in Sahaja Yoga you have to be seriously watching your own growth. And you'll be amazed how transformation takes place. There are so many miracles of Sahaja Yoga that I don't want to tell you just now because you see this ... I asked them to write about miracles, it's such a pile of miracles have come out. Because after all whatever we have not known is a miracle for us. But for that first you have to enter into the kingdom of God, without that you cannot understand. And it would be something like telling you about all this light, electricity, everything, explaining to you everything about the history of electricity, how it has come, from the source it is coming, you'll have a headache. It's better I tell you, you put on the switch first of all. So in the same way, first you have your enlightenment. And after the enlightenment, I will tell you everything about it and it will be much easier for you to understand. Before anything, I would like you to ask Me some questions if you have any because it's very important that you should ask Me questions because later on when we have this session of Realization, I would say that people, the mind starts saying that, 'Oh you should have asked this, you should have asked this.' So it's better clear out your minds first of all. If you have any questions, please ask. And I'd be very happy to answer them because as I told you this is for your freedom. Man: ...God and Spirit.. Is God reflected within us? How can man be one with God? Shri Mataji: Just a minute, just a minute, just a minute. Ah Gregoire! Somebody has to come here. [SHRI MATAJI DRINKS SOME WATER]. What is it? Just. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. God and Spirit [SPEAKS IN HINDI AND SMILES]. Is correct. That's correct. Very correct. God Almighty is reflected in your heart as Spirit. But without this connection you cannot feel that Spirit. Because I have not talked about the Spirit that's why you must be thinking, but at the very outset, I said "You have to be the Spirit, first thing." And, secondly I have also said that you have to feel this all-pervading Power. So, this connection when it is established, then only you start feeling your Spirit. And, the Spirit manifests through you. Is correct, what you said is absolutely correct. God is within you. Man: So how do we go about experiencing this? Shri Mataji: That's what we are going to do, but if that is the point then I'm very happy, because you are a real seeker, I must say. Lady: Is Sahaja Yoga related to Kriya Yoga? Shri Mataji: Not at all. It's just the opposite of it. Lady: If you're not ready to awaken the Kundalini, it can become dangerous. Shri Mataji: Ah, you see, both the questions is it's Akriya Yoga. It is spontaneous. There's no kriya. This is the great mistake these people believed that we have to do something about it. It has ruined so many people first time when I came, I must tell you. I met some of the doctors from Bombay who had cut their tongue, this, what you can call the thread under their tongue, and they were wagging their tongues just like dogs, they couldn't speak, they were doing this so-called Kriya Yoga. And I couldn't understand, they couldn't talk, so they wrote it down, that in this one, why we have cut it, to do the khechari. Now khechari is a thing that means that when the Kundalini rises you see She, the system starts working. Like your car is ignited you start your car, the whole system starts working automatically, you don't have to do anything about it. So the system starts and the center starts opening, so one center will open out supposing and then when the Kundalini passes through it augments, it sort of constricts itself so that it can stop the Kundalini from falling down. Now, this is called as bhand, but when it goes to this center, also what happens that when it rises above this center then the tongue is little bit pulled inside, but you will not feel anything at all. It's all happening inside, like your car how smooth it is as your modern cars are extremely smooth, your modern Kundalini is also very smooth, doesn't trouble you at all [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] it's like a jet it rises, really it's very surprising. Now, so, this is what happens to you when the Kundalini rises, but when you have not started the awakening, imagine if you have not started the car and you are moving the wheels or you are moving the steering then you're going to spoil it completely. It's a spontaneous thing, it's a living process, it is not that you can do much about it, it's a living process. So this is the Kriya Yoga is against, against reality. Lady: Is it dangerous to awaken? Shri Mataji: Ha, now it's not at all dangerous, how can it be? It's your Mother, it's your Mother. When you were born your mother took all the care that you are not hurt, she took all the pains upon herself, she suffered. So, the same way the Kundalini is your Mother, your individual Mother. And She has recorded everything about you. Like a tape recorder you can say [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] She is coiled up and She knows everything about you and She's so smoothly rises, you'll be surprised how smoothly it does, of course sometimes you do get little heat because there's heat in the body and your this thing opens out, the heat comes out but it doesn't matter, it's nothing, nothing dangerous, nothing dangerous at all. But those people talk of danger have no authority to do it. Supposing somebody wants you to put your hands in the plugs and you say that electricity is dangerous means this fellow doesn't know anything he's a rustic fellow has never seen electricity. They have no authority. That's why they are talking like this and deviating people from getting their Realization. But, it is a very modern thing, you'll be surprised this is only last fifty years people have been talking like that. Some Germans went to India they must have met some horrible people there and they have written all these things. Then others started writing, others started doing this.. But in the olden books you read about this one Markandeya they say he lived in the year fourteen thousand years back then there were so many like you can say Shankaracharya was there, Gyanadeva was there, Nanaka was there, Kabira, nobody said so. Only this is a modern idea to frighten people that they shouldn't get their Realization. It's just a modern idea. Man: [Asks a question about Satya Sai Baba - Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Satya Sai Baba... Now listen now. Satya Sai Baba is trying to give diamonds. And, deviate you from reality. What is there in a diamond? For God it's not even the dust of His feet, you see. And only people who go to Satya Sai Baba have suffered. I have seen so many of them suffering from heart suffering from this, suffering from that. Can't you see it yourself? Written large on his face. You can see it. If you are an Indian I'll tell you who he is, he is Maheshasura born again. Looks like a mahesha [SHRI MATAJI SPEAKS IN HINDI]. How can you believe and Indians you know they think they'll get diamonds.. nobody get diamonds. Only the politicians who can give him money. He gives diamonds to people who are very rich people. And his disciples are so crooked, so corrupt. How can it be? If you have any guru how can you be corrupt? What you're asking for, you're asking for your Self Realization. That's what you're asking. Keep on to this thing. We want our Self Realization. We want to have a higher awareness. And what is the higher awareness? Is collective consciousness. Which is described by Jung. Collective consciousness is the consciousness by which you can feel others on your fingertips and you can feel yourself within. This is what you have to expect. Even the Islam said the same thing. But, you see Islam people are not paying attention to it. Nor Christians are paying attention to it, nor Hindus are paying attention, imagine a person like Satya Sai Baba should become worshippable I can't understand. Which saint or which great incarnation has done such things. Nobody. Lady: How do You feel about asking for money for spirituality? Shri Mataji: Is correct, you see that's a very correct question you asked Me, that how do I travel because most of time My husband pays but now these people are feeling ashamed of themselves that how he should pay for your salvation so they pay to the airfare not to Me, all right? To the [SHRI MATAJI CHUCKLES] what you call the travel agents, not to Me, for this hall they have collected little money and they are paying for it. But, you would not like Me to pay for your food, for your chairs, for everything. That's not expected. See if I have to travel they should pay, it's in all self-esteem and in self-respect, but I did it for years together first when I came to America I came on My own, My husband paid for everything. Luckily he has money so and he thinks this is a good work so he pays for quite a lot of things, but that's a different thing, that's very different, that's very little that they have to pay, that's different and it's all our accounts are known. I don't know what they do, how they collect money, where they spend it, I don't see, I'm very bad at accounts [SHRI MATAJI CHUCKLES] I just don't understand, but what I'm saying that sometimes if they want to pay for My travel it's correct, because I think they must have self-respect, My husband shouldn't pay for My travel, for this hall, for their food, for everything, is it proper? It's not proper. So, if you go to one extreme that you give thousand of pounds to somebody, because he gives you a funny mantra, and here people ask Me who pays for the hall, I mean they must pay, don't you think so, in self-respect you all must pay. Man: Is there a relationship between Kundalini and sexuality? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Not at all. Zero. See now here I'll show you, it's a very good question, because I must clear this out, you see the Kundalini, Kundalini is above the seventh chakra. And the seventh chakra is the one that looks after all our excretion what you call in the medical terminology the pelvic plexus which looks after the sex also. Now this is below the Kundalini. It's not above the Kundalini, it pierces through only six center, the seventh center is the center of innocence and that's why the center is placed there because the innocence is like a lotus above the pond of excretion and this center just stops it's all excretory functions at the time when the Kundalini rises. And a person becomes innocent that's why Christ has said that you have to be like small children to enter into the kingdom of God. You see and this is a very wrong idea taken from Freud and I think Freud is the one who has ruined you people completely, [AUDIENCE LAUGHS] absolutely he's responsible for AIDS, he's responsible for all kinds of nonsensical people have done and even in Austria when I said he was absolutely a half baked fellow they all clapped with happiness [AUDIENCE GIGGLES]. But let Me finish this question little bit madam, I'll tell you that doesn't mean that you have to become ascetics or you should not marry, you have to marry, you have to have good families, you have to lead a very sane married life, and that's what it is Sahaja Yoga has got beautiful families with beautiful children and I'm happy I was told that since I've been here people have been taking to family life and understanding the beauty of family life I'm very happy about you. Yes, now madam? Lady: Am I correct that what you're saying is that God and man are one and you are just trying to reconnect us with God, and for that one cannot pay, or be nonsensical, they just have to have a clear and open mind.. Shri Mataji: Yeah, that's it. That's it. Lady: That's all? Shri Mataji: That's it's. She's understood Me very well I must say. That's it. That's it. Just what you need an open mind and another thing you need a little bit because I think we save time to waste it so we have to save time little bit to pay attention to our ascent. Little bit, not much, little bit time we must give and we must develop ourselves, first just the sprouting of the seed takes place then we have to fix it up properly and that takes hardly a month and you can become all of you can become great gurus. He's a big guru but look at his dress and all that you can't believe [SHRI MATAJI AND PEOPLE LAUGH WHILE SHRI MATAJI DRINKS A GLASS OF WATER]. He knows everything about Kundalini, but you can't make it out from him you see we are normal people, very normal. Man: How can we practice this system? Shri Mataji: Yes. Now there are no exercises madam nothing it just spontaneously happens to you and you get it there. Little bit of course I'll tell you how to raise it again and again today only but then we have to a very nice center here and we have very good Sahaj Yogis and you're welcome to come there and they will teach you each and everything I don't know when, they are having follow-on? Yogini: Saturday Shri Mataji: Where? You come here and tell them exactly. We have that is it? [LOOKS LIKE SHRI MATAJI IS REFERRING TO THE MICROPHONE]. Good, good. But you all must take collective interest into it. This is for your progeny, this is for your benevolence. You see it cures people, I will tell you about that what good things it does. Now tell them the thing. Yogi: Tomorrow evening at 7pm we'll have a second program at the Holiday Inn at State Road 7 at Commercial. Shri Mataji will be there from 7-9. Very punctually. Shri Mataji: Actually, I, had... there was only one program, I said no, one program doesn't work out in America, we must have two and so I've cancelled My going and I'll be there for you all and I'll tell you all about it all the details that I will tell you tomorrow, plus I would say that you inform your friends and your relations and those people who want to benefit, now you'll be amazed that your Kundalini awakening itself cures you. I should say that it has cured AIDS also in Australia, here I don't want to put My hand to anything curing because the doctors will be at Me, but you see the Kundalini itself, it's your own power cures you. I don't cure you, you cure by your own powers. I don't know what is the law about it that that if you cure yourself I don't know if you'll be arrested or not but it has cured cancer, it has cured so many psychosomatic troubles, so many of them, that now there are two doctors in India in Delhi University who have got their M.D. And now in Russia, in Moscow they invited eight hundred doctors first the Minister of Health talked to Me directly and they invited eight hundred doctors from all over the world. They came and seriously listened to Me, I talked to them because I know medicine so I talked to them about parasympathic nervous system and all that and they were quite amazed at it, and what they said that now we just want Realization and all of them got it and there were two noble prize winners there. So the amount of good it does, just see, what a power lying behind you and why not to get it? Why not to use it for our benevolence? And then we can't blame God for anything. If we have not got our connections with Him how can we blame Him for that? Man: When the Kundalini rises we are born again, so should one say Halleluiah again it or be quiet? Shri Mataji: What happens? With the Christians? [AUDIENCE LAUGHS]. Man: She is asking what happens when the Kundalini rises? Shri Mataji: You see, you see nothing happens outwardly, you don't dance or you jump that anybody can do, you see, what is so great about it? If anybody starts jumping or dancing or going round and round, it's anybody can do it's just a show what it is really happens when the Kundalini rises you start feeling the cool breeze coming out of your head, first of all, and you feel extremely peaceful and thoughtless, and your hands, you start feeling the cool breeze, after this you start using them and then you realize what you have got. For example, I was traveling once by first time when I came to America it was I came by ship and the captain got his Self Realization and on the ship it was that one of the gentleman had entered into the freezer, freezer room or something like that and he got pneumonia so he was sending an S.O.S. and he wouldn't allow Me to go down, so I said all right you go, now you have got the Realization, you just put your hands on his lungs and ask him to stop his breath for three times and the fellow got all right, he couldn't believe it. He said, "How could it be?" I said now you have become that, believe it, you have become that, it's like a seed becoming a flower but it doesn't believe it has fragrance, it's like that. In the beginning it's impossible for some people to believe that they have become. Now supposing somebody is an ordinary person or a beggar or anything and he comes to know that he's hit the jack pot, he can't believe it. In the same way, people don't believe, see even if he sits on the throne of a king he will still be thinking, 'Oh God, where am I sitting? Is it all right or not?' But when you start using it then you definitely know it is so, not only that but the way you change, the transformation takes place, how quite you become, how peaceful you become, your temper goes away, your irritation goes away and your blood pressures come down, your health improves, so many things happen that you're amazed 'what has happened to me?' Yes, madam? Now. Now there's a lady there putting up her head. Man: I want to know what qualifies someone to be a guru? And, what makes you do the work you do? Shri Mataji: What is she asking I didn't' follow? Yogi: She is asking what makes somebody a guru and why are you doing what you are doing? Shri Mataji: Oh, because I love it. [AUDIENCE GIGGLES] It's so beautiful to see people getting their Realization. You will also do the same once you get it, it's so beautiful. The most beautiful thing is to give Realization to someone and so joyous because if you are selfish, if you are low type of a person then you feel funny about yourself, but if you are benevolent you feel so happy about the whole thing, you enjoy your benevolence, you enjoy your virtues. Just start enjoying and that's only possible after Realization, then you just do it, I know why am I doing it, what should I do otherwise? I mean what I'm saying that supposing somebody else can do this I would like to retire Myself but it's difficult to get someone like that. I'm sorry to say. Can you do it madam for My sake? You can't that's the point. I've been trying for, now I'm sixty-seven years of age. I wish somebody could take My place but doesn't work that way. But in any case when you get your Realization at least try to give Realization to some people and you can do it, not difficult. But not at My level, that's the point is, once you come to My level, I'll be very happy to retire. [AUDIENCE LAUGHS] Question: Shri Mataji: Yeah, I'll tell you now what is the problem is, now if you see it clearly [SHRI MATAJI POINTS TO THE CHAKRA CHART] there are three lines you see them, okay? These are the three channels we have of autonomous nervous system. The two channels the one is the left and another is the right and the central one is the parasympathetic nervous system and these two are left and right sympathetic nervous system so before Realization whatever we do we can only go to the left or to the right with our effort, for example, now supposing, you want to increase the rate of your heart, you have to run, if you run rate will increase, but you cannot decrease, automatically it happens through the parasympathetic nervous system, so whatever you try like this any this psychotherapy, this therapy, that therapy, you are putting in your effort, isn't it? But here you get connected with that power which sooths you down, which looks after you, which works it out by itself, and if you really know how to keep your connection all right you don't have to worry. So this is.. you don't have to retain a doctor, you don't have to go to a psychiatrist, nothing of the kind, automatically you are looked after, because now you are connected, but before this you have to put in an effort, this is effortless. Man: What is the qualification of a guru? What should a guru be? Shri Mataji: See, it was asked to Guru Nanaka and he said, "Sahib mili hain so hi sat guru." Meaning: the one who makes you meet the Divine is the only one who is the SatGuru. Who is the Guru. Otherwise all the rest are useless. Then he has categorized them as agurus, kugurus, he has categorized them, but the one who is a SatGuru, the one who is the real Guru is the one who makes you meet God. Makes you meet this Divine power. Man: What is the role of thought in the process of Self Realization? Shri Mataji: I've already told you that when we think, we think of the future and the past, but at this moment is the thing that's reality is, the present is the reality, so what happens because of our special type of a brain that we have a prismatic, every time we react to this, to that, to that and all the time we are reacting and especially in America I find there are so many choices that you go on choosing between one to another to another to another this is maddening, we are all the time thinking, thinking, thinking we cannot stop it, but after Realization you are at peace, if you want you can think, if you don't want you need not think. Like an [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS], I must tell you, a Swiss doctor told Me: "Mother you cut my throat do what you like, but stop this thinking I'm fed up [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS AGAIN]." Yes, madam? Is there a gentleman ... all right, I can't see? Man: What are the ways and means to raise the Kundalini and what are the symptoms? Shri Mataji: The first one is I'll do it now, so you will see it's nothing so special, but the second one is that when you get your Realization first thing that happens to you that you become thoughtlessly aware to begin with when it crosses over Agnya chakra and when it pierces through this one you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, you can feel the cool breeze around yourself. Now all these fingers are shown there you can see. They denote your centers. Only you have to understand the decoding of it, now supposing you take ten children who are realized souls and you tie their eyes and ask them: "What's the matter with this gentleman?" Immediately they will all raise the same finger, supposing they raise this finger and you ask that person: "Are you suffering from bronchitis?" They'll say: "Yes, how do you know?" So, all these centers are decoded and once they are decoded if you know the decoding, if you know how to decode it, then it's so easy, very easy you find out. So this is the only thing we have to know about the decoding part of it, what is the center we are catching, what is the center others are catching? Now if you know how to correct the centers, you are all right. And the others are all right. It's very simple it's either left side or right side. Only two problems, basically. Man: What method can you use for a lay person? It's very difficult to develop this sensitivity. Shri Mataji: You see but that's what it is in the Kali Yuga, in these modern times only, when we are surrounding by all these things, we get into confusions and illusions and this kind of a subhranth stithi as they call it in Sanskrit language, is very important because in that only we have started seeking. Can you imagine Christ had only twelve disciples, only twelve, so how many were there seekers, and all these great gurus, how many disciples they had who were realized souls, very few. So, today is a special time, is already described, if you are an Indian you'll know from Naladamyanti. The Nala once got hold of this Kali and he said, "I must kill you because you have tortured me, you have separated me from my wife and you are the one who create all this confusion." So he said, "All right you can do it but you must know my importance my mahatmyam." He said, "What is your importance?" He said, "At the time when I'll be ruling" means modern times "at that time those people who are seeking the truth in the valleys and on the Himalayas will find it while they'll be householders and they'll find it." It's already described in Indian if you have read also the Nadigranth is described that this was going to happen, everything in details has been described. If you have read William Blake you will find he has described it, Lewis has described, so many people have described these times and have called it as Aquarius Time because this Kundalini is inside the triangular bone which is the Aquarius, is known as the Aquarius, I mean they are talking about it, but instead of beating the bush you see, we should really get to it. Get to it. Is there anyone else left, oh, there's one. There, please, please. Man: Is Sahaja Yoga your own philosophy, did it exist before you? Shri Mataji: It's an ancient thing, it's described in all the scriptures. It's not today's. Sahaja Yoga is not today's thing. Only the difference between the old Sahaja Yoga and this Sahaja Yoga is this that I've worked out a method in which en masse Realization can be. First thing. Secondly, without cleansing you, without making you work it out I thought of raising the Kundalini somehow. Once the Kundalini breaks through you get a light and in that light you start seeing yourself then you correct yourself, I don't have to tell you. Like supposing now you are holding on to a snake, all right? And it's all darkness if I tell you it's a snake you may say no it's not a snake, it's not a snake at all, it's a rope. What's the use of arguing? The more I argue the more you'll hold on to it till it bites you, so the best thing is to put little light there so you see, so this is the difference only we can say that somehow or other now the Kundalini just rises and gives you a power by which you become your own guru, your own master and you correct yourself. Overnight I've seen people have given up drugs, overnight, thousands, over night people have given up alcoholism, overnight people have been cured, overnight, so it's something tremendous and this tremendous power must be harnessed, must be used which is there lying within you. No amount of answering questions it is going to do, it has to work out. [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] It has nothing to do with the answering of questions or My lectures, it's something which has to work out. All right all the questions are over or is there something lingering? Man: Do we have to change our lifestyle in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: No, not the lifestyle, you see when you do what is needed for you, what is what is good for you , nobody has to change dresses or anything it's nothing outside, but supposing you see now if I tell somebody now don't wear such tight dresses, nobody would listen, because they will wear varicose veins and this all had happened. Then now they're wearing very, very loose ones. Now in England there was a fashion came up when people were having holey pants with the holes. Imagine, I mean it's such a cold country to have holes in it, I mean, it's stupidity isn't it? But nobody will listen and also these people came with punks and this and that, and if you talk to them they'll say: "What's wrong?" So, best thing is to raise their Kundalini then they themselves understand what's wrong with them. Nothing has to be changed as such outside, but you yourself take to things which are sensible, which are wise, which are good for you, you yourself take to it, I don't have to tell you anything about it. Yogi: Would You like to guide us into meditation now? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, why not? [THE CROWD STARTS CLAPPING]. They were telling Me a trick for Americans, I must tell you. They said: "First day don't give Realization, then they will come next day." I said, it's not so, after all you are wise people, because you have to develop it that's the point is. Yogi: There was a question.. Shri Mataji: What, what is it, don't fight. [SHRI MATAJI IS REFERRING TO THE LADY ASKING THE QUESTION]. There's no need to fight. Lady: Something very strange.. want an answer. Shri Mataji: What is? Lady: What about vegetarianism? And, if you believe that by eating meat, war can ever be at peace, how can we achieve our spiritual breakthrough? Shri Mataji: All right, you become vegetarian. All right? So it's all right for you to become vegetarian and receive that all right? Any 'ism' is against Sahaj Yoga, any 'ism' is against, 'ism' is a mental idea, it's not the truth, it's not reality, you have to face the reality as it is with your mental projections you do not do not conform to something. First of all find out what is right and what is wrong through your Spirit, in the light of the Spirit you find out and then you decide. It is no use before hand just to decide this is the thing and that is the thing. You see this kind of nonsensical ideas people had so many to such an extent that in India we have Jainism in which they do not even kill the bugs or the mosquitoes or anything and they don't want to go in the W.C.'s but they go onto some hills and the Mayor of Bombay came to ask Me: "What should we do about it?" Because they say that in our religion we cannot even kill these things which are being excreted out, so now we have to save them, imagine, we have to save human beings. Are we going to give Realizations to chickens or what? You have to be sensible enough first of all to ask for your spiritual ascent and then decide, don't decide before hand, it's like the snake story I told you just now. So this is what it is, we have vegetarians in India so what. Have they all gone to God? There are so many who will tell you that they are the cruelest people. we are Marwaris are are all vegetarians, what do you think about them? They have no humanity of any kind, no humanity. We have to be kind to human beings first of all. First of all we have to be kind to our fellow men. She is a vegetarian and how much she shouts, can you imagine? For a vegetarian she is shouting so much what's the use of being vegetarian, you have to be a mild person at least when you are shouting. [AUDIENCE STARTS CLAPPING]. Yogi: There will be a chance to ask Shri Mataji questions..but I'm sorry about it.. I forgot... Shri Mataji: No, no, no it's all right, it's nice because then you see for yourself certain aspects which you have not dealt with because you see certain ideas we have got within ourselves, everything we have thought about reality, about God, about vegetarianism or this or that and every sort of a thing, some people think if you leave your houses and you become ascetic, some people think if you wear a kind of a dress and all that, But first of all I say you get your Realization, you have the light and then decide for yourself, it's your decision, your understanding, your growth, you have to open your eyes to it, unless and until you have opened your eyes how can you accept any theory? Then every theory, everybody thinks you see if you have to ask the Jews about the Christians they'll tell you they are the worst of all, the Jews are the only chosen ones if you ask the Christians they'll tell you they are the only chosen ones, if you ask the Muslims, they are the only chosen ones, but I feel all of them are going towards hell. [AUDIENCE LAUGHS]. Because the way they are fighting [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] the way they are quarrelling, the way they are killing, how can they be people who are religious in the name of God, in the name of religion, can you imagine. That's no religion at all which fights because they've not jumped onto the new awareness of collective consciousness where you know that we are part and parcel of the whole you know it, it's not the knowledge by your brain, but in your being you can feel that you are part and parcel of the whole. Unless and until that happens you'll go on fighting on somethings, thinking yourself to be the best and here they're all moving towards what? The complete exodus that side and also if, I don't know if there is so much space in hell for them or not. They might have to hang in the limbo. [SHRI MATAJI AND AUDIENCE LAUGHS] Yes, yes. Man: You mentioned about a hell and heaven. Is there hell and heaven? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, there is, I must say, yeah, of course but forget about it, just now I'm talking about the heavens so forget about the hell part. All right. Lady: Do you believe in reincarnation, because you say that some people in India won't even kills bugs because they believe it's reincarnation? Shri Mataji: What is she [AS..del]? Yogi: Do you believe in reincarnation? Shri Mataji: I? You see actually to be very frank you know I've become very clever. You see Christ talked, said, that He was the Son of God and I tell you He was, but you crucified Him, so I'm very clever. I'll not talk about Myself. First you have your Self Realization because I don't want to get crucified by any chance so you all first get your Realization and understand Me that is the best way. Yogi: All right, I'm sorry.. I feel that a lot of your questions will get answered after your SelRealization, if you have any other questions please write them and you can give them to Patrick who is the coordinator of Sahaja Yoga in Florida and tomorrow Shri Mataji can answer them. And perhaps now the question part is finished and maybe Shri Mataji now can grant us the meditation. This is very great news. [AUDIENCE CLAPS] Shri Mataji: Of course for this question I have to say just this much that if I'm doing this I must be something, isn't it? Otherwise, how can I do it? So there must be something about it, but it is better you find out yourself, it's better you find out yourself about it, because whatever you want to find out if you just get your Realization you have to just put your hands like this and ask a question, say you ask a question: "Is there God?" Immediately you start getting the vibrations and you ask about some horrible fellow: "Is he good?" You'll get heat, burning sometimes even blisters. This Satya Sai Baba you get blisters sometimes. They don't talk against each other, all of them are see as Christ has said: "The house of Satan will not speak against itself." It's like that. All right so let us now have Realization. It's done, Gregiore? It's all right, so the questionnaire is over. Let's see. I'm very happy you people are so anxious to get your Realization and that you will definitely work it out further. [SHRI MATAJI GIVES REALIZATION] We have to remember that there are two conditions for Realization. The first condition is that, you have to know that you are a human being and you are not Gods and if you have done any mistakes there's no need to be guilty about it. So you don't have to be guilty at all for anything whatsoever, because if you feel guilty this center catches here [SHRI MATAJI PUTS HER HAND ON HER LEFT VISHUDDHI] it's a very bad thing. It catches here by this center you get diseases like angina also you might get a disease like spondylitis, so many diseases you get, so please for [SHORT PAUSE] your sake you have to say that "I am not guilty at all," believe Me you are not guilty, it's your only mental conception, you'll find out that you are not guilty, very soon you'll find out, you're not guilty for whatever you have done, after all this Divine Power is the ocean of forgiveness. And what little mistakes you commit [SHORT PAUSE] it can dissolve it so please first of all this is a very big condition that "I'm not guilty at all." You see the English language is such that every minute you go on saying: "Sorry, sorry, sorry." And that's how you build up your guilt, there's nothing to be guilty about. This is a very crucial thing that you should all say: "I'm not guilty at all" within yourself. This is one condition. I assure you you are not, so you have to believe Me there. The second point is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. Not remembering everyone in particular, "I must forgive that, I must forgive that." In general you have to forgive everyone. Now you might say that it's difficult to forgive, I mean, might say, so many people say so, but whether you forgive or you don't forgive logically what do you do? You don't do anything. On the contrary you play into the hands of wrong people who want to torture you, who want to trouble you. Who have been anxious to make you miserable, they are very happy, while you are suffering here by not forgiving, so why play into their hands. So please forgive everyone, you have to forgive everyone, this is very important also because if you don't forgive then this center which is [SHRI MATAJI MAKES A CROSS SHAPE WITH HER HANDS SHOWING HOW THE AGYNA CHAKRA IS CONSTRICTED] in the optic chiasma is a very constricted one, doesn't open and it's a very difficult thing for Me to raise your Kundalini, so please forgive everyone. At the very outset, I've told you these are the two conditions we have, first of all we must know we are human beings, and we are going to enter into the Kingdom of God, we should be very pleasantly placed towards ourselves, and we should know, we should have our self-esteem, we have to have it, this is your right to have it, this is what Sahaj Yoga is, the right to enter into the Kingdom of God, you all have it, and you must have it, so have all self-confidence within you that you all are going to get it. There should be no diffidence, there should be no problem about it, "I've done this, I've done that," even I've told you that they were drug addicts, alcoholics people, all of them got Realization over night. So, you have done no mistakes, nothing of the kind and just know that you have to be the Spirit, which you are, that's the truth about. So these are the two conditions you have to fulfill and secondly, we'll have to take out our shoes, because this Mother Earth helps us, She takes lot of our problems upon Herself, so we'll have to take out our shoes, you can have your socks if you have. And, put both the feet away from each other because as I told you there are two powers left and right side. So both of them have to be apart from each other. [SPEAKS IN HINDI] Now he will show you [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. He will show you, because, of course, there is nothing to do done. But we have to nourish our centers, very simple things these are which you can use later on I told you that you can use this later on also, and, the left hand suggests the power of desire, and the Kundalini is the power of pure desire. The pure desire whether you know or not is that to be one with the Divine Power to be the Spirit is our pure desire. But, our desire power is represented on the left hand side and our power of action is represented on our right hand, which I will explain to you tomorrow in all details, but today just if you listen to Me, put your left hand on your lap just like this, just like this, sit very comfortably but you need not, I mean you should not be too much bending or pushing back, but ordinarily as we sit straight you should sit down like that. Put your left hand towards Me, and the right hand on your heart. Because with the right hand we will be working only on the left hand side. And the left hand will be all the time on our lap suggesting that you want your Self Realization. Now, this right hand is on the heart because in the heart resides the Spirit, so first, most important thing is that we have to nourish our Spirit. So, the second thing is we put our hand on the left hand side of our stomach of our abdomen on the left hand side in the upper portion and press it hard, now this is the center of our mastery, what we call that all the gurus, all the great prophets have made this one for us, we have to enlighten this center which we call is the center of our mastery [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Now, you have to take down your right hand, now in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side, now this is the center of pure knowledge, now the pure knowledge is the knowledge that you get on your central nervous system, which manifests on your central nervous system, so this is a very important center also that your being should get this pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system so you become empowered to raise the Kundalini of others, to give Realizations to others and to know yourself what's wrong with you and to know about others and to be able to correct all these mistakes. Now you have to again raise your hand in the upper part of your abdomen on the left hand side. Then you have to raise your right hand again on your heart, now here is again as you know is your Spirit. But now your have to raise your hand in the corner of your left corner of your shoulder and your neck and turn your head to your right, take back your hand as much as you can, this is the center as I told you catches very much when you feel guilty and today I find it's catching very much here in the congregation, so now please, please, please, don't feel guilty, this is the center is very important, put your head to your right, absolutely at right angle Then now you have to put your right hand on top of your forehead across and put down your head on top and press it hard. [LONG PAUSE] This is the center for forgiving others, now you take back this right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as much as possible, now this is for your satisfaction, not for counting your mistakes or anything, but for your satisfaction, you have to ask for forgiveness from this Divine Power. Now you have to stretch your hand, fully, and put the center of your palm exactly on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood, exactly there as you call this talavyum or taloo. Put it there now, now put down your head as much as you can, push back your fingers, push back your fingers as much as you can, now you press it, press your scalp nicely and move your scalp slowly, clockwise seven times. Scalp, not the hand so much as the scalp, be careful in moving, put down your head please, put down your head. [LONG PAUSE] Now that's all we have to do, but now we have to close our eyes, you can take out your spectacles, we have to close our eyes, and now put both the feet on the ground little separate from each other. Now, we start the process, put the left hand towards Me on your lap. Please close your eyes, don't open your eyes till I tell you, please don't open your eyes till I tell you, now raise your right hand on the heart. And, as you know here resides the Spirit, you have to ask Me a very important fundamental question three times, you may call Me Shri Mataji or you can call Me Mother, whatever you like. "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask this question three times, in your heart, not loudly, ask all the questions in your heart, "Mother am I the Spirit?" If you are the Spirit you become your master, so now please take down your hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard with your fingers, and now here ask a question again three times: "Mother, am I my own master?" [LONG PAUSE] Now take down your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, on the left hand side, this is the center of pure knowledge, and I respect your freedom I cannot force this pure knowledge on you, you have to ask for it. So, please ask six times because this center has got six petals. Please ask six times, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." [LONG PAUSE] As soon as you start asking for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts moving upward. And at this time, we have to help Her by nourishing our centers, higher centers. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Now, you have to nourish it with self-confidence, so here with full self-confidence you have to say: "Mother, I am my own master." This is a wonderful thing to say because by this if you have been to wrong masters, it absolutely cures so please say ten times, "Mother I am my own master." [LONG PAUSE] The Divine Power is the power of all the knowledge and all the source of all the intelligence and of joy. It is also the source of all the benevolence, compassion, and the blessings, but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness so as I told you what mistakes can you commit which cannot be dissolved by the power of this forgiveness, so now, first of all you have to forgive yourself, that's very important because of this chakra catching in you it's very difficult to raise the Kundalini, now you put your right hand on your heart and here you have to say with full confidence in your self, twelve times, twelve times, "Mother I am the Spirit." Please say it twelve times. [LONG PAUSE] Again and again I have to say that please don't feel guilty you have to be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, because you don't know yourself, because of ignorance you feel guilty please remember that if you feel guilty it is a sin against yourself, please forgive yourself, there's nothing to be guilty about. Now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your head, and turn your head to your right, now here with full confidence you have to say sixteen times, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all," please say it sixteen times, "Mother I am not guilty at all." [LONG PAUSE] I have already told you that you have to forgive others in general not in particular. This is very, very important, that you have to forgive and if you don't forgive you play into wrong hands, you create problems, you have headaches, not only that but the Kundalini doesn't move, so please forgive everyone. Now put your hand on top your forehead across and bend your head as much as possible and now here you have to say with full confidence, "Mother, I forgive everyone," now don't think about the people whom you have to forgive, "Mother, I forgive everyone," not how many times, but from your heart you have to say, please say it from your heart, "Mother, I forgive everyone," it's very important. Unless and until you say it from your heart, it won't work out. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible, now here again without feeling guilty, without condemning yourself, without thinking what mistakes you have committed for your own satisfaction you have to say from your heart, not how many times, "Oh Divine Power, please forgive, forgive me if I have said or done something knowingly, or unknowingly. Oh, Divine Power, please forgive me if I have done anything knowingly or unknowingly that was wrong, please forgive me." [LONG PAUSE] Now stretch your palm fully, put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area and press it down. Press down, bend your head properly, push back your fingers, unless and until you push back your fingers you cannot press it, here again, I cannot cross over your freedom, you have to ask for Self Realization in your own freedom and your own glory, so please say seven times, " Mother, please give me Self Realization," and move your hand with the fingers pushed back, with a big pressure on your scalp, move your scalp seven times, saying, "Mother please give me my Self Realization," bend your head please, bend your head then you can do it better, this is a very important thing that you have to ask for it. [SHRI MATAJI BLOWS SEVEN TIMES IN THE MICROPHONE]. Don't put your hand very ... on top of the head but close to it, just see. Now see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head, if it is not coming out please forgive even if it is hot please forgive it should become cool, just forgive everyone, that's the biggest solution, the biggest weapon. Now don't put it very close, you have to keep it little, bend your head, then you can do it better. Please bend your head and see for yourself, see, just see for yourself. Bend your head and keep away from your head, not just on top then you cannot feel it, now, yeah, now please raise your both the hands, towards the sky and push back you head, and ask a question, "Mother is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?" "Mother, is this the all-pervading Power of God, Mother is this the Paramachaitanya?" Ask anyone of these questions three times, in your heart. Now take down your hands please. Now those who have felt the cool breeze or heat out of their head or on their fingertips or in their hands, please raise both your hands, higher. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. May God bless you, may God bless you! All of you have got it. May God bless you. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Please again raise your hands. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Please raise your hands, those who have felt the cool breeze, higher, higher. You didn't feel madam, sure, you did, yes, yes, it's there, all right, so may God bless you. All of you have felt practically, one or two haven't felt, doesn't matter, so may God bless you all. Tomorrow I am going to come here and we are going to fix it for nicely, then also you must call your friends everyone, you'll feel very nice, now you'll sleep well and enjoy.

Public Program Day 1. Miami (USA), 3 June 1990. At the very outset, we have to know what we are seeking. We are seeking the truth. But what is the truth? The truth is that we are not this body, we are not these emotions, this intellect, this ego, these conditionings, but we are the Spirit, the Pure Spirit. This is one truth about ourselves. The second one is that we are, can you hear Me there, can you hear, can't? All right? We are. Now better? Connection has to be there. [Shri Matji laughs]. There is a subtle power which is described as the all-pervading Power of God's love, as Paramachaitanya, as Udrang, as, so many other words have been used for this power, which does all the living work. Like we see the flowers so beautiful as they are but we take them for granted. We don't see how they have come from a little seed, how they are blossoming in these different colors. All this living work we take for granted. We have also taken our evolution for granted and everything that autonomous nervous system does we have taken for granted, it's a good thing in a way because it's too much of a worry and botheration if you start thinking why of everything. But there is a power, which does all these things. Now when I'm talking to you, you are not to believe Me blind folded, it's not for blind people. But, like scientists you must have an open mind to see for yourself whatever I'm saying is for the time being, it can be like a hypothesis before you. And then you can see for yourself whatever I'm saying is true or not. In all the scriptures there's one common thing described, whether they have talked of the forms or the formless: that we have to seek the eternal and whatever is transitory is to be used with full understanding in its balance, and that's why we are lost where we have lost our balances. So the best thing is to get the connection with this Divine power, which gives us all the nourishment, all the care and all the knowledge that we have never known before, and for this you can't pay, you can't force it, you cannot compel anybody , you have to be absolutely free to get it, because after all this is the ultimate freedom you have. You have freedom because you become such a dynamic, compassionate, wonderful personality that you just become a transformed, special, glorious person. Supposing we have to take a little box of television to a village or some place where people have never seen it. Then they might say, "What is this, why have you brought this here?" But when you put it to the mains, you will realize that they are quite surprised, that this is such a dynamic thing. In the same way we have no idea about ourselves, we are not aware as to what we are. Human awareness takes you to all kinds of problems and you do not know what is the solution of these problems are. Sometimes people ask Me, "Mother why God has created us? If He has created, what's the use of this kind of a life that He has given us?" This is just a transition period, just to transition. When this evolution has to achieve its end and when it achieves its end you are as promised in the kingdom of God, and that's what has to happen. It's not just talk, talk, talk. It has to work out. The experience has to be there, and the experience of Realization is described very clearly in some of the scriptures and which says that you have to feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. In the Sanskrit language, Adi Shankaracharya has described as Salilam Salilam meaning cool breeze, cool breeze. Now this cool breeze is not chilling breeze nor is this a hot breeze but a kind of a cool soothing effects that you feel all around yourself which you have never felt before. You have never felt the existence of this all-pervading Power. But it is there, and one has to seriously think about it. It's nothing frivolous as I was also born in a Christian family so Sunday morning get ready, go to Church and meet few people, "Hello, hello," come back after the sermon, it's not like that. It's also not like going to a temple just pay a few rupees here, there and give something to the Deities and come back home. It is something that you become, becoming is the point. So, as many people have asked Me that people have come from India and they have looted so many people here and have deceived them. I feel ashamed about it of course. It was a wrong thing to do but also mistake lies little bit with you people, that you should have seen to it. When you are paying for anything in the market you see what you are buying, so before seeing it you just jumped into the thing. First of all you must see what sort of a disciple they have. Those who say, "We are doing something," you should find out what are the kind of people that are following. Because they are some cinema actors and cinema actresses, it doesn't mean that they are sane or they are wise people. What have they got, is the point. What powers have they got? As self realized people what powers they have got and what transformation they have gone through. What is the new awareness they have got? I must say I was surprised at Russians who have never known the name of God, they were not supposed to know anything about God, Christ or anyone. No conditioning of any religion whatsoever, but you'll be amazed in My first meeting only there were two thousand in the hall and two thousand waiting outside, the whole of Leningrad was there. I was amazed at them, surprised. Look at these people. They have never known of God or anything and how am I to talk to them about God and I did talk and you will be surprised that Moscow was even worse. We had to arrange a big, huge, open place for them and it was impossible to control these people because they were so many. And now the government has taken over and they have publicized Sahaja Yoga on the television. Every where you go they know Me very well and they know about Sahaja Yoga. Just imagine these people, who have been all the time cursed by communism as they say, had no freedom of choice, nothing, but they are not materialistic people, they're not materialistic, because the matter whatever was available was available, whatever was not available was not available. Like on the ship you see, if something is available on the ship, it's there, otherwise it is not. So they have no problems and no solutions, that's why. If they are no solutions, how can there be problems? So they had to deal with whatever was available. And, this is the reason why they are very, very, centrally placed people. While I find in Americans, I must say, are extremely simple hearted people, extremely simple. And they cannot think how people can tell lies. I must say Indians are quite capable of telling lies, you see, it is not that they cannot tell lies. Many people ask Me, "Mother, how could he tell such lies?" Why not? They are experts we have in India who can tell lies because they're very intelligent people. They can tell lies the way they like, they'll never know also that they're telling lie. So now these lies, whatever they have told you, whatever they claim, you just believed because you are simple people. You never even doubted them, and you thought it's best to go to these people and they will deliver the goods. Not at all. As, we have to judge what we are buying, in the same way we have to see, how can you pay for God? How much did you pay to Christ? Christians, we're Christians aren't we? How much did we pay for Christ? Then, why should we pay to anyone for God? Now this payment business, as Gregoire has told you is really, one pays something then he thinks that, "Oh I paid for it, let's go through it." But going through the hell and that's how the people are so much harmed. I have seen people harmed to such an extent that they have got epilepsies, and things and all kinds of diseases they have got. But this power is your own, within yourself. I don't have to do anything much about it. Like this candle is now ready. Now if I'm an enlightened candle, I can enlighten it, that's all. Once you get enlightenment, you can enlighten another person. But you have to you have to be serious about it. It's not just guru shopping, "Oh this guru is very good, ah, though little expensive, very good guru." Not that kind of a thing. It is something, you must respect yourself and you must respect your personality, you must have self-esteem that you are not just a human being, you are the Spirit. You are the Pure Spirit and you can transform the whole world. While Americans are so sensitive, so collective in a way because they feel for everyone, and they try to do their level best and try to help everyone. But where they have failed is that, they, lack, that discretion as to find out, what is good and what is bad and that is because they are extremely simple people. You tell them any high stories, they just believe it. It is sometimes, I'm really surprised, when they describe their gurus, I said, "How did you believe in such a stupid guru? How could you believe?" "But Mother, you know, he told us." Like there's, I'll tell you about TM, the other day they asked Me the question about TM. Now the TM, any Indian will find out that this is all stupid. But for you people it was something so great because you've to pass through seven rooms going to the other place where the fellow sitting on the, some sort of a seventh heaven and saying he's a guru and this and that and self, you see, self certificate, given to, "I'm the Guru." They might be just coming from jail and wearing some sort of a funny dress, "Come here." Most of them, I tell you, there's no credibility about them. Now, these people when they came to Me they had epilepsy, they had all kinds of problems, I said, "What is this going on?" They said, one of them who had become bankrupt because of that, somebody had sold his house and all that. So he said, "We had to pay for our mantras." Now what are the mantras? There are three mantras that they told in the beginning. Now if I'll tell you, you'll be surprised. The first one was 'Inga' means, in a colloquial way, 'Inga' means the bite of a scorpion. Second was the 'Pinga' means when you start getting possessed, you go round and round, that's 'Pinga'. The third one is the 'Tinga', there look at the Indians, means showing the finger like this [SHRI MATAJI SHOWS HER THUMB]. And for that each one of them paid three hundred pounds, for this kind of a nonsense. This is not even Sanskrit, it has nothing to do, it's not mantra. In the Vedas is written that after Realization, after Realization, you have to know the mantra, tantra and yantra. Mantra means, what mantras to be said to raise the Kundalini, I mean to open your centers. Tantra means the mechanism, the mechanics or you can say the technique and Yantra means the mechanism. But this is after Realization. Even Shri Krishna has said, Yoga Kshema Vahamyaham, that you first get your yoga, means get united with that Divine Power, that is yoga, that is your right, that is spontaneous, Sahaj means spontaneous, it's a living process and then I will look after you, not before. Even Christ has said so many times, you are to be born again. Then we certify ourselves, we are born again. This is a certificate of a human being which has no meaning with the Divine. You have to become something. Unless and until you become something, just you cannot live with false certificates. And that's what has happened to all our religions and [THINGS?]. All the religions have deviated from its roots, and the main thing was that you must have your Realization, you must have your Spirit. Once you become the Spirit then you understand the religion. Why should Christ talk of taking the birth again? Why Buddha said that you have to be a Buddha means Boddha. Boddha means you must feel it on your central nervous system. Veda, Vid also means the same thing. Why did they all say it again and again that you are to be born again, even in Sanskrit language, a person who is a realized soul is called as a dveejaha means born twice. And a bird is also called as dveejaha, meaning the one that is born again, first as an egg and then as a bird. So clearly it is given. But even then, Indians are very ritualistic, extremely ritualistic, blind folded, they do ritualism, but still I would say that they wouldn't yield to such stupid things like Inga, Pinga, Tinga, you see because they had a tradition about these things. But these people have lynched you and have taken away such a lot of money from you and you have not been able to think about it, that why are we paying these stupid people? What have they given us? What have they given to anyone? And this is what is to be questioned first of all. What are we asking? What are we seeking? What is the truth? It's a very simple thing. Within us, as Gregoire has said, in the bone, which is the triangular bone called as sacrum is placed this power, which is called as Asas in Koran. In Koran, there's a Sura called Yaaseen meaning, they say that Yoga Sajada is the name of that one, in which Mohammed Saheb has clearly described, at the time of resurrection your hands will speak. Now if Mohammed Saheb was the last man, why did he talk of resurrection? Why did he talk of the future? Why did he say your hands will speak? And that is what happens to you, that when this Kundalini which is in the sacrum bone, now also sacrum word comes from the word sacred. It means that the Greeks knew about it, that it's a sacred bone. And then it rises, pierces through six centers, pierces through your fontanel bone area, what we call as the soft bone on your head and actualization of your baptism takes place. Actualization. It is not just saying, oh no, now you are baptized, and you have got your baptism. There's no baptism in that because it has to be done by the living power that is within you. And then the transformation starts because these six centers represent your inner being, which supplies all your physical, mental, emotional and spiritual energy and which nourishes you and looks after you. Unless and until this happens, whatever we might have done so far is absolutely of no value. Some people say, "Mother, I was praying to God, praying to God and I didn't get anything." Without the connection as I said just now, the connection has to be done. Without the connection, what are we telling God? He doesn't know anything. We are lying on one said and He is on another side. We are calling for him and how will He know what we are talking to him. So this connection has to be established and now the time has come. The difference between the Yoga that Patanjali talked of, of course Patanjali didn't talk of the so called Hatha Yoga that we practice, is only physical side of it, not at all. It's an ashtanga as there are eight, eight parts of it. Only the first part is Yama Niyama and that, a very wee part is the exercise and that exercise we have to do when the Kundalini starts rising. Supposing there's some physical problem and it stops, then you have to just do that particular thing. It's a very scientific thing. So what we do is to take all the medicines from the medicine box, right from the beginning to the end. But the most of the book, deals with your spiritual side where he says, "First you become thoughtlessly aware," thoughtlessly aware, called as Nirvichar Samadhi. Where, your thoughts, which are coming from the future and the past and you are not in the present at all. So these thoughts are like this [SHRI MATAJI MAKES A WAVE LIKE FORMATION WITH HER FINGER] and we are dancing on the cusp of it. So these thoughts become thin and there's a space in between established. And when you stay in that space, you're in present. And when you are in present, your spiritual growth starts. This is the first Nirvichar Samadhi, which you achieve in no time. And then the second one is called as Nirvikalpa Samadhi. In which it's called ... you can say in English is doubtless awareness. Where you become so powerful, you can do so many things with your hands only, with your attention, with your eyes. As Christ has said, "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." I would like to know, how many Christians have that kind of eyes. Very few. Either there is lust or there is greed. We don't have those eyes that Christ has asked for. What is the reason? The reason is still the Kundalini has to pass through the Agnya Chakra, where resides Christ who gives that power to our eyes that they're so innocent that even a glance of those eyes can solve problems. So now, when we are in the water, we are frightened and we think we'll be drowned by the waves. But supposing you're in the boat, then you can enjoy. But supposing you learn how to swim, then you can jump inside and save many others. In the same way our problems are that we are watching our problems when we are in the water, then we get into the boat, then we see our problems better. But then we become so powerful that we can save others. And this is what has to happen that one candle can enlighten thousands and thousands can enlighten another. So the difference between Patanjali Yoga was he used to try it on one or two persons. We can say that on the tree of life there were very few people who could have got Realization. But today I find, it's a blossom time, blossom time. And so many people are seeking. This news that people are seeking, there's a demand for spiritual life must have reached those crooked people. And they must have come here with all preparation how to befool you. I'm sure they must have studied you very well, thoroughly, in what point to press and how to get all their things through and they might have been responsible. But I must tell you that Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations. And the least it is working in America, it's a sad thing. While all other type of falsehood is going on here. All other type of falsehood is going on here. Not only of Indians but also Americans and other people. They're all practicing all kinds of falsehood. But one simple test you must put, that is you cannot pay for God. Ninety nine point nine percent of these, all of them will have to go back or have to disappear in the jails. You cannot pay for God. If you can put that much test, I tell you, you can solve your problems much better. Now I am in a, in a way, I'm very much concerned about Americans. I, first time I came to any country, that was America, first time. And I talked to people about it, but they could not understand Me. They said, "We can't understand anything without money." Even the BBC in England, you see they came and told Me that an Anglo Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. You have to pay money for everything. I said, "What is this Anglo Saxon brain, is it made by God or somebody else? How is it that you understand that everything has to be through money? Through money it has to be paid for." And that is how you see I have seen the countries where we have had the experience that we have been paying and paying and paying, we cannot understand something for which you cannot pay. When we became from amoeba to human beings, logically we should know, how much did we pay? To whom did we pay? When we sow a seed in the Mother Earth, how much do we pay to the Mother Earth? The seed has a built-in quality and the Mother Earth has the built-in quality. But, the understanding of it has come to us because we have seen it happening. In the same way, in Sahaja Yoga you have to be seriously watching your own growth. And you'll be amazed how transformation takes place. There are so many miracles of Sahaja Yoga that I don't want to tell you just now because you see this ... I asked them to write about miracles, it's such a pile of miracles have come out. Because after all whatever we have not known is a miracle for us. But for that first you have to enter into the kingdom of God, without that you cannot understand. And it would be something like telling you about all this light, electricity, everything, explaining to you everything about the history of electricity, how it has come, from the source it is coming, you'll have a headache. It's better I tell you, you put on the switch first of all. So in the same way, first you have your enlightenment. And after the enlightenment, I will tell you everything about it and it will be much easier for you to understand. Before anything, I would like you to ask Me some questions if you have any because it's very important that you should ask Me questions because later on when we have this session of Realization, I would say that people, the mind starts saying that, 'Oh you should have asked this, you should have asked this.' So it's better clear out your minds first of all. If you have any questions, please ask. And I'd be very happy to answer them because as I told you this is for your freedom. Man: ...God and Spirit.. Is God reflected within us? How can man be one with God? Shri Mataji: Just a minute, just a minute, just a minute. Ah Gregoire! Somebody has to come here. [SHRI MATAJI DRINKS SOME WATER]. What is it? Just. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. God and Spirit [SPEAKS IN HINDI AND SMILES]. Is correct. That's correct. Very correct. God Almighty is reflected in your heart as Spirit. But without this connection you cannot feel that Spirit. Because I have not talked about the Spirit that's why you must be thinking, but at the very outset, I said "You have to be the Spirit, first thing." And, secondly I have also said that you have to feel this all-pervading Power. So, this connection when it is established, then only you start feeling your Spirit. And, the Spirit manifests through you. Is correct, what you said is absolutely correct. God is within you. Man: So how do we go about experiencing this? Shri Mataji: That's what we are going to do, but if that is the point then I'm very happy, because you are a real seeker, I must say. Lady: Is Sahaja Yoga related to Kriya Yoga? Shri Mataji: Not at all. It's just the opposite of it. Lady: If you're not ready to awaken the Kundalini, it can become dangerous. Shri Mataji: Ah, you see, both the questions is it's Akriya Yoga. It is spontaneous. There's no kriya. This is the great mistake these people believed that we have to do something about it. It has ruined so many people first time when I came, I must tell you. I met some of the doctors from Bombay who had cut their tongue, this, what you can call the thread under their tongue, and they were wagging their tongues just like dogs, they couldn't speak, they were doing this so-called Kriya Yoga. And I couldn't understand, they couldn't talk, so they wrote it down, that in this one, why we have cut it, to do the khechari. Now khechari is a thing that means that when the Kundalini rises you see She, the system starts working. Like your car is ignited you start your car, the whole system starts working automatically, you don't have to do anything about it. So the system starts and the center starts opening, so one center will open out supposing and then when the Kundalini passes through it augments, it sort of constricts itself so that it can stop the Kundalini from falling down. Now, this is called as bhand, but when it goes to this center, also what happens that when it rises above this center then the tongue is little bit pulled inside, but you will not feel anything at all. It's all happening inside, like your car how smooth it is as your modern cars are extremely smooth, your modern Kundalini is also very smooth, doesn't trouble you at all [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] it's like a jet it rises, really it's very surprising. Now, so, this is what happens to you when the Kundalini rises, but when you have not started the awakening, imagine if you have not started the car and you are moving the wheels or you are moving the steering then you're going to spoil it completely. It's a spontaneous thing, it's a living process, it is not that you can do much about it, it's a living process. So this is the Kriya Yoga is against, against reality. Lady: Is it dangerous to awaken? Shri Mataji: Ha, now it's not at all dangerous, how can it be? It's your Mother, it's your Mother. When you were born your mother took all the care that you are not hurt, she took all the pains upon herself, she suffered. So, the same way the Kundalini is your Mother, your individual Mother. And She has recorded everything about you. Like a tape recorder you can say [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] She is coiled up and She knows everything about you and She's so smoothly rises, you'll be surprised how smoothly it does, of course sometimes you do get little heat because there's heat in the body and your this thing opens out, the heat comes out but it doesn't matter, it's nothing, nothing dangerous, nothing dangerous at all. But those people talk of danger have no authority to do it. Supposing somebody wants you to put your hands in the plugs and you say that electricity is dangerous means this fellow doesn't know anything he's a rustic fellow has never seen electricity. They have no authority. That's why they are talking like this and deviating people from getting their Realization. But, it is a very modern thing, you'll be surprised this is only last fifty years people have been talking like that. Some Germans went to India they must have met some horrible people there and they have written all these things. Then others started writing, others started doing this.. But in the olden books you read about this one Markandeya they say he lived in the year fourteen thousand years back then there were so many like you can say Shankaracharya was there, Gyanadeva was there, Nanaka was there, Kabira, nobody said so. Only this is a modern idea to frighten people that they shouldn't get their Realization. It's just a modern idea. Man: [Asks a question about Satya Sai Baba - Inaudible] Shri Mataji: Satya Sai Baba... Now listen now. Satya Sai Baba is trying to give diamonds. And, deviate you from reality. What is there in a diamond? For God it's not even the dust of His feet, you see. And only people who go to Satya Sai Baba have suffered. I have seen so many of them suffering from heart suffering from this, suffering from that. Can't you see it yourself? Written large on his face. You can see it. If you are an Indian I'll tell you who he is, he is Maheshasura born again. Looks like a mahesha [SHRI MATAJI SPEAKS IN HINDI]. How can you believe and Indians you know they think they'll get diamonds.. nobody get diamonds. Only the politicians who can give him money. He gives diamonds to people who are very rich people. And his disciples are so crooked, so corrupt. How can it be? If you have any guru how can you be corrupt? What you're asking for, you're asking for your Self Realization. That's what you're asking. Keep on to this thing. We want our Self Realization. We want to have a higher awareness. And what is the higher awareness? Is collective consciousness. Which is described by Jung. Collective consciousness is the consciousness by which you can feel others on your fingertips and you can feel yourself within. This is what you have to expect. Even the Islam said the same thing. But, you see Islam people are not paying attention to it. Nor Christians are paying attention to it, nor Hindus are paying attention, imagine a person like Satya Sai Baba should become worshippable I can't understand. Which saint or which great incarnation has done such things. Nobody. Lady: How do You feel about asking for money for spirituality? Shri Mataji: Is correct, you see that's a very correct question you asked Me, that how do I travel because most of time My husband pays but now these people are feeling ashamed of themselves that how he should pay for your salvation so they pay to the airfare not to Me, all right? To the [SHRI MATAJI CHUCKLES] what you call the travel agents, not to Me, for this hall they have collected little money and they are paying for it. But, you would not like Me to pay for your food, for your chairs, for everything. That's not expected. See if I have to travel they should pay, it's in all self-esteem and in self-respect, but I did it for years together first when I came to America I came on My own, My husband paid for everything. Luckily he has money so and he thinks this is a good work so he pays for quite a lot of things, but that's a different thing, that's very different, that's very little that they have to pay, that's different and it's all our accounts are known. I don't know what they do, how they collect money, where they spend it, I don't see, I'm very bad at accounts [SHRI MATAJI CHUCKLES] I just don't understand, but what I'm saying that sometimes if they want to pay for My travel it's correct, because I think they must have self-respect, My husband shouldn't pay for My travel, for this hall, for their food, for everything, is it proper? It's not proper. So, if you go to one extreme that you give thousand of pounds to somebody, because he gives you a funny mantra, and here people ask Me who pays for the hall, I mean they must pay, don't you think so, in self-respect you all must pay. Man: Is there a relationship between Kundalini and sexuality? Shri Mataji: Not at all. Not at all. Zero. See now here I'll show you, it's a very good question, because I must clear this out, you see the Kundalini, Kundalini is above the seventh chakra. And the seventh chakra is the one that looks after all our excretion what you call in the medical terminology the pelvic plexus which looks after the sex also. Now this is below the Kundalini. It's not above the Kundalini, it pierces through only six center, the seventh center is the center of innocence and that's why the center is placed there because the innocence is like a lotus above the pond of excretion and this center just stops it's all excretory functions at the time when the Kundalini rises. And a person becomes innocent that's why Christ has said that you have to be like small children to enter into the kingdom of God. You see and this is a very wrong idea taken from Freud and I think Freud is the one who has ruined you people completely, [AUDIENCE LAUGHS] absolutely he's responsible for AIDS, he's responsible for all kinds of nonsensical people have done and even in Austria when I said he was absolutely a half baked fellow they all clapped with happiness [AUDIENCE GIGGLES]. But let Me finish this question little bit madam, I'll tell you that doesn't mean that you have to become ascetics or you should not marry, you have to marry, you have to have good families, you have to lead a very sane married life, and that's what it is Sahaja Yoga has got beautiful families with beautiful children and I'm happy I was told that since I've been here people have been taking to family life and understanding the beauty of family life I'm very happy about you. Yes, now madam? Lady: Am I correct that what you're saying is that God and man are one and you are just trying to reconnect us with God, and for that one cannot pay, or be nonsensical, they just have to have a clear and open mind.. Shri Mataji: Yeah, that's it. That's it. Lady: That's all? Shri Mataji: That's it's. She's understood Me very well I must say. That's it. That's it. Just what you need an open mind and another thing you need a little bit because I think we save time to waste it so we have to save time little bit to pay attention to our ascent. Little bit, not much, little bit time we must give and we must develop ourselves, first just the sprouting of the seed takes place then we have to fix it up properly and that takes hardly a month and you can become all of you can become great gurus. He's a big guru but look at his dress and all that you can't believe [SHRI MATAJI AND PEOPLE LAUGH WHILE SHRI MATAJI DRINKS A GLASS OF WATER]. He knows everything about Kundalini, but you can't make it out from him you see we are normal people, very normal. Man: How can we practice this system? Shri Mataji: Yes. Now there are no exercises madam nothing it just spontaneously happens to you and you get it there. Little bit of course I'll tell you how to raise it again and again today only but then we have to a very nice center here and we have very good Sahaj Yogis and you're welcome to come there and they will teach you each and everything I don't know when, they are having follow-on? Yogini: Saturday Shri Mataji: Where? You come here and tell them exactly. We have that is it? [LOOKS LIKE SHRI MATAJI IS REFERRING TO THE MICROPHONE]. Good, good. But you all must take collective interest into it. This is for your progeny, this is for your benevolence. You see it cures people, I will tell you about that what good things it does. Now tell them the thing. Yogi: Tomorrow evening at 7pm we'll have a second program at the Holiday Inn at State Road 7 at Commercial. Shri Mataji will be there from 7-9. Very punctually. Shri Mataji: Actually, I, had... there was only one program, I said no, one program doesn't work out in America, we must have two and so I've cancelled My going and I'll be there for you all and I'll tell you all about it all the details that I will tell you tomorrow, plus I would say that you inform your friends and your relations and those people who want to benefit, now you'll be amazed that your Kundalini awakening itself cures you. I should say that it has cured AIDS also in Australia, here I don't want to put My hand to anything curing because the doctors will be at Me, but you see the Kundalini itself, it's your own power cures you. I don't cure you, you cure by your own powers. I don't know what is the law about it that that if you cure yourself I don't know if you'll be arrested or not but it has cured cancer, it has cured so many psychosomatic troubles, so many of them, that now there are two doctors in India in Delhi University who have got their M.D. And now in Russia, in Moscow they invited eight hundred doctors first the Minister of Health talked to Me directly and they invited eight hundred doctors from all over the world. They came and seriously listened to Me, I talked to them because I know medicine so I talked to them about parasympathic nervous system and all that and they were quite amazed at it, and what they said that now we just want Realization and all of them got it and there were two noble prize winners there. So the amount of good it does, just see, what a power lying behind you and why not to get it? Why not to use it for our benevolence? And then we can't blame God for anything. If we have not got our connections with Him how can we blame Him for that? Man: When the Kundalini rises we are born again, so should one say Halleluiah again it or be quiet? Shri Mataji: What happens? With the Christians? [AUDIENCE LAUGHS]. Man: She is asking what happens when the Kundalini rises? Shri Mataji: You see, you see nothing happens outwardly, you don't dance or you jump that anybody can do, you see, what is so great about it? If anybody starts jumping or dancing or going round and round, it's anybody can do it's just a show what it is really happens when the Kundalini rises you start feeling the cool breeze coming out of your head, first of all, and you feel extremely peaceful and thoughtless, and your hands, you start feeling the cool breeze, after this you start using them and then you realize what you have got. For example, I was traveling once by first time when I came to America it was I came by ship and the captain got his Self Realization and on the ship it was that one of the gentleman had entered into the freezer, freezer room or something like that and he got pneumonia so he was sending an S.O.S. and he wouldn't allow Me to go down, so I said all right you go, now you have got the Realization, you just put your hands on his lungs and ask him to stop his breath for three times and the fellow got all right, he couldn't believe it. He said, "How could it be?" I said now you have become that, believe it, you have become that, it's like a seed becoming a flower but it doesn't believe it has fragrance, it's like that. In the beginning it's impossible for some people to believe that they have become. Now supposing somebody is an ordinary person or a beggar or anything and he comes to know that he's hit the jack pot, he can't believe it. In the same way, people don't believe, see even if he sits on the throne of a king he will still be thinking, 'Oh God, where am I sitting? Is it all right or not?' But when you start using it then you definitely know it is so, not only that but the way you change, the transformation takes place, how quite you become, how peaceful you become, your temper goes away, your irritation goes away and your blood pressures come down, your health improves, so many things happen that you're amazed 'what has happened to me?' Yes, madam? Now. Now there's a lady there putting up her head. Man: I want to know what qualifies someone to be a guru? And, what makes you do the work you do? Shri Mataji: What is she asking I didn't' follow? Yogi: She is asking what makes somebody a guru and why are you doing what you are doing? Shri Mataji: Oh, because I love it. [AUDIENCE GIGGLES] It's so beautiful to see people getting their Realization. You will also do the same once you get it, it's so beautiful. The most beautiful thing is to give Realization to someone and so joyous because if you are selfish, if you are low type of a person then you feel funny about yourself, but if you are benevolent you feel so happy about the whole thing, you enjoy your benevolence, you enjoy your virtues. Just start enjoying and that's only possible after Realization, then you just do it, I know why am I doing it, what should I do otherwise? I mean what I'm saying that supposing somebody else can do this I would like to retire Myself but it's difficult to get someone like that. I'm sorry to say. Can you do it madam for My sake? You can't that's the point. I've been trying for, now I'm sixty-seven years of age. I wish somebody could take My place but doesn't work that way. But in any case when you get your Realization at least try to give Realization to some people and you can do it, not difficult. But not at My level, that's the point is, once you come to My level, I'll be very happy to retire. [AUDIENCE LAUGHS] Question: Shri Mataji: Yeah, I'll tell you now what is the problem is, now if you see it clearly [SHRI MATAJI POINTS TO THE CHAKRA CHART] there are three lines you see them, okay? These are the three channels we have of autonomous nervous system. The two channels the one is the left and another is the right and the central one is the parasympathetic nervous system and these two are left and right sympathetic nervous system so before Realization whatever we do we can only go to the left or to the right with our effort, for example, now supposing, you want to increase the rate of your heart, you have to run, if you run rate will increase, but you cannot decrease, automatically it happens through the parasympathetic nervous system, so whatever you try like this any this psychotherapy, this therapy, that therapy, you are putting in your effort, isn't it? But here you get connected with that power which sooths you down, which looks after you, which works it out by itself, and if you really know how to keep your connection all right you don't have to worry. So this is.. you don't have to retain a doctor, you don't have to go to a psychiatrist, nothing of the kind, automatically you are looked after, because now you are connected, but before this you have to put in an effort, this is effortless. Man: What is the qualification of a guru? What should a guru be? Shri Mataji: See, it was asked to Guru Nanaka and he said, "Sahib mili hain so hi sat guru." Meaning: the one who makes you meet the Divine is the only one who is the SatGuru. Who is the Guru. Otherwise all the rest are useless. Then he has categorized them as agurus, kugurus, he has categorized them, but the one who is a SatGuru, the one who is the real Guru is the one who makes you meet God. Makes you meet this Divine power. Man: What is the role of thought in the process of Self Realization? Shri Mataji: I've already told you that when we think, we think of the future and the past, but at this moment is the thing that's reality is, the present is the reality, so what happens because of our special type of a brain that we have a prismatic, every time we react to this, to that, to that and all the time we are reacting and especially in America I find there are so many choices that you go on choosing between one to another to another to another this is maddening, we are all the time thinking, thinking, thinking we cannot stop it, but after Realization you are at peace, if you want you can think, if you don't want you need not think. Like an [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS], I must tell you, a Swiss doctor told Me: "Mother you cut my throat do what you like, but stop this thinking I'm fed up [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS AGAIN]." Yes, madam? Is there a gentleman ... all right, I can't see? Man: What are the ways and means to raise the Kundalini and what are the symptoms? Shri Mataji: The first one is I'll do it now, so you will see it's nothing so special, but the second one is that when you get your Realization first thing that happens to you that you become thoughtlessly aware to begin with when it crosses over Agnya chakra and when it pierces through this one you can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, you can feel the cool breeze around yourself. Now all these fingers are shown there you can see. They denote your centers. Only you have to understand the decoding of it, now supposing you take ten children who are realized souls and you tie their eyes and ask them: "What's the matter with this gentleman?" Immediately they will all raise the same finger, supposing they raise this finger and you ask that person: "Are you suffering from bronchitis?" They'll say: "Yes, how do you know?" So, all these centers are decoded and once they are decoded if you know the decoding, if you know how to decode it, then it's so easy, very easy you find out. So this is the only thing we have to know about the decoding part of it, what is the center we are catching, what is the center others are catching? Now if you know how to correct the centers, you are all right. And the others are all right. It's very simple it's either left side or right side. Only two problems, basically. Man: What method can you use for a lay person? It's very difficult to develop this sensitivity. Shri Mataji: You see but that's what it is in the Kali Yuga, in these modern times only, when we are surrounding by all these things, we get into confusions and illusions and this kind of a subhranth stithi as they call it in Sanskrit language, is very important because in that only we have started seeking. Can you imagine Christ had only twelve disciples, only twelve, so how many were there seekers, and all these great gurus, how many disciples they had who were realized souls, very few. So, today is a special time, is already described, if you are an Indian you'll know from Naladamyanti. The Nala once got hold of this Kali and he said, "I must kill you because you have tortured me, you have separated me from my wife and you are the one who create all this confusion." So he said, "All right you can do it but you must know my importance my mahatmyam." He said, "What is your importance?" He said, "At the time when I'll be ruling" means modern times "at that time those people who are seeking the truth in the valleys and on the Himalayas will find it while they'll be householders and they'll find it." It's already described in Indian if you have read also the Nadigranth is described that this was going to happen, everything in details has been described. If you have read William Blake you will find he has described it, Lewis has described, so many people have described these times and have called it as Aquarius Time because this Kundalini is inside the triangular bone which is the Aquarius, is known as the Aquarius, I mean they are talking about it, but instead of beating the bush you see, we should really get to it. Get to it. Is there anyone else left, oh, there's one. There, please, please. Man: Is Sahaja Yoga your own philosophy, did it exist before you? Shri Mataji: It's an ancient thing, it's described in all the scriptures. It's not today's. Sahaja Yoga is not today's thing. Only the difference between the old Sahaja Yoga and this Sahaja Yoga is this that I've worked out a method in which en masse Realization can be. First thing. Secondly, without cleansing you, without making you work it out I thought of raising the Kundalini somehow. Once the Kundalini breaks through you get a light and in that light you start seeing yourself then you correct yourself, I don't have to tell you. Like supposing now you are holding on to a snake, all right? And it's all darkness if I tell you it's a snake you may say no it's not a snake, it's not a snake at all, it's a rope. What's the use of arguing? The more I argue the more you'll hold on to it till it bites you, so the best thing is to put little light there so you see, so this is the difference only we can say that somehow or other now the Kundalini just rises and gives you a power by which you become your own guru, your own master and you correct yourself. Overnight I've seen people have given up drugs, overnight, thousands, over night people have given up alcoholism, overnight people have been cured, overnight, so it's something tremendous and this tremendous power must be harnessed, must be used which is there lying within you. No amount of answering questions it is going to do, it has to work out. [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] It has nothing to do with the answering of questions or My lectures, it's something which has to work out. All right all the questions are over or is there something lingering? Man: Do we have to change our lifestyle in Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: No, not the lifestyle, you see when you do what is needed for you, what is what is good for you , nobody has to change dresses or anything it's nothing outside, but supposing you see now if I tell somebody now don't wear such tight dresses, nobody would listen, because they will wear varicose veins and this all had happened. Then now they're wearing very, very loose ones. Now in England there was a fashion came up when people were having holey pants with the holes. Imagine, I mean it's such a cold country to have holes in it, I mean, it's stupidity isn't it? But nobody will listen and also these people came with punks and this and that, and if you talk to them they'll say: "What's wrong?" So, best thing is to raise their Kundalini then they themselves understand what's wrong with them. Nothing has to be changed as such outside, but you yourself take to things which are sensible, which are wise, which are good for you, you yourself take to it, I don't have to tell you anything about it. Yogi: Would You like to guide us into meditation now? Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, why not? [THE CROWD STARTS CLAPPING]. They were telling Me a trick for Americans, I must tell you. They said: "First day don't give Realization, then they will come next day." I said, it's not so, after all you are wise people, because you have to develop it that's the point is. Yogi: There was a question.. Shri Mataji: What, what is it, don't fight. [SHRI MATAJI IS REFERRING TO THE LADY ASKING THE QUESTION]. There's no need to fight. Lady: Something very strange.. want an answer. Shri Mataji: What is? Lady: What about vegetarianism? And, if you believe that by eating meat, war can ever be at peace, how can we achieve our spiritual breakthrough? Shri Mataji: All right, you become vegetarian. All right? So it's all right for you to become vegetarian and receive that all right? Any 'ism' is against Sahaj Yoga, any 'ism' is against, 'ism' is a mental idea, it's not the truth, it's not reality, you have to face the reality as it is with your mental projections you do not do not conform to something. First of all find out what is right and what is wrong through your Spirit, in the light of the Spirit you find out and then you decide. It is no use before hand just to decide this is the thing and that is the thing. You see this kind of nonsensical ideas people had so many to such an extent that in India we have Jainism in which they do not even kill the bugs or the mosquitoes or anything and they don't want to go in the W.C.'s but they go onto some hills and the Mayor of Bombay came to ask Me: "What should we do about it?" Because they say that in our religion we cannot even kill these things which are being excreted out, so now we have to save them, imagine, we have to save human beings. Are we going to give Realizations to chickens or what? You have to be sensible enough first of all to ask for your spiritual ascent and then decide, don't decide before hand, it's like the snake story I told you just now. So this is what it is, we have vegetarians in India so what. Have they all gone to God? There are so many who will tell you that they are the cruelest people. we are Marwaris are are all vegetarians, what do you think about them? They have no humanity of any kind, no humanity. We have to be kind to human beings first of all. First of all we have to be kind to our fellow men. She is a vegetarian and how much she shouts, can you imagine? For a vegetarian she is shouting so much what's the use of being vegetarian, you have to be a mild person at least when you are shouting. [AUDIENCE STARTS CLAPPING]. Yogi: There will be a chance to ask Shri Mataji questions..but I'm sorry about it.. I forgot... Shri Mataji: No, no, no it's all right, it's nice because then you see for yourself certain aspects which you have not dealt with because you see certain ideas we have got within ourselves, everything we have thought about reality, about God, about vegetarianism or this or that and every sort of a thing, some people think if you leave your houses and you become ascetic, some people think if you wear a kind of a dress and all that, But first of all I say you get your Realization, you have the light and then decide for yourself, it's your decision, your understanding, your growth, you have to open your eyes to it, unless and until you have opened your eyes how can you accept any theory? Then every theory, everybody thinks you see if you have to ask the Jews about the Christians they'll tell you they are the worst of all, the Jews are the only chosen ones if you ask the Christians they'll tell you they are the only chosen ones, if you ask the Muslims, they are the only chosen ones, but I feel all of them are going towards hell. [AUDIENCE LAUGHS]. Because the way they are fighting [SHRI MATAJI LAUGHS] the way they are quarrelling, the way they are killing, how can they be people who are religious in the name of God, in the name of religion, can you imagine. That's no religion at all which fights because they've not jumped onto the new awareness of collective consciousness where you know that we are part and parcel of the whole you know it, it's not the knowledge by your brain, but in your being you can feel that you are part and parcel of the whole. Unless and until that happens you'll go on fighting on somethings, thinking yourself to be the best and here they're all moving towards what? The complete exodus that side and also if, I don't know if there is so much space in hell for them or not. They might have to hang in the limbo. [SHRI MATAJI AND AUDIENCE LAUGHS] Yes, yes. Man: You mentioned about a hell and heaven. Is there hell and heaven? Shri Mataji: Of course, of course, there is, I must say, yeah, of course but forget about it, just now I'm talking about the heavens so forget about the hell part. All right. Lady: Do you believe in reincarnation, because you say that some people in India won't even kills bugs because they believe it's reincarnation? Shri Mataji: What is she [AS..del]? Yogi: Do you believe in reincarnation? Shri Mataji: I? You see actually to be very frank you know I've become very clever. You see Christ talked, said, that He was the Son of God and I tell you He was, but you crucified Him, so I'm very clever. I'll not talk about Myself. First you have your Self Realization because I don't want to get crucified by any chance so you all first get your Realization and understand Me that is the best way. Yogi: All right, I'm sorry.. I feel that a lot of your questions will get answered after your SelRealization, if you have any other questions please write them and you can give them to Patrick who is the coordinator of Sahaja Yoga in Florida and tomorrow Shri Mataji can answer them. And perhaps now the question part is finished and maybe Shri Mataji now can grant us the meditation. This is very great news. [AUDIENCE CLAPS] Shri Mataji: Of course for this question I have to say just this much that if I'm doing this I must be something, isn't it? Otherwise, how can I do it? So there must be something about it, but it is better you find out yourself, it's better you find out yourself about it, because whatever you want to find out if you just get your Realization you have to just put your hands like this and ask a question, say you ask a question: "Is there God?" Immediately you start getting the vibrations and you ask about some horrible fellow: "Is he good?" You'll get heat, burning sometimes even blisters. This Satya Sai Baba you get blisters sometimes. They don't talk against each other, all of them are see as Christ has said: "The house of Satan will not speak against itself." It's like that. All right so let us now have Realization. It's done, Gregiore? It's all right, so the questionnaire is over. Let's see. I'm very happy you people are so anxious to get your Realization and that you will definitely work it out further. [SHRI MATAJI GIVES REALIZATION] We have to remember that there are two conditions for Realization. The first condition is that, you have to know that you are a human being and you are not Gods and if you have done any mistakes there's no need to be guilty about it. So you don't have to be guilty at all for anything whatsoever, because if you feel guilty this center catches here [SHRI MATAJI PUTS HER HAND ON HER LEFT VISHUDDHI] it's a very bad thing. It catches here by this center you get diseases like angina also you might get a disease like spondylitis, so many diseases you get, so please for [SHORT PAUSE] your sake you have to say that "I am not guilty at all," believe Me you are not guilty, it's your only mental conception, you'll find out that you are not guilty, very soon you'll find out, you're not guilty for whatever you have done, after all this Divine Power is the ocean of forgiveness. And what little mistakes you commit [SHORT PAUSE] it can dissolve it so please first of all this is a very big condition that "I'm not guilty at all." You see the English language is such that every minute you go on saying: "Sorry, sorry, sorry." And that's how you build up your guilt, there's nothing to be guilty about. This is a very crucial thing that you should all say: "I'm not guilty at all" within yourself. This is one condition. I assure you you are not, so you have to believe Me there. The second point is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. Not remembering everyone in particular, "I must forgive that, I must forgive that." In general you have to forgive everyone. Now you might say that it's difficult to forgive, I mean, might say, so many people say so, but whether you forgive or you don't forgive logically what do you do? You don't do anything. On the contrary you play into the hands of wrong people who want to torture you, who want to trouble you. Who have been anxious to make you miserable, they are very happy, while you are suffering here by not forgiving, so why play into their hands. So please forgive everyone, you have to forgive everyone, this is very important also because if you don't forgive then this center which is [SHRI MATAJI MAKES A CROSS SHAPE WITH HER HANDS SHOWING HOW THE AGYNA CHAKRA IS CONSTRICTED] in the optic chiasma is a very constricted one, doesn't open and it's a very difficult thing for Me to raise your Kundalini, so please forgive everyone. At the very outset, I've told you these are the two conditions we have, first of all we must know we are human beings, and we are going to enter into the Kingdom of God, we should be very pleasantly placed towards ourselves, and we should know, we should have our self-esteem, we have to have it, this is your right to have it, this is what Sahaj Yoga is, the right to enter into the Kingdom of God, you all have it, and you must have it, so have all self-confidence within you that you all are going to get it. There should be no diffidence, there should be no problem about it, "I've done this, I've done that," even I've told you that they were drug addicts, alcoholics people, all of them got Realization over night. So, you have done no mistakes, nothing of the kind and just know that you have to be the Spirit, which you are, that's the truth about. So these are the two conditions you have to fulfill and secondly, we'll have to take out our shoes, because this Mother Earth helps us, She takes lot of our problems upon Herself, so we'll have to take out our shoes, you can have your socks if you have. And, put both the feet away from each other because as I told you there are two powers left and right side. So both of them have to be apart from each other. [SPEAKS IN HINDI] Now he will show you [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. He will show you, because, of course, there is nothing to do done. But we have to nourish our centers, very simple things these are which you can use later on I told you that you can use this later on also, and, the left hand suggests the power of desire, and the Kundalini is the power of pure desire. The pure desire whether you know or not is that to be one with the Divine Power to be the Spirit is our pure desire. But, our desire power is represented on the left hand side and our power of action is represented on our right hand, which I will explain to you tomorrow in all details, but today just if you listen to Me, put your left hand on your lap just like this, just like this, sit very comfortably but you need not, I mean you should not be too much bending or pushing back, but ordinarily as we sit straight you should sit down like that. Put your left hand towards Me, and the right hand on your heart. Because with the right hand we will be working only on the left hand side. And the left hand will be all the time on our lap suggesting that you want your Self Realization. Now, this right hand is on the heart because in the heart resides the Spirit, so first, most important thing is that we have to nourish our Spirit. So, the second thing is we put our hand on the left hand side of our stomach of our abdomen on the left hand side in the upper portion and press it hard, now this is the center of our mastery, what we call that all the gurus, all the great prophets have made this one for us, we have to enlighten this center which we call is the center of our mastery [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Now, you have to take down your right hand, now in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side, now this is the center of pure knowledge, now the pure knowledge is the knowledge that you get on your central nervous system, which manifests on your central nervous system, so this is a very important center also that your being should get this pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system so you become empowered to raise the Kundalini of others, to give Realizations to others and to know yourself what's wrong with you and to know about others and to be able to correct all these mistakes. Now you have to again raise your hand in the upper part of your abdomen on the left hand side. Then you have to raise your right hand again on your heart, now here is again as you know is your Spirit. But now your have to raise your hand in the corner of your left corner of your shoulder and your neck and turn your head to your right, take back your hand as much as you can, this is the center as I told you catches very much when you feel guilty and today I find it's catching very much here in the congregation, so now please, please, please, don't feel guilty, this is the center is very important, put your head to your right, absolutely at right angle Then now you have to put your right hand on top of your forehead across and put down your head on top and press it hard. [LONG PAUSE] This is the center for forgiving others, now you take back this right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as much as possible, now this is for your satisfaction, not for counting your mistakes or anything, but for your satisfaction, you have to ask for forgiveness from this Divine Power. Now you have to stretch your hand, fully, and put the center of your palm exactly on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood, exactly there as you call this talavyum or taloo. Put it there now, now put down your head as much as you can, push back your fingers, push back your fingers as much as you can, now you press it, press your scalp nicely and move your scalp slowly, clockwise seven times. Scalp, not the hand so much as the scalp, be careful in moving, put down your head please, put down your head. [LONG PAUSE] Now that's all we have to do, but now we have to close our eyes, you can take out your spectacles, we have to close our eyes, and now put both the feet on the ground little separate from each other. Now, we start the process, put the left hand towards Me on your lap. Please close your eyes, don't open your eyes till I tell you, please don't open your eyes till I tell you, now raise your right hand on the heart. And, as you know here resides the Spirit, you have to ask Me a very important fundamental question three times, you may call Me Shri Mataji or you can call Me Mother, whatever you like. "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask this question three times, in your heart, not loudly, ask all the questions in your heart, "Mother am I the Spirit?" If you are the Spirit you become your master, so now please take down your hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard with your fingers, and now here ask a question again three times: "Mother, am I my own master?" [LONG PAUSE] Now take down your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, on the left hand side, this is the center of pure knowledge, and I respect your freedom I cannot force this pure knowledge on you, you have to ask for it. So, please ask six times because this center has got six petals. Please ask six times, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." [LONG PAUSE] As soon as you start asking for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts moving upward. And at this time, we have to help Her by nourishing our centers, higher centers. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Now, you have to nourish it with self-confidence, so here with full self-confidence you have to say: "Mother, I am my own master." This is a wonderful thing to say because by this if you have been to wrong masters, it absolutely cures so please say ten times, "Mother I am my own master." [LONG PAUSE] The Divine Power is the power of all the knowledge and all the source of all the intelligence and of joy. It is also the source of all the benevolence, compassion, and the blessings, but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness so as I told you what mistakes can you commit which cannot be dissolved by the power of this forgiveness, so now, first of all you have to forgive yourself, that's very important because of this chakra catching in you it's very difficult to raise the Kundalini, now you put your right hand on your heart and here you have to say with full confidence in your self, twelve times, twelve times, "Mother I am the Spirit." Please say it twelve times. [LONG PAUSE] Again and again I have to say that please don't feel guilty you have to be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, because you don't know yourself, because of ignorance you feel guilty please remember that if you feel guilty it is a sin against yourself, please forgive yourself, there's nothing to be guilty about. Now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your head, and turn your head to your right, now here with full confidence you have to say sixteen times, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all," please say it sixteen times, "Mother I am not guilty at all." [LONG PAUSE] I have already told you that you have to forgive others in general not in particular. This is very, very important, that you have to forgive and if you don't forgive you play into wrong hands, you create problems, you have headaches, not only that but the Kundalini doesn't move, so please forgive everyone. Now put your hand on top your forehead across and bend your head as much as possible and now here you have to say with full confidence, "Mother, I forgive everyone," now don't think about the people whom you have to forgive, "Mother, I forgive everyone," not how many times, but from your heart you have to say, please say it from your heart, "Mother, I forgive everyone," it's very important. Unless and until you say it from your heart, it won't work out. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible, now here again without feeling guilty, without condemning yourself, without thinking what mistakes you have committed for your own satisfaction you have to say from your heart, not how many times, "Oh Divine Power, please forgive, forgive me if I have said or done something knowingly, or unknowingly. Oh, Divine Power, please forgive me if I have done anything knowingly or unknowingly that was wrong, please forgive me." [LONG PAUSE] Now stretch your palm fully, put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area and press it down. Press down, bend your head properly, push back your fingers, unless and until you push back your fingers you cannot press it, here again, I cannot cross over your freedom, you have to ask for Self Realization in your own freedom and your own glory, so please say seven times, " Mother, please give me Self Realization," and move your hand with the fingers pushed back, with a big pressure on your scalp, move your scalp seven times, saying, "Mother please give me my Self Realization," bend your head please, bend your head then you can do it better, this is a very important thing that you have to ask for it. [SHRI MATAJI BLOWS SEVEN TIMES IN THE MICROPHONE]. Don't put your hand very ... on top of the head but close to it, just see. Now see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head, if it is not coming out please forgive even if it is hot please forgive it should become cool, just forgive everyone, that's the biggest solution, the biggest weapon. Now don't put it very close, you have to keep it little, bend your head, then you can do it better. Please bend your head and see for yourself, see, just see for yourself. Bend your head and keep away from your head, not just on top then you cannot feel it, now, yeah, now please raise your both the hands, towards the sky and push back you head, and ask a question, "Mother is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?" "Mother, is this the all-pervading Power of God, Mother is this the Paramachaitanya?" Ask anyone of these questions three times, in your heart. Now take down your hands please. Now those who have felt the cool breeze or heat out of their head or on their fingertips or in their hands, please raise both your hands, higher. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. May God bless you, may God bless you! All of you have got it. May God bless you. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Please again raise your hands. [SPEAKS IN HINDI]. Please raise your hands, those who have felt the cool breeze, higher, higher. You didn't feel madam, sure, you did, yes, yes, it's there, all right, so may God bless you. All of you have felt practically, one or two haven't felt, doesn't matter, so may God bless you all. Tomorrow I am going to come here and we are going to fix it for nicely, then also you must call your friends everyone, you'll feel very nice, now you'll sleep well and enjoy.

6/4/1990

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Swadishthana chakra and what happens when you think too much?

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1990-06-04 Public Program 2 in Miami [Introduction by Gregoire - Shri Mataji is an incarnation] Gregoire: So, Shri Mataji, I don’t quite know what I did today, or this evening. And I don’t quite know whether they know what I did, but basically, I asked them to put their hands toward your picture and to ask, and we all asked aloud three times: Shri Mataji is this the wind of the Holy Spirit? And then, most of them, I just asked those who feel the vibration, or those who feel the wind, please raise your hands. Some people are here for the first time. But most of the people who are here raised their hand and felt the vibration. Then I talked a little bit because I didn’t want them to become too scared or serious. Then I asked another question, or I asked them to ask another question. I asked them Shri Mataji are you manifesting the Holy Spirit? And then we asked this question three times. And, again, most of them felt the vibration. And a gentleman told me that he felt a cold wind. And then I did something that probably I shouldn’t have done, but, I told them that, the following thing, I told them that it’s very difficult to recognize a living incarnation, or someone who is divine in the present. It’s easy to do it once they are gone and dead. So, incarnations were never recognized. But, now we have a new instrument of perception. We have a new way of knowing. And this is the wind of the Holy Ghost. And on the basis of this, I submit to you that Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. But you don’t need to believe it. Because, this is not a religion of belief, it’s a religion of experience. Now I saw a lot of puzzled faces. But I felt that it was due to them as honest seekers. What I believe and what I have experienced to be true on the basis of fifteen years of exposure to the awesome miracles that you have been manifesting in the five continents. So, Shri Mataji, I please ask you to forgive me for this because one never feels quite entitled to say the things of the kind. One never feels a worthy carrier for this kind of statement. On the other hand, perhaps the time has come for people to face what is happening. And I hope that I have not totally embarrassed you. And if I have done anything wrong, I please ask you to forgive me. Thank you Shri Mataji. [Transcription of audio"Shri Mataji - I am what I am!, Agnya, Christ, Paul, Swadishthana, Joy"] I bow to all the seekers of truth. Whatever God has done, He must have thought that it should not be delayed anymore. But, I would request you not to believe anything like that blindfolded. You must experience it. You must find out for yourself. Because truth, if it is not accepted at a particular level, it might challenge your ego. It might not be so much easy to perceive also. Yesterday the question was asked and that might be the reason he had to say it out. And many a times people ask such questions. Now in the modern times, it is predicted already, in various Indian scriptures, and abroad, especially by a great man called Bhrigumuni, who lived, I think, about fourteen thousand years back, who is the originator of all the signs of astrology. He has written a book called Nadi Granth. And in that it is described, everything. About the modern times as well as about me, my birthdate, and everything. But, you will be surprised, I never told them this. Never. I think the first news came from a big saint in India, who said about it. Who had never met me before. And also, then a lady who got very badly possessed. Started talking like a learned Brahmin, in Sanskrit language, she was an ordinary woman, and she started telling about me. Of course, I was quite embarrassed, I didn’t know what to do. But it is not important what I am, because whatever I am, that I am. There is nothing great about it. But it is great that you people become something higher. That you achieve something. Me having something is just innate within me. As we have our eyes and our nose, we are not proud of it. In the same way, what you achieve in this life is the most important thing. Because so far, realization has been an individual happening. An individual gets realization. And nobody believed, that is why the saints had to suffer everywhere. In India they had to suffer, everywhere. Even a person like William Blake, who was a great soul, no doubt, in America, in England, he too had to suffer. People called him a madman, you see? They never thought he was normal. As you know Kahlil Gibran, another person, every one of them, even in China, everywhere the saints had to suffer because they were alone. Nobody to support them as such or to say that, yes, this is the truth. Also they lived for a very short time, like Christ was given only four years to talk about himself. And four years is no time, actually, you will be surprised that I was in London. I was working out seven hippies for four years. They are all very well educated, Oxford and Cambridge University, professors and all that. But nothing could work out. For seven years I was not sure that they have settled down. But at least it took four years for me to give them realization. So, you can imagine how difficult it is to start the foundation of…, and, but, there is one thing about the English, I must say, they are serious people. And if they find the truth, I mean, all these seven people are today the foundation stones of Sahaja Yoga, I should say, in the West. They went all out to find out about kundalini, it’s’ working, everything. But the other way around is Russia. I don’t know what books they have read, or how, they just recognize me, all of them, one and all. Everybody knows me in Russia. You will see, you will be amazed at the miracle that I went there and they give you a visa, separate paper, but my visa was handled by so many people that when I went there, I found that the paper was missing. There was no visa for me. So, at the entrance, because I have a diplomatic passport, he looked at me and he just smiled. I said I have no visa I am sorry. He just smiled at me and I don’t know what he did with the computer and he made a visa for me there. That is not possible in any country even in India. It is not possible. But it happened. And it was, he did it on my passport so that I should not lose it. Such things happen, then you start wondering why some people are so sensitive. Like in Italy also in Italy, I would say. Italy it has been very different. But, you see when you should not claim anything there is no need to claim. Of course, when God feels like telling you because he must have felt that he must tell now the Americans they are drifting out. There is nothing to be claimed, you see yourself will find out. Your self would have found out but he thinks that it should not be in his case it was quite delayed so he doesn’t want you to be delayed like that. And he wanted to sort of must have been so it is alright whatever it is now the cat is out of the bag as they say now. So now we have to know about ourselves. That is the best way. What is the use of knowing about me. First better know about ourselves, what we are inside ourselves. Did you talk to them about this or not? Gregoire: Yes, Shri Mataji, I did Shri Mataji: What did you say? Gregoire: I exposed, very briefly that the seven chakras respond to seven qualities within us and when the kundalini enlightens those chakras those qualities start manifesting. But, I didn’t elaborate very much on it. Shri Mataji: Alright. Now as you see there are also three channels. As you know that, doctors talk about autonomous nervous system. But if you ask them, what is auto, they cannot tell you what is auto. It is a name given, if you say automobile it means there is a driver sitting there, isn’t it? It does not move by itself. Now this autonomous nervous system is represented here. Here now by three channels. First the left side sympathetic and the right side sympathetic and the central one is the parasympathetic. As I told you yesterday whenever we put in any effort we can move only to the left or to the right. That is on the sympathetic. But we have no control over parasympathetic until you get your realization. That means if you want to run fast, you can increase the beat of your heart, but, automatically it comes down to normal. And that happening is done through parasympathetic. So far doctors believe in to it, that that is so, they know that. But these centres which are within us are on the inside the spinal cord and cannot be seen with your naked eyes but they manifest outside as plexuses on the physical side. So the plexuses work out our physical side but we also have a mental side. So the left side is the side which we can say is for our emotions, is for our past, is for our conditionings. The right side is for our action, is for our future. And the central path is for our ascent. All these centres that he has talked to you about have been developed within us during our evolutionary process, step by step. So, Christ came on this centre, it is the Agnya chakra, as we say he is the gate, we have to pass through him. The Christians may shout do anything but they don’t know anything about Christ. Now this centre is between the optic chiasma where the kundalini has to pass through. That is why I was saying you must forgive because it is his command. As you know, in his Lord’s Prayer, he has asked to forgive everyone. So it passes through that optic chiasma and if you see…can somebody come and show? Both the sides we have ego and superego. Now the ego is when we do some action and we think we have done this. The fumes of that feeling go and form our ego like this. And they cross over. And when we are conditioned, then the fumes of conditionings also pass over and go to the right side so they cross over. This crossing point is very important. On this crossing point is placed the deity of Christ. So his message is of resurrection. 12:04 That when you pass through this centre and when Christ is awakened these two institutions are sucked in. That is why we say he died for our sins. He died for our sins. He suffered for our sins. Because once he is awakened these two institutions are sucked in. And this area, fontanelle bone area, opens out, they cover first of all the limbic area, which opens out like this, and then the kundalini penetrates them. When he has suffered for us once and for all why should the Christians suffer? But this is the theory they use, you must suffer. Actually, Christians don’t suffer if I have seen that. What they make others suffer only. The way the Christianity spread in these countries you know. Even in India they came with a gun in their hands, you know. They killed so many people and tortured them, and people had to be converted. So, the idea of forgiveness is not there at all with them, nor do they understand one thing that his message is not the cross. His message is his resurrection. If you go to the Sistine Chapel of the Vatican, I must say Michelangelo has seen his form because he puts up a huge big Christ. A huge big VitaLambodara with a big stomach like that. Standing there throwing people this side and that side very strong. 14:00 And down on the table I don’t know who has put there, a very miserable creature called Christ just bones hanging there. I think this must be sadist. To think like that Christ was just bones. Do you think any one of these people who claim to be Christians can carry that cross? I mean they have no feelings about it. If you see that you start crying. Why are they showing Christ like that? So, when this chakra opens out, we have to know that all of our karmas about which Krishna has talked, Brahma has talked are sucked. He sucks the karmas. Of course, we have those deities also within yourself at different points of our evolution no doubt. Christ has said, that those who are not against me are with me. Now who are those? He said it very clearly. Now you gave him only four years the poor thing to talk about anything. How can he talk of things which are so important and subtle? That might be the reason that God must have hurried you up. He doesn’t tell you lies I must tell you that. I have to confess it is so. Now when he has, still despite everything, you must say, Christianity has written lots of truths about Christ somehow. Though Mr. Paul, who came in after, I don’t know how he is there. He is the one who ruined Christianity completely. Because he was not, he never met Christ. 15:57 He was epileptic and he had killed a disciple of Christ called Simon. Such a cruel mind becomes author in the Bible. When I saw first the Bible, I asked my father who is this Paul he said I don’t know he is a stranger. And ah, we call it a squatter. And then he again incarnated as Augustine and changed Christianity completely. And they don’t want to talk about mother at all. The one they talk about is the father and the son, and what about the mother? That is the Holy Ghost. They don’t want to talk about mother. I asked my father I said at least Martin Luther should have talked about the mother, why didn’t he talk? He said that time the problem was from the Muslims and Muslims would have not accepted this theory that it was the mother of Christ who was so important. So, he had to sort of avoid. It was just a time it was so. But I find even today there is a big struggle going on if a woman can have an ordination or not, as if the women are something from the streets or something hopeless, or… We have our mothers as women, our sisters are women, our wives are women, daughters are women. It is such an out of date and primitive idea I tell you. Indians never had this idea, I tell you, you will be surprised. They always call the women as a shakti, the power, and the housewife the most important thing. And this has actually cursed Christians I think because they lack that womanly quality in them of real affection and kindness and joy. 18:05 If you meet a Nun for one day you will be mad for the whole rest of your life. She doesn’t smile, she doesn’t talk sweetly to you, she is so methodical like a machine. How can she represent God? And this is about all of them. Because I told you I have been there and I know that, all of those things very well. So, for us to know, that to follow Christ, is to first of all we have to have our self-realization. We are to be born again, actually, not artificially, taking a certificate. Born again, and what are you doing? Collecting money. There is another organization, oh we are Christians, we this, that, what are we doing? Collecting money. Everybody seems to be in the business. I mean this is something I cannot understand, that everything has become a business in the name of God. And people have become so much tuned with that idea, so much one with that idea that you have to pay, that they cannot understand somebody who says you cannot pay for God. For your living process, they cannot understand. They don’t want to accept such a person. So here there are these centres within. A simple question is why people get sick. Because when these centres go into trouble, into imbalances, people get sick. I’ll just talk to you about one centre. 20:00 Would be better about if I tell you about one centre that is called Swadishthana. That is the centre that comes out of the Nabhi chakra, or the navel centre. And it is responsible for giving us energy when we think, looking after our liver, our pancreas, our spleen, our kidneys, and part of intestine. When we think too much, we use the grey cells of our brain. When we are futuristic, we think too much. What replaces these grey cells is this centre, which transforms the fat into the grey cells and looks after us. So, what happens when you think too much? What happens to you is that your too much thinking takes away most of the energy of this centre which has to look after your liver. So, your liver suffers. When your liver suffers you get a very overactive liver which starts losing its grip in the way the function of the liver is to eliminate the heat of the body which is the poison for us. So, this heat of the body is to be released in the bloodstream. But, because the liver fails, the heat starts moving upward and downward. This is the reason why a disease like asthma is caused. 22:00 Due to the heat, because the lungs, which are sponge-like, they become smaller and smaller with the heat. Now one of the doctors who has got M.D. in India has studied also on asthma. One of the subjects he has handled is asthma. So, asthma is curable, in Sahaja Yoga it is curable because you stop this heat rising. When this heat moves towards the heart, then it also affects the heart, and people get massive heart attacks due to this. So, there are two types of heart attacks. One comes from overactivity and one comes from inactivity where people get heart attacks like angina. But the overactivity one is the one that is caused by the heat of the liver in the body. A person starts thinning down, he doesn’t feel like eating any food, and also sometimes he gets migraine. Early in the morning when he gets up, he feels giddy, feels like vomiting, he cannot stand travelling. All these things are due to this liver, which has been neglected by this centre, Swadishthana. Then, another work of this centre is to look after the pancreas which is responsible for dissolving your sugar for the use of the body. But because that is neglected, you get diabetes. Now in India, in the village, if you go, they take sugar where you have to put the spoon at right angles, otherwise they say it is no tea, it’s no tea. So much sugar they take, they never get any diseases, no diabetes, nothing of the kind. Because they work the whole day, sleep in the night, early in the morning again they go for a walk. 24:00 This is for the people who are sedentary and people who think too much, you get diabetes, especially the planners. Most of the politicians get it, most of the politicians and bureaucrats. They get this disease, diabetes. Then the worst thing is the spleen. Now spleen is the speedometer within us. As you know there is a biorhythm, there is a rhythm, and this spleen keeps the rhythm, with a natural rhythm. But we are the way we are made in these modern times. We lead a very hectic life. In the morning we get up… now the function of the spleen is to produce red blood corpuscles when there is an emergency. So, when we get up in the morning, first we read the newspaper. That is the greatest shocking thing. And they will always put shocking things, they will never put good things there, will they? Because they think there must be, there should be sensation for people because we have become so dull now, that we need real sensations even to wake up in the morning time. So then what happens is that morning shock of the newspaper followed by another shock that we have to go now, hurry up we are late now, do this, do that, hurry up. And then we get into the car without the breakfast, take the breakfast in hand and eating like that. And the poor spleen is working out. Then you come across a big jam, finished. Then you start cursing the jam, and the boss, and everyone. By the time you reach the office the boss is shouting at you. 26:00 So, the whole rhythm of life is so funny. Then the whole day, today she told me there are some stores open until nine o’clock. I mean they must be dead by nine. There is no siesta at all. In the biorhythm you must have a siesta. So in the morning they start at nine, end up at nine, what else, you will have blood pressure, you will have everything. But the worst of all, with this kind of a thing, what you develop is the blood cancer. You are vulnerable then, to the blood cancer, if you are a hectic person. Now of course I must say Sahaja yoga has cured many blood cancer patients. We have authentically proved it. But, unless and until you are realized, unless and until you get your energy passing through that, and nourishing that centre, you cannot get that balance that we need. Then another problem is with this heat you get constipated. Constipation creates all kinds of problems. And such a person also can have the effect on the kidneys and so the kidneys coagulate just like the heart, just like the lungs, and they get kidney trouble. That is also curable. You don’t have to go for dialysis. The other day I was watching one film about dialysis I said oh God if this lady had come to Sahaja yoga she would not have died. It can all be cured. It can be done. But for that, first of all, you must get your realization. You must know yourself what our vibrations are, how to use them. And you all can become expert doctors without even going to the medical colleges. This is only about one centre I have told you. On your fingertips as you see you can feel all the centres. 28:01 And if you know how to cure, then you can cure yourself and cure others also. This is only on the physical level. But also for all psychosomatic diseases where the psyche plays the part, Sahaja yoga is the one because it doesn’t deal with left side right side, it deals with the whole body, with all the chakras. So you start feeling the balance and also so many mad people have been cured with Sahaja yoga. Because that is also nothing, it is too much movement to the left. Now these gurus also ruin you completely because they put spirits on you. And you can never be alright, your health cannot be alright if you go to gurus. First thing as a mother I would say at least you have retained a guru, you have paid him, at least your health should be alright. Minimum of minimum, at least I should see some shine on your face but if you are so dilapidated. And then they say no, no, our guru says you know you have to suffer. Then why do you want to have a guru for that. You can suffer otherwise also. Or they will say our karmas are such. Then why is there a guru? Throw away such a guru, useless fellow, good for nothing. He can’t even look after your health. He doesn’t know anything. He is just giving you mantras, he just says you worship me, I am this, I am that, saying this and that, but what did you get out of that is the point. You must find out what you got out of it. Just going to a guru, going to everyone, touching his feet, why should you do that. I don’t want you to touch my feet at all. 30:00 First of all you become alright. Unless and until you get your realization, I have nothing to do with any of you, you have nothing to do with me. But when you get realization also you must know you got it because your kundalini rose. So there is, there is no obligation at all, no obligation. But it should not be a ego trip, of course, should not be a ego trip. But should be understood. Sahaja yoga is to be understood, to be imbibed. And the whole knowledge should be known to you. You should have the whole knowledge as to how it works, how it moves, and how you can cure people. You should be empowered to raise Kundalini of others. This Gregoire has spoken to you, ask him how many people he has given realization to. You should be able to work it out. Now we have Fernando from Bogota, ask him how many people he has given realization to. We have Bubbit here from Switzerland, we have, you have here one very powerful one, Patrick, how many people he has given realization to? But he says Americans don’t come, what to do? He can’t give realization to stones. It is a big problem. Like sometimes you feel like you are in a desert or a wilderness. What has happened or whatever it is…then another thing is it is not a serious thing, it is joy. Spirit is the source of joy. And joy is not happiness and unhappiness, it is joy. Pure joy. So it is not so serious. 32:00 I mean if you see any of these gurus they sit so serious, and I can’t keep serious for more than two minutes. That also I put up a show. What is there to be serious, it is all a play. All a drama going on. Of course I mean if you see somebody very sick or somebody suffering too much you do feel for that. But then you feel that this person doesn’t want to listen to you, what to do? It is so simple. Then another thing was told to me yesterday, that because it is so simple that is why Americans don’t like it. I said but everything fatal has to be simple. Now supposing for breathing if you had to go to a guru pay him money and then only you could breathe, how many would have survived? It is fatal if you do not get your realization. So important it is. It is the most important thing is to get your realization. And if you don’t get your realization, then I don’t know in what category you will fall. And that is the reason it has to be the simplest of simple. Supposing you have to eat your food, you just put it in your mouth like that or do you go around like that? But if that is the case that you have to go around and round, then it is wrong. But, this is a conditioning that people have given you that you have to go around and around. Some people say oh you still work you know still you have to do a lot, still you have to give some more money, come along. Without money it won’t work out and so you have to go on giving them checks after checks until they start bouncing. This is the situation. 34:00 Now we have to know that anything that is important has to be simple. And the simplest of all, if you understand this, you won’t raise objections to this. But if it is simple, so why not? Again, I would say this way, that supposing I say there is a real diamond lying here. And free, just you have to pick it up. People from Australia will also come running. In the same way we have to understand that we are the spirit, we have to be the spirit. The only thing is we have to go deep into it. Like if you find water in someplace. You go on digging the well there, you don’t go on digging all over the places, isn’t it? So, where you find a little of it, you go move into it, deeper and deeper, and then only the depth grows. And that has to be done, must have patience with yourself. That is all. I have patience. But you should have patience with yourself. And every one of you can get it. Not only you can become masters and next day when I can come you will be all be gurus, I know that. But the gurus become so simple also. So, regarding all these chakras and everything, I think I have covered in a very short way. But, you can get a booklet on this and you can study it. I don’t give many books to read also because book knowledge, we have some Sahaja yogis who are experts in book knowledge, but they don’t feel vibrations so what is the use? So, it is not the book knowledge, it is the knowledge within yourself which is important. Your own growth is important. So, you have to strive for that growth and you must achieve that growth. 36:00 Now any questions? I would like to answer some questions, and then we will do the realization part. Gregoire: We will collect some more questions Shri Mataji, they are written here Shri Mataji: English, yes? Gregoire: Yes. Anyone else have a question written down? Please raise your hand. No other questions, ah… Shri Mataji: Why is a… ? I just can’t read it you know, I am sorry. The spellings are alright but I just can’t read it. What does this say? Yogi: How does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? Shri Mataji: That is it? Oh, no, no. Yogi: With the realization will I accomplish my goals and dreams and desires easier? Shri Mataji: Ah. What did you say this one is? How does… ? Yogi: How does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? Shri Mataji: Ah, this is a nice question, you see, the first one is. with the realization will I accomplish my goals, dreams, and desires easier? Of course you will, no doubt. 38:00 Now whatever we think before realization, we don’t think the same way after realization. Because our awareness becomes different. Our dreams change, our goals change, and also what else? Desires change. Like today supposing somebody wants to build a house, for example. Then he says alright I must have a house in such and such place, and this and that, or something exorbitant, which he can never afford. But then he feels his reality and he thinks what is this of having such a big house? What is the need? But he gets a good house somehow because the divine power works out for him. And which he enjoys without much difficulties. But he doesn’t aim at something funny or something which is just beyond. There was a gentleman who had very great dreams this and that. And he wanted to go to a country and he said I would like to go to that country Mother and it would be a good idea if I could go. So, he got the chance and within ten days he was back. I said why? It was horrible. People are horrible. They don’t talk too properly. They treat you like slaves. I said then why did you want to go there? He said now I realize. So when you face the reality then you change your ideas. 40:00 Because you have no substance, you live in an imaginary world. But when you get the substance, you want to lead a life which is reality. And reality is the most beautiful thing. So the designs also change like you see people have sometimes designs which are just to show off. Like one gentleman bought a kind of a horn and he took it to India. And he said this is a beautiful horn. I said this is horrible. It will trouble everyone, it is a horrible horn, you should not bring. Well, he put it on and he was in jail very soon. Because he was disturbing everyone. So the thing is we do not know what we want is also benevolent for us or benevolent for the society. Because you become a collective being. All the time you think what is good for the benevolence of everyone and my benevolence also. So the priority goes to the benevolence. Like now somebody once said that oh I must go and get drunk, I now must have something to get drunk in a pop supposing he decides. But after realization he sees the people who come out of the pub falling down. He said no not me, I am not going to pay to get this. So the wisdom part is so beautiful. I have told you overnight people have given up drugs. I mean a drug addict wants what? His designs are how to get drugs by hook or crook. But he gives it up completely and he is a free bird. This is one point. How does prosperity relate to the …, how does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? 42:00 Now the prosperity is a idea. It’s an idea. Now for example I will tell you like we will say that Americans are prosperous, alright. Indians are not, in a way. But in a way they are prosperous. For example if you want to buy a good present for a friend you go to an Indian shop you can get a beautiful silver, or a beautiful ivory piece, or a beautifully carved thing which will cost you here a thousand pounds, thousand dollars. While it will cost you only about hundred dollars. [ Transcript of "Continued - Questions and Answers" audio] If you want to buy a good paper to cover it you can’t get it you have to come to America to buy that. So this affluence is plastic affluence. This prosperity is plastic affluence. You see like we have diamonds, we will have pearls, we have emeralds, we have rubies, we have everything. Every household everywhere whether poor or rich will be having at least two to three tola means about thirty grams of gold, every household, and silver, in India, though they are poor. They may be even beggars, still they will have it. It is so cheap there. So, the affluence that we see is an idea. Then you get rid of the one thing and throw it away and bring another thing, throw it away. Because they are worth throwing away. But if you have one good plate of brass, is sufficient, is better than twelve plates of plastic, I mean even hundred plates. So, the affluence is also to be understood in proper sense. What is affluence? Affluence is that which gives you satisfaction. If you have got now today a house, so tomorrow you want to have a car, then day after a helicopter, then an aeroplane, I don’t know how it goes on. That means whatever you desire is not from pure desire. You are jumping from one to another. And whatever you wanted people will kill themselves to achieve some sort of a possession. 2:00 And when they achieve it they will not even take two minutes to forget it and think of another one. They can’t enjoy what they have desired for all these years. So that shows it is not pure desire. The pure desire, the power of pure desire is the kundalini. Once you get your connection with the spirit the whole priorities change. Priorities change and then you know what is good and what is bad. Then you may not have so many junks but you will have something nice with you which will have vibrations. Your idea of beauty, idea of prices will completely change. And it is such a joke that I tell you that if you buy something in Florida for say ten dollars you can get the same for five dollars in San Diego, and for a hundred dollars in New York, so what is the price? I mean such a madness in one country, not only in one country but in two stores. It is a common thing. I mean you all must have experienced it. It is not me. So your priorities change about things. Then you take things which are very beautiful in the sense that they emit vibrations and you live with them happily. But I personally think that all material things are good because you can communicate your love through them. It is nice that you can give nice things to others. That is the greatest joy at least for me. 4:00 The most enjoyable thing is to give something really nice to somebody. To know what one needs and to give that. So many times, when I give something, they say Mother how did you know I needed. I say I just love you; you know. In love you know everything, love is knowledge, and knowledge is love. And the most nourishing and the most joyous thing is to give. And then you understand what is the right thing to do. Selfishness, possessiveness, all these things are headaches. Really, it is a big headache. Say this is my carpet, then it is a headache for me, because I will be worried it is not too short, I hope they have not cut it out, something wrong with it, thank God it is not mine. So, I can enjoy it better. But if I am a realized soul, then how do I enjoy it? I look at it, and the one who has created it, that joy completely flows, giving me joy. It is not important that it should belong to me. It can belong to anyone as long as you can enjoy it. And you will enjoy it better if it doesn’t belong to you. I tell you in a way because then you don’t have to look after it somebody else looks after it and you enjoy it. So, this madness also of accumulation of possessions and all that, makes you mad. So, the best thing is, if you have to have something, you must have them, you must enjoy them as well as keep them until you give it to somebody else. 6:00 But you will be amazed that when you start doing this you will be filled with things, like if you open this door air will not come, but if you open the other door such a blast of air will come. I tell you I suffer from overloading. If you give somebody so little, they give you so much. I mean, I didn’t mean that, but it happens. It just happens. So that by giving you get something that you want, because they know what you want. While you go to a shop you just don’t get it you are so frustrated. I’ll tell you about Gregoire one day we went to a shop in India I wanted, liked a sari, but I thought it was rather expensive. I am a little miserly about myself, but I came away. I don’t know when he went there, he bought the sari. And suddenly he offered to me. Of course, I don’t like to take things from my younger people but you see my heart was filled with such love. Look at him how he thought of it that Mother didn’t buy so let me buy this for her. Of course, I can return that in some other way, always. But see the sweetness, the subtleness of this. I keep that sari very carefully because it has represented that sweetness of a son who just thought I didn’t buy the sari so he went and bought it for me. It is not worth much as such but it is very precious to me because it expresses that love of a son. So, the world is so beautiful the way you make it. And I would say that if you ever come to India, we have about two thousand people there, all of them like you, realized souls. You should see how they live. 8:00 They don’t fight, they don’t quarrel. I have never seen them quarrelling. Just sometimes they pull each other’s legs, that is nice. And sometimes also hit each other, and real enjoyment of friendship, real enjoyment. There is no problem that this woman is running with that man, that man running with that one. No such things, nonsense. It is so pure, such pure relationships. Such love and such enjoyment. And they don’t want to leave the place. We are there about ten days, they say Mother we don’t want to leave it. It is described already by Rabindranath Tagore. The whole description of this is there that people from all races will be coming. We have people for all countries, from all kinds of people, all races, all religions, everyone. We have so many Muslims also. You will be surprised when I went to Russia what really made me feel very happy was that twenty-five Germans came to give realization to Russians. You don’t know how everybody felt. They hugged them, they loved them. And, I mean it was really a sort of a pure understanding that now we are one. We are one. Part and parcel of one. Such a thing should happen. Then Americans go to Russia and just get one with them. They are all like us and you are like them. There is no difference. Before realization all these problems, then you realize we are just the same. Such a world we have to create. 10:00 And Americans have a very, very great responsibility because your country is a very important centre in the universe. Which is this centre here. Which stands for collectivity. This is the centre you represent for collectivity. You are in a way very collective, in a way, but not yet aware of it. You are responsible for all the collectivity of the world. That is the centre you are. And if you people realize then I tell you this world would be a different world all together. Absolutely. It is Americans because they are the trendsetter. But the kinds of trends you have set in before have been horrible. So now let us now start the real trend. And that is what has to work out. I think you all have been realized. You all got your realization the other day. You have all felt the cool breeze. And I have to just tell you that we have a nice centre here. You all can meet all these people here and master it. Absolutely you can master yourself, you become your own master. And you will be amazed at your own improvements. Healthwise I told you that you drop at least ten to twenty years of your age first of all. All your wrinkles, everything, disappear. When I am sixty-seven, I have no wrinkles at all. I mean I never worry. I mean I have a hole here from where all the worries go out. In the same way you also have got now the hole. 12:00 It is as simple as that and it has to work out. I am sure all of you will get it and will establish yourself. I think Florida is a very, very fertile land for that. I have been telling him, the people are much more relaxed and it is a God blessed place. I feel that way. And, I have told him that I will come next time for a…, at least for eight days and work it out in Florida. America, I think Florida and San Francisco are just the opposite of each other. So, I have stopped going to San Francisco. They are not family minded people. They do not have this value system. They don’t have that feeling for their children as you people have. You are very different. But San Diego is very different too. See it is …, I don’t know. But New York horrid, horrid, absolutely horrid. But we have places like here, there, there, where people are coming up, like the fertile land as you can say, Christ has said where the seeds fell down onto the stones then onto the fertile land so I think that Florida will work out and I am with you all the time. Whatever help you will need; I will be there. And, also these people are here. They will tell you all about it. It will all work out now. Any more questions are there? I mean… Gregoire: Now we do the questions Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: What are the questions? Are …? Such a long one, it is a lecture. 14:00 Now you have asked me a question, is good. But that if self-realization is so simple like reading, eating, etcetera, why is it that we cannot … why is very common here, so we cannot simply be realized but we need someone to show us. Why has the process become so obscure? We all breathe, eat instinctively. Why isn’t realization automatic? Now, for your information, that you have come from matter. From matter to living state there was an incarnation. And from the living state to human state there have been incarnations, one after another. Somebody had to lead you. That has been. They had to lead you. In the same way, in realization also, you have to be led. You will be amazed, there are some people who are born realized but they don’t know anything about it. They don’t understand themselves. They have vibrations, they cure people, they get sick, uh …, they get into problems, and they have no idea as to how it works out. Somebody has to tell you what it is. It is like a child if he is born in a jungle, he is to be told. In the same way, you are to be told. Now in America if you come, you have to ask even how to enter into a house because maybe, you see, you don’t know how to open the door. 16:00 In the same way there has to be someone who has to tell you. And if it would have been this way, it would have been very good for me, but it is not. I have to work hard and I have to tell you about these things. It is very simple but this last realization is not only physical, is not only mental, emotional and spiritual means that you have to have the powers to do it. We never had these powers before. Before this, supposing we want to eat, alright we could eat, but we could not make an ant eat like us. We have to make others like us. This is the problem and that is why you need someone to tell you all about it. It is not like just breathing. Breathing, we do breathe, agreed, and everybody can breathe. But supposing there is a stone. You cannot make the stone breathe, can you? This is a living process again, and for the first time you can do living process, first time. You can raise the kundalini like that. That means you see with your own eyes the movement many a times, of the kundalini, many a times, not always, because sometimes it rises like a jet. So, because you have to do the living work somebody has to tell you. So far you have not done any redemption of anyone. A stone is a stone, fish is a fish, animal is an animal. 18:00 But, now you have to make non-realized souls into higher people. That for that you have to know. And one should not feel hurt after all. I tell you I will be very happy if you can do it. I would like to retire myself. But it is not done, you see, that is what the problem is, somebody has to do it. Alright just a second part, so understand the importance of self-realization. It is not only self-realization. You have to give self-realizations to others. It is not only you get self-realization; you have to give it to others. This light has to go to others, for that you have to know how to do it. Local papers have given covers to TM, Ram Dass, and other teachers, how come you have not been covered? Because they must have given them money. Yah, of course. It is all money oriented. Apart from that there are people who are giving money to the newspaper that I should not be published. You will be surprised in the U.N., where my husband has worked for sixteen years now, he has been re-elected, re-elected as the Secretary General by a hundred and thirty-four nations. And they wouldn’t leave him, he had to resign to get out of that place. He is the senior most Secretary General in the U.N. Despite that, to get into U.N., our organization is one of the organizations as they have sixty there, it was impossible because of all these people; TM, Ram Dass, Chin Moi, this that, all sorts of people. They oppose it, but luckily, the good news is now they have to give in. 20:00 It is only in opposition these newspapers have done it to. Better write to them, is a good idea, to local papers. Why don’t you write about Mother? She has done so much good. And why do you write about TM and this Ram Dass, who harm people. Better write to them. Anything is possible. You see they are very much against me. They try to harm their level best but so far, you see, they are harm not me. Because, you see if you try to harm someone you get back very nicely in your neck. So most of these gurus, Rajneesh tried to harm me, and next week he died. So, most of these gurus are finished like that. What is … ?, Yogi: What is the ultimate goal of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: What is the ultimate goal of Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja Yoga has no goal. It’s a technique. It is a method, a natural method that works it out. The ultimate goal is to become the Spirit; for you, not for Sahaja Yoga. But not ultimate, there is further on, but still first of all become the Self. As Buddha has said you first become the Self. Do people reincarnate? Of course, they do. If they reincarnate and if they do is the purpose to become closer to a more aware of… I can’t read it. Yogi: Do people reincarnate? And if they do is the purpose to become closer and more aware of God each time. Shri Mataji: More aware? Yogi: More aware of God each time. There is a second part to the question too. Shri Mataji: Alright. Now he is asking do people reincarnate into. 22:00 They do reincarnate. And this is the trial, error and trial method. Then you want to do, say supposing somebody wants to marry a lady. Hankering after her, I must marry her. So next life he marries and then says oh God, please, never this. To learn the lessons, you see, you have to reincarnate. If and if [inaudible], yes, of course, they become better and better, naturally. Because they learn a lot of lessons, you see, so they become better and better. Do you always progress closer to God in each life or do some people get further out? Of course, some people do get further away and some people get nearer to God. It is up to them. It is easy. You have got the freedom. If you want to go to heaven, you can go to heaven. If you want to go to hell, you can. One hippy asked me how do you go to hell. I said take to running jumps and you are there. A group of people believe in bible or Gita very strictly and lives according to the scriptures. Those people facing man problems and sufferings in their lives than other people. What is the reason for that? Mataji believes in karmas and what is your opinion about that? Now, to say that we follow bible is wrong or to follow Gita is wrong. I already told you about bible, how we don’t do what we are supposed to do. 24:00 But I will tell you about Gita. First and foremost thing, Krishna has said: “yoga-kshema vahaamy aham” first of all you should take to yoga and only then I will look after your kshema. So, he is not responsible then. That is why you suffer, first point. Second point, you seem to read between my lines of Gita you have to be a realized soul. Krishna was an incarnation of divine diplomacy. At that time, it was necessary to be diplomatic. He did not say things straight forward but in such a way that only a realized soul can understand. For example, he first said, first of course, he said that you should take to gyana yoga. That is of knowledge. Of course, that doesn’t mean reading. Many people think reading means knowledge. No, he meant that you should feel it on your central nervous system, your buddha. Then your second, that is the best he said. And then you will; siddha praghya, means a realized soul. Then the second point he said that for bhakti yoga that you do your bhakti that is pushpa polum (?) phala (?); give me flowers or fruits or water anything I will accept. But when it comes to his bhakti he has used one word and all that all the Hindus are dancing. They don’t know. He has said the word ananya. Do the bhakti which is ananya means when you are not the other. That when you have become one with me, that is the bhakti. That is ananya bhakti. Now they know all these words; ananya. But Hindus have slipped that point completely. They think by going Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, you see your throat will be spoiled. Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, this is Krishna’s place. Those who sing Hari Rama, Hari Krishna have gone mad. 26:00 Not only that, not only that they go mad but they get cancer of the throat. Why? Because after all, to take the name of God, what is your right? See when you take the name of Mr. Bush, supposing you go and shout out eh, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, he will put you in the bush. You have to have some protocol. You just can’t go on calling God’s name like this. He is not in your pocket, just you take it out and say that; Rama and Krishna. They are incarnations. You can’t take their names like that. So, what he said that when there is ananya, when you are not the other, when you are a realized soul, then only you should do bhakti, means devotion. Before that, no. And the third thing he has said is: first is the gyana; second is the bhakti; and third is the karma. That is also very interesting. He said you do all the karmas. You do all the action, everything. But put is at the lotus feet of Shri Krishna. That you cannot, because there is still ego. But many people will say yes, yes, I did this, and I put it at the lotus feet of God. You murder someone, put it at the lotus feet of God. You do not. Unless and until you get your realization, you do not. Because then your karmas become akarmas. Means nonaction. You will see when you will be working on people you will say Mother it is going it is coming, it doesn’t work out. Mother, what to do? You will never say I am doing, I am raising, no. You will say it is going, it is working. It is not [? Kavika] You will say like that. That means that you are saying in the third person all the time. Like a little child, you see, if you ask him. I asked a child will now will you go home now? 28:00 No, this woman doesn’t want to go. What to do? So, you get into akarma. Like the sun which shines which doesn’t know it is shining. You do the thing without thinking that you are doing it. It is only possible after self-realization. So, he has hinted at that only what people have not realized. So, they are going Hari Rama, Hari Krishna like mad. I mean by saying that if you can reach God everybody in India says that morning ‘til evening. They must be all nearly there. All absurd ideas. And substantiated by the priests, very nicely, alright, I will give you a mantra, come along, this is the mantra. At least they don’t get, give horrible mantras like TM. But still, they give some sort of a say Rama, why do you need anyone to tell you that you can always say it. But, you should not. Here it is, I have seen people: Christ! They say Christ for everything. I mean they see anything horrible, Christ, and what Jesus also, you say, America? Yogi: Yes. Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ. Jesus. Everything. How can you say that? He is God. You can’t call him like that. Just to say Jesus at everything. Even once you say that vibrations start flowing. Once, just once is sufficient once you are related to him. So, we have to understand the protocol part of it. So, this is what the Gita people read Gita, no use reading anything. Like sick people, they have a very good book. 30:00 Which Nanak sahib worked out very well that he got all the realized souls. He put all their poetry there and he said now this is the book for you. You learn from here. So, they sit down in two and a half days the book should be finished. So, one person reads something, puts his finger, then another one comes from that finger, he reads, puts his finger. They are all reading one after the other, just like Bible reading. For two and a half days they read and end up with nothing. Because what he has said is that why are you running here and there? It resides in your heart, seek it in your heart. Now supposing this is the medicine he has given, that seek it in your heart. Supposing you are having a headache and that is alright, you take headaches for it. You are going to, you take headaches, you take headaches, will your headache go away? You have to take the medicine that they have said it. That is why those who read books just read the prescription but not take the medicine. That is why. That is why these people suffer. Otherwise why should they suffer is Kubera. What is there to suffer? You know how he helps Sudama? But you have to be like Sudama. Alright. Practically the questions are over. I think I better meet you all. Will be a better idea. And see that you all have your Realization intact. I am sorry I am going away so early. Next time I am definitely going to be here for some time. You are already looking younger, this lady. They can come. Yogi: there is a line to come see Shri Mataji Yes, I will just sit there. You can pull the chair up.

1990-06-04 Public Program 2 in Miami [Introduction by Gregoire - Shri Mataji is an incarnation] Gregoire: So, Shri Mataji, I don’t quite know what I did today, or this evening. And I don’t quite know whether they know what I did, but basically, I asked them to put their hands toward your picture and to ask, and we all asked aloud three times: Shri Mataji is this the wind of the Holy Spirit? And then, most of them, I just asked those who feel the vibration, or those who feel the wind, please raise your hands. Some people are here for the first time. But most of the people who are here raised their hand and felt the vibration. Then I talked a little bit because I didn’t want them to become too scared or serious. Then I asked another question, or I asked them to ask another question. I asked them Shri Mataji are you manifesting the Holy Spirit? And then we asked this question three times. And, again, most of them felt the vibration. And a gentleman told me that he felt a cold wind. And then I did something that probably I shouldn’t have done, but, I told them that, the following thing, I told them that it’s very difficult to recognize a living incarnation, or someone who is divine in the present. It’s easy to do it once they are gone and dead. So, incarnations were never recognized. But, now we have a new instrument of perception. We have a new way of knowing. And this is the wind of the Holy Ghost. And on the basis of this, I submit to you that Shri Mataji is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. But you don’t need to believe it. Because, this is not a religion of belief, it’s a religion of experience. Now I saw a lot of puzzled faces. But I felt that it was due to them as honest seekers. What I believe and what I have experienced to be true on the basis of fifteen years of exposure to the awesome miracles that you have been manifesting in the five continents. So, Shri Mataji, I please ask you to forgive me for this because one never feels quite entitled to say the things of the kind. One never feels a worthy carrier for this kind of statement. On the other hand, perhaps the time has come for people to face what is happening. And I hope that I have not totally embarrassed you. And if I have done anything wrong, I please ask you to forgive me. Thank you Shri Mataji. [Transcription of audio"Shri Mataji - I am what I am!, Agnya, Christ, Paul, Swadishthana, Joy"] I bow to all the seekers of truth. Whatever God has done, He must have thought that it should not be delayed anymore. But, I would request you not to believe anything like that blindfolded. You must experience it. You must find out for yourself. Because truth, if it is not accepted at a particular level, it might challenge your ego. It might not be so much easy to perceive also. Yesterday the question was asked and that might be the reason he had to say it out. And many a times people ask such questions. Now in the modern times, it is predicted already, in various Indian scriptures, and abroad, especially by a great man called Bhrigumuni, who lived, I think, about fourteen thousand years back, who is the originator of all the signs of astrology. He has written a book called Nadi Granth. And in that it is described, everything. About the modern times as well as about me, my birthdate, and everything. But, you will be surprised, I never told them this. Never. I think the first news came from a big saint in India, who said about it. Who had never met me before. And also, then a lady who got very badly possessed. Started talking like a learned Brahmin, in Sanskrit language, she was an ordinary woman, and she started telling about me. Of course, I was quite embarrassed, I didn’t know what to do. But it is not important what I am, because whatever I am, that I am. There is nothing great about it. But it is great that you people become something higher. That you achieve something. Me having something is just innate within me. As we have our eyes and our nose, we are not proud of it. In the same way, what you achieve in this life is the most important thing. Because so far, realization has been an individual happening. An individual gets realization. And nobody believed, that is why the saints had to suffer everywhere. In India they had to suffer, everywhere. Even a person like William Blake, who was a great soul, no doubt, in America, in England, he too had to suffer. People called him a madman, you see? They never thought he was normal. As you know Kahlil Gibran, another person, every one of them, even in China, everywhere the saints had to suffer because they were alone. Nobody to support them as such or to say that, yes, this is the truth. Also they lived for a very short time, like Christ was given only four years to talk about himself. And four years is no time, actually, you will be surprised that I was in London. I was working out seven hippies for four years. They are all very well educated, Oxford and Cambridge University, professors and all that. But nothing could work out. For seven years I was not sure that they have settled down. But at least it took four years for me to give them realization. So, you can imagine how difficult it is to start the foundation of…, and, but, there is one thing about the English, I must say, they are serious people. And if they find the truth, I mean, all these seven people are today the foundation stones of Sahaja Yoga, I should say, in the West. They went all out to find out about kundalini, it’s’ working, everything. But the other way around is Russia. I don’t know what books they have read, or how, they just recognize me, all of them, one and all. Everybody knows me in Russia. You will see, you will be amazed at the miracle that I went there and they give you a visa, separate paper, but my visa was handled by so many people that when I went there, I found that the paper was missing. There was no visa for me. So, at the entrance, because I have a diplomatic passport, he looked at me and he just smiled. I said I have no visa I am sorry. He just smiled at me and I don’t know what he did with the computer and he made a visa for me there. That is not possible in any country even in India. It is not possible. But it happened. And it was, he did it on my passport so that I should not lose it. Such things happen, then you start wondering why some people are so sensitive. Like in Italy also in Italy, I would say. Italy it has been very different. But, you see when you should not claim anything there is no need to claim. Of course, when God feels like telling you because he must have felt that he must tell now the Americans they are drifting out. There is nothing to be claimed, you see yourself will find out. Your self would have found out but he thinks that it should not be in his case it was quite delayed so he doesn’t want you to be delayed like that. And he wanted to sort of must have been so it is alright whatever it is now the cat is out of the bag as they say now. So now we have to know about ourselves. That is the best way. What is the use of knowing about me. First better know about ourselves, what we are inside ourselves. Did you talk to them about this or not? Gregoire: Yes, Shri Mataji, I did Shri Mataji: What did you say? Gregoire: I exposed, very briefly that the seven chakras respond to seven qualities within us and when the kundalini enlightens those chakras those qualities start manifesting. But, I didn’t elaborate very much on it. Shri Mataji: Alright. Now as you see there are also three channels. As you know that, doctors talk about autonomous nervous system. But if you ask them, what is auto, they cannot tell you what is auto. It is a name given, if you say automobile it means there is a driver sitting there, isn’t it? It does not move by itself. Now this autonomous nervous system is represented here. Here now by three channels. First the left side sympathetic and the right side sympathetic and the central one is the parasympathetic. As I told you yesterday whenever we put in any effort we can move only to the left or to the right. That is on the sympathetic. But we have no control over parasympathetic until you get your realization. That means if you want to run fast, you can increase the beat of your heart, but, automatically it comes down to normal. And that happening is done through parasympathetic. So far doctors believe in to it, that that is so, they know that. But these centres which are within us are on the inside the spinal cord and cannot be seen with your naked eyes but they manifest outside as plexuses on the physical side. So the plexuses work out our physical side but we also have a mental side. So the left side is the side which we can say is for our emotions, is for our past, is for our conditionings. The right side is for our action, is for our future. And the central path is for our ascent. All these centres that he has talked to you about have been developed within us during our evolutionary process, step by step. So, Christ came on this centre, it is the Agnya chakra, as we say he is the gate, we have to pass through him. The Christians may shout do anything but they don’t know anything about Christ. Now this centre is between the optic chiasma where the kundalini has to pass through. That is why I was saying you must forgive because it is his command. As you know, in his Lord’s Prayer, he has asked to forgive everyone. So it passes through that optic chiasma and if you see…can somebody come and show? Both the sides we have ego and superego. Now the ego is when we do some action and we think we have done this. The fumes of that feeling go and form our ego like this. And they cross over. And when we are conditioned, then the fumes of conditionings also pass over and go to the right side so they cross over. This crossing point is very important. On this crossing point is placed the deity of Christ. So his message is of resurrection. 12:04 That when you pass through this centre and when Christ is awakened these two institutions are sucked in. That is why we say he died for our sins. He died for our sins. He suffered for our sins. Because once he is awakened these two institutions are sucked in. And this area, fontanelle bone area, opens out, they cover first of all the limbic area, which opens out like this, and then the kundalini penetrates them. When he has suffered for us once and for all why should the Christians suffer? But this is the theory they use, you must suffer. Actually, Christians don’t suffer if I have seen that. What they make others suffer only. The way the Christianity spread in these countries you know. Even in India they came with a gun in their hands, you know. They killed so many people and tortured them, and people had to be converted. So, the idea of forgiveness is not there at all with them, nor do they understand one thing that his message is not the cross. His message is his resurrection. If you go to the Sistine Chapel of the Vatican, I must say Michelangelo has seen his form because he puts up a huge big Christ. A huge big VitaLambodara with a big stomach like that. Standing there throwing people this side and that side very strong. 14:00 And down on the table I don’t know who has put there, a very miserable creature called Christ just bones hanging there. I think this must be sadist. To think like that Christ was just bones. Do you think any one of these people who claim to be Christians can carry that cross? I mean they have no feelings about it. If you see that you start crying. Why are they showing Christ like that? So, when this chakra opens out, we have to know that all of our karmas about which Krishna has talked, Brahma has talked are sucked. He sucks the karmas. Of course, we have those deities also within yourself at different points of our evolution no doubt. Christ has said, that those who are not against me are with me. Now who are those? He said it very clearly. Now you gave him only four years the poor thing to talk about anything. How can he talk of things which are so important and subtle? That might be the reason that God must have hurried you up. He doesn’t tell you lies I must tell you that. I have to confess it is so. Now when he has, still despite everything, you must say, Christianity has written lots of truths about Christ somehow. Though Mr. Paul, who came in after, I don’t know how he is there. He is the one who ruined Christianity completely. Because he was not, he never met Christ. 15:57 He was epileptic and he had killed a disciple of Christ called Simon. Such a cruel mind becomes author in the Bible. When I saw first the Bible, I asked my father who is this Paul he said I don’t know he is a stranger. And ah, we call it a squatter. And then he again incarnated as Augustine and changed Christianity completely. And they don’t want to talk about mother at all. The one they talk about is the father and the son, and what about the mother? That is the Holy Ghost. They don’t want to talk about mother. I asked my father I said at least Martin Luther should have talked about the mother, why didn’t he talk? He said that time the problem was from the Muslims and Muslims would have not accepted this theory that it was the mother of Christ who was so important. So, he had to sort of avoid. It was just a time it was so. But I find even today there is a big struggle going on if a woman can have an ordination or not, as if the women are something from the streets or something hopeless, or… We have our mothers as women, our sisters are women, our wives are women, daughters are women. It is such an out of date and primitive idea I tell you. Indians never had this idea, I tell you, you will be surprised. They always call the women as a shakti, the power, and the housewife the most important thing. And this has actually cursed Christians I think because they lack that womanly quality in them of real affection and kindness and joy. 18:05 If you meet a Nun for one day you will be mad for the whole rest of your life. She doesn’t smile, she doesn’t talk sweetly to you, she is so methodical like a machine. How can she represent God? And this is about all of them. Because I told you I have been there and I know that, all of those things very well. So, for us to know, that to follow Christ, is to first of all we have to have our self-realization. We are to be born again, actually, not artificially, taking a certificate. Born again, and what are you doing? Collecting money. There is another organization, oh we are Christians, we this, that, what are we doing? Collecting money. Everybody seems to be in the business. I mean this is something I cannot understand, that everything has become a business in the name of God. And people have become so much tuned with that idea, so much one with that idea that you have to pay, that they cannot understand somebody who says you cannot pay for God. For your living process, they cannot understand. They don’t want to accept such a person. So here there are these centres within. A simple question is why people get sick. Because when these centres go into trouble, into imbalances, people get sick. I’ll just talk to you about one centre. 20:00 Would be better about if I tell you about one centre that is called Swadishthana. That is the centre that comes out of the Nabhi chakra, or the navel centre. And it is responsible for giving us energy when we think, looking after our liver, our pancreas, our spleen, our kidneys, and part of intestine. When we think too much, we use the grey cells of our brain. When we are futuristic, we think too much. What replaces these grey cells is this centre, which transforms the fat into the grey cells and looks after us. So, what happens when you think too much? What happens to you is that your too much thinking takes away most of the energy of this centre which has to look after your liver. So, your liver suffers. When your liver suffers you get a very overactive liver which starts losing its grip in the way the function of the liver is to eliminate the heat of the body which is the poison for us. So, this heat of the body is to be released in the bloodstream. But, because the liver fails, the heat starts moving upward and downward. This is the reason why a disease like asthma is caused. 22:00 Due to the heat, because the lungs, which are sponge-like, they become smaller and smaller with the heat. Now one of the doctors who has got M.D. in India has studied also on asthma. One of the subjects he has handled is asthma. So, asthma is curable, in Sahaja Yoga it is curable because you stop this heat rising. When this heat moves towards the heart, then it also affects the heart, and people get massive heart attacks due to this. So, there are two types of heart attacks. One comes from overactivity and one comes from inactivity where people get heart attacks like angina. But the overactivity one is the one that is caused by the heat of the liver in the body. A person starts thinning down, he doesn’t feel like eating any food, and also sometimes he gets migraine. Early in the morning when he gets up, he feels giddy, feels like vomiting, he cannot stand travelling. All these things are due to this liver, which has been neglected by this centre, Swadishthana. Then, another work of this centre is to look after the pancreas which is responsible for dissolving your sugar for the use of the body. But because that is neglected, you get diabetes. Now in India, in the village, if you go, they take sugar where you have to put the spoon at right angles, otherwise they say it is no tea, it’s no tea. So much sugar they take, they never get any diseases, no diabetes, nothing of the kind. Because they work the whole day, sleep in the night, early in the morning again they go for a walk. 24:00 This is for the people who are sedentary and people who think too much, you get diabetes, especially the planners. Most of the politicians get it, most of the politicians and bureaucrats. They get this disease, diabetes. Then the worst thing is the spleen. Now spleen is the speedometer within us. As you know there is a biorhythm, there is a rhythm, and this spleen keeps the rhythm, with a natural rhythm. But we are the way we are made in these modern times. We lead a very hectic life. In the morning we get up… now the function of the spleen is to produce red blood corpuscles when there is an emergency. So, when we get up in the morning, first we read the newspaper. That is the greatest shocking thing. And they will always put shocking things, they will never put good things there, will they? Because they think there must be, there should be sensation for people because we have become so dull now, that we need real sensations even to wake up in the morning time. So then what happens is that morning shock of the newspaper followed by another shock that we have to go now, hurry up we are late now, do this, do that, hurry up. And then we get into the car without the breakfast, take the breakfast in hand and eating like that. And the poor spleen is working out. Then you come across a big jam, finished. Then you start cursing the jam, and the boss, and everyone. By the time you reach the office the boss is shouting at you. 26:00 So, the whole rhythm of life is so funny. Then the whole day, today she told me there are some stores open until nine o’clock. I mean they must be dead by nine. There is no siesta at all. In the biorhythm you must have a siesta. So in the morning they start at nine, end up at nine, what else, you will have blood pressure, you will have everything. But the worst of all, with this kind of a thing, what you develop is the blood cancer. You are vulnerable then, to the blood cancer, if you are a hectic person. Now of course I must say Sahaja yoga has cured many blood cancer patients. We have authentically proved it. But, unless and until you are realized, unless and until you get your energy passing through that, and nourishing that centre, you cannot get that balance that we need. Then another problem is with this heat you get constipated. Constipation creates all kinds of problems. And such a person also can have the effect on the kidneys and so the kidneys coagulate just like the heart, just like the lungs, and they get kidney trouble. That is also curable. You don’t have to go for dialysis. The other day I was watching one film about dialysis I said oh God if this lady had come to Sahaja yoga she would not have died. It can all be cured. It can be done. But for that, first of all, you must get your realization. You must know yourself what our vibrations are, how to use them. And you all can become expert doctors without even going to the medical colleges. This is only about one centre I have told you. On your fingertips as you see you can feel all the centres. 28:01 And if you know how to cure, then you can cure yourself and cure others also. This is only on the physical level. But also for all psychosomatic diseases where the psyche plays the part, Sahaja yoga is the one because it doesn’t deal with left side right side, it deals with the whole body, with all the chakras. So you start feeling the balance and also so many mad people have been cured with Sahaja yoga. Because that is also nothing, it is too much movement to the left. Now these gurus also ruin you completely because they put spirits on you. And you can never be alright, your health cannot be alright if you go to gurus. First thing as a mother I would say at least you have retained a guru, you have paid him, at least your health should be alright. Minimum of minimum, at least I should see some shine on your face but if you are so dilapidated. And then they say no, no, our guru says you know you have to suffer. Then why do you want to have a guru for that. You can suffer otherwise also. Or they will say our karmas are such. Then why is there a guru? Throw away such a guru, useless fellow, good for nothing. He can’t even look after your health. He doesn’t know anything. He is just giving you mantras, he just says you worship me, I am this, I am that, saying this and that, but what did you get out of that is the point. You must find out what you got out of it. Just going to a guru, going to everyone, touching his feet, why should you do that. I don’t want you to touch my feet at all. 30:00 First of all you become alright. Unless and until you get your realization, I have nothing to do with any of you, you have nothing to do with me. But when you get realization also you must know you got it because your kundalini rose. So there is, there is no obligation at all, no obligation. But it should not be a ego trip, of course, should not be a ego trip. But should be understood. Sahaja yoga is to be understood, to be imbibed. And the whole knowledge should be known to you. You should have the whole knowledge as to how it works, how it moves, and how you can cure people. You should be empowered to raise Kundalini of others. This Gregoire has spoken to you, ask him how many people he has given realization to. You should be able to work it out. Now we have Fernando from Bogota, ask him how many people he has given realization to. We have Bubbit here from Switzerland, we have, you have here one very powerful one, Patrick, how many people he has given realization to? But he says Americans don’t come, what to do? He can’t give realization to stones. It is a big problem. Like sometimes you feel like you are in a desert or a wilderness. What has happened or whatever it is…then another thing is it is not a serious thing, it is joy. Spirit is the source of joy. And joy is not happiness and unhappiness, it is joy. Pure joy. So it is not so serious. 32:00 I mean if you see any of these gurus they sit so serious, and I can’t keep serious for more than two minutes. That also I put up a show. What is there to be serious, it is all a play. All a drama going on. Of course I mean if you see somebody very sick or somebody suffering too much you do feel for that. But then you feel that this person doesn’t want to listen to you, what to do? It is so simple. Then another thing was told to me yesterday, that because it is so simple that is why Americans don’t like it. I said but everything fatal has to be simple. Now supposing for breathing if you had to go to a guru pay him money and then only you could breathe, how many would have survived? It is fatal if you do not get your realization. So important it is. It is the most important thing is to get your realization. And if you don’t get your realization, then I don’t know in what category you will fall. And that is the reason it has to be the simplest of simple. Supposing you have to eat your food, you just put it in your mouth like that or do you go around like that? But if that is the case that you have to go around and round, then it is wrong. But, this is a conditioning that people have given you that you have to go around and around. Some people say oh you still work you know still you have to do a lot, still you have to give some more money, come along. Without money it won’t work out and so you have to go on giving them checks after checks until they start bouncing. This is the situation. 34:00 Now we have to know that anything that is important has to be simple. And the simplest of all, if you understand this, you won’t raise objections to this. But if it is simple, so why not? Again, I would say this way, that supposing I say there is a real diamond lying here. And free, just you have to pick it up. People from Australia will also come running. In the same way we have to understand that we are the spirit, we have to be the spirit. The only thing is we have to go deep into it. Like if you find water in someplace. You go on digging the well there, you don’t go on digging all over the places, isn’t it? So, where you find a little of it, you go move into it, deeper and deeper, and then only the depth grows. And that has to be done, must have patience with yourself. That is all. I have patience. But you should have patience with yourself. And every one of you can get it. Not only you can become masters and next day when I can come you will be all be gurus, I know that. But the gurus become so simple also. So, regarding all these chakras and everything, I think I have covered in a very short way. But, you can get a booklet on this and you can study it. I don’t give many books to read also because book knowledge, we have some Sahaja yogis who are experts in book knowledge, but they don’t feel vibrations so what is the use? So, it is not the book knowledge, it is the knowledge within yourself which is important. Your own growth is important. So, you have to strive for that growth and you must achieve that growth. 36:00 Now any questions? I would like to answer some questions, and then we will do the realization part. Gregoire: We will collect some more questions Shri Mataji, they are written here Shri Mataji: English, yes? Gregoire: Yes. Anyone else have a question written down? Please raise your hand. No other questions, ah… Shri Mataji: Why is a… ? I just can’t read it you know, I am sorry. The spellings are alright but I just can’t read it. What does this say? Yogi: How does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? Shri Mataji: That is it? Oh, no, no. Yogi: With the realization will I accomplish my goals and dreams and desires easier? Shri Mataji: Ah. What did you say this one is? How does… ? Yogi: How does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? Shri Mataji: Ah, this is a nice question, you see, the first one is. with the realization will I accomplish my goals, dreams, and desires easier? Of course you will, no doubt. 38:00 Now whatever we think before realization, we don’t think the same way after realization. Because our awareness becomes different. Our dreams change, our goals change, and also what else? Desires change. Like today supposing somebody wants to build a house, for example. Then he says alright I must have a house in such and such place, and this and that, or something exorbitant, which he can never afford. But then he feels his reality and he thinks what is this of having such a big house? What is the need? But he gets a good house somehow because the divine power works out for him. And which he enjoys without much difficulties. But he doesn’t aim at something funny or something which is just beyond. There was a gentleman who had very great dreams this and that. And he wanted to go to a country and he said I would like to go to that country Mother and it would be a good idea if I could go. So, he got the chance and within ten days he was back. I said why? It was horrible. People are horrible. They don’t talk too properly. They treat you like slaves. I said then why did you want to go there? He said now I realize. So when you face the reality then you change your ideas. 40:00 Because you have no substance, you live in an imaginary world. But when you get the substance, you want to lead a life which is reality. And reality is the most beautiful thing. So the designs also change like you see people have sometimes designs which are just to show off. Like one gentleman bought a kind of a horn and he took it to India. And he said this is a beautiful horn. I said this is horrible. It will trouble everyone, it is a horrible horn, you should not bring. Well, he put it on and he was in jail very soon. Because he was disturbing everyone. So the thing is we do not know what we want is also benevolent for us or benevolent for the society. Because you become a collective being. All the time you think what is good for the benevolence of everyone and my benevolence also. So the priority goes to the benevolence. Like now somebody once said that oh I must go and get drunk, I now must have something to get drunk in a pop supposing he decides. But after realization he sees the people who come out of the pub falling down. He said no not me, I am not going to pay to get this. So the wisdom part is so beautiful. I have told you overnight people have given up drugs. I mean a drug addict wants what? His designs are how to get drugs by hook or crook. But he gives it up completely and he is a free bird. This is one point. How does prosperity relate to the …, how does prosperity relate to the awakening of the spirit? 42:00 Now the prosperity is a idea. It’s an idea. Now for example I will tell you like we will say that Americans are prosperous, alright. Indians are not, in a way. But in a way they are prosperous. For example if you want to buy a good present for a friend you go to an Indian shop you can get a beautiful silver, or a beautiful ivory piece, or a beautifully carved thing which will cost you here a thousand pounds, thousand dollars. While it will cost you only about hundred dollars. [ Transcript of "Continued - Questions and Answers" audio] If you want to buy a good paper to cover it you can’t get it you have to come to America to buy that. So this affluence is plastic affluence. This prosperity is plastic affluence. You see like we have diamonds, we will have pearls, we have emeralds, we have rubies, we have everything. Every household everywhere whether poor or rich will be having at least two to three tola means about thirty grams of gold, every household, and silver, in India, though they are poor. They may be even beggars, still they will have it. It is so cheap there. So, the affluence that we see is an idea. Then you get rid of the one thing and throw it away and bring another thing, throw it away. Because they are worth throwing away. But if you have one good plate of brass, is sufficient, is better than twelve plates of plastic, I mean even hundred plates. So, the affluence is also to be understood in proper sense. What is affluence? Affluence is that which gives you satisfaction. If you have got now today a house, so tomorrow you want to have a car, then day after a helicopter, then an aeroplane, I don’t know how it goes on. That means whatever you desire is not from pure desire. You are jumping from one to another. And whatever you wanted people will kill themselves to achieve some sort of a possession. 2:00 And when they achieve it they will not even take two minutes to forget it and think of another one. They can’t enjoy what they have desired for all these years. So that shows it is not pure desire. The pure desire, the power of pure desire is the kundalini. Once you get your connection with the spirit the whole priorities change. Priorities change and then you know what is good and what is bad. Then you may not have so many junks but you will have something nice with you which will have vibrations. Your idea of beauty, idea of prices will completely change. And it is such a joke that I tell you that if you buy something in Florida for say ten dollars you can get the same for five dollars in San Diego, and for a hundred dollars in New York, so what is the price? I mean such a madness in one country, not only in one country but in two stores. It is a common thing. I mean you all must have experienced it. It is not me. So your priorities change about things. Then you take things which are very beautiful in the sense that they emit vibrations and you live with them happily. But I personally think that all material things are good because you can communicate your love through them. It is nice that you can give nice things to others. That is the greatest joy at least for me. 4:00 The most enjoyable thing is to give something really nice to somebody. To know what one needs and to give that. So many times, when I give something, they say Mother how did you know I needed. I say I just love you; you know. In love you know everything, love is knowledge, and knowledge is love. And the most nourishing and the most joyous thing is to give. And then you understand what is the right thing to do. Selfishness, possessiveness, all these things are headaches. Really, it is a big headache. Say this is my carpet, then it is a headache for me, because I will be worried it is not too short, I hope they have not cut it out, something wrong with it, thank God it is not mine. So, I can enjoy it better. But if I am a realized soul, then how do I enjoy it? I look at it, and the one who has created it, that joy completely flows, giving me joy. It is not important that it should belong to me. It can belong to anyone as long as you can enjoy it. And you will enjoy it better if it doesn’t belong to you. I tell you in a way because then you don’t have to look after it somebody else looks after it and you enjoy it. So, this madness also of accumulation of possessions and all that, makes you mad. So, the best thing is, if you have to have something, you must have them, you must enjoy them as well as keep them until you give it to somebody else. 6:00 But you will be amazed that when you start doing this you will be filled with things, like if you open this door air will not come, but if you open the other door such a blast of air will come. I tell you I suffer from overloading. If you give somebody so little, they give you so much. I mean, I didn’t mean that, but it happens. It just happens. So that by giving you get something that you want, because they know what you want. While you go to a shop you just don’t get it you are so frustrated. I’ll tell you about Gregoire one day we went to a shop in India I wanted, liked a sari, but I thought it was rather expensive. I am a little miserly about myself, but I came away. I don’t know when he went there, he bought the sari. And suddenly he offered to me. Of course, I don’t like to take things from my younger people but you see my heart was filled with such love. Look at him how he thought of it that Mother didn’t buy so let me buy this for her. Of course, I can return that in some other way, always. But see the sweetness, the subtleness of this. I keep that sari very carefully because it has represented that sweetness of a son who just thought I didn’t buy the sari so he went and bought it for me. It is not worth much as such but it is very precious to me because it expresses that love of a son. So, the world is so beautiful the way you make it. And I would say that if you ever come to India, we have about two thousand people there, all of them like you, realized souls. You should see how they live. 8:00 They don’t fight, they don’t quarrel. I have never seen them quarrelling. Just sometimes they pull each other’s legs, that is nice. And sometimes also hit each other, and real enjoyment of friendship, real enjoyment. There is no problem that this woman is running with that man, that man running with that one. No such things, nonsense. It is so pure, such pure relationships. Such love and such enjoyment. And they don’t want to leave the place. We are there about ten days, they say Mother we don’t want to leave it. It is described already by Rabindranath Tagore. The whole description of this is there that people from all races will be coming. We have people for all countries, from all kinds of people, all races, all religions, everyone. We have so many Muslims also. You will be surprised when I went to Russia what really made me feel very happy was that twenty-five Germans came to give realization to Russians. You don’t know how everybody felt. They hugged them, they loved them. And, I mean it was really a sort of a pure understanding that now we are one. We are one. Part and parcel of one. Such a thing should happen. Then Americans go to Russia and just get one with them. They are all like us and you are like them. There is no difference. Before realization all these problems, then you realize we are just the same. Such a world we have to create. 10:00 And Americans have a very, very great responsibility because your country is a very important centre in the universe. Which is this centre here. Which stands for collectivity. This is the centre you represent for collectivity. You are in a way very collective, in a way, but not yet aware of it. You are responsible for all the collectivity of the world. That is the centre you are. And if you people realize then I tell you this world would be a different world all together. Absolutely. It is Americans because they are the trendsetter. But the kinds of trends you have set in before have been horrible. So now let us now start the real trend. And that is what has to work out. I think you all have been realized. You all got your realization the other day. You have all felt the cool breeze. And I have to just tell you that we have a nice centre here. You all can meet all these people here and master it. Absolutely you can master yourself, you become your own master. And you will be amazed at your own improvements. Healthwise I told you that you drop at least ten to twenty years of your age first of all. All your wrinkles, everything, disappear. When I am sixty-seven, I have no wrinkles at all. I mean I never worry. I mean I have a hole here from where all the worries go out. In the same way you also have got now the hole. 12:00 It is as simple as that and it has to work out. I am sure all of you will get it and will establish yourself. I think Florida is a very, very fertile land for that. I have been telling him, the people are much more relaxed and it is a God blessed place. I feel that way. And, I have told him that I will come next time for a…, at least for eight days and work it out in Florida. America, I think Florida and San Francisco are just the opposite of each other. So, I have stopped going to San Francisco. They are not family minded people. They do not have this value system. They don’t have that feeling for their children as you people have. You are very different. But San Diego is very different too. See it is …, I don’t know. But New York horrid, horrid, absolutely horrid. But we have places like here, there, there, where people are coming up, like the fertile land as you can say, Christ has said where the seeds fell down onto the stones then onto the fertile land so I think that Florida will work out and I am with you all the time. Whatever help you will need; I will be there. And, also these people are here. They will tell you all about it. It will all work out now. Any more questions are there? I mean… Gregoire: Now we do the questions Shri Mataji? Shri Mataji: What are the questions? Are …? Such a long one, it is a lecture. 14:00 Now you have asked me a question, is good. But that if self-realization is so simple like reading, eating, etcetera, why is it that we cannot … why is very common here, so we cannot simply be realized but we need someone to show us. Why has the process become so obscure? We all breathe, eat instinctively. Why isn’t realization automatic? Now, for your information, that you have come from matter. From matter to living state there was an incarnation. And from the living state to human state there have been incarnations, one after another. Somebody had to lead you. That has been. They had to lead you. In the same way, in realization also, you have to be led. You will be amazed, there are some people who are born realized but they don’t know anything about it. They don’t understand themselves. They have vibrations, they cure people, they get sick, uh …, they get into problems, and they have no idea as to how it works out. Somebody has to tell you what it is. It is like a child if he is born in a jungle, he is to be told. In the same way, you are to be told. Now in America if you come, you have to ask even how to enter into a house because maybe, you see, you don’t know how to open the door. 16:00 In the same way there has to be someone who has to tell you. And if it would have been this way, it would have been very good for me, but it is not. I have to work hard and I have to tell you about these things. It is very simple but this last realization is not only physical, is not only mental, emotional and spiritual means that you have to have the powers to do it. We never had these powers before. Before this, supposing we want to eat, alright we could eat, but we could not make an ant eat like us. We have to make others like us. This is the problem and that is why you need someone to tell you all about it. It is not like just breathing. Breathing, we do breathe, agreed, and everybody can breathe. But supposing there is a stone. You cannot make the stone breathe, can you? This is a living process again, and for the first time you can do living process, first time. You can raise the kundalini like that. That means you see with your own eyes the movement many a times, of the kundalini, many a times, not always, because sometimes it rises like a jet. So, because you have to do the living work somebody has to tell you. So far you have not done any redemption of anyone. A stone is a stone, fish is a fish, animal is an animal. 18:00 But, now you have to make non-realized souls into higher people. That for that you have to know. And one should not feel hurt after all. I tell you I will be very happy if you can do it. I would like to retire myself. But it is not done, you see, that is what the problem is, somebody has to do it. Alright just a second part, so understand the importance of self-realization. It is not only self-realization. You have to give self-realizations to others. It is not only you get self-realization; you have to give it to others. This light has to go to others, for that you have to know how to do it. Local papers have given covers to TM, Ram Dass, and other teachers, how come you have not been covered? Because they must have given them money. Yah, of course. It is all money oriented. Apart from that there are people who are giving money to the newspaper that I should not be published. You will be surprised in the U.N., where my husband has worked for sixteen years now, he has been re-elected, re-elected as the Secretary General by a hundred and thirty-four nations. And they wouldn’t leave him, he had to resign to get out of that place. He is the senior most Secretary General in the U.N. Despite that, to get into U.N., our organization is one of the organizations as they have sixty there, it was impossible because of all these people; TM, Ram Dass, Chin Moi, this that, all sorts of people. They oppose it, but luckily, the good news is now they have to give in. 20:00 It is only in opposition these newspapers have done it to. Better write to them, is a good idea, to local papers. Why don’t you write about Mother? She has done so much good. And why do you write about TM and this Ram Dass, who harm people. Better write to them. Anything is possible. You see they are very much against me. They try to harm their level best but so far, you see, they are harm not me. Because, you see if you try to harm someone you get back very nicely in your neck. So most of these gurus, Rajneesh tried to harm me, and next week he died. So, most of these gurus are finished like that. What is … ?, Yogi: What is the ultimate goal of Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: What is the ultimate goal of Sahaja Yoga? Sahaja Yoga has no goal. It’s a technique. It is a method, a natural method that works it out. The ultimate goal is to become the Spirit; for you, not for Sahaja Yoga. But not ultimate, there is further on, but still first of all become the Self. As Buddha has said you first become the Self. Do people reincarnate? Of course, they do. If they reincarnate and if they do is the purpose to become closer to a more aware of… I can’t read it. Yogi: Do people reincarnate? And if they do is the purpose to become closer and more aware of God each time. Shri Mataji: More aware? Yogi: More aware of God each time. There is a second part to the question too. Shri Mataji: Alright. Now he is asking do people reincarnate into. 22:00 They do reincarnate. And this is the trial, error and trial method. Then you want to do, say supposing somebody wants to marry a lady. Hankering after her, I must marry her. So next life he marries and then says oh God, please, never this. To learn the lessons, you see, you have to reincarnate. If and if [inaudible], yes, of course, they become better and better, naturally. Because they learn a lot of lessons, you see, so they become better and better. Do you always progress closer to God in each life or do some people get further out? Of course, some people do get further away and some people get nearer to God. It is up to them. It is easy. You have got the freedom. If you want to go to heaven, you can go to heaven. If you want to go to hell, you can. One hippy asked me how do you go to hell. I said take to running jumps and you are there. A group of people believe in bible or Gita very strictly and lives according to the scriptures. Those people facing man problems and sufferings in their lives than other people. What is the reason for that? Mataji believes in karmas and what is your opinion about that? Now, to say that we follow bible is wrong or to follow Gita is wrong. I already told you about bible, how we don’t do what we are supposed to do. 24:00 But I will tell you about Gita. First and foremost thing, Krishna has said: “yoga-kshema vahaamy aham” first of all you should take to yoga and only then I will look after your kshema. So, he is not responsible then. That is why you suffer, first point. Second point, you seem to read between my lines of Gita you have to be a realized soul. Krishna was an incarnation of divine diplomacy. At that time, it was necessary to be diplomatic. He did not say things straight forward but in such a way that only a realized soul can understand. For example, he first said, first of course, he said that you should take to gyana yoga. That is of knowledge. Of course, that doesn’t mean reading. Many people think reading means knowledge. No, he meant that you should feel it on your central nervous system, your buddha. Then your second, that is the best he said. And then you will; siddha praghya, means a realized soul. Then the second point he said that for bhakti yoga that you do your bhakti that is pushpa polum (?) phala (?); give me flowers or fruits or water anything I will accept. But when it comes to his bhakti he has used one word and all that all the Hindus are dancing. They don’t know. He has said the word ananya. Do the bhakti which is ananya means when you are not the other. That when you have become one with me, that is the bhakti. That is ananya bhakti. Now they know all these words; ananya. But Hindus have slipped that point completely. They think by going Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram, you see your throat will be spoiled. Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, this is Krishna’s place. Those who sing Hari Rama, Hari Krishna have gone mad. 26:00 Not only that, not only that they go mad but they get cancer of the throat. Why? Because after all, to take the name of God, what is your right? See when you take the name of Mr. Bush, supposing you go and shout out eh, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, he will put you in the bush. You have to have some protocol. You just can’t go on calling God’s name like this. He is not in your pocket, just you take it out and say that; Rama and Krishna. They are incarnations. You can’t take their names like that. So, what he said that when there is ananya, when you are not the other, when you are a realized soul, then only you should do bhakti, means devotion. Before that, no. And the third thing he has said is: first is the gyana; second is the bhakti; and third is the karma. That is also very interesting. He said you do all the karmas. You do all the action, everything. But put is at the lotus feet of Shri Krishna. That you cannot, because there is still ego. But many people will say yes, yes, I did this, and I put it at the lotus feet of God. You murder someone, put it at the lotus feet of God. You do not. Unless and until you get your realization, you do not. Because then your karmas become akarmas. Means nonaction. You will see when you will be working on people you will say Mother it is going it is coming, it doesn’t work out. Mother, what to do? You will never say I am doing, I am raising, no. You will say it is going, it is working. It is not [? Kavika] You will say like that. That means that you are saying in the third person all the time. Like a little child, you see, if you ask him. I asked a child will now will you go home now? 28:00 No, this woman doesn’t want to go. What to do? So, you get into akarma. Like the sun which shines which doesn’t know it is shining. You do the thing without thinking that you are doing it. It is only possible after self-realization. So, he has hinted at that only what people have not realized. So, they are going Hari Rama, Hari Krishna like mad. I mean by saying that if you can reach God everybody in India says that morning ‘til evening. They must be all nearly there. All absurd ideas. And substantiated by the priests, very nicely, alright, I will give you a mantra, come along, this is the mantra. At least they don’t get, give horrible mantras like TM. But still, they give some sort of a say Rama, why do you need anyone to tell you that you can always say it. But, you should not. Here it is, I have seen people: Christ! They say Christ for everything. I mean they see anything horrible, Christ, and what Jesus also, you say, America? Yogi: Yes. Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ. Jesus. Everything. How can you say that? He is God. You can’t call him like that. Just to say Jesus at everything. Even once you say that vibrations start flowing. Once, just once is sufficient once you are related to him. So, we have to understand the protocol part of it. So, this is what the Gita people read Gita, no use reading anything. Like sick people, they have a very good book. 30:00 Which Nanak sahib worked out very well that he got all the realized souls. He put all their poetry there and he said now this is the book for you. You learn from here. So, they sit down in two and a half days the book should be finished. So, one person reads something, puts his finger, then another one comes from that finger, he reads, puts his finger. They are all reading one after the other, just like Bible reading. For two and a half days they read and end up with nothing. Because what he has said is that why are you running here and there? It resides in your heart, seek it in your heart. Now supposing this is the medicine he has given, that seek it in your heart. Supposing you are having a headache and that is alright, you take headaches for it. You are going to, you take headaches, you take headaches, will your headache go away? You have to take the medicine that they have said it. That is why those who read books just read the prescription but not take the medicine. That is why. That is why these people suffer. Otherwise why should they suffer is Kubera. What is there to suffer? You know how he helps Sudama? But you have to be like Sudama. Alright. Practically the questions are over. I think I better meet you all. Will be a better idea. And see that you all have your Realization intact. I am sorry I am going away so early. Next time I am definitely going to be here for some time. You are already looking younger, this lady. They can come. Yogi: there is a line to come see Shri Mataji Yes, I will just sit there. You can pull the chair up.

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Public Program

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Public Program and Workshop. United Nations, New York (USA), 6 June 1990. I bow to you all, for you are the seekers of truth. When we talk of trutht we must understand at the very outset that Truth is what it is. We cannot mould it with our human awareness, we cannot organize it and we cannot change it at all. So, what is the truth? The truth is that we are not this body, this intellect, these emotions, this ego, the conditionings, but we are the Spirit. And the second truth is that there is a subtle All-pervading divine Power which is doing all the living work. For example, we see the flowers and we take them for granted. Mohamed Saab [unsure] has said that, "If you just watch your eyes, you'd be surprised what a camera it is. All living things we take for granted and we do not inquire as to how these things are worked out and how all these living processes are going on around. Now we have supposedly come from the amoeba stage to this stage. How have we come? We did not do anything and how is it we have become human beings and why have we become human beings? When I first saw the mandate of the United Nations, when my husband was elected, I was very happy that what it was saying was exactly what we have to do, is to become collective in a way, to have collective benevolence. But outwardly and superficially we cannot become collective. We have to become inwardly collective and for that something has to happen to us. If we were so easily collective, we would have absolute knowledge and there would not be any difference of opinion. Everybody would say the same thing because if it is Absolute truth it has to be absolute for everyone. On the contrary, everybody is saying they have the truth. It seems they are all absolutely [in opposition] with each other. So, what is the thing that we are missing? Whether it is religion, philosophy, thinking or all the philosophies of the world, I feel that in the United Nations one has to get self-realization. Unless and until you get Self-realization, this collectivity which is the nature of your Spirit will not manifest. The Spirit is the collective being within us. When it manifests you'll be amazed at yourself that you can feel the subtle centres of another person on your fingertips and you can feel the subtle centres of your being also on your fingertips. In Koran, it is very nicely described that at the time of resurrection your hands will speak. So when you get your Realization you can feel on your fingertips all the subtle centres about which he was talking to you about. It is to be understood later on. But the first thing is that you must ask for your enlightenment. It's a myth when we say that you are enlightened, you are born again, or we are this or we are that. Unless and until you become Spirit in the real sense of the word, that it is an actualization of the experience, we are not to believe into it because that kind of belief is just blind and it's not for our benevolence or for the benevolence of the whole world. So this breakthrough in the evolutionary process has to take place. But for that one has to remember that as we have not prayed for our evolution so far, we cannot pay for it. First of all, all people who talk of payment, you must know that there is some falsehood behind it because you cannot pay for it. If you have to sow a seed, you don't pay anything to the Mother Earth. You may pay for the hall, you may pay for the car, but you can't pay for your self-realization. This is the first thing to be understood very clearly. But I find in the Western countries it is difficult for people to understand this point. I was surprised that the BBC people, such a well-equipped and sensible people, told me very frankly that the Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. I said, "Who has made this Anglo-Saxon brain?" First of all. The second point is that you believe in Christ. How much money did you pay to Christ? How much money did you pay to Buddha? How much money did you pay to Mahavira? Or to Nanaka? They worked so hard for you. What did you do for them? Nothing but to torture. I never listened to them. The truth is so important today for us that all our problems are there only because we have not felt the truth. You are talking now about imbalances. You are talking about the physical problems of drugs and also of AIDS and all other such things. All these can be cured and completely prevented if you become the Spirit. When this Kundalini rises, she touches that All-pervading vital Power and you are blessed with all your physical, mental, and emotional upliftment, not only that but complete nourishment. Because this little point was left out: we are suffering. Ecological problems can be solved, very easily if you get into your balances. For example, we use machines. For anything, we go to extremes. We have no balance. Actually, the mental projection is a linear movement. But if it has no support with reality, it recoils back on you. Even science, we must say that science has done a lot of harm in a way because it has produced atomic bombs and all that. But the science also tells us, "This is wrong. We are going too far with it. We should stop". But we don't pay any heed to it. This is our own mistake. We have to understand that there is a kind of balance which is needed in our own lives, in our own temperament, in our own being. But supposing if you force yourself you cannot. If you tell yourself, "No, no, no, you must be balanced, you should have a balanced life". You cannot, because at the human awareness you cannot. But once you become the Spirit, it automatically works out. Now in this diagram, you'll see there are three channels which are shown and also there are centres which are shown here which are seven in number. The centres are something like this and this is the left and right side of the two sympathetic nervous systems and in the centre is the parasympathetic nervous system. Doctors call it an autonomous nervous system. But who is the 'Auto'? And who controls the 'Auto'? And how to reach the 'Auto' is the problem. Supposing you have a tree, very much grown. You must know it has to have roots down there. If it has not got those roots developed, it's about to fall off. So this is the knowledge of the roots and as scientists, you must have an open mind about it. Take it as a hypothesis and if it works, as honest people you have to accept it. For example, my husband always said, "You are a saint, I know. You are an awliya". He used to say that. "But I can't believe you can make anybody like you. It's a different thing, a different category". But these days these categories are born. So many are seeking the truth. Never in the history of spirituality, you had so many people who are seeking the Truth. They are misled, I know, and they are used and exploited, I agree, but they are seekers. So, I call it the blossom time. This is a special time when this has to happen. But people have to have a seriousness about it. When in the society that I move – as you know there's another society also that I have "- in which I find people talking like this, "This guru is very good. He's expensive but very good". And the one gave some bargains and another has lowered some price. If you are going to judge your guru by how much money he takes or how much you can save, then it's such money-oriented nonsense it cannot be anything divine. Divine doesn't understand money. Never. So, once you understand this simple point, you'll be able to reach the truth very easily that if you have to seek the truth, it's a living process within you which has to work it out. And when it works out, then only you can feel that beautiful, surrounding All-pervading Power about which all the religions have described. If you go even to the religions which have only talked of the formless God, or some who have talked of the Form, there is one common point they have said: seek the eternal and use the temporary with all understanding in its own limitations. But you can't do it. That's the trouble. We just can't keep ourselves into those limitations. If we take to drinking, we become drunkards. If we take to work, we become work alcoholics. If we take to anything, we go to extremes.The only thing which gives us the complete balance is the Spirit. Now, how? Because Spirit is like the light. Supposing you are holding a snake and if somebody tells you that you are holding a snake in your hand and it's all darkness. Then one may say, "No, it's not. It's a rope." How can you argue? Till the snake bites the person he is not going to leave the snake. The best thing is to put on the light. In that light, he can see and can throw away the snake. This is how today's Sahaja Yoga is working. 'Sahaja' means 'born with you is the right to be united with this divine Power'. Yoga doesn't mean standing on your heads. It doesn't mean breaking your knees. It doesn't mean that at all! If you see Patanjali Yoga, in the Patanjali, then in the Patanjali he has written eight into eight ashtangas into eight folds, out of which 'Yama Niyama' is a wee bit, out of which the exercises are even much, much a smaller percentage. Also, it is said very clearly that when your Kundalini rises then you must do this centre; or this center is being augmented, constricted, then you have to use a particular type of an exercise. Patanjali Yoga is such a big book! But those people who just make it a physical one, do not understand that we are not only physical being. If we were only physical being, I get many wrestlers coming to me to say that, "Mother, we have no peace. Will you give us peace?" We are much more than physical beings. We are physical beings, we are mental beings, we are emotional beings. Above all, we are spiritual beings and that spiritual being has to manifest. That manifestation has to take place in our awareness. Then so many things happen to us. First of all, as I told you, that with this connection this vital energy starts flowing within you. This energy has got so many qualities. First is it comforts you. In the sense, it cures you, automatically. It's your own power that cures you. Of course, it is true. Through Sahaja Yoga people have been cured of blood cancer and many serious diseases and, if you would allow me, I would say that AIDS has also been cured with Sahaja Yoga in Australia, no doubt. But such complications that, in this country, you cannot cure anyone. I mean, I don't cure but even if your Kundalini cures I could be arrested for that. In all the Western countries this is a problem and in India, an AIDS patient cannot come. All such complications are there. But these things are so easily cured if you allow your Kundalini to rise and now doctors have accepted it. I must say that Russians, whatever you may say about their radiums and all that. Forget about it. I'm not interested in their politics. But the people are so wise and so sensible. Their doctors and Nobel Prize winners are so sensible and so serious-minded. They have taken to Sahaja Yoga so seriously. I'm amazed that - what's the use of our democracy that he had all over that we did not understand the importance of our ascent that we have to find something. We are so satisfied with ourselves. What do we have? We talk of ecological problems, this problem, that problem, but we don't think how we can get out of it. We never bothered to see what will help us. People talk of spirituality here and there. It's a serious thing one has to understand. If the United Nations has to express itself, in reality, then I would say the people of United Nations must get their Self-realization first. And then they can understand what they are, how great they are, how glorious they are. So many ways and so many powers they have which they can use and this is the power of Love which we have never used. When you read about the United Nations you think it was conceived as a thing which works on the power of Love. But where is that power of Love? That is this all-pervading power. You become extremely dynamic, extremely active, extremely sensible, wise, but above all, extremely compassionate. And this is what has to happen to us. It is not lip service. It's not sitting on the table and talk of peace. I've known people who've got Nobel Prize in peace. They are the hottest people you could ever think of. I don't know how they got this prize. Maybe for something that they did on a very superficial level. But the person who is not peaceful within himself, how can he spread peace? You have to have your own peace within yourself, you have to feel your peace within yourself, and then only you can do something about it. A person who has achieved that, even the presence of such a person can emit that peace that we are talking about. So I have to request you all as members of the United Nations because my husband has been there for 16 years, as you know. He had to resign otherwise they would not allow him to get out. I told him that unless and until you resign I would not be able to talk like this to them. But it's a fact, I must tell you as members of United Nations, all of you have to ask for your Self-realization, to understand yourself fully well and then you will see how dynamic you become. All of your problems become immediately solved because you become detached from your problems and you can see them better and you can solve them better. This knowledge is such a lot that I cannot cover the whole subject in one lecture. I must have given thousands of lectures only in the English language. But I would say that like these lights are here and if I have to tell you about electricity, how it has come, how it was discovered – it's a headache. It's better I tell you that you put on the light. It's better that we have our light and see for ourselves in our light what our problem is. People get mad, they don't know they are getting mad, people get cancer, they don't know they are getting cancer, they are all the time under the fear that this might happen to me, that might happen to me. But with Sahaja Yoga immediately you will know what's wrong with you and if you will know how to correct it. It hardly takes any time. But the transition between the awakening of the Kundalini and the mastering it is hardly one month's time. But even if that much patience people don't have, how are you going to work out? But it's very amazing, just think of it, that the eastern block people are so easily taking to it while we, who have the freedom to express ourselves, freedom to do what we like are not so good. I must confess that I really was astounded the way these people reacted. What's wrong with us? Why shouldn't it happen to us? I just cannot put my finger on to anything as such while all kinds of falsehood we accept. If somebody comes and says, "All right, you dance." So we think we are spiritual? But nobody has been able to deliver the goods. I always say, "If you have a guru, what have you got from your guru?" I am your Mother, say. I would like to know what powers have you got? This gentleman who spoke to you today, do you know how many people he has given realization to? How many things he has done? There are many sitting here who have been doing all these things. They look just like you, simple people, leading a very simple life, a very sane life, good people. As my husband would say, "They are all angels." But they have become angels. Some of them were drug addicts, some of them were very immoral, some of them were absolutely lost cases and see where they are. Why can't we learn this art? It is simple, so easy. You don't have to pay. It's your own. This is what sometimes I can't understand and I would be very happy if you can ask me some questions about it. But I really request you, people, to take it up seriously and work it out. When people will see how you've changed, how you have transformed, how you have become dynamic. They will definitely follow you. You cannot force it on you. That's the only problem is that your freedom has to be respected. You cannot say that you have to take your Realization. You have to understand yourself mentally and to ask for it. Otherwise, it cannot be forced. But I would like to have some questions from you. Thank you very much. Seeker: [Has a question about Transcendental Meditation] Shri Mataji: It's a very controversial subject, but if you want me to tell you the truth, I can tell you the truth without any fear. I came to know about Transcendental Meditation when I was in London. A gentleman contacted me saying that he would like to see me. So I said, "Why?" He said, I am suffering from epilepsy, my wife is suffering from epilepsy, my daughter is suffering from epilepsy. I said, "All right, I would like to see you. Come." So I gave him a time and he came down. I was amazed when he told me that he was the head of the Flying Foundation of Transcendental Meditation. His deputy director had also come and when I asked him what is this Transcendental Meditation I was amazed that the whole thing… He told me that they had to do three mantras for which they had to pay 300 pounds each. I said, "What are those mantras?" First, he was hesitating. I said, "You have to tell me the mantras otherwise I will not be able to say what it is, why you have caught epilepsy." He said, "The first mantra was Inga. The second was Pinga and third was Thinga." If there is any Indian gentleman here he will know what it means. Inga means the bite of a scorpion. It's not a Sanskrit word. Pinga means when a person gets possessed he goes round and round and Thinga means like when you show a thumb. For that, they paid 300 pounds and they were told not to talk about it to anyone. Now, this is coming from the head of that foundation who was suffering from epilepsy. This poor fellow he became ultimately bankrupt. His wife was a granddaughter of a duke in England. Of course, they were all cured but he had to go away to South Africa. He was a diamond merchant and he lost everything as a bankrupt. Then so many came from there and so many who had become just recluses. They could not see the garlic or they could not see a lemon. If you showed them the lemon they used to tremble. In the beginning, they said they felt very much elated. Of course, about this, I will tell you later on about how our souls are and how our souls can be possessed. You asked me directly so I have to tell you very directly, madame. The second thing that they did was to start a siddha course, they called it, for which they charged 6,000 pounds and people had to go to Switzerland to stay in hotels and they were given some mats to jump because they were supposed to fly in the air, so-called. First of all, why do you want to fly in the air halfway like that? Imagine already there are such problems of traffic. Because of that, I was delayed. And so many people paid 6,000 pounds for that. The food that was given – it's authentic, absolutely – for six days, was the water that boiled potatoes. On the seventh day was [UNCLEAR] and the eighth day they were given the potatoes to eat. They were told that you have to do it if they were to fly in the air. So many of them broke their pelvic bones. It's a fact and I think the guru must have felt what stupid people these are so he used to giggle all the time. He was called as the giggling guru. If people are that stupid what can you do about it and they don't know. I said, "Why don't you ask them, ‘Why this mantra? Why? What is this? For what?" In Sahaja Yoga, you know each and everything. Of course, after Realization, you have to know all about the mechanics of it, you have to know about what is the… say, for example, the Kundalini stops at this centre of the optic chiasma, then you have to say the Lord's Prayer. You have to say, "Allah hu Akbar" at this point. So many there are. But it's so scientific that you can see the movement of the Kundalini. All kinds of stupid things people do. Somebody says 'shakti path', somebody says that. People become really mad after that. First of all, what knowledge did you get? Put it that way. You must go and see the disciples, what knowledge there is. Nowadays, supposing somebody has started Ayurveda. We don't need any guru for that. You can go to Ayurveda any time. Like just your medicine, you don't need a guru to go to any doctor, will you? But we are so dumb and here I don't know how people accept these things. Still, I can't understand. There's a lady who has laser beams and for one meeting like this, she takes 3,000 pounds, that to enrol. Can you believe it? Because you've asked me the question I have to tell you this is what is going on, Madam, and for Chinese especially you be very careful. You are very vulnerable because now you have become very rich and they only cling on to rich people very careful. First of all, you must find out what are the disciples like, what are they doing and how they are [UNCLEAR doing]. I talked about it in 1970. Openly I gave their names and what devils they are. But nobody would listen to me. Even this Rajneesh, I told about him so many things and they are the ones stopping us coming to you and everywhere. Do you know that? They are putting money to many newspapers that I should not be there in any way. Even my advertisement should not be there. But they are all very friendly because Satan doesn't speak against his own house. Christ said it clearly. They are all very friendly with each other. But we have to know the truth and the truth is that you have to become the Spirit and you must get the powers of the Spirit. If you do not have the powers of the Spirit, don't listen to these big claims. There is nothing to be claimed about. It is to be achieved, to be actualized. I'm sorry I have to say all this, but one has to say because she asked me a question about it. Moreover, there is another problem. Another problem is that if you pay money for something… say, we go to a theatre and we pay money for a ticket and then we find that the play is not very good, but we say let's have it because we have paid for it and we go through it. So this commitment because of payment is even worse. So you come out from there hurt and see people, their Kundalini just like… I cannot tell you how it looks. It's as if it's been beaten up and trying to rise putting up Her head and again it falls down. So weak she is and she is your Mother, your individual Mother. And she feels so helpless that she cannot give you your Self-realization, She cannot give you your second birth because you have stupidly followed something which is very wrong. Even though, I must tell you, that Sahaja Yoga works out even such difficulties. All kinds of things are going on. Let somebody bring some diamond or somebody shows some sort of ashes and things. For a diamond, you can go to a shop here. What does God or any divinity have to do with diamonds? What do you care for diamonds? So this is a very big problem today. because we have choices, choices of this and choices of that. But we have lost that discretion. Find out what we should have. So many people are hurt. I have been talking about it very openly. Nobody has ever come forward before me and said this and this about Sahaja Yoga. I have said all sorts of things about them. Nobody has come forward so far. Nobody has said a word about it, nor did they go to the courts or anywhere against me. They could have done it very easily but they could not. Because you have asked me today, I'd better warn you. It's true. Seeker: What is the role of prayer in Sahaja Yoga and is the change permanent? Shri Mataji: If you are not connected with the divine, your prayers are like telephoning without the connection. That's why prayers don't help. People do come and say that, "We've been praying to God and, see now, what is our condition". Which god are you praying to? First of all, you must have your connection. Then even once you remember the name of God, it works. But you have to have the connection. It has a very great role only if you are connected. Seeker: Is the change permanent? Shri Mataji: It is. Once you have to work it out also, that the Kundalini rises, pierces through your fontanelle bone area, gives your actualization of baptism nicely, you should feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, and you should feel on your hands from all over this cool breeze, but you have to establish this connection properly. Sometimes the Kundalini attends to places where you have sickness, where you have mental problems. So you must learn. That's what I said that one month is needed, at the most, to fix it. Once you are fixed, you are fixed. It's permanent. Seeker: Being a Christian, how can we practice Sahaja Yoga without feeling a conflict? Shri Mataji: There is no conflict because this is real Christianity, what Christ has said. The Christianity that you practice is not Christ Christianity. It's the Christianity of Mr Paul and, later on, Mr Augustine who had nothing to do with Christ. It's all money-making propositions. I know because I was born in a Christian family and I asked my father, "Who is this Mr Paul in the Bible? I cannot understand." He said, "Same here, he's a stranger." And if you read Kalil Gibran, he has given a big chapter on this gentleman, Mr Paul. There's no conflict at all. What's the use of… The other day you must have seen these fundamentalist Christians jeering at Gorbachev (who is a great man, no doubt about it) because they think they are very great Christians. What have they achieved? In India what I know about Christians, they take a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other hand. That's what they are. Let us face it. What good have they done, the so-called Christians? Where we are sitting today in this America, what have they done? Where have the people gone who lived here, who owned this country? Thank God Columbus came to this side. Otherwise, our India, if he had reached, we would be not there anymore, finished. Same about Hindus, same about Muslims and same about all the people. These are all man-made religions. Religion is within ourselves and when it is awakened you will really know how righteous you are. Anybody, whether you are Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, any religion you may follow, you can commit any sin. There is no bondage. You can tell lies, you can murder anyone. You don't stop because you are a Christian, you don't stop if you are a Hindu. But Christ was such a subtle person. What he said: "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." How many Christians have you met without adulterous eyes? Subtleties of Christ, you can achieve it. You can definitely achieve it through your self-realization. The first thing He said and the last thing He said is "Know Thy Self." You will enjoy your Christianity and Christ after Self-realization. For example, you say that Christ was the Son of God. But many will say, "How do you prove that?" It's very simple in Sahaja Yoga. You put your hands like this. After self-realization you ask a question: "Mother, was Christ the Son of God?" You'll see the vibrations coming, cool breeze. But ask about somebody horrible, you might get a little burning, or you might get sometimes little blisters. Because you were born in a religion you follow it. But then you follow Him, not blindly but with an awakened mind. I want to inform you that generally, Shri Mataji agrees to grant a session of guided collective meditation at the end but by most of the people can feel the raising of the Kundalini so, by all means, ask questions but of course [UNCLEAR] so the question now, Shri Mataji, was simply what is the role of vegetarianism. It is not so much emphasizing your teaching but it very much is This is also an idea which has cropped up some time within the time of Shri Krishna. His cousin was an eminath who was a Jain gentleman. They used to all eat meat and everything – Krishna, Rama, everybody ate meat. But what happened that his marriage was to be celebrated in the marriage. He saw all these things, so many goats and birds and all and he felt a kind of a [UNCLEAR nausea] about it. So He didn't marry and also He said let's become vegetarians. That's how the vegetarianism started in India and that has spread all over now and later on the vegetarianism has gone to such a limit among Jains that you have no idea that you cannot kill bugs, you cannot kill [UNCLEAR], you cannot kill anything because they are living things. Apart from that they get a brahmin, pay him a lot of money, put him in a hut and put all the bugs inside the hut. The bugs have to suck in the blood and when they are all satisfied they pay money to the brahmin and go away. It's cruelty. So what is the balancing point is this that whatever is required for the body should be eaten but the animal which is bigger than you should not be eaten because that animal's muscle cells are bigger than your muscle cells and they might harm your teeth, they might harm your tongue. So if you save the chickens, am I going to give them realization? But those who have eaten too much non-veg food should take to vegetarianism, it's a good idea, but not that those who need non-veg food should not take it. It's not what you eat is so important. It's all the funny ideas that have come. It is what you get as the Spirit. Christ used to eat meat. Mohammed Saheb used to eat meat, Nanaka used to eat meat. Kabira used to eat meat. They were all bad people and those who are vegetarians, so-called, are the very nice people? In India, I must tell you, those who are strict vegetarians are one of the worst class, no doubt about it because they are extremely cruel people. You can ask anyone who are the vegetarians and you'll be surprised. They are very money oriented, always run after money and they are just like [UNCLEAR Shiloh] type. But if you don't like, you don't eat. There is no force about it. But somebody who eats because he needs it, it in no way comes in your spirituality. I may not eat but I don't expect you not to eat. It's an individual question, an individual problem of a level that it's not so much concern. Also, like Rajneesh used to say, or Freud would say, that sex plays a part in your spirituality is absolutely wrong. It does not. Because here you can see the seventh centre – which we call as the Mooladhara, which is looking after the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for all the excretion inclusive of sex – it is below the Kundalini. So when the Kundalini rises, all your excretion processes stop. That's why Christ has said if you have to come to the kingdom of God, you have to become like small children, innocent. And you do because all these things stop when the ascent of the Kundalini takes place. Gregoire: No. I think there is a little misunderstanding. Shri Mataji did not say to refrain sexuality. Shri Mataji said sexuality has nothing to do with Kundalini awakening. Shri Mataji: Yes. I had better correct that. Gregoire: Yes. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. I said that it does not play part in the ascent of the Kundalini. But sex, in a sane way, is important. If somebody is not married or somebody calls himself a sanyasi, you tell him better change your ideas. The Kundalini doesn't rise, it's a fact. The Kundalini tells you. She is the best judge. That's why while speaking to you I was a little hesitant. Just one gentleman who hasn't got realization as yet in London, only one who is not married. I don't know what to do with him. I must confess, it's true. What can I do about it. I don't mean it. I would love to do that but somehow he is not getting realization. A sane marriage gives you a balance, a good family and is your responsibility to produce a good family, to produce good children. Perhaps that is what is expected. But I think there's a misunderstanding because I said only that part. At the time of realization. If there is any such misunderstanding you must ask me because it's a very short lecture and maybe some points are left out. It's better to ask so there should no misunderstanding about things Seeker: Christ was not married. Yeah, He is different. You crucified Him so fast. He could only preach for four years. Christ was very different. You will understand His nature, what He was and then you will know why He did not need any marriage. Christ said some are born eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom. That's a little subtler. I think you'd better get your realization first and then you'll know what it is. Also to read the Bible, not the Paul part because it's only organization. You must get your self-realization. Even to read Gita you must get your self-realization otherwise you can become confused. Maybe we can have the questioning part later on at the end of the program? But if people have other questions then can suggest that we can come down and [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji this is what I would suggest that we have the experience of collective meditation. [to the seekers:] Would you like it, to have the experience? Seekers: Yes. Shri Mataji: As I told you, it cannot be forced. A very simple thing it is. The thing is that you have to ask for it. It cannot be forced and it is vital that we should get it. All of the vital things we got spontaneously, without any trouble as human beings. But this is another stage. Say we have become human beings from amoeba and, say, monkeys. But now what we are going to become, we are going to be empowered, that we can transform people, that we can nourish nature. So because of this jump that we have to have in our awareness and in our strength, we have to understand what it is because God has given us brains to understand. Everything is absolutely logical. You can judge for yourself and see for yourself. That is the reason why somebody has to tell you, decode it and tell you everything. And then once you know it you can also tell others. It cannot be done in the way we have got this human awareness. It's a much higher awareness about which I am talking and for that, somebody has to tell you all the subtleties, all the decoding. But that doesn't mean that it is something obligatory for you. I personally think it's nothing for Me because whatever I have I have. It's nothing great. I don't think it's something great to have something you are born with it. But it's definitely great for you to achieve it and that's the thing I respect. That you have achieved all these powers yourself. So there is no obligation at all, in no way. At the very outset, I have to tell you that there are two conditions we have to have. The first condition is that we have to forget the past and forgive ourselves, that not to feel guilty at all. It's something like a myth that we start feeling guilty. As a result, we start catching on this centre here (points to left Visshudhi). This centre when you catch, you can get spondylitis, you can get paralysis, you can get angina. It is useless to feel guilty. After all, you are not God. If you have done mistakes what's the use of feeling guilty? Let the Kundalini find out. Why should we judge ourselves? That means you forget your past, forget your guilt and mistakes and everything and you have to be pleasantly placed toward yourself because now you are going to enter into the kingdom of God. You have to love yourself and know that you are a human being and have self-confidence that you are going to enter into the kingdom of God. This is the first condition. The second is that you have to forgive everyone. The other day somebody said that to forgive others is very difficult. Now whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. Again, logically, you don't do anything. It's just your idea that you don't forgive, and if you don't forgive you play into the hands which are trying to harm you. The people who are the ones who tortured you are very happy while you are the one who is suffering because you cannot forgive. So you have to forgive everyone. This is a very, very important, crucial point. As I told you, in this cross here of the optic chiasma resides Christ and what He has told us, He has given us the greatest weapon which is to forgive. If you don't forgive you cannot awaken Him, and if you cannot awaken Him, there are two functions: one is the Kundalini has to pass through and He sucks in all our karmas and conditionings from – you can see the two balloons there – to open up the limbic area for us, for the Kundalini to pass through. So if you do not forgive, it's going to be difficult for Me because I cannot forgive for you. So please these two conditions you have to fulfil. I hope it's not too much. Now, we have to take the help of the Mother Earth so if you could take out the shoes it would be much better, just the shoes not the socks. Modern Yoga is very wonderful, I think. Sitting on the chair you can get your realization. You don't have to do all kinds of asanas. It has to be that way. Please remember, as I told you this left side and right side there are two powers. The left side power is the power of desire. Not of pure desire but desire. The right side is the power of action. We have to keep both our feet a little away from each other. We have to sit comfortably – not bending too much or putting yourself backwards too much – but just in a straight manner. Put your left hand towards me like this. This means that you want your self-realization, that you desire your self-realization. Just like this, very comfortable, please put your left hand towards me like this, and with the right hand, we'll be nourishing our centres. So right hand you have to put on your heart. We work on you on the left-hand side. I'll first show you and then we'll close our eyes and we'll work out the awakening of the Kundalini. In the heart resides the Spirit. So first we put the hand on the Spirit. Then we put our hand on the upper portion of the abdomen on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery. That means by awakening this centre you get that power by which you can master the art of Kundalini awakening. Then you take down your hand to the low portion of the abdomen and press it hard. This is the centre of pure knowledge. The pure knowledge you get out of your evolutionary process which manifests on your central nervous system. And then on your heart again. Then raise your right hand in the corner of your neck here, neck and your shoulder and turn your head to the right. This is the centre, which I told you just now, is completely disturbed if you feel guilty. I think today with all of you who has this problem, again I say please, please forgive yourself. Then you have to take your right hand onto your forehead across like this and press it on both the sides. Put down your head and press it nicely. This is the centre for forgiving others. Take back your right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on it. Let it rest. Here for your own satisfaction, without counting your mistakes, without feeling guilty, you have to ask forgiveness from the divine power which is all pervading. Now you have to stretch your hand fully and put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Please put it there exactly. Put down your head nicely. Push back your fingers as much as you can. Put down your head. Push your hand on the scalp and now you have to move your scalp very slowly clockwise 7 times. This is all we have to do. You can take out your spectacles also. It might help your eyesight so please take out your spectacles. Again I repeat, you have to be pleasantly placed toward yourself. Don't feel guilty. You have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the divine. Please place your left hand towards me and right hand on the heart, both the feet apart and now close your eyes. Here you have to ask a very fundamental question to me. You can call me Shri Mataji or Mother, whatever you like. "Mother, am I the Spirit? Please ask this question three times from your heart. Now if you are the Spirit, you are the master, you are your guide. Now take down your right hand. the upper portion of the abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard and here ask me another very fundamental question in your Heart, "Mother, am I my own master? Mother, am I my own guru?" Ask this question three times. As I've told you, I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now take down your right hand the lower portion of your abdomen, press it hard on the left-hand side and here please say six times because this centre has got six petals. "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." This knowledge has to manifest on your central nervous system giving you a new dimension. Ask earnestly. As soon as you ask this question, the Kundalini starts rising. As I have told you from the very beginning that the Truth is you are not this body, and you are not this intellect, you are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings or this ego. You are the pure Spirit. So now please raise your right hand on your heart and say it again will full confidence, "Mother, I am the Spirit." Please say it twelve times. The divine power which is all-pervading is the ocean of knowledge and of Love. It is the ocean of benevolence and blessings. But above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. Sol whatever mistakes you might have committed, this ocean of forgiveness has the power to dissolve everything. So please forgive yourself, be pleasantly placed toward yourself and put your right in the corner of your neck and shoulder and turn your head to the right. Here you have to say with full confidence, "Mother, I am not guilty at all." Please say it sixteen times because this centre has got sixteen petals. I've already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive, then you play into wrong hands and suffer. So now raise your right hand on top of your forehead and put down your head on your hand properly. Press it on both the sides nicely and say it from your heart, "Mother, I forgive everyone." I'm saying say it from your heart, not how many times but say it from your heart. "Mother, I forgive everyone." Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on that hand nicely, let it rest. Here, please again remember, do not count your mistakes, do not feel guilty at all, but just for your satisfaction, push back your head nicely, and say "Oh divine power, if I have done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." Now, please stretch your hand, your palm fully. Put the centre of your palm on the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Push back your fingers and press your scalp nicely. Here, again, I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for your self-realization. So now please put down your head, press it hard and move your scalp seven times very slowly with pressure. Push back your fingers and here you have to say, "Mother, please give me my self-realization." Put down your head nicely. (Mother blows many times into the microphone.) Please take down your hand and open your eyes. Put both your hands towards me. Now try to think… Now watch me without thought. You can do it. This is the first state you have achieved called as thoughtless awareness. Put your right hand like this and left hand on top of your head, not on your head but above your head, and put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now please put your left hand towards me, put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. With the right hand, you can feel it. Don't put it on top. You have to put it above the head, a little away. Some people might get heat coming out, that's all right, and some people might get it far away – doesn't matter. If there's a heat coming out, it's all right. The heat has to come out. Please put again the right hand. Bend your head again and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Please raises both of your hands, push back your head and ask a question three times, any one of these, "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?." "Mother, is this the power of Love of God?" "Mother is this the all-pervading paramchaitanya."Ask any one of these questions three times. Now don't doubt. If there is air conditioning you may doubt, but there is nothing to doubt about it. Good. Now take down your hands. All those who've felt the cool breeze or the heat or the cool in their hands, out of their heads or on the hands, please raise both your hands. Very good. May God bless United Nations Most of you have felt it. Some have not – doesn't matter. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you. But we have a club here, thank God [UNCLEAR] and you are all welcome. And we have great experts of Sahaja Yoga in New York, that's one thing I must say, and they will tell you each and everything about it, the whole knowledge. You don't have to pay for it. Only little bit of time you have to give. These days we have watches to save time, but we save time to waste it. We have to save time to use it for our ascent and you don't need much time for this. About five minutes in the morning and ten minutes in the evening is more than sufficient but you must first learn and you all must become great masters of Sahaja Yoga. Next time when I come I hope I'll be able to see lots of people who have got realization through you. May God bless you all. Seeker: May I ask one additional question regarding this self-realization? When people ask what do I do as a Sahaja yogi, I had it explained what do we do, but they ask me what is this based on to make it work? Shri Mataji: Actually, it's a state of our being. Ones first state is of thoughtless awareness. The second one is doubtless awareness. So you have to rise up to that and then you know everything yourself. It's not much to explain because it becomes part and parcel of… Like, clearly, you can see this carpet. I can clearly feel when I am a realized soul about everything. So we have to rise up to that level. But not blindly.

Public Program and Workshop. United Nations, New York (USA), 6 June 1990. I bow to you all, for you are the seekers of truth. When we talk of trutht we must understand at the very outset that Truth is what it is. We cannot mould it with our human awareness, we cannot organize it and we cannot change it at all. So, what is the truth? The truth is that we are not this body, this intellect, these emotions, this ego, the conditionings, but we are the Spirit. And the second truth is that there is a subtle All-pervading divine Power which is doing all the living work. For example, we see the flowers and we take them for granted. Mohamed Saab [unsure] has said that, "If you just watch your eyes, you'd be surprised what a camera it is. All living things we take for granted and we do not inquire as to how these things are worked out and how all these living processes are going on around. Now we have supposedly come from the amoeba stage to this stage. How have we come? We did not do anything and how is it we have become human beings and why have we become human beings? When I first saw the mandate of the United Nations, when my husband was elected, I was very happy that what it was saying was exactly what we have to do, is to become collective in a way, to have collective benevolence. But outwardly and superficially we cannot become collective. We have to become inwardly collective and for that something has to happen to us. If we were so easily collective, we would have absolute knowledge and there would not be any difference of opinion. Everybody would say the same thing because if it is Absolute truth it has to be absolute for everyone. On the contrary, everybody is saying they have the truth. It seems they are all absolutely [in opposition] with each other. So, what is the thing that we are missing? Whether it is religion, philosophy, thinking or all the philosophies of the world, I feel that in the United Nations one has to get self-realization. Unless and until you get Self-realization, this collectivity which is the nature of your Spirit will not manifest. The Spirit is the collective being within us. When it manifests you'll be amazed at yourself that you can feel the subtle centres of another person on your fingertips and you can feel the subtle centres of your being also on your fingertips. In Koran, it is very nicely described that at the time of resurrection your hands will speak. So when you get your Realization you can feel on your fingertips all the subtle centres about which he was talking to you about. It is to be understood later on. But the first thing is that you must ask for your enlightenment. It's a myth when we say that you are enlightened, you are born again, or we are this or we are that. Unless and until you become Spirit in the real sense of the word, that it is an actualization of the experience, we are not to believe into it because that kind of belief is just blind and it's not for our benevolence or for the benevolence of the whole world. So this breakthrough in the evolutionary process has to take place. But for that one has to remember that as we have not prayed for our evolution so far, we cannot pay for it. First of all, all people who talk of payment, you must know that there is some falsehood behind it because you cannot pay for it. If you have to sow a seed, you don't pay anything to the Mother Earth. You may pay for the hall, you may pay for the car, but you can't pay for your self-realization. This is the first thing to be understood very clearly. But I find in the Western countries it is difficult for people to understand this point. I was surprised that the BBC people, such a well-equipped and sensible people, told me very frankly that the Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand anything without money. I said, "Who has made this Anglo-Saxon brain?" First of all. The second point is that you believe in Christ. How much money did you pay to Christ? How much money did you pay to Buddha? How much money did you pay to Mahavira? Or to Nanaka? They worked so hard for you. What did you do for them? Nothing but to torture. I never listened to them. The truth is so important today for us that all our problems are there only because we have not felt the truth. You are talking now about imbalances. You are talking about the physical problems of drugs and also of AIDS and all other such things. All these can be cured and completely prevented if you become the Spirit. When this Kundalini rises, she touches that All-pervading vital Power and you are blessed with all your physical, mental, and emotional upliftment, not only that but complete nourishment. Because this little point was left out: we are suffering. Ecological problems can be solved, very easily if you get into your balances. For example, we use machines. For anything, we go to extremes. We have no balance. Actually, the mental projection is a linear movement. But if it has no support with reality, it recoils back on you. Even science, we must say that science has done a lot of harm in a way because it has produced atomic bombs and all that. But the science also tells us, "This is wrong. We are going too far with it. We should stop". But we don't pay any heed to it. This is our own mistake. We have to understand that there is a kind of balance which is needed in our own lives, in our own temperament, in our own being. But supposing if you force yourself you cannot. If you tell yourself, "No, no, no, you must be balanced, you should have a balanced life". You cannot, because at the human awareness you cannot. But once you become the Spirit, it automatically works out. Now in this diagram, you'll see there are three channels which are shown and also there are centres which are shown here which are seven in number. The centres are something like this and this is the left and right side of the two sympathetic nervous systems and in the centre is the parasympathetic nervous system. Doctors call it an autonomous nervous system. But who is the 'Auto'? And who controls the 'Auto'? And how to reach the 'Auto' is the problem. Supposing you have a tree, very much grown. You must know it has to have roots down there. If it has not got those roots developed, it's about to fall off. So this is the knowledge of the roots and as scientists, you must have an open mind about it. Take it as a hypothesis and if it works, as honest people you have to accept it. For example, my husband always said, "You are a saint, I know. You are an awliya". He used to say that. "But I can't believe you can make anybody like you. It's a different thing, a different category". But these days these categories are born. So many are seeking the truth. Never in the history of spirituality, you had so many people who are seeking the Truth. They are misled, I know, and they are used and exploited, I agree, but they are seekers. So, I call it the blossom time. This is a special time when this has to happen. But people have to have a seriousness about it. When in the society that I move – as you know there's another society also that I have "- in which I find people talking like this, "This guru is very good. He's expensive but very good". And the one gave some bargains and another has lowered some price. If you are going to judge your guru by how much money he takes or how much you can save, then it's such money-oriented nonsense it cannot be anything divine. Divine doesn't understand money. Never. So, once you understand this simple point, you'll be able to reach the truth very easily that if you have to seek the truth, it's a living process within you which has to work it out. And when it works out, then only you can feel that beautiful, surrounding All-pervading Power about which all the religions have described. If you go even to the religions which have only talked of the formless God, or some who have talked of the Form, there is one common point they have said: seek the eternal and use the temporary with all understanding in its own limitations. But you can't do it. That's the trouble. We just can't keep ourselves into those limitations. If we take to drinking, we become drunkards. If we take to work, we become work alcoholics. If we take to anything, we go to extremes.The only thing which gives us the complete balance is the Spirit. Now, how? Because Spirit is like the light. Supposing you are holding a snake and if somebody tells you that you are holding a snake in your hand and it's all darkness. Then one may say, "No, it's not. It's a rope." How can you argue? Till the snake bites the person he is not going to leave the snake. The best thing is to put on the light. In that light, he can see and can throw away the snake. This is how today's Sahaja Yoga is working. 'Sahaja' means 'born with you is the right to be united with this divine Power'. Yoga doesn't mean standing on your heads. It doesn't mean breaking your knees. It doesn't mean that at all! If you see Patanjali Yoga, in the Patanjali, then in the Patanjali he has written eight into eight ashtangas into eight folds, out of which 'Yama Niyama' is a wee bit, out of which the exercises are even much, much a smaller percentage. Also, it is said very clearly that when your Kundalini rises then you must do this centre; or this center is being augmented, constricted, then you have to use a particular type of an exercise. Patanjali Yoga is such a big book! But those people who just make it a physical one, do not understand that we are not only physical being. If we were only physical being, I get many wrestlers coming to me to say that, "Mother, we have no peace. Will you give us peace?" We are much more than physical beings. We are physical beings, we are mental beings, we are emotional beings. Above all, we are spiritual beings and that spiritual being has to manifest. That manifestation has to take place in our awareness. Then so many things happen to us. First of all, as I told you, that with this connection this vital energy starts flowing within you. This energy has got so many qualities. First is it comforts you. In the sense, it cures you, automatically. It's your own power that cures you. Of course, it is true. Through Sahaja Yoga people have been cured of blood cancer and many serious diseases and, if you would allow me, I would say that AIDS has also been cured with Sahaja Yoga in Australia, no doubt. But such complications that, in this country, you cannot cure anyone. I mean, I don't cure but even if your Kundalini cures I could be arrested for that. In all the Western countries this is a problem and in India, an AIDS patient cannot come. All such complications are there. But these things are so easily cured if you allow your Kundalini to rise and now doctors have accepted it. I must say that Russians, whatever you may say about their radiums and all that. Forget about it. I'm not interested in their politics. But the people are so wise and so sensible. Their doctors and Nobel Prize winners are so sensible and so serious-minded. They have taken to Sahaja Yoga so seriously. I'm amazed that - what's the use of our democracy that he had all over that we did not understand the importance of our ascent that we have to find something. We are so satisfied with ourselves. What do we have? We talk of ecological problems, this problem, that problem, but we don't think how we can get out of it. We never bothered to see what will help us. People talk of spirituality here and there. It's a serious thing one has to understand. If the United Nations has to express itself, in reality, then I would say the people of United Nations must get their Self-realization first. And then they can understand what they are, how great they are, how glorious they are. So many ways and so many powers they have which they can use and this is the power of Love which we have never used. When you read about the United Nations you think it was conceived as a thing which works on the power of Love. But where is that power of Love? That is this all-pervading power. You become extremely dynamic, extremely active, extremely sensible, wise, but above all, extremely compassionate. And this is what has to happen to us. It is not lip service. It's not sitting on the table and talk of peace. I've known people who've got Nobel Prize in peace. They are the hottest people you could ever think of. I don't know how they got this prize. Maybe for something that they did on a very superficial level. But the person who is not peaceful within himself, how can he spread peace? You have to have your own peace within yourself, you have to feel your peace within yourself, and then only you can do something about it. A person who has achieved that, even the presence of such a person can emit that peace that we are talking about. So I have to request you all as members of the United Nations because my husband has been there for 16 years, as you know. He had to resign otherwise they would not allow him to get out. I told him that unless and until you resign I would not be able to talk like this to them. But it's a fact, I must tell you as members of United Nations, all of you have to ask for your Self-realization, to understand yourself fully well and then you will see how dynamic you become. All of your problems become immediately solved because you become detached from your problems and you can see them better and you can solve them better. This knowledge is such a lot that I cannot cover the whole subject in one lecture. I must have given thousands of lectures only in the English language. But I would say that like these lights are here and if I have to tell you about electricity, how it has come, how it was discovered – it's a headache. It's better I tell you that you put on the light. It's better that we have our light and see for ourselves in our light what our problem is. People get mad, they don't know they are getting mad, people get cancer, they don't know they are getting cancer, they are all the time under the fear that this might happen to me, that might happen to me. But with Sahaja Yoga immediately you will know what's wrong with you and if you will know how to correct it. It hardly takes any time. But the transition between the awakening of the Kundalini and the mastering it is hardly one month's time. But even if that much patience people don't have, how are you going to work out? But it's very amazing, just think of it, that the eastern block people are so easily taking to it while we, who have the freedom to express ourselves, freedom to do what we like are not so good. I must confess that I really was astounded the way these people reacted. What's wrong with us? Why shouldn't it happen to us? I just cannot put my finger on to anything as such while all kinds of falsehood we accept. If somebody comes and says, "All right, you dance." So we think we are spiritual? But nobody has been able to deliver the goods. I always say, "If you have a guru, what have you got from your guru?" I am your Mother, say. I would like to know what powers have you got? This gentleman who spoke to you today, do you know how many people he has given realization to? How many things he has done? There are many sitting here who have been doing all these things. They look just like you, simple people, leading a very simple life, a very sane life, good people. As my husband would say, "They are all angels." But they have become angels. Some of them were drug addicts, some of them were very immoral, some of them were absolutely lost cases and see where they are. Why can't we learn this art? It is simple, so easy. You don't have to pay. It's your own. This is what sometimes I can't understand and I would be very happy if you can ask me some questions about it. But I really request you, people, to take it up seriously and work it out. When people will see how you've changed, how you have transformed, how you have become dynamic. They will definitely follow you. You cannot force it on you. That's the only problem is that your freedom has to be respected. You cannot say that you have to take your Realization. You have to understand yourself mentally and to ask for it. Otherwise, it cannot be forced. But I would like to have some questions from you. Thank you very much. Seeker: [Has a question about Transcendental Meditation] Shri Mataji: It's a very controversial subject, but if you want me to tell you the truth, I can tell you the truth without any fear. I came to know about Transcendental Meditation when I was in London. A gentleman contacted me saying that he would like to see me. So I said, "Why?" He said, I am suffering from epilepsy, my wife is suffering from epilepsy, my daughter is suffering from epilepsy. I said, "All right, I would like to see you. Come." So I gave him a time and he came down. I was amazed when he told me that he was the head of the Flying Foundation of Transcendental Meditation. His deputy director had also come and when I asked him what is this Transcendental Meditation I was amazed that the whole thing… He told me that they had to do three mantras for which they had to pay 300 pounds each. I said, "What are those mantras?" First, he was hesitating. I said, "You have to tell me the mantras otherwise I will not be able to say what it is, why you have caught epilepsy." He said, "The first mantra was Inga. The second was Pinga and third was Thinga." If there is any Indian gentleman here he will know what it means. Inga means the bite of a scorpion. It's not a Sanskrit word. Pinga means when a person gets possessed he goes round and round and Thinga means like when you show a thumb. For that, they paid 300 pounds and they were told not to talk about it to anyone. Now, this is coming from the head of that foundation who was suffering from epilepsy. This poor fellow he became ultimately bankrupt. His wife was a granddaughter of a duke in England. Of course, they were all cured but he had to go away to South Africa. He was a diamond merchant and he lost everything as a bankrupt. Then so many came from there and so many who had become just recluses. They could not see the garlic or they could not see a lemon. If you showed them the lemon they used to tremble. In the beginning, they said they felt very much elated. Of course, about this, I will tell you later on about how our souls are and how our souls can be possessed. You asked me directly so I have to tell you very directly, madame. The second thing that they did was to start a siddha course, they called it, for which they charged 6,000 pounds and people had to go to Switzerland to stay in hotels and they were given some mats to jump because they were supposed to fly in the air, so-called. First of all, why do you want to fly in the air halfway like that? Imagine already there are such problems of traffic. Because of that, I was delayed. And so many people paid 6,000 pounds for that. The food that was given – it's authentic, absolutely – for six days, was the water that boiled potatoes. On the seventh day was [UNCLEAR] and the eighth day they were given the potatoes to eat. They were told that you have to do it if they were to fly in the air. So many of them broke their pelvic bones. It's a fact and I think the guru must have felt what stupid people these are so he used to giggle all the time. He was called as the giggling guru. If people are that stupid what can you do about it and they don't know. I said, "Why don't you ask them, ‘Why this mantra? Why? What is this? For what?" In Sahaja Yoga, you know each and everything. Of course, after Realization, you have to know all about the mechanics of it, you have to know about what is the… say, for example, the Kundalini stops at this centre of the optic chiasma, then you have to say the Lord's Prayer. You have to say, "Allah hu Akbar" at this point. So many there are. But it's so scientific that you can see the movement of the Kundalini. All kinds of stupid things people do. Somebody says 'shakti path', somebody says that. People become really mad after that. First of all, what knowledge did you get? Put it that way. You must go and see the disciples, what knowledge there is. Nowadays, supposing somebody has started Ayurveda. We don't need any guru for that. You can go to Ayurveda any time. Like just your medicine, you don't need a guru to go to any doctor, will you? But we are so dumb and here I don't know how people accept these things. Still, I can't understand. There's a lady who has laser beams and for one meeting like this, she takes 3,000 pounds, that to enrol. Can you believe it? Because you've asked me the question I have to tell you this is what is going on, Madam, and for Chinese especially you be very careful. You are very vulnerable because now you have become very rich and they only cling on to rich people very careful. First of all, you must find out what are the disciples like, what are they doing and how they are [UNCLEAR doing]. I talked about it in 1970. Openly I gave their names and what devils they are. But nobody would listen to me. Even this Rajneesh, I told about him so many things and they are the ones stopping us coming to you and everywhere. Do you know that? They are putting money to many newspapers that I should not be there in any way. Even my advertisement should not be there. But they are all very friendly because Satan doesn't speak against his own house. Christ said it clearly. They are all very friendly with each other. But we have to know the truth and the truth is that you have to become the Spirit and you must get the powers of the Spirit. If you do not have the powers of the Spirit, don't listen to these big claims. There is nothing to be claimed about. It is to be achieved, to be actualized. I'm sorry I have to say all this, but one has to say because she asked me a question about it. Moreover, there is another problem. Another problem is that if you pay money for something… say, we go to a theatre and we pay money for a ticket and then we find that the play is not very good, but we say let's have it because we have paid for it and we go through it. So this commitment because of payment is even worse. So you come out from there hurt and see people, their Kundalini just like… I cannot tell you how it looks. It's as if it's been beaten up and trying to rise putting up Her head and again it falls down. So weak she is and she is your Mother, your individual Mother. And she feels so helpless that she cannot give you your Self-realization, She cannot give you your second birth because you have stupidly followed something which is very wrong. Even though, I must tell you, that Sahaja Yoga works out even such difficulties. All kinds of things are going on. Let somebody bring some diamond or somebody shows some sort of ashes and things. For a diamond, you can go to a shop here. What does God or any divinity have to do with diamonds? What do you care for diamonds? So this is a very big problem today. because we have choices, choices of this and choices of that. But we have lost that discretion. Find out what we should have. So many people are hurt. I have been talking about it very openly. Nobody has ever come forward before me and said this and this about Sahaja Yoga. I have said all sorts of things about them. Nobody has come forward so far. Nobody has said a word about it, nor did they go to the courts or anywhere against me. They could have done it very easily but they could not. Because you have asked me today, I'd better warn you. It's true. Seeker: What is the role of prayer in Sahaja Yoga and is the change permanent? Shri Mataji: If you are not connected with the divine, your prayers are like telephoning without the connection. That's why prayers don't help. People do come and say that, "We've been praying to God and, see now, what is our condition". Which god are you praying to? First of all, you must have your connection. Then even once you remember the name of God, it works. But you have to have the connection. It has a very great role only if you are connected. Seeker: Is the change permanent? Shri Mataji: It is. Once you have to work it out also, that the Kundalini rises, pierces through your fontanelle bone area, gives your actualization of baptism nicely, you should feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, and you should feel on your hands from all over this cool breeze, but you have to establish this connection properly. Sometimes the Kundalini attends to places where you have sickness, where you have mental problems. So you must learn. That's what I said that one month is needed, at the most, to fix it. Once you are fixed, you are fixed. It's permanent. Seeker: Being a Christian, how can we practice Sahaja Yoga without feeling a conflict? Shri Mataji: There is no conflict because this is real Christianity, what Christ has said. The Christianity that you practice is not Christ Christianity. It's the Christianity of Mr Paul and, later on, Mr Augustine who had nothing to do with Christ. It's all money-making propositions. I know because I was born in a Christian family and I asked my father, "Who is this Mr Paul in the Bible? I cannot understand." He said, "Same here, he's a stranger." And if you read Kalil Gibran, he has given a big chapter on this gentleman, Mr Paul. There's no conflict at all. What's the use of… The other day you must have seen these fundamentalist Christians jeering at Gorbachev (who is a great man, no doubt about it) because they think they are very great Christians. What have they achieved? In India what I know about Christians, they take a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other hand. That's what they are. Let us face it. What good have they done, the so-called Christians? Where we are sitting today in this America, what have they done? Where have the people gone who lived here, who owned this country? Thank God Columbus came to this side. Otherwise, our India, if he had reached, we would be not there anymore, finished. Same about Hindus, same about Muslims and same about all the people. These are all man-made religions. Religion is within ourselves and when it is awakened you will really know how righteous you are. Anybody, whether you are Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, any religion you may follow, you can commit any sin. There is no bondage. You can tell lies, you can murder anyone. You don't stop because you are a Christian, you don't stop if you are a Hindu. But Christ was such a subtle person. What he said: "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." How many Christians have you met without adulterous eyes? Subtleties of Christ, you can achieve it. You can definitely achieve it through your self-realization. The first thing He said and the last thing He said is "Know Thy Self." You will enjoy your Christianity and Christ after Self-realization. For example, you say that Christ was the Son of God. But many will say, "How do you prove that?" It's very simple in Sahaja Yoga. You put your hands like this. After self-realization you ask a question: "Mother, was Christ the Son of God?" You'll see the vibrations coming, cool breeze. But ask about somebody horrible, you might get a little burning, or you might get sometimes little blisters. Because you were born in a religion you follow it. But then you follow Him, not blindly but with an awakened mind. I want to inform you that generally, Shri Mataji agrees to grant a session of guided collective meditation at the end but by most of the people can feel the raising of the Kundalini so, by all means, ask questions but of course [UNCLEAR] so the question now, Shri Mataji, was simply what is the role of vegetarianism. It is not so much emphasizing your teaching but it very much is This is also an idea which has cropped up some time within the time of Shri Krishna. His cousin was an eminath who was a Jain gentleman. They used to all eat meat and everything – Krishna, Rama, everybody ate meat. But what happened that his marriage was to be celebrated in the marriage. He saw all these things, so many goats and birds and all and he felt a kind of a [UNCLEAR nausea] about it. So He didn't marry and also He said let's become vegetarians. That's how the vegetarianism started in India and that has spread all over now and later on the vegetarianism has gone to such a limit among Jains that you have no idea that you cannot kill bugs, you cannot kill [UNCLEAR], you cannot kill anything because they are living things. Apart from that they get a brahmin, pay him a lot of money, put him in a hut and put all the bugs inside the hut. The bugs have to suck in the blood and when they are all satisfied they pay money to the brahmin and go away. It's cruelty. So what is the balancing point is this that whatever is required for the body should be eaten but the animal which is bigger than you should not be eaten because that animal's muscle cells are bigger than your muscle cells and they might harm your teeth, they might harm your tongue. So if you save the chickens, am I going to give them realization? But those who have eaten too much non-veg food should take to vegetarianism, it's a good idea, but not that those who need non-veg food should not take it. It's not what you eat is so important. It's all the funny ideas that have come. It is what you get as the Spirit. Christ used to eat meat. Mohammed Saheb used to eat meat, Nanaka used to eat meat. Kabira used to eat meat. They were all bad people and those who are vegetarians, so-called, are the very nice people? In India, I must tell you, those who are strict vegetarians are one of the worst class, no doubt about it because they are extremely cruel people. You can ask anyone who are the vegetarians and you'll be surprised. They are very money oriented, always run after money and they are just like [UNCLEAR Shiloh] type. But if you don't like, you don't eat. There is no force about it. But somebody who eats because he needs it, it in no way comes in your spirituality. I may not eat but I don't expect you not to eat. It's an individual question, an individual problem of a level that it's not so much concern. Also, like Rajneesh used to say, or Freud would say, that sex plays a part in your spirituality is absolutely wrong. It does not. Because here you can see the seventh centre – which we call as the Mooladhara, which is looking after the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for all the excretion inclusive of sex – it is below the Kundalini. So when the Kundalini rises, all your excretion processes stop. That's why Christ has said if you have to come to the kingdom of God, you have to become like small children, innocent. And you do because all these things stop when the ascent of the Kundalini takes place. Gregoire: No. I think there is a little misunderstanding. Shri Mataji did not say to refrain sexuality. Shri Mataji said sexuality has nothing to do with Kundalini awakening. Shri Mataji: Yes. I had better correct that. Gregoire: Yes. Shri Mataji: No, no, no, no. I said that it does not play part in the ascent of the Kundalini. But sex, in a sane way, is important. If somebody is not married or somebody calls himself a sanyasi, you tell him better change your ideas. The Kundalini doesn't rise, it's a fact. The Kundalini tells you. She is the best judge. That's why while speaking to you I was a little hesitant. Just one gentleman who hasn't got realization as yet in London, only one who is not married. I don't know what to do with him. I must confess, it's true. What can I do about it. I don't mean it. I would love to do that but somehow he is not getting realization. A sane marriage gives you a balance, a good family and is your responsibility to produce a good family, to produce good children. Perhaps that is what is expected. But I think there's a misunderstanding because I said only that part. At the time of realization. If there is any such misunderstanding you must ask me because it's a very short lecture and maybe some points are left out. It's better to ask so there should no misunderstanding about things Seeker: Christ was not married. Yeah, He is different. You crucified Him so fast. He could only preach for four years. Christ was very different. You will understand His nature, what He was and then you will know why He did not need any marriage. Christ said some are born eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom. That's a little subtler. I think you'd better get your realization first and then you'll know what it is. Also to read the Bible, not the Paul part because it's only organization. You must get your self-realization. Even to read Gita you must get your self-realization otherwise you can become confused. Maybe we can have the questioning part later on at the end of the program? But if people have other questions then can suggest that we can come down and [UNCLEAR]. Shri Mataji this is what I would suggest that we have the experience of collective meditation. [to the seekers:] Would you like it, to have the experience? Seekers: Yes. Shri Mataji: As I told you, it cannot be forced. A very simple thing it is. The thing is that you have to ask for it. It cannot be forced and it is vital that we should get it. All of the vital things we got spontaneously, without any trouble as human beings. But this is another stage. Say we have become human beings from amoeba and, say, monkeys. But now what we are going to become, we are going to be empowered, that we can transform people, that we can nourish nature. So because of this jump that we have to have in our awareness and in our strength, we have to understand what it is because God has given us brains to understand. Everything is absolutely logical. You can judge for yourself and see for yourself. That is the reason why somebody has to tell you, decode it and tell you everything. And then once you know it you can also tell others. It cannot be done in the way we have got this human awareness. It's a much higher awareness about which I am talking and for that, somebody has to tell you all the subtleties, all the decoding. But that doesn't mean that it is something obligatory for you. I personally think it's nothing for Me because whatever I have I have. It's nothing great. I don't think it's something great to have something you are born with it. But it's definitely great for you to achieve it and that's the thing I respect. That you have achieved all these powers yourself. So there is no obligation at all, in no way. At the very outset, I have to tell you that there are two conditions we have to have. The first condition is that we have to forget the past and forgive ourselves, that not to feel guilty at all. It's something like a myth that we start feeling guilty. As a result, we start catching on this centre here (points to left Visshudhi). This centre when you catch, you can get spondylitis, you can get paralysis, you can get angina. It is useless to feel guilty. After all, you are not God. If you have done mistakes what's the use of feeling guilty? Let the Kundalini find out. Why should we judge ourselves? That means you forget your past, forget your guilt and mistakes and everything and you have to be pleasantly placed toward yourself because now you are going to enter into the kingdom of God. You have to love yourself and know that you are a human being and have self-confidence that you are going to enter into the kingdom of God. This is the first condition. The second is that you have to forgive everyone. The other day somebody said that to forgive others is very difficult. Now whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. Again, logically, you don't do anything. It's just your idea that you don't forgive, and if you don't forgive you play into the hands which are trying to harm you. The people who are the ones who tortured you are very happy while you are the one who is suffering because you cannot forgive. So you have to forgive everyone. This is a very, very important, crucial point. As I told you, in this cross here of the optic chiasma resides Christ and what He has told us, He has given us the greatest weapon which is to forgive. If you don't forgive you cannot awaken Him, and if you cannot awaken Him, there are two functions: one is the Kundalini has to pass through and He sucks in all our karmas and conditionings from – you can see the two balloons there – to open up the limbic area for us, for the Kundalini to pass through. So if you do not forgive, it's going to be difficult for Me because I cannot forgive for you. So please these two conditions you have to fulfil. I hope it's not too much. Now, we have to take the help of the Mother Earth so if you could take out the shoes it would be much better, just the shoes not the socks. Modern Yoga is very wonderful, I think. Sitting on the chair you can get your realization. You don't have to do all kinds of asanas. It has to be that way. Please remember, as I told you this left side and right side there are two powers. The left side power is the power of desire. Not of pure desire but desire. The right side is the power of action. We have to keep both our feet a little away from each other. We have to sit comfortably – not bending too much or putting yourself backwards too much – but just in a straight manner. Put your left hand towards me like this. This means that you want your self-realization, that you desire your self-realization. Just like this, very comfortable, please put your left hand towards me like this, and with the right hand, we'll be nourishing our centres. So right hand you have to put on your heart. We work on you on the left-hand side. I'll first show you and then we'll close our eyes and we'll work out the awakening of the Kundalini. In the heart resides the Spirit. So first we put the hand on the Spirit. Then we put our hand on the upper portion of the abdomen on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery. That means by awakening this centre you get that power by which you can master the art of Kundalini awakening. Then you take down your hand to the low portion of the abdomen and press it hard. This is the centre of pure knowledge. The pure knowledge you get out of your evolutionary process which manifests on your central nervous system. And then on your heart again. Then raise your right hand in the corner of your neck here, neck and your shoulder and turn your head to the right. This is the centre, which I told you just now, is completely disturbed if you feel guilty. I think today with all of you who has this problem, again I say please, please forgive yourself. Then you have to take your right hand onto your forehead across like this and press it on both the sides. Put down your head and press it nicely. This is the centre for forgiving others. Take back your right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on it. Let it rest. Here for your own satisfaction, without counting your mistakes, without feeling guilty, you have to ask forgiveness from the divine power which is all pervading. Now you have to stretch your hand fully and put the centre of your palm on top of the fontanelle bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Please put it there exactly. Put down your head nicely. Push back your fingers as much as you can. Put down your head. Push your hand on the scalp and now you have to move your scalp very slowly clockwise 7 times. This is all we have to do. You can take out your spectacles also. It might help your eyesight so please take out your spectacles. Again I repeat, you have to be pleasantly placed toward yourself. Don't feel guilty. You have done nothing wrong in the eyes of the divine. Please place your left hand towards me and right hand on the heart, both the feet apart and now close your eyes. Here you have to ask a very fundamental question to me. You can call me Shri Mataji or Mother, whatever you like. "Mother, am I the Spirit? Please ask this question three times from your heart. Now if you are the Spirit, you are the master, you are your guide. Now take down your right hand. the upper portion of the abdomen on the left-hand side, press it hard and here ask me another very fundamental question in your Heart, "Mother, am I my own master? Mother, am I my own guru?" Ask this question three times. As I've told you, I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now take down your right hand the lower portion of your abdomen, press it hard on the left-hand side and here please say six times because this centre has got six petals. "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." This knowledge has to manifest on your central nervous system giving you a new dimension. Ask earnestly. As soon as you ask this question, the Kundalini starts rising. As I have told you from the very beginning that the Truth is you are not this body, and you are not this intellect, you are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings or this ego. You are the pure Spirit. So now please raise your right hand on your heart and say it again will full confidence, "Mother, I am the Spirit." Please say it twelve times. The divine power which is all-pervading is the ocean of knowledge and of Love. It is the ocean of benevolence and blessings. But above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. Sol whatever mistakes you might have committed, this ocean of forgiveness has the power to dissolve everything. So please forgive yourself, be pleasantly placed toward yourself and put your right in the corner of your neck and shoulder and turn your head to the right. Here you have to say with full confidence, "Mother, I am not guilty at all." Please say it sixteen times because this centre has got sixteen petals. I've already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive, then you play into wrong hands and suffer. So now raise your right hand on top of your forehead and put down your head on your hand properly. Press it on both the sides nicely and say it from your heart, "Mother, I forgive everyone." I'm saying say it from your heart, not how many times but say it from your heart. "Mother, I forgive everyone." Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on that hand nicely, let it rest. Here, please again remember, do not count your mistakes, do not feel guilty at all, but just for your satisfaction, push back your head nicely, and say "Oh divine power, if I have done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." Now, please stretch your hand, your palm fully. Put the centre of your palm on the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Push back your fingers and press your scalp nicely. Here, again, I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for your self-realization. So now please put down your head, press it hard and move your scalp seven times very slowly with pressure. Push back your fingers and here you have to say, "Mother, please give me my self-realization." Put down your head nicely. (Mother blows many times into the microphone.) Please take down your hand and open your eyes. Put both your hands towards me. Now try to think… Now watch me without thought. You can do it. This is the first state you have achieved called as thoughtless awareness. Put your right hand like this and left hand on top of your head, not on your head but above your head, and put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now please put your left hand towards me, put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. With the right hand, you can feel it. Don't put it on top. You have to put it above the head, a little away. Some people might get heat coming out, that's all right, and some people might get it far away – doesn't matter. If there's a heat coming out, it's all right. The heat has to come out. Please put again the right hand. Bend your head again and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Please raises both of your hands, push back your head and ask a question three times, any one of these, "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?." "Mother, is this the power of Love of God?" "Mother is this the all-pervading paramchaitanya."Ask any one of these questions three times. Now don't doubt. If there is air conditioning you may doubt, but there is nothing to doubt about it. Good. Now take down your hands. All those who've felt the cool breeze or the heat or the cool in their hands, out of their heads or on the hands, please raise both your hands. Very good. May God bless United Nations Most of you have felt it. Some have not – doesn't matter. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you. But we have a club here, thank God [UNCLEAR] and you are all welcome. And we have great experts of Sahaja Yoga in New York, that's one thing I must say, and they will tell you each and everything about it, the whole knowledge. You don't have to pay for it. Only little bit of time you have to give. These days we have watches to save time, but we save time to waste it. We have to save time to use it for our ascent and you don't need much time for this. About five minutes in the morning and ten minutes in the evening is more than sufficient but you must first learn and you all must become great masters of Sahaja Yoga. Next time when I come I hope I'll be able to see lots of people who have got realization through you. May God bless you all. Seeker: May I ask one additional question regarding this self-realization? When people ask what do I do as a Sahaja yogi, I had it explained what do we do, but they ask me what is this based on to make it work? Shri Mataji: Actually, it's a state of our being. Ones first state is of thoughtless awareness. The second one is doubtless awareness. So you have to rise up to that and then you know everything yourself. It's not much to explain because it becomes part and parcel of… Like, clearly, you can see this carpet. I can clearly feel when I am a realized soul about everything. So we have to rise up to that level. But not blindly.

6/7/1990

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Public Program. New York (USA), 7 June 1990. (Q&A transcript missing) I bow to all the seekers of Truth. At the very outset, I have to say that Truth is what it is. And we cannot change it, we cannot purchase it, we cannot transform it; also, we cannot know it only at a human level. You have to be something more to know the Truth, and the Truth is that: we are not this body, we are not this intellect, we are not our conditionings, our emotions, we are not our ego, but we are Pure Spirit. Another Truth is that there is an All-Pervading Power of God all around us which does all the living work. For example, we see these flowers, we take them for granted but see, from a very simple seed how these flowers have come up, and how we, from amoeba stage, have come to this stage. We don't think about it. We just take it for granted. So, it is very important, first, to understand that we do not know everything, that we do not know the Absolute Truth. If we all had known the Absolute Truth, there would not have been so many religions, so many problems, and so many opinions. So, something has to be done for us to be the Absolute. As it is, we have become human beings without putting any effort, effortlessly, because it is a living process of evolution. And the same living process of evolution is going to make us that Higher Being which we call as the Spirit. Every religion – whether it is Christian, Hindu, Buddhist – any religion, all of them have said the same thing that: seek the Eternal, and treat the transitory with the full understanding of its limitations. So, the first is to seek the Eternal. Unless and until you seek the Eternal, you cannot understand what the limitations of the transitory are. Same in the Gita also said: Yoga Kshema Vahaamyaham. First, you find your Yoga. You have to find your Yoga, your union with this Divine Power, and then I will look after your benevolence, that is Kshema, not before. You have to be connected. The other day, somebody asked me: "What is the role of prayer?" If you are not connected, then your prayer has no meaning. Like the telephone has to be connected. In the same way, you are to be connected, which is a living process, and which acts spontaneously. ‘Sahaja’ – Saha means ‘with,’ Ja means ‘born’ – born with you is the right to be united (that is the Yoga) with the Divine Power which has created us and which has brought us to this level that we are human beings. All other Yogas are part and parcel of the same (as I told before to many of you), that, when your car gets ignited, all the machinery in the car starts working, but if you artificially move the steering or wheels, the car is not going to move. So, all these Yogas which are today selling in the market are all artificial ones. You cannot sell it in the market, you cannot make money out of it, it is a simple thing that we must understand. Think of Christ, think of any one of them: Guan Yin, think of Buddha, think of any one of the Incarnations, Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, any one of them. How much money did they take for their work? But, we are bond so much by this idea that we have to pay for everything. You cannot pay for it. It is a living process. As I said, that, if you have to sow a seed, the seed as the power to sprout, and the Mother has the power to make it sprout. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga takes place. We don't pay anything to the Mother. It is your fundamental right to get Realization as human beings. This breakthrough has to take place. Today, I think is a very great day for me, because we are having such a nice combination of people of different varieties. And I have to tell you one thing: that with Sahaja Yoga you will get your Self-Realization, and you will know that your Self, your Spirit, is the manifestation of collectivity. It is a collective Being within us. So, when the Power that is here in the triangular bone (they must have told you about) which we call as Kundalini rises, pierces through six centres, and, ultimately gives you Self-Realization; by which it nourishes all the centres, connects all the centres, integrates all the centres, and these are the centres responsible for our physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual Being. And thus, you become the Spirit, and the nourishing power, the comforting power, the counselling power, and the redeeming power which is surrounding us get connected with you. It starts flowing through you. And then, on your fingertips, you feel all these centres, they are just to be decoding, you feel your own centres, and centres of others. So, who is the other? You become part and parcel of the whole. It is not just saying, it is not just the mental conception, but it really happens that you know that you are part and parcel of the whole. So, this God has created only one world. Only human beings think that we have this country, we have that country. Of course, every country that we have has certain varieties, and that was the necessity of creation because that creates beauty. That creates beauty. We all should not look like military people all of us looking the same, but that is just a beautiful thing that has happened that we all look different. But it is all skin-deep. What is Reality is that we are the Spirit, and that is why we have seen that we are making mistakes after mistakes, there is no balance in our life. Because there is no balance, there are problems like ecological problems. Then, we go to extremes in everything without understanding the limitations, we develop horrible diseases which are a curse, then, also we develop very bad habits like drug addictions and alcoholism; but once the Kundalini rises and you get fixed with that All-Pervading Power, you become so powerful that all these diseases disappear, not only that the diseases disappear only physical being, but also mentally you become so powerful that all bad habits disappear. I have seen people giving up drugs overnight, and that too, the very difficult people called 'English.' They have done it. Overnight they have been able to give up drugs. Now, we are powerful, but this power is of Love, so we are very dynamic as well as extremely compassionate and righteous. Nobody has to tell you ‘don’t do this’ and ‘don’t do that,’ you just know it, because there is light to see: the Light of the Spirit. Now, you see, people are claiming so many things, but the Truth is that you should find out: those who are claiming all these things – what are their disciples like? What have they achieved? What powers have they got? So, I have already told you that first, you become collectively conscious, then you can raise the Kundalini of thousands yourself. Like one candle which is enlightened can enlighten so many candles, you can enlighten so many people and that is how Sahaja Yoga is going to spread, and so many people are going to get enlightened. But, for that, we have to, first of all, accept that I cannot force Self-Realization on you. You have to ask for it in your freedom and in your glory, because this is Ultimate Freedom, for that, your freedom is to be respected. In this short lecture, one cannot tell you in all details about these centres, and if I have to tell you about it it would be a very long lecture which may not be possible. I would say that there are so many lights here, but supposing I want to tell you all about how this light has come, and how the electricity has come, and what is the source of this electricity? You would be really bored stiff. But, the simple thing is to put on the light, switch on the light. And then, in that light, you can see much more clearly how you are related to each other. So, this is for the emancipation of the whole world, and this is the last breakthrough we have to achieve, and that is so simple. Many people ask me: 'how can it be that simple?' Anything that is vital has to be simple. Like, our breathing is so simple. Everything that we have achieved through our evolution is all very simple to us. Like, a dog can go through a dirty place, but human beings find it difficult, they can smell it and they feel horrible about it. In the same way, everything that is vital we achieve in a very simple manner, and it has to work out. I don't know if they told you about the centres or not, but it's a long story I don't know (did you tell them? Yes.). So, she has talked to you about the centres, so I need not tell you about it, but when these centres are put into balance, integrated, and nourished, you really get rid of your troubles. For your information: already in Delhi (Delhi University), there are two doctors who have got their M.D. in curing some psycho-somatic diseases like asthma, epilepsy…also, we have some who have been cured of blood cancer and other kinds of cancer, and also, AIDS got cured. But, in that, only your power works, not Mine, it is your power. So, there is nothing obligatory, no obligations. Moreover, whatever I am, that I am, nothing so special; but, whatever you achieve is a great thing, and that is what: I think I have to bow to you when you receive your Self-Realization. But, in any case, I would like you to ask Me questions; but they should be relevant to the subject because I have not come here to take over anything or to ask for anything, but just give you the key of your Benevolence. So, I'll be very thankful if you could ask me some questions which are relevant so that I will try to remove your doubts before we do the session of raising the Kundalini and giving you Self-Realization (which takes hardly ten minutes altogether). So, I’d like you to ask me some questions.”

Public Program. New York (USA), 7 June 1990. (Q&A transcript missing) I bow to all the seekers of Truth. At the very outset, I have to say that Truth is what it is. And we cannot change it, we cannot purchase it, we cannot transform it; also, we cannot know it only at a human level. You have to be something more to know the Truth, and the Truth is that: we are not this body, we are not this intellect, we are not our conditionings, our emotions, we are not our ego, but we are Pure Spirit. Another Truth is that there is an All-Pervading Power of God all around us which does all the living work. For example, we see these flowers, we take them for granted but see, from a very simple seed how these flowers have come up, and how we, from amoeba stage, have come to this stage. We don't think about it. We just take it for granted. So, it is very important, first, to understand that we do not know everything, that we do not know the Absolute Truth. If we all had known the Absolute Truth, there would not have been so many religions, so many problems, and so many opinions. So, something has to be done for us to be the Absolute. As it is, we have become human beings without putting any effort, effortlessly, because it is a living process of evolution. And the same living process of evolution is going to make us that Higher Being which we call as the Spirit. Every religion – whether it is Christian, Hindu, Buddhist – any religion, all of them have said the same thing that: seek the Eternal, and treat the transitory with the full understanding of its limitations. So, the first is to seek the Eternal. Unless and until you seek the Eternal, you cannot understand what the limitations of the transitory are. Same in the Gita also said: Yoga Kshema Vahaamyaham. First, you find your Yoga. You have to find your Yoga, your union with this Divine Power, and then I will look after your benevolence, that is Kshema, not before. You have to be connected. The other day, somebody asked me: "What is the role of prayer?" If you are not connected, then your prayer has no meaning. Like the telephone has to be connected. In the same way, you are to be connected, which is a living process, and which acts spontaneously. ‘Sahaja’ – Saha means ‘with,’ Ja means ‘born’ – born with you is the right to be united (that is the Yoga) with the Divine Power which has created us and which has brought us to this level that we are human beings. All other Yogas are part and parcel of the same (as I told before to many of you), that, when your car gets ignited, all the machinery in the car starts working, but if you artificially move the steering or wheels, the car is not going to move. So, all these Yogas which are today selling in the market are all artificial ones. You cannot sell it in the market, you cannot make money out of it, it is a simple thing that we must understand. Think of Christ, think of any one of them: Guan Yin, think of Buddha, think of any one of the Incarnations, Shri Rama, Shri Krishna, any one of them. How much money did they take for their work? But, we are bond so much by this idea that we have to pay for everything. You cannot pay for it. It is a living process. As I said, that, if you have to sow a seed, the seed as the power to sprout, and the Mother has the power to make it sprout. In the same way, Sahaja Yoga takes place. We don't pay anything to the Mother. It is your fundamental right to get Realization as human beings. This breakthrough has to take place. Today, I think is a very great day for me, because we are having such a nice combination of people of different varieties. And I have to tell you one thing: that with Sahaja Yoga you will get your Self-Realization, and you will know that your Self, your Spirit, is the manifestation of collectivity. It is a collective Being within us. So, when the Power that is here in the triangular bone (they must have told you about) which we call as Kundalini rises, pierces through six centres, and, ultimately gives you Self-Realization; by which it nourishes all the centres, connects all the centres, integrates all the centres, and these are the centres responsible for our physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual Being. And thus, you become the Spirit, and the nourishing power, the comforting power, the counselling power, and the redeeming power which is surrounding us get connected with you. It starts flowing through you. And then, on your fingertips, you feel all these centres, they are just to be decoding, you feel your own centres, and centres of others. So, who is the other? You become part and parcel of the whole. It is not just saying, it is not just the mental conception, but it really happens that you know that you are part and parcel of the whole. So, this God has created only one world. Only human beings think that we have this country, we have that country. Of course, every country that we have has certain varieties, and that was the necessity of creation because that creates beauty. That creates beauty. We all should not look like military people all of us looking the same, but that is just a beautiful thing that has happened that we all look different. But it is all skin-deep. What is Reality is that we are the Spirit, and that is why we have seen that we are making mistakes after mistakes, there is no balance in our life. Because there is no balance, there are problems like ecological problems. Then, we go to extremes in everything without understanding the limitations, we develop horrible diseases which are a curse, then, also we develop very bad habits like drug addictions and alcoholism; but once the Kundalini rises and you get fixed with that All-Pervading Power, you become so powerful that all these diseases disappear, not only that the diseases disappear only physical being, but also mentally you become so powerful that all bad habits disappear. I have seen people giving up drugs overnight, and that too, the very difficult people called 'English.' They have done it. Overnight they have been able to give up drugs. Now, we are powerful, but this power is of Love, so we are very dynamic as well as extremely compassionate and righteous. Nobody has to tell you ‘don’t do this’ and ‘don’t do that,’ you just know it, because there is light to see: the Light of the Spirit. Now, you see, people are claiming so many things, but the Truth is that you should find out: those who are claiming all these things – what are their disciples like? What have they achieved? What powers have they got? So, I have already told you that first, you become collectively conscious, then you can raise the Kundalini of thousands yourself. Like one candle which is enlightened can enlighten so many candles, you can enlighten so many people and that is how Sahaja Yoga is going to spread, and so many people are going to get enlightened. But, for that, we have to, first of all, accept that I cannot force Self-Realization on you. You have to ask for it in your freedom and in your glory, because this is Ultimate Freedom, for that, your freedom is to be respected. In this short lecture, one cannot tell you in all details about these centres, and if I have to tell you about it it would be a very long lecture which may not be possible. I would say that there are so many lights here, but supposing I want to tell you all about how this light has come, and how the electricity has come, and what is the source of this electricity? You would be really bored stiff. But, the simple thing is to put on the light, switch on the light. And then, in that light, you can see much more clearly how you are related to each other. So, this is for the emancipation of the whole world, and this is the last breakthrough we have to achieve, and that is so simple. Many people ask me: 'how can it be that simple?' Anything that is vital has to be simple. Like, our breathing is so simple. Everything that we have achieved through our evolution is all very simple to us. Like, a dog can go through a dirty place, but human beings find it difficult, they can smell it and they feel horrible about it. In the same way, everything that is vital we achieve in a very simple manner, and it has to work out. I don't know if they told you about the centres or not, but it's a long story I don't know (did you tell them? Yes.). So, she has talked to you about the centres, so I need not tell you about it, but when these centres are put into balance, integrated, and nourished, you really get rid of your troubles. For your information: already in Delhi (Delhi University), there are two doctors who have got their M.D. in curing some psycho-somatic diseases like asthma, epilepsy…also, we have some who have been cured of blood cancer and other kinds of cancer, and also, AIDS got cured. But, in that, only your power works, not Mine, it is your power. So, there is nothing obligatory, no obligations. Moreover, whatever I am, that I am, nothing so special; but, whatever you achieve is a great thing, and that is what: I think I have to bow to you when you receive your Self-Realization. But, in any case, I would like you to ask Me questions; but they should be relevant to the subject because I have not come here to take over anything or to ask for anything, but just give you the key of your Benevolence. So, I'll be very thankful if you could ask me some questions which are relevant so that I will try to remove your doubts before we do the session of raising the Kundalini and giving you Self-Realization (which takes hardly ten minutes altogether). So, I’d like you to ask me some questions.”

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Public program, day 1,Barcelona ,Spain 15-06-1990 [Introduction in Spanish and singing until min. 13:20] I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that absolute truth is what it is. We cannot change it, we cannot organize it and we cannot sell it. And also we cannot know it through the human awareness. You have to become a subtler being. If I talk about the flowers and you think about the flowers you cannot get to the honey. When I talk about the honey still you cannot get the honey. You have to become a bee to get the honey. So you have to become the Spirit to know the Divine. We have come from amoeba state not to be lost, not to be destroyed. But what is happening today? I would like to tell you that we are sitting on a volcano of destruction. We have no idea as to how we are going to be destroyed from inside ourselves, not from outside. If you go to America which is supposed to be a very developed and affluent country, you feel shocked the way diseases have spread into that country. First time I went to America in the year 1973 and I told them about the disease called AIDS that it will be coming but they laughed at me. Then I told them all about all the false gurus, “who are making money out of you, befooling you." They were very pretentious people and anybody with a little bit [brain] can see that these are false people. But still in their ego they felt that these gurus are good because they can pay for them, like they can purchase the gurus. And that's how many people got lost with these gurus; they developed funny diseases like epilepsy, like mental problems, they became recluses. It's a very big area which is shocking that these horrible people, even Americans, started using people in the name of God and divine. Recently one of them was discovered again and he is now behind the bars. He made lots of money. Perhaps people are very simple and vulnerable; also I think that they are brainwashed or mesmerized. With these gurus diseases like cancer and all this were triggered. Now it is said that after some years 65% Americans, white skin people, will suffer from schizophrenia. And the black people are taking to drugs. So the black are also getting completely lost into drugs and their families are suffering. I do not know how these destructive forces are so much acceptable to people who have wisdom. I'm telling you about it because I've recently been to America and I was shocked that another disease I told them about 8 years back, called "yuppie disease" has started. With this disease people who are very ambitious, who are just jumping into materialism and are anxious to collect lots of money get lost. They are very futuristic people; they use their mental activity so much that their conscious mind becomes paralyzed. If they want to walk, unconsciously they can walk, but if they become conscious they become paralyzed. So there is no balance in their life. They go to extremes, use their mental capacity to such an extent that at the very young age of 35-40 years they become paralyzed. This is not only the area but also the family life, also the children, also the society - everything is [video interruption] in America; and ultimately the economics also. So the country which I saw prospering very fast is now, I think, at least 30% have become very, very poor, full of tensions. And the situation is so bad that they don't know how to live, how to exist, how to face life. So they are all taking to drugs; very high class people, the Mayor of Washington was a drug addict. So the way we are acting, the way we are running fast we do not know where we are we going to plunge into. So the time has come for us to just stop and see for ourselves what are we facing. On one side the ecological problems, on another side the political, the economical and the worst of all, the worst of all - the social problems. Now it is been predicted that in America within maybe 20 years time only the brown coloured people - Asians and Arabs, will live. So this is a serious thing and we have to think about our lives seriously. At the same time there is a seeking of the truth. Luckily we have people like Gorbachov who have finished the idea of war now, quite to a great extent. But still all these problems are there about to burst out in every over-developed country. I came to Spain about 15 year back. At that time I think it was just out of the Franco [period]. And now I feel that suddenly it's going up very much materially, expanding very much materially. But if the spiritual is not found out the source of these things will be lost. We have grown too much outside but we must find now our source, from where we have to get our energy to substantiate this growth. In these modern times the problems we have, we never had these problems before, in the ancient times. So we have to now understand that unless and until we find out the absolute truth and reality we cannot continue to live on this planet. Our children will have to suffer the [UNCLEAR] of our extreme behaviour. So what is the thing that is missing in us? Is that we have not yet reached the last state of our evolution; we are still at the point where we cannot know the truth. Somebody says, "This is the truth.", another one says, "This is the truth.", third one says, "This is the truth." And it’s a big fight. Even when we follow religion, different religions, there is no guarantee that you follow a religion you won't commit a sin. You maybe a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, anything, you all can commit sins because there is no inner limitation; there is no inner bondage within us to righteousness. Somehow every democratic country that I've been people have, their attention will fritter away and they do not face reality: what is going to come to them, they must face it now. And it is very simple to get your Self-realisation, to be the Spirit. It's very simple. Once you get your Self-realisation you can feel that All-pervading power which does all the living work and all the nourishment of humanity. For example, I've been coming to Barcelona so many years and I must say people do not understand what is so important for them. Every time for my program I have 400 to 500 people, no doubt, to see me, to listen to me. But what do you gain? You do not know that you can become something yourself. You have faith in me but you have no faith in yourself that you can be the same and you can have so much worth, every one of you. You do not know that you are capable of doing that, and that with a very little effort can make you that great thing that we call as a saint. Your life is not so cheap to be wasted away. Actually you are born in those times when it's so difficult, you are the ones who have taken birth to transform people and to bring peace, and to bring all that is bountiful, all that is benevolent. Each one of you can do it. This is the mechanism within you which has been explained to you already. Mechanism is called in Sanskrit as "yantra" and the technique is called as the "tantra" - how to work out this mechanism within yourself. And then third is the "mantra", means what prayers to be said for every centre. But all these [UNCLEAR] after Self-realisation, after you have made the connection. So the simple thing is to make the connection first of all, then establish it properly so you do not lose connection and then to know all the technique - that's all. You become your own guru. But I don't know why our wisdom doesn't tell us that these are precarious times, these are special times when you have to achieve it. I went to Russia only two years back; I'll tell you, Russia. And you won't believe, you won't believe - thousands and thousands came and they all settled down. One day Russia will be the most powerful country in the whole world. Their ministers, their Supreme Council people, they all came - they have no ego. Eight hundred doctors came to listen to me, to ask me for realisation because they've come to know that in India three doctors got MD in Sahaja Yoga. And this time their government has invited me. Our governments, democratic governments, they are busy fighting, that's all. But you people, you should understand what is to be done for yourself. You must know what you can do with your right and what you can help to transform this world. They are running from lamp to post, from this guru to that guru, to that guru. For what I don't know. You have to become your own guru. I'm sorry to say but Spain, among all 40 nations is the least number of Sahaja Yogis we have. What can they do for such a big country like yours? It helps you for your health, it helps you for your balance, it helps you for your mental condition, it makes you feel very dynamic and very compassionate. It empowers you, you get the powers. These are not my powers, these are your own powers. You have all these powers within you which can be used and which can be manifested, that you can give realisation to people. And in that light you see everything so clearly and you know the absolute truth. We have two-three thousand people in India in a conference from 40 nations and there is no quarrel, there is no fighting, such love. No use listening to my lectures. Unless and until you become something, what is the use? With your vibrations, with your realisation you can help your agriculture - it can become ten times more, you can help your business, in everything you become such a super personality. Only [issue] is that you cannot pay for it and that's what people don't like, I think. So many people told me, "Mother, make them pay some money so they will be involved." If you pay some money then [you] get involved. I think you are all seekers of truth and how can I say such a nonsensical thing. Today I wanted to give you this introduction so that you deal with the things with full understanding. I've been coming here for so many years. I've not been to the Eastern bloc as yet, all the Czechoslovakia, Poland and Bulgaria, all these nations. But will you believe that in Romania there were 8000 people who came just to a program of one Sahaja Yogi? You yourself can be Sahaja Yogis, you can be all that, no doubt about it. But one thing: you must know your value, you must know what you are, why you have become human beings and what you can achieve. Only they ask questions, that's all. What is the use of asking questions and not getting into it properly and see for yourself how glorious you are, how great you are. As a mother I love you very much and I'll go out of the way, whatever is possible, to work it out for you. But you must also cooperate. But you must understand yourself that it is very important, these are the most important times in the history of spirituality. At the same time falsehood has come also and they don't talk against each other at all. As Christ has said, "The house of Satan won't speak against each other." Their only aim is to make money somehow. So today I am before you and I request you today that when you are here to listen to my lecture all of you, you should all become great Sahaja Yogis when I come next year. When I heard there are 14 people only I was saying, "Oh, God. Every time I come here, I must have come here at least eight years and now [having] only 14 people." Even in Colombia there are thousands. They are also Spanish people. How have they learned so much wisdom in Colombia? So, I request you, again and again, please feel my concern, I'm concerned for you all. How much Sahaja Yoga is going to help you, your country and the world I cannot tell you in this lecture but tomorrow I'll let you that how this transformation is going to trigger the new age to come in. But today you must make all determined efforts to decide that you are going to working it out and that you are going to become what you are. All the blessings, all the love of God is just waiting to shower on you. All that is promised in all the scriptures is going to be fulfilled. And this divine power is so expert, so loving, so caring, so intelligent and so nourishing that once you get in connection you'll be filled with complete joy and complete knowledge. I of course would like you to ask me some questions. But questions should be relevant. Unnecessarily asking stupid questions is not going to give you any help. And if you people do not want Sahaja Yoga, if you don't want to become what you are, nobody can force you. It cannot be forced. It's a living process, like a seed if you put it in the Mother Earth it sprouts. But you cannot force the seed, you have to put it to the Mother Earth. So I would request you now to decide that you are going to take your Self-realisation and you are going to develop yourself into that greatness about which I am talking. We have got people now from Switzerland, from France, from all over. Now we have to take Spanish people all over. They are all over; they are in America, everywhere but not as Sahaja Yogis. So if it works in Spain it will work in all the Spanish people all over the world. I am not being able to understand what is the matter with the Spanish. I would request you people to tell me what's the matter. Alright. Let's have the questions. Question: Why did you say there is no spirituality in Spain? Shri Mataji: I didn't tell that there is no spirituality, that's wrong. I said that you should know that you can become very great spiritually while in other countries people are becoming. If they were so spiritual they would not have problems with them, again and again. I'm saying there is such a potential here, such a potential. You come to listen to me every time, you get your realisation and then you get lost, this is the point I'm saying. Question: Can we lose the Self-realisation? Shri Mataji: Yes. With this Sahaja Yoga what I have thought of, that if you tell the persons to clear, work it out and wait for that thing to work you can only give realisation to one or two persons. So what I thought of that a system must be found out by which to give en-mass realisation; in the sense that you raise the Kundalini and pierce it somehow. So in that light you can see a little bit of truth, and some people immediately see, so you start seeing yourself. And in that way, when you start seeing what's wrong with you then you start correcting it yourself, I don't have to tell you. Like supposing, you are holding a snake in your hand and it is all darkness. And I tell you, "There is a snake, my child, there is a snake in your hand." but you won't listen to me because it's dark, you think it's a rope. But if there is a little light you see that and you throw it away. Overnight people have given up drugs, overnight alcoholism. When the kundalini rises and pierces through you get the actualization of the baptism. You start feeling the cool breeze out of your head, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost and you start feeling the cool breeze all around you. It's that power which you start feeling, you get connected with that power which is the All-pervading power of God's love. You start experimenting with your powers now. You'll be surprised that you can give realisation to others with your hands through your fingertips. [video interruption] granted first your problems are solved on your centres. So you become your own guru, you become your own master. But you must believe that you have got it. Once I was travelling by a ship and our captain told me there was one man who got to the fresh room and he's got pneumonia. I said, "Alright, I'll go and see him." He said, "No, I won't allow you to go there." But I had given him realisation so I said, "You just go and put your hand on his back and ask him to stop his breathing three times." And it worked. He was surprised, "How could I do, how could I do this thing?" And I said, "Why not? You can become just the captain of this ship." And I said, "But you are a saint now, you are a saint, you can do it. Believe me, now you can do it. Or you let it go, he dies." That's why I said you have faith in me but why not faith in you? You can become like me I'm saying, so why not? Why should be there diffidence? Russians don't have diffidence. You should not have any diffidence. That's why I'm saying the Spanish have diffidence. You can all become great saints, why not? Alright? So you have to correct yourself and put the put the kundalini connection nicely fixed; for which you don't have to pay at all. Question: Do we have to leave our family to follow Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Sahaja means "born with you", saha-ja, ja means "born", it's the right to become one with the Divine. This is Sahaja Yoga and all others yogas are inside it. Question: There must be another way to raise the kundalini. Shri Mataji: No, there is no other way out. As you can say that the seed has to be sprouted, the same way this has to be done. It's accepted by all: Hatha yoga, Patanjali has said the same, everybody has said the same thing: that's the Kundalini has to work it out. They've seen other ways also and there is no other way, only the kundalini which is like this one [the microphone]: it is kept here for the connection. If you want to use this one you have to connect it, isn't it? So this is the thing that is kept exactly for connection, means you connect it to something else. Like if there is a plug and the plug has to go into the socket. You may say, "Is there any other method of putting this into something else?" No, this is made like this. Now, it is in the sacrum bone. Sacrum is a word coming from Greek and "sacrum" means "sacred" so they knew there is a sacred power in this triangular bone. Also with some people, when there is obstruction in the higher centres then you can see this sacrum bone pealing like the heart, pulsating like that. And you can also see the rising of the energy, you can see it on your back; not on everyone - if there is an obstruction in the stomach and you can see it moving slowly, slowly. This is the thing especially made for connection and kept here for your rebirth. She is the expression of the Holy Ghost. And Holy Ghost is the Primordial Mother. You have the Father God, the Son of God and what about the Mother? So this is the mother, your individual mother, all of you have got this individual mother within you. She has recorded everything about you, she knows you very well. And she is the one who is anxious to give you your Self-realisation. Question: Many people don't feel the vibrations and they are anxious [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It is like one light which is enlightened, or a candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. Whosoever, may be very good, maybe very good for realisation, but if the candle is the best but if there is no enlightened light brought to that candle it won't get the light spread out. Question: Can one enlighten himself? Shri Mataji: No, he cannot, except for incarnations like Buddha, like Mahavira, like them, people who already know everything about it, they just get it; except for them. But there could be people who are born realised. There are but they don't know about the technique. So though they are very good they suffer, they cannot protect themselves. And they cannot help people much because they don't know the technique. And these days there are many people who are born realised but their parents don't know what about it, so there is no proper rapport. So, in any case you have to have full knowledge. Even if you are a born realised person you have to have the full knowledge as to what you are. Otherwise one may suffer. The saints have all suffered for this. Question: There are some people who got their realisation from Saint Paul. Shri Mataji: Oh, that's wrong. Oh, my God! What was Saint Paul, that is just .... Imagine, Saint Paul was a man who was epileptic. He is the one who killed Stephen. And he is the one who has ruined Christianity. How can he [UNCLEAR] with Christ? If you read Khalil Gibran, he's written a complete chapter on Saint Paul. He is the one who organized Christianity like this, he is the one. If he had followed Christ, what Christ has said that you have to be born again, you have to become the Spirit, he would have become Spirit oriented. But first we went - I am also born in a Christian family - first we went power orientated, Christians. Because I was born in the Christian religion I know about it. First he conquered the whole world. In India people came with a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other. Was that Christianity? All over the world. But thank God, I should say that they didn't come to India and everything, otherwise I would have been here. If Columbus had come to India we would have not been there, none of us. And if you go to Chile and Argentina you won't find one single aboriginal, one single. And not in America either. So this is first thing. Then they became money orientated. It's all money, business, business, business. We are not Spirit oriented. Christ was neither power-oriented nor money orientated, he was Spirit oriented. He took his birth, as you know, in a very poor family, in a carpenter's house. He was born in the manger. And now what has he got to do with money orientation? [UNCLEAR] he just had some sort of an idea that it is a good platform: alright let’s have it - Christianity - and make some money. If he would had not come, thank God, we would have been better people and we would have all been spiritual, really spiritual, long time back. But now we have realised and now we are seeking the real ascend. The message of Christ was deviated. It is fact; it's sad but it is so. Question: What is the real message of Jesus Christ? Shri Mataji: It's very important. It's very symbolic, extremely symbolic. We have Christ here on the Agnya chakra. So now I tell you the whole thing very nicely, about the Christ, if you want to. And he was born on the optic chiasm, at the cross there. And when you awaken Christ then he sucks in the two institutions that we have: one is the ego and one is the conditioning. He does it. We have to pass through him, he is the Gate. These people asking questions how can be born? What's the use of asking question? Please calm down. Then he sucks in, this centre sucks in your conditioning and your ego. What actually is said about Christ - that he died for our sins and he suffered for our sins - is proved. Because when he is awakened our all sins are sucked in by him. But one thing is that he has suffered for us. Why should these people want us to suffer? Are we going to suffer more than Christ? He has suffered for us already. Like "you do all the suffering, give us the money". "Fast, don't eat food and give us the money." You should think. Christ is not illogical, he is logical. You go and see the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo was a realized soul - saw Christ as a huge big thing. So Michelangelo could see [UNCLEAR] really. But there is a table below; on that they've put a skeleton of Christ - absolutely sickly, horrible - by the church. Can a person like that carry the cross? They want to show that he was so miserable. Why? A divine person can never be miserable. He is the healthiest of healthiest; he is the brightest of brightest. So they want to show Christ to be some sort of a tuberculosis patient and we have to tolerate it. Think about it. Question: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Now the time has come for you to get your realisation and know the aim in your life; it is in you, within you. Question: Can you achieve realisation through Raja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Now the Raja Yoga that people are talking outside is artificial and I'll tell you how. It is when the kundalini rises all the centres open to allow the kundalini to rise and then they close, it's a [UNCLEAR] they call it. And when it comes here also [Vishuddhi] it opens and then it closes down so the tongue is little bit pulled inside. It's a living process; like in a car: when you ignite the car automatically all the machinery works, automatically. So when the kundalini starts moving the Raja Yoga starts working the machinery. But the Raja Yoga they are selling nowadays is like without starting the car you move the wheels. I went to America first time and I saw some Indians doctors with their threads cut and their tongues dangling like dolls. And they wrote - because they couldn't speak - they wrote on a paper to tell me that they were in Raja Yoga and to do the khechari, to push back the tongue they have cut it. And they made a case of these people so they have stopped that part. So by doing artificial things you cannot start the kundalini. Hatha Yoga also is "Ha-tha", "ha" means "the right side nadi" and [tha] - the left side nadi, both are to be used, not only the right side. And in the Patanjali book, it is so big - like that - it is Ashtanga, means there are eight parts. Only a very wee part is the Niyama Yama out of which a very, very little part is the exercise. But we too will prescribe you some exercises if you need something and help you, but after the kundalini has started. Because when the kundalini reaches the point where you see that there is something obstructing we should know how to open that. Supposing I'm coming all the way and on the way I don't know what traffic is like to that place, when in a car I'm coming. When I reach that point I'll know there is a jam. Without going up to that point how will I know? So, first the kundalini has to rise and you have to see what is the obstruction. Maybe you might have to do some exercises, maybe, but it's scientific. But Patanjali's Hatha Yoga mostly has dealt with Sahaja Yoga only throughout, nothing else. He has said we need to do three stages: one is Savikalpa samadhi, Avikalpa Samadhi and Nirvikalpa Samadhi, that’s three stages, to go through these three stages of awareness, the same as we do. First you become thoughtlessly aware .... No, first [UNCLEAR] for how to be aware, means now that I'm talking to you, with that you are getting aware. Second stage is thoughtlessly aware and the third stage is doubtlessly aware - then nobody ask questions and you become. You stand here [Shri Mataji points next to her] and he is there, when you have all the powers. Question: I'm a Christian and Sahaja Yoghini. Can we read the Bible? Shri Mataji: Of course, read the Bible, of course, but not Paul. You can read Koran, you can read Bible, you can read anything. All these scriptures are true, they all can be proved. Even in Koran Mohammad Sahib has said that, "At the time of Resurrection your hands will speak." He has talked of Resurrection, that means he didn't say that, "I'm the last." which Muslims are saying and killing left and right in the name of God. Fundamentalism is against God. Fanaticism is also against God. All of them came like beautiful flowers on the Tree of Life, all of them. But we removed them, the flowers, and with the flowers that are dead we say, "This is mine", "this is mine", everybody thinks no end of themselves. If you see, Christians are the worst and they are the chosen ones. And the Christians think Jews are the worst. And Muslims think the same way about Hindus, the Hindus think about the Muslims; everybody thinks they are going to heaven. [UNCLEAR] one and the same. Because they were born in one religion they have become blind like that. In Sahaja Yoga we respect all the religions, all the great prophets, all the great incarnations and we know their connections very well. Christ has said that, "Those who are not against me are with me." Who are those? He didn't say that, "I am the only one." Of course, he was the Son of God but it is to be proved. In Sahaja Yoga it is proved that he was the Son of God. It is not just because he said so, because it is a fact. You really become a real Christian and you become baptized actually, not artificially. These are all man-made things, like man-made fabric. Question: How do you get realisation? Shri Mataji: Alright. That's the thing I wanted. Somebody should say that. You all want your Self-realisation? Excellent. And then you have to promise that you are all going to become great Sahaja Yogis and you are all going to save your country. It will hardly take ten minutes, that’s all. And as I’ve told you, you are all capable. There are two conditions. The first one is that you must believe you are absolutely capable and that you are not at all guilty of anything. This conditioning is too much: I'm a Christian, and I'm guilty of this and that – you are not guilty of anything. After all, you are human beings, you are not God. And only human beings can do mistakes. So first of all you have to believe that you are not at all guilty of anything. Please forgive yourself fully because if you feel guilty the centre here, left side here, catches very badly and the kundalini cannot go move up but you get diseases like angina, spondylitis, horrible diseases. So this is a myth, you have to respect yourself and not to feel guilty at all. This is going to help very much. Second part is that you have to forgive everyone. You may say that to forgive everyone is very difficult but it is a myth. If you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything, isn’t it? What do you do? But when you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands; you torture yourself and the person who wants to torture is a happy person. So [UNCLEAR, out with him], just forgive so that he cannot have again hands on you, solved, that's the trick. But if you don’t forgive, again this centre I’ve told you, the optic chiasm, won't open up. It is the most constricted centre of our resurrection. So to make it easy for Christ to be awakened you have to open this centre nicely, this is the gate. And if you do forgive then this centre doesn't open and it's very hard for me. These are the only two conditions. Now please take out your shoes because the Mother Earth helps us a lot. Now be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, don't be angry with yourself at all. And you have to respect yourself and love yourself because you are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. So now, tomorrow I'll tell you about .... He's already told you about the nadis. So the left hand should be put towards me like this, it will symbolize that you want your Self-realisation. Now the right hand .... Be comfortable, keep it on your lap, must be comfortable. And now you sit in a way that you are comfortable, not too much bending or too much going backwards but comfortable. So put the left hand towards me very comfortably on your lap and we have to use the right hand for giving vibrations, or you can say for giving nourishment, to our different centres. First I will show you and then you will close your eyes and we'll work out the ascent of the kundalini. So now you please put your hand on your heart. Remember that we are only working on the left-hand side with the right hand. And the left hand is towards me and both the feet are apart from each other. In the heart resides the Spirit. Then you put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery, as I've told you that you become your own master. Now take your hand down in the lower portion of your abdomen. This is the centre of manifesting pure knowledge on your central nervous system, means by which you develop a new dimension in your awareness of collective consciousness. Now raise again your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Now raise your right hand in the heart. Now take your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder as far as possible and turn your head to your right. This is the centre you catch when you feel guilty. Now please take your right hand up to your forehead across and put down your head on it as much as you can and press it on both the sides. This is the centre for forgiving everyone. Now take back your right hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible upwards. Here now without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power. It's only for your own satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand upwards and put the centre of your palm on top of your head, on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now you bend your head properly and push back your fingers as much as you can because it has to put pressure on your scalp. Now please move your scalp in clockwise manner, seven times, very slowly. That’s how we have to do. Now you have to keep your feet apart from each other and [left hand] on your lap and right hand on your heart. Now you can take out your spectacles if you like because you have to close your eyes and maybe your eyesight might improve. So now please put left hand towards me, right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to say, a question to be asked to me. You may call me “Mother” or “Shri Mataji”, whatever you like. Now you can ask three times a very fundamental question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask this question three times. Now if you are the Spirit you become your master in the light of the Spirit. So now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you ask another question three times, “Mother, am I my own master?” I must say that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you so you have to ask for it. Please now take your right hand to the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you have to ask six times because this centre has got six petals, “Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” Six times. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the kundalini starts moving upwards. So now we have to nourish the upper centres with our self-confidence. So please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you say with full self-confidence ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” I’ve already told you that the greatest truth is that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this intelligence and you are not these emotions, your conditionings and ego but you are your Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart again and with full confidence you have to say, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Say it twelve times, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” The Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love. It is the ocean of blessings and benevolence. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness so whatever mistakes you have committed can be easily dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and you turn your head to the right. And here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” I’ve already told you that if you forgive or if you don’t forgive you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive, if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and you suffer unnecessarily. Please now understand the discrimination. Take your right hand on your forehead across and press it on both the sides as much as you can by putting your head down. This is the centre for forgiving others in general. So do not think of any particular person but in general you say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” It is not how many times, but from your heart. Now take your right hand on the backside of your head and push it back, let it rest there. And now without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your satisfaction, you have to say to the Divine power, “Oh, Divine power, please forgive me if I have done anything wrong without my knowledge or with my knowledge.” not how many times but from your heart. Now stretch your hand, stretch you palm and put the centre of your palm on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Put down your head and stretch back your fingers. Carefully, please do it carefully, last time you didn't do it. And now press it hard, the scalp, very hard. And now move your scalp seven times clockwise slowly. But again, I cannot cross over your freedom so you have to say seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self-realisation.” because I cannot force it on you. Push back your fingers, push back. Put down your head. Now please open your eyes and take down your hand. Put both the hands towards me like this. Now watch me without thinking. Now put down your head and see if - bend your head - and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. It can be hot, heat coming out, doesn't matter in the beginning. A very [UNCLEAR] also can might get it further on but don't put your hand on your head. Now put your right hand towards me, please and please bend your head.

Public program, day 1,Barcelona ,Spain 15-06-1990 [Introduction in Spanish and singing until min. 13:20] I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that absolute truth is what it is. We cannot change it, we cannot organize it and we cannot sell it. And also we cannot know it through the human awareness. You have to become a subtler being. If I talk about the flowers and you think about the flowers you cannot get to the honey. When I talk about the honey still you cannot get the honey. You have to become a bee to get the honey. So you have to become the Spirit to know the Divine. We have come from amoeba state not to be lost, not to be destroyed. But what is happening today? I would like to tell you that we are sitting on a volcano of destruction. We have no idea as to how we are going to be destroyed from inside ourselves, not from outside. If you go to America which is supposed to be a very developed and affluent country, you feel shocked the way diseases have spread into that country. First time I went to America in the year 1973 and I told them about the disease called AIDS that it will be coming but they laughed at me. Then I told them all about all the false gurus, “who are making money out of you, befooling you." They were very pretentious people and anybody with a little bit [brain] can see that these are false people. But still in their ego they felt that these gurus are good because they can pay for them, like they can purchase the gurus. And that's how many people got lost with these gurus; they developed funny diseases like epilepsy, like mental problems, they became recluses. It's a very big area which is shocking that these horrible people, even Americans, started using people in the name of God and divine. Recently one of them was discovered again and he is now behind the bars. He made lots of money. Perhaps people are very simple and vulnerable; also I think that they are brainwashed or mesmerized. With these gurus diseases like cancer and all this were triggered. Now it is said that after some years 65% Americans, white skin people, will suffer from schizophrenia. And the black people are taking to drugs. So the black are also getting completely lost into drugs and their families are suffering. I do not know how these destructive forces are so much acceptable to people who have wisdom. I'm telling you about it because I've recently been to America and I was shocked that another disease I told them about 8 years back, called "yuppie disease" has started. With this disease people who are very ambitious, who are just jumping into materialism and are anxious to collect lots of money get lost. They are very futuristic people; they use their mental activity so much that their conscious mind becomes paralyzed. If they want to walk, unconsciously they can walk, but if they become conscious they become paralyzed. So there is no balance in their life. They go to extremes, use their mental capacity to such an extent that at the very young age of 35-40 years they become paralyzed. This is not only the area but also the family life, also the children, also the society - everything is [video interruption] in America; and ultimately the economics also. So the country which I saw prospering very fast is now, I think, at least 30% have become very, very poor, full of tensions. And the situation is so bad that they don't know how to live, how to exist, how to face life. So they are all taking to drugs; very high class people, the Mayor of Washington was a drug addict. So the way we are acting, the way we are running fast we do not know where we are we going to plunge into. So the time has come for us to just stop and see for ourselves what are we facing. On one side the ecological problems, on another side the political, the economical and the worst of all, the worst of all - the social problems. Now it is been predicted that in America within maybe 20 years time only the brown coloured people - Asians and Arabs, will live. So this is a serious thing and we have to think about our lives seriously. At the same time there is a seeking of the truth. Luckily we have people like Gorbachov who have finished the idea of war now, quite to a great extent. But still all these problems are there about to burst out in every over-developed country. I came to Spain about 15 year back. At that time I think it was just out of the Franco [period]. And now I feel that suddenly it's going up very much materially, expanding very much materially. But if the spiritual is not found out the source of these things will be lost. We have grown too much outside but we must find now our source, from where we have to get our energy to substantiate this growth. In these modern times the problems we have, we never had these problems before, in the ancient times. So we have to now understand that unless and until we find out the absolute truth and reality we cannot continue to live on this planet. Our children will have to suffer the [UNCLEAR] of our extreme behaviour. So what is the thing that is missing in us? Is that we have not yet reached the last state of our evolution; we are still at the point where we cannot know the truth. Somebody says, "This is the truth.", another one says, "This is the truth.", third one says, "This is the truth." And it’s a big fight. Even when we follow religion, different religions, there is no guarantee that you follow a religion you won't commit a sin. You maybe a Christian, Hindu, Muslim, anything, you all can commit sins because there is no inner limitation; there is no inner bondage within us to righteousness. Somehow every democratic country that I've been people have, their attention will fritter away and they do not face reality: what is going to come to them, they must face it now. And it is very simple to get your Self-realisation, to be the Spirit. It's very simple. Once you get your Self-realisation you can feel that All-pervading power which does all the living work and all the nourishment of humanity. For example, I've been coming to Barcelona so many years and I must say people do not understand what is so important for them. Every time for my program I have 400 to 500 people, no doubt, to see me, to listen to me. But what do you gain? You do not know that you can become something yourself. You have faith in me but you have no faith in yourself that you can be the same and you can have so much worth, every one of you. You do not know that you are capable of doing that, and that with a very little effort can make you that great thing that we call as a saint. Your life is not so cheap to be wasted away. Actually you are born in those times when it's so difficult, you are the ones who have taken birth to transform people and to bring peace, and to bring all that is bountiful, all that is benevolent. Each one of you can do it. This is the mechanism within you which has been explained to you already. Mechanism is called in Sanskrit as "yantra" and the technique is called as the "tantra" - how to work out this mechanism within yourself. And then third is the "mantra", means what prayers to be said for every centre. But all these [UNCLEAR] after Self-realisation, after you have made the connection. So the simple thing is to make the connection first of all, then establish it properly so you do not lose connection and then to know all the technique - that's all. You become your own guru. But I don't know why our wisdom doesn't tell us that these are precarious times, these are special times when you have to achieve it. I went to Russia only two years back; I'll tell you, Russia. And you won't believe, you won't believe - thousands and thousands came and they all settled down. One day Russia will be the most powerful country in the whole world. Their ministers, their Supreme Council people, they all came - they have no ego. Eight hundred doctors came to listen to me, to ask me for realisation because they've come to know that in India three doctors got MD in Sahaja Yoga. And this time their government has invited me. Our governments, democratic governments, they are busy fighting, that's all. But you people, you should understand what is to be done for yourself. You must know what you can do with your right and what you can help to transform this world. They are running from lamp to post, from this guru to that guru, to that guru. For what I don't know. You have to become your own guru. I'm sorry to say but Spain, among all 40 nations is the least number of Sahaja Yogis we have. What can they do for such a big country like yours? It helps you for your health, it helps you for your balance, it helps you for your mental condition, it makes you feel very dynamic and very compassionate. It empowers you, you get the powers. These are not my powers, these are your own powers. You have all these powers within you which can be used and which can be manifested, that you can give realisation to people. And in that light you see everything so clearly and you know the absolute truth. We have two-three thousand people in India in a conference from 40 nations and there is no quarrel, there is no fighting, such love. No use listening to my lectures. Unless and until you become something, what is the use? With your vibrations, with your realisation you can help your agriculture - it can become ten times more, you can help your business, in everything you become such a super personality. Only [issue] is that you cannot pay for it and that's what people don't like, I think. So many people told me, "Mother, make them pay some money so they will be involved." If you pay some money then [you] get involved. I think you are all seekers of truth and how can I say such a nonsensical thing. Today I wanted to give you this introduction so that you deal with the things with full understanding. I've been coming here for so many years. I've not been to the Eastern bloc as yet, all the Czechoslovakia, Poland and Bulgaria, all these nations. But will you believe that in Romania there were 8000 people who came just to a program of one Sahaja Yogi? You yourself can be Sahaja Yogis, you can be all that, no doubt about it. But one thing: you must know your value, you must know what you are, why you have become human beings and what you can achieve. Only they ask questions, that's all. What is the use of asking questions and not getting into it properly and see for yourself how glorious you are, how great you are. As a mother I love you very much and I'll go out of the way, whatever is possible, to work it out for you. But you must also cooperate. But you must understand yourself that it is very important, these are the most important times in the history of spirituality. At the same time falsehood has come also and they don't talk against each other at all. As Christ has said, "The house of Satan won't speak against each other." Their only aim is to make money somehow. So today I am before you and I request you today that when you are here to listen to my lecture all of you, you should all become great Sahaja Yogis when I come next year. When I heard there are 14 people only I was saying, "Oh, God. Every time I come here, I must have come here at least eight years and now [having] only 14 people." Even in Colombia there are thousands. They are also Spanish people. How have they learned so much wisdom in Colombia? So, I request you, again and again, please feel my concern, I'm concerned for you all. How much Sahaja Yoga is going to help you, your country and the world I cannot tell you in this lecture but tomorrow I'll let you that how this transformation is going to trigger the new age to come in. But today you must make all determined efforts to decide that you are going to working it out and that you are going to become what you are. All the blessings, all the love of God is just waiting to shower on you. All that is promised in all the scriptures is going to be fulfilled. And this divine power is so expert, so loving, so caring, so intelligent and so nourishing that once you get in connection you'll be filled with complete joy and complete knowledge. I of course would like you to ask me some questions. But questions should be relevant. Unnecessarily asking stupid questions is not going to give you any help. And if you people do not want Sahaja Yoga, if you don't want to become what you are, nobody can force you. It cannot be forced. It's a living process, like a seed if you put it in the Mother Earth it sprouts. But you cannot force the seed, you have to put it to the Mother Earth. So I would request you now to decide that you are going to take your Self-realisation and you are going to develop yourself into that greatness about which I am talking. We have got people now from Switzerland, from France, from all over. Now we have to take Spanish people all over. They are all over; they are in America, everywhere but not as Sahaja Yogis. So if it works in Spain it will work in all the Spanish people all over the world. I am not being able to understand what is the matter with the Spanish. I would request you people to tell me what's the matter. Alright. Let's have the questions. Question: Why did you say there is no spirituality in Spain? Shri Mataji: I didn't tell that there is no spirituality, that's wrong. I said that you should know that you can become very great spiritually while in other countries people are becoming. If they were so spiritual they would not have problems with them, again and again. I'm saying there is such a potential here, such a potential. You come to listen to me every time, you get your realisation and then you get lost, this is the point I'm saying. Question: Can we lose the Self-realisation? Shri Mataji: Yes. With this Sahaja Yoga what I have thought of, that if you tell the persons to clear, work it out and wait for that thing to work you can only give realisation to one or two persons. So what I thought of that a system must be found out by which to give en-mass realisation; in the sense that you raise the Kundalini and pierce it somehow. So in that light you can see a little bit of truth, and some people immediately see, so you start seeing yourself. And in that way, when you start seeing what's wrong with you then you start correcting it yourself, I don't have to tell you. Like supposing, you are holding a snake in your hand and it is all darkness. And I tell you, "There is a snake, my child, there is a snake in your hand." but you won't listen to me because it's dark, you think it's a rope. But if there is a little light you see that and you throw it away. Overnight people have given up drugs, overnight alcoholism. When the kundalini rises and pierces through you get the actualization of the baptism. You start feeling the cool breeze out of your head, the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost and you start feeling the cool breeze all around you. It's that power which you start feeling, you get connected with that power which is the All-pervading power of God's love. You start experimenting with your powers now. You'll be surprised that you can give realisation to others with your hands through your fingertips. [video interruption] granted first your problems are solved on your centres. So you become your own guru, you become your own master. But you must believe that you have got it. Once I was travelling by a ship and our captain told me there was one man who got to the fresh room and he's got pneumonia. I said, "Alright, I'll go and see him." He said, "No, I won't allow you to go there." But I had given him realisation so I said, "You just go and put your hand on his back and ask him to stop his breathing three times." And it worked. He was surprised, "How could I do, how could I do this thing?" And I said, "Why not? You can become just the captain of this ship." And I said, "But you are a saint now, you are a saint, you can do it. Believe me, now you can do it. Or you let it go, he dies." That's why I said you have faith in me but why not faith in you? You can become like me I'm saying, so why not? Why should be there diffidence? Russians don't have diffidence. You should not have any diffidence. That's why I'm saying the Spanish have diffidence. You can all become great saints, why not? Alright? So you have to correct yourself and put the put the kundalini connection nicely fixed; for which you don't have to pay at all. Question: Do we have to leave our family to follow Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: No, not at all. Sahaja means "born with you", saha-ja, ja means "born", it's the right to become one with the Divine. This is Sahaja Yoga and all others yogas are inside it. Question: There must be another way to raise the kundalini. Shri Mataji: No, there is no other way out. As you can say that the seed has to be sprouted, the same way this has to be done. It's accepted by all: Hatha yoga, Patanjali has said the same, everybody has said the same thing: that's the Kundalini has to work it out. They've seen other ways also and there is no other way, only the kundalini which is like this one [the microphone]: it is kept here for the connection. If you want to use this one you have to connect it, isn't it? So this is the thing that is kept exactly for connection, means you connect it to something else. Like if there is a plug and the plug has to go into the socket. You may say, "Is there any other method of putting this into something else?" No, this is made like this. Now, it is in the sacrum bone. Sacrum is a word coming from Greek and "sacrum" means "sacred" so they knew there is a sacred power in this triangular bone. Also with some people, when there is obstruction in the higher centres then you can see this sacrum bone pealing like the heart, pulsating like that. And you can also see the rising of the energy, you can see it on your back; not on everyone - if there is an obstruction in the stomach and you can see it moving slowly, slowly. This is the thing especially made for connection and kept here for your rebirth. She is the expression of the Holy Ghost. And Holy Ghost is the Primordial Mother. You have the Father God, the Son of God and what about the Mother? So this is the mother, your individual mother, all of you have got this individual mother within you. She has recorded everything about you, she knows you very well. And she is the one who is anxious to give you your Self-realisation. Question: Many people don't feel the vibrations and they are anxious [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: It is like one light which is enlightened, or a candle which is enlightened can enlighten another candle. Whosoever, may be very good, maybe very good for realisation, but if the candle is the best but if there is no enlightened light brought to that candle it won't get the light spread out. Question: Can one enlighten himself? Shri Mataji: No, he cannot, except for incarnations like Buddha, like Mahavira, like them, people who already know everything about it, they just get it; except for them. But there could be people who are born realised. There are but they don't know about the technique. So though they are very good they suffer, they cannot protect themselves. And they cannot help people much because they don't know the technique. And these days there are many people who are born realised but their parents don't know what about it, so there is no proper rapport. So, in any case you have to have full knowledge. Even if you are a born realised person you have to have the full knowledge as to what you are. Otherwise one may suffer. The saints have all suffered for this. Question: There are some people who got their realisation from Saint Paul. Shri Mataji: Oh, that's wrong. Oh, my God! What was Saint Paul, that is just .... Imagine, Saint Paul was a man who was epileptic. He is the one who killed Stephen. And he is the one who has ruined Christianity. How can he [UNCLEAR] with Christ? If you read Khalil Gibran, he's written a complete chapter on Saint Paul. He is the one who organized Christianity like this, he is the one. If he had followed Christ, what Christ has said that you have to be born again, you have to become the Spirit, he would have become Spirit oriented. But first we went - I am also born in a Christian family - first we went power orientated, Christians. Because I was born in the Christian religion I know about it. First he conquered the whole world. In India people came with a gun in one hand and a Bible in the other. Was that Christianity? All over the world. But thank God, I should say that they didn't come to India and everything, otherwise I would have been here. If Columbus had come to India we would have not been there, none of us. And if you go to Chile and Argentina you won't find one single aboriginal, one single. And not in America either. So this is first thing. Then they became money orientated. It's all money, business, business, business. We are not Spirit oriented. Christ was neither power-oriented nor money orientated, he was Spirit oriented. He took his birth, as you know, in a very poor family, in a carpenter's house. He was born in the manger. And now what has he got to do with money orientation? [UNCLEAR] he just had some sort of an idea that it is a good platform: alright let’s have it - Christianity - and make some money. If he would had not come, thank God, we would have been better people and we would have all been spiritual, really spiritual, long time back. But now we have realised and now we are seeking the real ascend. The message of Christ was deviated. It is fact; it's sad but it is so. Question: What is the real message of Jesus Christ? Shri Mataji: It's very important. It's very symbolic, extremely symbolic. We have Christ here on the Agnya chakra. So now I tell you the whole thing very nicely, about the Christ, if you want to. And he was born on the optic chiasm, at the cross there. And when you awaken Christ then he sucks in the two institutions that we have: one is the ego and one is the conditioning. He does it. We have to pass through him, he is the Gate. These people asking questions how can be born? What's the use of asking question? Please calm down. Then he sucks in, this centre sucks in your conditioning and your ego. What actually is said about Christ - that he died for our sins and he suffered for our sins - is proved. Because when he is awakened our all sins are sucked in by him. But one thing is that he has suffered for us. Why should these people want us to suffer? Are we going to suffer more than Christ? He has suffered for us already. Like "you do all the suffering, give us the money". "Fast, don't eat food and give us the money." You should think. Christ is not illogical, he is logical. You go and see the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo was a realized soul - saw Christ as a huge big thing. So Michelangelo could see [UNCLEAR] really. But there is a table below; on that they've put a skeleton of Christ - absolutely sickly, horrible - by the church. Can a person like that carry the cross? They want to show that he was so miserable. Why? A divine person can never be miserable. He is the healthiest of healthiest; he is the brightest of brightest. So they want to show Christ to be some sort of a tuberculosis patient and we have to tolerate it. Think about it. Question: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: Now the time has come for you to get your realisation and know the aim in your life; it is in you, within you. Question: Can you achieve realisation through Raja Yoga? Shri Mataji: Now the Raja Yoga that people are talking outside is artificial and I'll tell you how. It is when the kundalini rises all the centres open to allow the kundalini to rise and then they close, it's a [UNCLEAR] they call it. And when it comes here also [Vishuddhi] it opens and then it closes down so the tongue is little bit pulled inside. It's a living process; like in a car: when you ignite the car automatically all the machinery works, automatically. So when the kundalini starts moving the Raja Yoga starts working the machinery. But the Raja Yoga they are selling nowadays is like without starting the car you move the wheels. I went to America first time and I saw some Indians doctors with their threads cut and their tongues dangling like dolls. And they wrote - because they couldn't speak - they wrote on a paper to tell me that they were in Raja Yoga and to do the khechari, to push back the tongue they have cut it. And they made a case of these people so they have stopped that part. So by doing artificial things you cannot start the kundalini. Hatha Yoga also is "Ha-tha", "ha" means "the right side nadi" and [tha] - the left side nadi, both are to be used, not only the right side. And in the Patanjali book, it is so big - like that - it is Ashtanga, means there are eight parts. Only a very wee part is the Niyama Yama out of which a very, very little part is the exercise. But we too will prescribe you some exercises if you need something and help you, but after the kundalini has started. Because when the kundalini reaches the point where you see that there is something obstructing we should know how to open that. Supposing I'm coming all the way and on the way I don't know what traffic is like to that place, when in a car I'm coming. When I reach that point I'll know there is a jam. Without going up to that point how will I know? So, first the kundalini has to rise and you have to see what is the obstruction. Maybe you might have to do some exercises, maybe, but it's scientific. But Patanjali's Hatha Yoga mostly has dealt with Sahaja Yoga only throughout, nothing else. He has said we need to do three stages: one is Savikalpa samadhi, Avikalpa Samadhi and Nirvikalpa Samadhi, that’s three stages, to go through these three stages of awareness, the same as we do. First you become thoughtlessly aware .... No, first [UNCLEAR] for how to be aware, means now that I'm talking to you, with that you are getting aware. Second stage is thoughtlessly aware and the third stage is doubtlessly aware - then nobody ask questions and you become. You stand here [Shri Mataji points next to her] and he is there, when you have all the powers. Question: I'm a Christian and Sahaja Yoghini. Can we read the Bible? Shri Mataji: Of course, read the Bible, of course, but not Paul. You can read Koran, you can read Bible, you can read anything. All these scriptures are true, they all can be proved. Even in Koran Mohammad Sahib has said that, "At the time of Resurrection your hands will speak." He has talked of Resurrection, that means he didn't say that, "I'm the last." which Muslims are saying and killing left and right in the name of God. Fundamentalism is against God. Fanaticism is also against God. All of them came like beautiful flowers on the Tree of Life, all of them. But we removed them, the flowers, and with the flowers that are dead we say, "This is mine", "this is mine", everybody thinks no end of themselves. If you see, Christians are the worst and they are the chosen ones. And the Christians think Jews are the worst. And Muslims think the same way about Hindus, the Hindus think about the Muslims; everybody thinks they are going to heaven. [UNCLEAR] one and the same. Because they were born in one religion they have become blind like that. In Sahaja Yoga we respect all the religions, all the great prophets, all the great incarnations and we know their connections very well. Christ has said that, "Those who are not against me are with me." Who are those? He didn't say that, "I am the only one." Of course, he was the Son of God but it is to be proved. In Sahaja Yoga it is proved that he was the Son of God. It is not just because he said so, because it is a fact. You really become a real Christian and you become baptized actually, not artificially. These are all man-made things, like man-made fabric. Question: How do you get realisation? Shri Mataji: Alright. That's the thing I wanted. Somebody should say that. You all want your Self-realisation? Excellent. And then you have to promise that you are all going to become great Sahaja Yogis and you are all going to save your country. It will hardly take ten minutes, that’s all. And as I’ve told you, you are all capable. There are two conditions. The first one is that you must believe you are absolutely capable and that you are not at all guilty of anything. This conditioning is too much: I'm a Christian, and I'm guilty of this and that – you are not guilty of anything. After all, you are human beings, you are not God. And only human beings can do mistakes. So first of all you have to believe that you are not at all guilty of anything. Please forgive yourself fully because if you feel guilty the centre here, left side here, catches very badly and the kundalini cannot go move up but you get diseases like angina, spondylitis, horrible diseases. So this is a myth, you have to respect yourself and not to feel guilty at all. This is going to help very much. Second part is that you have to forgive everyone. You may say that to forgive everyone is very difficult but it is a myth. If you forgive or don’t forgive you don’t do anything, isn’t it? What do you do? But when you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands; you torture yourself and the person who wants to torture is a happy person. So [UNCLEAR, out with him], just forgive so that he cannot have again hands on you, solved, that's the trick. But if you don’t forgive, again this centre I’ve told you, the optic chiasm, won't open up. It is the most constricted centre of our resurrection. So to make it easy for Christ to be awakened you have to open this centre nicely, this is the gate. And if you do forgive then this centre doesn't open and it's very hard for me. These are the only two conditions. Now please take out your shoes because the Mother Earth helps us a lot. Now be very pleasantly placed towards yourself, don't be angry with yourself at all. And you have to respect yourself and love yourself because you are going to enter into the Kingdom of God. So now, tomorrow I'll tell you about .... He's already told you about the nadis. So the left hand should be put towards me like this, it will symbolize that you want your Self-realisation. Now the right hand .... Be comfortable, keep it on your lap, must be comfortable. And now you sit in a way that you are comfortable, not too much bending or too much going backwards but comfortable. So put the left hand towards me very comfortably on your lap and we have to use the right hand for giving vibrations, or you can say for giving nourishment, to our different centres. First I will show you and then you will close your eyes and we'll work out the ascent of the kundalini. So now you please put your hand on your heart. Remember that we are only working on the left-hand side with the right hand. And the left hand is towards me and both the feet are apart from each other. In the heart resides the Spirit. Then you put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, on the left-hand side. This is the centre of your mastery, as I've told you that you become your own master. Now take your hand down in the lower portion of your abdomen. This is the centre of manifesting pure knowledge on your central nervous system, means by which you develop a new dimension in your awareness of collective consciousness. Now raise again your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Now raise your right hand in the heart. Now take your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder as far as possible and turn your head to your right. This is the centre you catch when you feel guilty. Now please take your right hand up to your forehead across and put down your head on it as much as you can and press it on both the sides. This is the centre for forgiving everyone. Now take back your right hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible upwards. Here now without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power. It's only for your own satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand upwards and put the centre of your palm on top of your head, on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now you bend your head properly and push back your fingers as much as you can because it has to put pressure on your scalp. Now please move your scalp in clockwise manner, seven times, very slowly. That’s how we have to do. Now you have to keep your feet apart from each other and [left hand] on your lap and right hand on your heart. Now you can take out your spectacles if you like because you have to close your eyes and maybe your eyesight might improve. So now please put left hand towards me, right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to say, a question to be asked to me. You may call me “Mother” or “Shri Mataji”, whatever you like. Now you can ask three times a very fundamental question, “Mother, am I the Spirit?” Ask this question three times. Now if you are the Spirit you become your master in the light of the Spirit. So now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you ask another question three times, “Mother, am I my own master?” I must say that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you so you have to ask for it. Please now take your right hand to the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you have to ask six times because this centre has got six petals, “Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” Six times. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the kundalini starts moving upwards. So now we have to nourish the upper centres with our self-confidence. So please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you say with full self-confidence ten times, “Mother, I am my own master.” I’ve already told you that the greatest truth is that you are the Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this intelligence and you are not these emotions, your conditionings and ego but you are your Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart again and with full confidence you have to say, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” Say it twelve times, “Mother, I am the Spirit.” The Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love. It is the ocean of blessings and benevolence. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness so whatever mistakes you have committed can be easily dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and you turn your head to the right. And here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times, “Mother, I am not guilty at all.” I’ve already told you that if you forgive or if you don’t forgive you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive, if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and you suffer unnecessarily. Please now understand the discrimination. Take your right hand on your forehead across and press it on both the sides as much as you can by putting your head down. This is the centre for forgiving others in general. So do not think of any particular person but in general you say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.” It is not how many times, but from your heart. Now take your right hand on the backside of your head and push it back, let it rest there. And now without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your satisfaction, you have to say to the Divine power, “Oh, Divine power, please forgive me if I have done anything wrong without my knowledge or with my knowledge.” not how many times but from your heart. Now stretch your hand, stretch you palm and put the centre of your palm on the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Put down your head and stretch back your fingers. Carefully, please do it carefully, last time you didn't do it. And now press it hard, the scalp, very hard. And now move your scalp seven times clockwise slowly. But again, I cannot cross over your freedom so you have to say seven times, “Mother, please give me my Self-realisation.” because I cannot force it on you. Push back your fingers, push back. Put down your head. Now please open your eyes and take down your hand. Put both the hands towards me like this. Now watch me without thinking. Now put down your head and see if - bend your head - and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. It can be hot, heat coming out, doesn't matter in the beginning. A very [UNCLEAR] also can might get it further on but don't put your hand on your head. Now put your right hand towards me, please and please bend your head.

6/16/1990

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A divine computer

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1990-06-16 Public Program Day 2 in Barcelona, Spain Shri Mataji: I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday so many of you have felt the cool breeze, on the fingertips around your yourself. So one has to know that your spirit has come with your attention & has enlightened your attention. They are placed in your central nervous system now, you can feel these cool breeze. This cool breeze is the all-pervading power. It is the subtle power and you can only feel it when you get your connection with it. That is your spirit has to be brought into your central nervous system. I mean …your attention. Before realization, the spirit exists in the heart and watches every moment of your being. It allows you to do whatever you like. You want to do anything wrong also, you can do it and if you want to do anything good, you can do it. But once this light comes into you then you start seeing what is wrong and what is right. That is why the saints, they[ 10:53 unclear]were anything that was wrong. Now that, this light has come with your [unclear/attention ] and you can feel the all-pervading power, but this power [not so sure about this word/ thinks ]…It understands and it loves you! And When it starts going through you it becomes just like a divine computer. Now if you want to find out, What is the truth …You have to just stretch your hand like this. Now we want to know about an [unclear /God]. For example - If you just judge your hands and ask the question: Is that God? You will feel immediately another blast of cool air flowing on your hands saying Yes! You want to Know if Christ was the son of God? In the same way, ask the question and again you will find cool breeze will start flowing more …saying Yes It's the fact …that's the truth …Or supposing you want to find out about somebody who is a false guru or good guru. So you can put your hands and ask about him and if he is a bad man immediately you start feeling the terrible heat or maybe sometimes you might get a little blister for a while. So as it is said in Koran that your hands will speak. They start speaking. Now Christ will only actually stood …We should say …4 years then he cruised because of the rest of the man …He had to run away and live in India … And he preached only for 4 years. And 4 years is not any time to tell anything…Now I have been …say …coming to Spain for the last 15,16 years. But how many people have understood SahajaYoga…So you can understand how difficult it was before he has to say everything about the truth. So Mohammad sahib said something and after that also many came like Guru Nanka and Shirdi Sainath …They also explained lots of things. But despite all that there …all their work still …They could not put these ideas permanently into the heads of people because they were not realized, souls. They couldn't give them a realization. If they were realized souls, they were never [unclear/stood ]. Moreover whatever they told human beings to deviate from one extreme to another extreme… And so that they find the mess in the name of God. When God is, We have to find out with our open mind first of all.We can not outright say that he doesn't exist when we had not made any efforts…You find if he exists or not. So as I told you before, you should keep your minds open like the scientists and what I say comes true then you have to believe in it in an honest manner. The spirit is the source of knowledge…as pure knowledge. If you put 10 children who are realized souls and then analyse and ask them what's wrong with the person sitting before you? Then they will show you one single finger…all of them will show one single finger …Everybody will say the same. There won't be any difference of opinion …Because that's pure knowledge. In the same way yesterday they were trying to give realization to someone & they all told me he had a problem on Vishuddhi Chakra. Everybody said the same. And they ask him Have you got any problems here? Yes, they say And they have caught the Spondylosis. So this is what to see that not only physically, mentally, emotionally, you can immediately find out What's the matter with another person and what's the matter with him on your fingertips. But as your using a very little part of your brain, we are limited, very limited. But, with the awakening of the Kundalini, the power which is surrounding us also starts pouring into us and uses that space at which our awareness expands. Thus you become a dynamic person. Extremely dynamic and at the same time you are very compassionate… We have people in Sahaja yoga who came to us brought their children,[ unclear /and children are not doing good in their schools, they can not do well, they are useless 19:54 ]. But when they came to Sahaja yoga after that they come to me and they got scholarships, and they are doing so well…Many businessmen also were doing very badly and suddenly become a very big businessman. But they are not aggressive …Automatically it works for them. It was your understanding, your perception, everything becomes very real. And you understand how to work out everything. Then We have some musicians and some worried artists who overnight have become very great, very well known artist…They are mostly from India. I have yesterday told you that people have given up drugs, and alcohol overnight. So what happens is that spirit becomes a very powerful thing. And it gives you great power to overcome all your bad habits. You become very self-confident. Yes at the same time you are very humble. On …here I will tell you how these things happen …(Mother shows the chart at the back ). Already (some Sahaja yogi ) has told you that we have all these centres within us [unclear 22:17 ] And then this triangular bone has got the power within us …So this is got within you. It is all set very nicely in your evolutionary process. All these things were placed nicely in your being. Now you are just ready. You get your realization. But sometimes you are diffident or sometimes you are arrogant…So sometimes you go to your left side too much and sometimes you go to your right side too much. So I will show how this left and right are the 2 sides and how the centres are inside like that Now the left side works out your emotions,& your desires and right side your actions. Now supposing you are working very hard and at the same time you are very unhappy so what happens that this starts getting exhausted ..This centre …This energy gets exhausted …And sometimes you will get shocked it just gets separated. So your connection with the centre is lost …So this is left sympathetic, this is right sympathetic and in the centre is parasympathetic. In any emergencies, we use our sympathetic nervous system. And when …Suppose you are running very fast your heart will start running very hard …that means the action of this sympathetic. But it will be brought to a normal beat by parasympathetic. The heart is brought to normal. You can see … But we can not control parasympathetic. You can not [unclear25:42 ]. But after realization when the Kundalini rises that means …It passes through the centres and nourishes them so first of all you get the nourishment of the centres. Also it [26:13 unclear/ enlightens your brain]. Then, It also integrates properly and pushes them right in proper places …all the centres. And by nourishment, your health improves …and also your attention is brought to the centre and you become mentally very balanced. So also we have seen schizophrenia and other mental troubles are all also can be cured…[26:59 unclear] If the Kundalini rises and settles down properly. But once it is awakened then you have to see that it is awakened and is also properly fixed …So all the time there is the flow of that energy in you And then you feel absolutely all the time nourished and you feel very dynamic. As a result of the Kundalini awakening, is thoughtlessly aware in the beginning …The thoughts arise, the one, the second and you are jumping on the cusp of these thoughts, Which come from the past or the future…We have to be in the present. Because the past is finished and the future is not there. So when the kundalini rises the thoughts become linear, they become smaller, and the space between …which is the present opens out. So you are in the state which is called as the thoughtless awareness where you feel extremely peaceful. You start seeing like a witness…Everything …Like a drama. And don't feel type or any type of disturbances within you. Like a lake, which is ripple-less (there is no ripple in the lake ) All that is surrounding the lake is completely reflected in the lake. In the same way …Anything you see for example I see a beautiful thing here, I just watch it …there is no thought …no reaction… Only the beauty of the creation, the joy of the artist starts pouring from my head, soothing me down. So, we become very sensitive to the joy that is created by nature, by beauty by everything …Now any realized soul who has created any piece of art emits vibrations. Now supposing you are realized souls and you will go to [unclear /chapel ] then you want to feel the vibrations, the cool breeze [31:27 unclear]. You see Monalisa picture is so much respected and loved because she emits vibrations …So We have to, first of all, understand ourselves so well that we are sensitive to our vibrations… After that, you can not get diseases. You have a very long, happy, joyous life. And then you become like an instrument of God! Yesterday a lady came and ask to me that she wants to heal others and she wants to help others…I was very happy to hear that …So I told her that first of all you must master Sahaja yoga, you must become an expert. And then you should know how to protect yourself and then you should start giving help to others… /so that you are not affected. While you don't have to do much. You just have to raise the Kundalini, of another person and you will be amazed he will start improving gradually… After realization, you have prayers work wonders you will be amazed how your prayers are answered because you are in connection…When there is no [unclear 33:52/connection ]what's the use of telephonic God that do this for me, do that for me. So many miracles have happened, yes ! after Sahaja Yoga that I wanted them to write so they have written so many from there to there file and I don't know what to do? How will I read them …They are so many …Then I told you 3 doctors in India got their M.D in Sahaja Yoga. They proved it that it cures cancer, it cures epilepsy, it cures asthma some diseases. Also in London, we have a doctor who is a psychiatrist who himself was in a way …a drug addict…& now he becomes in charge of seven hospitals. And he is curing many people. There are 7 doctors in London who, are trying to [unclear/35:42 calculate ] how many people have cured of Sahaja yoga…Bu Sahaja yoga is not for curing …It is for making you spiritual, divine …Because you have to transform the whole world. When people will get transformed, they will become beautiful people, collectively conscious and very aware. And all the differences which are built in our selves by our conditioning's will disappear …Even the U.N has also now registered us as an authentic organisation. And in America, they have accepted Sahaja yoga as the Universal pure religion. And it encompasses all other religions. And beautifully explains all the great incarnations, prophets and saints. And it integrates all of them. So If you have to have one word then we have first of all become collectively conscious through self-realization. As this is the last breakthrough of our evolution, everybody should try to get in and establish themselves in the kingdom of God…And for these [unclear38:23 ] people who are serious, Who are wise, who are thinking of the whole world…I have met people who have foundations, Who have got noble prizes, this and all that, and they have no peace within. Extremely hot-tempered people …How can they be people who establish peace on this Earth? You can't even stand near them. They are so hot. Just can't bear them…And they treat that they will establish peace! Impossible! So we have to create this new awareness within us and a new race of human beings who will be within themselves will be peaceful and will be having the light of the universal being in their spirit.Now you have seen these people singing Marathi song, which is such a difficult language. Nobody can learn it but Marathi [unclear 40:00 ]. It's very difficult …It's next to Sanskrit …English use to come to India they spent 20 years to learn one sentence in Marathi. [ unclear /Help ! when they spoke nobody understood 40:32 ] what language they are saying. Not only this, but they also sing Sanskrit songs Which is difficult for the Indians …You see …Indian's can sing Spanish, English all kinds of the song but I think Spanish English is easier than these tongues- twisters. And they understand the meaning, they understand everything. They will surprise you…I myself surprised, first of all, to sing Indians song itself, Indian music itself, is so difficult. And they have composed, Swiss people have composed one song, in Hindi language and also have given a tune to it. Even with 15 years of the penance, no Swiss can be [unclear 42:04 ]. We are surprised that, really…because they do come to India to learn Indian Music and they are working hard. They don't know anything and its very difficult for them to do anything… Even the Indians start their music from the age of 3 years. So you can imagine how much It has helped people to understand each other …to learn thing so fat …Above all everything, it's the source of joy…Normally you find all the religious people…means they are …They look like somebody has died in their family. They are very serious and they talk very much. And if you have to talk some priest …you have to prepare yourself. While Sahaja Yoga brings you so normal, very normal …You become like children In Sahaja yoga we have got very highly placed people, we have the general of the [unclear /high court 44:05 ]. And some best of the [unclear 44:10 ]news agencies[unclear 44:19 ] and also we have the doctors, the artists, all kinds of people and also villagers. But all of them mix up with each other so easily, there is no class consciousness nothing…Because who is the other? We become part and parcel of one great god! We become, It is not just as a mental understanding We really become from inside It's not just oh We are brothers, We are brothers…No, We are really brothers! Happens from within …There is no asceticism. We don't have to leave your family, We don't have to run away from your houses, We don't have to give money anything…Whatever power you have you may use [45:52 unclear/some way]. This is your own …Actually, I have nothing to do with it..No obligations. Like one candle can enlighten another candle …In the same way, if you can enlighten me you can enlighten others. So today I think We should not have a question because yesterday there were many of them. Better have your realization first …But again I have to tell you one thing, that does not waste your realization. As Christ has said that - some sweet felt on the grass and some felt on the [unclear47:04 ] and some in the fertile lands… So Let us be spread in the fertile land…And Let it grows into big trees of Sahaja Yoga. You have no [unclear 47:39 /obligations/organisation ], you have no huge buildings or some people show off the …We have very simple livelihood people. But you have to come yourself, and know everything yourself, It would be your own right …When I come, you all come so many But then I think you do not think that you can become like me …My husband uses to say that you are [unclear 48:45 ] but I don't think you can [unclear 48:47 /make] any one life like you. And now we see all of them so much changed and transformed …He said in my honesty I must confess that really it has happened. So don't [unclear 49:13 ] youar personality please …and I hope next time when they are fallen all of you would be there and you really understand your own value and your own glory. I hope so, I also have very much desire that you all should be very nicely settled in your own powers …Your life is very important especially at this time. The purpose of life now …at this time is to become the spirit…Otherwise, you have no identity…Life will become completely wasted…I hope all these saints… you will understand how I am concerned and how I worried that once I have gone then you will not know about yourself …You all have become great people and that's what I want you to be…Because I love you very much I will be again and again coming here but I hope you will also love yourself …and know that you are really valuable in those days.May God bless you!Let us now have the self light!It will hardly take about 10 minutes.You can take out your shoes…And another thing as you know very well that I can not force self-realisation on you!I respect your freedom to choose.So those who do not want to have self-realization can leave the hall …Now Please …This is very simple as we have done yesterday …Put your left hand towards me like this…This is suggestive that …So be comfortable …And We are using the right hand to nourish our centres on the left-hand side …Now at today outset, I have to tell you the 2 conditions:The first condition is: very important that you will not feel guilty at all…Just forget the past …Whatever mistakes you have committed after all you are a human being you are not Gods. And this power, it is the ocean of forgiveness…and you can not commit any mistakes which can not be resolved by this power …So please believe me that you are not guilty ! not guilty at all. Those who have told you that you are guilty are the people who themselves are the sinners…The second condition is: that you have to forgive everyone …Forgive every one …Even the false Gurus…Forgive everyone …Not in a particular way …But in general…forgive everyone. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything …And if we don't forgive then you play in wrong hands and torture yourself …Moreover, if the kundalini rises, through this Agnya of christ It is a cross. It's very constricted. So you have to open it out. You have to forgive… otherwise, it won't open and Kundalini won't pass. Because I cannot forgive for you You have to forgive yourself… These are only 2 conditions :At least you should be very pleasantly [unclear] place yourself.Now the left hand towards me and the right hand towards your heart…We will show you how you have to do and then we will close the eyes…In the heart resides the spirit…Then you have to put your (You are working on the left-hand side ) hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Press it hard.this is the centre of your mastery. Now you put down your hand on the lower portion of the abdomen at the left hand This is the centre of the pure knowledge. Raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen again…Now raise it on your heart …Now put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder… And then turn your neck to the right.Now this centre catches when you are guilty and gives you enzyme and also Spondylitis. Please seeEverybody must do. All right Now put your right hand on your forehead across …And press it hard on both the sides putting down your head … And press it from both sides. This is the centre of which you have to forgive everyone… Take right hand to the backside of your head …And now push back your head. Here now, without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, you have to pray from the divine power for your own satisfaction.Now stretch your hand …and put the centre of your palm on the top of your head in the fontanel bone area It was the soft portion in your childhood. Now put down your head and press your scalp nicely …Push back your fingers. So that you can press well …Now move your scalp 7 times, slowly, move it 7 times, very slowly …Put the centre and stretch it nicely then press it hard … Now you can close your eyes …You can take out your spectacles …and … You have to put both feet apart from each other and sit comfortably … [Then Shri Mataji gave the realization to the seekers ]

1990-06-16 Public Program Day 2 in Barcelona, Spain Shri Mataji: I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday so many of you have felt the cool breeze, on the fingertips around your yourself. So one has to know that your spirit has come with your attention & has enlightened your attention. They are placed in your central nervous system now, you can feel these cool breeze. This cool breeze is the all-pervading power. It is the subtle power and you can only feel it when you get your connection with it. That is your spirit has to be brought into your central nervous system. I mean …your attention. Before realization, the spirit exists in the heart and watches every moment of your being. It allows you to do whatever you like. You want to do anything wrong also, you can do it and if you want to do anything good, you can do it. But once this light comes into you then you start seeing what is wrong and what is right. That is why the saints, they[ 10:53 unclear]were anything that was wrong. Now that, this light has come with your [unclear/attention ] and you can feel the all-pervading power, but this power [not so sure about this word/ thinks ]…It understands and it loves you! And When it starts going through you it becomes just like a divine computer. Now if you want to find out, What is the truth …You have to just stretch your hand like this. Now we want to know about an [unclear /God]. For example - If you just judge your hands and ask the question: Is that God? You will feel immediately another blast of cool air flowing on your hands saying Yes! You want to Know if Christ was the son of God? In the same way, ask the question and again you will find cool breeze will start flowing more …saying Yes It's the fact …that's the truth …Or supposing you want to find out about somebody who is a false guru or good guru. So you can put your hands and ask about him and if he is a bad man immediately you start feeling the terrible heat or maybe sometimes you might get a little blister for a while. So as it is said in Koran that your hands will speak. They start speaking. Now Christ will only actually stood …We should say …4 years then he cruised because of the rest of the man …He had to run away and live in India … And he preached only for 4 years. And 4 years is not any time to tell anything…Now I have been …say …coming to Spain for the last 15,16 years. But how many people have understood SahajaYoga…So you can understand how difficult it was before he has to say everything about the truth. So Mohammad sahib said something and after that also many came like Guru Nanka and Shirdi Sainath …They also explained lots of things. But despite all that there …all their work still …They could not put these ideas permanently into the heads of people because they were not realized, souls. They couldn't give them a realization. If they were realized souls, they were never [unclear/stood ]. Moreover whatever they told human beings to deviate from one extreme to another extreme… And so that they find the mess in the name of God. When God is, We have to find out with our open mind first of all.We can not outright say that he doesn't exist when we had not made any efforts…You find if he exists or not. So as I told you before, you should keep your minds open like the scientists and what I say comes true then you have to believe in it in an honest manner. The spirit is the source of knowledge…as pure knowledge. If you put 10 children who are realized souls and then analyse and ask them what's wrong with the person sitting before you? Then they will show you one single finger…all of them will show one single finger …Everybody will say the same. There won't be any difference of opinion …Because that's pure knowledge. In the same way yesterday they were trying to give realization to someone & they all told me he had a problem on Vishuddhi Chakra. Everybody said the same. And they ask him Have you got any problems here? Yes, they say And they have caught the Spondylosis. So this is what to see that not only physically, mentally, emotionally, you can immediately find out What's the matter with another person and what's the matter with him on your fingertips. But as your using a very little part of your brain, we are limited, very limited. But, with the awakening of the Kundalini, the power which is surrounding us also starts pouring into us and uses that space at which our awareness expands. Thus you become a dynamic person. Extremely dynamic and at the same time you are very compassionate… We have people in Sahaja yoga who came to us brought their children,[ unclear /and children are not doing good in their schools, they can not do well, they are useless 19:54 ]. But when they came to Sahaja yoga after that they come to me and they got scholarships, and they are doing so well…Many businessmen also were doing very badly and suddenly become a very big businessman. But they are not aggressive …Automatically it works for them. It was your understanding, your perception, everything becomes very real. And you understand how to work out everything. Then We have some musicians and some worried artists who overnight have become very great, very well known artist…They are mostly from India. I have yesterday told you that people have given up drugs, and alcohol overnight. So what happens is that spirit becomes a very powerful thing. And it gives you great power to overcome all your bad habits. You become very self-confident. Yes at the same time you are very humble. On …here I will tell you how these things happen …(Mother shows the chart at the back ). Already (some Sahaja yogi ) has told you that we have all these centres within us [unclear 22:17 ] And then this triangular bone has got the power within us …So this is got within you. It is all set very nicely in your evolutionary process. All these things were placed nicely in your being. Now you are just ready. You get your realization. But sometimes you are diffident or sometimes you are arrogant…So sometimes you go to your left side too much and sometimes you go to your right side too much. So I will show how this left and right are the 2 sides and how the centres are inside like that Now the left side works out your emotions,& your desires and right side your actions. Now supposing you are working very hard and at the same time you are very unhappy so what happens that this starts getting exhausted ..This centre …This energy gets exhausted …And sometimes you will get shocked it just gets separated. So your connection with the centre is lost …So this is left sympathetic, this is right sympathetic and in the centre is parasympathetic. In any emergencies, we use our sympathetic nervous system. And when …Suppose you are running very fast your heart will start running very hard …that means the action of this sympathetic. But it will be brought to a normal beat by parasympathetic. The heart is brought to normal. You can see … But we can not control parasympathetic. You can not [unclear25:42 ]. But after realization when the Kundalini rises that means …It passes through the centres and nourishes them so first of all you get the nourishment of the centres. Also it [26:13 unclear/ enlightens your brain]. Then, It also integrates properly and pushes them right in proper places …all the centres. And by nourishment, your health improves …and also your attention is brought to the centre and you become mentally very balanced. So also we have seen schizophrenia and other mental troubles are all also can be cured…[26:59 unclear] If the Kundalini rises and settles down properly. But once it is awakened then you have to see that it is awakened and is also properly fixed …So all the time there is the flow of that energy in you And then you feel absolutely all the time nourished and you feel very dynamic. As a result of the Kundalini awakening, is thoughtlessly aware in the beginning …The thoughts arise, the one, the second and you are jumping on the cusp of these thoughts, Which come from the past or the future…We have to be in the present. Because the past is finished and the future is not there. So when the kundalini rises the thoughts become linear, they become smaller, and the space between …which is the present opens out. So you are in the state which is called as the thoughtless awareness where you feel extremely peaceful. You start seeing like a witness…Everything …Like a drama. And don't feel type or any type of disturbances within you. Like a lake, which is ripple-less (there is no ripple in the lake ) All that is surrounding the lake is completely reflected in the lake. In the same way …Anything you see for example I see a beautiful thing here, I just watch it …there is no thought …no reaction… Only the beauty of the creation, the joy of the artist starts pouring from my head, soothing me down. So, we become very sensitive to the joy that is created by nature, by beauty by everything …Now any realized soul who has created any piece of art emits vibrations. Now supposing you are realized souls and you will go to [unclear /chapel ] then you want to feel the vibrations, the cool breeze [31:27 unclear]. You see Monalisa picture is so much respected and loved because she emits vibrations …So We have to, first of all, understand ourselves so well that we are sensitive to our vibrations… After that, you can not get diseases. You have a very long, happy, joyous life. And then you become like an instrument of God! Yesterday a lady came and ask to me that she wants to heal others and she wants to help others…I was very happy to hear that …So I told her that first of all you must master Sahaja yoga, you must become an expert. And then you should know how to protect yourself and then you should start giving help to others… /so that you are not affected. While you don't have to do much. You just have to raise the Kundalini, of another person and you will be amazed he will start improving gradually… After realization, you have prayers work wonders you will be amazed how your prayers are answered because you are in connection…When there is no [unclear 33:52/connection ]what's the use of telephonic God that do this for me, do that for me. So many miracles have happened, yes ! after Sahaja Yoga that I wanted them to write so they have written so many from there to there file and I don't know what to do? How will I read them …They are so many …Then I told you 3 doctors in India got their M.D in Sahaja Yoga. They proved it that it cures cancer, it cures epilepsy, it cures asthma some diseases. Also in London, we have a doctor who is a psychiatrist who himself was in a way …a drug addict…& now he becomes in charge of seven hospitals. And he is curing many people. There are 7 doctors in London who, are trying to [unclear/35:42 calculate ] how many people have cured of Sahaja yoga…Bu Sahaja yoga is not for curing …It is for making you spiritual, divine …Because you have to transform the whole world. When people will get transformed, they will become beautiful people, collectively conscious and very aware. And all the differences which are built in our selves by our conditioning's will disappear …Even the U.N has also now registered us as an authentic organisation. And in America, they have accepted Sahaja yoga as the Universal pure religion. And it encompasses all other religions. And beautifully explains all the great incarnations, prophets and saints. And it integrates all of them. So If you have to have one word then we have first of all become collectively conscious through self-realization. As this is the last breakthrough of our evolution, everybody should try to get in and establish themselves in the kingdom of God…And for these [unclear38:23 ] people who are serious, Who are wise, who are thinking of the whole world…I have met people who have foundations, Who have got noble prizes, this and all that, and they have no peace within. Extremely hot-tempered people …How can they be people who establish peace on this Earth? You can't even stand near them. They are so hot. Just can't bear them…And they treat that they will establish peace! Impossible! So we have to create this new awareness within us and a new race of human beings who will be within themselves will be peaceful and will be having the light of the universal being in their spirit.Now you have seen these people singing Marathi song, which is such a difficult language. Nobody can learn it but Marathi [unclear 40:00 ]. It's very difficult …It's next to Sanskrit …English use to come to India they spent 20 years to learn one sentence in Marathi. [ unclear /Help ! when they spoke nobody understood 40:32 ] what language they are saying. Not only this, but they also sing Sanskrit songs Which is difficult for the Indians …You see …Indian's can sing Spanish, English all kinds of the song but I think Spanish English is easier than these tongues- twisters. And they understand the meaning, they understand everything. They will surprise you…I myself surprised, first of all, to sing Indians song itself, Indian music itself, is so difficult. And they have composed, Swiss people have composed one song, in Hindi language and also have given a tune to it. Even with 15 years of the penance, no Swiss can be [unclear 42:04 ]. We are surprised that, really…because they do come to India to learn Indian Music and they are working hard. They don't know anything and its very difficult for them to do anything… Even the Indians start their music from the age of 3 years. So you can imagine how much It has helped people to understand each other …to learn thing so fat …Above all everything, it's the source of joy…Normally you find all the religious people…means they are …They look like somebody has died in their family. They are very serious and they talk very much. And if you have to talk some priest …you have to prepare yourself. While Sahaja Yoga brings you so normal, very normal …You become like children In Sahaja yoga we have got very highly placed people, we have the general of the [unclear /high court 44:05 ]. And some best of the [unclear 44:10 ]news agencies[unclear 44:19 ] and also we have the doctors, the artists, all kinds of people and also villagers. But all of them mix up with each other so easily, there is no class consciousness nothing…Because who is the other? We become part and parcel of one great god! We become, It is not just as a mental understanding We really become from inside It's not just oh We are brothers, We are brothers…No, We are really brothers! Happens from within …There is no asceticism. We don't have to leave your family, We don't have to run away from your houses, We don't have to give money anything…Whatever power you have you may use [45:52 unclear/some way]. This is your own …Actually, I have nothing to do with it..No obligations. Like one candle can enlighten another candle …In the same way, if you can enlighten me you can enlighten others. So today I think We should not have a question because yesterday there were many of them. Better have your realization first …But again I have to tell you one thing, that does not waste your realization. As Christ has said that - some sweet felt on the grass and some felt on the [unclear47:04 ] and some in the fertile lands… So Let us be spread in the fertile land…And Let it grows into big trees of Sahaja Yoga. You have no [unclear 47:39 /obligations/organisation ], you have no huge buildings or some people show off the …We have very simple livelihood people. But you have to come yourself, and know everything yourself, It would be your own right …When I come, you all come so many But then I think you do not think that you can become like me …My husband uses to say that you are [unclear 48:45 ] but I don't think you can [unclear 48:47 /make] any one life like you. And now we see all of them so much changed and transformed …He said in my honesty I must confess that really it has happened. So don't [unclear 49:13 ] youar personality please …and I hope next time when they are fallen all of you would be there and you really understand your own value and your own glory. I hope so, I also have very much desire that you all should be very nicely settled in your own powers …Your life is very important especially at this time. The purpose of life now …at this time is to become the spirit…Otherwise, you have no identity…Life will become completely wasted…I hope all these saints… you will understand how I am concerned and how I worried that once I have gone then you will not know about yourself …You all have become great people and that's what I want you to be…Because I love you very much I will be again and again coming here but I hope you will also love yourself …and know that you are really valuable in those days.May God bless you!Let us now have the self light!It will hardly take about 10 minutes.You can take out your shoes…And another thing as you know very well that I can not force self-realisation on you!I respect your freedom to choose.So those who do not want to have self-realization can leave the hall …Now Please …This is very simple as we have done yesterday …Put your left hand towards me like this…This is suggestive that …So be comfortable …And We are using the right hand to nourish our centres on the left-hand side …Now at today outset, I have to tell you the 2 conditions:The first condition is: very important that you will not feel guilty at all…Just forget the past …Whatever mistakes you have committed after all you are a human being you are not Gods. And this power, it is the ocean of forgiveness…and you can not commit any mistakes which can not be resolved by this power …So please believe me that you are not guilty ! not guilty at all. Those who have told you that you are guilty are the people who themselves are the sinners…The second condition is: that you have to forgive everyone …Forgive every one …Even the false Gurus…Forgive everyone …Not in a particular way …But in general…forgive everyone. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything …And if we don't forgive then you play in wrong hands and torture yourself …Moreover, if the kundalini rises, through this Agnya of christ It is a cross. It's very constricted. So you have to open it out. You have to forgive… otherwise, it won't open and Kundalini won't pass. Because I cannot forgive for you You have to forgive yourself… These are only 2 conditions :At least you should be very pleasantly [unclear] place yourself.Now the left hand towards me and the right hand towards your heart…We will show you how you have to do and then we will close the eyes…In the heart resides the spirit…Then you have to put your (You are working on the left-hand side ) hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Press it hard.this is the centre of your mastery. Now you put down your hand on the lower portion of the abdomen at the left hand This is the centre of the pure knowledge. Raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen again…Now raise it on your heart …Now put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder… And then turn your neck to the right.Now this centre catches when you are guilty and gives you enzyme and also Spondylitis. Please seeEverybody must do. All right Now put your right hand on your forehead across …And press it hard on both the sides putting down your head … And press it from both sides. This is the centre of which you have to forgive everyone… Take right hand to the backside of your head …And now push back your head. Here now, without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, you have to pray from the divine power for your own satisfaction.Now stretch your hand …and put the centre of your palm on the top of your head in the fontanel bone area It was the soft portion in your childhood. Now put down your head and press your scalp nicely …Push back your fingers. So that you can press well …Now move your scalp 7 times, slowly, move it 7 times, very slowly …Put the centre and stretch it nicely then press it hard … Now you can close your eyes …You can take out your spectacles …and … You have to put both feet apart from each other and sit comfortably … [Then Shri Mataji gave the realization to the seekers ]

6/17/1990

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Shri Mahavira Puja: Touch Your Depth

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Shri Mahavira Puja, Barcelona (Spain), June 17th, 1990. Today we have gathered here to do the puja of Shri Mahavira. [Interruption for technical problems] Today we are going to do the puja of Mahavira and we never had this puja before. The reason for this was that Mahavira’s life was an ascetic’s life, just like Buddha: even more than Buddha it would be. Because at the time when these two were born, the Brahminism of the Hinduism had taken a very funny form. People had become extremely ritualistic and they were worshipping all kinds of stones and all kinds of things instead of worshipping only the swayambhu. Shri Mataji, [apart]: Who is that fellow eating food at the time [of puja]? There is a gentleman who is eating food at the time of this thing, please tell him. The ascetic life of Mahavira was of a very, very extreme nature. He was the one who was born in a clan of warriors, kshatriyas, and then He was also married. Also, He had a daughter and then He decided — because He knew He had to do the work of the Divine — He decided to take a sanyasa. So, He took the permission of his brother, because his parents were dead. He was a king, so He gave up all his material wealth, everything, and He became a complete sanyasi. And He left his family, left his house, everything, behind and went alone with a little bowl for begging alms. And the people who joined Him were very few and He asked them that, “You have to also become ascetics, munis.” He was a reincarnation of Saint Michael and He resides on the Left Side, on the Ida Nadi, and He looks after the whole of it, right from Mooladhara onwards up to the Sahasrara. So, Saint Michael was born as Mahavira, meaning “The Greatest Warrior”. But when He was born, the whole place got a lot of prosperity, that’s why He was called as Vardhaman, to begin with. But his asceticism was there because of the Brahminism that was so prevalent in those days, and people were absolutely drowned into it. After Shri Krishna, these two persons, Buddha and Mahavira, both of them incarnated in India. As you know, their history is very far out because they were the children of Rama and they were two twins, called as Luv and Kush. So, Rama led a life of a very great king, benevolent king, and of lots of limitations: Maryada Purushottama. Because of that, people became extremely serious and also very closed — because of Rama’s following. Of course, after every incarnation, as they do not get their Realisation, they get deviated and start going to the extremes of everything. So, they went to the extremes and became very, very much, sort of, quiet people, wouldn’t talk to anyone and would be very formal people, because that was the life Rama had to lead. And because Rama left His wife, many people at that time felt that wife is not to be paid so much attention to. So, Shri Krishna came. Actually, Rama took birth as Shri Krishna to overcome these conditionings. And He said, “All this is lila. This is all a play.” And that it is a play and you should have pure heart and you can play about. As long as you have pure character, nothing can go wrong if you mix up with people freely. So, after Shri Krishna people started becoming very licentious and permissive and they created poems and things of Krishna’s love stories, which was all false. Because He lived with Radha at the age of five or six years, and in the Gokul. So all these false stories about Him were used for the licentiousness of the people. So, now, the situation was such, that the whole place was getting completely drowned into immorality. The priests, the Brahmins themselves, had become extremely immoral and were indulging into all kinds of corrupt practices. Not only that, but they took to tantric manifestations of using spirits and things like that, and became very self-indulgent. At that time Buddha, Lord Buddha and Mahavira were born to decondition people from this kind of an extreme behaviour. Because whatever the incarnations tried people always went to the extremes. So, they found out that people were very much indulgent in killing animals and eating flesh all the time and if you eat too much of flesh and all that you become a right sided personality and so then you become very aggressive and start killing others. Moreover the people who were very much attached to their family or to their children and all that, would not do the work of the Divine and it was a very intensive work which He had to do. So, He made very strict rules as Moses did. He said that nobody should kill any animal and eat it, first of all. Those who are becoming the munis or the bikshus should not even go on any bullock cart; should walk bare feet; should not even wear shoes. They should shave their head completely; should have only three changes, three dresses, with them, of a big tunic-like thing. Whether it is sun or rain they should not use any umbrellas. They should eat before six o’clock; before the sun sets. They should sleep only for five hours and all the time meditate and ascend and then try to do the work of the Divine. Then only they can do the work of the Divine. After they get their Realisation that, He called as Kevalagnyan (meaning) only the knowledge, only knowledge — means pure knowledge. They will develop "Samyak darshan", means ‘integrated personality’ and all the collective consciousness. He talked of all, all these things. But as He belonged to the Left Side, He has described Hell very clearly. Fundamentally, basically there are fourteen Hells according to Him and it’s horrible to read all that, what He has described, about Hell. Because He wanted to tell people that, “If you do all these wrong things you will go to hell”. And He talked about, not about God with form, but formless God, because He didn’t want people to again start ritualism but get right to the position where they could get their Self-realisation to cleanse themselves. So, you can imagine how difficult, in those days of Mahavira, it was, even to be one of the candidates for Self-realisation. It’s frightening for you! That’s why I never had this puja. Because to do all these things first of all and to become absolutely pure, then only He would give Realisation. I wonder how many got Realisation! But the way He made rules for people was so strict. Nobody would have followed Him, but He told them about the hell in which they will go if they don’t follow. So, they were so frightened that they joined Him and started following Jainism. ‘Jain’ means ‘the one who has known, who is enlightened — ‘gyan’. It’s the, the same word is ‘gnya' means ‘to know’. ‘Ja’ – it means ‘to know.’ Just like the Jews: is the same word is the ‘Jew’ — means also ‘the one who knows’. Moses also did the same. He didn’t say that you should not eat meat, but He said that if anybody is found with another woman he should be killed. The Muslims, they follow Sharia [which] is made by Moses, for the Jews, because they had become so self-indulgent. The Sharia that is followed by Muslims is made by Moses for the Jews because when He brought those ten commandments He found the Jews were indulging into all kinds of nonsensical things. But Jews very nicely put it on the shelf and the Muslims took to it. So now, this Mahavira style went to the extreme as usual. Even Lord Buddha’s — same thing. Mahavira was the one who said that you should not kill any animal. So now, in India, we have people who are absolutely abstaining from even killing bugs, and killing even mosquitoes. How far human beings can go to stupidity can be seen from this. Nowadays there’s a custom, very common in India, that they get hold of a Brahmin, put him in a hut and put all the bugs inside, and when these bugs have got completely fed up with the drinking of the blood of this Brahmin they just drop out. Then this Brahmin is paid a big amount by the Jains who have lots of money. They are vegetarians to such an extent that they don’t want to go to the bathroom, but they’ll go on some sort of an open space so that no animal should die — such ridiculous things they do. And in doing all this abstinence and all that, they are extremely money-oriented. Jains are just like Jews, in India. Jains and Jews are the same in their money-orientation. So, the Jains won’t kill even a bug or a mosquito, but they don’t mind harassing a man up to his death for their two rupees. So, this extreme temperament is seen in every religion, and that comes because human beings start moving like a pendulum from one end to another. An incarnation comes in, tries to bring them in the centre, but again they start moving on the other side. They cannot remain in the centre, this is the problem of the human beings. And this is why all religions look so funny. When you see the way the Jains are, I mean, you are surprised and you can’t believe how stupid they are — educated people, doctors. But they never know that, they never understand that they are stupid. So, this is the story of Mahavira where He has tried to bring in a kind… Linda will you please sit down. Who is that lady? Don’t move out. You shouldn’t get up and walk when I am talking. All right? Tell her. They are eating, they are walking about, will you please tell the Spanish to behave themselves. When I started Sahaja Yoga, if I had started like Mahavira, how many would have joined Me? Even when we have raised the Kundalini, you have got your Realisation, there is not much of detachment. Sanyasi meant that he had nothing to do with his wife, nothing to do with his children, nothing to do with his family or house or anything, possessions — no possessions. And they were given such a little to eat without any…just boiled food, just boiled and such strict order. But in Sahaja Yoga I have, first of all, raised your Kundalini without telling you any ritual, any what you can call strictness or anything about it: just, whatever you are, all right, get your Realisation. And I thought that by raising the Kundalini, by Self-realisation — I need not tell them about Hell — only by that, they will become quite detached and wise. But even now, what you find is that there are people who get married in Sahaja Yoga and just get lost. Either the wife dominates or the husband dominates or both of them get completely lost. Normally in the Western countries as soon as they get married first, second day they start quarrelling. And within one week they start talking about divorce. But in Sahaja Yoga, when they get married, they just get attached to each other like glues! Then there is no other interest left all the time thinking of wife, wife, wife or husband, husband, husband. Some want to go for honeymoon, someone to do it in a very big way with a reception and things. The importance is given so much, that it is unbelievable that whatever things we have left to come to Sahaja Yoga have become multifold. And this marriage system that we have started in India is becoming a headache to me now. Either they fight as usual and divorce or they get glued together — there’s nothing in between. They don’t understand that they have married for Sahaj Yoga and they have to use marriage for Sahaja Yoga only. But this attitude of Sahaja Yogis is very surprising because I always felt [that] after Self-realisation they will be automatically sanyasis from within; they will themselves be like Mahavira’s disciples. But what I find is that, still, they are always falling back into the same ocean from which they have come onto the boat! For example now, somebody was fond of seeing films or, say, football — of all the things football! So they are still busy with football, it’s become a craze with football! Or a picnic or a holiday or a sea resort. After Realisation how can you enjoy these things so much? That means you have not touched that depth within you yet. Your depth of joy you have not yet touched, still you have to touch it. Once you have touched that you really don’t care for anything, you just don’t bother for anything. You are so self-contented [that] you just enjoy your Self. But I do not know if I should tell you about hell and frighten you, or I should put restrictions on you. But this is the one, Mahavira’s puja, I have been avoiding, so far. Even the ladies had to take out all their hair, and wear only one white sari and one blouse, that’s all — no shoes! And also had to walk, never get into a bullock cart, leave alone cars. They had to get up at four o’clock, have their food till six only and then sleep off. There is forty days purgation when you have to only live on water — only water! Now in Sahaja Yoga it’s the other way round — it’s all enjoyment. You enjoy everything: you enjoy each other’s company, you enjoy music. There’s all enjoyment for you. But without touching your inner enjoyment you cannot ascend. You must touch your inner enjoyment and then enjoy everything else. And any hard word said, even one word said hard, they had to repent and go on fast for days together for saying one harsh word. But here people go, suddenly I find they are walking nicely and suddenly they get onto the horse of ego and start jumping on others. The whole scene is so jocular, I tell you, that I just watch: suddenly what was he? He was a nice fellow walking, just now. Suddenly, what has happened to him? Suddenly he’s started behaving like this! I never wanted to frighten you about the Hell but there is Hell, I must say. And so, one has to go deeper into your own enjoyment so that there is complete contentment. So, the things that are said about Mahavira, taken to the extreme: that one day He was meditating and He had only one piece of cloth on Him wrapped with a dhoti and He had covered Himself up with one piece of cloth. So, when He was coming out of his meditation his cloth got entangled with some bush, so He had to take off half of it. Then Krishna came to tease Him as a beggar. And He said, “You are a king and You can always get some cloth but I am shivering, so why don’t You give me this piece of cloth that You have?” So, He gave him his cloth and covered Himself with some leaves and went into his palace and changed Himself. Into his house and changed his clothes. So, these horrible Jains make His complete nude photographs so huge — a hundred and fifty feet height — nude absolutely nude. Into details they work it out, stupid things. And there are followers of His, so-called, He never had such followers but they call themselves as ‘Digambaras’, means they do not have cloth, but their cloth is all the directions – Digambara. ‘Directions’ are their cloth! And they walk on the streets, walk everywhere in the villages, absolutely nude. I mean horrible things people do in the name of Mahavira. Now as you have got Realisation, I am sure you won’t go to that extreme! But still you must learn to have self-discipline. If you have no self-discipline you cannot jump into that depth where there’s complete kevalgyan — means absolute knowledge, absolute love and absolute joy. So, this self-disciplining is very important. Of course, you need not go to the Mahavira’s extent now, because luckily I have given you Realisation, but still — do not go back to things which you have left. As men also do stupid things also women do it in Sahaja Yoga, which surprisingly people told me, that they carry so many make-ups with them to India! What is the use? I just don’t understand. I mean for Indians it is useless and it is absolutely useless for you also. You are saints! There’s no need to load yourselves with so many things unnecessarily. So, if you again indulge into the same nonsense that you have been doing: going to the hairdresser or looking funny in the hair, all sorts of things if you do, then what’s the use of coming to Sahaja Yoga? Or following any fashion and these things. If you are to do the same thing again and again it is better you don’t come to Sahaja Yoga. That’s all I can say. I cannot say like Mahavira that you shave your hair, or you wear just a white sari, but I can only say that — try to detach yourself. I was sure with my experiment that people, when they get Realisation, gradually they’ll get detached. And you all have to co-operate with me to see where is your attention. What are we doing the whole day? What have we done for Sahaj Yoga? How many people we have given Realisation? Everything seems to be important but Sahaj Yog. But Mahavira’s people did not do any jobs, nothing: they had to live in jungles, they had to beg for their food, and that’s how this Jainism has spread. But what sort of a Jainism it is I have told you already! So, unless and until you touch your depth you’ll become like any other religion, because you won’t be actually Sahaj Yogis, just nominal. So, we have to work in such a manner that we understand ourselves and we understand our attention and we try to ascend. I don’t have to tell you. You, yourself, have to work it out in such a manner that you touch your depth and you become an ascetic within yourself. Then only you will be really doing the Divine work properly with proper understanding. Sahaja Yoga is the integration of all these great prophets and these incarnations. So, I have to tell you that, whatever were your conditionings and all that, to get rid of them you must get out of this ocean of illusion. So, this is the only thing I can just now say about Mahavira. But lots can be said because He deals with the past. All His past lives and everything are described. But that is not so important, what is important is what is today, the present. I hope my lecture goes into your head and settles into your heart and you understand what you have to do about yourself, about your ascent. You have to be genuine people, then only it is going to show results in the whole world. I hope you will pass this tape to all the people so they should know why I didn’t have Mahavira’s puja all these years! May God bless you all.

Shri Mahavira Puja, Barcelona (Spain), June 17th, 1990. Today we have gathered here to do the puja of Shri Mahavira. [Interruption for technical problems] Today we are going to do the puja of Mahavira and we never had this puja before. The reason for this was that Mahavira’s life was an ascetic’s life, just like Buddha: even more than Buddha it would be. Because at the time when these two were born, the Brahminism of the Hinduism had taken a very funny form. People had become extremely ritualistic and they were worshipping all kinds of stones and all kinds of things instead of worshipping only the swayambhu. Shri Mataji, [apart]: Who is that fellow eating food at the time [of puja]? There is a gentleman who is eating food at the time of this thing, please tell him. The ascetic life of Mahavira was of a very, very extreme nature. He was the one who was born in a clan of warriors, kshatriyas, and then He was also married. Also, He had a daughter and then He decided — because He knew He had to do the work of the Divine — He decided to take a sanyasa. So, He took the permission of his brother, because his parents were dead. He was a king, so He gave up all his material wealth, everything, and He became a complete sanyasi. And He left his family, left his house, everything, behind and went alone with a little bowl for begging alms. And the people who joined Him were very few and He asked them that, “You have to also become ascetics, munis.” He was a reincarnation of Saint Michael and He resides on the Left Side, on the Ida Nadi, and He looks after the whole of it, right from Mooladhara onwards up to the Sahasrara. So, Saint Michael was born as Mahavira, meaning “The Greatest Warrior”. But when He was born, the whole place got a lot of prosperity, that’s why He was called as Vardhaman, to begin with. But his asceticism was there because of the Brahminism that was so prevalent in those days, and people were absolutely drowned into it. After Shri Krishna, these two persons, Buddha and Mahavira, both of them incarnated in India. As you know, their history is very far out because they were the children of Rama and they were two twins, called as Luv and Kush. So, Rama led a life of a very great king, benevolent king, and of lots of limitations: Maryada Purushottama. Because of that, people became extremely serious and also very closed — because of Rama’s following. Of course, after every incarnation, as they do not get their Realisation, they get deviated and start going to the extremes of everything. So, they went to the extremes and became very, very much, sort of, quiet people, wouldn’t talk to anyone and would be very formal people, because that was the life Rama had to lead. And because Rama left His wife, many people at that time felt that wife is not to be paid so much attention to. So, Shri Krishna came. Actually, Rama took birth as Shri Krishna to overcome these conditionings. And He said, “All this is lila. This is all a play.” And that it is a play and you should have pure heart and you can play about. As long as you have pure character, nothing can go wrong if you mix up with people freely. So, after Shri Krishna people started becoming very licentious and permissive and they created poems and things of Krishna’s love stories, which was all false. Because He lived with Radha at the age of five or six years, and in the Gokul. So all these false stories about Him were used for the licentiousness of the people. So, now, the situation was such, that the whole place was getting completely drowned into immorality. The priests, the Brahmins themselves, had become extremely immoral and were indulging into all kinds of corrupt practices. Not only that, but they took to tantric manifestations of using spirits and things like that, and became very self-indulgent. At that time Buddha, Lord Buddha and Mahavira were born to decondition people from this kind of an extreme behaviour. Because whatever the incarnations tried people always went to the extremes. So, they found out that people were very much indulgent in killing animals and eating flesh all the time and if you eat too much of flesh and all that you become a right sided personality and so then you become very aggressive and start killing others. Moreover the people who were very much attached to their family or to their children and all that, would not do the work of the Divine and it was a very intensive work which He had to do. So, He made very strict rules as Moses did. He said that nobody should kill any animal and eat it, first of all. Those who are becoming the munis or the bikshus should not even go on any bullock cart; should walk bare feet; should not even wear shoes. They should shave their head completely; should have only three changes, three dresses, with them, of a big tunic-like thing. Whether it is sun or rain they should not use any umbrellas. They should eat before six o’clock; before the sun sets. They should sleep only for five hours and all the time meditate and ascend and then try to do the work of the Divine. Then only they can do the work of the Divine. After they get their Realisation that, He called as Kevalagnyan (meaning) only the knowledge, only knowledge — means pure knowledge. They will develop "Samyak darshan", means ‘integrated personality’ and all the collective consciousness. He talked of all, all these things. But as He belonged to the Left Side, He has described Hell very clearly. Fundamentally, basically there are fourteen Hells according to Him and it’s horrible to read all that, what He has described, about Hell. Because He wanted to tell people that, “If you do all these wrong things you will go to hell”. And He talked about, not about God with form, but formless God, because He didn’t want people to again start ritualism but get right to the position where they could get their Self-realisation to cleanse themselves. So, you can imagine how difficult, in those days of Mahavira, it was, even to be one of the candidates for Self-realisation. It’s frightening for you! That’s why I never had this puja. Because to do all these things first of all and to become absolutely pure, then only He would give Realisation. I wonder how many got Realisation! But the way He made rules for people was so strict. Nobody would have followed Him, but He told them about the hell in which they will go if they don’t follow. So, they were so frightened that they joined Him and started following Jainism. ‘Jain’ means ‘the one who has known, who is enlightened — ‘gyan’. It’s the, the same word is ‘gnya' means ‘to know’. ‘Ja’ – it means ‘to know.’ Just like the Jews: is the same word is the ‘Jew’ — means also ‘the one who knows’. Moses also did the same. He didn’t say that you should not eat meat, but He said that if anybody is found with another woman he should be killed. The Muslims, they follow Sharia [which] is made by Moses, for the Jews, because they had become so self-indulgent. The Sharia that is followed by Muslims is made by Moses for the Jews because when He brought those ten commandments He found the Jews were indulging into all kinds of nonsensical things. But Jews very nicely put it on the shelf and the Muslims took to it. So now, this Mahavira style went to the extreme as usual. Even Lord Buddha’s — same thing. Mahavira was the one who said that you should not kill any animal. So now, in India, we have people who are absolutely abstaining from even killing bugs, and killing even mosquitoes. How far human beings can go to stupidity can be seen from this. Nowadays there’s a custom, very common in India, that they get hold of a Brahmin, put him in a hut and put all the bugs inside, and when these bugs have got completely fed up with the drinking of the blood of this Brahmin they just drop out. Then this Brahmin is paid a big amount by the Jains who have lots of money. They are vegetarians to such an extent that they don’t want to go to the bathroom, but they’ll go on some sort of an open space so that no animal should die — such ridiculous things they do. And in doing all this abstinence and all that, they are extremely money-oriented. Jains are just like Jews, in India. Jains and Jews are the same in their money-orientation. So, the Jains won’t kill even a bug or a mosquito, but they don’t mind harassing a man up to his death for their two rupees. So, this extreme temperament is seen in every religion, and that comes because human beings start moving like a pendulum from one end to another. An incarnation comes in, tries to bring them in the centre, but again they start moving on the other side. They cannot remain in the centre, this is the problem of the human beings. And this is why all religions look so funny. When you see the way the Jains are, I mean, you are surprised and you can’t believe how stupid they are — educated people, doctors. But they never know that, they never understand that they are stupid. So, this is the story of Mahavira where He has tried to bring in a kind… Linda will you please sit down. Who is that lady? Don’t move out. You shouldn’t get up and walk when I am talking. All right? Tell her. They are eating, they are walking about, will you please tell the Spanish to behave themselves. When I started Sahaja Yoga, if I had started like Mahavira, how many would have joined Me? Even when we have raised the Kundalini, you have got your Realisation, there is not much of detachment. Sanyasi meant that he had nothing to do with his wife, nothing to do with his children, nothing to do with his family or house or anything, possessions — no possessions. And they were given such a little to eat without any…just boiled food, just boiled and such strict order. But in Sahaja Yoga I have, first of all, raised your Kundalini without telling you any ritual, any what you can call strictness or anything about it: just, whatever you are, all right, get your Realisation. And I thought that by raising the Kundalini, by Self-realisation — I need not tell them about Hell — only by that, they will become quite detached and wise. But even now, what you find is that there are people who get married in Sahaja Yoga and just get lost. Either the wife dominates or the husband dominates or both of them get completely lost. Normally in the Western countries as soon as they get married first, second day they start quarrelling. And within one week they start talking about divorce. But in Sahaja Yoga, when they get married, they just get attached to each other like glues! Then there is no other interest left all the time thinking of wife, wife, wife or husband, husband, husband. Some want to go for honeymoon, someone to do it in a very big way with a reception and things. The importance is given so much, that it is unbelievable that whatever things we have left to come to Sahaja Yoga have become multifold. And this marriage system that we have started in India is becoming a headache to me now. Either they fight as usual and divorce or they get glued together — there’s nothing in between. They don’t understand that they have married for Sahaj Yoga and they have to use marriage for Sahaja Yoga only. But this attitude of Sahaja Yogis is very surprising because I always felt [that] after Self-realisation they will be automatically sanyasis from within; they will themselves be like Mahavira’s disciples. But what I find is that, still, they are always falling back into the same ocean from which they have come onto the boat! For example now, somebody was fond of seeing films or, say, football — of all the things football! So they are still busy with football, it’s become a craze with football! Or a picnic or a holiday or a sea resort. After Realisation how can you enjoy these things so much? That means you have not touched that depth within you yet. Your depth of joy you have not yet touched, still you have to touch it. Once you have touched that you really don’t care for anything, you just don’t bother for anything. You are so self-contented [that] you just enjoy your Self. But I do not know if I should tell you about hell and frighten you, or I should put restrictions on you. But this is the one, Mahavira’s puja, I have been avoiding, so far. Even the ladies had to take out all their hair, and wear only one white sari and one blouse, that’s all — no shoes! And also had to walk, never get into a bullock cart, leave alone cars. They had to get up at four o’clock, have their food till six only and then sleep off. There is forty days purgation when you have to only live on water — only water! Now in Sahaja Yoga it’s the other way round — it’s all enjoyment. You enjoy everything: you enjoy each other’s company, you enjoy music. There’s all enjoyment for you. But without touching your inner enjoyment you cannot ascend. You must touch your inner enjoyment and then enjoy everything else. And any hard word said, even one word said hard, they had to repent and go on fast for days together for saying one harsh word. But here people go, suddenly I find they are walking nicely and suddenly they get onto the horse of ego and start jumping on others. The whole scene is so jocular, I tell you, that I just watch: suddenly what was he? He was a nice fellow walking, just now. Suddenly, what has happened to him? Suddenly he’s started behaving like this! I never wanted to frighten you about the Hell but there is Hell, I must say. And so, one has to go deeper into your own enjoyment so that there is complete contentment. So, the things that are said about Mahavira, taken to the extreme: that one day He was meditating and He had only one piece of cloth on Him wrapped with a dhoti and He had covered Himself up with one piece of cloth. So, when He was coming out of his meditation his cloth got entangled with some bush, so He had to take off half of it. Then Krishna came to tease Him as a beggar. And He said, “You are a king and You can always get some cloth but I am shivering, so why don’t You give me this piece of cloth that You have?” So, He gave him his cloth and covered Himself with some leaves and went into his palace and changed Himself. Into his house and changed his clothes. So, these horrible Jains make His complete nude photographs so huge — a hundred and fifty feet height — nude absolutely nude. Into details they work it out, stupid things. And there are followers of His, so-called, He never had such followers but they call themselves as ‘Digambaras’, means they do not have cloth, but their cloth is all the directions – Digambara. ‘Directions’ are their cloth! And they walk on the streets, walk everywhere in the villages, absolutely nude. I mean horrible things people do in the name of Mahavira. Now as you have got Realisation, I am sure you won’t go to that extreme! But still you must learn to have self-discipline. If you have no self-discipline you cannot jump into that depth where there’s complete kevalgyan — means absolute knowledge, absolute love and absolute joy. So, this self-disciplining is very important. Of course, you need not go to the Mahavira’s extent now, because luckily I have given you Realisation, but still — do not go back to things which you have left. As men also do stupid things also women do it in Sahaja Yoga, which surprisingly people told me, that they carry so many make-ups with them to India! What is the use? I just don’t understand. I mean for Indians it is useless and it is absolutely useless for you also. You are saints! There’s no need to load yourselves with so many things unnecessarily. So, if you again indulge into the same nonsense that you have been doing: going to the hairdresser or looking funny in the hair, all sorts of things if you do, then what’s the use of coming to Sahaja Yoga? Or following any fashion and these things. If you are to do the same thing again and again it is better you don’t come to Sahaja Yoga. That’s all I can say. I cannot say like Mahavira that you shave your hair, or you wear just a white sari, but I can only say that — try to detach yourself. I was sure with my experiment that people, when they get Realisation, gradually they’ll get detached. And you all have to co-operate with me to see where is your attention. What are we doing the whole day? What have we done for Sahaj Yoga? How many people we have given Realisation? Everything seems to be important but Sahaj Yog. But Mahavira’s people did not do any jobs, nothing: they had to live in jungles, they had to beg for their food, and that’s how this Jainism has spread. But what sort of a Jainism it is I have told you already! So, unless and until you touch your depth you’ll become like any other religion, because you won’t be actually Sahaj Yogis, just nominal. So, we have to work in such a manner that we understand ourselves and we understand our attention and we try to ascend. I don’t have to tell you. You, yourself, have to work it out in such a manner that you touch your depth and you become an ascetic within yourself. Then only you will be really doing the Divine work properly with proper understanding. Sahaja Yoga is the integration of all these great prophets and these incarnations. So, I have to tell you that, whatever were your conditionings and all that, to get rid of them you must get out of this ocean of illusion. So, this is the only thing I can just now say about Mahavira. But lots can be said because He deals with the past. All His past lives and everything are described. But that is not so important, what is important is what is today, the present. I hope my lecture goes into your head and settles into your heart and you understand what you have to do about yourself, about your ascent. You have to be genuine people, then only it is going to show results in the whole world. I hope you will pass this tape to all the people so they should know why I didn’t have Mahavira’s puja all these years! May God bless you all.

6/18/1990

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A subtler consciousness

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Public Program. Vienna (Austria), 18 June 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the outset we should know that truth is what it is and we cannot change it, we cannot organize it. And the truth cannot be known only at the human awareness. It requires a subtler consciousness to know the truth. So what is the truth? The truth is that you are not this body and you are not your mind, you are not these emotions. Nor you are your conditionings or your ego. You are pure Spirit. And the second truth is that all the living work is done by a subtle power which is called as Paramchaitanya in Sanskrit language. Or we can say by the All pervading power of Divine Love. We take all living work for granted. We see these beautiful flowers that have come out of very small seeds, I mean, we never even think how this work has taken place. Then we see such a balance in the nature. A apple tree grows up to a height, a rosebush grows up to a height - who controls it? So when we try to think about it, we reach a point that we do not know everything. Also we do not know the absolute truth. Truth has to be one, but there are so many opinions, so many ideologies, so many religions, so many quarrels. Why should there be any quarrels if they are based on truth? So whatever I am telling you, you have to take a position of a scientist who has an open mind to know everything. And whatever I tell you, you have to take it as a hypothesis. And then if it is true then you have to accept it, as honest people. When you are told about this instrument within us we have to first of all get our Self Realization, the light in which we can know all about it. If we are sitting in the darkness we do not know how we are related to each other. Also when we are in dark we are under illusions. Supposing somebody is holding on to a snake in the darkness, thinking it to be a rope and you tell him that, "This is a snake," he won't listen to you. Till the snake bites he's not going to listen. So the best thing is to put on the light for him to see that this is really the snake. So first the light of your Spirit must come in your attention so that you can see what is wrong with you, what is wrong with others and what is wrong with the whole world. Our civilization has grown like a tree but we have not looked after the roots. We have to know what are our roots. And because of that we are facing so many problems today. You see them much more in the country like America which is really over-developed. The first and foremost thing they have is that they are all full of diseases. I told them about the AIDS in the year 1973, but they didn't like it. The same thing like the snake in the darkness. And also told them about 8 years back about a disease in which your conscious mind become paralyzed. Now they call it as a yuppie's disease. But when I went this time so many people have this disease and many people at a very young age are absolutely paralyzed. They are saying that very soon schizophrenia will spread in such a way that maybe you might have 60% Americans suffering from schizophrenia or mental disorders. There are so many other problems like the family system is completely broken down. And children under twelve years are taking to drugs in a very wider way. It is such a great scale of all these diseases that they don't know how to fight it. Andthe worst of all is the violence. In Miami there were children who were below 14 years and they had revolvers in their hands and they were selling drugs and killing people openly. There are so many problems now of ecological imbalances. Whom to blame? Not Divine. It's our mistake. It is a serious matter, we should see that we are now getting destroyed from within, not from without. Thanks to Gorbatchev I don't think there will be any more war. But what about these destruction from within? Diseases like cancer, diseases like myelitis, so many diseases which have no cure. What should we do to save this world is a very important point. There are many people who talk of peace. And they have got Nobel prizes in peace but all pretentious. There is no peace within themselves. So there is something missing, which we have to achieve. In the evolutionary process we have become from amoeba to human stage. But we have to go beyond. Because we see we are not yet at that point that we understand ourselves at all. So what is to be done is the problem of modern times. At the same time there are so many seekers of truth. And those people who wanted to use them have used them for money, for power and have exploited them. So many false gurus never existed on this earth. And people are so vulnerable, so simple to accept all these nonsensical things. Recently there was a Christian fundamentalist in America and he said that he can send money to God. And people should send money to him and he is sending the money to God. Now God doesn't understand money, He doesn't know what this money is, is the headache of human beings. But people thought that, "It's a very good thing, we should better send some money to God, He might be needing money." Such stupidity! Such stupidity! And then now that man is caught up and he is in jail, but he made lot of money. They claim something and people just believe that person. I would say you should also not believe Me till you have really become the Spirit. Otherwise you cannot recognize anyone. It is important that we have to have those subtle eyes to see reality. I was thinking that we should have some session of questioning but they are saying that it's better that you write them down and bring them tomorrow, so I'll answer all your questions. But we can give about ten minutes for proper questions. I am not here to take anything from you. As one enlightened light or a candle can enlighten another candle I am here just to enlighten your candle. And when your candle is enlightened you can also enlighten another's candle. There is no obligation for Me. So if you have some sensible questions I would like to answer. Then tomorrow if you send the questions or if you bring the questions I'll answer them first. Wonderful people. (Shri Mataji smiling) So you want your Realization - that's what it is! Today only I said that anywhere it is going to happen in a big way, it will be in Austria. That's very true. They are very balanced people. All right, so now we can have the session which is a very simple thing. It takes hardly ten minutes for you to get your Realization. Now, first of all there are two conditions we have to fulfil. The first condition is that you are not to feel guilty at all, because it is a myth. Moreover this Divine power is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And if you have committed any mistakes it is quite capable of dissolving it. So the first thing you have to do is not to feel guilty at all. That catches the center here on the left hand side and doesn't allow your Kundalini to rise. Moreover it gives you horrible diseases like spondylitis and angina. So please forget the past. Forgive yourself. And be pleasantly placed towards yourself. After all you are made human beings not to feel guilty. Now you are about to enter, say into the kingdom of God and how can you be guilty? The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Also here some people may say that, "It is difficult to forgive." But that is also a myth. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. Are you just - think that such and such person has harmed me and playing to his hands and torture yourself much more. So please try to understand that it is just a myth. And there is nothing like not forgiving. You don't have to think of every individual, who has harmed you. In general you have to say, "I forgive everything." At this point is the center of Christ at the optic chiasma inside the brain. Where the two sympathetic cross each other like that. So at this crossing point it's a very constricted center. So if you forgive then it opens up like that, otherwise closes and it's difficult to raise the Kundalini. So it is very important that you should forgive because I can't forgive for you. So you have to forgive everyone, just forgive everyone. These are the two conditions. Now you have to just take out your shoes if possible, because that helps us to touch the Mother Earth. Those who are sitting on the ground are even better off, but they should take out their shoes because it's rather awkward. Now there's another thing that I respect your freedom. And Self Realization cannot be forced on you. Actually you have to ask for it. Ask for it in your glory, in your own freedom. So those who do not want I would request them to leave the hall, because I cannot force you to have it. It's a very simple thing that takes place. You won't feel any pain, you won't feel any trouble at all. Only thing you will feel a Cool Breeze coming out of your head - Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. And also you'll feel the Cool Breeze of this subtle power. And you'll feel extremely peaceful, to begin with, and you'll be thoughtlessly aware. And some people get it in such a big way that on the first day only they achieve a very great heights of Realization. So now first be pleasantly placed towards yourself, you have to respect yourself, you have to love yourself. Now please place your left hand towards Me and both the feet on the ground away from each other. Those who are sitting are all right, those who are not sitting. No, need not, you can sit like that, it's all right. If you are sitting on the ground it's all right. You don't have to put both the feet on the ground. Sit comfortably. It's all right. You sit also comfortably. Yes, be comfortable. There is a chair behind you if you can't sit proper. The days have come when you can get your Realization in your chairs. (Laughter) I had to make it very easy to suit the modern times. So now, place your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart. Both the feet should be away from each other. The left hand suggests - it is the power of desire, it suggests that you have a desire to get your Self Realization. You can keep your hand on your lap comfortably. In the heart resides the Spirit. We'll show you now everything and later on you'll have to close your eyes when we'll do the awakening of the Kundalini. We'll be working with right hand on the left side only. So now we take down our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. This is the center of our mastery. Mastery of the Laws of the Divine. Then we have to put our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. Now this is the center of pure knowledge. Pure knowledge is that which manifests on your central nervous system. Which is in our Sanskrit language called as bodha or would be vedha from Veda, means to feel it on the central nervous system. Now, then we raise our right hand to the upper portion of our abdomen. Then on our heart. Then in the corner of our neck and our shoulder we put our right hand and turn our head to our right. Now this center catches when you feel guilty. Is quite a lot today. So I request you not to feel guilty. All right. Now then you have to take your hand and put it on your forehead across. Now please put down your head as much as you can and press it on both the sides. This is the center for forgiving everyone. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and put your head up as much as you can. This is the center where you have to ask forgiveness from the Divine without feeling guilty and without thinking of your mistakes. Just for your satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand and put the center of your palm here on to the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. You have to put down your head and press back your fingers. This is very important, press back your fingers so that you put a good pressure on the scalp. Now you have to press it hard your scalp and move it seven times when you put down your head properly. You press it nicely and move it seven times very slowly clockwise. Very slowly. Please put down your heads, put a good pressure, push back your fingers. That's all we have to do. Now I would request you take out your spectacles if possible, and also to loosen your ties a little bit, or if there is a belt which is rather tight. If you are wearing any malas from any guru also please take it out. All right. Now please close your eyes. Put your left hand towards Me on your lap. And please put the right hand on your heart. Now here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question three times. You may call Me Shri Mataji or Mother, whatever you feel like. So please ask the question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now if you are the Spirit then you are your master, you are your guide in the light of the Spirit. So now you please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. And here now you ask Me another fundamental question three times, "Mother, am I my own master?" I have already told you that I respect your freedom and I have to request you that you have to ask for your pure knowledge, I cannot force it on you. So please now take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard with your fingers. Here now you have to ask for pure knowledge. So please say, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say this six times because this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, there's a movement in your Kundalini, it starts rising. So we have to nourish the higher centers with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Here now you have to say with full self confidence, "Mother, I am my own master!" Please say it with full confidence. You must be self confident that you are all going to get Self Realization. At the very outset I told you that you are not this body, you are not this mind, and you are not this ego and conditionings, but you are the pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand onto your heart and with full confidence say twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit!" The Divine power is the Ocean of Knowledge. It is the Ocean of Compassion and Love. It is the Ocean of Blessings, but above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And whatever are human mistakes, this powerful Ocean of Forgiveness can dissolve them. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and move your head to your right. And here you have to say with full confidence again 16 times, "Mother, I am not guilty at all!" I have already told you that whether you forgive someone or don't forgive, you don't do anything, it is a myth. But if you don't forgive then you play into the wrong hands and torture yourself. And do exactly what those people who want to trouble you, want you to suffer. So now please raise your hand on your forehead across and put down your head fully and press it on both the sides. Here you have to say with full confidence, not how many times but with full confidence from your heart, you have to say, "Mother, I forgive everyone!" You have to forgive in general not in particular, don't think of individual people. Please put down your head. Now take back this right hand to the back side of your head and please put up your head as far as possible resting on this hand. Here for your satisfaction without counting your mistakes, without feeling guilty you have to say, "Oh Divine power, if I've done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." Say it from your heart, not how many times. Now you have to stretch your palm fully and put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head as much as you can and now stretch your fingers as far as you could. Put a good pressure on your scalp. Here again I cannot cross over your freedom, I respect it. And I cannot force Self Realization on you. So you have to move your scalp in a clockwise manner slowly saying, "Mother, please give me my Self Realization," seven times. Say it - moving it for seven times also, scalp should be moved seven times. (Shri Mataji blowing into the microphone) Now please open your eyes slowly. Please put both the hands towards Me, like this. Now put the right hand towards Me like this - right hand, bend your head and see if with the left hand if there is a Cool Breeze coming out of your head. Now, you can raise your both the hands towards the sky and put your head up like that and ask a question three times to Me. You can ask anyone of these three questions three times, "Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost?" Or, "Mother, is this the All pervading power of Divine Love?" Or, "Mother, is this the Paramachaitanya?" Now bring down your hands. You watch Me without thinking, just watch Me without thinking. Now those who have felt the Cool Breeze in the hand and also hot or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise both your hands. Both your hands please. He didn't do anything, this gentleman, but just sitting here, how can you feel? If you don't do, you don't get it and also others are disturbed. See how many of you. May God bless you! You all have now touched that Divine power. This is the Real Yoga. So now you have to understand the seriousness and that you have to develop it. This connection has to be established. You have to respect yourself and respect your Self Realization, because this is for the transformation of the whole world. You will be empowered yourself to raise the Kundalini of others. Tomorrow I'll tell you what is the nature of Spirit and how if you become the Spirit, how you also manifest the nature of the Spirit. Also I hope you'll tell your friends to come in tomorrow and work it out. This is the greatest thing to be given to your friends. So tomorrow you will know what is the achievement of being Self Realized. But now I bow to all of you because you have become saints now. May God bless you!Thank you very much!

Public Program. Vienna (Austria), 18 June 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the outset we should know that truth is what it is and we cannot change it, we cannot organize it. And the truth cannot be known only at the human awareness. It requires a subtler consciousness to know the truth. So what is the truth? The truth is that you are not this body and you are not your mind, you are not these emotions. Nor you are your conditionings or your ego. You are pure Spirit. And the second truth is that all the living work is done by a subtle power which is called as Paramchaitanya in Sanskrit language. Or we can say by the All pervading power of Divine Love. We take all living work for granted. We see these beautiful flowers that have come out of very small seeds, I mean, we never even think how this work has taken place. Then we see such a balance in the nature. A apple tree grows up to a height, a rosebush grows up to a height - who controls it? So when we try to think about it, we reach a point that we do not know everything. Also we do not know the absolute truth. Truth has to be one, but there are so many opinions, so many ideologies, so many religions, so many quarrels. Why should there be any quarrels if they are based on truth? So whatever I am telling you, you have to take a position of a scientist who has an open mind to know everything. And whatever I tell you, you have to take it as a hypothesis. And then if it is true then you have to accept it, as honest people. When you are told about this instrument within us we have to first of all get our Self Realization, the light in which we can know all about it. If we are sitting in the darkness we do not know how we are related to each other. Also when we are in dark we are under illusions. Supposing somebody is holding on to a snake in the darkness, thinking it to be a rope and you tell him that, "This is a snake," he won't listen to you. Till the snake bites he's not going to listen. So the best thing is to put on the light for him to see that this is really the snake. So first the light of your Spirit must come in your attention so that you can see what is wrong with you, what is wrong with others and what is wrong with the whole world. Our civilization has grown like a tree but we have not looked after the roots. We have to know what are our roots. And because of that we are facing so many problems today. You see them much more in the country like America which is really over-developed. The first and foremost thing they have is that they are all full of diseases. I told them about the AIDS in the year 1973, but they didn't like it. The same thing like the snake in the darkness. And also told them about 8 years back about a disease in which your conscious mind become paralyzed. Now they call it as a yuppie's disease. But when I went this time so many people have this disease and many people at a very young age are absolutely paralyzed. They are saying that very soon schizophrenia will spread in such a way that maybe you might have 60% Americans suffering from schizophrenia or mental disorders. There are so many other problems like the family system is completely broken down. And children under twelve years are taking to drugs in a very wider way. It is such a great scale of all these diseases that they don't know how to fight it. Andthe worst of all is the violence. In Miami there were children who were below 14 years and they had revolvers in their hands and they were selling drugs and killing people openly. There are so many problems now of ecological imbalances. Whom to blame? Not Divine. It's our mistake. It is a serious matter, we should see that we are now getting destroyed from within, not from without. Thanks to Gorbatchev I don't think there will be any more war. But what about these destruction from within? Diseases like cancer, diseases like myelitis, so many diseases which have no cure. What should we do to save this world is a very important point. There are many people who talk of peace. And they have got Nobel prizes in peace but all pretentious. There is no peace within themselves. So there is something missing, which we have to achieve. In the evolutionary process we have become from amoeba to human stage. But we have to go beyond. Because we see we are not yet at that point that we understand ourselves at all. So what is to be done is the problem of modern times. At the same time there are so many seekers of truth. And those people who wanted to use them have used them for money, for power and have exploited them. So many false gurus never existed on this earth. And people are so vulnerable, so simple to accept all these nonsensical things. Recently there was a Christian fundamentalist in America and he said that he can send money to God. And people should send money to him and he is sending the money to God. Now God doesn't understand money, He doesn't know what this money is, is the headache of human beings. But people thought that, "It's a very good thing, we should better send some money to God, He might be needing money." Such stupidity! Such stupidity! And then now that man is caught up and he is in jail, but he made lot of money. They claim something and people just believe that person. I would say you should also not believe Me till you have really become the Spirit. Otherwise you cannot recognize anyone. It is important that we have to have those subtle eyes to see reality. I was thinking that we should have some session of questioning but they are saying that it's better that you write them down and bring them tomorrow, so I'll answer all your questions. But we can give about ten minutes for proper questions. I am not here to take anything from you. As one enlightened light or a candle can enlighten another candle I am here just to enlighten your candle. And when your candle is enlightened you can also enlighten another's candle. There is no obligation for Me. So if you have some sensible questions I would like to answer. Then tomorrow if you send the questions or if you bring the questions I'll answer them first. Wonderful people. (Shri Mataji smiling) So you want your Realization - that's what it is! Today only I said that anywhere it is going to happen in a big way, it will be in Austria. That's very true. They are very balanced people. All right, so now we can have the session which is a very simple thing. It takes hardly ten minutes for you to get your Realization. Now, first of all there are two conditions we have to fulfil. The first condition is that you are not to feel guilty at all, because it is a myth. Moreover this Divine power is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And if you have committed any mistakes it is quite capable of dissolving it. So the first thing you have to do is not to feel guilty at all. That catches the center here on the left hand side and doesn't allow your Kundalini to rise. Moreover it gives you horrible diseases like spondylitis and angina. So please forget the past. Forgive yourself. And be pleasantly placed towards yourself. After all you are made human beings not to feel guilty. Now you are about to enter, say into the kingdom of God and how can you be guilty? The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Also here some people may say that, "It is difficult to forgive." But that is also a myth. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. Are you just - think that such and such person has harmed me and playing to his hands and torture yourself much more. So please try to understand that it is just a myth. And there is nothing like not forgiving. You don't have to think of every individual, who has harmed you. In general you have to say, "I forgive everything." At this point is the center of Christ at the optic chiasma inside the brain. Where the two sympathetic cross each other like that. So at this crossing point it's a very constricted center. So if you forgive then it opens up like that, otherwise closes and it's difficult to raise the Kundalini. So it is very important that you should forgive because I can't forgive for you. So you have to forgive everyone, just forgive everyone. These are the two conditions. Now you have to just take out your shoes if possible, because that helps us to touch the Mother Earth. Those who are sitting on the ground are even better off, but they should take out their shoes because it's rather awkward. Now there's another thing that I respect your freedom. And Self Realization cannot be forced on you. Actually you have to ask for it. Ask for it in your glory, in your own freedom. So those who do not want I would request them to leave the hall, because I cannot force you to have it. It's a very simple thing that takes place. You won't feel any pain, you won't feel any trouble at all. Only thing you will feel a Cool Breeze coming out of your head - Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost coming out of your head. And also you'll feel the Cool Breeze of this subtle power. And you'll feel extremely peaceful, to begin with, and you'll be thoughtlessly aware. And some people get it in such a big way that on the first day only they achieve a very great heights of Realization. So now first be pleasantly placed towards yourself, you have to respect yourself, you have to love yourself. Now please place your left hand towards Me and both the feet on the ground away from each other. Those who are sitting are all right, those who are not sitting. No, need not, you can sit like that, it's all right. If you are sitting on the ground it's all right. You don't have to put both the feet on the ground. Sit comfortably. It's all right. You sit also comfortably. Yes, be comfortable. There is a chair behind you if you can't sit proper. The days have come when you can get your Realization in your chairs. (Laughter) I had to make it very easy to suit the modern times. So now, place your left hand towards Me and right hand on your heart. Both the feet should be away from each other. The left hand suggests - it is the power of desire, it suggests that you have a desire to get your Self Realization. You can keep your hand on your lap comfortably. In the heart resides the Spirit. We'll show you now everything and later on you'll have to close your eyes when we'll do the awakening of the Kundalini. We'll be working with right hand on the left side only. So now we take down our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. This is the center of our mastery. Mastery of the Laws of the Divine. Then we have to put our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. Now this is the center of pure knowledge. Pure knowledge is that which manifests on your central nervous system. Which is in our Sanskrit language called as bodha or would be vedha from Veda, means to feel it on the central nervous system. Now, then we raise our right hand to the upper portion of our abdomen. Then on our heart. Then in the corner of our neck and our shoulder we put our right hand and turn our head to our right. Now this center catches when you feel guilty. Is quite a lot today. So I request you not to feel guilty. All right. Now then you have to take your hand and put it on your forehead across. Now please put down your head as much as you can and press it on both the sides. This is the center for forgiving everyone. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and put your head up as much as you can. This is the center where you have to ask forgiveness from the Divine without feeling guilty and without thinking of your mistakes. Just for your satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand and put the center of your palm here on to the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. You have to put down your head and press back your fingers. This is very important, press back your fingers so that you put a good pressure on the scalp. Now you have to press it hard your scalp and move it seven times when you put down your head properly. You press it nicely and move it seven times very slowly clockwise. Very slowly. Please put down your heads, put a good pressure, push back your fingers. That's all we have to do. Now I would request you take out your spectacles if possible, and also to loosen your ties a little bit, or if there is a belt which is rather tight. If you are wearing any malas from any guru also please take it out. All right. Now please close your eyes. Put your left hand towards Me on your lap. And please put the right hand on your heart. Now here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question three times. You may call Me Shri Mataji or Mother, whatever you feel like. So please ask the question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now if you are the Spirit then you are your master, you are your guide in the light of the Spirit. So now you please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. And here now you ask Me another fundamental question three times, "Mother, am I my own master?" I have already told you that I respect your freedom and I have to request you that you have to ask for your pure knowledge, I cannot force it on you. So please now take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard with your fingers. Here now you have to ask for pure knowledge. So please say, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say this six times because this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, there's a movement in your Kundalini, it starts rising. So we have to nourish the higher centers with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Here now you have to say with full self confidence, "Mother, I am my own master!" Please say it with full confidence. You must be self confident that you are all going to get Self Realization. At the very outset I told you that you are not this body, you are not this mind, and you are not this ego and conditionings, but you are the pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand onto your heart and with full confidence say twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit!" The Divine power is the Ocean of Knowledge. It is the Ocean of Compassion and Love. It is the Ocean of Blessings, but above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And whatever are human mistakes, this powerful Ocean of Forgiveness can dissolve them. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and move your head to your right. And here you have to say with full confidence again 16 times, "Mother, I am not guilty at all!" I have already told you that whether you forgive someone or don't forgive, you don't do anything, it is a myth. But if you don't forgive then you play into the wrong hands and torture yourself. And do exactly what those people who want to trouble you, want you to suffer. So now please raise your hand on your forehead across and put down your head fully and press it on both the sides. Here you have to say with full confidence, not how many times but with full confidence from your heart, you have to say, "Mother, I forgive everyone!" You have to forgive in general not in particular, don't think of individual people. Please put down your head. Now take back this right hand to the back side of your head and please put up your head as far as possible resting on this hand. Here for your satisfaction without counting your mistakes, without feeling guilty you have to say, "Oh Divine power, if I've done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." Say it from your heart, not how many times. Now you have to stretch your palm fully and put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head as much as you can and now stretch your fingers as far as you could. Put a good pressure on your scalp. Here again I cannot cross over your freedom, I respect it. And I cannot force Self Realization on you. So you have to move your scalp in a clockwise manner slowly saying, "Mother, please give me my Self Realization," seven times. Say it - moving it for seven times also, scalp should be moved seven times. (Shri Mataji blowing into the microphone) Now please open your eyes slowly. Please put both the hands towards Me, like this. Now put the right hand towards Me like this - right hand, bend your head and see if with the left hand if there is a Cool Breeze coming out of your head. Now, you can raise your both the hands towards the sky and put your head up like that and ask a question three times to Me. You can ask anyone of these three questions three times, "Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost?" Or, "Mother, is this the All pervading power of Divine Love?" Or, "Mother, is this the Paramachaitanya?" Now bring down your hands. You watch Me without thinking, just watch Me without thinking. Now those who have felt the Cool Breeze in the hand and also hot or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise both your hands. Both your hands please. He didn't do anything, this gentleman, but just sitting here, how can you feel? If you don't do, you don't get it and also others are disturbed. See how many of you. May God bless you! You all have now touched that Divine power. This is the Real Yoga. So now you have to understand the seriousness and that you have to develop it. This connection has to be established. You have to respect yourself and respect your Self Realization, because this is for the transformation of the whole world. You will be empowered yourself to raise the Kundalini of others. Tomorrow I'll tell you what is the nature of Spirit and how if you become the Spirit, how you also manifest the nature of the Spirit. Also I hope you'll tell your friends to come in tomorrow and work it out. This is the greatest thing to be given to your friends. So tomorrow you will know what is the achievement of being Self Realized. But now I bow to all of you because you have become saints now. May God bless you!Thank you very much!

6/19/1990

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The giver of the absolute truth is the Spirit

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Public Program Day 2. Vienna (Austria), 19 June 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I told you that we have to know the absolute truth. Absolute truth is the truth which cannot be challenged and cannot have a second opinion. But the giver of this absolute truth is the Spirit. The Spirit resides in your heart. Before Realization your Spirit is a witness of what you are doing. But after Realization the energy of Kundalini ignites the flame of Spirit in such a manner that your attention gets enlightened. So the Spirit is the source of light. Not this light that burns, but the light that soothes. The Spirit is the collective being within us. It is like a reflection of the Sun in different places, specially in the lakes where you can see it clearly, the God Almighty is reflected in all of us. He is reflected in everything that is being created. But the reflectors are very poor, some of them are just like stones. Only in a saint reflection of God is clear, because it is the reflection of one God Almighty, it is in everybody and so it is the collective being. So after Realization you can feel another person on your fingertips and you can feel yourself also on your fingertips. You can ask any question, like a computer the answer comes, yes or no, by means of vibrations. Once you are realized, once you are connected with the Divine power it starts acting through your nervous system. Spirit is the source of peace. So such a person becomes peaceful and he becomes thoughtlessly aware. Whenever he wants he can think and if he does not want he need not think. So there is no tension on such a person. So we see that the Spirit is the source of all the knowledge. When the Spirit enlightens your brain you become exceptionally intelligent and absorbent, because it does not react, it absorbs. Also Spirit is the source of enlightened attention. In the sense that the attention is enlightened and when you pay attention to someone the Spirit - which is the light in the attention - acts. For example you pay attention to a sick person then the sick person gets cured. We could say like this that the, we see a television and in the television we see lots of pictures, but they do not act. But the attention which is enlightened, when is extended or put on anyone, the vibrations from that attention act. That is why after Sahaja Yoga we have to purify our attention. With this light you start definitely improving your attention. In the West the attention is very superficial because there are so many choices created. All the time we are choosing with our eyes. Even when we are married, we are looking at every woman, every man with our eyes, which is of no use, it's a joyless pursuit. Many people think it's freedom. But it is abandonment. With this abandonment we develop an eye which Christ has described as adulterous. He has very clearly said, "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." So there is no purity in the eye. And it's so unnatural because it creates jealousy, hatred and very unnatural behaviour. And also the cunning comes out of it. I think it is quite a modern disease. Because we don't see much of this in India and places, primitive places. It's only in the westernized, advanced places you find this kind of attention, going like that all the time. And that is why I think the schizophrenia is very common in the West. In America they are saying that very soon there will be 60 percent people schizophrenic. There is no rest to our attention. But after Realization the eyes start becoming pure and concentrated. They become steady. And such pure eyes are the ones - even a glance of such an eye can be so much redeeming. It just automatically sometimes works. When the Kundalini passes through your Agnya and the Christ is awakened in your Agnya chakra, the eyes become steady and peaceful. Above all the Spirit is the source of joy. It is not happiness and unhappiness. Joy is not duality, joy is singular. If you see so many people who preach religion are unnecessarily so serious, there is no need to be that serious. Sometimes they grow big beard, big moustache, big hair to show that they are very serious people. (Laughter) And they never smile, even smile, you know laughing is different. That's an absurd idea. A spiritual person has to be bubbling with joy. This is all the play of the Divine, you see. You just see how things are working out and you just laugh at it. Mostly the seriousness is because of people who are either cruel or tortured by cruel people, but spiritual people never suffer. It may appear that they suffer but Spirit cannot suffer. It is beyond suffering. It enjoys everything in its proper perspective. This joy fulfils our lives and the lives of all other people. So then - who is the other? You can feel everybody on your being, and you can feel yourself - so, who is the other? But a Realized Soul is a detached personality. He doesn't say 'my children, my house'. But he says 'our children, our house'. He shares all the time. I would say like this, now supposing I have all the powers then I am a capitalist. But I cannot live without distributing it and sharing with you, so I'm a communist. So a person who is a Realized Soul is the one who lives collectively and only enjoys collectivity. But at the same time he is detached. Like a sap in the tree rises, goes to the various parts of the tree, gives sap to the leaves, flowers, fruits, everything and comes back. But if it gets attached to some flower then that flower will die in any case, because the tree will die. So, attachment is the death of love. The love you feel for somebody should be just giving love, not to expect anything out of that. You just enjoy giving. Like yesterday you saw so many people were sick. I'm surprised in a western country where you are so advanced there are so many sick people. I was quite shocked. While in India we don't have proper sanitation, proper food and when I go to villages we have thousands of people, ten times more then you are here, but we seldom find anybody sick there. Because they live in natural surroundings, in a natural way and enjoy their natural life. But that doesn't mean that we should becoming primitive like hippies. Only by growing hippie-like hair your brain, which is modern cannot be changed. So what you need is the transformation within. And that transformation is only possible when there is the light of the Spirit. Without that transformation you cannot achieve that state of peace and joy. So this is the last breakthrough of our awareness, where we have to jump into a new Awareness of a Realized Soul. Now the modern Sahaja Yoga is so simple that people cannot believe it that you can get it - sitting on your chair in Austria without going to Himalayas - your Realization. But this is a Blossomtime and there are so many seekers - it has to work this way. This transformation is the most important thing in these modern times. Only the wise can understand that this is the most crucial time we are facing. And once you find your Soul, you find your Spirit - then you want that everybody should find it. Like a drunkard always wants to share his drinking with others. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) But this drinking doesn't give you hangover. But you are elevated and relaxed. All the time full of energy and creativity. And living in the beautiful atmosphere of such beauty and such purity that we cannot imagine. Now Sahaja Yoga is working in 40 nations. People of different religion, culture, races, all kinds of people are there. But such purity in the hearts of Sahaja Yogis that there is no complication of any woman running with another man or anything like that, nothing of the kind. It's remarkable that there's no fight, no argument, nothing. And they know each other so well. Only if they have to find out if another one is a Sahaja Yogi - just have to feel the vibrations, that's all. And there are so many beautiful stories how some unknown Sahaja Yogis from some place met another one from some other place and how their meeting took place so beautifully. For example, the role of life and the identity of personality changes completely. Even the priorities change. For example today you are sitting before Me asking for Self Realization but tomorrow you come here and give Self Realization to others. Today you are coming to ask Me that you want, you are sick and you want to cured, tomorrow you cure others. So a person who is a Realized Soul himself becomes a source of peace and joy. This is the right time for us to take the decision. If we miss this time we are lost. So I am so very happy in Austria there are so many people who are aware. As a result of Realization your health will be perfect. Gradually it improves. All the Sahaja Yogis say, "We never take any medicines, we don't go to any doctors, nothing of the kind." Then mentally you are at peace, you don't quarrel, you don't fight. And you become just a witness of the whole play. You become extremely patient. And enjoy the enjoyment of others. I have seen in the West specially that if there is a music program going on the neighbours will complain to the police. But let's say in India there is a music program, the neighbours will bring tea and snacks and come and enjoy the music. (Laughter) And they think it is a free entertainment, just imagine, why not have it? So this sharing of joy and sharing of love, sharing of children, sharing of flowers, sharing of all that is beautiful, it's so natural, which comes to us after our Realization. Thus we enter into the Kingdom of God. And the Kingdom of God is the most efficient kingdom you could think of. It looks after every details of yours. Every small needs are looked after, you call them miracles, but you don't know the miracle is that you are now in the Kingdom of God. Not only on physical level but also on material level it looks after you every moment. All the time you feel you are hitting a jackpot every moment. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) And you are so filled, you're so filled with the blessings that you don't know what to do. It's such a beautiful life. I wish all of you will have it and enjoy it, it is just at your doorsteps. So I think we should have the session of Self Realization, because yesterday nobody asked any questions and today there are no questions either. Some of you are still sick and if you can come to Sahaja Yoga I am sure gradually you'll all improve in health. You must have little patience with yourself. That's all is needed. And everything will work out. Allow this Divine power to do everything. You surrender your ego to this Divine power and it takes over. And you'll be amazed how your problems are solved. Yesterday only one lady came and told Me she had cancer and now she is cured. I'm not surprised. But it's difficult for people to believe that they are born in an era, which is just on the borderline of the Golden Age. Also they think that, "What have we done to achieve this?" Have faith in yourself. Have faith in yourself. You have come here because you are something. So I just want you to have faith in yourself and everything will work out. May God bless you all! So now, if you agree we'll have the session of Realization. I have to say at the very outset that I cannot force on you Self Realization. And so those who do not want Self Realization should leave the hall. That would be very kind. And also you should not look at other people but work it out for yourself. Because now the time is there for you to look at yourself. And you will know how beautiful you are, how glorified. It's like this, if you take a television set in a remote village of India and tell them that you can see all kinds of pictures, they will never believe. But when you put the connection to the mains, they will see the films and they'll think, "Look at this, it was just a little box and how wonderful is this world." In the same way you do not know about yourself. But once you get your Realization and you start using your powers you'll be amazed how great you are. And how much you have within yourself of which you were never aware. I have to make a humble request that we'll have to take out our shoes because this Mother Earth also helps us. You should have no fears at all. Kundalini is your individual Mother. She is the power of pure desire. And the pure desire is to become one with the Divine. She is not going to trouble you at all. As your mother took all the pains upon herself when she created you or she gave you birth, in the same way this Kundalini looks after you. So you have to understand that there is a left side and a right side, there are two powers. So, we have to put our both the feet apart from each other. Those who are sitting on the ground are all right, they shouldn't worry. Now, we have to use both our hands in such a manner that we use left hand like this - symbolizing our desire to have Self Realization. And we use the right hand in such a manner that it's an action to nourish our centers on the left hand side. But before anything else I must tell you that there are two conditions you have to fulfil, which are very important. The first condition is that you are not to think of your past at this moment, but of the present. That means you forgive yourself for whatever mistakes you might have committed and don't feel guilty at all. So, not to feel guilty for the past that is very important. It's a very important thing because it catches - if you feel guilty - at this center here on the left side, left Vishuddhi and it's difficult for Kundalini to rise. But otherwise also you can develop diseases like angina and also spondylitis with feeling guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. To forgive everyone because it is a myth whether you forgive or don't forgive. Whether you forgive or don't forgive you do not do anything. But if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands. The most constricted center in your central path is the Agnya on the optic chiasma. And it is completely constricted like this in a cross. Unless and until you forgive it won't open out like that for the Kundalini to pass. Yesterday so many people did not feel because they did not forgive, and I had to work on them, "Forgive, forgive, forgive," then they felt it. Are we going to miss our Self Realization because we want to play into the wrong hands? So today I request you again and again, please forgive everyone in general, not to think in particular. All right, so now you have to be placed towards yourself very pleasantly. And must have faith and self confidence in yourself that you are going to get your Self Realization and that you are going to get it in a big way. So now, please put your left hand towards Me like this - symbolizing your desire to get Self Realization. Open it out fully. And now we have to use the right hand to give nourishment to our centers, but we work it only on the left hand side. So, first we'll show you how to do it and then you'll have to close your eyes and then the Kundalini awakening will take place. So now, first of all we have to put left hand towards Me like this and right hand on our heart. Here resides the Spirit. Then we bring our right hand on the left hand side in the upper part of our abdomen and press it hard. Now, this is the center of our mastery. Now we take down our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen and press it hard. This is the center of pure knowledge. This pure knowledge manifests on your central nervous system. Now we take back our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then we take our right hand on our heart. Now we take our right hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder and put it as back as possible. And turn your head to your right. This is the center catches when you feel guilty. Now please take your right hand on top of your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now please remember that this is the center to forgive everyone in general. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and slowly push back your head as far as possible. And here for your own satisfaction, without counting your mistakes and your so-called sins you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine Power. Now stretch your hand fully and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now this is very important. So put down your head and stretch your fingers as far as possible backwards so there's a very good pressure on your scalp. Put down your head properly and press it hard and push back your fingers. Now here you have to move your scalp, slowly - scalp, not your hands, scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Now that's all we have to do. Now, please close your eyes. Those who are sitting on a chair please keep both your feet apart from each other. Now please put the left hand towards Me on your lap. And right hand on the heart. Now please close your eyes and don't open them till I tell you. Now here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question, you may call Me Shri Mataji or Mother. You can ask the question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now if you are the Spirit you are your master, you are your guru, you are your guide. So now take down your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Here now you have to ask another question, "Mother, am I my own master?" Three times. I've already told you that I cannot force anything on you and I respect your freedom. So I cannot force Self Realization on you. So now please take your hand down into the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So please ask seven times, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say it six times because this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts moving upward. So we have to nourish the higher centers with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand and put it in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Now here with full confidence please say ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." I've already told you that the greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind. You are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings and you are not this ego. But you are pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart. And here you have to say with full confidence twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit." The Divine Power is the source of knowledge. It is the source of joy and Ocean of Blessings. It is the Ocean of Love and Compassion. But above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you commit can be dissolved completely by this great power of forgiveness. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder, take it as far back as you could. Now turn your head to your right. And here you have to say with full confidence 16 times, please believe what I say, 16 times, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all." I've already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands. So it is a myth that you cannot forgive. So now raise your right hand on your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now here say it with full confidence, "Mother, I forgive everyone." From your heart - not how many times. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and push your head on it as far as possible upward. Here for your satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, you have to say, "Oh Divine Power, if I have done any mistakes please forgive me." Also say it from your heart - not how many times. Now stretch your palm fully and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now press your scalp well by pushing out your fingers. And please bend your head as much as possible. Now, here again I cannot cross over your freedom and cannot force Self Realization on you. So now move your right hand with a great pressure on your scalp. So in such a manner that you move the scalp slowly clockwise seven times saying, "Mother, please give me my Self Realization." Push back your fingers, push back your fingers, put a proper pressure first. (Shri Mataji is blowing into the microphone) Now please take down your hands and open your eyes. Now put the right hand towards Me like this, and bend your head and put the left hand on top to see if there's a Cool Breeze coming out. Don't keep it on top of your head, but away - sometimes you get it very much away. And sometimes you get heat coming - doesn't matter. Now, please put your left hand towards Me and the right hand, you bend your head again and see if with your right hand if there is a Cool Breeze coming out of your head, even if there's a hot Breeze - doesn't matter. See if there is Cool Breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Now again put your right hand towards Me, bend your head and see for yourself if there's a Cool Breeze coming out of your head. See it with your left hand. Now raise both your hands, put your hands up towards the sky and put your head towards the sky. And ask anyone of these questions three times, "Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the All pervading power of Divine Love? Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?" Ask anyone of these questions three times. Don't doubt that, if there's a Cool Breeze coming, don't doubt that it is air-conditioning and all that, suddenly how can it be? Now take down your hands please. Put your hands towards Me like this. Take down your hands. Put both your hands towards Me like this. And don't think - you can do it. You have reached the state of thoughtless awareness. All those who have felt the Cool Breeze or hot Breeze out of their fontanel bone area or on their fingertips or on their hands please raise your both the hands. Those who have felt please raise them higher, I would like to see. Practically I think everybody has felt. (Shri Mataji laughing) So I bow to all the saints of Austria. Now you have felt it, but you must know how to use it. you must know all about it, don't waste it. Whenever I come there are lots of people, but once I go they do not go to the follow on and develop themselves. You have faith in Me but I say, "Have faith in yourself." You all can become like Me. Work it out, we have to transform this world. It is the most important thing today. And you all also have to help Me. We cannot discuss about it, it is beyond our mental activity. You'll enjoy it I know, you'll feel very nice, but you must establish it fully. I hope all of you will make it a point to develop yourselves into great trees. I will come next year again. Till that you have to really grow into great Sahaja Yogis. So respect your Self Realization and you can achieve everything within one months' time. For which you don't have to pay anything - only some time to be given. We save the time, we have watches to save the time - to waste it. So, little time is to be given. So much Cool Breeze that I'm getting Breeze from you. (Shri Mataji laughing) So, thank you very much! Thank you!

Public Program Day 2. Vienna (Austria), 19 June 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday I told you that we have to know the absolute truth. Absolute truth is the truth which cannot be challenged and cannot have a second opinion. But the giver of this absolute truth is the Spirit. The Spirit resides in your heart. Before Realization your Spirit is a witness of what you are doing. But after Realization the energy of Kundalini ignites the flame of Spirit in such a manner that your attention gets enlightened. So the Spirit is the source of light. Not this light that burns, but the light that soothes. The Spirit is the collective being within us. It is like a reflection of the Sun in different places, specially in the lakes where you can see it clearly, the God Almighty is reflected in all of us. He is reflected in everything that is being created. But the reflectors are very poor, some of them are just like stones. Only in a saint reflection of God is clear, because it is the reflection of one God Almighty, it is in everybody and so it is the collective being. So after Realization you can feel another person on your fingertips and you can feel yourself also on your fingertips. You can ask any question, like a computer the answer comes, yes or no, by means of vibrations. Once you are realized, once you are connected with the Divine power it starts acting through your nervous system. Spirit is the source of peace. So such a person becomes peaceful and he becomes thoughtlessly aware. Whenever he wants he can think and if he does not want he need not think. So there is no tension on such a person. So we see that the Spirit is the source of all the knowledge. When the Spirit enlightens your brain you become exceptionally intelligent and absorbent, because it does not react, it absorbs. Also Spirit is the source of enlightened attention. In the sense that the attention is enlightened and when you pay attention to someone the Spirit - which is the light in the attention - acts. For example you pay attention to a sick person then the sick person gets cured. We could say like this that the, we see a television and in the television we see lots of pictures, but they do not act. But the attention which is enlightened, when is extended or put on anyone, the vibrations from that attention act. That is why after Sahaja Yoga we have to purify our attention. With this light you start definitely improving your attention. In the West the attention is very superficial because there are so many choices created. All the time we are choosing with our eyes. Even when we are married, we are looking at every woman, every man with our eyes, which is of no use, it's a joyless pursuit. Many people think it's freedom. But it is abandonment. With this abandonment we develop an eye which Christ has described as adulterous. He has very clearly said, "Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes." So there is no purity in the eye. And it's so unnatural because it creates jealousy, hatred and very unnatural behaviour. And also the cunning comes out of it. I think it is quite a modern disease. Because we don't see much of this in India and places, primitive places. It's only in the westernized, advanced places you find this kind of attention, going like that all the time. And that is why I think the schizophrenia is very common in the West. In America they are saying that very soon there will be 60 percent people schizophrenic. There is no rest to our attention. But after Realization the eyes start becoming pure and concentrated. They become steady. And such pure eyes are the ones - even a glance of such an eye can be so much redeeming. It just automatically sometimes works. When the Kundalini passes through your Agnya and the Christ is awakened in your Agnya chakra, the eyes become steady and peaceful. Above all the Spirit is the source of joy. It is not happiness and unhappiness. Joy is not duality, joy is singular. If you see so many people who preach religion are unnecessarily so serious, there is no need to be that serious. Sometimes they grow big beard, big moustache, big hair to show that they are very serious people. (Laughter) And they never smile, even smile, you know laughing is different. That's an absurd idea. A spiritual person has to be bubbling with joy. This is all the play of the Divine, you see. You just see how things are working out and you just laugh at it. Mostly the seriousness is because of people who are either cruel or tortured by cruel people, but spiritual people never suffer. It may appear that they suffer but Spirit cannot suffer. It is beyond suffering. It enjoys everything in its proper perspective. This joy fulfils our lives and the lives of all other people. So then - who is the other? You can feel everybody on your being, and you can feel yourself - so, who is the other? But a Realized Soul is a detached personality. He doesn't say 'my children, my house'. But he says 'our children, our house'. He shares all the time. I would say like this, now supposing I have all the powers then I am a capitalist. But I cannot live without distributing it and sharing with you, so I'm a communist. So a person who is a Realized Soul is the one who lives collectively and only enjoys collectivity. But at the same time he is detached. Like a sap in the tree rises, goes to the various parts of the tree, gives sap to the leaves, flowers, fruits, everything and comes back. But if it gets attached to some flower then that flower will die in any case, because the tree will die. So, attachment is the death of love. The love you feel for somebody should be just giving love, not to expect anything out of that. You just enjoy giving. Like yesterday you saw so many people were sick. I'm surprised in a western country where you are so advanced there are so many sick people. I was quite shocked. While in India we don't have proper sanitation, proper food and when I go to villages we have thousands of people, ten times more then you are here, but we seldom find anybody sick there. Because they live in natural surroundings, in a natural way and enjoy their natural life. But that doesn't mean that we should becoming primitive like hippies. Only by growing hippie-like hair your brain, which is modern cannot be changed. So what you need is the transformation within. And that transformation is only possible when there is the light of the Spirit. Without that transformation you cannot achieve that state of peace and joy. So this is the last breakthrough of our awareness, where we have to jump into a new Awareness of a Realized Soul. Now the modern Sahaja Yoga is so simple that people cannot believe it that you can get it - sitting on your chair in Austria without going to Himalayas - your Realization. But this is a Blossomtime and there are so many seekers - it has to work this way. This transformation is the most important thing in these modern times. Only the wise can understand that this is the most crucial time we are facing. And once you find your Soul, you find your Spirit - then you want that everybody should find it. Like a drunkard always wants to share his drinking with others. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) But this drinking doesn't give you hangover. But you are elevated and relaxed. All the time full of energy and creativity. And living in the beautiful atmosphere of such beauty and such purity that we cannot imagine. Now Sahaja Yoga is working in 40 nations. People of different religion, culture, races, all kinds of people are there. But such purity in the hearts of Sahaja Yogis that there is no complication of any woman running with another man or anything like that, nothing of the kind. It's remarkable that there's no fight, no argument, nothing. And they know each other so well. Only if they have to find out if another one is a Sahaja Yogi - just have to feel the vibrations, that's all. And there are so many beautiful stories how some unknown Sahaja Yogis from some place met another one from some other place and how their meeting took place so beautifully. For example, the role of life and the identity of personality changes completely. Even the priorities change. For example today you are sitting before Me asking for Self Realization but tomorrow you come here and give Self Realization to others. Today you are coming to ask Me that you want, you are sick and you want to cured, tomorrow you cure others. So a person who is a Realized Soul himself becomes a source of peace and joy. This is the right time for us to take the decision. If we miss this time we are lost. So I am so very happy in Austria there are so many people who are aware. As a result of Realization your health will be perfect. Gradually it improves. All the Sahaja Yogis say, "We never take any medicines, we don't go to any doctors, nothing of the kind." Then mentally you are at peace, you don't quarrel, you don't fight. And you become just a witness of the whole play. You become extremely patient. And enjoy the enjoyment of others. I have seen in the West specially that if there is a music program going on the neighbours will complain to the police. But let's say in India there is a music program, the neighbours will bring tea and snacks and come and enjoy the music. (Laughter) And they think it is a free entertainment, just imagine, why not have it? So this sharing of joy and sharing of love, sharing of children, sharing of flowers, sharing of all that is beautiful, it's so natural, which comes to us after our Realization. Thus we enter into the Kingdom of God. And the Kingdom of God is the most efficient kingdom you could think of. It looks after every details of yours. Every small needs are looked after, you call them miracles, but you don't know the miracle is that you are now in the Kingdom of God. Not only on physical level but also on material level it looks after you every moment. All the time you feel you are hitting a jackpot every moment. (Shri Mataji laughing & laughter) And you are so filled, you're so filled with the blessings that you don't know what to do. It's such a beautiful life. I wish all of you will have it and enjoy it, it is just at your doorsteps. So I think we should have the session of Self Realization, because yesterday nobody asked any questions and today there are no questions either. Some of you are still sick and if you can come to Sahaja Yoga I am sure gradually you'll all improve in health. You must have little patience with yourself. That's all is needed. And everything will work out. Allow this Divine power to do everything. You surrender your ego to this Divine power and it takes over. And you'll be amazed how your problems are solved. Yesterday only one lady came and told Me she had cancer and now she is cured. I'm not surprised. But it's difficult for people to believe that they are born in an era, which is just on the borderline of the Golden Age. Also they think that, "What have we done to achieve this?" Have faith in yourself. Have faith in yourself. You have come here because you are something. So I just want you to have faith in yourself and everything will work out. May God bless you all! So now, if you agree we'll have the session of Realization. I have to say at the very outset that I cannot force on you Self Realization. And so those who do not want Self Realization should leave the hall. That would be very kind. And also you should not look at other people but work it out for yourself. Because now the time is there for you to look at yourself. And you will know how beautiful you are, how glorified. It's like this, if you take a television set in a remote village of India and tell them that you can see all kinds of pictures, they will never believe. But when you put the connection to the mains, they will see the films and they'll think, "Look at this, it was just a little box and how wonderful is this world." In the same way you do not know about yourself. But once you get your Realization and you start using your powers you'll be amazed how great you are. And how much you have within yourself of which you were never aware. I have to make a humble request that we'll have to take out our shoes because this Mother Earth also helps us. You should have no fears at all. Kundalini is your individual Mother. She is the power of pure desire. And the pure desire is to become one with the Divine. She is not going to trouble you at all. As your mother took all the pains upon herself when she created you or she gave you birth, in the same way this Kundalini looks after you. So you have to understand that there is a left side and a right side, there are two powers. So, we have to put our both the feet apart from each other. Those who are sitting on the ground are all right, they shouldn't worry. Now, we have to use both our hands in such a manner that we use left hand like this - symbolizing our desire to have Self Realization. And we use the right hand in such a manner that it's an action to nourish our centers on the left hand side. But before anything else I must tell you that there are two conditions you have to fulfil, which are very important. The first condition is that you are not to think of your past at this moment, but of the present. That means you forgive yourself for whatever mistakes you might have committed and don't feel guilty at all. So, not to feel guilty for the past that is very important. It's a very important thing because it catches - if you feel guilty - at this center here on the left side, left Vishuddhi and it's difficult for Kundalini to rise. But otherwise also you can develop diseases like angina and also spondylitis with feeling guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. To forgive everyone because it is a myth whether you forgive or don't forgive. Whether you forgive or don't forgive you do not do anything. But if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands. The most constricted center in your central path is the Agnya on the optic chiasma. And it is completely constricted like this in a cross. Unless and until you forgive it won't open out like that for the Kundalini to pass. Yesterday so many people did not feel because they did not forgive, and I had to work on them, "Forgive, forgive, forgive," then they felt it. Are we going to miss our Self Realization because we want to play into the wrong hands? So today I request you again and again, please forgive everyone in general, not to think in particular. All right, so now you have to be placed towards yourself very pleasantly. And must have faith and self confidence in yourself that you are going to get your Self Realization and that you are going to get it in a big way. So now, please put your left hand towards Me like this - symbolizing your desire to get Self Realization. Open it out fully. And now we have to use the right hand to give nourishment to our centers, but we work it only on the left hand side. So, first we'll show you how to do it and then you'll have to close your eyes and then the Kundalini awakening will take place. So now, first of all we have to put left hand towards Me like this and right hand on our heart. Here resides the Spirit. Then we bring our right hand on the left hand side in the upper part of our abdomen and press it hard. Now, this is the center of our mastery. Now we take down our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen and press it hard. This is the center of pure knowledge. This pure knowledge manifests on your central nervous system. Now we take back our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then we take our right hand on our heart. Now we take our right hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder and put it as back as possible. And turn your head to your right. This is the center catches when you feel guilty. Now please take your right hand on top of your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now please remember that this is the center to forgive everyone in general. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and slowly push back your head as far as possible. And here for your own satisfaction, without counting your mistakes and your so-called sins you have to ask for forgiveness from the Divine Power. Now stretch your hand fully and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now this is very important. So put down your head and stretch your fingers as far as possible backwards so there's a very good pressure on your scalp. Put down your head properly and press it hard and push back your fingers. Now here you have to move your scalp, slowly - scalp, not your hands, scalp slowly seven times clockwise. Now that's all we have to do. Now, please close your eyes. Those who are sitting on a chair please keep both your feet apart from each other. Now please put the left hand towards Me on your lap. And right hand on the heart. Now please close your eyes and don't open them till I tell you. Now here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question, you may call Me Shri Mataji or Mother. You can ask the question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now if you are the Spirit you are your master, you are your guru, you are your guide. So now take down your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Here now you have to ask another question, "Mother, am I my own master?" Three times. I've already told you that I cannot force anything on you and I respect your freedom. So I cannot force Self Realization on you. So now please take your hand down into the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So please ask seven times, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say it six times because this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts moving upward. So we have to nourish the higher centers with our self confidence. So now raise your right hand and put it in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. Now here with full confidence please say ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." I've already told you that the greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind. You are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings and you are not this ego. But you are pure Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart. And here you have to say with full confidence twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit." The Divine Power is the source of knowledge. It is the source of joy and Ocean of Blessings. It is the Ocean of Love and Compassion. But above all it is the Ocean of Forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you commit can be dissolved completely by this great power of forgiveness. So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder, take it as far back as you could. Now turn your head to your right. And here you have to say with full confidence 16 times, please believe what I say, 16 times, "Mother, I'm not guilty at all." I've already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands. So it is a myth that you cannot forgive. So now raise your right hand on your forehead across and put down your head and press it on both the sides. Now here say it with full confidence, "Mother, I forgive everyone." From your heart - not how many times. Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and push your head on it as far as possible upward. Here for your satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, you have to say, "Oh Divine Power, if I have done any mistakes please forgive me." Also say it from your heart - not how many times. Now stretch your palm fully and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now press your scalp well by pushing out your fingers. And please bend your head as much as possible. Now, here again I cannot cross over your freedom and cannot force Self Realization on you. So now move your right hand with a great pressure on your scalp. So in such a manner that you move the scalp slowly clockwise seven times saying, "Mother, please give me my Self Realization." Push back your fingers, push back your fingers, put a proper pressure first. (Shri Mataji is blowing into the microphone) Now please take down your hands and open your eyes. Now put the right hand towards Me like this, and bend your head and put the left hand on top to see if there's a Cool Breeze coming out. Don't keep it on top of your head, but away - sometimes you get it very much away. And sometimes you get heat coming - doesn't matter. Now, please put your left hand towards Me and the right hand, you bend your head again and see if with your right hand if there is a Cool Breeze coming out of your head, even if there's a hot Breeze - doesn't matter. See if there is Cool Breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Now again put your right hand towards Me, bend your head and see for yourself if there's a Cool Breeze coming out of your head. See it with your left hand. Now raise both your hands, put your hands up towards the sky and put your head towards the sky. And ask anyone of these questions three times, "Mother, is this the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the All pervading power of Divine Love? Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?" Ask anyone of these questions three times. Don't doubt that, if there's a Cool Breeze coming, don't doubt that it is air-conditioning and all that, suddenly how can it be? Now take down your hands please. Put your hands towards Me like this. Take down your hands. Put both your hands towards Me like this. And don't think - you can do it. You have reached the state of thoughtless awareness. All those who have felt the Cool Breeze or hot Breeze out of their fontanel bone area or on their fingertips or on their hands please raise your both the hands. Those who have felt please raise them higher, I would like to see. Practically I think everybody has felt. (Shri Mataji laughing) So I bow to all the saints of Austria. Now you have felt it, but you must know how to use it. you must know all about it, don't waste it. Whenever I come there are lots of people, but once I go they do not go to the follow on and develop themselves. You have faith in Me but I say, "Have faith in yourself." You all can become like Me. Work it out, we have to transform this world. It is the most important thing today. And you all also have to help Me. We cannot discuss about it, it is beyond our mental activity. You'll enjoy it I know, you'll feel very nice, but you must establish it fully. I hope all of you will make it a point to develop yourselves into great trees. I will come next year again. Till that you have to really grow into great Sahaja Yogis. So respect your Self Realization and you can achieve everything within one months' time. For which you don't have to pay anything - only some time to be given. We save the time, we have watches to save the time - to waste it. So, little time is to be given. So much Cool Breeze that I'm getting Breeze from you. (Shri Mataji laughing) So, thank you very much! Thank you!

6/19/1990

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Adi Kundalini Puja: The Advent Of Primordial Kundalini

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Shri Adi Kundalini puja. Mödling (Austria), 19 June 1990. Today we have assembled here to do the Kundalini Puja. Once we had done it in India long, long time back and this is the first time we are doing this puja here in Austria. This is the puja of the Adi Kundalini, is the Primordial Kundalini. [speaks aside] You must have seen in the hand of Athena, who is the Primordial Mother, there is a power which is a snake in the left hand. [speaks aside] And the Primordial Mother has one of Her powers, which we can say, as the Primordial Kundalini, is a part of Her. Of course, She's beyond that, but She is reflected in human being as the Kundalini. Now one has to know that to create an incarnation, lot of work has gone into. So many things had to be envisaged. One had to have the vision that, when a human being is created, how an incarnation can help him. At different levels, we had incarnations on this Earth and they were sent with a particular idea that they should achieve a particular type of ascent in that particular time. They were all part and parcel of the Primordial Mother and they all had a very powerful Kundalini built within them. But the incarnation of this Kali Yuga is very complicated. First it had to be worked out what will be the situation in which this incarnation would be born and what sort of encounters this incarnation would have. So the major propelling force, you can say, the major work had to be done in the incarnation to create a very strong spinal cord, so that it could bear the Primordial Kundalini, which is responsible for doing this great work of transformation. Now this Kundalini, She's the primordial one, has all the powers built in of redemption, of ascent, but apart from that, to be born in this Kali Yuga, one had to know what sort of people one has to face and then how to bring them round to the understanding of Sahaja Yoga and to the understanding that they have to have their ascent. So there are many sources of energies and knowledge, which are to be used because it's a very complicated world in which the Primordial Kundalini had to work. It was not a simple thing like people coming to Himalayas. They were already clean people, very desirous of getting Realization. They didn't have all kind of inhibitions and conditions and ego. They were completely surrendered and after a great amount of penance, they would arrive. So to raise their Kundalini was not such a complete thing. So not only that, the Primordial Kundalini had to give ascent to people, but She had to also understand what sort of people are there - Why don't you take out the child? What's the matter? I think open the windows. Perhaps children are feeling hot. Normally children don't cry unless and until there is some problem. You have to be careful. So all the aspects of human beings on the random movement of human beings, all their adventures and enterprises, they are to be understood by the incarnation, to communicate with the Primordial Kundalini. And also such a person had to be a Mahamaya so that she or he, whatever it is, has to behave in such a manner that nobody should feel frightened or should feel something distant. So this Mahamaya swarupa had to be taken. So the Adi Shakti's work is doublefold. First is to know about the present, the way the people are, their cultures, their styles, their conditionings, their egos, everything, how they behave. Though the Adi Shakti is unaware of all these things because She doesn't know this is human adventure. She doesn't know how far they have gone and what do they see, what do they dream, what are their ideas. And the another work is of the Kundalini. So She's divided in two - two parts. One is the Kundalini and another is the Sahasrara. So the Sahasrara has to supply all the material, all the information to the Kundalini and then the Kundalini has to work out. Of course, as you know very well, there are deities who are built in everywhere in the Sahasrara, also the whole body and they are the ones who communicate whatever has to be communicated properly, but it's a very complicated work, extremely complicated. So this Primordial Kundalini acts for the collective, [???], as well as for the individual. Now supposing you go to a place like, say, an airport. So you start absorbing the heat of the people. Then the perspiration starts and you have to see all this work is done through your body. Or, at the same time, if there's somebody, individual who has some problem also can be absorbed and can be corrected. So it acts on both the levels - one on the individual and one on the collective, that is to say samashti and rashti. And simultaneously this can act. Now the attention, which is the power of the brain, we can say the power of Sahasrara, also has to be extremely deep, alert and intelligible. All this work had to be done to create this incarnation of Primordial Kundalini and the Sahasrara. So many mechanisms were used. So many types of wiring were done, as you do it, like as you try to fix your computer to make it the most efficient one, in the same way, a lot of work was to be put in. And first you had to watch human beings for two thousand years, how they have been behaving, what they have been doing and now what sort of human beings are there. Every nation had different conditionings. Every individual had different conditioning. It's very difficult work and one had to have really the ocean of patience, inexhaustible ocean of patience. And that's how this work of Sahaja Yoga, the whole stage was set in. As you have put the stage here, you have done a marvellous work and it looks very nice, beautiful, everything is there, but the stage for Sahaja Yoga was very complicated one, extremely complicated because the work was so dynamic, so subtle, at the same time so loving, so affectionate. All the intelligence of the Divine was used to manufacture this incarnation and to get a human Realization was also very difficult. You had to be born like an ordinary human being, to live in your family like an ordinary person. You had to find out through entering into everybody's Kundalini what was wrong with them, what was the mistake, how you could use the permutations and combinations of their chakras to give them en masse Realization. It was a tremendous task and that had to be done with the Sahasrara. But it has been achieved. All these great plans of the Divine and everybody's detailed working are and bringing everything to a par excellence level was really tremendous. I Myself surprised at Myself and amazed how I could really get so many people in Sahaja Yoga. I didn't expect it, but it has worked tremendously because of the cooperation of human beings also, otherwise it would not have been possible. Now when you do these pujas and all those things, you please those deities, make them happy because they have done so much work. Is your gratitude for them that they have worked so hard with such diligence, with such precisions that today we have been able to achieve this great drama of Sahaja Yoga. Those who are Sahaja Yogis perhaps do not realize what is the great work done in the background and how much time it took to build up the whole thing, to bring it to this level of perfection. So the Primordial Kundalini, which is reflected in you as your Kundalini, also is of the same nature and it works in the same way. It rises, gives you Self Realization, gives you the powers, but after all one has to know it is a reflection and a reflection to make it truthful, real. You have to look at reality first, how the real one, the real Kundalini, the real Primordial One, how it acts, how it works. If you start thinking about My Kundalini only, immediately you will become silent, no question. You cannot think, just you become silent. Just think of any one of My chakras and your chakras will be all right. But you have to have that depth. You have to have that much protocol. You have to have that much right. Just it will act. Don't have to do anything. Just you have to think of My chakras. Just think about My Kundalini. That's sufficient. But you have to develop that surrendering situation. Even now there are Sahaja Yogis who doubt. They have seen the word. They have seen everything, still they doubt and they [???] to people who are on the periphery. And there are Sahaja Yogis who are still sticking on to many things. They cannot change. They haven't got yet that courage to change themselves. I don't say that you have to change anything outside, but a time comes you might have to change also, so you should be prepared. How much we are courageous, that is to be weighed and to be found out. Unless and until you have full courage, you cannot establish Sahaja Yoga in a quick way. When you are using your own Kundalini, you have to know that the Kundalini that is your own has problems. She Herself has gone through various ages and stages and She Herself is sometimes very much hurt, very unhappy and very weak and then She cannot rise. So if you want that this Kundalini that is your own, that is your own mother has to give you all the nourishment and everything, you must learn, first of all, foremost thing, how to surrender to reality. So if you learn how to surrender to the Primordial Kundalini, then your Kundalini's immediately strengthened. It's like this, supposing you have a stone and you try to put anything on it, it won't reflect. Then you improve the wood, still nothing will be reflected. Then you paint it, some reflection will come. Then you have the glass. The glass won't reflect. But if you use some mercury and make it a mirror, it will reflect, but still it may not be the perfect mirror. So this is how the kind of reflector you are, on that depends the kind of reflection you get and the kind of personality you develop. So there should be no aim as such to be dissolved into the reality, should be the desire within you. Start dissolving into it. Then one does not have to talk about detachment. One does not have to talk about anything, about any virtues. They automatically come because now you have become the Divine. Once you become the Divine, even your Kundalini becomes absolutely, beautifully, completely reflecting the primordial one. So today I had decided to have this puja and to tell you about this Primordial Kundalini and how it has been worked out, it has been built in and it has been given so many powers. Formerly, before this kind of Sahaja Yoga, people had to cleanse their chakras, cleanse their body, cleanse their mind, do all kinds of things, tapas and then they would think of having Realization. Even Mahavira did twelve years of tapas, while in Sahaja Yoga none of you have done any tapas, nothing. From the very first day you have been blessed and you have had blessings and you have been enjoying your blessings throughout. So that is a temptation. Remember it's a temptation. Don't get lost with the blessings that you are having. You have to go further and further and further. So it's not a difficult life in Sahaja Yoga at all. On the contrary, it's very much easier, but then people start using Sahaja Yoga for certain purposes which secretly they know that they are using Sahaj Yoga for that purpose and that purpose. If you start using Sahaj Yoga for any such purpose, then again you have a fall, then again you have to understand that this was a wrong thing and then again you rise. So people go like this, up and down, up and down, up and down. But still, I must say, this Realization that is given to you has been given without cleansing you, without telling you anything, without asking for anything, without any kind of bondage on you, bandhan on you and you got this Realization, but now, immediately after Realization, you are in the bondage of your Kundalini and you have to look after Her and you have to look after yourself. Now you have to identify yourself fully with your Kundalini and then everything works out all right. So today is the day when we have to decide that our greatest weapon as Austria is Astra, is Kundalini and we should know how to use it, what mantra's to be used, what is the problem we have and we should not be shy of our problem. If we have a problem, we should know this is our problem. It must be corrected. Also we should know the technique fully. I find that some people know lots of techniques and also they know how to give big speeches, but they are not good in their hearts. The hearts are not clean. They want to use their power of speech just to show off their knowledge. Then there are some people who are - who are such that they are good in vibrations and they want to give vibrations, but they are afraid and they don't know much about the technique. So you have to know all these three things properly if you really want to achieve full results of your ascent and if you really want to transform the world, then you have to know you have to be ideal people. You cannot be problematic people. Now see, yesterday I was surprised how many people they were sick, how many people were suffering from this or that. While you should thank your stars that none of you have any sickness, you are perfectly all right, you don't have bad habits, you don't have anything. You've just come out of it. But to go further, you have to have full determination and understanding that this is a tremendous work and a tremendous task and all your powers to be awakened within yourself. You have to be first of all fully equipped with readiness, readiness to serve the Divine. Unless and until you have that readiness, that "I don't want anything. I don't want. I just want to serve the Divine." As long as you are striving for it and asking for it with full heart, with full sincerity, then I'm sure this Kundalini will be strengthened and She'll cleanse you completely and you'll one day be Mahayogis. May God bless you all.

Shri Adi Kundalini puja. Mödling (Austria), 19 June 1990. Today we have assembled here to do the Kundalini Puja. Once we had done it in India long, long time back and this is the first time we are doing this puja here in Austria. This is the puja of the Adi Kundalini, is the Primordial Kundalini. [speaks aside] You must have seen in the hand of Athena, who is the Primordial Mother, there is a power which is a snake in the left hand. [speaks aside] And the Primordial Mother has one of Her powers, which we can say, as the Primordial Kundalini, is a part of Her. Of course, She's beyond that, but She is reflected in human being as the Kundalini. Now one has to know that to create an incarnation, lot of work has gone into. So many things had to be envisaged. One had to have the vision that, when a human being is created, how an incarnation can help him. At different levels, we had incarnations on this Earth and they were sent with a particular idea that they should achieve a particular type of ascent in that particular time. They were all part and parcel of the Primordial Mother and they all had a very powerful Kundalini built within them. But the incarnation of this Kali Yuga is very complicated. First it had to be worked out what will be the situation in which this incarnation would be born and what sort of encounters this incarnation would have. So the major propelling force, you can say, the major work had to be done in the incarnation to create a very strong spinal cord, so that it could bear the Primordial Kundalini, which is responsible for doing this great work of transformation. Now this Kundalini, She's the primordial one, has all the powers built in of redemption, of ascent, but apart from that, to be born in this Kali Yuga, one had to know what sort of people one has to face and then how to bring them round to the understanding of Sahaja Yoga and to the understanding that they have to have their ascent. So there are many sources of energies and knowledge, which are to be used because it's a very complicated world in which the Primordial Kundalini had to work. It was not a simple thing like people coming to Himalayas. They were already clean people, very desirous of getting Realization. They didn't have all kind of inhibitions and conditions and ego. They were completely surrendered and after a great amount of penance, they would arrive. So to raise their Kundalini was not such a complete thing. So not only that, the Primordial Kundalini had to give ascent to people, but She had to also understand what sort of people are there - Why don't you take out the child? What's the matter? I think open the windows. Perhaps children are feeling hot. Normally children don't cry unless and until there is some problem. You have to be careful. So all the aspects of human beings on the random movement of human beings, all their adventures and enterprises, they are to be understood by the incarnation, to communicate with the Primordial Kundalini. And also such a person had to be a Mahamaya so that she or he, whatever it is, has to behave in such a manner that nobody should feel frightened or should feel something distant. So this Mahamaya swarupa had to be taken. So the Adi Shakti's work is doublefold. First is to know about the present, the way the people are, their cultures, their styles, their conditionings, their egos, everything, how they behave. Though the Adi Shakti is unaware of all these things because She doesn't know this is human adventure. She doesn't know how far they have gone and what do they see, what do they dream, what are their ideas. And the another work is of the Kundalini. So She's divided in two - two parts. One is the Kundalini and another is the Sahasrara. So the Sahasrara has to supply all the material, all the information to the Kundalini and then the Kundalini has to work out. Of course, as you know very well, there are deities who are built in everywhere in the Sahasrara, also the whole body and they are the ones who communicate whatever has to be communicated properly, but it's a very complicated work, extremely complicated. So this Primordial Kundalini acts for the collective, [???], as well as for the individual. Now supposing you go to a place like, say, an airport. So you start absorbing the heat of the people. Then the perspiration starts and you have to see all this work is done through your body. Or, at the same time, if there's somebody, individual who has some problem also can be absorbed and can be corrected. So it acts on both the levels - one on the individual and one on the collective, that is to say samashti and rashti. And simultaneously this can act. Now the attention, which is the power of the brain, we can say the power of Sahasrara, also has to be extremely deep, alert and intelligible. All this work had to be done to create this incarnation of Primordial Kundalini and the Sahasrara. So many mechanisms were used. So many types of wiring were done, as you do it, like as you try to fix your computer to make it the most efficient one, in the same way, a lot of work was to be put in. And first you had to watch human beings for two thousand years, how they have been behaving, what they have been doing and now what sort of human beings are there. Every nation had different conditionings. Every individual had different conditioning. It's very difficult work and one had to have really the ocean of patience, inexhaustible ocean of patience. And that's how this work of Sahaja Yoga, the whole stage was set in. As you have put the stage here, you have done a marvellous work and it looks very nice, beautiful, everything is there, but the stage for Sahaja Yoga was very complicated one, extremely complicated because the work was so dynamic, so subtle, at the same time so loving, so affectionate. All the intelligence of the Divine was used to manufacture this incarnation and to get a human Realization was also very difficult. You had to be born like an ordinary human being, to live in your family like an ordinary person. You had to find out through entering into everybody's Kundalini what was wrong with them, what was the mistake, how you could use the permutations and combinations of their chakras to give them en masse Realization. It was a tremendous task and that had to be done with the Sahasrara. But it has been achieved. All these great plans of the Divine and everybody's detailed working are and bringing everything to a par excellence level was really tremendous. I Myself surprised at Myself and amazed how I could really get so many people in Sahaja Yoga. I didn't expect it, but it has worked tremendously because of the cooperation of human beings also, otherwise it would not have been possible. Now when you do these pujas and all those things, you please those deities, make them happy because they have done so much work. Is your gratitude for them that they have worked so hard with such diligence, with such precisions that today we have been able to achieve this great drama of Sahaja Yoga. Those who are Sahaja Yogis perhaps do not realize what is the great work done in the background and how much time it took to build up the whole thing, to bring it to this level of perfection. So the Primordial Kundalini, which is reflected in you as your Kundalini, also is of the same nature and it works in the same way. It rises, gives you Self Realization, gives you the powers, but after all one has to know it is a reflection and a reflection to make it truthful, real. You have to look at reality first, how the real one, the real Kundalini, the real Primordial One, how it acts, how it works. If you start thinking about My Kundalini only, immediately you will become silent, no question. You cannot think, just you become silent. Just think of any one of My chakras and your chakras will be all right. But you have to have that depth. You have to have that much protocol. You have to have that much right. Just it will act. Don't have to do anything. Just you have to think of My chakras. Just think about My Kundalini. That's sufficient. But you have to develop that surrendering situation. Even now there are Sahaja Yogis who doubt. They have seen the word. They have seen everything, still they doubt and they [???] to people who are on the periphery. And there are Sahaja Yogis who are still sticking on to many things. They cannot change. They haven't got yet that courage to change themselves. I don't say that you have to change anything outside, but a time comes you might have to change also, so you should be prepared. How much we are courageous, that is to be weighed and to be found out. Unless and until you have full courage, you cannot establish Sahaja Yoga in a quick way. When you are using your own Kundalini, you have to know that the Kundalini that is your own has problems. She Herself has gone through various ages and stages and She Herself is sometimes very much hurt, very unhappy and very weak and then She cannot rise. So if you want that this Kundalini that is your own, that is your own mother has to give you all the nourishment and everything, you must learn, first of all, foremost thing, how to surrender to reality. So if you learn how to surrender to the Primordial Kundalini, then your Kundalini's immediately strengthened. It's like this, supposing you have a stone and you try to put anything on it, it won't reflect. Then you improve the wood, still nothing will be reflected. Then you paint it, some reflection will come. Then you have the glass. The glass won't reflect. But if you use some mercury and make it a mirror, it will reflect, but still it may not be the perfect mirror. So this is how the kind of reflector you are, on that depends the kind of reflection you get and the kind of personality you develop. So there should be no aim as such to be dissolved into the reality, should be the desire within you. Start dissolving into it. Then one does not have to talk about detachment. One does not have to talk about anything, about any virtues. They automatically come because now you have become the Divine. Once you become the Divine, even your Kundalini becomes absolutely, beautifully, completely reflecting the primordial one. So today I had decided to have this puja and to tell you about this Primordial Kundalini and how it has been worked out, it has been built in and it has been given so many powers. Formerly, before this kind of Sahaja Yoga, people had to cleanse their chakras, cleanse their body, cleanse their mind, do all kinds of things, tapas and then they would think of having Realization. Even Mahavira did twelve years of tapas, while in Sahaja Yoga none of you have done any tapas, nothing. From the very first day you have been blessed and you have had blessings and you have been enjoying your blessings throughout. So that is a temptation. Remember it's a temptation. Don't get lost with the blessings that you are having. You have to go further and further and further. So it's not a difficult life in Sahaja Yoga at all. On the contrary, it's very much easier, but then people start using Sahaja Yoga for certain purposes which secretly they know that they are using Sahaj Yoga for that purpose and that purpose. If you start using Sahaj Yoga for any such purpose, then again you have a fall, then again you have to understand that this was a wrong thing and then again you rise. So people go like this, up and down, up and down, up and down. But still, I must say, this Realization that is given to you has been given without cleansing you, without telling you anything, without asking for anything, without any kind of bondage on you, bandhan on you and you got this Realization, but now, immediately after Realization, you are in the bondage of your Kundalini and you have to look after Her and you have to look after yourself. Now you have to identify yourself fully with your Kundalini and then everything works out all right. So today is the day when we have to decide that our greatest weapon as Austria is Astra, is Kundalini and we should know how to use it, what mantra's to be used, what is the problem we have and we should not be shy of our problem. If we have a problem, we should know this is our problem. It must be corrected. Also we should know the technique fully. I find that some people know lots of techniques and also they know how to give big speeches, but they are not good in their hearts. The hearts are not clean. They want to use their power of speech just to show off their knowledge. Then there are some people who are - who are such that they are good in vibrations and they want to give vibrations, but they are afraid and they don't know much about the technique. So you have to know all these three things properly if you really want to achieve full results of your ascent and if you really want to transform the world, then you have to know you have to be ideal people. You cannot be problematic people. Now see, yesterday I was surprised how many people they were sick, how many people were suffering from this or that. While you should thank your stars that none of you have any sickness, you are perfectly all right, you don't have bad habits, you don't have anything. You've just come out of it. But to go further, you have to have full determination and understanding that this is a tremendous work and a tremendous task and all your powers to be awakened within yourself. You have to be first of all fully equipped with readiness, readiness to serve the Divine. Unless and until you have that readiness, that "I don't want anything. I don't want. I just want to serve the Divine." As long as you are striving for it and asking for it with full heart, with full sincerity, then I'm sure this Kundalini will be strengthened and She'll cleanse you completely and you'll one day be Mahayogis. May God bless you all.

6/20/1990

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Public Program Day 1, Greece, 1990-06-20 [introduction in Greek][Shri Mataji speaks from minute 3:53] I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that truth is what it is and we cannot treat nor can we understand it through this human awareness. But what is the truth? The truth is we are not this body, we are not these emotions, we are not this intellect, we are not our conditioning or our ego but we are pure Spirit. And the second things is that there is a very subtle power which is called as the All-Pervading Power of Divine Love which looks after all the living work. We see these beautiful flowers but we take them for granted, we don't think how they are created so beautifully. All the religions have said one thing: is to seek the eternal and the [UNCLEAR] is to be treated with its own understanding and limitations but all the religions have deviated from this path of seeking the eternal. You are already told about this mechanism that exists within you for which you have to keep your minds open like scientists and if it works then you have to accept it as the truth. Today I think it is very important to understand what problems we are facing. We are not aware as to what problems are propping us. Now the problem of war is particularly [UNCLEAR] but the problem that is going to destroy us is going to work out from within. And we can see in America which is a very advanced country, the country is full of problems of modern civilization and all these problems are falling up everywhere in Europe, also in Greece. The first problem is of AIDS. In 1974 when I first visited America I told them about it, that such a disease is going to come but nobody wanted to listen to me about it. About eight years back I told them there's another disease which is coming, it's called as "yuppie's disease" where your conscious mind becomes paralyzed, also the schizophrenia that is so common that they're saying 60 per cent people in America will have schizophrenia. That has come through different kinds of experimental parapsychology, mesmerism and false gurus. And the violence that you face in that country is absolutely unimaginable. I was going to Los Angeles on the street and somebody told me that we should keep our car doors completely shut because people are just killing on the street, last week there were 11 people killed. Also, there are so many psychosomatic diseases which never existed. When I've had medicine we have never heard of cancer or anything like myelitis, means the loosing of the muscle power but so many diseases now have come which were never heard of and still people are not so aware in the democratic countries, they do not know what they're going to face now, very soon. While I was surprised that in Russia people are extremely aware and they want to know the truth, even in the Eastern bloc, they want to know the Absolute Truth. It is very remarkable that with all our freedom that we have we have wasted our attention onto something that we do not know what we have to achieve in that. This is the evolutionary process and we have to jump into a new awareness called as "collective consciousness". Unless and until we become the Spirit we cannot know the Absolute Truth. And all this is within you, your powers because this is within you, all these things are within you and it can work out in no time. I can really give you that status of the Spirit by which you get rid of all your physical, mental, emotional problems. But our attention is, has become so frivolous that till we see ourselves into the greatest problem we do not even bother about it because of ignorance which is darkness we cannot see the greatness we have to see. Supposing you are holding onto a snake and there is darkness and somebody tells you there's a snake in your hand, you are not going to believe it and you're going to say:"No, it is not a snake but this is a rope". Till the snake bites you are not going to believe it. So the best thing is to put on the light so in that light you see where are you going. I've seen in Greece there are many young people who are seekers, seekers of Truth genuinely seeking but they've been to all kind of funny false people and have been harmed by these lepers and they are so tired now that they find it difficult to come up to Sahaja yoga to get the reality. You have to know that you cannot pay for it, it is a living process like the seed sprouting and you don't pay anything to the mother earth and the Divine doesn't understand money, it's a human idea. But somehow they have managed to befool so many seekers and destroy them. Another problem that is coming here is drugs and alcoholism and once they get into it they find it impossible to get out because they have no power to get out. So it is important first of all to understand and to accept that we have to have our self-realization. It cannot be forced on you. If you care for your life and if you care for the life of your children then you must understand that there is a life which is much higher full of joy for you. This is for the emancipation of your being, of your country, of the whole world. This is going to happen during these times only and it is working out wonders. We have been working now in 40 nations. I'm sorry we came to Greece a little late because there was no one here who was a Sahaja yogi but doesn't matter. You have to understand that it's the easiest way to get your ascend. Sahaja - "sa" means "with", "ja" means "born with you". Born with you is the right to be in "yoga" means "union with the Divine power" and that is what it is and you should take full advantage of it. Today because of [UNCLEAR] we started the program late and any amount of topic is not going to happen but it's the actualization of the experience which is important, which all of you should get. Of course, you have questions, I know that. But if it is possible you can write the questions today and tomorrow I'll answer them properly. Now these, there are so many lights you see here which can be put on with one switch. But if I start telling you all about the electricity and how it came and how this ball is coming, it's [UNCLEAR]. The best thing to get your realization, to have your light. So everything is within you, there is no danger at all as some people have said it. It's all a modern idea to stop people from achieving reality. We have seen so many people now, thousands of thousands of thousands, we cannot tell how many were, on the contrary it has given so much benedictions because Kundalini is your individual mother and she knows everything about you and she is very anxious to give you your second birth and this actualization of the baptism has to take place otherwise we are lost. And she is anxiously waiting. So I think it should work out in Greece in a very fast way because you are very traditional people and the Greeks knew about it because they called this bone which contains the Kundalini as "sacrum" means "sacred". Also Athena means the "Primordial Mother" in the Sanskrit language and they showed in Her hand a snake as the energy of Kundalini and also on Her back you see the Kundalini coming up and blessing Her. So in the Christian theology as they say that there is God the Father and God the Son but they don't want to know about the Mother, about the Holy Ghost. I don't know why they try to avoid this point because if there is a father and a son there has to be a mother and this is Athena or we call it in our country as Adi, Adi Shakti - is the Primordial Mother and the Kundalini is the reflection of that Primordial Mother within us while the Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in your heart and the seat of the Spirit is at the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in our childhood. So when the Kundalini pierces through the seventh chakra, this fontanel bone area, which is the actualization of your baptism, then the seeking of [UNCLEAR] and the Spirit, the light of the Spirit comes into our attention. It is not just talking, it has to work out, it has to happen, that's the main thing. I think we should have this now, the session of Kundalini awakening and if you write your questions tomorrow definitely I will give you all the answers. Is it all right, you want to have? There is one thing that I respect your freedom and it cannot be forced on you so those who want to have should only stay in the hall otherwise you are welcome to leave. It's meant only for people who have desire to know the truth, who are honest and genuine one. So there are two conditions before we start the session. The first condition is that you have to be in the present and forget the past. So you have to be absolutely free from guilt, forget all the guilt. After all we are human beings and if human beings commit mistakes what's wrong with it, after all, we are not Gods. But it is also fashion to feel guilty, especially it's in Greece people [UNCLEAR] in a Greek tragedy. Reality is not tragedy, it's a comedy and Reality, when you enter you'll be surprised that you just feel joy, nothing else. So first condition is that you are not guilty at all. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. Some people say that it is difficult to forgive but logically whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything, it's only our mental idea. But when you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and you torture yourself for nothing at all. On the contrary, the one who wants to torture you is quite happy. So please forgive everyone, in general, don't think of anybody, in general. That means you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourself as you are to enter into the kingdom of God we should be really happy about it. So forget all the tragedies, all the guilt and all those who have tried to make you unhappy. That's very important too because when you feel guilty the centre here on the left-hand side catches very badly and this gives you diseases like spondylitis, like angina, serious diseases. And when you don't forgive then the centre in the brain, on the optic chiasm is closed like this but when you forgive it opens up and helps the Kundalini to rise. Tomorrow I'll explain to you about how it works out and what is the nature of Spirit. Alright. So I have to request you to take off our shoes because the Mother Earth helps [UNCLEAR] a lot. You have to put your left hand towards Me on your lap, sit very comfortably, that means don't flex yourself backwards or forward. Please put your left hand like this towards Me on your lap comfortably and we have to use our right hand for nourishing our centres with our self-confidence. Now the left hand represents the desire power, the desire to get your self-realization and the right hand is the action that you take to help the Kundalini to rise. It is very simple, Mr. Stamathis will tell you, show you how to do it. So left hand towards Me and the right hand first we put it on the heart and in the heart resides the Spirit. Then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, this is the center of our mastery, all the great masters have created this centre and when it is fully enlightened we become also masters of ourselves and master this knowledge, this knowledge of the roots. Now we take down our right hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. This is the centre of pure knowledge, pure knowledge is in Sanskrit called as "bodhi" or as "vidya", means that you have to know the knowledge on your central nervous system. Like a dog now goes and pass to dirty lanes and dirt roads but human beings cannot because in the evolutionary process they have achieved a pure awareness, pure awareness of cleanliness and beauty on their central nervous system. In the same way the knowldege about the Divine power start manifesting on your central nervous system and you become the power to raise the Kundalini of others and to give them self-realization. Also we become collectively conscious to know what others are suffering, what problems they have and what problems you have. Now we take back our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, then again on the heart. Now we put our right hand in the corner of our neck and our head and we put our head on the right side, looking at the shoulder. This centre catches when you feel guilty. Now we have to take our right hand on our forehead across and we have to put down our head and press it hard on both the sides. This is the center to ask forgiveness, no, we use this centre to forgive everyone, in general. And then you have to put your right hand on the backside of your head and push your head backwards on it as far as possible. Now this is the centre to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power but without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand fully and stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now you have to push back your fingers right and bend your head as much as possible and now you have to move your scalp by stretching the fingers backwards, you put a nice pressure on it. You move your scalp now with that pressure seven times, very slowly, clockwise, push back your fingers and bend your head, this is very important. Alright, that's all we have to do. But now we have to close our eyes. Close our eyes. You can take out your spectacles and not to open your eyes till I tell you. Now put your feet apart from each other, those who are sitting on the ground are all right. Now while we're doing meditation please don't get up and walk about to disturb, it's a serious thing. Now please put your left hand towards Me like this and right hand on the heart. Here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question, you can call Me Mother or Shri Mataji, whatever you like, it works like a computer. You ask Me a question three times: "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask this question three times. Now if you are the Spirit, if you are the Spirit, you are your master, your guide because the light of your Spirit guides you. So now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it. Here again you have to ask another question to Me three times:"Mother, am I my own master?" I've already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So now please put your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Here you have to ask for pure knowledge, so please say: "Mother, give me pure knowledge." This has to be said six times because this centre has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. So now you have to help other centres, the higher centres, by, with your self-confidence. Please have faith in yourself. Now raise your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and with full confidence ask Me ten times, or say ten times with full confidence:"Mother, I am my own master." I want to recall you that one of the greatest truth about you is that you are pure Spirit and you are not this body, nor your emotions, nor your intelligence, you are not your conditionings or your ego but you are your Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart and with full confidence please say 12 times:"Mother, I am the Spirit." So now as I have told you before that you have to know that you are not guilty at all. Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love, it is the ocean of benevolence and blessings, it is the ocean of joy but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness and whatever mistakes you might have committed they'll be easily dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So now please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and and turn your head to the right. At this centre you have to say with full confidence 16 times: "Mother, I am not guilty at all." I've already told you that you have to forgive everyone and whether you forgive or don't forgive you really don't do anything. But if you don't forgive then, of course, you play into very wrong hands. So now raise your right hand on your forehead across and bend your head until [UNCLEAR] and here you have to say with full confidence:"Mother, I forgive everyone", not how many times, but from your heart. This is the worst center we have so please forgive, if you don't forgive your Kundalini won't rise. Please bend your head and say it from your heart:"I forgive everyone." Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and put your head upward as far as possible on that hand. Here again without counting, from your heart you have to say: "Oh, Divine power, if I've done any mistakes, please forgive me." You're not to count your mistakes, nor you have to think about anything but you have to just say for your satisfaction that:"Oh, Divine power, please forgive me if I have done any mistakes." Now, stretch your hand fully and stretch your palm and put it on top of your fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now stretch back your fingers and now put down your head properly, properly and now put a nice pressure on your sculp. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom, you have to ask for self-realization. So now move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise and ask at the same time seven times:"Mother, please give me my self-realization." Now please take down your hands, open your eyes. Now watch Me without thinking, raise your both the hands like this and watch me without thinking. Please if you don't want to do it, you shouldn't do it but you shouldn't watch other people also. You have to be kind and you have to be civil. Please put both your hands. You didn't do anything but you were just watching everybody. All the time you're just watching outward when I mean it to watch ourselves. Now please put your right hand like this and your head down and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Don't touch your head but it is somewhere. Sometimes you get quite further on the cool breeze or sometimes heat's coming out, doesn't matter. After some time the heat will subside and you'll get the cool breeze coming out. Now bend your head and see, bend your head, it's better. Now please put your left hand like this and bend your head again and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming. Again we try and again. You bend your head and see with the left hand if there is cool breeze coming out of your head. Now please raise both the hands, like this and your head upward, and ask a question, ask any one of these questions, any one of them, three times:"Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?", "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Divine Power, the Divine power of love?", "Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?" Ask any one of these questions three times. Now bring down your hands. Those who have felt cool breeze out of their head or heat out of their head and or on their hands, please raise both your hands, both the hands. [UNCLEAR] Please raise higher, I can't see. Thank you very much. So many of you have get. I bow to you all. Some of you did not feel. Maybe, maybe there is something wrong physically or maybe that you are not confident, or maybe you are feeling guilty or maybe you've been to some false guru. Doesn't matter, in any case it will work out. You'll feel very peaceful but tomorrow it will be nicely settled down and you'll really feel it a big way and I feel all of you will get it. So also you should call your friends. And this is the best thing that you can do for your friends. May God bless you! Thank you very much.

Public Program Day 1, Greece, 1990-06-20 [introduction in Greek][Shri Mataji speaks from minute 3:53] I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to know that truth is what it is and we cannot treat nor can we understand it through this human awareness. But what is the truth? The truth is we are not this body, we are not these emotions, we are not this intellect, we are not our conditioning or our ego but we are pure Spirit. And the second things is that there is a very subtle power which is called as the All-Pervading Power of Divine Love which looks after all the living work. We see these beautiful flowers but we take them for granted, we don't think how they are created so beautifully. All the religions have said one thing: is to seek the eternal and the [UNCLEAR] is to be treated with its own understanding and limitations but all the religions have deviated from this path of seeking the eternal. You are already told about this mechanism that exists within you for which you have to keep your minds open like scientists and if it works then you have to accept it as the truth. Today I think it is very important to understand what problems we are facing. We are not aware as to what problems are propping us. Now the problem of war is particularly [UNCLEAR] but the problem that is going to destroy us is going to work out from within. And we can see in America which is a very advanced country, the country is full of problems of modern civilization and all these problems are falling up everywhere in Europe, also in Greece. The first problem is of AIDS. In 1974 when I first visited America I told them about it, that such a disease is going to come but nobody wanted to listen to me about it. About eight years back I told them there's another disease which is coming, it's called as "yuppie's disease" where your conscious mind becomes paralyzed, also the schizophrenia that is so common that they're saying 60 per cent people in America will have schizophrenia. That has come through different kinds of experimental parapsychology, mesmerism and false gurus. And the violence that you face in that country is absolutely unimaginable. I was going to Los Angeles on the street and somebody told me that we should keep our car doors completely shut because people are just killing on the street, last week there were 11 people killed. Also, there are so many psychosomatic diseases which never existed. When I've had medicine we have never heard of cancer or anything like myelitis, means the loosing of the muscle power but so many diseases now have come which were never heard of and still people are not so aware in the democratic countries, they do not know what they're going to face now, very soon. While I was surprised that in Russia people are extremely aware and they want to know the truth, even in the Eastern bloc, they want to know the Absolute Truth. It is very remarkable that with all our freedom that we have we have wasted our attention onto something that we do not know what we have to achieve in that. This is the evolutionary process and we have to jump into a new awareness called as "collective consciousness". Unless and until we become the Spirit we cannot know the Absolute Truth. And all this is within you, your powers because this is within you, all these things are within you and it can work out in no time. I can really give you that status of the Spirit by which you get rid of all your physical, mental, emotional problems. But our attention is, has become so frivolous that till we see ourselves into the greatest problem we do not even bother about it because of ignorance which is darkness we cannot see the greatness we have to see. Supposing you are holding onto a snake and there is darkness and somebody tells you there's a snake in your hand, you are not going to believe it and you're going to say:"No, it is not a snake but this is a rope". Till the snake bites you are not going to believe it. So the best thing is to put on the light so in that light you see where are you going. I've seen in Greece there are many young people who are seekers, seekers of Truth genuinely seeking but they've been to all kind of funny false people and have been harmed by these lepers and they are so tired now that they find it difficult to come up to Sahaja yoga to get the reality. You have to know that you cannot pay for it, it is a living process like the seed sprouting and you don't pay anything to the mother earth and the Divine doesn't understand money, it's a human idea. But somehow they have managed to befool so many seekers and destroy them. Another problem that is coming here is drugs and alcoholism and once they get into it they find it impossible to get out because they have no power to get out. So it is important first of all to understand and to accept that we have to have our self-realization. It cannot be forced on you. If you care for your life and if you care for the life of your children then you must understand that there is a life which is much higher full of joy for you. This is for the emancipation of your being, of your country, of the whole world. This is going to happen during these times only and it is working out wonders. We have been working now in 40 nations. I'm sorry we came to Greece a little late because there was no one here who was a Sahaja yogi but doesn't matter. You have to understand that it's the easiest way to get your ascend. Sahaja - "sa" means "with", "ja" means "born with you". Born with you is the right to be in "yoga" means "union with the Divine power" and that is what it is and you should take full advantage of it. Today because of [UNCLEAR] we started the program late and any amount of topic is not going to happen but it's the actualization of the experience which is important, which all of you should get. Of course, you have questions, I know that. But if it is possible you can write the questions today and tomorrow I'll answer them properly. Now these, there are so many lights you see here which can be put on with one switch. But if I start telling you all about the electricity and how it came and how this ball is coming, it's [UNCLEAR]. The best thing to get your realization, to have your light. So everything is within you, there is no danger at all as some people have said it. It's all a modern idea to stop people from achieving reality. We have seen so many people now, thousands of thousands of thousands, we cannot tell how many were, on the contrary it has given so much benedictions because Kundalini is your individual mother and she knows everything about you and she is very anxious to give you your second birth and this actualization of the baptism has to take place otherwise we are lost. And she is anxiously waiting. So I think it should work out in Greece in a very fast way because you are very traditional people and the Greeks knew about it because they called this bone which contains the Kundalini as "sacrum" means "sacred". Also Athena means the "Primordial Mother" in the Sanskrit language and they showed in Her hand a snake as the energy of Kundalini and also on Her back you see the Kundalini coming up and blessing Her. So in the Christian theology as they say that there is God the Father and God the Son but they don't want to know about the Mother, about the Holy Ghost. I don't know why they try to avoid this point because if there is a father and a son there has to be a mother and this is Athena or we call it in our country as Adi, Adi Shakti - is the Primordial Mother and the Kundalini is the reflection of that Primordial Mother within us while the Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty in your heart and the seat of the Spirit is at the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in our childhood. So when the Kundalini pierces through the seventh chakra, this fontanel bone area, which is the actualization of your baptism, then the seeking of [UNCLEAR] and the Spirit, the light of the Spirit comes into our attention. It is not just talking, it has to work out, it has to happen, that's the main thing. I think we should have this now, the session of Kundalini awakening and if you write your questions tomorrow definitely I will give you all the answers. Is it all right, you want to have? There is one thing that I respect your freedom and it cannot be forced on you so those who want to have should only stay in the hall otherwise you are welcome to leave. It's meant only for people who have desire to know the truth, who are honest and genuine one. So there are two conditions before we start the session. The first condition is that you have to be in the present and forget the past. So you have to be absolutely free from guilt, forget all the guilt. After all we are human beings and if human beings commit mistakes what's wrong with it, after all, we are not Gods. But it is also fashion to feel guilty, especially it's in Greece people [UNCLEAR] in a Greek tragedy. Reality is not tragedy, it's a comedy and Reality, when you enter you'll be surprised that you just feel joy, nothing else. So first condition is that you are not guilty at all. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. Some people say that it is difficult to forgive but logically whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything, it's only our mental idea. But when you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and you torture yourself for nothing at all. On the contrary, the one who wants to torture you is quite happy. So please forgive everyone, in general, don't think of anybody, in general. That means you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourself as you are to enter into the kingdom of God we should be really happy about it. So forget all the tragedies, all the guilt and all those who have tried to make you unhappy. That's very important too because when you feel guilty the centre here on the left-hand side catches very badly and this gives you diseases like spondylitis, like angina, serious diseases. And when you don't forgive then the centre in the brain, on the optic chiasm is closed like this but when you forgive it opens up and helps the Kundalini to rise. Tomorrow I'll explain to you about how it works out and what is the nature of Spirit. Alright. So I have to request you to take off our shoes because the Mother Earth helps [UNCLEAR] a lot. You have to put your left hand towards Me on your lap, sit very comfortably, that means don't flex yourself backwards or forward. Please put your left hand like this towards Me on your lap comfortably and we have to use our right hand for nourishing our centres with our self-confidence. Now the left hand represents the desire power, the desire to get your self-realization and the right hand is the action that you take to help the Kundalini to rise. It is very simple, Mr. Stamathis will tell you, show you how to do it. So left hand towards Me and the right hand first we put it on the heart and in the heart resides the Spirit. Then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, this is the center of our mastery, all the great masters have created this centre and when it is fully enlightened we become also masters of ourselves and master this knowledge, this knowledge of the roots. Now we take down our right hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side and press it hard. This is the centre of pure knowledge, pure knowledge is in Sanskrit called as "bodhi" or as "vidya", means that you have to know the knowledge on your central nervous system. Like a dog now goes and pass to dirty lanes and dirt roads but human beings cannot because in the evolutionary process they have achieved a pure awareness, pure awareness of cleanliness and beauty on their central nervous system. In the same way the knowldege about the Divine power start manifesting on your central nervous system and you become the power to raise the Kundalini of others and to give them self-realization. Also we become collectively conscious to know what others are suffering, what problems they have and what problems you have. Now we take back our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, then again on the heart. Now we put our right hand in the corner of our neck and our head and we put our head on the right side, looking at the shoulder. This centre catches when you feel guilty. Now we have to take our right hand on our forehead across and we have to put down our head and press it hard on both the sides. This is the center to ask forgiveness, no, we use this centre to forgive everyone, in general. And then you have to put your right hand on the backside of your head and push your head backwards on it as far as possible. Now this is the centre to ask for forgiveness from the Divine power but without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction. Now you have to stretch your hand fully and stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now you have to push back your fingers right and bend your head as much as possible and now you have to move your scalp by stretching the fingers backwards, you put a nice pressure on it. You move your scalp now with that pressure seven times, very slowly, clockwise, push back your fingers and bend your head, this is very important. Alright, that's all we have to do. But now we have to close our eyes. Close our eyes. You can take out your spectacles and not to open your eyes till I tell you. Now put your feet apart from each other, those who are sitting on the ground are all right. Now while we're doing meditation please don't get up and walk about to disturb, it's a serious thing. Now please put your left hand towards Me like this and right hand on the heart. Here you have to ask Me a very fundamental question, you can call Me Mother or Shri Mataji, whatever you like, it works like a computer. You ask Me a question three times: "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Ask this question three times. Now if you are the Spirit, if you are the Spirit, you are your master, your guide because the light of your Spirit guides you. So now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it. Here again you have to ask another question to Me three times:"Mother, am I my own master?" I've already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So now please put your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Here you have to ask for pure knowledge, so please say: "Mother, give me pure knowledge." This has to be said six times because this centre has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. So now you have to help other centres, the higher centres, by, with your self-confidence. Please have faith in yourself. Now raise your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and with full confidence ask Me ten times, or say ten times with full confidence:"Mother, I am my own master." I want to recall you that one of the greatest truth about you is that you are pure Spirit and you are not this body, nor your emotions, nor your intelligence, you are not your conditionings or your ego but you are your Spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart and with full confidence please say 12 times:"Mother, I am the Spirit." So now as I have told you before that you have to know that you are not guilty at all. Divine power is the ocean of knowledge and love, it is the ocean of benevolence and blessings, it is the ocean of joy but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness and whatever mistakes you might have committed they'll be easily dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So now please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and and turn your head to the right. At this centre you have to say with full confidence 16 times: "Mother, I am not guilty at all." I've already told you that you have to forgive everyone and whether you forgive or don't forgive you really don't do anything. But if you don't forgive then, of course, you play into very wrong hands. So now raise your right hand on your forehead across and bend your head until [UNCLEAR] and here you have to say with full confidence:"Mother, I forgive everyone", not how many times, but from your heart. This is the worst center we have so please forgive, if you don't forgive your Kundalini won't rise. Please bend your head and say it from your heart:"I forgive everyone." Now take back your right hand on the back side of your head and put your head upward as far as possible on that hand. Here again without counting, from your heart you have to say: "Oh, Divine power, if I've done any mistakes, please forgive me." You're not to count your mistakes, nor you have to think about anything but you have to just say for your satisfaction that:"Oh, Divine power, please forgive me if I have done any mistakes." Now, stretch your hand fully and stretch your palm and put it on top of your fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now stretch back your fingers and now put down your head properly, properly and now put a nice pressure on your sculp. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom, you have to ask for self-realization. So now move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise and ask at the same time seven times:"Mother, please give me my self-realization." Now please take down your hands, open your eyes. Now watch Me without thinking, raise your both the hands like this and watch me without thinking. Please if you don't want to do it, you shouldn't do it but you shouldn't watch other people also. You have to be kind and you have to be civil. Please put both your hands. You didn't do anything but you were just watching everybody. All the time you're just watching outward when I mean it to watch ourselves. Now please put your right hand like this and your head down and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Don't touch your head but it is somewhere. Sometimes you get quite further on the cool breeze or sometimes heat's coming out, doesn't matter. After some time the heat will subside and you'll get the cool breeze coming out. Now bend your head and see, bend your head, it's better. Now please put your left hand like this and bend your head again and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming. Again we try and again. You bend your head and see with the left hand if there is cool breeze coming out of your head. Now please raise both the hands, like this and your head upward, and ask a question, ask any one of these questions, any one of them, three times:"Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?", "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Divine Power, the Divine power of love?", "Mother, is this the Paramchaitanya?" Ask any one of these questions three times. Now bring down your hands. Those who have felt cool breeze out of their head or heat out of their head and or on their hands, please raise both your hands, both the hands. [UNCLEAR] Please raise higher, I can't see. Thank you very much. So many of you have get. I bow to you all. Some of you did not feel. Maybe, maybe there is something wrong physically or maybe that you are not confident, or maybe you are feeling guilty or maybe you've been to some false guru. Doesn't matter, in any case it will work out. You'll feel very peaceful but tomorrow it will be nicely settled down and you'll really feel it a big way and I feel all of you will get it. So also you should call your friends. And this is the best thing that you can do for your friends. May God bless you! Thank you very much.

6/21/1990

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See the quality of the disciples of the gurus first

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H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 1990-0621 Public Program Day 2, Athens, Greece. I bow to all the Seekers of Truth. Yesterday I told you what is the truth is. Truth is that you are the spirit and that there is an All Pervading Power, which does all the living work and looks after you also. Now the questions are some of the them are sensible, I’m happy that they are asking Me questions, which means that you have all the freedom to ask questions, there’s no mesmerism going on. The first question is about how to make out a false guru. First thing, I must say that that is a false guru will not give you all the freedom to ask questions, so you can’t object anymore. A guru who does not give you any freedom to ask questions, is not good. But you have to know that you cannot pay for the truth. For example, I can see with My eye that there is a carpet lying here. You know that. I don’t have to pay. I have got My eyes. In the same way, to know the truth, you cannot pay any money. The second point is that you must see what is the quality of the disciples of the gurus first. When you go to a shop, you want to buy something, first you find out from those who have bought, what do they have to say about it. You’ll be surprised, that none of these so called gurus have any disciples who have any idea as to what is the truth nor do they know about Kundalini or they have any knowledge about their spirit. Nor do they lead a life, which is righteous, which is saintly. On the contrary they lead a very evil life sometimes, if they do not live an evil life they are always sick people, they get into trouble. As a Mother I would say, what has your guru given you? Maybe you might be saying that he has given you peace or something like that. It could be just some mesmerism for the time being like that you go into a pub and drink something, you feel a little nice for a while. Then these gurus never talk against each other they never tell somebody’s faults never because Christ has said that Satan will never speak against his own house. There’s a mutual understanding between all of them to loot you and to exploit you. I know some of them, as people they have to come to see me, from those who are suffering because of their heart. So I have told you that you are not even to believe Me, what I’m saying, blindly, till you get your Realisation. But you have keep your minds open, very open like a scientist, listen to what I’m saying and, very soon and if you are real seekers, you’ll get it. But a kind of a, I call it a superior intelligence, you can call it a superior divining elements some people have that they immediately can make out who is real and who is not. A person who cares too much about his body, too much about his appearance, all kinds of pretentions, and a person who a, is so much worried about his food and his sleep and his comfort, and is living in a very luxurious manner at the cost of other’s money, all these things should tell you that this man cannot be a saint.I’ve know of a guru who have mantras to people, in TM, he gave mantras to people, which if you tell any Indian, he’ll laugh and he’ll say what stupid mantras these are! And it was kept a secret, absolutely a secret. There should be no secrecy. Everyone should know everything about the guru, where he gets his money, where he spends it, everything should be known. Now this TM I came to know because there a gentleman who was in a, Scotland, who was running a, who was running a very big foundation for ‘flying in the air’! He, his wife, his child and his director, all suffering from epilepsy, came to me to get cured. His name was Mr. Peter Pearce. I, of course, cured them but they told me horrible things about TM. He told that there are three mantras given, for 300-pounds each, for different age groups. One is Ingah, another is Pinga and another is Thinga. All these three words are not Sanskrit. This guru, their guru does not know a word of Sanskrit. Nothing! Now Ingah means the bite of a scorpion and Pinga means when you get possessed where you go round and round, wrapping round, that’s Pinga, and Thinga means showing like this (Shri Mataji holds up her right thumb) to someone. For that you’ll pay 300, 300 pounds! So now, there they have this program of flying in the air, no self-realisation, no spirit, nothing. First, you must thin down, absolutely. So, first, they had to pay 6000 pounds. Now, first they gave, first they gave water to drink for 6 days, with the water that has boiled potatoes and the 7th day, they gave them the ring (skin) of the potato and, the 8th day, the potatoes because people must thin down and then fly in the air you see. What is the need to fly in the air I don’t know because we are already having jams on the way, like this, if you start flying in the air, what’s the use? But such stupid ideas, if they give, and people want to go there with their stupidity then who can help them? And they broke their bottoms (coccyx) and now so many have (unintelligible). They try all kinds of mesmerism, brain washing, and just want to make money, that’s all, as simple as that. And, if something happens to you, they say, no, no, you must go higher. You must do more. You must say the mantra more. All nonsense! They know that there is a market for seekers are there, so they just come. Sometimes some of them have just come out of jail! Such crooks they have no credibility, nothing, no position in the society, suddenly they elevate themselves. This is to be understood, that what we have gained out of the particular guru whom we have been to, this we must find out! Then there are all nonsensical questions, you see, also which shows that people also some of them do not understand that you have to seek the truth and you have to find it; you have to be serious about it. There’s no stupidity about Sahaja Yoga. And, it is also not for the stupid, is not for the stupid. Those who are honest and those who are really seeking, the Sahaja Yoga will work out! You yourself will become knowledgeable you yourself get all the knowledge. I told you yesterday that there were three doctors in Delhi who have got their MDs. But look at Russia, how sensible they are, they saw what these doctors have done in their work and immediately they have invited them, the government has invited them there. They don’t allow any false gurus to enter in there. Gorbachev is himself a Realized soul so he knows. But where are the Realized souls? You see normally it is something, people go after the show, after the advertising, the show, it’s superficial things. I don’t mind even if you have to go for superficial people, go then but they harm you, they harm your Kundalini. And, you are seekers of truth since ages, not just today and you have to get it. The most surprising, from some of the questions I am surprised, they never doubted this false guru, but they doubt Me! All right, there’s another nice question about Ha-Tha Yoga and other yogas and the relationship to Sahaja Yoga. Ha-Tha Yoga: "Ha" and "Tha" means both the nadis, the Surya and the Chandra Nadis, Sun and Moon channels. And the Patanjali has written such a big book, you see, and said that there are eightfold or you can say "ashtangas", meaning there are eight aspects of this yoga, Ha-Tha Yogas. Out of this, one is Yaman Yama is the one discipline and exercises and all those things and a very wee bit of it is exercises. So, you see, unless and until your Kundalini rises you do not know what you are suffering from! And, then you start exercising then you are just doing something, supposing there’s a problem in your throat and you do the exercise for the stomach, what’s the use? So, first you must know, when the Kundalini rises, where is the problem and that when there is some physical problem then you can do a particular exercise. But these days, there’s a craze for exercise because everybody wants to thin out. They want to become thin like mosquitoes. And, when they get ill what happens to them? Such people who are all the time running after their body, worrying about the body, really have the worst body. They suffer from liver trouble, they suffer from diabetes they suffer from tensions, all kinds of things. But if you become the spirit, the spirit looks after your body and you have to accept your body as it is. They want to look attractive, for what I don’t know, are we going to become prostitutes? If you become the spirit, you look so glorious, so beautiful so peaceful. Now you won’t believe, I’m 67 years of age and I travel practically every third day. I’ve no time for exercises or anything also sometimes I do not get any food to eat. Sometimes I sleep only for 2 hours, he (indicating the Greek Yogi translating) knows that, in the night and I feel very fresh and I always feel full of energy. There’s no tension, there’s no high blood pressure, there’s no problem, I have no problem, physical problem at all of any kind. No cholesterol, nothing of the kind that these people are worried. If you lead a pure life, you don’t create any problems but we pay undue importance to our body and really undue importance to nonsensical things. For example, I know that I have to have a lot of water in my body because there are centres (chakras) and they have to be protected. I don’t mind. So one has to understand what is the purpose of this body but we should not be slave of this body or of our mind or of our fats. We have to use this body for our purpose. So this Ha-Tha has gone too far and I have seen people, most of them who are so serious about Ha-Tha yoga, have become so dry and mostly they have divorces. They always get heart attacks and they have all kinds of problems and they are so hot tempered you can’t go near them. You can’t even talk to them, you better use a barge pole if you want to (unintelligible). So one has to understand that the greatest thing is to become the Spirit. There are so many yogas, there’s Raja Yoga, this, that and all those ashtangas, they are again artificial. When the Kundalini rises then all the centres open and close, and the Kundalini passes and again the centre close down so that it is kept up. But it works automatically. Like in the car, when you ignite the car all the machinery starts working automatically. Like when we eat the food, you see, the digestion starts working automatically. There is one, Raja Yoga, practiced by Yogananda and all those people in America, and I met some doctors from my place who were there in San Diego, they had cut the threads of the tongues and had a loose tongue like this, like dogs. So, I asked them what’s the matter why what have you done? They wrote it down that they had to cut the tongue because they must put back their tongue just to raise the Kundalini. With this method (i.e. Sahaja Yoga) Kundalini rises, then your tongue will be a little bit pulled inside but you will not know. Because the Kundalini rises the chakra closes down you will not know but the tongue will be pulled inside. But this (i.e. Raja Yoga) is an artificial thing like without starting the car if you start moving the wheels will the car move? So these people have brought charges against them so they have now stopped this nonsense but the other nonsense is on! I’ve told you it is a living process, which works. You can see with your naked eyes in some people the pulsation of the Kundalini of the Sacrum Bone, you can see the rising of the Kundalini and ultimately you feel the cool breeze coming out of your head and you can also feel the cool breeze around you. Then you must know what is to be done about it and you grow into it and then you become so powerful. Now when I talk many people will come, I know that. You have faith in Me but you must have faith in yourself. You all can become like gurus, so why not? You do not have to pay anything for it. I think that covers most of the questions. But now I will tell you what is the Nature of the Spirit. All this knowledge nobody knew because they haven’t got it. Now the first thing one should know that Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty and Kundalini is the reflection of the Primordial Mother whom we call as Adi Shakti but you call as Athena or in the Bible is called as the Holy Ghost, in the Koran it is called as Udrah and the Ruh is the Spirit. Now so what happens is that the Spirit is the cause because it is the reflection of one God Almighty, which is reflected in everyone but the reflection depends on the reflector. For example, if the reflector is just like a stone it doesn’t reflect. Then, gradually the reflector improves through evolutionary process and ultimately it starts showing better in a person who is a realised soul. Then in a Sahaja Yogi, when he becomes an expert, then what happens the reflection becomes a complete thing. So the Nature of the Spirit is that it is the Collective Being within us. So when the Kundalini rises and when you get your Realisation what happens that you get a New Dimension of Awareness, which is Collective Consciousness. That means on your Central Nervous System you can feel the Centres that are yours and also the Centres of others. Jung has written about it clearly. So what happens is that the microcosm becomes the macrocosm. So we become part and parcel of the whole, you become aware. Now, this Spiritual Awareness when it is felt on your Central Nervous System is called as Bodha in Sanskrit language. And also Wither, Wither means Vedas come from the same, Wither means to Know on your Central Nervous System as a product of the evolutionary process. So, in the Vedas also it is written, even Christ has written, everybody has written that you are to be born again. If you take an artificial certificate, I’m born again, nobody can help you but if you are born again then there are certain powers that you have. In Sanskrit language, a person who is a born realised soul is called as Dwijaha and also a person who is a Realised Soul is a Dwijaha and, also a bird is a Dwijaha. So what comes first is an egg and then it becomes a bird and the bird has the power to fly. In the same way, in the same way, a human being is born and then he becomes a Realised Soul. That is the actualisation of Baptism. Because you become the Spirit, you become Collectively Conscious because Spirit is a Witness it is the premise of the witness state. So you can become Thoughtlessly Aware, there’s no reaction you just watch. Because Spirit is the source of all the knowledge you get all the absolute knowledge. Now if you have ten children who are realised souls and you ask them what’s the matter with this gentlemen, close their eyes, you can put, tie their eyes up they will tell you this man is suffering from this finger, this finger whatever, everybody will pick out the same finger. Now, if you know the decoding as you have been shown here, decoding of the fingers, what is the centre catching, that’s the one. So, also supposing there’s a false guru coming down, you put your hands towards him, immediately your hands will start burning. You can find out about everything, the absolute truth once you start feeling those Vibrations of Truth. So this is the quality of a saint, of the twice born. Now the quality of the Attention, of the Attention of a Saint is that the Attention becomes powerful. Now for example, if you are not a realised soul, your Attention goes to joyless pursuits but your Attention, after realisation becomes enlightened and anywhere your Attention goes it works. Such a person has such pure innocent eyes that even a glance of such a person brings forth peace, joy and benevolence. Christ has said that: “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes”. I’m Myself born in a Christian family and I’m trying to know how many Christians have eyes, which are not adulterous. He said “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes” because He resides in the Centre of Agnya, which is on the crossing of the Optic Chiasma, which is the crossing of the two optic nerves. But after Realisation it actually happens to you automatically that your eyes become non adulterous, become pure. So, your attention becomes active. You pay attention to anybody and you can even cure that person just sitting down here. But the greatest thing of the Spirit is that it is the source of joy. Source of joy in a sense is that it is not like happiness and unhappiness, no duality, it is watching and in a joyous state. It’s a state, it cannot be described but just to be enjoyed but I’ve seen some of these people who are supposed to be gurus are so hot tempered, ba ba, you can’t say they are saints! They are only kind to very rich and evil people and, their disciples have no goodness about them. So many things happen after Realisation but the most important thing is that you get connected to this All Pervading Power, which is a vital power. Before Realisation your prayers, mantras, japas has no meaning because there’s no connection at all. After this connection only we realise how much closer we are, how great we are. If you take say a television set in a village in India they’ll say what is this box? How can you see any pictures in this? But if you put it to the mains they can see the glory of the whole thing. In the same way we are very beautifully made they way this big mechanism is within us. And, when it starts working you are amazed at your own glory. Not only that but you become so dynamic, so compassionate, so wise and the transformation starts taking place within you. Physically you are cured, mentally you are evolved and emotionally you become a balanced personality. You really become powerful and you become absolutely filled. All habits drop out and you get rid of all kinds of addictions. In the beginning in London, the people I got were all hippies and they were drug addicts, all of them were drug addicts and overnight they gave up drugs, overnight. I must say English are difficult people because they are hard nuts but once they get it they are the best Sahaja Yogis, I must say, in a way. Firstly, they are very scholarly and they know a lot and they just sort it out completely. Now there are seven doctors in England who are researching into Sahaja Yoga in a sense that they are trying to tabulate how many people are cured by Sahaja Yoga. This state has to come to us, to human beings, otherwise how do you expect this world to be saved? Have you any other way around? If this is the thing, why shouldn’t you try to become what you have to be? And these are all your own powers. I don’t want Myself as your guru or anything but I’m your Mother and I’m just saying that this is your own power, for which you are not in anyway obliged to Me in anyway. I’m doing this work because I have to do it. I’m doing it for My own satisfaction. So you owe Me nothing! If you owe anything to anyone, it is to yourself that you have to evaluate, you have to value your own life and that you have to understand that you have not been made from amoeba to human state for nothing at all. There is a great purpose behind it and you have to understand what is the purpose of your life. But in Sahaja Yoga you don’t have to sacrifice anything, you don’t have to give up anything, nothing of the kind. On the contrary, all the time you are blessed! But it is reality, it is not artificial, you have to become somebody. It is not just a certificate. You cannot purchase Me either. So, you have to become something, that’s the point. And, for that you don’t have to go into any (unintelligible). It is a collective happening that’s all. You have to just attend our centres, whatever they have, they’ll tell you all about it, they’ll give you all the knowledge and then they’ll make you the Spirit. There’s a gentleman who met our boys, our small children, on the seashore who are Realized souls ten small children were there who are Realized. And, they caught hold of him because they knew he was a seeker. And, this gentleman was so much amazed at the wisdom of these children, the wisdom of these children. He told me the whole, he said I’m surprised to see such children, I’ve never seen such children, such peaceful, such sensible, such wise - and, he came to Sahaja Yoga. Also the idea that you must suffer, it’s all nonsense, there’s nothing to suffer. Christ has already suffered for us. So, also to be very serious, you cannot laugh, you cannot jump, is all nonsense. A person who is a Realized soul is always bubbling with joy. So such joy in this serious work, it is like a fire, which is so gentle and so cooling. Now I must say about Samatis (name of translator) that I met him in Strasburg, he is a very deep person. And I told him, Samatis, are there people in Greece who are deep as you are because you are very ancient people like us and I expect a lot from you. Alexander the Great came to India and he saw these Indians and he said, I can’t rule these people. And you will not believe that this Greece is described in our Puranas as the Manipur, the Manipur means the Nabhi Chakra already described in ancient times. It’s the navel of the Universe and there resides Athena it’s all described. How many things are described which I told when I came before. Everything is there still just the same. And it is the Devaloka means this is the area of the Gods and the mistake was I think that all the Gods were brought to human level. Instead of ascending to their level they were brought to human level. In India, we don’t do that way. It’s inauspicious. We have to rise up to their level. But you had Socrates, I mean, He was the Primordial Master. (Translator uses Greek pronunciation for Socrates) We too call him Sucaras – as you call him Sucaras. There’re so many things in common and you’ll be surprised that thousands of years back even before Alexander so many Greeks lived in India. So it should not be difficult for us to understand deeper meaning of our lives because you have such a traditional history. I think, they told me that these people, it is very late, it doesn’t matter even if you have programs they don’t go out in the night. But I think now we better have our Self Realisation. I’ve answered the questions that are sensible and I think any amount of answering is not going to give you Self Realisation. There’s no guarantee. It just has to work out. It takes some intelligence to establish but to fix it up it will take some time. It is said that in the Vedas that after Self Realisation you must know Yantra, Mantra, Tantra. These (Mantras) are prayers or chanting that is to be used for different centres. And, Yantra means this mechanism, how it’s made and all those things. And, Tantra means technique. But we have something called tantrikas in India who are doing black magic in the name of Kundalini and God. So many are arrested, and so many are harmed and they have been exposed but still you see these evil forces come up sometime. So it is for, very important for us to become the Spirit so that we know everything. All right, so shall we have the session for our Realisation now? As I’ve told you that firstly, I respect your free will and it cannot be forced on anyone. So, those who do not want can go away from this hall, will be much better. But secondly, I have to tell you that, after Realisation, don’t waste your energies you must respect it. Otherwise, it will be like the parable of Christ, that some seeds fell on the rock and some seeds fell on the marshy land. So the half sprouted seeds are much worse than the not sprouted. So please, we have a very good follow-on, we have a very good hall, these people are here, you don’t have to pay anything, you have to just become yourself. As your light will expand you will have all the knowledge and everything will be told you. There’s no secret in Sahaja Yoga. I think we can take 5 minutes if they want to go out, let them go out (unintelligible) and then we’ll start the session. 5 minutes. (Session resumes) First condition is that you have to forget the past and don’t think of the future. The past has finished and your future doesn’t exist. So, forget the past, the best thing is not to feel guilty at all for anything, for any mistakes, for anything. What we remember of the past is only nonsensical things. So we are not to feel guilty at all! We are human beings and as human beings, after all we are not Gods so we make mistakes, doesn’t matter. So please forgive yourself completely. I’m requesting you again and again because when you feel guilty, the centre here on the left hand side catches so badly, on the left hand side. Especially in Greece I don’t know why do people feel so guilty, what wrong have you done? I don’t think they have done anything wrong, seriously, for the last 50 years I don’t know what wrong you have done? The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone! Everybody you forgive, in general, not to think of any particular person or anything but just forgive everyone in general. Yesterday I explained to you that logically whether you forgive or you don’t forgive you don’t do anything. So what’s the use of playing into wrong hands? If you don’t forgive this centre, which I told you about, the Agnya, which is on the Optic Chiasma, gets constricted like that (Shri Mataji uses Her hands to illustrate the opening of Agnya) and the Kundalini cannot pass through. So please forgive. Forgive everyone! We are not going to lose our Self-realisation for somebody who is trying to torture us. Now we have to understand that we have two powers, left and right, about which you will know more when you come to our centres, to our programs. So you have to put your left hand towards Me, which is the power of your desire to get Self Realisation and you have to put your right hand for nourishing your centres, only on the left hand side (Shri Mataji indicates the left side of the body). Also, both the feet should be kept apart from each other. Now it is for us now to look at ourselves not at others. We have been looking at others so far now we have to look within ourselves. So later on we’ll close our eyes. Please put your left hand towards Me like this, both the feet away from each other, take out your shoes because this Mother Earth helps us a lot. So now please, put your right hand on your heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. Now you put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen …

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, 1990-0621 Public Program Day 2, Athens, Greece. I bow to all the Seekers of Truth. Yesterday I told you what is the truth is. Truth is that you are the spirit and that there is an All Pervading Power, which does all the living work and looks after you also. Now the questions are some of the them are sensible, I’m happy that they are asking Me questions, which means that you have all the freedom to ask questions, there’s no mesmerism going on. The first question is about how to make out a false guru. First thing, I must say that that is a false guru will not give you all the freedom to ask questions, so you can’t object anymore. A guru who does not give you any freedom to ask questions, is not good. But you have to know that you cannot pay for the truth. For example, I can see with My eye that there is a carpet lying here. You know that. I don’t have to pay. I have got My eyes. In the same way, to know the truth, you cannot pay any money. The second point is that you must see what is the quality of the disciples of the gurus first. When you go to a shop, you want to buy something, first you find out from those who have bought, what do they have to say about it. You’ll be surprised, that none of these so called gurus have any disciples who have any idea as to what is the truth nor do they know about Kundalini or they have any knowledge about their spirit. Nor do they lead a life, which is righteous, which is saintly. On the contrary they lead a very evil life sometimes, if they do not live an evil life they are always sick people, they get into trouble. As a Mother I would say, what has your guru given you? Maybe you might be saying that he has given you peace or something like that. It could be just some mesmerism for the time being like that you go into a pub and drink something, you feel a little nice for a while. Then these gurus never talk against each other they never tell somebody’s faults never because Christ has said that Satan will never speak against his own house. There’s a mutual understanding between all of them to loot you and to exploit you. I know some of them, as people they have to come to see me, from those who are suffering because of their heart. So I have told you that you are not even to believe Me, what I’m saying, blindly, till you get your Realisation. But you have keep your minds open, very open like a scientist, listen to what I’m saying and, very soon and if you are real seekers, you’ll get it. But a kind of a, I call it a superior intelligence, you can call it a superior divining elements some people have that they immediately can make out who is real and who is not. A person who cares too much about his body, too much about his appearance, all kinds of pretentions, and a person who a, is so much worried about his food and his sleep and his comfort, and is living in a very luxurious manner at the cost of other’s money, all these things should tell you that this man cannot be a saint.I’ve know of a guru who have mantras to people, in TM, he gave mantras to people, which if you tell any Indian, he’ll laugh and he’ll say what stupid mantras these are! And it was kept a secret, absolutely a secret. There should be no secrecy. Everyone should know everything about the guru, where he gets his money, where he spends it, everything should be known. Now this TM I came to know because there a gentleman who was in a, Scotland, who was running a, who was running a very big foundation for ‘flying in the air’! He, his wife, his child and his director, all suffering from epilepsy, came to me to get cured. His name was Mr. Peter Pearce. I, of course, cured them but they told me horrible things about TM. He told that there are three mantras given, for 300-pounds each, for different age groups. One is Ingah, another is Pinga and another is Thinga. All these three words are not Sanskrit. This guru, their guru does not know a word of Sanskrit. Nothing! Now Ingah means the bite of a scorpion and Pinga means when you get possessed where you go round and round, wrapping round, that’s Pinga, and Thinga means showing like this (Shri Mataji holds up her right thumb) to someone. For that you’ll pay 300, 300 pounds! So now, there they have this program of flying in the air, no self-realisation, no spirit, nothing. First, you must thin down, absolutely. So, first, they had to pay 6000 pounds. Now, first they gave, first they gave water to drink for 6 days, with the water that has boiled potatoes and the 7th day, they gave them the ring (skin) of the potato and, the 8th day, the potatoes because people must thin down and then fly in the air you see. What is the need to fly in the air I don’t know because we are already having jams on the way, like this, if you start flying in the air, what’s the use? But such stupid ideas, if they give, and people want to go there with their stupidity then who can help them? And they broke their bottoms (coccyx) and now so many have (unintelligible). They try all kinds of mesmerism, brain washing, and just want to make money, that’s all, as simple as that. And, if something happens to you, they say, no, no, you must go higher. You must do more. You must say the mantra more. All nonsense! They know that there is a market for seekers are there, so they just come. Sometimes some of them have just come out of jail! Such crooks they have no credibility, nothing, no position in the society, suddenly they elevate themselves. This is to be understood, that what we have gained out of the particular guru whom we have been to, this we must find out! Then there are all nonsensical questions, you see, also which shows that people also some of them do not understand that you have to seek the truth and you have to find it; you have to be serious about it. There’s no stupidity about Sahaja Yoga. And, it is also not for the stupid, is not for the stupid. Those who are honest and those who are really seeking, the Sahaja Yoga will work out! You yourself will become knowledgeable you yourself get all the knowledge. I told you yesterday that there were three doctors in Delhi who have got their MDs. But look at Russia, how sensible they are, they saw what these doctors have done in their work and immediately they have invited them, the government has invited them there. They don’t allow any false gurus to enter in there. Gorbachev is himself a Realized soul so he knows. But where are the Realized souls? You see normally it is something, people go after the show, after the advertising, the show, it’s superficial things. I don’t mind even if you have to go for superficial people, go then but they harm you, they harm your Kundalini. And, you are seekers of truth since ages, not just today and you have to get it. The most surprising, from some of the questions I am surprised, they never doubted this false guru, but they doubt Me! All right, there’s another nice question about Ha-Tha Yoga and other yogas and the relationship to Sahaja Yoga. Ha-Tha Yoga: "Ha" and "Tha" means both the nadis, the Surya and the Chandra Nadis, Sun and Moon channels. And the Patanjali has written such a big book, you see, and said that there are eightfold or you can say "ashtangas", meaning there are eight aspects of this yoga, Ha-Tha Yogas. Out of this, one is Yaman Yama is the one discipline and exercises and all those things and a very wee bit of it is exercises. So, you see, unless and until your Kundalini rises you do not know what you are suffering from! And, then you start exercising then you are just doing something, supposing there’s a problem in your throat and you do the exercise for the stomach, what’s the use? So, first you must know, when the Kundalini rises, where is the problem and that when there is some physical problem then you can do a particular exercise. But these days, there’s a craze for exercise because everybody wants to thin out. They want to become thin like mosquitoes. And, when they get ill what happens to them? Such people who are all the time running after their body, worrying about the body, really have the worst body. They suffer from liver trouble, they suffer from diabetes they suffer from tensions, all kinds of things. But if you become the spirit, the spirit looks after your body and you have to accept your body as it is. They want to look attractive, for what I don’t know, are we going to become prostitutes? If you become the spirit, you look so glorious, so beautiful so peaceful. Now you won’t believe, I’m 67 years of age and I travel practically every third day. I’ve no time for exercises or anything also sometimes I do not get any food to eat. Sometimes I sleep only for 2 hours, he (indicating the Greek Yogi translating) knows that, in the night and I feel very fresh and I always feel full of energy. There’s no tension, there’s no high blood pressure, there’s no problem, I have no problem, physical problem at all of any kind. No cholesterol, nothing of the kind that these people are worried. If you lead a pure life, you don’t create any problems but we pay undue importance to our body and really undue importance to nonsensical things. For example, I know that I have to have a lot of water in my body because there are centres (chakras) and they have to be protected. I don’t mind. So one has to understand what is the purpose of this body but we should not be slave of this body or of our mind or of our fats. We have to use this body for our purpose. So this Ha-Tha has gone too far and I have seen people, most of them who are so serious about Ha-Tha yoga, have become so dry and mostly they have divorces. They always get heart attacks and they have all kinds of problems and they are so hot tempered you can’t go near them. You can’t even talk to them, you better use a barge pole if you want to (unintelligible). So one has to understand that the greatest thing is to become the Spirit. There are so many yogas, there’s Raja Yoga, this, that and all those ashtangas, they are again artificial. When the Kundalini rises then all the centres open and close, and the Kundalini passes and again the centre close down so that it is kept up. But it works automatically. Like in the car, when you ignite the car all the machinery starts working automatically. Like when we eat the food, you see, the digestion starts working automatically. There is one, Raja Yoga, practiced by Yogananda and all those people in America, and I met some doctors from my place who were there in San Diego, they had cut the threads of the tongues and had a loose tongue like this, like dogs. So, I asked them what’s the matter why what have you done? They wrote it down that they had to cut the tongue because they must put back their tongue just to raise the Kundalini. With this method (i.e. Sahaja Yoga) Kundalini rises, then your tongue will be a little bit pulled inside but you will not know. Because the Kundalini rises the chakra closes down you will not know but the tongue will be pulled inside. But this (i.e. Raja Yoga) is an artificial thing like without starting the car if you start moving the wheels will the car move? So these people have brought charges against them so they have now stopped this nonsense but the other nonsense is on! I’ve told you it is a living process, which works. You can see with your naked eyes in some people the pulsation of the Kundalini of the Sacrum Bone, you can see the rising of the Kundalini and ultimately you feel the cool breeze coming out of your head and you can also feel the cool breeze around you. Then you must know what is to be done about it and you grow into it and then you become so powerful. Now when I talk many people will come, I know that. You have faith in Me but you must have faith in yourself. You all can become like gurus, so why not? You do not have to pay anything for it. I think that covers most of the questions. But now I will tell you what is the Nature of the Spirit. All this knowledge nobody knew because they haven’t got it. Now the first thing one should know that Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty and Kundalini is the reflection of the Primordial Mother whom we call as Adi Shakti but you call as Athena or in the Bible is called as the Holy Ghost, in the Koran it is called as Udrah and the Ruh is the Spirit. Now so what happens is that the Spirit is the cause because it is the reflection of one God Almighty, which is reflected in everyone but the reflection depends on the reflector. For example, if the reflector is just like a stone it doesn’t reflect. Then, gradually the reflector improves through evolutionary process and ultimately it starts showing better in a person who is a realised soul. Then in a Sahaja Yogi, when he becomes an expert, then what happens the reflection becomes a complete thing. So the Nature of the Spirit is that it is the Collective Being within us. So when the Kundalini rises and when you get your Realisation what happens that you get a New Dimension of Awareness, which is Collective Consciousness. That means on your Central Nervous System you can feel the Centres that are yours and also the Centres of others. Jung has written about it clearly. So what happens is that the microcosm becomes the macrocosm. So we become part and parcel of the whole, you become aware. Now, this Spiritual Awareness when it is felt on your Central Nervous System is called as Bodha in Sanskrit language. And also Wither, Wither means Vedas come from the same, Wither means to Know on your Central Nervous System as a product of the evolutionary process. So, in the Vedas also it is written, even Christ has written, everybody has written that you are to be born again. If you take an artificial certificate, I’m born again, nobody can help you but if you are born again then there are certain powers that you have. In Sanskrit language, a person who is a born realised soul is called as Dwijaha and also a person who is a Realised Soul is a Dwijaha and, also a bird is a Dwijaha. So what comes first is an egg and then it becomes a bird and the bird has the power to fly. In the same way, in the same way, a human being is born and then he becomes a Realised Soul. That is the actualisation of Baptism. Because you become the Spirit, you become Collectively Conscious because Spirit is a Witness it is the premise of the witness state. So you can become Thoughtlessly Aware, there’s no reaction you just watch. Because Spirit is the source of all the knowledge you get all the absolute knowledge. Now if you have ten children who are realised souls and you ask them what’s the matter with this gentlemen, close their eyes, you can put, tie their eyes up they will tell you this man is suffering from this finger, this finger whatever, everybody will pick out the same finger. Now, if you know the decoding as you have been shown here, decoding of the fingers, what is the centre catching, that’s the one. So, also supposing there’s a false guru coming down, you put your hands towards him, immediately your hands will start burning. You can find out about everything, the absolute truth once you start feeling those Vibrations of Truth. So this is the quality of a saint, of the twice born. Now the quality of the Attention, of the Attention of a Saint is that the Attention becomes powerful. Now for example, if you are not a realised soul, your Attention goes to joyless pursuits but your Attention, after realisation becomes enlightened and anywhere your Attention goes it works. Such a person has such pure innocent eyes that even a glance of such a person brings forth peace, joy and benevolence. Christ has said that: “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes”. I’m Myself born in a Christian family and I’m trying to know how many Christians have eyes, which are not adulterous. He said “Thou shall not have adulterous eyes” because He resides in the Centre of Agnya, which is on the crossing of the Optic Chiasma, which is the crossing of the two optic nerves. But after Realisation it actually happens to you automatically that your eyes become non adulterous, become pure. So, your attention becomes active. You pay attention to anybody and you can even cure that person just sitting down here. But the greatest thing of the Spirit is that it is the source of joy. Source of joy in a sense is that it is not like happiness and unhappiness, no duality, it is watching and in a joyous state. It’s a state, it cannot be described but just to be enjoyed but I’ve seen some of these people who are supposed to be gurus are so hot tempered, ba ba, you can’t say they are saints! They are only kind to very rich and evil people and, their disciples have no goodness about them. So many things happen after Realisation but the most important thing is that you get connected to this All Pervading Power, which is a vital power. Before Realisation your prayers, mantras, japas has no meaning because there’s no connection at all. After this connection only we realise how much closer we are, how great we are. If you take say a television set in a village in India they’ll say what is this box? How can you see any pictures in this? But if you put it to the mains they can see the glory of the whole thing. In the same way we are very beautifully made they way this big mechanism is within us. And, when it starts working you are amazed at your own glory. Not only that but you become so dynamic, so compassionate, so wise and the transformation starts taking place within you. Physically you are cured, mentally you are evolved and emotionally you become a balanced personality. You really become powerful and you become absolutely filled. All habits drop out and you get rid of all kinds of addictions. In the beginning in London, the people I got were all hippies and they were drug addicts, all of them were drug addicts and overnight they gave up drugs, overnight. I must say English are difficult people because they are hard nuts but once they get it they are the best Sahaja Yogis, I must say, in a way. Firstly, they are very scholarly and they know a lot and they just sort it out completely. Now there are seven doctors in England who are researching into Sahaja Yoga in a sense that they are trying to tabulate how many people are cured by Sahaja Yoga. This state has to come to us, to human beings, otherwise how do you expect this world to be saved? Have you any other way around? If this is the thing, why shouldn’t you try to become what you have to be? And these are all your own powers. I don’t want Myself as your guru or anything but I’m your Mother and I’m just saying that this is your own power, for which you are not in anyway obliged to Me in anyway. I’m doing this work because I have to do it. I’m doing it for My own satisfaction. So you owe Me nothing! If you owe anything to anyone, it is to yourself that you have to evaluate, you have to value your own life and that you have to understand that you have not been made from amoeba to human state for nothing at all. There is a great purpose behind it and you have to understand what is the purpose of your life. But in Sahaja Yoga you don’t have to sacrifice anything, you don’t have to give up anything, nothing of the kind. On the contrary, all the time you are blessed! But it is reality, it is not artificial, you have to become somebody. It is not just a certificate. You cannot purchase Me either. So, you have to become something, that’s the point. And, for that you don’t have to go into any (unintelligible). It is a collective happening that’s all. You have to just attend our centres, whatever they have, they’ll tell you all about it, they’ll give you all the knowledge and then they’ll make you the Spirit. There’s a gentleman who met our boys, our small children, on the seashore who are Realized souls ten small children were there who are Realized. And, they caught hold of him because they knew he was a seeker. And, this gentleman was so much amazed at the wisdom of these children, the wisdom of these children. He told me the whole, he said I’m surprised to see such children, I’ve never seen such children, such peaceful, such sensible, such wise - and, he came to Sahaja Yoga. Also the idea that you must suffer, it’s all nonsense, there’s nothing to suffer. Christ has already suffered for us. So, also to be very serious, you cannot laugh, you cannot jump, is all nonsense. A person who is a Realized soul is always bubbling with joy. So such joy in this serious work, it is like a fire, which is so gentle and so cooling. Now I must say about Samatis (name of translator) that I met him in Strasburg, he is a very deep person. And I told him, Samatis, are there people in Greece who are deep as you are because you are very ancient people like us and I expect a lot from you. Alexander the Great came to India and he saw these Indians and he said, I can’t rule these people. And you will not believe that this Greece is described in our Puranas as the Manipur, the Manipur means the Nabhi Chakra already described in ancient times. It’s the navel of the Universe and there resides Athena it’s all described. How many things are described which I told when I came before. Everything is there still just the same. And it is the Devaloka means this is the area of the Gods and the mistake was I think that all the Gods were brought to human level. Instead of ascending to their level they were brought to human level. In India, we don’t do that way. It’s inauspicious. We have to rise up to their level. But you had Socrates, I mean, He was the Primordial Master. (Translator uses Greek pronunciation for Socrates) We too call him Sucaras – as you call him Sucaras. There’re so many things in common and you’ll be surprised that thousands of years back even before Alexander so many Greeks lived in India. So it should not be difficult for us to understand deeper meaning of our lives because you have such a traditional history. I think, they told me that these people, it is very late, it doesn’t matter even if you have programs they don’t go out in the night. But I think now we better have our Self Realisation. I’ve answered the questions that are sensible and I think any amount of answering is not going to give you Self Realisation. There’s no guarantee. It just has to work out. It takes some intelligence to establish but to fix it up it will take some time. It is said that in the Vedas that after Self Realisation you must know Yantra, Mantra, Tantra. These (Mantras) are prayers or chanting that is to be used for different centres. And, Yantra means this mechanism, how it’s made and all those things. And, Tantra means technique. But we have something called tantrikas in India who are doing black magic in the name of Kundalini and God. So many are arrested, and so many are harmed and they have been exposed but still you see these evil forces come up sometime. So it is for, very important for us to become the Spirit so that we know everything. All right, so shall we have the session for our Realisation now? As I’ve told you that firstly, I respect your free will and it cannot be forced on anyone. So, those who do not want can go away from this hall, will be much better. But secondly, I have to tell you that, after Realisation, don’t waste your energies you must respect it. Otherwise, it will be like the parable of Christ, that some seeds fell on the rock and some seeds fell on the marshy land. So the half sprouted seeds are much worse than the not sprouted. So please, we have a very good follow-on, we have a very good hall, these people are here, you don’t have to pay anything, you have to just become yourself. As your light will expand you will have all the knowledge and everything will be told you. There’s no secret in Sahaja Yoga. I think we can take 5 minutes if they want to go out, let them go out (unintelligible) and then we’ll start the session. 5 minutes. (Session resumes) First condition is that you have to forget the past and don’t think of the future. The past has finished and your future doesn’t exist. So, forget the past, the best thing is not to feel guilty at all for anything, for any mistakes, for anything. What we remember of the past is only nonsensical things. So we are not to feel guilty at all! We are human beings and as human beings, after all we are not Gods so we make mistakes, doesn’t matter. So please forgive yourself completely. I’m requesting you again and again because when you feel guilty, the centre here on the left hand side catches so badly, on the left hand side. Especially in Greece I don’t know why do people feel so guilty, what wrong have you done? I don’t think they have done anything wrong, seriously, for the last 50 years I don’t know what wrong you have done? The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone! Everybody you forgive, in general, not to think of any particular person or anything but just forgive everyone in general. Yesterday I explained to you that logically whether you forgive or you don’t forgive you don’t do anything. So what’s the use of playing into wrong hands? If you don’t forgive this centre, which I told you about, the Agnya, which is on the Optic Chiasma, gets constricted like that (Shri Mataji uses Her hands to illustrate the opening of Agnya) and the Kundalini cannot pass through. So please forgive. Forgive everyone! We are not going to lose our Self-realisation for somebody who is trying to torture us. Now we have to understand that we have two powers, left and right, about which you will know more when you come to our centres, to our programs. So you have to put your left hand towards Me, which is the power of your desire to get Self Realisation and you have to put your right hand for nourishing your centres, only on the left hand side (Shri Mataji indicates the left side of the body). Also, both the feet should be kept apart from each other. Now it is for us now to look at ourselves not at others. We have been looking at others so far now we have to look within ourselves. So later on we’ll close our eyes. Please put your left hand towards Me like this, both the feet away from each other, take out your shoes because this Mother Earth helps us a lot. So now please, put your right hand on your heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. Now you put your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen …

6/23/1990

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1990-0624 Arrival and Talk to Sahaja Yoginis, Hydra, Greece Bala Shakti (Girl): Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji is coming now Bala Shakti (Boy): [saying with excitement] Shri Mataji is coming Bala Shakti (Girl): Shri Mataji [Children saying with happiness] Shri Mataji is coming, Mataji is coming, Shri Mataji is coming Shri Mataji: Hello Bala Shakti: Mataji [Bhajan] Shri Mataji: Thanks, Wonderful, alright. Vibrations are enough unclear() working unclear() (Michel is coming now for …) [Voice overlapping] Shri Mataji: Nice, very nice, all of them very beautiful. [Shri Mataji talking to Bala Shakti] For the puja ya, beautiful beautiful, who made your hair? Good, it’s alright, looks nice, you see, it should be variety looks nice. Now let’s go, let’s go. Now where are you going? He is already fallen. Typical you see, if somebody falls children would go there. Like human beings, when they see people falling out of the unclear(bus/pub), they go to the pub. Same style. Same style. Starts from very childhood. Adventure you see why has he only fallen? I will also go in the pub and fall. Competition, uncelar(). Let’s go. Hello how are you? Alright? Is it better now your hand? [voice overlapping] Alright I am getting up. I have two unclear() for you. Alright, now let me get the mic. Come along let’s go. Niranand, Niranand don’t go that side. Alright. [voice overlapping] [Bhajan] Yogi: Children come back. Shri Mataji: Hello sit down all of you. Yes good. The first thing is to find out about the., beautiful. This is the style we used to have in India also. Same style. Hello Akira, how are you? I was asking what’s the meaning of Reekha? is it some meaning? Yogini: No Mother, my name is Evridiki Shri Mataji: means what? Yogi: Evridiki is her name Yogini: its mythology of Greek Shri Mataji: All those who have already got let’s give for them for who haven’t got. May God bless you. No no not for you, You girls you both unclear() who have? May God bless you. That is not for her, it’s not for her. That’s for the boys alright? Let them go That’s for the boys and that’s all. She has got hers. Alright now come along one by one. You feel it here? Unclear(Stacia) better you be collective, what’s the matter? why don’t you be in some collective? In sahaja yoga you must focus fast see otherwise going to be harmful, and then its outside asking for help, so some of you saw clearly, you must outgrow like me and listen to me all of you. Alright? Now who hasn’t got it come along. And the men were deceiving the women in the Greece are becoming very strong and dominating and they don’t want to listen to anyone they are in very difficult phase, and they have lost the capacity to bear anything and have become like men now. Can’t bare it. The difference between a woman and a man is like a Sun and the Mother Earth. You are the mother. You cannot be like this. You should not. Because your function is different uncelar() But it is a well-known fact that all over the world that the Greek women have the most tolerability and worst come are the only Americans. But Americans are more sort of money oriented, but Greece women are power oriented. They just want to dominate their husbands just for power sake, to enjoy it. There’s no enjoyment. No enjoyment. Enjoyment is enjoying the companion. And you, I don’t know why, there has been not much of literature on this - how to enjoy your huband’s company perhaps. Or maybe the wars or all those things have made these women like that. I was surprised to when I came to the court at., [Shri Mataji addressing to the yogi – tell the children to be quite please] Yogi: Be quite children. Shri Mataji: As the lady came in a taxi quite elderly looking. And she got down from the taxi, she took out her own suitcase from the back. And the taxi fellow just sitting tight there see. No respect for her. So, I thought women now want to be like men. It’s alright, you have it. No respect. They want to be like men alright and you be like men and do all the work like men. So, this as put an imbalance and as a result I think the society suffers but the responsibility of looking after a society is on women and politics and economics is men. But if woman’s(women) are dominating, they will have lots of problem. First is the children can never respect fathers and secondly is mooladhara. If the women lose their mooladhara nothing can work. They will make mad moves. So, I feel that the women have lost their understanding of their powers that we are like this Mother Earth and what would I do to nourish the whole world, beautify, soothes unclear() everything comes to us from Mother Earth but that powers that you have if you don’t exploit and if you waste your powers in competing with men, then you are doing something you should not do. if you start using your eyes for breathing instead of nose, you will never breathe. and there should be no sort of a competition about it. Because women think that if they put us down then we will put them down there is a way of handling men. In sahaj culture, you have to learn all this, how to handle men and how to be wise, how to be mothers or how to be good women. Now as far as sahaja yoga is concerned, I would say men are more knowledgeable I would say. Knowledgeable in the sense they know what are chakras, what is catching what is wrong, they are naturally they take more to the extrovert you can say, more to the spreading out more. Women have to be more spiritual unclear(). For that they have to become women. Otherwise they can’t, If you are a different person than what you are, then you cannot be unclear(survive). Unclear() I have to behave like women, and it creates problems. Lots of problems in the society. And today the society is absolutely crumbling down, the children are running away, and they are taking to drugs and husbands also running after women, for that also you should say, women are responsible they want to attract every other man. Why why do they attract to other man what is the use, you are not prostitutes. So once the women starts doing all this nonsense, you see they lose the unclear() themselves, and it becomes a complete imbalance within themselves and without. Because everything is responsible. For this I must be the credit to unclear() women very much. And that’s how our society is the best in the whole world I mean societies. we don’t have drug problems, we don’t have aids, we don’t have to unclear(disrespect) everyone, so very systematic in India. Of course, in politics and economics – India is the worst. But as far as the society is concern very healthy, very beautiful society. And you could have proper understanding how to be with each other. This has to be instead of women not that in India unclear() but still the women have to be women first. If a women becomes a politician and if she is not a mother, she will become like unclear(Mrs.Hutchinson). You have to have motherhood. If you have the motherhood then, if you become a politician then you become a benevolent politician. There is a big difference between a woman becoming a politician and a manly woman becoming a politician. She will become more man. So, what is the use of having a woman then? Unclear() So, this idea about Greek women you have to tell, we sahaja yogis have., and it looks nice to be women. I think to be self-respectable then men and self-contentable and also bearing. You can bare a lot. A woman can bare a lot. Supposing in my case I was unclear(), in my case supposing Rama had come so he would have gone to exile like 14 years he was ..yeah really because he didn’t even take it too much. Then if it was Krishna, he would have taken his Sudarshana Chakra and cut everybody’s heads. If it would have Christ he would have hanged himself finished. Once for all they have to. But only the mother can do this job with patience. and I am the only incarnation who lasted for so many years all of them finished within 40 years of age, 40-45 not more than that. Nobody lived so long because they don’t have patience. But women have patience. A ocean of patience. But you should know how to tap it. Then you can do many things. It can do many more then men do. I have seen that when I come so many come to see me, so many comes-thousands, what is so great because they see a mother in my face, they see my picture treat me as mother so they come. But then when their follower comes, they don’t want to because they think women are worse naturally, they are not bothered so it is for you to make it or unclear(). Make something to eat, be kind to them, be nice to them, so they will feel home. This is the point that-a great role must be played by women of sahaja yoga who have to look after the people when they come in, you have to make them feel at home unclear() if men are the less patient, no no no don’t say that she will be alright like that unclear() on the contrary you act unclear() and then also women should not talk too much if they are very talkative then they get bored. You should not talk too much. More gentle, more miser, miser type of a thing and - whatever you have to say, you should say supporting them so that person feels less unclear() That’s mother’s job you see. Father may be hard but the mother can say alright. It’s alright, now it’s a protection. So the mother is the protection for the child as it is in yourself unclear() so they should feel the sense of security unclear(). On the contrary if you start criticizing them, in the same way as men are criticizing unclear() so wisdom is in they were soothing them and protecting them and give them the sense of sensibility and then they unclear(). I think that is lacking among all western yogis unclear() the women are very weak they say. Why should we be weak unclear(). Why should we be strong sahaja yogis. So more love has to be developed in yourself. Not strictness, protect unclear(), not disciplining unclear(), not telling what to do but to give them a kind of security which gives them peace as if you have. And then you should not be like this also another point if women try to be like unclear() then the men don’t like it. They don’t like that unclear() You must able to work hard and give them, Shri Rama unclear() how much she can work, she works very hard compared to all these women unclear() all English and western women are in big trouble. They don’t know how to work, they don’t know how to cook, nothing of that kind, just they come pick up the bottle from the fridge put it there go back says what kind of training they have got? Unclear() in India old women are strict absolutely. She knows how to cook, she knows how to be unclear() because she know about it, she is a preserver, she is a preserver of the society. She works that way, anywhere, you take any Indian girl unclear() she will manage. They train them. They are nowhere less than you, they are quite intelligent, they are educated, everyway. And my servant was himself surprised that how these women are. I said how can they be women? They don’t know anything. I told them you see, recently. So, we are not to be men. We are to be women; we are the preserver of the society. We are the preserver. Alright? This is one thing that you must know that we are the preservers. And as the preservers we have to preserve all the value systems, all the love, kindness and understanding. It’s not difficult, it’s not difficult. Just you have to little bit change yourself-our attitude, your style and then you will feel very sweet, nice and happy about it within yourself. Otherwise, women hate themselves. Those women who do these things they hate themselves. Later on, you wander I did this mistake again I did it. The other day I was in Spain. Spanish women said unclear() no one wants to Spanish unclear(). So, I told them why is it so why is this thing? Then there is one Austrian cook, excellent cook who is one of the best books I have seen. Excellent cook, he was married to Spanish woman and he told me Mother I unclear() I can’t bear very unclear() I want to run away unclear(). He never even told her anything just ran away. I called her, what’s the matter? Why unclear() She said again I have done it. Mother I unclear(), I said why do you want to argue? Why don’t you enjoy his company? Why don’t you kind to him its nice you see, in the novel they want to do romantic things. But in practical life in their own life they are not unclear() and then for husband you become liabilities also you didn’t do this for me, talk to me, on the contrary the women has to look after. She is the one way. Of course, supposing you have to do some hard tasks then the men have to do. But mostly that is how that you can control them. Specially to make absolutely indispensable. A woman is indispensable. [Shri Mataji asks a question to a yogi- What do you say is in your language-indispensable?] Yogi: unclear() Shri Mataji: haa, absolutely. So you see the men can’t do anything unclear(). Now I am married for some more forty four years unclear() and my husband unclear() can’t do without me. Just can’t do unclear() because doesn’t like the food cooked by western people unclear(). Firstly food, secondly I will look after he-he won’t choose a suit for himself unless I select for him. Never. Because if he chooses a suit, whenever he wear it unclear(), what sort of a suit you are wearing? Because unclear() he depends on. If he has to invite people, then I have to look after them many times because he doesn’t know anything. So, you see in everywhere he is so dependent me. But he can’t help it. Now he got his knighthood recently. So immediately he found me out somehow. He telephoned to me. He said, ‘I am missing you very much’. I said ‘you want a knighthood why do you missing me unclear()’ no no I must know that I have knighthood now you all become a unclear(). I said ‘alright but what? You know you have to come here unclear() but I can’t I am in half way unclear()’ But this is what should happen to your men. Otherwise, what’s the use of marriage? If you cannot achieve it then you don’t know the trick. It’s not the beauty, it’s not all the we paint our nails nothing unclear(). They don’t see all these once you are married. Then they start seeing your inner beauty unclear(). And gradually you can win them. It’s very simple. But you just turned round and do this. And I unclear() I know war has done this. I know everywhere. Because of war men were on war part I mean on the unclear() and women were left behind. So, they have to do everything manly work and also women’s work alright. But now there is no war and nothing in these times still why are we with sword in our hands? No need. Now throw this sword out. When the husband comes only we are on war, poor men comes back from the war, they are in the war again unclear(). So, it is a trick one has to learn. Of course, you have every right to correct him if he has done something which is not social or which is unsocial, which is not good you can tell him. But first he must know that you are so important. And even an uneducated women in India is sensible unclear() because we have brought up unclear() how to be a good wife, how to manage the husbands, unclear() don’t look at the women they don’t go round with anyone. Just they don’t see whether you have a good figure or not, whether the complexion is good or not, nothing like that. Wife is like-as you have a child, you have your wife. The same way about husbands. After marriage what is there to choose? But it is important you know; we have had very bad experiences of this kind of things that are happening now. But the husbands just run away, they just don’t want to talk with their wives. This boy he just came after me, he didn’t even tell her I mean I was so shocked, he said He said ‘Mother tell her’ and he wants to send her Rome now. He wants me to correct her. I said she is not a child to unclear() no no in Rome, let her be in Rome I am going again to Boston, The company should tell this that they should want it. That’s the point. So if you do not have that art, unclear(). So, we have lost our art. We should get it back unclear(). And not by anything but by looking at ourselves and what is to be done. You just think yourself in the mirror and ask ‘will I like my own company?’ unclear() Alright I would just taught unclear() as in Spain that we have to enjoy married life also. But that doesn’t mean you have to become romantic unclear() either you are Romantic or fighting nothing in between. You must keep your balance that gives you the personality and you should not just get sort of absolutely nude to your husband and unclear() also but it should be a balance and understanding that you are the left wheel of the chariot and he is the right wheel of the chariot and both are needed, to be separated a bit, if you are glued together how can the chariot go or if the left wheel if you try to put on the right it won’t go unclear() so you are equal but you are not similar. This is the point one should know. And then you really enjoy to be a women. And you should try to do as much as possible for the life. As much as possible. If you just say I can’t do it, I don’t know, this that then you go on shifting, no I can do, why not? I can’t do this, I can’t do that. Also, energy comes to you when you start working. if you don’t work energy will not come. Supposing you tie up this side unclear() you find this will be thinner than this and it won’t be able to work for some time. So, while working all by, putting your attention and being aware you will have more energy. But don’t think about it. I asked Unclear() She said Mother they think too much and they think they are losers. I don’t think that Mother you do everything. I surrender that. Unclear() Simple answer. And she cooks for all of them. She washes the utensils she does everything, no English woman would do that, no one can do like she does. So, what’s the use of your hair, what’s the use of unclear() when you cannot even work. So, what’s the use? They are unclear() they are not organized, what’s the use? So put yourself to-I must learn this; I must not do this. She has been here so many days. Nobody came to learn anything from her. She would have taught the Indian food. My servant was there. Nobody learned. They just want everything on the table. I can understand Indians. Because I can understand Indians because unclear(women are servants). But the western women are really unclear() they don’t work at all compared to us. They really don’t was their utensil, they clean everything, they do everything, even he was telling me that even in ashram if these women go there, they do the same thing. They just want unclear() How can it be? He just told me. I was so surprised. I told him that you better unclear() in their childhood if you don’t work, then you don’t get your food. That’s samanyaya – for settlement. If you cannot do or she, or you cannot do this, I came from a very rich family, but we have to wash everything. We learnt how to wash the clothes with hands. How to wash utensils with hands. I remember with small small little hands cleaning the pots with my hands. I remember that unclear(). We have to. Just like as, you know that royal family in India has to work unclear() and has to learn everything unclear(). I think you have brought up in a hard way that why unclear() now we have servants and servants and servants. But still all even my grandchildren they got unclear() all the time. You are only everybody supposed to be very-I don’t know what unclear(), if you work then you will put on weight, feel better you have energy otherwise you will be unclear() thin and tired of unclear() one has to be active and unclear() get some energy and work. This is like this is the same when there are no trees why should be the rain? If there are trees, then there is the rain. In the same way when there is no work why should there be any energy for such a person? That person is a sick person so finished. Those who work only would get energy because I am working that’s why I get energy. Everybody said how do you have so much energy at this age? I have this because I am working. I want to work; I want to do this and do that everything has to be done.

1990-0624 Arrival and Talk to Sahaja Yoginis, Hydra, Greece Bala Shakti (Girl): Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji coming now, Shri Mataji is coming now Bala Shakti (Boy): [saying with excitement] Shri Mataji is coming Bala Shakti (Girl): Shri Mataji [Children saying with happiness] Shri Mataji is coming, Mataji is coming, Shri Mataji is coming Shri Mataji: Hello Bala Shakti: Mataji [Bhajan] Shri Mataji: Thanks, Wonderful, alright. Vibrations are enough unclear() working unclear() (Michel is coming now for …) [Voice overlapping] Shri Mataji: Nice, very nice, all of them very beautiful. [Shri Mataji talking to Bala Shakti] For the puja ya, beautiful beautiful, who made your hair? Good, it’s alright, looks nice, you see, it should be variety looks nice. Now let’s go, let’s go. Now where are you going? He is already fallen. Typical you see, if somebody falls children would go there. Like human beings, when they see people falling out of the unclear(bus/pub), they go to the pub. Same style. Same style. Starts from very childhood. Adventure you see why has he only fallen? I will also go in the pub and fall. Competition, uncelar(). Let’s go. Hello how are you? Alright? Is it better now your hand? [voice overlapping] Alright I am getting up. I have two unclear() for you. Alright, now let me get the mic. Come along let’s go. Niranand, Niranand don’t go that side. Alright. [voice overlapping] [Bhajan] Yogi: Children come back. Shri Mataji: Hello sit down all of you. Yes good. The first thing is to find out about the., beautiful. This is the style we used to have in India also. Same style. Hello Akira, how are you? I was asking what’s the meaning of Reekha? is it some meaning? Yogini: No Mother, my name is Evridiki Shri Mataji: means what? Yogi: Evridiki is her name Yogini: its mythology of Greek Shri Mataji: All those who have already got let’s give for them for who haven’t got. May God bless you. No no not for you, You girls you both unclear() who have? May God bless you. That is not for her, it’s not for her. That’s for the boys alright? Let them go That’s for the boys and that’s all. She has got hers. Alright now come along one by one. You feel it here? Unclear(Stacia) better you be collective, what’s the matter? why don’t you be in some collective? In sahaja yoga you must focus fast see otherwise going to be harmful, and then its outside asking for help, so some of you saw clearly, you must outgrow like me and listen to me all of you. Alright? Now who hasn’t got it come along. And the men were deceiving the women in the Greece are becoming very strong and dominating and they don’t want to listen to anyone they are in very difficult phase, and they have lost the capacity to bear anything and have become like men now. Can’t bare it. The difference between a woman and a man is like a Sun and the Mother Earth. You are the mother. You cannot be like this. You should not. Because your function is different uncelar() But it is a well-known fact that all over the world that the Greek women have the most tolerability and worst come are the only Americans. But Americans are more sort of money oriented, but Greece women are power oriented. They just want to dominate their husbands just for power sake, to enjoy it. There’s no enjoyment. No enjoyment. Enjoyment is enjoying the companion. And you, I don’t know why, there has been not much of literature on this - how to enjoy your huband’s company perhaps. Or maybe the wars or all those things have made these women like that. I was surprised to when I came to the court at., [Shri Mataji addressing to the yogi – tell the children to be quite please] Yogi: Be quite children. Shri Mataji: As the lady came in a taxi quite elderly looking. And she got down from the taxi, she took out her own suitcase from the back. And the taxi fellow just sitting tight there see. No respect for her. So, I thought women now want to be like men. It’s alright, you have it. No respect. They want to be like men alright and you be like men and do all the work like men. So, this as put an imbalance and as a result I think the society suffers but the responsibility of looking after a society is on women and politics and economics is men. But if woman’s(women) are dominating, they will have lots of problem. First is the children can never respect fathers and secondly is mooladhara. If the women lose their mooladhara nothing can work. They will make mad moves. So, I feel that the women have lost their understanding of their powers that we are like this Mother Earth and what would I do to nourish the whole world, beautify, soothes unclear() everything comes to us from Mother Earth but that powers that you have if you don’t exploit and if you waste your powers in competing with men, then you are doing something you should not do. if you start using your eyes for breathing instead of nose, you will never breathe. and there should be no sort of a competition about it. Because women think that if they put us down then we will put them down there is a way of handling men. In sahaj culture, you have to learn all this, how to handle men and how to be wise, how to be mothers or how to be good women. Now as far as sahaja yoga is concerned, I would say men are more knowledgeable I would say. Knowledgeable in the sense they know what are chakras, what is catching what is wrong, they are naturally they take more to the extrovert you can say, more to the spreading out more. Women have to be more spiritual unclear(). For that they have to become women. Otherwise they can’t, If you are a different person than what you are, then you cannot be unclear(survive). Unclear() I have to behave like women, and it creates problems. Lots of problems in the society. And today the society is absolutely crumbling down, the children are running away, and they are taking to drugs and husbands also running after women, for that also you should say, women are responsible they want to attract every other man. Why why do they attract to other man what is the use, you are not prostitutes. So once the women starts doing all this nonsense, you see they lose the unclear() themselves, and it becomes a complete imbalance within themselves and without. Because everything is responsible. For this I must be the credit to unclear() women very much. And that’s how our society is the best in the whole world I mean societies. we don’t have drug problems, we don’t have aids, we don’t have to unclear(disrespect) everyone, so very systematic in India. Of course, in politics and economics – India is the worst. But as far as the society is concern very healthy, very beautiful society. And you could have proper understanding how to be with each other. This has to be instead of women not that in India unclear() but still the women have to be women first. If a women becomes a politician and if she is not a mother, she will become like unclear(Mrs.Hutchinson). You have to have motherhood. If you have the motherhood then, if you become a politician then you become a benevolent politician. There is a big difference between a woman becoming a politician and a manly woman becoming a politician. She will become more man. So, what is the use of having a woman then? Unclear() So, this idea about Greek women you have to tell, we sahaja yogis have., and it looks nice to be women. I think to be self-respectable then men and self-contentable and also bearing. You can bare a lot. A woman can bare a lot. Supposing in my case I was unclear(), in my case supposing Rama had come so he would have gone to exile like 14 years he was ..yeah really because he didn’t even take it too much. Then if it was Krishna, he would have taken his Sudarshana Chakra and cut everybody’s heads. If it would have Christ he would have hanged himself finished. Once for all they have to. But only the mother can do this job with patience. and I am the only incarnation who lasted for so many years all of them finished within 40 years of age, 40-45 not more than that. Nobody lived so long because they don’t have patience. But women have patience. A ocean of patience. But you should know how to tap it. Then you can do many things. It can do many more then men do. I have seen that when I come so many come to see me, so many comes-thousands, what is so great because they see a mother in my face, they see my picture treat me as mother so they come. But then when their follower comes, they don’t want to because they think women are worse naturally, they are not bothered so it is for you to make it or unclear(). Make something to eat, be kind to them, be nice to them, so they will feel home. This is the point that-a great role must be played by women of sahaja yoga who have to look after the people when they come in, you have to make them feel at home unclear() if men are the less patient, no no no don’t say that she will be alright like that unclear() on the contrary you act unclear() and then also women should not talk too much if they are very talkative then they get bored. You should not talk too much. More gentle, more miser, miser type of a thing and - whatever you have to say, you should say supporting them so that person feels less unclear() That’s mother’s job you see. Father may be hard but the mother can say alright. It’s alright, now it’s a protection. So the mother is the protection for the child as it is in yourself unclear() so they should feel the sense of security unclear(). On the contrary if you start criticizing them, in the same way as men are criticizing unclear() so wisdom is in they were soothing them and protecting them and give them the sense of sensibility and then they unclear(). I think that is lacking among all western yogis unclear() the women are very weak they say. Why should we be weak unclear(). Why should we be strong sahaja yogis. So more love has to be developed in yourself. Not strictness, protect unclear(), not disciplining unclear(), not telling what to do but to give them a kind of security which gives them peace as if you have. And then you should not be like this also another point if women try to be like unclear() then the men don’t like it. They don’t like that unclear() You must able to work hard and give them, Shri Rama unclear() how much she can work, she works very hard compared to all these women unclear() all English and western women are in big trouble. They don’t know how to work, they don’t know how to cook, nothing of that kind, just they come pick up the bottle from the fridge put it there go back says what kind of training they have got? Unclear() in India old women are strict absolutely. She knows how to cook, she knows how to be unclear() because she know about it, she is a preserver, she is a preserver of the society. She works that way, anywhere, you take any Indian girl unclear() she will manage. They train them. They are nowhere less than you, they are quite intelligent, they are educated, everyway. And my servant was himself surprised that how these women are. I said how can they be women? They don’t know anything. I told them you see, recently. So, we are not to be men. We are to be women; we are the preserver of the society. We are the preserver. Alright? This is one thing that you must know that we are the preservers. And as the preservers we have to preserve all the value systems, all the love, kindness and understanding. It’s not difficult, it’s not difficult. Just you have to little bit change yourself-our attitude, your style and then you will feel very sweet, nice and happy about it within yourself. Otherwise, women hate themselves. Those women who do these things they hate themselves. Later on, you wander I did this mistake again I did it. The other day I was in Spain. Spanish women said unclear() no one wants to Spanish unclear(). So, I told them why is it so why is this thing? Then there is one Austrian cook, excellent cook who is one of the best books I have seen. Excellent cook, he was married to Spanish woman and he told me Mother I unclear() I can’t bear very unclear() I want to run away unclear(). He never even told her anything just ran away. I called her, what’s the matter? Why unclear() She said again I have done it. Mother I unclear(), I said why do you want to argue? Why don’t you enjoy his company? Why don’t you kind to him its nice you see, in the novel they want to do romantic things. But in practical life in their own life they are not unclear() and then for husband you become liabilities also you didn’t do this for me, talk to me, on the contrary the women has to look after. She is the one way. Of course, supposing you have to do some hard tasks then the men have to do. But mostly that is how that you can control them. Specially to make absolutely indispensable. A woman is indispensable. [Shri Mataji asks a question to a yogi- What do you say is in your language-indispensable?] Yogi: unclear() Shri Mataji: haa, absolutely. So you see the men can’t do anything unclear(). Now I am married for some more forty four years unclear() and my husband unclear() can’t do without me. Just can’t do unclear() because doesn’t like the food cooked by western people unclear(). Firstly food, secondly I will look after he-he won’t choose a suit for himself unless I select for him. Never. Because if he chooses a suit, whenever he wear it unclear(), what sort of a suit you are wearing? Because unclear() he depends on. If he has to invite people, then I have to look after them many times because he doesn’t know anything. So, you see in everywhere he is so dependent me. But he can’t help it. Now he got his knighthood recently. So immediately he found me out somehow. He telephoned to me. He said, ‘I am missing you very much’. I said ‘you want a knighthood why do you missing me unclear()’ no no I must know that I have knighthood now you all become a unclear(). I said ‘alright but what? You know you have to come here unclear() but I can’t I am in half way unclear()’ But this is what should happen to your men. Otherwise, what’s the use of marriage? If you cannot achieve it then you don’t know the trick. It’s not the beauty, it’s not all the we paint our nails nothing unclear(). They don’t see all these once you are married. Then they start seeing your inner beauty unclear(). And gradually you can win them. It’s very simple. But you just turned round and do this. And I unclear() I know war has done this. I know everywhere. Because of war men were on war part I mean on the unclear() and women were left behind. So, they have to do everything manly work and also women’s work alright. But now there is no war and nothing in these times still why are we with sword in our hands? No need. Now throw this sword out. When the husband comes only we are on war, poor men comes back from the war, they are in the war again unclear(). So, it is a trick one has to learn. Of course, you have every right to correct him if he has done something which is not social or which is unsocial, which is not good you can tell him. But first he must know that you are so important. And even an uneducated women in India is sensible unclear() because we have brought up unclear() how to be a good wife, how to manage the husbands, unclear() don’t look at the women they don’t go round with anyone. Just they don’t see whether you have a good figure or not, whether the complexion is good or not, nothing like that. Wife is like-as you have a child, you have your wife. The same way about husbands. After marriage what is there to choose? But it is important you know; we have had very bad experiences of this kind of things that are happening now. But the husbands just run away, they just don’t want to talk with their wives. This boy he just came after me, he didn’t even tell her I mean I was so shocked, he said He said ‘Mother tell her’ and he wants to send her Rome now. He wants me to correct her. I said she is not a child to unclear() no no in Rome, let her be in Rome I am going again to Boston, The company should tell this that they should want it. That’s the point. So if you do not have that art, unclear(). So, we have lost our art. We should get it back unclear(). And not by anything but by looking at ourselves and what is to be done. You just think yourself in the mirror and ask ‘will I like my own company?’ unclear() Alright I would just taught unclear() as in Spain that we have to enjoy married life also. But that doesn’t mean you have to become romantic unclear() either you are Romantic or fighting nothing in between. You must keep your balance that gives you the personality and you should not just get sort of absolutely nude to your husband and unclear() also but it should be a balance and understanding that you are the left wheel of the chariot and he is the right wheel of the chariot and both are needed, to be separated a bit, if you are glued together how can the chariot go or if the left wheel if you try to put on the right it won’t go unclear() so you are equal but you are not similar. This is the point one should know. And then you really enjoy to be a women. And you should try to do as much as possible for the life. As much as possible. If you just say I can’t do it, I don’t know, this that then you go on shifting, no I can do, why not? I can’t do this, I can’t do that. Also, energy comes to you when you start working. if you don’t work energy will not come. Supposing you tie up this side unclear() you find this will be thinner than this and it won’t be able to work for some time. So, while working all by, putting your attention and being aware you will have more energy. But don’t think about it. I asked Unclear() She said Mother they think too much and they think they are losers. I don’t think that Mother you do everything. I surrender that. Unclear() Simple answer. And she cooks for all of them. She washes the utensils she does everything, no English woman would do that, no one can do like she does. So, what’s the use of your hair, what’s the use of unclear() when you cannot even work. So, what’s the use? They are unclear() they are not organized, what’s the use? So put yourself to-I must learn this; I must not do this. She has been here so many days. Nobody came to learn anything from her. She would have taught the Indian food. My servant was there. Nobody learned. They just want everything on the table. I can understand Indians. Because I can understand Indians because unclear(women are servants). But the western women are really unclear() they don’t work at all compared to us. They really don’t was their utensil, they clean everything, they do everything, even he was telling me that even in ashram if these women go there, they do the same thing. They just want unclear() How can it be? He just told me. I was so surprised. I told him that you better unclear() in their childhood if you don’t work, then you don’t get your food. That’s samanyaya – for settlement. If you cannot do or she, or you cannot do this, I came from a very rich family, but we have to wash everything. We learnt how to wash the clothes with hands. How to wash utensils with hands. I remember with small small little hands cleaning the pots with my hands. I remember that unclear(). We have to. Just like as, you know that royal family in India has to work unclear() and has to learn everything unclear(). I think you have brought up in a hard way that why unclear() now we have servants and servants and servants. But still all even my grandchildren they got unclear() all the time. You are only everybody supposed to be very-I don’t know what unclear(), if you work then you will put on weight, feel better you have energy otherwise you will be unclear() thin and tired of unclear() one has to be active and unclear() get some energy and work. This is like this is the same when there are no trees why should be the rain? If there are trees, then there is the rain. In the same way when there is no work why should there be any energy for such a person? That person is a sick person so finished. Those who work only would get energy because I am working that’s why I get energy. Everybody said how do you have so much energy at this age? I have this because I am working. I want to work; I want to do this and do that everything has to be done.

6/24/1990

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Shri Lakshmi Puja and Talk before puja

Greece

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Lakshmi

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Shri Lakshmi Puja. Hydra (Greece), 24 June 1990 . Today we are going to celebrate the Puja of Lakshmi And I've already told you that Lakshmi came out of the sea. And Greece is the Nabhi of the universe. And whatever Lakshmi they have got, wealth, they have got it out of the sea faring activities there. So it is very apt that we should worship Lakshmi in Greece and understand what is the significance of Lakshmi is. Can you hear me there, all of you? Now I've described many a time, but, again I will describe it to you. Lakshmi is the one who is a Mother by nature. So a person who has Lakshmi, a person who has got wealth must have a motherly benevolent temperament; that's one thing. Then another thing is that She stands on the lotus in the water. So a person who has got Lakshmi must have a balance. If he moves this side or that side, left or right side he immediately goes inside the bhavasagar. Secondly, Her one hand is giving and another hand there is protection like this. So, at least a person who has got Lakshmi money should be generous, he should be giving and right hand should protect all the people who are working under him or who are related to him, his relations or other things or any other organizations or anything that he is connected with he should try to patronize and protect it from all kinds of dangers. The second part is that one hand of the Lakshmi has got a book in Her hand, and another has, no, second part is the two hands of the Lakshmi which are on top of head have got two lotuses in Her hand. That shows a person who is rich should have a heart like a lotus. A lotus heart is like this that even a very thorny type of an insect comes to the lotus in the night to sleep, the lotus opens its own petals and allows that thorny type of an insect to sleep in the very cozy way on the corona of the lotus so that he sleeps well there, comfort him. In the same way, a person who is very rich should have a capacity to allow guests to come in his house and to see to the comfort of the guests; whatever may be the status of that guest, whatever may be the situation of that guest, but that is immaterial. What is important is that he's your guest and you have to look after that guest and whatever he asked for you must provide him. Of course in the modern times it's all vanished into thin air. But we have so many examples in India where once a guest came like that and asked that he would like to eat the flesh of the child of the king. So the king said all right you can have the flesh, and he cooked the flesh and gave it to the guest. And guest was nobody else but it was Shri Krishna. You can say Shri Vishnu. And after five minutes he called the name of the boy and the boy came running to the parents. There are so many stories. Another one is Harishchandra who had a guest who came as Vamana. It's again Shri Vishnu to take his test. And he asked for all his kingdom. So Harishchandra gave him all his kingdom and went into the forest with his wife and suffered a lot. But in that sufferings he got his moksha and he got again complete reward of his kingdom and everything. He is very much purified. And also there is a king of this coming to a king Shri Vishnu as Vamana. and he asked that you have to give me land which is measured by my three steps. Bali was the king. He said: "All right, whatever you say". So with one foot he touched the sky; with another foot he touched the Mother Earth. The third foot he put on Bali's head and put him in the pathala, in the lower world. And that's how Vamana Avathara came. And like that we have various such examples in India. that when the guests are there how we are to treat them and how we have to be absolutely subservient and absolutely looking after. And it should be an honor for us to see our Sahaj Culture. This is our Sahaj Culture is. But what I find, that in the modern times, people just don't like this because people have become very selfish. But it is always reciprocal. If you have guests in your house and you look after them then it is always rewarded back, always in so many ways. In My own lifetime I have seen that even slightest help you give to someone how it comes back to you in a very big way. For example, there were.. Lenin can't you sit properly? Is it Lenin? Whose child? Are you not Sahaja Yogis? Whose child is this one? She's a new Sahaja Yogini? Now if the children misbehave, we'll ask them to go out of Puja, all right? Children must behave themselves and sit quietly, all of you. So once I was sitting outside my house and I was knitting something in Delhi and three people came and they said that, "We have no place to go to, we are refugees, and you have such a big house, you can give us a room, we would be very thankful". And I had house which had a room which was just outside, it was in no way connected to the house. So I said: "All right, doesn't matter. You can stay with us. The vibrations you are giving - nice people you are not telling lies. In the evening My brother came and My husband came and both of them said, now what sort of people these are, God knows, and what will they do to us, this and that, very angry. I said, now I've given them the house, all right. It is my responsibility. One month they were very much worried. They cannot come inside the house. They are outside. "What is the harm, they are refugees, let them stay." They stayed on. Actually they were very talented people. And then there was one Muslim man. And there were riots. After this whole trouble there was a riot, really of a very bad nature. And all these Sikh people came to my house, and they said we have heard there's Muslims stay here. I told them there is none. They said: "How can you say that?" I said: "You see I am wearing such big bindhi; I am myself a Hindu. Why will I keep a Muslim in my house? You get away from here. If you have to misbehave then I'll call the police." So this man was saved you see and after that what happened that I just lost them; they went away, they got some jobs. Then the lady who came, became a very great actress. And the man, the Muslim gentleman who was a poet [Shahid Udyami?] He was a great poet and after many years, see, we wanted to make a film and they wanted this lady to become mother in that film. I said I will not ask her. She doesn't know Me that I am here, and otherwise she will have to agree because she'll feel obliged to Me. I just don't want to say anything. If you want you can approach her and don't tell her my name. So, when they went to her she said "No, no I can't do it", and this and that, you know. So, they said all right you come to the opening ceremony then we'll see you if like it or not. She was saying: "I need a sari, you have to give me a sari", this, that and all those things she was demanding and so much money. So she came for the opening of that film. She saw me sitting, she just came to me hugged me and started crying. "How are you here? What are you doing here? After such a long time I am meeting you here. ", this and that. They told that, "She's the one who wants to make this film.” "Oh My God! ", she said, " You didn't tell me. What a sin I've committed. I would give my life for this lady.”, and all, and they were so surprised, and that's how the film was made. So small things you do good to somebody you see it comes out in many ways. Even if you are kind to people who are supposed to be not so good people say I think it works Like Me I was... one boy was very badly hurt: here, bandage here, bandage here and bandage there, standing there and he told Me that, “I have no work, can I come and work with You?” I said: “all right, come along”. So I put him in the car and brought him home. So as usual My brother and My husband got very angry with Me. "Who is this one you brought in? Who is he? After all...", this and that. I said: "It's all right, I'll treat him, I will put him right, then it's all right. I was treating him, they said: "You must go to the police, you must send him to the police. Might be, he might have run away from police. ", whatever. It happened about 8 days that he got cured. I said: "Let him get cured and then leave". He was much better; and that day at night he ran away from the house. Because they were forcing him to go. And he took away all My husband's money, his coats, and suits and My brother's everything that he had and My ornaments were lying there he didn't touch anything. In the morning these two got up, this your nephew has run away? I said "Yes, but what?" "He's run away with all our things; our shoes, our coats and pants and your things he has not touched." Even My ornaments, gold ornaments were lying on the table, he didn't touch anything. I said: "This is the thing you must learn. Why were you after his life? After all he was doing well, you were after his life." So he has to prove that he has, you go to the police. But, this is the way you are going to do it. So many things like this happen in life. It's so interesting to see how and you suddenly come across somebody and they tell you, "Oh you don't remember? I have been this and I have been that, You have helped me so much." So always if you are generous, you are always fed back by someone. Like if you open one door breeze won't come. If you open the second door the breeze starts coming in. So this is one of the qualities of the person who is a Lakshmipathi, the one who has money to give and to protect. Now most of the people who are rich people are extremely harsh with their servants, the people who depend on them, very aggressive and start trying to torture. But in the long run it doesn't pay. I have seen it. See if you try to be very careful, like in My house, my servants will never leave me. I mean, I don't know, everybody used to say: "Our servant has run away", somebody would say, doesn't want to stay and we have had three servants, five servants. If I had one servant he would last me till I actually died like that. I used to wonder what is the problem with these people. Actually, in the beginning they would come, they would be very hungry, I would leave everything open to them. Eat as much as you like. They used to eat everything and they would feel very much satisfied. Then Oh! It's too much. And whatever you may leave in the fridge, anybody would not eat it. So everything used to be open in my house. Never closed. They wanted to eat rice they can eat. Whatever they wanted to do they can do. And then they became part and parcel of the household and they started looking after everything very well. They would never steal anything, never eat anything like that, and no problems. While others lock everything, even the salt they would lock. And count everything and very strict with the servant and their servants would run away after 3 days or 4 days. And they would have servants problems. I never had, anywhere. So this is it that one has to understand that how you, those people who are your near and dear, how you treat them, your neighbors, your friends, those people who are dependent on you. Now somebody dependent on you then people try to show down that person. All the time show in a way that the person feels very much humiliated. Then when he gets out of that house, he takes a revenge. And he ill-treats them. So this protection has to be there. Now She's standing on a lotus, means on something that is very beautifully made but very delicate. So She handles people very delicately. And on a balance She is. Now when people have money, they go into imbalances very easily. You give somebody some money, immediately he will go to a pub, get drunk, will have five, six women around him or if she's a woman, she'll run after men and do all kinds of things. So money is very very, I should say, a very dangerous thing, because, it gives you imbalance. It gives you terrible imbalance. If you have money, too much money, then you work through to such imbalances that you cannot get over it. And one has to be very careful. You must have seen people who have money, how their children get spoiled, how husband get spoiled, wife get spoiled. All kinds of things are there. So money has a very big spoiling effect. And so she stands on the lotus and anybody who goes into imbalances, falls into the bhavasagar. Because the Lakshmi is as you know the consort of Vishnu. And She's resides with the, on the sea. So now the word ‘Marine'. 'Marine' has come also from the same, because we call Her 'Maria'. Maria is Mahalakshmi. She, the word comes from the marine, because She was born out of the sea, and that's why we call Her Maria. Now this she's born, this Mahalakshmi is a higher principle. When a person gets into balance and behaves like a Lakshmipathi and has all the affluence, he is dharmic and sensible, then what happens that he develops another principle within himself starts manifesting, is the Mahalakshmi. The Mahalakshmi is the thing that you start seeking the spirit. This Mahalakshmi principle is very important and it's also the parasympathetic nervous system is looked after by Mahalaksmi principle and the whole of Sushumna is nothing but Mahalakshmi. So when this principle is awakened within us then you start seeking. They are satisfied people who do not go hankering after others' things do not become greedy, and we do not try to acquire the things that belong to others and all other kinds of illegal things we do for money or these people now, this I saw the boat searching out those who are smuggling drugs so that it's all mad things because this is no use; what will they do with so much money? But, the greed goes on and on and on there's no end to it That's why people do all kinds of bad things to get money. But money never gives you joy, if it had given joy then people would have been happy, but they're not. So the Mahalakshmi principle rises where you try to find beyond. Of course the Mahalakshmi principle you do get all kinds of comforts and all kinds of blessings. But you get blessings also anyway but you do not hanker after it. And you do not deprive people of their things or sort of they do not tax them with money. You are not bothered and the money runs after you. When you are in the Mahalakshmi condition then said that Lakshmi comes and fills the water in your house, like that. So then there's no problem. The Mahalakshmi principle is the one which gives you all kinds of things which you get all as of fame then also the victory also success, also satisfaction, dignity and Aiswarya is a wealth which is dignified. All this you can have if your Mahalakshmi principle is awakened. And then through Mahalakshmi principle only you get your realization. So now in India, for example, there are three temples of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswathi. The Mahalakshmi temple is in Kolapur, which is a swayambu means just come out of the mother earth. And is there, the principle is there. And this Mahalakshmi temple there people go and sing the song of this Namadeva's, which you sing ‘Jogwa' yoga pray, because only in the Mahalakshmi channel, which is the Sushumna, ‘Ambe' is the Kundalini has to rise. That's why they sing the song that you be this... in the Mahalakshmi channel let the Kundalini rise, that is Ude Ude Ambe, means “Oh Kundalini you rise”. But they sing it in Mahalakshmi temple. Not in the temple of any other, Mahakali or any other but in the temple of Mahalakshmi and people didn't understand why in the temple of Mahalakshmi these people go and sing. Because only in the Mahalakshmi temple is, in the Mahalakshmi channel, this Kundalini has to rise and get awakened. Now this Mahalakshmi principle first was manifested at the time of Shri Rama as Sita. Then it was manifested later on Mahalakshmi principle as Radha, Ra dha. Ra means energy, dha means the one who sustains the energy. So it manifested as Radha. And then it manifested as 'Maria', Christ's Mother. She's Radha herself, but She created her own child. As Radha created, she, you see it's all described in the 'Devi Mahatmyam' that Radha, how she created the form and she also created her own child which is our Lord Jesus Christ. So this is how Mahalakshmi principle manifested best in the life of Maria. And then this Maria kept quiet. She never said She was anything. But Christ did say about Her, and on the cross He said, "Behold the Mother". Means the Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi... should see to Mahalakshmi. The Mahalakshmi. It has many meanings. It also means, "Behold the Adi Shakti". It also means, "Behold the Mahalakshmi", means the channel. It also means that your principle of Mahalakshmi. So that's what He said. Because on the cross He was very much in pain, but He said, "Behold The Mother". And that is the significance that these people have to look after their Mahalakshmi principle and also they have to look after the ascent and the Adi Shakti. But this Mahalakshmi principle is there within us now awakened because they are all Sahaja Yogis and Kundalini has come up. But still we sometimes lose our balance. We go to the left or to the right There are some people in Sahaja Yoga, came to Sahaja Yoga and were making money and all that and they fell off. Even after coming to Sahaja Yoga we continue with all our nonsensical things. So if you have to ascend you must know that our Mahalakshmi principle has to be absolutely pure. And that purity we must achieve and we should put all our attention to our Sahasrara. Because in the Sahasrara they say Mahalakshmi becomes the Viratangana. Is the power of the Virata. Virata means that, you can say the Macrocosm. Macrocosm. So in the brain She becomes the Viratangana. And there She is to look after the brain. So this Mahalakshmi principle that enters into the brain and gives you new dimensions to your awareness. And also lot of knowledge, lot of knowledge that you know and you become really very dynamic. So the first thing that happens to you with Mahalakshmi principle that you become very intelligent and you start absorbing, absorbing many things which you would normally not do. For example, to sing Hindi song and Marathi song is not easy. But you have seen how Sahaja Yogis sing it so easily. Only Sahaja Yogis can sing nobody else can sing. So that shows that it gives you a new dimension. Also you know about so many musicians who have played before me and suddenly have become very great musicians and have become very well-known people in India. So all the musicians in India respect Me very much and they always want that I should listen to them. Also it happens in every area of our adventures. Like even it helps in your business. We have some business people who came to Sahaja Yoga, now they have become tycoons. So the Mahalakshmi principle acts not only on our financial side, material side, also on our creative side. Become very creative in our art, in our expressions of our literature and all those things. So this principle is the main principle we have to stick on to is the Mahalakshmi principle and I'm very happy that in this day we are celebrating this Lakshmi puja, which ultimately has to become the Mahalakshmi puja. But problem is that still the people will... are still lost into these things which are very dangerous and are harmful. First of them is alcohol; alcohol is against Lakshmi. If alcohol comes from one side they say, the bottle comes from one door, the Lakshmi runs away from another much faster than. So you have seen that people who drink how their families are ruined and absolutely they don't have any money left. Another is this what you call is gambling. Gambling is absolutely against, because it's a disrespect of the, it is a disrespect of the Lakshmi Tattwa. Because Lakshmi should not be achieved by dwindling or by cheating or also by some sort of a trick or a play. That should not be done and when it is done, it is not respected, so she goes away. That's why a person who goes to races you'll find he can never be rich. Today he'll be rich, tomorrow he'll be a beggar. So all these things are in Sahaja Yoga even people who play these what you call share markets and stock markets and all that. Is against the Lakshmi principle. It doesn't work out. So the Lakshmi principle if it works out well, you can get out of the problem of money. But for that it is important that you have to meditate and cleanse your Nabhis. And the Nabhis are on the right side, I tell you, is of course is the Raja Lakshmi which is the dignity is the queen, I should say. But on the left hand side is the wife, the Gruha Lakshmi. And when the Gruha Lakshmi, the wives, are not sensible, if they don't understand their responsibility, said in Sanskrit "[SANSKRIT WORDS]": where the women are respectable and respected there only the Gods will reside. So what happens is that that when the house wives lose their dignity, lose their purpose, lose their aim in life, also become very wayward and stupid when they try to compete with men. Then the society starts getting disoriented. Gradually you find there is a great decline and a decadence of the society as such. Today we find in the west we can call it a decadent society, very decadent and for that I think the women of the west are responsible. If women had kept their feet on the grounds, it would never have become so decadent. But it has happened now, it's the responsibility of all the Sahaja Yoginis to be good housewives, to live with dharmic [UNAUDIBLE], to be kind to others, look after other Sahaja Yogis, I've already told them today, how they treat others and they are there to preserve. They are not there to dominate but to preserve the society of Sahaja Yogis. Now in this place we have here maybe the 'purvajas' the 'forefathers', the [Stamatis] might have been doing some very dharmic things or might have been very religious people or might have been very God-fearing, that I could come here and we could do this Puja here. So it is according to their punyas, their good things which has brought this Puja here, and I'm sure they all will be blessed here and their souls will be happy; and that they will take their birth again to get their realization. So it's a very good thing to come here and achieve this puja here. I'm very much thankful to you all for coming down here because it's little far away from Athens, but such a peaceful and a beautiful place for a puja and as you see today is the first moon day, is a very auspicious day today and it's the Lakshmi which came out on the first night of the ‘Manthana' they say so. So she was brought out of the sea, Lakshmi was brought out of the sea. And one of the fourteen things that came out of the sea, one of them was the Lakshmi. And Greeks understood this and they worked very hard to have fleet of ships and they made their money only out of shipping activities, and so that shows that they had the idea about Lakshmi Tattwa very well. Athena was here and once I went and saw the museum man here and he told me that we are used to believe in Athena, in one Goddess. But when some Indians came and told us this one Goddess takes three forms. These are the three forms of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswathi. These are the three powers [...], Also, they must have heard about Kundalini, the way they put snake form. So it is important for us to start new traditions and new behavior and a and a new type of a society, a new race that people will see and know that these are the people who are really working on their Mahalakshmi principle. May God bless you all. Children have to come up to wash My Feet. All the children, all right. Come! This is just the beginning of it, still not there. Be careful; there's a light behind you. My photograph is there, but photograph is missing. Vibrations here This is how what happens to people. This little light passes on to them. They are all Sahaja Yogis sitting. The lines are tying up everything. Mother says that the lines are tying everyone. They form Omkara. Omkar looking like heart later on. Here the Omkara has taken the form of a heart. This is Ganesha. Here the light takes the form of Mother's name. You are all become one with Me. Mother says we all have become one with the Mother. All other lights don't show also. See how many lights from Mother and other lights don't show on the photo. Omkara.............. [UNAUDIBLE] I hope you have seen My last Sahasrara's where the whole [UNAUDIBLE]. All of you should see them I think. I should carry them with Me. I know.. deities, once there are so many photographs. Temple of Athena and Surya; too much of Surya heat. Zeus. So it is very good today because after all Lakshmi is a...... Zeus is the Parashurama Avatar and the Mahalakshmi. These are the vases from Italy. Hello! What is this? Such a funny present it is. Quite interesting. There is a door It has a center Nabhi and full of honey like you. which You have been giving all the time. What is this inside... is honey? Oh a bottle of honey. There is Nabhi there. It is beautiful. It is not funny. Very interesting. The Finnish Yoginis baked some bread for you themselves. But because the puja was delayed, so it got dried little bit [UNAUDIBLE] Can I have? It is just a symbolic gift for You, Mother. I can have. Very good. Thank you very much. It's beautiful. What is this for water? Sharbath [SYRUPY COOL DRINK] This is coral. That she didn't know how to paint and suddenly she asked Me. She didn't know how to paint she just asked My [UNAUDIBLE] Spontaneously she painted this. She didn't know how to paint and what to paint, and suddenly she has the Dolphins symbolize Shri Vishnu. Shri Mataji! The dolphin symbolize friendship and this is from Greek, from Knossos. Not only.... evolution Dolphin was the first fish which came out of Mother Earth. See Vishnu took the form of dolphin also. No let her also hold, come along, all the children have to hold it. Every child has to hold it, all right. It's beautiful. This is from children? Thank you very much. Who is Shailaja? What is your name? Janaki. Janaki come! Shri Mataji is calling. Who is Radhika? Beautiful Radhika! You have done so well! Isn't it? Who is Radhika 5 years? Who is Kamala? Where is Kamala? She's not here? She's sleeping. Who is Ganesha? From Spain. What was the fight going on? Where is Niranand? That’s Radhika? Ah! Beautifully you have done it. Where is little Shakti? She is sleeping Where is Jain? They're all sleeping? Who is Vidya? What's your name? Thank you very much for the nice puja.

Shri Lakshmi Puja. Hydra (Greece), 24 June 1990 . Today we are going to celebrate the Puja of Lakshmi And I've already told you that Lakshmi came out of the sea. And Greece is the Nabhi of the universe. And whatever Lakshmi they have got, wealth, they have got it out of the sea faring activities there. So it is very apt that we should worship Lakshmi in Greece and understand what is the significance of Lakshmi is. Can you hear me there, all of you? Now I've described many a time, but, again I will describe it to you. Lakshmi is the one who is a Mother by nature. So a person who has Lakshmi, a person who has got wealth must have a motherly benevolent temperament; that's one thing. Then another thing is that She stands on the lotus in the water. So a person who has got Lakshmi must have a balance. If he moves this side or that side, left or right side he immediately goes inside the bhavasagar. Secondly, Her one hand is giving and another hand there is protection like this. So, at least a person who has got Lakshmi money should be generous, he should be giving and right hand should protect all the people who are working under him or who are related to him, his relations or other things or any other organizations or anything that he is connected with he should try to patronize and protect it from all kinds of dangers. The second part is that one hand of the Lakshmi has got a book in Her hand, and another has, no, second part is the two hands of the Lakshmi which are on top of head have got two lotuses in Her hand. That shows a person who is rich should have a heart like a lotus. A lotus heart is like this that even a very thorny type of an insect comes to the lotus in the night to sleep, the lotus opens its own petals and allows that thorny type of an insect to sleep in the very cozy way on the corona of the lotus so that he sleeps well there, comfort him. In the same way, a person who is very rich should have a capacity to allow guests to come in his house and to see to the comfort of the guests; whatever may be the status of that guest, whatever may be the situation of that guest, but that is immaterial. What is important is that he's your guest and you have to look after that guest and whatever he asked for you must provide him. Of course in the modern times it's all vanished into thin air. But we have so many examples in India where once a guest came like that and asked that he would like to eat the flesh of the child of the king. So the king said all right you can have the flesh, and he cooked the flesh and gave it to the guest. And guest was nobody else but it was Shri Krishna. You can say Shri Vishnu. And after five minutes he called the name of the boy and the boy came running to the parents. There are so many stories. Another one is Harishchandra who had a guest who came as Vamana. It's again Shri Vishnu to take his test. And he asked for all his kingdom. So Harishchandra gave him all his kingdom and went into the forest with his wife and suffered a lot. But in that sufferings he got his moksha and he got again complete reward of his kingdom and everything. He is very much purified. And also there is a king of this coming to a king Shri Vishnu as Vamana. and he asked that you have to give me land which is measured by my three steps. Bali was the king. He said: "All right, whatever you say". So with one foot he touched the sky; with another foot he touched the Mother Earth. The third foot he put on Bali's head and put him in the pathala, in the lower world. And that's how Vamana Avathara came. And like that we have various such examples in India. that when the guests are there how we are to treat them and how we have to be absolutely subservient and absolutely looking after. And it should be an honor for us to see our Sahaj Culture. This is our Sahaj Culture is. But what I find, that in the modern times, people just don't like this because people have become very selfish. But it is always reciprocal. If you have guests in your house and you look after them then it is always rewarded back, always in so many ways. In My own lifetime I have seen that even slightest help you give to someone how it comes back to you in a very big way. For example, there were.. Lenin can't you sit properly? Is it Lenin? Whose child? Are you not Sahaja Yogis? Whose child is this one? She's a new Sahaja Yogini? Now if the children misbehave, we'll ask them to go out of Puja, all right? Children must behave themselves and sit quietly, all of you. So once I was sitting outside my house and I was knitting something in Delhi and three people came and they said that, "We have no place to go to, we are refugees, and you have such a big house, you can give us a room, we would be very thankful". And I had house which had a room which was just outside, it was in no way connected to the house. So I said: "All right, doesn't matter. You can stay with us. The vibrations you are giving - nice people you are not telling lies. In the evening My brother came and My husband came and both of them said, now what sort of people these are, God knows, and what will they do to us, this and that, very angry. I said, now I've given them the house, all right. It is my responsibility. One month they were very much worried. They cannot come inside the house. They are outside. "What is the harm, they are refugees, let them stay." They stayed on. Actually they were very talented people. And then there was one Muslim man. And there were riots. After this whole trouble there was a riot, really of a very bad nature. And all these Sikh people came to my house, and they said we have heard there's Muslims stay here. I told them there is none. They said: "How can you say that?" I said: "You see I am wearing such big bindhi; I am myself a Hindu. Why will I keep a Muslim in my house? You get away from here. If you have to misbehave then I'll call the police." So this man was saved you see and after that what happened that I just lost them; they went away, they got some jobs. Then the lady who came, became a very great actress. And the man, the Muslim gentleman who was a poet [Shahid Udyami?] He was a great poet and after many years, see, we wanted to make a film and they wanted this lady to become mother in that film. I said I will not ask her. She doesn't know Me that I am here, and otherwise she will have to agree because she'll feel obliged to Me. I just don't want to say anything. If you want you can approach her and don't tell her my name. So, when they went to her she said "No, no I can't do it", and this and that, you know. So, they said all right you come to the opening ceremony then we'll see you if like it or not. She was saying: "I need a sari, you have to give me a sari", this, that and all those things she was demanding and so much money. So she came for the opening of that film. She saw me sitting, she just came to me hugged me and started crying. "How are you here? What are you doing here? After such a long time I am meeting you here. ", this and that. They told that, "She's the one who wants to make this film.” "Oh My God! ", she said, " You didn't tell me. What a sin I've committed. I would give my life for this lady.”, and all, and they were so surprised, and that's how the film was made. So small things you do good to somebody you see it comes out in many ways. Even if you are kind to people who are supposed to be not so good people say I think it works Like Me I was... one boy was very badly hurt: here, bandage here, bandage here and bandage there, standing there and he told Me that, “I have no work, can I come and work with You?” I said: “all right, come along”. So I put him in the car and brought him home. So as usual My brother and My husband got very angry with Me. "Who is this one you brought in? Who is he? After all...", this and that. I said: "It's all right, I'll treat him, I will put him right, then it's all right. I was treating him, they said: "You must go to the police, you must send him to the police. Might be, he might have run away from police. ", whatever. It happened about 8 days that he got cured. I said: "Let him get cured and then leave". He was much better; and that day at night he ran away from the house. Because they were forcing him to go. And he took away all My husband's money, his coats, and suits and My brother's everything that he had and My ornaments were lying there he didn't touch anything. In the morning these two got up, this your nephew has run away? I said "Yes, but what?" "He's run away with all our things; our shoes, our coats and pants and your things he has not touched." Even My ornaments, gold ornaments were lying on the table, he didn't touch anything. I said: "This is the thing you must learn. Why were you after his life? After all he was doing well, you were after his life." So he has to prove that he has, you go to the police. But, this is the way you are going to do it. So many things like this happen in life. It's so interesting to see how and you suddenly come across somebody and they tell you, "Oh you don't remember? I have been this and I have been that, You have helped me so much." So always if you are generous, you are always fed back by someone. Like if you open one door breeze won't come. If you open the second door the breeze starts coming in. So this is one of the qualities of the person who is a Lakshmipathi, the one who has money to give and to protect. Now most of the people who are rich people are extremely harsh with their servants, the people who depend on them, very aggressive and start trying to torture. But in the long run it doesn't pay. I have seen it. See if you try to be very careful, like in My house, my servants will never leave me. I mean, I don't know, everybody used to say: "Our servant has run away", somebody would say, doesn't want to stay and we have had three servants, five servants. If I had one servant he would last me till I actually died like that. I used to wonder what is the problem with these people. Actually, in the beginning they would come, they would be very hungry, I would leave everything open to them. Eat as much as you like. They used to eat everything and they would feel very much satisfied. Then Oh! It's too much. And whatever you may leave in the fridge, anybody would not eat it. So everything used to be open in my house. Never closed. They wanted to eat rice they can eat. Whatever they wanted to do they can do. And then they became part and parcel of the household and they started looking after everything very well. They would never steal anything, never eat anything like that, and no problems. While others lock everything, even the salt they would lock. And count everything and very strict with the servant and their servants would run away after 3 days or 4 days. And they would have servants problems. I never had, anywhere. So this is it that one has to understand that how you, those people who are your near and dear, how you treat them, your neighbors, your friends, those people who are dependent on you. Now somebody dependent on you then people try to show down that person. All the time show in a way that the person feels very much humiliated. Then when he gets out of that house, he takes a revenge. And he ill-treats them. So this protection has to be there. Now She's standing on a lotus, means on something that is very beautifully made but very delicate. So She handles people very delicately. And on a balance She is. Now when people have money, they go into imbalances very easily. You give somebody some money, immediately he will go to a pub, get drunk, will have five, six women around him or if she's a woman, she'll run after men and do all kinds of things. So money is very very, I should say, a very dangerous thing, because, it gives you imbalance. It gives you terrible imbalance. If you have money, too much money, then you work through to such imbalances that you cannot get over it. And one has to be very careful. You must have seen people who have money, how their children get spoiled, how husband get spoiled, wife get spoiled. All kinds of things are there. So money has a very big spoiling effect. And so she stands on the lotus and anybody who goes into imbalances, falls into the bhavasagar. Because the Lakshmi is as you know the consort of Vishnu. And She's resides with the, on the sea. So now the word ‘Marine'. 'Marine' has come also from the same, because we call Her 'Maria'. Maria is Mahalakshmi. She, the word comes from the marine, because She was born out of the sea, and that's why we call Her Maria. Now this she's born, this Mahalakshmi is a higher principle. When a person gets into balance and behaves like a Lakshmipathi and has all the affluence, he is dharmic and sensible, then what happens that he develops another principle within himself starts manifesting, is the Mahalakshmi. The Mahalakshmi is the thing that you start seeking the spirit. This Mahalakshmi principle is very important and it's also the parasympathetic nervous system is looked after by Mahalaksmi principle and the whole of Sushumna is nothing but Mahalakshmi. So when this principle is awakened within us then you start seeking. They are satisfied people who do not go hankering after others' things do not become greedy, and we do not try to acquire the things that belong to others and all other kinds of illegal things we do for money or these people now, this I saw the boat searching out those who are smuggling drugs so that it's all mad things because this is no use; what will they do with so much money? But, the greed goes on and on and on there's no end to it That's why people do all kinds of bad things to get money. But money never gives you joy, if it had given joy then people would have been happy, but they're not. So the Mahalakshmi principle rises where you try to find beyond. Of course the Mahalakshmi principle you do get all kinds of comforts and all kinds of blessings. But you get blessings also anyway but you do not hanker after it. And you do not deprive people of their things or sort of they do not tax them with money. You are not bothered and the money runs after you. When you are in the Mahalakshmi condition then said that Lakshmi comes and fills the water in your house, like that. So then there's no problem. The Mahalakshmi principle is the one which gives you all kinds of things which you get all as of fame then also the victory also success, also satisfaction, dignity and Aiswarya is a wealth which is dignified. All this you can have if your Mahalakshmi principle is awakened. And then through Mahalakshmi principle only you get your realization. So now in India, for example, there are three temples of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswathi. The Mahalakshmi temple is in Kolapur, which is a swayambu means just come out of the mother earth. And is there, the principle is there. And this Mahalakshmi temple there people go and sing the song of this Namadeva's, which you sing ‘Jogwa' yoga pray, because only in the Mahalakshmi channel, which is the Sushumna, ‘Ambe' is the Kundalini has to rise. That's why they sing the song that you be this... in the Mahalakshmi channel let the Kundalini rise, that is Ude Ude Ambe, means “Oh Kundalini you rise”. But they sing it in Mahalakshmi temple. Not in the temple of any other, Mahakali or any other but in the temple of Mahalakshmi and people didn't understand why in the temple of Mahalakshmi these people go and sing. Because only in the Mahalakshmi temple is, in the Mahalakshmi channel, this Kundalini has to rise and get awakened. Now this Mahalakshmi principle first was manifested at the time of Shri Rama as Sita. Then it was manifested later on Mahalakshmi principle as Radha, Ra dha. Ra means energy, dha means the one who sustains the energy. So it manifested as Radha. And then it manifested as 'Maria', Christ's Mother. She's Radha herself, but She created her own child. As Radha created, she, you see it's all described in the 'Devi Mahatmyam' that Radha, how she created the form and she also created her own child which is our Lord Jesus Christ. So this is how Mahalakshmi principle manifested best in the life of Maria. And then this Maria kept quiet. She never said She was anything. But Christ did say about Her, and on the cross He said, "Behold the Mother". Means the Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi... should see to Mahalakshmi. The Mahalakshmi. It has many meanings. It also means, "Behold the Adi Shakti". It also means, "Behold the Mahalakshmi", means the channel. It also means that your principle of Mahalakshmi. So that's what He said. Because on the cross He was very much in pain, but He said, "Behold The Mother". And that is the significance that these people have to look after their Mahalakshmi principle and also they have to look after the ascent and the Adi Shakti. But this Mahalakshmi principle is there within us now awakened because they are all Sahaja Yogis and Kundalini has come up. But still we sometimes lose our balance. We go to the left or to the right There are some people in Sahaja Yoga, came to Sahaja Yoga and were making money and all that and they fell off. Even after coming to Sahaja Yoga we continue with all our nonsensical things. So if you have to ascend you must know that our Mahalakshmi principle has to be absolutely pure. And that purity we must achieve and we should put all our attention to our Sahasrara. Because in the Sahasrara they say Mahalakshmi becomes the Viratangana. Is the power of the Virata. Virata means that, you can say the Macrocosm. Macrocosm. So in the brain She becomes the Viratangana. And there She is to look after the brain. So this Mahalakshmi principle that enters into the brain and gives you new dimensions to your awareness. And also lot of knowledge, lot of knowledge that you know and you become really very dynamic. So the first thing that happens to you with Mahalakshmi principle that you become very intelligent and you start absorbing, absorbing many things which you would normally not do. For example, to sing Hindi song and Marathi song is not easy. But you have seen how Sahaja Yogis sing it so easily. Only Sahaja Yogis can sing nobody else can sing. So that shows that it gives you a new dimension. Also you know about so many musicians who have played before me and suddenly have become very great musicians and have become very well-known people in India. So all the musicians in India respect Me very much and they always want that I should listen to them. Also it happens in every area of our adventures. Like even it helps in your business. We have some business people who came to Sahaja Yoga, now they have become tycoons. So the Mahalakshmi principle acts not only on our financial side, material side, also on our creative side. Become very creative in our art, in our expressions of our literature and all those things. So this principle is the main principle we have to stick on to is the Mahalakshmi principle and I'm very happy that in this day we are celebrating this Lakshmi puja, which ultimately has to become the Mahalakshmi puja. But problem is that still the people will... are still lost into these things which are very dangerous and are harmful. First of them is alcohol; alcohol is against Lakshmi. If alcohol comes from one side they say, the bottle comes from one door, the Lakshmi runs away from another much faster than. So you have seen that people who drink how their families are ruined and absolutely they don't have any money left. Another is this what you call is gambling. Gambling is absolutely against, because it's a disrespect of the, it is a disrespect of the Lakshmi Tattwa. Because Lakshmi should not be achieved by dwindling or by cheating or also by some sort of a trick or a play. That should not be done and when it is done, it is not respected, so she goes away. That's why a person who goes to races you'll find he can never be rich. Today he'll be rich, tomorrow he'll be a beggar. So all these things are in Sahaja Yoga even people who play these what you call share markets and stock markets and all that. Is against the Lakshmi principle. It doesn't work out. So the Lakshmi principle if it works out well, you can get out of the problem of money. But for that it is important that you have to meditate and cleanse your Nabhis. And the Nabhis are on the right side, I tell you, is of course is the Raja Lakshmi which is the dignity is the queen, I should say. But on the left hand side is the wife, the Gruha Lakshmi. And when the Gruha Lakshmi, the wives, are not sensible, if they don't understand their responsibility, said in Sanskrit "[SANSKRIT WORDS]": where the women are respectable and respected there only the Gods will reside. So what happens is that that when the house wives lose their dignity, lose their purpose, lose their aim in life, also become very wayward and stupid when they try to compete with men. Then the society starts getting disoriented. Gradually you find there is a great decline and a decadence of the society as such. Today we find in the west we can call it a decadent society, very decadent and for that I think the women of the west are responsible. If women had kept their feet on the grounds, it would never have become so decadent. But it has happened now, it's the responsibility of all the Sahaja Yoginis to be good housewives, to live with dharmic [UNAUDIBLE], to be kind to others, look after other Sahaja Yogis, I've already told them today, how they treat others and they are there to preserve. They are not there to dominate but to preserve the society of Sahaja Yogis. Now in this place we have here maybe the 'purvajas' the 'forefathers', the [Stamatis] might have been doing some very dharmic things or might have been very religious people or might have been very God-fearing, that I could come here and we could do this Puja here. So it is according to their punyas, their good things which has brought this Puja here, and I'm sure they all will be blessed here and their souls will be happy; and that they will take their birth again to get their realization. So it's a very good thing to come here and achieve this puja here. I'm very much thankful to you all for coming down here because it's little far away from Athens, but such a peaceful and a beautiful place for a puja and as you see today is the first moon day, is a very auspicious day today and it's the Lakshmi which came out on the first night of the ‘Manthana' they say so. So she was brought out of the sea, Lakshmi was brought out of the sea. And one of the fourteen things that came out of the sea, one of them was the Lakshmi. And Greeks understood this and they worked very hard to have fleet of ships and they made their money only out of shipping activities, and so that shows that they had the idea about Lakshmi Tattwa very well. Athena was here and once I went and saw the museum man here and he told me that we are used to believe in Athena, in one Goddess. But when some Indians came and told us this one Goddess takes three forms. These are the three forms of Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasaraswathi. These are the three powers [...], Also, they must have heard about Kundalini, the way they put snake form. So it is important for us to start new traditions and new behavior and a and a new type of a society, a new race that people will see and know that these are the people who are really working on their Mahalakshmi principle. May God bless you all. Children have to come up to wash My Feet. All the children, all right. Come! This is just the beginning of it, still not there. Be careful; there's a light behind you. My photograph is there, but photograph is missing. Vibrations here This is how what happens to people. This little light passes on to them. They are all Sahaja Yogis sitting. The lines are tying up everything. Mother says that the lines are tying everyone. They form Omkara. Omkar looking like heart later on. Here the Omkara has taken the form of a heart. This is Ganesha. Here the light takes the form of Mother's name. You are all become one with Me. Mother says we all have become one with the Mother. All other lights don't show also. See how many lights from Mother and other lights don't show on the photo. Omkara.............. [UNAUDIBLE] I hope you have seen My last Sahasrara's where the whole [UNAUDIBLE]. All of you should see them I think. I should carry them with Me. I know.. deities, once there are so many photographs. Temple of Athena and Surya; too much of Surya heat. Zeus. So it is very good today because after all Lakshmi is a...... Zeus is the Parashurama Avatar and the Mahalakshmi. These are the vases from Italy. Hello! What is this? Such a funny present it is. Quite interesting. There is a door It has a center Nabhi and full of honey like you. which You have been giving all the time. What is this inside... is honey? Oh a bottle of honey. There is Nabhi there. It is beautiful. It is not funny. Very interesting. The Finnish Yoginis baked some bread for you themselves. But because the puja was delayed, so it got dried little bit [UNAUDIBLE] Can I have? It is just a symbolic gift for You, Mother. I can have. Very good. Thank you very much. It's beautiful. What is this for water? Sharbath [SYRUPY COOL DRINK] This is coral. That she didn't know how to paint and suddenly she asked Me. She didn't know how to paint she just asked My [UNAUDIBLE] Spontaneously she painted this. She didn't know how to paint and what to paint, and suddenly she has the Dolphins symbolize Shri Vishnu. Shri Mataji! The dolphin symbolize friendship and this is from Greek, from Knossos. Not only.... evolution Dolphin was the first fish which came out of Mother Earth. See Vishnu took the form of dolphin also. No let her also hold, come along, all the children have to hold it. Every child has to hold it, all right. It's beautiful. This is from children? Thank you very much. Who is Shailaja? What is your name? Janaki. Janaki come! Shri Mataji is calling. Who is Radhika? Beautiful Radhika! You have done so well! Isn't it? Who is Radhika 5 years? Who is Kamala? Where is Kamala? She's not here? She's sleeping. Who is Ganesha? From Spain. What was the fight going on? Where is Niranand? That’s Radhika? Ah! Beautifully you have done it. Where is little Shakti? She is sleeping Where is Jain? They're all sleeping? Who is Vidya? What's your name? Thank you very much for the nice puja.

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Public program, Moscow, Russia, 25-06-1990 I bow to you all who are seekers of Truth! (Shri Mataji bow to the audience with folded hands) But first of all, we have to know what is the truth. What is the Absolute? In our evolutionary process, we have got human awareness. We have also got the freedom to form our own ideas, mental ideas as to what the Truth is. But Truth cannot be known through human awareness. One has to become a subtler personality. All this knowledge that we have outside, has created a civilization which is like a big tree. But we have to find out about the roots which are going to nourish this civilization. if you do not know the absolute Truth you commit mistakes and any kind of ideas, any kind of mental projections, any kind of mental ideologies ultimately (unclear) because it has to be substantiated by reality. And what is the Reality? The reality is that you are not only this body, this mind, this intellect, this ego, or this conditioning but you are the pure Spirit. The another thing is that we take all living work for granted. For example, we take all these flowers for granted without finding out how a seed has become a flower. And also of different types. There are so many things in our body, physical body medically cannot be explained. One of them is that a human body always throws whatever is faulty. But when a child is conceived the fetus there, it is nourished, retained, and looked after and thrown out at a proper time. Everything, for example, the mango tree grows up to a certain level a rose plant grows up to a certain level they do not cross the limits. Every animal has it's limits too. So, what is that energy which does all this work? The energy that nourishes us, looks after us, gives us a balance, what is that energy? This energy resides in the Mother Earth, resides in the Sun, resides everywhere, and how it works through those elements. It definitely exists but we have never felt it before. When I am talking to you, you have to keep your mind open as a scientist and see for yourself whatever I am saying, is truth or not. If it is true then you have to accept it. As true and honest people you have to develop it also. Now, if I say that every human being even these sweet children are extremely potential and they are capable of taking great dynamic lives, but there is a little problem. Like this instrument I am using (Shri Mataji is showing the mike she is holding) if it is not connected to the mains, it is useless. In the same way, unless and until we are connected to this divine love, the energy of divine love we are not full of ourselves, our manifestation is not complete. All our glory, all our beauty, all our dynamism, all our compassion is limited. We get easily frustrated, we get easily disappointed and we feel this life is really a misery. I have come here to give you a message that human life once enlightened is the highest life in the whole universe. It is no use describing this mechanical thing that you see here (it seems as if Shri Mataji is pointing towards the subtle system chart which is not visible) Best thing is that you take your realization, You feel this divine power and then you know yourself what this mechanism is and what's the technique. As the kundalini rises, she passes through subtle centres which cater to your physical, emotional, and mental side. and ultimately it makes your spirit shine into your attention. And then this spirit which is in your attention, makes your attention so powerful that wherever you put your attention it acts, acts for benevolence for your being, for your fellow being, and for the whole world. It acts in such a way that it understands everything, it knows everything, and it also has the trick, how to work it out. And the Spirit is a collective being within us. Like the sun can reflect on everything but if the reflector is like a stone, it doesn't show it's reflection. But once if you are realized, then you start reflecting the Spirit and all the qualities of the Spirit start manifesting by itself through you. The first quality of the Spirit is that you become collectively conscious. That means your awareness widens, you see other dimensions by which you can feel on your fingertips your centres and centres of others. If only you know how to correct these centres then you can help yourself and you can help everyone. Spirit is the source of peace. Even if we talk of peace, people have foundations of peace but there is no peace within themselves. So, a person who is guided by the spirit emits, emits peace. And Spirit is the source of power. You become so powerful that no habit can overpower you. I have seen people giving up drugs and alcoholism overnight. Spirit is the source of wisdom. Even small children who sometimes you find are very difficult and troublesome and misguided by schools, once they get you enlightened they become extremely wise children. The sense of respect comes to them because they respect themselves. The Spirit is the source of knowledge. Whatever knowledge we have about anything is very superficial. Once I was travelling in Kashmir and I felt tremendous vibrations of this divine power. And I knew there was somebody who must have lived here who must be a great man. So, I asked the driver to take me to the way from where the vibrations were coming. And guess what? There was complete wilderness throughout. and very poor people living there. I asked them is there any saint who lived here? They said no, but there is a little thing kept here! One hair of Hazrat Mohammed Saheb!! Now I got it five miles away! But whatever knowledge we have through self-realization is the absolute, real knowledge. Otherwise, the way people follow Mohammad saheb, we are surprised how can they be. The way they follow Christianity you can't believe. The way they follow Hinduism you can't believe that they have any faith in something good. They are all capable of doing any kind of bad thing or committing any kind of sins, all of them. So, they have no knowledge. They are blind. Unless and until your eyes are opened out and you see the knowledge, if you believe in anything it's blind faith. And blind faith leads you to destruction. It becomes like an addiction and the person goes on destroying himself till the whole community is destroyed. So, whatever may be the human philosophies, ideologies, or anything, unless and until you have the sense of reality within you, you are following it blindly. But you all should be very knowledgeable. You all should know each and everything about yourself and others. You all can learn and understand the problems of our society and how to solve them. And you can judge yourself very well also because you can feel yourself. You can feel your centres. Today when I came, somebody told me, Mother! My agnya is catching very much! That means actually that I have become very egoistical, but he confesses and he says, Mother! Just clear this agnya and I'll be alright because I have got a headache with this! But without realization, if you tell somebody you have an ego he will hit you. So, when we say this is my hand, these are my feeling or this is my intelligence, we always say the relationship 'my' but what is I? That we don't know! That I is the Spirit! This starts manifesting, it has so many benevolent qualities that in one lecture I think I cannot describe them, but that's all potential within you. And if the divine power of love awakens it, you get what you want. So, we have to just say that we want to be the Spirit because this Kundalini is the power of pure desire because all other desires are impure. You want today to buy a car then you want to have a house. You go on like that. They are never satisfied. So, the pure desire is to be one with that Divine power and is only possible when you become the Spirit. Today I request you all to bring your questions tomorrow. I will try to answer because there are so many people, properly written down. But even if I answer your questions, it doesn't mean you'll get your realization, there is no guarantee. There is no lecturing necessary for raising the Kundalini because it's a living process. Like we don't lecture to the Mother Earth and seed when it has to sprout. So, this living process has to take place and happens spontaneously. So, Sahaj yoga means with you is 'sah', ' ja' means born, with you is born, is the right to have yoga, means union with this divine power. So, this is how it has to work out and this is the only thing that is going to transform the whole world. Now, we are working in forty nations and you'll be surprised what beautiful life Sahaj yogi have. They treat each other with such love, with such understanding and there is never a quarrel. If there is a person who is trying to exploit, he just gets out of Sahaj yoga, he is exposed. But then again he can work it out and come back. But when you ascend you have to be careful because the more you ascend the worst is to fall. So, let us have our self-realization and enjoy ourselves. Is it alright? (Audience applause while Shri Mataji smiles and bow to them) (Unclear) and some Germans have come here. Also, there are some English, some Indians, and Muslims. You can take out your ( the video is cut) And now put your right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to ask a very fundamental question to me. You can call me Shri Mataji or mother. Now, with full confidence, you ask a question three times to me. Mother! Am I the spirit? In your heart. Now, if you are the spirit then you are your master you are your guide. So, now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. We are working only on the left-hand side. Here, now you have to ask another question to me. Mother, am I my own master? three times. Again I am saying, I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it in your own freedom. So, now please take down your rights hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now here ask me six times, Mother! please give me pure knowledge! Six times because this centre has got six petals. When you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising upward. So, we have to nourish the upper chakras, centres with our self-confidence. So, now please put your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and say with full confidence over the centre, Mother! I am my own master! I am already told you that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these emotions, you are not this ego or conditionings. You are pure Spirit. So, now raise your right hand on your heart and here you have to say with full confidence twelve times, Mother! I am the Spirit! So, now raise your right hand on the corner of your neck and shoulder. All the divine power is the power of love, is the ocean of compassion. It is the ocean of knowledge and ocean of joy. It is the ocean of benedictions. So, you should not feel guilty at all because whatever mistakes you have committed can be easily dissolved completely, completely by this power of compassion and bliss. So, turn your head to your right and say sixteen times, Mother! I am not guilty at all! This is the one centre you have so please do not feel guilty. I told you that whether you forgive or you don't forgive you do not do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into the wrong hands and you torture yourself. Those who want to torture you are happy people while you go on suffering. So, please take your right hand on your forehead and put it across. Please press it on both the sides of your forehead and put down your head. Here you have to say from your heart, from your heart not how many times. Mother, I forgive everyone! In general, you have to forgive not to each and every person. Now please take your right hand at the back of your head and push back your head as far as possible on it. Now here you have to say for your own satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes say, Oh! all-pervading power if I have done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly please forgive me. Now you have to stretch your palm fully and put the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone area. Now, please bend down your head, new press your scalp by pushing out your fingers outwards. Please put down your head. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for self-realization. I cannot force it on you. So, now you put your right hand on top of your fontanelle bone area properly and push back your fingers nicely and put down your head and now move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise by saying Mother, please give me my self-realization! Put down your head! Push back your fingers! Push back your fingers! Shri Mataji blows in the microphone seven times. Now, please take down your hands and put them towards me. Now watch me without thinking. Open your eyes and watch me without thinking. Now, please put your right hand towards me. And put down your head and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people will get it hot some people will get it cool. First, the heat has to go out. Now, also don't touch your head. Keep it away. Some people get it very far away from the head. Put down your head properly. Now, please put your left hand towards me and put down your head and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, please put your right hand towards me again and see with your left hand if you are feeling the cool breeze. Bend your head! Please don't touch your head. Take it away from the head. Now, again with the left hand, you see if there is a cool breeze. Now, please raise both your hands towards the sky and push back your head like this. Now, ask me a question, one of the questions. Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the all-pervading power? Mother, is this the paramchaitnya? Ask any question three times. Put your head up like that. May God bless you! Thank you very much! (Unclear, a very huge crowd of the audience is seen with both their hands up in the air) Please come here tomorrow and I'll tell you how to protect yourself, how to know yourself, and how to know others. (Unclear)

Public program, Moscow, Russia, 25-06-1990 I bow to you all who are seekers of Truth! (Shri Mataji bow to the audience with folded hands) But first of all, we have to know what is the truth. What is the Absolute? In our evolutionary process, we have got human awareness. We have also got the freedom to form our own ideas, mental ideas as to what the Truth is. But Truth cannot be known through human awareness. One has to become a subtler personality. All this knowledge that we have outside, has created a civilization which is like a big tree. But we have to find out about the roots which are going to nourish this civilization. if you do not know the absolute Truth you commit mistakes and any kind of ideas, any kind of mental projections, any kind of mental ideologies ultimately (unclear) because it has to be substantiated by reality. And what is the Reality? The reality is that you are not only this body, this mind, this intellect, this ego, or this conditioning but you are the pure Spirit. The another thing is that we take all living work for granted. For example, we take all these flowers for granted without finding out how a seed has become a flower. And also of different types. There are so many things in our body, physical body medically cannot be explained. One of them is that a human body always throws whatever is faulty. But when a child is conceived the fetus there, it is nourished, retained, and looked after and thrown out at a proper time. Everything, for example, the mango tree grows up to a certain level a rose plant grows up to a certain level they do not cross the limits. Every animal has it's limits too. So, what is that energy which does all this work? The energy that nourishes us, looks after us, gives us a balance, what is that energy? This energy resides in the Mother Earth, resides in the Sun, resides everywhere, and how it works through those elements. It definitely exists but we have never felt it before. When I am talking to you, you have to keep your mind open as a scientist and see for yourself whatever I am saying, is truth or not. If it is true then you have to accept it. As true and honest people you have to develop it also. Now, if I say that every human being even these sweet children are extremely potential and they are capable of taking great dynamic lives, but there is a little problem. Like this instrument I am using (Shri Mataji is showing the mike she is holding) if it is not connected to the mains, it is useless. In the same way, unless and until we are connected to this divine love, the energy of divine love we are not full of ourselves, our manifestation is not complete. All our glory, all our beauty, all our dynamism, all our compassion is limited. We get easily frustrated, we get easily disappointed and we feel this life is really a misery. I have come here to give you a message that human life once enlightened is the highest life in the whole universe. It is no use describing this mechanical thing that you see here (it seems as if Shri Mataji is pointing towards the subtle system chart which is not visible) Best thing is that you take your realization, You feel this divine power and then you know yourself what this mechanism is and what's the technique. As the kundalini rises, she passes through subtle centres which cater to your physical, emotional, and mental side. and ultimately it makes your spirit shine into your attention. And then this spirit which is in your attention, makes your attention so powerful that wherever you put your attention it acts, acts for benevolence for your being, for your fellow being, and for the whole world. It acts in such a way that it understands everything, it knows everything, and it also has the trick, how to work it out. And the Spirit is a collective being within us. Like the sun can reflect on everything but if the reflector is like a stone, it doesn't show it's reflection. But once if you are realized, then you start reflecting the Spirit and all the qualities of the Spirit start manifesting by itself through you. The first quality of the Spirit is that you become collectively conscious. That means your awareness widens, you see other dimensions by which you can feel on your fingertips your centres and centres of others. If only you know how to correct these centres then you can help yourself and you can help everyone. Spirit is the source of peace. Even if we talk of peace, people have foundations of peace but there is no peace within themselves. So, a person who is guided by the spirit emits, emits peace. And Spirit is the source of power. You become so powerful that no habit can overpower you. I have seen people giving up drugs and alcoholism overnight. Spirit is the source of wisdom. Even small children who sometimes you find are very difficult and troublesome and misguided by schools, once they get you enlightened they become extremely wise children. The sense of respect comes to them because they respect themselves. The Spirit is the source of knowledge. Whatever knowledge we have about anything is very superficial. Once I was travelling in Kashmir and I felt tremendous vibrations of this divine power. And I knew there was somebody who must have lived here who must be a great man. So, I asked the driver to take me to the way from where the vibrations were coming. And guess what? There was complete wilderness throughout. and very poor people living there. I asked them is there any saint who lived here? They said no, but there is a little thing kept here! One hair of Hazrat Mohammed Saheb!! Now I got it five miles away! But whatever knowledge we have through self-realization is the absolute, real knowledge. Otherwise, the way people follow Mohammad saheb, we are surprised how can they be. The way they follow Christianity you can't believe. The way they follow Hinduism you can't believe that they have any faith in something good. They are all capable of doing any kind of bad thing or committing any kind of sins, all of them. So, they have no knowledge. They are blind. Unless and until your eyes are opened out and you see the knowledge, if you believe in anything it's blind faith. And blind faith leads you to destruction. It becomes like an addiction and the person goes on destroying himself till the whole community is destroyed. So, whatever may be the human philosophies, ideologies, or anything, unless and until you have the sense of reality within you, you are following it blindly. But you all should be very knowledgeable. You all should know each and everything about yourself and others. You all can learn and understand the problems of our society and how to solve them. And you can judge yourself very well also because you can feel yourself. You can feel your centres. Today when I came, somebody told me, Mother! My agnya is catching very much! That means actually that I have become very egoistical, but he confesses and he says, Mother! Just clear this agnya and I'll be alright because I have got a headache with this! But without realization, if you tell somebody you have an ego he will hit you. So, when we say this is my hand, these are my feeling or this is my intelligence, we always say the relationship 'my' but what is I? That we don't know! That I is the Spirit! This starts manifesting, it has so many benevolent qualities that in one lecture I think I cannot describe them, but that's all potential within you. And if the divine power of love awakens it, you get what you want. So, we have to just say that we want to be the Spirit because this Kundalini is the power of pure desire because all other desires are impure. You want today to buy a car then you want to have a house. You go on like that. They are never satisfied. So, the pure desire is to be one with that Divine power and is only possible when you become the Spirit. Today I request you all to bring your questions tomorrow. I will try to answer because there are so many people, properly written down. But even if I answer your questions, it doesn't mean you'll get your realization, there is no guarantee. There is no lecturing necessary for raising the Kundalini because it's a living process. Like we don't lecture to the Mother Earth and seed when it has to sprout. So, this living process has to take place and happens spontaneously. So, Sahaj yoga means with you is 'sah', ' ja' means born, with you is born, is the right to have yoga, means union with this divine power. So, this is how it has to work out and this is the only thing that is going to transform the whole world. Now, we are working in forty nations and you'll be surprised what beautiful life Sahaj yogi have. They treat each other with such love, with such understanding and there is never a quarrel. If there is a person who is trying to exploit, he just gets out of Sahaj yoga, he is exposed. But then again he can work it out and come back. But when you ascend you have to be careful because the more you ascend the worst is to fall. So, let us have our self-realization and enjoy ourselves. Is it alright? (Audience applause while Shri Mataji smiles and bow to them) (Unclear) and some Germans have come here. Also, there are some English, some Indians, and Muslims. You can take out your ( the video is cut) And now put your right hand on your heart and close your eyes. Here you have to ask a very fundamental question to me. You can call me Shri Mataji or mother. Now, with full confidence, you ask a question three times to me. Mother! Am I the spirit? In your heart. Now, if you are the spirit then you are your master you are your guide. So, now please take down your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. We are working only on the left-hand side. Here, now you have to ask another question to me. Mother, am I my own master? three times. Again I am saying, I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it in your own freedom. So, now please take down your rights hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now here ask me six times, Mother! please give me pure knowledge! Six times because this centre has got six petals. When you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising upward. So, we have to nourish the upper chakras, centres with our self-confidence. So, now please put your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and say with full confidence over the centre, Mother! I am my own master! I am already told you that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these emotions, you are not this ego or conditionings. You are pure Spirit. So, now raise your right hand on your heart and here you have to say with full confidence twelve times, Mother! I am the Spirit! So, now raise your right hand on the corner of your neck and shoulder. All the divine power is the power of love, is the ocean of compassion. It is the ocean of knowledge and ocean of joy. It is the ocean of benedictions. So, you should not feel guilty at all because whatever mistakes you have committed can be easily dissolved completely, completely by this power of compassion and bliss. So, turn your head to your right and say sixteen times, Mother! I am not guilty at all! This is the one centre you have so please do not feel guilty. I told you that whether you forgive or you don't forgive you do not do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into the wrong hands and you torture yourself. Those who want to torture you are happy people while you go on suffering. So, please take your right hand on your forehead and put it across. Please press it on both the sides of your forehead and put down your head. Here you have to say from your heart, from your heart not how many times. Mother, I forgive everyone! In general, you have to forgive not to each and every person. Now please take your right hand at the back of your head and push back your head as far as possible on it. Now here you have to say for your own satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes say, Oh! all-pervading power if I have done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly please forgive me. Now you have to stretch your palm fully and put the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone area. Now, please bend down your head, new press your scalp by pushing out your fingers outwards. Please put down your head. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom. You have to ask for self-realization. I cannot force it on you. So, now you put your right hand on top of your fontanelle bone area properly and push back your fingers nicely and put down your head and now move your scalp slowly seven times clockwise by saying Mother, please give me my self-realization! Put down your head! Push back your fingers! Push back your fingers! Shri Mataji blows in the microphone seven times. Now, please take down your hands and put them towards me. Now watch me without thinking. Open your eyes and watch me without thinking. Now, please put your right hand towards me. And put down your head and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people will get it hot some people will get it cool. First, the heat has to go out. Now, also don't touch your head. Keep it away. Some people get it very far away from the head. Put down your head properly. Now, please put your left hand towards me and put down your head and see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, please put your right hand towards me again and see with your left hand if you are feeling the cool breeze. Bend your head! Please don't touch your head. Take it away from the head. Now, again with the left hand, you see if there is a cool breeze. Now, please raise both your hands towards the sky and push back your head like this. Now, ask me a question, one of the questions. Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost? Mother, is this the all-pervading power? Mother, is this the paramchaitnya? Ask any question three times. Put your head up like that. May God bless you! Thank you very much! (Unclear, a very huge crowd of the audience is seen with both their hands up in the air) Please come here tomorrow and I'll tell you how to protect yourself, how to know yourself, and how to know others. (Unclear)

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Feel The Cosmic Consciousness On Your Central Nervous System I bow to all the seekers of truth.At the very outset, we have to know that unless and until we know the absolute truth we cannot say what is good and what is bad for our benevolence. The truth is that you are at the human awareness. And at this level we cannot know the absolute truth. So we have to become the Spirit. To become the Spirit, is to become one with the absolute. Also, the knowledge of truth comes to us form the all-pervading power of love. This energy of love is a very subtle energy which looks after all the living work. For example, we see all these flowers here and we do not even think that these beautiful flowers have come out of a small little seed. We take all living work for granted. Because we cannot explain how it has worked out. Also at human level we cannot do any living work. Something that is dead like a tree, you can make a table and we think no end of our selves. Now from dead to dead we just transform the shapes [unclear]. Because we are not directly connected with the living power we cannot do any living work. All the problems of the world are because we are in ignorance and we have no light of the Spirit and between this all-pervading power. Now you are all sitting here supposing all the lights go off in darkness, you will not know how you will [unclear] to each other. You are all sitting here supposing all lights go off in darkness, you will not know what to each other. So to know about yourself, you have to enter inside. Your attention has to go inside. But it cannot, because your attention is all out. Now whatever I am telling you today you have to take it as scientist would take to some knowledge. First it is the hypothesis and then when you experience it then you have to accept it that really you are the Spirit as honest people. When this power within you which is called as Kundalini rises, she passes through six centres and pierces through your fontanelle bone area and you get actualization again I say its actualization of your Baptism. On her way, on her way, she nourishes the centres, she integrates them and then she pierces through. She is the reflection of the Primordial Mother. This Primordial Mother is your own reflection, your own Mother in yourself. She is reflected in you and she knows all about your past and all about your mistakes and weakness. She is the power of pure desire. All the other desires are impure. We want something, like say, we want a car, when we get the car but we are not satisfied we want to get the house. But the pure desire, whether you know or not is to become one with this all-pervading power. This power is the power of love and it understands everything and which knows everything and which organises cooperates everything. They call that as Cosmic consciousness. Some call earth as a ‘Rooh’ in Kuran. In the bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. And in Sanskrit it is called as Param Chaitanya. So now what we have the around us is this all-pervading power, which is so powerful and which loves us. And once you get connected with that power then all the time that energy starts flowing through you. By that you get completely physically cured of any diseases you have, because physical problems come when our centres are in imbalance. Either we go to the extremes of left or the right. As a result, our centres get exhausted. And thus we have problems of physical nature and of mental nature. Because of ignorance we have social problems, political problems and economic problems. Tomorrow I hope to tell you about each and every centre about how it affects us and how through Sahaja yoga we can achieve complete balance within ourselves. And how [unclear] and also when connected with this all-pervading power, we become completely protected, completely nourished, completely looked after. We are working out in forty nations, and the people who belong to all these countries come together as one collective unit. Because your Spirit is a collective being within you. That means once your Spirit comes in your attention, then you can feel your own centres within and you can feel centres of people outside. And also when you get your spiritual awakening then you feel the peace within yourself. Because Spirit is the source of peace. When the Spirit comes into your attention, your attention becomes very powerful. Wherever you place your attention it acts. It acts in such a miraculous manner that you are surprised how, just I have thought of it and it has worked, as if your desires are conveyed through your kundalini to this all pervading power, which is so efficient, just works it out. Now this Spirit is also the source of knowledge. Because it is a very penetrating source which gives you ideas and new knowledge about everything. For example, if there is somebody who is a cheat, and comes in a dress of somebody as if is a saint. Then you put your hands towards that person and if he is a cheat, immediately you will start feeling terrible heat, sometimes little blisters might come out for the time being and you will know that he is a cheat. Sitting down here you can find out about anyone who is dead also weather he was a realize soul or not. As if you become a Divine computer absolutely correct information comes in form. If you want to find out what a person suffering from, you can tie the eyes [unclear] and can ask a question what’s wrong with this gentleman, they will say the same thing. So there is no difference of opinion, because it is absolute knowledge. Even sitting down here you can think of some relation of yours and you can find out what’s the matter with that person on your fingertips. And if you know how to cure that person or how to help that person sitting here you can do it. Like the ether we don’t see, but through the ether the waves pass and we can see on the television anything that is manifested or broadcasted from somewhere. We can say this is subtle of the ether which thinks, which understands, which loves. But this love is unlimited coming all the time. Like the sap in the tree rises, goes to various parts of the tree, goes to the flower, goes to the fruit, goes to the leaves and comes back, gets detached. And if it gets attached to one flower because it likes it then the tree will be completely dead and also flower will be dead. So limited love is the death of love. So we become very enlarged in our temperament. An Indian poet says, when a drop becomes the sea, what can we say about it. So you become part and parcel of the whole. As this hand is the part and parcel of the whole body if something happens to this hand, this hand immediately helps, in the same way if something happens to some person, the whole force of Sahaja yogis turns to that person to help. So one has to realize that still that happening has to take place, only by saying that we are brothers and sisters it’s not going to happen. You should be happy to know that first time when I came to Russia, twenty-five Generals came on the way to give realization. Such love, and such kindness and such sweetness there is just waiting for us. So the last and the most beautiful thing about Spirit is that it is the source of joy. It is beyond the duality of happiness and unhappiness. It is pure joy. Normally those people who talk of spirituality are extremely serious people. How can they be, because Spirit is the source of joy. So one has to sing, one has to dance to express the joy. So now I think we can have a session of Kundalini awakening with all of you sitting here and I am sure most of you will get your self-realization. Tomorrow again I am going to come back. And I will explain to you many more things. But it is not the mental understanding that helps. The state is achieved beyond thought. That is the first state called as Thoughtless awareness. I must tell you that you cannot pay for it because it is a living process. Like a seed, you plant in the mother earth. You don’t pay anything to the mother earth. The quality of sprouting is built-in, in the seed, as well as the living process quality is in the mother earth. And there is no obligation for you because it is your own power. This is your own power which you receive, your own blessings and you become the Spirit. So I must say that I cannot force on you your self-realization. If those who do not want to have their self-realization should leave this [unclear]. It will hardly take about ten to fifteen minutes. It will have no bad effects she is your mother and as your mother took up all the challenges to give you birth, in the same way Kundalini takes all the trouble and she doesn’t trouble you at all. So first you achieve a state of thoughtless awareness and then you achieve a state called as doubtless awareness. And you get as a result of these powers, you are empowered to raise the kundalini of others, and to enlighten others, to cure others, to give peace to others. You become so dynamic, so compassionate and so knowledgeable. You get rid of all your fears and you become extremely active and creative at the same time very peaceful. You can get your realization at any age, age makes no difference. I am myself will be about 68 years of age but I am travelling and I do not feel tired or exhausted, I enjoy being with you all. I must say that Russia I found to be the most fertile land for sowing the seed of spirituality. While other countries are very conditioned because they were let loose, they were abandoned and they are so diseased.Like there is a country like America there are so many diseases now in such a high percentage that I shudder to see the destruction which is working from within. So many people have aids, they have a new disease called [unclear] disease, they have also drug problems, then violence, also schizophrenia, which is at least there are saying will be 60% in America will be soon. They are so busy and entangled in their own problems that they have no time to even think of their Spirit. It is like a tree, which is over developed and does not know the roots. And the roots are within yourself, within yourself which you have to find. Only I have to say one thing to you that you must have full faith in yourself and complete self-confidence, that it is going to work out for all you. So now we can have the Kundalini awakening programme. For that we two conditions to be fulfilled. The first condition is that you have to forgive the past, because the past does not exist anymore, its finished. And your future is not occurent it’s not existing anywhere. So we have to be in the present and the best way is to forgive yourself and know that you are not guilty at all of anything. You are not guilty because this is an idea in your head that you are guilty for this and you are guilty for that. This you must know that you are human beings and if you make mistakes, it’s all right, after all only human beings can make mistakes. In the sankrit language, animals are called as pashu, means they are under the bondage of this force, and so they never never never think they are making mistakes. Because human beings have got freedom to think, they start thinking that they have done this mistake and have done this mistake. But this freedom is very limited and in ignorance in doubts. Only when you have your full freedom you are completely in charge of yourself. You become your own master and nothing can dominate you, no habits, no addictions, no disease, nothing can dominate you. So, please do not feel guilty, because if you feel guilty, then centre of this side catches very badly. And this centre when caught up, the kundalini cannot pass through, plus you have a danger that you might get angina or another disease like spondylitis and many other diseases with this feeling of guilt. So please do not feel guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Because when you don’t forgive or you forgive you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. And you torture yourself. If you do not forgive then centre which is on the Optic Chiasma like this is completely closed. To open it you have to forgive. Otherwise the kundalini cannot rise. Russia is the centre of Agnya, the centre, in the universe. I know you all have suffered a lot, but now the time has come for you to achieve the blessings and so you better forgive everyone, everyone in general, not to think of one individual or two individuals. So two conditions, not to feel guilty and another is to forgive everyone in general. Now the third request, especially for Russians, that have full faith in yourself. Know that you are the greatest people for this work. And also you are the ones who are going to be the most powerful country very soon in every way. It is not the weapons that makes a country powerful, it’s the powerful human beings that makes a country great. So please have full faith in yourself. Now, at the very outset I have to request you to take out your shoes because it helps a lot to release the tension and also the Mother earth helps us. Now, raise your right hand to your heart, here you start [unclear] Now you have to ask me a very fundamental question, you can call me ‘Shri Mataji’ or you can call me ‘Mother’, “Mother am I the Spirit ?” ask this question three times please. If you are the Spirit, you are your guide, you are your master. Now take out your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here, again you ask me a question three times, “ Mother, am I my own master ?” I have already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So please now, put your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen in your left hand side. And ask six times, because this centre has got////12// six petals. “ Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” Six times please. As soon as you ask for your knowledge, your kundalini starts moving upwards. So now, we have to nourish our higher centres with our self-confidence. So raise your right in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. And here you say ten times, “ Mother, I am my own master, say it with full confidence. I have already told you that you are the pure Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this intellect. You are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings or this ego. But you are pure Spirit. So please raise your right hand on to your heart. And say it with full confidence. Twelve times, “ Mother, I am the Spirit” Now this Divine power of love is the ocean of knowledge and compassion. It is the ocean of joy and blessings. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you might commit as human beings, can be easily dissolved by the power of this forgiveness. So now please put your right hand on the corner of your neck and turn your head to your right. Take back your hand as far as possible, now here, with very great self-confidence you have to say sixteen times, “Mother, I am not guilty at all” Now , I have already told you that you have to forgive everyone in general. Not to think whom to forgive. In general you have to say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.”Because you forgive or you don’t forgive, you do not do anything. But if you don’t forgive you play into wrong hands. So it’s very important. And if you do not forgive then the centre won’t open and your kundalini won’t rise. So now please raise your hand on your forehead across and put it, put your head down and press it hard on to both the sides of your head. Here you have to say, “ Mother, I forgive everyone” not how many times but from your heart. Now, please take your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on it looking upward. Here you have to say, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction. “Oh! All pervading power, if I have done any mistakes, knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me. It’s not how many times, but from your heart you have to say that. Now stretch your hand, your palm outwardly and put the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head very important and press it hard with your fingers pushed outwards, press it hard. And now please move your scalp. Here again I cannot cross over your freedom, I respect it, so you have to say seven times, while moving your scalp slowly clockwise, “ Mother, please give me my self-realization”. And put down your head, see for yourself, put down your head. And see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. It may not be very cool, it may be hot, but it will become cooler. Now remember that don’t put your hand on top closer to it or far away from it [unclear]. Now please put the left hand towards me and bend your head and see for yourself if there is a cool or a hot breeze coming out of your head. Now, again put your right hand towards me. And now see for yourself, how the cool breeze is coming out of your head with your left hand, please put down your head. Now please [unclear] energy of love. “Mother, is this the cool breeze of the living energy of love”, “Mother, is this the living energy is this this the cool breeze which loves”. [Unclear ] And tomorrow again I will be here and we have a very good centre where you can learn about how to grow and how to use this power. Also you will know how to look after yourself, how to get cured. And how to give realizations to other people and to your children, to your family. Thus you work out your benevolence and the benevolence of this city and the benevolence of this country and the benevolence of the whole world. Tomorrow I hope I will be able to give you some photographs which have not yet arrived from England. And also tell you how to use them. May God Bless You!

Feel The Cosmic Consciousness On Your Central Nervous System I bow to all the seekers of truth.At the very outset, we have to know that unless and until we know the absolute truth we cannot say what is good and what is bad for our benevolence. The truth is that you are at the human awareness. And at this level we cannot know the absolute truth. So we have to become the Spirit. To become the Spirit, is to become one with the absolute. Also, the knowledge of truth comes to us form the all-pervading power of love. This energy of love is a very subtle energy which looks after all the living work. For example, we see all these flowers here and we do not even think that these beautiful flowers have come out of a small little seed. We take all living work for granted. Because we cannot explain how it has worked out. Also at human level we cannot do any living work. Something that is dead like a tree, you can make a table and we think no end of our selves. Now from dead to dead we just transform the shapes [unclear]. Because we are not directly connected with the living power we cannot do any living work. All the problems of the world are because we are in ignorance and we have no light of the Spirit and between this all-pervading power. Now you are all sitting here supposing all the lights go off in darkness, you will not know how you will [unclear] to each other. You are all sitting here supposing all lights go off in darkness, you will not know what to each other. So to know about yourself, you have to enter inside. Your attention has to go inside. But it cannot, because your attention is all out. Now whatever I am telling you today you have to take it as scientist would take to some knowledge. First it is the hypothesis and then when you experience it then you have to accept it that really you are the Spirit as honest people. When this power within you which is called as Kundalini rises, she passes through six centres and pierces through your fontanelle bone area and you get actualization again I say its actualization of your Baptism. On her way, on her way, she nourishes the centres, she integrates them and then she pierces through. She is the reflection of the Primordial Mother. This Primordial Mother is your own reflection, your own Mother in yourself. She is reflected in you and she knows all about your past and all about your mistakes and weakness. She is the power of pure desire. All the other desires are impure. We want something, like say, we want a car, when we get the car but we are not satisfied we want to get the house. But the pure desire, whether you know or not is to become one with this all-pervading power. This power is the power of love and it understands everything and which knows everything and which organises cooperates everything. They call that as Cosmic consciousness. Some call earth as a ‘Rooh’ in Kuran. In the bible it is called as the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost. And in Sanskrit it is called as Param Chaitanya. So now what we have the around us is this all-pervading power, which is so powerful and which loves us. And once you get connected with that power then all the time that energy starts flowing through you. By that you get completely physically cured of any diseases you have, because physical problems come when our centres are in imbalance. Either we go to the extremes of left or the right. As a result, our centres get exhausted. And thus we have problems of physical nature and of mental nature. Because of ignorance we have social problems, political problems and economic problems. Tomorrow I hope to tell you about each and every centre about how it affects us and how through Sahaja yoga we can achieve complete balance within ourselves. And how [unclear] and also when connected with this all-pervading power, we become completely protected, completely nourished, completely looked after. We are working out in forty nations, and the people who belong to all these countries come together as one collective unit. Because your Spirit is a collective being within you. That means once your Spirit comes in your attention, then you can feel your own centres within and you can feel centres of people outside. And also when you get your spiritual awakening then you feel the peace within yourself. Because Spirit is the source of peace. When the Spirit comes into your attention, your attention becomes very powerful. Wherever you place your attention it acts. It acts in such a miraculous manner that you are surprised how, just I have thought of it and it has worked, as if your desires are conveyed through your kundalini to this all pervading power, which is so efficient, just works it out. Now this Spirit is also the source of knowledge. Because it is a very penetrating source which gives you ideas and new knowledge about everything. For example, if there is somebody who is a cheat, and comes in a dress of somebody as if is a saint. Then you put your hands towards that person and if he is a cheat, immediately you will start feeling terrible heat, sometimes little blisters might come out for the time being and you will know that he is a cheat. Sitting down here you can find out about anyone who is dead also weather he was a realize soul or not. As if you become a Divine computer absolutely correct information comes in form. If you want to find out what a person suffering from, you can tie the eyes [unclear] and can ask a question what’s wrong with this gentleman, they will say the same thing. So there is no difference of opinion, because it is absolute knowledge. Even sitting down here you can think of some relation of yours and you can find out what’s the matter with that person on your fingertips. And if you know how to cure that person or how to help that person sitting here you can do it. Like the ether we don’t see, but through the ether the waves pass and we can see on the television anything that is manifested or broadcasted from somewhere. We can say this is subtle of the ether which thinks, which understands, which loves. But this love is unlimited coming all the time. Like the sap in the tree rises, goes to various parts of the tree, goes to the flower, goes to the fruit, goes to the leaves and comes back, gets detached. And if it gets attached to one flower because it likes it then the tree will be completely dead and also flower will be dead. So limited love is the death of love. So we become very enlarged in our temperament. An Indian poet says, when a drop becomes the sea, what can we say about it. So you become part and parcel of the whole. As this hand is the part and parcel of the whole body if something happens to this hand, this hand immediately helps, in the same way if something happens to some person, the whole force of Sahaja yogis turns to that person to help. So one has to realize that still that happening has to take place, only by saying that we are brothers and sisters it’s not going to happen. You should be happy to know that first time when I came to Russia, twenty-five Generals came on the way to give realization. Such love, and such kindness and such sweetness there is just waiting for us. So the last and the most beautiful thing about Spirit is that it is the source of joy. It is beyond the duality of happiness and unhappiness. It is pure joy. Normally those people who talk of spirituality are extremely serious people. How can they be, because Spirit is the source of joy. So one has to sing, one has to dance to express the joy. So now I think we can have a session of Kundalini awakening with all of you sitting here and I am sure most of you will get your self-realization. Tomorrow again I am going to come back. And I will explain to you many more things. But it is not the mental understanding that helps. The state is achieved beyond thought. That is the first state called as Thoughtless awareness. I must tell you that you cannot pay for it because it is a living process. Like a seed, you plant in the mother earth. You don’t pay anything to the mother earth. The quality of sprouting is built-in, in the seed, as well as the living process quality is in the mother earth. And there is no obligation for you because it is your own power. This is your own power which you receive, your own blessings and you become the Spirit. So I must say that I cannot force on you your self-realization. If those who do not want to have their self-realization should leave this [unclear]. It will hardly take about ten to fifteen minutes. It will have no bad effects she is your mother and as your mother took up all the challenges to give you birth, in the same way Kundalini takes all the trouble and she doesn’t trouble you at all. So first you achieve a state of thoughtless awareness and then you achieve a state called as doubtless awareness. And you get as a result of these powers, you are empowered to raise the kundalini of others, and to enlighten others, to cure others, to give peace to others. You become so dynamic, so compassionate and so knowledgeable. You get rid of all your fears and you become extremely active and creative at the same time very peaceful. You can get your realization at any age, age makes no difference. I am myself will be about 68 years of age but I am travelling and I do not feel tired or exhausted, I enjoy being with you all. I must say that Russia I found to be the most fertile land for sowing the seed of spirituality. While other countries are very conditioned because they were let loose, they were abandoned and they are so diseased.Like there is a country like America there are so many diseases now in such a high percentage that I shudder to see the destruction which is working from within. So many people have aids, they have a new disease called [unclear] disease, they have also drug problems, then violence, also schizophrenia, which is at least there are saying will be 60% in America will be soon. They are so busy and entangled in their own problems that they have no time to even think of their Spirit. It is like a tree, which is over developed and does not know the roots. And the roots are within yourself, within yourself which you have to find. Only I have to say one thing to you that you must have full faith in yourself and complete self-confidence, that it is going to work out for all you. So now we can have the Kundalini awakening programme. For that we two conditions to be fulfilled. The first condition is that you have to forgive the past, because the past does not exist anymore, its finished. And your future is not occurent it’s not existing anywhere. So we have to be in the present and the best way is to forgive yourself and know that you are not guilty at all of anything. You are not guilty because this is an idea in your head that you are guilty for this and you are guilty for that. This you must know that you are human beings and if you make mistakes, it’s all right, after all only human beings can make mistakes. In the sankrit language, animals are called as pashu, means they are under the bondage of this force, and so they never never never think they are making mistakes. Because human beings have got freedom to think, they start thinking that they have done this mistake and have done this mistake. But this freedom is very limited and in ignorance in doubts. Only when you have your full freedom you are completely in charge of yourself. You become your own master and nothing can dominate you, no habits, no addictions, no disease, nothing can dominate you. So, please do not feel guilty, because if you feel guilty, then centre of this side catches very badly. And this centre when caught up, the kundalini cannot pass through, plus you have a danger that you might get angina or another disease like spondylitis and many other diseases with this feeling of guilt. So please do not feel guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Because when you don’t forgive or you forgive you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. And you torture yourself. If you do not forgive then centre which is on the Optic Chiasma like this is completely closed. To open it you have to forgive. Otherwise the kundalini cannot rise. Russia is the centre of Agnya, the centre, in the universe. I know you all have suffered a lot, but now the time has come for you to achieve the blessings and so you better forgive everyone, everyone in general, not to think of one individual or two individuals. So two conditions, not to feel guilty and another is to forgive everyone in general. Now the third request, especially for Russians, that have full faith in yourself. Know that you are the greatest people for this work. And also you are the ones who are going to be the most powerful country very soon in every way. It is not the weapons that makes a country powerful, it’s the powerful human beings that makes a country great. So please have full faith in yourself. Now, at the very outset I have to request you to take out your shoes because it helps a lot to release the tension and also the Mother earth helps us. Now, raise your right hand to your heart, here you start [unclear] Now you have to ask me a very fundamental question, you can call me ‘Shri Mataji’ or you can call me ‘Mother’, “Mother am I the Spirit ?” ask this question three times please. If you are the Spirit, you are your guide, you are your master. Now take out your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here, again you ask me a question three times, “ Mother, am I my own master ?” I have already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So please now, put your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen in your left hand side. And ask six times, because this centre has got////12// six petals. “ Mother, please give me pure knowledge.” Six times please. As soon as you ask for your knowledge, your kundalini starts moving upwards. So now, we have to nourish our higher centres with our self-confidence. So raise your right in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. And here you say ten times, “ Mother, I am my own master, say it with full confidence. I have already told you that you are the pure Spirit. You are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this intellect. You are not these emotions and you are not these conditionings or this ego. But you are pure Spirit. So please raise your right hand on to your heart. And say it with full confidence. Twelve times, “ Mother, I am the Spirit” Now this Divine power of love is the ocean of knowledge and compassion. It is the ocean of joy and blessings. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you might commit as human beings, can be easily dissolved by the power of this forgiveness. So now please put your right hand on the corner of your neck and turn your head to your right. Take back your hand as far as possible, now here, with very great self-confidence you have to say sixteen times, “Mother, I am not guilty at all” Now , I have already told you that you have to forgive everyone in general. Not to think whom to forgive. In general you have to say, “Mother, I forgive everyone.”Because you forgive or you don’t forgive, you do not do anything. But if you don’t forgive you play into wrong hands. So it’s very important. And if you do not forgive then the centre won’t open and your kundalini won’t rise. So now please raise your hand on your forehead across and put it, put your head down and press it hard on to both the sides of your head. Here you have to say, “ Mother, I forgive everyone” not how many times but from your heart. Now, please take your hand on the back side of your head and push back your head on it looking upward. Here you have to say, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction. “Oh! All pervading power, if I have done any mistakes, knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me. It’s not how many times, but from your heart you have to say that. Now stretch your hand, your palm outwardly and put the centre of your palm on your fontanelle bone area, which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head very important and press it hard with your fingers pushed outwards, press it hard. And now please move your scalp. Here again I cannot cross over your freedom, I respect it, so you have to say seven times, while moving your scalp slowly clockwise, “ Mother, please give me my self-realization”. And put down your head, see for yourself, put down your head. And see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. It may not be very cool, it may be hot, but it will become cooler. Now remember that don’t put your hand on top closer to it or far away from it [unclear]. Now please put the left hand towards me and bend your head and see for yourself if there is a cool or a hot breeze coming out of your head. Now, again put your right hand towards me. And now see for yourself, how the cool breeze is coming out of your head with your left hand, please put down your head. Now please [unclear] energy of love. “Mother, is this the cool breeze of the living energy of love”, “Mother, is this the living energy is this this the cool breeze which loves”. [Unclear ] And tomorrow again I will be here and we have a very good centre where you can learn about how to grow and how to use this power. Also you will know how to look after yourself, how to get cured. And how to give realizations to other people and to your children, to your family. Thus you work out your benevolence and the benevolence of this city and the benevolence of this country and the benevolence of the whole world. Tomorrow I hope I will be able to give you some photographs which have not yet arrived from England. And also tell you how to use them. May God Bless You!

6/28/1990

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“Talk To Scientists,” Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), (Russia) ...one electromagnetic energy that you have, what we call as a ‘prana’ - means all the energy from five elements. It has the energy by which we are today human beings from amoeba. And it has the energy which creates desires within us. It has the energy that can cure us and redeems us. And it has the energy that can give us powers so we can do living work. Sahaj Yoga is with that energy, which is in totality, complete consciousness. And it is a special time today, or you can say in modern times, that there are so many people who are trying to think beyond. We can say it is meta-modernism. And that is something which shows the wisdom of people who understand that we have to go beyond. And they are not satisfied with what they are but they have to go beyond. And there are so many who feel that their awareness is to be expanded. In this short time whatever was possible I have tried to give you a general picture about Sahaj Yoga. ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, and ‘ja’ is ‘born’. So it is born with you to have this union with that All-pervading Power, this right you have. It works on all living things, and also on energies. For example, you can improve your agriculture with Sahaj Yoga ten times more. You can improve your ecological problem through Sahaj Yog. You can make your animals much more healthier through Sahaj Yoga. And you yourself become so dynamic and so compassionate that a scientist becomes a person who works only with all the understanding of [the] limitations of science, and helps to create a new world. I must say, all the scientific discoveries have helped Sahaj Yoga greatly. Supposing there were no aeroplanes I would not have come to see you. If there were no microphones I could not have talked to you. And these microphones also carry vibrations. Even on television one can give Realisation to people. So all the discoveries you have made, have been of such a great help to Sahaj Yoga. We have developed the watches to save time. We save our time to waste it mostly. And after Self-realisation, we use it for our spiritual ascent and our spiritual growth through meditation. So I am very much thankful to you all scientists for creating these devices which have made it possible to spread Sahaj Yoga all over the world. The knowledge of Sahaj Yoga is very deep. Our civilisation has grown as a big tree, but knowledge of Sahaj Yoga is the knowledge of the roots. And if you do not have the knowledge of the roots, this great development will be one day under a shock. So it is important for us to know the knowledge of the roots if we have to survive and to enjoy the blessings of science. I am sorry, in this short time I cannot say much but I will be very happy to answer your questions if you have any. (Applause) As a scientist you have to understand everything, whatever you do. If somebody cures you and cannot explain how, then you should not accept it, as a scientist. But I know that, what happens. This is something which is not dealt with by scientists, so far. Only in the scriptures they have talked about the soul. Now [about the] soul, whatever I am telling you, again, you should accept it as a hypothesis. Now soul is a composition of the causal of five elements. It’s in an energy form and it’s placed on the backside of our spinal cord in seven loops. After Self-realisation you can even see the All-pervading Power like small commas shining like light. Also you see a kind of looped, circular things, looped ones and the Sahaj Yogis asked me, “What is this?” I told them these are dead souls. Now for example we talk of psychosomatic diseases. Also doctors have reached a certain point of understanding that most of the psychosomatic diseases are caused by something that comes from our collective subconscious. For example, cancer, they say, is triggered by a protein 53 and 58 - it’s a name [they've] given. And they say that it comes from the area which is built within us since our creation. Now, this area which is built within us is the area which we call as collective subconscious. So all the plants which have gone out of the circulation of evolution, or dead people who have gone out of the circulation are all existing in that area of collective subconscious. So a person who practices what we call as black magic, or mesmerism also, uses the dead souls which are around to captivate you. And people do mesmerise without knowing what effects it will have on human beings. Now, what happens [is] that if you put any such spirit - it can be without the knowledge of the person who is doing it, automatically - he becomes like a medium. And then this spirit lets out your system. Now recently they have found out in the science, scientific research, that we have all got receptors and in the receptors these seven loops that I am telling you about, are reflected exactly in the same way. I have seen pictures. If you see the picture, it’s the same that you see. And when, on these loops, if there is any effect then, what you call as the dopamine is created. Dopamine is a kind of a chemical which gives you epilepsy, can give you madness can give you all mental problems, also other virus and cancers - psychosomatic [diseases]. So I didn’t know that I would be talking to scientists, otherwise I would have brought these papers which I have got from America. So we had about ten people yesterday, who came from the same gentleman and were suffering from many diseases. Some had their hands stuck like that, they couldn’t walk; some children suddenly stopped talking, some got their eyes completely squinted, some got the brain paralysis. So what happens [is] that you can put one of them, or many of these, dead spirits on your back, on the soul, and they take over. And when they take over then they try to assert their personality. So for the time being one may feel elated because there are so many personalities acting. For a while. But after sometime that person becomes exhausted and a recluse. This is followed by many false gurus in India. We know about it very well because this black magic is too much in India. But mainly what one has to know, I would say [is] that as a Mother I would say what did you get out of it? Only temporary curing is not the aim of life. But you are to be empowered and you have to have full knowledge as to what you are going to be. In Sahaj Yoga you know all about the centres and it can be proved. You can even see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, this power which connects you to the mains. You can see also, sometimes, the rising of the Kundalini. You can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, the actualisation of it. And you can feel the All-pervading Power. You may be a doctor may not be a doctor, but you can give diagnosis of yourself, what centres are in trouble. There are three channels which look after the sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system, and you can control them. You can control your parasympathetic nervous system. You can raise the Kundalini of others. You can cure others. Yourself, you feel extremely peaceful, joyous and happy, because you develop a new dimension of collective consciousness, which Jung has written [about]. So you become completely knowledgeable like a laboratory. You know everything. It is not just, "It is happening. I don’t know how happening." Nothing of the kind. Everything can be explained. Everything becomes logical. So anything that just cures you is not sufficient. In India this art is very well developed but we know about it so much that we now don’t go to any false people. So now they are exported all to America. They are very gullible. Americans are very gullible people. And these people have only interest in money, they are money makers. Now it’s a living process. How can you pay for a living process? How much do we pay to Mother Earth for sprouting a seed? These people have all their interest in money and not in giving you the powers and the knowledge, because they haven’t got it. So first of all you must see what are the disciples like, what do they do, what age they are, what sort of a body they have. How do they talk? What is their health? Do they know about all this? Can they explain it? How is their own life? You can find out. They have to be honest and they have to be compassionate. So be careful! So many will come once you have lots of money, there will be a market here. So before anything happens, be careful. I am a Mother and you have asked me the question I have to tell you the truth. Eighteen years back I have told this but they would not listen to me. In America I told them about AIDS, I told them about yuppies disease is going to come, I told them about so many diseases they would not listen, and now they are down with it. So what can you do? If they don’t want to listen to you, you can’t help it. If they are bent upon their destruction then what can you do? You have all the freedom. Or somebody asked me, “How do you go to hell?” All types of questions they ask, I said, “Take two running jumps and you are there!” So it is like this: for getting your Realisation you have to first ask for it, I have to respect your freedom and it’s not a guarantee that you will get it at first shot. But if you are earnest it will work out and then once you are fully connected [you’ll have] no problems of any kind. I found Russians to be very wise people. And I feel that a day will come when Russians will be the most powerful people spiritually. The country is not powerful by weapons but by the powerful people it has. Thank you very much. (Applause) Just a minute. This question is still not answered. After Realisation, we become very sensible and satisfied people and we develop a balance. Then we realise that the machines are for us and we are not for machines. So we produce as much as we want and whatever is necessary we produce through machines or we produce through our hands. So a balance is created. As a result of that the pollution goes down. Now in Spain there are five motor factories. Now, on the road, you will find in a car only one person sitting, in every vehicle. Because so many cars are produced every day, cars are cheap so they buy a car and an ego there, “I have got a car!” The father must have one car, mother must have one car, the child must have one car, the grandmother must have one car. And they never meet each other: no rapport, no relationship. They live with their cars with their pretty girls and with their suitcases. So, after Realisation we become collective. There may be three cars but everybody would like to go together in one car. They want to live collectively because they enjoy each other. Now Sahaj Yoga is working in forty nations. And they want to live in Indian villages, and life is very spartan, I mean you cannot do anything there, but they enjoy having their baths in the flowing river, and living in the nature - absolutely very happy and comfortable. They wear few clothes of cotton or pure silk or cotton, whatever they can afford. Not too many things they have in their house like plastics, mountains and mountains, and they don’t know how to destroy it. And Sahaj Yogis don’t drink so only one glass is sufficient for one man. For drinking you have to have one separate [glass], another one, another one, another one. And too many choices because of ego. In the morning the mother will ask, “What will you have?” One child will say this, another this, another that. And if that is not in the fridge the child will start shouting. Formerly the mother used to cook for everyone the same thing, and everybody had to eat that and enjoy it. Because we have lost our collective enjoyment we have become like this. Now these entrepreneurs are also making [a] fool of us. First they will start that you should wear very tight pants: so you develop varicose veins. So they will say alright make pants with holes in it. So everybody starts wearing them! They go on changing fashions because their machines have to run. And we have no personality, we all want to be fashionable. What is the need? So we have piles of clothes. If you go to an English home and as soon as you enter in, all the piles will fall on you, first of all. So, this matter is only for one purpose: is for expressing your love. Like today we had a birthday, so we gave him a tea set. And I got some necklaces for all of you; and I enjoyed it very much, giving them. That’s the only advantage of matter, otherwise possessions are headaches. So, how ecological problem has come by [is] because of our greed and lust. After Sahaj Yoga you get everything beautiful and enjoy everything, because you feel that this has become a holy water now (pointing to Her glass of water). Everything becomes holy, auspicious. Only thing which are auspicious, which emit vibrations, Sahaj Yogis will have. All auspicious things are benevolent. So the ecological problem is solved! (Applause) (A lady asks a question in Russian. She then seems to ask another question) Which diseases can be cured by Sahaj Yoga? Shri Mataji: The [answer to the] first question is that some diseases can be cured through Sahaj Yoga - as you have seen, [by] raising of the Kundalini. Yesterday there was a lady with multiple sclerosis, and she couldn’t even stand up or even sit properly. And we raised her Kundalini, she had problems on her centres, we corrected the centres raised her Kundalini, gave her Realisation and she got alright. And then she still was remembering that she was sick so she was holding onto the chair. I said, “Now you get up and walk!” And she then started walking so fast, everybody saw. But most of them get cured. But some of them do not also. Now, first of all, you have to get your Self-realisation, then you have to come to our collective programme and then you have to master Sahaj Yog, then you can cure others. But Sahaj Yoga is not for curing, it is for Self-realisation. And when you get your Self-realisation, as a bi-product, then you get alright. Because when the Kundalini rises, She passes through these centres and nourishes them. Question: Shri Mataji, if there were some psychological research done relating to influence Sahaj Yoga on people? Is it possible to see the findings of this research? And may I get Your blessing to conduct such research in centre of Sahaj Yoga in Moscow? (break in recording) Shri Mataji: ...here accepted for research. But if you want to do it otherwise you can do it by using Sahaj Yoga methods to cure people who are suffering from psychosomatic diseases or depressions or anything, by treating them and then noting down their improvements. We have here a psychiatrist from England, who is here, and he can tell you about it. And we are all experimenting with many things. Is he here Dr. [Brian] Wells? Alright, you come and see him. He is now running seven hospitals in London. Now we have many doctors here and I think you should meet them, who have come from abroad; we should call them. Aap aaye ( Hindi: come). We have Dr. Talwar from Delhi. (applause) Now we have Dr Amjad Ali. He is from the UK (now Australia). And he’s a great student of medicine actually. He’s done a lot of studies in England. Then we have Dr Nigam from India. Then we have Dr. Sarah [Setchell]. Then we have got a diplomat from UN, Gregoire. Then in Russia we have got Dr. Bogdan [Shehovych]. Today is his Birthday. He has sacrificed his job in England and he is now here working it out for Russia. We hope to see some sense of scientists also for you from America. They’ll explain many more things to you. Also we’ll send you some papers that they have written. (Another two questions are asked by a man) First question translated as: How did you come to Sahaj Yoga, was it instantly? Is Sahaj Yoga is universal science, which includes Hatha, Raja and other yogas or it is some new principle? Shri Mataji: I should say I was born with this knowledge. The second question is about all other yogas. Now Hatha yoga is meaning ‘ha’ and ‘tha’ meaning the sun and the moon, both lines, both energies. But in modern times the Hatha Yoga they are practising is only of one side. Moreover the one who started Hatha Yoga was known as Patanjali. So thousands of years back he’s written a book so big as that, so thick. (Mother stretches out her hand to show the thickness). In that he has written that there are ashtangas, there are eight folds of yoga, eight aspects, spiritual paths. Out of that yama, niyama is the one which is just a wee bit, yama niyama, is the control and the laws. And out of that very wee bit are the exercises. Now we also use those exercises. But later on, throughout, he has talked about Sahaj Yoga. First you get thoughtless awareness and then doubtless awareness. In those days they used to only have one or two disciples who cleansed all their centres and then raised their Kundalini; and it could take years together. But now in the Sahaj Yoga, today, I have evolved a method by which first you raise the Kundalini somehow, and in that little light - give them little light - they see what’s the problem with them. And just tell them how to correct, so they can correct their own problems. In those days people have no time, and people are very obstinate also. So, now supposing there’s darkness and you are holding a snake in your hand and I say, “Now there’s a snake in your hand.” You won’t listen to me, you won’t throw it away till it bites you. You will say, “It’s a rope!” So best thing is to put a little light, so you see the snake, and throw it away yourself. This is today’s Sahaj Yoga. But it’s the same. What he (Patanjali) achieved after so many years you can achieve it yourself in a very short time. And also, as we have developed speed, I think Kundalini has also developed speed. We call this as ‘jet’ times and the Kundalini is also a jet Kundalini. I am myself surprised. It works en masse. Yesterday there were ten thousand people and I think 95% of people got Realisation. But we do tell you exercises. When the Kundalini rises, then we tell you, if there is any physical problem, what exercises to be done. It’s all scientific. But these days, the way people do Hatha Yoga, they just take all the medicines from the medicine box without knowing what is to be taken, without any discretion. Now another is Raja Yoga: I went down to California and I saw some doctors whom I knew who had cut their thread under the tongue; and they told me that they had to cut it to do a thing called khechari, to take back the tongue, to raise the Kundalini. So now when the Kundalini rises it is like the ignition of a car. And when the car is ignited all the machinery works by itself, you don’t have to do anything. So what they do is to put back the tongue thinking [that] by doing that the Kundalini will rise. And poor things now can’t speak, can’t eat; very difficult. So it is like moving the wheels without starting the car, will it move? It’s all artificial. Nobody gets Realisation in that, because it’s a living process. Now there’s “Integral Yoga” - that is all mental. Talking about yoga how can you get your Realisation? Supposing if you talk to the Mother Earth will she give us flowers? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk - that’s all! People get fed up with their talks: books after books like this, so many (Mother stretches out her arms to measure). So far I have not written any book for the same reason. Then we have another one is Transcendental Meditation. That is the worst of all. We had four people from Transcendental: the man was the director of a ‘Flying Foundation’ in Scotland (break in recording)...[three hundred pounds] to get a mantra. And the mantras were told in secret and the mantras were rare, funny ones: ‘inga’, ‘pinga’, ‘tinga’! It has no meaning, it is not Sanskrit, it has no meaning. But it has [a] funny meaning also. ‘Inga’ means the scorpion’s bite. And ‘pinga’ means, when you get possessed you go round and round like that, that is pinga. And ‘tinga’ means when you show [your thumb] like this to someone. Three hundred pounds (£300) for that! And six thousand pounds for flying halfway. What a stupidity! What is the need to fly halfway? You already have traffic jams! Then they were given, to drink, the water which boiled potatoes, for six days. Then the rind (skin) of potato. And the last day was given the potatoes to eat. But this director, his wife, his daughter and a deputy director all got epilepsy. So they came to meet me. Luckily my husband had gone on a tour, so they stayed in my house. And with my treatment they got cured. They had lost all their money. This man was a diamond merchant, he had lost all his money. His wife was a granddaughter of a duke, she had lost everything. What is this lady doing all the time? Please tell her to sit down! And the granddaughter, who was the granddaughter of a duke, and this man, became bankrupt. So then the director and the deputy director became bankrupt. And he’s now gone to South Africa; he’s writing a book. The name of the book is, “How we were befooled”. This is TM. And now they are bringing Ayurveda - TM is bringing Ayurveda. They are marketing it now, marketing it. There is no need for them to market it: anybody can take to Ayurveda. But for Ayurveda, you cannot do it here. You have to go to India because the herbs that are used for curing you, cannot grow here. So, just they are just trying to...I don’t know what are they up to. I just don’t know. They can’t bring Ayurveda here. I mean it is common sense: everybody knows in India that you can’t do Ayurveda anywhere else but in India. I think they will now give some sort of distilled water in the name of Ayurveda and take money, or maybe some water which has boiled the potatoes! One should know all these things. There’s another one who gives diamonds - supposed to do it - only to people who are very big cheats, in India. They are horrible people to whom he gives. They are cheats. If he is so good why doesn’t he solve our financial problem in India? All these people who go to him get heart trouble. I am telling you everything frankly. They will never talk against each other. Christ has said that the house of Satan will never speak against itself. They’ll never speak against each other. But they may speak against me. Ah, they do! They may speak against me and tell you that I must be a dark force or something, they might do. Because it is their business: they’ll be losing money when I am here! Alright? So, thank you very much.

“Talk To Scientists,” Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), (Russia) ...one electromagnetic energy that you have, what we call as a ‘prana’ - means all the energy from five elements. It has the energy by which we are today human beings from amoeba. And it has the energy which creates desires within us. It has the energy that can cure us and redeems us. And it has the energy that can give us powers so we can do living work. Sahaj Yoga is with that energy, which is in totality, complete consciousness. And it is a special time today, or you can say in modern times, that there are so many people who are trying to think beyond. We can say it is meta-modernism. And that is something which shows the wisdom of people who understand that we have to go beyond. And they are not satisfied with what they are but they have to go beyond. And there are so many who feel that their awareness is to be expanded. In this short time whatever was possible I have tried to give you a general picture about Sahaj Yoga. ‘Saha’ means ‘with’, and ‘ja’ is ‘born’. So it is born with you to have this union with that All-pervading Power, this right you have. It works on all living things, and also on energies. For example, you can improve your agriculture with Sahaj Yoga ten times more. You can improve your ecological problem through Sahaj Yog. You can make your animals much more healthier through Sahaj Yoga. And you yourself become so dynamic and so compassionate that a scientist becomes a person who works only with all the understanding of [the] limitations of science, and helps to create a new world. I must say, all the scientific discoveries have helped Sahaj Yoga greatly. Supposing there were no aeroplanes I would not have come to see you. If there were no microphones I could not have talked to you. And these microphones also carry vibrations. Even on television one can give Realisation to people. So all the discoveries you have made, have been of such a great help to Sahaj Yoga. We have developed the watches to save time. We save our time to waste it mostly. And after Self-realisation, we use it for our spiritual ascent and our spiritual growth through meditation. So I am very much thankful to you all scientists for creating these devices which have made it possible to spread Sahaj Yoga all over the world. The knowledge of Sahaj Yoga is very deep. Our civilisation has grown as a big tree, but knowledge of Sahaj Yoga is the knowledge of the roots. And if you do not have the knowledge of the roots, this great development will be one day under a shock. So it is important for us to know the knowledge of the roots if we have to survive and to enjoy the blessings of science. I am sorry, in this short time I cannot say much but I will be very happy to answer your questions if you have any. (Applause) As a scientist you have to understand everything, whatever you do. If somebody cures you and cannot explain how, then you should not accept it, as a scientist. But I know that, what happens. This is something which is not dealt with by scientists, so far. Only in the scriptures they have talked about the soul. Now [about the] soul, whatever I am telling you, again, you should accept it as a hypothesis. Now soul is a composition of the causal of five elements. It’s in an energy form and it’s placed on the backside of our spinal cord in seven loops. After Self-realisation you can even see the All-pervading Power like small commas shining like light. Also you see a kind of looped, circular things, looped ones and the Sahaj Yogis asked me, “What is this?” I told them these are dead souls. Now for example we talk of psychosomatic diseases. Also doctors have reached a certain point of understanding that most of the psychosomatic diseases are caused by something that comes from our collective subconscious. For example, cancer, they say, is triggered by a protein 53 and 58 - it’s a name [they've] given. And they say that it comes from the area which is built within us since our creation. Now, this area which is built within us is the area which we call as collective subconscious. So all the plants which have gone out of the circulation of evolution, or dead people who have gone out of the circulation are all existing in that area of collective subconscious. So a person who practices what we call as black magic, or mesmerism also, uses the dead souls which are around to captivate you. And people do mesmerise without knowing what effects it will have on human beings. Now, what happens [is] that if you put any such spirit - it can be without the knowledge of the person who is doing it, automatically - he becomes like a medium. And then this spirit lets out your system. Now recently they have found out in the science, scientific research, that we have all got receptors and in the receptors these seven loops that I am telling you about, are reflected exactly in the same way. I have seen pictures. If you see the picture, it’s the same that you see. And when, on these loops, if there is any effect then, what you call as the dopamine is created. Dopamine is a kind of a chemical which gives you epilepsy, can give you madness can give you all mental problems, also other virus and cancers - psychosomatic [diseases]. So I didn’t know that I would be talking to scientists, otherwise I would have brought these papers which I have got from America. So we had about ten people yesterday, who came from the same gentleman and were suffering from many diseases. Some had their hands stuck like that, they couldn’t walk; some children suddenly stopped talking, some got their eyes completely squinted, some got the brain paralysis. So what happens [is] that you can put one of them, or many of these, dead spirits on your back, on the soul, and they take over. And when they take over then they try to assert their personality. So for the time being one may feel elated because there are so many personalities acting. For a while. But after sometime that person becomes exhausted and a recluse. This is followed by many false gurus in India. We know about it very well because this black magic is too much in India. But mainly what one has to know, I would say [is] that as a Mother I would say what did you get out of it? Only temporary curing is not the aim of life. But you are to be empowered and you have to have full knowledge as to what you are going to be. In Sahaj Yoga you know all about the centres and it can be proved. You can even see with your naked eyes the pulsation of the Kundalini, this power which connects you to the mains. You can see also, sometimes, the rising of the Kundalini. You can feel the cool breeze coming out of your head, the actualisation of it. And you can feel the All-pervading Power. You may be a doctor may not be a doctor, but you can give diagnosis of yourself, what centres are in trouble. There are three channels which look after the sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system, and you can control them. You can control your parasympathetic nervous system. You can raise the Kundalini of others. You can cure others. Yourself, you feel extremely peaceful, joyous and happy, because you develop a new dimension of collective consciousness, which Jung has written [about]. So you become completely knowledgeable like a laboratory. You know everything. It is not just, "It is happening. I don’t know how happening." Nothing of the kind. Everything can be explained. Everything becomes logical. So anything that just cures you is not sufficient. In India this art is very well developed but we know about it so much that we now don’t go to any false people. So now they are exported all to America. They are very gullible. Americans are very gullible people. And these people have only interest in money, they are money makers. Now it’s a living process. How can you pay for a living process? How much do we pay to Mother Earth for sprouting a seed? These people have all their interest in money and not in giving you the powers and the knowledge, because they haven’t got it. So first of all you must see what are the disciples like, what do they do, what age they are, what sort of a body they have. How do they talk? What is their health? Do they know about all this? Can they explain it? How is their own life? You can find out. They have to be honest and they have to be compassionate. So be careful! So many will come once you have lots of money, there will be a market here. So before anything happens, be careful. I am a Mother and you have asked me the question I have to tell you the truth. Eighteen years back I have told this but they would not listen to me. In America I told them about AIDS, I told them about yuppies disease is going to come, I told them about so many diseases they would not listen, and now they are down with it. So what can you do? If they don’t want to listen to you, you can’t help it. If they are bent upon their destruction then what can you do? You have all the freedom. Or somebody asked me, “How do you go to hell?” All types of questions they ask, I said, “Take two running jumps and you are there!” So it is like this: for getting your Realisation you have to first ask for it, I have to respect your freedom and it’s not a guarantee that you will get it at first shot. But if you are earnest it will work out and then once you are fully connected [you’ll have] no problems of any kind. I found Russians to be very wise people. And I feel that a day will come when Russians will be the most powerful people spiritually. The country is not powerful by weapons but by the powerful people it has. Thank you very much. (Applause) Just a minute. This question is still not answered. After Realisation, we become very sensible and satisfied people and we develop a balance. Then we realise that the machines are for us and we are not for machines. So we produce as much as we want and whatever is necessary we produce through machines or we produce through our hands. So a balance is created. As a result of that the pollution goes down. Now in Spain there are five motor factories. Now, on the road, you will find in a car only one person sitting, in every vehicle. Because so many cars are produced every day, cars are cheap so they buy a car and an ego there, “I have got a car!” The father must have one car, mother must have one car, the child must have one car, the grandmother must have one car. And they never meet each other: no rapport, no relationship. They live with their cars with their pretty girls and with their suitcases. So, after Realisation we become collective. There may be three cars but everybody would like to go together in one car. They want to live collectively because they enjoy each other. Now Sahaj Yoga is working in forty nations. And they want to live in Indian villages, and life is very spartan, I mean you cannot do anything there, but they enjoy having their baths in the flowing river, and living in the nature - absolutely very happy and comfortable. They wear few clothes of cotton or pure silk or cotton, whatever they can afford. Not too many things they have in their house like plastics, mountains and mountains, and they don’t know how to destroy it. And Sahaj Yogis don’t drink so only one glass is sufficient for one man. For drinking you have to have one separate [glass], another one, another one, another one. And too many choices because of ego. In the morning the mother will ask, “What will you have?” One child will say this, another this, another that. And if that is not in the fridge the child will start shouting. Formerly the mother used to cook for everyone the same thing, and everybody had to eat that and enjoy it. Because we have lost our collective enjoyment we have become like this. Now these entrepreneurs are also making [a] fool of us. First they will start that you should wear very tight pants: so you develop varicose veins. So they will say alright make pants with holes in it. So everybody starts wearing them! They go on changing fashions because their machines have to run. And we have no personality, we all want to be fashionable. What is the need? So we have piles of clothes. If you go to an English home and as soon as you enter in, all the piles will fall on you, first of all. So, this matter is only for one purpose: is for expressing your love. Like today we had a birthday, so we gave him a tea set. And I got some necklaces for all of you; and I enjoyed it very much, giving them. That’s the only advantage of matter, otherwise possessions are headaches. So, how ecological problem has come by [is] because of our greed and lust. After Sahaj Yoga you get everything beautiful and enjoy everything, because you feel that this has become a holy water now (pointing to Her glass of water). Everything becomes holy, auspicious. Only thing which are auspicious, which emit vibrations, Sahaj Yogis will have. All auspicious things are benevolent. So the ecological problem is solved! (Applause) (A lady asks a question in Russian. She then seems to ask another question) Which diseases can be cured by Sahaj Yoga? Shri Mataji: The [answer to the] first question is that some diseases can be cured through Sahaj Yoga - as you have seen, [by] raising of the Kundalini. Yesterday there was a lady with multiple sclerosis, and she couldn’t even stand up or even sit properly. And we raised her Kundalini, she had problems on her centres, we corrected the centres raised her Kundalini, gave her Realisation and she got alright. And then she still was remembering that she was sick so she was holding onto the chair. I said, “Now you get up and walk!” And she then started walking so fast, everybody saw. But most of them get cured. But some of them do not also. Now, first of all, you have to get your Self-realisation, then you have to come to our collective programme and then you have to master Sahaj Yog, then you can cure others. But Sahaj Yoga is not for curing, it is for Self-realisation. And when you get your Self-realisation, as a bi-product, then you get alright. Because when the Kundalini rises, She passes through these centres and nourishes them. Question: Shri Mataji, if there were some psychological research done relating to influence Sahaj Yoga on people? Is it possible to see the findings of this research? And may I get Your blessing to conduct such research in centre of Sahaj Yoga in Moscow? (break in recording) Shri Mataji: ...here accepted for research. But if you want to do it otherwise you can do it by using Sahaj Yoga methods to cure people who are suffering from psychosomatic diseases or depressions or anything, by treating them and then noting down their improvements. We have here a psychiatrist from England, who is here, and he can tell you about it. And we are all experimenting with many things. Is he here Dr. [Brian] Wells? Alright, you come and see him. He is now running seven hospitals in London. Now we have many doctors here and I think you should meet them, who have come from abroad; we should call them. Aap aaye ( Hindi: come). We have Dr. Talwar from Delhi. (applause) Now we have Dr Amjad Ali. He is from the UK (now Australia). And he’s a great student of medicine actually. He’s done a lot of studies in England. Then we have Dr Nigam from India. Then we have Dr. Sarah [Setchell]. Then we have got a diplomat from UN, Gregoire. Then in Russia we have got Dr. Bogdan [Shehovych]. Today is his Birthday. He has sacrificed his job in England and he is now here working it out for Russia. We hope to see some sense of scientists also for you from America. They’ll explain many more things to you. Also we’ll send you some papers that they have written. (Another two questions are asked by a man) First question translated as: How did you come to Sahaj Yoga, was it instantly? Is Sahaj Yoga is universal science, which includes Hatha, Raja and other yogas or it is some new principle? Shri Mataji: I should say I was born with this knowledge. The second question is about all other yogas. Now Hatha yoga is meaning ‘ha’ and ‘tha’ meaning the sun and the moon, both lines, both energies. But in modern times the Hatha Yoga they are practising is only of one side. Moreover the one who started Hatha Yoga was known as Patanjali. So thousands of years back he’s written a book so big as that, so thick. (Mother stretches out her hand to show the thickness). In that he has written that there are ashtangas, there are eight folds of yoga, eight aspects, spiritual paths. Out of that yama, niyama is the one which is just a wee bit, yama niyama, is the control and the laws. And out of that very wee bit are the exercises. Now we also use those exercises. But later on, throughout, he has talked about Sahaj Yoga. First you get thoughtless awareness and then doubtless awareness. In those days they used to only have one or two disciples who cleansed all their centres and then raised their Kundalini; and it could take years together. But now in the Sahaj Yoga, today, I have evolved a method by which first you raise the Kundalini somehow, and in that little light - give them little light - they see what’s the problem with them. And just tell them how to correct, so they can correct their own problems. In those days people have no time, and people are very obstinate also. So, now supposing there’s darkness and you are holding a snake in your hand and I say, “Now there’s a snake in your hand.” You won’t listen to me, you won’t throw it away till it bites you. You will say, “It’s a rope!” So best thing is to put a little light, so you see the snake, and throw it away yourself. This is today’s Sahaj Yoga. But it’s the same. What he (Patanjali) achieved after so many years you can achieve it yourself in a very short time. And also, as we have developed speed, I think Kundalini has also developed speed. We call this as ‘jet’ times and the Kundalini is also a jet Kundalini. I am myself surprised. It works en masse. Yesterday there were ten thousand people and I think 95% of people got Realisation. But we do tell you exercises. When the Kundalini rises, then we tell you, if there is any physical problem, what exercises to be done. It’s all scientific. But these days, the way people do Hatha Yoga, they just take all the medicines from the medicine box without knowing what is to be taken, without any discretion. Now another is Raja Yoga: I went down to California and I saw some doctors whom I knew who had cut their thread under the tongue; and they told me that they had to cut it to do a thing called khechari, to take back the tongue, to raise the Kundalini. So now when the Kundalini rises it is like the ignition of a car. And when the car is ignited all the machinery works by itself, you don’t have to do anything. So what they do is to put back the tongue thinking [that] by doing that the Kundalini will rise. And poor things now can’t speak, can’t eat; very difficult. So it is like moving the wheels without starting the car, will it move? It’s all artificial. Nobody gets Realisation in that, because it’s a living process. Now there’s “Integral Yoga” - that is all mental. Talking about yoga how can you get your Realisation? Supposing if you talk to the Mother Earth will she give us flowers? Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk - that’s all! People get fed up with their talks: books after books like this, so many (Mother stretches out her arms to measure). So far I have not written any book for the same reason. Then we have another one is Transcendental Meditation. That is the worst of all. We had four people from Transcendental: the man was the director of a ‘Flying Foundation’ in Scotland (break in recording)...[three hundred pounds] to get a mantra. And the mantras were told in secret and the mantras were rare, funny ones: ‘inga’, ‘pinga’, ‘tinga’! It has no meaning, it is not Sanskrit, it has no meaning. But it has [a] funny meaning also. ‘Inga’ means the scorpion’s bite. And ‘pinga’ means, when you get possessed you go round and round like that, that is pinga. And ‘tinga’ means when you show [your thumb] like this to someone. Three hundred pounds (£300) for that! And six thousand pounds for flying halfway. What a stupidity! What is the need to fly halfway? You already have traffic jams! Then they were given, to drink, the water which boiled potatoes, for six days. Then the rind (skin) of potato. And the last day was given the potatoes to eat. But this director, his wife, his daughter and a deputy director all got epilepsy. So they came to meet me. Luckily my husband had gone on a tour, so they stayed in my house. And with my treatment they got cured. They had lost all their money. This man was a diamond merchant, he had lost all his money. His wife was a granddaughter of a duke, she had lost everything. What is this lady doing all the time? Please tell her to sit down! And the granddaughter, who was the granddaughter of a duke, and this man, became bankrupt. So then the director and the deputy director became bankrupt. And he’s now gone to South Africa; he’s writing a book. The name of the book is, “How we were befooled”. This is TM. And now they are bringing Ayurveda - TM is bringing Ayurveda. They are marketing it now, marketing it. There is no need for them to market it: anybody can take to Ayurveda. But for Ayurveda, you cannot do it here. You have to go to India because the herbs that are used for curing you, cannot grow here. So, just they are just trying to...I don’t know what are they up to. I just don’t know. They can’t bring Ayurveda here. I mean it is common sense: everybody knows in India that you can’t do Ayurveda anywhere else but in India. I think they will now give some sort of distilled water in the name of Ayurveda and take money, or maybe some water which has boiled the potatoes! One should know all these things. There’s another one who gives diamonds - supposed to do it - only to people who are very big cheats, in India. They are horrible people to whom he gives. They are cheats. If he is so good why doesn’t he solve our financial problem in India? All these people who go to him get heart trouble. I am telling you everything frankly. They will never talk against each other. Christ has said that the house of Satan will never speak against itself. They’ll never speak against each other. But they may speak against me. Ah, they do! They may speak against me and tell you that I must be a dark force or something, they might do. Because it is their business: they’ll be losing money when I am here! Alright? So, thank you very much.

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Public Program, Kiev, Ukraine, 1990-0629 I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset, we have to understand that at human awareness we cannot feel the truth. We have to become a subtler being to understand the absolute truth. Without that everything is just the mental projection and which takes us to extremes. Hence we get lost. But somehow if we come to know about the absolute truth, there will be no argument, there will be no quarrel, there will be no war. Now, the truth is that we are not this body, not his mind, not this intellect, nor these emotions or our conditionings or ego. But we pure spirit. And there is another truth that there exists a very subtle dynamic power which does all the living work. Every living work is done by that power. We cannot do any living work. Supposing a tree is dead then we make a ?? and we think that we have done a great work. But, this is a just a transformation from one dead to another dead. But it is not any real transformation. Leave alone, even we cannot create a grain of dust by ourselves. So whatever we are today is also very limited. We have so many physical, emotional, mental problems. We have no balance in our own behaviour. We started with science created atom bombs to destroy ourselves. We started with psychology created persons like Freud to get AIDS and all this horrible diseases. Even in mental attachment we have crossed all the limits of decency, decorum and honesty. And all the developing countries are suffering today because the people at the realm of affairs are making money from relations or their attachments. So the greed of people who are supposed to be democratic has reached such a stage that they have created piles and piles of nylon, piles and piles of used cars, piles and piles of waste material. These imbalances created problems within ourselves. We have the knowledge of this grown-up tree. We haven’t got the knowledge of the roots which is going to nourish the civilisation. This roots are within ourselves, within human beings. Now here we have shown what is the system that works it out our good health and our good mental conditions. But when these centres go out of balance then we develop all kinds of diseases, all mental problems, social problems, economic problems, spiritual problems. So it is very very important first of all to open your minds and to open your hearts to understand what I am going to tell you. You have to be open like scientist, because what I am telling can be treated as a hypothesis and if it is proved you have to accept. When you understand what is the matter with you, you can get it corrected also. But to understand it you must have light, you must see it for yourself. And if you can tell, know, how to correct it, you can correct your problems very easily. Now, there is a power waiting in the triangular bone or as sacrum, which we call as kundalini, kundal means coils. This is a force, or we can say energy within us who is a reflection of the primordial mother. We talk of a God as a father and as son, but what about the mother. It was deliberately avoided to talk about mother in Christian faith. But in the eastern religions, they all believe that there is a mother, Shakti, who does all the work and God Almighty is just a spectator. So this is the reflection of that primordial force, female force within us which we call as kundalini. And the spirit is the reflection of that male force which people call as God Almighty. But the religions as such that exists are now man-made. Like people do not follow Christ who said that you are to be born again, you have to know yourself, know thyself. They are just collecting money. Even in Islam is said that the resurrection time will come, your hands will speak. They are not looking for the resurrection at all, or Qiyamah is it called in the Torah. In every religion there’s the essence of this that you seek the eternal. Seek the eternal and treat it transitory with full understanding and its limitations. But none of them, whether it is Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, anything, they are just isms. They are ??. They are not seeking the eternal. Anybody can follow any religion. They can commit any sins. Nobody stops them because they Christians or Hindus. They are all just the same. No ??. Specially Christians, where Christ has said that thou shall not have adulterous eyes. If you go to western countries you find hardly anyone without adulterous eyes. May in India you will find but not in the western countries the eyes are full of adultery. I was also born in a Christian family. And I was surprised they were only busy collecting money, nothing else. Now, to say that you pray, what’s the use? You are not connected. Whom you are praying to? You are not connected! You have to get a connection of a telephone if you want to telephone to God. So we are praying in vain. And then we start ?? all these three incarnations that we have been praying, still we are sick, we have this problem, we have that problem. Well, I can tell you about India that the missionaries came with gun in a hand and bible in another hand and converted people under threats ?? under threats. The whole of North America and most of South America like Argentina, Chile all these places you cannot find on Red-Indian. All killed and finished! And the so-called Christians. Christ was the embodiment of love and compassion. Thank God Columbus went to America, otherwise we would have been finished in India because he was really coming to India. All these things are done in the name of God, and all of them are fighting with each other in the name of God. Divine is the ocean of truth and the ocean of love. So first we have to have connection with that all-pervading power. Unless and until that connection is established we cannot achieve any benevolence from that all-pervading power. When this power, kundalini rises she passes through six centres and pierces through the last one called, what you call the fontanelle bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Then you get a cool breeze coming out your head; the cool breeze of the holy ghost. This is the actualisation of baptism, actualisation. Not just talk talk talk. This is what Christ has said that you should be born again. You believe it or not makes no difference. Blind faith doesn't help. You have to have connection. And that is the most important thing. You are born as we say like an egg, close, and when resurrection takes place then you become a bird. That is our second birth. And a realised soul also is called as twice-born. So the time has come for all of us to get our self-realisation. As a result, we become a spirit. The spirit is the source of light and our attention gets enlightened. Such a person, whenever you put attention, the attention works for the benevolence. The person who is the spirit is the source of peace and joy. Because the nature of spirit is peace and joy. And such a person becomes empowered with the power of love by which he can do living work. He can raise kundalini of others. He can give realisation to others. And when the kundalini rises she nourishes all these centres giving us physical, mental, emotional cures. I was sorry to hear that in this area there are many patients suffering from leukaemia, the blood cancer. This can be cured very easily if kundalini can rise and can be fixed ?[up]? . Day before yesterday ?? there was a lady suffering from multiple sclerosis and she came to see me. I.. I didn’t do anything, just raised her kundalini. And she could not even sit, not walk, she was in very great pain. I raised her kundalini and fixed it up and I asked her “you are alright now, get up ! “. She could not believe. I said “Get up and walk. You have no disease”. She got up and started walking so fast that everybody started laughing. :) So, the one who has created this world is not doing ?? to destroy. I want to say that the time has come for us to be completely resurrected. Thisis the last judgement. And you will be judged by your own kundalini. And then once you get your self-realisation and you are absolutely settled down in Sahaja yoga, there is no question of any disease coming to you, no question of any problem coming to you. You are, first of all you have waters, so you are afraid of whales. Then you get on to the boat then you can watch the whales. But in the beginning the faith is not there, you still believe that you are in the water. Then you go to the shores and learn how to swim. Then you can save many people from drowning. So please have faith in yourself that you all could be resurrected and could be out of danger of everykind for ever. This is most important. All these countries Russia, Ukraine any place, these are special places of spiritual awakening I feel. Once you are spiritually strong you become rid of all of your ??, all of your diseases, everything and you become a strong personality. And it is not the weapons that makes the country strong, but, it is, it is only the powerful compassionate human beings that makes the country strong. You will see within very short time, that your country will become a very strong country. You must take to the Sahaja yoga first. And don’t run after false gurus and false people. You experience yourself, have faith in yourself and then grow. You have faith in me and so you are here. But have faith in yourself. I fee lyou all can grow into great personalities. And dont just come for getting cured. Today I will cure you of one disease, tomorrow you will get hold of another one. But if you get your self-realisation and if you get fixed today then you will be cured automatically. And you will be cured for ever because these are special times; and blossom time I cal it. So many flowers have become fruit. I am sure it will work out in Kieve and all of you will become great trees of the small seed that I mean sown. I am sorry I am here only for one day, I am ?? on a world tour and I cannot, could not give much time to Kiev. But, next time I hope to be her for much longer period. I bless you all from my heart. ?? is here to answer any question. But even if you get answer, it does not mean you will get your realisation. This is all a mental activity. You have to have your realisation. So it is really useless to ask questions. Your aim should be to have your self-realisation. Now this is a thing he has written that on one side we have to open our chakras and this and that and is saying it is very dangerous. Both things are correct. First if you are not a self-realised person, first your kundalini is not awakened, if you try to do all these things, is dangerous. Because ?? we don’t know what you are doing. As they do it in rajyog, so called rajyog, ?? and this hatha yog and all these things. ??. First get your kundalini rise, you get your light and in that light you can do it. Its written in the Vedas, vida means to know on your central nervous system; its like bodha. Now, it is ?? that first you get your self-realisation and after getting your self-realisation then you should know mantra, yantra and tantra. Mantra is the sounds that have to be used after getting realisation, again after getting realisation. Mantras are the sounds of the chantings we use for opening the centres and yantra means this mechanism (pointing towards chart). You must know this mechanism. And tantra, tantra means the technique.So, these things are to be known after you have got realisation. And to be practiced after that, not before that. Who say mother get rid of all kinds of diseases, we have, after my program, we call them here and there are doctors who encounter them. So we will now discuss the questions about the diseases. Q: ??? Shri Mataji: You see if you go round and round with your heads, you wouldn’t get your kundalini out there I am telling you. Now, don’t unnecessarily go into all this mental ??. Too much confusions they are. Q ?? Shri Mataji: You read all kinds of books and come and ask the questions, what’s the use? I am write in to ask questions because that shows you are free people, you are not mesmerised. That doesn’t mean go on asking stupid questions wasting your??. Q: ?? Shri Mataji: Hare Krishna has no power. But if you get connected then it has. Q. ?? Shri Mataji: Alright, is a good thing that somebody has asked that his should be clean ?? to kundalini. ??? . Sahaja yoga is the real Christianity, the real Islam, real Hinduism. Its not aritificial. So Christ resides in the agnya chakra, optic chasma, and he is door. Without him we cannot work out kundalini. You have to awaken Christ. Once you awaken Christ then he sucks in our two institutions which we call as our conditioning and our ego. Because he died for our sins. So you are the one who would be connected with Christ; not vby the ?? on your head who just puts water on your head and say you are baptised. Its not actualisation. So you become real Christians and not like others who can commit any sins, who can do any cruelty. Q ?? Shri Mataji: There is somebody who is doing foot soaking. Foot soaking definitely helps. Its like bathing. Soonce you start doing it will not be ??. Its very nice. As you brush your teeth, you soak your feet also before sleeping. Its good for you and you start enjoying it. After realisation the water element gets enlightened and sucks in all your problems. Even the mother earth suck in Q. Request give realisation. (from Zimbabwe) Shri Mataji: Thats good. So you all want the selfrealisatiion. For one or two persons we should not prolong. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. That means, that means you have to know that when you are sitting here you are not at all guilty of anything. You are not guilty of anything whatsoever. Not to feel guilty because it is a myth. You are human beings and if you make mistakes doesn’t matter. Because you are not false. It is ?? alright than you have made some mistakes, alright. You are ?? human. So feeling guilty is not at all a very healthy sign. Because this alpervading power is an ocean of forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you have committed it is quiet capable of dissolving it. So it is important , we call it, if you feel guilty this centre here between the shoulder and your neck gets spoilt or gets imbalanced. As a result of that you get diseases like spondylitis, angina and sometimes cancer also. So please forgive youselves and be pleasantly placed towards yourself. I would say as I love you, you have to love yourself. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone in general. Not have to think about any individual but just to forgive everyone in general. Because whether you forgive or don’t forgive you are not doing anything. But it is again another myth and you are carring on with it. Thus you play into the hands of very wrong people and torture yourself unnecessary. But it has much deeper significance. The centre of agnya as I showed you, is all completely blocked if you do not forgive, and the kundalini wouldnt rise through this constricted centre. But if you forgive it will open out. So now we have to understand that there are two powers within us, one is the power of desire and another one is the power of action. So we have to put our left hand towards me and put both the feet apart from each other, touching the mother earth. Those who are sitting on the ground are alright. There is room they can sit if they like there is room. Alright. Now, we have to use the right hand for the action on left hand side to nourish our centres. First we will show you how to do it. Dr. ?? will show you. Alright. So, put your left hand towards me symbolising your desire to have your selfrealisation. 57.24 And the right on the heart. In the heart resides the spirit. The seat of the spirit is on the fontanelle bone area, on top. Then we will move our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. And this is the centre of our mastery. Now take our hand in the lower portion of the abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of pure knowledge that manifests on our central nervous system and gives us a dimension of collective consciousness. By which we can know our centres as well as centres of others on our finger tips. Now raise your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Now on to your heart. Now we have to raise your hand in the corner of our neck and our sholder; like this from the front as back as possible. And turn your head to the right. Now we have to take our hand on the forehead accross. And press it on both the temples. And please bend your head fully. Now, this is the centre where we have to forgive everyone in general. Now please take your hand on the back side of your head and put your head up (look up). Thisis the centre for asking forgiveness from this all pervading power. Please stretch your palm fully. And your palm. Put down your head please and put the centre of you . Now please bend your head properly and push back your fingers. This is very important to have a full pressure on the scalp of your head. Now press it hard and move it slowly seven times. Very slowly seven times. Clock wise. Move the scalp. Thats all we have to do. Now we have to close our eyes. Put your left hand towards me and the right hand on your heart. Please put both your feet apart from each other. Now please close don’t open your eyes till I tell you. Now you have to say or you have to ask me a very fundamental question to me, you can call me Shri Mataji or you can call me mother. Ask this questio three times, “Mother Am I the Spirit ?” If you are the spirit you are the master, you are guide, you are light. So now please put your right hand in upper portion of the abdomen. Here ask another fundamental question, three times; “Mother am I my own master?” I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So now take your right hand in the lower portion of the abdomen and here you say “Mother please give me pure knowledge” say 6 times, as this centre has got 6 petals. As soon as you start saying and ask for pure knowledge, the kundalini starts moving upwards. So now we will nourish the higher centres.So now ?? . So now, raise your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen on he left hand side. And here please say 10 times “Mother I am my own master”. Say it with full confidence. I have already told you at the very outset that the truth is that you are the pure spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart, and say 12 times with full confidence “Mother I am the spirit”. This all-pervading divine power is the ocean of knowledge and truth. It is the ocean of compassion and bliss. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So you cannot do any mistakes which cannot be forgiven by this powerful ocena of forgiveness. Now put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Here with full confidence you have to say 16 times “Mother I am not guilty at all”. I have already told you that whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. It is a myth. But if you forgive then you play into wrong hands. And you toruture yourselves while the person who as trouble you is quiet happy. But don’t think of any individual, don’t think of any particular incidence. Now you raise your right hand on your forehead across and press it on both the temples. Now, put down your head. And here you have to say, from your heart, not how many times “Mother I forgive everyone“. Do it in general. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and press back your head as far as back a spossible. Here only for your satisfaction without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, you have to ask forgiveness from the all-pervading power “Oh All Pervading power please forgive me,if I have done any thing wrong knowingly or unknowingly.” Say it from your heart again, not ??. Now the last centre which is very important. An you have to do everything ??. Now please stretch your palm fully and put the centre of the palm on the top of your head, on the fontanelle bone area. The soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head nicely. Stretch back your fingers as far as possible. Put a pressure on your fontanelle bone area on your scalp. Here say, I cannot cross your freedom. I respect you. So your have to ask for your self-realisation. So now move your scalp clockwise with a pressure saying seven times “Mother please give me my self-realisation” moving clockwise seven times. Now please take down your hands. Please open your eyes. And put both the hands towards me, like this. Now put the right hand towards me and put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. It might be hot. You should forgive so it becomes cool. Now, please put left hand towards me, and see with the right hand if there is a cool breeze coming out. Now again the right hand. again the right hand towards, put down the head and see if there is a cool breeze coming or hot breeze coming out of your head. Now please put your hands towards the sky and look upwards. Ask this question three times . The whole of Kiev. So please attend all the programs we have for follow on. Now, people who are seeking should come slowly this side and there will be music. You can clap with it and enjoy. Plus be seated in your seats. We are going to give you photographs when you are sitting down.After getting the photograph please come here. After getting the photograph. Please be quiet. Please give photographs every where.Please be seated. Please be seated.

Public Program, Kiev, Ukraine, 1990-0629 I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset, we have to understand that at human awareness we cannot feel the truth. We have to become a subtler being to understand the absolute truth. Without that everything is just the mental projection and which takes us to extremes. Hence we get lost. But somehow if we come to know about the absolute truth, there will be no argument, there will be no quarrel, there will be no war. Now, the truth is that we are not this body, not his mind, not this intellect, nor these emotions or our conditionings or ego. But we pure spirit. And there is another truth that there exists a very subtle dynamic power which does all the living work. Every living work is done by that power. We cannot do any living work. Supposing a tree is dead then we make a ?? and we think that we have done a great work. But, this is a just a transformation from one dead to another dead. But it is not any real transformation. Leave alone, even we cannot create a grain of dust by ourselves. So whatever we are today is also very limited. We have so many physical, emotional, mental problems. We have no balance in our own behaviour. We started with science created atom bombs to destroy ourselves. We started with psychology created persons like Freud to get AIDS and all this horrible diseases. Even in mental attachment we have crossed all the limits of decency, decorum and honesty. And all the developing countries are suffering today because the people at the realm of affairs are making money from relations or their attachments. So the greed of people who are supposed to be democratic has reached such a stage that they have created piles and piles of nylon, piles and piles of used cars, piles and piles of waste material. These imbalances created problems within ourselves. We have the knowledge of this grown-up tree. We haven’t got the knowledge of the roots which is going to nourish the civilisation. This roots are within ourselves, within human beings. Now here we have shown what is the system that works it out our good health and our good mental conditions. But when these centres go out of balance then we develop all kinds of diseases, all mental problems, social problems, economic problems, spiritual problems. So it is very very important first of all to open your minds and to open your hearts to understand what I am going to tell you. You have to be open like scientist, because what I am telling can be treated as a hypothesis and if it is proved you have to accept. When you understand what is the matter with you, you can get it corrected also. But to understand it you must have light, you must see it for yourself. And if you can tell, know, how to correct it, you can correct your problems very easily. Now, there is a power waiting in the triangular bone or as sacrum, which we call as kundalini, kundal means coils. This is a force, or we can say energy within us who is a reflection of the primordial mother. We talk of a God as a father and as son, but what about the mother. It was deliberately avoided to talk about mother in Christian faith. But in the eastern religions, they all believe that there is a mother, Shakti, who does all the work and God Almighty is just a spectator. So this is the reflection of that primordial force, female force within us which we call as kundalini. And the spirit is the reflection of that male force which people call as God Almighty. But the religions as such that exists are now man-made. Like people do not follow Christ who said that you are to be born again, you have to know yourself, know thyself. They are just collecting money. Even in Islam is said that the resurrection time will come, your hands will speak. They are not looking for the resurrection at all, or Qiyamah is it called in the Torah. In every religion there’s the essence of this that you seek the eternal. Seek the eternal and treat it transitory with full understanding and its limitations. But none of them, whether it is Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism, anything, they are just isms. They are ??. They are not seeking the eternal. Anybody can follow any religion. They can commit any sins. Nobody stops them because they Christians or Hindus. They are all just the same. No ??. Specially Christians, where Christ has said that thou shall not have adulterous eyes. If you go to western countries you find hardly anyone without adulterous eyes. May in India you will find but not in the western countries the eyes are full of adultery. I was also born in a Christian family. And I was surprised they were only busy collecting money, nothing else. Now, to say that you pray, what’s the use? You are not connected. Whom you are praying to? You are not connected! You have to get a connection of a telephone if you want to telephone to God. So we are praying in vain. And then we start ?? all these three incarnations that we have been praying, still we are sick, we have this problem, we have that problem. Well, I can tell you about India that the missionaries came with gun in a hand and bible in another hand and converted people under threats ?? under threats. The whole of North America and most of South America like Argentina, Chile all these places you cannot find on Red-Indian. All killed and finished! And the so-called Christians. Christ was the embodiment of love and compassion. Thank God Columbus went to America, otherwise we would have been finished in India because he was really coming to India. All these things are done in the name of God, and all of them are fighting with each other in the name of God. Divine is the ocean of truth and the ocean of love. So first we have to have connection with that all-pervading power. Unless and until that connection is established we cannot achieve any benevolence from that all-pervading power. When this power, kundalini rises she passes through six centres and pierces through the last one called, what you call the fontanelle bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Then you get a cool breeze coming out your head; the cool breeze of the holy ghost. This is the actualisation of baptism, actualisation. Not just talk talk talk. This is what Christ has said that you should be born again. You believe it or not makes no difference. Blind faith doesn't help. You have to have connection. And that is the most important thing. You are born as we say like an egg, close, and when resurrection takes place then you become a bird. That is our second birth. And a realised soul also is called as twice-born. So the time has come for all of us to get our self-realisation. As a result, we become a spirit. The spirit is the source of light and our attention gets enlightened. Such a person, whenever you put attention, the attention works for the benevolence. The person who is the spirit is the source of peace and joy. Because the nature of spirit is peace and joy. And such a person becomes empowered with the power of love by which he can do living work. He can raise kundalini of others. He can give realisation to others. And when the kundalini rises she nourishes all these centres giving us physical, mental, emotional cures. I was sorry to hear that in this area there are many patients suffering from leukaemia, the blood cancer. This can be cured very easily if kundalini can rise and can be fixed ?[up]? . Day before yesterday ?? there was a lady suffering from multiple sclerosis and she came to see me. I.. I didn’t do anything, just raised her kundalini. And she could not even sit, not walk, she was in very great pain. I raised her kundalini and fixed it up and I asked her “you are alright now, get up ! “. She could not believe. I said “Get up and walk. You have no disease”. She got up and started walking so fast that everybody started laughing. :) So, the one who has created this world is not doing ?? to destroy. I want to say that the time has come for us to be completely resurrected. Thisis the last judgement. And you will be judged by your own kundalini. And then once you get your self-realisation and you are absolutely settled down in Sahaja yoga, there is no question of any disease coming to you, no question of any problem coming to you. You are, first of all you have waters, so you are afraid of whales. Then you get on to the boat then you can watch the whales. But in the beginning the faith is not there, you still believe that you are in the water. Then you go to the shores and learn how to swim. Then you can save many people from drowning. So please have faith in yourself that you all could be resurrected and could be out of danger of everykind for ever. This is most important. All these countries Russia, Ukraine any place, these are special places of spiritual awakening I feel. Once you are spiritually strong you become rid of all of your ??, all of your diseases, everything and you become a strong personality. And it is not the weapons that makes the country strong, but, it is, it is only the powerful compassionate human beings that makes the country strong. You will see within very short time, that your country will become a very strong country. You must take to the Sahaja yoga first. And don’t run after false gurus and false people. You experience yourself, have faith in yourself and then grow. You have faith in me and so you are here. But have faith in yourself. I fee lyou all can grow into great personalities. And dont just come for getting cured. Today I will cure you of one disease, tomorrow you will get hold of another one. But if you get your self-realisation and if you get fixed today then you will be cured automatically. And you will be cured for ever because these are special times; and blossom time I cal it. So many flowers have become fruit. I am sure it will work out in Kieve and all of you will become great trees of the small seed that I mean sown. I am sorry I am here only for one day, I am ?? on a world tour and I cannot, could not give much time to Kiev. But, next time I hope to be her for much longer period. I bless you all from my heart. ?? is here to answer any question. But even if you get answer, it does not mean you will get your realisation. This is all a mental activity. You have to have your realisation. So it is really useless to ask questions. Your aim should be to have your self-realisation. Now this is a thing he has written that on one side we have to open our chakras and this and that and is saying it is very dangerous. Both things are correct. First if you are not a self-realised person, first your kundalini is not awakened, if you try to do all these things, is dangerous. Because ?? we don’t know what you are doing. As they do it in rajyog, so called rajyog, ?? and this hatha yog and all these things. ??. First get your kundalini rise, you get your light and in that light you can do it. Its written in the Vedas, vida means to know on your central nervous system; its like bodha. Now, it is ?? that first you get your self-realisation and after getting your self-realisation then you should know mantra, yantra and tantra. Mantra is the sounds that have to be used after getting realisation, again after getting realisation. Mantras are the sounds of the chantings we use for opening the centres and yantra means this mechanism (pointing towards chart). You must know this mechanism. And tantra, tantra means the technique.So, these things are to be known after you have got realisation. And to be practiced after that, not before that. Who say mother get rid of all kinds of diseases, we have, after my program, we call them here and there are doctors who encounter them. So we will now discuss the questions about the diseases. Q: ??? Shri Mataji: You see if you go round and round with your heads, you wouldn’t get your kundalini out there I am telling you. Now, don’t unnecessarily go into all this mental ??. Too much confusions they are. Q ?? Shri Mataji: You read all kinds of books and come and ask the questions, what’s the use? I am write in to ask questions because that shows you are free people, you are not mesmerised. That doesn’t mean go on asking stupid questions wasting your??. Q: ?? Shri Mataji: Hare Krishna has no power. But if you get connected then it has. Q. ?? Shri Mataji: Alright, is a good thing that somebody has asked that his should be clean ?? to kundalini. ??? . Sahaja yoga is the real Christianity, the real Islam, real Hinduism. Its not aritificial. So Christ resides in the agnya chakra, optic chasma, and he is door. Without him we cannot work out kundalini. You have to awaken Christ. Once you awaken Christ then he sucks in our two institutions which we call as our conditioning and our ego. Because he died for our sins. So you are the one who would be connected with Christ; not vby the ?? on your head who just puts water on your head and say you are baptised. Its not actualisation. So you become real Christians and not like others who can commit any sins, who can do any cruelty. Q ?? Shri Mataji: There is somebody who is doing foot soaking. Foot soaking definitely helps. Its like bathing. Soonce you start doing it will not be ??. Its very nice. As you brush your teeth, you soak your feet also before sleeping. Its good for you and you start enjoying it. After realisation the water element gets enlightened and sucks in all your problems. Even the mother earth suck in Q. Request give realisation. (from Zimbabwe) Shri Mataji: Thats good. So you all want the selfrealisatiion. For one or two persons we should not prolong. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. That means, that means you have to know that when you are sitting here you are not at all guilty of anything. You are not guilty of anything whatsoever. Not to feel guilty because it is a myth. You are human beings and if you make mistakes doesn’t matter. Because you are not false. It is ?? alright than you have made some mistakes, alright. You are ?? human. So feeling guilty is not at all a very healthy sign. Because this alpervading power is an ocean of forgiveness. And whatever mistakes you have committed it is quiet capable of dissolving it. So it is important , we call it, if you feel guilty this centre here between the shoulder and your neck gets spoilt or gets imbalanced. As a result of that you get diseases like spondylitis, angina and sometimes cancer also. So please forgive youselves and be pleasantly placed towards yourself. I would say as I love you, you have to love yourself. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone in general. Not have to think about any individual but just to forgive everyone in general. Because whether you forgive or don’t forgive you are not doing anything. But it is again another myth and you are carring on with it. Thus you play into the hands of very wrong people and torture yourself unnecessary. But it has much deeper significance. The centre of agnya as I showed you, is all completely blocked if you do not forgive, and the kundalini wouldnt rise through this constricted centre. But if you forgive it will open out. So now we have to understand that there are two powers within us, one is the power of desire and another one is the power of action. So we have to put our left hand towards me and put both the feet apart from each other, touching the mother earth. Those who are sitting on the ground are alright. There is room they can sit if they like there is room. Alright. Now, we have to use the right hand for the action on left hand side to nourish our centres. First we will show you how to do it. Dr. ?? will show you. Alright. So, put your left hand towards me symbolising your desire to have your selfrealisation. 57.24 And the right on the heart. In the heart resides the spirit. The seat of the spirit is on the fontanelle bone area, on top. Then we will move our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. And this is the centre of our mastery. Now take our hand in the lower portion of the abdomen on the left hand side. This is the centre of pure knowledge that manifests on our central nervous system and gives us a dimension of collective consciousness. By which we can know our centres as well as centres of others on our finger tips. Now raise your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Now on to your heart. Now we have to raise your hand in the corner of our neck and our sholder; like this from the front as back as possible. And turn your head to the right. Now we have to take our hand on the forehead accross. And press it on both the temples. And please bend your head fully. Now, this is the centre where we have to forgive everyone in general. Now please take your hand on the back side of your head and put your head up (look up). Thisis the centre for asking forgiveness from this all pervading power. Please stretch your palm fully. And your palm. Put down your head please and put the centre of you . Now please bend your head properly and push back your fingers. This is very important to have a full pressure on the scalp of your head. Now press it hard and move it slowly seven times. Very slowly seven times. Clock wise. Move the scalp. Thats all we have to do. Now we have to close our eyes. Put your left hand towards me and the right hand on your heart. Please put both your feet apart from each other. Now please close don’t open your eyes till I tell you. Now you have to say or you have to ask me a very fundamental question to me, you can call me Shri Mataji or you can call me mother. Ask this questio three times, “Mother Am I the Spirit ?” If you are the spirit you are the master, you are guide, you are light. So now please put your right hand in upper portion of the abdomen. Here ask another fundamental question, three times; “Mother am I my own master?” I respect your freedom and I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So now take your right hand in the lower portion of the abdomen and here you say “Mother please give me pure knowledge” say 6 times, as this centre has got 6 petals. As soon as you start saying and ask for pure knowledge, the kundalini starts moving upwards. So now we will nourish the higher centres.So now ?? . So now, raise your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen on he left hand side. And here please say 10 times “Mother I am my own master”. Say it with full confidence. I have already told you at the very outset that the truth is that you are the pure spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart, and say 12 times with full confidence “Mother I am the spirit”. This all-pervading divine power is the ocean of knowledge and truth. It is the ocean of compassion and bliss. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So you cannot do any mistakes which cannot be forgiven by this powerful ocena of forgiveness. Now put your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Here with full confidence you have to say 16 times “Mother I am not guilty at all”. I have already told you that whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. It is a myth. But if you forgive then you play into wrong hands. And you toruture yourselves while the person who as trouble you is quiet happy. But don’t think of any individual, don’t think of any particular incidence. Now you raise your right hand on your forehead across and press it on both the temples. Now, put down your head. And here you have to say, from your heart, not how many times “Mother I forgive everyone“. Do it in general. Now take back your hand on the back side of your head and press back your head as far as back a spossible. Here only for your satisfaction without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, you have to ask forgiveness from the all-pervading power “Oh All Pervading power please forgive me,if I have done any thing wrong knowingly or unknowingly.” Say it from your heart again, not ??. Now the last centre which is very important. An you have to do everything ??. Now please stretch your palm fully and put the centre of the palm on the top of your head, on the fontanelle bone area. The soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head nicely. Stretch back your fingers as far as possible. Put a pressure on your fontanelle bone area on your scalp. Here say, I cannot cross your freedom. I respect you. So your have to ask for your self-realisation. So now move your scalp clockwise with a pressure saying seven times “Mother please give me my self-realisation” moving clockwise seven times. Now please take down your hands. Please open your eyes. And put both the hands towards me, like this. Now put the right hand towards me and put down your head and see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. It might be hot. You should forgive so it becomes cool. Now, please put left hand towards me, and see with the right hand if there is a cool breeze coming out. Now again the right hand. again the right hand towards, put down the head and see if there is a cool breeze coming or hot breeze coming out of your head. Now please put your hands towards the sky and look upwards. Ask this question three times . The whole of Kiev. So please attend all the programs we have for follow on. Now, people who are seeking should come slowly this side and there will be music. You can clap with it and enjoy. Plus be seated in your seats. We are going to give you photographs when you are sitting down.After getting the photograph please come here. After getting the photograph. Please be quiet. Please give photographs every where.Please be seated. Please be seated.

6/29/1990

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6/30/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=9951

Interview about Sickness

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[Interview] Interviewer: And one question still please, is sickness. For me, it is very difficult to understand, what is the sense of sickness for one who.. I don't know, what's the reason, that... and how it can be healed with Kundalini. Shri Mataji: You see, sickness comes to you as I told you, through our centers getting exhausted. As this is one center, all right, on the left side, left sympathetic, and right sympathetic, and they join together, this is the center. So, we are using the energy of this center, that is limited, for our purpose, anything. Supposing, I’ll give you an example of - a very good example - of one's Swadishthan chakra. It’s the second center, which looks after the aortic plexus - in the medical terminology. But it’s not complete, I mean it’s one of the parts. Now the work of the Swadishthan chakra, according to Sahaja Yoga, which has worked of course wonders with this theory, that it gives energy for the replacement of the brain cells. Because we never think about it. We are using the brain all the time we don’t think, how it is replaced, even within the medical science, they don’t think about it. So one of the work it has got, it moves here. And also it has to look after your liver, it has to look after your pancreas, it has to look after spleen, it has to look after your kidneys, it has to also look after the lower part of your large intestines. All right? Now. But all the time a person is thinking. These days every body thinks too much and very futuristic. As a result, it cannot pay attention to all other things. So, what happens, the first thing is affected, is the liver. Now, liver gets all the heat from the whole body, and eliminates it – it’s poison for the body you can say - eliminates it into the blood circulation, it goes into the blood. Now when, you see, liver is not attended to, or doesn’t get sufficient energy, starts working very hard, so it becomes overactive liver, and this heat cannot be removed, so the heat starts rising upward and downwards. As a result, your - these, what you call – the lungs are made as you know, they are made like a sponge. So it becomes coagulated and you develop asthma. We cure asthma through liver. Incurable. Then it descends down. When it descends down, it affects your kidneys. By that you get high blood pressure. Also, the another thing you get is constipation. Then your pancreas is neglected. When pancreas is neglected, you get diabetes. Only the people who are thinking, sitting, planning for future get diabetes, never a villager. In India, if you go to a village, they’ll say, "You have to put sugar as much, that the spoon must stand at right angles." They take so much sugar. Nobody gets diabetes, because they earn in the morning, nicely go home and sleep off. When we think and think and think of the future. So, the neglect of the pancreas gives you diabetes. Now we have many people who have cured of diabetes also. Then the third one is the worst, is the spleen, that the spleen is like a - you say rhythm, gives the rhythm. It’s a speedometer in us. And supposing you are eating the food and suddenly you have to run, then you get a pain, because it has to produce red blood corpuscles. But if you are always in an emergency in modern times, as you are, first of all you read the newspaper, you are under shock. Because newspaper must shock you, you see. So, then another shock, then another shock. Then in the traffic, you get a shock. So, this poor spleen doesn’t know, how to behave in this crazy world. And it becomes very crazy and vulnerable. And with the slightest shock, it can get blood cancer. I must tell you, that we have cured really blood cancer patients. Absolutely cured, completely cured, without any medicine or anything, absolutely cured. We have certificates and everything about them, and surprisingly, all of them were architects. This is one. Then, another thing as I told you, it affects the kidneys and it affects also the lower intestines. So, only one center, if you use it too much for one purpose, can give you all these troubles. And ultimately the heat might rise to your heart and you may have a massive heart attack. Specially, if young people, if they are drinking too much, if they are playing tennis or of a very - I mean, any game which is like football or tennis, drinking too much and thinking too much, they might get a massive heart attack. And die very young, at a very young age. And it’s absolutely fatal. If you get this attack at a young age, it’s fatal. You cannot save them. The other way round, if you are - if you have inactive organs also, you can have inactive, also due to that, also you get troubles. So, when you treat somebody on its roots, it’s very easy to solve the problem. See, supposing you have to treat a tree and you start treating all the leaves, it’s very difficult. But if you can go to the roots, it’s so easy, it’s simple. [Workshop] Seeker: My friend […] since half a year Shri Mataji: Come here, I’ll just cure it, just now. Sahaja Yogi: No, it’s a friend of him Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Yes, come along. What’s the problem. Wolfgang: The doctor said he has polyarthritis, but they are not sure. Shri Mataji: You see, doctors are all right, but what I’m saying, what happens to your hand? Let Me see. Seeker: It pains. My English is not so good, so I- Shri Mataji: All the time? Seeker: Some days better, some days not so good. I can’t close the finger but I could, I remember. Shri Mataji: Both the hands? What work you do? Wolfgang: He is creating plants and flowers out of silk. Sahaja Yogi: He’s the best pianist teacher. [Laughter.] Shri Mataji: Of real silk or artificial silk? Real silk or artificial silk, it’s the point. Seeker: Artificial. Shri Mataji: That’s it. That’s it. Artificial silk acts against us, you see. Seeker: Mother, I am not really working with that, so I don’t have it in the hand all the times. Shri Mataji: But how do you make them? Wolfgang: He is selling them. Shri Mataji: He must be touching them also quite a lot. You don’t make them, you don’t make them? All right, let Me see. How long you had this trouble? Seeker: Since half a year or a year. Even on the feet. Shri Mataji: Hum? Even on the feet. It’s a kind of an allergy, you have, you see? All these artificial things give allergy also. You must know that. They give allergy, they are very- some people are allergic to everything. They are allergic to nylons, to anything. Why don’t you sell the real flowers? Seeker: I also sell real flowers. Shri Mataji: That will solve the problem. Seeker: But I know another guy, he also has the same, and he is working in a factory for reactors. Shri Mataji: No, but he may not be sensitive, you see. You might be more sensitive. Some people have some allergies, some people don’t have. Depends on the virus in your being, you see. So, it’s all right. Somebody is allergic to something, somebody is allergic to something. He may not be. But if you are allergic to something, better not do it. That’s the point. How is his Vishuddhi? He’s all right? Put your hand on his Vishuddhi and see. Sit comfortably, be comfortable. You are better now, you will see. Are you not better? You improved now. Can you put it under my feet cause they are stronger than my hands. Vishuddhi. No, but he’ll have to give up this kind of a thing, you see. He should take to something natural, would be better. Is it Vishuddhi? It’s just Vishuddhi. Wolfgang: It’s Vishuddhi. Some people are allergic to something, some are allergic to something, it’s a fact. And one should just find out, what are you allergic to. But with Sahaja Yoga your allergies also disappear. Completely. Takes little time, but disappears. Now? Still there. Wolfgang: [Nods to say yes.] Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi is not [inaudible] Ah, quite a lot. His face is also red with Vishuddhi. It’s good. Did he smoke also? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Nothing, never? Look at now his face also. Now what is it? Heart. Wolfgang: Right heart. Shri Mataji: Right heart. Right heart? Sure? Hum, better? Vishuddhi is now better? Wolfgang: Vishuddhi is better. Shri Mataji: Right heart. Are you all feeling right heart? Another Sahaja Yogi: No, back-Agnya Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Hum? Another Sahaja Yogi: Strong back-Agnya. Shri Mataji: Left Agnya. Just put your hand on the Left Agnya. Wolfgang: Back-Agnya? [Shri Mataji nods to say yes.] Shri Mataji: He’s been to some Guru or somebody? He has been? [Nods to say yes.] Wolfgang: No. Shri Mataji: Never? The Left Agnya, how has he got this? Better. Now, see your hands. Are you feeling better now, see? Seeker: That’s the same. Shri Mataji: Same? Not changed? Sure? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s Vishuddhi, you see. Heart, just put in your hand on his heart. The doctors are saying it is arthritis. No, it’s just allergy. It’s just allergy. It’s others. It’s allergic condition, that’s all. Seeker: Coat. [Unsure] Shri Mataji: Hum? No, no, no, no. Not coat [unsure]. In the coat, these things fell off, you see. The joints are paining? Vishuddhi. Another Sahaja Yogi: Left Vishuddhi also. Shri Mataji: Left Vishuddhi also. Turn right to the left he will be all tight. You didn’t go to any Guru or anyone like that? Seeker: No, never. Shri Mataji: Never. Because with them also you develop allergies. But you never had them in childhood these allergies, never had? Seeker: Never. I did a lot of sports since two or three years ago. Shri Mataji: Sports? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: What sports? Seeker: Even tennis [inaudible]. Shri Mataji: Over, too much. He did too much of it. Even the tennis, you see, if you see the racket, its grip, there is a - sometimes it’s not leather. Seeker: It seems that as long as I played, I had no problems. When I stopped, yes. Shri Mataji: Then it started growing. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Hum. How is he? Sahaja Yogi: All left side. Shri Mataji: Then, put him right to the left. He says he has not been to any Guru, to anyone like that. We have to find out the reason for this problem. Whole left side is [inaudible] You’re sure, you’ve not been to anyone like that? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: One minute. It should work out. Wolfgang: Left side comes out. Shri Mataji: All right. [Shri Mataji is giving vibrations to his left palm.] Are you feeling the cool breeze now? You see, the Kundalini has to rise, to get you all right. If it doesn’t rise, it won’t work out, so we have to rise the Kundalini, that’s important. Wolfgang: He’s feeling the cool now. Feeling the cool now? Are you feeling the cool? You are. Then it’s all right. Now see on his head. Sahaja Yogi: It’s done. Shri Mataji: Good. Right to the left you put it, he’ll be all right. I’s better now? You see, touching now. Seeker: But it pains. Shri Mataji: Hum? It pains, bit it’s there. Wolfgang: I feel Left Swadishthan is cooling down. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan. That’s the thing, you see, he is saying "no " while he went, so what to do? Was there any emotional shock to you sometimes? Seeker: No. Wolfgang: Not consciously. Shri Mataji: The left side is quite a lot, I must say. Wolfgang: He had a divorce which was quite a shock. Shri Mataji: When? Wolfgang: Six years ago. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi is such a lot here, you see? You can see, it’s pulsating here. You can see it pulsating there. Let him come and have a look. [To the seeker] Just stay calm like that. You see the pulsation? That’s the Kundalini pulsating there. She’s trying to show the problem is there. It’s so clear-cut. Anybody can, you can come and have a look. She shows, you see, that this is the problem. It has to rise, you just put it on his neck, you see. Can you put his neck right? That’s the point. Let him let see. He’s straight, all right let’s just have a look. I’ll see now his Kundalini. It’s better now, it’s better. Just feel. Wolfgang: It’s much better. Shri Mataji: You just go on putting the right to the left and he’ll be all right. Hum, all right. Still, pulsation is there still. It has to go. Some sort of a virus it is, a kind of a virus. Put your hand on the Agnya, then it might rise this pulsation. On the Agnya, on the back-Agnya. You should sit comfortably, you sit like that [crossed legs], it’s better for us. If you put your hand there [on the ground] it’s better. [Shri Mataji has a candle in front of the seeker’s hand side] Are you feeling the heat of the thing? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No, that’s it. Another Sahaja Yogi: Completely different, the left side is almost cool. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan? You put something there, a candle or something, small candle. Keep it comfortable, you should be comfortable. Keep it like that. Still there. Vishuddhi, if you can clear out, this will clear but he has Swadishthana, it can’t go. You’ve not been to anyone like that? You been to catholic church? Seeker: I don’t know, no. Shri Mataji: Just try to remember. This is Vishuddhi. Wolfgang: Mooladhara, I feel very strong. Shri Mataji: Hum, that’s a minimum. Left Nabhi? Wolfgang: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthana, you’re seeing that yourself. You can raise his Kundalini by Mahakali ‘s mantra, it will all work out. It’s, badha it is. Now, it’s paining still? It pains? Equally the same or less? Now less. Better now? Sorry. Wolfgang: It’s lighter. Shri Mataji: His Agnya is releasing very much, I think. Yes, now. Left Nabhi. Wolfgang: Yes. Shri Mataji: Now, better? Yes, it’s better. You see, this is the one, which is also bad in you. It’s because of your wife, you see. Seeker: I always when I feel warm, it becomes better. In the morning, if I put it under hot water- Shri Mataji: It’s better. And that’s what you have to do, is to use the candle. Use the candle and they will tell you how to do it, how to use the candle. You see, you have to use the candle and it will be all right. Because whatever it is, you see, it’s a left side virus you have got, virus, infection. And for the virus you have to use the light. Light. Light is more than the heat. It’s not the heat, it’s the light that will help you a lot. They’ll tell you how to use it, it will go away. Improving now very much. That’s why it helps you. In the medical science they never use light as such, you see. For all these troubles, left-sided problems, we even cured cancer with candle, and – but takes time, but we cured cancer, plus all these psychosomatic diseases. We have to use only candles. The light has to be used. His left Nabhi is too much. Wolfgang: He is married again now, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: You see, now the candle also reacts. It reacts. You see how the candles is reacting. Better, yes. Better than before, much better, much better. Much better now. You see the thing is, that you have to work it out with the candle, they’ll tell you, it’s very simple. But you have to give little time to yourself, that’s all. Usual it’s the left-side, as we call it, is the virus, a kind of a virus in you, that has to go again away. Once the virus is cured, you are all right. But see, you are much better now. You see now. You see his hand has opened out. Seeker: It’s very good. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s very good, there is no pain also. But what you have to do now, is to really work it out. It will hardly take two, three times and you can be cleared of it. Just two, three times. Two, three times will be all right. It’s just a virus infection of what you call the allergic. Allergic conditions are nothing but viruses, allergic. And these viruses are the plants and things, that have gone out of the circulation of evolution. So, they live on the left-side, in the collective subconscious, you see, the area which was built in. And they attack you. Once they attack you, then medical cannot cure it, you see. It’s a psychosomatic trouble. And now in his case also same thing. Only the candle can cure it. With candle, they will tell you how to use. You have to use my photograph. All right? You’ll be all right. It’s nothing special, great. This hand, is it better? See, the other hand also. You see, other hand. Seeker: Here, I have only this one. [Right Agnya] Shri Mataji: This one is yes, Agnya, this one is. That is better. So, your left-side is problematic. Now better. But don’t sell these artificial things, because, you see, allergy could be from nylons, from anything, I mean people get with nylon – they get rushes [unsure], you know, so many allergies are there due to these artificial things. You ask any doctor, they’ll tell you, so many types of allergies are there. Endless, absolutely endless. Now, this is all right. Seeker: Yes. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. It’s all right now. And his Vishuddhi has improved. That’s good. So, you please see them and they’ll cure you completely, your feet, everything will be cured completely. Completely cured, there’s no problem. And doctors also know, that they cannot cure virus trouble, they know that, isn’t it? Virus is incurable, they know it very well. Do you know that cancer and all the psychosomatic troubles come from viruses. They are all viruses, different types, that’s all. And if you can just get your attention away from them, you are all right. Sahaja Yoga is that. If you move towards the left, you go to the collective subconscious and there are all those things, which have gone out of the circulation of evolution, out there. But if you can, some or other, pull out your attention, you get cured. Same on the right side also you can have problems. But for psychosomatic troubles only this candle treatment helps a lot. It’s a wonderful thing. Better now? Give him a lemon in his hand. Yes Sir, hold it tight. Sahaja Yogi: Like a tennis ball. [Laughter] I tell you it’s a very strenuous game, isn’t it? Tennis is horrible- it’s a very strenuous game, isn’t it? It’s a very strenuous game. You must give up at a point like Borgen has done. Borgen is a very sensible fellow, he gave it up at the right time, you see. Otherwise, it goes on and on like mad. But now only sixteen years old people are playing tennis, so nobody can stand that. Shri Mataji: All right. Sahaja Yogi: Jai Shri Mataji. The thing is- Shri Mataji: Any more question? Only thing, I hope you’ll give a good exposition to the whole thing so that people will be helped. We have to help them, you see. This is needed, that reality must be brought to them. That is the greatest work today, that they should know the reality, they should know that they all can be saved and things can work out, you can enjoy everything. And should be given a proper publicity. I think, the newspapers are the ones, who have the responsibility, very great responsibility. If they fail now, they’ll be blamed for it. Because that’s the communication, you see, that’s the only communication we have. Another is television. That’s another thing. In Russia they made a film out of Me, they made this, that, everything is so much, the communication is so much that even the villagers know Me, everybody knows Me. I’ll tell you a miracle. I had their visa and the visa is just a paper, you see? And it was lost, because I was travelling from places to places. When I went there, I had no visa with Me. The gentleman - I have a diplomatic passport. So, I started looking at it and there’s no visa, what to do? So, I gave it to the gentleman. I said, "Please, I have lost my visa somewhere, I don’t know when". Just smiled at Me. He opened it, he saw my photograph and all, and I don’t know what he did. He, some he telephoned somewhere. He smiled and he wrote a visa there only and gave it to Me. Can you believe it, such a thing? Sahaja Yogi: In Russia, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Russia! [Laughter] He himself wrote it, smiled at Me, he wrote it down my visa and gave it to Me. And Guido was so worried, because Guido there went first. He said, "I am her secretary ", he went inside, he was all right because it was a diplomatic passport. He said, "All right, secretary can go in". But he asked Me to stop. I said, "I’ve lost my visa and gave him the passport". And he wrote it down himself. Sahaja Yogi: It’s incredible for Russia. Shri Mataji: That’s why, there is a lot of freedom there. If you don’t do with the politics, it’s a lot of freedom. Lot of freedom, that way. Oh, but they are so kind, you have no idea. And they sent- the government sent Me a limousine. Sahaja Yogi: The government? Shri Mataji: Ah! And arranged my stay in a hotel, then in a boat. And they got 800 doctors, this you don’t know? There was a conference of 800 doctors from all over Russia. And I addressed to them for one and a half hour, then they said, “Now, give us Realization.” They all got Realization. They wanted the photographs. I said, I have no photograph of mine. So, they made Me stand, got a photographer, got my photograph. [Laughter] Really, I mean you won’t believe, it’s another world. They are all already Sahaja Yogis like that, the way they understand. It’s remarkable, I tell you. No doubting people, I said, “Who will translate Me?” There were ten people who got up. It’s like that. It’s tremendous, it is tremendous. Any number of you people can come, they’ll give you visas, they’ll look after you, you can stay, it’s absolutely in the best places. Whatever, any number of Sahaja Yogis. As long as you have the badge. [Laughter] Badge you have to have. Can you imagine such a country, the whole country? With what understanding! Tremendous. Newspapers, televisions, every village, everywhere they know Me. Some people had gone to purchase something, and they were wearing my badge. So, some villagers said – they got after them, "Give us the badges" you see. "We want Mother’s badge". So, they said, "We haven’t got it". They said, "No, you have to give it". So, they came back, took some badges and gave it to them, otherwise they would not spare them. Such love, I tell you. Such love. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, we can just pray, that this happens once also in Austria. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: If it will happen anywhere in Europe, it will be in Austria. That I know. Sahaja Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Very much because Austrians are, you see, something quite in a balance, between Germany and other European countries, they are quite in balance. If it ever happens in that big way, it will be in Austria, I know that. All right, thank you very much. Please have something to drink or eat or something, please. You give him the treatment, before he goes, all right?

[Interview] Interviewer: And one question still please, is sickness. For me, it is very difficult to understand, what is the sense of sickness for one who.. I don't know, what's the reason, that... and how it can be healed with Kundalini. Shri Mataji: You see, sickness comes to you as I told you, through our centers getting exhausted. As this is one center, all right, on the left side, left sympathetic, and right sympathetic, and they join together, this is the center. So, we are using the energy of this center, that is limited, for our purpose, anything. Supposing, I’ll give you an example of - a very good example - of one's Swadishthan chakra. It’s the second center, which looks after the aortic plexus - in the medical terminology. But it’s not complete, I mean it’s one of the parts. Now the work of the Swadishthan chakra, according to Sahaja Yoga, which has worked of course wonders with this theory, that it gives energy for the replacement of the brain cells. Because we never think about it. We are using the brain all the time we don’t think, how it is replaced, even within the medical science, they don’t think about it. So one of the work it has got, it moves here. And also it has to look after your liver, it has to look after your pancreas, it has to look after spleen, it has to look after your kidneys, it has to also look after the lower part of your large intestines. All right? Now. But all the time a person is thinking. These days every body thinks too much and very futuristic. As a result, it cannot pay attention to all other things. So, what happens, the first thing is affected, is the liver. Now, liver gets all the heat from the whole body, and eliminates it – it’s poison for the body you can say - eliminates it into the blood circulation, it goes into the blood. Now when, you see, liver is not attended to, or doesn’t get sufficient energy, starts working very hard, so it becomes overactive liver, and this heat cannot be removed, so the heat starts rising upward and downwards. As a result, your - these, what you call – the lungs are made as you know, they are made like a sponge. So it becomes coagulated and you develop asthma. We cure asthma through liver. Incurable. Then it descends down. When it descends down, it affects your kidneys. By that you get high blood pressure. Also, the another thing you get is constipation. Then your pancreas is neglected. When pancreas is neglected, you get diabetes. Only the people who are thinking, sitting, planning for future get diabetes, never a villager. In India, if you go to a village, they’ll say, "You have to put sugar as much, that the spoon must stand at right angles." They take so much sugar. Nobody gets diabetes, because they earn in the morning, nicely go home and sleep off. When we think and think and think of the future. So, the neglect of the pancreas gives you diabetes. Now we have many people who have cured of diabetes also. Then the third one is the worst, is the spleen, that the spleen is like a - you say rhythm, gives the rhythm. It’s a speedometer in us. And supposing you are eating the food and suddenly you have to run, then you get a pain, because it has to produce red blood corpuscles. But if you are always in an emergency in modern times, as you are, first of all you read the newspaper, you are under shock. Because newspaper must shock you, you see. So, then another shock, then another shock. Then in the traffic, you get a shock. So, this poor spleen doesn’t know, how to behave in this crazy world. And it becomes very crazy and vulnerable. And with the slightest shock, it can get blood cancer. I must tell you, that we have cured really blood cancer patients. Absolutely cured, completely cured, without any medicine or anything, absolutely cured. We have certificates and everything about them, and surprisingly, all of them were architects. This is one. Then, another thing as I told you, it affects the kidneys and it affects also the lower intestines. So, only one center, if you use it too much for one purpose, can give you all these troubles. And ultimately the heat might rise to your heart and you may have a massive heart attack. Specially, if young people, if they are drinking too much, if they are playing tennis or of a very - I mean, any game which is like football or tennis, drinking too much and thinking too much, they might get a massive heart attack. And die very young, at a very young age. And it’s absolutely fatal. If you get this attack at a young age, it’s fatal. You cannot save them. The other way round, if you are - if you have inactive organs also, you can have inactive, also due to that, also you get troubles. So, when you treat somebody on its roots, it’s very easy to solve the problem. See, supposing you have to treat a tree and you start treating all the leaves, it’s very difficult. But if you can go to the roots, it’s so easy, it’s simple. [Workshop] Seeker: My friend […] since half a year Shri Mataji: Come here, I’ll just cure it, just now. Sahaja Yogi: No, it’s a friend of him Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Yes, come along. What’s the problem. Wolfgang: The doctor said he has polyarthritis, but they are not sure. Shri Mataji: You see, doctors are all right, but what I’m saying, what happens to your hand? Let Me see. Seeker: It pains. My English is not so good, so I- Shri Mataji: All the time? Seeker: Some days better, some days not so good. I can’t close the finger but I could, I remember. Shri Mataji: Both the hands? What work you do? Wolfgang: He is creating plants and flowers out of silk. Sahaja Yogi: He’s the best pianist teacher. [Laughter.] Shri Mataji: Of real silk or artificial silk? Real silk or artificial silk, it’s the point. Seeker: Artificial. Shri Mataji: That’s it. That’s it. Artificial silk acts against us, you see. Seeker: Mother, I am not really working with that, so I don’t have it in the hand all the times. Shri Mataji: But how do you make them? Wolfgang: He is selling them. Shri Mataji: He must be touching them also quite a lot. You don’t make them, you don’t make them? All right, let Me see. How long you had this trouble? Seeker: Since half a year or a year. Even on the feet. Shri Mataji: Hum? Even on the feet. It’s a kind of an allergy, you have, you see? All these artificial things give allergy also. You must know that. They give allergy, they are very- some people are allergic to everything. They are allergic to nylons, to anything. Why don’t you sell the real flowers? Seeker: I also sell real flowers. Shri Mataji: That will solve the problem. Seeker: But I know another guy, he also has the same, and he is working in a factory for reactors. Shri Mataji: No, but he may not be sensitive, you see. You might be more sensitive. Some people have some allergies, some people don’t have. Depends on the virus in your being, you see. So, it’s all right. Somebody is allergic to something, somebody is allergic to something. He may not be. But if you are allergic to something, better not do it. That’s the point. How is his Vishuddhi? He’s all right? Put your hand on his Vishuddhi and see. Sit comfortably, be comfortable. You are better now, you will see. Are you not better? You improved now. Can you put it under my feet cause they are stronger than my hands. Vishuddhi. No, but he’ll have to give up this kind of a thing, you see. He should take to something natural, would be better. Is it Vishuddhi? It’s just Vishuddhi. Wolfgang: It’s Vishuddhi. Some people are allergic to something, some are allergic to something, it’s a fact. And one should just find out, what are you allergic to. But with Sahaja Yoga your allergies also disappear. Completely. Takes little time, but disappears. Now? Still there. Wolfgang: [Nods to say yes.] Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi is not [inaudible] Ah, quite a lot. His face is also red with Vishuddhi. It’s good. Did he smoke also? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: Nothing, never? Look at now his face also. Now what is it? Heart. Wolfgang: Right heart. Shri Mataji: Right heart. Right heart? Sure? Hum, better? Vishuddhi is now better? Wolfgang: Vishuddhi is better. Shri Mataji: Right heart. Are you all feeling right heart? Another Sahaja Yogi: No, back-Agnya Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Hum? Another Sahaja Yogi: Strong back-Agnya. Shri Mataji: Left Agnya. Just put your hand on the Left Agnya. Wolfgang: Back-Agnya? [Shri Mataji nods to say yes.] Shri Mataji: He’s been to some Guru or somebody? He has been? [Nods to say yes.] Wolfgang: No. Shri Mataji: Never? The Left Agnya, how has he got this? Better. Now, see your hands. Are you feeling better now, see? Seeker: That’s the same. Shri Mataji: Same? Not changed? Sure? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s Vishuddhi, you see. Heart, just put in your hand on his heart. The doctors are saying it is arthritis. No, it’s just allergy. It’s just allergy. It’s others. It’s allergic condition, that’s all. Seeker: Coat. [Unsure] Shri Mataji: Hum? No, no, no, no. Not coat [unsure]. In the coat, these things fell off, you see. The joints are paining? Vishuddhi. Another Sahaja Yogi: Left Vishuddhi also. Shri Mataji: Left Vishuddhi also. Turn right to the left he will be all tight. You didn’t go to any Guru or anyone like that? Seeker: No, never. Shri Mataji: Never. Because with them also you develop allergies. But you never had them in childhood these allergies, never had? Seeker: Never. I did a lot of sports since two or three years ago. Shri Mataji: Sports? Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: What sports? Seeker: Even tennis [inaudible]. Shri Mataji: Over, too much. He did too much of it. Even the tennis, you see, if you see the racket, its grip, there is a - sometimes it’s not leather. Seeker: It seems that as long as I played, I had no problems. When I stopped, yes. Shri Mataji: Then it started growing. Seeker: Yes. Shri Mataji: Hum. How is he? Sahaja Yogi: All left side. Shri Mataji: Then, put him right to the left. He says he has not been to any Guru, to anyone like that. We have to find out the reason for this problem. Whole left side is [inaudible] You’re sure, you’ve not been to anyone like that? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: One minute. It should work out. Wolfgang: Left side comes out. Shri Mataji: All right. [Shri Mataji is giving vibrations to his left palm.] Are you feeling the cool breeze now? You see, the Kundalini has to rise, to get you all right. If it doesn’t rise, it won’t work out, so we have to rise the Kundalini, that’s important. Wolfgang: He’s feeling the cool now. Feeling the cool now? Are you feeling the cool? You are. Then it’s all right. Now see on his head. Sahaja Yogi: It’s done. Shri Mataji: Good. Right to the left you put it, he’ll be all right. I’s better now? You see, touching now. Seeker: But it pains. Shri Mataji: Hum? It pains, bit it’s there. Wolfgang: I feel Left Swadishthan is cooling down. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan. That’s the thing, you see, he is saying "no " while he went, so what to do? Was there any emotional shock to you sometimes? Seeker: No. Wolfgang: Not consciously. Shri Mataji: The left side is quite a lot, I must say. Wolfgang: He had a divorce which was quite a shock. Shri Mataji: When? Wolfgang: Six years ago. Shri Mataji: Vishuddhi is such a lot here, you see? You can see, it’s pulsating here. You can see it pulsating there. Let him come and have a look. [To the seeker] Just stay calm like that. You see the pulsation? That’s the Kundalini pulsating there. She’s trying to show the problem is there. It’s so clear-cut. Anybody can, you can come and have a look. She shows, you see, that this is the problem. It has to rise, you just put it on his neck, you see. Can you put his neck right? That’s the point. Let him let see. He’s straight, all right let’s just have a look. I’ll see now his Kundalini. It’s better now, it’s better. Just feel. Wolfgang: It’s much better. Shri Mataji: You just go on putting the right to the left and he’ll be all right. Hum, all right. Still, pulsation is there still. It has to go. Some sort of a virus it is, a kind of a virus. Put your hand on the Agnya, then it might rise this pulsation. On the Agnya, on the back-Agnya. You should sit comfortably, you sit like that [crossed legs], it’s better for us. If you put your hand there [on the ground] it’s better. [Shri Mataji has a candle in front of the seeker’s hand side] Are you feeling the heat of the thing? Seeker: No. Shri Mataji: No, that’s it. Another Sahaja Yogi: Completely different, the left side is almost cool. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthan? You put something there, a candle or something, small candle. Keep it comfortable, you should be comfortable. Keep it like that. Still there. Vishuddhi, if you can clear out, this will clear but he has Swadishthana, it can’t go. You’ve not been to anyone like that? You been to catholic church? Seeker: I don’t know, no. Shri Mataji: Just try to remember. This is Vishuddhi. Wolfgang: Mooladhara, I feel very strong. Shri Mataji: Hum, that’s a minimum. Left Nabhi? Wolfgang: Left Nabhi. Shri Mataji: Left Swadishthana, you’re seeing that yourself. You can raise his Kundalini by Mahakali ‘s mantra, it will all work out. It’s, badha it is. Now, it’s paining still? It pains? Equally the same or less? Now less. Better now? Sorry. Wolfgang: It’s lighter. Shri Mataji: His Agnya is releasing very much, I think. Yes, now. Left Nabhi. Wolfgang: Yes. Shri Mataji: Now, better? Yes, it’s better. You see, this is the one, which is also bad in you. It’s because of your wife, you see. Seeker: I always when I feel warm, it becomes better. In the morning, if I put it under hot water- Shri Mataji: It’s better. And that’s what you have to do, is to use the candle. Use the candle and they will tell you how to do it, how to use the candle. You see, you have to use the candle and it will be all right. Because whatever it is, you see, it’s a left side virus you have got, virus, infection. And for the virus you have to use the light. Light. Light is more than the heat. It’s not the heat, it’s the light that will help you a lot. They’ll tell you how to use it, it will go away. Improving now very much. That’s why it helps you. In the medical science they never use light as such, you see. For all these troubles, left-sided problems, we even cured cancer with candle, and – but takes time, but we cured cancer, plus all these psychosomatic diseases. We have to use only candles. The light has to be used. His left Nabhi is too much. Wolfgang: He is married again now, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: You see, now the candle also reacts. It reacts. You see how the candles is reacting. Better, yes. Better than before, much better, much better. Much better now. You see the thing is, that you have to work it out with the candle, they’ll tell you, it’s very simple. But you have to give little time to yourself, that’s all. Usual it’s the left-side, as we call it, is the virus, a kind of a virus in you, that has to go again away. Once the virus is cured, you are all right. But see, you are much better now. You see now. You see his hand has opened out. Seeker: It’s very good. Shri Mataji: Yes, it’s very good, there is no pain also. But what you have to do now, is to really work it out. It will hardly take two, three times and you can be cleared of it. Just two, three times. Two, three times will be all right. It’s just a virus infection of what you call the allergic. Allergic conditions are nothing but viruses, allergic. And these viruses are the plants and things, that have gone out of the circulation of evolution. So, they live on the left-side, in the collective subconscious, you see, the area which was built in. And they attack you. Once they attack you, then medical cannot cure it, you see. It’s a psychosomatic trouble. And now in his case also same thing. Only the candle can cure it. With candle, they will tell you how to use. You have to use my photograph. All right? You’ll be all right. It’s nothing special, great. This hand, is it better? See, the other hand also. You see, other hand. Seeker: Here, I have only this one. [Right Agnya] Shri Mataji: This one is yes, Agnya, this one is. That is better. So, your left-side is problematic. Now better. But don’t sell these artificial things, because, you see, allergy could be from nylons, from anything, I mean people get with nylon – they get rushes [unsure], you know, so many allergies are there due to these artificial things. You ask any doctor, they’ll tell you, so many types of allergies are there. Endless, absolutely endless. Now, this is all right. Seeker: Yes. Thank you very much. Shri Mataji: May God bless you. It’s all right now. And his Vishuddhi has improved. That’s good. So, you please see them and they’ll cure you completely, your feet, everything will be cured completely. Completely cured, there’s no problem. And doctors also know, that they cannot cure virus trouble, they know that, isn’t it? Virus is incurable, they know it very well. Do you know that cancer and all the psychosomatic troubles come from viruses. They are all viruses, different types, that’s all. And if you can just get your attention away from them, you are all right. Sahaja Yoga is that. If you move towards the left, you go to the collective subconscious and there are all those things, which have gone out of the circulation of evolution, out there. But if you can, some or other, pull out your attention, you get cured. Same on the right side also you can have problems. But for psychosomatic troubles only this candle treatment helps a lot. It’s a wonderful thing. Better now? Give him a lemon in his hand. Yes Sir, hold it tight. Sahaja Yogi: Like a tennis ball. [Laughter] I tell you it’s a very strenuous game, isn’t it? Tennis is horrible- it’s a very strenuous game, isn’t it? It’s a very strenuous game. You must give up at a point like Borgen has done. Borgen is a very sensible fellow, he gave it up at the right time, you see. Otherwise, it goes on and on like mad. But now only sixteen years old people are playing tennis, so nobody can stand that. Shri Mataji: All right. Sahaja Yogi: Jai Shri Mataji. The thing is- Shri Mataji: Any more question? Only thing, I hope you’ll give a good exposition to the whole thing so that people will be helped. We have to help them, you see. This is needed, that reality must be brought to them. That is the greatest work today, that they should know the reality, they should know that they all can be saved and things can work out, you can enjoy everything. And should be given a proper publicity. I think, the newspapers are the ones, who have the responsibility, very great responsibility. If they fail now, they’ll be blamed for it. Because that’s the communication, you see, that’s the only communication we have. Another is television. That’s another thing. In Russia they made a film out of Me, they made this, that, everything is so much, the communication is so much that even the villagers know Me, everybody knows Me. I’ll tell you a miracle. I had their visa and the visa is just a paper, you see? And it was lost, because I was travelling from places to places. When I went there, I had no visa with Me. The gentleman - I have a diplomatic passport. So, I started looking at it and there’s no visa, what to do? So, I gave it to the gentleman. I said, "Please, I have lost my visa somewhere, I don’t know when". Just smiled at Me. He opened it, he saw my photograph and all, and I don’t know what he did. He, some he telephoned somewhere. He smiled and he wrote a visa there only and gave it to Me. Can you believe it, such a thing? Sahaja Yogi: In Russia, Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Russia! [Laughter] He himself wrote it, smiled at Me, he wrote it down my visa and gave it to Me. And Guido was so worried, because Guido there went first. He said, "I am her secretary ", he went inside, he was all right because it was a diplomatic passport. He said, "All right, secretary can go in". But he asked Me to stop. I said, "I’ve lost my visa and gave him the passport". And he wrote it down himself. Sahaja Yogi: It’s incredible for Russia. Shri Mataji: That’s why, there is a lot of freedom there. If you don’t do with the politics, it’s a lot of freedom. Lot of freedom, that way. Oh, but they are so kind, you have no idea. And they sent- the government sent Me a limousine. Sahaja Yogi: The government? Shri Mataji: Ah! And arranged my stay in a hotel, then in a boat. And they got 800 doctors, this you don’t know? There was a conference of 800 doctors from all over Russia. And I addressed to them for one and a half hour, then they said, “Now, give us Realization.” They all got Realization. They wanted the photographs. I said, I have no photograph of mine. So, they made Me stand, got a photographer, got my photograph. [Laughter] Really, I mean you won’t believe, it’s another world. They are all already Sahaja Yogis like that, the way they understand. It’s remarkable, I tell you. No doubting people, I said, “Who will translate Me?” There were ten people who got up. It’s like that. It’s tremendous, it is tremendous. Any number of you people can come, they’ll give you visas, they’ll look after you, you can stay, it’s absolutely in the best places. Whatever, any number of Sahaja Yogis. As long as you have the badge. [Laughter] Badge you have to have. Can you imagine such a country, the whole country? With what understanding! Tremendous. Newspapers, televisions, every village, everywhere they know Me. Some people had gone to purchase something, and they were wearing my badge. So, some villagers said – they got after them, "Give us the badges" you see. "We want Mother’s badge". So, they said, "We haven’t got it". They said, "No, you have to give it". So, they came back, took some badges and gave it to them, otherwise they would not spare them. Such love, I tell you. Such love. Sahaja Yogi: Shri Mataji, we can just pray, that this happens once also in Austria. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: If it will happen anywhere in Europe, it will be in Austria. That I know. Sahaja Yogi: Thank you Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Very much because Austrians are, you see, something quite in a balance, between Germany and other European countries, they are quite in balance. If it ever happens in that big way, it will be in Austria, I know that. All right, thank you very much. Please have something to drink or eat or something, please. You give him the treatment, before he goes, all right?

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Doctor’s Conference, 2 July 1990 – Moscow (Russia) I bow to all the seekers of truth. In the medical studies whatever we have discovered so far is there already available. And whatever we can discover with human awareness has its own limitations. Supposing it is said that the human body does not accept any foreign thing into its being, but when the foetus is implanted, then it is looked after, it's not thrown out, it's looked after and thrown out at the right time. Also the role of acetylcholine and adrenaline in our body, its mode of action cannot be explained because sometimes they augment, sometimes they relax. We cannot even explain the action of our spleen; there are so many things that cannot be explained through medical achievements. So we have to know there is much to be known and much to be found out. So I would like you all to know something of the beyond which is not known so far. And for you I would request to have an open mind of a scientist to see for youself if it is true or not. Till then it's like a hypothesis. So Sahaja Yoga gives you the complete picture, total picture, of the totality of consciousness. And as you grow higher and higher in Sahaja Yoga you yourself understand and can work out this great system. First we have to accept that we are not only this human body, nor our emotions, and neither our ego and conditionings, but we are the Spirit, the pure Spirit. The another thing one has to understand, that there is an all-pervading Power of Love which does all this living work of creating flowers, creating fruits, making us human beings. Of course in the science there is no place for love as such, it doesn't talk of love. But even the doctors have to love the patients otherwise they cannot dedicate. So first the doctor has to become the Spirit and has to feel the cool vibrations around him, which are the proof of this all-pervading Power of Love. Now this is the instrument which you have to use, first of all for cleansing yourself and for cleansing others. In the medical terminology we can say that the parasympathetic nervous system is looked after by the central channel and the left and right is looked after by two more channels. According to Sahaja Yoga left and right sympathetic are two separate energies. The left one is the one which comforts us, the right one is the one which counsels us and the centre one is the one which redeems us. So all this is after Realization, because you have to have the connection. Now in human beings these centres are in the spinal cord and also in the brain. And they are formed like this, from the left and from the right, both put together is the central system. The triangular bone in which this Kundalini resides is called as Sacrum as you know. ‘Sacrum’ means ‘sacred’ so the Greeks knew about it and they put that word in the medical terminology also, ‘sacred’. So according to Sahaja Yoga we are actually basically three types of people. Firstly, either we go to the left or to the right. Left side is our desires that have worked out and also whatever doesn’t work out goes into our subconscious on the left side, and then into collective subconscious. We can say that it looks after our psyche. It starts from down below there, from the last centre, goes upward, crosses over at the optic chiasma and creates what you call as the superego in the psychological terms, means the conditioning. The lowest centre also nourishes the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for our excretion. Also it looks after sex. So one has to have sane ideas about sex because this channel originates from the last centre. But when Freud talked of psyche, he perverted the whole thing. Instead of telling people how to safeguard this centre, how to safeguard the centre of innocence by looking after the sex habits, he just told the other way round. He related everything to sex as if human beings are just sex points. And he formed a very funny self-opiniated ideology that every man has sex feelings for his mother. Horrible! On this mental projection he based all his theories and people thought it was so-called ‘freedom’ to have sex the way they like. They didn’t even challenge him. He became more than Christ to them in the West. As a result we have now the invasion of AIDS, we have got all kinds of these diseases like gonorrhoea and all these serious diseases, which are, they say so, at least 60 percent in America. All related to sex organs. It was always called as 'private', ‘private parts’, but it was never understood what does it mean. Now so the left side is the psychic problem and the right side is the physical problems, somatic problems. Now the somatic problems are when we work too hard and think too much, we are futuristic, then we start using this centre, the second centre. When we think too much, then we have to supply energy for the brain. So all the energy of this centre goes to such a brain which thinks too much, which is futuristic. And other important functions it has to do, which are neglected. So the right-sided problems are caused by, neglect by liver, overactive liver. You get diabetes because pancreas is not looked after. You get leukemia because spleen is not looked after. You get high blood pressure because kidneys are in trouble. As the heat of the liver ascends you get asthma. We all know that the brain is like a spongy matter and in a way coagulates. Same thing happens to kidneys when the heat goes to the kidneys. They cannot pass the urine, the urine circulates in the body and in the blood. Also it causes constipation. So heat is the symptom of disease and coolness is the symptom of benevolence. So they have experimented with helium gas and when they gave heat to helium they found out that all the molecules were fighting with each other. And when they cooled it, then they found all the molecules were collective. Now the third type of diseases are psychosomatic, combination of both. But those who are psychosomatic they have more problems with the psyche than with the physical. I'll explain to you about cancer, which is psychosomatic according to us. All these viruses are the dead plants or dead animals, maybe microscopic, which have gone out of the circulation of evolution. They reside in the area which we call as collective subconscious. Doctors have reached the certain understanding about it, little certain understanding, that they say there are proteins 53 and 58, which trigger the cancer. Also they say that this cancer is caused to a person when he goes into some sort of a shock or something and this attack comes from, triggering comes from the area which was built within us since our creation. This is the same area, which I'm telling you, is the collective subconscious where everything that is dead is there. So there are people, also human beings who are dead, are hanging round there, dead souls. Now if I tell you something which you may not have heard with medical science, but I'll give you the complete picture in any case to understand. There is the soul which is made of causal of all the elements, which is attached in loops on the back side of our body, in all the seven centres plus the Sacrum bone where it resides. It makes seven loops. I have told them, because after Realization you can see many loops like that, round round things in loop, you see them like chakras and one into another, many of them, sometimes together, sometimes only one. Also you can see little sparks like commas, that is the Chaitanya, that is the vibrations. Now I have told them that these are the dead souls hanging around. Now this soul is reflected on our cells in the receptor area. Recently, very recently in America they have now pictured the receptor of a cell. It exactly looks like the one you see after Realization in the air, exactly. But when another soul sits on the being then it is reflected on the cells. Dead soul, another dead soul. It affects the soul, it affects them because it is reflected in the cell, it is also affects the receptor. Then this soul, new soul, which is there, it might get attached to anyone of the centres or to all of them depends on affects the cells also. And they create all this dopamine series which causes epilepsy, mental problems, also cancer, also AIDS, also all these things. So if they are viruses, then it’s not so bad, I mean only one portion can be affected, but it can travel from one to another. But if it’s a human possession then it’s very difficult. So now in Sahaja Yoga to cure the diseases which you are giving me here, out of which I'll give it out to you is: hypertension can be caused both of them, heart disease could be also from the same. Epilepsy definitely from the left side. Migraine or sick headaches could be from both sides. All these bone diseases… Is this like, what you call, arthritis? It is this also is psychosomatic. Leukemia is definitely psychosomatic, tumours are psychosomatic, women diseases, fibrosis, menopause… menopause is not a disease, it’s a normal thing. Inflammation of the pancreas could be also psychosomatic. Cholecystitis need not be, need not be, it is, it can be somatic also. No, actually cholecystitis is left-sided, is left-sided, sorry. Sciatica could be both, could be psychosomatic, could be somatic. All mental diseases — left-sided, absolutely. Schizophrenia — absolutely. Alcoholism is created by right side, creating left side problems. Arthritis — psychosomatic. Varicosity is right-sided. Now bad habits, like drug addiction, smoking, homo sexuality and all kind of perverted sex, too much indulgence into sex is all due to psychosomatic, or left-sided, absolutely left-sided. See, drug addiction, smoking… smoking creates left side problem because one feels guilty. But we can say, perverted sex habits and flirting of the eyes, and AIDS, and what you call, too much of sex, or rigidity, and also interest in, I've said, perverted sex you call that, all this is due to the left side, is some sort of a possession. Infantile paralysis is left-sided, same thing, multiple sclerosis absolutely this left, this centre. We cured the other day one lady of multiple sclerosis in about ten minutes and she started walking so fast. Then, what is there, neurosis — neurosis could be from both the sides [UNCLEAR]. Parkinson’s also from the same, left side. Rheumatism is the Nabhi, left side. Muscular dystrophy also left side. Stroke could be depends on: if it is on the left-hand side, then it is from the somatic side; if it is on the right-hand side, then it is from the left side. Then there is yuppie’s disease — yuppie’s disease is where you are very hard working, you are extremely futuristic and use your conscious mind too much, studying too much also. Then the conscious mind becomes absolutely paralyzed. You are walking all right and suddenly you are conscious that you are walking — you just paralyzed. I had told about yuppie’s disease about eight years back in America, that it will come. But they didn't listen to Me. Now it is a very, very serious disease, very serious and it's fast spreading, very fast spreading. I told them about AIDS about I think fourteen years back. They laughed at Me. Now they are in it. Diabetes is partly, very partly we should say left, but mostly right. Cancer is, any cancer is like this: you see, this is the centre and centre is giving energy on both the sides. And when you move one too much, because of using left or right, specially right, when you use too much of right, the exhaustion takes place [UNCLEAR]. So you are vulnerable. And suddenly happens from the left side, it breaks. And the connection with the whole is lost. So these proteins, like 53, 58, they are very ego-oriented and arbitrary. Whatever cell they touch, that becomes malignant. Thus, malignancy is set in. Same women suffer from breast cancer. The centre of heart is the Mother’s centre. When the motherhood is challenged of a woman, supposing the husband has flirt and he keeps her always insecure, or she’s very much sort of insecure otherwise also then this centre gets tarnished. Now this centre produces antibodies to fight the diseases in the sternum bone as you all know till the age of twelve years. And then they are distributed all over. So whenever there is any fear the sternum bone shakes and it's like a remote control and sends messages to all the antibodies to fight. So if you can establish the security of such a lady through Kundalini awakening, nourishing her centre here, her cancer can be cured. When they are in very advance stages, they do not have that will-power left. Then it’s better to remove the breast and then establish your security. Already there are diseases also which are caused by the lethargic organs. When heart is lethargic you get angina. When this centre of Vishuddhi catches on the left side here, when you feel guilty, then the blood cannot flow to the head, then it has to work very hard and such a heart becomes tired and lethargic. So in Sahaja Yoga we have two types of organs: one are overactive and one are lethargic. It's lucky that the photograph also have vibrations. So the doctors should first of all establish themselves properly, cleanse themselves nicely and protect themselves, then they can also learn how to cure others. But in the beginning, you can use the photographs and with the photographs how to cure you can find out from the centres, for every, left side or right side, there are only three types: left side, right side or psychosomatic. But as I told you, that psychosomatic is first has to be dealt only on the left side. I think I've dealt with many diseases and if you have any other problems you should let me know what is to be done. There is one more, I must say, that I've seen some children suffering from hyperactivity. Even diabetes comes from the same reason of a children. Children get diabetes with the same disease of which I'm telling. At the time when the mother is pregnant, she should not work very hard. She should take rest more. She should not think too much but read something soothing things, something nice. Best is to meditate. At that time if mother is overactive and thinking of the futuristic things, children are born with these diseases. And if she’s hectic, the child may get leukemia because you know spleen will use for all emergencies, because it produces red blood corpuscles. But you are hectic, panicked all the time, rushing about, then poor spleen doesn't understand. It becomes erratic and also it becomes crazy I must say. This could be for even grownups, same thing. This is also for the grownups. Now when suddenly something triggers from the left side as a shock maybe, as some sort of a sadness, maybe accident, anything, it triggers leukemia, as well as in the children. But the worst thing that is very difficult for anybody to understand is there are negative forces working. They work through negative people. These can come as false gurus or some parapsychology or mesmerism, anything like that. All these things are done through putting some sort of a dead soul on your soul. So one has to be very careful. For this you cannot charge money because it's a living process of evolution. Anything living: for example, you sow the seed — you don’t pay any money to Mother Earth, she does it. It is built in the seed as well as the Mother Earth. You don't pay anything. We also take all the living processes for granted without thinking about it. There’s no obligation. But all these horrible people are money-oriented. They have no purity of heart, purity of eyes. They are interested in women or men, all kinds of thing, dirty things they do. The most important thing they cannot explain how they do it. They cannot relate it to medical science or to any science. Now there are some people who are trying to market, marketing in Ayurveda. This is another trick. That's the Indian system medical. Firstly, there is no need to have any guru for that, you can always get it in the market. But these medicines are made out of absolutely fresh leaves, fresh roots, everything fresh, that only grows in India. Fruits, fresh fruits. For example, you people take Liv 52 here, is made from a little fruit we call as aronya in India, from that, aronya. So if you eat for a week aronya your liver is all right, you don't have to take this Liv 52 all your life. And they are very limited, few, but there are some medicines which are very few, which are there, which can be helpful, which can be also made into pills and could be selled. Could be make into pills. Next time I'll try to bring some for you. But the best way is Sahaja Yoga, is your own power. If you need any additional help then we do use vibrated water, vibrated sugar, vibrated salt and also we use certain these medicines little vibrated. Very, very, very few. And also Hatha Yoga, some exercises we tell you whenever it is necessary, very few. Like wherever there is a chakra damaged because of some physical problem, we try to give that particular Hatha Yoga exercise, precisely. But the way people do Hatha Yoga is taking all the medicines from the medicine chest, without knowing what to take, what not to take. Actually it is not Hatha Yoga — Ha Tha, means both the Nadis have to be used, it's only Ha they use. And this can cause such an imbalance within you, that [UNCLEAR] can become extremely dry, hot tempered and may divorce his wife, may not produce any children. Now the women who are very right-sided, over right-sided, very left-sided also cannot produce children. And they have so many problems otherwise. So that means is that we have to be in the centre, our Kundalini should be fixed permanently with that all-pervading Power and the flow should be all the time within you. But apart from physical, mental and emotional life, you have the spiritual life, which is much more miraculous, which is very blissful and when you understand how this power of Love looks after you, you are amazed. You don't worry about anything. That's what doctor Wallace told about Me, that he cannot cope with Me. But the main thing is I don't do anything. If I'm travelling I'm there, if I'm with you I'm here, so what am I doing? So I don't think I do anything. My love just flows, that's all, I know that it flows, that's all, but I don't do anything. Because that is My nature. That's how it is going to work out with you all, but I will advise you first not to touch the patient, use the photograph.

Doctor’s Conference, 2 July 1990 – Moscow (Russia) I bow to all the seekers of truth. In the medical studies whatever we have discovered so far is there already available. And whatever we can discover with human awareness has its own limitations. Supposing it is said that the human body does not accept any foreign thing into its being, but when the foetus is implanted, then it is looked after, it's not thrown out, it's looked after and thrown out at the right time. Also the role of acetylcholine and adrenaline in our body, its mode of action cannot be explained because sometimes they augment, sometimes they relax. We cannot even explain the action of our spleen; there are so many things that cannot be explained through medical achievements. So we have to know there is much to be known and much to be found out. So I would like you all to know something of the beyond which is not known so far. And for you I would request to have an open mind of a scientist to see for youself if it is true or not. Till then it's like a hypothesis. So Sahaja Yoga gives you the complete picture, total picture, of the totality of consciousness. And as you grow higher and higher in Sahaja Yoga you yourself understand and can work out this great system. First we have to accept that we are not only this human body, nor our emotions, and neither our ego and conditionings, but we are the Spirit, the pure Spirit. The another thing one has to understand, that there is an all-pervading Power of Love which does all this living work of creating flowers, creating fruits, making us human beings. Of course in the science there is no place for love as such, it doesn't talk of love. But even the doctors have to love the patients otherwise they cannot dedicate. So first the doctor has to become the Spirit and has to feel the cool vibrations around him, which are the proof of this all-pervading Power of Love. Now this is the instrument which you have to use, first of all for cleansing yourself and for cleansing others. In the medical terminology we can say that the parasympathetic nervous system is looked after by the central channel and the left and right is looked after by two more channels. According to Sahaja Yoga left and right sympathetic are two separate energies. The left one is the one which comforts us, the right one is the one which counsels us and the centre one is the one which redeems us. So all this is after Realization, because you have to have the connection. Now in human beings these centres are in the spinal cord and also in the brain. And they are formed like this, from the left and from the right, both put together is the central system. The triangular bone in which this Kundalini resides is called as Sacrum as you know. ‘Sacrum’ means ‘sacred’ so the Greeks knew about it and they put that word in the medical terminology also, ‘sacred’. So according to Sahaja Yoga we are actually basically three types of people. Firstly, either we go to the left or to the right. Left side is our desires that have worked out and also whatever doesn’t work out goes into our subconscious on the left side, and then into collective subconscious. We can say that it looks after our psyche. It starts from down below there, from the last centre, goes upward, crosses over at the optic chiasma and creates what you call as the superego in the psychological terms, means the conditioning. The lowest centre also nourishes the pelvic plexus, which is responsible for our excretion. Also it looks after sex. So one has to have sane ideas about sex because this channel originates from the last centre. But when Freud talked of psyche, he perverted the whole thing. Instead of telling people how to safeguard this centre, how to safeguard the centre of innocence by looking after the sex habits, he just told the other way round. He related everything to sex as if human beings are just sex points. And he formed a very funny self-opiniated ideology that every man has sex feelings for his mother. Horrible! On this mental projection he based all his theories and people thought it was so-called ‘freedom’ to have sex the way they like. They didn’t even challenge him. He became more than Christ to them in the West. As a result we have now the invasion of AIDS, we have got all kinds of these diseases like gonorrhoea and all these serious diseases, which are, they say so, at least 60 percent in America. All related to sex organs. It was always called as 'private', ‘private parts’, but it was never understood what does it mean. Now so the left side is the psychic problem and the right side is the physical problems, somatic problems. Now the somatic problems are when we work too hard and think too much, we are futuristic, then we start using this centre, the second centre. When we think too much, then we have to supply energy for the brain. So all the energy of this centre goes to such a brain which thinks too much, which is futuristic. And other important functions it has to do, which are neglected. So the right-sided problems are caused by, neglect by liver, overactive liver. You get diabetes because pancreas is not looked after. You get leukemia because spleen is not looked after. You get high blood pressure because kidneys are in trouble. As the heat of the liver ascends you get asthma. We all know that the brain is like a spongy matter and in a way coagulates. Same thing happens to kidneys when the heat goes to the kidneys. They cannot pass the urine, the urine circulates in the body and in the blood. Also it causes constipation. So heat is the symptom of disease and coolness is the symptom of benevolence. So they have experimented with helium gas and when they gave heat to helium they found out that all the molecules were fighting with each other. And when they cooled it, then they found all the molecules were collective. Now the third type of diseases are psychosomatic, combination of both. But those who are psychosomatic they have more problems with the psyche than with the physical. I'll explain to you about cancer, which is psychosomatic according to us. All these viruses are the dead plants or dead animals, maybe microscopic, which have gone out of the circulation of evolution. They reside in the area which we call as collective subconscious. Doctors have reached the certain understanding about it, little certain understanding, that they say there are proteins 53 and 58, which trigger the cancer. Also they say that this cancer is caused to a person when he goes into some sort of a shock or something and this attack comes from, triggering comes from the area which was built within us since our creation. This is the same area, which I'm telling you, is the collective subconscious where everything that is dead is there. So there are people, also human beings who are dead, are hanging round there, dead souls. Now if I tell you something which you may not have heard with medical science, but I'll give you the complete picture in any case to understand. There is the soul which is made of causal of all the elements, which is attached in loops on the back side of our body, in all the seven centres plus the Sacrum bone where it resides. It makes seven loops. I have told them, because after Realization you can see many loops like that, round round things in loop, you see them like chakras and one into another, many of them, sometimes together, sometimes only one. Also you can see little sparks like commas, that is the Chaitanya, that is the vibrations. Now I have told them that these are the dead souls hanging around. Now this soul is reflected on our cells in the receptor area. Recently, very recently in America they have now pictured the receptor of a cell. It exactly looks like the one you see after Realization in the air, exactly. But when another soul sits on the being then it is reflected on the cells. Dead soul, another dead soul. It affects the soul, it affects them because it is reflected in the cell, it is also affects the receptor. Then this soul, new soul, which is there, it might get attached to anyone of the centres or to all of them depends on affects the cells also. And they create all this dopamine series which causes epilepsy, mental problems, also cancer, also AIDS, also all these things. So if they are viruses, then it’s not so bad, I mean only one portion can be affected, but it can travel from one to another. But if it’s a human possession then it’s very difficult. So now in Sahaja Yoga to cure the diseases which you are giving me here, out of which I'll give it out to you is: hypertension can be caused both of them, heart disease could be also from the same. Epilepsy definitely from the left side. Migraine or sick headaches could be from both sides. All these bone diseases… Is this like, what you call, arthritis? It is this also is psychosomatic. Leukemia is definitely psychosomatic, tumours are psychosomatic, women diseases, fibrosis, menopause… menopause is not a disease, it’s a normal thing. Inflammation of the pancreas could be also psychosomatic. Cholecystitis need not be, need not be, it is, it can be somatic also. No, actually cholecystitis is left-sided, is left-sided, sorry. Sciatica could be both, could be psychosomatic, could be somatic. All mental diseases — left-sided, absolutely. Schizophrenia — absolutely. Alcoholism is created by right side, creating left side problems. Arthritis — psychosomatic. Varicosity is right-sided. Now bad habits, like drug addiction, smoking, homo sexuality and all kind of perverted sex, too much indulgence into sex is all due to psychosomatic, or left-sided, absolutely left-sided. See, drug addiction, smoking… smoking creates left side problem because one feels guilty. But we can say, perverted sex habits and flirting of the eyes, and AIDS, and what you call, too much of sex, or rigidity, and also interest in, I've said, perverted sex you call that, all this is due to the left side, is some sort of a possession. Infantile paralysis is left-sided, same thing, multiple sclerosis absolutely this left, this centre. We cured the other day one lady of multiple sclerosis in about ten minutes and she started walking so fast. Then, what is there, neurosis — neurosis could be from both the sides [UNCLEAR]. Parkinson’s also from the same, left side. Rheumatism is the Nabhi, left side. Muscular dystrophy also left side. Stroke could be depends on: if it is on the left-hand side, then it is from the somatic side; if it is on the right-hand side, then it is from the left side. Then there is yuppie’s disease — yuppie’s disease is where you are very hard working, you are extremely futuristic and use your conscious mind too much, studying too much also. Then the conscious mind becomes absolutely paralyzed. You are walking all right and suddenly you are conscious that you are walking — you just paralyzed. I had told about yuppie’s disease about eight years back in America, that it will come. But they didn't listen to Me. Now it is a very, very serious disease, very serious and it's fast spreading, very fast spreading. I told them about AIDS about I think fourteen years back. They laughed at Me. Now they are in it. Diabetes is partly, very partly we should say left, but mostly right. Cancer is, any cancer is like this: you see, this is the centre and centre is giving energy on both the sides. And when you move one too much, because of using left or right, specially right, when you use too much of right, the exhaustion takes place [UNCLEAR]. So you are vulnerable. And suddenly happens from the left side, it breaks. And the connection with the whole is lost. So these proteins, like 53, 58, they are very ego-oriented and arbitrary. Whatever cell they touch, that becomes malignant. Thus, malignancy is set in. Same women suffer from breast cancer. The centre of heart is the Mother’s centre. When the motherhood is challenged of a woman, supposing the husband has flirt and he keeps her always insecure, or she’s very much sort of insecure otherwise also then this centre gets tarnished. Now this centre produces antibodies to fight the diseases in the sternum bone as you all know till the age of twelve years. And then they are distributed all over. So whenever there is any fear the sternum bone shakes and it's like a remote control and sends messages to all the antibodies to fight. So if you can establish the security of such a lady through Kundalini awakening, nourishing her centre here, her cancer can be cured. When they are in very advance stages, they do not have that will-power left. Then it’s better to remove the breast and then establish your security. Already there are diseases also which are caused by the lethargic organs. When heart is lethargic you get angina. When this centre of Vishuddhi catches on the left side here, when you feel guilty, then the blood cannot flow to the head, then it has to work very hard and such a heart becomes tired and lethargic. So in Sahaja Yoga we have two types of organs: one are overactive and one are lethargic. It's lucky that the photograph also have vibrations. So the doctors should first of all establish themselves properly, cleanse themselves nicely and protect themselves, then they can also learn how to cure others. But in the beginning, you can use the photographs and with the photographs how to cure you can find out from the centres, for every, left side or right side, there are only three types: left side, right side or psychosomatic. But as I told you, that psychosomatic is first has to be dealt only on the left side. I think I've dealt with many diseases and if you have any other problems you should let me know what is to be done. There is one more, I must say, that I've seen some children suffering from hyperactivity. Even diabetes comes from the same reason of a children. Children get diabetes with the same disease of which I'm telling. At the time when the mother is pregnant, she should not work very hard. She should take rest more. She should not think too much but read something soothing things, something nice. Best is to meditate. At that time if mother is overactive and thinking of the futuristic things, children are born with these diseases. And if she’s hectic, the child may get leukemia because you know spleen will use for all emergencies, because it produces red blood corpuscles. But you are hectic, panicked all the time, rushing about, then poor spleen doesn't understand. It becomes erratic and also it becomes crazy I must say. This could be for even grownups, same thing. This is also for the grownups. Now when suddenly something triggers from the left side as a shock maybe, as some sort of a sadness, maybe accident, anything, it triggers leukemia, as well as in the children. But the worst thing that is very difficult for anybody to understand is there are negative forces working. They work through negative people. These can come as false gurus or some parapsychology or mesmerism, anything like that. All these things are done through putting some sort of a dead soul on your soul. So one has to be very careful. For this you cannot charge money because it's a living process of evolution. Anything living: for example, you sow the seed — you don’t pay any money to Mother Earth, she does it. It is built in the seed as well as the Mother Earth. You don't pay anything. We also take all the living processes for granted without thinking about it. There’s no obligation. But all these horrible people are money-oriented. They have no purity of heart, purity of eyes. They are interested in women or men, all kinds of thing, dirty things they do. The most important thing they cannot explain how they do it. They cannot relate it to medical science or to any science. Now there are some people who are trying to market, marketing in Ayurveda. This is another trick. That's the Indian system medical. Firstly, there is no need to have any guru for that, you can always get it in the market. But these medicines are made out of absolutely fresh leaves, fresh roots, everything fresh, that only grows in India. Fruits, fresh fruits. For example, you people take Liv 52 here, is made from a little fruit we call as aronya in India, from that, aronya. So if you eat for a week aronya your liver is all right, you don't have to take this Liv 52 all your life. And they are very limited, few, but there are some medicines which are very few, which are there, which can be helpful, which can be also made into pills and could be selled. Could be make into pills. Next time I'll try to bring some for you. But the best way is Sahaja Yoga, is your own power. If you need any additional help then we do use vibrated water, vibrated sugar, vibrated salt and also we use certain these medicines little vibrated. Very, very, very few. And also Hatha Yoga, some exercises we tell you whenever it is necessary, very few. Like wherever there is a chakra damaged because of some physical problem, we try to give that particular Hatha Yoga exercise, precisely. But the way people do Hatha Yoga is taking all the medicines from the medicine chest, without knowing what to take, what not to take. Actually it is not Hatha Yoga — Ha Tha, means both the Nadis have to be used, it's only Ha they use. And this can cause such an imbalance within you, that [UNCLEAR] can become extremely dry, hot tempered and may divorce his wife, may not produce any children. Now the women who are very right-sided, over right-sided, very left-sided also cannot produce children. And they have so many problems otherwise. So that means is that we have to be in the centre, our Kundalini should be fixed permanently with that all-pervading Power and the flow should be all the time within you. But apart from physical, mental and emotional life, you have the spiritual life, which is much more miraculous, which is very blissful and when you understand how this power of Love looks after you, you are amazed. You don't worry about anything. That's what doctor Wallace told about Me, that he cannot cope with Me. But the main thing is I don't do anything. If I'm travelling I'm there, if I'm with you I'm here, so what am I doing? So I don't think I do anything. My love just flows, that's all, I know that it flows, that's all, but I don't do anything. Because that is My nature. That's how it is going to work out with you all, but I will advise you first not to touch the patient, use the photograph.

7/7/1990

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Evening Program, eve of Guru Puja

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Musical program, camping "parc des Libertés", on the island of Barthelasse, Avignon, France, 07-07-1990 Shri Mataji: Give her a chair. Give her a chair otherwise she won't be able to play harmonium. Ah, [Hindi] Can you keep it up there? Ah. On that. [Hindi] You can move that. Come on. Have a sit there. Sahaja Yogi: We would like to present you with a "Bharood" [Marathi religious song] by Sant Eknath. It's a song that, in a style that is designed to teach people what will happen to them if they don't behave in a, in the correct way. In this particular song, Sant Eknath is talking about what happens to people if they're not if they trick people badly. If they are, if they are rude to them if they cheat them. Sant Eknath gives example in particular of Duryodhana who took Draupadi and humiliated her in his court and it was eventually his brother, the brother of Duryodhana drag Draupadi into the court to be humiliated. And was eventually punished by Bhishma, punished by Bhishma in a dual. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In reality, there are only four people that Sant Eknath mentions who are free from any kind of problem in his regard. For example, Bhishma and Hanumana those two are examples. Sant Eknath concludes the song inviting us to be sweet with each other and not to abuse each other. Otherwise - cause if we do, then our fate is a very ugly one. Babamama: Give me a microphone for tablas. Shri Mataji: When standing, they will wait. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: So, all of you can sit there like this only. Patrick! Sahaja Yogi: Yes. [Music starts.] Sahaja Yogi: We have another song for you. This time it's a village's song, a folk's song from Uttar Pradesh. The context of the song is a group of villagers on a way to a festival at Prayag in the month of Magha which is January or February. And Prayag is a place where the two holy rivers of India, Ganga and Yamuna, meet. So, in the first verse, the villagers are singing the praises of Prayag where the rivers meet, and for this reason, it's a holy place, a place of pilgrimage. In the second verse, they explain how Ganga comes from Haridwar, which is also a place of pilgrimage because Ganga has come down from the heaven in that place. So it has come from Haridwar, which is a popular place of pilgrimage, to Prayag which is also a place of pilgrimage. [Music starts.] Lady [on harmonium]: Come here, on the same line. You go a little bit that side. Ok, very good. Shri Mataji: Ah! This reminded me of my own marriage when I went to my husband's house. They all used to sing like this only there. So, it's wonderful, the way they have sung it, absolutely with complete pronunciation, everything, it's wonderful. I was just enjoying it. Thank you very much. And I hope you all have enjoyed too. [Applause] Lady [on harmonium]: The group of students who are sitting in front of you, on the stage, have been learning classical music at Garlate house near Milano, I hope you - all of you know Garlate house. And they covered about seven ragas. Among these ragas, they learnt Marva raga which is the favourite raga of Shri Mataji. And they will sing what we call the chutta khayal [composition] in ektaal [12 beats]. First, they will sing the aroha [ascending scale] and pakad [melodic theme] of raga Marva and then sargam [singing notes]. Shri Mataji: Aroha is ascend Lady [on harmonium]: Aroha is, are the ascending notes of the raga. And Avaroha are the descending notes of the raga. And pakad are the group of notes typical of that raga, so that the raga can be recognized when those notes are sung. And they are singing the chutta khayal in ektaal. And before singing the chutta khayal, they will sing sargam. Sargam, they will sing also in double rhythm. And chutta khayal, they will sing with alap and taans [first and second part of the raga]. I hope all of you will like it and Shri Mataji will also like what they sing in the present. [Music starts.] [Applause] [Cut in the video] Lady [on harmonium]: Is a prayer composed by Guru Dev Rabindranath Tagore in raga Bhairavi. "Antara Mama Bikoshito Karo, antara tara hey." The devotee is praying to the God that: "Let my inner being be enlightened." "Nirmala karo, ujjwala karo, sundara karo hey." Nirmala, you know: Shri Mataji's name is Nirmala, pure. Absolutely pure. "Mangalo karo" make it holy and make it beautiful. So, this prayer is being sung by the students who were studying semi-classical in raga Bhairavi and this will be the last song. [Music starts.] [Applause] [Cut in the video] Babamama: In a bus and we had a lot of discomfort in the sense that we were not feeling free. But when we came into this wonderful land of Italy, we were feeling very, very free and we were also feeling very hungry. Maybe, it has something to do with the Nabhi, I'm sure. But then, in order to keep my Sangeet Sarita members happy, I was trying to sing a raga which is known as Chandrakauns. It's a very, very dynamic raga. And close to that raga is another raga known as Malkauns. And there is a difference of only one note in these two ragas. And, as I was singing I was talking to Guruji and I was saying that if we add this note of one raga into another, I think we will create a beautiful raga. And he immediately got up and he started singing with that additional note and a new raga was born. Just, just in the bus, a new raga was born. And then, we had to give a name and Guruji gave a very, very dynamic very sahaj name: he called it "Chaitanya Ranjani" [vibrations; to be rejoiced] which will entertain your Chaitanya. This is a raga which is going to be played for the first time. Even in India, my sister will bear me out that this has not been played before, anywhere. So, you can imagine what's a headache is done to this poor Babamama who knew very little about music. He's gone so dynamic that he is creating ragas! [Laughter] [Applause] Babamama: This will be played to you by one and only Guruji on the violin and our young artist Nasir khan. Guido, could you please take down completely... as it is obstructing the view. It has to be removed completely. I was discussing this raga with my other sister; where is she? I can't see. She must be sitting on side. So, she was saying as to: "How could you create this raga?" And she herself replied: "It is because of your concentration in music." "That, that is because you put your heart and soul in something and you will achieve." So, when you have to have creativity, your attention is the most important equipment. So, you put your attention on something and you are bound to create if your attention is fully on that subject. Out of the twelve brothers and sisters that we are, my dear sister is a subtle artist and was blessed with this voice and the gift of music and we used to have music every day in the house. I was a very playful boy, but in between, I used to go and listen to this music. And that has been registered with me and it is coming so helpful now so that we can transfer this culture of India through this music to all the Sahaja Yogis. It's a tremendous feeling. Now, I will first tell you as to what the two ragas are and then I will tell you how they have been blended. So you will be able to appreciate the difference. First, a very brief introduction of the members of the Nirmal Sangeet Sarita who are on the stage: Sandesh Popatkar on the tabla. Then our Guruji, mister Prabhakarji [Dhakde] on the violin. And, two years ago this young artist Nasir Khan was here, he was then the baby of the team. He has lost that status of being a baby because he's become, he is going to become a father very shortly. And- but his sitar has improved immensely over the two years. And now I will ask Prabhakarji to first play the ragas as they are. The two ragas. Now, first, he will play the Chandrakauns. One minute, the tuning. Now, this is Chandrakauns he is playing. Now, this is the original raga, Chandrakauns. Pakad notation. Acha [Hindi]. Now, I'll ask Nasir to play Malkauns. See the notation. The only difference of one note. Now, the new raga. Only the notations. OK. Now, the "Chaitanya Ranjani" for your Chaitanya. Thank you. [Music starts.] Antonio, people here can come here in the front. Shri Mataji has suggested a new name for this raga. Since this is a gift from the disciple to the guru, and guru is synonymous of "Purnima" that is the full Moon, Shri Mataji says that this raga should be called "Chaitanya Purnima". That means - [Applause] I think this is the biggest award a disciple can expect from a guru, that She has blessed this raga with a very wonderful name. Jai Shri Mataji. [Applause] [Here comes the second sitar player, Nishat Khan, with his tablas player.] Nishat Khan: You are lucky because Shri Mataji is speaking about you. All of you. "Chers amis, bonsoir". [French meaning "Dear friends, good night."] [Applause] Thank you. [No sound.] Because I wanted to drive in Rome, I wanted to drive, so I said: "We will take the car." So we took the car and as you know that it's very difficult to find parking in Rome, like in Paris, yes. More difficult. So, for about twenty minutes, we went around, around and around, looking for a parking place. Twenty minutes later, I suddenly noticed a small gap in front of the restaurant. I took my car and I went into this gap. And in front, there was a poster of Shri Mataji smiling. [Laughter] [Applause] The smile on that poster was very knowing. I'm very- I'm very touched and very moved that we have been chosen as one of the musicians to play in this elated evening. Indian classical music is based on ragas, melodies which we call ragas, and ragas are emotions, ragas are mood, it's an emotion. And different ragas have different emotions. And this evening, I chose to play a raga called Puriya, raga Puriya. [No sound.] Shri Mataji: Tomorrow is, as you know, we are going to celebrate the Guru Purnima. And all these artists, whom you see here, have become such great artists because of their dedication - of course through the art- but through their gurus. Complete dedication. And this is the key of their success: complete dedication to the guru. And to master any art, you have to have dedication and surrendering. And that's how these people have achieved such heights of perfection. That they have followed their gurus out and out absolutely, completely surrendering. And that is why today I'm happy that we have so many artists here, especially such a great artist of such fame before you. But if you ask him, he 'll tell you that he had to go through penance to master this art. And his own father is his guru. So what a difficult situation must be for the father of for the son. But as far as the art is concerned, there is no compromise. In the same way, as fas as spirituality is concerned, there is no compromise. Maybe, your guru is your Mother, but still, no compromise. So, may God bless you. [Applause] [Music starts.] Thank you very much for appreciating him so much. Actually, it is a tremendous speed, you see, the speed with which and the balance. Balance and the speed. We are living in an age of, we are living in an age of a jet, you see, we're living in an age of speed and in that speed, we have to keep the balance and the rhythm. That's what you have to learn is to keep the balance and the rhythm and then you have to come to the first beat, that is the Spirit. So, how you are bound, may go anywhere with any speed, keep the speed, keep the balance and come back to the same first beat which is the Spirit, is the- that's how it works out. And the speed with which he is playing, I tell you, this is a very great, modern also, a kind of a blessing that there is a speed in the atmosphere. And everywhere there's speed and - but in that speed to have the balance is only possible when you practice what you call "riyaz" is quite deep and you do it with your whole attention and whole heart. Then only, otherwise it's not possible such a speed that he has. What a tremendous speed! [Hindi] Speed [inaudible] -you see, have you noticed the speed with which he was playing? And have you noticed the balance that he had? And how he was rhythmic? Rhythm, he never missed, you see, he's very good as we call it the [inaudible] [Shri Mataji laughs] like. So he is, tablavala is another- Babamama: Tablavala is very sahaj Mother. Shri Mataji: Sahaj! And he is absolutely relaxed and he is playing so well. He's beautiful. And that is what kind of a tablavala you need for a music like this where he has to be most unassuming and he is supporting all the time the artist, should be the point. I'm very happy you all are enjoying it so much and that you are appreciative of him cause, after all, it's a - we have been brought up in this kind of [inaudible] style. In my family, from my childhood, I have been earing nothing but classical music and all my life. I've never known even one minute in my house then, where the music is not there: somebody singing in this room or somebody singing in that room, whatever may be the situation, there is music on. So, for my ear it is tremendous but to my heart also. And the way he has played, I must thank him very much on your behalf. From his heart, he has played, from his heart. Nishat Khan: It's only to her presence that this can happen. You all know this also. [Applause] [No sound] Nishat Khan: "Avion" [plane] means "air" isn't it? "Wind" in French. "Avion" is wind. Babamama: He says it is "guide" "avion" is "guide". Nishat Khan: No, "avion", "avion". Guido: "Avion"? Nishat Khan: Is what? Guido: "Avion" is airplane. Nishat Khan: Airplane. There's a lot of "avion" in the Avignon. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: If you see, the sitar he has got a rakhi to it, you see? You all know what is rakhi is. So the sitar is his sister. And the sisterly love is the purity of love, absolute pure love, you see. And the sister is the protector of the brother. So, this is how they tie rakhi to a sister, you see? I hope you have noticed it. [Hindi] Shri Mataji: There is a circus on and it's a nice contrast to see the difference between the two. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: This is the raga which is called as Durga as you must have heard it before also, and it's quite a difficult raga and also it is only with the five notes it is played and there are very few ragas like that. And one of them is Gunakali raga which is also played with the same style. And I was surprised that in certain countries, they only know one raga. Like Bhairava, it's a- it's the only raga they know in Iran. Whether it is morning, evening, afternoon, they sing just that one raga is Bhairava. And I was surprised, I heard Gunakali in Japan. Nishat Khan: Ah, ah. Shri Mataji: Japanse have only idea of Gunakali, I don't know how they got it. But only Gunakali nothing else. Nishat Khan: Absolutely. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. That's all. One raga they are masters. Nishat Khan: They are mastering that raga. Shri Mataji: One, but morning, evening, [Hindi]. And in a way, these ragas are morning ragas. Bhairava especially is a raga all the time they sing without any discrimination. But this is the time for Durga really. Just before awakening, the mother is calling that: "Get up now and meditate." Ah! How beautiful it is, just see. [Music starts.] [End of music.] Shri Mataji: Now, their last raga is Bhairavi. It has to be played in the old traditional ways and it's a raga that is in praise of the power of, we can say, of the Spirit. Because it is a- it has such beautiful notes and [Hindi]. Notes which are - it's a complete "sampurna" it's a complete "aga" it's a "Purnima". Hey? [Babamama in Hindi] Shri Mataji: All the twelves notes are in it. So, you see, it's such a complete raga and it has to be played in all due respect to it. Babamama: And it is a ragani Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: It's a ragani regarded as you see, because - [Shri Mataji laughs]. Now, as you know that the heart chakra has got – heart chakra has got twelve petals. And the Durga resides on the heart chakra. Now, the Durga's qualities are that she is protective of her children. She's very gentle, very soft with her children. And she is extremely horrifying to the crooks, to the satanic people, to the negative people. So, in this raga, I think because the- there are - it's spaced out, the notes are spaced out. So, either you could play it slow or you could play it fast. Nothing in between. That's why it is on a Durga style, you see. Either she's extremely gentle or she is extremely horrifying. So, because she has a double function, is one is to look after her children and another is: protect her children from the devils. So she has to be very quick about it to fight them and to, in every way, to frighten them and to be alert about them. So, in the second part, you all became very alert I saw it. The first part, you were having a lullaby because it was the mother's love that was playing. But the second part, you became alert because she has to fight. Now, this is such a nice raga because it gives you a better sense of security within yourselves. Will give you a sense of security. And also as you know, medically that it's important to build up this chakra because that gives you antibodies created more so to fight all the diseases, to fight all the foreign things which try to attack us. So, this raga is so apt, absolutely apt for today's atmosphere and for today's need, that we have to have the security of the Mother and the protection of the Mother. And that all the evil forces must be finished from this world. And that's how this raga has a very great significance and I thank you very much for feeling this raga, see. [Applause] This is the now last five minutes he would like to play, he asked the Bhairavi which is a complete raga as you can call, is the complete Purnima. All the - all the notes are there. And it is played in various ways, is in various styles and is used for so many expressions of your feelings and things. But in this also, there's a beautiful one of a song as you know, Dayani Bhavani is the one which is a song about the Mother Goddess. And in this [inaudible] there's a little mixture in the- I don't know if it is an absolutely pure Bhairavi or not. [Hindi] It is to be played absolutely in Shuddha Bhairavi. [Hindi] It should be played in absolute Shuddha Bhairavi. [Hindi] It is to be played absolutely in pure Bhairavi. This is the best way because Bhairavi is the name of the Goddess. So, that will be the- [Hindi] So, this is the purity of it, purity of it creates that feeling and that- I mean it awakens that Deity so that you get that effect with the Bhairavi. [Hindi] Ah! She, my sister is accepting that they may make some mistakes in the Shuddhata [unsure]. Which I detected, you see, I'm not such a musician as you are, but I did detect that there's a little bit [inaudible] Indian music has such a lot of freedom, I mean, such a lot of freedom. Ah! You can do what you like with it but only thing that you have to keep to the ragas and you have to keep to the "swaras" [notes] and everything and you cannot just go crazy from one to another like that. So, it is like a big aeroplane which is going in the air with everything completely fixed properly, you see, so it can go anywhere. Unless and until you it's fixed by its own maryadas, it cannot go. So, that has to be there. So, first the ragas are built. And built in such a way, that they are absolutely perfect. And then you can go wherever you feel like. And then you can go wherever you feel like, nothing will happen. [Hindi] Babamama: Then it will become jazz Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Jazz. Or even worse than that, could be. Ah, ah. First, he will play all the twelves notes which are moved in Bhairavi. And then you see how he keeps to them. He keeps to that mood that way. Woah, wah. It's the heart chakra. it's the heart chakra of Shiva. Surrendering. The surrendering, you see, as Islam means "surrender". Islam is the "surrender". He's been calling [inaudible]. Now, this is the call [inaudible]. Shri Mataji: What an enjoyment! What an enjoyment! Tremendous! Please, be seated. I have to especially thank him for one thing that he has now prepared really for you, the Guru Purnima for you. He's worked it out really very well. I can see that, I can feel it. It has worked within ourselves that depth and that beauty. And now with music, you see, it's this excavation within ourselves, you see. Facing it within yourself. All these things with music become not only harmless but also so gentle, that you don't feel that it is happening. It just works. You see, the- like very gentle waves you see, it works within you and you start developing that personality which is very important for a function like Guru Purnima. And the beauty and the joy, they all work it out so beautifully that you don't feel that it is all working, but I know it's really. But, supposing, if I say something as a Guru, maybe I may hurt you. You may feel upset and you also may feel facing yourself a little bit, sometimes reluctant maybe diffident. You might feel little sort of dejected or depressed. Or you may feel sometimes also if elevate you, you might feel egoistical, you see. So the words could be, could not render service as properly as the notes can because the notes just penetrate within you and work it out so smoothly that you don't feel it's working there. It's working no doubt. It's like mantras it works, like mantras only. And when it's enlightened notes, it has a great effect. I haven't brought you photographs where, when you are playing before Me, you go into complete lights. I have got those photographs with Me. Of course, also we have got the [inaudible]. And we have got photographs, now, tomorrow we will be able to show you, where the lights change their forms, how through vibrations, how they change their forms, you see. And how the vibrations work it out, you see? But the, even the notes are used by vibrations as "vahanas" [vessel]. The notes are used and the notes take the vahana's position and they penetrate. When there is somebody: you are singing before a Realized soul or an evolved personality, then the Chaitanya flows within you. But notes are very helpful, I've seen, the beautiful notes, and in harmony, you see. It's so much in harmony with you, that you don't feel the penetration. You don't feel the injection, you don't feel the going within you. Just it works and it just moves and I was seeing your brain also opening out quite a lot because the heart is so much connected with your brain now, you are integrated. So it's wonderful and you are all becoming thoughtless and beautiful. I think you all have enjoyed his things and we have to thank him very much because our Guru Purnima day that he agreed to come and has done the job halfway for Me. I'm thankful to him that now, even if I say something, you won't feel hurt. [Laughter] [Applause] It is nice to be a Mother. Mother is a very easy thing, it's to just to express your love and the children are nice. But for a Mother to be a Guru is the most difficult task. And that, if I have to do, a Mother to be a Guru, then I think this preparation is a very good idea because first of all, now, you are smoothed out and you are much better so it's all right, as a Guru I can tell you some things. Otherwise, for a Mother to be Guru is the worst thing that she can do and to act as a Guru but sometimes, you have to be corrected. But I think this one has created a beautiful atmosphere and I am very thankful to him for this preparation of your minds and your brains. Nishat Khan: We are very honoured and, as I said in the beginning, I'm extremely honoured. And, of course, it's very difficult to use words on how I feel at this moment. Because to be invited to play for Guru Purnima is a great blessing for us. And it's your blessing and it's a great honour and we would have been very disappointed if you had not invited us to play today. Shri Mataji: I was anxious that you should be invited actually. Nishat Khan: Thank you. Shri Mataji: That you should be here and you should do this because you see, if you have seen the mid-career that you do, with that you were pulling the strings of their hearts, I could see it clearly the importance, you see. Some or other, I thought I can work through you better than through my own words. It's an indirect way of working out things like this and you have been very, very helpful, cooperative. Nishat Khan: Bas Shri Mataji: I'm thankful to you for this wisdom. So, I don't know how to also say something about Indian music. But I can definitely say that the way you are appreciating Indian music is really very creditable. I just can't understand really how you people are so much appreciative of this music. I'm just- it's the Spirit or whatever you may say something remarkable and even the artists are so enamoured by that. To see such a - Nishat Khan: Absolutely. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. They're having rapport and all that. They are very much enamoured by you. Nishat Khan: Wonderful. Shri Mataji: And they are very thankful to you the way you are just following every note and every movement with such intense concentration. Nishat Khan: But it's your blessings Mataji, it's your blessing that this whole atmosphere Shri Mataji: Yes. Nishat Khan: worked out like this. Otherwise... Shri Mataji: Really more for - I don't know whom to thank. You or their aim. But I think it is mutual thanking is needed because you were enjoying him and he was enjoying you. Otherwise, it would not have been possible. Without a proper audience, artist also doesn't get the encouragement to play so well. [Hindi] Audience has to have a rapport otherwise [Hindi] You have not put anything for the Russians so far here? [On the map] Nishat Khan: There are too many there, it seems. Shri Mataji: Just simple thing like that. Moscow and then Kyiv. Guido: Moscow, Leningrad. Shri Mataji: Kyiv also. [Hindi] A little gift for him from you all. Only what I can tell him is to keep the music on. [Hindi] [Applause] So, now for- what should I say? "Good morning" to you? [Laughter] I think still that will be about- till twelve o'clock you can have rest. Then we'll see you. All right? May God bless you. Thank you [Hindi] Shri Mataji: What an enjoyment! What an enjoyment! Talk with subtitles at : https://youtu.be/NcI7HK471xo?t=19287 Second video: (camera 2) Please, be seated [Hindi]... Lady [on harmonium]: Don't cross the limits of Shri Mataji's chair. You, there. All right. Sahaja Yogi: So with Shri Mataji's blessings, and thanks to the teaching of Maushi [aunt in Marathi] , we would like to present you with a Bharood [Marathi religious song] by Sant Eknath. It's a song that, in a style that is designed to teach people what will happen to them if they don't behave in a, in the correct way. In this particular song, Sant Eknath is talking about what happens to people if they're not if they trick people badly. If they are, if they are rude to them if they cheat them. Sant Eknath gives example in particular of Duryodhana who took Draupadi and humiliated her in his court and it was eventually his brother, the brother of Duryodhana drag Draupadi into the court to be humiliated. And was eventually punished by Bhishma, Lady [on harmonium]: Bhishma, Bhishma [Bema] Sahaja Yogi: Bhishma [Bema] who was punished by Bhishma in a dual. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In reality, there are only four people, that Sant Eknath mentions who are free from any kind of problem in his regard. For example, Bhishma and Hanumana, those two are examples. Sant Eknath concludes the song inviting us to be sweet with each other and not to abuse each other. Otherwise - cause if we do, then our fate is a very ugly one. Babamama: Give me a microphone for tablas. Lady [on harmonium]: ...For their very kind and very appreciate for their treatment, and everything that they did for me and my daughter I have no words to give them my gratitude. And then I need not add that my greatest thanks are to Shri Mataji. [Applause] [Music starts.] Babamama: Shri Mataji has suggested a new name for this raga. Since this is a gift from the disciple to the guru, and guru is synonymous of "Purnima" that is the full Moon, "Chaitanya Purnima". That means - [Applause] I think this is the biggest award a disciple can expect from a guru, that She has blessed this raga with a very wonderful name. Jai Shri Mataji

Musical program, camping "parc des Libertés", on the island of Barthelasse, Avignon, France, 07-07-1990 Shri Mataji: Give her a chair. Give her a chair otherwise she won't be able to play harmonium. Ah, [Hindi] Can you keep it up there? Ah. On that. [Hindi] You can move that. Come on. Have a sit there. Sahaja Yogi: We would like to present you with a "Bharood" [Marathi religious song] by Sant Eknath. It's a song that, in a style that is designed to teach people what will happen to them if they don't behave in a, in the correct way. In this particular song, Sant Eknath is talking about what happens to people if they're not if they trick people badly. If they are, if they are rude to them if they cheat them. Sant Eknath gives example in particular of Duryodhana who took Draupadi and humiliated her in his court and it was eventually his brother, the brother of Duryodhana drag Draupadi into the court to be humiliated. And was eventually punished by Bhishma, punished by Bhishma in a dual. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In reality, there are only four people that Sant Eknath mentions who are free from any kind of problem in his regard. For example, Bhishma and Hanumana those two are examples. Sant Eknath concludes the song inviting us to be sweet with each other and not to abuse each other. Otherwise - cause if we do, then our fate is a very ugly one. Babamama: Give me a microphone for tablas. Shri Mataji: When standing, they will wait. Sahaja Yogi: Yes. Shri Mataji: So, all of you can sit there like this only. Patrick! Sahaja Yogi: Yes. [Music starts.] Sahaja Yogi: We have another song for you. This time it's a village's song, a folk's song from Uttar Pradesh. The context of the song is a group of villagers on a way to a festival at Prayag in the month of Magha which is January or February. And Prayag is a place where the two holy rivers of India, Ganga and Yamuna, meet. So, in the first verse, the villagers are singing the praises of Prayag where the rivers meet, and for this reason, it's a holy place, a place of pilgrimage. In the second verse, they explain how Ganga comes from Haridwar, which is also a place of pilgrimage because Ganga has come down from the heaven in that place. So it has come from Haridwar, which is a popular place of pilgrimage, to Prayag which is also a place of pilgrimage. [Music starts.] Lady [on harmonium]: Come here, on the same line. You go a little bit that side. Ok, very good. Shri Mataji: Ah! This reminded me of my own marriage when I went to my husband's house. They all used to sing like this only there. So, it's wonderful, the way they have sung it, absolutely with complete pronunciation, everything, it's wonderful. I was just enjoying it. Thank you very much. And I hope you all have enjoyed too. [Applause] Lady [on harmonium]: The group of students who are sitting in front of you, on the stage, have been learning classical music at Garlate house near Milano, I hope you - all of you know Garlate house. And they covered about seven ragas. Among these ragas, they learnt Marva raga which is the favourite raga of Shri Mataji. And they will sing what we call the chutta khayal [composition] in ektaal [12 beats]. First, they will sing the aroha [ascending scale] and pakad [melodic theme] of raga Marva and then sargam [singing notes]. Shri Mataji: Aroha is ascend Lady [on harmonium]: Aroha is, are the ascending notes of the raga. And Avaroha are the descending notes of the raga. And pakad are the group of notes typical of that raga, so that the raga can be recognized when those notes are sung. And they are singing the chutta khayal in ektaal. And before singing the chutta khayal, they will sing sargam. Sargam, they will sing also in double rhythm. And chutta khayal, they will sing with alap and taans [first and second part of the raga]. I hope all of you will like it and Shri Mataji will also like what they sing in the present. [Music starts.] [Applause] [Cut in the video] Lady [on harmonium]: Is a prayer composed by Guru Dev Rabindranath Tagore in raga Bhairavi. "Antara Mama Bikoshito Karo, antara tara hey." The devotee is praying to the God that: "Let my inner being be enlightened." "Nirmala karo, ujjwala karo, sundara karo hey." Nirmala, you know: Shri Mataji's name is Nirmala, pure. Absolutely pure. "Mangalo karo" make it holy and make it beautiful. So, this prayer is being sung by the students who were studying semi-classical in raga Bhairavi and this will be the last song. [Music starts.] [Applause] [Cut in the video] Babamama: In a bus and we had a lot of discomfort in the sense that we were not feeling free. But when we came into this wonderful land of Italy, we were feeling very, very free and we were also feeling very hungry. Maybe, it has something to do with the Nabhi, I'm sure. But then, in order to keep my Sangeet Sarita members happy, I was trying to sing a raga which is known as Chandrakauns. It's a very, very dynamic raga. And close to that raga is another raga known as Malkauns. And there is a difference of only one note in these two ragas. And, as I was singing I was talking to Guruji and I was saying that if we add this note of one raga into another, I think we will create a beautiful raga. And he immediately got up and he started singing with that additional note and a new raga was born. Just, just in the bus, a new raga was born. And then, we had to give a name and Guruji gave a very, very dynamic very sahaj name: he called it "Chaitanya Ranjani" [vibrations; to be rejoiced] which will entertain your Chaitanya. This is a raga which is going to be played for the first time. Even in India, my sister will bear me out that this has not been played before, anywhere. So, you can imagine what's a headache is done to this poor Babamama who knew very little about music. He's gone so dynamic that he is creating ragas! [Laughter] [Applause] Babamama: This will be played to you by one and only Guruji on the violin and our young artist Nasir khan. Guido, could you please take down completely... as it is obstructing the view. It has to be removed completely. I was discussing this raga with my other sister; where is she? I can't see. She must be sitting on side. So, she was saying as to: "How could you create this raga?" And she herself replied: "It is because of your concentration in music." "That, that is because you put your heart and soul in something and you will achieve." So, when you have to have creativity, your attention is the most important equipment. So, you put your attention on something and you are bound to create if your attention is fully on that subject. Out of the twelve brothers and sisters that we are, my dear sister is a subtle artist and was blessed with this voice and the gift of music and we used to have music every day in the house. I was a very playful boy, but in between, I used to go and listen to this music. And that has been registered with me and it is coming so helpful now so that we can transfer this culture of India through this music to all the Sahaja Yogis. It's a tremendous feeling. Now, I will first tell you as to what the two ragas are and then I will tell you how they have been blended. So you will be able to appreciate the difference. First, a very brief introduction of the members of the Nirmal Sangeet Sarita who are on the stage: Sandesh Popatkar on the tabla. Then our Guruji, mister Prabhakarji [Dhakde] on the violin. And, two years ago this young artist Nasir Khan was here, he was then the baby of the team. He has lost that status of being a baby because he's become, he is going to become a father very shortly. And- but his sitar has improved immensely over the two years. And now I will ask Prabhakarji to first play the ragas as they are. The two ragas. Now, first, he will play the Chandrakauns. One minute, the tuning. Now, this is Chandrakauns he is playing. Now, this is the original raga, Chandrakauns. Pakad notation. Acha [Hindi]. Now, I'll ask Nasir to play Malkauns. See the notation. The only difference of one note. Now, the new raga. Only the notations. OK. Now, the "Chaitanya Ranjani" for your Chaitanya. Thank you. [Music starts.] Antonio, people here can come here in the front. Shri Mataji has suggested a new name for this raga. Since this is a gift from the disciple to the guru, and guru is synonymous of "Purnima" that is the full Moon, Shri Mataji says that this raga should be called "Chaitanya Purnima". That means - [Applause] I think this is the biggest award a disciple can expect from a guru, that She has blessed this raga with a very wonderful name. Jai Shri Mataji. [Applause] [Here comes the second sitar player, Nishat Khan, with his tablas player.] Nishat Khan: You are lucky because Shri Mataji is speaking about you. All of you. "Chers amis, bonsoir". [French meaning "Dear friends, good night."] [Applause] Thank you. [No sound.] Because I wanted to drive in Rome, I wanted to drive, so I said: "We will take the car." So we took the car and as you know that it's very difficult to find parking in Rome, like in Paris, yes. More difficult. So, for about twenty minutes, we went around, around and around, looking for a parking place. Twenty minutes later, I suddenly noticed a small gap in front of the restaurant. I took my car and I went into this gap. And in front, there was a poster of Shri Mataji smiling. [Laughter] [Applause] The smile on that poster was very knowing. I'm very- I'm very touched and very moved that we have been chosen as one of the musicians to play in this elated evening. Indian classical music is based on ragas, melodies which we call ragas, and ragas are emotions, ragas are mood, it's an emotion. And different ragas have different emotions. And this evening, I chose to play a raga called Puriya, raga Puriya. [No sound.] Shri Mataji: Tomorrow is, as you know, we are going to celebrate the Guru Purnima. And all these artists, whom you see here, have become such great artists because of their dedication - of course through the art- but through their gurus. Complete dedication. And this is the key of their success: complete dedication to the guru. And to master any art, you have to have dedication and surrendering. And that's how these people have achieved such heights of perfection. That they have followed their gurus out and out absolutely, completely surrendering. And that is why today I'm happy that we have so many artists here, especially such a great artist of such fame before you. But if you ask him, he 'll tell you that he had to go through penance to master this art. And his own father is his guru. So what a difficult situation must be for the father of for the son. But as far as the art is concerned, there is no compromise. In the same way, as fas as spirituality is concerned, there is no compromise. Maybe, your guru is your Mother, but still, no compromise. So, may God bless you. [Applause] [Music starts.] Thank you very much for appreciating him so much. Actually, it is a tremendous speed, you see, the speed with which and the balance. Balance and the speed. We are living in an age of, we are living in an age of a jet, you see, we're living in an age of speed and in that speed, we have to keep the balance and the rhythm. That's what you have to learn is to keep the balance and the rhythm and then you have to come to the first beat, that is the Spirit. So, how you are bound, may go anywhere with any speed, keep the speed, keep the balance and come back to the same first beat which is the Spirit, is the- that's how it works out. And the speed with which he is playing, I tell you, this is a very great, modern also, a kind of a blessing that there is a speed in the atmosphere. And everywhere there's speed and - but in that speed to have the balance is only possible when you practice what you call "riyaz" is quite deep and you do it with your whole attention and whole heart. Then only, otherwise it's not possible such a speed that he has. What a tremendous speed! [Hindi] Speed [inaudible] -you see, have you noticed the speed with which he was playing? And have you noticed the balance that he had? And how he was rhythmic? Rhythm, he never missed, you see, he's very good as we call it the [inaudible] [Shri Mataji laughs] like. So he is, tablavala is another- Babamama: Tablavala is very sahaj Mother. Shri Mataji: Sahaj! And he is absolutely relaxed and he is playing so well. He's beautiful. And that is what kind of a tablavala you need for a music like this where he has to be most unassuming and he is supporting all the time the artist, should be the point. I'm very happy you all are enjoying it so much and that you are appreciative of him cause, after all, it's a - we have been brought up in this kind of [inaudible] style. In my family, from my childhood, I have been earing nothing but classical music and all my life. I've never known even one minute in my house then, where the music is not there: somebody singing in this room or somebody singing in that room, whatever may be the situation, there is music on. So, for my ear it is tremendous but to my heart also. And the way he has played, I must thank him very much on your behalf. From his heart, he has played, from his heart. Nishat Khan: It's only to her presence that this can happen. You all know this also. [Applause] [No sound] Nishat Khan: "Avion" [plane] means "air" isn't it? "Wind" in French. "Avion" is wind. Babamama: He says it is "guide" "avion" is "guide". Nishat Khan: No, "avion", "avion". Guido: "Avion"? Nishat Khan: Is what? Guido: "Avion" is airplane. Nishat Khan: Airplane. There's a lot of "avion" in the Avignon. [Laughter] Shri Mataji: If you see, the sitar he has got a rakhi to it, you see? You all know what is rakhi is. So the sitar is his sister. And the sisterly love is the purity of love, absolute pure love, you see. And the sister is the protector of the brother. So, this is how they tie rakhi to a sister, you see? I hope you have noticed it. [Hindi] Shri Mataji: There is a circus on and it's a nice contrast to see the difference between the two. [Shri Mataji laughs] Shri Mataji: This is the raga which is called as Durga as you must have heard it before also, and it's quite a difficult raga and also it is only with the five notes it is played and there are very few ragas like that. And one of them is Gunakali raga which is also played with the same style. And I was surprised that in certain countries, they only know one raga. Like Bhairava, it's a- it's the only raga they know in Iran. Whether it is morning, evening, afternoon, they sing just that one raga is Bhairava. And I was surprised, I heard Gunakali in Japan. Nishat Khan: Ah, ah. Shri Mataji: Japanse have only idea of Gunakali, I don't know how they got it. But only Gunakali nothing else. Nishat Khan: Absolutely. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. That's all. One raga they are masters. Nishat Khan: They are mastering that raga. Shri Mataji: One, but morning, evening, [Hindi]. And in a way, these ragas are morning ragas. Bhairava especially is a raga all the time they sing without any discrimination. But this is the time for Durga really. Just before awakening, the mother is calling that: "Get up now and meditate." Ah! How beautiful it is, just see. [Music starts.] [End of music.] Shri Mataji: Now, their last raga is Bhairavi. It has to be played in the old traditional ways and it's a raga that is in praise of the power of, we can say, of the Spirit. Because it is a- it has such beautiful notes and [Hindi]. Notes which are - it's a complete "sampurna" it's a complete "aga" it's a "Purnima". Hey? [Babamama in Hindi] Shri Mataji: All the twelves notes are in it. So, you see, it's such a complete raga and it has to be played in all due respect to it. Babamama: And it is a ragani Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: It's a ragani regarded as you see, because - [Shri Mataji laughs]. Now, as you know that the heart chakra has got – heart chakra has got twelve petals. And the Durga resides on the heart chakra. Now, the Durga's qualities are that she is protective of her children. She's very gentle, very soft with her children. And she is extremely horrifying to the crooks, to the satanic people, to the negative people. So, in this raga, I think because the- there are - it's spaced out, the notes are spaced out. So, either you could play it slow or you could play it fast. Nothing in between. That's why it is on a Durga style, you see. Either she's extremely gentle or she is extremely horrifying. So, because she has a double function, is one is to look after her children and another is: protect her children from the devils. So she has to be very quick about it to fight them and to, in every way, to frighten them and to be alert about them. So, in the second part, you all became very alert I saw it. The first part, you were having a lullaby because it was the mother's love that was playing. But the second part, you became alert because she has to fight. Now, this is such a nice raga because it gives you a better sense of security within yourselves. Will give you a sense of security. And also as you know, medically that it's important to build up this chakra because that gives you antibodies created more so to fight all the diseases, to fight all the foreign things which try to attack us. So, this raga is so apt, absolutely apt for today's atmosphere and for today's need, that we have to have the security of the Mother and the protection of the Mother. And that all the evil forces must be finished from this world. And that's how this raga has a very great significance and I thank you very much for feeling this raga, see. [Applause] This is the now last five minutes he would like to play, he asked the Bhairavi which is a complete raga as you can call, is the complete Purnima. All the - all the notes are there. And it is played in various ways, is in various styles and is used for so many expressions of your feelings and things. But in this also, there's a beautiful one of a song as you know, Dayani Bhavani is the one which is a song about the Mother Goddess. And in this [inaudible] there's a little mixture in the- I don't know if it is an absolutely pure Bhairavi or not. [Hindi] It is to be played absolutely in Shuddha Bhairavi. [Hindi] It should be played in absolute Shuddha Bhairavi. [Hindi] It is to be played absolutely in pure Bhairavi. This is the best way because Bhairavi is the name of the Goddess. So, that will be the- [Hindi] So, this is the purity of it, purity of it creates that feeling and that- I mean it awakens that Deity so that you get that effect with the Bhairavi. [Hindi] Ah! She, my sister is accepting that they may make some mistakes in the Shuddhata [unsure]. Which I detected, you see, I'm not such a musician as you are, but I did detect that there's a little bit [inaudible] Indian music has such a lot of freedom, I mean, such a lot of freedom. Ah! You can do what you like with it but only thing that you have to keep to the ragas and you have to keep to the "swaras" [notes] and everything and you cannot just go crazy from one to another like that. So, it is like a big aeroplane which is going in the air with everything completely fixed properly, you see, so it can go anywhere. Unless and until you it's fixed by its own maryadas, it cannot go. So, that has to be there. So, first the ragas are built. And built in such a way, that they are absolutely perfect. And then you can go wherever you feel like. And then you can go wherever you feel like, nothing will happen. [Hindi] Babamama: Then it will become jazz Shri Mataji. Shri Mataji: Jazz. Or even worse than that, could be. Ah, ah. First, he will play all the twelves notes which are moved in Bhairavi. And then you see how he keeps to them. He keeps to that mood that way. Woah, wah. It's the heart chakra. it's the heart chakra of Shiva. Surrendering. The surrendering, you see, as Islam means "surrender". Islam is the "surrender". He's been calling [inaudible]. Now, this is the call [inaudible]. Shri Mataji: What an enjoyment! What an enjoyment! Tremendous! Please, be seated. I have to especially thank him for one thing that he has now prepared really for you, the Guru Purnima for you. He's worked it out really very well. I can see that, I can feel it. It has worked within ourselves that depth and that beauty. And now with music, you see, it's this excavation within ourselves, you see. Facing it within yourself. All these things with music become not only harmless but also so gentle, that you don't feel that it is happening. It just works. You see, the- like very gentle waves you see, it works within you and you start developing that personality which is very important for a function like Guru Purnima. And the beauty and the joy, they all work it out so beautifully that you don't feel that it is all working, but I know it's really. But, supposing, if I say something as a Guru, maybe I may hurt you. You may feel upset and you also may feel facing yourself a little bit, sometimes reluctant maybe diffident. You might feel little sort of dejected or depressed. Or you may feel sometimes also if elevate you, you might feel egoistical, you see. So the words could be, could not render service as properly as the notes can because the notes just penetrate within you and work it out so smoothly that you don't feel it's working there. It's working no doubt. It's like mantras it works, like mantras only. And when it's enlightened notes, it has a great effect. I haven't brought you photographs where, when you are playing before Me, you go into complete lights. I have got those photographs with Me. Of course, also we have got the [inaudible]. And we have got photographs, now, tomorrow we will be able to show you, where the lights change their forms, how through vibrations, how they change their forms, you see. And how the vibrations work it out, you see? But the, even the notes are used by vibrations as "vahanas" [vessel]. The notes are used and the notes take the vahana's position and they penetrate. When there is somebody: you are singing before a Realized soul or an evolved personality, then the Chaitanya flows within you. But notes are very helpful, I've seen, the beautiful notes, and in harmony, you see. It's so much in harmony with you, that you don't feel the penetration. You don't feel the injection, you don't feel the going within you. Just it works and it just moves and I was seeing your brain also opening out quite a lot because the heart is so much connected with your brain now, you are integrated. So it's wonderful and you are all becoming thoughtless and beautiful. I think you all have enjoyed his things and we have to thank him very much because our Guru Purnima day that he agreed to come and has done the job halfway for Me. I'm thankful to him that now, even if I say something, you won't feel hurt. [Laughter] [Applause] It is nice to be a Mother. Mother is a very easy thing, it's to just to express your love and the children are nice. But for a Mother to be a Guru is the most difficult task. And that, if I have to do, a Mother to be a Guru, then I think this preparation is a very good idea because first of all, now, you are smoothed out and you are much better so it's all right, as a Guru I can tell you some things. Otherwise, for a Mother to be Guru is the worst thing that she can do and to act as a Guru but sometimes, you have to be corrected. But I think this one has created a beautiful atmosphere and I am very thankful to him for this preparation of your minds and your brains. Nishat Khan: We are very honoured and, as I said in the beginning, I'm extremely honoured. And, of course, it's very difficult to use words on how I feel at this moment. Because to be invited to play for Guru Purnima is a great blessing for us. And it's your blessing and it's a great honour and we would have been very disappointed if you had not invited us to play today. Shri Mataji: I was anxious that you should be invited actually. Nishat Khan: Thank you. Shri Mataji: That you should be here and you should do this because you see, if you have seen the mid-career that you do, with that you were pulling the strings of their hearts, I could see it clearly the importance, you see. Some or other, I thought I can work through you better than through my own words. It's an indirect way of working out things like this and you have been very, very helpful, cooperative. Nishat Khan: Bas Shri Mataji: I'm thankful to you for this wisdom. So, I don't know how to also say something about Indian music. But I can definitely say that the way you are appreciating Indian music is really very creditable. I just can't understand really how you people are so much appreciative of this music. I'm just- it's the Spirit or whatever you may say something remarkable and even the artists are so enamoured by that. To see such a - Nishat Khan: Absolutely. Shri Mataji: Absolutely. They're having rapport and all that. They are very much enamoured by you. Nishat Khan: Wonderful. Shri Mataji: And they are very thankful to you the way you are just following every note and every movement with such intense concentration. Nishat Khan: But it's your blessings Mataji, it's your blessing that this whole atmosphere Shri Mataji: Yes. Nishat Khan: worked out like this. Otherwise... Shri Mataji: Really more for - I don't know whom to thank. You or their aim. But I think it is mutual thanking is needed because you were enjoying him and he was enjoying you. Otherwise, it would not have been possible. Without a proper audience, artist also doesn't get the encouragement to play so well. [Hindi] Audience has to have a rapport otherwise [Hindi] You have not put anything for the Russians so far here? [On the map] Nishat Khan: There are too many there, it seems. Shri Mataji: Just simple thing like that. Moscow and then Kyiv. Guido: Moscow, Leningrad. Shri Mataji: Kyiv also. [Hindi] A little gift for him from you all. Only what I can tell him is to keep the music on. [Hindi] [Applause] So, now for- what should I say? "Good morning" to you? [Laughter] I think still that will be about- till twelve o'clock you can have rest. Then we'll see you. All right? May God bless you. Thank you [Hindi] Shri Mataji: What an enjoyment! What an enjoyment! Talk with subtitles at : https://youtu.be/NcI7HK471xo?t=19287 Second video: (camera 2) Please, be seated [Hindi]... Lady [on harmonium]: Don't cross the limits of Shri Mataji's chair. You, there. All right. Sahaja Yogi: So with Shri Mataji's blessings, and thanks to the teaching of Maushi [aunt in Marathi] , we would like to present you with a Bharood [Marathi religious song] by Sant Eknath. It's a song that, in a style that is designed to teach people what will happen to them if they don't behave in a, in the correct way. In this particular song, Sant Eknath is talking about what happens to people if they're not if they trick people badly. If they are, if they are rude to them if they cheat them. Sant Eknath gives example in particular of Duryodhana who took Draupadi and humiliated her in his court and it was eventually his brother, the brother of Duryodhana drag Draupadi into the court to be humiliated. And was eventually punished by Bhishma, Lady [on harmonium]: Bhishma, Bhishma [Bema] Sahaja Yogi: Bhishma [Bema] who was punished by Bhishma in a dual. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In the same way, Ravana who kidnapped Shri Sita was duly punished by Shri Rama. And so on in many cases. In reality, there are only four people, that Sant Eknath mentions who are free from any kind of problem in his regard. For example, Bhishma and Hanumana, those two are examples. Sant Eknath concludes the song inviting us to be sweet with each other and not to abuse each other. Otherwise - cause if we do, then our fate is a very ugly one. Babamama: Give me a microphone for tablas. Lady [on harmonium]: ...For their very kind and very appreciate for their treatment, and everything that they did for me and my daughter I have no words to give them my gratitude. And then I need not add that my greatest thanks are to Shri Mataji. [Applause] [Music starts.] Babamama: Shri Mataji has suggested a new name for this raga. Since this is a gift from the disciple to the guru, and guru is synonymous of "Purnima" that is the full Moon, "Chaitanya Purnima". That means - [Applause] I think this is the biggest award a disciple can expect from a guru, that She has blessed this raga with a very wonderful name. Jai Shri Mataji

7/8/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=2188

Guru Puja: Detachment, Silence, Faith

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Guru

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Guru puja. Avignon (France), 8 July 1990. In Sahaja Yoga the Guru puja has a very different significance from any other guru puja. When you worship your Guru you are also worshiping the Guru within you. This is not in any other guru-disciple system because, in you, the Guru, the Master has been awakened. And so, when you are worshipping your Guru, then this Master within you is also worshipped, you respect it, you glorify it, you awaken it, and you manifest it. This we have to realise that - in Sahaja Yoga - if you are a Sahaja Yogi. Now, the quality of Guru, first and foremost, is that he makes you meet God: means he raises the Kundalini and establish the relation between the All-pervading Power. And as your Guru is Adi Shakti, you make that person meet, also, the Adi Shakti. So you have a double advantage that, at the same time, when you give them Realisation, not only that you make them feel the union with the Divine Power, but you can make them meet the Divinity Itself, the source of Divine Power. So your responsibility, as Sahaja Yogis, is very great because in you is there is the Guru. Now in our mantras we say that, “Mother, I am my own Guru.” But, saying that, do we realise that: if I am my own Guru, this "I" and "my Guru," between the two, what have I achieved? Where am I? Can I guide myself? Have I got the light of the Spirit on my attention so well established and manifested that I can guide myself and guide others later on? First of all, in the Guru principle it is important that you see to yourself - the introspection: Can I be my own Guru? Have I become my own Guru? Now, in your case, your Guru is a Mother, a woman, so, it has to be among women that the development of their Guru qualities have to be very well manifested. But it's just the way it is not. For them, they are still the mothers or they are the wives or they are Sahaja Yoginis. But they don't realise that you are also the Gurus. And, because your Mother is a Guru, because She is a woman; and you have to be also of that quality, that people should say, “Look at this woman, she's such a Guru.” But still, as I hear from the different leaders that the ladies are absolutely still very much far away and are very few who can be called as real Sahaja Yoginis. It's a sad thing to hear. Because if you still keep to all these mundane things of womanhood and the drawbacks of womanhood, which has come out of domination maybe, because of always they were shown to be something lower. Specially in the Christian religion they were never regarded as something holy. They have this kind of a diffidence in them that they don't understand that dharma can be established more by women than by men. And the Guru's work is to establish the dharma - in the society, in the family, in relationships. All these Gurus, which are representing all these great symbols here, have done nothing but have established dharma. But, first of all, before establishing the dharma, we should watch ourselves - have we got dharma within ourselves or not? First of all, the quality of a person who has dharma is that he listens to others, he obeys. And this is something [that] has gone wrong with the Western women, I think, that they have forgotten how to listen to others, how to obey others. That's why their children also don't obey them. Obedience, if you do not have, nobody's going to obey you. First, you must learn to obey. A person like Kabira, because he was born of a unknown cast, people didn't know what he was born from, and he could not go directly to any Guru. So, he heard about Ramanand, a great Guru of those days, who used to go to the river Ganges every morning to have his bath. So one day on his steps Kabira kept lying, and in the darkness the Guru could not see, and he touched him with his feet. He said, “Who are you?” So he said, “I'm Kabir, and I'm your disciple.” And he caught hold of his feet. And when he caught hold of his feet, he [Ramanand] said, “Alright, come along!” And then he became such a great saint in India. People know him more than they know his Guru; he became so great. The basic thing is humility. Yesterday you saw how the musician [Nishat Khan] was humble. All the time he was humble. He didn't know how to express his humility every time. All the time he was humble. Because in humility only you can receive the blessings, you can receive the quality that is of your Guru. Now, for a Guru as you have seen that, in My own way, in My own image, you have to come up. First of all your life should be absolutely transparent. Transparency is the essence of Sahaja Yoga. Everybody should know what you are doing, where you are going, what is the way you live, what is the way you are behaving. I have seen people, who are gurus, also in the sense that we call them leaders, or we can call them sub-gurus, or they can not be called as priest, but I can say ‘communication centres’ as they are. In them you find that they are very fussy type of people. Always think about their body, always think about their comfort, always grudge about - nobody looked after them - as if they suffer from persecution-mania! Or they will grudge about food, “I didn't eat my food for one day!” Doesn't matter! For a Guru it's better to starve for about three, four days nicely, so that you get over this idea of hunger. You'll be surprised since I'm here I have not eaten anything much, and just drinking something, because just the Guru has no hunger. Because it is in your stomach the Guru, vibrations, are so much that you don't feel like eating anything. So then, what do you eat and how do you eat and all these things that we have given up to come to Sahaja Yoga. So even if leaders have this nonsense in their head [like] what do you get to eat! I mean, this is the basics, absolutely! And when I hear some people telling Me, oh, what did they eat and how did they eat and all! It's like I feel they are like tourists in Sahaja Yoga. Just come in Sahaja Yoga like tourists, you see, to see places and go round and to know where you get, in what restaurant, you get good food and cheaply. All this is so basically, absolutely not a manifestation of Guru Principle. Now you have seen your Guru as She is. I do not know what I eat, what they give Me, what I want. They go on giving Me whatever they think I like, and I just don't know if I like that thing or not, or what is it. If they ask Me, “Mother, what will You have?” I said, “What will I have, I don't know really, what will I have? Anything!” So there has to be no choices. First of all not to waste your attention on choices. Of course, only on vibrations. I mean, supposing, you go to a restaurant, find all kinds of funny vibrations there, people are getting drunk or anything, then of course you should say. But all the choices must be based on vibrations and not on material things. That you get something nice there, “Let's go there,” and they'll travel for fifty miles to go eat something nonsensical. It should be all nonsense for all Sahaja Yogis. And when I said “Sahaja Yogi” it means also Sahaja Yoginis. So the food part of it is aswadha. You should not have any taste for any special food. Specially in France to say that people may not like, but French are very, very conscientious or aware about the food part. I don't know how far they make really good food, but at least they think they eat very good food. So, the eating of good food is a kind of a addiction. It's a kind of an addiction; it's something like drug - that you must have good food. So Zen started this system of what they call the tea ceremony. In the tea ceremony what they did, I mean, I have been through that and it's really quite a test of people. With Me it was alright, but the rest of them got really frightened. That in the tea ceremony whatever rituals they do they give you a tea, which is so bitter, and we can say [like] quinine raised to power 108! It’s like that. And they give you very nicely, handle you with such ritual that you have to take it. So first they say, “You see the cup without thinking.” So he tried to make thoughtless awareness through the cup. I don't know how much one can achieve with that. But that tea if you take once, your tongue is good for anything. And to compensate it they give you something sweet, which is again sweetness raised to power 108, so sweet that it becomes bitter! So sweet. So this is just to conquer the tongue [that] Zen must have thought that better give them this tea ceremony where there is no tea, there's nothing but just you really give such shocks to your tongue, so that after that you can eat whatever you get. And that's why you must know that Japanese can eat anything. They have solved their food problem because they can eat anything! They can just fish out some crabs or could be some prawns, just peel them out like peanuts and eat them like that. I think Zen has solved this problem for them, because they have food shortage and this is how they can eat everything: they can eat the bark of the tree, they can eat the snake, they can eat the lizards, they can eat the frogs, everything they can eat, so all their eating problems are solved in that country by Zen, I think, because you have no taste. But in this I think the worst are, in the whole world are Indians. They are the fussiest people for food. Because their women have spoiled them. They know very good cooking and they know how to handle their husbands by cooking very well. And the way they cook food for them, you see, the men have to go back to Indian food. Even if they travel the whole world, they'll need Indian food, they can't get over their tongues. It is such a big conditioning in India of food that I just don't know how will they get out, the, absolutely, the basics which are important. Gandhiji tried that very much in the ashram (laughing). He used to give horrid food, boiled food with the oil of mustard on top and then nobody could eat that. Raw! And he used to make everybody eat that. Not only that, he would make them clean the bathrooms, WC's, everything so that you get rid of your nose also, that you need everything. Because so many people you will, while eating also in India will put something to their noses, and they smell everything. So they are oversensitive to their tongue and to their nose. But not to their eyes, to eyes they are not. For eyes I would say the most sensitive people are Japanese and Chinese and also the Western people are very much sensitive because they don't like to see anything dirty, filthy or ugly. Indians won't mind any dirt, filth, anything, just like dogs and what you call, horses or buffalos! They can walk through any dirt, filth - anything! Nothing matters to them, anything ugly, any ugly building or an ugly dress or anything is alright for them. It doesn't matter, to their eyes it doesn't matter at all. Only thing [is that] kitchen should be clean and they are all the time in the kitchen. So we don't have to learn all these bad things from Indians. There are some good things they have, but there are certain things [which] are very bad conditionings. And the next to that are, I think, the French. But if you eat English food you can become quite good because there's no taste in English food (laughter and applause). So, I have no problem anywhere because I think I have no taste at all and I can eat anything any way it is cooked, it's alright, I don't bother about what is cooked, what is not cooked. But if you have some French people for a dinner in a restaurant they will spend forty-five minutes deciding what they are going to eat, and what a waste of energy! Forty-five minutes just to decide what they are going to eat! After all what is so great, what you are going to eat? It's all there. Just one thing that everybody should have. So for Sahaja Yogis it's important to give up this idea, “I will have this.” First of all nobody should ask, “What will you have?” To Me also. I do not like people asking Me questions [like], “What will You have?” Because I've to think about it and I want to be in Nirvichara (laughter and applause). So, this is a, one, big ordeal, which we do not understand: how much we are attached to food. And food goes in the stomach. And not only that it spoils our guru system, but also spoils our physical system. So we should try not to look at food. That's why fasting was told to the all the people who wanted to develop their Gurupada, so that they should not fast. But they do not fast normally because they think of food, so there's no fasting. I mean, fasting means that you go into nirvichara and don't think of food. But they are all the time thinking of food, so it has no meaning and you are just the same whether you eat it or not, your mind is eating it all the time. Then you start thinking, “When will I end my fast and know where will I go to have what?” So this is a very basic thing that we should get rid of our habits, of our conditionings - what we are going to have and what food we are going to have. Our children also should be given a proper training about it that - it's alright, sometimes there is no salt, sometimes there's no sugar, doesn't matter. And sometimes there's nothing, doesn't matter. Nothing [is] important for a Sahaja Yogi, you can live without food for days together, no problem. So for a Sahaja Yogi there's nothing like taste of food and hunger. There's only one hunger is to be purified, to be clean. This is one of the things that dirties our mind, we should say, that we think about food all the time. Even in Russia I found people carried all Indian things there, they were cooking all Indian things, and I am, poor thing, I can't eat anything. So they cooked, brought everything for Me, thinking I'm an Indian, but they don't know I am Zen - I cannot, I do not, have sense of taste. So once, to get over taste one has to work out. It's an experiment you have to do with ourselves. Unless and until we introspect ourselves and do experiments we cannot rise. Because though the Kundalini is trying her level best, but your conditionings are so great that it cannot pierce through and cannot make you onto that Guru level. If you see the lives of all these Gurus: they were married, they had children, they lived a normal life but in their own personal life they were absolutely detached people. So, first detachment should come from food. And there whatever you like you just don't eat. That's the best way. Because already because of liking something…supposing if somebody's fond of ice-cream. He must have already spoiled his liver; so then, give [it] up now. If you like pasta, give up pasta. If you like something else, just give up, don't ask for it and don't eat it at all; so that, you see, your mind will get little bit detached from it. It's very easy to achieve this detachment, I think, if you work it out in a sensible way. Just try to punish your body. You see, if you are your Guru, you better take hold of first of all your body and your conditionings. You have to treat your body with this thing. I am told many girls who have married abroad are still making their Indian food and eating that. It’s horrible it is! They should starve. If they starve for say about five, six days or maybe eight days, then they'll eat any food in any case. That's why the fasting is given. So one should adjust oneself to any kind of food you can have. And if you want to survive then you eat anything, so just make it a point that you get rid of this very simple conditioning you have - of liking the food that you want to eat and you don't want to have anything else. I think as Sahaja Yogini or Sahaja Yogi who cannot get rid of this little thing, then how can you call him a Sahaja Yogi? I don't know. He's very asahaj. Because the other day I met one lady. I said, “What is the matter, where have you been?” She said, “I have been looking out for some sort of an Indian ingredient.” I said, “How can you get it here in this Spain? You cannot.” “Why?” “Because they asked me to make Indian food.” “Alright. Then without that can't you make Indian food? What is the need to run all the way, whole day for a one small little thing called hing (asafoetida)?” There's a big name for that, it's a small little thing. Just to get that she had to run all over the places to get it! So for people who are Sahaja Yogis if they are sahaj, whatever is available you can make something nice out of it and eat it. So that shows what? It shows sagacity, shows trupti (तृप्ति - contentment), shows your satisfaction. And that is one of the manifestations of a Guru that he's a satisfied soul. He's just self-contained, he doesn't bother. Now, for example, some people, specially in the West, thank God, they are not spoiled by their wives so much. They don't have so much of conditioning, they can eat anything. I've seen that when they come on the India tour, all the Indians say, “Horrid food was given and the poor things were eating that horrid food and this and that.” And I asked them, “Which place you like the best?” They said, “Brahmapuri.” I said, “Eh? They were saying Brahmapuri had the worst food and everybody is complaining.” “No, no. Brahmapuri was the best, because we could bathe in the river and we could sing and we could enjoy it!” You see, that's the sign of one thing, to get rid of your bad habits of food business. Now the second part is for the body you need comforts. I must congratulate the Western Sahaja Yogis that they may be coming from any walk of life - I must say, the Indians have to learn from them - they may be coming from any position or status. All of them enjoy the comfort of the Spirit when they travel in the Tour. They do not ask for, “I haven't got a chair, I haven't got a bed, I haven't got a proper things here.” In this way, you see, you will realise that the body comfort is of no importance. It’s, we have just spoilt our body, there's no need, no need. Body you put it anywhere, will sleep in any case. If you cannot sleep for two nights, alright, put on some music for one night or two nights as we had here, you will sleep anyway! (laughter and applause as everybody fell asleep during the Nishat Khan performance the night before) So this is the second point is that we have to give up body comfort. But the third point where I think the Western people falter is their materialistic attitude. Materialistic attitude and their fondness of their eyes. So one of them is the worst of all. I mean, the worst in worst of all is that you can never have, that's such a big blot if you have that is to have a roving eye and things like that. It’s out of question. That’s out of question for women or for men. They are not Sahaja Yogis by any chance. They have to have very clean eyes. That part is alright. And the second part is the greed, lust and greed. Of course, with Sahaja Yoga maybe the lust part is over, but greed is still there with so many who get lost. So I would say Indians do not have this lust problem, but they still have greed, greed problem - means they want to buy something like a radio or some electrical stuff they must buy. If they come abroad they must buy something. It's alright, if you get it, well and good, if they don't get it, well and good. It should be [that attitude]. But for a Westerner, you see, he would not like to give up his furniture, which his great grandmother had it. Though he can't sit on it because it's so old. If he sits on it, it will be break. But he must keep it to show off that, “I had a great grandmother who gave this unique chair.” According to Indian standards it's junk! Absolute junk. Because it is good for nothing you put it in the drawing room, nobody can sit on it and it looks junky. But according to the Western mind the older it is, the better - whether it is a junk or anything - he'll have so many junks in the house and they will sell like hot cakes. Because there's a very subtle materialistic attitude towards matter that, “This will sell like hot cakes if I sell it,” because there must be another mad Westerner who would like to buy that junk. You see? So this junk that you have in the house it’s better to get rid of, because God knows how many people must have used [it]. It’s like a grave in the house. It's a grave. So to have then also the antique jewellery. Antique jewellery is another mad, antique is a - what you can say - is the fad or addiction of the Western people - antique. For us nothing is antique because we still produce antique things, beautiful things so Indians don't understand the value of antiques. They don't understand how these people are so mad after torn things and broken things and dirty things and filthy things! But the Western mind has been brought up that way. Now, in these antique things I have seen that, once I went to somebody's house, you see, and he asked Me with very great honour to sit on his chair. And as soon as I sat on the chair I thought there were snakes and there were scorpions all biting Me. I got a fright, I got up. I said, “What is it?” He said, “This is from great, great, great grandmother, you see, she gave us this thing.” I said, “It will break, I better sit outside.” (laughter) So this also madness of this antique is so much that it is unbelievable how people go into it. So there's a joke in India there's a very great writer called as Premchand, he wrote about two Englishmen going on the road of Benares when they were hit by a lota (metal pot), that they use for their bathrooms, fell on their feet. And it fell on their feet. And jokingly he says, “on the feet where all the bureaucrats fall.” Means, all Indian bureaucrats used to fall at the feet of the English at that time! So he made a joke. But doesn't matter. Then the English, you see, looked at that thing and they were very angry and immediately they took to law, “You have to come to the courts, you have to come to the police and we're going to report this has fallen there, it has hit us,” and all that. So there was a clever man, he knew the English or the Western mind, he said, “Sir, do you know this, this lota has very valuable!” He said, “Why?” “Because this one was used by Akbar the Great. So ancient it is. ” He said, “Really?” “Yes it is and, you know, you just don't quarrel with them. And ask them for this lota.” And he told in Indian language to them that, “I have befooled these people, I have told them that this lota belonged to Akbar and you have to take this lota and use this lota to just to befool them.” So then they asked, “But alright, we'll forgive you, we'll not take you to any courts or anything, but you just give us this lota.” They said, “No, we can’t." He said, “Why?” “Because it's such an antique piece, you see.” In India you won't find anybody respecting antique pieces, especially in Benares nobody bothers. (Laughter) So they said, “Really?”, “Yes, it belonged to Akbar and, you know, my father was, my forefathers worked with him, so he gave us this lota, we can't give you, we are sorry, you see.” “No, no, no, no, please give us, you see, and we'll no take you to the police.” “Alright, you charge us, whatever money you charge us,” and all that. In those days they paid one thousand rupees, you see, this is equal to, now, one crore (10 million), I think. They gave, these English paid them and bought that lota, which had nothing to do with Akbar or anyone. So this madness of antique has to go away from our minds. It's such a built-in thing within us, that we always talk of antiquities. Perhaps maybe because of wars everything was destroyed and whatever was in the olden times was something very beautiful and good and now we are not making very good things, perhaps, maybe that is the reason. But now we are making nice things, we can make. Now in England I was surprised the old crafts are coming up, everywhere I go the old crafts are coming up. So to respect antiques means you just stop making the old craft revive. Because you pay so much to the antiques, the same thing made today won't fetch the same price as it was. Now this has ruined our creativity, ruined our handwork and it has ruined our whole - I think the quality of our life, because the way we are mad after antiques. So this also should go from your head that anything antique is something good. It's a very superficial value - if you see to it. Because people think that antique is something expensive. It's just a marketing style that people have felt that this is expensive, that is expensive, so it's something great to wear something stupid and to say that, “this is antique jewellery,” and go about. I mean, God knows how many people must have used it and must have worn it and what must be the feelings of that person. So we have to understand that this conditioning that we have in our heads, that we must have something antiques with us, keep something of such value. I mean, these questions never arose before, so it's not written in any books. Anyone of the books of the Gurus is not written that, “Don't care for antiques.” They have written, “Don't drink, don't smoke,” all other things which spoils your Nabhi. They've written all these things. But they have not written that, “Don't worry about antiques so much.” You see, and I find that's a craze nowadays and so we have to tell people that we have to be careful. Moreover I feel the way people have gone to drugs and that, maybe that because they used so much antiques that the bhoots from the antiques must have caught them. Can't understand that why people are so melancholy, all the time crying, weeping, and all that. So the conditionings of these matter as we think it to be is to be absolutely taken out. Of course, I mean in certain countries we should say that the antique things [that] were made were good and nice. But, only because something is antique it should not be respected, [but] because of its intrinsic value of aesthetics, it's alright. But one has to see first of all the vibrations of everything. If the vibrations are good then you should accept, otherwise not, because we have the language of vibrations and we have to use the language of vibrations. Once you start using the language of vibrations you'll be surprised how you will get the complete picture as to what is to be done. So to get rid of these three conditionings too, for our body is very important. And the worst thing for a Sahaja Yogi [is] to think that he's sick: is a, sort of a, tarnishing the name of Sahaja Yoga. If you still feel you are sick you better get out of Sahaja Yoga! Because either you get well or you are not a Sahaja Yogi, one of the two things. If you are a Sahaja Yogi you have to see that you get well and if there are certain problems also - doesn't matter. Now, for example, supposing, I have certain problems, which I know, because of Sahaja Yoga, because of My position as the Mother, position as Adi Shakti: certain physical things I have to face, parasympathetic working I have to face, but I go through it! Is accepted. You have to accept your body as it is and you are not to sort of say that, “I'm not well,” and “There's something wrong with me,” and go on complaining like some old hag! Never think you are old, first of all. Never think that you have gone old or you are no good. Look at your Mother. I never think that way. Yesterday half of you were sleeping, still I was alert and listening to the music and today I'm again alert here. So if you have a Guru then that image should be with you that: “Look at our Mother. She's so old, how much She travels, how much She does!” Alright, you might say, She's the Adi Shakti! But little bit of shakti you too have. And that shakti is to be shown by your full dynamism. If you have no dynamism and if you still feel very weak that means you are not a Sahaja Yogi. So just ask for, ask for any amount of energy - it can come to you. That dynamism, it should be there. Now this I would say, for the physical self that one has to know that you are all younger and getting younger and younger, but not the stupidity of youth, but gravity, the gravity of the age. Actually I have seen children who are born realised, they are very grave, they won't do anything that is not dignified. And they will never, I've never heard them talking to some of - the Sahaja Yoginis have a bad habit of talking, “tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk,” among themselves. It's a very bad habit. Which shows that they [are] still very much lacking. Just wearing saris or wearing bindis you do not become a Sahaja Yogini. First of all, what is the gravity? You should only speak whenever it is necessary. So I have seen these Sahaja Yogis who are born realised children they stand like this before Me. And they say very few words, but beautiful words they speak. And say things, which you can remember all the time. They just do not go on wasting anything. And they are extremely obedient. So from them one can learn that these are born realised and the way their Guru principle is acting, are we also acting the same way? Or we are doing something that is not good for our ascent? So even after coming to Sahaja Yoga if you do not try hard to introspect yourself, you have missed the point that you compare yourself with your Guru - all the time. Now. Then everything has to be understood in the right perspective that we are Sahaja Yogis. Now for a Sahaja Yogi first and foremost thing [is] that he has to have love. First. For others, not for himself. If you are all the time worried about yourself, “My body is such, my this thing such, and I have to do this and that,” then you don't love others. But do you see to the comfort of others? Do you feel the compassion of other Sahaja Yogis? Do you feel, “What have I to bring for them? What is missing in them?” Do you work it out? Do you go out of the way to help them? First of all Sahaja Yogi s. Now Sahaja Yogis are different things. I have seen many Sahaja Yogis will go and take the side of the non-Sahaja Yogis and try to debase the Sahaja Yogis. Is a very wrong thing. You belong to this new race and the people who do not belong to this new race and if they are attacking anybody: these are your hands, your feet, your head, and if they attack it, it is duty bound that you help them instead of helping the others. Maybe something wrong with this person, doesn't matter. You need not show all the fair play there. In that place you should support a Sahaja Yogi out and out. Later on you may correct and you may tell that person, “You should not have done like this, it was wrong.” So this dignity and this understanding comes only through silence. But if you are chirping all the time, talking “tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk,” it can never, never can make you a deeper person. You'll be just flying in the air with all that. So for women now is best is to take to mauna, is to keep quiet, just keep quiet. They all the time want to talk. This I've heard from all the leaders that is a big problem with women. They just go on talking stories, telling stories. But if you ask them to come and speak, they will start shaking. How many can give speeches? Women? If you understand that if you cannot give a speech, you better not talk also. You should be able to give a speech because your Mother is a woman, She gives speeches. Why can't you give some speech? You cannot. If I make you stand here, you’ll be shaking, I know that. But if it comes to murmuring souls, you are there. So that is one thing women have to be very careful [about]. And as today is the Guru puja I have to tell you things, not as a Mother but as your Guru. That, if you have to ascend the best thing is for you to stop talking. “Maunam sarvatha sadhanam.” ‘Maun’ means to keep quiet. It gives you all kinds of facilities, just keep quiet. If somebody's talking too much, just keep quiet. If somebody's trying to criticise, keep quiet. That's your silence, that's your right, that's your domain that you can keep silent. Just watch that person. If it comes then to answer, then you can answer better. But if somebody's trying to attack ,you just keep silent. But this silence has to be established and one should only establish by not talking too much. I have seen also when I am sitting here, I have seen women talking among themselves, and this is very wrong. You must learn the silence. Like yesterday I saw so many ladies also were walking out, walking in. In the church will you do that? You won't do it. In the church there is no Christ, there's a horrible priest sitting there, but you cannot do it. You all keep quiet, you sit there nicely. I've never seen anybody walking out here and there and doing all kinds of things, putting the children in front like that, making them sleep. Never! Can you do that in the church? What a discipline people observe in that church, which is an artificial place. And where you are now, that kind of a silence has to be there and that kind of understanding, that depth, that awe has to be there. But because we have not yet developed that Guru thing. If we had developed it then immediately it will work out. You will see your gravity will show in your behaviour. So this is for our attention not to be wasted. To discuss somebody, to discuss about others' characters, we have no business. Do we discuss the character of one hand to another hand? To discuss about what has happened about marriages, things like that. Also marriage is just…in Sahaja Yoga it's not such an important thing. Some people pay too much attention to marriage, you see, and marriage becomes a headache. Also then, “What about my marriage?” Then again ten minutes you see that person, “What about my marriage?” Again after ten minutes, “What about my marriage?” You want to run away. I mean, you see, it's something becomes like a mania for people, “What should we do?” And the whole thing is, all depends, and the whole programming depends on how you are going to get married. So you have come to Sahaja Yoga, you are sanyasis. You are not married people in a way. You are married only to Sahaja Yoga, that's your husband, that's your wife. And the so-called husband and wife are there. But if they are not Sahaja Yogis then you are unmarried, definitely. So too much attention is paid in Sahaja Yoga to marriages. I have seen that before, marriage, before Sahaja Yoga, marriage was a joke; every third day there was a divorce and people would run away and do all kinds of things. Then when they got married after Sahaja Yoga they are the greatest romantic people ever known in the whole world! I mean, all ‘Romeo, Juliets' going about. I just don't understand. Even in the Indian villages people complain that, “What sort of these people are? I mean, they have no sense at all and the way they go round, are they the saints?” So that saintliness, that sanyasta, that asceticism has to be expressed in our married life. I don't mean that you don't have relationship with your husband but in a very private way. It's has to be extremely private and it should not be such a great thing to go into romanticism. You'll ruin the whole of Sahaja Yoga in the West if you start doing that nonsense! Because also there's an idea about it that, you see, you fall in love. But then you'll fall! That's the first point is. You will fall [but] you want to rise. So this attachment and this worry about the husband and this and that, I mean, you can carry on with any kind of a husband and wife if you are a Sahaja Yogi, should be able to. I mean, I know that's very simple. It’s a…your husband is a study, wife is a study, that's all. You study a person, what sort of a person he is. But for that you have to have the witness state and you have to see, you have to be detached. So in marriages one has to be detached. But, on the contrary, I find that just after the marriage they want to organise some special thing for them to go to some sort of a honeymoon or some sort of a thing! I don't know how these ideas crawl up. These are coming from the old conditionings of things and after honeymoon they come and say, “Mother, this marriage is not going to work out.” So it's better to do slow and steady and then decide. Because you just jump into honeymoon mood and come back and say, “Mother, this, I have started thinking and I don't think.” I know of a lady who was jumping with a Indian gentleman and she was on her way to Australia. In Singapore, she telephones that, “Mother, I don't think this marriage will work out.” And here everybody complained to Me, “Mother, these two are behaving in such a manner that Indians are rather embarrassed.” So the sense of shame you must learn from Indians. They never… husband and wife never sit together in India, is regarded as bad manners and it should be with you also. That, even in the puja, even in anything they are sitting in the public, what is the need to show your relationship in the public? It's only in the private. This is one of the things one, if you start understanding, there will be a proper adjustment. Men should be with men in the public, women should be with the women together. But the women or men, whatever they are, whatever are their bad, bad points should not be brought back. Like, I would say the men have jealousies and they have power orientation and they discuss about leadership and they, every, they get a shock if you tell them that you are not going to be a leader, as if they think leadership is something very concrete. It's the greatest myth ever going, is this leadership! There's nothing like leaders in this Sahaja Yoga, it's just a joke. And your Mother is very good at playing serious jokes. So be careful! Don't be childish about it. You have to understand that this is a big joke going on and it's just a testing point and if I test you wrong, you can tell Me, but I think this has worked well, because I can test people very well on that level and immediately I know when the person gets onto the horse of ego. So, for your mental attitude, has to be different and our priorities have to change. Our priorities have to change. What are our priorities? First and foremost thing is our ascent, is the first priority. For our ascent whatever is needed has to be done. If you have to punish your body, alright. If you have to punish yourself, alright. If you have a conditioning, get rid of it. Just introspect yourself, that is Self-realisation, is to know yourself. When you know yourself and know what is clinging onto it, just to remove it completely. Work it out the way you like. Work it out the way you like. You see, it is very important that the body, mind, everything should be your slaves. Nothing should dominate you. You should be on top of everything. How dare your body ask for anything? How dare your mind tells you anything? How this conditioning works on you? “I am a Sahaja Yogi, I'm above everything.” Like the lotuses have come out of the ponds, you have come out of it. We have so many proofs to show that you are realised souls. I'll show you some photographs that I have to show that there is light. I can put light into you, they are all enlightened people. But in My presence if you become the light, you must carry the light outside. Not only in My presence, but when you go out. But one of the reasons, I think, when I tell something people just start thinking about whom Mother is talking, they never think, “She is talking about me.” That's the only way you can penetrate within yourself when you see that, “Mother is talking about me, She's correcting me all alone and She's telling me.” Then only it will penetrate and it will work out. The priorities have to be changed and the first and foremost is your ascent and the Spirit and Sahaja Yoga. The rest is negligible, nothing important. Then the faith that there is this All-pervading Power, which is looking after us, is very important. This time the musicians came all the way. I must tell you the story of their travel. They came and they said that there's a train from Kiev and they also bought the tickets so got into the train and they were off-loaded before the Hungarian border. They didn't know what to do, they had no visas, nothing and not so much money also. They thought, “We are on the train.” They said, “No, you have to go cross over and go to Budapest,” and they didn't know where, they were standing on the road. And, but they were all laughing and enjoying, “must be something in store for us.” Nobody felt that they were in trouble or in anything. So surrendered. “So, suddenly,” they said, “the custom people came and surrounded them,” and they said, “What's the matter, how are you here with all these bags and baggages?” So they said, “Why are you here?” They said, “We have come for a concert and this, and musicians we are and all.” And some or other they started melting away. And then they gave them Realisation! Six of them got Realisation. Now can you believe: the power of love. And the custom officers they offered their own cars, took them down to the other side. It's never happened with custom officers! Imagine! It would be like shaving their teeth off, I tell you, the way (laughing) if you can do that to the custom officer! But it happened. And they came to the other side and left them there. Now they didn't know what to do. They wanted to go to Budapest, they had to walk about two miles or something to the station. So they were waiting there well, they said that, “Mother, You sent maybe, two Yugoslavs came in a big bus of 49 people - all vacant.” They stopped the bus and said, “What is it, why are you here?” So they said, “This is our problem and we have to go.” So they got into the bus. When he was driving them down, they thought of talking to him that, “Why not you take us to Milan?” And they managed! (laughter) And they were in Milan. It's so remarkable. So to have faith completely in yourself and in that Power, which is surrounding you. And once you have that faith you will realise that, though it is so helpful to you, it is so kind to you, on the same level if you think it, it can be very harmful. So then never listen to the Guru ninda, means anybody talks anything ill about your Guru, just put your hands to your ears, absolutely immediately. I have known of a person who did that [and] got cancer, another now in jail, another one there. So anybody is saying like that, just put your hands. Because now you know that - what is your Guru. So you should never hear anything against your Guru from anyone. The other day one gentleman asked Me a question, a newsman. He said that, “I am told you have made a castle for Yourself.” I said, “I have paid for it, I have made it also. It was a horrid place, no doubt. But there are only Sahaja Yogis staying there, I am not staying there. That's the best part.” But that's all I said. But on the contrary, they never go and ask these questions to any gurus on anything. Because the disciples say, “Yes, so what? We want to give to our guru money and this and that.” They never ask. But, through Sahaja Yoga, or [by] Myself, I have cured so many people of incurable diseases - I could have minted money. For curing one cancer patient I could have made a castle, Myself. So when people say like that you should say, “Do you know how many people She has cured? How much money She could have taken from them if She was a doctor or She was a false Guru? How much money She would have made out of all of them?” Then they will understand. You see, because they are being materialistic they talk like that. And their attitude is very different and so, to tell them off is the best way. Because I have seen that these press people are absolutely harassed by the disciples of the false Gurus. Just they cannot criticise, they cannot say a word against such false Gurus. While I find that Sahaja Yogis still lack that complete faith in themselves and complete assertion. Where you have to assert you must assert. For example, anybody says something wrong against Me, you have to assert; must say, “No, not possible. It’s not!" But I have seen some people asking Me funny questions who are ‘Sahaja Yogis’ also! So the first part is that to see how much we are sensitive to spirituality. I have seen Sahaja Yogis supporting somebody who is so negative, you can't even bear that person and, [to them], such a person is something great, while somebody who is so good they cannot make it out. So what's the use? Your computer is so faulty, you'll do…I mean, the planes will have to run up and down if you have such a computer as Sahaja Yogis are! Because they just judge the other way round. A person who is good in Sahaja Yoga, who has got vibrations, he may be simple, he may be unassuming, he may not be so rich, he may not be so educated, may not be from some good universities or anything, but you must see the vibrations of that person! What sort of vibrations that person has, and then you should judge. Instead of that if you judge that person only because he's very good to talk and he talks well and very scholarly or something like that, that's not the point. The point is what are his vibrations! And once you see those vibrations and judge them on vibrations, then you are a Sahaja Yogi, otherwise I would not call you at all a Sahaja Yogi. But for a Guru it is very important. I have seen sometimes even the leaders supporting somebody who is absolutely horrid! I can't bear that person even for five minutes! But here the Guru sends him over to Me, “Oh, Mother, he's so good, you know, he donated so much money.” It doesn't matter. You donated money, so what? Who asked him to donate money? But he should not donate his bhoots to us now anymore! We don't want his bhoot! So that's what it is. So the judgment should be correct about a person when you say that this man is not good or that is not good. But mostly ‘gurus’ themselves are caught up and then they are ambitious and if somebody doesn't listen to them or somebody wants to give a lecture at a wrong time and somebody says, “You shouldn't talk like this,” or something, then they get angry. They are very hot tempered and they provoke people, they say things sometimes. And then when people react they say, “You are a bad Sahaja Yogi.” That's not the way. First of all a guru or a leader has to be himself a very mild, gentle, and a good person. He has to be in such a way [that] he should not demand anything, should not ask for anything. Never demand anything! Anybody who demands can not be a guru. Respect is to be commanded and not to be demanded. And so, everything works out well if you understand that - once you rise in your ascent, in your wisdom, in your awareness and in your Spirit - automatically all these things happen! You don't have to ask for anything, you don't have to plead for anything, you don't have to complain for anything, everything works out. You are looked after by all the ganas, by all the angels. They are there. You are on the stage. But if you are halfway then they play tricks with you. You see, they play tricks, they make you falter, you have problems, you go here, you go there, all these things happen and then you say, “Mother, how is it this happened?" Because they are also jokers, so they play jokes with you and they make problems for you just to make you understand that you are doing wrong. So we are on a stage where there's a beautiful security, everything is there and we have to give to the world such a great thing like Sahaja Yoga, which is for the emancipation of the whole world, as you realise, and so also I hope you realise your responsibilities. There are so many things one has to understand, how one has to be as a guru, how he has to act and how he has to work out. Now I have given so many lectures on Guru things, but, for today's lecture, only I have to say that, first thing, to have a guru system, you must have complete humility. Now, with Me, I would say, I am too simple and I am Mahamaya, so you be very careful. You cannot take liberties with Me. You cannot take. If you try to take too much liberties that means you are not a disciple. A disciple has to keep a distance from the Guru. You cannot just take liberties, walk into My room every time, sit there for hours together, chit-chat with Me - nothing! You have no right. Only when I call you, when I ask for you, you should come. Then you should not force things on the Guru that, “Please, come and listen to this,” or, “Do this!” that should not be said. For example, yesterday nobody told Me there are going to be these music programs or everything arranged. So we have to report everything to your leader, or to Me, all those things that you want to do. And it should be really transparent. Like this hand knows everything that this hand is doing, and this hand knows everything that this hand is doing. In the same way everybody should know each other. Then the gurus should not have jealousies for each other. This I'm just telling you because also I found out that there are certain jealousies. And when they talk there is a little bit of, “Ha, he's good, but this, this, this.” When they enjoy each other's company because they have reached a certain state and they understand, “This is the state we are in.” When they enjoy each other's company fully and appreciate each other much more than anybody else - the guru's company. All the company of the leaders, if they enjoy each other and there's no jealousy, there's no fight, there's no problem but just the enjoyment of the company, then they should know that they have become a guru. Now all of them never fought with each other. They supported. Actually it is one Principle was born again and again. But only the satanic people - they'll fight among themselves, not the godly. And also they will talk against the person who is a realised soul or who is an Incarnation, but never against themselves. It's very surprising that the satanic people though they fight among themselves, there are jealousies, they’ll never talk of each other. But here I find that in Sahaja Yoga we have freedom. But freedom is not abandonment, is the freedom with complete rules and regulations of the Divine, with us, and we have to know them that this is the Divine Law. So all of us are now sitting like in a big vimana, like an aeroplane, and we all have to land into the beautiful area. But first of all we have to develop that humility in your heart; complete humility and surrender, that's very important. Unless and until you have that humility and surrender in your heart, Guru principle can not be awakened. First you have to be the disciple and then the guru. So you have to develop that humility. And that humility comes very easily if you love Me, respect Me. It's not only love, but respect. That respect has to be there and then people will respect you. May God bless you! (Later after puja, Shri Mataji speaks about music performance of the concert the night before) This is a very, you see, pure raga and the purity of it, to be maintained, is very difficult as he has shown here little bit here and there to slip out in the playing of notes. It forms another raga, you see, it's very delicate raga. Like somebody says the path of God is like a very, very slim road. One side is a big, a huge mountain, another side is a big valley. In the same way this raga is a - raga which can only be taught by a very good guru, and only can be learned very well by a very good disciple, also. Because it is so delicate that slipping this side or that side you just get into another raga as he has shown you just now. So the purity of it and this is the real beauty of this raga is. I had heard this raga once upon a time by a very great singer, called Roshanara Begum and the one he was singing - just I asked My sister, “What is the bondage?", because I remember the song, but didn't remember the exact words, you see. Just now she told Me. And she is another great, great singer, Roshanara Begum, and the way she was singing, you know, as if the whole Puriya - the whole building of Puriya she made it manifest - really. She made it manifest - the whole Puriya raga. Say, such a beautiful thing and that is what it is that here is a sign of a person who has done it so much with that purity of raga, is the point - the purity of raga. And it's very good for Sahaja Yogis to know that the purity of understanding of that if you go a little bit this side, a little bit this side you get away from Sushumna. (After puja explanation Sahaja Yogis show the miracle photographs and Shri Mataji explains them) When the changes taking place, actually it's My name in Arabic, the changes taking place now. This is another one. This is My name, this one is My name in Arabic language in the other, in other direction. Then it becomes, then it becomes Omkara in other direction and Omkara becomes like a heart and with so many lines, there were no lines, nothing. The lights become Omkara. Now, this is before the puja they started with the photograph. This is another series. So the music started and the photograph started changing. Started going into different shapes. This one is easy languishes. The lights going into shapes. This is before that. Now they are writing My name, these lights are writing My name, started writing. Now this is another one. How the form's changing. Now see how the forms have changing. Here the vibrations are dancing. Vibrations are dancing, just see there. Then the Sahasrara. Then I disappear into light. One, two, three and then they all become lights which show one by one. ... These are the vibrations.

Guru puja. Avignon (France), 8 July 1990. In Sahaja Yoga the Guru puja has a very different significance from any other guru puja. When you worship your Guru you are also worshiping the Guru within you. This is not in any other guru-disciple system because, in you, the Guru, the Master has been awakened. And so, when you are worshipping your Guru, then this Master within you is also worshipped, you respect it, you glorify it, you awaken it, and you manifest it. This we have to realise that - in Sahaja Yoga - if you are a Sahaja Yogi. Now, the quality of Guru, first and foremost, is that he makes you meet God: means he raises the Kundalini and establish the relation between the All-pervading Power. And as your Guru is Adi Shakti, you make that person meet, also, the Adi Shakti. So you have a double advantage that, at the same time, when you give them Realisation, not only that you make them feel the union with the Divine Power, but you can make them meet the Divinity Itself, the source of Divine Power. So your responsibility, as Sahaja Yogis, is very great because in you is there is the Guru. Now in our mantras we say that, “Mother, I am my own Guru.” But, saying that, do we realise that: if I am my own Guru, this "I" and "my Guru," between the two, what have I achieved? Where am I? Can I guide myself? Have I got the light of the Spirit on my attention so well established and manifested that I can guide myself and guide others later on? First of all, in the Guru principle it is important that you see to yourself - the introspection: Can I be my own Guru? Have I become my own Guru? Now, in your case, your Guru is a Mother, a woman, so, it has to be among women that the development of their Guru qualities have to be very well manifested. But it's just the way it is not. For them, they are still the mothers or they are the wives or they are Sahaja Yoginis. But they don't realise that you are also the Gurus. And, because your Mother is a Guru, because She is a woman; and you have to be also of that quality, that people should say, “Look at this woman, she's such a Guru.” But still, as I hear from the different leaders that the ladies are absolutely still very much far away and are very few who can be called as real Sahaja Yoginis. It's a sad thing to hear. Because if you still keep to all these mundane things of womanhood and the drawbacks of womanhood, which has come out of domination maybe, because of always they were shown to be something lower. Specially in the Christian religion they were never regarded as something holy. They have this kind of a diffidence in them that they don't understand that dharma can be established more by women than by men. And the Guru's work is to establish the dharma - in the society, in the family, in relationships. All these Gurus, which are representing all these great symbols here, have done nothing but have established dharma. But, first of all, before establishing the dharma, we should watch ourselves - have we got dharma within ourselves or not? First of all, the quality of a person who has dharma is that he listens to others, he obeys. And this is something [that] has gone wrong with the Western women, I think, that they have forgotten how to listen to others, how to obey others. That's why their children also don't obey them. Obedience, if you do not have, nobody's going to obey you. First, you must learn to obey. A person like Kabira, because he was born of a unknown cast, people didn't know what he was born from, and he could not go directly to any Guru. So, he heard about Ramanand, a great Guru of those days, who used to go to the river Ganges every morning to have his bath. So one day on his steps Kabira kept lying, and in the darkness the Guru could not see, and he touched him with his feet. He said, “Who are you?” So he said, “I'm Kabir, and I'm your disciple.” And he caught hold of his feet. And when he caught hold of his feet, he [Ramanand] said, “Alright, come along!” And then he became such a great saint in India. People know him more than they know his Guru; he became so great. The basic thing is humility. Yesterday you saw how the musician [Nishat Khan] was humble. All the time he was humble. He didn't know how to express his humility every time. All the time he was humble. Because in humility only you can receive the blessings, you can receive the quality that is of your Guru. Now, for a Guru as you have seen that, in My own way, in My own image, you have to come up. First of all your life should be absolutely transparent. Transparency is the essence of Sahaja Yoga. Everybody should know what you are doing, where you are going, what is the way you live, what is the way you are behaving. I have seen people, who are gurus, also in the sense that we call them leaders, or we can call them sub-gurus, or they can not be called as priest, but I can say ‘communication centres’ as they are. In them you find that they are very fussy type of people. Always think about their body, always think about their comfort, always grudge about - nobody looked after them - as if they suffer from persecution-mania! Or they will grudge about food, “I didn't eat my food for one day!” Doesn't matter! For a Guru it's better to starve for about three, four days nicely, so that you get over this idea of hunger. You'll be surprised since I'm here I have not eaten anything much, and just drinking something, because just the Guru has no hunger. Because it is in your stomach the Guru, vibrations, are so much that you don't feel like eating anything. So then, what do you eat and how do you eat and all these things that we have given up to come to Sahaja Yoga. So even if leaders have this nonsense in their head [like] what do you get to eat! I mean, this is the basics, absolutely! And when I hear some people telling Me, oh, what did they eat and how did they eat and all! It's like I feel they are like tourists in Sahaja Yoga. Just come in Sahaja Yoga like tourists, you see, to see places and go round and to know where you get, in what restaurant, you get good food and cheaply. All this is so basically, absolutely not a manifestation of Guru Principle. Now you have seen your Guru as She is. I do not know what I eat, what they give Me, what I want. They go on giving Me whatever they think I like, and I just don't know if I like that thing or not, or what is it. If they ask Me, “Mother, what will You have?” I said, “What will I have, I don't know really, what will I have? Anything!” So there has to be no choices. First of all not to waste your attention on choices. Of course, only on vibrations. I mean, supposing, you go to a restaurant, find all kinds of funny vibrations there, people are getting drunk or anything, then of course you should say. But all the choices must be based on vibrations and not on material things. That you get something nice there, “Let's go there,” and they'll travel for fifty miles to go eat something nonsensical. It should be all nonsense for all Sahaja Yogis. And when I said “Sahaja Yogi” it means also Sahaja Yoginis. So the food part of it is aswadha. You should not have any taste for any special food. Specially in France to say that people may not like, but French are very, very conscientious or aware about the food part. I don't know how far they make really good food, but at least they think they eat very good food. So, the eating of good food is a kind of a addiction. It's a kind of an addiction; it's something like drug - that you must have good food. So Zen started this system of what they call the tea ceremony. In the tea ceremony what they did, I mean, I have been through that and it's really quite a test of people. With Me it was alright, but the rest of them got really frightened. That in the tea ceremony whatever rituals they do they give you a tea, which is so bitter, and we can say [like] quinine raised to power 108! It’s like that. And they give you very nicely, handle you with such ritual that you have to take it. So first they say, “You see the cup without thinking.” So he tried to make thoughtless awareness through the cup. I don't know how much one can achieve with that. But that tea if you take once, your tongue is good for anything. And to compensate it they give you something sweet, which is again sweetness raised to power 108, so sweet that it becomes bitter! So sweet. So this is just to conquer the tongue [that] Zen must have thought that better give them this tea ceremony where there is no tea, there's nothing but just you really give such shocks to your tongue, so that after that you can eat whatever you get. And that's why you must know that Japanese can eat anything. They have solved their food problem because they can eat anything! They can just fish out some crabs or could be some prawns, just peel them out like peanuts and eat them like that. I think Zen has solved this problem for them, because they have food shortage and this is how they can eat everything: they can eat the bark of the tree, they can eat the snake, they can eat the lizards, they can eat the frogs, everything they can eat, so all their eating problems are solved in that country by Zen, I think, because you have no taste. But in this I think the worst are, in the whole world are Indians. They are the fussiest people for food. Because their women have spoiled them. They know very good cooking and they know how to handle their husbands by cooking very well. And the way they cook food for them, you see, the men have to go back to Indian food. Even if they travel the whole world, they'll need Indian food, they can't get over their tongues. It is such a big conditioning in India of food that I just don't know how will they get out, the, absolutely, the basics which are important. Gandhiji tried that very much in the ashram (laughing). He used to give horrid food, boiled food with the oil of mustard on top and then nobody could eat that. Raw! And he used to make everybody eat that. Not only that, he would make them clean the bathrooms, WC's, everything so that you get rid of your nose also, that you need everything. Because so many people you will, while eating also in India will put something to their noses, and they smell everything. So they are oversensitive to their tongue and to their nose. But not to their eyes, to eyes they are not. For eyes I would say the most sensitive people are Japanese and Chinese and also the Western people are very much sensitive because they don't like to see anything dirty, filthy or ugly. Indians won't mind any dirt, filth, anything, just like dogs and what you call, horses or buffalos! They can walk through any dirt, filth - anything! Nothing matters to them, anything ugly, any ugly building or an ugly dress or anything is alright for them. It doesn't matter, to their eyes it doesn't matter at all. Only thing [is that] kitchen should be clean and they are all the time in the kitchen. So we don't have to learn all these bad things from Indians. There are some good things they have, but there are certain things [which] are very bad conditionings. And the next to that are, I think, the French. But if you eat English food you can become quite good because there's no taste in English food (laughter and applause). So, I have no problem anywhere because I think I have no taste at all and I can eat anything any way it is cooked, it's alright, I don't bother about what is cooked, what is not cooked. But if you have some French people for a dinner in a restaurant they will spend forty-five minutes deciding what they are going to eat, and what a waste of energy! Forty-five minutes just to decide what they are going to eat! After all what is so great, what you are going to eat? It's all there. Just one thing that everybody should have. So for Sahaja Yogis it's important to give up this idea, “I will have this.” First of all nobody should ask, “What will you have?” To Me also. I do not like people asking Me questions [like], “What will You have?” Because I've to think about it and I want to be in Nirvichara (laughter and applause). So, this is a, one, big ordeal, which we do not understand: how much we are attached to food. And food goes in the stomach. And not only that it spoils our guru system, but also spoils our physical system. So we should try not to look at food. That's why fasting was told to the all the people who wanted to develop their Gurupada, so that they should not fast. But they do not fast normally because they think of food, so there's no fasting. I mean, fasting means that you go into nirvichara and don't think of food. But they are all the time thinking of food, so it has no meaning and you are just the same whether you eat it or not, your mind is eating it all the time. Then you start thinking, “When will I end my fast and know where will I go to have what?” So this is a very basic thing that we should get rid of our habits, of our conditionings - what we are going to have and what food we are going to have. Our children also should be given a proper training about it that - it's alright, sometimes there is no salt, sometimes there's no sugar, doesn't matter. And sometimes there's nothing, doesn't matter. Nothing [is] important for a Sahaja Yogi, you can live without food for days together, no problem. So for a Sahaja Yogi there's nothing like taste of food and hunger. There's only one hunger is to be purified, to be clean. This is one of the things that dirties our mind, we should say, that we think about food all the time. Even in Russia I found people carried all Indian things there, they were cooking all Indian things, and I am, poor thing, I can't eat anything. So they cooked, brought everything for Me, thinking I'm an Indian, but they don't know I am Zen - I cannot, I do not, have sense of taste. So once, to get over taste one has to work out. It's an experiment you have to do with ourselves. Unless and until we introspect ourselves and do experiments we cannot rise. Because though the Kundalini is trying her level best, but your conditionings are so great that it cannot pierce through and cannot make you onto that Guru level. If you see the lives of all these Gurus: they were married, they had children, they lived a normal life but in their own personal life they were absolutely detached people. So, first detachment should come from food. And there whatever you like you just don't eat. That's the best way. Because already because of liking something…supposing if somebody's fond of ice-cream. He must have already spoiled his liver; so then, give [it] up now. If you like pasta, give up pasta. If you like something else, just give up, don't ask for it and don't eat it at all; so that, you see, your mind will get little bit detached from it. It's very easy to achieve this detachment, I think, if you work it out in a sensible way. Just try to punish your body. You see, if you are your Guru, you better take hold of first of all your body and your conditionings. You have to treat your body with this thing. I am told many girls who have married abroad are still making their Indian food and eating that. It’s horrible it is! They should starve. If they starve for say about five, six days or maybe eight days, then they'll eat any food in any case. That's why the fasting is given. So one should adjust oneself to any kind of food you can have. And if you want to survive then you eat anything, so just make it a point that you get rid of this very simple conditioning you have - of liking the food that you want to eat and you don't want to have anything else. I think as Sahaja Yogini or Sahaja Yogi who cannot get rid of this little thing, then how can you call him a Sahaja Yogi? I don't know. He's very asahaj. Because the other day I met one lady. I said, “What is the matter, where have you been?” She said, “I have been looking out for some sort of an Indian ingredient.” I said, “How can you get it here in this Spain? You cannot.” “Why?” “Because they asked me to make Indian food.” “Alright. Then without that can't you make Indian food? What is the need to run all the way, whole day for a one small little thing called hing (asafoetida)?” There's a big name for that, it's a small little thing. Just to get that she had to run all over the places to get it! So for people who are Sahaja Yogis if they are sahaj, whatever is available you can make something nice out of it and eat it. So that shows what? It shows sagacity, shows trupti (तृप्ति - contentment), shows your satisfaction. And that is one of the manifestations of a Guru that he's a satisfied soul. He's just self-contained, he doesn't bother. Now, for example, some people, specially in the West, thank God, they are not spoiled by their wives so much. They don't have so much of conditioning, they can eat anything. I've seen that when they come on the India tour, all the Indians say, “Horrid food was given and the poor things were eating that horrid food and this and that.” And I asked them, “Which place you like the best?” They said, “Brahmapuri.” I said, “Eh? They were saying Brahmapuri had the worst food and everybody is complaining.” “No, no. Brahmapuri was the best, because we could bathe in the river and we could sing and we could enjoy it!” You see, that's the sign of one thing, to get rid of your bad habits of food business. Now the second part is for the body you need comforts. I must congratulate the Western Sahaja Yogis that they may be coming from any walk of life - I must say, the Indians have to learn from them - they may be coming from any position or status. All of them enjoy the comfort of the Spirit when they travel in the Tour. They do not ask for, “I haven't got a chair, I haven't got a bed, I haven't got a proper things here.” In this way, you see, you will realise that the body comfort is of no importance. It’s, we have just spoilt our body, there's no need, no need. Body you put it anywhere, will sleep in any case. If you cannot sleep for two nights, alright, put on some music for one night or two nights as we had here, you will sleep anyway! (laughter and applause as everybody fell asleep during the Nishat Khan performance the night before) So this is the second point is that we have to give up body comfort. But the third point where I think the Western people falter is their materialistic attitude. Materialistic attitude and their fondness of their eyes. So one of them is the worst of all. I mean, the worst in worst of all is that you can never have, that's such a big blot if you have that is to have a roving eye and things like that. It’s out of question. That’s out of question for women or for men. They are not Sahaja Yogis by any chance. They have to have very clean eyes. That part is alright. And the second part is the greed, lust and greed. Of course, with Sahaja Yoga maybe the lust part is over, but greed is still there with so many who get lost. So I would say Indians do not have this lust problem, but they still have greed, greed problem - means they want to buy something like a radio or some electrical stuff they must buy. If they come abroad they must buy something. It's alright, if you get it, well and good, if they don't get it, well and good. It should be [that attitude]. But for a Westerner, you see, he would not like to give up his furniture, which his great grandmother had it. Though he can't sit on it because it's so old. If he sits on it, it will be break. But he must keep it to show off that, “I had a great grandmother who gave this unique chair.” According to Indian standards it's junk! Absolute junk. Because it is good for nothing you put it in the drawing room, nobody can sit on it and it looks junky. But according to the Western mind the older it is, the better - whether it is a junk or anything - he'll have so many junks in the house and they will sell like hot cakes. Because there's a very subtle materialistic attitude towards matter that, “This will sell like hot cakes if I sell it,” because there must be another mad Westerner who would like to buy that junk. You see? So this junk that you have in the house it’s better to get rid of, because God knows how many people must have used [it]. It’s like a grave in the house. It's a grave. So to have then also the antique jewellery. Antique jewellery is another mad, antique is a - what you can say - is the fad or addiction of the Western people - antique. For us nothing is antique because we still produce antique things, beautiful things so Indians don't understand the value of antiques. They don't understand how these people are so mad after torn things and broken things and dirty things and filthy things! But the Western mind has been brought up that way. Now, in these antique things I have seen that, once I went to somebody's house, you see, and he asked Me with very great honour to sit on his chair. And as soon as I sat on the chair I thought there were snakes and there were scorpions all biting Me. I got a fright, I got up. I said, “What is it?” He said, “This is from great, great, great grandmother, you see, she gave us this thing.” I said, “It will break, I better sit outside.” (laughter) So this also madness of this antique is so much that it is unbelievable how people go into it. So there's a joke in India there's a very great writer called as Premchand, he wrote about two Englishmen going on the road of Benares when they were hit by a lota (metal pot), that they use for their bathrooms, fell on their feet. And it fell on their feet. And jokingly he says, “on the feet where all the bureaucrats fall.” Means, all Indian bureaucrats used to fall at the feet of the English at that time! So he made a joke. But doesn't matter. Then the English, you see, looked at that thing and they were very angry and immediately they took to law, “You have to come to the courts, you have to come to the police and we're going to report this has fallen there, it has hit us,” and all that. So there was a clever man, he knew the English or the Western mind, he said, “Sir, do you know this, this lota has very valuable!” He said, “Why?” “Because this one was used by Akbar the Great. So ancient it is. ” He said, “Really?” “Yes it is and, you know, you just don't quarrel with them. And ask them for this lota.” And he told in Indian language to them that, “I have befooled these people, I have told them that this lota belonged to Akbar and you have to take this lota and use this lota to just to befool them.” So then they asked, “But alright, we'll forgive you, we'll not take you to any courts or anything, but you just give us this lota.” They said, “No, we can’t." He said, “Why?” “Because it's such an antique piece, you see.” In India you won't find anybody respecting antique pieces, especially in Benares nobody bothers. (Laughter) So they said, “Really?”, “Yes, it belonged to Akbar and, you know, my father was, my forefathers worked with him, so he gave us this lota, we can't give you, we are sorry, you see.” “No, no, no, no, please give us, you see, and we'll no take you to the police.” “Alright, you charge us, whatever money you charge us,” and all that. In those days they paid one thousand rupees, you see, this is equal to, now, one crore (10 million), I think. They gave, these English paid them and bought that lota, which had nothing to do with Akbar or anyone. So this madness of antique has to go away from our minds. It's such a built-in thing within us, that we always talk of antiquities. Perhaps maybe because of wars everything was destroyed and whatever was in the olden times was something very beautiful and good and now we are not making very good things, perhaps, maybe that is the reason. But now we are making nice things, we can make. Now in England I was surprised the old crafts are coming up, everywhere I go the old crafts are coming up. So to respect antiques means you just stop making the old craft revive. Because you pay so much to the antiques, the same thing made today won't fetch the same price as it was. Now this has ruined our creativity, ruined our handwork and it has ruined our whole - I think the quality of our life, because the way we are mad after antiques. So this also should go from your head that anything antique is something good. It's a very superficial value - if you see to it. Because people think that antique is something expensive. It's just a marketing style that people have felt that this is expensive, that is expensive, so it's something great to wear something stupid and to say that, “this is antique jewellery,” and go about. I mean, God knows how many people must have used it and must have worn it and what must be the feelings of that person. So we have to understand that this conditioning that we have in our heads, that we must have something antiques with us, keep something of such value. I mean, these questions never arose before, so it's not written in any books. Anyone of the books of the Gurus is not written that, “Don't care for antiques.” They have written, “Don't drink, don't smoke,” all other things which spoils your Nabhi. They've written all these things. But they have not written that, “Don't worry about antiques so much.” You see, and I find that's a craze nowadays and so we have to tell people that we have to be careful. Moreover I feel the way people have gone to drugs and that, maybe that because they used so much antiques that the bhoots from the antiques must have caught them. Can't understand that why people are so melancholy, all the time crying, weeping, and all that. So the conditionings of these matter as we think it to be is to be absolutely taken out. Of course, I mean in certain countries we should say that the antique things [that] were made were good and nice. But, only because something is antique it should not be respected, [but] because of its intrinsic value of aesthetics, it's alright. But one has to see first of all the vibrations of everything. If the vibrations are good then you should accept, otherwise not, because we have the language of vibrations and we have to use the language of vibrations. Once you start using the language of vibrations you'll be surprised how you will get the complete picture as to what is to be done. So to get rid of these three conditionings too, for our body is very important. And the worst thing for a Sahaja Yogi [is] to think that he's sick: is a, sort of a, tarnishing the name of Sahaja Yoga. If you still feel you are sick you better get out of Sahaja Yoga! Because either you get well or you are not a Sahaja Yogi, one of the two things. If you are a Sahaja Yogi you have to see that you get well and if there are certain problems also - doesn't matter. Now, for example, supposing, I have certain problems, which I know, because of Sahaja Yoga, because of My position as the Mother, position as Adi Shakti: certain physical things I have to face, parasympathetic working I have to face, but I go through it! Is accepted. You have to accept your body as it is and you are not to sort of say that, “I'm not well,” and “There's something wrong with me,” and go on complaining like some old hag! Never think you are old, first of all. Never think that you have gone old or you are no good. Look at your Mother. I never think that way. Yesterday half of you were sleeping, still I was alert and listening to the music and today I'm again alert here. So if you have a Guru then that image should be with you that: “Look at our Mother. She's so old, how much She travels, how much She does!” Alright, you might say, She's the Adi Shakti! But little bit of shakti you too have. And that shakti is to be shown by your full dynamism. If you have no dynamism and if you still feel very weak that means you are not a Sahaja Yogi. So just ask for, ask for any amount of energy - it can come to you. That dynamism, it should be there. Now this I would say, for the physical self that one has to know that you are all younger and getting younger and younger, but not the stupidity of youth, but gravity, the gravity of the age. Actually I have seen children who are born realised, they are very grave, they won't do anything that is not dignified. And they will never, I've never heard them talking to some of - the Sahaja Yoginis have a bad habit of talking, “tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk,” among themselves. It's a very bad habit. Which shows that they [are] still very much lacking. Just wearing saris or wearing bindis you do not become a Sahaja Yogini. First of all, what is the gravity? You should only speak whenever it is necessary. So I have seen these Sahaja Yogis who are born realised children they stand like this before Me. And they say very few words, but beautiful words they speak. And say things, which you can remember all the time. They just do not go on wasting anything. And they are extremely obedient. So from them one can learn that these are born realised and the way their Guru principle is acting, are we also acting the same way? Or we are doing something that is not good for our ascent? So even after coming to Sahaja Yoga if you do not try hard to introspect yourself, you have missed the point that you compare yourself with your Guru - all the time. Now. Then everything has to be understood in the right perspective that we are Sahaja Yogis. Now for a Sahaja Yogi first and foremost thing [is] that he has to have love. First. For others, not for himself. If you are all the time worried about yourself, “My body is such, my this thing such, and I have to do this and that,” then you don't love others. But do you see to the comfort of others? Do you feel the compassion of other Sahaja Yogis? Do you feel, “What have I to bring for them? What is missing in them?” Do you work it out? Do you go out of the way to help them? First of all Sahaja Yogi s. Now Sahaja Yogis are different things. I have seen many Sahaja Yogis will go and take the side of the non-Sahaja Yogis and try to debase the Sahaja Yogis. Is a very wrong thing. You belong to this new race and the people who do not belong to this new race and if they are attacking anybody: these are your hands, your feet, your head, and if they attack it, it is duty bound that you help them instead of helping the others. Maybe something wrong with this person, doesn't matter. You need not show all the fair play there. In that place you should support a Sahaja Yogi out and out. Later on you may correct and you may tell that person, “You should not have done like this, it was wrong.” So this dignity and this understanding comes only through silence. But if you are chirping all the time, talking “tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk, tuk,” it can never, never can make you a deeper person. You'll be just flying in the air with all that. So for women now is best is to take to mauna, is to keep quiet, just keep quiet. They all the time want to talk. This I've heard from all the leaders that is a big problem with women. They just go on talking stories, telling stories. But if you ask them to come and speak, they will start shaking. How many can give speeches? Women? If you understand that if you cannot give a speech, you better not talk also. You should be able to give a speech because your Mother is a woman, She gives speeches. Why can't you give some speech? You cannot. If I make you stand here, you’ll be shaking, I know that. But if it comes to murmuring souls, you are there. So that is one thing women have to be very careful [about]. And as today is the Guru puja I have to tell you things, not as a Mother but as your Guru. That, if you have to ascend the best thing is for you to stop talking. “Maunam sarvatha sadhanam.” ‘Maun’ means to keep quiet. It gives you all kinds of facilities, just keep quiet. If somebody's talking too much, just keep quiet. If somebody's trying to criticise, keep quiet. That's your silence, that's your right, that's your domain that you can keep silent. Just watch that person. If it comes then to answer, then you can answer better. But if somebody's trying to attack ,you just keep silent. But this silence has to be established and one should only establish by not talking too much. I have seen also when I am sitting here, I have seen women talking among themselves, and this is very wrong. You must learn the silence. Like yesterday I saw so many ladies also were walking out, walking in. In the church will you do that? You won't do it. In the church there is no Christ, there's a horrible priest sitting there, but you cannot do it. You all keep quiet, you sit there nicely. I've never seen anybody walking out here and there and doing all kinds of things, putting the children in front like that, making them sleep. Never! Can you do that in the church? What a discipline people observe in that church, which is an artificial place. And where you are now, that kind of a silence has to be there and that kind of understanding, that depth, that awe has to be there. But because we have not yet developed that Guru thing. If we had developed it then immediately it will work out. You will see your gravity will show in your behaviour. So this is for our attention not to be wasted. To discuss somebody, to discuss about others' characters, we have no business. Do we discuss the character of one hand to another hand? To discuss about what has happened about marriages, things like that. Also marriage is just…in Sahaja Yoga it's not such an important thing. Some people pay too much attention to marriage, you see, and marriage becomes a headache. Also then, “What about my marriage?” Then again ten minutes you see that person, “What about my marriage?” Again after ten minutes, “What about my marriage?” You want to run away. I mean, you see, it's something becomes like a mania for people, “What should we do?” And the whole thing is, all depends, and the whole programming depends on how you are going to get married. So you have come to Sahaja Yoga, you are sanyasis. You are not married people in a way. You are married only to Sahaja Yoga, that's your husband, that's your wife. And the so-called husband and wife are there. But if they are not Sahaja Yogis then you are unmarried, definitely. So too much attention is paid in Sahaja Yoga to marriages. I have seen that before, marriage, before Sahaja Yoga, marriage was a joke; every third day there was a divorce and people would run away and do all kinds of things. Then when they got married after Sahaja Yoga they are the greatest romantic people ever known in the whole world! I mean, all ‘Romeo, Juliets' going about. I just don't understand. Even in the Indian villages people complain that, “What sort of these people are? I mean, they have no sense at all and the way they go round, are they the saints?” So that saintliness, that sanyasta, that asceticism has to be expressed in our married life. I don't mean that you don't have relationship with your husband but in a very private way. It's has to be extremely private and it should not be such a great thing to go into romanticism. You'll ruin the whole of Sahaja Yoga in the West if you start doing that nonsense! Because also there's an idea about it that, you see, you fall in love. But then you'll fall! That's the first point is. You will fall [but] you want to rise. So this attachment and this worry about the husband and this and that, I mean, you can carry on with any kind of a husband and wife if you are a Sahaja Yogi, should be able to. I mean, I know that's very simple. It’s a…your husband is a study, wife is a study, that's all. You study a person, what sort of a person he is. But for that you have to have the witness state and you have to see, you have to be detached. So in marriages one has to be detached. But, on the contrary, I find that just after the marriage they want to organise some special thing for them to go to some sort of a honeymoon or some sort of a thing! I don't know how these ideas crawl up. These are coming from the old conditionings of things and after honeymoon they come and say, “Mother, this marriage is not going to work out.” So it's better to do slow and steady and then decide. Because you just jump into honeymoon mood and come back and say, “Mother, this, I have started thinking and I don't think.” I know of a lady who was jumping with a Indian gentleman and she was on her way to Australia. In Singapore, she telephones that, “Mother, I don't think this marriage will work out.” And here everybody complained to Me, “Mother, these two are behaving in such a manner that Indians are rather embarrassed.” So the sense of shame you must learn from Indians. They never… husband and wife never sit together in India, is regarded as bad manners and it should be with you also. That, even in the puja, even in anything they are sitting in the public, what is the need to show your relationship in the public? It's only in the private. This is one of the things one, if you start understanding, there will be a proper adjustment. Men should be with men in the public, women should be with the women together. But the women or men, whatever they are, whatever are their bad, bad points should not be brought back. Like, I would say the men have jealousies and they have power orientation and they discuss about leadership and they, every, they get a shock if you tell them that you are not going to be a leader, as if they think leadership is something very concrete. It's the greatest myth ever going, is this leadership! There's nothing like leaders in this Sahaja Yoga, it's just a joke. And your Mother is very good at playing serious jokes. So be careful! Don't be childish about it. You have to understand that this is a big joke going on and it's just a testing point and if I test you wrong, you can tell Me, but I think this has worked well, because I can test people very well on that level and immediately I know when the person gets onto the horse of ego. So, for your mental attitude, has to be different and our priorities have to change. Our priorities have to change. What are our priorities? First and foremost thing is our ascent, is the first priority. For our ascent whatever is needed has to be done. If you have to punish your body, alright. If you have to punish yourself, alright. If you have a conditioning, get rid of it. Just introspect yourself, that is Self-realisation, is to know yourself. When you know yourself and know what is clinging onto it, just to remove it completely. Work it out the way you like. Work it out the way you like. You see, it is very important that the body, mind, everything should be your slaves. Nothing should dominate you. You should be on top of everything. How dare your body ask for anything? How dare your mind tells you anything? How this conditioning works on you? “I am a Sahaja Yogi, I'm above everything.” Like the lotuses have come out of the ponds, you have come out of it. We have so many proofs to show that you are realised souls. I'll show you some photographs that I have to show that there is light. I can put light into you, they are all enlightened people. But in My presence if you become the light, you must carry the light outside. Not only in My presence, but when you go out. But one of the reasons, I think, when I tell something people just start thinking about whom Mother is talking, they never think, “She is talking about me.” That's the only way you can penetrate within yourself when you see that, “Mother is talking about me, She's correcting me all alone and She's telling me.” Then only it will penetrate and it will work out. The priorities have to be changed and the first and foremost is your ascent and the Spirit and Sahaja Yoga. The rest is negligible, nothing important. Then the faith that there is this All-pervading Power, which is looking after us, is very important. This time the musicians came all the way. I must tell you the story of their travel. They came and they said that there's a train from Kiev and they also bought the tickets so got into the train and they were off-loaded before the Hungarian border. They didn't know what to do, they had no visas, nothing and not so much money also. They thought, “We are on the train.” They said, “No, you have to go cross over and go to Budapest,” and they didn't know where, they were standing on the road. And, but they were all laughing and enjoying, “must be something in store for us.” Nobody felt that they were in trouble or in anything. So surrendered. “So, suddenly,” they said, “the custom people came and surrounded them,” and they said, “What's the matter, how are you here with all these bags and baggages?” So they said, “Why are you here?” They said, “We have come for a concert and this, and musicians we are and all.” And some or other they started melting away. And then they gave them Realisation! Six of them got Realisation. Now can you believe: the power of love. And the custom officers they offered their own cars, took them down to the other side. It's never happened with custom officers! Imagine! It would be like shaving their teeth off, I tell you, the way (laughing) if you can do that to the custom officer! But it happened. And they came to the other side and left them there. Now they didn't know what to do. They wanted to go to Budapest, they had to walk about two miles or something to the station. So they were waiting there well, they said that, “Mother, You sent maybe, two Yugoslavs came in a big bus of 49 people - all vacant.” They stopped the bus and said, “What is it, why are you here?” So they said, “This is our problem and we have to go.” So they got into the bus. When he was driving them down, they thought of talking to him that, “Why not you take us to Milan?” And they managed! (laughter) And they were in Milan. It's so remarkable. So to have faith completely in yourself and in that Power, which is surrounding you. And once you have that faith you will realise that, though it is so helpful to you, it is so kind to you, on the same level if you think it, it can be very harmful. So then never listen to the Guru ninda, means anybody talks anything ill about your Guru, just put your hands to your ears, absolutely immediately. I have known of a person who did that [and] got cancer, another now in jail, another one there. So anybody is saying like that, just put your hands. Because now you know that - what is your Guru. So you should never hear anything against your Guru from anyone. The other day one gentleman asked Me a question, a newsman. He said that, “I am told you have made a castle for Yourself.” I said, “I have paid for it, I have made it also. It was a horrid place, no doubt. But there are only Sahaja Yogis staying there, I am not staying there. That's the best part.” But that's all I said. But on the contrary, they never go and ask these questions to any gurus on anything. Because the disciples say, “Yes, so what? We want to give to our guru money and this and that.” They never ask. But, through Sahaja Yoga, or [by] Myself, I have cured so many people of incurable diseases - I could have minted money. For curing one cancer patient I could have made a castle, Myself. So when people say like that you should say, “Do you know how many people She has cured? How much money She could have taken from them if She was a doctor or She was a false Guru? How much money She would have made out of all of them?” Then they will understand. You see, because they are being materialistic they talk like that. And their attitude is very different and so, to tell them off is the best way. Because I have seen that these press people are absolutely harassed by the disciples of the false Gurus. Just they cannot criticise, they cannot say a word against such false Gurus. While I find that Sahaja Yogis still lack that complete faith in themselves and complete assertion. Where you have to assert you must assert. For example, anybody says something wrong against Me, you have to assert; must say, “No, not possible. It’s not!" But I have seen some people asking Me funny questions who are ‘Sahaja Yogis’ also! So the first part is that to see how much we are sensitive to spirituality. I have seen Sahaja Yogis supporting somebody who is so negative, you can't even bear that person and, [to them], such a person is something great, while somebody who is so good they cannot make it out. So what's the use? Your computer is so faulty, you'll do…I mean, the planes will have to run up and down if you have such a computer as Sahaja Yogis are! Because they just judge the other way round. A person who is good in Sahaja Yoga, who has got vibrations, he may be simple, he may be unassuming, he may not be so rich, he may not be so educated, may not be from some good universities or anything, but you must see the vibrations of that person! What sort of vibrations that person has, and then you should judge. Instead of that if you judge that person only because he's very good to talk and he talks well and very scholarly or something like that, that's not the point. The point is what are his vibrations! And once you see those vibrations and judge them on vibrations, then you are a Sahaja Yogi, otherwise I would not call you at all a Sahaja Yogi. But for a Guru it is very important. I have seen sometimes even the leaders supporting somebody who is absolutely horrid! I can't bear that person even for five minutes! But here the Guru sends him over to Me, “Oh, Mother, he's so good, you know, he donated so much money.” It doesn't matter. You donated money, so what? Who asked him to donate money? But he should not donate his bhoots to us now anymore! We don't want his bhoot! So that's what it is. So the judgment should be correct about a person when you say that this man is not good or that is not good. But mostly ‘gurus’ themselves are caught up and then they are ambitious and if somebody doesn't listen to them or somebody wants to give a lecture at a wrong time and somebody says, “You shouldn't talk like this,” or something, then they get angry. They are very hot tempered and they provoke people, they say things sometimes. And then when people react they say, “You are a bad Sahaja Yogi.” That's not the way. First of all a guru or a leader has to be himself a very mild, gentle, and a good person. He has to be in such a way [that] he should not demand anything, should not ask for anything. Never demand anything! Anybody who demands can not be a guru. Respect is to be commanded and not to be demanded. And so, everything works out well if you understand that - once you rise in your ascent, in your wisdom, in your awareness and in your Spirit - automatically all these things happen! You don't have to ask for anything, you don't have to plead for anything, you don't have to complain for anything, everything works out. You are looked after by all the ganas, by all the angels. They are there. You are on the stage. But if you are halfway then they play tricks with you. You see, they play tricks, they make you falter, you have problems, you go here, you go there, all these things happen and then you say, “Mother, how is it this happened?" Because they are also jokers, so they play jokes with you and they make problems for you just to make you understand that you are doing wrong. So we are on a stage where there's a beautiful security, everything is there and we have to give to the world such a great thing like Sahaja Yoga, which is for the emancipation of the whole world, as you realise, and so also I hope you realise your responsibilities. There are so many things one has to understand, how one has to be as a guru, how he has to act and how he has to work out. Now I have given so many lectures on Guru things, but, for today's lecture, only I have to say that, first thing, to have a guru system, you must have complete humility. Now, with Me, I would say, I am too simple and I am Mahamaya, so you be very careful. You cannot take liberties with Me. You cannot take. If you try to take too much liberties that means you are not a disciple. A disciple has to keep a distance from the Guru. You cannot just take liberties, walk into My room every time, sit there for hours together, chit-chat with Me - nothing! You have no right. Only when I call you, when I ask for you, you should come. Then you should not force things on the Guru that, “Please, come and listen to this,” or, “Do this!” that should not be said. For example, yesterday nobody told Me there are going to be these music programs or everything arranged. So we have to report everything to your leader, or to Me, all those things that you want to do. And it should be really transparent. Like this hand knows everything that this hand is doing, and this hand knows everything that this hand is doing. In the same way everybody should know each other. Then the gurus should not have jealousies for each other. This I'm just telling you because also I found out that there are certain jealousies. And when they talk there is a little bit of, “Ha, he's good, but this, this, this.” When they enjoy each other's company because they have reached a certain state and they understand, “This is the state we are in.” When they enjoy each other's company fully and appreciate each other much more than anybody else - the guru's company. All the company of the leaders, if they enjoy each other and there's no jealousy, there's no fight, there's no problem but just the enjoyment of the company, then they should know that they have become a guru. Now all of them never fought with each other. They supported. Actually it is one Principle was born again and again. But only the satanic people - they'll fight among themselves, not the godly. And also they will talk against the person who is a realised soul or who is an Incarnation, but never against themselves. It's very surprising that the satanic people though they fight among themselves, there are jealousies, they’ll never talk of each other. But here I find that in Sahaja Yoga we have freedom. But freedom is not abandonment, is the freedom with complete rules and regulations of the Divine, with us, and we have to know them that this is the Divine Law. So all of us are now sitting like in a big vimana, like an aeroplane, and we all have to land into the beautiful area. But first of all we have to develop that humility in your heart; complete humility and surrender, that's very important. Unless and until you have that humility and surrender in your heart, Guru principle can not be awakened. First you have to be the disciple and then the guru. So you have to develop that humility. And that humility comes very easily if you love Me, respect Me. It's not only love, but respect. That respect has to be there and then people will respect you. May God bless you! (Later after puja, Shri Mataji speaks about music performance of the concert the night before) This is a very, you see, pure raga and the purity of it, to be maintained, is very difficult as he has shown here little bit here and there to slip out in the playing of notes. It forms another raga, you see, it's very delicate raga. Like somebody says the path of God is like a very, very slim road. One side is a big, a huge mountain, another side is a big valley. In the same way this raga is a - raga which can only be taught by a very good guru, and only can be learned very well by a very good disciple, also. Because it is so delicate that slipping this side or that side you just get into another raga as he has shown you just now. So the purity of it and this is the real beauty of this raga is. I had heard this raga once upon a time by a very great singer, called Roshanara Begum and the one he was singing - just I asked My sister, “What is the bondage?", because I remember the song, but didn't remember the exact words, you see. Just now she told Me. And she is another great, great singer, Roshanara Begum, and the way she was singing, you know, as if the whole Puriya - the whole building of Puriya she made it manifest - really. She made it manifest - the whole Puriya raga. Say, such a beautiful thing and that is what it is that here is a sign of a person who has done it so much with that purity of raga, is the point - the purity of raga. And it's very good for Sahaja Yogis to know that the purity of understanding of that if you go a little bit this side, a little bit this side you get away from Sushumna. (After puja explanation Sahaja Yogis show the miracle photographs and Shri Mataji explains them) When the changes taking place, actually it's My name in Arabic, the changes taking place now. This is another one. This is My name, this one is My name in Arabic language in the other, in other direction. Then it becomes, then it becomes Omkara in other direction and Omkara becomes like a heart and with so many lines, there were no lines, nothing. The lights become Omkara. Now, this is before the puja they started with the photograph. This is another series. So the music started and the photograph started changing. Started going into different shapes. This one is easy languishes. The lights going into shapes. This is before that. Now they are writing My name, these lights are writing My name, started writing. Now this is another one. How the form's changing. Now see how the forms have changing. Here the vibrations are dancing. Vibrations are dancing, just see there. Then the Sahasrara. Then I disappear into light. One, two, three and then they all become lights which show one by one. ... These are the vibrations.

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Public Program, Day 2, Sala Kongresowa, Warsaw, (Poland), July 14th, 1990 I bow to all the seekers of truth. Truth is what it is and we can not change it. But we have to feel it In our evolutionary process whatever we have achieved we can feel it we can see it. Now, whatever he has told you about the centres that are within us, the subtle centres, the seven centres, are not to be believed blindly. But as I requested yesterday, that you have to keep your mind opened as scientists tell, then you see for yourself the hypothesis which are putting before you is proved or not. And if it is proved, you have to accept it as honest people. Because this is for our benevolence and for the emancipation of the whole human race. We believe that if we have political freedom, we have to become free. Still we are slaves of so many things. If you see the so-called developed countries, they are much more under the domination of their entrepreneurs than in countries which are not so developed. Because of their so-called freedom, they have landed themselves into different kinds of problems diseases like AIDS, drugs and violence. It seems that human beings don’t know how to use their money, their power and their freedom. Also, we do not know the absolute truth. Everybody has a different opinion about everything. Everybody has their own ideologies and everybody thinks, "We are the best". If truth is one, all of us must agree that should not be the second opinion about it. We have created also the problems like ecological problems, all very collectively and we have also produced atom bombs and hydrogen bombs, everything that is so destructive. We don’t want to talk of war all right. But at the time, when we have peace ,we try to plan for wars. So, something has gone wrong with us and that is what we have to understand. Still, we are at the level that we have freedom only to think for ourselves. But still, as we are not in that reality, whatever we think just becomes mental acrobatics. Now within us lies this instrument that he has told. And in the triangular bone, called as sacrum as I told you, is this energy of pure desire This energy is the energy which is reflected from the Primordial Mother .The one who has created all this universe and has created us and the one who is now going to give us that higher awareness and new dimension of Collective Consciousness. In different religions, she is called by different names like the Holy Ghost or she is called as Kudra or in Sanskrit is called as Adi Shakti. And all her power has been doing all the living work. This energy is coiled in three and the half coils. It has some mathematical relationship. And because of the coils, she is called as kundalini because 'kundal' means 'coils'. Now, this is a knowledge of the roots that lies in ourselves. Now, this power is of pure desire because all other desires are not sensible. They do not give us the satisfaction. Now, how does the awaking of the kundalini cure the diseases? In this short time, I can explain to you about one centre. We will see about the second centre that we have. This centre, as you will see, is connected directly with all the chakras and ultimately to the brain through a channel which we call as Pingala Nadi, which is the right side. So, when you go too much to the right side, means you are very futuristic, you are very hard working, put yourself to too much physical strain or mental strain then you go to a right. Because this channel looks after our mental and physical actions. So all these right-sided people think too much. Especially in modern times we think too much. When we think too much then there is the replacement of the grey cells has to take place because we are using that energy. Now it is the centre witch supplies that energy to the brain. Now, when we think that we are doing something ourselves also we develop an institution called 'ego' on the left hand side because it crosses skull - plus I mean, doing this kind of work it has to also do very important other work which is to supply to other organs in this area. That is it has to look after our liver, our pantries, our spleen, kidneys and lower part of our channels lower parts of the intestines. So, when you spend all inner your energy in thinking this centre gets exhausted and it can not look after these organs which are very widely. So first trouble you develop is liver trouble. Because of liver trouble, you become extremely heated up because a liver has a capacity to absorb the heat of the body like poison and emitted in the blood. Now, when this heat starts moving upward, you develop a disease called 'asthma'. And when it starts travelling downward, you develop a disease which we called as 'constipation'. Then is the pancreas. It is affected because of neglect. So when you think too much, you develop diabetes. See, in an Indian village, people take sugar in the thee, they say that the sugar should be such that the spoon must stand as a right angle. So much sugar should be there. But they do not develop diabetes. Because they do not think. They are not worried about the future but only people who sit down and all the time plan too much. Most of the plans of course fail. Mostly the bureaucrats, they get diabetes or politicians maybe. So, this is the problem with the people who are in modern times - too much thinking. But the worst thing happens to your spleen. Spleen is the keeper of the rhythm, by rhythm in our body whenever there is an emergency, the spleen creates more red blood corpses. But these days, we have such a heartsick life, such a fast life that this poor spleen doesn't know how to cope with the madness. And most of the madness comes from the funny norms we have created for our society like, we have to be dressed like this, we have to be eating like this, we have to sit like this, all kinds of funny norms. There is no natural behaviour left for us to follow. And the sensation realisation of the newspapers also, they have to shock us otherwise, they don't think they are worth that much money. I don't know about Polish films but if you see some English or American films after that you can't sleep for three nights. So, all kinds of shocking music these are horrible music, very strong ones. They just jar your head completely Our body is very delicate, our mind is very delicate. Is not like a machine or like a tank And this bombardment on the spleen is too much sometimes and is also a under neglect then what happens I show you now this is the center we have from the left and right side both sides meet and make a centre And you start using one of the specially the right side and it starts exhausting with energy like this and some sort of an emotional attack or some sort of left sided attack can just pull it out like that. So, there is no connection left with the central part, nervous system and what sets in, trigered is cancer, blood cancer. I must say that Sahaja Yoga has cured blood cancer. You develope blood presure with it, you develope kidney problems And you have to go for dializes and all kinds of problems you have to face. The other day, in Moscow, we had a patient suffering with multiple sclerosis what is absolutely not curable. She couldn't walk, she couldn't sit also properly. So, I ask some of the Sahaja Yogis to give her Sahaja Yoga treatment. Withwin 15 minutes, she started feeling better, she sat up. I told her, "You are allright you get up and walk now”. She couldn't believe it. She was holding on the chair slowly. I said, ”Live the chair. Just get up and walk” . And she started walking so fast that everybody started laughing. And next day, she came and she told Me, "I am the one was cured yesterday, if you remember me, madame". But for all these, kundalini has to rise and has to get connected with that All-pervading Power You are cured by your own kundalini. As I told you, the centres are separated and the kundalini passes through them and integrates them. And then she nourishes them Same thing on the mental side. Onece you are physically and mentally all right, then you start growing spiritually. First, the light of the Spirit comes into your attention and your attention becomes very powerful. For example, normally when we look at something we react to it, we start thinking about it. For example, there is a nice carpet here which is done by some artist. So, when I look at it normaly, I would think, "How much it has cost? When I can get it? How to?" Or if it is mine, it is a greater headache. If it is mine, I will get worried, "Oh, my God! It will be spoiled". But like thoughts will rise and fall again, the thoughts will rise and fall. And we jump on the course of the thoughts which come from the future, from the past, but we can not be in the present There is very little space between one thought and an another. When you get your Realisation, then you get a state of your mind which we call as thoughless awerness. When you look on something very beautiful your thoughts stop. And all the joy that the creator of this carpet has put in, you start flowing down very smoothly with such smoothy effect. And after that, if we pay attention to anyone and want to know how that person is, you can feel on your finger tips his centres. All the centres, you can feel on your hands: seven of them One 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7. This is on the left hand side, is the emotion side, and right hand side, as I told you, is the phisical and mental side. Now you pay attention to someone and if you know how to help that person sitting down here you can work it out. And such a person has very innocent eyes. As Christ has said now shall we not have the dirty eyes. So in that glance there is no lust or greed But is just seeing, withness him. And if you can withness something then you think that all thing is a drama you don't get involved into it. Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of the waves but somehow if you can get into the boat you can enjoy the waves But somehow if you can learn how to swim you can save others In the same way you solve your problems and solve the problems of others But you become egoless so you don't think you are doing it. You just say, "It's happening”. This All-pervading Power of love is so effective, so efficient that all the time you start feeling so many miracles in your life Once I asked them: „all right you'll write about all your miracles”. And every time they used to tell me, so I find to like this on one side and another on this site. I don't know what to write and what to understand If you tied the eyes of children were realised souls and ask them what is wrong with this fellow. They will all show you the same finger Supposing they show this finger, so you ask the man, "Are you suffering from throat trouble?” He says, "Yes, of course,” So it is not only about health, about anything you feel the same. You can understand all are the same thing. Yesterday, I said that Lenin was a Realized soul. That was nothing to get angry because on vibrations you know that he was. But he was forced into that party because always strong trade hard-liners. Gorbatchov was another Realized soul. And also, he was tested this time but he put down his foot, and he has managed many things somehow, because there are so many Sahaja Yogis. So somebody will criticize, somebody, will say, "It's wrong" or we think that somebody we hate. But when see them on vibrations, we don't hate. We just talk the language of this chakras, "This is wrong with that fellow", "This chakra is wrong, that chakra is wrong". So the whole thing becomes very subtle. Yesterday, some people did not feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, or we can cool breeze which is the All-pervading Power of love, and they did not feel it. And I told them, you did not forgive And when they said „I forgive everyone” before me they felt it. So, the ordinary science that we know can be challenged, can be corrected. But this is metascience because Spirit is the source of truth and of knowledge. It is the source of joy. We have happiness and unhappiness but joy doesn't have two sides of a coin. And the Spirit is the collective being within us, because is the reflection of one source. So, we all get collectively conscious Is not just verbal saying we are brothers and sisters, but actually we become that. I told you yesterday, how, when I went to Russia first, the German Sahaja Yogis came there to help Me. And here too, the Germans have arrived. With what love, which what understanding, which such care they are giving realisations. So all hatred and all destructive ideas are finished They all have become universal beings and all these petty ideas have vanished from their heads. When they go to India also, I see these villagers from India just come and hug them there are scientist, there weird people also who go there. There is no idea as to what your position is in life. Every year, we have a seminar in December in India and there are people coming from 40 nations. And the way they love each other and enjoy each other No quarrelling, no fight, nothing Such friendship, Of course, they pull each other's leg very sweetly That's a good sign I just enjoy all that love In the west I started my work in England, which was very difficult place And this first 7 hippies all very well educated from Cambridge and Oxford, were all drug addicts. And then, I worked on them and they got their Realisation. These are special days which are described, even by many poets. Of course, in Sanksrit, we have many elaborated descriptions and prophecies about this days These are the days of the last Judgement But many English poets also have described like William Blake. He calls the seekers of truth as 'men of God' and than they will bacome saintly and godly through this. These are blossom times. Formerly there used to be one or two seekers. There were one or two flowers on the tree of life. Now, blossom time has come There are so many seekers! And they have to get the truth of their seek. It's a very deep subject. And if you have to cure this tree of civilisation, you have to go to the roots to nourish it. And for that, you have to become subtler beings. And that is what is happening In many countries, even the goverments has accepted Sahaja Yoga as a journey process. And such countries will be very strong countries. It's not the money or and it's not the things that you have, that makes you strong, but the quality of strenght has to be expressed in the personality of human beings. That is why we have to create that beautiful world of peace, joy and love. This is what we have to give to our progeny. May God bless you all. Question: Do you believe in Christianity? What do you think about Christianity? What is the relation between Christ and Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: It's a very direct question. But as I'm your mother I need to tell you the truth. I was myself born in a Christian family. When I was very small I was shocked that in the Bible there is somebody called St. Paul. He had nothing to do with Christ He saw some cross which you call as supra consciousness experience. And he thought it's a nice way to jump on a stage and to preach over Christianity of which he had no idea. Even Khalil Gibran has criticized him very much. I asked my father, who was a Realised soul, what are these gentlemen doing there? And he said Marathi word which means fort 'squatter' sitting there. A person who enters into a house and seats there. It is he who organised Christ. He gave a very different picture to what Christ has said. And later, St. Augustin who joined him. He must be the same person born again. And what Christ has said that, "You have to be born again. You have to be the Spirit". But he did not make it a Spirit-oriented Christianity. But it's a power-oriented, it's money-oriented, it's building oriented, church-oriented Christ. The greatest weapon he gave us is forgiveness. Such compassion. On the cross he says, "Let forgive them, they do not know what they are doing”. And do you know how they came to India and how they spread Christianity? In the right hand, a gun and in the left, the Bible. Thank God, Columbus lost his way to come to India. Otherwise, none of the Indians would have been there as there is nobody who is the aboriginal now existing in Argentina, America or anywhere.? When did Christ say you kill people who do not take to Christianity What are they doing? I just don't understand. Christ is very much there in Sahaja Yoga. We can't give you Realisation without Christ. He resides in the Agnya chakra there, on the optical channels, as I told you yesterday. And when the Kundalini rises she awakes Christ and the ego and superego, which are covering our brain, are sucked That's what he said that he died for our karmas and our sins. If this chakra doesn't open then you have to say the Lord's Prayer. He suffered for us. He carried the cross There is no need for us to suffer. Are we going to suffer more than him? To say that you have to suffer or that you have to be punished is against Christ. The way they put the picture, I saw it, in Sikstin Chapel, like Michael Angelo putting him like big, huge Christ sitting there and sort of doing the work of Last Judgement. Because Michael Angelo was realised soul so you could see him in a clear perspective The whole that Sikstin Chapel fresco is Kundalini itself. And Christ is sitting at Agnya, while down below, under table, you find Christ which is bonning structure as if- like he was a tubercular patient. Do you think such a skeleton can carry such a heavy cross? To make everyone to look at Christ, so much miserable, it makes Me cry and weep to see like that. Their main understanding should be that Christ has said, "Thou shall not have deleter eyes”. Oh my God! I have seen some of the horrible residences of these priests and these people, and I could not believe how they could be Christians. How many Christians will fall …

Public Program, Day 2, Sala Kongresowa, Warsaw, (Poland), July 14th, 1990 I bow to all the seekers of truth. Truth is what it is and we can not change it. But we have to feel it In our evolutionary process whatever we have achieved we can feel it we can see it. Now, whatever he has told you about the centres that are within us, the subtle centres, the seven centres, are not to be believed blindly. But as I requested yesterday, that you have to keep your mind opened as scientists tell, then you see for yourself the hypothesis which are putting before you is proved or not. And if it is proved, you have to accept it as honest people. Because this is for our benevolence and for the emancipation of the whole human race. We believe that if we have political freedom, we have to become free. Still we are slaves of so many things. If you see the so-called developed countries, they are much more under the domination of their entrepreneurs than in countries which are not so developed. Because of their so-called freedom, they have landed themselves into different kinds of problems diseases like AIDS, drugs and violence. It seems that human beings don’t know how to use their money, their power and their freedom. Also, we do not know the absolute truth. Everybody has a different opinion about everything. Everybody has their own ideologies and everybody thinks, "We are the best". If truth is one, all of us must agree that should not be the second opinion about it. We have created also the problems like ecological problems, all very collectively and we have also produced atom bombs and hydrogen bombs, everything that is so destructive. We don’t want to talk of war all right. But at the time, when we have peace ,we try to plan for wars. So, something has gone wrong with us and that is what we have to understand. Still, we are at the level that we have freedom only to think for ourselves. But still, as we are not in that reality, whatever we think just becomes mental acrobatics. Now within us lies this instrument that he has told. And in the triangular bone, called as sacrum as I told you, is this energy of pure desire This energy is the energy which is reflected from the Primordial Mother .The one who has created all this universe and has created us and the one who is now going to give us that higher awareness and new dimension of Collective Consciousness. In different religions, she is called by different names like the Holy Ghost or she is called as Kudra or in Sanskrit is called as Adi Shakti. And all her power has been doing all the living work. This energy is coiled in three and the half coils. It has some mathematical relationship. And because of the coils, she is called as kundalini because 'kundal' means 'coils'. Now, this is a knowledge of the roots that lies in ourselves. Now, this power is of pure desire because all other desires are not sensible. They do not give us the satisfaction. Now, how does the awaking of the kundalini cure the diseases? In this short time, I can explain to you about one centre. We will see about the second centre that we have. This centre, as you will see, is connected directly with all the chakras and ultimately to the brain through a channel which we call as Pingala Nadi, which is the right side. So, when you go too much to the right side, means you are very futuristic, you are very hard working, put yourself to too much physical strain or mental strain then you go to a right. Because this channel looks after our mental and physical actions. So all these right-sided people think too much. Especially in modern times we think too much. When we think too much then there is the replacement of the grey cells has to take place because we are using that energy. Now it is the centre witch supplies that energy to the brain. Now, when we think that we are doing something ourselves also we develop an institution called 'ego' on the left hand side because it crosses skull - plus I mean, doing this kind of work it has to also do very important other work which is to supply to other organs in this area. That is it has to look after our liver, our pantries, our spleen, kidneys and lower part of our channels lower parts of the intestines. So, when you spend all inner your energy in thinking this centre gets exhausted and it can not look after these organs which are very widely. So first trouble you develop is liver trouble. Because of liver trouble, you become extremely heated up because a liver has a capacity to absorb the heat of the body like poison and emitted in the blood. Now, when this heat starts moving upward, you develop a disease called 'asthma'. And when it starts travelling downward, you develop a disease which we called as 'constipation'. Then is the pancreas. It is affected because of neglect. So when you think too much, you develop diabetes. See, in an Indian village, people take sugar in the thee, they say that the sugar should be such that the spoon must stand as a right angle. So much sugar should be there. But they do not develop diabetes. Because they do not think. They are not worried about the future but only people who sit down and all the time plan too much. Most of the plans of course fail. Mostly the bureaucrats, they get diabetes or politicians maybe. So, this is the problem with the people who are in modern times - too much thinking. But the worst thing happens to your spleen. Spleen is the keeper of the rhythm, by rhythm in our body whenever there is an emergency, the spleen creates more red blood corpses. But these days, we have such a heartsick life, such a fast life that this poor spleen doesn't know how to cope with the madness. And most of the madness comes from the funny norms we have created for our society like, we have to be dressed like this, we have to be eating like this, we have to sit like this, all kinds of funny norms. There is no natural behaviour left for us to follow. And the sensation realisation of the newspapers also, they have to shock us otherwise, they don't think they are worth that much money. I don't know about Polish films but if you see some English or American films after that you can't sleep for three nights. So, all kinds of shocking music these are horrible music, very strong ones. They just jar your head completely Our body is very delicate, our mind is very delicate. Is not like a machine or like a tank And this bombardment on the spleen is too much sometimes and is also a under neglect then what happens I show you now this is the center we have from the left and right side both sides meet and make a centre And you start using one of the specially the right side and it starts exhausting with energy like this and some sort of an emotional attack or some sort of left sided attack can just pull it out like that. So, there is no connection left with the central part, nervous system and what sets in, trigered is cancer, blood cancer. I must say that Sahaja Yoga has cured blood cancer. You develope blood presure with it, you develope kidney problems And you have to go for dializes and all kinds of problems you have to face. The other day, in Moscow, we had a patient suffering with multiple sclerosis what is absolutely not curable. She couldn't walk, she couldn't sit also properly. So, I ask some of the Sahaja Yogis to give her Sahaja Yoga treatment. Withwin 15 minutes, she started feeling better, she sat up. I told her, "You are allright you get up and walk now”. She couldn't believe it. She was holding on the chair slowly. I said, ”Live the chair. Just get up and walk” . And she started walking so fast that everybody started laughing. And next day, she came and she told Me, "I am the one was cured yesterday, if you remember me, madame". But for all these, kundalini has to rise and has to get connected with that All-pervading Power You are cured by your own kundalini. As I told you, the centres are separated and the kundalini passes through them and integrates them. And then she nourishes them Same thing on the mental side. Onece you are physically and mentally all right, then you start growing spiritually. First, the light of the Spirit comes into your attention and your attention becomes very powerful. For example, normally when we look at something we react to it, we start thinking about it. For example, there is a nice carpet here which is done by some artist. So, when I look at it normaly, I would think, "How much it has cost? When I can get it? How to?" Or if it is mine, it is a greater headache. If it is mine, I will get worried, "Oh, my God! It will be spoiled". But like thoughts will rise and fall again, the thoughts will rise and fall. And we jump on the course of the thoughts which come from the future, from the past, but we can not be in the present There is very little space between one thought and an another. When you get your Realisation, then you get a state of your mind which we call as thoughless awerness. When you look on something very beautiful your thoughts stop. And all the joy that the creator of this carpet has put in, you start flowing down very smoothly with such smoothy effect. And after that, if we pay attention to anyone and want to know how that person is, you can feel on your finger tips his centres. All the centres, you can feel on your hands: seven of them One 1,2,3,4,5,6, and 7. This is on the left hand side, is the emotion side, and right hand side, as I told you, is the phisical and mental side. Now you pay attention to someone and if you know how to help that person sitting down here you can work it out. And such a person has very innocent eyes. As Christ has said now shall we not have the dirty eyes. So in that glance there is no lust or greed But is just seeing, withness him. And if you can withness something then you think that all thing is a drama you don't get involved into it. Supposing you are in the water, you are afraid of the waves but somehow if you can get into the boat you can enjoy the waves But somehow if you can learn how to swim you can save others In the same way you solve your problems and solve the problems of others But you become egoless so you don't think you are doing it. You just say, "It's happening”. This All-pervading Power of love is so effective, so efficient that all the time you start feeling so many miracles in your life Once I asked them: „all right you'll write about all your miracles”. And every time they used to tell me, so I find to like this on one side and another on this site. I don't know what to write and what to understand If you tied the eyes of children were realised souls and ask them what is wrong with this fellow. They will all show you the same finger Supposing they show this finger, so you ask the man, "Are you suffering from throat trouble?” He says, "Yes, of course,” So it is not only about health, about anything you feel the same. You can understand all are the same thing. Yesterday, I said that Lenin was a Realized soul. That was nothing to get angry because on vibrations you know that he was. But he was forced into that party because always strong trade hard-liners. Gorbatchov was another Realized soul. And also, he was tested this time but he put down his foot, and he has managed many things somehow, because there are so many Sahaja Yogis. So somebody will criticize, somebody, will say, "It's wrong" or we think that somebody we hate. But when see them on vibrations, we don't hate. We just talk the language of this chakras, "This is wrong with that fellow", "This chakra is wrong, that chakra is wrong". So the whole thing becomes very subtle. Yesterday, some people did not feel the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost, or we can cool breeze which is the All-pervading Power of love, and they did not feel it. And I told them, you did not forgive And when they said „I forgive everyone” before me they felt it. So, the ordinary science that we know can be challenged, can be corrected. But this is metascience because Spirit is the source of truth and of knowledge. It is the source of joy. We have happiness and unhappiness but joy doesn't have two sides of a coin. And the Spirit is the collective being within us, because is the reflection of one source. So, we all get collectively conscious Is not just verbal saying we are brothers and sisters, but actually we become that. I told you yesterday, how, when I went to Russia first, the German Sahaja Yogis came there to help Me. And here too, the Germans have arrived. With what love, which what understanding, which such care they are giving realisations. So all hatred and all destructive ideas are finished They all have become universal beings and all these petty ideas have vanished from their heads. When they go to India also, I see these villagers from India just come and hug them there are scientist, there weird people also who go there. There is no idea as to what your position is in life. Every year, we have a seminar in December in India and there are people coming from 40 nations. And the way they love each other and enjoy each other No quarrelling, no fight, nothing Such friendship, Of course, they pull each other's leg very sweetly That's a good sign I just enjoy all that love In the west I started my work in England, which was very difficult place And this first 7 hippies all very well educated from Cambridge and Oxford, were all drug addicts. And then, I worked on them and they got their Realisation. These are special days which are described, even by many poets. Of course, in Sanksrit, we have many elaborated descriptions and prophecies about this days These are the days of the last Judgement But many English poets also have described like William Blake. He calls the seekers of truth as 'men of God' and than they will bacome saintly and godly through this. These are blossom times. Formerly there used to be one or two seekers. There were one or two flowers on the tree of life. Now, blossom time has come There are so many seekers! And they have to get the truth of their seek. It's a very deep subject. And if you have to cure this tree of civilisation, you have to go to the roots to nourish it. And for that, you have to become subtler beings. And that is what is happening In many countries, even the goverments has accepted Sahaja Yoga as a journey process. And such countries will be very strong countries. It's not the money or and it's not the things that you have, that makes you strong, but the quality of strenght has to be expressed in the personality of human beings. That is why we have to create that beautiful world of peace, joy and love. This is what we have to give to our progeny. May God bless you all. Question: Do you believe in Christianity? What do you think about Christianity? What is the relation between Christ and Sahaja Yoga? Shri Mataji: It's a very direct question. But as I'm your mother I need to tell you the truth. I was myself born in a Christian family. When I was very small I was shocked that in the Bible there is somebody called St. Paul. He had nothing to do with Christ He saw some cross which you call as supra consciousness experience. And he thought it's a nice way to jump on a stage and to preach over Christianity of which he had no idea. Even Khalil Gibran has criticized him very much. I asked my father, who was a Realised soul, what are these gentlemen doing there? And he said Marathi word which means fort 'squatter' sitting there. A person who enters into a house and seats there. It is he who organised Christ. He gave a very different picture to what Christ has said. And later, St. Augustin who joined him. He must be the same person born again. And what Christ has said that, "You have to be born again. You have to be the Spirit". But he did not make it a Spirit-oriented Christianity. But it's a power-oriented, it's money-oriented, it's building oriented, church-oriented Christ. The greatest weapon he gave us is forgiveness. Such compassion. On the cross he says, "Let forgive them, they do not know what they are doing”. And do you know how they came to India and how they spread Christianity? In the right hand, a gun and in the left, the Bible. Thank God, Columbus lost his way to come to India. Otherwise, none of the Indians would have been there as there is nobody who is the aboriginal now existing in Argentina, America or anywhere.? When did Christ say you kill people who do not take to Christianity What are they doing? I just don't understand. Christ is very much there in Sahaja Yoga. We can't give you Realisation without Christ. He resides in the Agnya chakra there, on the optical channels, as I told you yesterday. And when the Kundalini rises she awakes Christ and the ego and superego, which are covering our brain, are sucked That's what he said that he died for our karmas and our sins. If this chakra doesn't open then you have to say the Lord's Prayer. He suffered for us. He carried the cross There is no need for us to suffer. Are we going to suffer more than him? To say that you have to suffer or that you have to be punished is against Christ. The way they put the picture, I saw it, in Sikstin Chapel, like Michael Angelo putting him like big, huge Christ sitting there and sort of doing the work of Last Judgement. Because Michael Angelo was realised soul so you could see him in a clear perspective The whole that Sikstin Chapel fresco is Kundalini itself. And Christ is sitting at Agnya, while down below, under table, you find Christ which is bonning structure as if- like he was a tubercular patient. Do you think such a skeleton can carry such a heavy cross? To make everyone to look at Christ, so much miserable, it makes Me cry and weep to see like that. Their main understanding should be that Christ has said, "Thou shall not have deleter eyes”. Oh my God! I have seen some of the horrible residences of these priests and these people, and I could not believe how they could be Christians. How many Christians will fall …

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1990-0720 Public Program Day 2, Prague I bow to all the seekers of the Truth. Yesterday I told you that Truth is what it is. And with human awareness you cannot know it. For that you have to become a subtler being. To know the Truth, you have to become a subtler being. For all these there is a mechanism within you which works it out. It is sahaj means is spontaneous. And also, every human being has a right to get the yoga means the union with this all-pervading power of God. Of course, you cannot pay for it. Like the Mother Earth has the built-in quality it her to sprout a seed which has built-in sprouting quality. In the same way this is the living process of our evolutionary end. Yesterday I told you how it works and what are the advantages of getting your self-realization. With that you get physically, mentally, emotionally balanced and you get cured of your problems. You become extremely dynamic and extremely compassionate. Now also as I told you that you become the Spirit. So today I want to tell you about the nature of the Spirit. Spirit connects you to this all-pervading power. But unclear() it is the source of all the knowledge. For example, when you get your self-realization, you feel a cool breeze coming into your hands and coming out of your head. This is you feel the all-pervading power, the subtle pervading power which you have not felt before. And also on these five fingers, six and seven you feel the subtle centers within yourself. On the left-hand side you see the problems of your emotional life. And the right side you feel the physical and mental side. Now we unclear() five six and seven centers in ourselves. What is wrong we ask and what is wrong it comes. And on these fingertips you can feel the heat or you can feel the burning sometimes little bit and sometimes you feel absolutely a numbness. Now when you feel anything like you can decode it. And then you should know how to get over the problems. Then you can cure yourself and you can cure others also. So, it becomes so very easy: to cure very serious unclear (diseases). So now the main object of our life is to become the Spirit. When you become the Spirit then the light of the Spirit spreads in your attention, so that on your central nevus system you can feel the Truth. So, you can have absolute knowledge as if you become a Divine computer. And everyone gets the same information. So, you become knowledgeable of actual Truth, there is no difference of opinion. As you can feel others you become really collectively conscious. You become collectively conscious means your awareness expands. And that awareness makes you feel that you are part and parcel of the whole. You get it collectively conscious that means who is the other? The second thing that happens to you: that you become thoughtlessly aware. That means a thought rises and falls and another thought rises and falls. And in between the thoughts there is a little space. While we are only jumping on the cusp of the thoughts that is coming from the future or the past. So, when the Kundalini rises then these thoughts become small and the space in between the thoughts increases - it is the present. Alright, now we look at anything we start reacting with thoughts. For example, a nice carpet is here, I look at it and I start thinking about it, all kinds of joyless thoughts. Like how much it has cost and whose it is and all kinds of nonsense. But if I look at it without thinking then the joy that is put in its artists whole joy becomes abstract and starts falling from my head soothing me down. Now this is what unclear() beautiful buildings. I would think of anything but the joy that has put into it by its creators, the artists started falling all over. I felt so refreshed and so relaxed and joyous. So, the attention becomes full of joy. When the Kundalini rises, She cleanses all your centers and nourishes them. Alright, we have got difficulties as we found this gentleman whose mother is unclear() and he is very poor. Translator: Bahot mushkil hai (very difficult) Shri Mataji: I know that. Translator: I think she can translate better. Shri Mataji: She can correct. Alright, tell him the words. Alright, alright she is also a little diffident about it. Because of the language. He is also he is saying that she can do better. Female Translator: Thank you. Shri Mataji: We need two persons. You will have to try. There are limitations of every language especially English. So, we know the Truth because of the which is the embodiment of the Truth. Now also our attention gets enlightened because Spirit is the source of light. So, sitting down here you can find out about anybody’s vibrations. Also, this Spirit is the source of joy. And this source of joy takes you away from the duality of happiness and unhappiness. So that you reside in the beautiful realm of peace. The feelings you have for each other is only of pure love. That is in your attention there is no lust and greed. Because you develop a witness state (Sakshi Swaroop). Now witness state is a state where you see everything as a drama. Supposing you are standing in the water then you are afraid of the waves. But somehow if you can get on to the boat then you can watch the waves. But If you know how to swim then you can jump in the water and save many people. Thus, you become the saviors of the people. The first power you get that you become thoughtlessly aware. Second you get become collectively consciousness. And the third power you get that you can raise the kundalini of others and give them self-realization. Thus, you can cure others and also you can give self-realization. And you become self-confident. Because gradually you feel that you are protected from this all-pervading power. And you get experiences of great miracles of help that you get from this all-pervading power. Moreover, I have seen many musicians, artists have suddenly become great artists, world famous artists after getting self-realization. You feel very young and the energy is all the time flowing in you. The attitude towards your self-changes and you understand your glory and your greatness. But you do not get into a ego state by which you dominate others. Neither you dominate nor you take domination. Anybody who tries to dominate you is looked after by the all-pervading power. And then you become a universal being. Now those people who have come to your country are from different western world. Now these people are singing Sanskrit songs and Hindi and Marathi songs which are very difficult to sing. We could not teach even one sentence to an English man in Hindi language properly. They lived in India for 300 years and did not learn any of our Music or our language nothing. But now I find with sahaja yoga they are singing just like an Indian. And next time you will find them singing in unclear (Jugoslavakian) songs. So, an absolute rapport is established. This is what we want today. Then you become your own master. You become very powerful. There are so many habits we have which we want to give up, but we cannot because we are not so powerful. But when you become a self-realized soul, all habits drop out automatically. You exactly know what is good and what is bad. And you will always do whatever is benevolent to you. Which is benevolent to your society, to your country to the whole world. You automatically become a very righteous person, a very moral person and a very loving person. You forgive people and enjoy the forgiveness. And then you love, after forgiving you love. There is such an cean of love that you become extremely patient peaceful, relaxed. This is the new age. This is the last judgement. As Mohammad sahab also has said in his Quran that your hands will speak and they will judge you at the time of resurrection. He calls this as resurrection time. So sahaja yoga relates to all the religions and gives the essence of all the religions and the Truth about the all the religions. Because of that there can not be any quarrel between the two religions. It relates to science completely. It explains science. It points out the unclear (origins, Hurajians) of science. And also, it explains all the problems of Ecology and Politics and Economies. Thus, we become very knowledgeable knowing all the principles of every ideology. For example, if I am very powerful, I am a capitalist. But I can not live with my capital I have to distribute so I am an absolute communist. What I distribute is the love that I have. We have never used the power of love so far. Never. We have never used the power of love. They have only used the power of hatred. So now you should know that you are the instrument of the power of love. And that is the most powerful weapon we have. These great times are already prophesized thousands of years back. And now the time has come to full fill all the promises. In the early days / ancient days there were very few flowers on the tree of life. Now it’s a blossom time. That there are so many seekers today of truth that is the blossom time. Also, luckily I have developed a method by which we can give a mass self-realization. So, I asked them to ask questions yesterday have they given the questions? Now wirttendown(write-down). Yogi: Yes, we got the questions before the evening began. The first question was already answered regarding the Quran. Shri Mataji: Ya. Yogini: How todays person can harmonize his life with his wish to get self-realization? Whether it’s a process psychological, mental or social. Shri Mataji: It is neither physical nor psychological nor mental. It is spiritual. It is beyond these three aspects. I have said that it is beyond all these three. As we say in Sanskrit - Gunateet. It is beyond these three things is a spiritual. Or you can say spiritual manifestation. All these three things you already have. What is there to think about them? This is beyond which we do not have it in us manifested. Yogi: The next question is – what is your opinion about the Vedas, they made a university in Prague by Americans. Vedic university and they have put one topic in their course – Transcendental Meditation. Shri Mataji: Oh my God, in the Vedas unclear() marketed. TM is a marketing company. Now please see that these horrible things are not here. They use black magic. In the Vedas it is written in the beginning only that after knowing the Vedas if you do not get your self-realization, it is useless. Now the word Veda comes from the word Vidh. Vidh means to know on your central nervus system. Now also in the Vedas it is written that after getting your self-realization you should know the Tantr, Yantr and Mantr. Now the Yantr means the mechanism. After realization not before. After realization you should know the mechanism. Then you should know the Trantra means the technique. And thirdly you should know the Mantra means what is to be said to open the centers. What chanting has to be said for opening the centers. And you see this chakra, Agnya chakra of Christ, you have to say Lord’s prayer. To open the center. You have to say Lords’ prayer and you have to forgive everyone. You must ask TM people first to give your realization. They are marketing everything. And they have ruined so many lives already. Too many questions. Those questions that came before are better. These are not. Too much. Because we have limited time and yesterday they asked us to go out after unclear(). So these are individual problems which we will solve you later on, we are of follow on tomorrow. What is the address for the follow on. Tomorrow they will be having follow on, and just now we’ll have our self-realization. That is much better. They will tell you the practical side of sahaja yoga. Address batado (tell the address) Dheere Dheere batado woh likh rahi (tell them slowly, they are noting it down), Time bhee batao (tell the time also). Now, let us now get to the point why we are here. I am sorry the acoustics are not alright. But will tell you slowly and try to understand. You must do everything very carefully. So, you should see how it is to be done. Yesterday you missed one point. When they said that put your hand on the back side of the head you put it on the back side of your neck. It should be here, that’s very important specially for Prague. I have seen this center catches very much here. On the back side of your head. Optic lobe is there. Alright, so now somebody will show you how to do. Alright If you can move a little bit, then they can also see I think. Tomorrow in follow on they will tell you. Its much simpler than this. But they will tell you tomorrow the simplest method in follow on. Alright. So first you please have to take out your shoes because this Mother Earth is going to help us. Please do it peacefully not to make noise. Peacefully. Please put both the feet away from each other because these are two powers working. See the acoustics are not good. Put little away. Now speak. Now, you have to put both the feet away from each other and sit comfortably not pushing too much forward or backward but comfortably straight. Now please know there are two conditions before we start. The first condition as I told you yesterday that you have to forget your past. You have to be in the present. That is you have to know that you are not guilty of anything. After all you are human beings so what mistakes can you commit? You are not Gods so why should you feel guilty? What ever the past is finished. You have to be in the present today. This is very important. Yesterday many people did not get realization because they are still feeling guilty. Alright now, you will have to know that whether you forgive someone or don’t forget someone you don’t do anything. But if you do not forgive then you suffer for nothing at all. At the hands of others who want to torture you. So why should you play into the hands of other people? You please forgive everyone in general don’t think about individual. It’s very important. Because this Agnya chakra of Christ wont open unless and until you forgive. It is closed like this. And then it opens like this when you forgive. Then the Kundalini can pass through it. It’s very important and that’s why I am requesting you. You can not miss your self-realization. Firstly, you suffer by not forgiving and then also you will miss your self-realization by not forgiving. So why not forgive everyone once for all and be light? Alright so now you have to put your left-hand towards me like this. Left-hand symbolizes your desire to get self-realization. And the right-hand is for the action. So now we put our right-hand on our heart first. Here resides the spirit. Then we put our right-hand on the upper portion of our abdomen. Which is the center of your mastery. Now you put your right-hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, we work only on left side. This is the center of pure knowledge. That manifests on your central nervus system. Now please take your hand again back to the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now you take your right-hand again on your heart. Now take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. This center catches when you feel guilty. And you develop diseases like spondylitis and angina. Now please take your right-hand on your forehead across and press both the temples. And put down your head. This is the center where you have to forgive everyone in general. Now please take this right-hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes. For your own satisfaction you have to ask forgiveness from this all-pervading power of love. Now please stretch your palm, put down your head please. And put the center of your palm on the top of the fontanelle bone area which was soft bone. Now press it hard. Press it hard. Here you have to move your scalp with pressure. So please push back your fingers and put a nice pressure and move your scalp seven times clockwise. That’s all we will have to do. Now the mistake I think is that: they didn’t pushout their fingers. They were holding head like this. You have to push out. Pushout and put a pressure. Pushout pushout fingers. And now put down your head and then move it seven times. Put down your head as much as you can put down. Please do it seven times slowly. Now we can close your eyes, please take out your spectacles and don’t open your eyes till I tell you. Alright, now please put your left-hand towards me. And keep both the feet away from each other. Now please put right-hand on your heart. And now close your eyes. Please don’t open them till I tell you. Now here on the center of heart you have to ask me a question three times which is very fundamental. Here, please you may call me Mother or Shri Mataji. Please ask: Mother am I the Spirit? Ask this question three times. Now if you are the spirit, you are your Master. So please bring your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and on the left-hand side and press it with your fingers. Here please ask me another question three times: Mother, am I my own Master? I have already told you that I respect your freedom. And I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now please take your right-hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Here you have to ask six times because this center has six petals. And please ask: Shri Mataji or Mother please give me pure knowledge. Alright. Six times, this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts moving. So now please raise your right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. We have to open our upper chakras with our self-confidence. So here with full confidence please say ten times: Mother, I am my own Master. I have already told you that you are not this mind, you are not this psyche, you are not this mind, not this body but you are pure Spirit. Alright so now please raise your right-hand on top of your heart and press it hard. Now here you have to say with full confidence twelve times: Mother I am the Spirit. Now this all-pervading power of love is the Ocean of knowledge. It is the Ocean of joy. But above all it is the Ocean of forgiveness. So whatever mistakes you might have committed can be completely dissolved by the power of Ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right-hand in the corner of your neck and shoulder and turn your head to your right. And turn your head to your right. Here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times: Mother, I am not guilty at all. I have already told you, whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. So now, please put your hand on your forehead so that you press both your temples of both the sides. And now bend your head. Here now you have to say with full confidence: Mother I forgive everyone. Say it from your heart, not how many times. Now carefully take back right-hand on the back side of your head. Push back your head as far as possible. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction without counting mistakes, without feeling guilty you have to say: O all-pervading power of love, please forgive me if I have done something knowingly unknowingly. Again, say it from your heart. Please say it from your heart not how many times. Now please stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanelle bone area which is the soft bone. Which is a center, which was a soft bone. And now push back your fingers, please push back your fingers. And bend your head as much as you can. Here now I again cannot take your freedom, so you have to ask for your self-realization. Now move your scalp, now please move your scalp seven times slowly clockwise every time saying: Mother, please give me my self-realization. Now please take down your hands. Put your right-hand towards me like this and bend your head. And see with your left-hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head, out of the fontanelle bone area. Don’t put your hand on the head but away from it. sometimes you get very far away. Now please put the left-hand towards me and put the right-hand bend your head. some people might get the hot/heat doesn’t matter. That means either you are feeling guilty, or you have not forgiven. Alright now again put right-hand towards me bend your head. And just again see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head or away from you. Now please rise both your hands and look upwards and ask a question three times: Mother, is this the cool breeze of all pervading power of pure love? Now take down your hands please. Put your hands towards me. Those who have felt the cool breeze out of your head or hot breeze or in your fingertips please raise both your hands. Both your hands please. Both the hands I can’t see. I want to see properly. May God bless you. I bow to all the saints of Prague. I hope tomorrow you will all come all of you should come whether you have got realization or not for the program of follow on. Otherwise, it would be like parabola of Christ that some seeds fell on the rock, and some fell on the very fertile land. You don’t have to pay anything, nothing whatsoever. Only you have to give sometime and respect to your self-realization. Next year again I will be back to you, and I would like you all to be like great trees of peace and joy. These people will be coming down to Prague again and again and will make masters out of you. Thank you very much.

1990-0720 Public Program Day 2, Prague I bow to all the seekers of the Truth. Yesterday I told you that Truth is what it is. And with human awareness you cannot know it. For that you have to become a subtler being. To know the Truth, you have to become a subtler being. For all these there is a mechanism within you which works it out. It is sahaj means is spontaneous. And also, every human being has a right to get the yoga means the union with this all-pervading power of God. Of course, you cannot pay for it. Like the Mother Earth has the built-in quality it her to sprout a seed which has built-in sprouting quality. In the same way this is the living process of our evolutionary end. Yesterday I told you how it works and what are the advantages of getting your self-realization. With that you get physically, mentally, emotionally balanced and you get cured of your problems. You become extremely dynamic and extremely compassionate. Now also as I told you that you become the Spirit. So today I want to tell you about the nature of the Spirit. Spirit connects you to this all-pervading power. But unclear() it is the source of all the knowledge. For example, when you get your self-realization, you feel a cool breeze coming into your hands and coming out of your head. This is you feel the all-pervading power, the subtle pervading power which you have not felt before. And also on these five fingers, six and seven you feel the subtle centers within yourself. On the left-hand side you see the problems of your emotional life. And the right side you feel the physical and mental side. Now we unclear() five six and seven centers in ourselves. What is wrong we ask and what is wrong it comes. And on these fingertips you can feel the heat or you can feel the burning sometimes little bit and sometimes you feel absolutely a numbness. Now when you feel anything like you can decode it. And then you should know how to get over the problems. Then you can cure yourself and you can cure others also. So, it becomes so very easy: to cure very serious unclear (diseases). So now the main object of our life is to become the Spirit. When you become the Spirit then the light of the Spirit spreads in your attention, so that on your central nevus system you can feel the Truth. So, you can have absolute knowledge as if you become a Divine computer. And everyone gets the same information. So, you become knowledgeable of actual Truth, there is no difference of opinion. As you can feel others you become really collectively conscious. You become collectively conscious means your awareness expands. And that awareness makes you feel that you are part and parcel of the whole. You get it collectively conscious that means who is the other? The second thing that happens to you: that you become thoughtlessly aware. That means a thought rises and falls and another thought rises and falls. And in between the thoughts there is a little space. While we are only jumping on the cusp of the thoughts that is coming from the future or the past. So, when the Kundalini rises then these thoughts become small and the space in between the thoughts increases - it is the present. Alright, now we look at anything we start reacting with thoughts. For example, a nice carpet is here, I look at it and I start thinking about it, all kinds of joyless thoughts. Like how much it has cost and whose it is and all kinds of nonsense. But if I look at it without thinking then the joy that is put in its artists whole joy becomes abstract and starts falling from my head soothing me down. Now this is what unclear() beautiful buildings. I would think of anything but the joy that has put into it by its creators, the artists started falling all over. I felt so refreshed and so relaxed and joyous. So, the attention becomes full of joy. When the Kundalini rises, She cleanses all your centers and nourishes them. Alright, we have got difficulties as we found this gentleman whose mother is unclear() and he is very poor. Translator: Bahot mushkil hai (very difficult) Shri Mataji: I know that. Translator: I think she can translate better. Shri Mataji: She can correct. Alright, tell him the words. Alright, alright she is also a little diffident about it. Because of the language. He is also he is saying that she can do better. Female Translator: Thank you. Shri Mataji: We need two persons. You will have to try. There are limitations of every language especially English. So, we know the Truth because of the which is the embodiment of the Truth. Now also our attention gets enlightened because Spirit is the source of light. So, sitting down here you can find out about anybody’s vibrations. Also, this Spirit is the source of joy. And this source of joy takes you away from the duality of happiness and unhappiness. So that you reside in the beautiful realm of peace. The feelings you have for each other is only of pure love. That is in your attention there is no lust and greed. Because you develop a witness state (Sakshi Swaroop). Now witness state is a state where you see everything as a drama. Supposing you are standing in the water then you are afraid of the waves. But somehow if you can get on to the boat then you can watch the waves. But If you know how to swim then you can jump in the water and save many people. Thus, you become the saviors of the people. The first power you get that you become thoughtlessly aware. Second you get become collectively consciousness. And the third power you get that you can raise the kundalini of others and give them self-realization. Thus, you can cure others and also you can give self-realization. And you become self-confident. Because gradually you feel that you are protected from this all-pervading power. And you get experiences of great miracles of help that you get from this all-pervading power. Moreover, I have seen many musicians, artists have suddenly become great artists, world famous artists after getting self-realization. You feel very young and the energy is all the time flowing in you. The attitude towards your self-changes and you understand your glory and your greatness. But you do not get into a ego state by which you dominate others. Neither you dominate nor you take domination. Anybody who tries to dominate you is looked after by the all-pervading power. And then you become a universal being. Now those people who have come to your country are from different western world. Now these people are singing Sanskrit songs and Hindi and Marathi songs which are very difficult to sing. We could not teach even one sentence to an English man in Hindi language properly. They lived in India for 300 years and did not learn any of our Music or our language nothing. But now I find with sahaja yoga they are singing just like an Indian. And next time you will find them singing in unclear (Jugoslavakian) songs. So, an absolute rapport is established. This is what we want today. Then you become your own master. You become very powerful. There are so many habits we have which we want to give up, but we cannot because we are not so powerful. But when you become a self-realized soul, all habits drop out automatically. You exactly know what is good and what is bad. And you will always do whatever is benevolent to you. Which is benevolent to your society, to your country to the whole world. You automatically become a very righteous person, a very moral person and a very loving person. You forgive people and enjoy the forgiveness. And then you love, after forgiving you love. There is such an cean of love that you become extremely patient peaceful, relaxed. This is the new age. This is the last judgement. As Mohammad sahab also has said in his Quran that your hands will speak and they will judge you at the time of resurrection. He calls this as resurrection time. So sahaja yoga relates to all the religions and gives the essence of all the religions and the Truth about the all the religions. Because of that there can not be any quarrel between the two religions. It relates to science completely. It explains science. It points out the unclear (origins, Hurajians) of science. And also, it explains all the problems of Ecology and Politics and Economies. Thus, we become very knowledgeable knowing all the principles of every ideology. For example, if I am very powerful, I am a capitalist. But I can not live with my capital I have to distribute so I am an absolute communist. What I distribute is the love that I have. We have never used the power of love so far. Never. We have never used the power of love. They have only used the power of hatred. So now you should know that you are the instrument of the power of love. And that is the most powerful weapon we have. These great times are already prophesized thousands of years back. And now the time has come to full fill all the promises. In the early days / ancient days there were very few flowers on the tree of life. Now it’s a blossom time. That there are so many seekers today of truth that is the blossom time. Also, luckily I have developed a method by which we can give a mass self-realization. So, I asked them to ask questions yesterday have they given the questions? Now wirttendown(write-down). Yogi: Yes, we got the questions before the evening began. The first question was already answered regarding the Quran. Shri Mataji: Ya. Yogini: How todays person can harmonize his life with his wish to get self-realization? Whether it’s a process psychological, mental or social. Shri Mataji: It is neither physical nor psychological nor mental. It is spiritual. It is beyond these three aspects. I have said that it is beyond all these three. As we say in Sanskrit - Gunateet. It is beyond these three things is a spiritual. Or you can say spiritual manifestation. All these three things you already have. What is there to think about them? This is beyond which we do not have it in us manifested. Yogi: The next question is – what is your opinion about the Vedas, they made a university in Prague by Americans. Vedic university and they have put one topic in their course – Transcendental Meditation. Shri Mataji: Oh my God, in the Vedas unclear() marketed. TM is a marketing company. Now please see that these horrible things are not here. They use black magic. In the Vedas it is written in the beginning only that after knowing the Vedas if you do not get your self-realization, it is useless. Now the word Veda comes from the word Vidh. Vidh means to know on your central nervus system. Now also in the Vedas it is written that after getting your self-realization you should know the Tantr, Yantr and Mantr. Now the Yantr means the mechanism. After realization not before. After realization you should know the mechanism. Then you should know the Trantra means the technique. And thirdly you should know the Mantra means what is to be said to open the centers. What chanting has to be said for opening the centers. And you see this chakra, Agnya chakra of Christ, you have to say Lord’s prayer. To open the center. You have to say Lords’ prayer and you have to forgive everyone. You must ask TM people first to give your realization. They are marketing everything. And they have ruined so many lives already. Too many questions. Those questions that came before are better. These are not. Too much. Because we have limited time and yesterday they asked us to go out after unclear(). So these are individual problems which we will solve you later on, we are of follow on tomorrow. What is the address for the follow on. Tomorrow they will be having follow on, and just now we’ll have our self-realization. That is much better. They will tell you the practical side of sahaja yoga. Address batado (tell the address) Dheere Dheere batado woh likh rahi (tell them slowly, they are noting it down), Time bhee batao (tell the time also). Now, let us now get to the point why we are here. I am sorry the acoustics are not alright. But will tell you slowly and try to understand. You must do everything very carefully. So, you should see how it is to be done. Yesterday you missed one point. When they said that put your hand on the back side of the head you put it on the back side of your neck. It should be here, that’s very important specially for Prague. I have seen this center catches very much here. On the back side of your head. Optic lobe is there. Alright, so now somebody will show you how to do. Alright If you can move a little bit, then they can also see I think. Tomorrow in follow on they will tell you. Its much simpler than this. But they will tell you tomorrow the simplest method in follow on. Alright. So first you please have to take out your shoes because this Mother Earth is going to help us. Please do it peacefully not to make noise. Peacefully. Please put both the feet away from each other because these are two powers working. See the acoustics are not good. Put little away. Now speak. Now, you have to put both the feet away from each other and sit comfortably not pushing too much forward or backward but comfortably straight. Now please know there are two conditions before we start. The first condition as I told you yesterday that you have to forget your past. You have to be in the present. That is you have to know that you are not guilty of anything. After all you are human beings so what mistakes can you commit? You are not Gods so why should you feel guilty? What ever the past is finished. You have to be in the present today. This is very important. Yesterday many people did not get realization because they are still feeling guilty. Alright now, you will have to know that whether you forgive someone or don’t forget someone you don’t do anything. But if you do not forgive then you suffer for nothing at all. At the hands of others who want to torture you. So why should you play into the hands of other people? You please forgive everyone in general don’t think about individual. It’s very important. Because this Agnya chakra of Christ wont open unless and until you forgive. It is closed like this. And then it opens like this when you forgive. Then the Kundalini can pass through it. It’s very important and that’s why I am requesting you. You can not miss your self-realization. Firstly, you suffer by not forgiving and then also you will miss your self-realization by not forgiving. So why not forgive everyone once for all and be light? Alright so now you have to put your left-hand towards me like this. Left-hand symbolizes your desire to get self-realization. And the right-hand is for the action. So now we put our right-hand on our heart first. Here resides the spirit. Then we put our right-hand on the upper portion of our abdomen. Which is the center of your mastery. Now you put your right-hand in the lower portion of your abdomen, we work only on left side. This is the center of pure knowledge. That manifests on your central nervus system. Now please take your hand again back to the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now you take your right-hand again on your heart. Now take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. This center catches when you feel guilty. And you develop diseases like spondylitis and angina. Now please take your right-hand on your forehead across and press both the temples. And put down your head. This is the center where you have to forgive everyone in general. Now please take this right-hand on the backside of your head and push back your head as far as possible. Without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes. For your own satisfaction you have to ask forgiveness from this all-pervading power of love. Now please stretch your palm, put down your head please. And put the center of your palm on the top of the fontanelle bone area which was soft bone. Now press it hard. Press it hard. Here you have to move your scalp with pressure. So please push back your fingers and put a nice pressure and move your scalp seven times clockwise. That’s all we will have to do. Now the mistake I think is that: they didn’t pushout their fingers. They were holding head like this. You have to push out. Pushout and put a pressure. Pushout pushout fingers. And now put down your head and then move it seven times. Put down your head as much as you can put down. Please do it seven times slowly. Now we can close your eyes, please take out your spectacles and don’t open your eyes till I tell you. Alright, now please put your left-hand towards me. And keep both the feet away from each other. Now please put right-hand on your heart. And now close your eyes. Please don’t open them till I tell you. Now here on the center of heart you have to ask me a question three times which is very fundamental. Here, please you may call me Mother or Shri Mataji. Please ask: Mother am I the Spirit? Ask this question three times. Now if you are the spirit, you are your Master. So please bring your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and on the left-hand side and press it with your fingers. Here please ask me another question three times: Mother, am I my own Master? I have already told you that I respect your freedom. And I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. Now please take your right-hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Here you have to ask six times because this center has six petals. And please ask: Shri Mataji or Mother please give me pure knowledge. Alright. Six times, this center has got six petals. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts moving. So now please raise your right-hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and press it hard. We have to open our upper chakras with our self-confidence. So here with full confidence please say ten times: Mother, I am my own Master. I have already told you that you are not this mind, you are not this psyche, you are not this mind, not this body but you are pure Spirit. Alright so now please raise your right-hand on top of your heart and press it hard. Now here you have to say with full confidence twelve times: Mother I am the Spirit. Now this all-pervading power of love is the Ocean of knowledge. It is the Ocean of joy. But above all it is the Ocean of forgiveness. So whatever mistakes you might have committed can be completely dissolved by the power of Ocean of forgiveness. So please raise your right-hand in the corner of your neck and shoulder and turn your head to your right. And turn your head to your right. Here you have to say with full confidence sixteen times: Mother, I am not guilty at all. I have already told you, whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive then you play into wrong hands. So now, please put your hand on your forehead so that you press both your temples of both the sides. And now bend your head. Here now you have to say with full confidence: Mother I forgive everyone. Say it from your heart, not how many times. Now carefully take back right-hand on the back side of your head. Push back your head as far as possible. Here you have to say for your own satisfaction without counting mistakes, without feeling guilty you have to say: O all-pervading power of love, please forgive me if I have done something knowingly unknowingly. Again, say it from your heart. Please say it from your heart not how many times. Now please stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanelle bone area which is the soft bone. Which is a center, which was a soft bone. And now push back your fingers, please push back your fingers. And bend your head as much as you can. Here now I again cannot take your freedom, so you have to ask for your self-realization. Now move your scalp, now please move your scalp seven times slowly clockwise every time saying: Mother, please give me my self-realization. Now please take down your hands. Put your right-hand towards me like this and bend your head. And see with your left-hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head, out of the fontanelle bone area. Don’t put your hand on the head but away from it. sometimes you get very far away. Now please put the left-hand towards me and put the right-hand bend your head. some people might get the hot/heat doesn’t matter. That means either you are feeling guilty, or you have not forgiven. Alright now again put right-hand towards me bend your head. And just again see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head or away from you. Now please rise both your hands and look upwards and ask a question three times: Mother, is this the cool breeze of all pervading power of pure love? Now take down your hands please. Put your hands towards me. Those who have felt the cool breeze out of your head or hot breeze or in your fingertips please raise both your hands. Both your hands please. Both the hands I can’t see. I want to see properly. May God bless you. I bow to all the saints of Prague. I hope tomorrow you will all come all of you should come whether you have got realization or not for the program of follow on. Otherwise, it would be like parabola of Christ that some seeds fell on the rock, and some fell on the very fertile land. You don’t have to pay anything, nothing whatsoever. Only you have to give sometime and respect to your self-realization. Next year again I will be back to you, and I would like you all to be like great trees of peace and joy. These people will be coming down to Prague again and again and will make masters out of you. Thank you very much.

7/20/1990

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1990-07-20 Press Conference, Prague Yogi: She is asking that yesterday was the first meeting, Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: and what is your reaction to it about your feeling to the atmosphere? Shri Mataji: Great. Yogi: She is asking how many hours it took? Shri Mataji: For realization takes only ten minutes. We had to explain about Sahaja Yoga little bit, and they were singing also some music. Yogi: Have you seen Prague? What was your impression of Prague? Shri Mataji: Oh, beautiful people. They are very creative. I think I told what Prague means. Pra is enlightened, gue(ha) is the right side, is the creativity. Yogi: The second question was: What was your opinion to the people here? Do you find any difference between the people here and the people in other countries? Shri Mataji: Varies. Varies. Great seekers and the people with whom I spoke with It’s a very subtle subject and they understood it well. A deep, Subtle, and they are very deep, otherwise how can they touch it? Yogi: Next question is: Will you come again this year? Shri Mataji: Next year I will come definitely, I said this here. I was programmed to go to South America. But when this happened in Russia, I just cancelled that program. Yogi: At the moment the number of people who give treatment, who heal: healers/scientific healers, do you also have any healing touch? Shri Mataji: Yes but it is all scientific. They are three doctors from Delhi University got their MD in Sahaja Yoga on various subjects like Cancer and blood cancer I think and Epilepsy and Asthma Hypertension. And there are seven doctors in London who are now doing on blood cancer, Aids, and all that. But, you see the people who are healing here must know how they are healing. They must know the basics behind it. It may be just mesmerism and that’s very dangerous. But if they do not know how they are healing, they cannot protect also themselves. But you are healing in Sahaja Yoga because of your own energy which is residing in your Sacrum bone: the Triangular bone. And it shows that the Greeks knew about it. Because they call it Sacrum means sacred, they knew. Sahaja Yoga relates to science to religions to all the mythologies and to everything. All the religions. Yogi: She is asking: Do you have any healings at the meetings or the congregations you hold that somebody say unclear() Shri Mataji: Yesterday we did two of them, one gentleman had terrible pain all the time on the left side and another one was having a Palpitation all the time. Yogi: She will not be able to come for today's meeting, but she would like to have the sequence of the meeting. Shri Mataji: The follow on is: I think they have to write when and where Another Yogi: Will give them the address and we will have the follow-on tomorrow night. We are going to give the address. Shri Mataji: when she can she be actually working? And once the people from here get their realization, they themselves can work it out. They are to be just established that’s all. Yogi: So next question is: Are you planning to go to in the next year or in the near future in to the neighboring countries of Eastern block unclear() Shri Mataji: Of course, I am going to Hungary now and to Bulgaria. I was there to Rumania, but there is problem they said. But these people have been to Rumania before, its wonderful they said. Positive questions. Beautiful questions you asked. Thank you very much. Yogi: The reporter is asking: Do the evening sessions have continuation or they are separate topics discussed? Shri Mataji: Now, yesterday I told them in a general way that today I am going to tell them 'what is the nature of the Spirit' Yogi: A person who has not come there yesterday does it matter that even if he comes today that he didn’t come unclear() Shri Mataji: I will just a little bit revision in a short way. Yogi: But I have thousands and thousands of lectures in different languages which they can get the tapes and listen to it. I mean this knowledge has no limitations. She didn’t come yesterday? Yogi: No Shri Mataji: Alright, don't be worried. Please come today. Alright. And also day after tomorrow. Tomorrow will be better. Because. Yogi: Tomorrow it will be unclear(some other work) Shri Mataji: Yes, I think so. Tomorrow where are we having the program? Who knows? Yogi: Can you translate, she has got one of those sheets in her bag and its unclear() Another yogi: Can we see your broacher? Thats what he said. Shri Mataji: I think today you better type it. Yogi: Or today in the evening she will come to the function. Shri Mataji: We will get. And also tell her we will inform her. Is she could give her phone number? They are all went to stay over. And they are going to work it out. Didn’t bring anybody from Bratislava? Another Yogi: Bratislava, this girl from Bratislava, where is she? She was here, She was here. Yogi: She is coming, she is coming. Shri Mataji: She is here. So she knows. Which is the press we are going to have on follow-on? Another Yogi: Tomorrow, tomorrow. Yogi: This lady is saying that she is living in Prague, and she would like to continue in July to attend the program in the evening. Another Yogi: Does she know the address about the tomorrow’s program? Yogi: Tomorrow and day after tomorrow. Shri Mataji: Did you find? Yogi: She didn’t find but She is coming for the program today. Shri Mataji: Woh log sab bahar gaye, who sab bahar gaye hai jo jante hai(Who ever knows, they are went out) See these are all from outside. Aap German jante hain (Do you know German?) He doesn’t know German; he knows English very well. Another Yogi: This place is we are all people coming from different countries and we were attracted also by this news that they got this freedom in their country and we., Yogi: I explained that the thing which joins all of you is the religion now is Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and you are very happy with the development which are unclear() Shri Mataji: These are collective all over the world. Unclear(Fortunato’s are called.) All the religions, all the religions Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, unclear(), Zen Yogi: The next question is: How many countries out of the forty belong to the previous East European Countries. Shri Mataji: Russia Another Yogi: All of them: Russia, Poland, East Germany. Now we have Rumania Shri Mataji: Now Yugoslavia Another Yogi: Bulgaria Yogi: So the reporter is saying: It is high time to begin in unclear(Yugoslavia) Another Yogi: Even Turkeys there. Shri Mataji: Of course, of course this is the very important time also you are just now got your freedom alright? And you must know that the political feeling is not the end of it/war. See you have to get the unclear(detartrate). Because you must know master yourself. You must know what you are. And you should know Absolute Truth and it is very important. Otherwise, everybody thinks they are alright which they are not. And they fight each other because they cannot have the same opinion. But Absolute Truth is the fact. It’s a fact. Reality. So, once you know the reality then you don’t feel any difference. And you can’t pay for it. Nothing. You are not purchase it. It’s a natural thing, it’s the same evolutionary process. Little breakthrough, the last breakthrough of the evolutionary process. It’s worked out with the living process. As the flowers becomes the fruit, you become that. Yogi: The reporter is saying this is not a teaching nor it’s a philosophy what unclear()? Shri Mataji: It’s an actualization. Yogi: and what was the impact on the Soviet people? Shri Mataji: Yesterday? Another Yogi: On the Russia Russia, Soviet people – Russia. Shri Mataji: Oh Russia Russia? Absolutely they agreed. They don’t want wars, they want laugh. Actually, their government was is the wrong, not the people. People even does not know what their government was doing all kinds of the things. That’s what unclear() lasts now. He needs everything should be transparent. We should know what we are doing. Even he is impressed by Sahaja Yoga very much. And they arranged eight politicians and two ministers to see me. And six hundred doctors to listen to my lectures and I have given realization. And two hundred scientists those who are made Sputnik and all that. They also. Yogi: She would like to have your opinion: What is the impression of the people in Western Europe and in Eastern Europe and what do the newspapers write about it? Shri Mataji: Depends on wherever I go you see. All kinds of things. But I would say that so called freedom has divided them abandoned and really crazy people some of them are really. Running after crazy things. Another Yogi: The west. Yogi: The next question is: Can you specifically say the difference between the atmosphere in the Eastern Europe and the Western Europe? Shri Mataji: Very much. You see the attention of whatever may be the horrible conditions in which they have lived, whatever it is, sufferings they have gone through, the attention that are by Eastern block people is much more concentrated than the attention of other people. Yogi: I explained that, as you said, that the people here are more concentrated. Shri Mataji: and their attention, because you see they suffered a lot and they had no time to do all nonsensical things that are the people have done are brought Yogi: Thank you. Yogi: Next question: Do you have any professional continuation in, who is going to continue in sahaja yoga. Shri Mataji: Ya, ya they will be all coming, they are all responsible. They are from Austria, from Germany. This Markus is the leader from Germany and unclear() both of them, they are responsible. And from Germany we have got Philip and they will be coming around. Yogi: No, she meant is there any main candidate as a successor in sahaja yoga? Shri Mataji: In India? We still have to locate. If you give their details make you unclear() Yogi: I said, its not the main thing, it can be anybody. Shri Mataji: It can be anybody, ya of course, of course. You see who ascents to that level. You have to ascent to a level. Awareness. Yesterday we met a big, nice man also, who spoke to me very well. But we have to see unclear() how his spiritual ascent, his vibrations. I am sure it will work out. Aap yahaa rahdiya to kaam hojay (If you stay here, the work can be done) Yogi: Hum to ghoom to rehtahai (I keep on roaming) Shri Mataji: Acha toda ajeeb unclear(), aapke maa aur baap dono ki atma shant ho jayegi. Yogi: Thank you. Yogi: This television gentleman asking: Did you meet anybody from the government or the President? Shri Mataji: Here? Not yet. Yogi: He is asking: Would you like to meet? Shri Mataji: Yes, next time when I come definitely. My husband has been in connection with all these people. And I met them in his office in past. People from the previous government. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you ko kya kehate (how do we say thank you) Yogi: uclear(Ekus) Shri Mataji: Kuch do ko? Yogi: Do ko: dwe Shri Mataji: Dwe dwe? Sankruti ho na? Yogi: They are saying thank you. If she has to come in the evening, she has to do her work. Shri Mataji: Aap ki wife chaleegai (Is your wife left for the day?) Yogi: This television gentleman he would like to have an autograph Shri Mataji: I don’t do autograph at all or to anyone. You see, it’s the work of ministers and people who are in the politics. Another Yogi: You can give a photograph. Give a different one. Shri Mataji: There is septime hai, America me gadhe ke bareme gadhe, inlogon ki kaam me, koi cheej ko inko seriousness he nahi. Iskadar bade, gandhe kaam karne me number ek. Bahot. Abhee me gayee thee Los Angeles, unclear() aur neeche chup gaye. Merekato kehane pichle hapte me gyarah aademee chupkar, vaisa kyon? Is ka jo malik hai wo bhee itna acha hai ghar ka. Wo aake bhaite hai hamare saat, gane gaaye sab kuch kiya aur bahoth khush ho, bahotee badhee aademee. Unclear() Shri Mataji: Will go now. Alright? And I hope you looked after your new brother. His name is Yuri and unclear() Yogi: Yuri was the first man on the moon. His name is Yuri Gagarin. Another yogi: I was born in the same year 61. Shri Mataji: That’s why. He was the first man who has come from actually Yuko Kavaguti also for us. Another Yogi: Who flies in the name of sahaja. Shri Mataji: Apnee tabiyat itne khush hogay hum log jara lost hogai. Kyon ki Bhasha naheena atee to lost hogaite kya kare. Abhee itne khush hogaye aap ko dekheke unclear() Yogi: Hamari translation itnee badiya nahe hai (My translation is not so good). Shri Mataji: Nahi nahi, bahot achee hai, bahot achee hai baba (Your translation is very very good). Aisa bhee jo hai, aisa bhee wo aadme to unclear() woh to baat galat hotee hai. Yogi: Ham bhe first time kar raha hai es type ke translation (This type of translation I am doing it for the first time) Shri Mataji: Nahi nahi bilkul, aap phikare nahee karna, kare to aap se unclear() In me se koi bhee pehale bhasha nahi de sakte hai. I am just telling him, he is saying that at all this as first time I am doing. I said they all were speachers but they started speaking. Ekdam aadmee dynamic hojata hai kyon ki atmaka aisa bol raha hai na, Prakash ek dam. Ab aap bahot how wisely he spoken how sensibly, how balanced Sab ki tabiyat khush ho rahi thee. Another Yogi: unclear() Shri Mataji: See kitab hai ab aur kya certificate chahiye aap ko (See, what more certificates you need for your translation?)

1990-07-20 Press Conference, Prague Yogi: She is asking that yesterday was the first meeting, Shri Mataji: Yes. Yogi: and what is your reaction to it about your feeling to the atmosphere? Shri Mataji: Great. Yogi: She is asking how many hours it took? Shri Mataji: For realization takes only ten minutes. We had to explain about Sahaja Yoga little bit, and they were singing also some music. Yogi: Have you seen Prague? What was your impression of Prague? Shri Mataji: Oh, beautiful people. They are very creative. I think I told what Prague means. Pra is enlightened, gue(ha) is the right side, is the creativity. Yogi: The second question was: What was your opinion to the people here? Do you find any difference between the people here and the people in other countries? Shri Mataji: Varies. Varies. Great seekers and the people with whom I spoke with It’s a very subtle subject and they understood it well. A deep, Subtle, and they are very deep, otherwise how can they touch it? Yogi: Next question is: Will you come again this year? Shri Mataji: Next year I will come definitely, I said this here. I was programmed to go to South America. But when this happened in Russia, I just cancelled that program. Yogi: At the moment the number of people who give treatment, who heal: healers/scientific healers, do you also have any healing touch? Shri Mataji: Yes but it is all scientific. They are three doctors from Delhi University got their MD in Sahaja Yoga on various subjects like Cancer and blood cancer I think and Epilepsy and Asthma Hypertension. And there are seven doctors in London who are now doing on blood cancer, Aids, and all that. But, you see the people who are healing here must know how they are healing. They must know the basics behind it. It may be just mesmerism and that’s very dangerous. But if they do not know how they are healing, they cannot protect also themselves. But you are healing in Sahaja Yoga because of your own energy which is residing in your Sacrum bone: the Triangular bone. And it shows that the Greeks knew about it. Because they call it Sacrum means sacred, they knew. Sahaja Yoga relates to science to religions to all the mythologies and to everything. All the religions. Yogi: She is asking: Do you have any healings at the meetings or the congregations you hold that somebody say unclear() Shri Mataji: Yesterday we did two of them, one gentleman had terrible pain all the time on the left side and another one was having a Palpitation all the time. Yogi: She will not be able to come for today's meeting, but she would like to have the sequence of the meeting. Shri Mataji: The follow on is: I think they have to write when and where Another Yogi: Will give them the address and we will have the follow-on tomorrow night. We are going to give the address. Shri Mataji: when she can she be actually working? And once the people from here get their realization, they themselves can work it out. They are to be just established that’s all. Yogi: So next question is: Are you planning to go to in the next year or in the near future in to the neighboring countries of Eastern block unclear() Shri Mataji: Of course, I am going to Hungary now and to Bulgaria. I was there to Rumania, but there is problem they said. But these people have been to Rumania before, its wonderful they said. Positive questions. Beautiful questions you asked. Thank you very much. Yogi: The reporter is asking: Do the evening sessions have continuation or they are separate topics discussed? Shri Mataji: Now, yesterday I told them in a general way that today I am going to tell them 'what is the nature of the Spirit' Yogi: A person who has not come there yesterday does it matter that even if he comes today that he didn’t come unclear() Shri Mataji: I will just a little bit revision in a short way. Yogi: But I have thousands and thousands of lectures in different languages which they can get the tapes and listen to it. I mean this knowledge has no limitations. She didn’t come yesterday? Yogi: No Shri Mataji: Alright, don't be worried. Please come today. Alright. And also day after tomorrow. Tomorrow will be better. Because. Yogi: Tomorrow it will be unclear(some other work) Shri Mataji: Yes, I think so. Tomorrow where are we having the program? Who knows? Yogi: Can you translate, she has got one of those sheets in her bag and its unclear() Another yogi: Can we see your broacher? Thats what he said. Shri Mataji: I think today you better type it. Yogi: Or today in the evening she will come to the function. Shri Mataji: We will get. And also tell her we will inform her. Is she could give her phone number? They are all went to stay over. And they are going to work it out. Didn’t bring anybody from Bratislava? Another Yogi: Bratislava, this girl from Bratislava, where is she? She was here, She was here. Yogi: She is coming, she is coming. Shri Mataji: She is here. So she knows. Which is the press we are going to have on follow-on? Another Yogi: Tomorrow, tomorrow. Yogi: This lady is saying that she is living in Prague, and she would like to continue in July to attend the program in the evening. Another Yogi: Does she know the address about the tomorrow’s program? Yogi: Tomorrow and day after tomorrow. Shri Mataji: Did you find? Yogi: She didn’t find but She is coming for the program today. Shri Mataji: Woh log sab bahar gaye, who sab bahar gaye hai jo jante hai(Who ever knows, they are went out) See these are all from outside. Aap German jante hain (Do you know German?) He doesn’t know German; he knows English very well. Another Yogi: This place is we are all people coming from different countries and we were attracted also by this news that they got this freedom in their country and we., Yogi: I explained that the thing which joins all of you is the religion now is Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and you are very happy with the development which are unclear() Shri Mataji: These are collective all over the world. Unclear(Fortunato’s are called.) All the religions, all the religions Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, unclear(), Zen Yogi: The next question is: How many countries out of the forty belong to the previous East European Countries. Shri Mataji: Russia Another Yogi: All of them: Russia, Poland, East Germany. Now we have Rumania Shri Mataji: Now Yugoslavia Another Yogi: Bulgaria Yogi: So the reporter is saying: It is high time to begin in unclear(Yugoslavia) Another Yogi: Even Turkeys there. Shri Mataji: Of course, of course this is the very important time also you are just now got your freedom alright? And you must know that the political feeling is not the end of it/war. See you have to get the unclear(detartrate). Because you must know master yourself. You must know what you are. And you should know Absolute Truth and it is very important. Otherwise, everybody thinks they are alright which they are not. And they fight each other because they cannot have the same opinion. But Absolute Truth is the fact. It’s a fact. Reality. So, once you know the reality then you don’t feel any difference. And you can’t pay for it. Nothing. You are not purchase it. It’s a natural thing, it’s the same evolutionary process. Little breakthrough, the last breakthrough of the evolutionary process. It’s worked out with the living process. As the flowers becomes the fruit, you become that. Yogi: The reporter is saying this is not a teaching nor it’s a philosophy what unclear()? Shri Mataji: It’s an actualization. Yogi: and what was the impact on the Soviet people? Shri Mataji: Yesterday? Another Yogi: On the Russia Russia, Soviet people – Russia. Shri Mataji: Oh Russia Russia? Absolutely they agreed. They don’t want wars, they want laugh. Actually, their government was is the wrong, not the people. People even does not know what their government was doing all kinds of the things. That’s what unclear() lasts now. He needs everything should be transparent. We should know what we are doing. Even he is impressed by Sahaja Yoga very much. And they arranged eight politicians and two ministers to see me. And six hundred doctors to listen to my lectures and I have given realization. And two hundred scientists those who are made Sputnik and all that. They also. Yogi: She would like to have your opinion: What is the impression of the people in Western Europe and in Eastern Europe and what do the newspapers write about it? Shri Mataji: Depends on wherever I go you see. All kinds of things. But I would say that so called freedom has divided them abandoned and really crazy people some of them are really. Running after crazy things. Another Yogi: The west. Yogi: The next question is: Can you specifically say the difference between the atmosphere in the Eastern Europe and the Western Europe? Shri Mataji: Very much. You see the attention of whatever may be the horrible conditions in which they have lived, whatever it is, sufferings they have gone through, the attention that are by Eastern block people is much more concentrated than the attention of other people. Yogi: I explained that, as you said, that the people here are more concentrated. Shri Mataji: and their attention, because you see they suffered a lot and they had no time to do all nonsensical things that are the people have done are brought Yogi: Thank you. Yogi: Next question: Do you have any professional continuation in, who is going to continue in sahaja yoga. Shri Mataji: Ya, ya they will be all coming, they are all responsible. They are from Austria, from Germany. This Markus is the leader from Germany and unclear() both of them, they are responsible. And from Germany we have got Philip and they will be coming around. Yogi: No, she meant is there any main candidate as a successor in sahaja yoga? Shri Mataji: In India? We still have to locate. If you give their details make you unclear() Yogi: I said, its not the main thing, it can be anybody. Shri Mataji: It can be anybody, ya of course, of course. You see who ascents to that level. You have to ascent to a level. Awareness. Yesterday we met a big, nice man also, who spoke to me very well. But we have to see unclear() how his spiritual ascent, his vibrations. I am sure it will work out. Aap yahaa rahdiya to kaam hojay (If you stay here, the work can be done) Yogi: Hum to ghoom to rehtahai (I keep on roaming) Shri Mataji: Acha toda ajeeb unclear(), aapke maa aur baap dono ki atma shant ho jayegi. Yogi: Thank you. Yogi: This television gentleman asking: Did you meet anybody from the government or the President? Shri Mataji: Here? Not yet. Yogi: He is asking: Would you like to meet? Shri Mataji: Yes, next time when I come definitely. My husband has been in connection with all these people. And I met them in his office in past. People from the previous government. Shri Mataji: Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you ko kya kehate (how do we say thank you) Yogi: uclear(Ekus) Shri Mataji: Kuch do ko? Yogi: Do ko: dwe Shri Mataji: Dwe dwe? Sankruti ho na? Yogi: They are saying thank you. If she has to come in the evening, she has to do her work. Shri Mataji: Aap ki wife chaleegai (Is your wife left for the day?) Yogi: This television gentleman he would like to have an autograph Shri Mataji: I don’t do autograph at all or to anyone. You see, it’s the work of ministers and people who are in the politics. Another Yogi: You can give a photograph. Give a different one. Shri Mataji: There is septime hai, America me gadhe ke bareme gadhe, inlogon ki kaam me, koi cheej ko inko seriousness he nahi. Iskadar bade, gandhe kaam karne me number ek. Bahot. Abhee me gayee thee Los Angeles, unclear() aur neeche chup gaye. Merekato kehane pichle hapte me gyarah aademee chupkar, vaisa kyon? Is ka jo malik hai wo bhee itna acha hai ghar ka. Wo aake bhaite hai hamare saat, gane gaaye sab kuch kiya aur bahoth khush ho, bahotee badhee aademee. Unclear() Shri Mataji: Will go now. Alright? And I hope you looked after your new brother. His name is Yuri and unclear() Yogi: Yuri was the first man on the moon. His name is Yuri Gagarin. Another yogi: I was born in the same year 61. Shri Mataji: That’s why. He was the first man who has come from actually Yuko Kavaguti also for us. Another Yogi: Who flies in the name of sahaja. Shri Mataji: Apnee tabiyat itne khush hogay hum log jara lost hogai. Kyon ki Bhasha naheena atee to lost hogaite kya kare. Abhee itne khush hogaye aap ko dekheke unclear() Yogi: Hamari translation itnee badiya nahe hai (My translation is not so good). Shri Mataji: Nahi nahi, bahot achee hai, bahot achee hai baba (Your translation is very very good). Aisa bhee jo hai, aisa bhee wo aadme to unclear() woh to baat galat hotee hai. Yogi: Ham bhe first time kar raha hai es type ke translation (This type of translation I am doing it for the first time) Shri Mataji: Nahi nahi bilkul, aap phikare nahee karna, kare to aap se unclear() In me se koi bhee pehale bhasha nahi de sakte hai. I am just telling him, he is saying that at all this as first time I am doing. I said they all were speachers but they started speaking. Ekdam aadmee dynamic hojata hai kyon ki atmaka aisa bol raha hai na, Prakash ek dam. Ab aap bahot how wisely he spoken how sensibly, how balanced Sab ki tabiyat khush ho rahi thee. Another Yogi: unclear() Shri Mataji: See kitab hai ab aur kya certificate chahiye aap ko (See, what more certificates you need for your translation?)

7/21/1990

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7/22/1990

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Public Program, 1990-07-22 I bow to all the seekers of truth.I think they didn’t hear.At the very outset, we have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot change it, we cannot organize it and we cannot describe it. Also, we cannot know it at human level, with human awareness. All the civilization and all the growth is like the growth of a tree. But we have to know about our roots. And these roots are placed within ourselves. Unless and until we don’t know our roots this tree can be completely destroyed. But to know the roots we have to be a subtler being.Now whatever we are telling you here is to be listened to like a scientist, with a scientific mind. With an open mind, like a hypothesis and if it is proved, then as honest people we have to accept it. Because it is for our benevolence. As we see around what we find that people who are at the helm of affairs are all quite confused. These so-called countries which have been free for all these years are getting destroyed from within. They have diseases, they have habits. They do not know how to get rid of them. They have problems, ecological problems, other so many social problems. And things are going from bad to worse.Now as Hungary has taken to freedom you must first of all witness the pros and cons and should know the absolute truth. The truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these conditionings, you are not this ego. But you are pure spirit. The another truth is that there is a very subtle all-pervading power of truth which is pure love, which does all the living work. We see all these beautiful flowers and we take them for granted we don’t think how they have become flowers from a little seed. How every kind of a flower has a different fragrance, a different shape, a different colour. In the same way, we have become human beings from amoeba stage. What did we do to become that? Spontaneously by this living force of love, we have become human beings. So now you have to feel this force which is surrounding us.And the time has come for all of us to feel it. You feel it on your central nervous system, on your fingertips. And thus you become a person who has absolute freedom and who knows absolute truth. Such a person becomes extremely dynamic and extremely compassionate. So tomorrow I’m going to tell you about the nature of the spirit. This power which is residing in your sacrum bone is called as Kundalini. This connects you to this all-pervading power through the Spirit. This power is your mother, individual mother. It’s residing in the bone sacrum that means the Greeks knew that it's a sacred bone. This individual mother knows everything about you. And she is the one who is going to judge you. So you do not have to judge yourself. Moreover, this mother when she is awakened she doesn’t give any problems. As when you were born your mother took up all the labour pains upon herself. She does not give you any problems.Now Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations and the beauty of Sahaja Yoga is that you get a new dimension of awareness. You become, it’s not just a certificate, but you really become collectively conscious. That means you can feel on your fingertips the center of others and your own centers. By that, you know that we are part and parcel of the whole. Like the microcosm becomes the macrocosm. It’s a becoming again, it is not just a kind of a false or a pretentious idea.So in these forty nations, people of different races, different religion, and different countries, nationalities are residing, but they have absolute friendship and love for each other. Because there is no second opinion. Because they know the absolute truth so there cannot be second truth. The first state that you reach is what we call as thoughtless awareness.Like when we are on a human level the thoughts arise and fall again, they arise and fall. These thoughts come to us from the future and the past. The future doesn’t exist and past is finished. What is reality is the present. But when the Kundalini rises these thoughts become linear and we become thoughtlessly aware.Like we are standing in the water, we are afraid of the waves. So we are afraid of our problems. But supposing you get onto the boat then you see all these waves and enjoy them. And if you know how to swim you can jump inside. Inside those troubled waters and you can save people. So the problems that look so big, problems that look so difficult, you solve them because you develop a witness state. This witness state comes to us from the source we have within ourselves that is the peace. So you become a very peaceful personality. Absolutely relaxed and in that relaxed state you find that this all-pervading power is the one that is doing everything for you.I asked people to write about their miracles and they have written piles and piles like these and I don’t know now how to compile them. This may sound very fantastic, but supposing you take a television in a very remote corner of a very remote country and tell them that you can see the pictures from all over the world, it may sound very fantastic to them. But once you put them to the mains they know what it is. In the same way, when we are put to the mains we know our glory, we know the meaning of our life and we realize the purpose of our existence. Not only that but we realise that we are now in the space of complete peace and joy.Today being the first day I think I would allow you to ask me some questions.I have come here to give you what you have. Not to take anything from you. So I have to make a very humble request that whatever questions you ask should be relevant with the subject. Afterwards we’ll have the session of self-realisation. Which will take ten minutes only.I am told that you have been already told the advantages of self-realisation, that you get the well being of your physical, mental and emotional self. Of course, Sahaja Yoga has cured many diseases. In Delhi University we have three doctors who got their MD with Sahaja Yoga curing process. So this automatically happens when your Kundalini rises and pierces through the fontanel bone area.And once you are established in Sahaja Yoga, you yourself, you are empowered that you can give realisation. You can give realization to others, you can cure others. And a very righteous and innocent personality evolves. So can I have some questions from you, please?translator: Was there anybody on earth from you have learned this? Have you had any masters? Why do you want to ask such a question? You see you better ask questions relevant to the subject. I don’t want to talk about me at all I must tell you. Because Christ when he said “I am the son of God!” that was a fact, the truth, people crucified him. And I don’t want to get crucified. So please ask questions about the subject, but not about me I won’t say anything about me. When you will get your realization then you will know about me better.translator: Is these two occasion sufficient to learn Sahaja Yoga? Of course, with one occasion you can get. Yes, it can be awakened, Kundalini can be awakened and you can get your self-realization. But sometimes, we find people who just at the first shot become great Sahaja Yogis, but not all. They have to use their fingers and their vibrations to understand it fully. So if you also understand that there are problems in your chakras, though the Kundalini pierces through and you get a light in which you can see the problems clearly. But still, you have to grow. Hardly takes any time though.But today's Sahaja Yoga is a collective happening. So we are having a follow on program after tomorrow and also there will be a center here. So that you become masters.It's like if you are driving a car you have got an accelerator and a brake which both you have to try to balance it. And then once you know that you become a driver and you work it out automatically. But then the master of the car is sitting behind. Then you have to become the master. So you control the driver, and the accelerator, and the brake. Everybody can become a master and should become.translator: The instrumental music can be obtained from somewhere? Yes, you can have the tapes.translator: Is Sahaja Yoga similar to other, or in what respect does it differ from? Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of all the yogas.Now the first is the hatha yoga was written by Pantagali thousands of years back. He talked of ha-tha means left and right, both the sides. And in that, the exercise is out of the eight aspects. It's just the wee bit. So for cleansing one had to take lives after lives. Later on, there were other yogas came up which also aimed at cleansing the chakras. But in modern times, the yoga that is mostly taught is very money oriented. For example, we too sometimes tell people to take to particular exercise, if there is any problem in any center. But today's so-called physical yoga is like taking all exercises like the medicine, of all the medicines from the medical store. It is very indiscriminate, unscientific. And makes a person extremely dry and aggressive.Then another yoga is so called is raja yoga. Actual raja yoga is a spontaneous happening within ourselves. The Kundalini rises and stops so the chakras have to go into a meditation have to go into constriction. Because the Kundalini should not fall down. That's called as Bandhan. And when it reaches this point the constriction takes place and little bit the tongue is pulled inside. This is called as kechari. But this is automatic. When the Kundalini rises, like the ignition of the car, the machinery starts working automatically, it automatically happens. And you don't even feel it. But the way these days this raja yoga is that in California I found some doctors that the thread of their tongue was cut, to put the tongue back for kechari. And artificially if you move the wheels of a car will it move? In the same way mantra yoga, they give mantras. Without the connection with the divine, what's the use of saying mantras?I must say these people who are going there are so many who are waiting outside, and if they didn't want to stay they should not have come in next time please don't come in. I'm sorry so many are waiting outside. At least go and tell them that these people are going out so. They [UNCLEAR] they are asking me. This is the thing. Those who are half-hearted should not come. Because there are so many who are so anxiously waiting outside. And while so many, like this is the first time I see such a thing somewhere happen.translator: These people are not because they are not interested, but because they live in the countryside and the last train leaves therefore they had to leave. That's the only reason. But they should allow others who can attend. You see there are so many who want to come in at least send them in I mean. I’m really very sorry. It will take about ten minutes for realization.translator: In the western societies being, myself ego is the greatest thing what the western human people think about. Does this yoga encourage the same feeling or is controversial to it? Can it be [UNCLEAR] treated? It is true. I know, it’s a fact that in the west there is too much of ego I agree. But Sahaja Yoga completely neutralizes your ego and your conditioning. We have found out the solution for that.translator: Does Sahaja Yoga have got some restrictions like only people who are vegetarians can? No there is no such restriction. First of all, you have to be enlightened you have to get your light. Then in that light, you see everything. You understand everything you are not to be told anything. You just do whatever is good for you. For some people proteins are more suitable, for some people carbohydrates are suitable. It is like this; supposing you are holding on to a snake and there is darkness and if I tell you "Leave the snake!" You may say that it’s a rope I will not leave. But if there is little light you see it and you just throw it away yourself. It is for our benevolence. It is for the benevolence of your country, of the whole world. Is the emancipation of the whole humanity.translator:Maharishi transcendentation and Sahaja Yoga? The lesser the better. You see you cannot pay for all these things, please remember. All these people are marketing something all the time. It has nothing to do with marketing or taking money. It is a living process. I don’t know even if they had given-taken money, it’s all right. But they spoil your Kundalini, spoil your central path. I am myself an Indian and I’m sorry for that. But you should understand that it’s a living process. How much money did you give to Christ? So wherever they ask for money know that it is falsehood. Like if you want to sow a seed in the Mother earth it sprouts by itself. You don’t pay to the mother earth. She has a built-in quality to sprout and the seed has a built-in quality to sprout. So why should you pay for these things? All these things in the name of God also, in the name of religion. They are either power oriented or they are money oriented. None of them are spirit oriented. First, you must see the disciples and see what they have got it. And then judge it.translator: Where is going to be a Hungarian center in this country? They are saying these people from Austria are going to come down after two weeks again, advertise it and then they will establish a center here. Because we have to get some Hungarians you see, to work it out. It worked in every country this way it’s not difficult at all.So let us have now our self-realization. But those who want to go can go now it will take about ten minutes, but should not disturb people. Moreover, I respect your freedom and it cannot be forced on you.First of all, there are two conditions. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. Forget the past! That means you have to know that you are not guilty at all. After all, you are human beings, you are not gods. And if you have done any mistakes it’s alright don’t judge yourself. So please do not feel guilty. As the gentleman has rightly said that in the west there is too much of ego and also the guilt. They also feel the guilt it’s a sort of a fashion. So please do not feel guilty at all. If you feel guilty then the center, this center on the left-hand side catches very badly. And one can get diseases like spondylitis and angina with it. And also Kundalini cannot rise.And the second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. You are not to think about every person whom you have to forgive. After all, whether we forgive or we don’t forgive we don’t do anything. It’s a myth. But when we do not forgive others then we play into wrong hands and torure ourselves. So you have to forgive everyone, in general. This center on the optic chiasm is like this, it crosses. And if you forgive it opens out like this. So just to say that I forgive everyone, you'll feel much lighter. These are the two conditions.In short, you have to be pleasantly placed towards yourself, not to be angry with yourself. You will soon discover how glorious you are. So there is no need to be in tension. I’m sure you all will get your self-realization.Now you have to put both your feet away from each other because these are two powers: left, the power of desire, the right, the power of action.You have to sit comfortably, neither bending, nor stretching, but comfortably. Now somebody will show you first, we'll show you first and then we'll have to close our eyes. Now please put the left hand towards me like this, on your lap. On your lap, the left like this. And the right hand on your heart. Now in the heart resides the spirit. But the seat of the spirit is actually here. On the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now then we are working only on the left-hand side. Now take your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now, this is the center of your mastery. The great masters, the sat-gurus have made this center here. I mean the real ones. Now you have to take down your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. This is the center of pure knowledge, which manifests on your central nervous system. And that is how you feel this all-pervading power as cool breeze. Then you take back your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. Now again you have to take the hand on your heart. Now you have to take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder, on the left-hand side. And turn your head to your right. This is the center you catch when you feel guilty. Now take your hand on top of your forehead across, on both the sides. Now, this is the center you catch, I would say when you do not forgive. Now you have to take your hand on the backside of your head. And push back your head on it. Now here without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes just for your satisfaction, you have to ask forgiveness from this all-pervading power. Now you have to stretch your hand and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area, now please put down your head. Now stretch back your fingers, this is very important. So there is a good pressure, a very good pressure on your head. Now move your scalp slowly, seven times, clockwise. Push back your fingers. They are not pushing back. Now, this is all we have to do, but we have to now close our eyes. See now many people did not push back the fingers. So we have to do the same thing with closed eyes. Now first, you'll have to remove your shoes.And now please close your eyes. You may take out your spectacles because till I tell you don't have to open your eyes. Now please put your left hand towards me on your lap. I must say all of you are feeling still guilty because this center is catching. Please do not feel guilty at all. Now please put your right hand on your heart. And now here you have to say, ask a question to me, you may call me Mother or Shri Mataji. Please ask the question three times: Mother am I the spirit?If you are the spirit you are also the master. So now please put your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, on the left-hand side. And ask another question, three times. Ask the question: Mother am I my own master?Now please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Here I have to say that I cannot cross over your freedom because I respect it. I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So you have to say six times yourself: Mother please, give me pure knowledge. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. You have to ask six times: Mother please, give me pure knowledge. As the Kundalini is rising we have to open the upper centers with self-confidence.So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard. Here with full confidence say ten times: Mother, I am my own master! I have already told you that the truth is you are the pure Spirit.So please raise your right hand on your heart. And say here twelve times, with full confidence: Mother I am the pure Spirit. The all-pervading power of love is the ocean of knowledge, it is the ocean of joy, but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. And you cannot commit any mistakes, which cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of love.So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Now here with full confidence, say sixteen times: Mother I am not guilty at all. Again I have told you whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you do not forgive, then you play into wrong hands and you torture yourself.So now take your hand to your forehead and put it in such a way that you press both the temples and now bend your head. Here with full confidence, you have to say: Mother I forgive everyone. Say it from your heart not how many times. If you don't say, you'll get hot breeze.Now take your right hand to the back side of your head and push back your head. Here you have to say without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your own satisfaction: Oh all-pervading power of love please forgive me if I have done something knowingly or unknowingly.Now the last center which is very important. Please stretch your hand and put the palm of your hand, the center of the palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head. Stretch back your fingers and put a pressure. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom I cannot force self-realization on you. So here please move your scalp seven times, slowly, clockwise, saying: Mother, please give me self-realization, seven times.Now please take down your hand and put both the hands towards me like this and open your eyes. Now watch me without thinking. Now put the right hand towards me like this and bend your head. And see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Now do not keep it on your head, a little away from it. Some people feel it much more far away and some people feel hot and some people feel cool. Now please put the left hand towards me like this and bend your head. And now with the right hand please see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Bend your head! Now with the right hand towards me, please bend your head. And see with the left hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head.Now please put both your hands towards the sky, high like this and push back your head. Look upward and ask a question three times: Mother is this the cool breeze of the all-pervading power of love? This is called as Parama Chaitanya in Sanskrit language.Now take down your hands. All those who have felt cool breeze or hot breeze on their hands or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise both your hands, both hands! Most of you have felt.Tomorrow again you all should come whether you have felt it or not. And I will definitely explain to you about the spirit. Thank you very much. Please bring your friends tomorrow. Thank you very much, I have never met one like you I must say thank you.

Public Program, 1990-07-22 I bow to all the seekers of truth.I think they didn’t hear.At the very outset, we have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot change it, we cannot organize it and we cannot describe it. Also, we cannot know it at human level, with human awareness. All the civilization and all the growth is like the growth of a tree. But we have to know about our roots. And these roots are placed within ourselves. Unless and until we don’t know our roots this tree can be completely destroyed. But to know the roots we have to be a subtler being.Now whatever we are telling you here is to be listened to like a scientist, with a scientific mind. With an open mind, like a hypothesis and if it is proved, then as honest people we have to accept it. Because it is for our benevolence. As we see around what we find that people who are at the helm of affairs are all quite confused. These so-called countries which have been free for all these years are getting destroyed from within. They have diseases, they have habits. They do not know how to get rid of them. They have problems, ecological problems, other so many social problems. And things are going from bad to worse.Now as Hungary has taken to freedom you must first of all witness the pros and cons and should know the absolute truth. The truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not these conditionings, you are not this ego. But you are pure spirit. The another truth is that there is a very subtle all-pervading power of truth which is pure love, which does all the living work. We see all these beautiful flowers and we take them for granted we don’t think how they have become flowers from a little seed. How every kind of a flower has a different fragrance, a different shape, a different colour. In the same way, we have become human beings from amoeba stage. What did we do to become that? Spontaneously by this living force of love, we have become human beings. So now you have to feel this force which is surrounding us.And the time has come for all of us to feel it. You feel it on your central nervous system, on your fingertips. And thus you become a person who has absolute freedom and who knows absolute truth. Such a person becomes extremely dynamic and extremely compassionate. So tomorrow I’m going to tell you about the nature of the spirit. This power which is residing in your sacrum bone is called as Kundalini. This connects you to this all-pervading power through the Spirit. This power is your mother, individual mother. It’s residing in the bone sacrum that means the Greeks knew that it's a sacred bone. This individual mother knows everything about you. And she is the one who is going to judge you. So you do not have to judge yourself. Moreover, this mother when she is awakened she doesn’t give any problems. As when you were born your mother took up all the labour pains upon herself. She does not give you any problems.Now Sahaja Yoga is working in forty nations and the beauty of Sahaja Yoga is that you get a new dimension of awareness. You become, it’s not just a certificate, but you really become collectively conscious. That means you can feel on your fingertips the center of others and your own centers. By that, you know that we are part and parcel of the whole. Like the microcosm becomes the macrocosm. It’s a becoming again, it is not just a kind of a false or a pretentious idea.So in these forty nations, people of different races, different religion, and different countries, nationalities are residing, but they have absolute friendship and love for each other. Because there is no second opinion. Because they know the absolute truth so there cannot be second truth. The first state that you reach is what we call as thoughtless awareness.Like when we are on a human level the thoughts arise and fall again, they arise and fall. These thoughts come to us from the future and the past. The future doesn’t exist and past is finished. What is reality is the present. But when the Kundalini rises these thoughts become linear and we become thoughtlessly aware.Like we are standing in the water, we are afraid of the waves. So we are afraid of our problems. But supposing you get onto the boat then you see all these waves and enjoy them. And if you know how to swim you can jump inside. Inside those troubled waters and you can save people. So the problems that look so big, problems that look so difficult, you solve them because you develop a witness state. This witness state comes to us from the source we have within ourselves that is the peace. So you become a very peaceful personality. Absolutely relaxed and in that relaxed state you find that this all-pervading power is the one that is doing everything for you.I asked people to write about their miracles and they have written piles and piles like these and I don’t know now how to compile them. This may sound very fantastic, but supposing you take a television in a very remote corner of a very remote country and tell them that you can see the pictures from all over the world, it may sound very fantastic to them. But once you put them to the mains they know what it is. In the same way, when we are put to the mains we know our glory, we know the meaning of our life and we realize the purpose of our existence. Not only that but we realise that we are now in the space of complete peace and joy.Today being the first day I think I would allow you to ask me some questions.I have come here to give you what you have. Not to take anything from you. So I have to make a very humble request that whatever questions you ask should be relevant with the subject. Afterwards we’ll have the session of self-realisation. Which will take ten minutes only.I am told that you have been already told the advantages of self-realisation, that you get the well being of your physical, mental and emotional self. Of course, Sahaja Yoga has cured many diseases. In Delhi University we have three doctors who got their MD with Sahaja Yoga curing process. So this automatically happens when your Kundalini rises and pierces through the fontanel bone area.And once you are established in Sahaja Yoga, you yourself, you are empowered that you can give realisation. You can give realization to others, you can cure others. And a very righteous and innocent personality evolves. So can I have some questions from you, please?translator: Was there anybody on earth from you have learned this? Have you had any masters? Why do you want to ask such a question? You see you better ask questions relevant to the subject. I don’t want to talk about me at all I must tell you. Because Christ when he said “I am the son of God!” that was a fact, the truth, people crucified him. And I don’t want to get crucified. So please ask questions about the subject, but not about me I won’t say anything about me. When you will get your realization then you will know about me better.translator: Is these two occasion sufficient to learn Sahaja Yoga? Of course, with one occasion you can get. Yes, it can be awakened, Kundalini can be awakened and you can get your self-realization. But sometimes, we find people who just at the first shot become great Sahaja Yogis, but not all. They have to use their fingers and their vibrations to understand it fully. So if you also understand that there are problems in your chakras, though the Kundalini pierces through and you get a light in which you can see the problems clearly. But still, you have to grow. Hardly takes any time though.But today's Sahaja Yoga is a collective happening. So we are having a follow on program after tomorrow and also there will be a center here. So that you become masters.It's like if you are driving a car you have got an accelerator and a brake which both you have to try to balance it. And then once you know that you become a driver and you work it out automatically. But then the master of the car is sitting behind. Then you have to become the master. So you control the driver, and the accelerator, and the brake. Everybody can become a master and should become.translator: The instrumental music can be obtained from somewhere? Yes, you can have the tapes.translator: Is Sahaja Yoga similar to other, or in what respect does it differ from? Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of all the yogas.Now the first is the hatha yoga was written by Pantagali thousands of years back. He talked of ha-tha means left and right, both the sides. And in that, the exercise is out of the eight aspects. It's just the wee bit. So for cleansing one had to take lives after lives. Later on, there were other yogas came up which also aimed at cleansing the chakras. But in modern times, the yoga that is mostly taught is very money oriented. For example, we too sometimes tell people to take to particular exercise, if there is any problem in any center. But today's so-called physical yoga is like taking all exercises like the medicine, of all the medicines from the medical store. It is very indiscriminate, unscientific. And makes a person extremely dry and aggressive.Then another yoga is so called is raja yoga. Actual raja yoga is a spontaneous happening within ourselves. The Kundalini rises and stops so the chakras have to go into a meditation have to go into constriction. Because the Kundalini should not fall down. That's called as Bandhan. And when it reaches this point the constriction takes place and little bit the tongue is pulled inside. This is called as kechari. But this is automatic. When the Kundalini rises, like the ignition of the car, the machinery starts working automatically, it automatically happens. And you don't even feel it. But the way these days this raja yoga is that in California I found some doctors that the thread of their tongue was cut, to put the tongue back for kechari. And artificially if you move the wheels of a car will it move? In the same way mantra yoga, they give mantras. Without the connection with the divine, what's the use of saying mantras?I must say these people who are going there are so many who are waiting outside, and if they didn't want to stay they should not have come in next time please don't come in. I'm sorry so many are waiting outside. At least go and tell them that these people are going out so. They [UNCLEAR] they are asking me. This is the thing. Those who are half-hearted should not come. Because there are so many who are so anxiously waiting outside. And while so many, like this is the first time I see such a thing somewhere happen.translator: These people are not because they are not interested, but because they live in the countryside and the last train leaves therefore they had to leave. That's the only reason. But they should allow others who can attend. You see there are so many who want to come in at least send them in I mean. I’m really very sorry. It will take about ten minutes for realization.translator: In the western societies being, myself ego is the greatest thing what the western human people think about. Does this yoga encourage the same feeling or is controversial to it? Can it be [UNCLEAR] treated? It is true. I know, it’s a fact that in the west there is too much of ego I agree. But Sahaja Yoga completely neutralizes your ego and your conditioning. We have found out the solution for that.translator: Does Sahaja Yoga have got some restrictions like only people who are vegetarians can? No there is no such restriction. First of all, you have to be enlightened you have to get your light. Then in that light, you see everything. You understand everything you are not to be told anything. You just do whatever is good for you. For some people proteins are more suitable, for some people carbohydrates are suitable. It is like this; supposing you are holding on to a snake and there is darkness and if I tell you "Leave the snake!" You may say that it’s a rope I will not leave. But if there is little light you see it and you just throw it away yourself. It is for our benevolence. It is for the benevolence of your country, of the whole world. Is the emancipation of the whole humanity.translator:Maharishi transcendentation and Sahaja Yoga? The lesser the better. You see you cannot pay for all these things, please remember. All these people are marketing something all the time. It has nothing to do with marketing or taking money. It is a living process. I don’t know even if they had given-taken money, it’s all right. But they spoil your Kundalini, spoil your central path. I am myself an Indian and I’m sorry for that. But you should understand that it’s a living process. How much money did you give to Christ? So wherever they ask for money know that it is falsehood. Like if you want to sow a seed in the Mother earth it sprouts by itself. You don’t pay to the mother earth. She has a built-in quality to sprout and the seed has a built-in quality to sprout. So why should you pay for these things? All these things in the name of God also, in the name of religion. They are either power oriented or they are money oriented. None of them are spirit oriented. First, you must see the disciples and see what they have got it. And then judge it.translator: Where is going to be a Hungarian center in this country? They are saying these people from Austria are going to come down after two weeks again, advertise it and then they will establish a center here. Because we have to get some Hungarians you see, to work it out. It worked in every country this way it’s not difficult at all.So let us have now our self-realization. But those who want to go can go now it will take about ten minutes, but should not disturb people. Moreover, I respect your freedom and it cannot be forced on you.First of all, there are two conditions. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. Forget the past! That means you have to know that you are not guilty at all. After all, you are human beings, you are not gods. And if you have done any mistakes it’s alright don’t judge yourself. So please do not feel guilty. As the gentleman has rightly said that in the west there is too much of ego and also the guilt. They also feel the guilt it’s a sort of a fashion. So please do not feel guilty at all. If you feel guilty then the center, this center on the left-hand side catches very badly. And one can get diseases like spondylitis and angina with it. And also Kundalini cannot rise.And the second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general. You are not to think about every person whom you have to forgive. After all, whether we forgive or we don’t forgive we don’t do anything. It’s a myth. But when we do not forgive others then we play into wrong hands and torure ourselves. So you have to forgive everyone, in general. This center on the optic chiasm is like this, it crosses. And if you forgive it opens out like this. So just to say that I forgive everyone, you'll feel much lighter. These are the two conditions.In short, you have to be pleasantly placed towards yourself, not to be angry with yourself. You will soon discover how glorious you are. So there is no need to be in tension. I’m sure you all will get your self-realization.Now you have to put both your feet away from each other because these are two powers: left, the power of desire, the right, the power of action.You have to sit comfortably, neither bending, nor stretching, but comfortably. Now somebody will show you first, we'll show you first and then we'll have to close our eyes. Now please put the left hand towards me like this, on your lap. On your lap, the left like this. And the right hand on your heart. Now in the heart resides the spirit. But the seat of the spirit is actually here. On the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now then we are working only on the left-hand side. Now take your right hand on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. Now, this is the center of your mastery. The great masters, the sat-gurus have made this center here. I mean the real ones. Now you have to take down your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side. This is the center of pure knowledge, which manifests on your central nervous system. And that is how you feel this all-pervading power as cool breeze. Then you take back your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen. Now again you have to take the hand on your heart. Now you have to take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder, on the left-hand side. And turn your head to your right. This is the center you catch when you feel guilty. Now take your hand on top of your forehead across, on both the sides. Now, this is the center you catch, I would say when you do not forgive. Now you have to take your hand on the backside of your head. And push back your head on it. Now here without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes just for your satisfaction, you have to ask forgiveness from this all-pervading power. Now you have to stretch your hand and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area, now please put down your head. Now stretch back your fingers, this is very important. So there is a good pressure, a very good pressure on your head. Now move your scalp slowly, seven times, clockwise. Push back your fingers. They are not pushing back. Now, this is all we have to do, but we have to now close our eyes. See now many people did not push back the fingers. So we have to do the same thing with closed eyes. Now first, you'll have to remove your shoes.And now please close your eyes. You may take out your spectacles because till I tell you don't have to open your eyes. Now please put your left hand towards me on your lap. I must say all of you are feeling still guilty because this center is catching. Please do not feel guilty at all. Now please put your right hand on your heart. And now here you have to say, ask a question to me, you may call me Mother or Shri Mataji. Please ask the question three times: Mother am I the spirit?If you are the spirit you are also the master. So now please put your hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, on the left-hand side. And ask another question, three times. Ask the question: Mother am I my own master?Now please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. Here I have to say that I cannot cross over your freedom because I respect it. I cannot force pure knowledge on you. So you have to say six times yourself: Mother please, give me pure knowledge. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. You have to ask six times: Mother please, give me pure knowledge. As the Kundalini is rising we have to open the upper centers with self-confidence.So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left-hand side and press it hard. Here with full confidence say ten times: Mother, I am my own master! I have already told you that the truth is you are the pure Spirit.So please raise your right hand on your heart. And say here twelve times, with full confidence: Mother I am the pure Spirit. The all-pervading power of love is the ocean of knowledge, it is the ocean of joy, but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness. And you cannot commit any mistakes, which cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of love.So now raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head to your right. Now here with full confidence, say sixteen times: Mother I am not guilty at all. Again I have told you whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you do not forgive, then you play into wrong hands and you torture yourself.So now take your hand to your forehead and put it in such a way that you press both the temples and now bend your head. Here with full confidence, you have to say: Mother I forgive everyone. Say it from your heart not how many times. If you don't say, you'll get hot breeze.Now take your right hand to the back side of your head and push back your head. Here you have to say without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your own satisfaction: Oh all-pervading power of love please forgive me if I have done something knowingly or unknowingly.Now the last center which is very important. Please stretch your hand and put the palm of your hand, the center of the palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was a soft bone in your childhood. Now please put down your head. Stretch back your fingers and put a pressure. Here again, I cannot cross over your freedom I cannot force self-realization on you. So here please move your scalp seven times, slowly, clockwise, saying: Mother, please give me self-realization, seven times.Now please take down your hand and put both the hands towards me like this and open your eyes. Now watch me without thinking. Now put the right hand towards me like this and bend your head. And see for yourself if there is a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Now do not keep it on your head, a little away from it. Some people feel it much more far away and some people feel hot and some people feel cool. Now please put the left hand towards me like this and bend your head. And now with the right hand please see if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Bend your head! Now with the right hand towards me, please bend your head. And see with the left hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head.Now please put both your hands towards the sky, high like this and push back your head. Look upward and ask a question three times: Mother is this the cool breeze of the all-pervading power of love? This is called as Parama Chaitanya in Sanskrit language.Now take down your hands. All those who have felt cool breeze or hot breeze on their hands or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise both your hands, both hands! Most of you have felt.Tomorrow again you all should come whether you have felt it or not. And I will definitely explain to you about the spirit. Thank you very much. Please bring your friends tomorrow. Thank you very much, I have never met one like you I must say thank you.

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Public Program Day 1. Sofia (Bulgaria), 24 July 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. We have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot organize it, we cannot conceptualize it and we cannot know it with our human awareness. All this growth outside of our civilization is like a big tree but we have to know our roots how to be found out and they are within the human being. Whatever you have been told about the roots within ourselves, has to be understood with an open mind and if it works then you have to accept it as the truth, as honest people. Now the truth is that there is the All Pervading Power of Love, which is a certain pure power, which we have never felt before. But the time has come now, that we can feel that All Pervading Power. Second truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your conditionings but you are pure Spirit. When you become the Spirit you can experience the All Pervading Power of Love, as cool breeze on your fingertips. These are special times when there are so many seekers of truth. I call it as a "blossom time", where many flowers have to become the fruits. Unless and until we know the absolute truth, there will be many opinions and many ideologies and everyone thinking that they are the best and the correct. That's why there are quarrels, fights and wars. But when we feel absolute truth then there is no question of this [HACKERING] with another person. Moreover this power, which is doing all the living work, is the power of love, of pure love. It thinks, it organizes, it nourishes, it balances all living things. We do not even think when we do get our flowers, how beautiful they are, and they are coming out of a little seed. How it happens? How it happens? It's a living force. And the living force works it out. We have become human beings from the amoeba state and how did we become? We became spontaneously. Sahaja. Saha means with and Ja means born, and yoga means the union with that All Pervading Power. So, Sahaja Yoga means that all of you have a birthright to achieve this yoga and this is a fact. And I've come to Bulgaria because I know now you are free people but without Self Realization you cannot understand how to be free. I've been to all the free countries, so called. Though politically they are free, but they are completely lost, they are getting destroyed from within, because they have no wisdom how far to go, they have no balance and this is not freedom but complete abandonment. Perhaps you people do not know what is the condition of these countries. I lived in London, where every week 2 children are killed in that city, by their parents and all the time there is violence of the worst type. You cannot go out wearing even a small chain in New York. So, though outwardly they look prosperous, but they have become so superficial now, that the chances of their Realizations it wouldn't be very big. So, unless and until we have Self Realization, we also do not know how to use money. They have developed so many diseases, which are incurable, out of their so-called freedom. So we have to have the light of the Self in our attention, to see and know what is wrong with us and how do we relate to others. This light gives us wisdom and that is a very important thing that should happen to us. Today I wanted you to ask Me some questions but it seems there are so many people. In any case if you have any questions, you may write them down and give it to us and I hope tomorrow to answer them. Weather I answer the question it is not a guarantee that you get your Self Realization, because it is not a mental activity. When the Kundalini rises, She takes you beyond the mental state. But as She ascends, She nourishes the centers, the subtle centers and you get physical, mental and emotional benevolence. Automatically. It is like one candle, which is enlightened, can enlighten another candle. And so you can become an enlightened person, empowered with the quality of a sage, that you can give Realizations to others. You become extremely peaceful, joyous, knowledgeable, above all you develop a very balanced personality. Despite that, you are extremely compassionate. This is your right, you have to have it. Political freedom is not the complete, total freedom. With Self Realization only, you will be totally free and you will be master of yourself, so that nothing can dominate you, no bad habits, no diseases, no negative forces, nothing can dominate you. So I hope today you'll achieve that state. I want to have now the session for Self Realization. It will hardly take 10 minutes. It will take hardly 10 to 15 minutes. But I would request you that if you do not want Self Realization you should leave the hall and you should not disturb others during we have the session. Hello, normally, normally we do this [UNCLEAR] sitting down but I try today even with those who are standing. Normally, normally it is done when everybody is sitting down but I will try today even with on the people are standing. Translator: They [WANT, HAVE] to see you. Shri Mataji: There are two conditions before we start. The first one is that you have to forget the past because it does not exist anymore. In short you should not feel guilty at all. After all you are human beings and if you have made mistakes it doesn't matter. Only human beings can make mistakes. You are not Gods. So please, first of all, know that you are not guilty at all. If you feel guilty, then the center on the left hand side here gets into trouble and then you develop diseases like spondylitis and also like angina, some heart troubles. So please do not feel guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general, not to remember whom to forgive and whom not to forgive. Whether you forgive someone or not forgive you do not do anything, you do not do anything. It is a myth that you do not forgive. But you torture yourself for this [UNCLEAR]. So, I hope you will understand when I requested you that: "Please, forgive everyone in general". Do not think about individuals. People say it is difficult, but it is just a myth. If you do not forgive, then one of the most important centers, the 6-th center on the optic chiasm cannot open and your Kundalini won't rise. First you're suffering such a lot and then you'll miss also Self Realization. Now I cannot force on you Self Realization. You have to have the pure desire to get your Self Realization. So those who do not want I cannot force. Can I now request you to take out your shoes so that the Mother Earth also helps us? It will take hardly 15 minutes but you have to be quiet. Both the feet are to kept away from each other but those who are sitting on the ground are all right, they are [UNCLEAR]. Also those who are standing, they are all right. You have to put your left hand towards Me which is the symbolic expression of your desire. The left side is the power of desire and the right side is the power of action. So please put your left hand on your lap or like this and be comfortable. You need not bend or you need not slouch. Sit in a comfortable way. With the right hand we have to nourish our centers on the left hand side. So first we put our right hand on our heart where resides the Spirit. But the seat of the Spirit is in the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in childhood. Now you have to take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, which is the center of your mastery. This center is created within us by great masters and prophets. You have to take now your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. This is the center of pure knowledge, pure knowledge that manifests on your central nervous system. This is not just a mental conception or an imagination but is the last breakthrough of your evolution, which manifests on your nervous system. So you become, which is not just thinking but you really become an enlightened person. In Sanskrit we call it as bodha, like in Veda it is [VIDHA] means you know on your central nervous system. Now we raise our right hand again on our upper part of the abdomen, then on our heart, then in the corner of our neck and our shoulder and turn our head to our right. Now we take this right hand on the forehead and press it both the sides, our temples and put our head down. Here we have to forgive everyone. Now we take back our hand on the backside of our head and push back our head as far as possible. Here, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your satisfaction, you have to ask for forgiveness from this All Pervading Power of Pure Love. Now we stretch our palm and put the center of our palm on the fontanel bone area. And now we put down our head. Please stretch back your fingers, this is very important, so there's a lot of pressure on your scalp. Now move your scalp slowly, put down your head and now move your scalp very slowly, 7 times, clockwise, clockwise. Now let Me say that is been committed and you did not push back your fingers. You did not push back. You have to push back your fingers; it's a push back. All right. So now we start. You can take out your spectacles. Till I tell you, please don't open your eyes. In the heart resides the Spirit. So, now close your eyes and ask a very fundamental question to Me. You can call Me Mother or Shri Mataji, whatever you like. So we have to say 3 times: "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Three times. Now if you are the Spirit then you are your light, you are your light and you are your Master. So please take your hand, right hand, on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and here you ask another question, 3 times: "Mother, am I my own Master?", "Mother, am I my own Master?" I've already told you that I respect your freedom. I've already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force on you the pure knowledge. You have to ask. So now please take your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you have to ask 6 times, because this center has got 6 petals. So please ask 6 times: "Mother please give me pure knowledge." As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. So we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. So now, please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and here you say with full self-confidence, 10 times: "Mother I am my own Master." Now, raise your right hand in the upper, on to your heart. Here resides the Spirit. So please ask a question 12 times with full confidence or say it with full confidence: "Mother, I am the Spirit." You have to know that this All Pervading Power of Pure Love is the ocean of knowledge, it is the ocean of joy but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness and whatever mistakes you may commit it can dissolve. So now, please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and shoulder and put your, turn to your right, fully. Here, you have to say again with full confidence 16 times: "Mother, I am not guilty at all. I'm not guilty at all. I'm not guilty at all." I've already told you that weather you forgive or don't forgive you do not do anything. But when you do not forgive, you torture yourself. So now, take your right hand on top of your forehead and press both the temples, with your thumb and your small finger and bow the head, and put it down. Here you have to say from your heart, not how many times, not how many times: "Mother I forgive everyone." Please put down the head. Please say that from your heart. Put down the head. Now, take back your hand in the backside of your head and push back your head, as far as possible. Here, without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, just for your satisfaction, you have to say: "Oh, All Pervading Power of Love, please forgive me if I've done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly. Now, please stretch your hand, stretch your palm, put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area, and now press it down by putting down your head, first. And now push back your fingers. I must say that I cannot again cross over your freedom. I must say that I cannot cross over your freedom, I cannot cross over your freedom, I cannot [INTERACT] your freedom. So you have to ask for your Self Realization. So, now, put down your head and press your scalp pushing back your fingers and move your scalp with pressure 7 times, asking 7 times: "Mother, give me my Self Realization." Now, please take down your hands and open your eyes. Put both the hands towards Me, like this. Now, put the right hand like this and put down your head and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Some people get it closer and some [LITTLE] away. Some people get it far, but doesn't matter. If you do not forgive then you get it hot. Now, it's not on your head, it's away from your head. Now, please put your left hand towards Me, put down your head [UNCLEAR] and now see with your right hand if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head, [UNCLEAR], please. Once more you put right hand, right hand towards Me and left hand on the top of the fontanel bone area and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze. Now raise both your hands towards the sky and push back your head and ask a question: "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power of Pure Love?", "Mother, this is the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power of the Pure Love?" Ask this question 3 times Now please take down your hands. Watch Me without thinking. Please put your hands like this. All those who have felt the cool breeze or hot breeze, on their fingers or the hands, or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise your both the hands, both the hands. Please raise both your hands. You [OR] Bulgaria has got Self Realization. I bow to you. I bow to you. You feel the cool breeze? You feel the cool breeze? Remarkable. [AND, IN] there are so many people and I would like to meet you. I don't know how to do [THAT]. So they are going to play the music, I would request you to clap.

Public Program Day 1. Sofia (Bulgaria), 24 July 1990. I bow to all the seekers of truth. We have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot organize it, we cannot conceptualize it and we cannot know it with our human awareness. All this growth outside of our civilization is like a big tree but we have to know our roots how to be found out and they are within the human being. Whatever you have been told about the roots within ourselves, has to be understood with an open mind and if it works then you have to accept it as the truth, as honest people. Now the truth is that there is the All Pervading Power of Love, which is a certain pure power, which we have never felt before. But the time has come now, that we can feel that All Pervading Power. Second truth is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not your conditionings but you are pure Spirit. When you become the Spirit you can experience the All Pervading Power of Love, as cool breeze on your fingertips. These are special times when there are so many seekers of truth. I call it as a "blossom time", where many flowers have to become the fruits. Unless and until we know the absolute truth, there will be many opinions and many ideologies and everyone thinking that they are the best and the correct. That's why there are quarrels, fights and wars. But when we feel absolute truth then there is no question of this [HACKERING] with another person. Moreover this power, which is doing all the living work, is the power of love, of pure love. It thinks, it organizes, it nourishes, it balances all living things. We do not even think when we do get our flowers, how beautiful they are, and they are coming out of a little seed. How it happens? How it happens? It's a living force. And the living force works it out. We have become human beings from the amoeba state and how did we become? We became spontaneously. Sahaja. Saha means with and Ja means born, and yoga means the union with that All Pervading Power. So, Sahaja Yoga means that all of you have a birthright to achieve this yoga and this is a fact. And I've come to Bulgaria because I know now you are free people but without Self Realization you cannot understand how to be free. I've been to all the free countries, so called. Though politically they are free, but they are completely lost, they are getting destroyed from within, because they have no wisdom how far to go, they have no balance and this is not freedom but complete abandonment. Perhaps you people do not know what is the condition of these countries. I lived in London, where every week 2 children are killed in that city, by their parents and all the time there is violence of the worst type. You cannot go out wearing even a small chain in New York. So, though outwardly they look prosperous, but they have become so superficial now, that the chances of their Realizations it wouldn't be very big. So, unless and until we have Self Realization, we also do not know how to use money. They have developed so many diseases, which are incurable, out of their so-called freedom. So we have to have the light of the Self in our attention, to see and know what is wrong with us and how do we relate to others. This light gives us wisdom and that is a very important thing that should happen to us. Today I wanted you to ask Me some questions but it seems there are so many people. In any case if you have any questions, you may write them down and give it to us and I hope tomorrow to answer them. Weather I answer the question it is not a guarantee that you get your Self Realization, because it is not a mental activity. When the Kundalini rises, She takes you beyond the mental state. But as She ascends, She nourishes the centers, the subtle centers and you get physical, mental and emotional benevolence. Automatically. It is like one candle, which is enlightened, can enlighten another candle. And so you can become an enlightened person, empowered with the quality of a sage, that you can give Realizations to others. You become extremely peaceful, joyous, knowledgeable, above all you develop a very balanced personality. Despite that, you are extremely compassionate. This is your right, you have to have it. Political freedom is not the complete, total freedom. With Self Realization only, you will be totally free and you will be master of yourself, so that nothing can dominate you, no bad habits, no diseases, no negative forces, nothing can dominate you. So I hope today you'll achieve that state. I want to have now the session for Self Realization. It will hardly take 10 minutes. It will take hardly 10 to 15 minutes. But I would request you that if you do not want Self Realization you should leave the hall and you should not disturb others during we have the session. Hello, normally, normally we do this [UNCLEAR] sitting down but I try today even with those who are standing. Normally, normally it is done when everybody is sitting down but I will try today even with on the people are standing. Translator: They [WANT, HAVE] to see you. Shri Mataji: There are two conditions before we start. The first one is that you have to forget the past because it does not exist anymore. In short you should not feel guilty at all. After all you are human beings and if you have made mistakes it doesn't matter. Only human beings can make mistakes. You are not Gods. So please, first of all, know that you are not guilty at all. If you feel guilty, then the center on the left hand side here gets into trouble and then you develop diseases like spondylitis and also like angina, some heart troubles. So please do not feel guilty. Second condition is that you have to forgive everyone, in general, not to remember whom to forgive and whom not to forgive. Whether you forgive someone or not forgive you do not do anything, you do not do anything. It is a myth that you do not forgive. But you torture yourself for this [UNCLEAR]. So, I hope you will understand when I requested you that: "Please, forgive everyone in general". Do not think about individuals. People say it is difficult, but it is just a myth. If you do not forgive, then one of the most important centers, the 6-th center on the optic chiasm cannot open and your Kundalini won't rise. First you're suffering such a lot and then you'll miss also Self Realization. Now I cannot force on you Self Realization. You have to have the pure desire to get your Self Realization. So those who do not want I cannot force. Can I now request you to take out your shoes so that the Mother Earth also helps us? It will take hardly 15 minutes but you have to be quiet. Both the feet are to kept away from each other but those who are sitting on the ground are all right, they are [UNCLEAR]. Also those who are standing, they are all right. You have to put your left hand towards Me which is the symbolic expression of your desire. The left side is the power of desire and the right side is the power of action. So please put your left hand on your lap or like this and be comfortable. You need not bend or you need not slouch. Sit in a comfortable way. With the right hand we have to nourish our centers on the left hand side. So first we put our right hand on our heart where resides the Spirit. But the seat of the Spirit is in the fontanel bone area, which was a soft bone in childhood. Now you have to take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen, which is the center of your mastery. This center is created within us by great masters and prophets. You have to take now your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. This is the center of pure knowledge, pure knowledge that manifests on your central nervous system. This is not just a mental conception or an imagination but is the last breakthrough of your evolution, which manifests on your nervous system. So you become, which is not just thinking but you really become an enlightened person. In Sanskrit we call it as bodha, like in Veda it is [VIDHA] means you know on your central nervous system. Now we raise our right hand again on our upper part of the abdomen, then on our heart, then in the corner of our neck and our shoulder and turn our head to our right. Now we take this right hand on the forehead and press it both the sides, our temples and put our head down. Here we have to forgive everyone. Now we take back our hand on the backside of our head and push back our head as far as possible. Here, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, for your satisfaction, you have to ask for forgiveness from this All Pervading Power of Pure Love. Now we stretch our palm and put the center of our palm on the fontanel bone area. And now we put down our head. Please stretch back your fingers, this is very important, so there's a lot of pressure on your scalp. Now move your scalp slowly, put down your head and now move your scalp very slowly, 7 times, clockwise, clockwise. Now let Me say that is been committed and you did not push back your fingers. You did not push back. You have to push back your fingers; it's a push back. All right. So now we start. You can take out your spectacles. Till I tell you, please don't open your eyes. In the heart resides the Spirit. So, now close your eyes and ask a very fundamental question to Me. You can call Me Mother or Shri Mataji, whatever you like. So we have to say 3 times: "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Three times. Now if you are the Spirit then you are your light, you are your light and you are your Master. So please take your hand, right hand, on the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side and here you ask another question, 3 times: "Mother, am I my own Master?", "Mother, am I my own Master?" I've already told you that I respect your freedom. I've already told you that I respect your freedom and I cannot force on you the pure knowledge. You have to ask. So now please take your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and press it hard. Here you have to ask 6 times, because this center has got 6 petals. So please ask 6 times: "Mother please give me pure knowledge." As soon as you ask for pure knowledge the Kundalini starts rising. So we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. So now, please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and here you say with full self-confidence, 10 times: "Mother I am my own Master." Now, raise your right hand in the upper, on to your heart. Here resides the Spirit. So please ask a question 12 times with full confidence or say it with full confidence: "Mother, I am the Spirit." You have to know that this All Pervading Power of Pure Love is the ocean of knowledge, it is the ocean of joy but above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness and whatever mistakes you may commit it can dissolve. So now, please raise your right hand in the corner of your neck and shoulder and put your, turn to your right, fully. Here, you have to say again with full confidence 16 times: "Mother, I am not guilty at all. I'm not guilty at all. I'm not guilty at all." I've already told you that weather you forgive or don't forgive you do not do anything. But when you do not forgive, you torture yourself. So now, take your right hand on top of your forehead and press both the temples, with your thumb and your small finger and bow the head, and put it down. Here you have to say from your heart, not how many times, not how many times: "Mother I forgive everyone." Please put down the head. Please say that from your heart. Put down the head. Now, take back your hand in the backside of your head and push back your head, as far as possible. Here, without feeling guilty, without counting mistakes, just for your satisfaction, you have to say: "Oh, All Pervading Power of Love, please forgive me if I've done any mistakes knowingly or unknowingly. Now, please stretch your hand, stretch your palm, put the center of your palm on top of your fontanel bone area, and now press it down by putting down your head, first. And now push back your fingers. I must say that I cannot again cross over your freedom. I must say that I cannot cross over your freedom, I cannot cross over your freedom, I cannot [INTERACT] your freedom. So you have to ask for your Self Realization. So, now, put down your head and press your scalp pushing back your fingers and move your scalp with pressure 7 times, asking 7 times: "Mother, give me my Self Realization." Now, please take down your hands and open your eyes. Put both the hands towards Me, like this. Now, put the right hand like this and put down your head and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area. Some people get it closer and some [LITTLE] away. Some people get it far, but doesn't matter. If you do not forgive then you get it hot. Now, it's not on your head, it's away from your head. Now, please put your left hand towards Me, put down your head [UNCLEAR] and now see with your right hand if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head, [UNCLEAR], please. Once more you put right hand, right hand towards Me and left hand on the top of the fontanel bone area and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze. Now raise both your hands towards the sky and push back your head and ask a question: "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power of Pure Love?", "Mother, this is the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power of the Pure Love?" Ask this question 3 times Now please take down your hands. Watch Me without thinking. Please put your hands like this. All those who have felt the cool breeze or hot breeze, on their fingers or the hands, or out of their fontanel bone area, please raise your both the hands, both the hands. Please raise both your hands. You [OR] Bulgaria has got Self Realization. I bow to you. I bow to you. You feel the cool breeze? You feel the cool breeze? Remarkable. [AND, IN] there are so many people and I would like to meet you. I don't know how to do [THAT]. So they are going to play the music, I would request you to clap.

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Press Conference. Sofia (Bulgaria), 25 July 1990. Shri Mataji: They have to ask the questions, then I'll answer, is that the way we are? Translator: Just a few words about your life, your teaching, then they will ask the questions. Shri Mataji: All right. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday, in the hall I felt that in Bulgaria there are people who are very depressed about life. I think I've come here at the right time, when you have got your freedom, to tell you that only political freedom is not enough. So far I visited many countries who are supposed to be free. Sitting down here you should not think that all the roads are paved with gold. There are dominations of a different kind in those countries. The first is racialism. For example the English came to India and ruled us for 300 years. And they plundered us absolutely and they tortured us. My father was in jail, My mother was in jail, they took away all our properties, everything. And now, when there are people from India who had to go to there because they had West British passports they treat us like emigrants and trouble them a lot, while in India we have more Britishers settled down then in English land the Indians. Even in America there's such a lot of racialism. And recently there was a Mayor of Washington who was implicated into a drug case, because he was black, that's all. All these so called democratic countries are full of corruption. And there is tremendous disparity. Some of the people in these countries are poorer than any Eastern block people. Imagine in the cold of London so many people sleep on the street. So, there is also lot of violence. In America, everybody carries a gun. In Miami, I saw children of twelve years carrying guns. And they carry drugs with them and I think at least 60% people are taking drugs. There is no love between father, mother, family love, no love. In England every...in London city, they say so, that every week there are two children killed by parents. I'm told in... now in France, the morality is so law that a housewife is allowed to practice prostitution. In the democratic countries they want votes so they allow people... they play on the weaknesses of people. Like in London now they have started opening pubs from 6 o'clock in the morning. Naturally people are violent, even the football fans. There's no end to things that are happening but the worse thing that has come out of this freedom is AIDS. They do not worship Christ but they worship Freud. Socially they will go to church but privately they are disciples of Freud. So there's another disease that has come because of their over activity which is called Yuppie's disease. Because they become paralyzed, their conscious mind becomes paralyzed. I went to America in 1983,...'73, sorry and I told them very clearly that AIDS will be coming if they do all this nonsense. But they got very angry with Me for that and they followed all false gurus who take lot of money from them. In England, the BBC television told me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand without money, anything. They have no humility, they have no love. They are very superficial and very arrogant, very aggressive people. So I know that your system of communism has really made you people, more on the left side as we call it. Whatever may have been the government, the people of Eastern block and Russia people, are wonderful for spirituality. Mr. Korbaciov is really a realized soul, himself. And he has realized that he has to take the middle path. And that is how it is going to work out for you people if you take your Realization. First of all you'll be cured of all your diseases, physical and mental both. And you will develop a balance. You won't be over greedy, the way the people are in the West so that they are creating ecological problems. After Self Realization you will know that machines are for us, we are not for machines. So you will be satisfied people. Because this economic desire is never satiable. If you have one thing today you want to have another thing, going from one to another, is never satiable. So in America, they have created mountains and mountains of plastics, rubbers and also of broken cars.[MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] For example through totalitarian regime you are oppressed from outside but this so called, this freedom of abandonment destroys you from within. But I find the Eastern block people they have an attention which is very deep. They can recognize a person who is truthful and unpretentious and [UNCLEAR]. But otherwise, in the Western countries you have to put up some sort of a show, any false person, even getting out of the jail from India can go and create an impression with some sort of a show. The value of any master is according to the amount he charges for his program. Or you have to appear like a cinema actor or an actress, you see. They cannot understand motherhood because they, I think they never had good mothers, perhaps. So I have to tell you one thing, that quality of people, in Bulgaria and all the Eastern block is much higher. But don't be enamored by the superficialities of the West. And also not to be depressed. With wisdom, if you move after Self Realization you'd be one of the strongest nations of the world. It's not how many weapons you have; now the time is for people of quality. It's already predicted in Indian horoscopes and things that the reign of the people of quality will start now. So it is very important, that you get your Self Realization and yesterday surprisingly, 90% people at least or maybe more got Realization. Most surprising thing was people were standing. I've never done that before and they also got Realization. That really has touched my heart. As you know what is Sahaja Yoga, is already given to you, it relates to all the prophets, Incarnations, also points out where religions have gone wrong. Also it is related to science. In Russia, they organized a conference with 200 very high quality scientists. So when I told them about the scientific side of Sahaja Yoga they said: " Now we want only Realization." Also there were 600 doctors came from all over, Russia, they called, I mean. They also, after I explained to them what is Sahaja Yoga, how it controls parasympathetic nervous system they said: " Now, we want just Realization." There are 3 doctors in India who have got their MD, MD Master, after doing MBBS, after graduation, in Sahaja Yoga. It has cured cancer, no doubt; many, many diseases incurable like multiple sclerosis and all. And there are 7 doctors in London, who are doing now all the tabulation of curing. For this you don't have to pay. It's your own energy, which works it out. So there is no obligation either. But only to get cured one disease is not a sensible thing. But is better that you get your Self Realization established so you never get sick. I'm myself going to be seventy, eighty years of age and every night I sleep about say: 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock and get up very early. And I travel practically every third day. And I wouldn't been even to dentist. That's how you keep good health, energy and a joyous temperament. Question: What is the difference between you and the so-called people extra sense, people who have... possess this...they treat with this...? Shri Mataji: Extrasensory, yea. You see, there are two types of people who are doing [CURE] work. One of them are really Realized souls, born Realized. But they do not know how to protect themselves; they do not know how they do it. What was the name of the man in Russia? Answer: Kaspirovski. Shri Mataji: Now, this man is not a Realized soul at all. First of all, those who are Realized soul, they will never take money. Now, people like him, Kaspirovski, are the people they use black magic. I was surprised that so many children who saw him on the television are becoming blind. So many children who were sick who went to him and they got brain damage. I cured them, of course. They make money and they themselves don't know how they do it. In India of course we have some masters of this black magic. They are called as tantrikas. Actually tantra means this mechanism. But it is to be used only after Self Realization. Because they have no authority, they have no knowledge. It is like giving your bulldozer into the hands of who doesn't know how to operate it. Also, there are false gurus who are using the same black magic of mesmerism. It's used by putting some souls, dead souls, upon your soul. After Realization you can see those dead souls as loops in the air. You can see them, against the sunlight. You can also see the Chaitanya, this energy like small comas shining. Now, I had told them that the soul is on your back with seven loops. And is reflected on the receptor, in the cell, receptor in the cell. And it acts as a remote control. Now they have scientifically found it out. And they have the picture the same, as you see. So, for science also, we can tell them what they have to seek. Like there is a scientist here, now, who was doing experiment to create absolute zero. He could not do it because some of the heat is always left. So I told him to use these, these vibrations and he achieved the results. Question: The picture you present this, about the West is so appealing, so terrifying that the human being asked himself: "Are we going to be sorry for the acquired freedom?" Shri Mataji: Yea, no, that's why I am saying that this is the best time. I cancelled My program. You see, because I felt that this is the time they should know what is the truth, otherwise they will fall into the same trap. You see, they are so, so nervous all of them, that is hard to find an American who doesn't pinch his eye or, I mean, shakes his body. It's impossible to find one. And economically also, you must know that they are so much indebted. Even the people of Japan or, you see, of Germany they are no good, because they are like mad, looking like tourists, just taking photographs. They don't know anything better. They don't know what to do with their freedom so they are becoming punks, or, what you call, hippies and all kinds of nonsense. And the worst domination comes from the entrepreneurs. Every year they create a new fashion. So, the people have accumulated piles of clothes in their houses, piles of [UNCLEAR]. Sometimes ladies put up their hair up like that. Ultimately they get bald, because they have to use all these artificial things. And the faces all become very old because they use all kinds of nonsensical things. It's, apart from that, apart from that, you see, even the language has lost its luster, has lost its literature. And the art has lost its own creativity, because they are critics and critics and critics. So you have to conform to the critics. Now the situation is such that there are no artists, only critics criticizing critics. Because I am in a witness state I see all these things clearly. They'll finish their lives with drugs or with alcohol. They can't face themselves. That's why, you without Self Realization, one cannot understand the power of freedom, power of money, power of joy. Nothing. Question: The first question is: recently, there is a theory about the distinction, the different kind of bodies, material body, spiritual and astral body. What is your understanding about this question? Shri Mataji: All right. Now this is one is physical body is there. There are five types of bodies actually which are there, which are made out of your five causal of the five elements. And if you have any body, which is not all right, you can see the aura of that. But after Self Realization, you do not get any auras. But only you see on the top of your head, the light. So, but this astral body is, one is your own soul. But when somebody else's soul enters into you, it can take away your soul. And then you feel you are traveling here and there, all these things happen. But it's very dangerous because these souls can even take away your children's souls. And in the West even the smallest child is made to sleep in another room. They only have dogs in the bedroom, dogs or cats. And so many children have died like this. Even in Switzerland, in their beds. They use children, they treat children worse than they treat their dogs, I tell you. Translator: [MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] our development. Shri Mataji: It's correct. Translator: You explained about this question. Shri Mataji: It's [UNCLEAR]. Material development is much faster and in balance when you get Self Realization. These vibrations help agriculture very much. We have a scientist, dr. Hamid, in Austria, who has experimented with vibrations and has found out that even non-hybrid seeds give you greater [ILL] then hybrid seeds. In my own field I sold about 60 kilos of rice in one acre of land. And they told me: "It's a special rice. It won't grow here." But it turned out to be 1700 kilos. One of the best rices. And even the sunflower was so big, two feet diameter. You could not lift; one person could not lift. Giving oil six to ten times more! Do you know, from your country, you are exporting sweet peas and also sort of pulses to India. Chickpeas also. Millions tones of. If you vibrate them... Better do it fast. If Indians start doing it, they may not import. There are so many other things that happen. Firstly you become collective and everybody helps each other. There's no quarrel. You'll be happy to know that first time when I went to Russia, 25 Germans went there to give them Realization, Germans. Question: Just a few words about the purpose, the aim of the human evolution, the evolution of humanity and also about the biological evolution. Shri Mataji: You see now we have become human beings. But still we are in a chaos. Some people are dominated, some dominate and nobody has absolute truth with them. So now, the new breakthrough into the evolutionary process takes place in Sahaja Yoga. Formerly, in the ancient times, there used to be one or two flowers on the tree of life. But I have somehow developed this new method of Sahaja Yoga, which gives spontaneous Realization to thousands in en masse, en masse Realization. I've developed, this is the only thing I've developed. Collectively, for thousands, not one or two. Translator: For human beings. Shri Mataji: Yes, for human beings. Also we have so many viruses and all these things within us. These are the plants and the small, microscopic animals, which have gone out of the circulation, of our evolution. So, once you get into Sahaja Yoga, you come in the central path. Then you can be absolutely away, free from these viruses and all these diseases. So, physically you are a absolutely perfect person. Also physically you become equipped, to know whether something is good or bad. Like some say there is not God, some say there is God. But now, if you put your hands like this and ask a question: "Is there God?" and you are Realized soul, you get tremendous vibrations. So basically, our divine computer within us starts working. So this is the new state we have to reach. I'll give you an example of a sputnik, how it works. It is kept in containers, one, two, three, four containers. And the first container goes up to a point with a velocity. And then it explodes. And the rest of it gains a very great acceleration in the velocity. And that's how one after another three, four containers are exploded. And ultimately you go into the space. That's how our evolution has worked. First the carbon came in, carbon started, then we had organic chemistry with the carbon. The nitrogen mixed up then with the nitrogen we had amino acids. Then the proteins were formed. Now, after the proteins, then we had amoeba, then we had fishes, then we had... like that.... And ultimately we became human beings. So we had mental, emotional, physical explosions. And now, the last one is the spiritual. So we go to the space now. Question: Shri Mataji, recently there was some bad news about bad spirits, which predicted the end of the world by the end of this century. I would like to know your attitude about this and also I would like to know about your attitude towards the extraterrestrial creatures who are visiting our Earth. Shri Mataji: There's no one visiting. It's not so. But these people who are telling you that there's a doom state, don't believe them. Because they must frighten you, see, all these..., all the religions also frighten you: "You are sinners, you'll go to hell, you better give us money!" They are all money-oriented, or they are power-oriented. None of them are Spirit-oriented. So they have to frighten you, otherwise you won't give them money. Don't get frightened. Question: [UNCLEAR] This is a Bulgarian woman, which can see the past and the future. Shri Mataji: You should be in the present, Madame, because past is finished and future doesn't exist. Of course there are miracles all over, but you can't see them. There may be all the Deities sitting here, you can't see them. We have some very miraculous photographs. But when you will get established, then only we'll show you. Question: Can you see these creatures? Shri Mataji: Of course. I...But My interest is in seeing you, not in them. No, I'm not interested. I do not want to divert your attention to future or past because reality is in present. Question: Can you read thoughts? Shri Mataji: If I want to... But I'm not interested. I just want to know about your centers. My job is to give you Realization, that's all. That's Redemption. That is the Redemption, Redeemer, as Christ has said. The Holy Ghost has to redeem and also to comfort you, like curing you, and to counsel you. Question: [UNCLEAR] because I am from Romania. I am from Bucharest, [UNCLEAR].[MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] Shri Mataji: You see, in evolution always one fish had to come out first. Then all the others start. What can I do? I wish as somebody can become like Me so I can retire at this...,now, at this age. I must confess there must be something more about. But I am decided not to talk about Myself. Christ was the Son of God. Is the truth. But when he said that, they crucified Him. Now, if I say anything about Me, I don't want to get crucified. But, but when you get your Self Realization you will know what I am. Now, this gentleman has [BEEN THERE ALL THE TIME]. Question: [COULD, WILL] you tell in brief about the difference between your system and your teaching and the other types of yoga, Kriya Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Tantra Yoga. Shri Mataji: Yea, yea, yea. I'll tell you all about. That's a good question. Question: Could you reach this Self Realization by some teacher or by your own, own way? Shri Mataji: All right. The first question is about other Yogas. Now, the first is Hatha Yoga, Hatha Yoga it is. Ha is the right side, the Surya Nadi as they call, the Sun, Sun Nadi, and the left side is the moon. Two: Ha, Tha. So, you have to use both the sides, they use to use both the sides, thousands of years back. Patanjali wrote this, such a big book of Hatha Yoga which has Ashtanga, means there are...there are eight folds, eight steps. And the first step is called Yama Niyama. In that that means your disciplining, your exercises, your control of your attention, all these things in that [UNCLEAR]. And then the cleansing. The rest of it, is all Sahaja Yoga. But actually in those days there were very few people who were seekers like you. So they had to take lives after lives to come to a state. Like at the time of Rama there was one fellow who was given Self Realization, one. Krishna also tried. Christ could not give Realization. Before that only, they crucified Him. So the disciples got through the cool breeze coming into them, through the Mother of Christ, through the Mother, Mother of Christ. But they wanted to play Her down, all the time. In Christianity women are played down all the time. Like there is a Father God, Sun God, but no Mother. It's a Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost like a dove. How can you have a Sun God without a Mother? But in all other scriptures there is the description of the Primordial Mother. You will know in Sahaja Yoga who was the Mother of Christ. So Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of Hatha Yoga. But these days, the modern Hatha Yoga is just for physical exercises, without any discrimination. They just use the sun line, only one side. We too use certain exercises, like yesterday, combining both sides, but the way they are doing Hatha Yoga now is very dangerous. Hatha yogis, such Hatha Yogis, these modern Hatha Yogis can become extremely dry and divorces...They become extremely stiff people, hot tempered and violent. We had one in India, which was approved by the Government, but then he was arrested because he was secretly making guns, guns factory, here. So, I mean, one should... this idea of everybody becoming skinny is nonsense. That makes people very irritable. For women specially, thin women are very poor thing, irritated and sometimes very dominating, because they have no stored energy within them. So, one should not be thin or fat, but could be plump, but this kind of a Hatha Yoga can make you mad. They cannot even smile. The another is Kriya Yoga. And the Kriya Yoga is the one, which automatically happens within yourself when the Kundalini rises. Automatically. Just like when the car starts, you see, the machinery works. Like these centers open and close to keep the Kundalini going up. And when Kundalini passes this center, to keep it there, it closes again. There is a name for that, is [KATCHARY], because the tongue is pulled inside, little bit. So they cut the tread of the tongue, in California, of many doctors so that they could put back the tongue! And these people can't talk, they can't eat, they are in a mess. So it is like, it is like without starting the car, you start moving the wheel. What will happen? Now the same about Bhakti Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, these Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Unless and until you are connected, it's like a telephone without connection. On the contrary, they develop the problem of this throat, where resides Shri Krishna Himself. Here resides Shri Krishna Himself. So they develop the problem of Shri Krishna Himself and talk of Krishna consciousness. They sell Gita, Gita book, Gita book, just like Jehovah's Witness sell Bible. It's all bhutish knowledge. These books have got the prescription, but you have to take the medicine. Tantra yoga is again... is ours is real tantra yoga. In the way that it is written that after the Self Realization. Then you should know about the yantra, tantra, mantra. So those people who do tantra yoga are really like devils because they really spoil your whole thing. Their own life is so, so sinful. There's one, Gopi Krishna, if you see his own private life, it's terrible. Another is this T.M., T.M. T.M. is the worst I think. For some time they feel better because another soul sits on them, but after some time they become recluses, recluses. Good for nothing. And the mantras they charge 300 pounds, 6000 pounds. Because we got somebody who was the head of their flying foundation. He, his wife, his child and his depute director. All were [UNCLEAR]. All of them started suffering from epilepsy. And then I had to cure them. This man was a diamond merchant and his wife was the granddaughter of a duke. And they told Me all about it. He's writing a book now. They became bankrupt; he had to go to South Africa, where they are doing now Sahaja Yoga. [MISSING RECORDING] ...has paid 300 pounds. And then the fellow was sitting on seven steps up there. Also he was... everybody stupefied, you see. And even the gurus who were sitting there, used to giggle because they couldn't help seeing the people being made such fools. He is called as giggling guru also, he's called as giggling guru. Oh, then they had the flying, you see, flying session. So you could fly on 3 feet, you see. All hocus-pocus, all hocus-pocus. Poor things, they broke all their bottoms. And there was a case against them in America and they compensated, they compensated with money. They were given 6 days the water which boiled potatoes. And then the seventh day they were given rind of the potato [TWIT], rind, the covering and ate they the potato. And charged 6000 pounds. But then I would blame the seekers. Why do they want to fly at 3 feet, as it is we are having such problem with our traffic jams? So also the seekers are stupid I must say. Because they were very expensive, you see, they felt attracted. In the West whatever is expensive is great. They give some name to the product and is expensive, then it's great. So stupid they are. Question: This girl would like to ask you: now, in our country, people have been very politically conscious, politically conscious. Could people relieve themselves of the stress and do their duties in the daytime, of the stress arising from this political change in our country. Shri Mataji: Yea. Yes. You see, in the West now, supposing in England, every third day there is a strike. We went from Russia back and we were hanging in the air, because when the plane landed there was strike. So we could not get down. We were all in the plane for 3-4 hours. So, that is one thing. Then second thing is that they just belong to some sort of a Party, everybody must belong to some Party. And all the time what they are doing is to pull each other. But there is no constructive mind. But with Sahaja Yoga you become extremely constructive, extremely constructive. Because you know your glory, you know your greatness and you develop your self-respect, and you don't want to waste it on nonsensical things, and even without taking part in any politics you trigger goodness. It is predicted that after some time the Sahaja Yogis are going to rule the world. So one should wait and see. Question: Could You make a session so that our audience on the TV sets watching, could watch also, for unrealized souls, unrealized individuals? Shri Mataji: All right. Yea, of course, of course. Of course. It works with TV, I've seen. Translator: For our people who watch at the TV sets [IS, IF] there [ARE] hopes? Shri Mataji: Yea, yea. It does work, it does work. It does work, no doubt. It does work, please tell. Translator: There are people who want to ask questions. Shri Mataji: Still? All right. I just tell her one thing that it does work, people can get Realization but it's a collective happening, so you have to form some centers where all of them should meet, who are realized souls. Translator: And Self Realization how this in the future will be a balance between that knowledge and the Self Realization, the spiritual and elevation of the human beings. Shri Mataji: There is a complete advantage of the knowledge that human beings have achieved. For example if there was not television I could not have given Realization to thousands. If there was not aeroplane I could not have come to Bulgaria. Also every knowledge has to be enlightened, so it tells you what is knowledge and what it is non-knowledge. So it is absolutely related. For example if a doctor becomes, if doctor becomes a Sahaja Yogi, he can do much better as a doctor. And if a musician becomes a Sahaja Yogi he becomes a great musician. Say, an artist, a painter becomes a Sahaja Yogi he can create wonderful things. Also political ideas like I would say: "I, I am, say, powerful, I've all the powers. So I'm a capitalist but I can't live without distributing it. So I'm the greatest communist". You see, because we think that by distributing these worldly things, we become communists. But if you give the highest than these things are nothing. So also the [CAP], you see, the political ideas were started by great people like Socrates started it. Yes. And Socrates said that for the benevolence, the king has to be benevolent king. But his disciples, like Aristotle really spoilt it. Still, the politics was philosophy oriented and then, now it has become nothing but economics. Now, economics itself you understand better in Sahaja Yoga. First is that want in general are not satiable, want in general are not satiable. So what is satiable there? We have to find out. Also science tells you that, how it harms, what will harm you, also science tells you, but we don't listen to it. But with Sahaja Yoga we will. So everything gets extremely beautiful and purified. So the knowledge becomes constructive and nourishing and benevolent. Question: The first question of the lady is: can you tell which is the best way to construct a good family and a few words about your family, your children, your husband. And second question is who is paying the expenses: your foundation, your association, and for your travels to teach this teaching abroad? Shri Mataji: First I'll tell about who is paying, is better. You see, I come from a rich family. Luckily my husband also is earning quite a lot of money. And we have no bad habits. So for first four years I was paying for myself and for everyone, also I have purchased some ashrams for them. But gradually the Sahaja Yogis started feeling guilty: "It's too much, that you should pay for our salvation". They felt their self-respect. So the partly, you see, for traveling I used to pay myself and they used to pay for the halls and for advertising, in their own local places, in their countries. They combined together. And now for say, Eastern block things, they are all combined together, all over the world. We are 40 nations, you see. So they are paying for, say this hall and advertising, and you'll be surprised that we always hit jackpots. Jackpot means suddenly you get a big deal, a sort of. For example this hall was given for a [SONG] by [SHARITAN] hotel. For a [SONG], just for little money. So then you, I mean that is how last time there were 35 people came from Russia, they had no money. I paid half and they, these people paid half. Because now we are so many people that they little bit contribute and it's sufficient. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga, all of them have become rich also and they have become generous. You'll be surprised that in London there's so much of unemployment but there's not one single Sahaja Yogi who is unemployed. So, the second is about my family. I come from a very patriotic family and my forefathers were like kings, like rulers. They were dynasty and they had a calendar also. Even now we use the same calendar. And my father was very linguistic. He was master of 14 languages. He knew 26 languages actually. After getting freedom he became the member of the Central Assembly, then of then Constitute Assembly, then of the Parliament. And my mother was a Honors of Mathematics. And both of them sacrificed everything for the country. [MISSING FROM THE RECORDED SPEECH] But he's a great Sahaja Yogi. Another sister has got doctorate in Music, Doctor of Music. She's teaching music to Sahaja Yogis in Austria. She was here for 3 months and now she's going back. Now, my husband's family is also the same lawyers family. Landlords, they were all landlords, [UNCLEAR], very rich families. And my husband himself is a great patriot. And he worked in India in the highest service, we call as the civil servant, highest civil service. He was with our Prime Minister as his Secretary, first Secretary, official. Then he was elected by 134 nations as the Secretary General of International Maritime Organization. He came to Bulgaria also. It is one of the agencies of UN, like WHO, called as IMO. He has visited Bulgaria many a times. Because you use the flag, they used Bulgarian flag for the ships. He was elected 4 times unanimously. And then he..., I forced him to retire because now he's old 70 years of age. Recently the British Government has given him the Knighthood. Last 5 years they have not given it to anyone. Only Reagan, Reagan, president Reagan got one. Is the highest award, the highest, our British highest award. The Secretary of State said that: "I had heard about Legions but now a Legion is sitting before me." Because my husband has got 31 highest awards, major awards, from 31 countries. This has not happen to anyone, in whole world he said. But he's a very generous and a humble person. Even when he got this award he said: "It is all because of my wife, I got it. Because She's such an efficient housewife and She's so relaxed, She has never bothered me." Half the time he was talking about Me only. And I was very bashful; he was talking about Me only half the time. I was feeling so shy. And he comes to Sahaja Yoga sessions also, to seminars and always he has praised Sahaja Yoga. Now, Sahaja Yoga is recognized by the UN now. And also in America they believe in this religion of Sahaja Yoga, which we call as the Universal religion, Universal Pure Religion. Accepted. They have accepted it as a religion and is a church now, they have accepted it as a church, the highest, highest position in religion, in America. I've two daughters, one is an architect and another is a writer. They are both very clever, all first class, first [TOOLS]. And both of my son in laws are also very, very intelligent and very dynamic, honest, patriotic people. They all love Me very much. And I have four grandchildren and the eldest one is 18 years. When I am at home, we all sleep together, four my grandchildren and Myself. They are also very good students, very good people and all born Realized. They realized that I am doing very important work, my husband and my family so they all help Me a lot. They respect all the Sahaja Yogis and whichever way they can help, money wise, any way, they want to help. But on my father's side and my husband's side we have very large families, 100 people at least on both the sides. And they are all very aware of my work and very respectful so I am very lucky also. Actually I chose my parents and... I chose my own parents. And my husband is extremely nice and loving. Every third or forth day he's telephoning wherever I am.... I never telephone but he telephones Me. So My family is also this. ...It's quite a lot of time as well. One question about the family she asked, that's I must tell: how do you have good families. One question. One, one more question. That's very important. You see because I know in the Eastern countries also there's a big problem of divorce. Even in Poland, everybody has had already 3-4 husbands, wives. But when you are in Sahaja Yoga, they come to India and apply for marriages. The first condition is they have to be 2 years in Sahaja Yoga, then all the leaders from all the other nations, they give full idea about every person. They have to also write about their preferences and what they want and all that and then we give them some matches, you see, to see for themselves. It's done mostly with vibrations. And whatever they like, then they can marry, whichever person they like. Every year we have about 75 marriages. About 2 marriages, 2 or 3 marriages failed also. Rarely, rarely. So there is divorce also in Sahaja Yoga. But mostly it is international marriages. And the children that are born are all mostly Self Realized. They also bring a force between the husband and wife. They are very happily married. In the Sahaja Yoga society we do not have this problem of flirting, no problem of flirting. It's a very pure relationship. So there are no jalousies, these... Very peaceful families. I don't have to tell them. Their Spirit Itself guides them. Translator: Now we could start the session. Shri Mataji: Good. Because already it is 12.30 and we should do; about 10-15 minutes we'll require. Somebody should come and show here, one person. Somebody?... You could come. I have to show you but there's no need for you to get up. Normally I wear a white sari for meditation but because of television I wore a darker shade. But doesn't matter. Still it works, still it works. Only just to, attention, you see, on a white is less deeper. Now, first of all there are 2 conditions. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. In short it means you should know that you are not guilty at all. You should not feel guilty, at all. I was happy to see that you all were laughing and enjoying what I was telling you. Because after all you are human beings and it's only human beings can commit mistakes not the Gods. So there is nothing to can feel guilty. I mean to say that you have to be pleasantly placed towards yourself. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone in general. We do not have to think how to forgive, difficult to forgive. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything, it's a myth. So, if you are not forgiving, you are playing into wrong hands and you are torturing yourself. So, better to forgive everyone without thinking about individuals. Now you have to understand that I cannot force Self Realization on you because this Kundalini, which uncoils Itself and connects you to this All Pervading Power is the power of pure desire. So you have to have pure desire to get Self Realization, in your own glory of freedom. I respect that freedom because ultimately you have to get the total freedom, above all conditionings, ego, habits. Nothing can dominate you. All right. So we use our left hand to express our desire to have Self Realization and we use our right hand to nourish our centers on the left side. First of all I would request you to take out your shoes because this Mother Earth helps us a lot. Also to keep both your feet on the ground, separate from each other. Now, we'll show you how to put the right hand on [YOUR] centers. Then you'll have to close your eyes. So now, first you put left hand like this and the right hand, right hand on the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. You should sit comfortably, not bending, not stretching, comfortably, comfortably, straight. So now you have in the heart the Spirit, but the seat of the Spirit is on the fontanel bone area, here, because [INNAUDIBLE]. Now we move our hand on to the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left hand side. This is the center of our mastery. Then we move our right hand in the lower potion of our abdomen. This is the center of pure knowledge, which manifests on your the central nervous system. Whatever we have achieved in the evolutionary process is manifested on our central nervous system. Then again we take back our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then we take our hand on our heart and then we take our hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder, like this. And then turn your head to your right. This is the center we catch when we feel guilty. And this I feel just now the most you are catching, all of you. Please don't feel guilty otherwise Kundalini won't pass. Now, please take your right hand onto your forehead pressing both the temples like this. And now bend your head fully. Now, take back your right...this is the center for forgiving everyone. Now, we take back our hand on the backside of the head and push back our head as far as possible. This is the center where you have to ask forgiveness from the All Pervading Power of Love, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, without [UNCLEAR], just for your satisfaction. You have to push back your head fully. Now, you have to stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area. Now put down your head and press back your fingers, as far as possible. And now you can move your scalp with a pressure, 7 times clockwise, slowly. That's all we have to do. Now, will you please remember that you have to keep your both feet on the sides and you have to sit little straight. And put your left hand towards Me. You can take out your spectacles and put your right hand on your heart. Here, you have to close your eyes and till I tell you, please don't open. Please have faith in yourself that you all can get Realization. Now, here, on your heart you have to say, ask a question to Me which is very fundamental. Please ask 3 times, you can call Me Mother or you can call Me Shri Mataji. Please say: "Mother, am I the Spirit?", ask this question 3 times. Now, if you are the Spirit, you are the light. So you are your own master. So, now please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and ask 3 times another question to Me: "Mother, am my own master?" I've already told you that I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask in your own freedom. So now please put your left hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and ask the question or say:" Mother, please give me pure knowledge". As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising. So we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. Please raise your right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left hand side. Here you have to say with full self-confidence, 10 times: "Mother, I am my own master." The greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this intellect, you are not this ego, you are not these conditionings but you are pure Spirit. So now, raise your right hand on your heart and say it with full confidence: "Mother, I am the Spirit", say it 12 times, 12 times. Now, we have to know that this power of love, which is all pervading is the ocean of knowledge and it is the ocean of joy but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So we cannot commit any mistakes, which cannot be dissolved by this ocean of forgiveness. I've already told you that if you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into wrong hands and torture yourself. So, now, please put your hand on your forehead in such a way that you press both the..., both the temples with your finger, small finger and the thumb. And now please hold your head and put it down as far as possible. Now, here you have to say: "Mother, I forgive everyone." Don't think of individuals, in general you have to forgive, in general you have to forgive. You have to say from your heart, not how many times. Now, please take your [HAND] on the backside of your head, here, and put back your head as far as possible. Here you have to say for your satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes: "Oh, All Pervading Power of Love, please forgive me if I've done any mistakes, knowingly or unknowingly." Say it from your heart. Now, the last center. Please stretch your palm and please put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area. Here, please, again, push back your fingers. Now, bend your head. Here, again, I cannot force Self Realization on you. You have to ask for it in your own glory of freedom. Now, please put down your head and put a proper pressure. And now move the scalp, scalp 7 times, slowly, with pressure, not the hand but the scalp, saying 7 times: "Mother, please give me the Self Realization". Now, please open your eyes. Put your left hand towards Me and right hand towards Me. Now, watch Me without thinking. Now, put down your head and see with your left hand if there's a cool breeze coming from your head. Keep the right hand like this. Bend your head and see. The hand should not be on the head but away from it. Some of you might feel hot because you have not forgiven. So please, forgive. Now, put the left hand towards Me. Bend your head please and see with your right hand if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. It can be far away also for some people. For some people it can be far away. Now, again put your right hand towards Me and see with the left hand if there's a cool breeze coming out. Now, raise your hands up and push back your head and ask a question 3 times: "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power?" Now, take down the hands please. You feel very relaxed and you feel the cool breeze also. Those who have felt the cool breeze in their hands or out of their heads, please raise your both the hands. Oh, all of you have got it. A person: Not all. Shri Mataji: Very few haven't got it. A person: For instance [UNCLEAR] less [UNCLEAR] with my right... Shri Mataji: Because you are a journalist.The person: No, I'm not. Shri Mataji: No? The person: I'm an interpreter. Shri Mataji: That may be. The same with him. Your right is always catch. Because you talk too much. It's all right, you'll get it, it's all right. So, thank you very much. Those who have not got it can also come down and the Sahaja Yogis can give them Realization, those who haven't got it. Maybe something wrong in the physical side. You can come down, here, this side. Please, this is the chance of the life [COMING].

Press Conference. Sofia (Bulgaria), 25 July 1990. Shri Mataji: They have to ask the questions, then I'll answer, is that the way we are? Translator: Just a few words about your life, your teaching, then they will ask the questions. Shri Mataji: All right. I bow to all the seekers of truth. Yesterday, in the hall I felt that in Bulgaria there are people who are very depressed about life. I think I've come here at the right time, when you have got your freedom, to tell you that only political freedom is not enough. So far I visited many countries who are supposed to be free. Sitting down here you should not think that all the roads are paved with gold. There are dominations of a different kind in those countries. The first is racialism. For example the English came to India and ruled us for 300 years. And they plundered us absolutely and they tortured us. My father was in jail, My mother was in jail, they took away all our properties, everything. And now, when there are people from India who had to go to there because they had West British passports they treat us like emigrants and trouble them a lot, while in India we have more Britishers settled down then in English land the Indians. Even in America there's such a lot of racialism. And recently there was a Mayor of Washington who was implicated into a drug case, because he was black, that's all. All these so called democratic countries are full of corruption. And there is tremendous disparity. Some of the people in these countries are poorer than any Eastern block people. Imagine in the cold of London so many people sleep on the street. So, there is also lot of violence. In America, everybody carries a gun. In Miami, I saw children of twelve years carrying guns. And they carry drugs with them and I think at least 60% people are taking drugs. There is no love between father, mother, family love, no love. In England every...in London city, they say so, that every week there are two children killed by parents. I'm told in... now in France, the morality is so law that a housewife is allowed to practice prostitution. In the democratic countries they want votes so they allow people... they play on the weaknesses of people. Like in London now they have started opening pubs from 6 o'clock in the morning. Naturally people are violent, even the football fans. There's no end to things that are happening but the worse thing that has come out of this freedom is AIDS. They do not worship Christ but they worship Freud. Socially they will go to church but privately they are disciples of Freud. So there's another disease that has come because of their over activity which is called Yuppie's disease. Because they become paralyzed, their conscious mind becomes paralyzed. I went to America in 1983,...'73, sorry and I told them very clearly that AIDS will be coming if they do all this nonsense. But they got very angry with Me for that and they followed all false gurus who take lot of money from them. In England, the BBC television told me that Anglo-Saxon brain cannot understand without money, anything. They have no humility, they have no love. They are very superficial and very arrogant, very aggressive people. So I know that your system of communism has really made you people, more on the left side as we call it. Whatever may have been the government, the people of Eastern block and Russia people, are wonderful for spirituality. Mr. Korbaciov is really a realized soul, himself. And he has realized that he has to take the middle path. And that is how it is going to work out for you people if you take your Realization. First of all you'll be cured of all your diseases, physical and mental both. And you will develop a balance. You won't be over greedy, the way the people are in the West so that they are creating ecological problems. After Self Realization you will know that machines are for us, we are not for machines. So you will be satisfied people. Because this economic desire is never satiable. If you have one thing today you want to have another thing, going from one to another, is never satiable. So in America, they have created mountains and mountains of plastics, rubbers and also of broken cars.[MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] For example through totalitarian regime you are oppressed from outside but this so called, this freedom of abandonment destroys you from within. But I find the Eastern block people they have an attention which is very deep. They can recognize a person who is truthful and unpretentious and [UNCLEAR]. But otherwise, in the Western countries you have to put up some sort of a show, any false person, even getting out of the jail from India can go and create an impression with some sort of a show. The value of any master is according to the amount he charges for his program. Or you have to appear like a cinema actor or an actress, you see. They cannot understand motherhood because they, I think they never had good mothers, perhaps. So I have to tell you one thing, that quality of people, in Bulgaria and all the Eastern block is much higher. But don't be enamored by the superficialities of the West. And also not to be depressed. With wisdom, if you move after Self Realization you'd be one of the strongest nations of the world. It's not how many weapons you have; now the time is for people of quality. It's already predicted in Indian horoscopes and things that the reign of the people of quality will start now. So it is very important, that you get your Self Realization and yesterday surprisingly, 90% people at least or maybe more got Realization. Most surprising thing was people were standing. I've never done that before and they also got Realization. That really has touched my heart. As you know what is Sahaja Yoga, is already given to you, it relates to all the prophets, Incarnations, also points out where religions have gone wrong. Also it is related to science. In Russia, they organized a conference with 200 very high quality scientists. So when I told them about the scientific side of Sahaja Yoga they said: " Now we want only Realization." Also there were 600 doctors came from all over, Russia, they called, I mean. They also, after I explained to them what is Sahaja Yoga, how it controls parasympathetic nervous system they said: " Now, we want just Realization." There are 3 doctors in India who have got their MD, MD Master, after doing MBBS, after graduation, in Sahaja Yoga. It has cured cancer, no doubt; many, many diseases incurable like multiple sclerosis and all. And there are 7 doctors in London, who are doing now all the tabulation of curing. For this you don't have to pay. It's your own energy, which works it out. So there is no obligation either. But only to get cured one disease is not a sensible thing. But is better that you get your Self Realization established so you never get sick. I'm myself going to be seventy, eighty years of age and every night I sleep about say: 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock and get up very early. And I travel practically every third day. And I wouldn't been even to dentist. That's how you keep good health, energy and a joyous temperament. Question: What is the difference between you and the so-called people extra sense, people who have... possess this...they treat with this...? Shri Mataji: Extrasensory, yea. You see, there are two types of people who are doing [CURE] work. One of them are really Realized souls, born Realized. But they do not know how to protect themselves; they do not know how they do it. What was the name of the man in Russia? Answer: Kaspirovski. Shri Mataji: Now, this man is not a Realized soul at all. First of all, those who are Realized soul, they will never take money. Now, people like him, Kaspirovski, are the people they use black magic. I was surprised that so many children who saw him on the television are becoming blind. So many children who were sick who went to him and they got brain damage. I cured them, of course. They make money and they themselves don't know how they do it. In India of course we have some masters of this black magic. They are called as tantrikas. Actually tantra means this mechanism. But it is to be used only after Self Realization. Because they have no authority, they have no knowledge. It is like giving your bulldozer into the hands of who doesn't know how to operate it. Also, there are false gurus who are using the same black magic of mesmerism. It's used by putting some souls, dead souls, upon your soul. After Realization you can see those dead souls as loops in the air. You can see them, against the sunlight. You can also see the Chaitanya, this energy like small comas shining. Now, I had told them that the soul is on your back with seven loops. And is reflected on the receptor, in the cell, receptor in the cell. And it acts as a remote control. Now they have scientifically found it out. And they have the picture the same, as you see. So, for science also, we can tell them what they have to seek. Like there is a scientist here, now, who was doing experiment to create absolute zero. He could not do it because some of the heat is always left. So I told him to use these, these vibrations and he achieved the results. Question: The picture you present this, about the West is so appealing, so terrifying that the human being asked himself: "Are we going to be sorry for the acquired freedom?" Shri Mataji: Yea, no, that's why I am saying that this is the best time. I cancelled My program. You see, because I felt that this is the time they should know what is the truth, otherwise they will fall into the same trap. You see, they are so, so nervous all of them, that is hard to find an American who doesn't pinch his eye or, I mean, shakes his body. It's impossible to find one. And economically also, you must know that they are so much indebted. Even the people of Japan or, you see, of Germany they are no good, because they are like mad, looking like tourists, just taking photographs. They don't know anything better. They don't know what to do with their freedom so they are becoming punks, or, what you call, hippies and all kinds of nonsense. And the worst domination comes from the entrepreneurs. Every year they create a new fashion. So, the people have accumulated piles of clothes in their houses, piles of [UNCLEAR]. Sometimes ladies put up their hair up like that. Ultimately they get bald, because they have to use all these artificial things. And the faces all become very old because they use all kinds of nonsensical things. It's, apart from that, apart from that, you see, even the language has lost its luster, has lost its literature. And the art has lost its own creativity, because they are critics and critics and critics. So you have to conform to the critics. Now the situation is such that there are no artists, only critics criticizing critics. Because I am in a witness state I see all these things clearly. They'll finish their lives with drugs or with alcohol. They can't face themselves. That's why, you without Self Realization, one cannot understand the power of freedom, power of money, power of joy. Nothing. Question: The first question is: recently, there is a theory about the distinction, the different kind of bodies, material body, spiritual and astral body. What is your understanding about this question? Shri Mataji: All right. Now this is one is physical body is there. There are five types of bodies actually which are there, which are made out of your five causal of the five elements. And if you have any body, which is not all right, you can see the aura of that. But after Self Realization, you do not get any auras. But only you see on the top of your head, the light. So, but this astral body is, one is your own soul. But when somebody else's soul enters into you, it can take away your soul. And then you feel you are traveling here and there, all these things happen. But it's very dangerous because these souls can even take away your children's souls. And in the West even the smallest child is made to sleep in another room. They only have dogs in the bedroom, dogs or cats. And so many children have died like this. Even in Switzerland, in their beds. They use children, they treat children worse than they treat their dogs, I tell you. Translator: [MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] our development. Shri Mataji: It's correct. Translator: You explained about this question. Shri Mataji: It's [UNCLEAR]. Material development is much faster and in balance when you get Self Realization. These vibrations help agriculture very much. We have a scientist, dr. Hamid, in Austria, who has experimented with vibrations and has found out that even non-hybrid seeds give you greater [ILL] then hybrid seeds. In my own field I sold about 60 kilos of rice in one acre of land. And they told me: "It's a special rice. It won't grow here." But it turned out to be 1700 kilos. One of the best rices. And even the sunflower was so big, two feet diameter. You could not lift; one person could not lift. Giving oil six to ten times more! Do you know, from your country, you are exporting sweet peas and also sort of pulses to India. Chickpeas also. Millions tones of. If you vibrate them... Better do it fast. If Indians start doing it, they may not import. There are so many other things that happen. Firstly you become collective and everybody helps each other. There's no quarrel. You'll be happy to know that first time when I went to Russia, 25 Germans went there to give them Realization, Germans. Question: Just a few words about the purpose, the aim of the human evolution, the evolution of humanity and also about the biological evolution. Shri Mataji: You see now we have become human beings. But still we are in a chaos. Some people are dominated, some dominate and nobody has absolute truth with them. So now, the new breakthrough into the evolutionary process takes place in Sahaja Yoga. Formerly, in the ancient times, there used to be one or two flowers on the tree of life. But I have somehow developed this new method of Sahaja Yoga, which gives spontaneous Realization to thousands in en masse, en masse Realization. I've developed, this is the only thing I've developed. Collectively, for thousands, not one or two. Translator: For human beings. Shri Mataji: Yes, for human beings. Also we have so many viruses and all these things within us. These are the plants and the small, microscopic animals, which have gone out of the circulation, of our evolution. So, once you get into Sahaja Yoga, you come in the central path. Then you can be absolutely away, free from these viruses and all these diseases. So, physically you are a absolutely perfect person. Also physically you become equipped, to know whether something is good or bad. Like some say there is not God, some say there is God. But now, if you put your hands like this and ask a question: "Is there God?" and you are Realized soul, you get tremendous vibrations. So basically, our divine computer within us starts working. So this is the new state we have to reach. I'll give you an example of a sputnik, how it works. It is kept in containers, one, two, three, four containers. And the first container goes up to a point with a velocity. And then it explodes. And the rest of it gains a very great acceleration in the velocity. And that's how one after another three, four containers are exploded. And ultimately you go into the space. That's how our evolution has worked. First the carbon came in, carbon started, then we had organic chemistry with the carbon. The nitrogen mixed up then with the nitrogen we had amino acids. Then the proteins were formed. Now, after the proteins, then we had amoeba, then we had fishes, then we had... like that.... And ultimately we became human beings. So we had mental, emotional, physical explosions. And now, the last one is the spiritual. So we go to the space now. Question: Shri Mataji, recently there was some bad news about bad spirits, which predicted the end of the world by the end of this century. I would like to know your attitude about this and also I would like to know about your attitude towards the extraterrestrial creatures who are visiting our Earth. Shri Mataji: There's no one visiting. It's not so. But these people who are telling you that there's a doom state, don't believe them. Because they must frighten you, see, all these..., all the religions also frighten you: "You are sinners, you'll go to hell, you better give us money!" They are all money-oriented, or they are power-oriented. None of them are Spirit-oriented. So they have to frighten you, otherwise you won't give them money. Don't get frightened. Question: [UNCLEAR] This is a Bulgarian woman, which can see the past and the future. Shri Mataji: You should be in the present, Madame, because past is finished and future doesn't exist. Of course there are miracles all over, but you can't see them. There may be all the Deities sitting here, you can't see them. We have some very miraculous photographs. But when you will get established, then only we'll show you. Question: Can you see these creatures? Shri Mataji: Of course. I...But My interest is in seeing you, not in them. No, I'm not interested. I do not want to divert your attention to future or past because reality is in present. Question: Can you read thoughts? Shri Mataji: If I want to... But I'm not interested. I just want to know about your centers. My job is to give you Realization, that's all. That's Redemption. That is the Redemption, Redeemer, as Christ has said. The Holy Ghost has to redeem and also to comfort you, like curing you, and to counsel you. Question: [UNCLEAR] because I am from Romania. I am from Bucharest, [UNCLEAR].[MISSING FROM RECORDED SPEECH] Shri Mataji: You see, in evolution always one fish had to come out first. Then all the others start. What can I do? I wish as somebody can become like Me so I can retire at this...,now, at this age. I must confess there must be something more about. But I am decided not to talk about Myself. Christ was the Son of God. Is the truth. But when he said that, they crucified Him. Now, if I say anything about Me, I don't want to get crucified. But, but when you get your Self Realization you will know what I am. Now, this gentleman has [BEEN THERE ALL THE TIME]. Question: [COULD, WILL] you tell in brief about the difference between your system and your teaching and the other types of yoga, Kriya Yoga, Hatha Yoga, Tantra Yoga. Shri Mataji: Yea, yea, yea. I'll tell you all about. That's a good question. Question: Could you reach this Self Realization by some teacher or by your own, own way? Shri Mataji: All right. The first question is about other Yogas. Now, the first is Hatha Yoga, Hatha Yoga it is. Ha is the right side, the Surya Nadi as they call, the Sun, Sun Nadi, and the left side is the moon. Two: Ha, Tha. So, you have to use both the sides, they use to use both the sides, thousands of years back. Patanjali wrote this, such a big book of Hatha Yoga which has Ashtanga, means there are...there are eight folds, eight steps. And the first step is called Yama Niyama. In that that means your disciplining, your exercises, your control of your attention, all these things in that [UNCLEAR]. And then the cleansing. The rest of it, is all Sahaja Yoga. But actually in those days there were very few people who were seekers like you. So they had to take lives after lives to come to a state. Like at the time of Rama there was one fellow who was given Self Realization, one. Krishna also tried. Christ could not give Realization. Before that only, they crucified Him. So the disciples got through the cool breeze coming into them, through the Mother of Christ, through the Mother, Mother of Christ. But they wanted to play Her down, all the time. In Christianity women are played down all the time. Like there is a Father God, Sun God, but no Mother. It's a Holy Ghost, Holy Ghost like a dove. How can you have a Sun God without a Mother? But in all other scriptures there is the description of the Primordial Mother. You will know in Sahaja Yoga who was the Mother of Christ. So Sahaja Yoga is the culmination of Hatha Yoga. But these days, the modern Hatha Yoga is just for physical exercises, without any discrimination. They just use the sun line, only one side. We too use certain exercises, like yesterday, combining both sides, but the way they are doing Hatha Yoga now is very dangerous. Hatha yogis, such Hatha Yogis, these modern Hatha Yogis can become extremely dry and divorces...They become extremely stiff people, hot tempered and violent. We had one in India, which was approved by the Government, but then he was arrested because he was secretly making guns, guns factory, here. So, I mean, one should... this idea of everybody becoming skinny is nonsense. That makes people very irritable. For women specially, thin women are very poor thing, irritated and sometimes very dominating, because they have no stored energy within them. So, one should not be thin or fat, but could be plump, but this kind of a Hatha Yoga can make you mad. They cannot even smile. The another is Kriya Yoga. And the Kriya Yoga is the one, which automatically happens within yourself when the Kundalini rises. Automatically. Just like when the car starts, you see, the machinery works. Like these centers open and close to keep the Kundalini going up. And when Kundalini passes this center, to keep it there, it closes again. There is a name for that, is [KATCHARY], because the tongue is pulled inside, little bit. So they cut the tread of the tongue, in California, of many doctors so that they could put back the tongue! And these people can't talk, they can't eat, they are in a mess. So it is like, it is like without starting the car, you start moving the wheel. What will happen? Now the same about Bhakti Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, these Hare Rama Hare Krishna. Unless and until you are connected, it's like a telephone without connection. On the contrary, they develop the problem of this throat, where resides Shri Krishna Himself. Here resides Shri Krishna Himself. So they develop the problem of Shri Krishna Himself and talk of Krishna consciousness. They sell Gita, Gita book, Gita book, just like Jehovah's Witness sell Bible. It's all bhutish knowledge. These books have got the prescription, but you have to take the medicine. Tantra yoga is again... is ours is real tantra yoga. In the way that it is written that after the Self Realization. Then you should know about the yantra, tantra, mantra. So those people who do tantra yoga are really like devils because they really spoil your whole thing. Their own life is so, so sinful. There's one, Gopi Krishna, if you see his own private life, it's terrible. Another is this T.M., T.M. T.M. is the worst I think. For some time they feel better because another soul sits on them, but after some time they become recluses, recluses. Good for nothing. And the mantras they charge 300 pounds, 6000 pounds. Because we got somebody who was the head of their flying foundation. He, his wife, his child and his depute director. All were [UNCLEAR]. All of them started suffering from epilepsy. And then I had to cure them. This man was a diamond merchant and his wife was the granddaughter of a duke. And they told Me all about it. He's writing a book now. They became bankrupt; he had to go to South Africa, where they are doing now Sahaja Yoga. [MISSING RECORDING] ...has paid 300 pounds. And then the fellow was sitting on seven steps up there. Also he was... everybody stupefied, you see. And even the gurus who were sitting there, used to giggle because they couldn't help seeing the people being made such fools. He is called as giggling guru also, he's called as giggling guru. Oh, then they had the flying, you see, flying session. So you could fly on 3 feet, you see. All hocus-pocus, all hocus-pocus. Poor things, they broke all their bottoms. And there was a case against them in America and they compensated, they compensated with money. They were given 6 days the water which boiled potatoes. And then the seventh day they were given rind of the potato [TWIT], rind, the covering and ate they the potato. And charged 6000 pounds. But then I would blame the seekers. Why do they want to fly at 3 feet, as it is we are having such problem with our traffic jams? So also the seekers are stupid I must say. Because they were very expensive, you see, they felt attracted. In the West whatever is expensive is great. They give some name to the product and is expensive, then it's great. So stupid they are. Question: This girl would like to ask you: now, in our country, people have been very politically conscious, politically conscious. Could people relieve themselves of the stress and do their duties in the daytime, of the stress arising from this political change in our country. Shri Mataji: Yea. Yes. You see, in the West now, supposing in England, every third day there is a strike. We went from Russia back and we were hanging in the air, because when the plane landed there was strike. So we could not get down. We were all in the plane for 3-4 hours. So, that is one thing. Then second thing is that they just belong to some sort of a Party, everybody must belong to some Party. And all the time what they are doing is to pull each other. But there is no constructive mind. But with Sahaja Yoga you become extremely constructive, extremely constructive. Because you know your glory, you know your greatness and you develop your self-respect, and you don't want to waste it on nonsensical things, and even without taking part in any politics you trigger goodness. It is predicted that after some time the Sahaja Yogis are going to rule the world. So one should wait and see. Question: Could You make a session so that our audience on the TV sets watching, could watch also, for unrealized souls, unrealized individuals? Shri Mataji: All right. Yea, of course, of course. Of course. It works with TV, I've seen. Translator: For our people who watch at the TV sets [IS, IF] there [ARE] hopes? Shri Mataji: Yea, yea. It does work, it does work. It does work, no doubt. It does work, please tell. Translator: There are people who want to ask questions. Shri Mataji: Still? All right. I just tell her one thing that it does work, people can get Realization but it's a collective happening, so you have to form some centers where all of them should meet, who are realized souls. Translator: And Self Realization how this in the future will be a balance between that knowledge and the Self Realization, the spiritual and elevation of the human beings. Shri Mataji: There is a complete advantage of the knowledge that human beings have achieved. For example if there was not television I could not have given Realization to thousands. If there was not aeroplane I could not have come to Bulgaria. Also every knowledge has to be enlightened, so it tells you what is knowledge and what it is non-knowledge. So it is absolutely related. For example if a doctor becomes, if doctor becomes a Sahaja Yogi, he can do much better as a doctor. And if a musician becomes a Sahaja Yogi he becomes a great musician. Say, an artist, a painter becomes a Sahaja Yogi he can create wonderful things. Also political ideas like I would say: "I, I am, say, powerful, I've all the powers. So I'm a capitalist but I can't live without distributing it. So I'm the greatest communist". You see, because we think that by distributing these worldly things, we become communists. But if you give the highest than these things are nothing. So also the [CAP], you see, the political ideas were started by great people like Socrates started it. Yes. And Socrates said that for the benevolence, the king has to be benevolent king. But his disciples, like Aristotle really spoilt it. Still, the politics was philosophy oriented and then, now it has become nothing but economics. Now, economics itself you understand better in Sahaja Yoga. First is that want in general are not satiable, want in general are not satiable. So what is satiable there? We have to find out. Also science tells you that, how it harms, what will harm you, also science tells you, but we don't listen to it. But with Sahaja Yoga we will. So everything gets extremely beautiful and purified. So the knowledge becomes constructive and nourishing and benevolent. Question: The first question of the lady is: can you tell which is the best way to construct a good family and a few words about your family, your children, your husband. And second question is who is paying the expenses: your foundation, your association, and for your travels to teach this teaching abroad? Shri Mataji: First I'll tell about who is paying, is better. You see, I come from a rich family. Luckily my husband also is earning quite a lot of money. And we have no bad habits. So for first four years I was paying for myself and for everyone, also I have purchased some ashrams for them. But gradually the Sahaja Yogis started feeling guilty: "It's too much, that you should pay for our salvation". They felt their self-respect. So the partly, you see, for traveling I used to pay myself and they used to pay for the halls and for advertising, in their own local places, in their countries. They combined together. And now for say, Eastern block things, they are all combined together, all over the world. We are 40 nations, you see. So they are paying for, say this hall and advertising, and you'll be surprised that we always hit jackpots. Jackpot means suddenly you get a big deal, a sort of. For example this hall was given for a [SONG] by [SHARITAN] hotel. For a [SONG], just for little money. So then you, I mean that is how last time there were 35 people came from Russia, they had no money. I paid half and they, these people paid half. Because now we are so many people that they little bit contribute and it's sufficient. And after coming to Sahaja Yoga, all of them have become rich also and they have become generous. You'll be surprised that in London there's so much of unemployment but there's not one single Sahaja Yogi who is unemployed. So, the second is about my family. I come from a very patriotic family and my forefathers were like kings, like rulers. They were dynasty and they had a calendar also. Even now we use the same calendar. And my father was very linguistic. He was master of 14 languages. He knew 26 languages actually. After getting freedom he became the member of the Central Assembly, then of then Constitute Assembly, then of the Parliament. And my mother was a Honors of Mathematics. And both of them sacrificed everything for the country. [MISSING FROM THE RECORDED SPEECH] But he's a great Sahaja Yogi. Another sister has got doctorate in Music, Doctor of Music. She's teaching music to Sahaja Yogis in Austria. She was here for 3 months and now she's going back. Now, my husband's family is also the same lawyers family. Landlords, they were all landlords, [UNCLEAR], very rich families. And my husband himself is a great patriot. And he worked in India in the highest service, we call as the civil servant, highest civil service. He was with our Prime Minister as his Secretary, first Secretary, official. Then he was elected by 134 nations as the Secretary General of International Maritime Organization. He came to Bulgaria also. It is one of the agencies of UN, like WHO, called as IMO. He has visited Bulgaria many a times. Because you use the flag, they used Bulgarian flag for the ships. He was elected 4 times unanimously. And then he..., I forced him to retire because now he's old 70 years of age. Recently the British Government has given him the Knighthood. Last 5 years they have not given it to anyone. Only Reagan, Reagan, president Reagan got one. Is the highest award, the highest, our British highest award. The Secretary of State said that: "I had heard about Legions but now a Legion is sitting before me." Because my husband has got 31 highest awards, major awards, from 31 countries. This has not happen to anyone, in whole world he said. But he's a very generous and a humble person. Even when he got this award he said: "It is all because of my wife, I got it. Because She's such an efficient housewife and She's so relaxed, She has never bothered me." Half the time he was talking about Me only. And I was very bashful; he was talking about Me only half the time. I was feeling so shy. And he comes to Sahaja Yoga sessions also, to seminars and always he has praised Sahaja Yoga. Now, Sahaja Yoga is recognized by the UN now. And also in America they believe in this religion of Sahaja Yoga, which we call as the Universal religion, Universal Pure Religion. Accepted. They have accepted it as a religion and is a church now, they have accepted it as a church, the highest, highest position in religion, in America. I've two daughters, one is an architect and another is a writer. They are both very clever, all first class, first [TOOLS]. And both of my son in laws are also very, very intelligent and very dynamic, honest, patriotic people. They all love Me very much. And I have four grandchildren and the eldest one is 18 years. When I am at home, we all sleep together, four my grandchildren and Myself. They are also very good students, very good people and all born Realized. They realized that I am doing very important work, my husband and my family so they all help Me a lot. They respect all the Sahaja Yogis and whichever way they can help, money wise, any way, they want to help. But on my father's side and my husband's side we have very large families, 100 people at least on both the sides. And they are all very aware of my work and very respectful so I am very lucky also. Actually I chose my parents and... I chose my own parents. And my husband is extremely nice and loving. Every third or forth day he's telephoning wherever I am.... I never telephone but he telephones Me. So My family is also this. ...It's quite a lot of time as well. One question about the family she asked, that's I must tell: how do you have good families. One question. One, one more question. That's very important. You see because I know in the Eastern countries also there's a big problem of divorce. Even in Poland, everybody has had already 3-4 husbands, wives. But when you are in Sahaja Yoga, they come to India and apply for marriages. The first condition is they have to be 2 years in Sahaja Yoga, then all the leaders from all the other nations, they give full idea about every person. They have to also write about their preferences and what they want and all that and then we give them some matches, you see, to see for themselves. It's done mostly with vibrations. And whatever they like, then they can marry, whichever person they like. Every year we have about 75 marriages. About 2 marriages, 2 or 3 marriages failed also. Rarely, rarely. So there is divorce also in Sahaja Yoga. But mostly it is international marriages. And the children that are born are all mostly Self Realized. They also bring a force between the husband and wife. They are very happily married. In the Sahaja Yoga society we do not have this problem of flirting, no problem of flirting. It's a very pure relationship. So there are no jalousies, these... Very peaceful families. I don't have to tell them. Their Spirit Itself guides them. Translator: Now we could start the session. Shri Mataji: Good. Because already it is 12.30 and we should do; about 10-15 minutes we'll require. Somebody should come and show here, one person. Somebody?... You could come. I have to show you but there's no need for you to get up. Normally I wear a white sari for meditation but because of television I wore a darker shade. But doesn't matter. Still it works, still it works. Only just to, attention, you see, on a white is less deeper. Now, first of all there are 2 conditions. The first condition is that you have to forget the past. In short it means you should know that you are not guilty at all. You should not feel guilty, at all. I was happy to see that you all were laughing and enjoying what I was telling you. Because after all you are human beings and it's only human beings can commit mistakes not the Gods. So there is nothing to can feel guilty. I mean to say that you have to be pleasantly placed towards yourself. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone in general. We do not have to think how to forgive, difficult to forgive. Because whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything, it's a myth. So, if you are not forgiving, you are playing into wrong hands and you are torturing yourself. So, better to forgive everyone without thinking about individuals. Now you have to understand that I cannot force Self Realization on you because this Kundalini, which uncoils Itself and connects you to this All Pervading Power is the power of pure desire. So you have to have pure desire to get Self Realization, in your own glory of freedom. I respect that freedom because ultimately you have to get the total freedom, above all conditionings, ego, habits. Nothing can dominate you. All right. So we use our left hand to express our desire to have Self Realization and we use our right hand to nourish our centers on the left side. First of all I would request you to take out your shoes because this Mother Earth helps us a lot. Also to keep both your feet on the ground, separate from each other. Now, we'll show you how to put the right hand on [YOUR] centers. Then you'll have to close your eyes. So now, first you put left hand like this and the right hand, right hand on the heart. In the heart resides the Spirit. You should sit comfortably, not bending, not stretching, comfortably, comfortably, straight. So now you have in the heart the Spirit, but the seat of the Spirit is on the fontanel bone area, here, because [INNAUDIBLE]. Now we move our hand on to the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left hand side. This is the center of our mastery. Then we move our right hand in the lower potion of our abdomen. This is the center of pure knowledge, which manifests on your the central nervous system. Whatever we have achieved in the evolutionary process is manifested on our central nervous system. Then again we take back our hand in the upper portion of our abdomen. Then we take our hand on our heart and then we take our hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder, like this. And then turn your head to your right. This is the center we catch when we feel guilty. And this I feel just now the most you are catching, all of you. Please don't feel guilty otherwise Kundalini won't pass. Now, please take your right hand onto your forehead pressing both the temples like this. And now bend your head fully. Now, take back your right...this is the center for forgiving everyone. Now, we take back our hand on the backside of the head and push back our head as far as possible. This is the center where you have to ask forgiveness from the All Pervading Power of Love, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, without [UNCLEAR], just for your satisfaction. You have to push back your head fully. Now, you have to stretch your palm and put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area. Now put down your head and press back your fingers, as far as possible. And now you can move your scalp with a pressure, 7 times clockwise, slowly. That's all we have to do. Now, will you please remember that you have to keep your both feet on the sides and you have to sit little straight. And put your left hand towards Me. You can take out your spectacles and put your right hand on your heart. Here, you have to close your eyes and till I tell you, please don't open. Please have faith in yourself that you all can get Realization. Now, here, on your heart you have to say, ask a question to Me which is very fundamental. Please ask 3 times, you can call Me Mother or you can call Me Shri Mataji. Please say: "Mother, am I the Spirit?", ask this question 3 times. Now, if you are the Spirit, you are the light. So you are your own master. So, now please take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and ask 3 times another question to Me: "Mother, am my own master?" I've already told you that I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask in your own freedom. So now please put your left hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and ask the question or say:" Mother, please give me pure knowledge". As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising. So we have to nourish the upper centers with our self-confidence. Please raise your right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen, on the left hand side. Here you have to say with full self-confidence, 10 times: "Mother, I am my own master." The greatest truth about you is that you are not this body, you are not this mind, you are not this intellect, you are not this ego, you are not these conditionings but you are pure Spirit. So now, raise your right hand on your heart and say it with full confidence: "Mother, I am the Spirit", say it 12 times, 12 times. Now, we have to know that this power of love, which is all pervading is the ocean of knowledge and it is the ocean of joy but above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So we cannot commit any mistakes, which cannot be dissolved by this ocean of forgiveness. I've already told you that if you forgive or don't forgive you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into wrong hands and torture yourself. So, now, please put your hand on your forehead in such a way that you press both the..., both the temples with your finger, small finger and the thumb. And now please hold your head and put it down as far as possible. Now, here you have to say: "Mother, I forgive everyone." Don't think of individuals, in general you have to forgive, in general you have to forgive. You have to say from your heart, not how many times. Now, please take your [HAND] on the backside of your head, here, and put back your head as far as possible. Here you have to say for your satisfaction, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes: "Oh, All Pervading Power of Love, please forgive me if I've done any mistakes, knowingly or unknowingly." Say it from your heart. Now, the last center. Please stretch your palm and please put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area. Here, please, again, push back your fingers. Now, bend your head. Here, again, I cannot force Self Realization on you. You have to ask for it in your own glory of freedom. Now, please put down your head and put a proper pressure. And now move the scalp, scalp 7 times, slowly, with pressure, not the hand but the scalp, saying 7 times: "Mother, please give me the Self Realization". Now, please open your eyes. Put your left hand towards Me and right hand towards Me. Now, watch Me without thinking. Now, put down your head and see with your left hand if there's a cool breeze coming from your head. Keep the right hand like this. Bend your head and see. The hand should not be on the head but away from it. Some of you might feel hot because you have not forgiven. So please, forgive. Now, put the left hand towards Me. Bend your head please and see with your right hand if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. It can be far away also for some people. For some people it can be far away. Now, again put your right hand towards Me and see with the left hand if there's a cool breeze coming out. Now, raise your hands up and push back your head and ask a question 3 times: "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the All Pervading Power?" Now, take down the hands please. You feel very relaxed and you feel the cool breeze also. Those who have felt the cool breeze in their hands or out of their heads, please raise your both the hands. Oh, all of you have got it. A person: Not all. Shri Mataji: Very few haven't got it. A person: For instance [UNCLEAR] less [UNCLEAR] with my right... Shri Mataji: Because you are a journalist.The person: No, I'm not. Shri Mataji: No? The person: I'm an interpreter. Shri Mataji: That may be. The same with him. Your right is always catch. Because you talk too much. It's all right, you'll get it, it's all right. So, thank you very much. Those who have not got it can also come down and the Sahaja Yogis can give them Realization, those who haven't got it. Maybe something wrong in the physical side. You can come down, here, this side. Please, this is the chance of the life [COMING].

7/25/1990

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How to go beyond all mental ideas about reality?

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Public Program Day 2 [NOTE - 26.53-lectures starts followed by bhajan] Yesterday I told you that we cannot know the truth at our human awareness. You have to become the spirit. You become the spirit. You are in contact with the all pervading power of love. And then only you can know the absolute truth. This is the power of God’s love. We have not used the power of love before. We have only used the power of hatred. Now there are so many seekers of truth in this world. In the beginning in the ancient times there were very few. Once you all get your self realization this energy of power of lover will start flowing through you. It will nourish you, it will cure you and take you beyond all mental ideas about reality. This power is within you which is called as kundalini in triangular bone. It is in the sacrum bone that means the Greeks knew that it is sacred bone. This power all of you have got. It is the germinating power within us. And when it is awakened it passes through six subtle centres and pierces through your fontanelle bone area. Though the seed of the spirit is fontanelle bone area, spirit itself resides in your heart. All this mechanism is within you. You are already built in that way. Like a small seed, all the maps of all the trees, you have this power within you. Though it is a living process, process of evolution; as you have become human being you have to become spirit spontaneously. Sahaja , saha means with , ja is born. Yoga means the union with this all pervading divine power. So every human being has a right to become united with this all pervading power. Hatha yoga, they have asked this question; ha – tha are two nadis, two side nadis. Ha is the sun line (right) and tha is the moon line (left). That means you have to deal with the psyche as well as you somatic side. Somatic right side. And the book of patanjali is so thick like that, so much, but what today they are teaching you are these exercises which is very v-bit, v-bit of that eight fold patanjali yoga. Also it is also indiscriminate. Because we also use the exercises whenever it is needed, whatever chakras whatever centres it is needed. But if you just do all these exercises you can become a very dry person. What we call that you become a right sided person. Such a person is very extremely irritable and hot tempered. So it is an some sort of artificial yoga. One has to be very careful. We got three patients who suffered because of hatha yoga. Then there is kriya yoga, all these yoga also artificial. Sahaja yoga is a-kriyayoga means nothing is to be done spontaneous. Automatically all the instruments starts working it out. You don’t have to do it from outside, artificially. In Los Angeles they the cut the thread of the tongue of the people to push the tongue back to raise the kundalini, which is nonsense. In ancient times they used to clean the centres for many lives also. From one life to another. Now I have discovered a new method in 1970. Where only few threads of kundalini rise piercing through, and pierce through your fontanelle bone area which and then you get slightly connected. But so many get in a big way. In that little light you can say whats wrong with you. For eg. you are holding on to a snake in the darkness and if I tell you that its a snake you may not agree with me. But if there is little light you will immediately see and throw away. Thats what happens to you when your kundalini rises and pierces through your fontanelle bone area. I have seen people giving up drugs, smoking, alcohol overnight. Now when the kundalini rises she nourishes all the centres. Because of that you get cured of all the physical problem. And also you get rid of your mental problems. It enlightens your brain. You become extremely intelligent and also very dynamic. It enlightens your heart so you become extremely compassionate. And you get empowered that you can raise the kundalini of others and give realisation to others. Somebody has asked me how to protect the psychologist from getting caught up from their patients. In sahaja yoga you learn how to protect yourself. First you become thoughtlessly aware. When the kundalini crosses this centre. Then when it is established you become what we call as doubtlessly aware. At this stage you can give realisaton to others. And you become absolutely self confident. Also you feel this cool breeze of the all pervading power all the time. And you are surprised how you are looked after by this power. Life becomes full of miracles. They have asked me about christianity and Christ. I believe in christ of course and without him we cannot give you realisation. We will tell you where christ resides within us. But I do not believe in christianity. Not because christianity came to India with a gun in one hand and bible in another hand. They went to America and killed all the people who were there. Even in Argentina and chile you cannot find one aboriginal. Thank God Columbus did not come to India , by chance he went there. Otherwise I would not have been here. All this christians (missionaries) would have killed us completely. It is all money oriented organisaton. And the power oriented. It is not spirit oriented. Christ has said that you will be calling me christ christ I wouldn't recognise you. And these people are the christians . Because they are not following christ, they are following Paul. Paul was not anyway near christ. I was born in a christian family myself. I asked my father in my childhood who is this Paul. My father was a realised soul. He told me this one has just come very nicely and settled down. He killed so many christians, he killed also St. Steven. And he found that it was good platform to get a name so he just became a great leader. And he was a epileptic that means he was possessed, collecting money. Christ has said that you have to be born again. But they take false certificate that we are born again. By saying we are born again you do not become. You have to have selfrealisation. By giving false baptism you do not become a christian. You have to have an actualisation of realisation, actualisation of baptism. That is why christ has also said that those who are not against me are with me. We should find out who are those. But in christian religion they put blinkers, you can't see here or there. Also they frighten you and say that you are sinners and you must pay for it. But God does not know money. Christ has died for our sins. He has already suffered for us. What more can we suffer. But they want to show christ as a person hanging on the cross all the time, show him so miserable. But if you see the sixteen chapel where Michael Angelo, was realised soul, he showed christ as a large personality with a big stomach and all. All that sixteen chapel is this todays what you call the last judgement. The message of christ is resurrection. And not suffering. We have christ on our Agnya chakra on the optic chiasma where the two nerves cross to go to two eyes. Christ has said though shall not have adulterous eyes. How many christians there are who have no lust or greed in their eyes. Christ is the eternal child of innocence. They had the father God and the son God, but no mother. In the christianity they have avoided the women completely. In all other scriptures, other religion they accept the primordial mother. Even the mother of christ was a goddess. She is the one who gave realisation to this twelve disciples of christ, eleven disciple. But they do not want to talk about it. They don't even allow women to be the priest. But its not true. This centre if you have to open you have to forgive. What christ has given us is the greates weapon , to forgive everyone. Even when on the cross he said, he said that all those who were crucifying him should be forgiven, he prayed to God. So those people, who are following, supposed to be following are not only forgiving but they are so aggressive, they are so horrid. they are so immoral. Christ went to a wedding and made the water into wine. It was the grape juice, not the alcohol. One can do it even with vibrations. But how can it be alcohol because alcohol has to rot for one month. Otherwise it doesn't become alcohol. So all false idea has been generated. Without connection to christ no use praying to him. They are distributing bible, they are distributing geeta, all this books; by having this bookish knowledge are we going to rise higher. It is the prescription given to you. If you are go on reading the prescription, you will get more headache. You have to take the medicine, you have to get your realisation. Without christ we cannot do sahaja yoga but all the prophets, and all the incarnation play a part. They are all within ourselves. Today a muslim lady came. She had a pain in the stomach and her kundalini would not rise. She told that she was muslim. So I asked her to ask muhammad sahab if this is the resurrection time he was telling about. She asked thrice and her kundalini rose and she felt alright. Because muhammad sahab has said when resurrection time will come your hands will speak. That happens in sahaja yoga. But what are the muslims doing, just fighting with each other, cutting everybody's throat. Same with hindu. It is said that in everybody resides the spirit. So how can you have caste system. In every religion whether it is buddhism, jainism, sikhism; all are isms. You ask a jew and he will tell against the christian. And will tell against the muslims. And muslims will tell against the jews. All of them are blind and ignorant. There are no where near God. Now we have 40 nations doing sahaja yoga. And all of them belong to all religion. The jews, hindus, muslims all respect christ. They also worship muhammad and they also worship shri krishna. Because they are all born on the same tree of spirituality. But people like Paul have taken away the flowers, plucked them and now they are fighting with the dead flower. Sahaja yogis are universally are in a pure religion. It is an innate religion. You become automatically righteous and compassionate. Yesterday many people got their realisation. Some did not get perhaps their physical mental problems. But today I hope all of you will get your realisation. And as honest people you must take to reality and not to nonsense. You have to respect your realisation. And you have to grow in collectivity. It is the growth only in collectivity not individually. If somebody says I can do it at home, he cannot. Because you become part and parcel of the whole. The microcosm becomes macrocosm. Now supposing if I cut my nail it will never grow. I had told you that I will tell you about the spirit. Spirit is the collective being within us. It is the reflection of God almighty in our heart. And kundalini is the reflection of the primordial mother, the holy ghost. Which is the pure desire. The spirit is source of peace. It is the source of absolute knowledge. When it starts manifesting on central nervous system, you feel cool breeze. You become like a divine computer. And then you can feel it about everyone, their chakras and yours too. If you know how to correct them, you can cure others, you can cure yourself. You can find about anyone of anything with your vibrations. Your attention becomes enlightened with the light of spirit, your eyes becomes innocent, and wherever you pay attention this attention acts for the benevolence. Spirit gives us total balance and total benevolence. It is the source of joy. And when joy is manifesting there is no duality of happiness and unhappiness. I hope Bulgaria will become a very powerful spiritual country. They have asked me about asthma and all these diseases are absolutely curable, even caner. But you have to come to the centre. The best is to get your self realisation established. So there is no more diseases for you. And you can cure others. No use curing one disease like that. I am sorry I have to go today by plane to Turkey. But I will give you your realisation. I will come next year now. I travel a lot. I am always with you. So you should have no more fear, no more depression, nothing can torture you, trouble you or dominate you. So now we will have self-realisation meditation. I have already told you that I cannot force self-realisation on you. It has to be accepted, asked for, desired for in your glory of freedom. I would request you to take out your shoes. You will have all the knowledge about sahaja yoga absolutely free in your centre. Today we have here some English, some French, some Italians who come to help you; and also Greek. But specially the Swiss. They have taken a great interest in you and they will be coming off and on. Now we have to know that we have two powers, one is the power of desire or ordinary desire and another is the power of action. So now please put your left hand towards me and both the feet apart from each other because these are two powers. And we have to use the right hand for nourishing our centres on the left hand side which he will show you. Now there are two conditions which you will have to fulfill. The first condition is that you have to forget the past means that you should know that you are not guilty not at all. Those who tell you you are sinners are themselves sinners. After all you are human being. Human beings can only make mistakes. You are not Gods. So please don't feel guilty at all. On the contrary you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourselves. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do any thing. But if you do not forgive then you play in the wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing at all. And those whom you do not forgive are enjoying life. If you do not forgive the centre here is closed like this. But if you forgive it will open like that and then kundalini can go. If you feel guilty then this centre catches here, between the shoulder and the neck, here, on this side and kundalini cannot pass through. But you get diseases like spondylitis, angina. While forgiving you do not have to think of individual, in general you have to say I forgive everyone. Don't fight with your thoughts. You will automatically become thoughtlessly aware. So now we will first tell you how you nourish your centre and then we raise the kundalini. Those who are sitting on the chair have to put both the feet apart from each other. And those who are sitting on the ground are alright as they are. They should sit in very, we say sahaja asana means absolutely spread out; with folded leg if possible for a short time. Now, please put the left hand towards me like this. You can keep it on your lap. Now, this symbolises that you want your self-realisation. Now you put your right hand on your heart where resides the spirit. Now you put your hand on the upper portion of the abdomen. This is the centre of your mastery. This is created by all prophets and all the great masters. Now please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. This is the centre of pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system. All whatever we get out of evolutionary process manifest on central nervous system. Now we raise our hand again on the upper portion of the abdomen. Then raise your hand on your heart. Now you have to take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head toward right. Now take your hand on tope of your forehead and put your small finger and thumb on two temples. And now hold your head properly with three fingers and put it down, put it down. This is the centre where you have to forgive everyone. Now you have to take your hand back side of your head. And push back your head as far as possible. This is the centre where you have to ask forgiveness from the all pervading power of love; without feeling guilty, without counting your mistake for your own satisfaction. Now stretch your palm fully. Put the centre of the palm on top of your fontanelle bone are. Now press it hard by pushing your fingers outward. Please put down your head. And now move your scalp. Please press it hard press it hard . Push back your finger. Now move your scalp slowly seven times clock wise. Put down your head. Its better. Now sit comfortably. Neither bending nor too much stretching, but in a straight manner. Now put the left hand towards me on your lap. And close your eyes, take out your spectacles. Till I tell you please do not open your eyes. Now please put your right hand on your heart. Here you have to ask me a fundamental question. You can call me Mother or Shri Mataji. And you have to ask three times. “Mother am I the spirit”; If you are the spirit you are the light and you are the guide. So you become your own master. Now please take your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen. Now here you have to say, three times; “Mother am I my own master”. Now I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it in your freedom. So now please put your left hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and ask me six times because this centre has got six petals; “Mother please give me pure knowledge”. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen and to open this centre please say ten times “Mother I am my own master”. You should know that you are not this body. You are not this mind. You are not this ego or conditioning. But you are the pure spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart and say with full confidence “Mother I am the spirit”, say it twelve times. Now you have to know that all pervading power of love is the ocean of knowledge. It is the ocean of joy. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So whatever mistakes you commit, this power of forgiveness can dissolve it. So now raise your hand in corner of your neck and shoulder and put your head toward right. Here you say with full confidence sixteen times “Mother I am not guilty at all”. I have already told you that you forgive or you don't forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into wrong hand. So now please place your right hand on top of your forehead and hold your temples with your finger and with your thumb. Now please put down your head. Here you have to say with full confidence “Mother I forgive everyone”. From your heart you have to say not how many times. Now please put your hand on back side of your head and put your head backward. Here you have to say “Oh divine power please forgive me if I have done anything wrong”. Now spread your palm and put the centre of palm on top of your head. And now start moving your scalp seven times saying “Mother give me my self realisation”. Now take down your hand. Now please put your left hand towards me and also right hand. Now bend your head and see if there is cool breeze coming out of your head. Now put the left hand towards me and see with the right hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now put your right hand towards me and see if there is a cool breeze. Already there is so much breeze has already has started to stop the rain. Put your hand up like this and ask the question “is this the cool breeze of the holy ghost” and three times ask this question. Now you will feel some coolness on your hand. Now please put down your hands. All those who have felt the relaxation and cool breeze from their head or on their hands, please raise raise your hands. Raise both your hands. Now wonder this breeze is blowing because it was so hot. It was very hot when I came here and now it has become very nice. Now please look after your self-realisation. I am sorry I have to go because I have to catch the plane.

Public Program Day 2 [NOTE - 26.53-lectures starts followed by bhajan] Yesterday I told you that we cannot know the truth at our human awareness. You have to become the spirit. You become the spirit. You are in contact with the all pervading power of love. And then only you can know the absolute truth. This is the power of God’s love. We have not used the power of love before. We have only used the power of hatred. Now there are so many seekers of truth in this world. In the beginning in the ancient times there were very few. Once you all get your self realization this energy of power of lover will start flowing through you. It will nourish you, it will cure you and take you beyond all mental ideas about reality. This power is within you which is called as kundalini in triangular bone. It is in the sacrum bone that means the Greeks knew that it is sacred bone. This power all of you have got. It is the germinating power within us. And when it is awakened it passes through six subtle centres and pierces through your fontanelle bone area. Though the seed of the spirit is fontanelle bone area, spirit itself resides in your heart. All this mechanism is within you. You are already built in that way. Like a small seed, all the maps of all the trees, you have this power within you. Though it is a living process, process of evolution; as you have become human being you have to become spirit spontaneously. Sahaja , saha means with , ja is born. Yoga means the union with this all pervading divine power. So every human being has a right to become united with this all pervading power. Hatha yoga, they have asked this question; ha – tha are two nadis, two side nadis. Ha is the sun line (right) and tha is the moon line (left). That means you have to deal with the psyche as well as you somatic side. Somatic right side. And the book of patanjali is so thick like that, so much, but what today they are teaching you are these exercises which is very v-bit, v-bit of that eight fold patanjali yoga. Also it is also indiscriminate. Because we also use the exercises whenever it is needed, whatever chakras whatever centres it is needed. But if you just do all these exercises you can become a very dry person. What we call that you become a right sided person. Such a person is very extremely irritable and hot tempered. So it is an some sort of artificial yoga. One has to be very careful. We got three patients who suffered because of hatha yoga. Then there is kriya yoga, all these yoga also artificial. Sahaja yoga is a-kriyayoga means nothing is to be done spontaneous. Automatically all the instruments starts working it out. You don’t have to do it from outside, artificially. In Los Angeles they the cut the thread of the tongue of the people to push the tongue back to raise the kundalini, which is nonsense. In ancient times they used to clean the centres for many lives also. From one life to another. Now I have discovered a new method in 1970. Where only few threads of kundalini rise piercing through, and pierce through your fontanelle bone area which and then you get slightly connected. But so many get in a big way. In that little light you can say whats wrong with you. For eg. you are holding on to a snake in the darkness and if I tell you that its a snake you may not agree with me. But if there is little light you will immediately see and throw away. Thats what happens to you when your kundalini rises and pierces through your fontanelle bone area. I have seen people giving up drugs, smoking, alcohol overnight. Now when the kundalini rises she nourishes all the centres. Because of that you get cured of all the physical problem. And also you get rid of your mental problems. It enlightens your brain. You become extremely intelligent and also very dynamic. It enlightens your heart so you become extremely compassionate. And you get empowered that you can raise the kundalini of others and give realisation to others. Somebody has asked me how to protect the psychologist from getting caught up from their patients. In sahaja yoga you learn how to protect yourself. First you become thoughtlessly aware. When the kundalini crosses this centre. Then when it is established you become what we call as doubtlessly aware. At this stage you can give realisaton to others. And you become absolutely self confident. Also you feel this cool breeze of the all pervading power all the time. And you are surprised how you are looked after by this power. Life becomes full of miracles. They have asked me about christianity and Christ. I believe in christ of course and without him we cannot give you realisation. We will tell you where christ resides within us. But I do not believe in christianity. Not because christianity came to India with a gun in one hand and bible in another hand. They went to America and killed all the people who were there. Even in Argentina and chile you cannot find one aboriginal. Thank God Columbus did not come to India , by chance he went there. Otherwise I would not have been here. All this christians (missionaries) would have killed us completely. It is all money oriented organisaton. And the power oriented. It is not spirit oriented. Christ has said that you will be calling me christ christ I wouldn't recognise you. And these people are the christians . Because they are not following christ, they are following Paul. Paul was not anyway near christ. I was born in a christian family myself. I asked my father in my childhood who is this Paul. My father was a realised soul. He told me this one has just come very nicely and settled down. He killed so many christians, he killed also St. Steven. And he found that it was good platform to get a name so he just became a great leader. And he was a epileptic that means he was possessed, collecting money. Christ has said that you have to be born again. But they take false certificate that we are born again. By saying we are born again you do not become. You have to have selfrealisation. By giving false baptism you do not become a christian. You have to have an actualisation of realisation, actualisation of baptism. That is why christ has also said that those who are not against me are with me. We should find out who are those. But in christian religion they put blinkers, you can't see here or there. Also they frighten you and say that you are sinners and you must pay for it. But God does not know money. Christ has died for our sins. He has already suffered for us. What more can we suffer. But they want to show christ as a person hanging on the cross all the time, show him so miserable. But if you see the sixteen chapel where Michael Angelo, was realised soul, he showed christ as a large personality with a big stomach and all. All that sixteen chapel is this todays what you call the last judgement. The message of christ is resurrection. And not suffering. We have christ on our Agnya chakra on the optic chiasma where the two nerves cross to go to two eyes. Christ has said though shall not have adulterous eyes. How many christians there are who have no lust or greed in their eyes. Christ is the eternal child of innocence. They had the father God and the son God, but no mother. In the christianity they have avoided the women completely. In all other scriptures, other religion they accept the primordial mother. Even the mother of christ was a goddess. She is the one who gave realisation to this twelve disciples of christ, eleven disciple. But they do not want to talk about it. They don't even allow women to be the priest. But its not true. This centre if you have to open you have to forgive. What christ has given us is the greates weapon , to forgive everyone. Even when on the cross he said, he said that all those who were crucifying him should be forgiven, he prayed to God. So those people, who are following, supposed to be following are not only forgiving but they are so aggressive, they are so horrid. they are so immoral. Christ went to a wedding and made the water into wine. It was the grape juice, not the alcohol. One can do it even with vibrations. But how can it be alcohol because alcohol has to rot for one month. Otherwise it doesn't become alcohol. So all false idea has been generated. Without connection to christ no use praying to him. They are distributing bible, they are distributing geeta, all this books; by having this bookish knowledge are we going to rise higher. It is the prescription given to you. If you are go on reading the prescription, you will get more headache. You have to take the medicine, you have to get your realisation. Without christ we cannot do sahaja yoga but all the prophets, and all the incarnation play a part. They are all within ourselves. Today a muslim lady came. She had a pain in the stomach and her kundalini would not rise. She told that she was muslim. So I asked her to ask muhammad sahab if this is the resurrection time he was telling about. She asked thrice and her kundalini rose and she felt alright. Because muhammad sahab has said when resurrection time will come your hands will speak. That happens in sahaja yoga. But what are the muslims doing, just fighting with each other, cutting everybody's throat. Same with hindu. It is said that in everybody resides the spirit. So how can you have caste system. In every religion whether it is buddhism, jainism, sikhism; all are isms. You ask a jew and he will tell against the christian. And will tell against the muslims. And muslims will tell against the jews. All of them are blind and ignorant. There are no where near God. Now we have 40 nations doing sahaja yoga. And all of them belong to all religion. The jews, hindus, muslims all respect christ. They also worship muhammad and they also worship shri krishna. Because they are all born on the same tree of spirituality. But people like Paul have taken away the flowers, plucked them and now they are fighting with the dead flower. Sahaja yogis are universally are in a pure religion. It is an innate religion. You become automatically righteous and compassionate. Yesterday many people got their realisation. Some did not get perhaps their physical mental problems. But today I hope all of you will get your realisation. And as honest people you must take to reality and not to nonsense. You have to respect your realisation. And you have to grow in collectivity. It is the growth only in collectivity not individually. If somebody says I can do it at home, he cannot. Because you become part and parcel of the whole. The microcosm becomes macrocosm. Now supposing if I cut my nail it will never grow. I had told you that I will tell you about the spirit. Spirit is the collective being within us. It is the reflection of God almighty in our heart. And kundalini is the reflection of the primordial mother, the holy ghost. Which is the pure desire. The spirit is source of peace. It is the source of absolute knowledge. When it starts manifesting on central nervous system, you feel cool breeze. You become like a divine computer. And then you can feel it about everyone, their chakras and yours too. If you know how to correct them, you can cure others, you can cure yourself. You can find about anyone of anything with your vibrations. Your attention becomes enlightened with the light of spirit, your eyes becomes innocent, and wherever you pay attention this attention acts for the benevolence. Spirit gives us total balance and total benevolence. It is the source of joy. And when joy is manifesting there is no duality of happiness and unhappiness. I hope Bulgaria will become a very powerful spiritual country. They have asked me about asthma and all these diseases are absolutely curable, even caner. But you have to come to the centre. The best is to get your self realisation established. So there is no more diseases for you. And you can cure others. No use curing one disease like that. I am sorry I have to go today by plane to Turkey. But I will give you your realisation. I will come next year now. I travel a lot. I am always with you. So you should have no more fear, no more depression, nothing can torture you, trouble you or dominate you. So now we will have self-realisation meditation. I have already told you that I cannot force self-realisation on you. It has to be accepted, asked for, desired for in your glory of freedom. I would request you to take out your shoes. You will have all the knowledge about sahaja yoga absolutely free in your centre. Today we have here some English, some French, some Italians who come to help you; and also Greek. But specially the Swiss. They have taken a great interest in you and they will be coming off and on. Now we have to know that we have two powers, one is the power of desire or ordinary desire and another is the power of action. So now please put your left hand towards me and both the feet apart from each other because these are two powers. And we have to use the right hand for nourishing our centres on the left hand side which he will show you. Now there are two conditions which you will have to fulfill. The first condition is that you have to forget the past means that you should know that you are not guilty not at all. Those who tell you you are sinners are themselves sinners. After all you are human being. Human beings can only make mistakes. You are not Gods. So please don't feel guilty at all. On the contrary you should be very pleasantly placed towards yourselves. The second condition is that you have to forgive everyone. Whether you forgive or don't forgive you don't do any thing. But if you do not forgive then you play in the wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing at all. And those whom you do not forgive are enjoying life. If you do not forgive the centre here is closed like this. But if you forgive it will open like that and then kundalini can go. If you feel guilty then this centre catches here, between the shoulder and the neck, here, on this side and kundalini cannot pass through. But you get diseases like spondylitis, angina. While forgiving you do not have to think of individual, in general you have to say I forgive everyone. Don't fight with your thoughts. You will automatically become thoughtlessly aware. So now we will first tell you how you nourish your centre and then we raise the kundalini. Those who are sitting on the chair have to put both the feet apart from each other. And those who are sitting on the ground are alright as they are. They should sit in very, we say sahaja asana means absolutely spread out; with folded leg if possible for a short time. Now, please put the left hand towards me like this. You can keep it on your lap. Now, this symbolises that you want your self-realisation. Now you put your right hand on your heart where resides the spirit. Now you put your hand on the upper portion of the abdomen. This is the centre of your mastery. This is created by all prophets and all the great masters. Now please take your right hand in the lower portion of your abdomen. This is the centre of pure knowledge which manifests on your central nervous system. All whatever we get out of evolutionary process manifest on central nervous system. Now we raise our hand again on the upper portion of the abdomen. Then raise your hand on your heart. Now you have to take your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and turn your head toward right. Now take your hand on tope of your forehead and put your small finger and thumb on two temples. And now hold your head properly with three fingers and put it down, put it down. This is the centre where you have to forgive everyone. Now you have to take your hand back side of your head. And push back your head as far as possible. This is the centre where you have to ask forgiveness from the all pervading power of love; without feeling guilty, without counting your mistake for your own satisfaction. Now stretch your palm fully. Put the centre of the palm on top of your fontanelle bone are. Now press it hard by pushing your fingers outward. Please put down your head. And now move your scalp. Please press it hard press it hard . Push back your finger. Now move your scalp slowly seven times clock wise. Put down your head. Its better. Now sit comfortably. Neither bending nor too much stretching, but in a straight manner. Now put the left hand towards me on your lap. And close your eyes, take out your spectacles. Till I tell you please do not open your eyes. Now please put your right hand on your heart. Here you have to ask me a fundamental question. You can call me Mother or Shri Mataji. And you have to ask three times. “Mother am I the spirit”; If you are the spirit you are the light and you are the guide. So you become your own master. Now please take your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen. Now here you have to say, three times; “Mother am I my own master”. Now I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it in your freedom. So now please put your left hand in the lower portion of your abdomen and ask me six times because this centre has got six petals; “Mother please give me pure knowledge”. So now raise your right hand in the upper portion of the abdomen and to open this centre please say ten times “Mother I am my own master”. You should know that you are not this body. You are not this mind. You are not this ego or conditioning. But you are the pure spirit. So now raise your right hand on your heart and say with full confidence “Mother I am the spirit”, say it twelve times. Now you have to know that all pervading power of love is the ocean of knowledge. It is the ocean of joy. But above all it is the ocean of forgiveness. So whatever mistakes you commit, this power of forgiveness can dissolve it. So now raise your hand in corner of your neck and shoulder and put your head toward right. Here you say with full confidence sixteen times “Mother I am not guilty at all”. I have already told you that you forgive or you don't forgive, you don't do anything. But if you don't forgive you play into wrong hand. So now please place your right hand on top of your forehead and hold your temples with your finger and with your thumb. Now please put down your head. Here you have to say with full confidence “Mother I forgive everyone”. From your heart you have to say not how many times. Now please put your hand on back side of your head and put your head backward. Here you have to say “Oh divine power please forgive me if I have done anything wrong”. Now spread your palm and put the centre of palm on top of your head. And now start moving your scalp seven times saying “Mother give me my self realisation”. Now take down your hand. Now please put your left hand towards me and also right hand. Now bend your head and see if there is cool breeze coming out of your head. Now put the left hand towards me and see with the right hand if there is a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now put your right hand towards me and see if there is a cool breeze. Already there is so much breeze has already has started to stop the rain. Put your hand up like this and ask the question “is this the cool breeze of the holy ghost” and three times ask this question. Now you will feel some coolness on your hand. Now please put down your hands. All those who have felt the relaxation and cool breeze from their head or on their hands, please raise raise your hands. Raise both your hands. Now wonder this breeze is blowing because it was so hot. It was very hot when I came here and now it has become very nice. Now please look after your self-realisation. I am sorry I have to go because I have to catch the plane.

8/1/1990

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Felicitation On Occasion Of Sir C.P. Knighthood

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TRANSCRIPT OF FELICITATION ON OCCASION OF SIR C.P. KNIGHTHOOD, AUG 1, 1990, PUNE Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/2-line recital in Sanskrit]. When I have the holy darshan of our beloved Her Holiness, Shri Mataji, and Doctor C.P. Srivastava, I remember the lines of [UNCLEAR/Padma?] that the Parvati and the Parameshwara were one. Like the [UNCLEAR]. And I find words of [UNCLEAR] true. Because both are supporting each other, and both are working with each other. So we [UNCLEAR] to both, Shri Mataji and Doctor C.P. and this august audience. Welcome. [Sahaja Yogis perform a welcome song]. [Refrain] Atha Swagatham, Shubha Swagatham [x3] (An auspicious welcome to the guests) Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] (Filled with joy and well-being) Nith Priya Bharathi Bharatham [x2] (Forever the beloved land of Bharat) Atha Swagatham, Shubha Swagatham [x3] [Verse] [Nitya Nirantara Prem Bahe, Nirmal Maa Karunamayi ] [x2] (Your Love flows continually, Oh Compassionate Mother Nirmala) Swargalok Ka Dekar Amrut, Kar Diya Maa Sabko Pavan [x2] (By giving the ambrosia of Heaven, you have purified everyone) Shashwath Suvijhith Athi Shubham [X2] Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] Nith Priya Bharatha Bharatham [x2] [Refrain] [Verse] Srivastavaji Bade Purush, Manavtake Bade Suroor [x2] (Sir C.P. is a great man, He is passionate about humanity) Shanti Maitri Ka Diya Sandesh, Jyot Diye Jagbhar Mein Tej [x2] (He has given the message of peace and friendship, his light has enlightened the world) Sankalp Avijith Abhimath [x2] Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] [Refrain]. Yogi Mahajan: [UNCLEAR] that such an honour has been bestowed upon me. It is, a singular achievement through constant hard work, endeavour, perseverance which immortalises us. And it is for this great honour that [UNCLEAR] us individuals. And which shines on us individuals, gives us inspiration that we may also endeavour and rise to their level. They are forebearers for us and show us the way. The human history is not to be remembered for the conquests of great kings, but for the great message of peace, which great saints and sages have brought forth to us. And if we travel in this great country, we have such great [UNCLEAR/visionaries] who have lit the path for us. In the twentieth century, it was Mahatma Gandhi, followed by his disciple, the late Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri. And today we have with us, Sir. C.P. Srivastava, who is the luminary for this age and from whom we draw great inspiration to lead us the way and show us the path. His achievements have been many in his very distinguished and chequered career. And I request Shri Bahari Khosla to felicitate him and our distinguished guests who will throw light on his various aspects and achievements. Mr Bahari Khosla. Shri Bahari Khosla. Shri Khosla: Honourable Shri Srivastava, my beloved Mother, [UNCLEAR/name of person], Shri H.K. Garodia, President, Maratha Chamber of Commerce Industries, my respected [UNCLEAR/name of person], my dear brothers and sisters. It is indeed a great day for all of us today, that we have one of the greatest distinguished personality through his hard work and zeal [UNCLEAR], for the past forty years. [UNCLEAR]. Earlier they had given this to Ronald Reagan, the President of the United States. I was introduced to Sir C.P. Srivastava through my friend, loving, affectionate Mother, Her Holiness Shri Mataji when I was in London in 1983. But I met him [break in recording]. [When recording resumes Sir C.P. has already started addressing the audience]. Sir C.P. Srivatasva: …”Why do you want to go abroad? To travel around and [UNCLEAR]. That is not for us”. If I had not [UNCLEAR], I would not have been standing here and that I would GET the opportunity to serve my country – at the district level, at the state level, at the government enterprise-level and finally, at the international level. I have been with this United Nations Maritime Organisation which I have had the privilege of serving for four terms or sixteen years. You know in the United Nations, there is a chain of inter-governmental, international organisations. Each one has its own purpose. The main U.N. is political – peace and war, as you know. On the other hand, there are [UNCLEAR/ten] organisations – the Labour Organisation is one, the International Immigration Organisation is one and so on. And one of these ten is the International Maritime Organisation. The Secretary-General of these organisations is elected by the member states. And there are eight hundred and thirty-four states, members for that organisation. And when it goes for elections, this organisation asks member states to suggest names of suitable persons. When the post came up in 1973, my name was proposed by the Government of India. I am eternally grateful to my country. I am eternally grateful to the government of my country for so many things. But there on this occasion, we send the candidature of this person. And I was duly elected. But when the first term expired, all members unanimously decided for an extension, to re-elect me. [UNCLEAR]. They said you have to continue. And then came the third term. They again elected me unanimously. And then came the fourth term. They again elected me unanimously. Mind you, unanimously by countries all round, developed countries, north, south, east, west, Soviet Union, America, China, France, again all countries. When it was time for the fourth term to end, I took the precaution of writing to the council of the Organisation, saying, “I am really grateful, you have given me this chance for sixteen years. Now I want to retire. And I am firm.” But again, as usual, they said no. I said, “Now I am seventy. How long will I go on?”. They said, “What is the matter? Is your health poor?”. I said, “No, I am fine. But when I retire, I want to go back to my country. I have been away for so long. There is something to be done there. I want to go back.” And eventually, they agreed. So that is how my fourth term came to an end. Now, why did the government appreciate my work? I was kindly informed, or [UNCLEAR] kindly informed me; I want to assure you, it was not monetary, or [UNCLEAR]. All I did for sixteen years was to serve the organisation, with total commitment and dedication to promoting the activities of that organisation. Now, a United Nations body is not a state, a responsible state. It has no powers to enforce anything. The only power a world body has is its moral authority. The moral authority vested in it by several governments. And what I did was to [UNCLEAR/serve] that organisation. And the role there is to bring all maritime nations, one hundred and thirty-four together at the forum [UNCLEAR] and try to promote co-operation from all the countries. Try to bring them round to a common point of view. So that the world should have safety, efficiency, accountability and some [UNCLEAR]. And it is a mighty task. You know, a tanker is half a million tons. One tanker would be twenty times the size of this building, perhaps. There are containers which are bulk carried. And each one of them is at least [UNCLEAR]. And my role as Secretary-General was to see [UNCLEAR/how they communicate together], across industries together. And by the spirit of goodwill, communication, to listen to each other. To come to a consensus. And we developed twenty different treaties, diplomatic treaties on these tankers. Always by consensus. I do not believe in fighting and the United Nations system must not divide at all. The United Nations means United Nations. So if we people are accomplishing certain work, if we divide the body between developed and developing, between north and south, east and west, it would be no good to the cells of the body. That is my philosophy and possibly, it coincides with the philosophy of the member states. The said, yes, that is how it should be. I have travelled a long [UNCLEAR/time]. I have been to many countries all over the world. And believe me, again, not one country said that they wanted [UNCLEAR]. And I have therefore seen the world at its best. And in this task, I was helped by the International Maritime team. Of course, you know, someone in Australia or Japan when he thinks of IMO, he thinks of the Secretary-General. And he thinks of, oh that Indian, the tall Indian. Not Mr Srivastava, my name is terrible, how can they remember; but they would remember an Indian. And that was my pride. An Indian serving the world, but as a true Indian. And what is a true Indian? A true Indian who believes in India’s philosophy. And India’s philosophy is peace on earth, goodwill for all nations. And that was my [UNCLEAR]. And fortunately, all the leaders accepted my sincerity, my dedication and they listened to me. Not because I was Secretary-General, but because I was a person in whose integrity, objectivity, spiritual service, they agreed. If you are very sincere, you cannot have a posture. You can advance for one year, two years, but you will be soon found out. You have to be totally sincere. And that is how the organisation functioned for sixteen years. Normally as with any system, there are problems [UNCLEAR]. There is all these hostilities between developed countries, under-developed countries, between the Soviet bloc, other blocs, so on. You cannot move. That is why you need the wisdom not to get [UNCLEAR]. But if I know, I generated a new phrase, where I said, I want families of the United Nations here. [UNCLEAR]. Which is understandable for Indians. But if you go to a United Nations body and say the word family, the best they will understand is [UNCLEAR]. So initially [UNCLEAR]. The IMO countries, they accepted. So the family of nations they accepted. And so the family of nations within ourselves. And this background I wanted to explain why so many governments of the world and the United Nations particularly, they decided to bestow upon me, a very high honour. The U.K. as you know has very high standards of the government. And of course, to their own nationals, they give a few knighthoods each year on the Queen’s birthday. But to a non-British, it is very rare. [UNCLEAR]. If they find something extraordinary and it is my, I am greatly [UNCLEAR/indebted] to Her Majesty, the Queen of the United Kingdom that she evaluated, of course, the recommendations come from the government – that my service to the United Nations International Maritime Organisation was worthy to deserve recognition. That is how I was the recipient of the knighthood. [Applause]. But, [UNCLEAR] other countries have given this honour to me. The King of Norway, of Sweden, the government of Germany, Brazil, Panama, I can go on with many others, but I won’t. But they all, the fact I want to suggest is, these awards are all not just because of my work, my achievements or my goodness. They came because of the goodness of these countries. The ideals of these countries. Panama, faraway Brazil, the world honouring an Indian. It is their greatness, their goodness which is exhibited by the appreciation of my work. So I am very humbled about it, I am most grateful. I assure you I have seen the very best of the world. I have seen human beings at their best. And I travelled all over the world, I am convinced that human beings everywhere are marvellous. It is the divisions which are created by vested interests which are responsible for all the problems. Anyway as far as I have served, now I can come back here. And I am very honoured to be in Pune. After I come back, I want to do whatever I can in my humble way, to continue with whatever service I can render. [UNCLEAR]. I have mentioned that is not my way. [UNCLEAR]. Now, back to Maharashtra, means again the same situation here. Patriotism [UNCLEAR]. And I have great support from my dear wife, who is here. When I began, She helped me in every step of the way. She helped me. She has been a wonderful wife, a great mother, a great grandmother. My grandchildren are here, coming to live with me. And She is also now, a world spiritual leader. Sometimes I meet Sahaja Yogis in other parts of the world. And when I see them, I am amazed by them, absolutely amazed. The kind of transformation that takes place, in the British, the French, Germans, Italian. They become pure, chaste, good brothers. And I would just be [UNCLEAR] pure, chaste, good Maharashtrians. Because when they come to India, they are happy in Maharashtra. Because they find Maharashtra so conducive with their own thinking. And I tell you this – I have served the world for more than forty years. I cannot honestly claim that I have transformed any single individual to that extent. They give up drugs, they give up alcoholism, they give up all kinds of modern cultures and lifestyles. They become true, truly sadhakas. Now if I could transform one organisation, She has transformed thousands. Actually transformed. And when people say, what is a miracle? I say, “This is the miracle. Everyone is a [UNCLEAR/saint]”. And She recently travelled to the Soviet Union. You do not know because of She [UNCLEAR/refugee there]. And people there are so anxious, much more than other Western countries. When She went, usually, when She [UNCLEAR], there is a gathering of about a thousand people, very good gatherings. In a very few, about fifteen hundred. In the Soviet Union, She got twenty thousand. Like a stadium almost. And why? Because they are anxious to get spiritual. They are not limited by any doctrines – like the communist doctrine or, communism [UNCLEAR]. They are ready and they had gathered around Her [UNCLEAR/and they value Her very much]. [UNCLEAR/popular] and She is being pulled around all over the world. She went to Russia, Romania, [UNCLEAR], Poland, GDR, everywhere. But still [UNCLEAR], to help me also in India. [Laughter and applause]. I have taken lots of time, but I want to assure you what a privilege it is to be here this evening. To get this honour, is a great honour, from Pune. It is a very great honour. And the honour goes down to my [UNCLEAR], because, obviously I love Maharashtra. I love its culture, its music, its people. And when I have permission to come back to Pune, I will get to stay here. That is my biggest achievement. And I am therefore I am feeling myself to be specially privileged, to be back here, to live here and to try to emulate [UNCLEAR]. And I have one request to make to you all. I am very excited about it. And the only point which worries me about Maharashtra, is the fact, that we do not stress that we are Indian first. And that is something which should be taken up. And Pune should provide the lead. You provided the lead during the Independence movement. Why not take the lead to create an Indian nation? You take the lead in [UNCLEAR], everything. What I would love to see is that there a movement initiated from here, to create an Indian nation. [UNCLEAR]. Pune would take the lead in creating an Indian nation. And that is my [UNCLEAR/dream/wish] in the pursuit of excellence. An Indian nation. I want to thank you very much. (In Marathi): I am not fluent in Marathi. [Applause]. I thank all the dignitaries of Pune for honouring me and Shri Mataji. Thank you so much. [Applause]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. I never expected in that Pune there would be such a reception for Doctor Srivastava. It is a great surprise to Me. And you know in Sahaja Yoga we have been working in Pune since a long time. And I have always been wanting to come here, to stay here, live here. This is such a great thing, such a beautiful thing. He had thirty-one major awards. Some of them are for such an achievement, which is only worn by the king. And all these awards he got; nobody, if you ask any other Secretary-General. Nobody has got. Now when the Secretary of State, Mr Parkinson, was asked to say, in the dinner specially held for him in the Lancaster House, which is a famous house in [UNCLEAR]. And only three days before that they had an [UNCLEAR/meeting of presidents] there. Sir. C.P. Srivastava: Mathewson(?). Shri Mataji: Mathewson. [UNCLEAR] was there. I mean, all the important things are done there. You see, they are very particular about it. He got up and he said, “I had heard legends Madison. But in my lifetime, I never imagined I would meet one. [UNCLEAR]. Believe me. [Applause]. And he went on, about how telling how he got his awards, but I cannot believe that such a person exists. I have not heard of anyone in the world who has got so many awards from so many countries. She did not say anything, but somebody told her Mr Reagan had got this award. Because people have got otherwise, naturally, but they are limited. And this is the highest of all, highest award. Honorary; highest award someone can get. Now, this we must think about this. Because of My background – my father, mother were fighters for freedom. My father was in jail for quite some time. My mother was in jail five times. And I was would be unhappy [UNCLEAR/seeing] them like that. I also had been fighting for the freedom of this country. And I was quite tortured also. And then I heard these Britishers suddenly, imagine, to praise an Indian. I also remembered one thing. That once, Jhansi Ki Rani, she lost the battle. And a soldier, an Englishman who was fighting her, the general, he said, “We have won, but the glory goes to Jhansi Ki Rani”. The same thing, I will tell you, it is the same thing. That, to appreciate, to be enamoured by somebody’s work is so important. Because that makes the whole nation awaken to an ideal. This is what I feel. Now, are we working like that? Are we being like that? In our country, we have had great people also. I think the great blessings of the Divine. We can take many names. [UNCLEAR]. We have had many great people. Their lives [UNCLEAR]. But after that what I find is, after that people do not follow them. They put their photograph, but nobody tries to follow them. Somehow or other, their lives do not penetrate in our being. This is what they achieve there with this kind of thing. They publicise, say things in such a manner. Even her [UNCLEAR/daughter] she said, “Mrs Srivastava, I cannot believe such a man lives on this earth”. Just imagine, to talk like that about someone. And all this made Me feel, that we lack in appreciation. That is one thing; we are not so appreciative of somebody who works. Who dedicates his life. Even Mahatma Gandhi’s film was made by a Britisher, on his life. Can you imagine? A Britisher should make a film on Mahatma Gandhi and our film industry, such a great film industry all over the world, they made no film on Mahatma Gandhi. If the Britishers could make it, this appreciation of an international figure – anybody it could be, whatever caste is anything – that is something very surprising about the Britishers. And that is what makes the ideal of UK, it is so important. They [UNCLEAR/know what matters] and they are asking what is the concern. So, I thought that if just Indians could be like that if Indians could just be like that, I tell you. And that means everyone. If there is an industrialist who is working very hard, giving to the industry, doing so much for the country, doing this thing, that thing – and somebody goes and asks him [UNCLEAR/ a favour]. If he does not do the favour, they will say, he is such a bad man, cut his throat also, as if he is a [UNCLEAR]. Officers also. If any officer is good, you tell him what a good officer he is. Immediately others will [UNCLEAR]. I mean, I am your Mother, I will tell you the truth. And I think that if we can turn this. That if somebody has got some qualities, then we must appreciate and we must try to imbibe them. This is one thing lacking in us. I do not know why. But when I was young, I saw people appreciated each other very much. When my father was there and everyone else, all those people who were sacrificing so much for the country. They were a very different type of people. Everybody knew about everyone and the way they used to appreciate them, imbibe their qualities. Also, I would say, my husband’s bosses, who were I.C.S. (Indian Civil Service) at those times. I mean I did not think much of them, to begin with. But then I discovered that they too had these qualities. I remember one, Mr Bhagwant Rai who was his boss. And he used to paint very well. So I said, “Sir, I find these paintings are so good. [UNCLEAR/born with it]”. He said, “Mrs Srivastava I wish if I could work even one-tenth of your husband, I would be very proud of myself”. Such people. You see, and there was another one who used to bring [UNCLEAR] and then somebody told C.P. if you take a year you would be better off. He said, “[UNCLEAR], I also thought the same thing, but you better not”. I would see them always telling something that would be benevolent. Another one also, that (in Hindi to Sir C.P.) was it Guptaji who said that? Guptaji was another boss of his. One day [UNCLEAR] said, “Why don’t you drink? Why don’t you drink? You should also become like us and join us”. He said, “I wish I could also be sober”. See, so, they could always see good, they could always put that higher, always appreciate. Such a thing to be said about anybody is, you see, makes you understand. Also, I have seen Lal Bahadur Shastri when he was Prime Minister. He was a really trusted man, very much, all around the world. And he was always so kind, so nice, so very sweet to Me. And his style was that – one day he came to see Me and started asking Me, “How do you run your house? What is your priority in the house?.” I said, “Sir, why are you asking Me?”. He said, “Because you run your house very well. Your husband is very good at work and all that. What will he do without you?”. So, and [UNCLEAR/my brother] and he said, “That is what is needed”. And he was saying that. But how much he loved Mr Srivastava also is so remarkable. That one day he was down with some temperature or something. And Shastriji was going somewhere and lots of cars were with him. Suddenly he turned his own car, leaving everybody behind. You see, they had a big procession. And just came to our house. And all the police started finding – where has he gone, where has he disappeared, where has he gone? He just came alone. He said, “Mr Srivastava, apki tabiyat theek nahin, main milne chala aaya” (Mr Srivastava, you are not feeling well, I came to meet you). Such appreciation and understanding he had. But this is a sign of goodness. That is how you can become very great. Because you have people who will work for you, who will go all out to feel that they are up to their satisfaction. This is what we lack. I think we do not understand. It is very practical. Very practical. That those who are with you, who are working very hard, they should be all supported and helped. And they should be always understood. And this should be a practical thing. Our country will improve on this basis only. Now supposing there is a gentleman, who is working very hard, who is doing very well. Just praise him. Say he is doing well. Then somebody else is a doctor who is doing very well, say that he is doing so well. Instead of that we try pulling everyone’s leg and flinging mud at everyone without understanding. Even in the [UNCLEAR]. Why, I have seen it. Of course, I will say, journalism in [UNCLEAR], is of course, not so good. But if it comes to praising somebody, then they go all out. And they really impress people with the qualities of hardworking, honest, sincere, intelligent, brilliant personalities, that others try to do it. And this is what we have to try also in Sahaja Yoga. I do not know if we do it. And of course, Sahaja Yoga doors are open to everyone. Everybody can come, everybody can take a [UNCLEAR]. And I am [UNCLEAR] to my family’s support. That they have always allowed, always allowed Me to go all out to do this great work. And also not only that, they have borne a lot of nuisance in the house, in the family. Everybody comes into the house. People come in My room, they can all come just inside the bedrooms and anywhere. And without [UNCLEAR/saying], “Mother [UNCLEAR/ we are here for so and so]”. But otherwise, if anybody else does that, Mr Srivastava will correct, but not a Sahaja Yogi. And he will always say they are angels, Sahaja Yogis are angels. And he is always very kind to them, very nice to them. And he believes that if there are Sahaja Yogis, one day this world will be great. And of course, I have seen that. As we have created the United Nations, people have to become Sahaja Yogis so that they really unite. So this is a very [UNCLEAR] that way. And that too now, we are accepted by the United Nations. We are accepted by [UNCLEAR] as a religion and they have given us the highest position at the church. They call it an innate, a pure innate religion. And they have given us the highest [UNCLEAR]. In Russia, we are officially accepted. When I go there, [UNCLEAR/they are all there, at the plane] like a Prime Minister is visiting. So they have accepted officially, and everything is paid by official rate [UNCLEAR]. They look after Me just like, as if some great Prime Minister of some country has come. Very surprised how these people have accepted Sahaja Yoga so well. And at all levels. Educational level, [UNCLEAR] level, political level, governments, everywhere. They take My [UNCLEAR]. And it is very surprising, really. And I hope people should take to their spirituality and do some justice to what the great saints have done for them. And I am sure Maharashtra will have to do its bit to do that work. May God Bless You. [Applause]. Sahaja Yogi: And to all the great men of this era, thank you very much. And Sir C.P. we really forward to your coming to India and the great role that you are going to play in the near future in the country and turning the future of this country. We again look forward to your early coming to India. And now, I request Shri Rajesh Shah to offer a small token of our appreciation to Sir C.P. [Applause]. [Sir C.P. opens the gift a commemorative silver plate]. Sahaja Yogi: I would request Jose Antonio to offer a small gift for Shri Mataji. [Jose Antonio offers the gift]. Shri Mataji: For Me? For Me? [Applause and end of recording].

TRANSCRIPT OF FELICITATION ON OCCASION OF SIR C.P. KNIGHTHOOD, AUG 1, 1990, PUNE Sahaja Yogi: [UNCLEAR/2-line recital in Sanskrit]. When I have the holy darshan of our beloved Her Holiness, Shri Mataji, and Doctor C.P. Srivastava, I remember the lines of [UNCLEAR/Padma?] that the Parvati and the Parameshwara were one. Like the [UNCLEAR]. And I find words of [UNCLEAR] true. Because both are supporting each other, and both are working with each other. So we [UNCLEAR] to both, Shri Mataji and Doctor C.P. and this august audience. Welcome. [Sahaja Yogis perform a welcome song]. [Refrain] Atha Swagatham, Shubha Swagatham [x3] (An auspicious welcome to the guests) Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] (Filled with joy and well-being) Nith Priya Bharathi Bharatham [x2] (Forever the beloved land of Bharat) Atha Swagatham, Shubha Swagatham [x3] [Verse] [Nitya Nirantara Prem Bahe, Nirmal Maa Karunamayi ] [x2] (Your Love flows continually, Oh Compassionate Mother Nirmala) Swargalok Ka Dekar Amrut, Kar Diya Maa Sabko Pavan [x2] (By giving the ambrosia of Heaven, you have purified everyone) Shashwath Suvijhith Athi Shubham [X2] Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] Nith Priya Bharatha Bharatham [x2] [Refrain] [Verse] Srivastavaji Bade Purush, Manavtake Bade Suroor [x2] (Sir C.P. is a great man, He is passionate about humanity) Shanti Maitri Ka Diya Sandesh, Jyot Diye Jagbhar Mein Tej [x2] (He has given the message of peace and friendship, his light has enlightened the world) Sankalp Avijith Abhimath [x2] Anandh Mangala Mangalam [x2] [Refrain]. Yogi Mahajan: [UNCLEAR] that such an honour has been bestowed upon me. It is, a singular achievement through constant hard work, endeavour, perseverance which immortalises us. And it is for this great honour that [UNCLEAR] us individuals. And which shines on us individuals, gives us inspiration that we may also endeavour and rise to their level. They are forebearers for us and show us the way. The human history is not to be remembered for the conquests of great kings, but for the great message of peace, which great saints and sages have brought forth to us. And if we travel in this great country, we have such great [UNCLEAR/visionaries] who have lit the path for us. In the twentieth century, it was Mahatma Gandhi, followed by his disciple, the late Prime Minister Lal Bahadur Shastri. And today we have with us, Sir. C.P. Srivastava, who is the luminary for this age and from whom we draw great inspiration to lead us the way and show us the path. His achievements have been many in his very distinguished and chequered career. And I request Shri Bahari Khosla to felicitate him and our distinguished guests who will throw light on his various aspects and achievements. Mr Bahari Khosla. Shri Bahari Khosla. Shri Khosla: Honourable Shri Srivastava, my beloved Mother, [UNCLEAR/name of person], Shri H.K. Garodia, President, Maratha Chamber of Commerce Industries, my respected [UNCLEAR/name of person], my dear brothers and sisters. It is indeed a great day for all of us today, that we have one of the greatest distinguished personality through his hard work and zeal [UNCLEAR], for the past forty years. [UNCLEAR]. Earlier they had given this to Ronald Reagan, the President of the United States. I was introduced to Sir C.P. Srivastava through my friend, loving, affectionate Mother, Her Holiness Shri Mataji when I was in London in 1983. But I met him [break in recording]. [When recording resumes Sir C.P. has already started addressing the audience]. Sir C.P. Srivatasva: …”Why do you want to go abroad? To travel around and [UNCLEAR]. That is not for us”. If I had not [UNCLEAR], I would not have been standing here and that I would GET the opportunity to serve my country – at the district level, at the state level, at the government enterprise-level and finally, at the international level. I have been with this United Nations Maritime Organisation which I have had the privilege of serving for four terms or sixteen years. You know in the United Nations, there is a chain of inter-governmental, international organisations. Each one has its own purpose. The main U.N. is political – peace and war, as you know. On the other hand, there are [UNCLEAR/ten] organisations – the Labour Organisation is one, the International Immigration Organisation is one and so on. And one of these ten is the International Maritime Organisation. The Secretary-General of these organisations is elected by the member states. And there are eight hundred and thirty-four states, members for that organisation. And when it goes for elections, this organisation asks member states to suggest names of suitable persons. When the post came up in 1973, my name was proposed by the Government of India. I am eternally grateful to my country. I am eternally grateful to the government of my country for so many things. But there on this occasion, we send the candidature of this person. And I was duly elected. But when the first term expired, all members unanimously decided for an extension, to re-elect me. [UNCLEAR]. They said you have to continue. And then came the third term. They again elected me unanimously. And then came the fourth term. They again elected me unanimously. Mind you, unanimously by countries all round, developed countries, north, south, east, west, Soviet Union, America, China, France, again all countries. When it was time for the fourth term to end, I took the precaution of writing to the council of the Organisation, saying, “I am really grateful, you have given me this chance for sixteen years. Now I want to retire. And I am firm.” But again, as usual, they said no. I said, “Now I am seventy. How long will I go on?”. They said, “What is the matter? Is your health poor?”. I said, “No, I am fine. But when I retire, I want to go back to my country. I have been away for so long. There is something to be done there. I want to go back.” And eventually, they agreed. So that is how my fourth term came to an end. Now, why did the government appreciate my work? I was kindly informed, or [UNCLEAR] kindly informed me; I want to assure you, it was not monetary, or [UNCLEAR]. All I did for sixteen years was to serve the organisation, with total commitment and dedication to promoting the activities of that organisation. Now, a United Nations body is not a state, a responsible state. It has no powers to enforce anything. The only power a world body has is its moral authority. The moral authority vested in it by several governments. And what I did was to [UNCLEAR/serve] that organisation. And the role there is to bring all maritime nations, one hundred and thirty-four together at the forum [UNCLEAR] and try to promote co-operation from all the countries. Try to bring them round to a common point of view. So that the world should have safety, efficiency, accountability and some [UNCLEAR]. And it is a mighty task. You know, a tanker is half a million tons. One tanker would be twenty times the size of this building, perhaps. There are containers which are bulk carried. And each one of them is at least [UNCLEAR]. And my role as Secretary-General was to see [UNCLEAR/how they communicate together], across industries together. And by the spirit of goodwill, communication, to listen to each other. To come to a consensus. And we developed twenty different treaties, diplomatic treaties on these tankers. Always by consensus. I do not believe in fighting and the United Nations system must not divide at all. The United Nations means United Nations. So if we people are accomplishing certain work, if we divide the body between developed and developing, between north and south, east and west, it would be no good to the cells of the body. That is my philosophy and possibly, it coincides with the philosophy of the member states. The said, yes, that is how it should be. I have travelled a long [UNCLEAR/time]. I have been to many countries all over the world. And believe me, again, not one country said that they wanted [UNCLEAR]. And I have therefore seen the world at its best. And in this task, I was helped by the International Maritime team. Of course, you know, someone in Australia or Japan when he thinks of IMO, he thinks of the Secretary-General. And he thinks of, oh that Indian, the tall Indian. Not Mr Srivastava, my name is terrible, how can they remember; but they would remember an Indian. And that was my pride. An Indian serving the world, but as a true Indian. And what is a true Indian? A true Indian who believes in India’s philosophy. And India’s philosophy is peace on earth, goodwill for all nations. And that was my [UNCLEAR]. And fortunately, all the leaders accepted my sincerity, my dedication and they listened to me. Not because I was Secretary-General, but because I was a person in whose integrity, objectivity, spiritual service, they agreed. If you are very sincere, you cannot have a posture. You can advance for one year, two years, but you will be soon found out. You have to be totally sincere. And that is how the organisation functioned for sixteen years. Normally as with any system, there are problems [UNCLEAR]. There is all these hostilities between developed countries, under-developed countries, between the Soviet bloc, other blocs, so on. You cannot move. That is why you need the wisdom not to get [UNCLEAR]. But if I know, I generated a new phrase, where I said, I want families of the United Nations here. [UNCLEAR]. Which is understandable for Indians. But if you go to a United Nations body and say the word family, the best they will understand is [UNCLEAR]. So initially [UNCLEAR]. The IMO countries, they accepted. So the family of nations they accepted. And so the family of nations within ourselves. And this background I wanted to explain why so many governments of the world and the United Nations particularly, they decided to bestow upon me, a very high honour. The U.K. as you know has very high standards of the government. And of course, to their own nationals, they give a few knighthoods each year on the Queen’s birthday. But to a non-British, it is very rare. [UNCLEAR]. If they find something extraordinary and it is my, I am greatly [UNCLEAR/indebted] to Her Majesty, the Queen of the United Kingdom that she evaluated, of course, the recommendations come from the government – that my service to the United Nations International Maritime Organisation was worthy to deserve recognition. That is how I was the recipient of the knighthood. [Applause]. But, [UNCLEAR] other countries have given this honour to me. The King of Norway, of Sweden, the government of Germany, Brazil, Panama, I can go on with many others, but I won’t. But they all, the fact I want to suggest is, these awards are all not just because of my work, my achievements or my goodness. They came because of the goodness of these countries. The ideals of these countries. Panama, faraway Brazil, the world honouring an Indian. It is their greatness, their goodness which is exhibited by the appreciation of my work. So I am very humbled about it, I am most grateful. I assure you I have seen the very best of the world. I have seen human beings at their best. And I travelled all over the world, I am convinced that human beings everywhere are marvellous. It is the divisions which are created by vested interests which are responsible for all the problems. Anyway as far as I have served, now I can come back here. And I am very honoured to be in Pune. After I come back, I want to do whatever I can in my humble way, to continue with whatever service I can render. [UNCLEAR]. I have mentioned that is not my way. [UNCLEAR]. Now, back to Maharashtra, means again the same situation here. Patriotism [UNCLEAR]. And I have great support from my dear wife, who is here. When I began, She helped me in every step of the way. She helped me. She has been a wonderful wife, a great mother, a great grandmother. My grandchildren are here, coming to live with me. And She is also now, a world spiritual leader. Sometimes I meet Sahaja Yogis in other parts of the world. And when I see them, I am amazed by them, absolutely amazed. The kind of transformation that takes place, in the British, the French, Germans, Italian. They become pure, chaste, good brothers. And I would just be [UNCLEAR] pure, chaste, good Maharashtrians. Because when they come to India, they are happy in Maharashtra. Because they find Maharashtra so conducive with their own thinking. And I tell you this – I have served the world for more than forty years. I cannot honestly claim that I have transformed any single individual to that extent. They give up drugs, they give up alcoholism, they give up all kinds of modern cultures and lifestyles. They become true, truly sadhakas. Now if I could transform one organisation, She has transformed thousands. Actually transformed. And when people say, what is a miracle? I say, “This is the miracle. Everyone is a [UNCLEAR/saint]”. And She recently travelled to the Soviet Union. You do not know because of She [UNCLEAR/refugee there]. And people there are so anxious, much more than other Western countries. When She went, usually, when She [UNCLEAR], there is a gathering of about a thousand people, very good gatherings. In a very few, about fifteen hundred. In the Soviet Union, She got twenty thousand. Like a stadium almost. And why? Because they are anxious to get spiritual. They are not limited by any doctrines – like the communist doctrine or, communism [UNCLEAR]. They are ready and they had gathered around Her [UNCLEAR/and they value Her very much]. [UNCLEAR/popular] and She is being pulled around all over the world. She went to Russia, Romania, [UNCLEAR], Poland, GDR, everywhere. But still [UNCLEAR], to help me also in India. [Laughter and applause]. I have taken lots of time, but I want to assure you what a privilege it is to be here this evening. To get this honour, is a great honour, from Pune. It is a very great honour. And the honour goes down to my [UNCLEAR], because, obviously I love Maharashtra. I love its culture, its music, its people. And when I have permission to come back to Pune, I will get to stay here. That is my biggest achievement. And I am therefore I am feeling myself to be specially privileged, to be back here, to live here and to try to emulate [UNCLEAR]. And I have one request to make to you all. I am very excited about it. And the only point which worries me about Maharashtra, is the fact, that we do not stress that we are Indian first. And that is something which should be taken up. And Pune should provide the lead. You provided the lead during the Independence movement. Why not take the lead to create an Indian nation? You take the lead in [UNCLEAR], everything. What I would love to see is that there a movement initiated from here, to create an Indian nation. [UNCLEAR]. Pune would take the lead in creating an Indian nation. And that is my [UNCLEAR/dream/wish] in the pursuit of excellence. An Indian nation. I want to thank you very much. (In Marathi): I am not fluent in Marathi. [Applause]. I thank all the dignitaries of Pune for honouring me and Shri Mataji. Thank you so much. [Applause]. Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]. I never expected in that Pune there would be such a reception for Doctor Srivastava. It is a great surprise to Me. And you know in Sahaja Yoga we have been working in Pune since a long time. And I have always been wanting to come here, to stay here, live here. This is such a great thing, such a beautiful thing. He had thirty-one major awards. Some of them are for such an achievement, which is only worn by the king. And all these awards he got; nobody, if you ask any other Secretary-General. Nobody has got. Now when the Secretary of State, Mr Parkinson, was asked to say, in the dinner specially held for him in the Lancaster House, which is a famous house in [UNCLEAR]. And only three days before that they had an [UNCLEAR/meeting of presidents] there. Sir. C.P. Srivastava: Mathewson(?). Shri Mataji: Mathewson. [UNCLEAR] was there. I mean, all the important things are done there. You see, they are very particular about it. He got up and he said, “I had heard legends Madison. But in my lifetime, I never imagined I would meet one. [UNCLEAR]. Believe me. [Applause]. And he went on, about how telling how he got his awards, but I cannot believe that such a person exists. I have not heard of anyone in the world who has got so many awards from so many countries. She did not say anything, but somebody told her Mr Reagan had got this award. Because people have got otherwise, naturally, but they are limited. And this is the highest of all, highest award. Honorary; highest award someone can get. Now, this we must think about this. Because of My background – my father, mother were fighters for freedom. My father was in jail for quite some time. My mother was in jail five times. And I was would be unhappy [UNCLEAR/seeing] them like that. I also had been fighting for the freedom of this country. And I was quite tortured also. And then I heard these Britishers suddenly, imagine, to praise an Indian. I also remembered one thing. That once, Jhansi Ki Rani, she lost the battle. And a soldier, an Englishman who was fighting her, the general, he said, “We have won, but the glory goes to Jhansi Ki Rani”. The same thing, I will tell you, it is the same thing. That, to appreciate, to be enamoured by somebody’s work is so important. Because that makes the whole nation awaken to an ideal. This is what I feel. Now, are we working like that? Are we being like that? In our country, we have had great people also. I think the great blessings of the Divine. We can take many names. [UNCLEAR]. We have had many great people. Their lives [UNCLEAR]. But after that what I find is, after that people do not follow them. They put their photograph, but nobody tries to follow them. Somehow or other, their lives do not penetrate in our being. This is what they achieve there with this kind of thing. They publicise, say things in such a manner. Even her [UNCLEAR/daughter] she said, “Mrs Srivastava, I cannot believe such a man lives on this earth”. Just imagine, to talk like that about someone. And all this made Me feel, that we lack in appreciation. That is one thing; we are not so appreciative of somebody who works. Who dedicates his life. Even Mahatma Gandhi’s film was made by a Britisher, on his life. Can you imagine? A Britisher should make a film on Mahatma Gandhi and our film industry, such a great film industry all over the world, they made no film on Mahatma Gandhi. If the Britishers could make it, this appreciation of an international figure – anybody it could be, whatever caste is anything – that is something very surprising about the Britishers. And that is what makes the ideal of UK, it is so important. They [UNCLEAR/know what matters] and they are asking what is the concern. So, I thought that if just Indians could be like that if Indians could just be like that, I tell you. And that means everyone. If there is an industrialist who is working very hard, giving to the industry, doing so much for the country, doing this thing, that thing – and somebody goes and asks him [UNCLEAR/ a favour]. If he does not do the favour, they will say, he is such a bad man, cut his throat also, as if he is a [UNCLEAR]. Officers also. If any officer is good, you tell him what a good officer he is. Immediately others will [UNCLEAR]. I mean, I am your Mother, I will tell you the truth. And I think that if we can turn this. That if somebody has got some qualities, then we must appreciate and we must try to imbibe them. This is one thing lacking in us. I do not know why. But when I was young, I saw people appreciated each other very much. When my father was there and everyone else, all those people who were sacrificing so much for the country. They were a very different type of people. Everybody knew about everyone and the way they used to appreciate them, imbibe their qualities. Also, I would say, my husband’s bosses, who were I.C.S. (Indian Civil Service) at those times. I mean I did not think much of them, to begin with. But then I discovered that they too had these qualities. I remember one, Mr Bhagwant Rai who was his boss. And he used to paint very well. So I said, “Sir, I find these paintings are so good. [UNCLEAR/born with it]”. He said, “Mrs Srivastava I wish if I could work even one-tenth of your husband, I would be very proud of myself”. Such people. You see, and there was another one who used to bring [UNCLEAR] and then somebody told C.P. if you take a year you would be better off. He said, “[UNCLEAR], I also thought the same thing, but you better not”. I would see them always telling something that would be benevolent. Another one also, that (in Hindi to Sir C.P.) was it Guptaji who said that? Guptaji was another boss of his. One day [UNCLEAR] said, “Why don’t you drink? Why don’t you drink? You should also become like us and join us”. He said, “I wish I could also be sober”. See, so, they could always see good, they could always put that higher, always appreciate. Such a thing to be said about anybody is, you see, makes you understand. Also, I have seen Lal Bahadur Shastri when he was Prime Minister. He was a really trusted man, very much, all around the world. And he was always so kind, so nice, so very sweet to Me. And his style was that – one day he came to see Me and started asking Me, “How do you run your house? What is your priority in the house?.” I said, “Sir, why are you asking Me?”. He said, “Because you run your house very well. Your husband is very good at work and all that. What will he do without you?”. So, and [UNCLEAR/my brother] and he said, “That is what is needed”. And he was saying that. But how much he loved Mr Srivastava also is so remarkable. That one day he was down with some temperature or something. And Shastriji was going somewhere and lots of cars were with him. Suddenly he turned his own car, leaving everybody behind. You see, they had a big procession. And just came to our house. And all the police started finding – where has he gone, where has he disappeared, where has he gone? He just came alone. He said, “Mr Srivastava, apki tabiyat theek nahin, main milne chala aaya” (Mr Srivastava, you are not feeling well, I came to meet you). Such appreciation and understanding he had. But this is a sign of goodness. That is how you can become very great. Because you have people who will work for you, who will go all out to feel that they are up to their satisfaction. This is what we lack. I think we do not understand. It is very practical. Very practical. That those who are with you, who are working very hard, they should be all supported and helped. And they should be always understood. And this should be a practical thing. Our country will improve on this basis only. Now supposing there is a gentleman, who is working very hard, who is doing very well. Just praise him. Say he is doing well. Then somebody else is a doctor who is doing very well, say that he is doing so well. Instead of that we try pulling everyone’s leg and flinging mud at everyone without understanding. Even in the [UNCLEAR]. Why, I have seen it. Of course, I will say, journalism in [UNCLEAR], is of course, not so good. But if it comes to praising somebody, then they go all out. And they really impress people with the qualities of hardworking, honest, sincere, intelligent, brilliant personalities, that others try to do it. And this is what we have to try also in Sahaja Yoga. I do not know if we do it. And of course, Sahaja Yoga doors are open to everyone. Everybody can come, everybody can take a [UNCLEAR]. And I am [UNCLEAR] to my family’s support. That they have always allowed, always allowed Me to go all out to do this great work. And also not only that, they have borne a lot of nuisance in the house, in the family. Everybody comes into the house. People come in My room, they can all come just inside the bedrooms and anywhere. And without [UNCLEAR/saying], “Mother [UNCLEAR/ we are here for so and so]”. But otherwise, if anybody else does that, Mr Srivastava will correct, but not a Sahaja Yogi. And he will always say they are angels, Sahaja Yogis are angels. And he is always very kind to them, very nice to them. And he believes that if there are Sahaja Yogis, one day this world will be great. And of course, I have seen that. As we have created the United Nations, people have to become Sahaja Yogis so that they really unite. So this is a very [UNCLEAR] that way. And that too now, we are accepted by the United Nations. We are accepted by [UNCLEAR] as a religion and they have given us the highest position at the church. They call it an innate, a pure innate religion. And they have given us the highest [UNCLEAR]. In Russia, we are officially accepted. When I go there, [UNCLEAR/they are all there, at the plane] like a Prime Minister is visiting. So they have accepted officially, and everything is paid by official rate [UNCLEAR]. They look after Me just like, as if some great Prime Minister of some country has come. Very surprised how these people have accepted Sahaja Yoga so well. And at all levels. Educational level, [UNCLEAR] level, political level, governments, everywhere. They take My [UNCLEAR]. And it is very surprising, really. And I hope people should take to their spirituality and do some justice to what the great saints have done for them. And I am sure Maharashtra will have to do its bit to do that work. May God Bless You. [Applause]. Sahaja Yogi: And to all the great men of this era, thank you very much. And Sir C.P. we really forward to your coming to India and the great role that you are going to play in the near future in the country and turning the future of this country. We again look forward to your early coming to India. And now, I request Shri Rajesh Shah to offer a small token of our appreciation to Sir C.P. [Applause]. [Sir C.P. opens the gift a commemorative silver plate]. Sahaja Yogi: I would request Jose Antonio to offer a small gift for Shri Mataji. [Jose Antonio offers the gift]. Shri Mataji: For Me? For Me? [Applause and end of recording].

8/7/1990

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Raksha Bandhan and Shri Ganesha Puja

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Raksha Bandhan. Los Angeles (USA), 7 August 1990. So, this day is extremely important in a way for Sahaja Yogis to observe and I'm happy that I am here because it's very important also for America. As I told you that, I have already talked to you how the war between Alexander and Poros was finished because of a sister's intervention. And also how Shri Krishna whose sister was Draupadi, Vishnumaya was born as Draupadi and how He came to save Her chastity by rushing all the way from Dwarika. So, you can see that when we ascend in the collective consciousness and we have collective living, collective meeting at the Vishuddhi Chakra, Shri Krishna establish this, or He manifested this pure relationship of a sister. In a collective life that we have, in the Ashram where we live, where we move about as Sahaja Yogis, if we do not have this basic principle within us, there will be a chaos, complete chaos. Once this purity of relationship is established, that apart from my wife, all the rest are my sisters or mothers, it cannot be a proper society and the chaos of the social system of America is because they have no sense of pure relationships. Once you call somebody a sister, she's a sister. And once you call somebody a brother, she's (FYI -Mother does say She's - we double checked) a brother. It's not only that you should be born of the same parents, it's not necessary, but this is a very important principle to have a very pure society where everybody can live peacefully. It's a common thing I have seen in the West, that a lady comes as a friend of the wife of the house. So, she's there and she is a sister of the husband, has to be. But on the contrary, next day you find that this man starts having bad eyes towards this lady, because, from very childhood, if you have not fixed your attention on your sister, with all that purity, you cannot have that pure feelings for another woman. The starting point is your own sister. The son is born and then the daughter is born or first the daughter is born and the son is born. From that small age, when they are innocent, this is a dimension of sisterly pure relationship is developed, even when the society is so corrupt and bad. But at a very young age, say, at the age of eighteen years, because of the social relations here and the social ideas, the second part, which is a brother's duty towards the sister, is to respect the chastity of his sister and to protect it, and also it is the sister's duty to keep the brother moral, morally all right. So once it becomes freedom after the eighteen years of time, eighteen years of age, then the sister goes with any man, lives with any man, the boy is not supposed to say anything, or if the brother goes and stays with anyone, the sister cannot say anything, she cannot interfere. On the contrary, like India anywhere or I was told also in China and Egypt, even Islamic countries, if they find their sister going with another man, they'll shoot that man, in the Islamic countries. In India they may not shoot, but they will see that the sister is put right. Same with the brother, in India I can say, in China also. If the brother is immoral, he's going the wrong way, then the sister tries her level best to bring him back to normal morality. It's very common that if a man is doing wrong, then the wife goes to the sister and she's very anxious, and she becomes very upset about it. She goes all out to correct her brother. And this innate understanding exists within us. In every person, whether you are born in America or anywhere, that if the brother is doing the wrong thing, if he is smoking, if he is doing wrong things, more than the mother, the sister feels it, more than the mother, the sister wants that it should be corrected, and she goes all out, to fight it out. Mother may start crying, weeping, give up, but the sister will go on fighting her brother. In her, all efforts, she will see to it that the brother comes around. Also, other things like, if the brother is doing something illegal, something wrong, something which is detrimental to the society, it is the sister, who has a right, divine right, to go and correct. In a society, where this relationship is very pure and where societies are quite settled down, the question doesn't arise, mostly, that the sisters do wrong. But supposing a sister does something wrong, supposing a sister goes out of the family, she tries to give up her family for somebody else, or she tries to dominate her husband or to do something wrong in the family, then the brother will go and tell her off, what he thinks of her, and will try to correct her. So this right to correct between brother and sister does exist, not because it is some sort of an outward thing but innately from within ourselves. This is the Ganesha Principle which acts, on Vishuddhi Chakra where, whatever communications we have, we have a sister's relationship and a mother's relationship. Krishna also had a Foster Mother, as you know, and the relationship with Him was exactly like Her Own Son. So, if you call somebody as a mother, it has to be absolutely pure relationships. So there are three types of relationships with a woman, is one, is that of a mother, another of a sister or a daughter, and another is of a wife. Daughter cannot correct the father. Daughter has no right to correct the father and she will not correct the father. On the contrary, even if he does wrong, she'll support him. She'll stand by him. Always. She will even go against the mother to support father. It's nature. It's natural. But the son will correct the father, if he is doing something against the mother. It's a natural thing. It's a male force supporting the female's force or the female force correcting the male force in such a manner that the society is kept clean and there is proper growth. Only among barbaric people, according to Shastras, only the Rakshas indulge into such impure relationships all the time. Because there is no purity in the society, it crawls up into our mind and mentally we accept these things as norms. Otherwise, there is no need to look at every woman with lust and greed, at every man with some lust. This abandonment has basically started, when like Freud has said it also, when the relationship with the mother, relationship with the father, the relationship with the brother and sisters are basically spoiled in childhood, due to the atmosphere, due to so many things, whatever it is. And once it is ruined, this principle of Ganesha is ruined on your Vishuddhi Chakra. It' very, very difficult in Sahaja Yoga to keep such people going on.Now we have had problems in Ashrams of this kind, which you know of, that they are living in the Ashram and misbehaving. There are married women also, we had experience of this, I mean it was such a horrifying thing, having relations in the most impure manner. Even the unmarried, can do like this. I had a very bad experience in Austria once, once here also. It is such a horrible experience for Me, I don't know what to do with them, because I know they are Sahaja Yogis, they are seekers, but this kind of weakness, we cannot have in collectivity. It is like one really, a bad apple, which will ruin all of them. So even a one example like that cannot be tolerated, not that, because it is so very venomnous, (FYI _The correct word is Venomous but Mother uses Venomnous) but because this kind of relationship will ruin our collectivity. In India we had a system called "Gotra", which meant, that whatever university we studied, is that your Gotra. For example, My forefathers', forefathers', forefathers, all of them studied in one university, which was started by Shandily Muni. So they all went to his Ashram in different places and did this, what you can say, a studies and all those things together, but in one Gotra, you cannot marry. Now so many years have passed. Because we belong to Shandilya Gotra, we cannot marry anyone in that Gotra. So to that extent it is, and when to that extent it comes in our mind, we don't think the other way round and doesn't come into our minds like that. Now we have societies like Islam, this Muslim societies also. In the Muslim society because of Pardha system, they are always suspicious and they can never trust that a woman is having a good relation with brothers or not, because they have no Gotra system at all. They are so suspicious, because there's no freedom to talk and I have seen in India, where also we can see that is quite a pure relationship idea between the Muslims, but Muslims have this problem. The women are suspicious, men are suspicious, and everything is done secretly and in a funny manner. So another thing should be, that we should be absolutely free in an Ashram. But there should not be a particular interest in one person. If somebody gets a particular interest in one person, then it is wrong. But in general, we should be free as brothers and sisters. I mean, we should be very free. The suspicion should not come in, at that time. Suspicion can only come in when one person is interested only in one person and that is the time we have to correct. Very important. Because, it's all right, supposing somebody is a leader, you are looking after the leader, is all right. If somebody is your Rakhi Brother, is all right, you are looking after Rakhi Brother. But if you go beyond a certain limit, then you better correct yourself, it's wrong. And then if you really want to deceive yourself and say, ' No, no, no, nothing's wrong,' then know that this is not the way. You have come to Sahaja Yoga, giving up all these nonsensical things to ascend, and now this again crawling upon you. So the relationships should be of the same type with everyone. Now what is the difference in a society which is supposed to be elite, where people flirt with each other. They'll freely freely flirt, they flirt with this person, that person that person that person, like that. Not interested in anybody, this thing. But, when they talk and when they have any communication, what is behind this? Because we have to search our own souls. We have to find out ourselves. That's very important. Soul-searching is important to see, why am I so friendly with such and such person? If you think that you are friendly with such and such person for some other purpose, like somebody might say that, ' Oh, I am all right, because I am working with her,' or something like that, but why interested? Because soul-searching is very important in these countries specially, because here there is no norms about how you behave with other women. So we have to be absolutely free as I said with each other in the sense like that brothers and sisters are. And whatever are the limitations of a woman must be observed, like you see, say, if My brother is sitting with Me, I cannot watch a romantic picture. Cannot. If My daughters are there, My husband will not sit there to watch a romantic picture. It's very subtle. With the brother you won't discuss something, normally, say about sex or about things like that, because it is such a private thing that you can only have this with your husband. So, if he is a brother and you find him that he is trying to attract the person in a way that you should not, then you have to place yourself, against yourself, and see for your sake, why you are doing it? It's such a frivolous, nonsense thing, it's a joyless pursuit! So why should I do it? Once you understand the importance that Sahaja Yoga, you can only achieve your ascent through purity. There's no other way round. Anything which is hanging on to you, will keep you down. And whatever you go, start dropping it out, whether it is ego, superego, anything. But the highest of all is the purity of your mind as far as the sex is concerned. I will give it the highest part. That's what we call as innocence. That's the only thing that will take you ahead. And so we all should try to search our souls. Now there are men and women who doubt each other, all the time, and go on doubting each other. But it is another joyless pursuit. We have to watch ourselves and not others. By doubting others we ruin our lives and the lives of others. But, is the duty of the wife and the husband to correct each other, if they find anything wrong in that relationship. Now this discrimination has to be there. Mostly I have seen that if they are crazy people, they'll go on doubting everyone. It's a kind of a possession. If they are doubting their wife they'll go on after her life. If they are doubting about the husband, they'll go on after. This again spoils your collectivity. Such people cannot be collective and cannot be Sahaj. And I would say such people should be thrown out of Sahaja Yoga. Or else they should be separated. Because, this is a very subtle type of an aggression can take place or a subtle type of a torture can take place and a very bad type of relationships can develop, between the Sahaja Yogis. I have seen one case in Australia, which was very, very serious for Me. There was an Indian girl and she got after her husband about these things and so many people she hurt and so many people left Sahaja Yoga and nobody could discover why they are leaving. Because, she used to do, very subtly. And it came out of her inferiority complex, or whatever it is and when she came to India, her husband left her and when I talked to her, the person whom she was suspecting is one of the gem of a persons I know. I was shocked, how she could think like that. Now I discovered that her mother was like that also. So one has to know that the purity of mind has to be there, has to be very clean and open. But in that openness, you should see the freshness of mind. If you are not fresh, in your mind, and you do then think, then know, that is not correct. Today I am touching these subjects because we have had problems like this in America. And also America is a place which is seething with this nonsense. And I don't know when are they going to stop it. There is no end to it. But for you people to establish proper, proper collectivity, it is extremely important to understand, that you should do soul- searching about it. You have to understand through your vibrations, through your own understanding. Because I cannot say, "You are wrong, you are wrong." You have to find out, if there is something wrong within you to establish this pure relationship. If you people really strive to do that, and really pray, I tell you half of the problems of this country will be solved. Solved forever. You see, people are suffering from this disease, that disease. I mean, I ask them, " Why do you do that?" He said, 'Because women are not dependable; You go home, there is a play with another man. It's better to stay with a man than to stay with a woman.' I mean, absurd, unnatural, nonsensical thing they do. Same with the women. Now if fidelity is between husband and wife in the real sense of the word, again we come to reality, real sense of the word, then the man and women should become free like birds. They know. So, it is the childhood relationship between brother and a sister. I would say, with everybody else in the childhood whatever relations you have. You see the child goes to an uncle, to another uncle, to her, everybody is an uncle, to another aunt, it is that. So he develops all his dimensions of purity, in childhood. But if you keep the child all the time, ' No, no, this is my child, can't go to this person, can't go to that person,' then the child develops those corners. Then, when the child is exposed, later on, gradually, you don't have to give any ideas; he would not do immoral things automatically. You don't have to teach them about sex, you don't have to do anything. Because, after all in India, we don't tell children anything. We never talk to them about anything. Just grow. I mean, you leave them alone anywhere, no question. I mean, I know, now say I have My two daughters, now they have their husbands, they might fight with each other sometimes, whatever it is. But left to themselves, I cannot think it is possible that any other man can attract their attention, on a wrong way. They'll be free with anyone, talk to everyone, they cannot! But I have never told a word about sex or anything. I mean I feel shy even to say this word to them. How is it they have got this innately built in within themselves, because the society, the Indian society is such that brothers', sisters' relations are beautiful. In Greece, which is a very ancient country also, but now they are becoming modernized. So we have, our Stamatis is there, is an interesting person, as you know, Stamatis is very interesting person, he's a lawyer and he is in Athens. So he told Me a joke. He said, 'Mother, when we became young,' I mean he is already young, but according to Me, he became young much earlier, ' so when we became young, we all boys decided, let's have some good time with the girls to be modern. But immediately they all started, 'But not my sister, ah, spare my sister, spare my sister. Don't touch my sister.' So I said, " Which, which is the girl who has no brother? All girls have brother." I said, "No, you see, this won't work out. In Greece it won't work out. I told her." You see exactly, see, they are suggested that no brother likes his sister to be exploited by any man. And this is the principle. How you please your brother by remaining chaste and how you please your sister by remaining chaste. So there's a mutual controlling power, which is innate, again I'll say: "It is innate, it is not forced by society, innate." But in a society, which is so artificial, where all the time the ideas are put into your heads, there's brainwashing going on. You just start thinking there is something wrong, this is not proper, this is being something absurd. But even among animals I have seen, this works for quite sometime. So what about human beings? So all these qualities, that we have within us, which are innate, are beautiful. The societies which are spoiled, ruined, or we see these decadent societies, that's what you can call them, are the societies which have got a very good system built in, of brainwashing. Even about say one hundred years back in this country, the society was not like this. Even fifty years back it was not like this. If you see the films and things you will know, that the innate value system was the same, but now people are so much brainwashed, that all their innate qualities have been destroyed, and there are all artificial qualities are there. Now Sahaja Yoga is the innate religion within us, and one of the innate religion, or we can say one of the innate religious quality, is that we understand the purity and the beauty of brothers' and sisters' relations. Like, say for example, A is a sister of B. Now, B has a friend. Now, this friend comes to the house and A starts getting friendly with B, take it like that. In American way, I don't know how far they go or whatever way. That troubles the brother. He doesn't like it. That troubles the sister also, because she, she doesn't know how she stands, she becomes nervous. She's not sure as to how to go far with it. So the all the relations become confused and they don't know how to how to deal with each other, how to express themselves, how to behave in a manner, that the relationship between these three is again normal. And most of the society, societies, which are so abandon, if you go and really examine these people you'll be surprised that they're extremely nervous people. They say that if you have to make out an American among thousands, is very easy. His nose will be twitching, his eyes will be going like this, his hands will be going like that, of course not Sahaja Yogis, and it's very easy to make it out. The reason is: he's all the time on tentacles. He doesn't know what his sister is doing, what his mother is doing, what his wife is doing or the other way round also for a woman. That's why the maximum number of breast cancers are in America. With all this advancement, if you see the statistics, the maximum number of patients are here. So apart from ego and superego, the worst thing that has happened to these modern societies is that, that they have lost their innate understanding of purity. That innate understanding in Sahaja Yoga now you have got it. So try to develop it and flower it, so the fragrance of that innocence will make each other very happy and such a kind of a security. One feels so secure. And that's why it is a Raksha Bandhan, that the protection of a brother and a protection of a sister. All the time you know, my brother is there, after all, my sister is there. A kind of a very pure, beautiful feeling, that I have somebody to protect me. And this beautiful feeling, if it's nurtured, looked after, in a wider way in Sahaja Yoga, then you feel absolutely, absolutely secure. Like one lady went to Sicily, she is a Sahaja Yogini and there's another one from another corner went down to Sicily. They were sitting apart from each other in a restaurant. And she just looked at her and she looked at her and they just felt they were both Realized Souls. So she just came on by, she said, ' By the way, have you heard about Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi?' She said, 'Are you a Sahaja Yogini?" She said, ' I am.''I'm also Sahaja Yogini.'They hugged each other, kissed each other. See normally, if it is done with a woman, here they will call her something else. But, they described, 'Mother, we started crying. We both we are feeling lonely there, and we started crying.' Such beautiful relation. But if any such I mean I was surprised that ah.. maybe some people came to India and said, ' Oh my God, here all the girls are holding each other's hands!' I said, " Why? What, whose hands they should hold then?" First I couldn't understand and they were surprised. How are they holding each other's hand? So, I mean, at everybody is a target. Everybody is looked into as if he is a dirty fellow. Whether it's a man or a woman, whether it is a relationship between man and man or woman and woman. I mean it's filth. It's dirt. So we have to get out of it. And to get out of it we must understand that, relationship are only enjoyed if they are pure. And also, say in a sap of the tree is rising. Now the sap has to give something to the leaves. Instead of giving that to the leaves, it starts giving that green chlorophyll, say to the flower. The flower will become green and the, I don't know if the leaves will also survive this kind of misplacements. So, whatever relationship you have to give to anyone, has to be pure and meticulous about it, that what relationship you have to give. For example, I am your Guru. So, the relationship between you and Me is precise. So, supposing you say, ' What does it matter, I can go and sit in Mother's lap?' You cannot. You cannot do it. Though I mean, it's a pure relationship, still you cannot, or, ' I might put my feet towards my Mother.' I cannot, because these all relations must be understood in its pure forms. Even in electricity you see now, supposing this is a fan running here, and you got a plug, now supposing you put that plug in your nose, will it run? It looks absurd, but that is what it is. All these modern ideas are like this, that you are putting the plug into the nose. And the handkerchief, instead of the nose, it goes into that plug. It is so absurd and it is so useless. And it shows how idiotic people have become. So, we should know what is the relationship we have with this, with each other, what is the relationship we have in the collective, how do we behave. Of course, in the collective way, always, the girls will pull the legs of boys and boys will pull the legs of the girls, is all right, and can go on among themselves also, is all right. But as long as there is purity, nobody will mind. They' ll all enjoy. But as soon as it becomes perverted, then the problems start and, in Sahaja Yoga, these useless problems has taken away so much of My energy that I am now fed up with it. Really fed up! Somebody writes to Me from there, ' Mother, I have suddenly fallen in love with somebody.' Now recently, there was a boy, he was married, from England, married to a girl, a girl from India. And there was a lady, who was married, maybe I don't know quite what should I call her, she's not a lady anymore, married to French man. She went to France, lived with him and came back. Now, he's an English boy. They, before marriage, they were just friends and all right, and after they got married, both of them started living together. And I can't understand. Before marriage, it never entered into their head. After marriage, why this has entered into their head? 'Mother, we don't know what to do now.' You see, that, that French boy is fed up, he said, ' I have nothing to do with this but for this Indian girl, what to do, what am I to tell her?' Because for her, he's her husband. Because Indians are not like this, to put the plug- in- the- nose- type, you see. So she cannot understand. And, she does not know what to say and I don't know what to tell her. How to solve his problem? It is such a funny problem now. This French boy found her out in no time, is just given up. But now, such a headache, such a ...This boy came to see Me, this English boy, discussing with Me till 2:30 in the night and then directly I said, " Now if you don't get away now, I'll beat you," so he ran away. He came inside, directly inside. " Now, it's 2:30, will you please get out from there?" And what he was telling Me, ' I know, I know. This is wrong. I know this is wrong. I know I am putting the plug into my nose. '"All right then?"'But, I have been struggling with myself for six months. I don't know what to do with myself.'I said, "But are you possessed?"He said, ' No, but I know.' They think, in these Western societies, that once they say, ' I know, I am doing wrong, I know, I am doing,' then finished! You have confessed to God, you have confessed to everyone. 'I know this is wrong, but I am doing it.' But till 2:30 was just saying this to Me. I said, " But what is the solution?"'I know there is no solution, I know, and whatever I did, I understand, I know.'"What do you understand? Now, give Me the solution."'I don't know.'So I told him that, "Really I am so fed up with you that I have decided I'll have no more marriages, because you have no sense of marriage. Till you got married, you were all right. You were nice to her. You wrote one letter to her and suddenly now, how have you fallen together?"He said, ' It was spontaneous, got spontaneous. This girl came to place where I was working for something and I met her. Finished. That's all.' He knew this girl before, they were together, everything was there, nothing happened. Suddenly, what has happened? Now, what I gather that Western society is built up against marriages, against families. To be married, according to them, is a sin. And once you are married, to get out of the sin you must do something like that. Because they live together, for days together, and once they marry, immediately they think of divorce. Because marriage is now so much connected with property, money, this, that, nonsense. That the whole thing has become so gross, and after marriage, there's no question of love, because how much money goes, how much part of the house goes, how many things are mine, how many? The whole thing has become so materialistic, such marriages can never be successful.But in Sahaja Yoga we marry for our ascent. And we have to respect our marriages and to respect our chastities with our brothers and sisters. Those people who try, to somehow or other ruin the purity of collectivity, I assure you, will be in very great trouble, henceforth. I think every sort of divine punishment comes after every period. And now, I've started feeling with My experience that any such absurd manifestation of impurity, I need not say anything about it. There is a divine punishment and of a very horrible nature. Now I've got three to four] experiences and I think it has already started. It's nice, there is today is a day when I can talk to you about it. I can't help it. I think periodically some new ideas of punishments have been started by this divine power. And for people who behave like this, I have seen there are terrible things. So, please do your soul- searching. Find out if there are any impure feelings, try to throw them away. And know that you are not possessed by such funny ideas. If you start developing a deeper understanding, then you will not be attracted by superficial things. And you won't be distracted from your path. There was one girl in India, was very dark, say, I couldn't call her in anyway beautiful. She's tall but she's very, very dark. There's somebody who was all right for her age, so, I asked him, I said, "She's not suitable for you. But, you can have a look at her." He saw her and he said, 'Mother, I want to marry her. I feel so tranquil in her company. Such beautiful vibrations!' So once you develop your deeper side, then you do not see all the superficial thing, but you see the vibrations of the person and once you start seeing the vibrations, you'll be surprised that if these relationships are not all right, your vibrations will stop. You won't feel the vibrations. You must know, that Chaitanya is a living energy which thinks, which knows, which understands, everything! So if you are getting wrong ideas about somebody and if you try to see vibrations, you'll get heat, automatically. It's a computer which thinks, the information that is filled into this computer, it refills itself. Such a computer. As soon as you start feeling the vibrations of such a person, immediately you feel that there are no vibrations or there's heat. But supposing you are unnecessarily suspicious and unnecessarily you are trying to trouble yourself, then also, same thing will happen. You have got, of course Realization, you have got great qualities. You are not even aware as to what you've got so easily. You've got the knowledge also so easily and didn't have to go to college or anything and you are capable of so many things, but remember, that the power that is within you is cleverer than you and anything you try to do, which is not correct, which is not righteous, which is not holy, it will try to correct you. So, try to be a deeper person. Try to understand what is behind this person, what is the spiritual quality of this person and then only you will know that pure relationships are so fragrant and so beautiful. I really enjoy you people because you have such pure relationships among yourselves and such understanding. May God bless you. Today, so much Puja has been done, but for this thing there is never a Puja as such. Today we'll do the Puja, so what we have to do is just a Ganesha Puja on My feet. That's the only thing we can do because it's the quality of Ganesha. The quality of Ganesha, which is expressed, and the protection of Shri Ganesha. It is He who does this. Even if your Brother may not be there, He'll look after you. Because He's the First One born to Me and He's your Brother. He's the Eldest Brother you have. So this is His purity, His innocence, which is giving you the protection. So what Puja you can do today is just a Ganesha Puja, it's sufficient because He stands for purity. I wish I could show you a photograph that I have of Shri Ganesha Himself. Actually He's behind Me, actually He's there as He is, because you see it was a, it was a Shiv Puja, Shivratri and they had done all kinds of Himalayas and all that behind Me and this is the only photograph, He really appeared, so sweetly. See His eyes, when they said Niranjan. He is just so innocent and He has pulled out His trunk also little bit, so that I should not be in anyway hurt by any possibility. [Unclear word] I didn't see Him. But it's on (Mother corrects Herself) only in this photograph He is there.

Raksha Bandhan. Los Angeles (USA), 7 August 1990. So, this day is extremely important in a way for Sahaja Yogis to observe and I'm happy that I am here because it's very important also for America. As I told you that, I have already talked to you how the war between Alexander and Poros was finished because of a sister's intervention. And also how Shri Krishna whose sister was Draupadi, Vishnumaya was born as Draupadi and how He came to save Her chastity by rushing all the way from Dwarika. So, you can see that when we ascend in the collective consciousness and we have collective living, collective meeting at the Vishuddhi Chakra, Shri Krishna establish this, or He manifested this pure relationship of a sister. In a collective life that we have, in the Ashram where we live, where we move about as Sahaja Yogis, if we do not have this basic principle within us, there will be a chaos, complete chaos. Once this purity of relationship is established, that apart from my wife, all the rest are my sisters or mothers, it cannot be a proper society and the chaos of the social system of America is because they have no sense of pure relationships. Once you call somebody a sister, she's a sister. And once you call somebody a brother, she's (FYI -Mother does say She's - we double checked) a brother. It's not only that you should be born of the same parents, it's not necessary, but this is a very important principle to have a very pure society where everybody can live peacefully. It's a common thing I have seen in the West, that a lady comes as a friend of the wife of the house. So, she's there and she is a sister of the husband, has to be. But on the contrary, next day you find that this man starts having bad eyes towards this lady, because, from very childhood, if you have not fixed your attention on your sister, with all that purity, you cannot have that pure feelings for another woman. The starting point is your own sister. The son is born and then the daughter is born or first the daughter is born and the son is born. From that small age, when they are innocent, this is a dimension of sisterly pure relationship is developed, even when the society is so corrupt and bad. But at a very young age, say, at the age of eighteen years, because of the social relations here and the social ideas, the second part, which is a brother's duty towards the sister, is to respect the chastity of his sister and to protect it, and also it is the sister's duty to keep the brother moral, morally all right. So once it becomes freedom after the eighteen years of time, eighteen years of age, then the sister goes with any man, lives with any man, the boy is not supposed to say anything, or if the brother goes and stays with anyone, the sister cannot say anything, she cannot interfere. On the contrary, like India anywhere or I was told also in China and Egypt, even Islamic countries, if they find their sister going with another man, they'll shoot that man, in the Islamic countries. In India they may not shoot, but they will see that the sister is put right. Same with the brother, in India I can say, in China also. If the brother is immoral, he's going the wrong way, then the sister tries her level best to bring him back to normal morality. It's very common that if a man is doing wrong, then the wife goes to the sister and she's very anxious, and she becomes very upset about it. She goes all out to correct her brother. And this innate understanding exists within us. In every person, whether you are born in America or anywhere, that if the brother is doing the wrong thing, if he is smoking, if he is doing wrong things, more than the mother, the sister feels it, more than the mother, the sister wants that it should be corrected, and she goes all out, to fight it out. Mother may start crying, weeping, give up, but the sister will go on fighting her brother. In her, all efforts, she will see to it that the brother comes around. Also, other things like, if the brother is doing something illegal, something wrong, something which is detrimental to the society, it is the sister, who has a right, divine right, to go and correct. In a society, where this relationship is very pure and where societies are quite settled down, the question doesn't arise, mostly, that the sisters do wrong. But supposing a sister does something wrong, supposing a sister goes out of the family, she tries to give up her family for somebody else, or she tries to dominate her husband or to do something wrong in the family, then the brother will go and tell her off, what he thinks of her, and will try to correct her. So this right to correct between brother and sister does exist, not because it is some sort of an outward thing but innately from within ourselves. This is the Ganesha Principle which acts, on Vishuddhi Chakra where, whatever communications we have, we have a sister's relationship and a mother's relationship. Krishna also had a Foster Mother, as you know, and the relationship with Him was exactly like Her Own Son. So, if you call somebody as a mother, it has to be absolutely pure relationships. So there are three types of relationships with a woman, is one, is that of a mother, another of a sister or a daughter, and another is of a wife. Daughter cannot correct the father. Daughter has no right to correct the father and she will not correct the father. On the contrary, even if he does wrong, she'll support him. She'll stand by him. Always. She will even go against the mother to support father. It's nature. It's natural. But the son will correct the father, if he is doing something against the mother. It's a natural thing. It's a male force supporting the female's force or the female force correcting the male force in such a manner that the society is kept clean and there is proper growth. Only among barbaric people, according to Shastras, only the Rakshas indulge into such impure relationships all the time. Because there is no purity in the society, it crawls up into our mind and mentally we accept these things as norms. Otherwise, there is no need to look at every woman with lust and greed, at every man with some lust. This abandonment has basically started, when like Freud has said it also, when the relationship with the mother, relationship with the father, the relationship with the brother and sisters are basically spoiled in childhood, due to the atmosphere, due to so many things, whatever it is. And once it is ruined, this principle of Ganesha is ruined on your Vishuddhi Chakra. It' very, very difficult in Sahaja Yoga to keep such people going on.Now we have had problems in Ashrams of this kind, which you know of, that they are living in the Ashram and misbehaving. There are married women also, we had experience of this, I mean it was such a horrifying thing, having relations in the most impure manner. Even the unmarried, can do like this. I had a very bad experience in Austria once, once here also. It is such a horrible experience for Me, I don't know what to do with them, because I know they are Sahaja Yogis, they are seekers, but this kind of weakness, we cannot have in collectivity. It is like one really, a bad apple, which will ruin all of them. So even a one example like that cannot be tolerated, not that, because it is so very venomnous, (FYI _The correct word is Venomous but Mother uses Venomnous) but because this kind of relationship will ruin our collectivity. In India we had a system called "Gotra", which meant, that whatever university we studied, is that your Gotra. For example, My forefathers', forefathers', forefathers, all of them studied in one university, which was started by Shandily Muni. So they all went to his Ashram in different places and did this, what you can say, a studies and all those things together, but in one Gotra, you cannot marry. Now so many years have passed. Because we belong to Shandilya Gotra, we cannot marry anyone in that Gotra. So to that extent it is, and when to that extent it comes in our mind, we don't think the other way round and doesn't come into our minds like that. Now we have societies like Islam, this Muslim societies also. In the Muslim society because of Pardha system, they are always suspicious and they can never trust that a woman is having a good relation with brothers or not, because they have no Gotra system at all. They are so suspicious, because there's no freedom to talk and I have seen in India, where also we can see that is quite a pure relationship idea between the Muslims, but Muslims have this problem. The women are suspicious, men are suspicious, and everything is done secretly and in a funny manner. So another thing should be, that we should be absolutely free in an Ashram. But there should not be a particular interest in one person. If somebody gets a particular interest in one person, then it is wrong. But in general, we should be free as brothers and sisters. I mean, we should be very free. The suspicion should not come in, at that time. Suspicion can only come in when one person is interested only in one person and that is the time we have to correct. Very important. Because, it's all right, supposing somebody is a leader, you are looking after the leader, is all right. If somebody is your Rakhi Brother, is all right, you are looking after Rakhi Brother. But if you go beyond a certain limit, then you better correct yourself, it's wrong. And then if you really want to deceive yourself and say, ' No, no, no, nothing's wrong,' then know that this is not the way. You have come to Sahaja Yoga, giving up all these nonsensical things to ascend, and now this again crawling upon you. So the relationships should be of the same type with everyone. Now what is the difference in a society which is supposed to be elite, where people flirt with each other. They'll freely freely flirt, they flirt with this person, that person that person that person, like that. Not interested in anybody, this thing. But, when they talk and when they have any communication, what is behind this? Because we have to search our own souls. We have to find out ourselves. That's very important. Soul-searching is important to see, why am I so friendly with such and such person? If you think that you are friendly with such and such person for some other purpose, like somebody might say that, ' Oh, I am all right, because I am working with her,' or something like that, but why interested? Because soul-searching is very important in these countries specially, because here there is no norms about how you behave with other women. So we have to be absolutely free as I said with each other in the sense like that brothers and sisters are. And whatever are the limitations of a woman must be observed, like you see, say, if My brother is sitting with Me, I cannot watch a romantic picture. Cannot. If My daughters are there, My husband will not sit there to watch a romantic picture. It's very subtle. With the brother you won't discuss something, normally, say about sex or about things like that, because it is such a private thing that you can only have this with your husband. So, if he is a brother and you find him that he is trying to attract the person in a way that you should not, then you have to place yourself, against yourself, and see for your sake, why you are doing it? It's such a frivolous, nonsense thing, it's a joyless pursuit! So why should I do it? Once you understand the importance that Sahaja Yoga, you can only achieve your ascent through purity. There's no other way round. Anything which is hanging on to you, will keep you down. And whatever you go, start dropping it out, whether it is ego, superego, anything. But the highest of all is the purity of your mind as far as the sex is concerned. I will give it the highest part. That's what we call as innocence. That's the only thing that will take you ahead. And so we all should try to search our souls. Now there are men and women who doubt each other, all the time, and go on doubting each other. But it is another joyless pursuit. We have to watch ourselves and not others. By doubting others we ruin our lives and the lives of others. But, is the duty of the wife and the husband to correct each other, if they find anything wrong in that relationship. Now this discrimination has to be there. Mostly I have seen that if they are crazy people, they'll go on doubting everyone. It's a kind of a possession. If they are doubting their wife they'll go on after her life. If they are doubting about the husband, they'll go on after. This again spoils your collectivity. Such people cannot be collective and cannot be Sahaj. And I would say such people should be thrown out of Sahaja Yoga. Or else they should be separated. Because, this is a very subtle type of an aggression can take place or a subtle type of a torture can take place and a very bad type of relationships can develop, between the Sahaja Yogis. I have seen one case in Australia, which was very, very serious for Me. There was an Indian girl and she got after her husband about these things and so many people she hurt and so many people left Sahaja Yoga and nobody could discover why they are leaving. Because, she used to do, very subtly. And it came out of her inferiority complex, or whatever it is and when she came to India, her husband left her and when I talked to her, the person whom she was suspecting is one of the gem of a persons I know. I was shocked, how she could think like that. Now I discovered that her mother was like that also. So one has to know that the purity of mind has to be there, has to be very clean and open. But in that openness, you should see the freshness of mind. If you are not fresh, in your mind, and you do then think, then know, that is not correct. Today I am touching these subjects because we have had problems like this in America. And also America is a place which is seething with this nonsense. And I don't know when are they going to stop it. There is no end to it. But for you people to establish proper, proper collectivity, it is extremely important to understand, that you should do soul- searching about it. You have to understand through your vibrations, through your own understanding. Because I cannot say, "You are wrong, you are wrong." You have to find out, if there is something wrong within you to establish this pure relationship. If you people really strive to do that, and really pray, I tell you half of the problems of this country will be solved. Solved forever. You see, people are suffering from this disease, that disease. I mean, I ask them, " Why do you do that?" He said, 'Because women are not dependable; You go home, there is a play with another man. It's better to stay with a man than to stay with a woman.' I mean, absurd, unnatural, nonsensical thing they do. Same with the women. Now if fidelity is between husband and wife in the real sense of the word, again we come to reality, real sense of the word, then the man and women should become free like birds. They know. So, it is the childhood relationship between brother and a sister. I would say, with everybody else in the childhood whatever relations you have. You see the child goes to an uncle, to another uncle, to her, everybody is an uncle, to another aunt, it is that. So he develops all his dimensions of purity, in childhood. But if you keep the child all the time, ' No, no, this is my child, can't go to this person, can't go to that person,' then the child develops those corners. Then, when the child is exposed, later on, gradually, you don't have to give any ideas; he would not do immoral things automatically. You don't have to teach them about sex, you don't have to do anything. Because, after all in India, we don't tell children anything. We never talk to them about anything. Just grow. I mean, you leave them alone anywhere, no question. I mean, I know, now say I have My two daughters, now they have their husbands, they might fight with each other sometimes, whatever it is. But left to themselves, I cannot think it is possible that any other man can attract their attention, on a wrong way. They'll be free with anyone, talk to everyone, they cannot! But I have never told a word about sex or anything. I mean I feel shy even to say this word to them. How is it they have got this innately built in within themselves, because the society, the Indian society is such that brothers', sisters' relations are beautiful. In Greece, which is a very ancient country also, but now they are becoming modernized. So we have, our Stamatis is there, is an interesting person, as you know, Stamatis is very interesting person, he's a lawyer and he is in Athens. So he told Me a joke. He said, 'Mother, when we became young,' I mean he is already young, but according to Me, he became young much earlier, ' so when we became young, we all boys decided, let's have some good time with the girls to be modern. But immediately they all started, 'But not my sister, ah, spare my sister, spare my sister. Don't touch my sister.' So I said, " Which, which is the girl who has no brother? All girls have brother." I said, "No, you see, this won't work out. In Greece it won't work out. I told her." You see exactly, see, they are suggested that no brother likes his sister to be exploited by any man. And this is the principle. How you please your brother by remaining chaste and how you please your sister by remaining chaste. So there's a mutual controlling power, which is innate, again I'll say: "It is innate, it is not forced by society, innate." But in a society, which is so artificial, where all the time the ideas are put into your heads, there's brainwashing going on. You just start thinking there is something wrong, this is not proper, this is being something absurd. But even among animals I have seen, this works for quite sometime. So what about human beings? So all these qualities, that we have within us, which are innate, are beautiful. The societies which are spoiled, ruined, or we see these decadent societies, that's what you can call them, are the societies which have got a very good system built in, of brainwashing. Even about say one hundred years back in this country, the society was not like this. Even fifty years back it was not like this. If you see the films and things you will know, that the innate value system was the same, but now people are so much brainwashed, that all their innate qualities have been destroyed, and there are all artificial qualities are there. Now Sahaja Yoga is the innate religion within us, and one of the innate religion, or we can say one of the innate religious quality, is that we understand the purity and the beauty of brothers' and sisters' relations. Like, say for example, A is a sister of B. Now, B has a friend. Now, this friend comes to the house and A starts getting friendly with B, take it like that. In American way, I don't know how far they go or whatever way. That troubles the brother. He doesn't like it. That troubles the sister also, because she, she doesn't know how she stands, she becomes nervous. She's not sure as to how to go far with it. So the all the relations become confused and they don't know how to how to deal with each other, how to express themselves, how to behave in a manner, that the relationship between these three is again normal. And most of the society, societies, which are so abandon, if you go and really examine these people you'll be surprised that they're extremely nervous people. They say that if you have to make out an American among thousands, is very easy. His nose will be twitching, his eyes will be going like this, his hands will be going like that, of course not Sahaja Yogis, and it's very easy to make it out. The reason is: he's all the time on tentacles. He doesn't know what his sister is doing, what his mother is doing, what his wife is doing or the other way round also for a woman. That's why the maximum number of breast cancers are in America. With all this advancement, if you see the statistics, the maximum number of patients are here. So apart from ego and superego, the worst thing that has happened to these modern societies is that, that they have lost their innate understanding of purity. That innate understanding in Sahaja Yoga now you have got it. So try to develop it and flower it, so the fragrance of that innocence will make each other very happy and such a kind of a security. One feels so secure. And that's why it is a Raksha Bandhan, that the protection of a brother and a protection of a sister. All the time you know, my brother is there, after all, my sister is there. A kind of a very pure, beautiful feeling, that I have somebody to protect me. And this beautiful feeling, if it's nurtured, looked after, in a wider way in Sahaja Yoga, then you feel absolutely, absolutely secure. Like one lady went to Sicily, she is a Sahaja Yogini and there's another one from another corner went down to Sicily. They were sitting apart from each other in a restaurant. And she just looked at her and she looked at her and they just felt they were both Realized Souls. So she just came on by, she said, ' By the way, have you heard about Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi?' She said, 'Are you a Sahaja Yogini?" She said, ' I am.''I'm also Sahaja Yogini.'They hugged each other, kissed each other. See normally, if it is done with a woman, here they will call her something else. But, they described, 'Mother, we started crying. We both we are feeling lonely there, and we started crying.' Such beautiful relation. But if any such I mean I was surprised that ah.. maybe some people came to India and said, ' Oh my God, here all the girls are holding each other's hands!' I said, " Why? What, whose hands they should hold then?" First I couldn't understand and they were surprised. How are they holding each other's hand? So, I mean, at everybody is a target. Everybody is looked into as if he is a dirty fellow. Whether it's a man or a woman, whether it is a relationship between man and man or woman and woman. I mean it's filth. It's dirt. So we have to get out of it. And to get out of it we must understand that, relationship are only enjoyed if they are pure. And also, say in a sap of the tree is rising. Now the sap has to give something to the leaves. Instead of giving that to the leaves, it starts giving that green chlorophyll, say to the flower. The flower will become green and the, I don't know if the leaves will also survive this kind of misplacements. So, whatever relationship you have to give to anyone, has to be pure and meticulous about it, that what relationship you have to give. For example, I am your Guru. So, the relationship between you and Me is precise. So, supposing you say, ' What does it matter, I can go and sit in Mother's lap?' You cannot. You cannot do it. Though I mean, it's a pure relationship, still you cannot, or, ' I might put my feet towards my Mother.' I cannot, because these all relations must be understood in its pure forms. Even in electricity you see now, supposing this is a fan running here, and you got a plug, now supposing you put that plug in your nose, will it run? It looks absurd, but that is what it is. All these modern ideas are like this, that you are putting the plug into the nose. And the handkerchief, instead of the nose, it goes into that plug. It is so absurd and it is so useless. And it shows how idiotic people have become. So, we should know what is the relationship we have with this, with each other, what is the relationship we have in the collective, how do we behave. Of course, in the collective way, always, the girls will pull the legs of boys and boys will pull the legs of the girls, is all right, and can go on among themselves also, is all right. But as long as there is purity, nobody will mind. They' ll all enjoy. But as soon as it becomes perverted, then the problems start and, in Sahaja Yoga, these useless problems has taken away so much of My energy that I am now fed up with it. Really fed up! Somebody writes to Me from there, ' Mother, I have suddenly fallen in love with somebody.' Now recently, there was a boy, he was married, from England, married to a girl, a girl from India. And there was a lady, who was married, maybe I don't know quite what should I call her, she's not a lady anymore, married to French man. She went to France, lived with him and came back. Now, he's an English boy. They, before marriage, they were just friends and all right, and after they got married, both of them started living together. And I can't understand. Before marriage, it never entered into their head. After marriage, why this has entered into their head? 'Mother, we don't know what to do now.' You see, that, that French boy is fed up, he said, ' I have nothing to do with this but for this Indian girl, what to do, what am I to tell her?' Because for her, he's her husband. Because Indians are not like this, to put the plug- in- the- nose- type, you see. So she cannot understand. And, she does not know what to say and I don't know what to tell her. How to solve his problem? It is such a funny problem now. This French boy found her out in no time, is just given up. But now, such a headache, such a ...This boy came to see Me, this English boy, discussing with Me till 2:30 in the night and then directly I said, " Now if you don't get away now, I'll beat you," so he ran away. He came inside, directly inside. " Now, it's 2:30, will you please get out from there?" And what he was telling Me, ' I know, I know. This is wrong. I know this is wrong. I know I am putting the plug into my nose. '"All right then?"'But, I have been struggling with myself for six months. I don't know what to do with myself.'I said, "But are you possessed?"He said, ' No, but I know.' They think, in these Western societies, that once they say, ' I know, I am doing wrong, I know, I am doing,' then finished! You have confessed to God, you have confessed to everyone. 'I know this is wrong, but I am doing it.' But till 2:30 was just saying this to Me. I said, " But what is the solution?"'I know there is no solution, I know, and whatever I did, I understand, I know.'"What do you understand? Now, give Me the solution."'I don't know.'So I told him that, "Really I am so fed up with you that I have decided I'll have no more marriages, because you have no sense of marriage. Till you got married, you were all right. You were nice to her. You wrote one letter to her and suddenly now, how have you fallen together?"He said, ' It was spontaneous, got spontaneous. This girl came to place where I was working for something and I met her. Finished. That's all.' He knew this girl before, they were together, everything was there, nothing happened. Suddenly, what has happened? Now, what I gather that Western society is built up against marriages, against families. To be married, according to them, is a sin. And once you are married, to get out of the sin you must do something like that. Because they live together, for days together, and once they marry, immediately they think of divorce. Because marriage is now so much connected with property, money, this, that, nonsense. That the whole thing has become so gross, and after marriage, there's no question of love, because how much money goes, how much part of the house goes, how many things are mine, how many? The whole thing has become so materialistic, such marriages can never be successful.But in Sahaja Yoga we marry for our ascent. And we have to respect our marriages and to respect our chastities with our brothers and sisters. Those people who try, to somehow or other ruin the purity of collectivity, I assure you, will be in very great trouble, henceforth. I think every sort of divine punishment comes after every period. And now, I've started feeling with My experience that any such absurd manifestation of impurity, I need not say anything about it. There is a divine punishment and of a very horrible nature. Now I've got three to four] experiences and I think it has already started. It's nice, there is today is a day when I can talk to you about it. I can't help it. I think periodically some new ideas of punishments have been started by this divine power. And for people who behave like this, I have seen there are terrible things. So, please do your soul- searching. Find out if there are any impure feelings, try to throw them away. And know that you are not possessed by such funny ideas. If you start developing a deeper understanding, then you will not be attracted by superficial things. And you won't be distracted from your path. There was one girl in India, was very dark, say, I couldn't call her in anyway beautiful. She's tall but she's very, very dark. There's somebody who was all right for her age, so, I asked him, I said, "She's not suitable for you. But, you can have a look at her." He saw her and he said, 'Mother, I want to marry her. I feel so tranquil in her company. Such beautiful vibrations!' So once you develop your deeper side, then you do not see all the superficial thing, but you see the vibrations of the person and once you start seeing the vibrations, you'll be surprised that if these relationships are not all right, your vibrations will stop. You won't feel the vibrations. You must know, that Chaitanya is a living energy which thinks, which knows, which understands, everything! So if you are getting wrong ideas about somebody and if you try to see vibrations, you'll get heat, automatically. It's a computer which thinks, the information that is filled into this computer, it refills itself. Such a computer. As soon as you start feeling the vibrations of such a person, immediately you feel that there are no vibrations or there's heat. But supposing you are unnecessarily suspicious and unnecessarily you are trying to trouble yourself, then also, same thing will happen. You have got, of course Realization, you have got great qualities. You are not even aware as to what you've got so easily. You've got the knowledge also so easily and didn't have to go to college or anything and you are capable of so many things, but remember, that the power that is within you is cleverer than you and anything you try to do, which is not correct, which is not righteous, which is not holy, it will try to correct you. So, try to be a deeper person. Try to understand what is behind this person, what is the spiritual quality of this person and then only you will know that pure relationships are so fragrant and so beautiful. I really enjoy you people because you have such pure relationships among yourselves and such understanding. May God bless you. Today, so much Puja has been done, but for this thing there is never a Puja as such. Today we'll do the Puja, so what we have to do is just a Ganesha Puja on My feet. That's the only thing we can do because it's the quality of Ganesha. The quality of Ganesha, which is expressed, and the protection of Shri Ganesha. It is He who does this. Even if your Brother may not be there, He'll look after you. Because He's the First One born to Me and He's your Brother. He's the Eldest Brother you have. So this is His purity, His innocence, which is giving you the protection. So what Puja you can do today is just a Ganesha Puja, it's sufficient because He stands for purity. I wish I could show you a photograph that I have of Shri Ganesha Himself. Actually He's behind Me, actually He's there as He is, because you see it was a, it was a Shiv Puja, Shivratri and they had done all kinds of Himalayas and all that behind Me and this is the only photograph, He really appeared, so sweetly. See His eyes, when they said Niranjan. He is just so innocent and He has pulled out His trunk also little bit, so that I should not be in anyway hurt by any possibility. [Unclear word] I didn't see Him. But it's on (Mother corrects Herself) only in this photograph He is there.

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Public Program "Canadadesha". Vancouver (Canada), 11 August 1990. Some people who cannot sit can come down here if they want, could be comfortable. Please. I think Sahaja Yogis should give them way. Please come, there's lot of room here, on the stage please. I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to understand that truth is what it is. We can not conceptualize it. We can not organize it and we can not know it at human awareness. If we had known that truth at human awareness there would have been no problem. There would have been no second opinion and there would have been no quarrel, no problems and we all would have been in the realm of peace and joy. But what we see today is that we are moving towards some sort of derailment and we do not know where we are going and what is the end of our civilization. These are modern times and special times where so many are aware of this kind of a destructive force working on us and suddenly they have become alerted and they want to know what is beyond it. What is the truth? As I have already stated that you can not know the truth at human awareness. Of course, whatever I am going to tell you, you have to keep an open mind about it. Like Scientist you must listen to Me as if it's some sort of a hypotheses. But If I prove it then I am sure as honest people you have to accept because it is for your benevolence, it is for the benevolence of this country, benevolence of the whole world. It's a understanding that I want you to be at, that we have to know something more about ourselves and about the whole collective problem that is today before us. So the knowledge that I am going to give you about is the knowledge of the roots. You have the knowledge of the tree that the civilization has grown like a very, very big tree and if we do not know our roots this civilization can be completely destroyed. In the eyes of the divine no body is divided like Indians, Canadians, English. They are all the same creation of the divine power. Now we talk of God, we talk of Love, I was reading God is love. But by saying that why should people believe you? Is there God or not? Is it true or not? We have to establish it. We have to prove it and unless and until we prove it, it is not going to be accepted by the progeny. Nobody is going to take it as if some sort of a blind faith. All right you were born in this religion so you follow it whether it is Christianity, Hinduism, Islam or anything. So we have to awaken ourselves into that new awareness by which we can know the absolute truth and we can know that divine power which is surrounding us. All this compartments that we have made around ourselves will break and we'll see the dawn of a new era where we will know that all of us are capable of achieving that great height of awareness. Of course, you can not pay for it. Nowadays there are so many in the market who are selling divine gifts. You can not sell it. As Christians we have to realize that Christ didn't sell anything. On the contrary, he took a big hunter to hit the people who were selling things at the gate of the temple. So those people who are selling or marketing things can not be anywhere near divinity because divine doesn't know money. Money is a creation of human being and this is where I fail to see in the West a response to Sahaja Yog. I mean actually people told Me that we can not understand anything which does not require money. We have to little bit get out of this and understand that divine can not be purchased, can not be sold, it is just to be enjoyed. There is a system built-in within us. I don't know if they have shown you ... yes, it is there. Inside ourselves there is a very beautiful system built-in during our evolutionary process. One by one gradually it was built-in within us and that is how now we have become human beings. There is a little bit more gap we have to cross over so that we jump into that new awareness. As they must have told you about, that there is a power within us, which is called as the Kundalini. And if it is awakened, it passes through six centers, piercing through our fontanel bone area and gives you Self Realization, meaning like this instrument is here and unless and until it is connected to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way we are to be connected to that force which has created us. And that has to be, that has to extremely simple because it is so vital. Like our breathing is so important, so it is so vital and it is absolutely free. We don't have to go and read books for that. Especially happening of this Kundalini is an extremely easy thing and it works out very fast and in thousands and thousands of people it has worked and I am sure in Canada it has to work. It is rather the desire to become a Self-Realized soul than anything else that is important. If you have a strong desire to be connected with that divine power by which you know absolute truth. That's all is needed and it works so fast because this power is the power of pure desire. All our desires that we seek are not satiable, in general. One desire gets satisfied we run after another, another desire gets satisfied we run after another. So now there is a desire within us which if is satisfied then we get the satisfaction that we wanted. With this awakening of the Kundalini, which has been worked out now for eighteen years because I have been working for the last eighteen years, I should say twenty years as such because I started my work in 1970. We have seen that people get cured of incurable diseases. How does it happen, that these centers which are the sources of energy within us are exhausted when we use them too much either on the left or on the right. As the result of that exhaustion causes physical, mental, emotional diseases from which we suffer. So now supposing you have any physical disease that physical disease can be cured if energy supplied to that part of the body. So when the Kundalini rises this center gets nourished which is being exhausted and when the Kundalini is connected to the mains, all the time the energy is flowing within you, you get all right. And there are diseases, which are somatic and there are diseases, which are psycho. That is the diseases are caused by, supposing you go to a wrong guru there will be a problem, a person who spoils your psyche. There are so many ways these days we spoil our psyche, drugs and other things that we do which spoil the psyche and the person start going into the habit of getting more and more dominated by those habits. So when the Kundalini rises She brings the attention in the center, by which the left side habits are cured. And so your psychic troubles are also cured. Your habits are cured and then there is another type of disease we have, what we call as psychosomatic, these are the diseases like cancer, say Aids, all viruses, all kinds of multiple sclerosis and all such diseases, they are also caused by the imbalance in your attention, by the imbalance in your being. So when you come into balance these can be cured, very easily without taking any medicines, without going to any doctor, without doing anything special. The whole system is built-in within you, which works it out. But you have to take it up seriously because supposing you have to go for medicine. I don't know what is the course here is. But in India if you have to do medicine you have to put in really fourteen to fifteen years, precious fourteen-fifteen years of life to get only a graduation. But for this you don't have to because once the Kundalini rises and you get balanced and then you feel the joy and the peace within yourself. Gradually you settle down and you become a master. You become yourself knowledgeable because on your finger tips you start feeling the cool breeze and you can feel it in another person, what's the matter with his Chakras or what is the problem he is facing, on your finger tips and it's all said in Quran, imagine, Mohammed Saab has said that at the time of resurrection your hands will speak, of course the Muslims are not worried about the future part, they want to just talk about the past and they don't want to think of resurrection, same about the Christians. Christ has said I will send you the Holy Ghost. But they are not looking out for the Holy Ghost. Same about Hinduism, in every religion it is said that such and such time will come when you will get your Self-Realization. But people are not looking for that because those who are in-charge are money oriented. And they want to mislead you by saying that if you don't do this you are a sinner, if you don't do that is a sinner but they don't give any solutions to the problem and there is a very big solution within us, this one and that really helps us to overcome all this ignorance which is created by the vested interest. Now this Kundalini when it rises it as I told you it solves your physical, mental, emotional problems, also it solves your social problems because you start understanding the relationship of other people. Like, now, you are sitting here and there is no light. We don't know how we relate to each other. But when there is light we can see for ourselves how we are related, how we are trodding on another's freedom, how we are behaving and the whole thing becomes a very enlightening experience and that enlightenment is not harsh, it's beautiful, it is love. And, then you realize that you have got the power to feel like a computer the absolute truth. You can feel it on your fingertips what's wrong with you, what's wrong with others. Now if you know how to correct it you are all right, not only that but you become a powerful personality, a dynamic personality without feeling any tension about it. Tension comes because you have imbalances but when you are balanced and when you are connected to the mains and all the time the energy is flowing into you there is no question of tensions. We have no tensions and you are in a joyous condition because you become Self-Realized means you become the truth that is that you are the Spirit. You become the Spirit. And when you become the Spirit, the Spirit as it is said, it's a fact that is the source, first of all of knowledge. Like a person comes, say, it's happened, I've seen many people who came from jail, they have no credibility of any kind, they wear some sort of a funny dress, appear in the square and people just start calling him a guru and such a guru starts minting money out of you and head along people go towards that person and think it is a very big thing. Another one comes and says that I am such and such and I have these powers and that power you just believe into that person, pay him money and get lost. Like these there are no norms to find out what is the truth and what is not the truth but of course, you can find out one thing, that a person who takes money, how can he be related to God? How can he be related to Divine? Anything that works on money cannot be relationship with God. Of course, now for example, this hall has to be, say, hired, all right, the Canadian Sahaja Yogis, we have many have hired it. Formally, in the beginning I used to hire them but now they are hiring it, that's a different point but for Self-Realization you cannot pay. That happening is absolutely a living process of our evolution. And this evolution, that we are at a human level we haven't paid anything. So why should we pay for anything that beyond this. It is a living process, of a living energy, of a living God. So one has to understand, first of all, that at a very ordinary level also that you can not pay for God. You can not pay for Divine. You can not purchase it and the second is you can not put any effort. It's an effortless happening, just like sprouting of a seed. It is an effortless happening which takes place and when it takes place, then you just know yourself, you certify yourself. You don't have to have others to certify that this is this, this is that. And you don't take false certificate. For example, somebody might say, "All right, I am born again." By taking such a certificate you do not become. It is not that any organization can give a certificate. It's a state of be-ing. You have to be that in that state, only, honestly you have to be that otherwise just to say that I am such and such, it's cheating yourself. What's the use? It's not going to help you. It's not going to help others. So first of all you must understand that it is the becoming that is important. It's not what people are saying about themselves, talking about themselves. Like there are some people, the other day I met who were selling lots of Geeta. I asked what's the use of reading Geeta? It's all bookish knowledge. To read Geeta also you have to have Self-Realization. And then I met some people who were selling Bibles. Now we have been selling Bibles for ages. What's the use? To read Bible also, to understand Christ also, you have to have Self-Realization. Otherwise you can not understand what He said and all of them have said one thing that you must have your second birth. You are to be born again. But that again one can use it as a placard saying we are born again. So we should not cheat ourselves. What's the use of cheating ourselves? Tomorrow some disease comes in, some trouble comes in, tomorrow our children take to drugs or do something wrong, they go and murder people, all kinds of violence then who is responsible? We, because we have avoided to know about the truth and it's all there built-in within us, it's just there, which we have to have. So now, the first quality of the Spirit is that you become knowledgeable, Knowledgeable about anything. For example, somebody says that there is no God. Say, in Russia I went, of course, the Russians are some or other, the government is horrible but the people are really their attention is so good that they just touched it, and thousands and thousands. You won't believe that in Moscow I never had less than fourteen thousand people or Leningrad same thing. In Kiev I had nothing less than five thousand to six thousand people. And the Government itself took it so seriously that, I mean they invited about six hundred doctors. I read it in the paper they have put it only three hundred, it may sound big but the fact is about six hundred doctors came in and two hundred great scientists who have done Sputnik and all that and they all surprisingly asked for one thing 'Mother give us Realization. We want to have our Self-Realization.' So what I feel, whatever I've read about Russian writers is that there has been always a soul searching within themselves. If you read any one of them you will find there is a soul searching and they find out what am I doing? Is it correct? Why should I do it? What is the problem? And that soul searching within themselves is because they have no choices, like we have here in our countries all kinds of freedom. We waste our energy in finding out what breakfast we will have, what lunch we will have, what dinner we have, what sort of a blouse we should wear. I mean such a lot of waste of energy, it's a joyless pursuit. While they don't have that chance not that they are not well off, I would say they dress up well, they have good clothes. They live well. They have all nice houses. Everybody who is married gets a house. But they always felt that they are not free to get to their Spirit. And that's what they were struggling. As soon as they saw Me, there is no place for false gurus. Nobody wants them. When I spoke to them in one of the seminars they had a yoga seminar, when I walked out everybody came out and there were other gurus who had come, nobody was there in the hall to talk to them. They are so keen and so alert that they know that you can not pay for it. And there is no hanky panky about it just telling stories this will happen that will happen. And now in all Eastern Block you will be surprised Sahaja Yoga is spreading very fast. Bulgaria we had fifteen thousand people, fifteen thousand people in Bulgaria, so you can imagine. I have to also go to Romania, I've not been there but there are, those Sahaja Yogis who went there have written to Me that they got five thousand people. Sahaja Yogis got it. So you can imagine how fast they are moving and the day may come they might become very powerful people than we are. We have become weak. We have become very weak internally. Externally we have money, we have good roads, good telephones, everything but internally we are weak because first of all we can not get over our habits. Secondly there are all kinds of negative forces working on us. And we are so vulnerable we do not know how to fight it out. So it's better that we become the Spirit to know the knowledge, to have the knowledge about what is good and what is bad. The second thing about Spirit is that when it comes into your attention you become enlightened, in the sense there is light and you see the truth. For example, you are standing with a snake in your hand and it's all darkness, you can't see, I tell you it's a snake throw it away but you will not listen to Me. You will say why, why, what's wrong. I mean many people have told Me what's wrong, what's wrong if you are doing this what's wrong, till that snake bites them they will hold it on. So you put on the light. As soon as you put on the light they will drop the snake by themselves. This is what I say that you become your own guru and you follow your own understanding with the light of the Spirit within you, which is your own. But this enlightened attention works, it acts. You can close your eyes and find out about anyone what's the matter with that person. And if you know how to cure that person it can work out. You do not know how this Divine power works. This, all pervading Divine power is the most efficient government, the most efficient, we can call the housewife, the most efficient father, mother everything. Anything that you need is done so beautifully that you are amazed and so many miracles happened that you are amazed, how, what have I done, why am I so much blessed. I had asked people to write about their miracles because they used to write letters after letters and I've no time to write so I said you write to somebody about the miracles and let him take out a book. Now the pile has gone this way and this way and it lost in that pile. He said Mother what am I to do, is such a lot. So we have to know that we are special people. Human beings are at the epitome of the evolution and that a little more is going to give you the meaning of what you are. So this enlightened attention makes you aware of your powers also by which you can give Realizations to others. You can correct them, you can cure them, and you can give them peace and joy as you have the joy. Now you see these people they are mostly Canadians here or Americans. Now to teach one sentence of English is very easy and to teach the whole of English also is easier but to teach one word of Sanskrit is so difficult to an English man. They ruled us for three hundred years and we tried our level best to teach them some English and whenever they would come up and speak something we would say what language are they speaking. We couldn't understand the language. So it so very difficult to pronounce this Sanskrit as well as the Indian languages. But the way these people sing, I mean in India people can't understand how they have picked up this difficult language, this difficult music, this difficult rhythm. How they have done it and they sing, if you hear from outside, you won't believe that they are Canadians were singing. You think they are just some Indians some very good singers from India singing. How have they got it? It is because of the new dynamism they have developed in their creativity and we have so many artists and musicians who have really, as you say touch the roof, they have hit the roof, like in their fame, in their success, in their creativity. So you become extremely creative but you become very humble. You are not egotistical, you do not force your things on to others, but automatically because you are so good that you shine. There are so many artists especially in India musicians who have achieved great heights with Sahaja Yoga. And it has to work out everywhere that we should understand the essence of music and how it really soothes human beings by which you will, not for success but it is just for expression, work out but automatically it becomes successful. Now this is not only that I'm trying to lure you to some ideas. But what I am trying to tell you within you lies all these powers and if you have not utilize and if you have not make use of that and then you are unhappy no body can help it. It is all there which you have to have. Now the Spirit gives you the knowledge of truth. Spirit gives your attention the light and Spirit is the source of joy, as if you were getting drown in the waves of your thoughts and worries and problems. Suddenly you find you are in a boat and you are enjoying everything. You are seeing it. When you see your problem you can solve it better and there is the Divine power to solve all the problems that you have, then you learn how to swim. You can jump into the same waves, which have bothered you and save other people and so a new dynamic personality you develop because you become collectively conscious about which Jung has written that now human beings will become collectively conscious. It is the consciousness, which is expressed in our central nervous system by which you can feel the other. Now my hand, this hand if it is hurt the another hand can feel it, the whole body will feels it and tries to help. Now who is the other when everybody is a part and parcel of the whole, who is the other? For example, we were going to have a program here and you will be amazed we have people even from Austria who just came, they had holidays so they just came running to help the Canadian people here that they are very few. So better run down and help them. We have people all over the world. Sahaja Yoga is working in forty countries. And when I went to Russia it is so gratifying to know that the first people who came to Russia to help the Russians were twenty five Germans. And the Germans were so gentle, so beautiful you won't believe that their fore fathers fought with that horrible fellow Hitler. No, they are so gentle, so beautiful and when I saw them working on these Russians with such love, with such attention, with such understanding. I felt that it's another world they're existing, which is so beautiful and so nice. In one program I don't know how much I can tell you about it and we have here a proper Ashram where you can go. We have here people who have their programs where you can go. But their complaints are that Mother when You come, I don't know what happens they come to Your program all right but after that they never come and they get lost. I just don't know why is it so because you just what I can do today is like a sprouting of the seed but after that you have to grow into a tree. Unless and until you grow into the tree it's a myth as in your Parable of Christ some fell on the rocky areas. Some fell in the marshy areas like that. It should not be. It should be it fell into areas where people prospered and became great trees. Let Canada take over. I think Americans I'm quite disappointed. I don't know what's wrong with them. They only like falsehood. All the false gurus are prospering there. All kinds of false things they like. A lady is there. She is been into lesbianism, put some sort of a drama and they are all attracted towards her, can't understand how can lesbianism anything to do with Kundalini. Kundalini doesn't understand these things. No where in the ancient books written like this about Kundalini. But this lady is out of the blue has started using all these ticks and there are so many running after her, paying her money. She has built up big, huge amount of properties and things like that, and this is not the way to do it. Why, when I say I don't take money they will immediately ask Me then what about who pays for your travel? Mostly My husband pays, no doubt, he has been paying. Well, you don't want Me to pay for your salvation, like if I go to Russia they pay for My travel. The government pays for Me, but otherwise wherever I go I have to pay for Myself, most of the time. But even then they come to this that even when you eat your food who pays for that? It is like this. So where they have to criticize they do not. Where they don't have to criticize they criticize. And head along, thousands have gone to this TM business. Now this TM is another horrible thing that has killed so many people has made them recluses. I have got so many patients from there who are suffering from all kinds of troubles. But people go head along to such things which has money you have to pay such a lot they don't mind. As I belong to another life also, you must be knowing. Ah! In that life, I find I just keep quiet listening to people. They say, "Oh! That guru is good but you know he is very expensive but he is quite good. He is expensive." So, a sort of a guru shopping is going on. We should not be stupid in life. Stupidity never pays, never pays. We have to be alert. God has given us brains to understand and we should not waste our precious lives this human life, like this. I have to just tell you that I feel sometimes so unhappy even when I went to Russia and Eastern block I saw so many people getting Realization and working it out, thousands of them. We don't know how to manage. The government is giving us all the help, everything still we don't know how to put them up, in a big, say in a stadium, always we have programs. So how to manage all that big group and how to create people who will go and work it out. It's such a problem for us. But in the West I find people have no value for that, no value at all. It's such a beautiful life, just awaiting at your door but we have no value, no value, waste it on useless things. I have to tell you as a Mother that please be concerned about it. What's happening to our children? What's happening to our families, what's happening to our nation? This Ecological problem, all these can be solved in no time once you reach that state and we have to have more people to reach that state and to get to it. So May God bless you, in this short time whatever was possible I have told you. I would like to also have some questions from you but the questions should be relevant. I have not come here to take any money. I have not come here to take anything from you. I am not asking for votes. I am not a politician. I have come here to give you what you have. This is your own. This is your own property, which I have come to give you, to tell you about it. So it should be relevant and sensible and I would like to answer your questions and then we can have the session of Realization, which will take hardly ten minutes. So please have patience with yourself. I have lot of patience but you must have patience and just ask Me questions which are sensible, not aggressive. Thank you very much. Questions and answers - (Questions can not be heard but Shri Mataji is answering to a question.) Ah! There is nothing to be done, just now. It will be all awakened just now. After that, once the Kundalini is awakened you have to see where you are lacking in, what centers are not all right, which you will yourself know. You have to come to our programs that they have here and you have to see for yourself what's wrong with you and you should correct yourself. Then gradually you become the master. To give an analogy I'll tell you like this, first you get into the car to learn driving, all right, so there is an accelerator and also there is a brake. So first you start accelerator, break both and you go I mean in every way wrong and then gradually you start improving on it. And when you improve on it you find it suddenly that you have become a driver. Now you can drive. You can balance both the things left and right side but still you are a driver. So there is the master sitting behind. Now that master is telling you do this, go there, here there. Suddenly while doing all that you become the master and when you become the master you see within yourself the driver, the brake and the accelerator and you know how to handle the whole situation. It's like this. So it is a gradual development within you, which you do it and you have to come to our center, carefully and pay some time, that's all. You have to give some time. Time is very important. But is the most important because you have to now use it for your inner development. We have watches in the hand. All the time watching one minute, two minutes, three minutes and what do we do with it? Where do we spend the time? Either may be in the pub or in the ball or maligning somebody or doing all kinds of nonsensical, destructive things. But, if we have watches, it is for what? It is for us to save time for meditation. But meditation is needed only about five-seven minutes in the morning and ten minutes in the evening, not much time. But you must come to the collective, because it's a happening in the collective. Like, supposing My nail is broken and I take it out, then the body doesn't look after it. So, there is where people do not understand and they do not come back and then they get lost. Next program I come in, they said, "Mother you cured me. All right, of this thing I was cured, but now I have got this problem." So, all My life I'm curing them and all My time is wasted like that. So best thing is that you become the doctor; you become everything. Why don't you become? You all can become that; you all have that power. So you get it. So you don't have to do anything just now. You all have to ... I'll just tell you how we are going to nourish our centers and we are going to get our Realization. I am very happy to know that you are anxious to do something about it. May God bless you! Nice to see such people! Question: For somebody who is not here and who is really sick, can You help them? Shri Mataji: I can, but main thing is, you see, that such a person you can help him. First of all, you get all right. You know all about it and then you can go and help that person, because the best thing is that your knowledge will improve as you help that person, gradually. It's very practical, and it all helps. All right? Question: You talk about our habits and weakness and how to overcome that. Can You talk a little bit more about it? Shri Mataji: See, we are weak because we are ignorant first of all. As I told you, we are holding the snake and there's darkness and in that darkness we don't see that this is going to bite us. But, when you become enlightened, you become a very powerful, dynamic person, absolutely. And you separate yourself from your habits. You see it very clearly. Then you don't talk that "I have this habit or that habit." You don't say like that. Like a person would come and say, "Mother, you know, my Agnya is catching; this chakra is catching. That means I have too much ego." But they don't say, "I have ego." I mean if you tell somebody, "You have ego," they'll hit you hard, isn't it? But if a person gets it, he feels it. And he says, "Mother, I have too much problem with the Agnya Chakra so please clear it up." So, if you have any habits - say supposing there are people who used to take drugs. In the beginning I had horrible people in England, about seven of them, all drug addicts and things. Of course, very well-educated, professors and things, but all drug addicts, hippies and violent people, really. When they came to Me, it was not easy to handle them. But they are today the foundation of Sahaja Yoga. Wonderful people they are. Now what happened, they said, "We want to get rid of it but we can't. We just can't help it." But you will be amazed, overnight they gave up, overnight. Just it happens because you see the light and you throw the snake, just happens. You don't have to think about it, just happens. I never tell them these Ten Commandments - don't do this, don't do that. Don't tell them. Just it works from within. Why should I tell them? Why should I give them a lecture? There's no need. They themselves become their own master and the mastery is that the master cures and gives you powers. You develop that dignity; it's remarkable what happens. To Me, it's not a surprise because I know what you are. You are so glorious. It's like you take a small little, say a television to a remote corner of India and in some village and show them and say that "Here is a place, this box will show you all the kinds of music and all kinds of dramas and this." They say, "What? This box? How is it going to work out?" And, you put it to the mains and it starts working and they say, "It's fantastic." It's like that. We are fantastic, we are glorious but we have yet to be connected, that's all. It just happens, you don't have to force yourself, you don't have to do anything. It just works. The inner force works it out. Anything else? Such nice people have come today, I am very happy. They are asking such nice questions. [Applause] Really, wonderful! But you must promise that you all will prosper in a proper way and work it out because it's a waste then I feel. You know I was so enamored by the Russians and the Eastern Bloc people because not that they only come to My lecture, not that they only listen to Me, but they work it out. And they are moving everywhere. Now people have moved to Siberia and all these far-fetched places. They have taken the whole map. They brought the whole map before Me and said, "Mother, now tell us where should we go." They have gone all out. So must understand the importance of it. It's not just like going to one lecture or to another lecture. This is one thing you have to promise in your heart that "Mother, we'll all become great trees." You have such great trees here. God has created such beautiful thing here. Why not in Canada we should have some great personalities, great saints? Now, any other question? Question: In order to develop realization, if you're not living somewhere close to where there is a center then what do we do? Shri Mataji: There's no need to depend on Me. We have people here who are experts, who have really become masters. And, they will definitely help you so it doesn't matter. I am always with you. Whenever you think of Me, you'll know I am with you and you can always write to Me. There's nothing to feel that I'm away from you, that ... maybe that is the reason people don't go further with it. But as you trust Me, you trust yourself. You must trust yourself. You must have faith in yourself that you are quite capable and you can do it. You can do it and that there are people who will help you. They are very humble, sweet, beautiful people. You will like them and they'll all help you till you become perfect. Such love, I tell you. Same thing [someone interrupts]. Children? Children are the best, children are the best for Sahaja Yoga. They take to Sahaja Yoga in no time. Most of the children these days are born realized and we have to just understand them. So many children are born realized. Children are the best to understand Sahaja Yoga, to work it out and they just of a very high level, I should say. Like the other day there was a child who was receiving a phone. He said, "Oh, it's all right. You are not a yogi." Puts it down the phone. So I said, "How do you know?" "Mother, he had no vibrations. How could I know? Why should I talk to him? Let it be, I put down the phone." Question: Mother, is it a symbol of Your photograph that gives vibrations? The willpower [can't understand the rest of the question] Shri Mataji: It's true. My photograph luckily has some sort of a coefficience that it emits vibrations. I mean, I would like anybody else's photograph if it does, because it's a good idea; but I don't think there's anyone like that, because none of the incarnations and none of the saints were photographed. It's very surprising, nobody was photographed. At the most, and also, nobody was portrayed in their lifetime, because you know what happened to all the saints and to all the incarnations: when they lived, everybody was after their lives. No question of having so many people. I mean, even Christ had hardly twelve people and how they tortured His life! Actually, if you see His public life, He lived hardly for three and a half years and they crucified Him. So, this is what the world was. It's not so bad now. I mean, nobody is going to crucify Me, but still there were no photographs. So, the modern times has another advantage that they have photographs, and they will show you lots of beautiful photographs and things which will stun you. But that will be later on, you can see. But even this is such an advantage that I can talk to so many people. And aeroplane is such an advantage that I can travel all over the world. Everything is such an advantage today. The communication have improved so much that I could come to Canada. Can you imagine Christ coming to Canada? [Laughter] So, I mean, see the whole advantage is there and in Russia I have given realization to people on television, on television. But they are extremely sensitive people, extremely sensitive. I mean, in the program when we had the scientists, one of the scientist got up and said, "But Mother, please tell us how You cure people when they only attend Your program when they are so many." I said, "I don't know if I've cure people." But they are so sensitive. Their spirituality is just there. It touches so fast. We can say that they are very, very ultra-modern sensitive instruments. Just touch them and it works. It's rather surprising. Their attention is so good. Their attention is so good. So, that's what it is, it works. But if they can get it, you can get it. You can do it. But also, another problem in the West is that we are very guilty people. For nothing at all, we are extremely - one side we are destroying ourselves, that's one way and another is all the time we feel, 'I've done this wrong. I've done that wrong. Sorry, Sorry!' English language is full of it. So, we all the time start feeling sorry. There's no need to feel all that guilt and sin and all this nonsensical ideas. That really spoils the game for Me also. I have seen Americans are the worst. They are guilty for this and guilty for that. What is there to be guilty? After all, you are human beings and if you have done any mistakes, doesn't matter. After all you're not Gods. So what? If you have done mistakes, all right forget it. Forget the past. But this is also another problem of the West is: now their forefathers say came here and killed some Red Indians. Now, the forefathers are finished, they might have become Red Indians in this lifetime. They are not there. You are their children's children's children's children. Now why are you carrying on the jokes so far? But for everything they feel guilty - is another such a mental nonsense that please, before I start this program, I have to request you that don't feel guilty for anything. You have done nothing wrong. [Shri Mataji speaks aside] Also, there is another two-three people. Question: Is Gorbachev is a walk-in, which means that is he from some other place which is advanced soul? Shri Mataji: He is a realized soul, no doubt, he is. That's why it's working out. He knows Me very well. He is a realized soul. That you recognized him, I'm very happy to know that. He is and look at them, how lucky they are to have him there. And, he is a very sensible man, no doubt. Even Lenin was. Lenin was a realized soul, you will be surprised, but he was forced by all his party members. He was alone, you see. And, all of them forced him to take a course of line which was really proved later on. But whatever was his state, talked about stateless state and all that was his dream and that's coming true. He was also a realized soul. But he went onto a wrong line and it took so much time for them to come back and they had horrible despotic people, no doubt but the way the Gorbachev is doing is great and I have a rapport with him and he is a very great man, I must say. And he has tremendous respect for Me. Because we are of the same style, you can say, the same line, that's why. You, too, had in America. You had, say, Abraham Lincoln was a realized soul, no doubt. And, we had Mahatma Gandhi. We had many people, but they were singled out. They couldn't give realizations to others. They were singled out and they had to fight, but now you all can become realized souls. We have to have many more to get peace, to get joy, to get what we deserve. [Question: A lady seems to have some illness that doctors can't diagnose and is asking if Shri Mataji can help.] Shri Mataji: Yes, that's true. I am Myself a doctor. I've done medicine, Myself. I know that. It's difficult for them because they cannot raise the Kundalini. You see that's the problem is. Please sit down, I'll tell you. The medical science is, of course has reached a quite a lot of height and have understood anything, but the problem with the medical line is this: that when a tree is sick, you see, we treat the leaves but we cannot get to the roots, you see. But Sahaja Yoga is a thing that gets to the roots, and I'm not telling you off-hand, you see, there are three doctors who got their Ph.D. in India in Sahaja Yoga that they have cured people. There are seven doctors in London who are now writing down about how many people have been cured with Sahaja Yoga. But the problem is like this: like for in America, I cannot cure people because I will be arrested. If and if Christ goes there, He will be arrested. The medical science doesn't allow there, I mean, that anybody should cure anyone. Now, the problem is if you come to India nobody is allowed to come to India who suffers with AIDS and all such diseases. Big problem for the patient also. Even in England, you see, if we cannot say that we can cure them, lots of problems with the law. And, we cannot. But only thing those who get cured automatically, like we have the people who are Sahaja Yogis who had diseases, they have got their papers, everything, and then they are cured, then we note it down. India is the only place where I can start this curing business. But to be very frank, we are not in this business. We are not in the business of curing. What we are doing is to raise your Kundalini by which you get cured as a by-product. We are not doing curing. That's not our job. That's not what we do. And, also I must tell you the Divinity has common sense. A common sense in the sense that: now these lights are here, we know that particular bulb is not going to work. So nobody wants to cure. The Divine doesn't want to cure people who are not going to give lights, who are not going to get to Sahaja Yoga, means that their Kundalini doesn't rise. If their Kundalini doesn't rise, then how can we cure? That's the only way we can cure people. So there are limitations also that your Kundalini has to rise and then you can get cured. But there are many miracles which have happened. I don't know how people got cured. And there have been many cures, no doubt. And, it sounds very, very much fantastic that it can be cured through Kundalini awakening but it has happened. We have to accept the truth. As long as it helps, what does it matter? Yes, please? Question: What would be the effect of increasing number of Sahaja Yogis on the economic system and the lifestyle of the country where the increase of Sahaja Yogis takes place? Shri Mataji: Oh, it just triggers everything. For example, now what are our problems? We see the economic problems of this country is. I have understood it so well that we have so much of a, say, ores and all other things like silver we have here, and gold and all kinds of things we have, and the ones who are exploiting us are Americans and nobody sees the point. Nobody sees the point. While those who will get Sahaja Yogis, they will become so dynamic. They will put in their own industries here. Why send it?Why make cars in America? Why not make them here? So many things can happen because you become so dynamic and there's so many people to help you all over that this is what should happen. After all, you have all kinds of things available here. Why should you send your aluminum to America, to be drawn into wires and beaten into sheets? There's no need. We can do it ourselves. So this, you see, self-confidence that we can do it together and the collective feeling can give you such good ideas. And another point is that the way we are working out machines now. Now we have to understand that machines are for us. We have created machines and machines are to be used according to our need and we are not for machines. They are not to dominate us. So as much as we need we'll use machines otherwise we'll not use machines. And as a result, already it is happening that people don't like machine-made things and machine-made this thing. So they will go to the balancing state where they will take to more handmade things and handmade material. Now for a handmade things you don't have to have so many. Like, now we say in India, thank God, we are quite poor country, we can't afford to have so many machines. Thank God for that because now in a household they will have about, say, ten plates of brass or twelve plates of brass. Finished. We don't have to have so many crockery, cutlery, this, that, that breaks. Then, after that you have plastic. Because it breaks so you have plastics. So, you go on. The plastic is now mounting up, mountains after mountains we have created. So, you take more to practical side, very much practical and more to the natural. And in natural, it's nice to have one natural thing than to have ten plastics. Now people are realizing, I'm not saying they are not realizing it. But still there are machines sitting on top of us. And then the entrepreneurs, the entrepreneurs are very clever. Today they start one fashions, tomorrow another fashion, third day third fashion. England is another one who suffers a lot. For example, in a place like London, which is such a cold place, people have pants which have holes in it. They call it holy pants, you see. And now imagine, they developed varicose veins with that. Or they'll have tight pants. They have to do something about it. They have to feed their machines. So they will start this fashion or that fashion. Now, there's another fashion which is also very dangerous that people don't put any oil in their hair. Before taking a head bath, one can put easily some oil or before night they can put it. They are all getting bald. Once they get bald, them they'll sell their wigs. The same hair which are fallen off, they make wigs and sell it. They are befooling you. If you see little bit, you stand out and see how they are befooling you must, these entrepreneurs are. This is the fashion today, that is the fashion. I was seeing the children, we are now producing clothes for children, for example. The clothes are such horrible clothes. I mean, they call them... [Shri Mataji asks someone in Hindi, "What do they call such clothes now-a-days?"] ... trendy, trendy clothes. Children wear trendy clothes. They have no respect, respect for themselves. They don't respect themselves. If you give them trendy clothes, you see, they become like brats, and then you say they are brats. You make them brats from very childhood. You want them to be brats, you see. So,the whole system changes. Children become so beautiful, so dignified. Dress makes a person understand what is his personality is, isn't it? If you are just sort of careless about everything, you are not bothered and the way - I have seen also children and even the grown-ups walk as if you see the, it doesn't matter how you walk, you throw your legs this side, hands like that. That shows the personality, that this personality has no sense of dignity - how it has to walk, how they have to talk or things. So the whole thing has come down. Now, for example, English language now. I never studied English language but when I went to England, I was surprised the kind of English they are speaking. I mean, you don't know what sort of English they are speaking. And, really is impossible. At least, in Canada people speak better English, I tell you. You'll have a language problem, really. Because they, even people from Cambridge, they have developed such funny, funny intonations and funny pronunciation that it's impossible to cope with them. So this is what I'm trying to tell you: that once you get this balance, once you get this knowledge, you develop a balanced economy, you develop a balanced ecology, you develop everything in balance because all these imbalances has come through human beings. What is the source is a human being. You see, in the jungle if you go there's no imbalance. Only where human beings live there's imbalance. So once you get into balance, when you have more Sahaja Yogis, there will be more balance and you'll be surprised how things will work out. And, above all there is this Divine Power which is going to help you. Now, what do you want again? Question: Can we meditate now? Now, I hope you are finished with your questions, because if you finish with questions it's better because this mind, you know, is a funny thing. Suddenly, you're meditating, suddenly a thing will come, "Oh, I should have asked this question to Mother!" But as she says it's true that even if I answer all your questions, it's a mental acrobat. I can answer all your questions very well. I am good at it, but it is not going to raise your Kundalini. So no question, is better that you just see that what happens because it's a happening within yourself. It takes you without thinking about it. It takes you beyond the state where you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but the thoughts absolutely subside. And then ultimately you feel a cool breeze coming out of your head and you feel cool breeze all around you. This is what has to happen. And I'm very happy that she has pointed out that they are all waiting for it. And, there's no end to these talks and things. So, if you have any questions you may write to Me or you may give Me in writing, if you feel that it is such an important question. Then, of course, these people will definitely try to give you an answer for that. Now, I have I think in thousands My lectures are there and the tapes are available. But we do not give people the lectures and the books and things because once it starts the mental activity they just run into that. So, first of all develop yourself internally into that abstract stage and then if you read, it has some meaning. Otherwise, there are people who know everything about Sahaja Yoga but they can't do anything about it. Still there are two persons. Now these are the last two persons, all right? Now, what's it madam? Question: When do you feel the throbbing feeling when the Kundalini rises, when pulsation is there? You see, actually, Kundalini is in this jet age has become like a jet Kundalini. She just rises, She doesn't give you much throbbing or anything - normally, normally I'm saying. But if you have some troubles, some diseases, something, some obstructions, then it does throb a little. But you can feel it nicely on your head the cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area, very nicely, you see it, you feel it. So it is the throbbing of the Kundalini and all that are just like some sort of an obstructions or say, short circuiting but that can be corrected very easily. So, it's like a very nicely built, very efficiently built aeroplane, has a very smooth landing, like that Kundalini rises very beautifully. And, this is the blessing of the modern times, I think, that the Kundalini works out that way. There's one more, there was one gentleman. Question: The question is that once the Kundalini is awaken he's read that Kundalini can be if uncontrolled, if you don't know how to control it, can it harm you? You see, these books are written by people who have no idea of Kundalini. It's not like that. You see, this is just to sell something. It's marketing. Sell anything, any nonsense, there's nothing. She is your Mother. She is your individual Mother who's waiting to give you your second birth. Why will She trouble you? When you got your birth, your mother looked after everything, she, poor thing, went through all the labor pains and everything, she didn't allow you to suffer anything, she never wanted you to suffer. Did she? Then this is a pure Mother, your own individual Mother; She knows each and everything about you. It's all recorded in Her and She is not going to trouble you, and you are going to be controlled by Her in such a manner that She becomes your energy. She helps you. So, all these false ideas people have given, written books after books so that they can sell it. I haven't written any books so far. You'll be surprised, I've not written any books so far. Twenty years have past, I've written no books whatsoever. People have written about Me, people have written about Sahaja Yoga, they have written all this, but I have not yet written. I'll be writing. I hope so I get some time to write. But you see, what is important is that whatever written can be all nonsense. They can write anything about anything. First of all, you should know what it is. And now I have been going to various places, I have not seen it misbehaving anywhere or doing any harm to anybody. Of course, sometimes you do feel little heat in the body, that's all. That's the thing you feel little heat on your hands, that's all. But it's so little that it's negligible. So, be confident. First of all, before starting I have to tell you few things and one of them is that have faith in yourself. Have faith that you all are capable of getting your Self-realization. Please have that faith in yourself. You have faith in everything else but in yourself, that's wrong. Please have faith in yourself. That is first point. Now there are two conditions we have to fulfill before we get our realization. First condition is I have already told you, that not to feel guilty, forget the past. Not to feel guilty is very important because when you feel guilty, then the center here on the left side catches, Vishuddhi as they call it, and it's the worst thing that can happen because this is the center when it catches you get spondylitis, you get angina, all kinds of trouble with this center. But the worst thing is that the Kundalini cannot rise above this center. So, not to feel guilty. I assure you that you have done nothing wrong. You see, there are so many norms a society has created. Even if you put the fork on the other side you start thinking, "Oh God, what did I do?" You feel you are not sophisticated or you have done something like a murder. It's not that. It is just all these norms are artificially created, all these are artificial things. Somebody is very thin, he thinks, "Why should I be thin?" Somebody's fat, he says, "Why should I be fat?" But this is life's, whatever is there we have to accept our life as it is and there's nothing wrong in it. Nothing guilt. Whatever is there, whatever we have been doing, we have been doing as human beings. So, first and foremost condition is - absolutely you cannot compromise on that - is that you are not to feel guilty at all. Immediately, you'll feel better. All right, the second one is that you have to forgive everyone, forgive everyone because whether you forgive or you don't forgive, you don't do anything. You are living with a myth, all the time thinking, "Oh, I have to forgive this person, I have to forgive that person." There's no need to think like that. You don't also have to think about any individual, just in general you have to say, "I forgive everyone of them." And, that clears out this center, very clearly, this is the center of Christ, this clears out, and it's very easy for Me because this is a very constricted, it's the gate to the limbic area so that gate has to be widened and it has to be opened out. And so, just forgive everyone. And, you know it is a myth. You are playing into the wrong hands. So, this is another condition, you have to just accept. Then it's easier for Me to work it out and easier for you to get it. So, first is just don't feel guilty. If you don't forgive, you won't feel it. Then, you will come and say, "Mother, I didn't feel it." And then I'll have to say, "All right, forgive, forgive, forgive." And then you'll feel it. So, what's the use? Just better do what I've told you, is very simple thing, just forgive everyone in general. Then there are certain simple things: that we have to take help of the Mother Earth. Now those who are sitting in the ground are the best placed, that's all right, they can just take out their shoes, so they're not, it's better that their feet are a little open out. And, all of you should have to take your feet out, it helps a lot. Those who are sitting, should sit more cross-legged it's better, better to sit cross legged. It's hardly will take any time and is ... you don't have to fight with your thoughts, you don't have to stop your thoughts, nothing, it just works automatically. I would say, like your attention is like this saree. Now, the Kundalini rises like this, goes up and She pushes all your attention inside automatically and then when it pierces through here, then the grace starts falling on your attention, on your sympathetic nervous system and it soothes down. Then, your centers open more and more threads of Kundalini rise. So, this is what is today's modern Sahaja Yoga, which somehow or other I've managed to discover, that let few threads of Kundalini rise to begin with so that you open your chakras gradually, and then more and more. And then one day I find you all have become great gurus, great personalities. So, may God bless you all! So, let us now with all respect to ourselves, with all love for ourselves, we have to have complete faith in ourselves, complete faith. Have complete self confidence. Now please put both your hands like this. It's important to understand that these five, six and seven are the sympathetic nervous system endings and this side also are, these are sympathetic nervous system endings and they are the ones who are expressing the centers within ourselves. Like this, left and right meet and make one center. So, is very important that you, we have to put both the hands like this to begin with. You can, now somebody will show you how we are going to nourish our centers. The left side represents our desire, not the pure desire, but our desire. And the right side represents our action, power of action. So, we will be using our power of action to nourish our centers, while the left hand will be all the time towards Myself. Before closing your eyes, you can also take out your spectacles because this helps eyesight also. So before, not now, just now when I tell to, because just now I'll show you how to do it and then we'll close our eyes. So somebody will show you. First of all, you put your left hand toward Me like this. Of course, those who don't want to do it, should go because it is proper not to disturb others. You see, nobody should, those who do not want to do should try to do it because it's not proper and should not disturb others in between to get up and walk out. So, now please put your left hand towards Me like this. And, with the right hand we nourish our centers. So, first we put it on our heart. In the heart, resides the Spirit, is reflected in the Spirit. Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty and Kundalini is the reflection of the primordial power, His desire which we call as Adi Shakti or we call it as Holy Ghost. These two have to meet, and the seat of the Spirit is on the fontanel bone area here, seat of the Spirit is here, but it resides in our heart. Now, so first we put our right hand on our heart and then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen where is the center of our mastery. This is created by all the great masters like Abraham, Moses, Lao Tse, so many of them who were real masters. They have created this. Like Guru Nanaka, Janaka, all these people have created this great center within us. Then we take down our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. This is the center of pure knowledge, pure knowledge that is the one which gives us the awareness on our central nervous system. It manifests a new dimension in our awareness on our central nervous system which is called in Sanskrit as bodh, bodh from where the word Buddha has come, or we can say it manifests in the word, vidh. Vidh is from where Vedas have come. That you feel the divine power on your central nervous system, you feel the truth on your central nervous system because whatever we have gained in our evolution, you feel it on our central nervous system. That is what is "to know." Knowledge is not mental. It is in our evolutionary process to know on your central nervous system like hot and cold. So now, this is the center which manifests that pure knowledge. So, now we take our hand again upward and put it on the center of mastery which is on the left hand side in the upper part of our abdomen. Then we take our hand onto our heart, and here we know that Spirit resides here. Then we take our hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder here and put it back as far as possible and turn our head to our right, we turn our head to our right. This is the center which as I have told you is always in trouble when we feel guilty and today also I feel it's quite a lot among the people who are here. So, now please remember not to feel guilty at all. Turn your head to your right and just not to feel guilty, is very important. Now then we put our hand across like this on our forehead and pressing on both the temples with our small finger and our thumb on another side we put all the other fingers on the head and put down our head like this. This is the center, this is the center for forgiving others. Forgive everyone. Now, we take back this hand on the back side of our head on the optic lobe here, on the back side of our head and push back our head as far back as possible resting on our hand, and here is the center without feeling guilty, without counting any mistakes, just for your satisfaction to ask for forgiveness from the divine power. Now, then we stretch our hand, stretch our hand and the center of our palm, we put it on the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in our childhood. Now we put down your head, put down our head and press this area nicely by pushing our fingers outward. This is very important thing to do is to push back your fingers outward so there's nice pressure on your fontanel bone area. Now here is the limbic area, the opening of the limbic area is the fontanel bone area. So now what we do is to now slowly move our hand clockwise pressing the scalp, move the scalp, clockwise, seven times. Push down your head, it's better, then you can do it better, move it seven times clockwise. Now, I think everything was done all right but we didn't push back the fingers nicely and the pressure was less but doesn't matter. Now, so, you have been already told what is to be done. Now please, again see that you put both your feet away from each other because they are two different powers. Put your left hand towards Me, put your right hand on your head. No, not like that, you can sit, I mean you can sit cross legged, cross legged is better, it's all right, for sitting down this cross legged is better. I am just telling for people who are sitting on the chairs. Just imagine people getting realization sitting on the chairs. Is something great, isn't it? Otherwise, we had to go to Himalayas and starve for so many days, work so hard, stand on your heads and still come back empty handed. You are specially blessed to be born in this era. All right, so now we put our left hand towards Me, and right hand on the heart and now we close our eyes. We don't open our eyes till I tell you. Please keep your eyes shut till I tell you. Now, the whole thing works like a divine computer, so you have to ask a question. You can call Me Mother or you can call Me Shri Mataji, whatever you like. Now, put your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me all the time. And, now sit comfortably, not bending too much nor in a stretched manner but in a comfortable, straight way. Here now you ask a question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" This is the truth about you that you are the Spirit. So now ask the question three times in your heart, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now, if you are the Spirit, then you are your master. So, now take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and ask a question, "Mother, am I my own master?" Ask this question three times. Now I have to tell you that I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. So, now please take your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Here you have to say six times, because this center has got six petals. So, please say, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say this six times because I cannot force on you. You have to ask in your freedom. I respect it. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising, so we have to nourish the upper centers so that it's easy for Her to rise. So, now take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side, press it hard. Here, you have to say with full confidence ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." Say it with full confidence in yourself, ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." Now, raise your right hand on your heart. I have already told you that Spirit resides in your heart, so now here you say with full confidence, twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit." We have to know this all-pervading power which has created us, which is nourishing us, which is looking after us, which organizes us and which loves us, is the ocean of knowledge and compassion. But above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness, and we cannot commit any mistakes that cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So, now please raise your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and push it back as far as possible on the spinal cord and turn your head to right. And here, with full confidence, please say sixteen times, "Mother, I am not guilty at all." Please say it sixteen times from your heart, please say it. I have already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive, you do not do anything, it's a myth. But, if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing at all. So, now please raise your right hand on your forehead across pressing both the temples with your small finger and your thumb and putting all the three fingers on top of your head. And now, put it down your head properly, press it hard on both the sides. And here you have to say from your heart, not how many times, "Mother, I forgive everyone." From your heart, please say, "Mother, I forgive everyone." Please do not say that it is difficult. It's the easiest thing to say. Put down your head properly, press it hard and say it from your heart. Now, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction, you have to ask forgiveness from the Divine Power. So, now take your right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible, on the hand balancing. Now here, you have to say again from your heart, now how many times, "Oh Divine Power, if I have done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." This is to be said for your own satisfaction. Push back your head as much as possible. Now, the last center which is most important: stretch your palm as far as possible, put it on, put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head as much as you can, please put it down. Now, stretch your fingers. Please stretch them properly and put a nice pressure on your fontanel bone area. Here, again I respect your freedom and I cannot force Self-realization on you. You have to ask for it. So, now please move your scalp, slowly, seven times, clockwise, saying, "Mother, please give me my Self-realization." [Mother blows in the microphone seven times.] Now, please take down your hands, both the hands, and please place them towards Me and gradually open your eyes. Now, watch Me without thinking. Now, please put your left hand towards Me. Bend your head and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Please see with your right hand. Some people get it very close and some far away but don't put your hand on top of your head. Just see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, please put your right hand towards Me and bend your head again and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people get it quite far away. Please put again your left hand towards Me and see for yourself again if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now raise both your hands towards the sky like this, push back your head and ask a question, "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?" or "Mother, is this the all-pervading power of God's love?" or "Mother, is this the Paramachaitanya?" Any one of these question you ask three times. Now, put your hands down. You feel very relaxed and there's won't be any thoughts. You can watch Me without thinking. All those who have felt cool or hot breeze on their hands, on their fingertips or out of their head, please raise both your hands. That's it. May God bless you. [Applause] I am here only for tonight and I would like to meet you all if you want to meet Me, I would like to shake hands with you. Thank you. [Applause] [While walking towards the car] Now you have to look after the new people, all of you have to look after the new people with care, with understanding. And, best of luck to all of you. It's a very delicate work. Whatever impression they get from you, that is going to work out. They must feel that "these people are very loving and kind" and you don't disappoint them too much. You must show your own discipline. [Shri Mataji talks to individual yogis] It's with very difficulty that we are building up Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis should not break it at least but they can build it up themselves such a lot. So, we have to be like them, compete with people who have done something for Sahaja Yoga, compete with them and not with them who are trying to destroy Sahaja Yoga. It's so important. One has to play one's own role. [Shri Mataji talks to individual yogis]

Public Program "Canadadesha". Vancouver (Canada), 11 August 1990. Some people who cannot sit can come down here if they want, could be comfortable. Please. I think Sahaja Yogis should give them way. Please come, there's lot of room here, on the stage please. I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset we have to understand that truth is what it is. We can not conceptualize it. We can not organize it and we can not know it at human awareness. If we had known that truth at human awareness there would have been no problem. There would have been no second opinion and there would have been no quarrel, no problems and we all would have been in the realm of peace and joy. But what we see today is that we are moving towards some sort of derailment and we do not know where we are going and what is the end of our civilization. These are modern times and special times where so many are aware of this kind of a destructive force working on us and suddenly they have become alerted and they want to know what is beyond it. What is the truth? As I have already stated that you can not know the truth at human awareness. Of course, whatever I am going to tell you, you have to keep an open mind about it. Like Scientist you must listen to Me as if it's some sort of a hypotheses. But If I prove it then I am sure as honest people you have to accept because it is for your benevolence, it is for the benevolence of this country, benevolence of the whole world. It's a understanding that I want you to be at, that we have to know something more about ourselves and about the whole collective problem that is today before us. So the knowledge that I am going to give you about is the knowledge of the roots. You have the knowledge of the tree that the civilization has grown like a very, very big tree and if we do not know our roots this civilization can be completely destroyed. In the eyes of the divine no body is divided like Indians, Canadians, English. They are all the same creation of the divine power. Now we talk of God, we talk of Love, I was reading God is love. But by saying that why should people believe you? Is there God or not? Is it true or not? We have to establish it. We have to prove it and unless and until we prove it, it is not going to be accepted by the progeny. Nobody is going to take it as if some sort of a blind faith. All right you were born in this religion so you follow it whether it is Christianity, Hinduism, Islam or anything. So we have to awaken ourselves into that new awareness by which we can know the absolute truth and we can know that divine power which is surrounding us. All this compartments that we have made around ourselves will break and we'll see the dawn of a new era where we will know that all of us are capable of achieving that great height of awareness. Of course, you can not pay for it. Nowadays there are so many in the market who are selling divine gifts. You can not sell it. As Christians we have to realize that Christ didn't sell anything. On the contrary, he took a big hunter to hit the people who were selling things at the gate of the temple. So those people who are selling or marketing things can not be anywhere near divinity because divine doesn't know money. Money is a creation of human being and this is where I fail to see in the West a response to Sahaja Yog. I mean actually people told Me that we can not understand anything which does not require money. We have to little bit get out of this and understand that divine can not be purchased, can not be sold, it is just to be enjoyed. There is a system built-in within us. I don't know if they have shown you ... yes, it is there. Inside ourselves there is a very beautiful system built-in during our evolutionary process. One by one gradually it was built-in within us and that is how now we have become human beings. There is a little bit more gap we have to cross over so that we jump into that new awareness. As they must have told you about, that there is a power within us, which is called as the Kundalini. And if it is awakened, it passes through six centers, piercing through our fontanel bone area and gives you Self Realization, meaning like this instrument is here and unless and until it is connected to the mains it has no meaning. In the same way we are to be connected to that force which has created us. And that has to be, that has to extremely simple because it is so vital. Like our breathing is so important, so it is so vital and it is absolutely free. We don't have to go and read books for that. Especially happening of this Kundalini is an extremely easy thing and it works out very fast and in thousands and thousands of people it has worked and I am sure in Canada it has to work. It is rather the desire to become a Self-Realized soul than anything else that is important. If you have a strong desire to be connected with that divine power by which you know absolute truth. That's all is needed and it works so fast because this power is the power of pure desire. All our desires that we seek are not satiable, in general. One desire gets satisfied we run after another, another desire gets satisfied we run after another. So now there is a desire within us which if is satisfied then we get the satisfaction that we wanted. With this awakening of the Kundalini, which has been worked out now for eighteen years because I have been working for the last eighteen years, I should say twenty years as such because I started my work in 1970. We have seen that people get cured of incurable diseases. How does it happen, that these centers which are the sources of energy within us are exhausted when we use them too much either on the left or on the right. As the result of that exhaustion causes physical, mental, emotional diseases from which we suffer. So now supposing you have any physical disease that physical disease can be cured if energy supplied to that part of the body. So when the Kundalini rises this center gets nourished which is being exhausted and when the Kundalini is connected to the mains, all the time the energy is flowing within you, you get all right. And there are diseases, which are somatic and there are diseases, which are psycho. That is the diseases are caused by, supposing you go to a wrong guru there will be a problem, a person who spoils your psyche. There are so many ways these days we spoil our psyche, drugs and other things that we do which spoil the psyche and the person start going into the habit of getting more and more dominated by those habits. So when the Kundalini rises She brings the attention in the center, by which the left side habits are cured. And so your psychic troubles are also cured. Your habits are cured and then there is another type of disease we have, what we call as psychosomatic, these are the diseases like cancer, say Aids, all viruses, all kinds of multiple sclerosis and all such diseases, they are also caused by the imbalance in your attention, by the imbalance in your being. So when you come into balance these can be cured, very easily without taking any medicines, without going to any doctor, without doing anything special. The whole system is built-in within you, which works it out. But you have to take it up seriously because supposing you have to go for medicine. I don't know what is the course here is. But in India if you have to do medicine you have to put in really fourteen to fifteen years, precious fourteen-fifteen years of life to get only a graduation. But for this you don't have to because once the Kundalini rises and you get balanced and then you feel the joy and the peace within yourself. Gradually you settle down and you become a master. You become yourself knowledgeable because on your finger tips you start feeling the cool breeze and you can feel it in another person, what's the matter with his Chakras or what is the problem he is facing, on your finger tips and it's all said in Quran, imagine, Mohammed Saab has said that at the time of resurrection your hands will speak, of course the Muslims are not worried about the future part, they want to just talk about the past and they don't want to think of resurrection, same about the Christians. Christ has said I will send you the Holy Ghost. But they are not looking out for the Holy Ghost. Same about Hinduism, in every religion it is said that such and such time will come when you will get your Self-Realization. But people are not looking for that because those who are in-charge are money oriented. And they want to mislead you by saying that if you don't do this you are a sinner, if you don't do that is a sinner but they don't give any solutions to the problem and there is a very big solution within us, this one and that really helps us to overcome all this ignorance which is created by the vested interest. Now this Kundalini when it rises it as I told you it solves your physical, mental, emotional problems, also it solves your social problems because you start understanding the relationship of other people. Like, now, you are sitting here and there is no light. We don't know how we relate to each other. But when there is light we can see for ourselves how we are related, how we are trodding on another's freedom, how we are behaving and the whole thing becomes a very enlightening experience and that enlightenment is not harsh, it's beautiful, it is love. And, then you realize that you have got the power to feel like a computer the absolute truth. You can feel it on your fingertips what's wrong with you, what's wrong with others. Now if you know how to correct it you are all right, not only that but you become a powerful personality, a dynamic personality without feeling any tension about it. Tension comes because you have imbalances but when you are balanced and when you are connected to the mains and all the time the energy is flowing into you there is no question of tensions. We have no tensions and you are in a joyous condition because you become Self-Realized means you become the truth that is that you are the Spirit. You become the Spirit. And when you become the Spirit, the Spirit as it is said, it's a fact that is the source, first of all of knowledge. Like a person comes, say, it's happened, I've seen many people who came from jail, they have no credibility of any kind, they wear some sort of a funny dress, appear in the square and people just start calling him a guru and such a guru starts minting money out of you and head along people go towards that person and think it is a very big thing. Another one comes and says that I am such and such and I have these powers and that power you just believe into that person, pay him money and get lost. Like these there are no norms to find out what is the truth and what is not the truth but of course, you can find out one thing, that a person who takes money, how can he be related to God? How can he be related to Divine? Anything that works on money cannot be relationship with God. Of course, now for example, this hall has to be, say, hired, all right, the Canadian Sahaja Yogis, we have many have hired it. Formally, in the beginning I used to hire them but now they are hiring it, that's a different point but for Self-Realization you cannot pay. That happening is absolutely a living process of our evolution. And this evolution, that we are at a human level we haven't paid anything. So why should we pay for anything that beyond this. It is a living process, of a living energy, of a living God. So one has to understand, first of all, that at a very ordinary level also that you can not pay for God. You can not pay for Divine. You can not purchase it and the second is you can not put any effort. It's an effortless happening, just like sprouting of a seed. It is an effortless happening which takes place and when it takes place, then you just know yourself, you certify yourself. You don't have to have others to certify that this is this, this is that. And you don't take false certificate. For example, somebody might say, "All right, I am born again." By taking such a certificate you do not become. It is not that any organization can give a certificate. It's a state of be-ing. You have to be that in that state, only, honestly you have to be that otherwise just to say that I am such and such, it's cheating yourself. What's the use? It's not going to help you. It's not going to help others. So first of all you must understand that it is the becoming that is important. It's not what people are saying about themselves, talking about themselves. Like there are some people, the other day I met who were selling lots of Geeta. I asked what's the use of reading Geeta? It's all bookish knowledge. To read Geeta also you have to have Self-Realization. And then I met some people who were selling Bibles. Now we have been selling Bibles for ages. What's the use? To read Bible also, to understand Christ also, you have to have Self-Realization. Otherwise you can not understand what He said and all of them have said one thing that you must have your second birth. You are to be born again. But that again one can use it as a placard saying we are born again. So we should not cheat ourselves. What's the use of cheating ourselves? Tomorrow some disease comes in, some trouble comes in, tomorrow our children take to drugs or do something wrong, they go and murder people, all kinds of violence then who is responsible? We, because we have avoided to know about the truth and it's all there built-in within us, it's just there, which we have to have. So now, the first quality of the Spirit is that you become knowledgeable, Knowledgeable about anything. For example, somebody says that there is no God. Say, in Russia I went, of course, the Russians are some or other, the government is horrible but the people are really their attention is so good that they just touched it, and thousands and thousands. You won't believe that in Moscow I never had less than fourteen thousand people or Leningrad same thing. In Kiev I had nothing less than five thousand to six thousand people. And the Government itself took it so seriously that, I mean they invited about six hundred doctors. I read it in the paper they have put it only three hundred, it may sound big but the fact is about six hundred doctors came in and two hundred great scientists who have done Sputnik and all that and they all surprisingly asked for one thing 'Mother give us Realization. We want to have our Self-Realization.' So what I feel, whatever I've read about Russian writers is that there has been always a soul searching within themselves. If you read any one of them you will find there is a soul searching and they find out what am I doing? Is it correct? Why should I do it? What is the problem? And that soul searching within themselves is because they have no choices, like we have here in our countries all kinds of freedom. We waste our energy in finding out what breakfast we will have, what lunch we will have, what dinner we have, what sort of a blouse we should wear. I mean such a lot of waste of energy, it's a joyless pursuit. While they don't have that chance not that they are not well off, I would say they dress up well, they have good clothes. They live well. They have all nice houses. Everybody who is married gets a house. But they always felt that they are not free to get to their Spirit. And that's what they were struggling. As soon as they saw Me, there is no place for false gurus. Nobody wants them. When I spoke to them in one of the seminars they had a yoga seminar, when I walked out everybody came out and there were other gurus who had come, nobody was there in the hall to talk to them. They are so keen and so alert that they know that you can not pay for it. And there is no hanky panky about it just telling stories this will happen that will happen. And now in all Eastern Block you will be surprised Sahaja Yoga is spreading very fast. Bulgaria we had fifteen thousand people, fifteen thousand people in Bulgaria, so you can imagine. I have to also go to Romania, I've not been there but there are, those Sahaja Yogis who went there have written to Me that they got five thousand people. Sahaja Yogis got it. So you can imagine how fast they are moving and the day may come they might become very powerful people than we are. We have become weak. We have become very weak internally. Externally we have money, we have good roads, good telephones, everything but internally we are weak because first of all we can not get over our habits. Secondly there are all kinds of negative forces working on us. And we are so vulnerable we do not know how to fight it out. So it's better that we become the Spirit to know the knowledge, to have the knowledge about what is good and what is bad. The second thing about Spirit is that when it comes into your attention you become enlightened, in the sense there is light and you see the truth. For example, you are standing with a snake in your hand and it's all darkness, you can't see, I tell you it's a snake throw it away but you will not listen to Me. You will say why, why, what's wrong. I mean many people have told Me what's wrong, what's wrong if you are doing this what's wrong, till that snake bites them they will hold it on. So you put on the light. As soon as you put on the light they will drop the snake by themselves. This is what I say that you become your own guru and you follow your own understanding with the light of the Spirit within you, which is your own. But this enlightened attention works, it acts. You can close your eyes and find out about anyone what's the matter with that person. And if you know how to cure that person it can work out. You do not know how this Divine power works. This, all pervading Divine power is the most efficient government, the most efficient, we can call the housewife, the most efficient father, mother everything. Anything that you need is done so beautifully that you are amazed and so many miracles happened that you are amazed, how, what have I done, why am I so much blessed. I had asked people to write about their miracles because they used to write letters after letters and I've no time to write so I said you write to somebody about the miracles and let him take out a book. Now the pile has gone this way and this way and it lost in that pile. He said Mother what am I to do, is such a lot. So we have to know that we are special people. Human beings are at the epitome of the evolution and that a little more is going to give you the meaning of what you are. So this enlightened attention makes you aware of your powers also by which you can give Realizations to others. You can correct them, you can cure them, and you can give them peace and joy as you have the joy. Now you see these people they are mostly Canadians here or Americans. Now to teach one sentence of English is very easy and to teach the whole of English also is easier but to teach one word of Sanskrit is so difficult to an English man. They ruled us for three hundred years and we tried our level best to teach them some English and whenever they would come up and speak something we would say what language are they speaking. We couldn't understand the language. So it so very difficult to pronounce this Sanskrit as well as the Indian languages. But the way these people sing, I mean in India people can't understand how they have picked up this difficult language, this difficult music, this difficult rhythm. How they have done it and they sing, if you hear from outside, you won't believe that they are Canadians were singing. You think they are just some Indians some very good singers from India singing. How have they got it? It is because of the new dynamism they have developed in their creativity and we have so many artists and musicians who have really, as you say touch the roof, they have hit the roof, like in their fame, in their success, in their creativity. So you become extremely creative but you become very humble. You are not egotistical, you do not force your things on to others, but automatically because you are so good that you shine. There are so many artists especially in India musicians who have achieved great heights with Sahaja Yoga. And it has to work out everywhere that we should understand the essence of music and how it really soothes human beings by which you will, not for success but it is just for expression, work out but automatically it becomes successful. Now this is not only that I'm trying to lure you to some ideas. But what I am trying to tell you within you lies all these powers and if you have not utilize and if you have not make use of that and then you are unhappy no body can help it. It is all there which you have to have. Now the Spirit gives you the knowledge of truth. Spirit gives your attention the light and Spirit is the source of joy, as if you were getting drown in the waves of your thoughts and worries and problems. Suddenly you find you are in a boat and you are enjoying everything. You are seeing it. When you see your problem you can solve it better and there is the Divine power to solve all the problems that you have, then you learn how to swim. You can jump into the same waves, which have bothered you and save other people and so a new dynamic personality you develop because you become collectively conscious about which Jung has written that now human beings will become collectively conscious. It is the consciousness, which is expressed in our central nervous system by which you can feel the other. Now my hand, this hand if it is hurt the another hand can feel it, the whole body will feels it and tries to help. Now who is the other when everybody is a part and parcel of the whole, who is the other? For example, we were going to have a program here and you will be amazed we have people even from Austria who just came, they had holidays so they just came running to help the Canadian people here that they are very few. So better run down and help them. We have people all over the world. Sahaja Yoga is working in forty countries. And when I went to Russia it is so gratifying to know that the first people who came to Russia to help the Russians were twenty five Germans. And the Germans were so gentle, so beautiful you won't believe that their fore fathers fought with that horrible fellow Hitler. No, they are so gentle, so beautiful and when I saw them working on these Russians with such love, with such attention, with such understanding. I felt that it's another world they're existing, which is so beautiful and so nice. In one program I don't know how much I can tell you about it and we have here a proper Ashram where you can go. We have here people who have their programs where you can go. But their complaints are that Mother when You come, I don't know what happens they come to Your program all right but after that they never come and they get lost. I just don't know why is it so because you just what I can do today is like a sprouting of the seed but after that you have to grow into a tree. Unless and until you grow into the tree it's a myth as in your Parable of Christ some fell on the rocky areas. Some fell in the marshy areas like that. It should not be. It should be it fell into areas where people prospered and became great trees. Let Canada take over. I think Americans I'm quite disappointed. I don't know what's wrong with them. They only like falsehood. All the false gurus are prospering there. All kinds of false things they like. A lady is there. She is been into lesbianism, put some sort of a drama and they are all attracted towards her, can't understand how can lesbianism anything to do with Kundalini. Kundalini doesn't understand these things. No where in the ancient books written like this about Kundalini. But this lady is out of the blue has started using all these ticks and there are so many running after her, paying her money. She has built up big, huge amount of properties and things like that, and this is not the way to do it. Why, when I say I don't take money they will immediately ask Me then what about who pays for your travel? Mostly My husband pays, no doubt, he has been paying. Well, you don't want Me to pay for your salvation, like if I go to Russia they pay for My travel. The government pays for Me, but otherwise wherever I go I have to pay for Myself, most of the time. But even then they come to this that even when you eat your food who pays for that? It is like this. So where they have to criticize they do not. Where they don't have to criticize they criticize. And head along, thousands have gone to this TM business. Now this TM is another horrible thing that has killed so many people has made them recluses. I have got so many patients from there who are suffering from all kinds of troubles. But people go head along to such things which has money you have to pay such a lot they don't mind. As I belong to another life also, you must be knowing. Ah! In that life, I find I just keep quiet listening to people. They say, "Oh! That guru is good but you know he is very expensive but he is quite good. He is expensive." So, a sort of a guru shopping is going on. We should not be stupid in life. Stupidity never pays, never pays. We have to be alert. God has given us brains to understand and we should not waste our precious lives this human life, like this. I have to just tell you that I feel sometimes so unhappy even when I went to Russia and Eastern block I saw so many people getting Realization and working it out, thousands of them. We don't know how to manage. The government is giving us all the help, everything still we don't know how to put them up, in a big, say in a stadium, always we have programs. So how to manage all that big group and how to create people who will go and work it out. It's such a problem for us. But in the West I find people have no value for that, no value at all. It's such a beautiful life, just awaiting at your door but we have no value, no value, waste it on useless things. I have to tell you as a Mother that please be concerned about it. What's happening to our children? What's happening to our families, what's happening to our nation? This Ecological problem, all these can be solved in no time once you reach that state and we have to have more people to reach that state and to get to it. So May God bless you, in this short time whatever was possible I have told you. I would like to also have some questions from you but the questions should be relevant. I have not come here to take any money. I have not come here to take anything from you. I am not asking for votes. I am not a politician. I have come here to give you what you have. This is your own. This is your own property, which I have come to give you, to tell you about it. So it should be relevant and sensible and I would like to answer your questions and then we can have the session of Realization, which will take hardly ten minutes. So please have patience with yourself. I have lot of patience but you must have patience and just ask Me questions which are sensible, not aggressive. Thank you very much. Questions and answers - (Questions can not be heard but Shri Mataji is answering to a question.) Ah! There is nothing to be done, just now. It will be all awakened just now. After that, once the Kundalini is awakened you have to see where you are lacking in, what centers are not all right, which you will yourself know. You have to come to our programs that they have here and you have to see for yourself what's wrong with you and you should correct yourself. Then gradually you become the master. To give an analogy I'll tell you like this, first you get into the car to learn driving, all right, so there is an accelerator and also there is a brake. So first you start accelerator, break both and you go I mean in every way wrong and then gradually you start improving on it. And when you improve on it you find it suddenly that you have become a driver. Now you can drive. You can balance both the things left and right side but still you are a driver. So there is the master sitting behind. Now that master is telling you do this, go there, here there. Suddenly while doing all that you become the master and when you become the master you see within yourself the driver, the brake and the accelerator and you know how to handle the whole situation. It's like this. So it is a gradual development within you, which you do it and you have to come to our center, carefully and pay some time, that's all. You have to give some time. Time is very important. But is the most important because you have to now use it for your inner development. We have watches in the hand. All the time watching one minute, two minutes, three minutes and what do we do with it? Where do we spend the time? Either may be in the pub or in the ball or maligning somebody or doing all kinds of nonsensical, destructive things. But, if we have watches, it is for what? It is for us to save time for meditation. But meditation is needed only about five-seven minutes in the morning and ten minutes in the evening, not much time. But you must come to the collective, because it's a happening in the collective. Like, supposing My nail is broken and I take it out, then the body doesn't look after it. So, there is where people do not understand and they do not come back and then they get lost. Next program I come in, they said, "Mother you cured me. All right, of this thing I was cured, but now I have got this problem." So, all My life I'm curing them and all My time is wasted like that. So best thing is that you become the doctor; you become everything. Why don't you become? You all can become that; you all have that power. So you get it. So you don't have to do anything just now. You all have to ... I'll just tell you how we are going to nourish our centers and we are going to get our Realization. I am very happy to know that you are anxious to do something about it. May God bless you! Nice to see such people! Question: For somebody who is not here and who is really sick, can You help them? Shri Mataji: I can, but main thing is, you see, that such a person you can help him. First of all, you get all right. You know all about it and then you can go and help that person, because the best thing is that your knowledge will improve as you help that person, gradually. It's very practical, and it all helps. All right? Question: You talk about our habits and weakness and how to overcome that. Can You talk a little bit more about it? Shri Mataji: See, we are weak because we are ignorant first of all. As I told you, we are holding the snake and there's darkness and in that darkness we don't see that this is going to bite us. But, when you become enlightened, you become a very powerful, dynamic person, absolutely. And you separate yourself from your habits. You see it very clearly. Then you don't talk that "I have this habit or that habit." You don't say like that. Like a person would come and say, "Mother, you know, my Agnya is catching; this chakra is catching. That means I have too much ego." But they don't say, "I have ego." I mean if you tell somebody, "You have ego," they'll hit you hard, isn't it? But if a person gets it, he feels it. And he says, "Mother, I have too much problem with the Agnya Chakra so please clear it up." So, if you have any habits - say supposing there are people who used to take drugs. In the beginning I had horrible people in England, about seven of them, all drug addicts and things. Of course, very well-educated, professors and things, but all drug addicts, hippies and violent people, really. When they came to Me, it was not easy to handle them. But they are today the foundation of Sahaja Yoga. Wonderful people they are. Now what happened, they said, "We want to get rid of it but we can't. We just can't help it." But you will be amazed, overnight they gave up, overnight. Just it happens because you see the light and you throw the snake, just happens. You don't have to think about it, just happens. I never tell them these Ten Commandments - don't do this, don't do that. Don't tell them. Just it works from within. Why should I tell them? Why should I give them a lecture? There's no need. They themselves become their own master and the mastery is that the master cures and gives you powers. You develop that dignity; it's remarkable what happens. To Me, it's not a surprise because I know what you are. You are so glorious. It's like you take a small little, say a television to a remote corner of India and in some village and show them and say that "Here is a place, this box will show you all the kinds of music and all kinds of dramas and this." They say, "What? This box? How is it going to work out?" And, you put it to the mains and it starts working and they say, "It's fantastic." It's like that. We are fantastic, we are glorious but we have yet to be connected, that's all. It just happens, you don't have to force yourself, you don't have to do anything. It just works. The inner force works it out. Anything else? Such nice people have come today, I am very happy. They are asking such nice questions. [Applause] Really, wonderful! But you must promise that you all will prosper in a proper way and work it out because it's a waste then I feel. You know I was so enamored by the Russians and the Eastern Bloc people because not that they only come to My lecture, not that they only listen to Me, but they work it out. And they are moving everywhere. Now people have moved to Siberia and all these far-fetched places. They have taken the whole map. They brought the whole map before Me and said, "Mother, now tell us where should we go." They have gone all out. So must understand the importance of it. It's not just like going to one lecture or to another lecture. This is one thing you have to promise in your heart that "Mother, we'll all become great trees." You have such great trees here. God has created such beautiful thing here. Why not in Canada we should have some great personalities, great saints? Now, any other question? Question: In order to develop realization, if you're not living somewhere close to where there is a center then what do we do? Shri Mataji: There's no need to depend on Me. We have people here who are experts, who have really become masters. And, they will definitely help you so it doesn't matter. I am always with you. Whenever you think of Me, you'll know I am with you and you can always write to Me. There's nothing to feel that I'm away from you, that ... maybe that is the reason people don't go further with it. But as you trust Me, you trust yourself. You must trust yourself. You must have faith in yourself that you are quite capable and you can do it. You can do it and that there are people who will help you. They are very humble, sweet, beautiful people. You will like them and they'll all help you till you become perfect. Such love, I tell you. Same thing [someone interrupts]. Children? Children are the best, children are the best for Sahaja Yoga. They take to Sahaja Yoga in no time. Most of the children these days are born realized and we have to just understand them. So many children are born realized. Children are the best to understand Sahaja Yoga, to work it out and they just of a very high level, I should say. Like the other day there was a child who was receiving a phone. He said, "Oh, it's all right. You are not a yogi." Puts it down the phone. So I said, "How do you know?" "Mother, he had no vibrations. How could I know? Why should I talk to him? Let it be, I put down the phone." Question: Mother, is it a symbol of Your photograph that gives vibrations? The willpower [can't understand the rest of the question] Shri Mataji: It's true. My photograph luckily has some sort of a coefficience that it emits vibrations. I mean, I would like anybody else's photograph if it does, because it's a good idea; but I don't think there's anyone like that, because none of the incarnations and none of the saints were photographed. It's very surprising, nobody was photographed. At the most, and also, nobody was portrayed in their lifetime, because you know what happened to all the saints and to all the incarnations: when they lived, everybody was after their lives. No question of having so many people. I mean, even Christ had hardly twelve people and how they tortured His life! Actually, if you see His public life, He lived hardly for three and a half years and they crucified Him. So, this is what the world was. It's not so bad now. I mean, nobody is going to crucify Me, but still there were no photographs. So, the modern times has another advantage that they have photographs, and they will show you lots of beautiful photographs and things which will stun you. But that will be later on, you can see. But even this is such an advantage that I can talk to so many people. And aeroplane is such an advantage that I can travel all over the world. Everything is such an advantage today. The communication have improved so much that I could come to Canada. Can you imagine Christ coming to Canada? [Laughter] So, I mean, see the whole advantage is there and in Russia I have given realization to people on television, on television. But they are extremely sensitive people, extremely sensitive. I mean, in the program when we had the scientists, one of the scientist got up and said, "But Mother, please tell us how You cure people when they only attend Your program when they are so many." I said, "I don't know if I've cure people." But they are so sensitive. Their spirituality is just there. It touches so fast. We can say that they are very, very ultra-modern sensitive instruments. Just touch them and it works. It's rather surprising. Their attention is so good. Their attention is so good. So, that's what it is, it works. But if they can get it, you can get it. You can do it. But also, another problem in the West is that we are very guilty people. For nothing at all, we are extremely - one side we are destroying ourselves, that's one way and another is all the time we feel, 'I've done this wrong. I've done that wrong. Sorry, Sorry!' English language is full of it. So, we all the time start feeling sorry. There's no need to feel all that guilt and sin and all this nonsensical ideas. That really spoils the game for Me also. I have seen Americans are the worst. They are guilty for this and guilty for that. What is there to be guilty? After all, you are human beings and if you have done any mistakes, doesn't matter. After all you're not Gods. So what? If you have done mistakes, all right forget it. Forget the past. But this is also another problem of the West is: now their forefathers say came here and killed some Red Indians. Now, the forefathers are finished, they might have become Red Indians in this lifetime. They are not there. You are their children's children's children's children. Now why are you carrying on the jokes so far? But for everything they feel guilty - is another such a mental nonsense that please, before I start this program, I have to request you that don't feel guilty for anything. You have done nothing wrong. [Shri Mataji speaks aside] Also, there is another two-three people. Question: Is Gorbachev is a walk-in, which means that is he from some other place which is advanced soul? Shri Mataji: He is a realized soul, no doubt, he is. That's why it's working out. He knows Me very well. He is a realized soul. That you recognized him, I'm very happy to know that. He is and look at them, how lucky they are to have him there. And, he is a very sensible man, no doubt. Even Lenin was. Lenin was a realized soul, you will be surprised, but he was forced by all his party members. He was alone, you see. And, all of them forced him to take a course of line which was really proved later on. But whatever was his state, talked about stateless state and all that was his dream and that's coming true. He was also a realized soul. But he went onto a wrong line and it took so much time for them to come back and they had horrible despotic people, no doubt but the way the Gorbachev is doing is great and I have a rapport with him and he is a very great man, I must say. And he has tremendous respect for Me. Because we are of the same style, you can say, the same line, that's why. You, too, had in America. You had, say, Abraham Lincoln was a realized soul, no doubt. And, we had Mahatma Gandhi. We had many people, but they were singled out. They couldn't give realizations to others. They were singled out and they had to fight, but now you all can become realized souls. We have to have many more to get peace, to get joy, to get what we deserve. [Question: A lady seems to have some illness that doctors can't diagnose and is asking if Shri Mataji can help.] Shri Mataji: Yes, that's true. I am Myself a doctor. I've done medicine, Myself. I know that. It's difficult for them because they cannot raise the Kundalini. You see that's the problem is. Please sit down, I'll tell you. The medical science is, of course has reached a quite a lot of height and have understood anything, but the problem with the medical line is this: that when a tree is sick, you see, we treat the leaves but we cannot get to the roots, you see. But Sahaja Yoga is a thing that gets to the roots, and I'm not telling you off-hand, you see, there are three doctors who got their Ph.D. in India in Sahaja Yoga that they have cured people. There are seven doctors in London who are now writing down about how many people have been cured with Sahaja Yoga. But the problem is like this: like for in America, I cannot cure people because I will be arrested. If and if Christ goes there, He will be arrested. The medical science doesn't allow there, I mean, that anybody should cure anyone. Now, the problem is if you come to India nobody is allowed to come to India who suffers with AIDS and all such diseases. Big problem for the patient also. Even in England, you see, if we cannot say that we can cure them, lots of problems with the law. And, we cannot. But only thing those who get cured automatically, like we have the people who are Sahaja Yogis who had diseases, they have got their papers, everything, and then they are cured, then we note it down. India is the only place where I can start this curing business. But to be very frank, we are not in this business. We are not in the business of curing. What we are doing is to raise your Kundalini by which you get cured as a by-product. We are not doing curing. That's not our job. That's not what we do. And, also I must tell you the Divinity has common sense. A common sense in the sense that: now these lights are here, we know that particular bulb is not going to work. So nobody wants to cure. The Divine doesn't want to cure people who are not going to give lights, who are not going to get to Sahaja Yoga, means that their Kundalini doesn't rise. If their Kundalini doesn't rise, then how can we cure? That's the only way we can cure people. So there are limitations also that your Kundalini has to rise and then you can get cured. But there are many miracles which have happened. I don't know how people got cured. And there have been many cures, no doubt. And, it sounds very, very much fantastic that it can be cured through Kundalini awakening but it has happened. We have to accept the truth. As long as it helps, what does it matter? Yes, please? Question: What would be the effect of increasing number of Sahaja Yogis on the economic system and the lifestyle of the country where the increase of Sahaja Yogis takes place? Shri Mataji: Oh, it just triggers everything. For example, now what are our problems? We see the economic problems of this country is. I have understood it so well that we have so much of a, say, ores and all other things like silver we have here, and gold and all kinds of things we have, and the ones who are exploiting us are Americans and nobody sees the point. Nobody sees the point. While those who will get Sahaja Yogis, they will become so dynamic. They will put in their own industries here. Why send it?Why make cars in America? Why not make them here? So many things can happen because you become so dynamic and there's so many people to help you all over that this is what should happen. After all, you have all kinds of things available here. Why should you send your aluminum to America, to be drawn into wires and beaten into sheets? There's no need. We can do it ourselves. So this, you see, self-confidence that we can do it together and the collective feeling can give you such good ideas. And another point is that the way we are working out machines now. Now we have to understand that machines are for us. We have created machines and machines are to be used according to our need and we are not for machines. They are not to dominate us. So as much as we need we'll use machines otherwise we'll not use machines. And as a result, already it is happening that people don't like machine-made things and machine-made this thing. So they will go to the balancing state where they will take to more handmade things and handmade material. Now for a handmade things you don't have to have so many. Like, now we say in India, thank God, we are quite poor country, we can't afford to have so many machines. Thank God for that because now in a household they will have about, say, ten plates of brass or twelve plates of brass. Finished. We don't have to have so many crockery, cutlery, this, that, that breaks. Then, after that you have plastic. Because it breaks so you have plastics. So, you go on. The plastic is now mounting up, mountains after mountains we have created. So, you take more to practical side, very much practical and more to the natural. And in natural, it's nice to have one natural thing than to have ten plastics. Now people are realizing, I'm not saying they are not realizing it. But still there are machines sitting on top of us. And then the entrepreneurs, the entrepreneurs are very clever. Today they start one fashions, tomorrow another fashion, third day third fashion. England is another one who suffers a lot. For example, in a place like London, which is such a cold place, people have pants which have holes in it. They call it holy pants, you see. And now imagine, they developed varicose veins with that. Or they'll have tight pants. They have to do something about it. They have to feed their machines. So they will start this fashion or that fashion. Now, there's another fashion which is also very dangerous that people don't put any oil in their hair. Before taking a head bath, one can put easily some oil or before night they can put it. They are all getting bald. Once they get bald, them they'll sell their wigs. The same hair which are fallen off, they make wigs and sell it. They are befooling you. If you see little bit, you stand out and see how they are befooling you must, these entrepreneurs are. This is the fashion today, that is the fashion. I was seeing the children, we are now producing clothes for children, for example. The clothes are such horrible clothes. I mean, they call them... [Shri Mataji asks someone in Hindi, "What do they call such clothes now-a-days?"] ... trendy, trendy clothes. Children wear trendy clothes. They have no respect, respect for themselves. They don't respect themselves. If you give them trendy clothes, you see, they become like brats, and then you say they are brats. You make them brats from very childhood. You want them to be brats, you see. So,the whole system changes. Children become so beautiful, so dignified. Dress makes a person understand what is his personality is, isn't it? If you are just sort of careless about everything, you are not bothered and the way - I have seen also children and even the grown-ups walk as if you see the, it doesn't matter how you walk, you throw your legs this side, hands like that. That shows the personality, that this personality has no sense of dignity - how it has to walk, how they have to talk or things. So the whole thing has come down. Now, for example, English language now. I never studied English language but when I went to England, I was surprised the kind of English they are speaking. I mean, you don't know what sort of English they are speaking. And, really is impossible. At least, in Canada people speak better English, I tell you. You'll have a language problem, really. Because they, even people from Cambridge, they have developed such funny, funny intonations and funny pronunciation that it's impossible to cope with them. So this is what I'm trying to tell you: that once you get this balance, once you get this knowledge, you develop a balanced economy, you develop a balanced ecology, you develop everything in balance because all these imbalances has come through human beings. What is the source is a human being. You see, in the jungle if you go there's no imbalance. Only where human beings live there's imbalance. So once you get into balance, when you have more Sahaja Yogis, there will be more balance and you'll be surprised how things will work out. And, above all there is this Divine Power which is going to help you. Now, what do you want again? Question: Can we meditate now? Now, I hope you are finished with your questions, because if you finish with questions it's better because this mind, you know, is a funny thing. Suddenly, you're meditating, suddenly a thing will come, "Oh, I should have asked this question to Mother!" But as she says it's true that even if I answer all your questions, it's a mental acrobat. I can answer all your questions very well. I am good at it, but it is not going to raise your Kundalini. So no question, is better that you just see that what happens because it's a happening within yourself. It takes you without thinking about it. It takes you beyond the state where you become thoughtlessly aware. You are aware but the thoughts absolutely subside. And then ultimately you feel a cool breeze coming out of your head and you feel cool breeze all around you. This is what has to happen. And I'm very happy that she has pointed out that they are all waiting for it. And, there's no end to these talks and things. So, if you have any questions you may write to Me or you may give Me in writing, if you feel that it is such an important question. Then, of course, these people will definitely try to give you an answer for that. Now, I have I think in thousands My lectures are there and the tapes are available. But we do not give people the lectures and the books and things because once it starts the mental activity they just run into that. So, first of all develop yourself internally into that abstract stage and then if you read, it has some meaning. Otherwise, there are people who know everything about Sahaja Yoga but they can't do anything about it. Still there are two persons. Now these are the last two persons, all right? Now, what's it madam? Question: When do you feel the throbbing feeling when the Kundalini rises, when pulsation is there? You see, actually, Kundalini is in this jet age has become like a jet Kundalini. She just rises, She doesn't give you much throbbing or anything - normally, normally I'm saying. But if you have some troubles, some diseases, something, some obstructions, then it does throb a little. But you can feel it nicely on your head the cool breeze coming out of your fontanel bone area, very nicely, you see it, you feel it. So it is the throbbing of the Kundalini and all that are just like some sort of an obstructions or say, short circuiting but that can be corrected very easily. So, it's like a very nicely built, very efficiently built aeroplane, has a very smooth landing, like that Kundalini rises very beautifully. And, this is the blessing of the modern times, I think, that the Kundalini works out that way. There's one more, there was one gentleman. Question: The question is that once the Kundalini is awaken he's read that Kundalini can be if uncontrolled, if you don't know how to control it, can it harm you? You see, these books are written by people who have no idea of Kundalini. It's not like that. You see, this is just to sell something. It's marketing. Sell anything, any nonsense, there's nothing. She is your Mother. She is your individual Mother who's waiting to give you your second birth. Why will She trouble you? When you got your birth, your mother looked after everything, she, poor thing, went through all the labor pains and everything, she didn't allow you to suffer anything, she never wanted you to suffer. Did she? Then this is a pure Mother, your own individual Mother; She knows each and everything about you. It's all recorded in Her and She is not going to trouble you, and you are going to be controlled by Her in such a manner that She becomes your energy. She helps you. So, all these false ideas people have given, written books after books so that they can sell it. I haven't written any books so far. You'll be surprised, I've not written any books so far. Twenty years have past, I've written no books whatsoever. People have written about Me, people have written about Sahaja Yoga, they have written all this, but I have not yet written. I'll be writing. I hope so I get some time to write. But you see, what is important is that whatever written can be all nonsense. They can write anything about anything. First of all, you should know what it is. And now I have been going to various places, I have not seen it misbehaving anywhere or doing any harm to anybody. Of course, sometimes you do feel little heat in the body, that's all. That's the thing you feel little heat on your hands, that's all. But it's so little that it's negligible. So, be confident. First of all, before starting I have to tell you few things and one of them is that have faith in yourself. Have faith that you all are capable of getting your Self-realization. Please have that faith in yourself. You have faith in everything else but in yourself, that's wrong. Please have faith in yourself. That is first point. Now there are two conditions we have to fulfill before we get our realization. First condition is I have already told you, that not to feel guilty, forget the past. Not to feel guilty is very important because when you feel guilty, then the center here on the left side catches, Vishuddhi as they call it, and it's the worst thing that can happen because this is the center when it catches you get spondylitis, you get angina, all kinds of trouble with this center. But the worst thing is that the Kundalini cannot rise above this center. So, not to feel guilty. I assure you that you have done nothing wrong. You see, there are so many norms a society has created. Even if you put the fork on the other side you start thinking, "Oh God, what did I do?" You feel you are not sophisticated or you have done something like a murder. It's not that. It is just all these norms are artificially created, all these are artificial things. Somebody is very thin, he thinks, "Why should I be thin?" Somebody's fat, he says, "Why should I be fat?" But this is life's, whatever is there we have to accept our life as it is and there's nothing wrong in it. Nothing guilt. Whatever is there, whatever we have been doing, we have been doing as human beings. So, first and foremost condition is - absolutely you cannot compromise on that - is that you are not to feel guilty at all. Immediately, you'll feel better. All right, the second one is that you have to forgive everyone, forgive everyone because whether you forgive or you don't forgive, you don't do anything. You are living with a myth, all the time thinking, "Oh, I have to forgive this person, I have to forgive that person." There's no need to think like that. You don't also have to think about any individual, just in general you have to say, "I forgive everyone of them." And, that clears out this center, very clearly, this is the center of Christ, this clears out, and it's very easy for Me because this is a very constricted, it's the gate to the limbic area so that gate has to be widened and it has to be opened out. And so, just forgive everyone. And, you know it is a myth. You are playing into the wrong hands. So, this is another condition, you have to just accept. Then it's easier for Me to work it out and easier for you to get it. So, first is just don't feel guilty. If you don't forgive, you won't feel it. Then, you will come and say, "Mother, I didn't feel it." And then I'll have to say, "All right, forgive, forgive, forgive." And then you'll feel it. So, what's the use? Just better do what I've told you, is very simple thing, just forgive everyone in general. Then there are certain simple things: that we have to take help of the Mother Earth. Now those who are sitting in the ground are the best placed, that's all right, they can just take out their shoes, so they're not, it's better that their feet are a little open out. And, all of you should have to take your feet out, it helps a lot. Those who are sitting, should sit more cross-legged it's better, better to sit cross legged. It's hardly will take any time and is ... you don't have to fight with your thoughts, you don't have to stop your thoughts, nothing, it just works automatically. I would say, like your attention is like this saree. Now, the Kundalini rises like this, goes up and She pushes all your attention inside automatically and then when it pierces through here, then the grace starts falling on your attention, on your sympathetic nervous system and it soothes down. Then, your centers open more and more threads of Kundalini rise. So, this is what is today's modern Sahaja Yoga, which somehow or other I've managed to discover, that let few threads of Kundalini rise to begin with so that you open your chakras gradually, and then more and more. And then one day I find you all have become great gurus, great personalities. So, may God bless you all! So, let us now with all respect to ourselves, with all love for ourselves, we have to have complete faith in ourselves, complete faith. Have complete self confidence. Now please put both your hands like this. It's important to understand that these five, six and seven are the sympathetic nervous system endings and this side also are, these are sympathetic nervous system endings and they are the ones who are expressing the centers within ourselves. Like this, left and right meet and make one center. So, is very important that you, we have to put both the hands like this to begin with. You can, now somebody will show you how we are going to nourish our centers. The left side represents our desire, not the pure desire, but our desire. And the right side represents our action, power of action. So, we will be using our power of action to nourish our centers, while the left hand will be all the time towards Myself. Before closing your eyes, you can also take out your spectacles because this helps eyesight also. So before, not now, just now when I tell to, because just now I'll show you how to do it and then we'll close our eyes. So somebody will show you. First of all, you put your left hand toward Me like this. Of course, those who don't want to do it, should go because it is proper not to disturb others. You see, nobody should, those who do not want to do should try to do it because it's not proper and should not disturb others in between to get up and walk out. So, now please put your left hand towards Me like this. And, with the right hand we nourish our centers. So, first we put it on our heart. In the heart, resides the Spirit, is reflected in the Spirit. Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty and Kundalini is the reflection of the primordial power, His desire which we call as Adi Shakti or we call it as Holy Ghost. These two have to meet, and the seat of the Spirit is on the fontanel bone area here, seat of the Spirit is here, but it resides in our heart. Now, so first we put our right hand on our heart and then we put our right hand in the upper portion of our abdomen where is the center of our mastery. This is created by all the great masters like Abraham, Moses, Lao Tse, so many of them who were real masters. They have created this. Like Guru Nanaka, Janaka, all these people have created this great center within us. Then we take down our hand in the lower portion of our abdomen on the left hand side. This is the center of pure knowledge, pure knowledge that is the one which gives us the awareness on our central nervous system. It manifests a new dimension in our awareness on our central nervous system which is called in Sanskrit as bodh, bodh from where the word Buddha has come, or we can say it manifests in the word, vidh. Vidh is from where Vedas have come. That you feel the divine power on your central nervous system, you feel the truth on your central nervous system because whatever we have gained in our evolution, you feel it on our central nervous system. That is what is "to know." Knowledge is not mental. It is in our evolutionary process to know on your central nervous system like hot and cold. So now, this is the center which manifests that pure knowledge. So, now we take our hand again upward and put it on the center of mastery which is on the left hand side in the upper part of our abdomen. Then we take our hand onto our heart, and here we know that Spirit resides here. Then we take our hand in the corner of our neck and our shoulder here and put it back as far as possible and turn our head to our right, we turn our head to our right. This is the center which as I have told you is always in trouble when we feel guilty and today also I feel it's quite a lot among the people who are here. So, now please remember not to feel guilty at all. Turn your head to your right and just not to feel guilty, is very important. Now then we put our hand across like this on our forehead and pressing on both the temples with our small finger and our thumb on another side we put all the other fingers on the head and put down our head like this. This is the center, this is the center for forgiving others. Forgive everyone. Now, we take back this hand on the back side of our head on the optic lobe here, on the back side of our head and push back our head as far back as possible resting on our hand, and here is the center without feeling guilty, without counting any mistakes, just for your satisfaction to ask for forgiveness from the divine power. Now, then we stretch our hand, stretch our hand and the center of our palm, we put it on the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in our childhood. Now we put down your head, put down our head and press this area nicely by pushing our fingers outward. This is very important thing to do is to push back your fingers outward so there's nice pressure on your fontanel bone area. Now here is the limbic area, the opening of the limbic area is the fontanel bone area. So now what we do is to now slowly move our hand clockwise pressing the scalp, move the scalp, clockwise, seven times. Push down your head, it's better, then you can do it better, move it seven times clockwise. Now, I think everything was done all right but we didn't push back the fingers nicely and the pressure was less but doesn't matter. Now, so, you have been already told what is to be done. Now please, again see that you put both your feet away from each other because they are two different powers. Put your left hand towards Me, put your right hand on your head. No, not like that, you can sit, I mean you can sit cross legged, cross legged is better, it's all right, for sitting down this cross legged is better. I am just telling for people who are sitting on the chairs. Just imagine people getting realization sitting on the chairs. Is something great, isn't it? Otherwise, we had to go to Himalayas and starve for so many days, work so hard, stand on your heads and still come back empty handed. You are specially blessed to be born in this era. All right, so now we put our left hand towards Me, and right hand on the heart and now we close our eyes. We don't open our eyes till I tell you. Please keep your eyes shut till I tell you. Now, the whole thing works like a divine computer, so you have to ask a question. You can call Me Mother or you can call Me Shri Mataji, whatever you like. Now, put your right hand on your heart and left hand towards Me all the time. And, now sit comfortably, not bending too much nor in a stretched manner but in a comfortable, straight way. Here now you ask a question three times, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" This is the truth about you that you are the Spirit. So now ask the question three times in your heart, "Mother, am I the Spirit?" Now, if you are the Spirit, then you are your master. So, now take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen and ask a question, "Mother, am I my own master?" Ask this question three times. Now I have to tell you that I cannot force pure knowledge on you. You have to ask for it. So, now please take your hand in the lower portion of your abdomen on the left hand side. Here you have to say six times, because this center has got six petals. So, please say, "Mother, please give me pure knowledge." Say this six times because I cannot force on you. You have to ask in your freedom. I respect it. As soon as you ask for pure knowledge, the Kundalini starts rising, so we have to nourish the upper centers so that it's easy for Her to rise. So, now take your right hand in the upper portion of your abdomen on the left hand side, press it hard. Here, you have to say with full confidence ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." Say it with full confidence in yourself, ten times, "Mother, I am my own master." Now, raise your right hand on your heart. I have already told you that Spirit resides in your heart, so now here you say with full confidence, twelve times, "Mother, I am the Spirit." We have to know this all-pervading power which has created us, which is nourishing us, which is looking after us, which organizes us and which loves us, is the ocean of knowledge and compassion. But above all, it is the ocean of forgiveness, and we cannot commit any mistakes that cannot be dissolved by the power of this ocean of forgiveness. So, now please raise your hand in the corner of your neck and your shoulder and push it back as far as possible on the spinal cord and turn your head to right. And here, with full confidence, please say sixteen times, "Mother, I am not guilty at all." Please say it sixteen times from your heart, please say it. I have already told you that whether you forgive or don't forgive, you do not do anything, it's a myth. But, if you don't forgive then you play into wrong hands and torture yourself for nothing at all. So, now please raise your right hand on your forehead across pressing both the temples with your small finger and your thumb and putting all the three fingers on top of your head. And now, put it down your head properly, press it hard on both the sides. And here you have to say from your heart, not how many times, "Mother, I forgive everyone." From your heart, please say, "Mother, I forgive everyone." Please do not say that it is difficult. It's the easiest thing to say. Put down your head properly, press it hard and say it from your heart. Now, without feeling guilty, without counting your mistakes, just for your satisfaction, you have to ask forgiveness from the Divine Power. So, now take your right hand on the back side of your head and push back your head as far as possible, on the hand balancing. Now here, you have to say again from your heart, now how many times, "Oh Divine Power, if I have done anything wrong knowingly or unknowingly, please forgive me." This is to be said for your own satisfaction. Push back your head as much as possible. Now, the last center which is most important: stretch your palm as far as possible, put it on, put the center of your palm on top of the fontanel bone area which was the soft bone in your childhood. Now put down your head as much as you can, please put it down. Now, stretch your fingers. Please stretch them properly and put a nice pressure on your fontanel bone area. Here, again I respect your freedom and I cannot force Self-realization on you. You have to ask for it. So, now please move your scalp, slowly, seven times, clockwise, saying, "Mother, please give me my Self-realization." [Mother blows in the microphone seven times.] Now, please take down your hands, both the hands, and please place them towards Me and gradually open your eyes. Now, watch Me without thinking. Now, please put your left hand towards Me. Bend your head and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Please see with your right hand. Some people get it very close and some far away but don't put your hand on top of your head. Just see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now, please put your right hand towards Me and bend your head again and see for yourself if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Some people get it quite far away. Please put again your left hand towards Me and see for yourself again if there's a cool breeze coming out of your head. Now raise both your hands towards the sky like this, push back your head and ask a question, "Mother, is this the cool breeze of the Holy Ghost?" or "Mother, is this the all-pervading power of God's love?" or "Mother, is this the Paramachaitanya?" Any one of these question you ask three times. Now, put your hands down. You feel very relaxed and there's won't be any thoughts. You can watch Me without thinking. All those who have felt cool or hot breeze on their hands, on their fingertips or out of their head, please raise both your hands. That's it. May God bless you. [Applause] I am here only for tonight and I would like to meet you all if you want to meet Me, I would like to shake hands with you. Thank you. [Applause] [While walking towards the car] Now you have to look after the new people, all of you have to look after the new people with care, with understanding. And, best of luck to all of you. It's a very delicate work. Whatever impression they get from you, that is going to work out. They must feel that "these people are very loving and kind" and you don't disappoint them too much. You must show your own discipline. [Shri Mataji talks to individual yogis] It's with very difficulty that we are building up Sahaja Yoga and Sahaja Yogis should not break it at least but they can build it up themselves such a lot. So, we have to be like them, compete with people who have done something for Sahaja Yoga, compete with them and not with them who are trying to destroy Sahaja Yoga. It's so important. One has to play one's own role. [Shri Mataji talks to individual yogis]

8/11/1990

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Mahasaraswati

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Shri Mahasaraswati Puja. Vancouver (Canada), 11 August 1990. When they asked Me what puja we should have in Vancouver, I had heard about this ashram that it is placed in very beautiful surroundings of nature and, as nature is being created by the power of Saraswati, I thought best would be to have the Puja of Saraswati here. Another thing is that when people live in nature, they become extremely creative, their delicate feelings are preserved and they are never in a rush; or they are not what we can call too much modernized, because nature soothes them down. So also the creativity of Saraswati adds to artist, and I knew that there must have been many artist in this country created since long. The Canada as such I feel is the Hamsa Chakra of the Vishuddhi, but the power of Saraswati becomes Mahasaraswati when it is manifested by the Mahabrahmadeva which is called as Hiranyagarbha. For that She has to cross through the Hamsa. She crosses through Hamsa and becomes the Vishnumaya Shakti. I mean She is the Vishnumaya Shakti. So Saraswati becomes the Vishnumaya. She crosses at two points - one at Hamsa and another at Vishuddhi - so She is the Sister of Shri Krishna. So Saraswati was born as the Sister of Shri Krishna, and when Krishna's mama name whose was, uncle was Kamsa, he came to kill Her, She just rose into the sky and became the lightning, and She declared the coming of Shri Krishna, that He is already there existing. So the relationship between Shri Krishna and Vishnumaya is that of a brother and a sister, and surprisingly the other day we celebrated the Rakhi Bandhan, Raksha Bandhan, which is the same thing as the brothers/sisters relationship. So now here we are celebrating actually the Deity which is the Sister of Shri Krishna. Later on She was born as Draupadi, and that's why Shri Krishna went to save Her chastity, because is the brother only who is concerned about the chastity and the name of the sister. So this is what yesterday happened that is the Saraswati Puja, so Vishnumaya, Herself, yesterday sixteen times thundered here; and I didn't tell anybody what was happening, but I knew She would do that. And apart from that, She has also threatened Washington. That's a good thing because Washington has to be awakened. Now these are very, very subtle things and very subtle relations, and only I can tell these things because I know them, that these relations exist. So I was not surprised that She was there, but exactly sixteen hundred times She passed it, this part of Vancouver, is to show that the time has come for you to understand that Sahaja Yoga is so important, and if we do not assert ourselves fully to Sahaja Yoga, Vishnumaya is going to take another form which may burn all your forest, may burn everything. Now you must know that lightning represents all the five elements in it - it has sound, it has light, it is in the ether, it acts in the ether. Also it has got what you called the water in it, and when the water goes into friction, which is the Mother earth, so all these things act through Her. So this Vishnumaya yesterday showed us that "I'm here now. Please worship Me." And so far we have never worshiped Saraswati, and Brahmadeva is not worshiped anywhere because He created this world, He created all this woods and all these things and they created all the seas and all the lands, all the stars, universes after universes. But we are not to worship like we worship this tree or that tree. We are not to worship anything of that kind, only thing whatever is created by Mother Earth like swayambus, that's only we worship. And that, too, we worship now in a way that is an abstract way, because wherever they have appeared people are doing commercial religion, so we don't go to this places also as Sahaja Yogis. So you can understand why all these things happened unexpectedly yesterday after My coming, that there was such a light of lighting which never happened before and people were surprised. So is the Krishna's Sister who is a much more dynamic and [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi] much more fiery personality - much, much more fiery personality. Shri Krishna's essence is that He is sweetness. Madhuria is His capacity and Radha is the Allahda Dayini Shakti, means the One which gives you that joy which creates [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi], raises your hair with joy - so, but in Sanskrit it is pulakit, pulakita is the word. So this beauty of Shri Krishna which is sweetness, the leela, creating beautiful feelings of oneness of communication - all that is in Shri Krishna. But She's the One Who warns, and that is how the warning came. And She's a very fiery personality which warns everyone. So on one way She has proved My coming here, that I'm here. Perhaps maybe to the people who are aboriginals they might understand that this is what was prophesied and that has happened, and also that you people have to realize it's a warning that you cannot just allow Sahaja Yoga to drift in such a manner that it takes its own course and works out, and you are just by the way there. So this is a warning of Shri Krishna's Sister, Vishnumaya, which is Saraswati Herself, and that is what today we are going to worship Her. Only the Sahaja Yogis, those who are enlightened people, can worship Mahasaraswati. Otherwise people can only worship Saraswati because with worship of Saraswati you can read books, you can create dances, music, for the amusement of human beings, but actually the Saraswati Puja is meant for people of ordinary awareness, means ordinary or normal human awareness. But for Sahaja Yogis, it is the Mahasaraswati which is to be worshiped. As I have told you this Mahasaraswati becomes the Vishnumaya, and She is Vishnumaya so you have to be person that you should, yourself should inform people like the Vishnumaya does what Sahaja Yoga is with your fiery talks, with things of exciting them, telling them what are you up to. But what I have seen is that mostly when people speak they try to be very gentle and sweet like Shri Krishna. We tried that in America, that it might work with Americans, but it did not. They like people like say that Graham fellow or somebody like that who talks in a fiery way. And I think this is what we have to learn from yesterday's experience: that you need really some fiery speakers and fiery people because they are not at all sensitive to normal sensations. You see they, all their sensations are dead I think they have become numb, and you have to give them some shocks. They like shocks, you see. Newspaper have to give them shocks, any event that is shocking - that can only attract their attention. Even the music has to be so much that so it should break the rocks. It should be such music that will just break their heads. So they have become really rocky people, and you have to understand that their rockiness can only be shattered by Vishnumaya. And that's why this puja that we have today in Vancouver has a very great significance - not only for Canada, but also for America. Americans are taking for granted whatever diseases coming today, whatever drugs they are taking, whatever destruction they're doing to themselves is still not in their understanding. They don't understand what they're doing to themselves, how they're destroying themselves, how such a precious human life they're wasting just for their own whim and for their so-called freedom. So it is extremely, extremely important that you should try to tell them in a fiery way, "What are you doing? Why are you deceiving yourself? Why don't you understand this is wrong? At least for the progeny, you tell them that 'We did this wrong, but you should not do it.'"All this kind of talk has to be there and people have to get ready for such great speeches and things, but to say that people won't like it, I think is the other way around, unless and until you frighten them they're not going to be with you.So you have to tell and warn them and that's what the Vishnumaya yesterday has suggested that now take to a new style of strategy and talk to people in a way that whenever you are doing - say you are doing a course, at the end of the course you have to say that "Now, you see, Sahaja Yoga is not only doing the course, but it's for your well being, for your benevolence. And you have to go further with it and you have to grow. Now don't leave it half way." It's not like just sprouting the seed, but it has to become the tree otherwise nobody can be helped.So you see just tell them they - all the dangers of not being properly brought up or mature in Sahaja Yoga. It has to be told because all this lovey-dovey business doesn't help in America, I've seen that. You need really fiery people because recently I was listening to a speech of this Billy Graham, and I said, "It's such an empty-headed fellow talks through his hat," but still people were so impressed. And there was another one now I think he is behind jail. I don't know his name, some funny man. So I saw him also, I was surprised he was just talking something empty, like empty shell and people were all mad after him - thousands standing, singing, doing this, doing that. So one has to understand that these people require shocks, and they're to be shocked and they're to be told that "This is going to happen." There's one other organisation which has gone into a kind of a shocking system is the [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi] Brahma Kumari, Brahma Kumari, you see this Brahma Kumaris have become like lightnings and they tell people - now they don't tell that, "You are destroyed," what they tell, "This world is going to be destroyed, everything is going to be destroyed and you know you are not prepared for it, what's going to happen?" Same thing Jehovah Witness is doing, the same thing. They are saying, "This world is going to be destroyed, and we are all going to be destroyed; so we should be prepared and we should take to God." But this is not reality. Despite that people are after that. You have to tell them the reality that "Not only that you're destroying yourself, but you're destroying the future." People are already talking that most of the people in America will be destroyed. Now it comes from various reasons. We can say that there are no traditions and things - that's not the point, that's not the main point. One of the main points is that they destroyed so many people when they came and settle down in this country. That's one point. Now the bhoots of those people who died are still hanging around, and they want to see that they destroy Americans as far as possible. The amount of witchcraft, the amount of all negative techniques that are working in America, they're working nowhere. The gurus had to get out of the all the countries, but they're still very nicely settle in America. The reason is these bhoots are giving them ideas. It's not only that they need shocks, but also these bhoots give them this perverted ideas of destruction, so they go for their destruction. Now the bhootish ideas are such that you see a person coming out of a pub, falls down. And bhootish idea is that "What's the harm? You also try, you will never fall. You go in, nothing will happen to you. You're perfectly all right. After all, doesn't matter." Or else you tell them that "This is wrong. We should not do." "All right, so we are bad. So what?" These are all bhootish ideas. These are not human ideas to talk like this or to say like that. So to all these people, you see, the only thing that is going to bring round is the Vishnumaya Shakti, nothing else. I now realize that it's only through Vishnumaya people can be cured. So Vishnumaya Itself now has gone off to sleep, thanks to Christian religion, Catholic religion and also Hinduism, because in Hinduism also there is a idea of sin - that you have sinned this, you have done that sin. So give so much money to the Brahmin, so you'll be saved. I mean every religion has this nonsense. But this Vishnumaya Shakti, which is being absolutely subdued and is sleeping in human beings, if you can raise It and tell people to get up out of this slumber, this laziness, by involving them very much in a bigger way, by telling them that we are for peace, peace of the world. We are for the emancipation of the humanity, we are for saving people from blunders and from their destruction. If you take a bigger platform and talk about those things, then it will be helped. For example, now it's a very good thing that I was with Mahatma Gandhi, and people have got great respect for Mahatma Gandhi. Of course and Mahatma Gandhi was very much impressed about Me no doubt. Even when I was a child, he used to consult Me, and the proof of that is that in his bhajans he has put the serial of the bhajans in different ways, starting from the heart talking about the Atma and then he's starting from the Mooladhara upward like that. So I mean that's one of the proofs that he must have consulted Me. But whatever it is, you have - can use him also that Shri Mataji is doing what Mahatma Gandhi said. He has talked about sarva dharma savanatma means all the religions are treated with same respect and same understanding. Once you start talking like that, you see, then people will understand that it has some noble heritage behind it, because everybody wants to know from what book I've learnt. I have never learnt from any book, that you know very well. But you can say that "She is the One Who was with him" and that "He was very much impressed by Her," and the same ideas of peace and non violence and all that. "These are the same techniques and methods She wants to use." That's a fact, no doubt, but Mahatma Gandhi was a very fiery speaker. All people who followed him were very fiery. They were not just "All right, come along, have a cup of tea" and this kind of thing is not going to work out. So Americans need challenge, and they need really a fiery person to blast them. So now if you go on this way - like the other day when we had a program in New York and there were so many black people and so many Chinese, and then there were so many Indians and very few were whites. So whites came and say, "Oh, nothing has happened to me, you know." So then what you have to do, "Nothing is happened?" "Yes, that's what." "Must be something wrong with you, or must be you must have committed some sins or something." So then they get a shock. "Oh, it's something surprising you haven't got it. Oh it's very wrong, something wrong with you. You should get it. Try to get it, you know, it's very wrong. I hope you don't have cancer." [laughter] Or you can ask, "Are you suffering from AIDS?" "No, no, no." "Then what are you suffering from? How is it you didn't get it? You see this black man got it, this Chinese has got it. Why don't you get it? You are a white skin man, you should get it first." Then things will work out. I have been thinking about it, why these Americans are so dull, because you see they are on the whole very dull people, extremely dull. Because this kind of a rock music, you see, if you play before anyone people would run away. "What is this going on?" But the way they like this rap music yesterday, they wanted Me to listen. The heart started beating the other way around. I said, "What's happening?" And the whole thing started shaking. I sat on a bench and the whole bench was shaking. There, who sat with Me was, he was there and also Karan was there and we found that he - Karan and everybody was jumping like that, on - it was like a earthquake going on. So this is what it is, that you see these people are very, very dull people and numbed out and they're numbed out because of their so call freedom. It's like you go and ask a bull, "Come and hit me," sort of thing, you see. They have gone out of the way to numb themselves completely; and this numbness may be alcohol, may be drugs, may be woman, may be marrying so many times. If you marry one time it's sufficient. If you marry five times, I mean you become - I don't know what, like a - I don't know if there's any animal like that. But something you become absolutely numb to things, you see. Because first of all marrying one wife, then you have attachments with her, you have children and you - I mean after all it's so much to do with your wife and then suddenly you divorce and you don't feel anything, you don't feel it. It's great numbness and if you tell them, "Yes I know, I know, I know." They know but they don't feel. They don't feel that they're doing anything wrong, they don't feel they have done anything absurd and they don't suffer. Any other person would suffer. Yes, he has divorced his wife and it becomes really a person quite lost, should be normally. But here what you find very nicely boasting, "You know, I have divorced my two wives, and this third one is coming up. You can meet her." So that there's no shame about it, no shame, no feelings, nothing. I mean you married a woman, you lived with her, she was your wife and you have no feelings for her. Your own children also they have no feelings at all, no feelings. Of course they're not like English, where the English people kill their children, so that's not so bad. But here I've heard also they kill their husband, wife, kills each other and all that. And for what? For love. When they do not have love for one husband, how are they going to have love for another husband? I can't understand. Love is a quality of heart. So this is what it is - if you see the whole character is numbed out because they don't behave like human beings. They behave like - I don't know, again I say I don't know like who because there's no comparison whatsoever. So it is not that only in America people are like that, it is all over. But in America it is too much, too much of it, and all such things rise from America. All such funny notions rise from America, and everybody takes them because they know how to advertise, they know how to make it very, very popular. Once I was travelling by a ship and a pilot came over the ship, and he was talking to Me and he told Me that his brother is a very nasty devil. I said, "What happened?" So he said that he got hold of these four boys who were Beatles, and he became their manager. And he started this music and got some women, got them drunk, put them on the drugs. And the first music when they had that music, these girls started screaming, shouting, going mad. And it become popular. Normally the reaction would be that, "Ba, it's such a thing that when the music starts the girls go mad, so don't go to such a music." On the contrary, so many started coming. How do you explain this kind of a reaction? The more they shout, the more they scream, according to them it's something. Means behind it is one thing that it has touched them somehow; otherwise, why will they scream? Means such dumb people are been touched by something is something great and all of us should go. We are also dumb, so we should attend to it. Now you may ask Me that "Mother how this dumbness has come into people and this?" Is as simple as that as I told you, that they've used their freedom to such an extent, their attention to such a wasteful pursuits, that they have become really numb. Their attention doesn't feel anything. Attention when you put it out it reacts, and it comes back to you as something. But if you all the time go on bombarding outside your attention, this some bombardment from outside just finishes all your sensitivity. There's no feeling, there's no attachment, there is no, no recording of anything that is happening. So for that I think Vishnumaya is needed, and that's why She's placed on the left side because Vishnumaya is the One in charge of people who have become absolutely feelingless. That's why She's there to give you the feeling. So on the left side when She shines She gives you the feelings, and people start understanding. So now the only thing that they have is a kind of a mental idea that they're guilty, that's all. This is just mental. If it is mental idea, "Oh, I'm guilty," then you are not going to feel it. I mean if you are, say that you are mad, when you're not mad if anybody calls you mad you are not going to feel it. It's like this. So they don't feel it at all because it is all mentally accepted thing and they have become numb, "Now nobody can harm you, so what's wrong?" sort of an attitude. I would now ask you people to go all out and become fiery, write in newspapers and say what’s happening and how things are. I’m writing a book like that now. It’s called as Meta Modernism, and as far as I could be fiery I’m going to be there to tell them what’s wrong with them. And they should see to it that this is all wrong. No use trying to call it something great. Like now AIDS have come up. I thought with AIDS, they will be awakened. So now the AIDS have become a martyrdom.Now the yuppies, the yuppies came up, I said, “The yuppies will suffer from a disease.”So now they said, “No, no, no, no. It’s very nice to be yuppies. After all you see they are another heroes who died for their yuppism.”Like you see, every stupidity is made into a something, kind of a very glorifying thing, so just – and people accept it. That’s the best part of it – they accept it. So it is important for you to be fiery, and to show them in that light what they are. They have to be shown. It’s not just a little light of the Spirit will show them much, but it’s the real dazzling, burning light of a lightening.So today’s puja is going to be especially for you all to develop that creativity of talking, behaving in every way in a fiery way. That is going to put them right, nothing else.In creative work also, when we create something or we sing something and all that, if you go on singing, say, in our Indian style, some music which is "vilambit tala" [slow rhythm] you see, very slow "talas", that won’t come up. They like somebody like Ravi Shankar who just goes on mixing up notes and just goes on playing something which is very, very unscientific according to Indians things, and is not at all entertaining, it doesn’t open your heart and something like that. But, that is the thing that appeals to them, to go into a big sort of a rock and roll sort – make it, sitar into rock and roll, and even worse than that. I don’t know the new, latest one I don’t know what it is.So the second thing is that you can see how they try to shock people. Also they try to shock people, because they know that they are also like us. Like you go in the market, you find somebody, his pant is – not pant even, half pant – is all torn at wrong places, and it is just to shock people. They are supposed to, here at least, they are supposed to, in America it is supposed to be, you have to dress up decently. You should not be indecently dressed. That’s what they want. But, what you find, whatever chance they can get to dress up in a way that you’ll be shocked, they would like to do. Like they’ll have only one part of the hair as white. I mean anything, anything is possible just to shock others, shock others and attract the attention. And what do you get? Nothing. You spend so much money to attract the attention of others, but what do you get? That attention doesn’t give you anything, doesn’t pay you anything, doesn’t compensate. So it’s such a joyless pursuit they get into. All these things spoil their attention, which destroys it to this extent that they’re feelingless people. They have no feelings left. And then the worse thing that has happened is they have become absolutely money-orientated. So the money is another side of Saraswati. Saraswati is different from Lakshmi, so the Lakshmi and the Saraswati never go hand in hand. This is the reason why when they get after Lakshmi, run after money too much, they get shocks. Because there's a - suddenly you find stock exchange has fallen, there's a recession, this business is gone, somebody who's very rich suddenly becomes a poor man. Is all the work, this is all the work of the Saraswati. And if somebody is too much in Saraswati - reads too many books, is an artist who is very ambitious, who tries to outshine other artist and all that - such a person also gets back a reward from Lakshmi that his things never sell, he never gets money, he starves, all sorts of thing. So these two things are in balance only in Hamsa, or we can say they are in balance when you are Sahaja Yogi. So this has to be achieved and is to be put together in balance that you have the blessings of the Saraswati as well as that of Lakshmi. But it crosses only at the Hamsa point and at the Vishuddhi point. So what do we have to do to bring the balance is that whatever we are earning, whatever we are doing, we should not be in mediocre way. We should try to do it in a dynamic way, in a fiery way. These two things should be combined at the Vishuddhi level. So now, supposing you are going to give a lecture about Sahaja Yoga in a fiery way, and if you wear a dress that you look like a hippie or somebody coming out of a jail, nobody is going to take you seriously. But if you're properly dressed and you look respectable and presentation is good, and then you give fiery speech, everybody is going to listen. So this principle of Lakshmi Tattwa is to be used with the domination of the Saraswati principle. Now another blessings of Saraswati is that you can have knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. I've seen many women especially in Sahaja Yoga, they're Sahaja Yogis, their vibrations and all that is there, but they do not know what is Sahaja Yoga. They do not know what these chakras are. They do not know that how these vibrations go out. Now today's lecture is quite a lecture quite complicated I would say, if you see to it. You have to listen to it at least four, five times to understand it with the paper and a pencil. It's not an easy thing because I'm telling you now it's all right, it's quite entertaining, but behind the entertainment there is a deep knowledge. So I've not seen the Sahaja Yoginis mostly sit down with a paper and pencil to know what is Mother saying, what is the knowledge She's giving us about the various things. To them Sahaja Yoga means to be nice, to cook good food and help the Sahaja Yogis, just as come to the pujas and all that and finished, also. So for them it is very important that they should also know what is Sahaja Yoga. They must listen to My lectures, sit down, study it nicely and understand it. The other way around are the men. For them it is to do all the outside work, go round, see things and all that, But as far as relationships are concerned, or as far as emotional side are concerned, they're negligent. And that is why Sahaja Yoga by men is different; Sahaja Yoga by women is different. And in France specially it has gone very far away from each other. The women were on one side, man are on other side. Imagine in Sahaja Yoga you have such a nonsense as that, but then we discover the person who was doing it and we managed it, so it was settle down and now things are better. But women must know about Sahaja Yoga, but that doesn't mean that they should fight with them, or think that they also know what these men know. But it's very, very common. I've seen that men and women are having a different type of attitude towards Sahaja Yoga. One is an extravert, another is an introvert. But in Sahaja Yoga there is no difference between a woman and a man as far as knowing Sahaja Yoga is concerned. I'm a woman Myself and I know so much, so why not the woman shouldn't know about what is Sahaja Yoga? So all the women who are here or all over have to know what is Sahaja Yoga. After all, look at Vishnumaya - She is a woman, is the Power that works. Brahmadeva doesn't work. He's created all these things because He has the Power of Saraswati, otherwise He could not have created. So everything is done through the Power and the Power is a women, but if the Power doesn't know what is Sahaja Yoga, how is She going to work it out? So the women, though they have children, I know - they have to look after the household, kitchen - but it's such a pleasure, such a joy to read about Sahaja Yoga, to understand it, to know it. Of course some of them do also read. I'm not saying that they do not. But there are very, very few and they are very sensible, very sensible. So this is My understanding of today's happening that in this natural surrounding, these natural surrounding where we are blessed by the work of Brahmadeva and Saraswati, and where we can feel the capacity of these Deities, to what extent They can create. The nature is absolutely one with the Divine. Now see, as soon as I came here the nature knew I'm there. It just started acting by itself. I didn't have to give them a lecture, they didn't have to do a puja, nothing of the kind. They know what I was doing. I went to Los Angeles, same thing. Anywhere I go the nature knows what is to be done, "Now Mother is in the town, what should we do?" And they do it. So this is the trouble, is that I have make you to do all kinds of deliberations for human beings that "All right, do this, do that, do that." But I would say that spontaneously it should happen, because now we are one. Just like the nature is one with Me, you are also one with Me. And that should start happening when you will really become absolutely drawn into Sahaja Yoga, surrendered into Sahaja Yoga then only it will happen. May God bless you. Now Saraswati is the Goddess of learning and Mahasaraswati is the Goddess of knowledge, which is pure knowledge. Now the Goddess of learning, Saraswati, has got four arms. She wears white, white cloths because is a sign of purity. She's a virgin. Then She has in Her hand the vina, that is the instrument which was the first instrument that was created by the Gods to play the classical music, or you can say the music that was appreciated by the Gods. So that's one is vina, and two other hands are: one has got a rosary in the hand, in the sense a person who is learned should be a person who should be very much detached. A saintly person should not have too many attachments and should not be - it always happens a person who is a learned man, who is over-educated, who is not so much interested in the family, he becomes more aesthetic, is very discipline, self discipline. He's very meticulous, is very efficient, is very right-sided, as you can call it you see, so all that goes hand in hand. And then is in the left hand She has a book, so She - that means that the Power of Saraswati gives you the full creativity by which you can create books. That also means that, but must have in the books means that whatever you're doing now - supposing you're doing Sahaja Yoga, Sahaja Yoga is say concerning the Divine. So we must know what are in the books, means in the scriptures. We must know how it relates to the scriptures like it should not be something just coming like a mushroom knowledge, but it should be related to the books, means which is already written down, which is already being typed, being printed. But that doesn't mean that it is a bookish knowledge, but it is whatever you have found out, whatever you have discovered has to be related to the books. And that is the Power She gives us, that She relates. Like when you must have read many books where there are quotations, even I use many quotations, and I give you now this all this knowledge is already part of it, I should say not the all, but part of it from the books in the sense it is written about Saraswati and everything. So one must learn how to respect the books, specially the scriptures. And She's the One Who gives you the penetration power into these books, to know what is the truth and what is not - penetration power to understand what is written between the lines, what is the subtle meaning of the whole thing - that is the Power of Saraswati. There's another Power She has is Vak Shakti, by which you give speech. She's the One Who gives you the power to speak. She's the One Who gives you the power to communicate, by speech, by your writings, by all the drama or plays you have or films you have - any kind of communications that are done through the Power of Saraswati has that intellect behind it, and that intellect comes from Her Power. So even Shri Krishna has to use Her Power. Everybody has to use Her Power, because if you don't use the Saraswati's Power, then only Shri Krishna's one Power is that He is a diplomat and that diplomacy comes from the Power of the Saraswati. So everybody whosoever you find as brilliant is, actually has been endowed with this Power of Saraswati. The people who are worshipping Saraswati have to be detached people because those who are learned, those who are artist, those who are producing art and all those thing are not so much rewarded in their lifetime. So if they're detached from Lakshmi, if they're detached from things, then they're just produce it for their own joy. They don't worry how much money we are going to get. So the Lakshmi's Powers are to give you a great learning, to give you a great understanding intellectuality and to give you a kind of a personality that outshines others by your brilliance. But it may not give you money, it may not give you lots of possessions, but it gives you possessions which are - cannot be stolen, which cannot be taken away. And She is a person of humility, so the person who is a learned has to be humble. If he is not humble, then he's not learned according to the Principle of Saraswati. She has - the person who is very much learned has to bow down with the fruits of his learnings, so that a person who is learned and thinks no end of himself is a person who has not yet learned fully, is a half-baked person and that's why a egoist cannot be a learned man. Learned man is always extremely humble. That is the sign, because She is the Power which gives you humility, not humility of a businessman but a genuine humility She gives you. There are so many qualities and I think I'll be able to write one day about them.

Shri Mahasaraswati Puja. Vancouver (Canada), 11 August 1990. When they asked Me what puja we should have in Vancouver, I had heard about this ashram that it is placed in very beautiful surroundings of nature and, as nature is being created by the power of Saraswati, I thought best would be to have the Puja of Saraswati here. Another thing is that when people live in nature, they become extremely creative, their delicate feelings are preserved and they are never in a rush; or they are not what we can call too much modernized, because nature soothes them down. So also the creativity of Saraswati adds to artist, and I knew that there must have been many artist in this country created since long. The Canada as such I feel is the Hamsa Chakra of the Vishuddhi, but the power of Saraswati becomes Mahasaraswati when it is manifested by the Mahabrahmadeva which is called as Hiranyagarbha. For that She has to cross through the Hamsa. She crosses through Hamsa and becomes the Vishnumaya Shakti. I mean She is the Vishnumaya Shakti. So Saraswati becomes the Vishnumaya. She crosses at two points - one at Hamsa and another at Vishuddhi - so She is the Sister of Shri Krishna. So Saraswati was born as the Sister of Shri Krishna, and when Krishna's mama name whose was, uncle was Kamsa, he came to kill Her, She just rose into the sky and became the lightning, and She declared the coming of Shri Krishna, that He is already there existing. So the relationship between Shri Krishna and Vishnumaya is that of a brother and a sister, and surprisingly the other day we celebrated the Rakhi Bandhan, Raksha Bandhan, which is the same thing as the brothers/sisters relationship. So now here we are celebrating actually the Deity which is the Sister of Shri Krishna. Later on She was born as Draupadi, and that's why Shri Krishna went to save Her chastity, because is the brother only who is concerned about the chastity and the name of the sister. So this is what yesterday happened that is the Saraswati Puja, so Vishnumaya, Herself, yesterday sixteen times thundered here; and I didn't tell anybody what was happening, but I knew She would do that. And apart from that, She has also threatened Washington. That's a good thing because Washington has to be awakened. Now these are very, very subtle things and very subtle relations, and only I can tell these things because I know them, that these relations exist. So I was not surprised that She was there, but exactly sixteen hundred times She passed it, this part of Vancouver, is to show that the time has come for you to understand that Sahaja Yoga is so important, and if we do not assert ourselves fully to Sahaja Yoga, Vishnumaya is going to take another form which may burn all your forest, may burn everything. Now you must know that lightning represents all the five elements in it - it has sound, it has light, it is in the ether, it acts in the ether. Also it has got what you called the water in it, and when the water goes into friction, which is the Mother earth, so all these things act through Her. So this Vishnumaya yesterday showed us that "I'm here now. Please worship Me." And so far we have never worshiped Saraswati, and Brahmadeva is not worshiped anywhere because He created this world, He created all this woods and all these things and they created all the seas and all the lands, all the stars, universes after universes. But we are not to worship like we worship this tree or that tree. We are not to worship anything of that kind, only thing whatever is created by Mother Earth like swayambus, that's only we worship. And that, too, we worship now in a way that is an abstract way, because wherever they have appeared people are doing commercial religion, so we don't go to this places also as Sahaja Yogis. So you can understand why all these things happened unexpectedly yesterday after My coming, that there was such a light of lighting which never happened before and people were surprised. So is the Krishna's Sister who is a much more dynamic and [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi] much more fiery personality - much, much more fiery personality. Shri Krishna's essence is that He is sweetness. Madhuria is His capacity and Radha is the Allahda Dayini Shakti, means the One which gives you that joy which creates [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi], raises your hair with joy - so, but in Sanskrit it is pulakit, pulakita is the word. So this beauty of Shri Krishna which is sweetness, the leela, creating beautiful feelings of oneness of communication - all that is in Shri Krishna. But She's the One Who warns, and that is how the warning came. And She's a very fiery personality which warns everyone. So on one way She has proved My coming here, that I'm here. Perhaps maybe to the people who are aboriginals they might understand that this is what was prophesied and that has happened, and also that you people have to realize it's a warning that you cannot just allow Sahaja Yoga to drift in such a manner that it takes its own course and works out, and you are just by the way there. So this is a warning of Shri Krishna's Sister, Vishnumaya, which is Saraswati Herself, and that is what today we are going to worship Her. Only the Sahaja Yogis, those who are enlightened people, can worship Mahasaraswati. Otherwise people can only worship Saraswati because with worship of Saraswati you can read books, you can create dances, music, for the amusement of human beings, but actually the Saraswati Puja is meant for people of ordinary awareness, means ordinary or normal human awareness. But for Sahaja Yogis, it is the Mahasaraswati which is to be worshiped. As I have told you this Mahasaraswati becomes the Vishnumaya, and She is Vishnumaya so you have to be person that you should, yourself should inform people like the Vishnumaya does what Sahaja Yoga is with your fiery talks, with things of exciting them, telling them what are you up to. But what I have seen is that mostly when people speak they try to be very gentle and sweet like Shri Krishna. We tried that in America, that it might work with Americans, but it did not. They like people like say that Graham fellow or somebody like that who talks in a fiery way. And I think this is what we have to learn from yesterday's experience: that you need really some fiery speakers and fiery people because they are not at all sensitive to normal sensations. You see they, all their sensations are dead I think they have become numb, and you have to give them some shocks. They like shocks, you see. Newspaper have to give them shocks, any event that is shocking - that can only attract their attention. Even the music has to be so much that so it should break the rocks. It should be such music that will just break their heads. So they have become really rocky people, and you have to understand that their rockiness can only be shattered by Vishnumaya. And that's why this puja that we have today in Vancouver has a very great significance - not only for Canada, but also for America. Americans are taking for granted whatever diseases coming today, whatever drugs they are taking, whatever destruction they're doing to themselves is still not in their understanding. They don't understand what they're doing to themselves, how they're destroying themselves, how such a precious human life they're wasting just for their own whim and for their so-called freedom. So it is extremely, extremely important that you should try to tell them in a fiery way, "What are you doing? Why are you deceiving yourself? Why don't you understand this is wrong? At least for the progeny, you tell them that 'We did this wrong, but you should not do it.'"All this kind of talk has to be there and people have to get ready for such great speeches and things, but to say that people won't like it, I think is the other way around, unless and until you frighten them they're not going to be with you.So you have to tell and warn them and that's what the Vishnumaya yesterday has suggested that now take to a new style of strategy and talk to people in a way that whenever you are doing - say you are doing a course, at the end of the course you have to say that "Now, you see, Sahaja Yoga is not only doing the course, but it's for your well being, for your benevolence. And you have to go further with it and you have to grow. Now don't leave it half way." It's not like just sprouting the seed, but it has to become the tree otherwise nobody can be helped.So you see just tell them they - all the dangers of not being properly brought up or mature in Sahaja Yoga. It has to be told because all this lovey-dovey business doesn't help in America, I've seen that. You need really fiery people because recently I was listening to a speech of this Billy Graham, and I said, "It's such an empty-headed fellow talks through his hat," but still people were so impressed. And there was another one now I think he is behind jail. I don't know his name, some funny man. So I saw him also, I was surprised he was just talking something empty, like empty shell and people were all mad after him - thousands standing, singing, doing this, doing that. So one has to understand that these people require shocks, and they're to be shocked and they're to be told that "This is going to happen." There's one other organisation which has gone into a kind of a shocking system is the [Shri Mataji speaks aside in Hindi] Brahma Kumari, Brahma Kumari, you see this Brahma Kumaris have become like lightnings and they tell people - now they don't tell that, "You are destroyed," what they tell, "This world is going to be destroyed, everything is going to be destroyed and you know you are not prepared for it, what's going to happen?" Same thing Jehovah Witness is doing, the same thing. They are saying, "This world is going to be destroyed, and we are all going to be destroyed; so we should be prepared and we should take to God." But this is not reality. Despite that people are after that. You have to tell them the reality that "Not only that you're destroying yourself, but you're destroying the future." People are already talking that most of the people in America will be destroyed. Now it comes from various reasons. We can say that there are no traditions and things - that's not the point, that's not the main point. One of the main points is that they destroyed so many people when they came and settle down in this country. That's one point. Now the bhoots of those people who died are still hanging around, and they want to see that they destroy Americans as far as possible. The amount of witchcraft, the amount of all negative techniques that are working in America, they're working nowhere. The gurus had to get out of the all the countries, but they're still very nicely settle in America. The reason is these bhoots are giving them ideas. It's not only that they need shocks, but also these bhoots give them this perverted ideas of destruction, so they go for their destruction. Now the bhootish ideas are such that you see a person coming out of a pub, falls down. And bhootish idea is that "What's the harm? You also try, you will never fall. You go in, nothing will happen to you. You're perfectly all right. After all, doesn't matter." Or else you tell them that "This is wrong. We should not do." "All right, so we are bad. So what?" These are all bhootish ideas. These are not human ideas to talk like this or to say like that. So to all these people, you see, the only thing that is going to bring round is the Vishnumaya Shakti, nothing else. I now realize that it's only through Vishnumaya people can be cured. So Vishnumaya Itself now has gone off to sleep, thanks to Christian religion, Catholic religion and also Hinduism, because in Hinduism also there is a idea of sin - that you have sinned this, you have done that sin. So give so much money to the Brahmin, so you'll be saved. I mean every religion has this nonsense. But this Vishnumaya Shakti, which is being absolutely subdued and is sleeping in human beings, if you can raise It and tell people to get up out of this slumber, this laziness, by involving them very much in a bigger way, by telling them that we are for peace, peace of the world. We are for the emancipation of the humanity, we are for saving people from blunders and from their destruction. If you take a bigger platform and talk about those things, then it will be helped. For example, now it's a very good thing that I was with Mahatma Gandhi, and people have got great respect for Mahatma Gandhi. Of course and Mahatma Gandhi was very much impressed about Me no doubt. Even when I was a child, he used to consult Me, and the proof of that is that in his bhajans he has put the serial of the bhajans in different ways, starting from the heart talking about the Atma and then he's starting from the Mooladhara upward like that. So I mean that's one of the proofs that he must have consulted Me. But whatever it is, you have - can use him also that Shri Mataji is doing what Mahatma Gandhi said. He has talked about sarva dharma savanatma means all the religions are treated with same respect and same understanding. Once you start talking like that, you see, then people will understand that it has some noble heritage behind it, because everybody wants to know from what book I've learnt. I have never learnt from any book, that you know very well. But you can say that "She is the One Who was with him" and that "He was very much impressed by Her," and the same ideas of peace and non violence and all that. "These are the same techniques and methods She wants to use." That's a fact, no doubt, but Mahatma Gandhi was a very fiery speaker. All people who followed him were very fiery. They were not just "All right, come along, have a cup of tea" and this kind of thing is not going to work out. So Americans need challenge, and they need really a fiery person to blast them. So now if you go on this way - like the other day when we had a program in New York and there were so many black people and so many Chinese, and then there were so many Indians and very few were whites. So whites came and say, "Oh, nothing has happened to me, you know." So then what you have to do, "Nothing is happened?" "Yes, that's what." "Must be something wrong with you, or must be you must have committed some sins or something." So then they get a shock. "Oh, it's something surprising you haven't got it. Oh it's very wrong, something wrong with you. You should get it. Try to get it, you know, it's very wrong. I hope you don't have cancer." [laughter] Or you can ask, "Are you suffering from AIDS?" "No, no, no." "Then what are you suffering from? How is it you didn't get it? You see this black man got it, this Chinese has got it. Why don't you get it? You are a white skin man, you should get it first." Then things will work out. I have been thinking about it, why these Americans are so dull, because you see they are on the whole very dull people, extremely dull. Because this kind of a rock music, you see, if you play before anyone people would run away. "What is this going on?" But the way they like this rap music yesterday, they wanted Me to listen. The heart started beating the other way around. I said, "What's happening?" And the whole thing started shaking. I sat on a bench and the whole bench was shaking. There, who sat with Me was, he was there and also Karan was there and we found that he - Karan and everybody was jumping like that, on - it was like a earthquake going on. So this is what it is, that you see these people are very, very dull people and numbed out and they're numbed out because of their so call freedom. It's like you go and ask a bull, "Come and hit me," sort of thing, you see. They have gone out of the way to numb themselves completely; and this numbness may be alcohol, may be drugs, may be woman, may be marrying so many times. If you marry one time it's sufficient. If you marry five times, I mean you become - I don't know what, like a - I don't know if there's any animal like that. But something you become absolutely numb to things, you see. Because first of all marrying one wife, then you have attachments with her, you have children and you - I mean after all it's so much to do with your wife and then suddenly you divorce and you don't feel anything, you don't feel it. It's great numbness and if you tell them, "Yes I know, I know, I know." They know but they don't feel. They don't feel that they're doing anything wrong, they don't feel they have done anything absurd and they don't suffer. Any other person would suffer. Yes, he has divorced his wife and it becomes really a person quite lost, should be normally. But here what you find very nicely boasting, "You know, I have divorced my two wives, and this third one is coming up. You can meet her." So that there's no shame about it, no shame, no feelings, nothing. I mean you married a woman, you lived with her, she was your wife and you have no feelings for her. Your own children also they have no feelings at all, no feelings. Of course they're not like English, where the English people kill their children, so that's not so bad. But here I've heard also they kill their husband, wife, kills each other and all that. And for what? For love. When they do not have love for one husband, how are they going to have love for another husband? I can't understand. Love is a quality of heart. So this is what it is - if you see the whole character is numbed out because they don't behave like human beings. They behave like - I don't know, again I say I don't know like who because there's no comparison whatsoever. So it is not that only in America people are like that, it is all over. But in America it is too much, too much of it, and all such things rise from America. All such funny notions rise from America, and everybody takes them because they know how to advertise, they know how to make it very, very popular. Once I was travelling by a ship and a pilot came over the ship, and he was talking to Me and he told Me that his brother is a very nasty devil. I said, "What happened?" So he said that he got hold of these four boys who were Beatles, and he became their manager. And he started this music and got some women, got them drunk, put them on the drugs. And the first music when they had that music, these girls started screaming, shouting, going mad. And it become popular. Normally the reaction would be that, "Ba, it's such a thing that when the music starts the girls go mad, so don't go to such a music." On the contrary, so many started coming. How do you explain this kind of a reaction? The more they shout, the more they scream, according to them it's something. Means behind it is one thing that it has touched them somehow; otherwise, why will they scream? Means such dumb people are been touched by something is something great and all of us should go. We are also dumb, so we should attend to it. Now you may ask Me that "Mother how this dumbness has come into people and this?" Is as simple as that as I told you, that they've used their freedom to such an extent, their attention to such a wasteful pursuits, that they have become really numb. Their attention doesn't feel anything. Attention when you put it out it reacts, and it comes back to you as something. But if you all the time go on bombarding outside your attention, this some bombardment from outside just finishes all your sensitivity. There's no feeling, there's no attachment, there is no, no recording of anything that is happening. So for that I think Vishnumaya is needed, and that's why She's placed on the left side because Vishnumaya is the One in charge of people who have become absolutely feelingless. That's why She's there to give you the feeling. So on the left side when She shines She gives you the feelings, and people start understanding. So now the only thing that they have is a kind of a mental idea that they're guilty, that's all. This is just mental. If it is mental idea, "Oh, I'm guilty," then you are not going to feel it. I mean if you are, say that you are mad, when you're not mad if anybody calls you mad you are not going to feel it. It's like this. So they don't feel it at all because it is all mentally accepted thing and they have become numb, "Now nobody can harm you, so what's wrong?" sort of an attitude. I would now ask you people to go all out and become fiery, write in newspapers and say what’s happening and how things are. I’m writing a book like that now. It’s called as Meta Modernism, and as far as I could be fiery I’m going to be there to tell them what’s wrong with them. And they should see to it that this is all wrong. No use trying to call it something great. Like now AIDS have come up. I thought with AIDS, they will be awakened. So now the AIDS have become a martyrdom.Now the yuppies, the yuppies came up, I said, “The yuppies will suffer from a disease.”So now they said, “No, no, no, no. It’s very nice to be yuppies. After all you see they are another heroes who died for their yuppism.”Like you see, every stupidity is made into a something, kind of a very glorifying thing, so just – and people accept it. That’s the best part of it – they accept it. So it is important for you to be fiery, and to show them in that light what they are. They have to be shown. It’s not just a little light of the Spirit will show them much, but it’s the real dazzling, burning light of a lightening.So today’s puja is going to be especially for you all to develop that creativity of talking, behaving in every way in a fiery way. That is going to put them right, nothing else.In creative work also, when we create something or we sing something and all that, if you go on singing, say, in our Indian style, some music which is "vilambit tala" [slow rhythm] you see, very slow "talas", that won’t come up. They like somebody like Ravi Shankar who just goes on mixing up notes and just goes on playing something which is very, very unscientific according to Indians things, and is not at all entertaining, it doesn’t open your heart and something like that. But, that is the thing that appeals to them, to go into a big sort of a rock and roll sort – make it, sitar into rock and roll, and even worse than that. I don’t know the new, latest one I don’t know what it is.So the second thing is that you can see how they try to shock people. Also they try to shock people, because they know that they are also like us. Like you go in the market, you find somebody, his pant is – not pant even, half pant – is all torn at wrong places, and it is just to shock people. They are supposed to, here at least, they are supposed to, in America it is supposed to be, you have to dress up decently. You should not be indecently dressed. That’s what they want. But, what you find, whatever chance they can get to dress up in a way that you’ll be shocked, they would like to do. Like they’ll have only one part of the hair as white. I mean anything, anything is possible just to shock others, shock others and attract the attention. And what do you get? Nothing. You spend so much money to attract the attention of others, but what do you get? That attention doesn’t give you anything, doesn’t pay you anything, doesn’t compensate. So it’s such a joyless pursuit they get into. All these things spoil their attention, which destroys it to this extent that they’re feelingless people. They have no feelings left. And then the worse thing that has happened is they have become absolutely money-orientated. So the money is another side of Saraswati. Saraswati is different from Lakshmi, so the Lakshmi and the Saraswati never go hand in hand. This is the reason why when they get after Lakshmi, run after money too much, they get shocks. Because there's a - suddenly you find stock exchange has fallen, there's a recession, this business is gone, somebody who's very rich suddenly becomes a poor man. Is all the work, this is all the work of the Saraswati. And if somebody is too much in Saraswati - reads too many books, is an artist who is very ambitious, who tries to outshine other artist and all that - such a person also gets back a reward from Lakshmi that his things never sell, he never gets money, he starves, all sorts of thing. So these two things are in balance only in Hamsa, or we can say they are in balance when you are Sahaja Yogi. So this has to be achieved and is to be put together in balance that you have the blessings of the Saraswati as well as that of Lakshmi. But it crosses only at the Hamsa point and at the Vishuddhi point. So what do we have to do to bring the balance is that whatever we are earning, whatever we are doing, we should not be in mediocre way. We should try to do it in a dynamic way, in a fiery way. These two things should be combined at the Vishuddhi level. So now, supposing you are going to give a lecture about Sahaja Yoga in a fiery way, and if you wear a dress that you look like a hippie or somebody coming out of a jail, nobody is going to take you seriously. But if you're properly dressed and you look respectable and presentation is good, and then you give fiery speech, everybody is going to listen. So this principle of Lakshmi Tattwa is to be used with the domination of the Saraswati principle. Now another blessings of Saraswati is that you can have knowledge of Sahaja Yoga. I've seen many women especially in Sahaja Yoga, they're Sahaja Yogis, their vibrations and all that is there, but they do not know what is Sahaja Yoga. They do not know what these chakras are. They do not know that how these vibrations go out. Now today's lecture is quite a lecture quite complicated I would say, if you see to it. You have to listen to it at least four, five times to understand it with the paper and a pencil. It's not an easy thing because I'm telling you now it's all right, it's quite entertaining, but behind the entertainment there is a deep knowledge. So I've not seen the Sahaja Yoginis mostly sit down with a paper and pencil to know what is Mother saying, what is the knowledge She's giving us about the various things. To them Sahaja Yoga means to be nice, to cook good food and help the Sahaja Yogis, just as come to the pujas and all that and finished, also. So for them it is very important that they should also know what is Sahaja Yoga. They must listen to My lectures, sit down, study it nicely and understand it. The other way around are the men. For them it is to do all the outside work, go round, see things and all that, But as far as relationships are concerned, or as far as emotional side are concerned, they're negligent. And that is why Sahaja Yoga by men is different; Sahaja Yoga by women is different. And in France specially it has gone very far away from each other. The women were on one side, man are on other side. Imagine in Sahaja Yoga you have such a nonsense as that, but then we discover the person who was doing it and we managed it, so it was settle down and now things are better. But women must know about Sahaja Yoga, but that doesn't mean that they should fight with them, or think that they also know what these men know. But it's very, very common. I've seen that men and women are having a different type of attitude towards Sahaja Yoga. One is an extravert, another is an introvert. But in Sahaja Yoga there is no difference between a woman and a man as far as knowing Sahaja Yoga is concerned. I'm a woman Myself and I know so much, so why not the woman shouldn't know about what is Sahaja Yoga? So all the women who are here or all over have to know what is Sahaja Yoga. After all, look at Vishnumaya - She is a woman, is the Power that works. Brahmadeva doesn't work. He's created all these things because He has the Power of Saraswati, otherwise He could not have created. So everything is done through the Power and the Power is a women, but if the Power doesn't know what is Sahaja Yoga, how is She going to work it out? So the women, though they have children, I know - they have to look after the household, kitchen - but it's such a pleasure, such a joy to read about Sahaja Yoga, to understand it, to know it. Of course some of them do also read. I'm not saying that they do not. But there are very, very few and they are very sensible, very sensible. So this is My understanding of today's happening that in this natural surrounding, these natural surrounding where we are blessed by the work of Brahmadeva and Saraswati, and where we can feel the capacity of these Deities, to what extent They can create. The nature is absolutely one with the Divine. Now see, as soon as I came here the nature knew I'm there. It just started acting by itself. I didn't have to give them a lecture, they didn't have to do a puja, nothing of the kind. They know what I was doing. I went to Los Angeles, same thing. Anywhere I go the nature knows what is to be done, "Now Mother is in the town, what should we do?" And they do it. So this is the trouble, is that I have make you to do all kinds of deliberations for human beings that "All right, do this, do that, do that." But I would say that spontaneously it should happen, because now we are one. Just like the nature is one with Me, you are also one with Me. And that should start happening when you will really become absolutely drawn into Sahaja Yoga, surrendered into Sahaja Yoga then only it will happen. May God bless you. Now Saraswati is the Goddess of learning and Mahasaraswati is the Goddess of knowledge, which is pure knowledge. Now the Goddess of learning, Saraswati, has got four arms. She wears white, white cloths because is a sign of purity. She's a virgin. Then She has in Her hand the vina, that is the instrument which was the first instrument that was created by the Gods to play the classical music, or you can say the music that was appreciated by the Gods. So that's one is vina, and two other hands are: one has got a rosary in the hand, in the sense a person who is learned should be a person who should be very much detached. A saintly person should not have too many attachments and should not be - it always happens a person who is a learned man, who is over-educated, who is not so much interested in the family, he becomes more aesthetic, is very discipline, self discipline. He's very meticulous, is very efficient, is very right-sided, as you can call it you see, so all that goes hand in hand. And then is in the left hand She has a book, so She - that means that the Power of Saraswati gives you the full creativity by which you can create books. That also means that, but must have in the books means that whatever you're doing now - supposing you're doing Sahaja Yoga, Sahaja Yoga is say concerning the Divine. So we must know what are in the books, means in the scriptures. We must know how it relates to the scriptures like it should not be something just coming like a mushroom knowledge, but it should be related to the books, means which is already written down, which is already being typed, being printed. But that doesn't mean that it is a bookish knowledge, but it is whatever you have found out, whatever you have discovered has to be related to the books. And that is the Power She gives us, that She relates. Like when you must have read many books where there are quotations, even I use many quotations, and I give you now this all this knowledge is already part of it, I should say not the all, but part of it from the books in the sense it is written about Saraswati and everything. So one must learn how to respect the books, specially the scriptures. And She's the One Who gives you the penetration power into these books, to know what is the truth and what is not - penetration power to understand what is written between the lines, what is the subtle meaning of the whole thing - that is the Power of Saraswati. There's another Power She has is Vak Shakti, by which you give speech. She's the One Who gives you the power to speak. She's the One Who gives you the power to communicate, by speech, by your writings, by all the drama or plays you have or films you have - any kind of communications that are done through the Power of Saraswati has that intellect behind it, and that intellect comes from Her Power. So even Shri Krishna has to use Her Power. Everybody has to use Her Power, because if you don't use the Saraswati's Power, then only Shri Krishna's one Power is that He is a diplomat and that diplomacy comes from the Power of the Saraswati. So everybody whosoever you find as brilliant is, actually has been endowed with this Power of Saraswati. The people who are worshipping Saraswati have to be detached people because those who are learned, those who are artist, those who are producing art and all those thing are not so much rewarded in their lifetime. So if they're detached from Lakshmi, if they're detached from things, then they're just produce it for their own joy. They don't worry how much money we are going to get. So the Lakshmi's Powers are to give you a great learning, to give you a great understanding intellectuality and to give you a kind of a personality that outshines others by your brilliance. But it may not give you money, it may not give you lots of possessions, but it gives you possessions which are - cannot be stolen, which cannot be taken away. And She is a person of humility, so the person who is a learned has to be humble. If he is not humble, then he's not learned according to the Principle of Saraswati. She has - the person who is very much learned has to bow down with the fruits of his learnings, so that a person who is learned and thinks no end of himself is a person who has not yet learned fully, is a half-baked person and that's why a egoist cannot be a learned man. Learned man is always extremely humble. That is the sign, because She is the Power which gives you humility, not humility of a businessman but a genuine humility She gives you. There are so many qualities and I think I'll be able to write one day about them.

8/17/1990

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Pre-Shri Krishna Puja Talk and 2nd Evening Talk

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Evening before Shri Krishna Puja. Ipswich (UK), 17 August 1990. On the day of Sri Krishna Puja, I’m going to tell you about Sri Krishna. But before that, we should know how the whole thing evolved from Sri Vishnu’s evolutionary process. So, as you know there were ten Avataras, ten incarnations of Sri Vishnu. Now Vishnu is the one which grows to be the Virat, to be the macrocosm as they call it, and this Vishnu principle is very well established within us. As a result of that only, we also seek and we seek money, power, love, families, children, all kinds of things we seek. That is only through- because of the Vishnu principle within us. But the biggest thing about the Vishnu principle is that it gave us evolution by which we evolve. Also, we evolved in the social structure, the political structure, the economic structure. We also evolved. India, I mean, I would say, India was once upon a time, you see, a slave country. Then democracy came in, and the English had to give up India, because they learned that if they have to make a majority rule in India, then there are more Indians than English. So they had to give up in any case. So, wisdom came over and they gave up, you see. So, what happens, that we learned gradually when we start facing the problems that we ourselves have created. When we start seeing what are the problems are, then we get that wisdom within us. And this is the greatest gift, that we achieve, I think, on our central nervous system, the evolutionary process creates the wisdom. While the animals, they have their everything built in within them, they are “pashu”, they are under the control of the God’s wish, we can say, or under the control of the All-pervading Power, the Paramchaitanya. They don’t have their separate identity as such, or individuality to think that this is wisdom, this is not wisdom. They have no idea of wisdom. But it’s the human beings who have this great gift that they develop wisdom. And the countries which have been very ancient developed this wisdom, much more, because of trial and error, you see. They used to try something and it would recoil on them, and then they would find out that this was the reason. So there have been lots of souls searching among all these countries, especially Russia. I was surprised, and if you read their books there is nothing but the soul searching of people. Like that, they evolved and became to a state. Now today is the way the war is we see that so many countries have joined together to fight this mad man. So, it was not so at the time of Hitler. There were people who joined him. Some joined the other side so we had two types of people, and it was divided, and after that also this division was there. But today, it’s very different, that so many countries have joined, and so many Muslim countries have also joined hands to fight this. So, the circumstances are created, of course, by our own mistakes and by our own creations, but also by Paramchaitanya. It creates the circumstance, and then when you start seeing it clearly that this is what we have done wrong, and that’s why we are punished, then you change and then you start taking another view. So the wisdom is the kind of a light that comes in our understanding. But as human beings have evolved, even the deities have evolved themselves accordingly. So it was a fish, and then a tortoise and like that, it went on, till we come to the stage of Vamana Avatara where it was a small man, then a big man, a tall big man, a Greek, who we call as Zeus, Parashurama. And then came Sri Ram. Sri Rama was the one who was wise, extremely wise, cautious, careful, a very formal, beautiful person and he had forgotten that he was the incarnation of Vishnu. He was made to forget that he was an incarnation. But he knew about his powers, but he did not know that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. But he knew he had all the powers and he could do all these things, that he knew. So, the - because he was to become a Maryada Puroshottama means he had to become a man who was observing all the marayadas, all the boundaries of dharma, and that he had to be the best person. Now this is a contradictory things, because the person who is successful in the world today, in this Kali Yuga, what we find is a man who has no maryadas of any kind, he behaves in such a manner, very atrocious manner, and in a very funny way that just before coming, you see, all kinds of abuses they were hurling at the Saddam, and King Hussein like that, and so many things they were saying. So, you are surprised how these people become so important, at the helm of affairs and this and that. That also comes from human error because human beings, you see, start liking such people. Then there are people who are sadists and there are people who are masochists. So, the masochist people start feeling, “Oh, look at that”, intimidated, and then they start adoring such people. “Look at him, how powerful he is!” So they are impressed by their physical power. And by that power then you become a country which is a slave under some sort of a despot or some sort of a horrible king. Then something happens, and people realize that this was wrong. We should not have neglected at the time of Hitler. Now, Germans were saying that it was a political mistake, and they started understanding that what Hitler has done is wrong. So this kind of a wisdom then comes up because of these incidents and things. And now in my lecture, which I ‘ve send to Australia, I had said very clearly that now the political problems are not there so much as there are the fundamentalists who are going to give problems to the world, and that’s what has happened. This fundamentalism has entered into politics. And now, by this happening, whatever is going to be the outcome of it. Definitely, fundamentalism is going to be stopped by people, because there is such a fear that people from Algeria told me, people from Istanbul, they informed me that, “Mother, please stop this fundamentalism”. But this is not only among Muslims. It is everywhere. Every religious, so-called, people are fundamentalists. What is the reason for that? The reason is this, that it is not based on truth. Whatever does not have the base of the truth falls off, to some side. So either it will fall off to the right or to the left. And when it falls off to the right then they become fundamentalists. When it falls out to the left they start becoming sort of, they start committing suicides, and doing all kinds of things. So this fundamentalism is basically there because the religions are not based on the truth. Truth is what it was propounded. Like the other day in the interview in Toronto, the lady interviewer asked me: “What do you think about caste system in India?”. She thought it was a Hindu sort of a thing. So I told her it’s not, and then she asked me, “Mother, what do you think of caste?”. I said: “It’s horrible, it’s a curse”. So she said: “Then, why do they have caste?”. I said: “I’ll tell you what, in the beginning, there was no caste system according to the birth but according to the work you did”. Because Sri Rama’s life was written, well written, written by a dacoit who became Valmiki, a Saint, and he wrote. But he was a fisherman, he was not a Brahmin. So a fisherman became a Brahmin when he got his Realization. And the second one was the person who wrote Gita, was Vyasa. Vyasa was an illegitimate child of a fisherwoman. So how could an illegitimate child of a fisherwoman, could become so capable as to write the Gita? But in the Gita they have put wrong things. In the Gita they have put that caste is according to your post-natal personality, means after your birth. So, they changed it, definitely, but the point is, how they have changed? Because the one who was written was not like that. Then I said, they all try to do something against their own religion. That’s the best part of it. I said: “Now see Christianity. Christ has said that thou shalt not have adulterous eyes. In the Ten Commandments it is: ‘Thou shall not commit adultery’. So, what he said that, a very subtle thing. He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. Because he is on Agnya Chakra so he has to talk of the eyes. And I said, asked her, “Can you show me Christians who do not have adulterous eyes in the west? Please show me.” [Shri Mataji laughs] She did not know how to answer. She was nonplussed, and she wanted to have me only for ten minutes. She was thinking it’s some sort of a Hindu jargon, and then she kept me for forty-five minutes and she was not going to end it. I gave her Realization also. [Big laughs] But all this is what I’m saying, is learning through experience, through experience. Now in Sahaja Yoga, we have got, we had the experience, definitely. We had the experience of the Divine. Then we had the experience of joy. Then, we had the experience of leading a very beautiful, collective life, and we really feel we are of one family, born of one Mother, one common Mother. We are altogether as one. We do know that, and we feel that way, and we feel very confident about it. Then we have had many other things which no other Incarnation could do, was, one of them, I’ve really outlasted all of them. They all died by the time they’re forty years of age. Nobody wanted to exist, you see. They thought: “Have enough of it.” [Shri Mataji laughs] Now: “You better look after Mother. It’s beyond us. We are going.” So they all disappeared very soon. [Big laughs] Even a person like Gyaneshwara. He took a Samadhi at the age of twenty-three years. Can you imagine? He said, “Had enough of it”. With these human beings, nobody can work out. Christ got Himself crucified, Mohammed Sahib got his poisoning, and he too was not very old when he died. He was, they say so, that he was not more than forty-five years of age when he died. So, if that is the situation and that is the position of an incarnation that as soon as he sees the world he tries to bundle up himself and is about to depart, then I think I have been very brave. I’m still continuing. [Big applause] And the responsibility is also of a different nature. They didn’t have to give Realization to anybody. Just to give speech, that’s all. It’s very easy to give the speech and then get out of this world. [Big laughs] That’s all they did. Nowhere it is written that they gave Realization to anybody or they did anything for anyone, like that. Now, what I find that our canvas is very big. First of all, we have so many countries who are involved with Sahaja Yoga and who are working it out for themselves. Now, the first canvas we have is that we have people of all types, of all nature, of all levels, with all kinds of conditionings and egos, and, I mean, it’s, every time I find a new variety, see this, then I start wondering, “Now what is this?”. [Big laughs] Sometimes, I go off to sleep when they, it’s so boring, that you don’t know what to do. Situation is sometimes so much beyond my understanding. So, I just give up. But, on the whole, on the whole, I must say we have done well. And now we have so many countries with us. We have all the Eastern blocs and Bloc people and also the Russians, we have, and we have really so many people. I never expected to get them Realized, because with other gurus it is very simple. Even with other incarnations, who were really true people, and they did everything that was truthful and good, they didn’t have the responsibility of the Sahaja Yogis with them or anything that they taught. Nobody bothered. They had to leave their families, children, everything behind, and they had to get to work. Even Shankaracharya had his disciples. He told them: “You all take sanyasas. You can’t have your families on my head. Better get rid of them and come”. Even Christ disciples, the same thing. I mean, you take anyone, Buddha, Mahavira, they all had to become sanyasins. They did not want to carry the families and their loads and things, and their wives and children, and their servants and all sorts of things, never. Now, that cannot be done in Sahaja Yoga. First thing is that we want to show that human beings can get self Realization when they are living in this world. They don’t have to give up everything, take only two clothes, and go to Himalayas, and live there and then get their Realization, settle down there only and one day finish off there. They have to live in this world, they have to work in this world, they have to establish their Sahaja Yoga and they have to grow in this world. This is a very difficult thing. But we managed, and we managed this by one simple thing, and that simple thing is compassion. Without compassion, it could not have worked out. Whatever you may try, whatever discipline you might put, whatever regimentation you do, it would all fail. It’s the compassion, and compassion which is enlightened by wisdom. So, in the evolutionary process as we are today, we have to weigh how much compassion we have in ourselves, not for only our family, our relations, our country, but for the whole world. How much compassion we have within ourselves. Secondly, we should also know that all other people who came on this earth didn't give any positive proof of their Divinity. Nobody did. But you have got the proof of My Divinity, and your divinity and of this All-pervading Power. Not only that, but you have seen the photographs and you have seen how things are, have been, and have been working out in the abstract world that photographs and the cameras are catching, which you don't see with your eyes, but it is happening here. And recently there was a photograph. I hope they are going to bring some copies of that. Actually, Sri Ganesha is projected out of me and is actually Sri Ganesh, actually. You may see Christ also one day. So many people, they saw in one of the photographs there is Christ here. It is very small, but it's there. So, I mean, you may see all of them one day, but despite that, the evolutionary process has to work out within us, and that is that it should become a part and parcel of our faith. It is not a faith which is blind, but faith like as you see the flowers here, like that, it is. And still you don't want to believe there are no flowers, then we would say that. You are taking a sort of a pretension that you are mad, but you are not. So, now the main problem we have is, how to imbibe this within our personality, how to know within our personality, that we are facing this kind of an incarnation, that we are born in such and such era, which is very important, absolutely. It is a very special times that we are here, and that we have risen very high through our evolutionary process, which was sort of accelerated by the Kundalini awakening, and we are residing in the space now beyond time and beyond sin. So, still we are not assuming our positions, that's what I feel. We must assume our position. And though I look so simple, maybe, and I talk to you in a very simple manner, there should be no awe about it. I don't want that awe about me, but to be aware that you have got that within yourself. You are that special personality who God has given all these gifts. Of course, Divine gifts cannot be given with money, as you know, cannot be given with anything else. But it is the compassion of the Divine that has given you this gift, but thinking, judging you to be capable of doing something great, that you will work out the plans of the Divine. That's why this power is given to you. So, in the evolutionary process, when Sri Rama worked out as a human being, who was full of wisdom, and was the benevolent king as described by Socrates to show how the king should be, all those things he worked out in his lifetime, but still one more evolution was needed in him. And that was, is the, they say, the Sampurna, is the complete incarnation of Vishnu, came in as Sri Krishna. So the, what is the complete form of Sri Krishna? Is that he said that the whole world is a play, that you don't have to take things seriously. But first, we Sahaja Yogis should know that first you have to be Rama. Even Vishnu had to become Rama first. He couldn't just become Sri Krishna, saying that it's all a play. So for us, it's still that state of Rama is there, and he had to go through lot of sacrifices, through lot of sufferings, lot of insults, and to such an extent that he had to give up his wife and after that they never met because she also disappeared after that. So, the whole life of Sri Rama is before us. He had to go through that penance. Sri Vishnu had to go through that penance. I'm not saying that Sahaja Yogis have to do it because you are given your birth beyond the Sahasrara, so you don't have to go like Rama, you don't have to worry about all these things through which Christ had to go, after Sri Krishna's incarnation also. Christ had to do the tapasya, complete penance, and all that he had to do. That's how he works. But you are beyond that. So, you are blessed by everything. You are blessed by family, blessed by all kinds of comforts, jobs, money, whatever you say, you are blessed. But these can be temptations also, and when these temptations come in your mind, fall into a trap of temptations. So, one should understand that if you have to be Sri Krishna, then it's not only fun, it's not only enjoyment. To say that Sri Krishna established the Leela, but first if you remember his life, how he was born, his parents were arrested, then how he was taken to Golpur, from there how he killed so many rakshasas who came to kill him, and how he went back to kill Kamsa, and after that he said, "It's a Leela". So like that we too have this problem within ourselves that we have to first of all kill the Kamsa within us. We have to kill the other rakshasas within us. We have to do all these things, and then we can say, "It's a Leela". So he [unclear: may be had or has] a double life. One side with the Gopis he was playing Leela and also with the Gopas he was playing Leela. Like there was a rain one day that Indra got jealous of him and he wanted to destroy all of them with rain because they were all looking after their cows in the fields, and it started raining very, very heavily, and they thought that they would be all finished. Suddenly, Sri Krishna lifted a mountain, and under the mountain these all Gopis stood. They were hardly from about, at the most, from about sixteen years of age and they also put their little sticks to show that they are also helping Sri Krishna. So that is how it was done to show how everything is a play, in one side of the life when he was a child, and then again he showed that how he had to fight the rakshasas on the other side. That he did on his own. He worked it out on his own, and he never bothered others, the Gopis and all of them. Even he had to fight the Kaliya, the great serpent. He also did that. But as far as his friends were concerned, he was playing ball with them, and when the ball fell down, then he went and fought Kaliya. So, Sri Krishna, of course, was fully aware of himself, that he was the full incarnation of Sri Vishnu and that he had reached the highest point and he has to establish the Leela concept and that's how the Leela started. In the same way for Sahaja Yogis, it has becoming a Leela. So, at one side it is a Leela, but on the other side we have to know that we have a responsibility. We have to work out Sahaja Yoga. First of all, the Sahaja Yoga must be worked out on yourself. The one who doesn't feel happy in Sahaja Yoga must know that there's something wrong. You have to feel joyous and happy. If you don't feel happy, if you cannot laugh out, then there's something wrong with you and that should be corrected. First sign of a Sahaja Yogi, that he has glow on his face and that he is always joyous and happy. So, this is one point we have to remember,, that we have to be joyous people, happy people. At the same time we should be responsible. For example, what I always hear from the leaders that there are five per cent people who take up responsibilities and all the rest are just there doing nothing. Now it has increased, five to ten per cent has come, now it is coming to twenty per cent, but all of you should, because that's the only way you can ascend, not by just enjoyment, by calling it a Leela and all that, but by really working out Sahaja Yoga upon yourself and upon other people. So, we have to work out first of all upon ourselves to find out what's wrong with us. There has to be a soul search and many people just put a big curtain on it and just don't want to see, it's all right. Of course, I don't say you write to me long letters of confessions, it doesn't mean that, but you see for yourself, "Why? Why am I doing that? What was the need for me to do that? Why didn't I take it up like that?" Oh, small, small things. We are very sometimes very petty minded. Like I heard from somebody that somebody didn't get a present. I mean, there are so many people here, and if somebody doesn't get a present, I mean, it is quite possible. I mean, if everybody gets a present, I would say it's a miracle. (Laughs) I would call it a miracle. Even the Divine can't promise that. So it's beyond the Divine, something great, that everybody gets a present. So then to complain that, "I didn't get a present, so I'm not going to do this". Is a present, is a token, nothing more. It's just a token, and is given to you just with vibrations, and things, but if you don't get it, that doesn't mean in any way that you are discarded or you are being ill-treated or somebody wants to insult you. That's not the point. But from this base level we have to come up. I mean, there are people of that level also that they say things of such a base level things, very low level things. Now, this level varies in different people, so what we look into normally was, as I told you before also, it is easy to be bad than to be good because we have to work hard for that. So, we see somebody who is at a baser level and then we start following that person instead of following somebody who is higher than us. Because you are supposed to be My followers. Supposed to be. May I, you know you are My followers, but if you are My followers, then you have to look up. How can you go to baser things and to cheap things like that? I have seen things which are so stupid. So, to understand, first of all, the expanse of Sahaja Yoga, to get the whole view, vision, it's beyond the horizon, so great, and you are working it out. You have got the powers to do it. You are especially chosen for it. I mean, imagine, you should visualise yourself also, what you are, and that once you understand what you are, and relate yourself to the great vision, then I don't have to say anything because then you just say, "Mother, you are doing everything. We don't do anything. It's all working out." You just don't say it with your mouth, but in your heart, you feel that way. "Yes, Mother, it's you who is doing it". And then you go on enjoying. Every time you do something, you enjoy and enjoy. If you think you are doing some work for Sahaja Yoga, then give it up, absolutely give it up. But if you think, "I am just doing it because I enjoy it. I am not doing it. Mother is doing it", once such a feeling come in, then you understand that the wisdom has come in, and this wisdom is the one that is really going to give you the light, and in that wisdom, then you will understand that what is the Leela, and how we have to enjoy ourselves. We have to know that's the Leela, and we have to also know that it is the work of the Divine for which we are chosen and that we have to work it out. So, Sri Krishna never said, "Don't do karmas". He said Karma nivadhikarastam. You have the right to do the karmas but not the right to think of the fruits. But he said you have to work. When first I came to England I met some Sahaja Yogis and one of them very sensibly said to me, in his own wisdom, that, "Thank God, now after great efforts I have become unemployed." I could not understand this, I mean to become unemployed, that he was so very happy that he's unemployed. (Laughs) So, now, this kind of attitude has to be given up, that we are unemployed. Very good, we are unemployed ,we don't have to do work. Because the quality of life, according to the western standards, is so funny. The amount of money you can spend on cruising. I have seen in Switzerland people just standing on those little... I don't know what you call them ... rafts, on the water.. For hours together. What do you call them? Surf, surf? No, no, no, surfing. No, it was not going round, it was just stationary in one place, they were balancing, just holding on some ropes, standing there, like the [unclear: may be danoodaras]. (Laughs) I said, "How long?" "Oh, they'll go on, three or four hours, five hours". They'll be tired? What are they doing there? Meditating, I believe. I mean, then, spending time over Grand Prix, you see standing there, and enjoying how many people are killed. Oh, killed nicely. See this is, all kinds of funny ideas. Then, how many holidays you have been to. These are all entrepreneurs who are befooling us, we should know. And the sign of the thing, your skin should become yellow or, no, brown, should become brown and.they [unclear] such stupid things, I tell you. Such stupid things these are. Then, you go to the hairdresser and they make your hair dressed with a pokey thing and spend fifty pounds for that. This is a quality of life. Nowadays, there's a new fashion I've seen, is all of them, ladies, are having their hair here. So, C.P.'s a simple man, you know. He was watching the television. He said, "These days, what is happening to them in the forehead?" I said, "Why?" He said, "Their hair do not grow here at all." (Laughs) I told him, "No, no, no, no, no, it is deliberately cut." "But why?" I said, "There's no answer for why". [unclear] "Why they do stupid things?" You know, and everybody, you see, all ladies on the television were talking about news or anything, all of them have hair like this. Tomorrow, I don't know, they might have it from here. I don't know. All these ridiculous ideas, you see. How people accept so easily, I just don't know. Any ridiculous idea, you put it, that immediately they accept. It is a sign that there's no wisdom, there's no wisdom, and that's what I feel that in the west we must develop our wisdom, which is really missing somehow. Wisdom is missing, because how can you be fooled by these things? Now these tight pants started once and I remember I was waiting in Oxford Street and one girl with such a tight pant, couldn't raise her foot up to the bus. So, actually, they pushed her up. It's terrible, I thought. What a tight pant! And then they develop varicose veins. And then in England to have holes in their pants, to call it "holy pant". Imagine! So, this is the quality of life. "How long have you been?" "Oh, I've been to a holiday", they tell you, as if, as the Indians are, you see, they might boast about, maybe in Bengal, they do boast that today I ate some nice fish or something, but this is stupidity. It is a joyless pursuit. At least you eat something, you eat it, you see, taste it at least in the mouth but this kind of thing that we do, this bouffant, and this, that. Then the men are, another stupid things, men do. Nowadays, you see, some people went to buy bangles, big size, I said, "Bring it for the foreigners because they do not have hands like ours, so they need bigger ones". So, they came back empty handed. I said, "What's the matter? I told you to bring this thing. I telephoned to you". "Mother, we went to buy, but they said they're all going to America because now the American young people, boys, want to wear bangles. Boys." In India, if you want to insult anyone, back in 1942 we took, the women, took a very special courage to fight the British, you see. We were women, and the boys were saying, "Now, don't do, don't do that." So we had taken bangles and we said, "All right, take bangles. You wear the bangles and we'll do the work", and that was the greatest insult for them. So here, the bangles are sent to them. They are putting these, these in one, one kind, one, they're the one. So, I mean, I don't know, what's the matter. This is idiotic, absolutely idiotic to behave like this. So all the bangles from India are now going to America and all the men are going to come with the bangles in their hands. Instead of having swords, now they are having bangles. Just laugh at these nonsensical things there. The quality of life that they call it. What is the quality in this? See, such pretentious, such artificial ideas about things that if you do like this, then you are all right. If you don't do like that, then you are... All these are very pretentious, unsymbolic, has no, no meaning to it, nothing. And we are all drawn into it all the time. So, Sahaja Yogis have to know we are wise people, we are not stupid, we are not idiotic, and we are not going to take idiotic methods and idiotic ways. So now, if you go higher than this kind of stupidity. Now, the another great ideas about quality of life is, how many times you are divorced. They really boast of it. I mean, it's so shameful. We went one day to see one house. Just for a short time we needed a place. So the owner of that place was staying upstairs. He came down and winked at me like this. "Why", I was wondering, "what's the matter with this fellow?" Then he sat down and he started telling Mr Srivastava, of course he had all the exaggerated courtesies and all that, "Sir, see now, this is my house. You will enjoy it, and, I'm divorced, I know. I'm divorced twice but I have a woman now with me and she can look after you very well". C.P. immediately got up and he said, "Let's go." So, this is quality of life. How many times you are divorced, how many women you have, how many women you run after, I mean, this is ... There is no word in English for such a, they call it, womaniser, but we have very derogatory description of them, there . I mean, to run after women is something so low. The other way round, where the women run after men, this is the quality of life, is prostitution. So we have to see that these norms do not apply to us at all. If we have to take out of our countries, our people, that we have to have a much higher value system of all, and we should rise above all these things. So now, from this level if you know that you go another level of people who are very particular about their dress, about their spoon and forks and things, I mean, what I call the table culture. But I was surprised that the French have their own style, the English have their own style. The French put the fork like this and the English put like this. Thank God the nose and all these things are fixed, otherwise, ...(Laughs) That's a good thing God did. He glued us down. (Laughs) And on that there's a big quarrel and a big fight. So the level of table manners and table things and then what you eat and what I eat and sit down for hours together to decide what you are going to eat. This has ruined our attention completely. So what I'm trying to describe to you how our attention has become so weak that we cannot bear spirituality. These stupid kind of ideas we..., pretentious, artificial, not related to reality at all. So they come up, then it's all right then, these table manners, then bathrooms. So, another is bathrooms, another big place for the modern people. Now, I won't be surprised that they'll have bathroom for people to come and sit down like Turkish baths and the drawing rooms will be on the back side of the house. May not be drawing rooms. What is the need? We can have a bath, sit down there in the bathroom nicely talking to each others. Very good idea. There was a crazy fellow who went from here, inspired by Pierre Cardin, can you imagine, who started a movement in India, and wanted to have a discotheque or something and he used the bathroom seats for the chairs. Imagine! So this sort of a thing, you see, "Oh, novel idea. What a novel idea it is." You see, so this is the kind of a level our attentions goes and we start seeing these things. "Oh, what a novel idea he's got". There will be no good invention in this kind of thing. Maybe people are trying to please you by this kind of a stupidity, that kind of a stupidity, do this, do that. Like one day in India we found that all the baskets that are sold in the market are missing. So, we said, "What has happened? Where are the market baskets gone?". So they said, "They have gone to America. America is the best on all these things." So, it has gone to America. And, for what? He said, "No, they have taken a fancy. They want to make big hats with it". Baskets with the hats? Yes! And when I went to America I saw them sitting with it. I was surprised and they had put grass on it. With the grass on it they were sitting, you see. I looked at them and said, "What's this?" They said, you know, "This is, this is being, very, we are now with the nature". I said, "How?" He said, "See, now, is a natural thing, hand made. And the grass is God made, or hand made". He said, "See, we put the grass on this and this". -I thought that some birds would come and pick it up and make, make it into a nest for themselves, or in the night you might find if you put the hat one side it's, there is a little bird and then little, little birdies saying something. See? This is, this sounds so idiotic to you, but is done as a craze, you see, and a craze is a good word to suggest. It's a craze, you see, it's madness. But they do it, and that's how our attention is ruined all the time, all the time. So we go to a higher level, you see. We start anti-culture business. No, this is not good. This is not this. So, the other day, walking in America I was surprised. Most of them had their pants all torn, especially in this part near the groins. They were all torns. Such big, big openings. I was wondering, "What's the matter with these people?" And they were specially made. It's called stone washed, this washed, but cut, absolutely cut like that. Imagine! Worse than beggars. I mean, if you do not have respect for yourself, do not wear proper dress, means you have no respect. And, where is your attention? It's making yourself ridiculous. Then we went to a shop to buy something for the children and they were all trendy clothes. Nothing classical, nothing beautiful. All trendy, horrible dresses. Then I was wondering where they must have discovered these dresses and I was meditating and I found out these are the dresses worn by some people, long, long time back in very primitive stages, and that must be coming to them through their subconscious area. Very primitive when they were, they had no clothes properly done since they used to wear this kind of trendy nonsensical dresses. And that's what is coming to them and that's what they are producing. And then I just thought of Jung who said that they worship some sort of funny people in Switzerland, some sort of funny images in Switzerland, and he said that these images come from the subconscious, and that's what they are worshipping as something like gods, because they have not seen gods. So this is another level of things where people come in where they start wasting their energy on the subconscious level and try to become more subconscious and try to work it out. So, then, comes another type of funny evolution where people think, "Now this is a UP business". So they have no jobs, nothing. They just wear striped coats and pants, nothing else. You see, they are just ordinary people, have a small little briefcase with them. They walk like this and this. So you ask them, "What is it?" They talk as if they are some sort of general manager of such and such company and something. And you find out they have no money and once I remember one fellow like that met me and said, "Can you lend me some money?" I thought, "What's the matter with this fellow? Why is he asking for money?" I said, "Why are you asking for money?" He said, "You see, I have no change and I have to buy some tickets on this". So I said, "All right." I gave him but we went into the train and we were on the same. He travelled by First Class. Can you imagine? And I said, "Where are you working?" He said, "I am unemployed". "Then why are you wearing this dress?" I couldn't understand. So it's another kind of a pretension people want to put up these days and some of them are really work alcoholics and some of them are without any jobs and this is all a drama they are playing, all the time, deceiving themselves, deceiving the whole society and living with this kind of deception. So now our canvas goes to the higher level of people who are so-called higher where I have moved quite a lot, and in these elite societies, I mean, you find the same people coming up. There isn't much difference in their wisdom. They don't know what they are talking, scandal mongering, all the time. The ladies, you see, the Lady this and Lady that and the Lady that, and what they are talking, these ladies, are, "Do you know this man? He flirts with his maidservant". I said, "How do you know?" She said, "We all know. You are an out of date person. You don't know these things. Very important." I said, "Really, I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't know the man at all". "No, no, but you must know. You know, he's the one he winks at that this one and he does that". I mean, such low level things they talk that you just don't understand how they are ladies. Then they will start talking about somebody's dress. "Oh, you know, that's a borrowed one. That's not hers." "How do you know it's a borrowed one?" "I know. I had borrowed the same the other day". What a level! I mean, there's no depth, there's no spirituality. There's nothing noble about it. So ignoble, so ignoble all these things are. It's repulsive, I tell you. But, if they are at that level of supposing at the helm of affairs they are there. You hear anybody, "What do you think of this man?" "Oh, he's all right, but you know he had affair with his secretary and then something happened. The Prime Minister said, 'You can't carry on with your secretary'. So now he's all right". Then, somebody, "What do you know about this person?" "He's all right, but you know, he is very sneaky". You ask about anyone, you see, and you'll never hear a good word about that person, and even if you hear something good, it will have some sort of a stigma with it. So that people and people and people who have lost all the beautiful attention by which you can adore, to admire, because they said there is nothing to admire these days, there's nothing to adore, there's nothing to be seen in people that we can say something great. Now, we have to do that. We have to give good images, ideals, believe in ideals, that we enjoy ideals, we enjoy our virtues, we enjoy our wisdom and this is what we have to say to ourselves, "Have we got that wisdom or not?" Are we above all these things? We can see the joke. I was amazed to hear the other day that our new Bishop of Canterbury, I mean, Archbishop of Canterbury, is appointing homosexuals as the priests. God save the young boys, I must say. Can you imagine such a thing happening? These are modern times. Such garbage! Horrible! Out of this garbage we have to create people who are like lotuses, but for us we have to be lotus. We should be fragrant, we should be beautiful, we should be generous, and we should know what we have got from the Divine as the gift. Then it becomes a Leela. When you have that power of Sri Krishna, it becomes a Leela. Not at the stage of Sri Rama when he had forgotten that he was an incarnation. When you have these powers within yourselves, then you enjoy your virtues and you emit virtues to others. People see you and say, "That's it! They are the people, something great, something to learn from them, something to know from them." This is what it is, and each one of them is quite capable. So, when we see all these things around and when we see all this madness around us, we have to rise above and see that we are very wise and we have the wisdom of our spirit and we are enlightened people, we are Buddhas, and what we have to do. So, even now sometimes I find very petty things coming up and very petty things happening in Sahaja Yoga. It is surprising. You know everything is a Leela when we become part and parcel of the whole thing. Then it's a Leela, not before that. So I hope we are preparing for Krishna Puja . We have to work it out for America now, which is the silliest place you can think of. I mean, the silliest place! The most idiotic people live there, actually, and the way they have producing funny things and we are accepting. The best part of it these days the idiots can dominate any country. Like we had Idi Amin, we had that Botswana fellow, all these people are dominating. So, especially for American Sahaja Yogis it's important to rise very much above the rest of the people. Why not like Martin Luther? We could do it. Why not we create people of that kind who speak of something great, who bring the attention of people to something higher, raise their necks upward to see that they see with their head higher than the others and see, see something great in us, something so idealistic, so impossible for them to understand. We have to have such unique people. And that's what we have to work out in our ascent, individual and in collective ascent. So, I am happy that you all are here and we have spent such nice time together and so many people have come all the way. It's so nice, and also, I would like to meet you all tomorrow sometime. If you have any personal problems you can come and see me, but tomorrow we want to have Havan, say, start at about, say .... the earlier the better. Whatever time you are ready after breakfast we should have the Havan done, but this time please do it with the full devotion. So, Havan has a double thing, is that we are evoking the Vishnu Tattwa. Tomorrow we will be having Vishnu's day, and also, that is evoked in you, evoked in the whole world. So we have to be very solemn about it and to get to that state where the whole thing becomes a Leela because you are so powerful, like Sri Krishna, then the whole thing becomes a Leela. May God bless you.

Evening before Shri Krishna Puja. Ipswich (UK), 17 August 1990. On the day of Sri Krishna Puja, I’m going to tell you about Sri Krishna. But before that, we should know how the whole thing evolved from Sri Vishnu’s evolutionary process. So, as you know there were ten Avataras, ten incarnations of Sri Vishnu. Now Vishnu is the one which grows to be the Virat, to be the macrocosm as they call it, and this Vishnu principle is very well established within us. As a result of that only, we also seek and we seek money, power, love, families, children, all kinds of things we seek. That is only through- because of the Vishnu principle within us. But the biggest thing about the Vishnu principle is that it gave us evolution by which we evolve. Also, we evolved in the social structure, the political structure, the economic structure. We also evolved. India, I mean, I would say, India was once upon a time, you see, a slave country. Then democracy came in, and the English had to give up India, because they learned that if they have to make a majority rule in India, then there are more Indians than English. So they had to give up in any case. So, wisdom came over and they gave up, you see. So, what happens, that we learned gradually when we start facing the problems that we ourselves have created. When we start seeing what are the problems are, then we get that wisdom within us. And this is the greatest gift, that we achieve, I think, on our central nervous system, the evolutionary process creates the wisdom. While the animals, they have their everything built in within them, they are “pashu”, they are under the control of the God’s wish, we can say, or under the control of the All-pervading Power, the Paramchaitanya. They don’t have their separate identity as such, or individuality to think that this is wisdom, this is not wisdom. They have no idea of wisdom. But it’s the human beings who have this great gift that they develop wisdom. And the countries which have been very ancient developed this wisdom, much more, because of trial and error, you see. They used to try something and it would recoil on them, and then they would find out that this was the reason. So there have been lots of souls searching among all these countries, especially Russia. I was surprised, and if you read their books there is nothing but the soul searching of people. Like that, they evolved and became to a state. Now today is the way the war is we see that so many countries have joined together to fight this mad man. So, it was not so at the time of Hitler. There were people who joined him. Some joined the other side so we had two types of people, and it was divided, and after that also this division was there. But today, it’s very different, that so many countries have joined, and so many Muslim countries have also joined hands to fight this. So, the circumstances are created, of course, by our own mistakes and by our own creations, but also by Paramchaitanya. It creates the circumstance, and then when you start seeing it clearly that this is what we have done wrong, and that’s why we are punished, then you change and then you start taking another view. So the wisdom is the kind of a light that comes in our understanding. But as human beings have evolved, even the deities have evolved themselves accordingly. So it was a fish, and then a tortoise and like that, it went on, till we come to the stage of Vamana Avatara where it was a small man, then a big man, a tall big man, a Greek, who we call as Zeus, Parashurama. And then came Sri Ram. Sri Rama was the one who was wise, extremely wise, cautious, careful, a very formal, beautiful person and he had forgotten that he was the incarnation of Vishnu. He was made to forget that he was an incarnation. But he knew about his powers, but he did not know that he was an incarnation of Vishnu. But he knew he had all the powers and he could do all these things, that he knew. So, the - because he was to become a Maryada Puroshottama means he had to become a man who was observing all the marayadas, all the boundaries of dharma, and that he had to be the best person. Now this is a contradictory things, because the person who is successful in the world today, in this Kali Yuga, what we find is a man who has no maryadas of any kind, he behaves in such a manner, very atrocious manner, and in a very funny way that just before coming, you see, all kinds of abuses they were hurling at the Saddam, and King Hussein like that, and so many things they were saying. So, you are surprised how these people become so important, at the helm of affairs and this and that. That also comes from human error because human beings, you see, start liking such people. Then there are people who are sadists and there are people who are masochists. So, the masochist people start feeling, “Oh, look at that”, intimidated, and then they start adoring such people. “Look at him, how powerful he is!” So they are impressed by their physical power. And by that power then you become a country which is a slave under some sort of a despot or some sort of a horrible king. Then something happens, and people realize that this was wrong. We should not have neglected at the time of Hitler. Now, Germans were saying that it was a political mistake, and they started understanding that what Hitler has done is wrong. So this kind of a wisdom then comes up because of these incidents and things. And now in my lecture, which I ‘ve send to Australia, I had said very clearly that now the political problems are not there so much as there are the fundamentalists who are going to give problems to the world, and that’s what has happened. This fundamentalism has entered into politics. And now, by this happening, whatever is going to be the outcome of it. Definitely, fundamentalism is going to be stopped by people, because there is such a fear that people from Algeria told me, people from Istanbul, they informed me that, “Mother, please stop this fundamentalism”. But this is not only among Muslims. It is everywhere. Every religious, so-called, people are fundamentalists. What is the reason for that? The reason is this, that it is not based on truth. Whatever does not have the base of the truth falls off, to some side. So either it will fall off to the right or to the left. And when it falls off to the right then they become fundamentalists. When it falls out to the left they start becoming sort of, they start committing suicides, and doing all kinds of things. So this fundamentalism is basically there because the religions are not based on the truth. Truth is what it was propounded. Like the other day in the interview in Toronto, the lady interviewer asked me: “What do you think about caste system in India?”. She thought it was a Hindu sort of a thing. So I told her it’s not, and then she asked me, “Mother, what do you think of caste?”. I said: “It’s horrible, it’s a curse”. So she said: “Then, why do they have caste?”. I said: “I’ll tell you what, in the beginning, there was no caste system according to the birth but according to the work you did”. Because Sri Rama’s life was written, well written, written by a dacoit who became Valmiki, a Saint, and he wrote. But he was a fisherman, he was not a Brahmin. So a fisherman became a Brahmin when he got his Realization. And the second one was the person who wrote Gita, was Vyasa. Vyasa was an illegitimate child of a fisherwoman. So how could an illegitimate child of a fisherwoman, could become so capable as to write the Gita? But in the Gita they have put wrong things. In the Gita they have put that caste is according to your post-natal personality, means after your birth. So, they changed it, definitely, but the point is, how they have changed? Because the one who was written was not like that. Then I said, they all try to do something against their own religion. That’s the best part of it. I said: “Now see Christianity. Christ has said that thou shalt not have adulterous eyes. In the Ten Commandments it is: ‘Thou shall not commit adultery’. So, what he said that, a very subtle thing. He said, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes”. Because he is on Agnya Chakra so he has to talk of the eyes. And I said, asked her, “Can you show me Christians who do not have adulterous eyes in the west? Please show me.” [Shri Mataji laughs] She did not know how to answer. She was nonplussed, and she wanted to have me only for ten minutes. She was thinking it’s some sort of a Hindu jargon, and then she kept me for forty-five minutes and she was not going to end it. I gave her Realization also. [Big laughs] But all this is what I’m saying, is learning through experience, through experience. Now in Sahaja Yoga, we have got, we had the experience, definitely. We had the experience of the Divine. Then we had the experience of joy. Then, we had the experience of leading a very beautiful, collective life, and we really feel we are of one family, born of one Mother, one common Mother. We are altogether as one. We do know that, and we feel that way, and we feel very confident about it. Then we have had many other things which no other Incarnation could do, was, one of them, I’ve really outlasted all of them. They all died by the time they’re forty years of age. Nobody wanted to exist, you see. They thought: “Have enough of it.” [Shri Mataji laughs] Now: “You better look after Mother. It’s beyond us. We are going.” So they all disappeared very soon. [Big laughs] Even a person like Gyaneshwara. He took a Samadhi at the age of twenty-three years. Can you imagine? He said, “Had enough of it”. With these human beings, nobody can work out. Christ got Himself crucified, Mohammed Sahib got his poisoning, and he too was not very old when he died. He was, they say so, that he was not more than forty-five years of age when he died. So, if that is the situation and that is the position of an incarnation that as soon as he sees the world he tries to bundle up himself and is about to depart, then I think I have been very brave. I’m still continuing. [Big applause] And the responsibility is also of a different nature. They didn’t have to give Realization to anybody. Just to give speech, that’s all. It’s very easy to give the speech and then get out of this world. [Big laughs] That’s all they did. Nowhere it is written that they gave Realization to anybody or they did anything for anyone, like that. Now, what I find that our canvas is very big. First of all, we have so many countries who are involved with Sahaja Yoga and who are working it out for themselves. Now, the first canvas we have is that we have people of all types, of all nature, of all levels, with all kinds of conditionings and egos, and, I mean, it’s, every time I find a new variety, see this, then I start wondering, “Now what is this?”. [Big laughs] Sometimes, I go off to sleep when they, it’s so boring, that you don’t know what to do. Situation is sometimes so much beyond my understanding. So, I just give up. But, on the whole, on the whole, I must say we have done well. And now we have so many countries with us. We have all the Eastern blocs and Bloc people and also the Russians, we have, and we have really so many people. I never expected to get them Realized, because with other gurus it is very simple. Even with other incarnations, who were really true people, and they did everything that was truthful and good, they didn’t have the responsibility of the Sahaja Yogis with them or anything that they taught. Nobody bothered. They had to leave their families, children, everything behind, and they had to get to work. Even Shankaracharya had his disciples. He told them: “You all take sanyasas. You can’t have your families on my head. Better get rid of them and come”. Even Christ disciples, the same thing. I mean, you take anyone, Buddha, Mahavira, they all had to become sanyasins. They did not want to carry the families and their loads and things, and their wives and children, and their servants and all sorts of things, never. Now, that cannot be done in Sahaja Yoga. First thing is that we want to show that human beings can get self Realization when they are living in this world. They don’t have to give up everything, take only two clothes, and go to Himalayas, and live there and then get their Realization, settle down there only and one day finish off there. They have to live in this world, they have to work in this world, they have to establish their Sahaja Yoga and they have to grow in this world. This is a very difficult thing. But we managed, and we managed this by one simple thing, and that simple thing is compassion. Without compassion, it could not have worked out. Whatever you may try, whatever discipline you might put, whatever regimentation you do, it would all fail. It’s the compassion, and compassion which is enlightened by wisdom. So, in the evolutionary process as we are today, we have to weigh how much compassion we have in ourselves, not for only our family, our relations, our country, but for the whole world. How much compassion we have within ourselves. Secondly, we should also know that all other people who came on this earth didn't give any positive proof of their Divinity. Nobody did. But you have got the proof of My Divinity, and your divinity and of this All-pervading Power. Not only that, but you have seen the photographs and you have seen how things are, have been, and have been working out in the abstract world that photographs and the cameras are catching, which you don't see with your eyes, but it is happening here. And recently there was a photograph. I hope they are going to bring some copies of that. Actually, Sri Ganesha is projected out of me and is actually Sri Ganesh, actually. You may see Christ also one day. So many people, they saw in one of the photographs there is Christ here. It is very small, but it's there. So, I mean, you may see all of them one day, but despite that, the evolutionary process has to work out within us, and that is that it should become a part and parcel of our faith. It is not a faith which is blind, but faith like as you see the flowers here, like that, it is. And still you don't want to believe there are no flowers, then we would say that. You are taking a sort of a pretension that you are mad, but you are not. So, now the main problem we have is, how to imbibe this within our personality, how to know within our personality, that we are facing this kind of an incarnation, that we are born in such and such era, which is very important, absolutely. It is a very special times that we are here, and that we have risen very high through our evolutionary process, which was sort of accelerated by the Kundalini awakening, and we are residing in the space now beyond time and beyond sin. So, still we are not assuming our positions, that's what I feel. We must assume our position. And though I look so simple, maybe, and I talk to you in a very simple manner, there should be no awe about it. I don't want that awe about me, but to be aware that you have got that within yourself. You are that special personality who God has given all these gifts. Of course, Divine gifts cannot be given with money, as you know, cannot be given with anything else. But it is the compassion of the Divine that has given you this gift, but thinking, judging you to be capable of doing something great, that you will work out the plans of the Divine. That's why this power is given to you. So, in the evolutionary process, when Sri Rama worked out as a human being, who was full of wisdom, and was the benevolent king as described by Socrates to show how the king should be, all those things he worked out in his lifetime, but still one more evolution was needed in him. And that was, is the, they say, the Sampurna, is the complete incarnation of Vishnu, came in as Sri Krishna. So the, what is the complete form of Sri Krishna? Is that he said that the whole world is a play, that you don't have to take things seriously. But first, we Sahaja Yogis should know that first you have to be Rama. Even Vishnu had to become Rama first. He couldn't just become Sri Krishna, saying that it's all a play. So for us, it's still that state of Rama is there, and he had to go through lot of sacrifices, through lot of sufferings, lot of insults, and to such an extent that he had to give up his wife and after that they never met because she also disappeared after that. So, the whole life of Sri Rama is before us. He had to go through that penance. Sri Vishnu had to go through that penance. I'm not saying that Sahaja Yogis have to do it because you are given your birth beyond the Sahasrara, so you don't have to go like Rama, you don't have to worry about all these things through which Christ had to go, after Sri Krishna's incarnation also. Christ had to do the tapasya, complete penance, and all that he had to do. That's how he works. But you are beyond that. So, you are blessed by everything. You are blessed by family, blessed by all kinds of comforts, jobs, money, whatever you say, you are blessed. But these can be temptations also, and when these temptations come in your mind, fall into a trap of temptations. So, one should understand that if you have to be Sri Krishna, then it's not only fun, it's not only enjoyment. To say that Sri Krishna established the Leela, but first if you remember his life, how he was born, his parents were arrested, then how he was taken to Golpur, from there how he killed so many rakshasas who came to kill him, and how he went back to kill Kamsa, and after that he said, "It's a Leela". So like that we too have this problem within ourselves that we have to first of all kill the Kamsa within us. We have to kill the other rakshasas within us. We have to do all these things, and then we can say, "It's a Leela". So he [unclear: may be had or has] a double life. One side with the Gopis he was playing Leela and also with the Gopas he was playing Leela. Like there was a rain one day that Indra got jealous of him and he wanted to destroy all of them with rain because they were all looking after their cows in the fields, and it started raining very, very heavily, and they thought that they would be all finished. Suddenly, Sri Krishna lifted a mountain, and under the mountain these all Gopis stood. They were hardly from about, at the most, from about sixteen years of age and they also put their little sticks to show that they are also helping Sri Krishna. So that is how it was done to show how everything is a play, in one side of the life when he was a child, and then again he showed that how he had to fight the rakshasas on the other side. That he did on his own. He worked it out on his own, and he never bothered others, the Gopis and all of them. Even he had to fight the Kaliya, the great serpent. He also did that. But as far as his friends were concerned, he was playing ball with them, and when the ball fell down, then he went and fought Kaliya. So, Sri Krishna, of course, was fully aware of himself, that he was the full incarnation of Sri Vishnu and that he had reached the highest point and he has to establish the Leela concept and that's how the Leela started. In the same way for Sahaja Yogis, it has becoming a Leela. So, at one side it is a Leela, but on the other side we have to know that we have a responsibility. We have to work out Sahaja Yoga. First of all, the Sahaja Yoga must be worked out on yourself. The one who doesn't feel happy in Sahaja Yoga must know that there's something wrong. You have to feel joyous and happy. If you don't feel happy, if you cannot laugh out, then there's something wrong with you and that should be corrected. First sign of a Sahaja Yogi, that he has glow on his face and that he is always joyous and happy. So, this is one point we have to remember,, that we have to be joyous people, happy people. At the same time we should be responsible. For example, what I always hear from the leaders that there are five per cent people who take up responsibilities and all the rest are just there doing nothing. Now it has increased, five to ten per cent has come, now it is coming to twenty per cent, but all of you should, because that's the only way you can ascend, not by just enjoyment, by calling it a Leela and all that, but by really working out Sahaja Yoga upon yourself and upon other people. So, we have to work out first of all upon ourselves to find out what's wrong with us. There has to be a soul search and many people just put a big curtain on it and just don't want to see, it's all right. Of course, I don't say you write to me long letters of confessions, it doesn't mean that, but you see for yourself, "Why? Why am I doing that? What was the need for me to do that? Why didn't I take it up like that?" Oh, small, small things. We are very sometimes very petty minded. Like I heard from somebody that somebody didn't get a present. I mean, there are so many people here, and if somebody doesn't get a present, I mean, it is quite possible. I mean, if everybody gets a present, I would say it's a miracle. (Laughs) I would call it a miracle. Even the Divine can't promise that. So it's beyond the Divine, something great, that everybody gets a present. So then to complain that, "I didn't get a present, so I'm not going to do this". Is a present, is a token, nothing more. It's just a token, and is given to you just with vibrations, and things, but if you don't get it, that doesn't mean in any way that you are discarded or you are being ill-treated or somebody wants to insult you. That's not the point. But from this base level we have to come up. I mean, there are people of that level also that they say things of such a base level things, very low level things. Now, this level varies in different people, so what we look into normally was, as I told you before also, it is easy to be bad than to be good because we have to work hard for that. So, we see somebody who is at a baser level and then we start following that person instead of following somebody who is higher than us. Because you are supposed to be My followers. Supposed to be. May I, you know you are My followers, but if you are My followers, then you have to look up. How can you go to baser things and to cheap things like that? I have seen things which are so stupid. So, to understand, first of all, the expanse of Sahaja Yoga, to get the whole view, vision, it's beyond the horizon, so great, and you are working it out. You have got the powers to do it. You are especially chosen for it. I mean, imagine, you should visualise yourself also, what you are, and that once you understand what you are, and relate yourself to the great vision, then I don't have to say anything because then you just say, "Mother, you are doing everything. We don't do anything. It's all working out." You just don't say it with your mouth, but in your heart, you feel that way. "Yes, Mother, it's you who is doing it". And then you go on enjoying. Every time you do something, you enjoy and enjoy. If you think you are doing some work for Sahaja Yoga, then give it up, absolutely give it up. But if you think, "I am just doing it because I enjoy it. I am not doing it. Mother is doing it", once such a feeling come in, then you understand that the wisdom has come in, and this wisdom is the one that is really going to give you the light, and in that wisdom, then you will understand that what is the Leela, and how we have to enjoy ourselves. We have to know that's the Leela, and we have to also know that it is the work of the Divine for which we are chosen and that we have to work it out. So, Sri Krishna never said, "Don't do karmas". He said Karma nivadhikarastam. You have the right to do the karmas but not the right to think of the fruits. But he said you have to work. When first I came to England I met some Sahaja Yogis and one of them very sensibly said to me, in his own wisdom, that, "Thank God, now after great efforts I have become unemployed." I could not understand this, I mean to become unemployed, that he was so very happy that he's unemployed. (Laughs) So, now, this kind of attitude has to be given up, that we are unemployed. Very good, we are unemployed ,we don't have to do work. Because the quality of life, according to the western standards, is so funny. The amount of money you can spend on cruising. I have seen in Switzerland people just standing on those little... I don't know what you call them ... rafts, on the water.. For hours together. What do you call them? Surf, surf? No, no, no, surfing. No, it was not going round, it was just stationary in one place, they were balancing, just holding on some ropes, standing there, like the [unclear: may be danoodaras]. (Laughs) I said, "How long?" "Oh, they'll go on, three or four hours, five hours". They'll be tired? What are they doing there? Meditating, I believe. I mean, then, spending time over Grand Prix, you see standing there, and enjoying how many people are killed. Oh, killed nicely. See this is, all kinds of funny ideas. Then, how many holidays you have been to. These are all entrepreneurs who are befooling us, we should know. And the sign of the thing, your skin should become yellow or, no, brown, should become brown and.they [unclear] such stupid things, I tell you. Such stupid things these are. Then, you go to the hairdresser and they make your hair dressed with a pokey thing and spend fifty pounds for that. This is a quality of life. Nowadays, there's a new fashion I've seen, is all of them, ladies, are having their hair here. So, C.P.'s a simple man, you know. He was watching the television. He said, "These days, what is happening to them in the forehead?" I said, "Why?" He said, "Their hair do not grow here at all." (Laughs) I told him, "No, no, no, no, no, it is deliberately cut." "But why?" I said, "There's no answer for why". [unclear] "Why they do stupid things?" You know, and everybody, you see, all ladies on the television were talking about news or anything, all of them have hair like this. Tomorrow, I don't know, they might have it from here. I don't know. All these ridiculous ideas, you see. How people accept so easily, I just don't know. Any ridiculous idea, you put it, that immediately they accept. It is a sign that there's no wisdom, there's no wisdom, and that's what I feel that in the west we must develop our wisdom, which is really missing somehow. Wisdom is missing, because how can you be fooled by these things? Now these tight pants started once and I remember I was waiting in Oxford Street and one girl with such a tight pant, couldn't raise her foot up to the bus. So, actually, they pushed her up. It's terrible, I thought. What a tight pant! And then they develop varicose veins. And then in England to have holes in their pants, to call it "holy pant". Imagine! So, this is the quality of life. "How long have you been?" "Oh, I've been to a holiday", they tell you, as if, as the Indians are, you see, they might boast about, maybe in Bengal, they do boast that today I ate some nice fish or something, but this is stupidity. It is a joyless pursuit. At least you eat something, you eat it, you see, taste it at least in the mouth but this kind of thing that we do, this bouffant, and this, that. Then the men are, another stupid things, men do. Nowadays, you see, some people went to buy bangles, big size, I said, "Bring it for the foreigners because they do not have hands like ours, so they need bigger ones". So, they came back empty handed. I said, "What's the matter? I told you to bring this thing. I telephoned to you". "Mother, we went to buy, but they said they're all going to America because now the American young people, boys, want to wear bangles. Boys." In India, if you want to insult anyone, back in 1942 we took, the women, took a very special courage to fight the British, you see. We were women, and the boys were saying, "Now, don't do, don't do that." So we had taken bangles and we said, "All right, take bangles. You wear the bangles and we'll do the work", and that was the greatest insult for them. So here, the bangles are sent to them. They are putting these, these in one, one kind, one, they're the one. So, I mean, I don't know, what's the matter. This is idiotic, absolutely idiotic to behave like this. So all the bangles from India are now going to America and all the men are going to come with the bangles in their hands. Instead of having swords, now they are having bangles. Just laugh at these nonsensical things there. The quality of life that they call it. What is the quality in this? See, such pretentious, such artificial ideas about things that if you do like this, then you are all right. If you don't do like that, then you are... All these are very pretentious, unsymbolic, has no, no meaning to it, nothing. And we are all drawn into it all the time. So, Sahaja Yogis have to know we are wise people, we are not stupid, we are not idiotic, and we are not going to take idiotic methods and idiotic ways. So now, if you go higher than this kind of stupidity. Now, the another great ideas about quality of life is, how many times you are divorced. They really boast of it. I mean, it's so shameful. We went one day to see one house. Just for a short time we needed a place. So the owner of that place was staying upstairs. He came down and winked at me like this. "Why", I was wondering, "what's the matter with this fellow?" Then he sat down and he started telling Mr Srivastava, of course he had all the exaggerated courtesies and all that, "Sir, see now, this is my house. You will enjoy it, and, I'm divorced, I know. I'm divorced twice but I have a woman now with me and she can look after you very well". C.P. immediately got up and he said, "Let's go." So, this is quality of life. How many times you are divorced, how many women you have, how many women you run after, I mean, this is ... There is no word in English for such a, they call it, womaniser, but we have very derogatory description of them, there . I mean, to run after women is something so low. The other way round, where the women run after men, this is the quality of life, is prostitution. So we have to see that these norms do not apply to us at all. If we have to take out of our countries, our people, that we have to have a much higher value system of all, and we should rise above all these things. So now, from this level if you know that you go another level of people who are very particular about their dress, about their spoon and forks and things, I mean, what I call the table culture. But I was surprised that the French have their own style, the English have their own style. The French put the fork like this and the English put like this. Thank God the nose and all these things are fixed, otherwise, ...(Laughs) That's a good thing God did. He glued us down. (Laughs) And on that there's a big quarrel and a big fight. So the level of table manners and table things and then what you eat and what I eat and sit down for hours together to decide what you are going to eat. This has ruined our attention completely. So what I'm trying to describe to you how our attention has become so weak that we cannot bear spirituality. These stupid kind of ideas we..., pretentious, artificial, not related to reality at all. So they come up, then it's all right then, these table manners, then bathrooms. So, another is bathrooms, another big place for the modern people. Now, I won't be surprised that they'll have bathroom for people to come and sit down like Turkish baths and the drawing rooms will be on the back side of the house. May not be drawing rooms. What is the need? We can have a bath, sit down there in the bathroom nicely talking to each others. Very good idea. There was a crazy fellow who went from here, inspired by Pierre Cardin, can you imagine, who started a movement in India, and wanted to have a discotheque or something and he used the bathroom seats for the chairs. Imagine! So this sort of a thing, you see, "Oh, novel idea. What a novel idea it is." You see, so this is the kind of a level our attentions goes and we start seeing these things. "Oh, what a novel idea he's got". There will be no good invention in this kind of thing. Maybe people are trying to please you by this kind of a stupidity, that kind of a stupidity, do this, do that. Like one day in India we found that all the baskets that are sold in the market are missing. So, we said, "What has happened? Where are the market baskets gone?". So they said, "They have gone to America. America is the best on all these things." So, it has gone to America. And, for what? He said, "No, they have taken a fancy. They want to make big hats with it". Baskets with the hats? Yes! And when I went to America I saw them sitting with it. I was surprised and they had put grass on it. With the grass on it they were sitting, you see. I looked at them and said, "What's this?" They said, you know, "This is, this is being, very, we are now with the nature". I said, "How?" He said, "See, now, is a natural thing, hand made. And the grass is God made, or hand made". He said, "See, we put the grass on this and this". -I thought that some birds would come and pick it up and make, make it into a nest for themselves, or in the night you might find if you put the hat one side it's, there is a little bird and then little, little birdies saying something. See? This is, this sounds so idiotic to you, but is done as a craze, you see, and a craze is a good word to suggest. It's a craze, you see, it's madness. But they do it, and that's how our attention is ruined all the time, all the time. So we go to a higher level, you see. We start anti-culture business. No, this is not good. This is not this. So, the other day, walking in America I was surprised. Most of them had their pants all torn, especially in this part near the groins. They were all torns. Such big, big openings. I was wondering, "What's the matter with these people?" And they were specially made. It's called stone washed, this washed, but cut, absolutely cut like that. Imagine! Worse than beggars. I mean, if you do not have respect for yourself, do not wear proper dress, means you have no respect. And, where is your attention? It's making yourself ridiculous. Then we went to a shop to buy something for the children and they were all trendy clothes. Nothing classical, nothing beautiful. All trendy, horrible dresses. Then I was wondering where they must have discovered these dresses and I was meditating and I found out these are the dresses worn by some people, long, long time back in very primitive stages, and that must be coming to them through their subconscious area. Very primitive when they were, they had no clothes properly done since they used to wear this kind of trendy nonsensical dresses. And that's what is coming to them and that's what they are producing. And then I just thought of Jung who said that they worship some sort of funny people in Switzerland, some sort of funny images in Switzerland, and he said that these images come from the subconscious, and that's what they are worshipping as something like gods, because they have not seen gods. So this is another level of things where people come in where they start wasting their energy on the subconscious level and try to become more subconscious and try to work it out. So, then, comes another type of funny evolution where people think, "Now this is a UP business". So they have no jobs, nothing. They just wear striped coats and pants, nothing else. You see, they are just ordinary people, have a small little briefcase with them. They walk like this and this. So you ask them, "What is it?" They talk as if they are some sort of general manager of such and such company and something. And you find out they have no money and once I remember one fellow like that met me and said, "Can you lend me some money?" I thought, "What's the matter with this fellow? Why is he asking for money?" I said, "Why are you asking for money?" He said, "You see, I have no change and I have to buy some tickets on this". So I said, "All right." I gave him but we went into the train and we were on the same. He travelled by First Class. Can you imagine? And I said, "Where are you working?" He said, "I am unemployed". "Then why are you wearing this dress?" I couldn't understand. So it's another kind of a pretension people want to put up these days and some of them are really work alcoholics and some of them are without any jobs and this is all a drama they are playing, all the time, deceiving themselves, deceiving the whole society and living with this kind of deception. So now our canvas goes to the higher level of people who are so-called higher where I have moved quite a lot, and in these elite societies, I mean, you find the same people coming up. There isn't much difference in their wisdom. They don't know what they are talking, scandal mongering, all the time. The ladies, you see, the Lady this and Lady that and the Lady that, and what they are talking, these ladies, are, "Do you know this man? He flirts with his maidservant". I said, "How do you know?" She said, "We all know. You are an out of date person. You don't know these things. Very important." I said, "Really, I don't know. I'm sorry, I don't know the man at all". "No, no, but you must know. You know, he's the one he winks at that this one and he does that". I mean, such low level things they talk that you just don't understand how they are ladies. Then they will start talking about somebody's dress. "Oh, you know, that's a borrowed one. That's not hers." "How do you know it's a borrowed one?" "I know. I had borrowed the same the other day". What a level! I mean, there's no depth, there's no spirituality. There's nothing noble about it. So ignoble, so ignoble all these things are. It's repulsive, I tell you. But, if they are at that level of supposing at the helm of affairs they are there. You hear anybody, "What do you think of this man?" "Oh, he's all right, but you know he had affair with his secretary and then something happened. The Prime Minister said, 'You can't carry on with your secretary'. So now he's all right". Then, somebody, "What do you know about this person?" "He's all right, but you know, he is very sneaky". You ask about anyone, you see, and you'll never hear a good word about that person, and even if you hear something good, it will have some sort of a stigma with it. So that people and people and people who have lost all the beautiful attention by which you can adore, to admire, because they said there is nothing to admire these days, there's nothing to adore, there's nothing to be seen in people that we can say something great. Now, we have to do that. We have to give good images, ideals, believe in ideals, that we enjoy ideals, we enjoy our virtues, we enjoy our wisdom and this is what we have to say to ourselves, "Have we got that wisdom or not?" Are we above all these things? We can see the joke. I was amazed to hear the other day that our new Bishop of Canterbury, I mean, Archbishop of Canterbury, is appointing homosexuals as the priests. God save the young boys, I must say. Can you imagine such a thing happening? These are modern times. Such garbage! Horrible! Out of this garbage we have to create people who are like lotuses, but for us we have to be lotus. We should be fragrant, we should be beautiful, we should be generous, and we should know what we have got from the Divine as the gift. Then it becomes a Leela. When you have that power of Sri Krishna, it becomes a Leela. Not at the stage of Sri Rama when he had forgotten that he was an incarnation. When you have these powers within yourselves, then you enjoy your virtues and you emit virtues to others. People see you and say, "That's it! They are the people, something great, something to learn from them, something to know from them." This is what it is, and each one of them is quite capable. So, when we see all these things around and when we see all this madness around us, we have to rise above and see that we are very wise and we have the wisdom of our spirit and we are enlightened people, we are Buddhas, and what we have to do. So, even now sometimes I find very petty things coming up and very petty things happening in Sahaja Yoga. It is surprising. You know everything is a Leela when we become part and parcel of the whole thing. Then it's a Leela, not before that. So I hope we are preparing for Krishna Puja . We have to work it out for America now, which is the silliest place you can think of. I mean, the silliest place! The most idiotic people live there, actually, and the way they have producing funny things and we are accepting. The best part of it these days the idiots can dominate any country. Like we had Idi Amin, we had that Botswana fellow, all these people are dominating. So, especially for American Sahaja Yogis it's important to rise very much above the rest of the people. Why not like Martin Luther? We could do it. Why not we create people of that kind who speak of something great, who bring the attention of people to something higher, raise their necks upward to see that they see with their head higher than the others and see, see something great in us, something so idealistic, so impossible for them to understand. We have to have such unique people. And that's what we have to work out in our ascent, individual and in collective ascent. So, I am happy that you all are here and we have spent such nice time together and so many people have come all the way. It's so nice, and also, I would like to meet you all tomorrow sometime. If you have any personal problems you can come and see me, but tomorrow we want to have Havan, say, start at about, say .... the earlier the better. Whatever time you are ready after breakfast we should have the Havan done, but this time please do it with the full devotion. So, Havan has a double thing, is that we are evoking the Vishnu Tattwa. Tomorrow we will be having Vishnu's day, and also, that is evoked in you, evoked in the whole world. So we have to be very solemn about it and to get to that state where the whole thing becomes a Leela because you are so powerful, like Sri Krishna, then the whole thing becomes a Leela. May God bless you.

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1990-08-18 Speeches in Honor of Sir C.P. Transcript of Speeches in Honor of Sir C.P. 1990-08-18Hallowtree Scout Campsite, Ipswich (England) Shri Mataji: I said, “How?" They said, "See now, it’s a natural thing. Handmade". [Sahaja Yogis laughing]. “And the grass? Is God made or man-made?" He said, "See we put the grass and do some [UNCLEAR]". [Laughter] I mean, I thought some birds would come and pick it up and make it into a nest for themselves. Or you might find in the night, if you put the hat to one side, there is a little bird right there - little, little birdies saying something. [Laughter]. See, this is - I mean, it sounds so idiotic to you but is done as a craze you see. And a craze is a good word to suggest. "This is a craze, you see". It is madness. But they do it. And so our attention is ruined all the time, all the time. So we go to a higher level you see. We start an anti-culture business. "No, this is not good. This is not good". So, the other day, walking in America I was surprised. Most of them had their pants all torn, especially in this part. [UNCLEAR]. They were all torn. Such big, big openings. I was wondering what was the matter. And they were made, specially made - it’s called stonewash - and cut, cut like that. Imagine. Worse than beggars. I mean people do not have respect for themselves. Do not wear proper dress means you have no respect. And where is your attention? It is making yourself ridiculous. Then we went to a shop to buy something for the children. And they were all trendy clothes. Nothing classical. Nothing beautiful. All trendy, horrible dresses. Then I was wondering, where they must have discovered these dresses. And I was meditative. And I found out that these dresses were worn by some people a long, long time back in very primitive stages. And that must be coming to them through their subconscious area. Very primitive when their clothes were not properly done - then they used to wear such kind of primitive, nonsensical dresses. And that’s what is coming to them and that’s what they are producing. And then I just thought of Jung. Jung, who said that they worship some sort of funny people in Switzerland. Some sort of funny images in Switzerland. And he said that these images come from the subconscious. And that’s what they are worshipping as something like Gods. Because they have not seen Gods. So this is another kind of level where people come in; they start wasting their energy on the subconscious level. And try to become more subconscious and try to work it out. So there comes now another type of evolution where people think of now this yuppie business. So they have no jobs, nothing. They just wear striped clothes and that’s nothing, see they are just ordinary people. Have a small little briefcase with them, they walk like [UNCLEAR]. So you ask them, “What is it?” They talk as if they are the general manager of such and such company and [UNCLEAR]. And you find out they have no money. And once I remember, one fellow like that met Me and said, “Can you lend me some money?” I thought, “What’s the matter with this fellow? Why is he asking for money?” I said, “Why are you asking for money?” He said, “You see, I have no change and I have to buy some tickets”. So I said, “All right”. I gave him. But we went on the train and we were on the same. He travelled by first-class, can you imagine? I said, “Where are you going?” He said, “I am unemployed”. Then why do you want to wear this dress? I could not understand. So this is another kind of pretension people want to put up these days. Some of them are workaholics and some of them are without jobs. This is all a drama they are playing all the time. Deceiving themselves, deceiving the whole society. And living with this kind of deception. So now our canvas goes to the higher level of people, who are so-called higher. Where I move quite a lot. And in these elite societies. I mean, you find the same people coming up. There isn’t much difference in their wisdom. They don’t know what they are talking. Scandal mongering all the time. The ladies you see, the “Lady this”, and “Lady that”, and “Lady that”. And do you know what they are talking about? “Do you know this man? He flirts with his maidservant”. I said, “How do you know?” “We all know. You are an out-of-date person. You don’t know all these things? Very important”. “Really I don’t know. I am sorry. I don’t know the man at all”. “No, you must know, he’s the one. He winks at this one, he does that”. I mean, such low-level things they talk. You just don’t understand how they are ladies. Then they will start talking about somebody’s dress. “Oh, you know that’s a borrowed thing. That’s not hers”. “How do you know?” “I know, I had borrowed the same one the other day”. [Laughter]. What a level. I mean there’s no depth, there’s no spirituality. There’s nothing noble about it. So ignoble. So ignoble, all these things are. It is repulsive, I tell you. If they are at that level - supposing at the helm of affairs they are there; you hear of anybody - “What do you think of this man?” “Oh, he’s all right. But you know, he had an affair with his secretary and then something happened. The Prime Minister said, ‘You can’t carry on with your secretary’, so now he’s all right”. Then somebody, “What do you know about this person?” “He’s all right. But you know, he’s very sneaky”. You ask about anyone, you know, you will never hear a good word about that person. So. And even if you hear anything good, it will have some sort of a stigma about it. So people and people and people have lost the beautiful attention by which you adore, you admire. Because they say there is nothing to admire these days, nothing to adore. There is nothing to be seen in people that we can say, something great. Now we have to do that. We have to give images. Ideals. We live in ideals and we enjoy our ideals, we enjoy our virtues. We enjoy our wisdom. And this is what we have to see to ourselves - have we got that wisdom or not? Are we above all these things; we can see the joke? I was amazed to hear the other day that our new bishop of Canterbury - Archbishop of Canterbury is appointing homosexuals as the priests. God save the young boys, I must say. Can you imagine such a thing happening? These are modern times. Such garbage. Horrible. Out of this garbage, we have to create people who are like lotuses. But for us, we have to be a lotus. We should be fragrant. We should be beautiful. We should be generous. We should know what we have got from the Divine as the gift. Then it becomes love. You have that power of Shri Krishna. It becomes love. Not at the stage of Shri Rama. He had forgotten He was an incarnation. When you have these powers within yourself, then you enjoy - your virtues; you emit virtues to others. When people see, “Oh that’s it. They are the ones. Something great. Something to learn from them. Something to know from them”. And that’s it. Each one of them is quite capable. So, when we see all these things around, when we see all this madness around us and see. We are very wise. We have the wisdom of our Spirit. And we are enlightened people. We are Buddhas. And what do we have to do? So, even now I find sometimes very petty things coming up. And very petty things happening in Sahaja Yoga. It's surprising. You know everything is a leela - when we become part and parcel of the whole thing. Then it’s a leela; not before that. So I hope I prepared you for Krishna puja. We have to work it out on America now - it is the silliest place you can think of. I mean the silliest place. The most idiotic people live there, I tell you. And the way they are producing anything and the way we are accepting. The best part of it these days is the idiots can dominate any country. Like the way we had Idi Amin, we had that Botswana fellow - all these people are dominating. So, especially for American Sahaja Yogis, it is important to rise very much above the rest of the people. Why not like Martin Luther King? Why not do it? Why not create people of that kind? To speak of something great. Bring the attention of people to something higher. To raise their neck upwards. To see, to see with their head higher than the others are seeing. See something great in us. Something so idealistic, something so impossible for them to understand. We have to have such unique people. And that’s what we have to work out in our ascent. Individual and in collective ascent. So I am happy you all are here and we have spent such a nice time together. And so many people have come all the way. It’s so nice. And also I would like to meet you sometime tomorrow. And if you have any personal problem, you can come and see Me. But tomorrow we want to have havan, say, started about say - earlier the better. Whatever time you are ready after breakfast, we should have the havan done. But this time do it with full devotion. Havan has a double thing, is that we are evoking the Vishnu tattva. Tomorrow we will be having Vishnu’s name. And also that is evoked in you. Evoked in the whole world. So we have to be very solemn about it. And to get to that state where the whole thing becomes a leela. Because you are so powerful as Shri Krishna. Then the whole thing becomes a leela. May God Bless You. [A short music performance takes place]. Sir C.P.: I have some problem, some fever; but much better now. And I would not have missed this occasion for anything. I must profess my profound and abiding gratitude to all of you today who have spoken in such very, very kind terms. I have lived in this country now for nearly seventeen years. And the United Kingdom has become for me, my home country. Because I have not lived that long even in my hometown where I was born. Seventeen years is a long time. And I must tell you very honestly that I have enjoyed my stay, every moment of it. I am a great admirer of the people of the world. I have been all around the world with your Shri Mataji to many countries. And I have come to believe that we are one single human family. We may come from the North or the South or the East or the West but we are a part of one human family. And, living in this country, I felt the people in this country are impelled by the highest values of civilised existence. I am not saying this today; I have always maintained that ever since I came. And when the British government, Her Majesty the Queen decided to bestow upon me one of their highest honours, I felt happy, humble and a bit proud. In this gathering, there are many from Britain and I want to convey to you, as citizens of this country, my immense gratitude for the honour which has been bestowed upon me. This honour I assure you, in all humility is not a measure of my or my work. I have done my duty. But it is a measure of greatness - of the people of this country, the government of this country. And I say this because ordinarily, honours are given to nationals of the country. The British receive honours from the British which is right. But for them to go so much out of the way, to choose someone from the world - of course, I belong to the world; I am an Indian national. For them to go out of their way and for them to make a decision at the highest level - to bestow an honorary knighthood - is a very unique decision. And I very humbly and very respectfully pay my respects to Her Majesty the Queen. And I want to express my deep gratitude to the people and government of this country, this great maritime nation, for what they have bestowed upon me. And particularly for what Doctor Spiro said, that I have dedicated my life to the world of shipping through the United Nations system or through India. And as you know, for centuries Britain has been the premier maritime nation of the world. And from that nation to get recognition for services in shipping is a tremendous recognition. I am profoundly, deeply grateful for that. I beg of you to accept these feelings of gratitude. Mr Graham referred to the global aspect. And here I do want to mention again that many countries of the world have been kind similarly. Of course, the knighthood is the acme, the crown, the crowning glory. But thirty-one countries have given similar awards. And I tell you I was overwhelmed by the words used by the Right Honorable Cecil Parkinson at the dinner when insignia was presented to me. He himself said he had not heard of anyone who had received these thirty-one awards. But how kind he was, how gracious. When the British decide to do something, they do it marvellously, beautifully. The dinner in Lancaster House. They invited my wife. It was in Her honour as much as in mine. But they invited my two daughters as well from India. They made it a big family occasion. How very gracious. How very kind. How can one forget that? So once again, my deep and profound gratitude. But these honours, they have come my way and things have happened which even I can’t believe. Why have they happened? And there is a reason behind that. And the reason is sitting here. [Laughter and long applause]. I am not the only one serving the United Nations system. I am not the only one working hard, honestly. I am not the only one in tune with the vision of one world. There are so many others. Why is it that the Almighty should have chosen this humble being for an award with the highest honour of knighthood from the United Kingdom? I ask why? You know the answer. I know the answer. And I want to thank You. [Laughter and long applause]. All of you have referred to the sacrifice, which in your judgement I have made by not having the constant company of my wife as one would like to have. I think it would be right to say. And I will be honest, I would very much love to have Her company every moment. And I am sure all of you will love to do the same, is it not? [Laughter and long applause].But having said that, I know that She is present everywhere. She is with you. She is not with you physically every moment - but don’t you feel She is with you? [Applause]. So She is with me. She will blush if I say She is always in my heart, so I won’t say that. But She is literally with me. I assure you, whether She is in Australia or She is in America or She is on the Continent - I receive a telephone call in the morning. And I am told what medicine I have to take if I have not done. And She speaks to my cook and tells him what to cook for my lunch. How can you say that She is not with me? [Applause].Sahaja Yoga, I said some time as Gregoire said, Graham said, Doctor Spiro also - Sahaja Yoga as I have seen it grow and develop - is the only light of the future. I have mentioned and in the past also I have told you that I have lived by serving the United Nations system. It is mundane work. A world of tension, of conflict, of groups. And I have seen this new world growing and developing. A new world in which tensions have no place; in which love and harmony, decency and goodness - they take hold of everyone. And I should have thanked and I will now thank all of you for this beautiful gift. Very beautiful itself, but it has another meaning behind it. And I hope you know that. I have one bad habit and that is tea drinking. And my wife has permitted me to continue with that. [Laughter and applause].So you are pampering me by giving me this tea set. I assure you, I will have one more cup at least today through this set. Thank you. [Applause]. Shri Mataji: I must say mister Srivastava’s speech was so embarrassing that I got frozen into the chair. [Laughter] I don’t know what is the program now is, but I would like to know how many are going back this evening to the airport? Hardly very few. Of course, you see, what I was thinking, that you all could have your lunch and then we could come for the puja. The puja is going to last for about three hours, at least two and a half hours, so you’ll be free at about five o’clock if you don’t mind.[Applause] So I have not consulted doctor Spiro but I’d better ask him.[Laughter] It’s one-thirty already, you see, thanks to the Sahaj method of the nature, the rains at the wrong time. Alright, doesn’t matter, now it has stopped and everything is fine but still, I would say, let them have their lunch and then we can have the puja later on. There are hardly three, four people who are going this evening. So, it’s nice we can spend more time together.[Cheers of Shri Mataji Ki Jai and applause. ]. There’s a – one thing is that we are beyond time, “kalatit”: we are beyond time and we adjust everything according to our own rhythm, we are not bothered about this Swiss watch. I hope it’s Swiss. Mine always is out of order, so it’s alright. So let us be in a very relaxed mood and we’ll be - because what Krishna has said, we have to prove it in our lives also we have to be relaxed and I am sure it will work out better if we are absolutely in a relaxed way. And so I think you all have your food now and then we can come back at- so what time do we start puja? Three o’clock? We can start at three. And there are certain things which are missing also. Some artists are busy creating something new for you so let them have a full time. So a puja can last for three days or can last for one hour is alright, just the same. [End of recording].

1990-08-18 Speeches in Honor of Sir C.P. Transcript of Speeches in Honor of Sir C.P. 1990-08-18Hallowtree Scout Campsite, Ipswich (England) Shri Mataji: I said, “How?" They said, "See now, it’s a natural thing. Handmade". [Sahaja Yogis laughing]. “And the grass? Is God made or man-made?" He said, "See we put the grass and do some [UNCLEAR]". [Laughter] I mean, I thought some birds would come and pick it up and make it into a nest for themselves. Or you might find in the night, if you put the hat to one side, there is a little bird right there - little, little birdies saying something. [Laughter]. See, this is - I mean, it sounds so idiotic to you but is done as a craze you see. And a craze is a good word to suggest. "This is a craze, you see". It is madness. But they do it. And so our attention is ruined all the time, all the time. So we go to a higher level you see. We start an anti-culture business. "No, this is not good. This is not good". So, the other day, walking in America I was surprised. Most of them had their pants all torn, especially in this part. [UNCLEAR]. They were all torn. Such big, big openings. I was wondering what was the matter. And they were made, specially made - it’s called stonewash - and cut, cut like that. Imagine. Worse than beggars. I mean people do not have respect for themselves. Do not wear proper dress means you have no respect. And where is your attention? It is making yourself ridiculous. Then we went to a shop to buy something for the children. And they were all trendy clothes. Nothing classical. Nothing beautiful. All trendy, horrible dresses. Then I was wondering, where they must have discovered these dresses. And I was meditative. And I found out that these dresses were worn by some people a long, long time back in very primitive stages. And that must be coming to them through their subconscious area. Very primitive when their clothes were not properly done - then they used to wear such kind of primitive, nonsensical dresses. And that’s what is coming to them and that’s what they are producing. And then I just thought of Jung. Jung, who said that they worship some sort of funny people in Switzerland. Some sort of funny images in Switzerland. And he said that these images come from the subconscious. And that’s what they are worshipping as something like Gods. Because they have not seen Gods. So this is another kind of level where people come in; they start wasting their energy on the subconscious level. And try to become more subconscious and try to work it out. So there comes now another type of evolution where people think of now this yuppie business. So they have no jobs, nothing. They just wear striped clothes and that’s nothing, see they are just ordinary people. Have a small little briefcase with them, they walk like [UNCLEAR]. So you ask them, “What is it?” They talk as if they are the general manager of such and such company and [UNCLEAR]. And you find out they have no money. And once I remember, one fellow like that met Me and said, “Can you lend me some money?” I thought, “What’s the matter with this fellow? Why is he asking for money?” I said, “Why are you asking for money?” He said, “You see, I have no change and I have to buy some tickets”. So I said, “All right”. I gave him. But we went on the train and we were on the same. He travelled by first-class, can you imagine? I said, “Where are you going?” He said, “I am unemployed”. Then why do you want to wear this dress? I could not understand. So this is another kind of pretension people want to put up these days. Some of them are workaholics and some of them are without jobs. This is all a drama they are playing all the time. Deceiving themselves, deceiving the whole society. And living with this kind of deception. So now our canvas goes to the higher level of people, who are so-called higher. Where I move quite a lot. And in these elite societies. I mean, you find the same people coming up. There isn’t much difference in their wisdom. They don’t know what they are talking. Scandal mongering all the time. The ladies you see, the “Lady this”, and “Lady that”, and “Lady that”. And do you know what they are talking about? “Do you know this man? He flirts with his maidservant”. I said, “How do you know?” “We all know. You are an out-of-date person. You don’t know all these things? Very important”. “Really I don’t know. I am sorry. I don’t know the man at all”. “No, you must know, he’s the one. He winks at this one, he does that”. I mean, such low-level things they talk. You just don’t understand how they are ladies. Then they will start talking about somebody’s dress. “Oh, you know that’s a borrowed thing. That’s not hers”. “How do you know?” “I know, I had borrowed the same one the other day”. [Laughter]. What a level. I mean there’s no depth, there’s no spirituality. There’s nothing noble about it. So ignoble. So ignoble, all these things are. It is repulsive, I tell you. If they are at that level - supposing at the helm of affairs they are there; you hear of anybody - “What do you think of this man?” “Oh, he’s all right. But you know, he had an affair with his secretary and then something happened. The Prime Minister said, ‘You can’t carry on with your secretary’, so now he’s all right”. Then somebody, “What do you know about this person?” “He’s all right. But you know, he’s very sneaky”. You ask about anyone, you know, you will never hear a good word about that person. So. And even if you hear anything good, it will have some sort of a stigma about it. So people and people and people have lost the beautiful attention by which you adore, you admire. Because they say there is nothing to admire these days, nothing to adore. There is nothing to be seen in people that we can say, something great. Now we have to do that. We have to give images. Ideals. We live in ideals and we enjoy our ideals, we enjoy our virtues. We enjoy our wisdom. And this is what we have to see to ourselves - have we got that wisdom or not? Are we above all these things; we can see the joke? I was amazed to hear the other day that our new bishop of Canterbury - Archbishop of Canterbury is appointing homosexuals as the priests. God save the young boys, I must say. Can you imagine such a thing happening? These are modern times. Such garbage. Horrible. Out of this garbage, we have to create people who are like lotuses. But for us, we have to be a lotus. We should be fragrant. We should be beautiful. We should be generous. We should know what we have got from the Divine as the gift. Then it becomes love. You have that power of Shri Krishna. It becomes love. Not at the stage of Shri Rama. He had forgotten He was an incarnation. When you have these powers within yourself, then you enjoy - your virtues; you emit virtues to others. When people see, “Oh that’s it. They are the ones. Something great. Something to learn from them. Something to know from them”. And that’s it. Each one of them is quite capable. So, when we see all these things around, when we see all this madness around us and see. We are very wise. We have the wisdom of our Spirit. And we are enlightened people. We are Buddhas. And what do we have to do? So, even now I find sometimes very petty things coming up. And very petty things happening in Sahaja Yoga. It's surprising. You know everything is a leela - when we become part and parcel of the whole thing. Then it’s a leela; not before that. So I hope I prepared you for Krishna puja. We have to work it out on America now - it is the silliest place you can think of. I mean the silliest place. The most idiotic people live there, I tell you. And the way they are producing anything and the way we are accepting. The best part of it these days is the idiots can dominate any country. Like the way we had Idi Amin, we had that Botswana fellow - all these people are dominating. So, especially for American Sahaja Yogis, it is important to rise very much above the rest of the people. Why not like Martin Luther King? Why not do it? Why not create people of that kind? To speak of something great. Bring the attention of people to something higher. To raise their neck upwards. To see, to see with their head higher than the others are seeing. See something great in us. Something so idealistic, something so impossible for them to understand. We have to have such unique people. And that’s what we have to work out in our ascent. Individual and in collective ascent. So I am happy you all are here and we have spent such a nice time together. And so many people have come all the way. It’s so nice. And also I would like to meet you sometime tomorrow. And if you have any personal problem, you can come and see Me. But tomorrow we want to have havan, say, started about say - earlier the better. Whatever time you are ready after breakfast, we should have the havan done. But this time do it with full devotion. Havan has a double thing, is that we are evoking the Vishnu tattva. Tomorrow we will be having Vishnu’s name. And also that is evoked in you. Evoked in the whole world. So we have to be very solemn about it. And to get to that state where the whole thing becomes a leela. Because you are so powerful as Shri Krishna. Then the whole thing becomes a leela. May God Bless You. [A short music performance takes place]. Sir C.P.: I have some problem, some fever; but much better now. And I would not have missed this occasion for anything. I must profess my profound and abiding gratitude to all of you today who have spoken in such very, very kind terms. I have lived in this country now for nearly seventeen years. And the United Kingdom has become for me, my home country. Because I have not lived that long even in my hometown where I was born. Seventeen years is a long time. And I must tell you very honestly that I have enjoyed my stay, every moment of it. I am a great admirer of the people of the world. I have been all around the world with your Shri Mataji to many countries. And I have come to believe that we are one single human family. We may come from the North or the South or the East or the West but we are a part of one human family. And, living in this country, I felt the people in this country are impelled by the highest values of civilised existence. I am not saying this today; I have always maintained that ever since I came. And when the British government, Her Majesty the Queen decided to bestow upon me one of their highest honours, I felt happy, humble and a bit proud. In this gathering, there are many from Britain and I want to convey to you, as citizens of this country, my immense gratitude for the honour which has been bestowed upon me. This honour I assure you, in all humility is not a measure of my or my work. I have done my duty. But it is a measure of greatness - of the people of this country, the government of this country. And I say this because ordinarily, honours are given to nationals of the country. The British receive honours from the British which is right. But for them to go so much out of the way, to choose someone from the world - of course, I belong to the world; I am an Indian national. For them to go out of their way and for them to make a decision at the highest level - to bestow an honorary knighthood - is a very unique decision. And I very humbly and very respectfully pay my respects to Her Majesty the Queen. And I want to express my deep gratitude to the people and government of this country, this great maritime nation, for what they have bestowed upon me. And particularly for what Doctor Spiro said, that I have dedicated my life to the world of shipping through the United Nations system or through India. And as you know, for centuries Britain has been the premier maritime nation of the world. And from that nation to get recognition for services in shipping is a tremendous recognition. I am profoundly, deeply grateful for that. I beg of you to accept these feelings of gratitude. Mr Graham referred to the global aspect. And here I do want to mention again that many countries of the world have been kind similarly. Of course, the knighthood is the acme, the crown, the crowning glory. But thirty-one countries have given similar awards. And I tell you I was overwhelmed by the words used by the Right Honorable Cecil Parkinson at the dinner when insignia was presented to me. He himself said he had not heard of anyone who had received these thirty-one awards. But how kind he was, how gracious. When the British decide to do something, they do it marvellously, beautifully. The dinner in Lancaster House. They invited my wife. It was in Her honour as much as in mine. But they invited my two daughters as well from India. They made it a big family occasion. How very gracious. How very kind. How can one forget that? So once again, my deep and profound gratitude. But these honours, they have come my way and things have happened which even I can’t believe. Why have they happened? And there is a reason behind that. And the reason is sitting here. [Laughter and long applause]. I am not the only one serving the United Nations system. I am not the only one working hard, honestly. I am not the only one in tune with the vision of one world. There are so many others. Why is it that the Almighty should have chosen this humble being for an award with the highest honour of knighthood from the United Kingdom? I ask why? You know the answer. I know the answer. And I want to thank You. [Laughter and long applause]. All of you have referred to the sacrifice, which in your judgement I have made by not having the constant company of my wife as one would like to have. I think it would be right to say. And I will be honest, I would very much love to have Her company every moment. And I am sure all of you will love to do the same, is it not? [Laughter and long applause].But having said that, I know that She is present everywhere. She is with you. She is not with you physically every moment - but don’t you feel She is with you? [Applause]. So She is with me. She will blush if I say She is always in my heart, so I won’t say that. But She is literally with me. I assure you, whether She is in Australia or She is in America or She is on the Continent - I receive a telephone call in the morning. And I am told what medicine I have to take if I have not done. And She speaks to my cook and tells him what to cook for my lunch. How can you say that She is not with me? [Applause].Sahaja Yoga, I said some time as Gregoire said, Graham said, Doctor Spiro also - Sahaja Yoga as I have seen it grow and develop - is the only light of the future. I have mentioned and in the past also I have told you that I have lived by serving the United Nations system. It is mundane work. A world of tension, of conflict, of groups. And I have seen this new world growing and developing. A new world in which tensions have no place; in which love and harmony, decency and goodness - they take hold of everyone. And I should have thanked and I will now thank all of you for this beautiful gift. Very beautiful itself, but it has another meaning behind it. And I hope you know that. I have one bad habit and that is tea drinking. And my wife has permitted me to continue with that. [Laughter and applause].So you are pampering me by giving me this tea set. I assure you, I will have one more cup at least today through this set. Thank you. [Applause]. Shri Mataji: I must say mister Srivastava’s speech was so embarrassing that I got frozen into the chair. [Laughter] I don’t know what is the program now is, but I would like to know how many are going back this evening to the airport? Hardly very few. Of course, you see, what I was thinking, that you all could have your lunch and then we could come for the puja. The puja is going to last for about three hours, at least two and a half hours, so you’ll be free at about five o’clock if you don’t mind.[Applause] So I have not consulted doctor Spiro but I’d better ask him.[Laughter] It’s one-thirty already, you see, thanks to the Sahaj method of the nature, the rains at the wrong time. Alright, doesn’t matter, now it has stopped and everything is fine but still, I would say, let them have their lunch and then we can have the puja later on. There are hardly three, four people who are going this evening. So, it’s nice we can spend more time together.[Cheers of Shri Mataji Ki Jai and applause. ]. There’s a – one thing is that we are beyond time, “kalatit”: we are beyond time and we adjust everything according to our own rhythm, we are not bothered about this Swiss watch. I hope it’s Swiss. Mine always is out of order, so it’s alright. So let us be in a very relaxed mood and we’ll be - because what Krishna has said, we have to prove it in our lives also we have to be relaxed and I am sure it will work out better if we are absolutely in a relaxed way. And so I think you all have your food now and then we can come back at- so what time do we start puja? Three o’clock? We can start at three. And there are certain things which are missing also. Some artists are busy creating something new for you so let them have a full time. So a puja can last for three days or can last for one hour is alright, just the same. [End of recording].

8/18/1990

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Shri Krishna Havan, 1990-08-18 So we have today a special day for America and Canada this Havan I was thinking we should specially dedicate to the awakening of American and Canadian people. On one side all modernism has given us so many things for Sahaja yoga for example, this loudspeaker, this one, then we have little planes that I can travel, at the time of Christ nobody could think of that. Then we have television and one can give Realization on television. So many things there are. So, the quality of communication which is the quality of Virata of the Vishuddhi Chakra is being manifested and we are using it and is of a great help to Sahaja yoga. This is on one side. On the other side I find there are certain recognitions which we have got from America which we could not get anywhere. For example, we have got these procession of a church, which is the highest as a religion in America. That we could not have got anywhere else. I mean, in England you cannot even think of it. In England only there is only one religion and that is [unclear text] and the situation is on the other side now. So, the freedom which we have used has given us lots of benefits and also whatever things we have used which have come out of their communication advancement has helped us a lot. But these things are also used by other people so there is no discrimination. There are people who are using the same things for spreading something very evil. Also, the discrimination about this church, there are witchcrafts and satanic churches and black magic and everything is being sanctioned. Of course, they don’t have the procession of a church though but still that is there. So, everything goes whether it is bad, evil, or good or real. Everything goes hand-in-hand. That’s the kind of a country it is. So, people are very much confused and the confusion has reached such a state where they don’t know who is a real guru and who is not a real guru. Because of this freedom that they have, they have gone into a chaos which has no radar, which has no direction. Like these ships were here, I don’t know, these are all sailing vessels. If they do not have a radar they do not know, where to go. So they have no direction and because of that they got lost. They got lost in the way that they have a very superficial attitude towards life. Even for their seeking is very superficial attitude. So they have fallen into drugs, aids, . which are self-destructive and they can’t see that it is self-destructive. Also, they believe that unless and until you destroy yourself you cannot reach God. All these absurd ideas have come into them and they cannot find out, that is the sad part…pausing ..at the right time on the top of our head…. All these things that we are using for a right purpose could have been used also for the right purpose if they had understood the discrimination between right and wrong. Now they need lot of support because they are fighting a devil and materialism is another devil that is eating them of. For example, I was passing through this Kuwait at that time there were already these Iraqi military people had already lined up there. And if they wanted all these American’s and British’s who are there who are getting a very big pay and lot of money could have left. They could have just gone to Saudi Arabia. But because of their materialistic attitude they were waiting till the end. But they could have gone and come back. But they have purchased houses and they got their properties and all that so attached to it that they could not leave and now they are in mess. So this materialism also is another problem that is eating up America. The third problem is immorality. They have no discrimination as per the morality is concerned. And they don’t understand that morality is so important that if there is no morality, if there is no idealism human beings cannot be nourished. That’s the only way they can exist if they have morality. Morality is nothing but a proper guideline for leading a healthy and wealthy life. Because if you are immoral then you fall into all kinds of physical problems and also economical problems. Because I have known people who has spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on immoral behaviour. Also long as they get to drink and as long as they have women to play with they are very happy. So, this superficial life has given them nothing but a kind of a pleasurable life they think pleasures are everything, pleasure is fun. Also, it has created a greed for money to such an extent that there are children of twelve years of age carry their guns and sell drugs get about 10,000 dollars in a week and they don’t care for their lives as long as they can carry on. So this spoilence is also telling upon the society of America, of course, Canadians are better of that way. But they are very much exploited by Americans because all the raw material they get from Canada and use it in their own country and sell it back at a high price. This is not dharma. This is not balance. This is no humanity. This is how because of this freedom they think oh what’s wrong in it, what’s wrong. Lots of sins have been committed. And these sins because it’s a collective country are collective. On the other hand, they are responsible for starting these world organizations for helping world organizations and also they want to be popular with people also they want to follow certain ideas for the time being I would say like they want to support democracy. But if it helps them, well and good. If it doesn’t then they don’t mind helping at this point. Like India is a democratic country and is a very large democratic country. But they would never help India but they would always help Pakistan where there was a very short lived democracy. Because that’s also another problem with them is that they do not know whom to help and whom not to help. Because if you have certain principles like democracy then you must help democratic country whatever it is. So they do not stick to any principles. It’s all adjustable whenever they want they can go to this side and that side. Why I’m telling you this is that is a country of Shri Krishna. And for Shri Krishna everything is a play, leela but He is powerful, He is spiritually so powerful, His spirituality I should say. And then if He says it’s a leela then it is alright. But these people are spiritually beggars, absolutely beggars and then they want to have a whole thing as a play as a joke. They have missed the point. First, they have to be something like Shri Rama and then only they can achieve the status of Shri Krishna. And we have to also pray that they now take seriously to things which are important. But very surprisingly, I myself was surprised I have never seen any American being nude or anything they are always covered. That’s one thing. Now there is a law that even those people who swim should wear decent clothes. But you will find in England say worse in Switzerland all these places where women are half nude. You don’t find that in America at all in spite of the freedom some or the other they kept it up. And they respect the families and they respect the children. So because of Shri Krishna‘s blessings perhaps that they are understanding what is important. But also because they think they are free they are allowing all other things to come in. So, it’s in a state of confusion. You can say they are very confused people. In that confusion, they have lost lot of valuable things they could have given to the whole world. First of all, it’s a very rich country and produces everything for itself. And whatever may happen to it, it’s not like England or Switzerland where they import everything. It’s a country which is very self-sufficient. God has blessed them very well, so they can never become a poor country as such. They will always have food to eat, they will always have everything. But if they do not develop discretion after some time people will just take to drugs or take to something else and finish off. So, as if now, there is a movement about it and people are saying that all the white skin people in America might be destroyed. Most of them. Only the ethnic people will remain. Plus, the black people are taking to drugs so much that they may also be destroyed. So they already set the theory is going on. But nobody is frightened with it. Nobody is thinking on those lines. Everyone thinks that oh it is just a story like Sadham’s aggression [unclear text] I don’t know when they will get out of it. They are just like till Sadham’s gets hold of them and push them into some sort of a terrible situation. So, one thing we as Sahaja Yogis we should pray that they should get full idea about reality. They should know what they are facing and what are their problems. They should know and they should care for it. Because you see they live individually, they have no idea of collective destruction into which they are going. This is the biggest problem. If their collective becomes active then they will see that this is happening to our children, to our progeny, to everyone, to our neighbours. They are least bothered about it; they are just thinking about themselves as long as I get the money so it is alright. All this behaviour is little absurd I think for any human being that he cannot see his destruction. Then all their attitude toward life is sometimes out of freedom goes absolutely out of bounds may be that they do not wear decent dresses but they wear ridiculous things and they take to ridiculous behaviour. And this ridiculous behaviour shows that they are not yet matured enough. All of us have to pray that they should mature. If they mature, they will take to Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise they are very good hearted people. They harm themselves. They don’t want to harm anybody. They are being harming themselves. Those who try to harm themselves, have no time to harm others. So, they are not that kind of people that they will harm others. And also, I don’t think there is so much of rationalism there as we see in other parts of the countries. But one thing is they must have discrimination. And the power of discrimination or we can say the chakra of Hamsa is in Canada. So, if they stop exploiting Canadians and if Canadians know that this discrimination power they have got. If they are awakened to that I’m sure the combination of these two countries will work out the collectivity much better and they can do a lot for the emancipation of human beings. It’s a very very important country for us because it is Vishuddhi. And Vishuddhi is the controlling part of the whole body of our work and everything which you will see now, and you will see in the Vishnu Sahasranama you see how many qualities Vishnu has and how many things He has to work out in this world. And this is the thing they have to work out. That’s the instrument, America is the instrument of Shri Vishnu. So, it has to be awakened. Shri Vishnu sleeps a lot and He is sleeping again I think in America. So, we have to awaken him and once He is awakened I’m sure He will work out through His instruments and something new will come. That’s why we have arranged this today’s Havan also we will try to burn off all the negativities that we think are troubling this world. That’s how we will continue with the burning off all the negative things. If you people have any problems, you can also write it down on a piece of paper, which we can put it at the end of it. So, now the arrangements are such that nobody is near the fire. So, now you have to get some wooden things to sit down. You didn’t plan for something. Question: Would you like the Americans to perform the Havan of Shri Vishnu? Mother: See leaders should come. All the leaders, it is better and I would like to go nearer that fire. Alright. You can pull it out a little bit still it can not be very near.

Shri Krishna Havan, 1990-08-18 So we have today a special day for America and Canada this Havan I was thinking we should specially dedicate to the awakening of American and Canadian people. On one side all modernism has given us so many things for Sahaja yoga for example, this loudspeaker, this one, then we have little planes that I can travel, at the time of Christ nobody could think of that. Then we have television and one can give Realization on television. So many things there are. So, the quality of communication which is the quality of Virata of the Vishuddhi Chakra is being manifested and we are using it and is of a great help to Sahaja yoga. This is on one side. On the other side I find there are certain recognitions which we have got from America which we could not get anywhere. For example, we have got these procession of a church, which is the highest as a religion in America. That we could not have got anywhere else. I mean, in England you cannot even think of it. In England only there is only one religion and that is [unclear text] and the situation is on the other side now. So, the freedom which we have used has given us lots of benefits and also whatever things we have used which have come out of their communication advancement has helped us a lot. But these things are also used by other people so there is no discrimination. There are people who are using the same things for spreading something very evil. Also, the discrimination about this church, there are witchcrafts and satanic churches and black magic and everything is being sanctioned. Of course, they don’t have the procession of a church though but still that is there. So, everything goes whether it is bad, evil, or good or real. Everything goes hand-in-hand. That’s the kind of a country it is. So, people are very much confused and the confusion has reached such a state where they don’t know who is a real guru and who is not a real guru. Because of this freedom that they have, they have gone into a chaos which has no radar, which has no direction. Like these ships were here, I don’t know, these are all sailing vessels. If they do not have a radar they do not know, where to go. So they have no direction and because of that they got lost. They got lost in the way that they have a very superficial attitude towards life. Even for their seeking is very superficial attitude. So they have fallen into drugs, aids, . which are self-destructive and they can’t see that it is self-destructive. Also, they believe that unless and until you destroy yourself you cannot reach God. All these absurd ideas have come into them and they cannot find out, that is the sad part…pausing ..at the right time on the top of our head…. All these things that we are using for a right purpose could have been used also for the right purpose if they had understood the discrimination between right and wrong. Now they need lot of support because they are fighting a devil and materialism is another devil that is eating them of. For example, I was passing through this Kuwait at that time there were already these Iraqi military people had already lined up there. And if they wanted all these American’s and British’s who are there who are getting a very big pay and lot of money could have left. They could have just gone to Saudi Arabia. But because of their materialistic attitude they were waiting till the end. But they could have gone and come back. But they have purchased houses and they got their properties and all that so attached to it that they could not leave and now they are in mess. So this materialism also is another problem that is eating up America. The third problem is immorality. They have no discrimination as per the morality is concerned. And they don’t understand that morality is so important that if there is no morality, if there is no idealism human beings cannot be nourished. That’s the only way they can exist if they have morality. Morality is nothing but a proper guideline for leading a healthy and wealthy life. Because if you are immoral then you fall into all kinds of physical problems and also economical problems. Because I have known people who has spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on immoral behaviour. Also long as they get to drink and as long as they have women to play with they are very happy. So, this superficial life has given them nothing but a kind of a pleasurable life they think pleasures are everything, pleasure is fun. Also, it has created a greed for money to such an extent that there are children of twelve years of age carry their guns and sell drugs get about 10,000 dollars in a week and they don’t care for their lives as long as they can carry on. So this spoilence is also telling upon the society of America, of course, Canadians are better of that way. But they are very much exploited by Americans because all the raw material they get from Canada and use it in their own country and sell it back at a high price. This is not dharma. This is not balance. This is no humanity. This is how because of this freedom they think oh what’s wrong in it, what’s wrong. Lots of sins have been committed. And these sins because it’s a collective country are collective. On the other hand, they are responsible for starting these world organizations for helping world organizations and also they want to be popular with people also they want to follow certain ideas for the time being I would say like they want to support democracy. But if it helps them, well and good. If it doesn’t then they don’t mind helping at this point. Like India is a democratic country and is a very large democratic country. But they would never help India but they would always help Pakistan where there was a very short lived democracy. Because that’s also another problem with them is that they do not know whom to help and whom not to help. Because if you have certain principles like democracy then you must help democratic country whatever it is. So they do not stick to any principles. It’s all adjustable whenever they want they can go to this side and that side. Why I’m telling you this is that is a country of Shri Krishna. And for Shri Krishna everything is a play, leela but He is powerful, He is spiritually so powerful, His spirituality I should say. And then if He says it’s a leela then it is alright. But these people are spiritually beggars, absolutely beggars and then they want to have a whole thing as a play as a joke. They have missed the point. First, they have to be something like Shri Rama and then only they can achieve the status of Shri Krishna. And we have to also pray that they now take seriously to things which are important. But very surprisingly, I myself was surprised I have never seen any American being nude or anything they are always covered. That’s one thing. Now there is a law that even those people who swim should wear decent clothes. But you will find in England say worse in Switzerland all these places where women are half nude. You don’t find that in America at all in spite of the freedom some or the other they kept it up. And they respect the families and they respect the children. So because of Shri Krishna‘s blessings perhaps that they are understanding what is important. But also because they think they are free they are allowing all other things to come in. So, it’s in a state of confusion. You can say they are very confused people. In that confusion, they have lost lot of valuable things they could have given to the whole world. First of all, it’s a very rich country and produces everything for itself. And whatever may happen to it, it’s not like England or Switzerland where they import everything. It’s a country which is very self-sufficient. God has blessed them very well, so they can never become a poor country as such. They will always have food to eat, they will always have everything. But if they do not develop discretion after some time people will just take to drugs or take to something else and finish off. So, as if now, there is a movement about it and people are saying that all the white skin people in America might be destroyed. Most of them. Only the ethnic people will remain. Plus, the black people are taking to drugs so much that they may also be destroyed. So they already set the theory is going on. But nobody is frightened with it. Nobody is thinking on those lines. Everyone thinks that oh it is just a story like Sadham’s aggression [unclear text] I don’t know when they will get out of it. They are just like till Sadham’s gets hold of them and push them into some sort of a terrible situation. So, one thing we as Sahaja Yogis we should pray that they should get full idea about reality. They should know what they are facing and what are their problems. They should know and they should care for it. Because you see they live individually, they have no idea of collective destruction into which they are going. This is the biggest problem. If their collective becomes active then they will see that this is happening to our children, to our progeny, to everyone, to our neighbours. They are least bothered about it; they are just thinking about themselves as long as I get the money so it is alright. All this behaviour is little absurd I think for any human being that he cannot see his destruction. Then all their attitude toward life is sometimes out of freedom goes absolutely out of bounds may be that they do not wear decent dresses but they wear ridiculous things and they take to ridiculous behaviour. And this ridiculous behaviour shows that they are not yet matured enough. All of us have to pray that they should mature. If they mature, they will take to Sahaja Yoga. Otherwise they are very good hearted people. They harm themselves. They don’t want to harm anybody. They are being harming themselves. Those who try to harm themselves, have no time to harm others. So, they are not that kind of people that they will harm others. And also, I don’t think there is so much of rationalism there as we see in other parts of the countries. But one thing is they must have discrimination. And the power of discrimination or we can say the chakra of Hamsa is in Canada. So, if they stop exploiting Canadians and if Canadians know that this discrimination power they have got. If they are awakened to that I’m sure the combination of these two countries will work out the collectivity much better and they can do a lot for the emancipation of human beings. It’s a very very important country for us because it is Vishuddhi. And Vishuddhi is the controlling part of the whole body of our work and everything which you will see now, and you will see in the Vishnu Sahasranama you see how many qualities Vishnu has and how many things He has to work out in this world. And this is the thing they have to work out. That’s the instrument, America is the instrument of Shri Vishnu. So, it has to be awakened. Shri Vishnu sleeps a lot and He is sleeping again I think in America. So, we have to awaken him and once He is awakened I’m sure He will work out through His instruments and something new will come. That’s why we have arranged this today’s Havan also we will try to burn off all the negativities that we think are troubling this world. That’s how we will continue with the burning off all the negative things. If you people have any problems, you can also write it down on a piece of paper, which we can put it at the end of it. So, now the arrangements are such that nobody is near the fire. So, now you have to get some wooden things to sit down. You didn’t plan for something. Question: Would you like the Americans to perform the Havan of Shri Vishnu? Mother: See leaders should come. All the leaders, it is better and I would like to go nearer that fire. Alright. You can pull it out a little bit still it can not be very near.

8/19/1990

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Shri Krishna Puja. (UK), 19 August 1990. We have arranged this Puja specially in England so that many more can come and work out the awakening of Shri Krishna. Gita was written long time back, and it has been translated into so many languages, and lots of commentaries and criticism has been there. So this bookish knowledge of Gita has ruined many people, and even today you find there are many people who are selling the books of Gita all over and making it into a bookish knowledge. I don't think Krishna ever thought that His knowledge will be sold out like this to every Tom, Dick and Harry. As now, as you know, the Jehovah's Witness, they also selling Bible. So it has become a marketing company for Shri Krishna's Gita. There have been lots of horrible things against the real religion of ascent, and Krishna has said, "Whenever there is the decline of religion," which is true today very much, "and whenever there is the saints being tortured, I come on this earth to save the saints, and to destroy all the negative forces and the devils," as you call them, rakshasas. Pushtas they are called as, cruel people. So awakening of Krishna is very important, that within us He should arise and He should manifest His qualities within us. Then only the forces will work out. Krishna, as a child, killed so many rakshasas. Then He played with gopis just to open their Kundalini; He had the rasa by which to make the energy of Shri Radha to pass through them. After killing Kamsa, the main rakshasa who was ruling, who was actually His uncle, He killed him. That means, your relations, if they are devils and they are rakshasas, they have to be killed. Because he is your relation you should not try to save him and try to bestow his evil on Sahaja Yogis or on Sahaja Yoga. So Sahaja Yoga is the only organization in the whole world, whether you call it spiritual or whatever you may call it, is the only organization that it is also anxious to throw away many people from Sahaja Yoga. There is no organization - I mean we are not organization, also. But there is no spiritual movement, there is no movement in the whole world that not only allows people to go out of Sahaja Yoga but throws them out, because it is bound by the divine laws and it has to abide by the divine laws. Shri Krishna's style was that: what is the need to throw them away? Just kill them, finished. So He killed His own uncle, making His own aunt a widow. His own uncle He threw away, out of the world, sent him to hell directly, finished it off. But in Sahaja Yoga we give a chance for such people also who are very devilish types, who are very detrimental to our growth, who are against spirituality, who are against God, we give them a long rope to hang themselves. That's the Mother side of this incarnation, but the Krishna side is a very fast-moving one. Krishna did not live for very long. In that short time, how many rakshasas He killed! He fought on the side of Pandavas and He killed all the Kauravas. He didn't kill, He said, but He did. So the style of Krishna on one side also is extremely sweet, extremely nice. He is like honey, that's why He is called Madhava, Madhu. He is like honey on one side, only to the bees, only to the people who want to be blessed by Him. But to the evil people, I think He's one of the most dangerous personalities. Of course Shiva also does that, He has killed so many rakshasas. And also Devi has killed many rakshasas, but She went into wars, actual wars, and She went into discussions and arguments and things like that; but Shri Krishna, He never argued and He knew how to get rid of them, one by one, and He played some tricks on them. One of them I'll tell you. There was a rakshasa who by pleasing Shiva had got a blessing that he is sleeping and in his sleep anybody wakes him up, such a person should be made into ashes, Bhasmisat. Must be a good sleeper, I tell you, our neighbor, the camper, gets some sleep like that. And he said, "I should not be disturbed if I am sleeping." So, Shiva thought, "It's a very simple thing, you see. Why should anybody disturb this old Johnny? And he would be sleeping in some cave somewhere, so it's all right." He didn't think it would be quite dangerous. And he had also blessings that nobody can conquer him, and he cannot be, he cannot be disturbed by anybody who tries to conquer this boon on him. So actually he was a saint, in a way, because he was meditating and all that, but some saints become ascetic and become really, like you should say, very right-sided. So I would call him a rakshasa only because this kind of people are of no use. They just go on cursing people, saying things to them and just finishing them off. So then you, of course in Sahaja Yoga language there are only two things; there are Sahaja Yogis or rakshasas, there's nothing in between. So we could find he was a very right-sided, horrible, ascetic fellow who got this boon from Shiva. There was one rakshasa, actual rakshasa, I mean that was no saintliness in him at all. This is a mixture, half-baked sort of thing. You see, if you see the canvas of Mahabharata you will be amazed that all kinds of peoples are described in that. So now, this second one was a real, real rakshasa, born out of rakshasas and was of a rakshasa quality. He, too, had another boon from Shiva that nobody can kill him. Unless and until somebody who has got Your boon that he can kill somebody, nobody else should kill him. Imagine poor Shiva, you see, He thought, "It's a very sensible thing, after all, so that he won't cross Me." He said, "All right." He's very easily pleased, Shiva is, the problem is that. So, this second one, the real one, the real rakshasa was torturing people, and he started a big war and Shri Krishna also went in for that war. He was the one, that's the only war He fought Himself and they were all fighting there. So Shri Krishna knew that this Shiva is not going to let this person down at any cost, because he knows, "I am all right," so He would not allow him to be lost. So what should we do? So, He played a trick. He started running out of the battlefield. Now is regarded as something very cowardly to run out of a battlefield, you see. I mean a person, if like that goes to his house, his wife will refuse to have him. It's a very cowardly thing and it's very disgraceful, but what is for God, it has, it has - They have no sense of grace or disgrace, you see. So He ran out of the battlefield which we call, that's why He is called as Ranchod das, it means "the one who runs away from the battlefield." Ranchod das. It is His name. One of the names of Shri Krishna, is Ranchod das. So He ran out, He ran out and when this rakshasa discovered that Krishna has run away, he ran after Him. But Krishna was running very fast, you see. Rakshasa, being so bulky, could not run that fast, but still he was running, you see. And Krishna was seeing that he sees Him running up to that, was keeping it. So He went there and He entered into the cave where this another half-baked rakshasa and half-baked yogi was sleeping. He took out His shawl, Shri Krishna, and put it on that yogi and He hid Himself. He covered his face - he was fast asleep so very gently He did it. Now came the number one rakshasa, he entered into the cave, couldn't see Krishna anywhere but he saw this man sleeping, He saw this is Shri Krishna, "Oh, so now You are tired and now You are sleeping, now I'll see how You can survive, I'll see to it." And he just went onto his throat, so this half-baked fellow who was granted this boon, got up and he looked at him and with his third eye he burnt him and he became .... This is the trick. So that is how He killed so many rakshasas, and also He told tricks to others in arguments, also He killed half-baked people, quite a lot of them. So I must say He was so powerful that He could work out any trick on people, sitting down in one place. And there are so many stories about Him which I cannot tell in one lecture, that His killing process was so smooth that nobody objected to it. There was a woman who was a devil, was sent by Kamsa to kill Him. And she had poison, she had put poison in her breast and she came and she started nursing Him, and when He started sucking her (when he was a little boy of three, four years, or maybe two years) her breast, she started becoming big, big and she died. And then they saw that she was Putana, the one who was the devil, known. And once He knew that there are two rakshasas who are camouflaged as two big trees. So His mother tied Him once with - she was angry because He was stealing her butter so she didn't know what to tie so she tied Him with a pounding - that we have got for rice pounding, a kind of a wooden thing, big thing. It's quite heavy. So she tied Him to that. It's such a heavy thing, I mean, you need at least five-six people to lift it, but when she went away, Shri Krishna just walked with it with His small, little feet, you see, and went near those trees and hit them both on both the sides and both the trees fell down and the rakshasas died. He was so knowledgeable and so clever, because you know that He is the brain. He is the Virata. He did it without any compassion whatsoever. All His love, all His compassion, all everything, duty, was only meant for His gopis and gopes. And then, when He became the king, also His life is very mysterious for people to understand, but Sahaja yogis can understand it. But when He became the king, He had to have wives, so He married five wives. Imagine, more than Mohammed Sahib. These five, why five? Because they were five elements. So they were the causal of the five elements so He married five wives. Now he had sixteen thousand powers. Now you see a man, he may be old, even about ninety years of age, if he wants to keep some women around him, they will say he is a bad man. Not with a Mother, no, Mother can have as many as She likes, nobody is going to say anything about Her character, because Mother is Mother. But a man, see, he might be absolutely jumping into his grave, whatever it is. And there also, in India especially, if a lady tries to help him out, to be out of the grave, they will say he had bad relations with her. So, it was such a bad situation at that time that He didn't want to have bad name. So He said, "What should we do about these powers, because they'll be women? If they have to come on this earth, they'll be women and I don't want to have bad name," because He came for dharma. So what He did that these women became the princesses, and one king captured all of them. All these sixteen thousand women were under the capture of this man and this man was about to abuse them, so Shri Krishna invaded that man and got hold of all these. So, the sixteen thousand women which were captured by this camp - imagine why should it be sixteen thousand? Imagine sixteen thousand women, it's no easy thing to do. This man had sixteen thousand women who succumbed to his aggression and were there. And then He attacked this man and captured those sixteen thousand women and brought them and legally married them to show they were married. But what's the question of marriage because they were His powers? And He used their powers, you see. For what? For creating so many things, like if Shri Krishna had not come we would not have known really the significance of spiritual life. He was the first who talked of spiritual life. Rama did not talk of spiritual life, though there was an undercurrent in India. People knew there is spiritual life because there were saints, there were lots of what you call the seers. All of them were talking about it. But no incarnation talked about spiritual life. We had Rama Avatara, then we had Parashurama. We had so many of these people. Never, never they talked of spiritual life, never. It was Shri Krishna only who first started talking about spiritual life, and only to Arjuna He talked, because you see what was the condition. People were not prepared. So those people, Sahaja Yogis, who feel frustrated today because there are not many Sahaja Yogis or there is an obstruction, there are certain problems, must know that at the time of Shri Krishna He could dare speak about spirituality only to one person and that one was Arjuna. So, I mean, we are much better off, you see, aren't we? Then, of course, of course after Shri Krishna, who took the lead was Christ and He started talking about spirituality. Even you'll be surprised that Abraham or Moses did not talk of spirituality. They talked of God, but not of spirituality. Till Christ came, nobody said that you are to be born again, even on the other side of the world, only Shri Krishna said this thing. Shri Rama was taught by His guru that He should be born again, in the sense that what is the Kundalini and all that, not that He should be born again. But He had become a human being, as I told you. So he taught Him about Kundalini, he told Him about Kundalini but it was a very secret science followed by only very nath pundits as we call them, as the Adi Nath and all that. Very few people were given Realization. In Rama's time, as we know of one, Nachiketa, and His father-in-law was a Realized soul, so compared to that, imagine how many of us are today here who know about spirituality. Not only we feel our spirituality, we are spiritual. If you apply law of chance, I don't think there could have been after Christ even thirty people available, because if you see Christ died only two thousand years back. From Krishna's time to Christ's time it was six thousand years, and in six thousand years Krishna had none and Christ had twelve, so now calculate only two thousand years after that, how many could be? So ,we must know that it's now in a new explosion, that's why I call it as "blossom time," that we are definitely spiritual people, we have got spirituality and that the Divine is working. So the Kali Yuga is finishing, now it is Krita Yuga and the Krita Yuga is acting and this acting of Krita Yuga is responsible for giving us so many Sahaja Yogis. Krita Yuga means in the time when this all-pervading Power has started acting. Nobody before felt the cool vibrations, can you believe that? They felt the cool but not the vibrations. It was never related to any science; it was never related to physical science specially. So, I must say the achievement of Sahaja Yoga is tremendous. Also, thanks to this evolution in the acting of Yugas, also, that the all-pervading Power has started acting as I am on this earth. But you could say that "Mother, why didn't You come earlier?" That was not the time. Even today you find stupid people all around us. I mean the percentage of sensible people seems to be quite low in the western countries, though high up in others, but in the western countries very low, as far as the wisdom is concerned. So, we have these obstructions, these small things going on, doesn't matter. Sahaja Yoga will now prosper. It will flower and whatever people may say, you shouldn't worry, because once they start finding joy and happiness, once they start finding the truth, and if they are honest, they will not leave Sahaja Yoga. And many people know that they just don't want to leave Sahaja Yoga. I mean, say there is a husband and wife, and the wife is a horrible woman, supposing, or the husband is a horrible person and he obstructs the wife from coming to Sahaja Yoga, the husband will say, "All right, you go ahead, I will be with Sahaja Yoga because I have now felt the ambrosia, I have felt the beauty, the joy." Now imagine at the time of Shri Krishna, He talked to one person about the spirituality, only one person, Arjuna, which was heard by Sanjaya and which he related. It is so written by Vyasa, but He didn't tell to everyone, didn't show to anyone. He appeared in His Virata form on the battlefield but He never showed, but now you have got photographs to see, even if you can't see with your eyes. Some can see some things also, I've seen that some are feeling it. So you are developing, you are growing into it. So this is into a new realm. It was Shri Krishna Who started talking about it. Of course these nath pundits did believe in all that spirituality, but they did not talk about it, till the time, I think, of Gyaneshwara, perhaps would be. It was first the Gyaneshwara only who started talking about it. Before that it was a secret kept. Of course after Gyaneshwara we had other people talking about it, like we had Mohammed Sahib, we had Nanaka, we had so many other people like Shirdi Sai Nath and some Sufi people and they started talking on spirituality. So, we have to be historically very much thankful to Krishna because He is the One who has broken the first knot and that's why it's called as Vishnu Granthi and the Vishnu Granthi to knowledge has been first opened by Shri Krishna and He wanted that gradually it should work, gradually. So His Gita is not so clear cut, but is diplomatically written. So now we can find that the only person who first tried his hand on Gita was Gyanadeva and Gyanadeva, when he wrote on the sixth chapter, everything about Kundalini, they just said, "This is banned, you are not to read this one," because they could not deliver the goods. People knew about Kundalini, but they didn't want to read because they were told, "No, No, don't read, this is very wrong," and all that. So, spirituality is a subject absolutely unknown to the western people, though Christ was there but they have been only crucifying Him. If I see the Christianity, if I see Christ, it's so organized. From Christianity nobody can get out. Whatever sin you may commit, you are still a Christian. I know there was a fellow who murdered someone and he was taken to the courts. They said, "What are you?" And he said, "I am a Christian," though he had murdered. Then they gave him the Bible, "All right, put your hand on the Bible and say you are a Christian." He said, "I am a Christian, I believe in Bible." But why didn't they ask, "Why did you kill then?" Thou shalt not kill. So, even these religions which were formed did not have any rules or regulations that "All right, if somebody does like that we'll throw him out of our congregation or he is no more a Christian." On the contrary, you'll be surprised that when My father joined Congress in India to fight against the British, they threw him out of the congregation because according to the missionaries there, Christ was born in England. He must be an Englishman, so how dare My father join the Congress? Such an absurd idea! So, all these ideas which are so absurd, against God - against religion, against spirituality - became very prevalent and useful and convenient for these organized religions. That's one thing good about Hindu religion is there is nothing like a organization. So they can be agnostic, atheist, they can be anything. They could be Buddhist, they could be Jains. They could be anything and they could be Christians, but they could be Hindus also because it's not organized and because they are not organized, there is no restriction on them that "Don't do like this; don't do like that." But despite that I have seen, I'm surprised that Hindus are very meek people because the responsibility is left to themselves, not on an organization. If you have murdered somebody you are not to confess to the priest but confess to yourself and face yourself all the time. But so many filthy things crawled into this religion, also, of caste system which is just against Shri Krishna. They have no business to take Shri Krishna's name and do all these nonsensical things because Shri Krishna Himself has said that, "In everybody it resides." But they changed it a little, saying that, "Your caste is according to your birth." How can it be? As I told you the other day. Now this is another story I would say that they have tried to, Christ look like something very ordinary or even Shri Krishna look like something ordinary. These are the intellectuals. So, on one side, we have the stupid followers and the another side, we have those stupid intellectuals. So the message of Krishna never reached Hindus because He said, "In everybody resides the Spirit and you are part and parcel of the whole." Now a cell in the hand, is it an outcast because it is not in the brain? So what a wrong thing they have done to Shri Krishna and that's why when they suffer from racialism, I say, "You did the same to the caste, through your caste system you tortured the Harigans, you tortured the lower caste of people. So now you have them." It boomerangs, whole thing. So, Shri Krishna's life, if you see, is the beauty of it is that He said that "Life is a lila" - for Him, not for everyone, because He is so powerful. And this leela part was taken over by Americans very nicely because they were born in the land of Shri Krishna, that it's all 'lila'. "What's wrong? Do what you like, what's wrong?" Whatever you are doing is just a lila, is just a play. So what? Marry as many as you like, leave your children to dogs, do all kinds of things with your morality, destroy yourself morning till evening, behave in the same manner as if they are animals. So what? Study the animal behavior because it's as if we have no sense of behavior, so we study the animal behavior and behave like the animals. So are we going to become now snakes or some sort of worms or I don't know what they are up to, and whole system is just the opposite of Shri Krishna. So this stupid movement of Shri Krishna's consciousness reached there. I don't know how they understood that Shri Krishna is the deity of America, but somehow some bhoot must have told them that "You go there." And they are another stupid people who are selling Gita, selling this bookish knowledge, but now of course it has boomeranged on him and now they are all right. Now they are frozen. But the way they have been talking about Shri Krishna, they do not realize they have missed the point. He said, "It's a lila." So then why are you wearing these dresses, why have you become a sanyasi? Why are you giving up - not to eat this food, not to eat that food? And then they are taking drugs, they are selling drugs. Whatever is not based on truth will go to something that is destructive. Truth is the only thing that is constructive. All these ideas sometimes confuse us, what is this, in the name of God, in the name of Shri Krishna, in the name of Christ, in the name of Mohammed Sahib all these things are done and also some people do it even in My name, "Mother said; Mother said so." It is prohibited for Sahaja yogi to say that because I've had enough of it in last lives. So this life nobody is going to say, "Mother said it." "I say." Have that much confidence and responsibility to say, "I say." I am a Sahaja Yogi, you are a Sahaja Yogi, why can't you say? So, now from today's puja onward we have awakened the Shri Krishna within us. So, his powers of sweetness as well of destruction will act and you don't have to worry, you are completely protected. He has already said that, "Yoga kshemam vahamyaham." "I give you yoga" and the "kshema" means your benevolence, He looks after. So, you don't have to worry, but it will act and it will work and nobody can harm you. It will all boomerang on them. There's like divine punishment and you don't have to worry. Of course, as a Mother, I never feel of punishing anyone, as such, but they just get punished, what can I do? And now this awakening can be very dangerous, so I think we have to accept it now within ourselves that we have to be extremely sweet, nice, collective. If you are not collective then Krishna will be after your life. If you try to destroy collectivity, He will be after you, I mean He is a tremendous person, I tell you. He is so tricky. He is so clever, and He is a very smooth worker, I tell you. So, be careful. If you are collective then He'll strengthen you, He'll nourish you, He'll do everything, He'll give you butter to eat. So you have to be collective, that's the main part. And those people who just come to the program and then disappear should know that it won't work out. You have to be collective and if they don't want to be collective, we don't want to force them. But if they are not collective they are not Sahaja Yogis. And nobody should recommend them to anyone and Sahaja Yogis should have nothing to do with non-collective people nor with people who are not Sahaja Yogis. We have very beautiful children here, we have beautiful families. We have everything so beautiful, such beautiful people to love each other and enjoy each other. So we should not get entangled into the mess of other people who are blind. It would be like we have a nice organized place where everybody is sitting in the light, suddenly you want to go to the place where there are many snakes inhabited who are biting everyone. So go ahead and then you shouldn't say that "Mother, you punished me." You wanted to go into the hell of the snakes, so you go and have it. I never punish. But maybe Shri Krishna might lure you there, you see that's His style, just to have a little bite of a snake. So according to Shri Krishna, we have to be very playful. Now we are all realized people, and you are very happy and you are all very playful and joyous and also now you are so capable, you have spirituality, you can give Realization to others. Even I was told that in the streets people ask for Realization, some people went to Eastern Blocs and they got five thousand people. Somebody went down to Argentina, got so many people. So it's very good, all these, My hands are extending and the work is taking place. Everybody should take it up. Select a place and I'll go there and work it out. Select one place and work it out, all of you can do it because you have now got the powers, better work it out, use them. If you don't use the powers, you'll become blunt, so use your powers and believe that you have power and that only thing you have to keep in the bounds, in the maryadas of Sahaja Yoga, that you have to lead a very moral, good life and you must feel your vibrations properly and keep good health which you can easily do. If, as they say, I can work like this, days in, day out, you can also work. You are all very young, everybody seems to be younger than Me. I am the oldest person here. So if I could do so much, why can't you? So one thing you must ask in your prayer in the evening when you are sleeping: "What have I done for Sahaja Yoga?" One sentence, all of you, just ask this question: "What have I done for Sahaja Yoga?" Like persons like Me or Shri Krishna or anyone, We don't even feel We are doing anything. So what can We ask? If I want to ask Myself, I'll fall into an ocean I think, I don't know, I'll be lost. If I want to analyze Myself, I get lost. If I want to think about Myself, I get lost. It's beyond Me, then let it be, doesn't matter. I don't want to know Myself. But you better know yourself. You can't be Me. So as far as I am concerned I only think that as long as I live - I don't know, I may live forever, I am living forever maybe, you might say that, but whatever it is as long as I'm on this earth I will see that Sahaja Yoga is fully established. This is My promise to you. [Maharathi] He comes on this earth again to establish the religion, but not only religion but Vishwa Nirmala Dharma, which is a much higher religion than the ordinary religion of human beings. within themselves, is the Vishwa Nirmala Dharma we'll establish in a very short time, I'm sure, on this earth. So may God bless you! So today the children are sleeping now - if they can get up for a while they can come and wash My feet. How many are awake? Some are awake. You can sing some Ganesha song instead of Atharva Sheersha.(break in recording).... no provision for this kind of acceptance of these ornaments, but when he came he just tried to take everything that was in that temple. At that time the story was created, I don't know how far it is true, but a story of Indians, you see, Indian style. The story was like this: that when Mahadeva was attacked by him, He started running away from the temple. He was running, running, running, running fast and then He found Bhairava sitting there. So Bhairava and Hanumana both were sitting and They said, "You are the Devas of Devas, You are the Mahadeva of Devas and why are You running? After all, what is he, this Tamolang? Why running? He was lame with one foot and why are you running away from him? You can just finish him off; what is the need to run away?" No, he was Mohammed Gazni. Sorry, he was Mohammed Gazni who did it, but Tamolanga also attacked but then Mohammed Gazni. So this Mohammed Gazni was running after Mahadeva, and first Tamolanga has looted but he couldn't go to that far, so this Mohammed Gazni came in and he started looting that temple. So then when he started running after Mahadeva, Mahadeva told him, "You don't know, you don't know this Mohammed Gazni, who is. His name is Mohammed Gazni but he is somebody else." Said, "Who is he?" "All right, come, you hide here, I'll show you." So behind Mahadeva was running Mohammed Gazni, so they hid themselves on one side and they saw this Mohammed Gazni came and he was very tired. He sat down near one tree and he started just relaxing, and suddenly they found it was Shri Krishna. He said, "This valundar," means this, this cunning fellow, "is running after me, now do you think I may escape him? Of course I should have punished these Brahmins who were misbehaving. I did not so, he has come, but now I cannot help so I am away out of it, you see, because this one has come after My life and now you cannot save yourself." So this is the story the people, the general public, created there. So it has happened many a times because He was the brother of the Shakti of Shiva and because He's so clever, he's so intelligent that Shiva was quite afraid of Him, and overactive. So you see Americans are extremely active people and now, of course, England, we need not say. It's a little lethargic, little bit, not much. So now the awakening of Shri Krishna is going to work everywhere, and you are all going to be extremely active about Sahaja Yoga, I think so. This is a new thing that has happened, and I'm very happy it has happened and that the Americans also agreed to come here. By this we take a little bit of the qualities of Shiva to America, that is of magnanimity and also of laziness a little bit, and give some qualities of Shri Krishna to this country. This exchanges it. Shri Krishna Puja 1990: Shri Mataji speaks about the music to be played by the musicians. Below is a transcription of the relevant details. Now the last raga is Bhairavi has to be played under all traditional ways and is a raga that is in praise of the power of the Spirit, because it has such beautiful notes and notes which are ... it's a complete sampurna, is a complete raga. All the twelve notes are in it. So you see it is such a complete raga and it has to be played in all due respect to it. It's a ragini, regarded as. Now as you know that the Heart Chakra has got twelve petals, and the Durga resides on the Heart Chakra. Now the Durga's qualities are that She is protective of Her children, She's very gentle, very soft with Her children, and She's extremely horrifying to the satanic people, to the negative people. So in this raga I think because there are, the notes are spaced out. So either you could play it slow or you could play it fast. Nothing in between. That's why it is on a Durga's style. You see, either She is extremely gentle or She is extremely horrifying. So because She has a double function: is one to look after Her children, and another is protect Her children from the devils. So She has to be very quick about it, to fight them, and to, in every way to frighten them and to be alert about it. So in the second part you all became very alerted I saw. In the first part you were having a lullaby because it was the Mother's love that was playing. The second part you became alert, because She has to fight. Now, this is such a nice raga because it gives you a better sense of security within yourself, builds up sense of security, and also as you know medically that it's important to build up this chakra because that gives you antibodies created. So to fight all the diseases, to fight all the foreign things which try to attack us. So this raga is so apt, absolutely apt for today's atmosphere and for today's need. That we have to have the security of the Mother and the protection of the Mother and that all the evil forces must be finished from this world, and that's how this raga has a very great significance and I thank him very much for playing this raga. This is, now the last five minutes he would like to play is the Bhairavi which is a complete raga as you can call it, is the complete purnima. All the notes are there. And it is played in various ways and various styles and is used for so many expressions of your feelings and thing. But in this also there's a beautiful song as you know, the Anhi Bhavani, is the one which is a song about the Mother Goddess. And in this Anhi Bhavani, I think there is a little mixture in the ... I don't know if it is absolutely pure Bhairavi or not. Shri Mataji asks musicians: It is to be played absolutely in Shuddha Bhairavi? (Shri Mataji and musicians discuss together a little then She asserts ... ) It should be played in pure Bhairavi - this is the best way. Because Bhairavi is the name of the Goddess. You see the purity of it creates that feeling and that, I mean, it awakens that deity so that you get that effect with the Bhairavi. (Shri Mataji and musicians talk together then She continues ... ) Indian music has such a lot of freedom, such a lot of freedom. You can do what you like with it. But only thing is you have to keep to the ragas and you have to keep to the Swaras and everything. You cannot just go crazy from one to another like that. So it is like a big aeroplane which is going in the air with everything completely fixed properly. You see, so it can go anywhere. Unless and until it's fixed, has it's own maryadas it cannot go. So that has to be there. So first the ragas are built, and built in such a way they are absolutely perfect and then you can go wherever you feel like. Nothing will happen. (More discussion with musicians.) (Raga begins. Shri Mataji continues ...) First, he will play all the twelve notes which are built in Bhairavi and then you will see how he keeps to that. He keeps to that Wow, wow! It's the Heart Chakra. It's the Heart Chakra of Shiva. (Musicians continue to play.) The surrendering, you see. Islam is surrender. Islam is the surrender. (Musicians continue to play.) Musician: In India it used to be different about thirty or forty years ago, this is the kind of music we used to have, when people would sit like you are, here, so nice, so beautiful, a family. Shri Mataji: Absolutely a family rapport. Musician: Absolutely Musician: You bring out that from us. Shri Mataji: You see what he's saying is this. You know I am such an old woman of sixty-seven years and I think of My childhood and also of My family. My father was a great, great connoisseur of music and he supported music, and musicians left and right, and we heard all the musicians because they would come to our house, stay with us and he would go all out to spend for them, pay for them; I mean, do all kinds of things. So in the family the music came in and then My sister took to music and everybody in family took to music quite a lot because of My father because he was fond of cricket and also of music very much. But the best part of it, what I am feeling, all the family would sit down and then My sister would sing or anybody, you see the rapport. Then he would give the, what you call, the impetus, he would give us the feelings of: "Now, this is it now coming up." There's such a rapport in the whole thing between the musician and all, and with such relaxation everybody appreciating it and just like waves after waves of a big ocean coming over and that sort of a thing it was. And then only you can enjoy music. But if you are worried about time, this, that... we give up all that to listen to music. And even if you carry all that load with you, what's the use of listening to music? You have to come to music with all these things left out and then you really enjoy the whole thing. And that is what today I feel that our whole family of Sahaja Yogis are enjoying this rapport with him and enjoying the whole beauty of the whole music, it's something so great. But see the surrendering, you just develop the feeling what you get out of it, you see like.... (Music continues.)

Shri Krishna Puja. (UK), 19 August 1990. We have arranged this Puja specially in England so that many more can come and work out the awakening of Shri Krishna. Gita was written long time back, and it has been translated into so many languages, and lots of commentaries and criticism has been there. So this bookish knowledge of Gita has ruined many people, and even today you find there are many people who are selling the books of Gita all over and making it into a bookish knowledge. I don't think Krishna ever thought that His knowledge will be sold out like this to every Tom, Dick and Harry. As now, as you know, the Jehovah's Witness, they also selling Bible. So it has become a marketing company for Shri Krishna's Gita. There have been lots of horrible things against the real religion of ascent, and Krishna has said, "Whenever there is the decline of religion," which is true today very much, "and whenever there is the saints being tortured, I come on this earth to save the saints, and to destroy all the negative forces and the devils," as you call them, rakshasas. Pushtas they are called as, cruel people. So awakening of Krishna is very important, that within us He should arise and He should manifest His qualities within us. Then only the forces will work out. Krishna, as a child, killed so many rakshasas. Then He played with gopis just to open their Kundalini; He had the rasa by which to make the energy of Shri Radha to pass through them. After killing Kamsa, the main rakshasa who was ruling, who was actually His uncle, He killed him. That means, your relations, if they are devils and they are rakshasas, they have to be killed. Because he is your relation you should not try to save him and try to bestow his evil on Sahaja Yogis or on Sahaja Yoga. So Sahaja Yoga is the only organization in the whole world, whether you call it spiritual or whatever you may call it, is the only organization that it is also anxious to throw away many people from Sahaja Yoga. There is no organization - I mean we are not organization, also. But there is no spiritual movement, there is no movement in the whole world that not only allows people to go out of Sahaja Yoga but throws them out, because it is bound by the divine laws and it has to abide by the divine laws. Shri Krishna's style was that: what is the need to throw them away? Just kill them, finished. So He killed His own uncle, making His own aunt a widow. His own uncle He threw away, out of the world, sent him to hell directly, finished it off. But in Sahaja Yoga we give a chance for such people also who are very devilish types, who are very detrimental to our growth, who are against spirituality, who are against God, we give them a long rope to hang themselves. That's the Mother side of this incarnation, but the Krishna side is a very fast-moving one. Krishna did not live for very long. In that short time, how many rakshasas He killed! He fought on the side of Pandavas and He killed all the Kauravas. He didn't kill, He said, but He did. So the style of Krishna on one side also is extremely sweet, extremely nice. He is like honey, that's why He is called Madhava, Madhu. He is like honey on one side, only to the bees, only to the people who want to be blessed by Him. But to the evil people, I think He's one of the most dangerous personalities. Of course Shiva also does that, He has killed so many rakshasas. And also Devi has killed many rakshasas, but She went into wars, actual wars, and She went into discussions and arguments and things like that; but Shri Krishna, He never argued and He knew how to get rid of them, one by one, and He played some tricks on them. One of them I'll tell you. There was a rakshasa who by pleasing Shiva had got a blessing that he is sleeping and in his sleep anybody wakes him up, such a person should be made into ashes, Bhasmisat. Must be a good sleeper, I tell you, our neighbor, the camper, gets some sleep like that. And he said, "I should not be disturbed if I am sleeping." So, Shiva thought, "It's a very simple thing, you see. Why should anybody disturb this old Johnny? And he would be sleeping in some cave somewhere, so it's all right." He didn't think it would be quite dangerous. And he had also blessings that nobody can conquer him, and he cannot be, he cannot be disturbed by anybody who tries to conquer this boon on him. So actually he was a saint, in a way, because he was meditating and all that, but some saints become ascetic and become really, like you should say, very right-sided. So I would call him a rakshasa only because this kind of people are of no use. They just go on cursing people, saying things to them and just finishing them off. So then you, of course in Sahaja Yoga language there are only two things; there are Sahaja Yogis or rakshasas, there's nothing in between. So we could find he was a very right-sided, horrible, ascetic fellow who got this boon from Shiva. There was one rakshasa, actual rakshasa, I mean that was no saintliness in him at all. This is a mixture, half-baked sort of thing. You see, if you see the canvas of Mahabharata you will be amazed that all kinds of peoples are described in that. So now, this second one was a real, real rakshasa, born out of rakshasas and was of a rakshasa quality. He, too, had another boon from Shiva that nobody can kill him. Unless and until somebody who has got Your boon that he can kill somebody, nobody else should kill him. Imagine poor Shiva, you see, He thought, "It's a very sensible thing, after all, so that he won't cross Me." He said, "All right." He's very easily pleased, Shiva is, the problem is that. So, this second one, the real one, the real rakshasa was torturing people, and he started a big war and Shri Krishna also went in for that war. He was the one, that's the only war He fought Himself and they were all fighting there. So Shri Krishna knew that this Shiva is not going to let this person down at any cost, because he knows, "I am all right," so He would not allow him to be lost. So what should we do? So, He played a trick. He started running out of the battlefield. Now is regarded as something very cowardly to run out of a battlefield, you see. I mean a person, if like that goes to his house, his wife will refuse to have him. It's a very cowardly thing and it's very disgraceful, but what is for God, it has, it has - They have no sense of grace or disgrace, you see. So He ran out of the battlefield which we call, that's why He is called as Ranchod das, it means "the one who runs away from the battlefield." Ranchod das. It is His name. One of the names of Shri Krishna, is Ranchod das. So He ran out, He ran out and when this rakshasa discovered that Krishna has run away, he ran after Him. But Krishna was running very fast, you see. Rakshasa, being so bulky, could not run that fast, but still he was running, you see. And Krishna was seeing that he sees Him running up to that, was keeping it. So He went there and He entered into the cave where this another half-baked rakshasa and half-baked yogi was sleeping. He took out His shawl, Shri Krishna, and put it on that yogi and He hid Himself. He covered his face - he was fast asleep so very gently He did it. Now came the number one rakshasa, he entered into the cave, couldn't see Krishna anywhere but he saw this man sleeping, He saw this is Shri Krishna, "Oh, so now You are tired and now You are sleeping, now I'll see how You can survive, I'll see to it." And he just went onto his throat, so this half-baked fellow who was granted this boon, got up and he looked at him and with his third eye he burnt him and he became .... This is the trick. So that is how He killed so many rakshasas, and also He told tricks to others in arguments, also He killed half-baked people, quite a lot of them. So I must say He was so powerful that He could work out any trick on people, sitting down in one place. And there are so many stories about Him which I cannot tell in one lecture, that His killing process was so smooth that nobody objected to it. There was a woman who was a devil, was sent by Kamsa to kill Him. And she had poison, she had put poison in her breast and she came and she started nursing Him, and when He started sucking her (when he was a little boy of three, four years, or maybe two years) her breast, she started becoming big, big and she died. And then they saw that she was Putana, the one who was the devil, known. And once He knew that there are two rakshasas who are camouflaged as two big trees. So His mother tied Him once with - she was angry because He was stealing her butter so she didn't know what to tie so she tied Him with a pounding - that we have got for rice pounding, a kind of a wooden thing, big thing. It's quite heavy. So she tied Him to that. It's such a heavy thing, I mean, you need at least five-six people to lift it, but when she went away, Shri Krishna just walked with it with His small, little feet, you see, and went near those trees and hit them both on both the sides and both the trees fell down and the rakshasas died. He was so knowledgeable and so clever, because you know that He is the brain. He is the Virata. He did it without any compassion whatsoever. All His love, all His compassion, all everything, duty, was only meant for His gopis and gopes. And then, when He became the king, also His life is very mysterious for people to understand, but Sahaja yogis can understand it. But when He became the king, He had to have wives, so He married five wives. Imagine, more than Mohammed Sahib. These five, why five? Because they were five elements. So they were the causal of the five elements so He married five wives. Now he had sixteen thousand powers. Now you see a man, he may be old, even about ninety years of age, if he wants to keep some women around him, they will say he is a bad man. Not with a Mother, no, Mother can have as many as She likes, nobody is going to say anything about Her character, because Mother is Mother. But a man, see, he might be absolutely jumping into his grave, whatever it is. And there also, in India especially, if a lady tries to help him out, to be out of the grave, they will say he had bad relations with her. So, it was such a bad situation at that time that He didn't want to have bad name. So He said, "What should we do about these powers, because they'll be women? If they have to come on this earth, they'll be women and I don't want to have bad name," because He came for dharma. So what He did that these women became the princesses, and one king captured all of them. All these sixteen thousand women were under the capture of this man and this man was about to abuse them, so Shri Krishna invaded that man and got hold of all these. So, the sixteen thousand women which were captured by this camp - imagine why should it be sixteen thousand? Imagine sixteen thousand women, it's no easy thing to do. This man had sixteen thousand women who succumbed to his aggression and were there. And then He attacked this man and captured those sixteen thousand women and brought them and legally married them to show they were married. But what's the question of marriage because they were His powers? And He used their powers, you see. For what? For creating so many things, like if Shri Krishna had not come we would not have known really the significance of spiritual life. He was the first who talked of spiritual life. Rama did not talk of spiritual life, though there was an undercurrent in India. People knew there is spiritual life because there were saints, there were lots of what you call the seers. All of them were talking about it. But no incarnation talked about spiritual life. We had Rama Avatara, then we had Parashurama. We had so many of these people. Never, never they talked of spiritual life, never. It was Shri Krishna only who first started talking about spiritual life, and only to Arjuna He talked, because you see what was the condition. People were not prepared. So those people, Sahaja Yogis, who feel frustrated today because there are not many Sahaja Yogis or there is an obstruction, there are certain problems, must know that at the time of Shri Krishna He could dare speak about spirituality only to one person and that one was Arjuna. So, I mean, we are much better off, you see, aren't we? Then, of course, of course after Shri Krishna, who took the lead was Christ and He started talking about spirituality. Even you'll be surprised that Abraham or Moses did not talk of spirituality. They talked of God, but not of spirituality. Till Christ came, nobody said that you are to be born again, even on the other side of the world, only Shri Krishna said this thing. Shri Rama was taught by His guru that He should be born again, in the sense that what is the Kundalini and all that, not that He should be born again. But He had become a human being, as I told you. So he taught Him about Kundalini, he told Him about Kundalini but it was a very secret science followed by only very nath pundits as we call them, as the Adi Nath and all that. Very few people were given Realization. In Rama's time, as we know of one, Nachiketa, and His father-in-law was a Realized soul, so compared to that, imagine how many of us are today here who know about spirituality. Not only we feel our spirituality, we are spiritual. If you apply law of chance, I don't think there could have been after Christ even thirty people available, because if you see Christ died only two thousand years back. From Krishna's time to Christ's time it was six thousand years, and in six thousand years Krishna had none and Christ had twelve, so now calculate only two thousand years after that, how many could be? So ,we must know that it's now in a new explosion, that's why I call it as "blossom time," that we are definitely spiritual people, we have got spirituality and that the Divine is working. So the Kali Yuga is finishing, now it is Krita Yuga and the Krita Yuga is acting and this acting of Krita Yuga is responsible for giving us so many Sahaja Yogis. Krita Yuga means in the time when this all-pervading Power has started acting. Nobody before felt the cool vibrations, can you believe that? They felt the cool but not the vibrations. It was never related to any science; it was never related to physical science specially. So, I must say the achievement of Sahaja Yoga is tremendous. Also, thanks to this evolution in the acting of Yugas, also, that the all-pervading Power has started acting as I am on this earth. But you could say that "Mother, why didn't You come earlier?" That was not the time. Even today you find stupid people all around us. I mean the percentage of sensible people seems to be quite low in the western countries, though high up in others, but in the western countries very low, as far as the wisdom is concerned. So, we have these obstructions, these small things going on, doesn't matter. Sahaja Yoga will now prosper. It will flower and whatever people may say, you shouldn't worry, because once they start finding joy and happiness, once they start finding the truth, and if they are honest, they will not leave Sahaja Yoga. And many people know that they just don't want to leave Sahaja Yoga. I mean, say there is a husband and wife, and the wife is a horrible woman, supposing, or the husband is a horrible person and he obstructs the wife from coming to Sahaja Yoga, the husband will say, "All right, you go ahead, I will be with Sahaja Yoga because I have now felt the ambrosia, I have felt the beauty, the joy." Now imagine at the time of Shri Krishna, He talked to one person about the spirituality, only one person, Arjuna, which was heard by Sanjaya and which he related. It is so written by Vyasa, but He didn't tell to everyone, didn't show to anyone. He appeared in His Virata form on the battlefield but He never showed, but now you have got photographs to see, even if you can't see with your eyes. Some can see some things also, I've seen that some are feeling it. So you are developing, you are growing into it. So this is into a new realm. It was Shri Krishna Who started talking about it. Of course these nath pundits did believe in all that spirituality, but they did not talk about it, till the time, I think, of Gyaneshwara, perhaps would be. It was first the Gyaneshwara only who started talking about it. Before that it was a secret kept. Of course after Gyaneshwara we had other people talking about it, like we had Mohammed Sahib, we had Nanaka, we had so many other people like Shirdi Sai Nath and some Sufi people and they started talking on spirituality. So, we have to be historically very much thankful to Krishna because He is the One who has broken the first knot and that's why it's called as Vishnu Granthi and the Vishnu Granthi to knowledge has been first opened by Shri Krishna and He wanted that gradually it should work, gradually. So His Gita is not so clear cut, but is diplomatically written. So now we can find that the only person who first tried his hand on Gita was Gyanadeva and Gyanadeva, when he wrote on the sixth chapter, everything about Kundalini, they just said, "This is banned, you are not to read this one," because they could not deliver the goods. People knew about Kundalini, but they didn't want to read because they were told, "No, No, don't read, this is very wrong," and all that. So, spirituality is a subject absolutely unknown to the western people, though Christ was there but they have been only crucifying Him. If I see the Christianity, if I see Christ, it's so organized. From Christianity nobody can get out. Whatever sin you may commit, you are still a Christian. I know there was a fellow who murdered someone and he was taken to the courts. They said, "What are you?" And he said, "I am a Christian," though he had murdered. Then they gave him the Bible, "All right, put your hand on the Bible and say you are a Christian." He said, "I am a Christian, I believe in Bible." But why didn't they ask, "Why did you kill then?" Thou shalt not kill. So, even these religions which were formed did not have any rules or regulations that "All right, if somebody does like that we'll throw him out of our congregation or he is no more a Christian." On the contrary, you'll be surprised that when My father joined Congress in India to fight against the British, they threw him out of the congregation because according to the missionaries there, Christ was born in England. He must be an Englishman, so how dare My father join the Congress? Such an absurd idea! So, all these ideas which are so absurd, against God - against religion, against spirituality - became very prevalent and useful and convenient for these organized religions. That's one thing good about Hindu religion is there is nothing like a organization. So they can be agnostic, atheist, they can be anything. They could be Buddhist, they could be Jains. They could be anything and they could be Christians, but they could be Hindus also because it's not organized and because they are not organized, there is no restriction on them that "Don't do like this; don't do like that." But despite that I have seen, I'm surprised that Hindus are very meek people because the responsibility is left to themselves, not on an organization. If you have murdered somebody you are not to confess to the priest but confess to yourself and face yourself all the time. But so many filthy things crawled into this religion, also, of caste system which is just against Shri Krishna. They have no business to take Shri Krishna's name and do all these nonsensical things because Shri Krishna Himself has said that, "In everybody it resides." But they changed it a little, saying that, "Your caste is according to your birth." How can it be? As I told you the other day. Now this is another story I would say that they have tried to, Christ look like something very ordinary or even Shri Krishna look like something ordinary. These are the intellectuals. So, on one side, we have the stupid followers and the another side, we have those stupid intellectuals. So the message of Krishna never reached Hindus because He said, "In everybody resides the Spirit and you are part and parcel of the whole." Now a cell in the hand, is it an outcast because it is not in the brain? So what a wrong thing they have done to Shri Krishna and that's why when they suffer from racialism, I say, "You did the same to the caste, through your caste system you tortured the Harigans, you tortured the lower caste of people. So now you have them." It boomerangs, whole thing. So, Shri Krishna's life, if you see, is the beauty of it is that He said that "Life is a lila" - for Him, not for everyone, because He is so powerful. And this leela part was taken over by Americans very nicely because they were born in the land of Shri Krishna, that it's all 'lila'. "What's wrong? Do what you like, what's wrong?" Whatever you are doing is just a lila, is just a play. So what? Marry as many as you like, leave your children to dogs, do all kinds of things with your morality, destroy yourself morning till evening, behave in the same manner as if they are animals. So what? Study the animal behavior because it's as if we have no sense of behavior, so we study the animal behavior and behave like the animals. So are we going to become now snakes or some sort of worms or I don't know what they are up to, and whole system is just the opposite of Shri Krishna. So this stupid movement of Shri Krishna's consciousness reached there. I don't know how they understood that Shri Krishna is the deity of America, but somehow some bhoot must have told them that "You go there." And they are another stupid people who are selling Gita, selling this bookish knowledge, but now of course it has boomeranged on him and now they are all right. Now they are frozen. But the way they have been talking about Shri Krishna, they do not realize they have missed the point. He said, "It's a lila." So then why are you wearing these dresses, why have you become a sanyasi? Why are you giving up - not to eat this food, not to eat that food? And then they are taking drugs, they are selling drugs. Whatever is not based on truth will go to something that is destructive. Truth is the only thing that is constructive. All these ideas sometimes confuse us, what is this, in the name of God, in the name of Shri Krishna, in the name of Christ, in the name of Mohammed Sahib all these things are done and also some people do it even in My name, "Mother said; Mother said so." It is prohibited for Sahaja yogi to say that because I've had enough of it in last lives. So this life nobody is going to say, "Mother said it." "I say." Have that much confidence and responsibility to say, "I say." I am a Sahaja Yogi, you are a Sahaja Yogi, why can't you say? So, now from today's puja onward we have awakened the Shri Krishna within us. So, his powers of sweetness as well of destruction will act and you don't have to worry, you are completely protected. He has already said that, "Yoga kshemam vahamyaham." "I give you yoga" and the "kshema" means your benevolence, He looks after. So, you don't have to worry, but it will act and it will work and nobody can harm you. It will all boomerang on them. There's like divine punishment and you don't have to worry. Of course, as a Mother, I never feel of punishing anyone, as such, but they just get punished, what can I do? And now this awakening can be very dangerous, so I think we have to accept it now within ourselves that we have to be extremely sweet, nice, collective. If you are not collective then Krishna will be after your life. If you try to destroy collectivity, He will be after you, I mean He is a tremendous person, I tell you. He is so tricky. He is so clever, and He is a very smooth worker, I tell you. So, be careful. If you are collective then He'll strengthen you, He'll nourish you, He'll do everything, He'll give you butter to eat. So you have to be collective, that's the main part. And those people who just come to the program and then disappear should know that it won't work out. You have to be collective and if they don't want to be collective, we don't want to force them. But if they are not collective they are not Sahaja Yogis. And nobody should recommend them to anyone and Sahaja Yogis should have nothing to do with non-collective people nor with people who are not Sahaja Yogis. We have very beautiful children here, we have beautiful families. We have everything so beautiful, such beautiful people to love each other and enjoy each other. So we should not get entangled into the mess of other people who are blind. It would be like we have a nice organized place where everybody is sitting in the light, suddenly you want to go to the place where there are many snakes inhabited who are biting everyone. So go ahead and then you shouldn't say that "Mother, you punished me." You wanted to go into the hell of the snakes, so you go and have it. I never punish. But maybe Shri Krishna might lure you there, you see that's His style, just to have a little bite of a snake. So according to Shri Krishna, we have to be very playful. Now we are all realized people, and you are very happy and you are all very playful and joyous and also now you are so capable, you have spirituality, you can give Realization to others. Even I was told that in the streets people ask for Realization, some people went to Eastern Blocs and they got five thousand people. Somebody went down to Argentina, got so many people. So it's very good, all these, My hands are extending and the work is taking place. Everybody should take it up. Select a place and I'll go there and work it out. Select one place and work it out, all of you can do it because you have now got the powers, better work it out, use them. If you don't use the powers, you'll become blunt, so use your powers and believe that you have power and that only thing you have to keep in the bounds, in the maryadas of Sahaja Yoga, that you have to lead a very moral, good life and you must feel your vibrations properly and keep good health which you can easily do. If, as they say, I can work like this, days in, day out, you can also work. You are all very young, everybody seems to be younger than Me. I am the oldest person here. So if I could do so much, why can't you? So one thing you must ask in your prayer in the evening when you are sleeping: "What have I done for Sahaja Yoga?" One sentence, all of you, just ask this question: "What have I done for Sahaja Yoga?" Like persons like Me or Shri Krishna or anyone, We don't even feel We are doing anything. So what can We ask? If I want to ask Myself, I'll fall into an ocean I think, I don't know, I'll be lost. If I want to analyze Myself, I get lost. If I want to think about Myself, I get lost. It's beyond Me, then let it be, doesn't matter. I don't want to know Myself. But you better know yourself. You can't be Me. So as far as I am concerned I only think that as long as I live - I don't know, I may live forever, I am living forever maybe, you might say that, but whatever it is as long as I'm on this earth I will see that Sahaja Yoga is fully established. This is My promise to you. [Maharathi] He comes on this earth again to establish the religion, but not only religion but Vishwa Nirmala Dharma, which is a much higher religion than the ordinary religion of human beings. within themselves, is the Vishwa Nirmala Dharma we'll establish in a very short time, I'm sure, on this earth. So may God bless you! So today the children are sleeping now - if they can get up for a while they can come and wash My feet. How many are awake? Some are awake. You can sing some Ganesha song instead of Atharva Sheersha.(break in recording).... no provision for this kind of acceptance of these ornaments, but when he came he just tried to take everything that was in that temple. At that time the story was created, I don't know how far it is true, but a story of Indians, you see, Indian style. The story was like this: that when Mahadeva was attacked by him, He started running away from the temple. He was running, running, running, running fast and then He found Bhairava sitting there. So Bhairava and Hanumana both were sitting and They said, "You are the Devas of Devas, You are the Mahadeva of Devas and why are You running? After all, what is he, this Tamolang? Why running? He was lame with one foot and why are you running away from him? You can just finish him off; what is the need to run away?" No, he was Mohammed Gazni. Sorry, he was Mohammed Gazni who did it, but Tamolanga also attacked but then Mohammed Gazni. So this Mohammed Gazni was running after Mahadeva, and first Tamolanga has looted but he couldn't go to that far, so this Mohammed Gazni came in and he started looting that temple. So then when he started running after Mahadeva, Mahadeva told him, "You don't know, you don't know this Mohammed Gazni, who is. His name is Mohammed Gazni but he is somebody else." Said, "Who is he?" "All right, come, you hide here, I'll show you." So behind Mahadeva was running Mohammed Gazni, so they hid themselves on one side and they saw this Mohammed Gazni came and he was very tired. He sat down near one tree and he started just relaxing, and suddenly they found it was Shri Krishna. He said, "This valundar," means this, this cunning fellow, "is running after me, now do you think I may escape him? Of course I should have punished these Brahmins who were misbehaving. I did not so, he has come, but now I cannot help so I am away out of it, you see, because this one has come after My life and now you cannot save yourself." So this is the story the people, the general public, created there. So it has happened many a times because He was the brother of the Shakti of Shiva and because He's so clever, he's so intelligent that Shiva was quite afraid of Him, and overactive. So you see Americans are extremely active people and now, of course, England, we need not say. It's a little lethargic, little bit, not much. So now the awakening of Shri Krishna is going to work everywhere, and you are all going to be extremely active about Sahaja Yoga, I think so. This is a new thing that has happened, and I'm very happy it has happened and that the Americans also agreed to come here. By this we take a little bit of the qualities of Shiva to America, that is of magnanimity and also of laziness a little bit, and give some qualities of Shri Krishna to this country. This exchanges it. Shri Krishna Puja 1990: Shri Mataji speaks about the music to be played by the musicians. Below is a transcription of the relevant details. Now the last raga is Bhairavi has to be played under all traditional ways and is a raga that is in praise of the power of the Spirit, because it has such beautiful notes and notes which are ... it's a complete sampurna, is a complete raga. All the twelve notes are in it. So you see it is such a complete raga and it has to be played in all due respect to it. It's a ragini, regarded as. Now as you know that the Heart Chakra has got twelve petals, and the Durga resides on the Heart Chakra. Now the Durga's qualities are that She is protective of Her children, She's very gentle, very soft with Her children, and She's extremely horrifying to the satanic people, to the negative people. So in this raga I think because there are, the notes are spaced out. So either you could play it slow or you could play it fast. Nothing in between. That's why it is on a Durga's style. You see, either She is extremely gentle or She is extremely horrifying. So because She has a double function: is one to look after Her children, and another is protect Her children from the devils. So She has to be very quick about it, to fight them, and to, in every way to frighten them and to be alert about it. So in the second part you all became very alerted I saw. In the first part you were having a lullaby because it was the Mother's love that was playing. The second part you became alert, because She has to fight. Now, this is such a nice raga because it gives you a better sense of security within yourself, builds up sense of security, and also as you know medically that it's important to build up this chakra because that gives you antibodies created. So to fight all the diseases, to fight all the foreign things which try to attack us. So this raga is so apt, absolutely apt for today's atmosphere and for today's need. That we have to have the security of the Mother and the protection of the Mother and that all the evil forces must be finished from this world, and that's how this raga has a very great significance and I thank him very much for playing this raga. This is, now the last five minutes he would like to play is the Bhairavi which is a complete raga as you can call it, is the complete purnima. All the notes are there. And it is played in various ways and various styles and is used for so many expressions of your feelings and thing. But in this also there's a beautiful song as you know, the Anhi Bhavani, is the one which is a song about the Mother Goddess. And in this Anhi Bhavani, I think there is a little mixture in the ... I don't know if it is absolutely pure Bhairavi or not. Shri Mataji asks musicians: It is to be played absolutely in Shuddha Bhairavi? (Shri Mataji and musicians discuss together a little then She asserts ... ) It should be played in pure Bhairavi - this is the best way. Because Bhairavi is the name of the Goddess. You see the purity of it creates that feeling and that, I mean, it awakens that deity so that you get that effect with the Bhairavi. (Shri Mataji and musicians talk together then She continues ... ) Indian music has such a lot of freedom, such a lot of freedom. You can do what you like with it. But only thing is you have to keep to the ragas and you have to keep to the Swaras and everything. You cannot just go crazy from one to another like that. So it is like a big aeroplane which is going in the air with everything completely fixed properly. You see, so it can go anywhere. Unless and until it's fixed, has it's own maryadas it cannot go. So that has to be there. So first the ragas are built, and built in such a way they are absolutely perfect and then you can go wherever you feel like. Nothing will happen. (More discussion with musicians.) (Raga begins. Shri Mataji continues ...) First, he will play all the twelve notes which are built in Bhairavi and then you will see how he keeps to that. He keeps to that Wow, wow! It's the Heart Chakra. It's the Heart Chakra of Shiva. (Musicians continue to play.) The surrendering, you see. Islam is surrender. Islam is the surrender. (Musicians continue to play.) Musician: In India it used to be different about thirty or forty years ago, this is the kind of music we used to have, when people would sit like you are, here, so nice, so beautiful, a family. Shri Mataji: Absolutely a family rapport. Musician: Absolutely Musician: You bring out that from us. Shri Mataji: You see what he's saying is this. You know I am such an old woman of sixty-seven years and I think of My childhood and also of My family. My father was a great, great connoisseur of music and he supported music, and musicians left and right, and we heard all the musicians because they would come to our house, stay with us and he would go all out to spend for them, pay for them; I mean, do all kinds of things. So in the family the music came in and then My sister took to music and everybody in family took to music quite a lot because of My father because he was fond of cricket and also of music very much. But the best part of it, what I am feeling, all the family would sit down and then My sister would sing or anybody, you see the rapport. Then he would give the, what you call, the impetus, he would give us the feelings of: "Now, this is it now coming up." There's such a rapport in the whole thing between the musician and all, and with such relaxation everybody appreciating it and just like waves after waves of a big ocean coming over and that sort of a thing it was. And then only you can enjoy music. But if you are worried about time, this, that... we give up all that to listen to music. And even if you carry all that load with you, what's the use of listening to music? You have to come to music with all these things left out and then you really enjoy the whole thing. And that is what today I feel that our whole family of Sahaja Yogis are enjoying this rapport with him and enjoying the whole beauty of the whole music, it's something so great. But see the surrendering, you just develop the feeling what you get out of it, you see like.... (Music continues.)

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Talk to Sahaja Yogis

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Sir CP Presentation and Shri Mataji short talk Hallowtree Scout Campsite, Ipswich,England,1990 [Starts at 12:12] Shri Mataji: I must say mister Srivastava's speech was so embarrassing that I got frozen into the chair. [Big laughter] I don't know what is the program now is, but I would like to know how many are going back this evening to the airport? Hardly very few. Of course, you see, what I was thinking that you all could have your lunch and then we could come for the puja. The puja is going to last for about three hours, at least two and a half hours, so you'll be free at about five o'clock if you don't mind. [Laughter. Applause] So I have not consulted doctor Spiro but I'd better ask him. [Laughter] It's one thirty already, you see, thanks to the sahaj method of the nature, the rain starts a long time. Alright, doesn't matter, now it has stopped and everything is fine but still, I would say, let them have their lunch and then we can have the puja later on. There are hardly three, four people who are going this evening. So, it's nice we can spend more time together. [Laughter. Applause] There's a – one thing is that we are beyond time, "kalatit": we are beyond time and we adjust everything according to our own rhythm, we are not bothered about this Swiss watch. I hope it's Swiss. [Laughter] Mine always is out of order, so it's alright. [Laughter] So let us be in a very relaxed mood and we'll be [?]- because what Krishna has said, we have to prove it in our lives also we have to be relaxed and I 'm sure it will work out better if we are absolutely in a relaxed way. And so I think you all have your food now and then we can come back at- so what time we start puja? Three o'clock? We can start at three. And there are certain things which are missing also. Some artists are busy creating something new for you so let them have a full time. So a puja can last for three days or can last for one hour is alright, just the same. [Ends at 15:37]

Sir CP Presentation and Shri Mataji short talk Hallowtree Scout Campsite, Ipswich,England,1990 [Starts at 12:12] Shri Mataji: I must say mister Srivastava's speech was so embarrassing that I got frozen into the chair. [Big laughter] I don't know what is the program now is, but I would like to know how many are going back this evening to the airport? Hardly very few. Of course, you see, what I was thinking that you all could have your lunch and then we could come for the puja. The puja is going to last for about three hours, at least two and a half hours, so you'll be free at about five o'clock if you don't mind. [Laughter. Applause] So I have not consulted doctor Spiro but I'd better ask him. [Laughter] It's one thirty already, you see, thanks to the sahaj method of the nature, the rain starts a long time. Alright, doesn't matter, now it has stopped and everything is fine but still, I would say, let them have their lunch and then we can have the puja later on. There are hardly three, four people who are going this evening. So, it's nice we can spend more time together. [Laughter. Applause] There's a – one thing is that we are beyond time, "kalatit": we are beyond time and we adjust everything according to our own rhythm, we are not bothered about this Swiss watch. I hope it's Swiss. [Laughter] Mine always is out of order, so it's alright. [Laughter] So let us be in a very relaxed mood and we'll be [?]- because what Krishna has said, we have to prove it in our lives also we have to be relaxed and I 'm sure it will work out better if we are absolutely in a relaxed way. And so I think you all have your food now and then we can come back at- so what time we start puja? Three o'clock? We can start at three. And there are certain things which are missing also. Some artists are busy creating something new for you so let them have a full time. So a puja can last for three days or can last for one hour is alright, just the same. [Ends at 15:37]

8/21/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=12085

Letter to Mr. Mikhaïl Gorbatchov

Country Unknown

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Letter / Poem

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Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (from 1988 to 1990) and President of the Soviet Union (from 1990 to 1991). My humble plans for a future global system:These are certain ideas I have for individual and social transformation after Sahaja Yoga has established awareness of ‘collective consciousness’. (This is the state one achieves as a result of his internal transformation through Self-Realisation. He also feels the All-pervading Power of Love that does all living work. As a result one sees the world as one nation, one sees one truth about human beings and their different ideologies. One develops a truly global perspective.I believe that you are very much a person who can have this perspective and that you can plan for our common future. The state of ‘collective consciousness’ that I refer to will give us the sustaining strength and wisdom that we need in pursuit of Global Government. Through this state of consciousness we can easily develop:1) A political system that will easily secure effective participation in decision-making, not according to selfish Interest, but in accordance with the laws of Truth.2) A balanced economic system catering for the essential requirements of human Consumption based on the barter system. A truly global system would provide the machinery for evaluating the right ratio of distribution according to supply and demand, but even more importantly, on a truly humanitarian basis.3) A social system based on righteous and noble values can be developed without any problems or disharmony, because with collective consciousness each individual can feel contented only if the whole collective is contented.4) The manufacture of machine-made goods should be balanced with hand-made products, with full consideration given to Mother Earth and ecological problems. If more artistic goods are produced, the consumption of matter will be less, because people will want to preserve such things.5) Technological systems can be worked out by truly benevolent scientists to provide for the essential as well as the highest human needs according to the law of benevolence, instead of enhancing so-called progress which is fuelled by the human weaknesses of lust and greed.6) A global system can be set up to preserve all those cultures that are benevolent in nature and to foster mutual respect and co-operation between all kinds of races and cultures.7) A global educational system can be made simpler for children and concentrate more on making them compassionate and dynamic, proficient in their own language, as well as one or two international languages.8) An administrative system can be developed that is run by mature, saintly people, who are flexible and have a capacity for self-correction.These idealistic ideas may sound fantastic and impracticable but with the dimensions that we touch in our awareness of collective consciousness, I have found from my personal experience that, they are in fact very easy to execute. In Sahaja Yoga we have thousands of Yogis from at least forty five nations and I have found out that these ideas are working very smoothly amongst them on a very down-to-earth level. Thus the ideals have become concrete truths in the light of glorious reality. The door of Sahaja Yoga is open to everyone and every human being can achieve collective consciousness. The only problem is, that the freedom of choice of the individual has to be respected because he has ultimately to enter the area of total freedom. Thus there may be many who may not sincerely seek their salvation. But if later on they see the multitude of Realised Souls enjoying the bliss or collective consciousness, they may also desire to get into their higher evolutionary process. This is how all evolutionary processes have worked in nature. The guiding and controlling force that acts is the Spirit. This is the collective being within us which manifests in our attention and makes us collectively conscious. We can then feel our subtle centres and those of others – on our finger tips. Once we learn how to correct them, we can easily overcome all our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual problems. In this way we are creating a new angelic society which ultimately solves all man-made collective problems: Immorality and poverty, violence and corruption, destructive personal habits of human beings like alcoholism and drug abuse, problems of ecology, of economic exploitation and aggression, narrow nationalism, religious fundamentalism and the scourge of war. These are the cancers of modern times, because so-called human freedom has allowed man to blindly jump into a greater darkness of ignorance.My humble suggestions for immediate measures: –Privatisation of the production of consumer goods in bigger factories by making the workers shareholders. In smaller factories give full freedom to the workers to open new factories. For very big industries that are not producing consumer goods, foreign collaboration should be secured with regard to technology, management and capital investment.There should be an announcement of global policy, with the government concentrating on improving the infrastructure: transport, communications, energy, water, special courts for industrial arbitration and conciliation.” H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (from 1988 to 1990) and President of the Soviet Union (from 1990 to 1991). My humble plans for a future global system:These are certain ideas I have for individual and social transformation after Sahaja Yoga has established awareness of ‘collective consciousness’. (This is the state one achieves as a result of his internal transformation through Self-Realisation. He also feels the All-pervading Power of Love that does all living work. As a result one sees the world as one nation, one sees one truth about human beings and their different ideologies. One develops a truly global perspective.I believe that you are very much a person who can have this perspective and that you can plan for our common future. The state of ‘collective consciousness’ that I refer to will give us the sustaining strength and wisdom that we need in pursuit of Global Government. Through this state of consciousness we can easily develop:1) A political system that will easily secure effective participation in decision-making, not according to selfish Interest, but in accordance with the laws of Truth.2) A balanced economic system catering for the essential requirements of human Consumption based on the barter system. A truly global system would provide the machinery for evaluating the right ratio of distribution according to supply and demand, but even more importantly, on a truly humanitarian basis.3) A social system based on righteous and noble values can be developed without any problems or disharmony, because with collective consciousness each individual can feel contented only if the whole collective is contented.4) The manufacture of machine-made goods should be balanced with hand-made products, with full consideration given to Mother Earth and ecological problems. If more artistic goods are produced, the consumption of matter will be less, because people will want to preserve such things.5) Technological systems can be worked out by truly benevolent scientists to provide for the essential as well as the highest human needs according to the law of benevolence, instead of enhancing so-called progress which is fuelled by the human weaknesses of lust and greed.6) A global system can be set up to preserve all those cultures that are benevolent in nature and to foster mutual respect and co-operation between all kinds of races and cultures.7) A global educational system can be made simpler for children and concentrate more on making them compassionate and dynamic, proficient in their own language, as well as one or two international languages.8) An administrative system can be developed that is run by mature, saintly people, who are flexible and have a capacity for self-correction.These idealistic ideas may sound fantastic and impracticable but with the dimensions that we touch in our awareness of collective consciousness, I have found from my personal experience that, they are in fact very easy to execute. In Sahaja Yoga we have thousands of Yogis from at least forty five nations and I have found out that these ideas are working very smoothly amongst them on a very down-to-earth level. Thus the ideals have become concrete truths in the light of glorious reality. The door of Sahaja Yoga is open to everyone and every human being can achieve collective consciousness. The only problem is, that the freedom of choice of the individual has to be respected because he has ultimately to enter the area of total freedom. Thus there may be many who may not sincerely seek their salvation. But if later on they see the multitude of Realised Souls enjoying the bliss or collective consciousness, they may also desire to get into their higher evolutionary process. This is how all evolutionary processes have worked in nature. The guiding and controlling force that acts is the Spirit. This is the collective being within us which manifests in our attention and makes us collectively conscious. We can then feel our subtle centres and those of others – on our finger tips. Once we learn how to correct them, we can easily overcome all our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual problems. In this way we are creating a new angelic society which ultimately solves all man-made collective problems: Immorality and poverty, violence and corruption, destructive personal habits of human beings like alcoholism and drug abuse, problems of ecology, of economic exploitation and aggression, narrow nationalism, religious fundamentalism and the scourge of war. These are the cancers of modern times, because so-called human freedom has allowed man to blindly jump into a greater darkness of ignorance.My humble suggestions for immediate measures: –Privatisation of the production of consumer goods in bigger factories by making the workers shareholders. In smaller factories give full freedom to the workers to open new factories. For very big industries that are not producing consumer goods, foreign collaboration should be secured with regard to technology, management and capital investment.There should be an announcement of global policy, with the government concentrating on improving the infrastructure: transport, communications, energy, water, special courts for industrial arbitration and conciliation.” H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

8/26/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=1803

Shri Ganesha Puja: The Glow of Shri Ganesha

Austria

Lanersbach

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Ganesha

English

Shri Ganesha Puja, Lanersbach (Austria), 26 August 1990 Today we are celebrating the birthday of Shri Ganesha. You all know the story of His birth and I need not repeat it. But, as He was created by the Mother only, by Adi Shakti, in the same way you are all created after Him. So, you are on the path of Shri Ganesha already. Your eyes sparkle the same way His eyes sparkle. You all have the beautiful glow on your face as He had. Whether you are small, big, or old makes no difference. All the beauty comes to us through the glow of Shri Ganesha. If He’s satisfied, then we don’t have to worry about any other deities, because the power of all the deities is Shri Ganesha. He’s like a vice-chancellor sitting on every chakra. Unless and until He signs, Kundalini cannot cross through, because Kundalini’s the Gauri and is the Virgin Mother of Shri Ganesh. Now we have to understand that we are here in the Western society where so much has gone wrong because we never bothered to look after Shri Ganesha. Christ came and His message spread all over the world. He talked of things which are not practised by Christians, not at all. Because whatever they started is not based on truth. The truth is that Shri Ganesha took birth as Christ. If that is the truth, then they have to understand in the light of Shri Ganesha this great incarnation of Christ. That is, He has told people that, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Actually, for a saint, He doesn’t know what are adulterous eyes, because He just sees. He just sees. As Shri Gyaneshwara has beautifully said, “Niranjanapani”: to see without any reaction, just to see. That is the quality of innocence, which was brought to light by Christ, our Lord. But we did not imbibe any one of these qualities. Now supposing you are worshipping today Shri Ganesh. So why are you worshipping Shri Ganesha? You are worshipping because your Ganesha must be awakened—that you should have the qualities of Shri Ganesha within you, that you should feel that innocence in your eyes. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite. If you are sitting here and worshipping Shri Ganesha and you are not trying to put your attention to your ascent as Shri Ganesh, then it is useless. And then He is an eternal child. He doesn’t have ego, He doesn’t have any conditionings. So He’s an eternal child. We have to become eternal children of our Mother. To get to that state, what do we have to do is simple: that to raise our Kundalini, fix it up, to do meditation, and keep our attention inside more, and not to react. Now, to say not to react means just to watch. And when you watch without thinking about it, then the truth, which is really poetry, comes out. That’s why a poet sees much more than an ordinary person can see. The inner’s beauty just starts penetrating your vision and you start seeing it. So, you have seen children, whatever may be their origin, from whatever country they might be coming – whether it is Japan or whether it is England, India, Australia, anywhere – see the children are normally very beautiful. Once I went to Japan and there was a shrine they wanted Me to see. So I saw some ladies coming down – three, four ladies. They’re Western ladies.They said, “Don’t go. Don’t go. There are some children – horrible.”I said, “Why?”“They call you ‘witch!’ They called us all, ‘witches, witches, witches!’” – the Japanese children. I said, “How do you know? They must be saying in Japanese.”“No, we asked the meaning, so they told us it means ‘witches.’ We look like witches to them. So better not go!”I said, “It’s all right. Let Me go.”And when I went up, they all came running, clung to Me, kissed Me, this thing. They wouldn’t allow Me to go to the shrine. And then they walked all the way to the shrine, they came back. I didn’t know their language or anything. So sweet: kissing My sari, kissing My hand, so sweet they were. And I was surprised, that how is it they call the other ladies as witches, and to Us, to Me, and My daughters were also with us. And My daughters are very fond of children. So then they said, “You see, why to go to the shrine? We’ll play with the children.” I said, “No, let’s go to the shrine, after all.” So when we went up, these children also came with us and walked down. And their mothers were so surprised, you see, they said normally to all the foreigners, to all the foreigners they say “witches” or even to men they say they are devils: “Devils are coming!” Because Japanese are short people, you see, and the sizes of our Western people are quite big and perhaps maybe that is the reason, whatever it is – or maybe something else, I don’t know. And they wouldn’t, I mean, even talk to them. They all ran away, calling them “witches, witches” from the windows and from every corner. Then I realized, you see, these small little children, their Ganesha is awakened in them. Everybody’s Ganesha is awakened when you are born. All the animals have their Ganesha intact with them, especially the birds. We never think how birds, all the way from Siberia, go to Australia. What direction comes to them, from where. They have got a magnet within themselves. That is Shri Ganesh. The magnet is Shri Ganesha. So this magnet, which is within us, can attract innocent people and repel cunning, horrible, as they call witches and devils and all those. So this magnet has both the qualities: that it repels those who are not all right and it attracts those who are innocent. And that is why in Sahaja Yoga we find that we cannot tolerate some people somehow or other: “We try, we try, we try. You see Mother, some are a bit difficult, you know.” They don’t know what is the reason. The reason is Ganesha.Now, in the Western society, as you know, not that they’ve not paid any attention to their Ganesha quality, but they have talked too much about the perversion of Shri Ganesha. They talk on the television, they talk here, there, in every way. The children see it and so many small little children are suffering from Shri Ganesh problem, very small children. How do they get into these problems is because the atmosphere is full of it. Now, in Sahaja Yoga also we have some people who just stick on hypocritically and they have Ganesha problem. And there are some who support. This fellow can say, “Oh, I was such a sick man, I have no wife,” or “I’ve had no love from my parents,” or anything, and others start supporting. This kind of sympathy is very dangerous, is extremely dangerous. First of all, this sympathy ruins that person, who cannot get over his problems, and gradually you also pick up these problems. Instead of helping him—that: “You do the meditation of Ganesha, you just sit on the Mother Earth, say Atharvasheersha, use the candle, your problem will go away”—instead of that, they start sympathizing. This is not sympathy. It’s sym-pathy. “Sym” means “to share”; “pathy” means “pathos.” So you share all the problems of that person yourself. So never support a wrong thing. If you really love that person, you care for that person, you have to tell that person: “This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong.” Moreover, in Sahaja Yoga, I’ve seen people of seventy years also want to get married. I can’t understand, you know. After all, loneliness is not possible in Sahaja Yoga, you have so many Sahaja Yogis. Where is the loneliness? I never feel lonely. I would love to be sometimes. If you are not with Me, My family is with Me. I’m never alone, and I’m never alone when I’m alone, really. I enjoy Myself best when I’m alone because I have time to reflect back as to what we have achieved, as to how these moments were beautiful moments of meeting you all, all those beautiful places I visited with you, all the enjoyments. So all such people who are explaining their problems of Mooladhara have to know one thing: that this is a sure certificate for them to go to hell. Absolutely. Because either from the Mooladhara, you know, all kinds of diseases come in which are incurable, according to the doctor. Say, you take multiple sclerosis. From multiple sclerosis through all the disabilities of the muscles, even cancers could be started by Mooladhara problem. Why is it [there is] so much cancer in the Western countries than in any other countries? Everybody has an explanation. Somebody said there are not so many doctors of cancer, that’s why there are. It’s not so. Now, you see the disease of schizophrenia also can come from Mooladhara problem. Of course, you know AIDS is nothing but Mooladhara problem. But still, if you want to make a martyrdom out of that, that: “We are AIDS soldiers walking to our death,” then what can you do to such stupid people? And stupidity comes also from Mooladhara, because He is the giver of wisdom. How do you get the wisdom? Only by awakening your Shri Ganesh. He is the giver of wisdom. Now, all kinds of people do stupidities, unbelievable. Unbelievable. Like in India recently I asked them for bigger bangles, for the ladies have bigger hands here, and they came back to say that these days all big bangles are going to America. I said, “Why?” Because the men have decided to wear bangles in America. Now in India, if you give one bangle to any man, means an insult to him, that “you are not a man.” All such stupidities, hundred and one, I tell you, you see all over the world now because you have come out of it. All kinds of things come because their Mooladhara is not all right. In India now, for example, we all wear saris. Nobody knows. I mean, logically also we should wear saris because saris are made by villagers and they earn out of it and that’s how we support . . . this thing. Culturally, we like it also because it suggests we are shy women, we don’t want to expose our body too much. And thirdly, it’s very good for the mothers, that mothers can nurse the children and look after them.So, it has various aspects, but nobody thinks [about] the logic of it. They think it’s very practical and it has been there for traditions. Now, supposing you say, “All right, come along, give up your saris and wear something else,” they’ll say, “Now, tell us another! No, no. Nothing doing.” Nobody would accept it. Nobody would accept it, because they think that saris are more gracious, they make you look like a woman; there’s so much beautiful dress and it does give chance for the artist to express themselves. But this . . . only some intellectuals might be thinking. But normally in the villages, if you tell them that you change over, they say no. So nothing like a fashion can work out. Nothing like a fashion can work out because traditionally now they have reached a certain stage of wisdom: “Now, this is the best suited for us.” So they won’t accept any nonsense. Ha, if it is something sensible – which is never so, I would say, from the West – they may. But because the Western people have lost their wisdom, there is nothing sensible that comes to India, nothing. And whatever sensible [thing] they have, that is also going out. Yesterday you heard such a beautiful waltz. I mean, who plays these days a waltz? Thousands will gather at some sort of a noisy pop, hard music, which can penetrate into your ears and can make you deaf. There’s no wisdom in all these things. They want all the time some sort of a sensation. I was told people come here for skiing. Now some, I saw people jumping with a parachute. Ask an Indian, he’ll say: “You better do it. I’m not here to break my legs.” That he understands the wisdom that, “My body is more important than anything else. What is this sensation for?” The skiing, so many people have seen, they’ve lost their kidneys. They have lost their legs. They’ll have artificial legs for skiing. This sensation comes as a great attraction for people who have no wisdom. It doesn’t appeal to the wisdom. So, the people who are wise don’t take to stupid things. Though Shri Ganesha is the child, but He is the giver of wisdom. So we can say our children are the givers of wisdom if we keep them on the line of wisdom. You listen to them, how they talk, how wisely they talk. Sometimes they have a conference with Me and they tell Me all about you people, what you are up to, and they take Me into confidence completely and say that, “Don’t tell uncle or auntie, but we’ll tell you this.” And small, small things they say, that, “Auntie was wearing the sari You gave her and then, you know, she put it on the ground!” All little, little things they know; so sweet they are. See yesterday how they came rushing and kissed Me, so sweet. Without them the world would have been like a desert without any flowers, you know.So, Shri Ganesha has created you. Because of Him, you were born. He’s the one who looked after you when you were in the womb of the mother. He’s the one who saw to it that you are born at the right time. He’s the one who has looked after your nourishment, everything. He’s the one who has looked after your development of the foetus, of the brain and everything. All is done that by this great personality, Shri Ganesh. How much we owe to Him! Apart from that, He gives us the basic wisdom.I mean, a villager, supposing you talk to a villager who is not exposed to all these nonsensical sensations, you’ll find him extremely practical and wise. There’s a story that one villager was travelling by train with other boys who were very flamboyant and thinking that they were very smart. So, they were trying to tease the man. So, a boy asked a question to him: “Now, if the butter is selling for one pound, for a quarter of a pound, what will be the price of the egg in the next station?” He looked at him. He said, “All right, you tell me what. Then, you cannot tell the price of the egg, then can you tell me the price, can you tell me my age?”He looked at him. He said, “You must be twenty-two.”He said, “How do you know?”He said, “I have a brother who is eleven years and he is half mad, but you are full mad.” So, an ordinary villager answered this smart fellow and the smart fellow didn’t know where to go. So, all this smartness and cleverness finishes off when it comes to innocence. Now, many people have a feeling also that we have lost our innocence. That is something, an eternal quality you have got. You never lose your innocence. Maybe, as clouds can cover the whole sky, maybe your ego and conditionings and your mistakes might have covered it, but it is always there, always there. Only thing [is], it is for you to respect it, to behave in a manner that you respect your innocence. Not to feel shy about your innocence, never. Your innocence itself is a power and your innocence will definitely give you that wisdom by which you can solve all the problems without any difficulty. But in a deeper way, if you see who is Shri Ganesha, He is the child of Adi Shakti. She created Him from the Omkara. Now, Omkara is the Logos, as you call it, is the first sound when Sadashiva and Adi Shakti separated, for creation. That sound is used as Omkara, which are vibrations, which have light in it. They have all the causals of all the elements, only on the right side. Then the left side, it has the power of your emotions. In the centre, it has the power of your ascent. So it’s a very powerful Deity we have. And He’s playful. Children are seldom cruel. He’s not cruel, but if anything is done against the Mother, then He goes all wild. Then He punishes, and that is how the divine justice is brought to people. Thus, if we surrender to Shri Ganesh, He protects us, He gives us wisdom, He gives a proper understanding [of] the protocol of the Mother. He does not know any other deity but His Mother. He doesn’t bother about any other deity but His Mother, and He knows that She’s the most powerful Deity. And this is His wisdom, which must be imbibed. When you pray, you must try to imbibe that. For many people are still, in the West, anxious to copy other people, fall back into the wrong ideas, which have really kept them away from the truth. Thank God you all have come out of it. And when you see the hell into which the Western society has fallen, you try to understand and enjoy that you are at a different state altogether. But still among you there will be some who will be dangling. Try to pull them out, not to throw them inside and go also with them. If you sympathize with them, you’ll go down with them. Try to pull them out and tell them that, “You have to come out.” It may be a little painful to them; doesn’t matter, but they’ll be saved. So you are here as saviours and you have the power of Shri Ganesha, which is to be used. So today’s puja is specially to be done with a prayer in your heart, that: “Shri Ganesha, please be kind and merciful and forgiving that You manifest within ourselves. Let all these hypocritical things, all these conditionings and all these wrong ideas we have or all the wrong life we have had, should just disappear like thin air, and let the beautiful moonlight of your soothing qualities of innocence be manifested through us.” Let us manifest these qualities. This is what is to be asked. Today is a great day. I’m very happy we are in Austria, which I call is the country of divine weapons. It’s a very wonderful country; as I told you before that there is no fundamentalism here. It’s very surprising, but I have discovered that in Austria there have been people from all over the world and they have been married here. It’s a small country, so they all kept together. It’s a very nice place, especially this place where we are. I heard that it’s called as the holy land of Tyrol. And we also saw lots of grace falling down with our eyes. Everybody could see them, the grace coming down. There was no rain, but you could see the grace. Moreover, yesterday, the villagers remarked that this river overflows. The whole glacier comes down and this river overflows, but it did not. It kept to its maryadas. They are quite surprised how it has happened, that it kept to its maryadas. This is one thing. And the second thing is they said that they have never heard such great, absolutely volcanic, roaring of the clouds. They’ve never heard such reports before, and it was really remarkable: it rained so heavily, everything happened, and we are all right. Only in the central path of Sushumna it cleared out. Maybe because I had to walk through that, so it cleared out that part. But on the whole, all our programs went off very well and we all enjoyed the last night’s program, and the musician also lost all count of time—he played for four hours on his own. I thought he’d just play one raga. He went on and he wanted to play more, but then, thank God, he thought of the puja perhaps and he stopped it. So, let us try to be innocent within ourself. Be proud that we are innocent. We need not be smart people. Smartness is your mental attitude and innocence is your innate quality, which is connected with this all-pervading Power. So, may God bless you all. At least during the puja there should not be any movements outside or nearby. If the children are sitting, well and good, otherwise you can go out. But you shouldn’t disturb others because their attention goes to you. So, all those who are having any movements, all of you also should come and sit with your children. Why can’t your children sit down? They will sit; bring them in. Or if they are not sitting, you go behind the curtain. Because they get disturbed, you see, there are Sahaja Yogis still who get disturbed very easily with the slightest movement here and there. So, the first thing is to open your heart for Shri Ganesha. As you see a child, how your heart opens. In the same way, please open your hearts. All right. See, one thing is that He has got a hunter [whip] in His hand and, if you remember, Christ used a hunter to hit all the people who were selling goods near the temple. He could have used any other weapon, but He used a hunter.

Shri Ganesha Puja, Lanersbach (Austria), 26 August 1990 Today we are celebrating the birthday of Shri Ganesha. You all know the story of His birth and I need not repeat it. But, as He was created by the Mother only, by Adi Shakti, in the same way you are all created after Him. So, you are on the path of Shri Ganesha already. Your eyes sparkle the same way His eyes sparkle. You all have the beautiful glow on your face as He had. Whether you are small, big, or old makes no difference. All the beauty comes to us through the glow of Shri Ganesha. If He’s satisfied, then we don’t have to worry about any other deities, because the power of all the deities is Shri Ganesha. He’s like a vice-chancellor sitting on every chakra. Unless and until He signs, Kundalini cannot cross through, because Kundalini’s the Gauri and is the Virgin Mother of Shri Ganesh. Now we have to understand that we are here in the Western society where so much has gone wrong because we never bothered to look after Shri Ganesha. Christ came and His message spread all over the world. He talked of things which are not practised by Christians, not at all. Because whatever they started is not based on truth. The truth is that Shri Ganesha took birth as Christ. If that is the truth, then they have to understand in the light of Shri Ganesha this great incarnation of Christ. That is, He has told people that, “Thou shalt not have adulterous eyes.” Actually, for a saint, He doesn’t know what are adulterous eyes, because He just sees. He just sees. As Shri Gyaneshwara has beautifully said, “Niranjanapani”: to see without any reaction, just to see. That is the quality of innocence, which was brought to light by Christ, our Lord. But we did not imbibe any one of these qualities. Now supposing you are worshipping today Shri Ganesh. So why are you worshipping Shri Ganesha? You are worshipping because your Ganesha must be awakened—that you should have the qualities of Shri Ganesha within you, that you should feel that innocence in your eyes. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite. If you are sitting here and worshipping Shri Ganesha and you are not trying to put your attention to your ascent as Shri Ganesh, then it is useless. And then He is an eternal child. He doesn’t have ego, He doesn’t have any conditionings. So He’s an eternal child. We have to become eternal children of our Mother. To get to that state, what do we have to do is simple: that to raise our Kundalini, fix it up, to do meditation, and keep our attention inside more, and not to react. Now, to say not to react means just to watch. And when you watch without thinking about it, then the truth, which is really poetry, comes out. That’s why a poet sees much more than an ordinary person can see. The inner’s beauty just starts penetrating your vision and you start seeing it. So, you have seen children, whatever may be their origin, from whatever country they might be coming – whether it is Japan or whether it is England, India, Australia, anywhere – see the children are normally very beautiful. Once I went to Japan and there was a shrine they wanted Me to see. So I saw some ladies coming down – three, four ladies. They’re Western ladies.They said, “Don’t go. Don’t go. There are some children – horrible.”I said, “Why?”“They call you ‘witch!’ They called us all, ‘witches, witches, witches!’” – the Japanese children. I said, “How do you know? They must be saying in Japanese.”“No, we asked the meaning, so they told us it means ‘witches.’ We look like witches to them. So better not go!”I said, “It’s all right. Let Me go.”And when I went up, they all came running, clung to Me, kissed Me, this thing. They wouldn’t allow Me to go to the shrine. And then they walked all the way to the shrine, they came back. I didn’t know their language or anything. So sweet: kissing My sari, kissing My hand, so sweet they were. And I was surprised, that how is it they call the other ladies as witches, and to Us, to Me, and My daughters were also with us. And My daughters are very fond of children. So then they said, “You see, why to go to the shrine? We’ll play with the children.” I said, “No, let’s go to the shrine, after all.” So when we went up, these children also came with us and walked down. And their mothers were so surprised, you see, they said normally to all the foreigners, to all the foreigners they say “witches” or even to men they say they are devils: “Devils are coming!” Because Japanese are short people, you see, and the sizes of our Western people are quite big and perhaps maybe that is the reason, whatever it is – or maybe something else, I don’t know. And they wouldn’t, I mean, even talk to them. They all ran away, calling them “witches, witches” from the windows and from every corner. Then I realized, you see, these small little children, their Ganesha is awakened in them. Everybody’s Ganesha is awakened when you are born. All the animals have their Ganesha intact with them, especially the birds. We never think how birds, all the way from Siberia, go to Australia. What direction comes to them, from where. They have got a magnet within themselves. That is Shri Ganesh. The magnet is Shri Ganesha. So this magnet, which is within us, can attract innocent people and repel cunning, horrible, as they call witches and devils and all those. So this magnet has both the qualities: that it repels those who are not all right and it attracts those who are innocent. And that is why in Sahaja Yoga we find that we cannot tolerate some people somehow or other: “We try, we try, we try. You see Mother, some are a bit difficult, you know.” They don’t know what is the reason. The reason is Ganesha.Now, in the Western society, as you know, not that they’ve not paid any attention to their Ganesha quality, but they have talked too much about the perversion of Shri Ganesha. They talk on the television, they talk here, there, in every way. The children see it and so many small little children are suffering from Shri Ganesh problem, very small children. How do they get into these problems is because the atmosphere is full of it. Now, in Sahaja Yoga also we have some people who just stick on hypocritically and they have Ganesha problem. And there are some who support. This fellow can say, “Oh, I was such a sick man, I have no wife,” or “I’ve had no love from my parents,” or anything, and others start supporting. This kind of sympathy is very dangerous, is extremely dangerous. First of all, this sympathy ruins that person, who cannot get over his problems, and gradually you also pick up these problems. Instead of helping him—that: “You do the meditation of Ganesha, you just sit on the Mother Earth, say Atharvasheersha, use the candle, your problem will go away”—instead of that, they start sympathizing. This is not sympathy. It’s sym-pathy. “Sym” means “to share”; “pathy” means “pathos.” So you share all the problems of that person yourself. So never support a wrong thing. If you really love that person, you care for that person, you have to tell that person: “This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong.” Moreover, in Sahaja Yoga, I’ve seen people of seventy years also want to get married. I can’t understand, you know. After all, loneliness is not possible in Sahaja Yoga, you have so many Sahaja Yogis. Where is the loneliness? I never feel lonely. I would love to be sometimes. If you are not with Me, My family is with Me. I’m never alone, and I’m never alone when I’m alone, really. I enjoy Myself best when I’m alone because I have time to reflect back as to what we have achieved, as to how these moments were beautiful moments of meeting you all, all those beautiful places I visited with you, all the enjoyments. So all such people who are explaining their problems of Mooladhara have to know one thing: that this is a sure certificate for them to go to hell. Absolutely. Because either from the Mooladhara, you know, all kinds of diseases come in which are incurable, according to the doctor. Say, you take multiple sclerosis. From multiple sclerosis through all the disabilities of the muscles, even cancers could be started by Mooladhara problem. Why is it [there is] so much cancer in the Western countries than in any other countries? Everybody has an explanation. Somebody said there are not so many doctors of cancer, that’s why there are. It’s not so. Now, you see the disease of schizophrenia also can come from Mooladhara problem. Of course, you know AIDS is nothing but Mooladhara problem. But still, if you want to make a martyrdom out of that, that: “We are AIDS soldiers walking to our death,” then what can you do to such stupid people? And stupidity comes also from Mooladhara, because He is the giver of wisdom. How do you get the wisdom? Only by awakening your Shri Ganesh. He is the giver of wisdom. Now, all kinds of people do stupidities, unbelievable. Unbelievable. Like in India recently I asked them for bigger bangles, for the ladies have bigger hands here, and they came back to say that these days all big bangles are going to America. I said, “Why?” Because the men have decided to wear bangles in America. Now in India, if you give one bangle to any man, means an insult to him, that “you are not a man.” All such stupidities, hundred and one, I tell you, you see all over the world now because you have come out of it. All kinds of things come because their Mooladhara is not all right. In India now, for example, we all wear saris. Nobody knows. I mean, logically also we should wear saris because saris are made by villagers and they earn out of it and that’s how we support . . . this thing. Culturally, we like it also because it suggests we are shy women, we don’t want to expose our body too much. And thirdly, it’s very good for the mothers, that mothers can nurse the children and look after them.So, it has various aspects, but nobody thinks [about] the logic of it. They think it’s very practical and it has been there for traditions. Now, supposing you say, “All right, come along, give up your saris and wear something else,” they’ll say, “Now, tell us another! No, no. Nothing doing.” Nobody would accept it. Nobody would accept it, because they think that saris are more gracious, they make you look like a woman; there’s so much beautiful dress and it does give chance for the artist to express themselves. But this . . . only some intellectuals might be thinking. But normally in the villages, if you tell them that you change over, they say no. So nothing like a fashion can work out. Nothing like a fashion can work out because traditionally now they have reached a certain stage of wisdom: “Now, this is the best suited for us.” So they won’t accept any nonsense. Ha, if it is something sensible – which is never so, I would say, from the West – they may. But because the Western people have lost their wisdom, there is nothing sensible that comes to India, nothing. And whatever sensible [thing] they have, that is also going out. Yesterday you heard such a beautiful waltz. I mean, who plays these days a waltz? Thousands will gather at some sort of a noisy pop, hard music, which can penetrate into your ears and can make you deaf. There’s no wisdom in all these things. They want all the time some sort of a sensation. I was told people come here for skiing. Now some, I saw people jumping with a parachute. Ask an Indian, he’ll say: “You better do it. I’m not here to break my legs.” That he understands the wisdom that, “My body is more important than anything else. What is this sensation for?” The skiing, so many people have seen, they’ve lost their kidneys. They have lost their legs. They’ll have artificial legs for skiing. This sensation comes as a great attraction for people who have no wisdom. It doesn’t appeal to the wisdom. So, the people who are wise don’t take to stupid things. Though Shri Ganesha is the child, but He is the giver of wisdom. So we can say our children are the givers of wisdom if we keep them on the line of wisdom. You listen to them, how they talk, how wisely they talk. Sometimes they have a conference with Me and they tell Me all about you people, what you are up to, and they take Me into confidence completely and say that, “Don’t tell uncle or auntie, but we’ll tell you this.” And small, small things they say, that, “Auntie was wearing the sari You gave her and then, you know, she put it on the ground!” All little, little things they know; so sweet they are. See yesterday how they came rushing and kissed Me, so sweet. Without them the world would have been like a desert without any flowers, you know.So, Shri Ganesha has created you. Because of Him, you were born. He’s the one who looked after you when you were in the womb of the mother. He’s the one who saw to it that you are born at the right time. He’s the one who has looked after your nourishment, everything. He’s the one who has looked after your development of the foetus, of the brain and everything. All is done that by this great personality, Shri Ganesh. How much we owe to Him! Apart from that, He gives us the basic wisdom.I mean, a villager, supposing you talk to a villager who is not exposed to all these nonsensical sensations, you’ll find him extremely practical and wise. There’s a story that one villager was travelling by train with other boys who were very flamboyant and thinking that they were very smart. So, they were trying to tease the man. So, a boy asked a question to him: “Now, if the butter is selling for one pound, for a quarter of a pound, what will be the price of the egg in the next station?” He looked at him. He said, “All right, you tell me what. Then, you cannot tell the price of the egg, then can you tell me the price, can you tell me my age?”He looked at him. He said, “You must be twenty-two.”He said, “How do you know?”He said, “I have a brother who is eleven years and he is half mad, but you are full mad.” So, an ordinary villager answered this smart fellow and the smart fellow didn’t know where to go. So, all this smartness and cleverness finishes off when it comes to innocence. Now, many people have a feeling also that we have lost our innocence. That is something, an eternal quality you have got. You never lose your innocence. Maybe, as clouds can cover the whole sky, maybe your ego and conditionings and your mistakes might have covered it, but it is always there, always there. Only thing [is], it is for you to respect it, to behave in a manner that you respect your innocence. Not to feel shy about your innocence, never. Your innocence itself is a power and your innocence will definitely give you that wisdom by which you can solve all the problems without any difficulty. But in a deeper way, if you see who is Shri Ganesha, He is the child of Adi Shakti. She created Him from the Omkara. Now, Omkara is the Logos, as you call it, is the first sound when Sadashiva and Adi Shakti separated, for creation. That sound is used as Omkara, which are vibrations, which have light in it. They have all the causals of all the elements, only on the right side. Then the left side, it has the power of your emotions. In the centre, it has the power of your ascent. So it’s a very powerful Deity we have. And He’s playful. Children are seldom cruel. He’s not cruel, but if anything is done against the Mother, then He goes all wild. Then He punishes, and that is how the divine justice is brought to people. Thus, if we surrender to Shri Ganesh, He protects us, He gives us wisdom, He gives a proper understanding [of] the protocol of the Mother. He does not know any other deity but His Mother. He doesn’t bother about any other deity but His Mother, and He knows that She’s the most powerful Deity. And this is His wisdom, which must be imbibed. When you pray, you must try to imbibe that. For many people are still, in the West, anxious to copy other people, fall back into the wrong ideas, which have really kept them away from the truth. Thank God you all have come out of it. And when you see the hell into which the Western society has fallen, you try to understand and enjoy that you are at a different state altogether. But still among you there will be some who will be dangling. Try to pull them out, not to throw them inside and go also with them. If you sympathize with them, you’ll go down with them. Try to pull them out and tell them that, “You have to come out.” It may be a little painful to them; doesn’t matter, but they’ll be saved. So you are here as saviours and you have the power of Shri Ganesha, which is to be used. So today’s puja is specially to be done with a prayer in your heart, that: “Shri Ganesha, please be kind and merciful and forgiving that You manifest within ourselves. Let all these hypocritical things, all these conditionings and all these wrong ideas we have or all the wrong life we have had, should just disappear like thin air, and let the beautiful moonlight of your soothing qualities of innocence be manifested through us.” Let us manifest these qualities. This is what is to be asked. Today is a great day. I’m very happy we are in Austria, which I call is the country of divine weapons. It’s a very wonderful country; as I told you before that there is no fundamentalism here. It’s very surprising, but I have discovered that in Austria there have been people from all over the world and they have been married here. It’s a small country, so they all kept together. It’s a very nice place, especially this place where we are. I heard that it’s called as the holy land of Tyrol. And we also saw lots of grace falling down with our eyes. Everybody could see them, the grace coming down. There was no rain, but you could see the grace. Moreover, yesterday, the villagers remarked that this river overflows. The whole glacier comes down and this river overflows, but it did not. It kept to its maryadas. They are quite surprised how it has happened, that it kept to its maryadas. This is one thing. And the second thing is they said that they have never heard such great, absolutely volcanic, roaring of the clouds. They’ve never heard such reports before, and it was really remarkable: it rained so heavily, everything happened, and we are all right. Only in the central path of Sushumna it cleared out. Maybe because I had to walk through that, so it cleared out that part. But on the whole, all our programs went off very well and we all enjoyed the last night’s program, and the musician also lost all count of time—he played for four hours on his own. I thought he’d just play one raga. He went on and he wanted to play more, but then, thank God, he thought of the puja perhaps and he stopped it. So, let us try to be innocent within ourself. Be proud that we are innocent. We need not be smart people. Smartness is your mental attitude and innocence is your innate quality, which is connected with this all-pervading Power. So, may God bless you all. At least during the puja there should not be any movements outside or nearby. If the children are sitting, well and good, otherwise you can go out. But you shouldn’t disturb others because their attention goes to you. So, all those who are having any movements, all of you also should come and sit with your children. Why can’t your children sit down? They will sit; bring them in. Or if they are not sitting, you go behind the curtain. Because they get disturbed, you see, there are Sahaja Yogis still who get disturbed very easily with the slightest movement here and there. So, the first thing is to open your heart for Shri Ganesha. As you see a child, how your heart opens. In the same way, please open your hearts. All right. See, one thing is that He has got a hunter [whip] in His hand and, if you remember, Christ used a hunter to hit all the people who were selling goods near the temple. He could have used any other weapon, but He used a hunter.

8/26/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=35237

Evening Program, Shri Ganesha Puja

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1990-08-26 Talk during Evening Program, Lanersbach, Austria, Shri Mataji:Hello, This is the raga as called as 'Meeya ki Malhar'.' Meeya' is the person, very well known in the history of India. His name was 'Tansen' Actually I don't know what his real name was but this was a kind of an honour name given to him by Akbar the great Who ruled in our country. And he was a very cosmopolitan man. He had married a Hindu lady also Jodha Bai, and this Akbar also wrote Ainey Akbar which is something like -just like Sahaja Yoga. He tried to integrate all the religions and gives the best principle of the religions. This was the great work Akbar had done. Now he was alls so fond of Indian Music. He had Tansen in his [unclear/fort/court] where he looked after them. Formerly in a country, all the things used to look after the artists, musicians and all that. So this he made this special raga he is known for this raga 'Meeya ki Madhar ' and another one he has made which is the very famous one, ''Deepak' raga for that nowadays nobody plays which is the raga by which lights used to get enlightened like -You play that raga and It will have all the little lamps we use in Diwali… They used to get light up That was said about it. And When it did not rain he used to play this raga "Meeya ki Manhar" by which it used to rain and so It is a….become a seasonal song But very beautiful raga he enjoyed very much…I think you know some music and some of the bhajans are based on this. So I am sure you are going to enjoy this one…( After performance )Hello, I feel Tansen is reborn here again…And this time he surpasses his performances, this time he raised a little …And we can say this now …In our language, we say that if somebody is a very great player we say Tantor means absolutely the last word of all this… Today his creativity was so great and [unclear /1:22:17 knew no palms ] And how he [unclear 1:22:17 ] of the clouds and the people asking and again the cloud and again …You see it's a beautiful thing, it 's a song he did not told you [ unclear /1:22:28 ' ']Every body, All the birds are singing, everybody is singing to see the clouds you see…all it is there…[unclear ] is peacock…

1990-08-26 Talk during Evening Program, Lanersbach, Austria, Shri Mataji:Hello, This is the raga as called as 'Meeya ki Malhar'.' Meeya' is the person, very well known in the history of India. His name was 'Tansen' Actually I don't know what his real name was but this was a kind of an honour name given to him by Akbar the great Who ruled in our country. And he was a very cosmopolitan man. He had married a Hindu lady also Jodha Bai, and this Akbar also wrote Ainey Akbar which is something like -just like Sahaja Yoga. He tried to integrate all the religions and gives the best principle of the religions. This was the great work Akbar had done. Now he was alls so fond of Indian Music. He had Tansen in his [unclear/fort/court] where he looked after them. Formerly in a country, all the things used to look after the artists, musicians and all that. So this he made this special raga he is known for this raga 'Meeya ki Madhar ' and another one he has made which is the very famous one, ''Deepak' raga for that nowadays nobody plays which is the raga by which lights used to get enlightened like -You play that raga and It will have all the little lamps we use in Diwali… They used to get light up That was said about it. And When it did not rain he used to play this raga "Meeya ki Manhar" by which it used to rain and so It is a….become a seasonal song But very beautiful raga he enjoyed very much…I think you know some music and some of the bhajans are based on this. So I am sure you are going to enjoy this one…( After performance )Hello, I feel Tansen is reborn here again…And this time he surpasses his performances, this time he raised a little …And we can say this now …In our language, we say that if somebody is a very great player we say Tantor means absolutely the last word of all this… Today his creativity was so great and [unclear /1:22:17 knew no palms ] And how he [unclear 1:22:17 ] of the clouds and the people asking and again the cloud and again …You see it's a beautiful thing, it 's a song he did not told you [ unclear /1:22:28 ' ']Every body, All the birds are singing, everybody is singing to see the clouds you see…all it is there…[unclear ] is peacock…

8/26/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=10698

Welcome Talk before Shri Ganesha Puja: Fundamentalism

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Talk before Shri Ganesha Puja 1990-0826 So we have all gathered here today in this country of Austria, which in Sanskrit we call it Astra. Astra means: The divine weapons. And the greatest credit, I would give to Austria is this: That you don´t find any fundamentalism of any kind, whether it is Islam, or whether it is Christian, or Hindu any kind of fundamentalism operating in this country. Which is a very, very, very rare thing. Right from Russia to England you find everywhere there is a subtle fundamentalism existing. And this country has this speciality that there is no fundamentalism. And also racialism you don´t feel here at all. In every country I have felt that there is racialism. Of course, in Russia, there isn´t. But otherwise. So this country seems to be a very open minded country and perhaps because they have such beautiful nature with them. In this beautiful nature they want to enjoy the natüre and for that you have to have an open heart. Or maybe the vice versa, the natüre must have opened their heart. So, this land has a speciality: And I am very happy you all have from all the way from so many countries, even from America, Australia, India, such far-off countries you have assembled here for this celebration and yesterday we actually saw ourselves, with our own eyes, the grace falling on this country. Cause this country deserves it. Any country which has fundamentalism behind it, will have to go down in this modern times. Any kind of fundamentalism is out of date and they cannot survive. They will be thrown out. Out of the evolution of the societies. So: One has to open yourself to everything. Moreover, Sahaja Yoga encompasses all the great religions and all the great incarnations, prophets and saints. We respect all of them equally, like the jews respect Christ as they respect Moses, the Muslims respect Moses, as they respect Muhammed Sahab, the Hindus respect Muhammed Sahab, as they respect Shri Rama. This kind of a mutual respect, that we have, is not by blind faith, but by understanding through Sahaja Yoga, what we call on our central nervous system we can feel the divine power, and our whole being works like a computer and we can find out what is the truth about all of them. And that is how through our enlightenment, in that light, we worship all these people equally the same. But when it starts going to the fundamental bases, everybody is ruining, everybody's name is put into shame and all these great people are looked upon as some sort of trouble-makers. So, today´s thing speciality is that if we have any fundamentalistic ideas within our head, first of all, we should drive it out. In a way, whatever is happening in modern times is the exposure of all, that is wrong, evil and destructive. And all that is today shown to us, very clearly. We see it so clearly happening, that those people, who are against unification of the world, oneness of the world, and love for each other , are just getting exposed. So, our main power is our love. And that love is so effective, so kind, so tender, so beautiful, it has to be felt and to be enjoyed. So I am here for a very short time with you but I´ll be coming back . Because they want to shoot me down there but after some time I´ll be here to talk to you and I hope, you´ll enjoy this beautiful place. Have they arranged there? Have they arranged the other place all right ? Can we go now? Ask them. In case they want, I can go and come back here, so I could be here for a longer period.. So let them go first, I will join. Yet there are some more to arrive, has it? All of them not yet arrived they believe. Are we expecting more people? French have not. French ? Few of them have come. They are expecting about 800 people.

Talk before Shri Ganesha Puja 1990-0826 So we have all gathered here today in this country of Austria, which in Sanskrit we call it Astra. Astra means: The divine weapons. And the greatest credit, I would give to Austria is this: That you don´t find any fundamentalism of any kind, whether it is Islam, or whether it is Christian, or Hindu any kind of fundamentalism operating in this country. Which is a very, very, very rare thing. Right from Russia to England you find everywhere there is a subtle fundamentalism existing. And this country has this speciality that there is no fundamentalism. And also racialism you don´t feel here at all. In every country I have felt that there is racialism. Of course, in Russia, there isn´t. But otherwise. So this country seems to be a very open minded country and perhaps because they have such beautiful nature with them. In this beautiful nature they want to enjoy the natüre and for that you have to have an open heart. Or maybe the vice versa, the natüre must have opened their heart. So, this land has a speciality: And I am very happy you all have from all the way from so many countries, even from America, Australia, India, such far-off countries you have assembled here for this celebration and yesterday we actually saw ourselves, with our own eyes, the grace falling on this country. Cause this country deserves it. Any country which has fundamentalism behind it, will have to go down in this modern times. Any kind of fundamentalism is out of date and they cannot survive. They will be thrown out. Out of the evolution of the societies. So: One has to open yourself to everything. Moreover, Sahaja Yoga encompasses all the great religions and all the great incarnations, prophets and saints. We respect all of them equally, like the jews respect Christ as they respect Moses, the Muslims respect Moses, as they respect Muhammed Sahab, the Hindus respect Muhammed Sahab, as they respect Shri Rama. This kind of a mutual respect, that we have, is not by blind faith, but by understanding through Sahaja Yoga, what we call on our central nervous system we can feel the divine power, and our whole being works like a computer and we can find out what is the truth about all of them. And that is how through our enlightenment, in that light, we worship all these people equally the same. But when it starts going to the fundamental bases, everybody is ruining, everybody's name is put into shame and all these great people are looked upon as some sort of trouble-makers. So, today´s thing speciality is that if we have any fundamentalistic ideas within our head, first of all, we should drive it out. In a way, whatever is happening in modern times is the exposure of all, that is wrong, evil and destructive. And all that is today shown to us, very clearly. We see it so clearly happening, that those people, who are against unification of the world, oneness of the world, and love for each other , are just getting exposed. So, our main power is our love. And that love is so effective, so kind, so tender, so beautiful, it has to be felt and to be enjoyed. So I am here for a very short time with you but I´ll be coming back . Because they want to shoot me down there but after some time I´ll be here to talk to you and I hope, you´ll enjoy this beautiful place. Have they arranged there? Have they arranged the other place all right ? Can we go now? Ask them. In case they want, I can go and come back here, so I could be here for a longer period.. So let them go first, I will join. Yet there are some more to arrive, has it? All of them not yet arrived they believe. Are we expecting more people? French have not. French ? Few of them have come. They are expecting about 800 people.

8/29/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=62449

Public Program

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Frankfurt

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1990 – 08 – 29; Public Program, Frankfurt Germany Shri Mataji: I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset, we have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot change it, organise it, or describe it. Unless and until you know it, whatever one may say about the truth, one need not accept. Then another difficulty is that at human awareness we cannot know the truth. It is only knowledgeable once we reach a higher state of self-realisation. At the human awareness, as we come, we do not (unclear) truth. If you had truth, then there would have been no problems. We all would have felt the same way if it was the absolute truth. Like you see a candle for example, or the (unclear) here. All of you can see. It is so. There are all the (unclear). So something has to happen to human beings, by which they have to know the absolute truth. We see so many problems around us. Say for example ecological problems, political problems. Because we do not know how to behave with each other. We are here and we are all sitting together, and we don’t know (unclear). And so all these complications come in. For example we do not know how we relate to materialism. Simple things is that machines are for us, we are not for machines. Now in the beginning when we started making machines we went out of bounds, without any knowledge of balance and created so many nonsensical things on this Earth. And we made this ecological problem. If we had a sense of balance and the collective understanding of it, there could never have been such a problem. Now the political problems are there because we do not know that God has made only one world. That we are part and parcel of the whole, of one personality. We have formed so many cliques, like [the] League of Nations, United Nations, all these things. But there is no truth behind it. I know all these institutions very closely also, and I find that those people who talk of peace have no peace within themselves. It would be like many blind people trying to paint something for the future. So first of all let us open our eyes. That if we are part and parcel of one great personality, then let us feel it that way. It can only happen if you become the self. Because the self, the Spirit, is the universal being within us. When the light of the self comes within us with that light, we feel another person and we can feel ourselves. We can feel what is wrong with another person, what is wrong with us. People end up in lunatic asylums. They end up with cancer. They end up with horrible diseases. But they are not aware that they are making all these (? diseases). Because we do not know what is happening within ourselves. We do not know what is wrong with us. And instead (? any method) by which we can see what is wrong with (? others). Is there any way of finding out that we are inside like this and there is something happening in our roots? And that is extremely simple. Because a special timing has started. I call it as the Blossom Time. Where so many people have to (? ascend). When we try to find the self, we have to know that it has to be a living process. It has to be the living process of [the] evolutionary style. As now we have become the human beings, we have to become the higher self through this living process. So the possibility of achieving that breakthrough is there. But as we are living in this materialistic world, we think also that all living work can be done by paying money. Like this Mother Earth, if we have to sprout a seed, how much do we pay (? them)? This Mother Earth has got a built-in quality to sprout the seed and the seed has the built-in quality to get sprouted. In the same way, you too have the same built in quality within you to get your self-realisation. Now the logical conclusion of people (unclear) to understand that any kind of ideology doesn’t get you to perfection. Take for example now the Russian style. They have not thought that they have gone too far with their communistic ideas. But what about democracy? Even democracy becoming demonocracy. If you go to America you will be amazed. You can’t walk on the street alone. It is so violent. The whole place is infested with such diseases that you are afraid of touching anyone there. Sometimes I feel that out of ten people six people are schizophrenic there. They all the time twitch their eyes, noses, they never steady (unclear). So America, which is the epitome of democracy, is like this. All this money orientation has led them there. Ultimately to diseases, to mental problems, to social problems. Socially they are horrible because everywhere I go I find a new wife (unclear). Socially they are horrible, every year I go there I find a new wife with a gentleman. This is so – so troublesome, it is such a turmoil in their lives. So full of stupid ideas. That you can’t understand, where is this wisdom? Where is that wisdom gone which Abraham Lincoln had? So the materialism, also, is to be balanced. So then we go to the religion and we see these fundamentalists. Whether they are Muslims, Christians, any religion, they are all fundamentalists. The best part of it, you may be a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, anything – you can commit any sin. There is no restriction about it. So the religion is something outside like – it’s like a social party or something, that’s all. And the whole thing is based either on power or on money. Nothing on Spirit. But the essence of all the religions is that you see the eternal. And whatever is transitory is to be used in its own understanding and discriminations. But what we are doing is we are losing the religion for a kind of a groupism. So this fundamentalism that we see today is – has been with every religion, so called. So now where is the truth? One gets lost and doesn’t understand that – this kind of anarchy in every dimension you find of human life, so you feel frustrated. Then you have to do some soul searching. Every prophet, every incarnation, every saint has said one thing. That you have to be born again. We talk of that, we do not know the truth. So immediately they take the label, “we are born again”. It’s not a label, it’s a state. And in that state you have Spiritual powers. Now whatever I am telling you, you have to listen to it as with a scientific mind. You have to treat it like a hypothesis. And if it is true then as honest people you must accept. Because it is for your benevolence. Benevolence of the progeny. And the emancipation of the whole world. For your information I would like to tell you that through this awakening and through Sahaja Yoga we have been able to create three doctors who pass – got their MDs in India. And there are seven doctors in London who are trying to record all the people who were cured by Sahaja Yoga, physically and mentally. In Russia they have officially accepted Sahaja Yoga as a medically curing process. I must say, [the] Russian government might have been (unclear) whatever you may say. But the people are extremely wise. I mean I never have less than fourteen thousand, twelve thousand people in Russia. It is really surprising how these people who talked of materialism have such pure intelligence in their head to see that you can’t pay for Spirit. None of the false gurus who are taking money were successful there. Nor the Orthodox Church which was just making money there, and all these churches as we are finding out (unclear). They just wanted the pure experience of Spirit. And this is what I don’t understand, when we do not talk of materialism in a democratic country and more of democracy, we are greater materialists than them. So now there’s something missing, we have to know, in our democratic system, that it has just pampered our ego too much and has given us chances to decide about things. Small, small things we start deciding. And we waste our precious human life into very small stupid things. In my own life I have another life which is supposed to be with the “elite” people. In my own life I have another life where I’m supposed to be with the “elite” of the society. Now if the French have invited you for dinner, for forty-five minutes they will only discuss what they will have. And if the English have invited you they will discuss what sort of spoons you are using. Same thing with everyone. That we decide the personality of a person by what they are wearing, what they are eating, how they are moving about. In what car. I sometimes fear that all mafia leaders will become prime ministers of democratic countries. The other day I have met a lady who has been to a guru who had been taking Rolls-Royces from the disciples. So she said (? he has) not only Rolls-Royces, he’s got [a] helicopter, he’s got [an] aeroplane, all these things he has. So she was very much impressed. I said for this kind of impression you’d have to pay. How did he get all this money? From where did he get it? So in – about seeking also, we do not have a proper idea (unclear) that it cannot be paid for. It’s a living process. In the elite society where I move people talk like this, “Oh that guru is expensive but he’s good.” So first of all I want to tell you that it’s a living process and already God has built in you this system. And it is the simplest way of getting it. Has to be the simplest. Because it is so (unclear). Like our breathing. If you have to, for that, pay to some guru, how many of us – of us are going to exist? So it has to be Sahaj, it has to be simple. And this is what – today some people were telling me, “Mother, make it very difficult, otherwise we won’t understand the value of this.” Like somebody had made a tunnel of I think five hundred metres, through which everybody had to walk through, called the “Rebirth”. And how (unclear) join that? They were paying any amount and they were allowed to steal what you like but you can commit any sin, kill anyone, you have to just pay and walk through that tunnel. And you’ll be amazed, many educated people joined them. All depends on these pretentions, somebody is giving you a diamond, you (unclear) doing this, all these pretentions. Can not be truthful, we must understand this. The tunnel is within yourself, you have – if you see that is the tunnel, what we call as the centre path of ascent. It cannot be longer than three to four feet at the most. So first of all we must know that materialism so called, that we have, has really made us money-oriented and because of that there are lots of stupid things which are important. And we cannot even enjoy the matter. As you know, in economics, principal is that (? nobody) juggles (unclear). (unclear) see this beautiful carpet, I just see it, just see it. I don’t think about it. And the joy of its creation just flows through me, soothing me down. But if I was a person who (unclear) owning this and also was thinking about it then I think “Oh God this is mine, it might be spoiled, must be insured”, all kinds of headaches. But if (unclear) belongs to somebody else also I would think that “Oh when will I go and buy it?” This is the common human reaction. So any amount of things we acquire, whatever we want to have, we can never be satisfied. So this power, that is the Kundalini about which you are being told, is the power of pure desire. And when it rises through six centres as you see that we have – six centres, seventh one is (unclear) – six centres, it pierces through your fontanelle bone area and you get the actualisation of baptism. Like this instrument has to be put to the main, our instrument has to be put to the main also. And as this rises it nourishes all your centres, and it cures you, it gives you mental peace and ultimately you become a man or a woman who is an enlightened person. And the Spirit, which is the Universal Being within you, starts shining in your attention, by which you know what the problem is with your centres and what the problems are with others’. So you become collectively conscious, you become, it’s not lecturing. Becoming, that means you develop the awareness of this new dimension. Then if you know how to correct yourself you get all right, and if you know how to correct others they are all right too. What is the difference between us and the real saints, the sat gurus, not these – all these horrible money-makers, but the real ones? That they never told lies. They never cheated anyone. They never enlightened other candles also. Only thing, you have to have self-confidence. That’s all, that you all can get your self-realisation. I am sorry, I was told the program started late and that’s how today, for the time being I have just given you the introduction of Sahaja Yoga in a way, but I would like you to ask Me questions, which are relevant. Because I have come here not to take anything from you. I am not a politician. But I have come to give you what you are. And the truth is that you are the Spirit. And another truth is that there is a subtle power of divine love that has – (microphone cuts off and audio is unclear until 36:46). There was one gentleman who was (unclear) had written that Kundalini is in your stomach. What can you do about it? Not to be (unclear). Now, the Kundalini is your mother. Your individual mother. And She knows each and everything about you. Like a tape recorder, everything is within her knowledge. And when you were born your mother (unclear) she didn’t give you any trouble, did she? She just played with you. You might sometimes be a little (unclear). Sometimes. Ah, this one gentleman. (A seeker asks about whether Shri Jesus Christ has a big role in Sahaja Yoga, in German.) Shri Mataji: Oh very much, very much, all of them. Very much so. Tomorrow I will tell you all about Him, without Him it can’t work out. All of them. Christ has said that those who aren’t against us are with us. Who are those? All right. It will take about ten minutes at most. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: You should not. You should not rely on the thoughts. So by this action when – by this process you go beyond thoughts, in a thoughtless awareness. And then wherever you really take in the light of the Spirit, so you know the absolute truth. (A seeker asks about the meaning of life in German.) Shri Mataji: The meaning of life is that you have to enjoy yourself. And the Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty on your heart. But first (unclear) and first you know it. And it’s better to know about it later on. For example here there are so many lights, and we come from outside and there is a (unclear) all the lights come in because they are built in here. But first if I have to tell you that this theory of electricity, that how it has come to Frankfurt and how it has come here and who has done it in the darkness, you’d be bored still. So the best thing to be, first to have the light. As a mother I would say I have done the cooking for you. If you are hungry then (? you have to) eat first, then I’ll tell you how I got it. (A seeker asks a question about what Shri Mataji meant by light in German.) Shri Mataji: So it is awareness. I am talking about awareness. Light. You can say. Now for example if there’s an animal say, like a horse or a dog. If you want to take him through a dirty (unclear) he can walk through no problem. But if you ask a human being to do that he can’t. (unclear) because in [the] evolutionary process your awareness is such that you understand, feel it what is dirt, you understand what is beauty, what are aesthetics, so many (unclear) you have got which are expressed on the central nervous system. So this light I am talking about is the higher awareness of collective consciousness. In that awareness you become a personality which can have the wisdom, which is a divine wisdom of the absolute truth. For example if you have say, children who are realised souls. And you tie their eyes. And put somebody before them and ask them to tell us what is wrong with this fellow. They will raise the same finger, supposing they raise this finger. That they will ask the person “Do you suffer from a throat trouble?” The person will say “How do you know? Are you a psychic?” This is how. Your fingertips (? get enlightened). There are five six and seven centres. I’ve shown here, you can see clearly. And that’s how first you can make out what is wrong with other people, physically or mentally. Also you go beyond thought and become peaceful. You (unclear) your peace within yourself. And when you cross over and establish your connection nicely, then you get the powers to raise the Kundalini of others, to cure others. You will be happy to know that first time when I went to Russia there were twenty-five Germans who went there to give realisation to (? them). And these Germans, as I find them, are extremely gentle, extremely (unclear). I just can’t understand how beautiful they are. And they are born (unclear) (? to save them). Very (unclear), very kind people. Very compassionate. Very honest. So all this beauty is growing within us. Just we have to manifest, that’s all. (A seeker asks a question in German, I think about whether realised people will go to Paradise and what will happen to the people who do not get their realisation. She is worried that not a lot of people have gotten their realisation.) Shri Mataji: A sweet question, very sweet question. I am myself worried about that. But see now in Frankfurt, we’ve done so much work here, how many have come for their realisation? See you have to come, I cannot force on you. Isn’t it? It cannot be forced. So this is the problem. I am sure after some time more people will come. But the progress is very slow. In India of course we have thousands. And also in Russia, in Bulgaria. Romania. But otherwise people are more enamoured by nonsensical things. They (? have) pretentions and funny things, I really don’t understand, why don’t they use their brains? (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. That I have said but the questions are coming in now. (unclear) that’s going to happen now, that’s very good. (? There has been seven.) Now there is a question again now. (unclear) we must do that now. All right. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: I think the enjoyment is pure enjoyment. (? Without question. I think it’s better to experience within you.) (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: I (unclear) you will become a Sahaja Yogi, you will have to do the job that is (unclear). They know I am already sixty-seven years of age. And every day I am travelling. And I am (unclear). And the more people are coming to Sahaja Yoga and take it seriously, they can help also. (unclear), only one. Then a few people. And then (unclear). In the same way, once some people (unclear) and they see your lives and your styles, and then (unclear) will come out. I started Sahaja Yoga with one person, now we have thousands. Now. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Now first of all you get your realisation. I have to say one thing, that now we (unclear). Like in Russia I give realisation to people only on television. So many people have got their realisation only on television. Just a bit try first of all to listen to me. Then all right (unclear). Now all these people in every (unclear) thousands and thousands in Russia getting realisation. Here your television never called me (unclear). (unclear) very lucky people (? usually). Gorbachev himself is a realised soul, (unclear). And he understands the value of Sahaja Yoga. They are lucky people (? to have) such a great leader. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Now better not be too (unclear). (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: (unclear) it’s not like that. As I told you (unclear). Some (unclear) are so (? cruel) that you – for sure they really get (unclear). But some are not. If you are told (unclear) also (unclear). So that’s what I’m saying, if you ask me questions I’ll answer. But I cannot guarantee realisation. Just a bit, just a bit, really listen to me what I say. Because that is mental. Questions, answers are mental. Mental activities. But I want you [to] ask me questions because when this process is on I don’t want your minds suddenly to jump up like a jack-in-a-box. You have to understand (unclear). That’s why I answer. But by my answering you will not – I cannot guarantee your realisation. Because you have to go beyond the mind. And if there are too many thoughts all the time then Kundalini may not rise. So I would say, for the time being, if you could just to allow Kundalini to raise it would be a better idea. And then you will see if some people are left out, you see them, what the problem is. Because you are all mental people, quite a lot of mental activities going on. So you cannot settle down with yourself. It’s all bubbling, you see all mental activity is bubbling, I can see it. So I wanted to give an outlet. An outlet (unclear) a little bit so that you are settled down. Otherwise [the] Sahaja Yoga process is extremely comfortable. Formerly, people had to go to Himalayas. Walk for miles. Stand on their heads. No questions, no answers. And sometimes took beatings. But today Sahaja Yoga is coming from a Mother. So it can be done in a very comfortable way. And that’s why let us now settle down to have the realisation. Now – first of all, I don’t know how far he has told you about these two nadhis, left and right. The two sympathetic nervous systems. I don’t know. Because in such a small time you cannot explain everything. But we, we will say that left side we have the power of desire. Normal desire. Not the pure desire which is the Kundalini. And the right side is the power of action. So what we have to do is to put your left hand towards me like this, comfortable towards me, comfortable on your lap. And we have to put the right hand for nourishing our centres on the left-hand side. Very simple thing. I hope you don’t mind that we have to take out our shoes before we start, because – (audio cuts off).

1990 – 08 – 29; Public Program, Frankfurt Germany Shri Mataji: I bow to all the seekers of truth. At the very outset, we have to know that truth is what it is. We cannot change it, organise it, or describe it. Unless and until you know it, whatever one may say about the truth, one need not accept. Then another difficulty is that at human awareness we cannot know the truth. It is only knowledgeable once we reach a higher state of self-realisation. At the human awareness, as we come, we do not (unclear) truth. If you had truth, then there would have been no problems. We all would have felt the same way if it was the absolute truth. Like you see a candle for example, or the (unclear) here. All of you can see. It is so. There are all the (unclear). So something has to happen to human beings, by which they have to know the absolute truth. We see so many problems around us. Say for example ecological problems, political problems. Because we do not know how to behave with each other. We are here and we are all sitting together, and we don’t know (unclear). And so all these complications come in. For example we do not know how we relate to materialism. Simple things is that machines are for us, we are not for machines. Now in the beginning when we started making machines we went out of bounds, without any knowledge of balance and created so many nonsensical things on this Earth. And we made this ecological problem. If we had a sense of balance and the collective understanding of it, there could never have been such a problem. Now the political problems are there because we do not know that God has made only one world. That we are part and parcel of the whole, of one personality. We have formed so many cliques, like [the] League of Nations, United Nations, all these things. But there is no truth behind it. I know all these institutions very closely also, and I find that those people who talk of peace have no peace within themselves. It would be like many blind people trying to paint something for the future. So first of all let us open our eyes. That if we are part and parcel of one great personality, then let us feel it that way. It can only happen if you become the self. Because the self, the Spirit, is the universal being within us. When the light of the self comes within us with that light, we feel another person and we can feel ourselves. We can feel what is wrong with another person, what is wrong with us. People end up in lunatic asylums. They end up with cancer. They end up with horrible diseases. But they are not aware that they are making all these (? diseases). Because we do not know what is happening within ourselves. We do not know what is wrong with us. And instead (? any method) by which we can see what is wrong with (? others). Is there any way of finding out that we are inside like this and there is something happening in our roots? And that is extremely simple. Because a special timing has started. I call it as the Blossom Time. Where so many people have to (? ascend). When we try to find the self, we have to know that it has to be a living process. It has to be the living process of [the] evolutionary style. As now we have become the human beings, we have to become the higher self through this living process. So the possibility of achieving that breakthrough is there. But as we are living in this materialistic world, we think also that all living work can be done by paying money. Like this Mother Earth, if we have to sprout a seed, how much do we pay (? them)? This Mother Earth has got a built-in quality to sprout the seed and the seed has the built-in quality to get sprouted. In the same way, you too have the same built in quality within you to get your self-realisation. Now the logical conclusion of people (unclear) to understand that any kind of ideology doesn’t get you to perfection. Take for example now the Russian style. They have not thought that they have gone too far with their communistic ideas. But what about democracy? Even democracy becoming demonocracy. If you go to America you will be amazed. You can’t walk on the street alone. It is so violent. The whole place is infested with such diseases that you are afraid of touching anyone there. Sometimes I feel that out of ten people six people are schizophrenic there. They all the time twitch their eyes, noses, they never steady (unclear). So America, which is the epitome of democracy, is like this. All this money orientation has led them there. Ultimately to diseases, to mental problems, to social problems. Socially they are horrible because everywhere I go I find a new wife (unclear). Socially they are horrible, every year I go there I find a new wife with a gentleman. This is so – so troublesome, it is such a turmoil in their lives. So full of stupid ideas. That you can’t understand, where is this wisdom? Where is that wisdom gone which Abraham Lincoln had? So the materialism, also, is to be balanced. So then we go to the religion and we see these fundamentalists. Whether they are Muslims, Christians, any religion, they are all fundamentalists. The best part of it, you may be a Hindu, Muslim, Christian, anything – you can commit any sin. There is no restriction about it. So the religion is something outside like – it’s like a social party or something, that’s all. And the whole thing is based either on power or on money. Nothing on Spirit. But the essence of all the religions is that you see the eternal. And whatever is transitory is to be used in its own understanding and discriminations. But what we are doing is we are losing the religion for a kind of a groupism. So this fundamentalism that we see today is – has been with every religion, so called. So now where is the truth? One gets lost and doesn’t understand that – this kind of anarchy in every dimension you find of human life, so you feel frustrated. Then you have to do some soul searching. Every prophet, every incarnation, every saint has said one thing. That you have to be born again. We talk of that, we do not know the truth. So immediately they take the label, “we are born again”. It’s not a label, it’s a state. And in that state you have Spiritual powers. Now whatever I am telling you, you have to listen to it as with a scientific mind. You have to treat it like a hypothesis. And if it is true then as honest people you must accept. Because it is for your benevolence. Benevolence of the progeny. And the emancipation of the whole world. For your information I would like to tell you that through this awakening and through Sahaja Yoga we have been able to create three doctors who pass – got their MDs in India. And there are seven doctors in London who are trying to record all the people who were cured by Sahaja Yoga, physically and mentally. In Russia they have officially accepted Sahaja Yoga as a medically curing process. I must say, [the] Russian government might have been (unclear) whatever you may say. But the people are extremely wise. I mean I never have less than fourteen thousand, twelve thousand people in Russia. It is really surprising how these people who talked of materialism have such pure intelligence in their head to see that you can’t pay for Spirit. None of the false gurus who are taking money were successful there. Nor the Orthodox Church which was just making money there, and all these churches as we are finding out (unclear). They just wanted the pure experience of Spirit. And this is what I don’t understand, when we do not talk of materialism in a democratic country and more of democracy, we are greater materialists than them. So now there’s something missing, we have to know, in our democratic system, that it has just pampered our ego too much and has given us chances to decide about things. Small, small things we start deciding. And we waste our precious human life into very small stupid things. In my own life I have another life which is supposed to be with the “elite” people. In my own life I have another life where I’m supposed to be with the “elite” of the society. Now if the French have invited you for dinner, for forty-five minutes they will only discuss what they will have. And if the English have invited you they will discuss what sort of spoons you are using. Same thing with everyone. That we decide the personality of a person by what they are wearing, what they are eating, how they are moving about. In what car. I sometimes fear that all mafia leaders will become prime ministers of democratic countries. The other day I have met a lady who has been to a guru who had been taking Rolls-Royces from the disciples. So she said (? he has) not only Rolls-Royces, he’s got [a] helicopter, he’s got [an] aeroplane, all these things he has. So she was very much impressed. I said for this kind of impression you’d have to pay. How did he get all this money? From where did he get it? So in – about seeking also, we do not have a proper idea (unclear) that it cannot be paid for. It’s a living process. In the elite society where I move people talk like this, “Oh that guru is expensive but he’s good.” So first of all I want to tell you that it’s a living process and already God has built in you this system. And it is the simplest way of getting it. Has to be the simplest. Because it is so (unclear). Like our breathing. If you have to, for that, pay to some guru, how many of us – of us are going to exist? So it has to be Sahaj, it has to be simple. And this is what – today some people were telling me, “Mother, make it very difficult, otherwise we won’t understand the value of this.” Like somebody had made a tunnel of I think five hundred metres, through which everybody had to walk through, called the “Rebirth”. And how (unclear) join that? They were paying any amount and they were allowed to steal what you like but you can commit any sin, kill anyone, you have to just pay and walk through that tunnel. And you’ll be amazed, many educated people joined them. All depends on these pretentions, somebody is giving you a diamond, you (unclear) doing this, all these pretentions. Can not be truthful, we must understand this. The tunnel is within yourself, you have – if you see that is the tunnel, what we call as the centre path of ascent. It cannot be longer than three to four feet at the most. So first of all we must know that materialism so called, that we have, has really made us money-oriented and because of that there are lots of stupid things which are important. And we cannot even enjoy the matter. As you know, in economics, principal is that (? nobody) juggles (unclear). (unclear) see this beautiful carpet, I just see it, just see it. I don’t think about it. And the joy of its creation just flows through me, soothing me down. But if I was a person who (unclear) owning this and also was thinking about it then I think “Oh God this is mine, it might be spoiled, must be insured”, all kinds of headaches. But if (unclear) belongs to somebody else also I would think that “Oh when will I go and buy it?” This is the common human reaction. So any amount of things we acquire, whatever we want to have, we can never be satisfied. So this power, that is the Kundalini about which you are being told, is the power of pure desire. And when it rises through six centres as you see that we have – six centres, seventh one is (unclear) – six centres, it pierces through your fontanelle bone area and you get the actualisation of baptism. Like this instrument has to be put to the main, our instrument has to be put to the main also. And as this rises it nourishes all your centres, and it cures you, it gives you mental peace and ultimately you become a man or a woman who is an enlightened person. And the Spirit, which is the Universal Being within you, starts shining in your attention, by which you know what the problem is with your centres and what the problems are with others’. So you become collectively conscious, you become, it’s not lecturing. Becoming, that means you develop the awareness of this new dimension. Then if you know how to correct yourself you get all right, and if you know how to correct others they are all right too. What is the difference between us and the real saints, the sat gurus, not these – all these horrible money-makers, but the real ones? That they never told lies. They never cheated anyone. They never enlightened other candles also. Only thing, you have to have self-confidence. That’s all, that you all can get your self-realisation. I am sorry, I was told the program started late and that’s how today, for the time being I have just given you the introduction of Sahaja Yoga in a way, but I would like you to ask Me questions, which are relevant. Because I have come here not to take anything from you. I am not a politician. But I have come to give you what you are. And the truth is that you are the Spirit. And another truth is that there is a subtle power of divine love that has – (microphone cuts off and audio is unclear until 36:46). There was one gentleman who was (unclear) had written that Kundalini is in your stomach. What can you do about it? Not to be (unclear). Now, the Kundalini is your mother. Your individual mother. And She knows each and everything about you. Like a tape recorder, everything is within her knowledge. And when you were born your mother (unclear) she didn’t give you any trouble, did she? She just played with you. You might sometimes be a little (unclear). Sometimes. Ah, this one gentleman. (A seeker asks about whether Shri Jesus Christ has a big role in Sahaja Yoga, in German.) Shri Mataji: Oh very much, very much, all of them. Very much so. Tomorrow I will tell you all about Him, without Him it can’t work out. All of them. Christ has said that those who aren’t against us are with us. Who are those? All right. It will take about ten minutes at most. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: You should not. You should not rely on the thoughts. So by this action when – by this process you go beyond thoughts, in a thoughtless awareness. And then wherever you really take in the light of the Spirit, so you know the absolute truth. (A seeker asks about the meaning of life in German.) Shri Mataji: The meaning of life is that you have to enjoy yourself. And the Spirit is the reflection of God Almighty on your heart. But first (unclear) and first you know it. And it’s better to know about it later on. For example here there are so many lights, and we come from outside and there is a (unclear) all the lights come in because they are built in here. But first if I have to tell you that this theory of electricity, that how it has come to Frankfurt and how it has come here and who has done it in the darkness, you’d be bored still. So the best thing to be, first to have the light. As a mother I would say I have done the cooking for you. If you are hungry then (? you have to) eat first, then I’ll tell you how I got it. (A seeker asks a question about what Shri Mataji meant by light in German.) Shri Mataji: So it is awareness. I am talking about awareness. Light. You can say. Now for example if there’s an animal say, like a horse or a dog. If you want to take him through a dirty (unclear) he can walk through no problem. But if you ask a human being to do that he can’t. (unclear) because in [the] evolutionary process your awareness is such that you understand, feel it what is dirt, you understand what is beauty, what are aesthetics, so many (unclear) you have got which are expressed on the central nervous system. So this light I am talking about is the higher awareness of collective consciousness. In that awareness you become a personality which can have the wisdom, which is a divine wisdom of the absolute truth. For example if you have say, children who are realised souls. And you tie their eyes. And put somebody before them and ask them to tell us what is wrong with this fellow. They will raise the same finger, supposing they raise this finger. That they will ask the person “Do you suffer from a throat trouble?” The person will say “How do you know? Are you a psychic?” This is how. Your fingertips (? get enlightened). There are five six and seven centres. I’ve shown here, you can see clearly. And that’s how first you can make out what is wrong with other people, physically or mentally. Also you go beyond thought and become peaceful. You (unclear) your peace within yourself. And when you cross over and establish your connection nicely, then you get the powers to raise the Kundalini of others, to cure others. You will be happy to know that first time when I went to Russia there were twenty-five Germans who went there to give realisation to (? them). And these Germans, as I find them, are extremely gentle, extremely (unclear). I just can’t understand how beautiful they are. And they are born (unclear) (? to save them). Very (unclear), very kind people. Very compassionate. Very honest. So all this beauty is growing within us. Just we have to manifest, that’s all. (A seeker asks a question in German, I think about whether realised people will go to Paradise and what will happen to the people who do not get their realisation. She is worried that not a lot of people have gotten their realisation.) Shri Mataji: A sweet question, very sweet question. I am myself worried about that. But see now in Frankfurt, we’ve done so much work here, how many have come for their realisation? See you have to come, I cannot force on you. Isn’t it? It cannot be forced. So this is the problem. I am sure after some time more people will come. But the progress is very slow. In India of course we have thousands. And also in Russia, in Bulgaria. Romania. But otherwise people are more enamoured by nonsensical things. They (? have) pretentions and funny things, I really don’t understand, why don’t they use their brains? (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Yes, yes. That I have said but the questions are coming in now. (unclear) that’s going to happen now, that’s very good. (? There has been seven.) Now there is a question again now. (unclear) we must do that now. All right. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: I think the enjoyment is pure enjoyment. (? Without question. I think it’s better to experience within you.) (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: I (unclear) you will become a Sahaja Yogi, you will have to do the job that is (unclear). They know I am already sixty-seven years of age. And every day I am travelling. And I am (unclear). And the more people are coming to Sahaja Yoga and take it seriously, they can help also. (unclear), only one. Then a few people. And then (unclear). In the same way, once some people (unclear) and they see your lives and your styles, and then (unclear) will come out. I started Sahaja Yoga with one person, now we have thousands. Now. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Now first of all you get your realisation. I have to say one thing, that now we (unclear). Like in Russia I give realisation to people only on television. So many people have got their realisation only on television. Just a bit try first of all to listen to me. Then all right (unclear). Now all these people in every (unclear) thousands and thousands in Russia getting realisation. Here your television never called me (unclear). (unclear) very lucky people (? usually). Gorbachev himself is a realised soul, (unclear). And he understands the value of Sahaja Yoga. They are lucky people (? to have) such a great leader. (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: Now better not be too (unclear). (A seeker asks a question in German.) Shri Mataji: (unclear) it’s not like that. As I told you (unclear). Some (unclear) are so (? cruel) that you – for sure they really get (unclear). But some are not. If you are told (unclear) also (unclear). So that’s what I’m saying, if you ask me questions I’ll answer. But I cannot guarantee realisation. Just a bit, just a bit, really listen to me what I say. Because that is mental. Questions, answers are mental. Mental activities. But I want you [to] ask me questions because when this process is on I don’t want your minds suddenly to jump up like a jack-in-a-box. You have to understand (unclear). That’s why I answer. But by my answering you will not – I cannot guarantee your realisation. Because you have to go beyond the mind. And if there are too many thoughts all the time then Kundalini may not rise. So I would say, for the time being, if you could just to allow Kundalini to raise it would be a better idea. And then you will see if some people are left out, you see them, what the problem is. Because you are all mental people, quite a lot of mental activities going on. So you cannot settle down with yourself. It’s all bubbling, you see all mental activity is bubbling, I can see it. So I wanted to give an outlet. An outlet (unclear) a little bit so that you are settled down. Otherwise [the] Sahaja Yoga process is extremely comfortable. Formerly, people had to go to Himalayas. Walk for miles. Stand on their heads. No questions, no answers. And sometimes took beatings. But today Sahaja Yoga is coming from a Mother. So it can be done in a very comfortable way. And that’s why let us now settle down to have the realisation. Now – first of all, I don’t know how far he has told you about these two nadhis, left and right. The two sympathetic nervous systems. I don’t know. Because in such a small time you cannot explain everything. But we, we will say that left side we have the power of desire. Normal desire. Not the pure desire which is the Kundalini. And the right side is the power of action. So what we have to do is to put your left hand towards me like this, comfortable towards me, comfortable on your lap. And we have to put the right hand for nourishing our centres on the left-hand side. Very simple thing. I hope you don’t mind that we have to take out our shoes before we start, because – (audio cuts off).

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Shri Hanumana Puja. Frankfurt (Germany), 31 August 1990. You can sit here also, some of you, it’s good… I think you can come here, there is room. Some of you can move here so that they can also come here, so it won’t be a problem. You sit in front here. They are better, you see. Good. Open this door, would be all right. It’s all right, you can open the door if you like. It’s all right. Better open – these doors cannot be opened? They don’t open? Oh, my God! You need a tall person. You need Hanumana! Take His name and He’ll open! Keep a chair in front of that. Today we have come here to do Hanumana’s Puja. Shri Hanumana is a great character in our being and He runs all the way from Swadishthana to your brain and He supplies all the necessary guidance we need in our futuristic planning or in our mental activities. He gives us guidance and protection. As you know that Germany is a place where people are very active, very right-sided, use their brain too much and they are very machine-oriented also. It is very surprising how a deity like Shri Hanumana, who is an eternal child, because He was like a monkey. His head was that of a monkey, if not of an elephant. So He was an eternal child and He was the one who was used to run the right side of human beings. He was told that, “You must control the sun”, to begin with He has to control the sun, that the sun in the people, if there is too much sun then He must try to control it and make it cooler or smoother. So, He was a child after all, so as soon He was born, when He knew that He has to look after the sun He said, “Why not eat it off?” so He ran up the Virata’s body and ate up the Surya. There He had to be told, “No, no, no, no. You have to control Him, You don’t have to put Him inside your stomach”, because He thought that this sun will be controlled better if He has it in His own stomach. So the beauty of His character is that He’s a child, and the child-like behavior of Shri Hanumana has to control the right side, if there’s a right-sided mother or a right-sided father. Normally right-sided people don’t get children, normally. They’re over-right-sided, then even they get children but they are really not liked by the children, because they have no time for children, they all the time are very strict with the children, they shout at them, they don’t know how to handle the children. Or they are over-indulgent, because they always think that, “I never got this, so let me give it to the child.” So these extreme type of people who are right-sided have got this Hanumana who is nothing but a child. He is very anxious, very anxious to do the work of Shri Rama. Now, Shri Rama is a character I would say, which is full of balance, absolutely. He’s the benevolent king which Socrates has described. So He needed somebody with Him all the time to do the work or to supply Him or to help Him, like a secretary you can call Him, and Shri Hanumana was the one who was created for this purpose. Now Shri Rama [Shri Mataji may mean Shri Hanumana] was such a assistant, I mean, you cannot have such a word for him, you can say, such a servant of Shri Rama. Even the servants, you see, don’t have that much of dedication for their master. You can say, like a dog or a horse, but that also doesn’t have. Such dedication for Shri Rama that by the time He grew up He got nine siddhis, navadha siddhis. Nine siddhis He got. These siddhis are like this that He could become big, He could become so heavy that nobody could lift Him, He could become so sukshmana that nobody could see Him, He could become so subtle that nobody could see Him. There are nine siddhis that He got. So, a person who has got the right side too much in him, He controls him with these nine siddhis. Now, how will He control a man who is running very fast in his life? What He does is to control his movement, He makes him in such a way that he has to put down his speed. He makes his feet very heavy, now he can’t do that much. Or He makes his hands very heavy so the person cannot work very much with his hands. So He can give a tremendous kind of a lethargic heaviness to a person who is a very right-sided person. He has got another siddhis, which are very interesting is that He can extend His – He doesn’t have many weapons, He has only one gadha in His hand and He can extend His tail to any extent and He can handle people with His tail, He does not have to use His hand. Sitting down here, He can put the tail around anywhere. If He wants He can just make a mountain of His tail and sit on that. Like He has all these monkey-tricks as you call them, you see, and all these tricks He has within Himself is to control a person who is extremely right-sided, to begin with. Then He can fly in the air. Just…He doesn’t have any wings, but He can just fly in the air. That means He can become so big that the amount of air He displaces has much more weight than His own weight - just the same principle Archimedes, if you know the Archimedes principle - that He becomes so big that His body starts floating in the air. Like a boat, you see, you can call it. And He can fly in the air, and by flying in the air He can carry the message from one to another through the ether. Now, the subtle of the ether that we have is under the command of Shri Hanumana. He is the one who controls, or is the Lord of this ether, the subtle of the ether. Or say, the causal of the ether. And through it, it communicates. All the communications that you find like we have within ourselves also - ductless glands, which our pituitary is using ductless glands is through Hanumana’s movement, because He can go into a nirakar, He can go into a formless state. Also the communications, we know for this communication that we have, maybe we can say that there is a… we have got a loudspeaker, but we have a television, we have got radios and all those things. Where we catch on to the ether, anything, is all the blessings of Hanumana and are available to people who are right-sided. Only the right-sided people discover these things of the space which we call as a cordless telephone or a thing without... we have also telegraphs where we don’t use any wires. So, without any connection through the ether He can manage. So, all the ethereal connections has been done by this great engineer, Shri Hanumana. And it is so perfect, it’s so perfect that you cannot challenge it and you cannot find faults with it. Maybe your instruments may not be all right, but as far as His ethereal work is concerned He’s perfectly there. Now the scientists discover it and think that it is in the nature. But they never think, “How can it be?” We say something in the ether and how is it, it is received on the other end? They just take it for granted, that it is so that we say something here or we relay something on the television and it is seen the other side. But they never even think or search out how it is done, what is the way, and this is what is the work of Shri Hanumana, who has done such a beautiful network and through that network all these things work out. So, even on the right side the vibrations we get in the molecules, as you know that we get molecules like sulfur dioxide, if you have the sulfur has two oxygen and the oxygen goes on pulsating like that. They are asymmetric, symmetric type of vibrations, you all must be knowing about it. So, all these things, symmetric and asymmetric vibrations are created by whom? Nobody wants to know. Nobody wants to find out, because after all in an atom or a - imagine, in a molecule that deep, who does that job? Is done by Shri Hanumana in His subtle ways. So, He has another great siddhi, which we call as anima. Anima, anu, anu means a molecule, and that means it can enter into a molecule or renu is the atom - it can enter into molecule or into atom. Now, many scientists think that in the modern times they discovered the molecules. It’s not so, because it’s already in our oldest scriptures description of anima is there, is of anu, renu is there. So, is already described there. Now then, wherever you see the electromagnetic forces working it is worked through Hanumana’s blessings. He’s the one who creates electro-magnetic forces. So now, we can see that as Ganesha has got the magnetic force in Him, He’s the magnet, He has got the magnetic force, then we can say the electro-magnetic is the one which we call as Hanumana’s force, on the material side of it. But from the matter He goes up to the brain. So, He rises from Swadishthana up to the brain so, in the brain also He creates the co-relationships of the different sides of our brain. So how much He gives us, I mean, we can say if Ganesha gives us the wisdom, then He gives us the power to think. He protects us also that we should not think of bad things. That is we can say that, that if Ganesha gives us the wisdom, then Shri Hanumana gives us the conscience. I hope you understand the difference between the two. Wisdom is where you do not need conscience so much because you are wise: you know what is good, what is bad. But conscience is needed in a personality where he is to be controlled and that control comes from Shri Hanumana which is the conscience in the human being. Now, this conscience, which is Shri Hanumana, is the subtle form of Him, which gives us - is in Sanskrit called as satasatvivekabuddhi, means, sat means truth, asat means untruth and viveka means the discrimination and buddhi means the intelligence. So, intelligence to discriminate between the truth and untruth is given to us by Shri Hanumana. In the Sahaja Yoga system, if we say that Ganesha is the one who gives us, He’s the adyaksha, means He is the, I call Him as the chancellor of the university. He is the one who goes on degree to us, “Now, you have crossed this chakra, that chakra, that chakra.” And He helps us to know that what state we are in. So, the Ganesha gives us say, nirvichara samadhi, which we can call it as the thoughtless awareness, and nirvikalpa samadhi. He gives all that and also He gives us joy. But the understanding that “this is good, this is for our benevolence” - mental understanding - comes to us from Shri Hanumana. And it’s very important for Western people because it has to be mental otherwise they won’t understand. If it is not mental they cannot come into abstract, it has to be mental. And so the mental understanding of whether it is good or bad is given to us by Shri Hanumana. Without Him, even if you become a saint, you will be - of course you are a saint and you will enjoy the saintliness, but whether this saintliness is - all right, if you live on Himalayas, or is all right when you go across to people to give them realization - all the scanning, this vivekabuddhi, all the scanning, all this discrimination, all this guidance, all this protection is given to us by Shri Hanumana. Germany, being a country, which is very, very much, I should say, an essence of right side. And because of it being such an essence of right side is important to get the protector of right side here worshipped. But in all that vivekabuddhi, in that discrimination, He knows one thing, that He’s absolutely subservient to Shri Rama. Now what is Shri Rama? Shri Rama is the benevolent king. He works for the benevolence. And Shri Rama himself is a formal king, like sankocha, we call it, I mean, English words are not so good to explain this, but Shri Rama is the one who will not push forward Himself. He keeps back. He’s very balanced, He is very poised person. So the Hanumana, you see, He is the one who is always anxious to do the work of Shri Rama, always. If Shri Rama says, “All right, you go and get the…” He told Him, “Go and get the sanjeevani”, is the kind of a herb that was needed to bring Lakshmana to life. He went there and He brought the whole mountain with Him, “Now better have it.” It’s like that sort of a person, you see. So, He brought the – that’s childlike behavior of His. And the discrimination in this is that, “That if Shri Rama has asked for, whatever He’ll ask for I’ll do it.” So, is a relationship of a, I would say, like a guru and shishya. But even more than that, that the shishya is just like a subservient servant, absolutely surrendered to God. Absolutely surrendered to God and His main thing is surrender. Now see this surrender itself shows that all those who are right-sided people are surrendered, to God. Not surrendered to their bosses. Mostly all those right-sided people are very surrendered to their bosses, surrendered to their jobs, sometimes surrendered to their wives also, but they are subservient to wrong people, they have no discretion. You’ll always find that, they have no discretion. But if you take the help of Hanumana, then He tells you that you have to be surrendered to God Almighty and not to anybody else, or to your Guru like Rama. Otherwise you are not to be surrendered to anybody else and then you are a free bird and you have all the nine powers within yourself. Hanumana’s whole thing is to antidote your over-activity, to antidote your too-much-thinking, to antidote your ego. Now, how He finishes the ego of people is very sweetly shown when He burnt the whole of Lanka, is the capital of Ravana. And the way He made fun of him, because you see, anybody who is egoistical, one must make fun of him, then he’s all right. Like first He went and when Ravana saw Him he said, “Who are you? Who are you, the monkey.” So He just pushed His tail towards him and tickled his nose with His tail. So, He’s the one who makes fun of egoistical people. Now, if somebody egoistical tries to trouble you He’s the one, He’ll make such fun out of him, that you’ll be amazed how this fellow was jumping like a Humpty-Dumpty has fallen down and has broken his crown. So, see it is the job of Hanumana to protect you from egoistical people. And also He protects the egoistical people by showing them down. Like say, Saddam, in the case of Saddam I just asked Hanumana to do the job because I know He’ll do it. Now, how He has put this Saddam into different circumstances that he doesn’t know what to do. He doesn’t know how to go because supposing he says, “All right, I’ll have war.” So the whole of Iraq will be finished, he’ll be finished, Kuwait will be finished, all petrol will be finished, all right, everybody will be in trouble. But what about him, he won’t be there, too. Because if the Americans have to fight they’ll go in his place and fight. They won’t fight in America, he’s not going to go to America to fight them. Few Americans may be dead. So now, in this Saddam’s brain also Hanumana is working and telling him, “Now see, Mister, if you do like this, then this will happen.” He works into the brains of all the politicians, all these egoistical people. And then they get sometimes stunned, sometimes they change their policies, they come round and that’s how they manage. Also another great quality of Hanumana is that He makes people - sort of an arbitrator He is. He makes people meet each other and two egoistical people, He will make them meet and then He’ll create such situation that they both become friends and become mild. So, His whole character within us acts us to see our ego, discriminate that, “Oh, this is my ego that is working”, and then to become childlike and sweet, mirthful and happy. He’s always in a dancing mood, all the time He’s dancing and before Rama He’s always bowed down, and always wants to do whatever is the desire of Shri Rama. So if Ganesha stands behind Me, Hanumana stands here at My feet. And He’s there. In the same way I would say if Germany, as Philip, he has asked Me, that if Germany can become like Hanumana, then what a dynamic force we have, if they become so subservient. And the subservient nature of Hanumana is seen to such an extent that as you know the story of Sita when She gave a necklace to Him and He wouldn’t wear it, because inside there was no Ram. Once Sita felt that all the time He is around and so He’s sort of cutting out His privacy… Her privacy. So She said, “Now, You can be there only for one work, You should not to do every work.” He used to do every work of Shri Rama. “Except for one work You should be there, choose whichever work You want to do.” He said that, “Only, you see, I would like to be with Shri Ram, that whenever He sneezes I should do like this.” [Finger-snapping] You see, in India, when we sneeze, we have to do like this with this because the sneezing, you see, to avoid all the negativity to go out [in?]. So we do like this, if you sneeze. Or, if you feel sleepy and you yawn, then also we do like that, mostly. So He said, “Whenever He’ll yawn, You allow Me just to - this we call as chutki, I don’t know what you call this - chutki. “Allow Me to do this.” Sita said, “This is something very little work, you see, this fellow then will be out of sight.” So He stood there. So She said, “Now, why are You standing here?” “I am waiting for that. So how can I go?” And that’s how She granted, first She granted, “All right, given to you this job.” Now She can’t take it back because She’s granted this job. So He is always there like this, standing, just to do this to Shri Ram. So, I mean, the sweetness of the whole thing is that every time, every minute He is subservient, He’s attentive, He’s there. Also in Sahaja Yoga I have relationships with you as a Guru, as a Mother, and I don’t know, unlimited. But still, these two relationships we know of that I am your Mother and I’m your Guru. Now, as a Guru, My main concern is that you should learn all about Sahaja Yoga. You should become experts of Sahaja Yoga and you should become yourself the gurus. It’s the only concern I have. But for that complete surrender is required. Islam means surrender. So, you have to surrender. If you are surrendered then only you can learn what is the way you will handle Sahaja Yoga. Now, even this surrendering is done by Shri Hanumana. He’s the one who teaches you how to surrender or makes you surrender, because egoistical people don’t surrender. Then He puts some sort of hurdles or some sort of miracles or some tricks by which then a disciple surrenders himself to the Guru. Otherwise he’s not surrendered, he finds it difficult to surrender and the force that acts to make him surrender to the Guru is also that of Hanumana. So not that He is only surrendered, but He makes others also to be surrendered, because only of ego you cannot surrender, so He’s the one who fights your ego and He puts it down and makes you surrender. So, in His own expression I would say that what He has shown that there’s a very beautiful area of right side. If it is to be perfectly enjoyed then you should be completely surrendered to your Guru as if you are the servant of that Guru. Whatever you have to do for that Guru, you have to do it. Of course you must know that your Guru has to give you Realization, minimum, otherwise that’s not a guru. But anybody who has given you the Realization, you have to be so surrendered that you should be just like a servant, not to feel shy about it. Like I would now sometimes, you know, I am going by say, I’m going by aeroplane and sometimes I cannot wear My shoes, because they are so swollen up. So normally I would take the shoes in My hands and walk about. But I have seen Sahaja Yogis they pick up My shoes also and walk with it and they don’t feel shy about it. They feel so proud that they are carrying My shoes. So one should feel proud that you are doing all these things, that you have a chance to do all these things for your Guru and that you are surrendering to that Guru, you are absolutely only bothered as to how you can serve the Guru, how you can please the Guru and how you could be closer together. It doesn’t mean physical closeness but a kind of a rapport, a kind of an understanding. Even those who are away from Me can feel Me in their heart. And this is what it is that we have to get this power from Shri Hanumana. Now, He’s the one who protects also all the deities, He protects. Now, there’s a difference between Shri Ganesha and Him. The Shri Ganesha gives energy Shakti, but the one who protects is Shri Hanumana. So you’ll find that when Shri Krishna was the chariot[eer] of Arjuna then on top of the chariot was sitting Hanumana, not Shri Ganesh. Hanumana was sitting there looking after Him. Also in a way that Shri Rama Himself becomes Shri Vishnu, so He has to look after Him. He is an angel as you know, according to Christian, we should say, according to Bible, that He is the angel called Gabriel. Now, Gabriel is the one who brought the message, because He’s always a messenger, to Maria and surprisingly the words He used were “Immaculata Salve”. That’s My name. My first name is Nirmala, means Immaculata and surname is Salve. He said those words to Her. And today also, I was surprised when it came to giving Me a present they found a tea-set and dinner-set which is called as “Maria”. So Maria has to do quite a lot with Hanumana all Her life. That means Maria is the Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi being the Sita, Sita, then Radha, Hanumana has to be there to serve Her. And that is why, you see, sometimes people say, “Mother, how did You know? Mother, how did You come to know? Mother, how did You send the message? Mother, how did You work it out?” Can you imagine? This is Shri Hanumana’s headache, He does it. Anything passes through My mind He just takes it up and it’s done, because as I told you that His whole organization is so well planned, all these messages from where do they get? Many people say, “Mother, I just prayed to You.” There was a gentleman whose mother was very sick and he went to see her and she was just going to die, with cancer. So he said, “I didn’t know what to do, so I just prayed to You, Mother, please save my mother.” Now, the sincerity of that person, the depth of that person as a Sahaja Yogi, Hanumana knows. He knows what is the weight of this person is. And immediately, you’ll be surprised, within three days, the woman who was going to die, survived, she got all right. He brought her to Bombay and the doctor said, “She has no cancer.” Many things which you call miracles are done by Shri Hanumana. He’s the one who is the doer of miracles. He does miracles also to show how stupid you are, how foolish you are, because He is on the right side, see He goes to the ego-side. Now, with the ego a human being is always, becomes stupid and that’s, I mean, inevitable. With ego they become so stupid, “Oh, what’s wrong?” And that’s why you’ll find many people doing such stupid things we can’t understand why they do it. They say, “What’s wrong?” What’s wrong is that Hanumana doesn’t like it, is the point, and then it recoils. When they act stupidly it recoils and then they know that we have done such a big mistake or it was all stupid. But sometimes it could be extremely, extremely difficult to retrace back like the diseases, as I call it the “yuppie’s-disease” which is now impossible, because Hanumana has taken away the electromagnetic force from these people and doesn’t work, it doesn’t relate to your conscious mind, so your conscious mind cannot act, it just goes off. Only these people if they worship Hanumana with the same devotion, then maybe they might be saved. But it’s not an easy thing to convince these stupid yuppies, you see, about anything. They say, “We don’t believe, so what.” So what, you die, what else? That’s the only life left for you. And you do that. There are so many aspects of Hanumana which I could have told you, but for example, for His body, you see, like Shiva is covered with the 'geru', what you call 'geru' is a - that’s a kind of a, you know that 'geru' is, it’s a red-colored stone which is very, very, it is very hot and supposing with the cold sometimes you develop those rashes. So if you put 'geru', those rashes are corrected. Or you get, due to baddha, sometimes some sort of skin-diseases, which are cured with 'geru'. Because it is the one which is very hot and it soothes you down. On the contrary, Shri Ganesha is covered with lead-oxide, with a red lead-oxide, which is extremely cold. Lead-oxide is a very cool thing. If you touch lead, you see, is a very cool thing. So, that lead-oxide is used to cover all His body, is to balance the heat that He has or the effects of heat He has. So we call it, in Sanskrit language is called as sindhur, and also in Marathi or Hindi called shindhur. So, you must find always, this is the color of that thing. So, luckily I got this sari in Vienna and I have it very nice for this occasion. So He’s always covered with that color, what you call this sindhur color. And lead-oxide, though they say it causes cancer, people say that lead-oxide can cause you cancer, but it is the lead-oxide which is very cool, it can cool you down so much that you can go to the left side and cancer is a psychosomatic disease and that might be the reason, it might cause - in a very far fetched way, we can say, can cause cancer, too, because if it is too cold and all that and then you go to the left side and on the left side you can catch the viruses by which you can get into troubles. So, but the same lead-oxide is all right for people who are very right-sided. For them if it is put on their Agnya it cools them down, they are cooled down. And it’s very good for them to put on their Agnya so that they are cooled down. Their anger goes down, their temper goes down and it’s a very good thing. So, He is the one who cures our anger, He’s the one who cures our hastiness, our speediness, our aggressiveness, He’s the one who does it. Now, He played a trick on Hitler. How? Hitler was using Shri Ganesha as a symbol. So this swastika was made in a clockwise manner. Then Hanumana played a trick on him. What He did, He made the stencil which they were using for making the, what you call, for making the swastika, He put it somehow or other, lot of… I mean, He made it in such a way that they said, “We should use the other side.” As soon as they used the other side, it’s Hanumana’s trick. I suggested to Him but, I mean, He played the trick. They started using Ganesha from the other side. The same Ganesha about whom Shri Hanumana was worried, how can He surpass Shri Ganesha? Because He is the eldest and how can you go beyond Him? And He is a deity and Hanumana is an angel. So, as soon as the trick was played, then both of them put together stopped Hitler from winning. This is how the trick was played. So, all these little, little tricks, you see, are there. Once, I remember, I had My Puja in Germany and Germany is the place where these tricks are played very much by Hanumana, because I’ve told you, that they are the ones who require Him the most. So there was, in Germany, there was a puja and in the puja by mistake they put it the other way round, by mistake. I didn’t see, I normally, I always watch very carefully, but I don’t know why that day I didn’t see it - must be also Hanumana’s trick - and when I saw I said, “Oh God, where is it going to now hurt? Where is it going to work out? Which country it is going to hit? It did not hit Germany, it hit England. Because England, I’ve worked so hard there and they have been so negligent about Sahaja Yoga, so lethargic about it, that it just went and hit there. So, He is the one who goes like a torrential rain or can go like a speedy, very speedy tempest and destroy things. So He works out all these things through His electromagnetic forces. So all the matter, all the matter is under His control, all the matter is under His control. And He’s the one who creates rain for you, who creates sun for you, He creates breeze for you. He’s the one who does all these things, just to have a proper puja, to have a proper meeting, everything He works out so beautifully and nobody even knows that it is Shri Hanumana who has done it, and we should thank Shri Hanumana all the time. For the today’s thing, I mean, if I have to talk about Him I’ll take hours together, but only thing I have to say that it’s such a blessing I feel that we have this in this palace, Shri Hanumana’s Puja. Because He was always a very majestic deity or a angel and that, in a place where it is so majestic and beautifully done, everything is there, and… He would like that. He is not a sanyasi type of a person, He’s not an ascetic. Normally right-sided people are ascetic, they become Bauhaus, they’ll make right-sided people, they all will have everything simple, they would like to shave off their nose also, if possible, on the faces. So you see, the other way round, Hanumana is not doing, Hanumana likes beauty, He likes decorativeness and He makes people non-ascetic. So, Hanumana gives you this kind of a thing. But many people who are worshippers of Hanumana always say that those ladies should never go and take the darshan of Hanuman, because Hanumana is a brahmachari, is the one who is… who doesn’t want women to see Him because He doesn’t wear full clothes and He has very little clothes on Himself, so He doesn’t want women to see Him. But if women think, “He is just a child”, then it’s just the same. But this idea, I think that people don’t have, that He is a child. What is for a child, how many clothes he wears or doesn’t wear, what does it matter? Then He is a monkey: monkeys are not supposed to wear clothes. So whatever He wears is quite a lot and it doesn’t give you the feeling at all that He is in any way nude or anything, but you just see such a sweet form of Him, such a sweet form. I wish, sometimes you get His photograph also as you have got the photographs of Shri Ganesha, then you’ll really fall in love with Him, He’s such a sweet thing. And though He is so huge and so big and though He has nails but when He caresses My feet, He pulls back His nails, He is so gentle, extremely gentle and very beautifully He caresses My feet. And I’ve seen Him the way He handles everything, it’s extremely gentle ways. So that’s what I feel that now Germans are becoming very gentle in handling things, in handling people. This change is coming and I think is the blessing of Hanumana on them. So may God bless you. Now, so today we need not do Ganesha Puja though once you can wash My Feet with some song. Because always before every puja one has to do Ganesha Puja, but need not be that elaborate. Where is Barbara? Ask her to get some hot water bottle because Ganesha’s cooling Me down, Hanumana is cooling Me down completely. It’s Hanumana you see He’s cooling Me down completely here from the back. And just now see how cool it’s becoming, the whole place, talking about Him. This is the present from Russia and here, see now, the color of Hanumana is exactly like My sari. And this is Hanumana, the Gabriel, just imagine: this is a Russian folk story, so Russians knew that He used to wear clothes of this color – just imagine. And He’s sitting on a horse, and also it is said that it is Gabriel who told Mohammed Sahib about the seven… He gave a horse to Mohammed Sahib to see to seven Heavens, you see, He gave. Yes, to see God Almighty on His greatness, that is the seven chakras, so Hanumana gave Him. It’s correct. Because Mohammed Sahib was on the left-hand side, He had a Chandra-Ma; so He gave Him. So this is a beautiful piece. You should keep it there… But it’s made in Germany, made in Germany.

Shri Hanumana Puja. Frankfurt (Germany), 31 August 1990. You can sit here also, some of you, it’s good… I think you can come here, there is room. Some of you can move here so that they can also come here, so it won’t be a problem. You sit in front here. They are better, you see. Good. Open this door, would be all right. It’s all right, you can open the door if you like. It’s all right. Better open – these doors cannot be opened? They don’t open? Oh, my God! You need a tall person. You need Hanumana! Take His name and He’ll open! Keep a chair in front of that. Today we have come here to do Hanumana’s Puja. Shri Hanumana is a great character in our being and He runs all the way from Swadishthana to your brain and He supplies all the necessary guidance we need in our futuristic planning or in our mental activities. He gives us guidance and protection. As you know that Germany is a place where people are very active, very right-sided, use their brain too much and they are very machine-oriented also. It is very surprising how a deity like Shri Hanumana, who is an eternal child, because He was like a monkey. His head was that of a monkey, if not of an elephant. So He was an eternal child and He was the one who was used to run the right side of human beings. He was told that, “You must control the sun”, to begin with He has to control the sun, that the sun in the people, if there is too much sun then He must try to control it and make it cooler or smoother. So, He was a child after all, so as soon He was born, when He knew that He has to look after the sun He said, “Why not eat it off?” so He ran up the Virata’s body and ate up the Surya. There He had to be told, “No, no, no, no. You have to control Him, You don’t have to put Him inside your stomach”, because He thought that this sun will be controlled better if He has it in His own stomach. So the beauty of His character is that He’s a child, and the child-like behavior of Shri Hanumana has to control the right side, if there’s a right-sided mother or a right-sided father. Normally right-sided people don’t get children, normally. They’re over-right-sided, then even they get children but they are really not liked by the children, because they have no time for children, they all the time are very strict with the children, they shout at them, they don’t know how to handle the children. Or they are over-indulgent, because they always think that, “I never got this, so let me give it to the child.” So these extreme type of people who are right-sided have got this Hanumana who is nothing but a child. He is very anxious, very anxious to do the work of Shri Rama. Now, Shri Rama is a character I would say, which is full of balance, absolutely. He’s the benevolent king which Socrates has described. So He needed somebody with Him all the time to do the work or to supply Him or to help Him, like a secretary you can call Him, and Shri Hanumana was the one who was created for this purpose. Now Shri Rama [Shri Mataji may mean Shri Hanumana] was such a assistant, I mean, you cannot have such a word for him, you can say, such a servant of Shri Rama. Even the servants, you see, don’t have that much of dedication for their master. You can say, like a dog or a horse, but that also doesn’t have. Such dedication for Shri Rama that by the time He grew up He got nine siddhis, navadha siddhis. Nine siddhis He got. These siddhis are like this that He could become big, He could become so heavy that nobody could lift Him, He could become so sukshmana that nobody could see Him, He could become so subtle that nobody could see Him. There are nine siddhis that He got. So, a person who has got the right side too much in him, He controls him with these nine siddhis. Now, how will He control a man who is running very fast in his life? What He does is to control his movement, He makes him in such a way that he has to put down his speed. He makes his feet very heavy, now he can’t do that much. Or He makes his hands very heavy so the person cannot work very much with his hands. So He can give a tremendous kind of a lethargic heaviness to a person who is a very right-sided person. He has got another siddhis, which are very interesting is that He can extend His – He doesn’t have many weapons, He has only one gadha in His hand and He can extend His tail to any extent and He can handle people with His tail, He does not have to use His hand. Sitting down here, He can put the tail around anywhere. If He wants He can just make a mountain of His tail and sit on that. Like He has all these monkey-tricks as you call them, you see, and all these tricks He has within Himself is to control a person who is extremely right-sided, to begin with. Then He can fly in the air. Just…He doesn’t have any wings, but He can just fly in the air. That means He can become so big that the amount of air He displaces has much more weight than His own weight - just the same principle Archimedes, if you know the Archimedes principle - that He becomes so big that His body starts floating in the air. Like a boat, you see, you can call it. And He can fly in the air, and by flying in the air He can carry the message from one to another through the ether. Now, the subtle of the ether that we have is under the command of Shri Hanumana. He is the one who controls, or is the Lord of this ether, the subtle of the ether. Or say, the causal of the ether. And through it, it communicates. All the communications that you find like we have within ourselves also - ductless glands, which our pituitary is using ductless glands is through Hanumana’s movement, because He can go into a nirakar, He can go into a formless state. Also the communications, we know for this communication that we have, maybe we can say that there is a… we have got a loudspeaker, but we have a television, we have got radios and all those things. Where we catch on to the ether, anything, is all the blessings of Hanumana and are available to people who are right-sided. Only the right-sided people discover these things of the space which we call as a cordless telephone or a thing without... we have also telegraphs where we don’t use any wires. So, without any connection through the ether He can manage. So, all the ethereal connections has been done by this great engineer, Shri Hanumana. And it is so perfect, it’s so perfect that you cannot challenge it and you cannot find faults with it. Maybe your instruments may not be all right, but as far as His ethereal work is concerned He’s perfectly there. Now the scientists discover it and think that it is in the nature. But they never think, “How can it be?” We say something in the ether and how is it, it is received on the other end? They just take it for granted, that it is so that we say something here or we relay something on the television and it is seen the other side. But they never even think or search out how it is done, what is the way, and this is what is the work of Shri Hanumana, who has done such a beautiful network and through that network all these things work out. So, even on the right side the vibrations we get in the molecules, as you know that we get molecules like sulfur dioxide, if you have the sulfur has two oxygen and the oxygen goes on pulsating like that. They are asymmetric, symmetric type of vibrations, you all must be knowing about it. So, all these things, symmetric and asymmetric vibrations are created by whom? Nobody wants to know. Nobody wants to find out, because after all in an atom or a - imagine, in a molecule that deep, who does that job? Is done by Shri Hanumana in His subtle ways. So, He has another great siddhi, which we call as anima. Anima, anu, anu means a molecule, and that means it can enter into a molecule or renu is the atom - it can enter into molecule or into atom. Now, many scientists think that in the modern times they discovered the molecules. It’s not so, because it’s already in our oldest scriptures description of anima is there, is of anu, renu is there. So, is already described there. Now then, wherever you see the electromagnetic forces working it is worked through Hanumana’s blessings. He’s the one who creates electro-magnetic forces. So now, we can see that as Ganesha has got the magnetic force in Him, He’s the magnet, He has got the magnetic force, then we can say the electro-magnetic is the one which we call as Hanumana’s force, on the material side of it. But from the matter He goes up to the brain. So, He rises from Swadishthana up to the brain so, in the brain also He creates the co-relationships of the different sides of our brain. So how much He gives us, I mean, we can say if Ganesha gives us the wisdom, then He gives us the power to think. He protects us also that we should not think of bad things. That is we can say that, that if Ganesha gives us the wisdom, then Shri Hanumana gives us the conscience. I hope you understand the difference between the two. Wisdom is where you do not need conscience so much because you are wise: you know what is good, what is bad. But conscience is needed in a personality where he is to be controlled and that control comes from Shri Hanumana which is the conscience in the human being. Now, this conscience, which is Shri Hanumana, is the subtle form of Him, which gives us - is in Sanskrit called as satasatvivekabuddhi, means, sat means truth, asat means untruth and viveka means the discrimination and buddhi means the intelligence. So, intelligence to discriminate between the truth and untruth is given to us by Shri Hanumana. In the Sahaja Yoga system, if we say that Ganesha is the one who gives us, He’s the adyaksha, means He is the, I call Him as the chancellor of the university. He is the one who goes on degree to us, “Now, you have crossed this chakra, that chakra, that chakra.” And He helps us to know that what state we are in. So, the Ganesha gives us say, nirvichara samadhi, which we can call it as the thoughtless awareness, and nirvikalpa samadhi. He gives all that and also He gives us joy. But the understanding that “this is good, this is for our benevolence” - mental understanding - comes to us from Shri Hanumana. And it’s very important for Western people because it has to be mental otherwise they won’t understand. If it is not mental they cannot come into abstract, it has to be mental. And so the mental understanding of whether it is good or bad is given to us by Shri Hanumana. Without Him, even if you become a saint, you will be - of course you are a saint and you will enjoy the saintliness, but whether this saintliness is - all right, if you live on Himalayas, or is all right when you go across to people to give them realization - all the scanning, this vivekabuddhi, all the scanning, all this discrimination, all this guidance, all this protection is given to us by Shri Hanumana. Germany, being a country, which is very, very much, I should say, an essence of right side. And because of it being such an essence of right side is important to get the protector of right side here worshipped. But in all that vivekabuddhi, in that discrimination, He knows one thing, that He’s absolutely subservient to Shri Rama. Now what is Shri Rama? Shri Rama is the benevolent king. He works for the benevolence. And Shri Rama himself is a formal king, like sankocha, we call it, I mean, English words are not so good to explain this, but Shri Rama is the one who will not push forward Himself. He keeps back. He’s very balanced, He is very poised person. So the Hanumana, you see, He is the one who is always anxious to do the work of Shri Rama, always. If Shri Rama says, “All right, you go and get the…” He told Him, “Go and get the sanjeevani”, is the kind of a herb that was needed to bring Lakshmana to life. He went there and He brought the whole mountain with Him, “Now better have it.” It’s like that sort of a person, you see. So, He brought the – that’s childlike behavior of His. And the discrimination in this is that, “That if Shri Rama has asked for, whatever He’ll ask for I’ll do it.” So, is a relationship of a, I would say, like a guru and shishya. But even more than that, that the shishya is just like a subservient servant, absolutely surrendered to God. Absolutely surrendered to God and His main thing is surrender. Now see this surrender itself shows that all those who are right-sided people are surrendered, to God. Not surrendered to their bosses. Mostly all those right-sided people are very surrendered to their bosses, surrendered to their jobs, sometimes surrendered to their wives also, but they are subservient to wrong people, they have no discretion. You’ll always find that, they have no discretion. But if you take the help of Hanumana, then He tells you that you have to be surrendered to God Almighty and not to anybody else, or to your Guru like Rama. Otherwise you are not to be surrendered to anybody else and then you are a free bird and you have all the nine powers within yourself. Hanumana’s whole thing is to antidote your over-activity, to antidote your too-much-thinking, to antidote your ego. Now, how He finishes the ego of people is very sweetly shown when He burnt the whole of Lanka, is the capital of Ravana. And the way He made fun of him, because you see, anybody who is egoistical, one must make fun of him, then he’s all right. Like first He went and when Ravana saw Him he said, “Who are you? Who are you, the monkey.” So He just pushed His tail towards him and tickled his nose with His tail. So, He’s the one who makes fun of egoistical people. Now, if somebody egoistical tries to trouble you He’s the one, He’ll make such fun out of him, that you’ll be amazed how this fellow was jumping like a Humpty-Dumpty has fallen down and has broken his crown. So, see it is the job of Hanumana to protect you from egoistical people. And also He protects the egoistical people by showing them down. Like say, Saddam, in the case of Saddam I just asked Hanumana to do the job because I know He’ll do it. Now, how He has put this Saddam into different circumstances that he doesn’t know what to do. He doesn’t know how to go because supposing he says, “All right, I’ll have war.” So the whole of Iraq will be finished, he’ll be finished, Kuwait will be finished, all petrol will be finished, all right, everybody will be in trouble. But what about him, he won’t be there, too. Because if the Americans have to fight they’ll go in his place and fight. They won’t fight in America, he’s not going to go to America to fight them. Few Americans may be dead. So now, in this Saddam’s brain also Hanumana is working and telling him, “Now see, Mister, if you do like this, then this will happen.” He works into the brains of all the politicians, all these egoistical people. And then they get sometimes stunned, sometimes they change their policies, they come round and that’s how they manage. Also another great quality of Hanumana is that He makes people - sort of an arbitrator He is. He makes people meet each other and two egoistical people, He will make them meet and then He’ll create such situation that they both become friends and become mild. So, His whole character within us acts us to see our ego, discriminate that, “Oh, this is my ego that is working”, and then to become childlike and sweet, mirthful and happy. He’s always in a dancing mood, all the time He’s dancing and before Rama He’s always bowed down, and always wants to do whatever is the desire of Shri Rama. So if Ganesha stands behind Me, Hanumana stands here at My feet. And He’s there. In the same way I would say if Germany, as Philip, he has asked Me, that if Germany can become like Hanumana, then what a dynamic force we have, if they become so subservient. And the subservient nature of Hanumana is seen to such an extent that as you know the story of Sita when She gave a necklace to Him and He wouldn’t wear it, because inside there was no Ram. Once Sita felt that all the time He is around and so He’s sort of cutting out His privacy… Her privacy. So She said, “Now, You can be there only for one work, You should not to do every work.” He used to do every work of Shri Rama. “Except for one work You should be there, choose whichever work You want to do.” He said that, “Only, you see, I would like to be with Shri Ram, that whenever He sneezes I should do like this.” [Finger-snapping] You see, in India, when we sneeze, we have to do like this with this because the sneezing, you see, to avoid all the negativity to go out [in?]. So we do like this, if you sneeze. Or, if you feel sleepy and you yawn, then also we do like that, mostly. So He said, “Whenever He’ll yawn, You allow Me just to - this we call as chutki, I don’t know what you call this - chutki. “Allow Me to do this.” Sita said, “This is something very little work, you see, this fellow then will be out of sight.” So He stood there. So She said, “Now, why are You standing here?” “I am waiting for that. So how can I go?” And that’s how She granted, first She granted, “All right, given to you this job.” Now She can’t take it back because She’s granted this job. So He is always there like this, standing, just to do this to Shri Ram. So, I mean, the sweetness of the whole thing is that every time, every minute He is subservient, He’s attentive, He’s there. Also in Sahaja Yoga I have relationships with you as a Guru, as a Mother, and I don’t know, unlimited. But still, these two relationships we know of that I am your Mother and I’m your Guru. Now, as a Guru, My main concern is that you should learn all about Sahaja Yoga. You should become experts of Sahaja Yoga and you should become yourself the gurus. It’s the only concern I have. But for that complete surrender is required. Islam means surrender. So, you have to surrender. If you are surrendered then only you can learn what is the way you will handle Sahaja Yoga. Now, even this surrendering is done by Shri Hanumana. He’s the one who teaches you how to surrender or makes you surrender, because egoistical people don’t surrender. Then He puts some sort of hurdles or some sort of miracles or some tricks by which then a disciple surrenders himself to the Guru. Otherwise he’s not surrendered, he finds it difficult to surrender and the force that acts to make him surrender to the Guru is also that of Hanumana. So not that He is only surrendered, but He makes others also to be surrendered, because only of ego you cannot surrender, so He’s the one who fights your ego and He puts it down and makes you surrender. So, in His own expression I would say that what He has shown that there’s a very beautiful area of right side. If it is to be perfectly enjoyed then you should be completely surrendered to your Guru as if you are the servant of that Guru. Whatever you have to do for that Guru, you have to do it. Of course you must know that your Guru has to give you Realization, minimum, otherwise that’s not a guru. But anybody who has given you the Realization, you have to be so surrendered that you should be just like a servant, not to feel shy about it. Like I would now sometimes, you know, I am going by say, I’m going by aeroplane and sometimes I cannot wear My shoes, because they are so swollen up. So normally I would take the shoes in My hands and walk about. But I have seen Sahaja Yogis they pick up My shoes also and walk with it and they don’t feel shy about it. They feel so proud that they are carrying My shoes. So one should feel proud that you are doing all these things, that you have a chance to do all these things for your Guru and that you are surrendering to that Guru, you are absolutely only bothered as to how you can serve the Guru, how you can please the Guru and how you could be closer together. It doesn’t mean physical closeness but a kind of a rapport, a kind of an understanding. Even those who are away from Me can feel Me in their heart. And this is what it is that we have to get this power from Shri Hanumana. Now, He’s the one who protects also all the deities, He protects. Now, there’s a difference between Shri Ganesha and Him. The Shri Ganesha gives energy Shakti, but the one who protects is Shri Hanumana. So you’ll find that when Shri Krishna was the chariot[eer] of Arjuna then on top of the chariot was sitting Hanumana, not Shri Ganesh. Hanumana was sitting there looking after Him. Also in a way that Shri Rama Himself becomes Shri Vishnu, so He has to look after Him. He is an angel as you know, according to Christian, we should say, according to Bible, that He is the angel called Gabriel. Now, Gabriel is the one who brought the message, because He’s always a messenger, to Maria and surprisingly the words He used were “Immaculata Salve”. That’s My name. My first name is Nirmala, means Immaculata and surname is Salve. He said those words to Her. And today also, I was surprised when it came to giving Me a present they found a tea-set and dinner-set which is called as “Maria”. So Maria has to do quite a lot with Hanumana all Her life. That means Maria is the Mahalakshmi. Mahalakshmi being the Sita, Sita, then Radha, Hanumana has to be there to serve Her. And that is why, you see, sometimes people say, “Mother, how did You know? Mother, how did You come to know? Mother, how did You send the message? Mother, how did You work it out?” Can you imagine? This is Shri Hanumana’s headache, He does it. Anything passes through My mind He just takes it up and it’s done, because as I told you that His whole organization is so well planned, all these messages from where do they get? Many people say, “Mother, I just prayed to You.” There was a gentleman whose mother was very sick and he went to see her and she was just going to die, with cancer. So he said, “I didn’t know what to do, so I just prayed to You, Mother, please save my mother.” Now, the sincerity of that person, the depth of that person as a Sahaja Yogi, Hanumana knows. He knows what is the weight of this person is. And immediately, you’ll be surprised, within three days, the woman who was going to die, survived, she got all right. He brought her to Bombay and the doctor said, “She has no cancer.” Many things which you call miracles are done by Shri Hanumana. He’s the one who is the doer of miracles. He does miracles also to show how stupid you are, how foolish you are, because He is on the right side, see He goes to the ego-side. Now, with the ego a human being is always, becomes stupid and that’s, I mean, inevitable. With ego they become so stupid, “Oh, what’s wrong?” And that’s why you’ll find many people doing such stupid things we can’t understand why they do it. They say, “What’s wrong?” What’s wrong is that Hanumana doesn’t like it, is the point, and then it recoils. When they act stupidly it recoils and then they know that we have done such a big mistake or it was all stupid. But sometimes it could be extremely, extremely difficult to retrace back like the diseases, as I call it the “yuppie’s-disease” which is now impossible, because Hanumana has taken away the electromagnetic force from these people and doesn’t work, it doesn’t relate to your conscious mind, so your conscious mind cannot act, it just goes off. Only these people if they worship Hanumana with the same devotion, then maybe they might be saved. But it’s not an easy thing to convince these stupid yuppies, you see, about anything. They say, “We don’t believe, so what.” So what, you die, what else? That’s the only life left for you. And you do that. There are so many aspects of Hanumana which I could have told you, but for example, for His body, you see, like Shiva is covered with the 'geru', what you call 'geru' is a - that’s a kind of a, you know that 'geru' is, it’s a red-colored stone which is very, very, it is very hot and supposing with the cold sometimes you develop those rashes. So if you put 'geru', those rashes are corrected. Or you get, due to baddha, sometimes some sort of skin-diseases, which are cured with 'geru'. Because it is the one which is very hot and it soothes you down. On the contrary, Shri Ganesha is covered with lead-oxide, with a red lead-oxide, which is extremely cold. Lead-oxide is a very cool thing. If you touch lead, you see, is a very cool thing. So, that lead-oxide is used to cover all His body, is to balance the heat that He has or the effects of heat He has. So we call it, in Sanskrit language is called as sindhur, and also in Marathi or Hindi called shindhur. So, you must find always, this is the color of that thing. So, luckily I got this sari in Vienna and I have it very nice for this occasion. So He’s always covered with that color, what you call this sindhur color. And lead-oxide, though they say it causes cancer, people say that lead-oxide can cause you cancer, but it is the lead-oxide which is very cool, it can cool you down so much that you can go to the left side and cancer is a psychosomatic disease and that might be the reason, it might cause - in a very far fetched way, we can say, can cause cancer, too, because if it is too cold and all that and then you go to the left side and on the left side you can catch the viruses by which you can get into troubles. So, but the same lead-oxide is all right for people who are very right-sided. For them if it is put on their Agnya it cools them down, they are cooled down. And it’s very good for them to put on their Agnya so that they are cooled down. Their anger goes down, their temper goes down and it’s a very good thing. So, He is the one who cures our anger, He’s the one who cures our hastiness, our speediness, our aggressiveness, He’s the one who does it. Now, He played a trick on Hitler. How? Hitler was using Shri Ganesha as a symbol. So this swastika was made in a clockwise manner. Then Hanumana played a trick on him. What He did, He made the stencil which they were using for making the, what you call, for making the swastika, He put it somehow or other, lot of… I mean, He made it in such a way that they said, “We should use the other side.” As soon as they used the other side, it’s Hanumana’s trick. I suggested to Him but, I mean, He played the trick. They started using Ganesha from the other side. The same Ganesha about whom Shri Hanumana was worried, how can He surpass Shri Ganesha? Because He is the eldest and how can you go beyond Him? And He is a deity and Hanumana is an angel. So, as soon as the trick was played, then both of them put together stopped Hitler from winning. This is how the trick was played. So, all these little, little tricks, you see, are there. Once, I remember, I had My Puja in Germany and Germany is the place where these tricks are played very much by Hanumana, because I’ve told you, that they are the ones who require Him the most. So there was, in Germany, there was a puja and in the puja by mistake they put it the other way round, by mistake. I didn’t see, I normally, I always watch very carefully, but I don’t know why that day I didn’t see it - must be also Hanumana’s trick - and when I saw I said, “Oh God, where is it going to now hurt? Where is it going to work out? Which country it is going to hit? It did not hit Germany, it hit England. Because England, I’ve worked so hard there and they have been so negligent about Sahaja Yoga, so lethargic about it, that it just went and hit there. So, He is the one who goes like a torrential rain or can go like a speedy, very speedy tempest and destroy things. So He works out all these things through His electromagnetic forces. So all the matter, all the matter is under His control, all the matter is under His control. And He’s the one who creates rain for you, who creates sun for you, He creates breeze for you. He’s the one who does all these things, just to have a proper puja, to have a proper meeting, everything He works out so beautifully and nobody even knows that it is Shri Hanumana who has done it, and we should thank Shri Hanumana all the time. For the today’s thing, I mean, if I have to talk about Him I’ll take hours together, but only thing I have to say that it’s such a blessing I feel that we have this in this palace, Shri Hanumana’s Puja. Because He was always a very majestic deity or a angel and that, in a place where it is so majestic and beautifully done, everything is there, and… He would like that. He is not a sanyasi type of a person, He’s not an ascetic. Normally right-sided people are ascetic, they become Bauhaus, they’ll make right-sided people, they all will have everything simple, they would like to shave off their nose also, if possible, on the faces. So you see, the other way round, Hanumana is not doing, Hanumana likes beauty, He likes decorativeness and He makes people non-ascetic. So, Hanumana gives you this kind of a thing. But many people who are worshippers of Hanumana always say that those ladies should never go and take the darshan of Hanuman, because Hanumana is a brahmachari, is the one who is… who doesn’t want women to see Him because He doesn’t wear full clothes and He has very little clothes on Himself, so He doesn’t want women to see Him. But if women think, “He is just a child”, then it’s just the same. But this idea, I think that people don’t have, that He is a child. What is for a child, how many clothes he wears or doesn’t wear, what does it matter? Then He is a monkey: monkeys are not supposed to wear clothes. So whatever He wears is quite a lot and it doesn’t give you the feeling at all that He is in any way nude or anything, but you just see such a sweet form of Him, such a sweet form. I wish, sometimes you get His photograph also as you have got the photographs of Shri Ganesha, then you’ll really fall in love with Him, He’s such a sweet thing. And though He is so huge and so big and though He has nails but when He caresses My feet, He pulls back His nails, He is so gentle, extremely gentle and very beautifully He caresses My feet. And I’ve seen Him the way He handles everything, it’s extremely gentle ways. So that’s what I feel that now Germans are becoming very gentle in handling things, in handling people. This change is coming and I think is the blessing of Hanumana on them. So may God bless you. Now, so today we need not do Ganesha Puja though once you can wash My Feet with some song. Because always before every puja one has to do Ganesha Puja, but need not be that elaborate. Where is Barbara? Ask her to get some hot water bottle because Ganesha’s cooling Me down, Hanumana is cooling Me down completely. It’s Hanumana you see He’s cooling Me down completely here from the back. And just now see how cool it’s becoming, the whole place, talking about Him. This is the present from Russia and here, see now, the color of Hanumana is exactly like My sari. And this is Hanumana, the Gabriel, just imagine: this is a Russian folk story, so Russians knew that He used to wear clothes of this color – just imagine. And He’s sitting on a horse, and also it is said that it is Gabriel who told Mohammed Sahib about the seven… He gave a horse to Mohammed Sahib to see to seven Heavens, you see, He gave. Yes, to see God Almighty on His greatness, that is the seven chakras, so Hanumana gave Him. It’s correct. Because Mohammed Sahib was on the left-hand side, He had a Chandra-Ma; so He gave Him. So this is a beautiful piece. You should keep it there… But it’s made in Germany, made in Germany.

9/12/1990

http://amruta.org/?p=3998

Shri Mahakali Puja: Purity and Collectivity

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Shri Mahakali puja, “Collectivity & Purity”. Le Raincy (France), 12 September 1990. We have had Bhairava puja in Belgium and now I thought today let us have Mahakali puja because yesterday's experience, last night's experience, was the work of Mahakali. She has a double role all the time, she is at two extremes. On one side, she is full of joy, giver of joy, she’s very happy when she sees her disciples are joyous. Joy is her own quality, is her energy. And yesterday you must have been amazed to see so many middle-aged ladies of France smiling and laughing. I had never seen them smiling! It’s very surprising how they were so joyous and so very happy. And this is the energy of Mahakali, that gives you all that joy after Realisation, and the joy you enjoy among yourselves. All these are the qualities of Mahakali. And when they will read out the names of Mahakali you will know how her powers manifest in Sahaja Yoga and how it has helped you all to get drenched into the ocean of joy. To begin with, I have to tell you one thing that Mahakali puja, when you are doing, you have to feel a joy within yourself, and joy from other Sahaja Yogis. If you cannot feel that, that means you are not yet grown and there’s some problem, maybe with your parents, maybe with your children, maybe your family, with your country, whatever it is. But there’s some sort of a conditioning which is working out that doesn’t give you that joy. And to grow into Sahaja Yoga is very important, which I think people don't understand, even if they live in ashrams. They don't understand one thing that you have to be collective. If you are not collective then you are thrown out, gradually. Now this Mahakali power has got seven strings, you can say, on this. And these strings are there to throw you out into collective subconscious areas. Like, as in the sitar, you have seen, for the resonance, there are other strings, also. So, once you start getting out of the collectivity it is the Mahakali Herself [who] picks you out and starts throwing you out, slowly, slowly, to the subconscious area and where you just disappear. And all kinds of problems start there. I have seen this happening in every country — that people do not attend the collective meditation. For France, I have the same report. And I think the people who do not grow, will be thrown out. Sahaja Yoga, as you know, has a double action, as the Mahakali has a double action: She's extremely loving, full of joy, full of happiness and She’s the one who is extremely cruel, wrathful. She’s the one who is the slayer of all the demons and the evil, and those people who try to do evil. So, once you are thrown out into the Left Side then, you can imagine, you can develop any kind of left-side diseases to begin with, Mooladhara diseases are the worst, you develop diseases like myelitis. You must have heard of the disabilities caused by the muscles getting degenerated. All muscular degeneration comes from this problem. So at any cost that must be avoided. But if you are not in the collective, if you do not understand the collective, and if you are out of the collective, you will be surprised that negative forces will join together and they’ll pull you out. So this is one of the things that happens, so be very careful: don’t avoid the collective programmes. The another problem about Mahakali is that She’s the one who gives you the feeling for your wife, for your husband. She is the one. Now there also, the same problem: if both of them are all right, She is all right. But if She finds any one of them going astray, She'll throw that person out and out and out. And the another person, if that person is attached to that person also, will be thrown out. So this business of falling in love, this nonsense that we have here, that you 'fall in love'. But the word is all right because you 'fall', really, in love. There’s a real falling happens. So what happens, when you start falling in love, there’s a kind of a maya of this Mahakali. And you just get infatuated, your ego gets pampered, or something like that, or you have certain ideas of a wife, or something. And then you think, “Oh, that's the one for me!” So in these cases, only two things can happen. Either you can be lost completely because of your wife or your husband whom you adore and admire! And you are finished, I mean, your personality is finished. Or else, the another thing which is even more serious is that, that you will completely break forever and hate each other. That's why they say that there’s a love and hate relationship. How can love be hate? But it becomes [that], because of this quality of the Goddess, that She is on one side extremely loving, extremely kind, extremely soft, she goes up to a point, and then She throws you on the other side. And that is why in these countries where people always fall in love, they don’t marry otherwise, unless and until they have fallen in love. In that, they cross all the maryadas also. In falling in love, they will marry somebody who is already married or they’ll carry on with somebody who is not yet divorced. Or also they will have marriages among themselves in the same household or something. All kinds of things they do! And an old woman marries a young man, or an old man marries a young girl, like that; all nonsensical things, without any maryadas. And they do not stick together, they have no maryadas. To marry is to create a maryada, maryada of your behaviour. And this is the maryada which, if you do not keep, then this Mahakali gets into it. So, first of all, one has to be collective. The ones who are not collective, who do not attend, every time a collective programme. You might give suggestions, that you would like to come for such and such thing. For example, I have already explained, that you shouldn’t talk — put my [tapes]. There are so many tapes which they have never heard. Let them listen to my tape then go into meditation and then do the aarti and finish it off. Because these tapes are to be heard again and again. Now those who get any questions out of those tapes can, next time, discuss it before starting the tapes. That’s a very good thing and that works. In India, nobody speaks, they just put my tapes on or show my video. After that, they just have meditation and aarti — finished. After that nobody talks. But before starting it, [what] they do is to talk to each other and discuss the problems or discuss anything that they felt about the previous programme. Because you have not come here to marry someone or to fall in love into something. You have not come here to get after some woman because she's your wife or some man because he’s your husband. You have had so many husbands and wives in previous lives. But you have come here for your ascent. And if you have come here for your ascent you have to keep a watch: how is your mind working? Supposing I say that you should have good married life - of course, I do say, you should have good married life, but not at the cost of losing your ascent! It has happened with people. And we have lost a complete city like that. Such stupidity comes up over people. So be careful not to get lost. You have not come here to have only a happy married life but happy married life is just one step. But if that step is taking you away from the real path of your ascent it’s better to be careful. Also, we must understand [that] the innocence means purity, purity of thought, as I explained yesterday. I hope you understood the meaning of purity. Purity is to be understood much more by Europeans — very important — especially French. Because the whole society is suffering. Society can only be pure if the family life is pure, not only that, but [if] your relations with each other are pure. Like, I was told that somebody fell in love in Ganapatipule. I mean, you go for a pilgrimage! It’s like you have to go to buy a sari and you end up with a shaving stick. It’s that stupid. You are coming to Ganapatipule for what? You are coming there for your ascent. It's a pilgrimage. But in the pilgrimage, I have never heard anybody falls in love with each other and goes to marriage. So this bhoot of falling in love must be given up in Sahaja Yoga. That is one of the biggest loads. And, and must understand that purity means chastity. Innocence means chastity, not only physical [but] also mental chastity. You have to have mental chastity. If you don’t have mental chastity you cannot ascend. Actually, in the West it is more mental than physical, is a fact. And that’s why their brains have gone off, and they are becoming just like potatoes now, I think. Because if you go on mentally imagining and playing around and working it out this way, it’s going to be absolutely dangerous because it’s all imagination: it has nothing to do with reality. The more you get into this kind of a nonsense the more you become away from reality. That never means you should be dry, it never means you should be negligent of your responsibility. It does not mean. (Mother coughs and asks for Khadiradi tablet from Her purse: “Majhi purse madhye, khadiradi bati ye ti kadh”) As I have said that the sap in the tree rises then it purifies, it nourishes every part of the plant separately in a different way. Like it’s a mother, so mother, father is a father, sister is a sister, brother is a brother. The brother-sister relations cannot become husband-wife relations! How can it be? “Don, de! Ha Khadiradi bati.” (meaning: “Give me two Khadiradi.”) Now what happens really is that such a confusion in the mind and it has created tremendous problems for us. Then the sap nourishes all these things and comes back. It doesn't get attached to something, “Oh, she’s my wife. So the first priority is my wife.” Because I have said, of course, [that] family life has to be all right, you must look after your family life. But that doesn’t mean that you make everything suffer, that doesn’t mean that your ascent should be finished. It cannot mean that. You are not like ordinary people, you are saints. And for the saints the main thing is their ascent, not their family life, not their material possessions, nothing. Nor their children, but their ascent, once they ascend everything will ascend with it. Now the understanding of chastity should be there. It can come to you very easily if you ascend. It’s such a vicious circle. It is such a vicious circle. Now first of all, you get your Realisation, all right. Now you must know that Kundalini itself is the Mahakali shakti because she’s the primordial. Mahakali shakti is the primordial shakti within us. And it’s the Kundalini [which] is the Mahakali shakti. And She remains as a virgin within you — means She’s purity. She has a power to purify. All that happens when you get your Realisation. She starts manifesting Her all beautiful aspects on you. Now the one who is sitting there is Shri Ganesha. Now people don’t understand what innocence is. Shri Ganesha is sitting there and He is the one who presides [over] all Mooladhara: even over his Mother, because He’s like a guard. And He’s the one who tells whether She can ascend or not. Unless and until He gives permission She cannot ascend. So Shri Ganesha gives the ascending sort of an OK: “All right, you can rise.” And he stops all his work. You have seen me sitting for hours together. I don't have to go even to the bathroom or anywhere because Ganesha stops all his work. He’s only worried now about the ascent and on every chakra he checks your purity and then, accordingly, the Kundalini tries to purify you. But when it reaches the mental level - mental level has all these funny ideas of romance; this nonsense, that nonsense. I was surprised the other day, there was a girl who was having a trouble with her husband of expressing her love to her husband after marriage. Before marriage, she was all right. So I told her, “Read some book where they have described the romance between husband and wife.” So she said, “There is no book I have known.” Then I asked one professor to find out, he said, “There’s no such book!” In Sahaja Yoga, the romance starts after the marriage, but also with maryadas: not at the cost of Sahaja Yoga, not at the cost of your ascent. So all these ideas people have in the West, I know you are so much conditioned about it. So, you say now, “Let us see, this is samayachar after all, we have to give all the benefit to them.” Now we select people, we do everything: it’s all the work of Mahakali. Because you have to work on the vibrations. It's all the work of Mahakali. And after marriages also, some marriages do fail. The reason being they do not know what is the purpose of their marriages. So the first and foremost thing of Mahakali is that She is purity, absolute purity. And that purity if we cannot imbibe within us, we cannot be Sahaja Yogis. Now this mind is so much conditioned, I know. Our children will be much better off than ourselves because they won’t have these conditionings as we have had. And so many problems can be just avoided if you really become pure people. I see, in the other society in which I move, nobody seems to be safe! Somebody’s wife is running with somebody’s husband, somebody’s daughter is running with somebody’s father, somebody’s running, a boy running with somebody’s mother. Next day, you find somebody else standing there [as] husband and wife. Or sometimes it’s so funny that you can’t believe it! How can it be? And everybody’s endangered: a man goes to the house, he finds his wife run away with another man, or a man goes for his work, he’s run away with another woman. So She's the one, She gives you 'stithi' — the state. 'Stithi' means consolidation. Without your proper consolidation — into your purity, not into your romantic life — you cannot rise. Like when we make the aeroplane, first we have to consolidate it — fix it up properly, work it out — so that when it goes in the air, all its parts do not fly away with the passengers. In the same way, when we are ascending Shri Ganesha does that, he just stops the action of excretion completely and the ascent starts. They [the Deities] are doing their work all right, despite the fact they have been insulted, they have been neglected, we have misbehaved, whatever we might have done. They are doing their jobs all right. You can see it, so many people getting Realisation. But what are we doing about it? We cannot be even collective! We cannot attend collective things. And look at them how generous they are! They are extremely collective. They are extremely collective. To such an extent [that, if] somebody, supposing, worships Shri Krishna, his heart will catch. Why? Because you must also worship Shiva. They are so collective and so much connected with me. So they are all collective. In the same way, you are also 'devas', you also should be collective. As soon as you become collective, all these nonsensical things will drop out. All these ideas will drop out. You do not become collective because you have not dropped out all these things, or else you are afraid of dropping them out. So let us know what is our purpose: our purpose is to ascend. And what is the Mahakali power doing for us? She is giving you your ascent through Kundalini. She is purifying you. She is giving you all the powers. She is protecting you all the time. She is giving you joy. But what are we doing for Her? Her only, only desire is that my children should be saintly, that they should have beautiful qualities of a saint, that he doesn’t fall at every woman, fall at every man. He’s not so cheap, you see. And mentally specially, I mean if the Sahasrara is spoilt, how can Sahaja Yoga work out? The whole play is of the Sahasrara. And that purity should manifest. Through you we are going to change the world, through no one else - it’s the Sahaja Yogis who are going to change it. Now look at the generosity, even my body is so generous. Yesterday one lady came, I think she had a very bad liver. She came downstairs and my liver started pumping vibrations — terrible. She had a very bad liver though; she had taken drugs, I mean she had taken drugs and all that [but] suffering was done to me, by this liver of mine. It didn’t think that, “Poor Mother, she’s come all the way after suffering so much.” It started just pumping for that woman. So generous it is. And they are so generous themselves the way they bestow blessings on you people. How they are hard working, how they are running about. What are we giving them? They give us joy, they look after us, they look after our children, they look after everything, they manage everything. Now what are we doing for them? Also, I have heard that people don’t help, when they have to do postering. Very few people come up. This is being ungrateful, very ungrateful to those. All the deities are present when you are having those collective programmes and surprisingly the old Sahaja Yogis are more difficult than the new ones. I mean this is surprising. I mean are they becoming now out of date or something? Christ has said, “First will be the last.” I hope that’s not going to happen. Sort of a confidence they develop, “Oh, we are old Sahaja Yogis!” We have had a horrible results in London of this consciousness that, “We are old. We’ll do whatever we like. We may attend the collective or not!” : a kind of an ego. Please be careful. Christ has clearly said, “First will be the last.” And I have seen so many of them, just getting out like that. Even I don’t know how they get out, in such stupid ways that [it’s] unimaginable for anyone! Like one gentleman in Italy was an old Sahaja Yogi just got up and said, “I am Maha Mataji!” Everyone started looking at him. “What do you mean?” “I am Maha Mataji! And I am going to do all this myself!” So they said, “All right, so we are going out of ashram!” "No, no, no, I can't manage the ashram, I am getting out!” And he went and stayed with someone, that lady, who heard against me, and got cancer and died. In the collectivity, supposing you have one problem, another one has some problem: it just works out, balances. As one finger is cut out, it is useless then, or a nail which is taken out is useless, it dies. So that is how we are organising our spiritual death and ultimately I don’t know what else. And then they come back that, “Mother I have got now this trouble so I have come back. I was out of Sahaja Yoga for three years.” I say, “What do you mean: ‘out of Sahaja Yoga’?” “I didn't attend any collective programme.” I am thinking of the collectivity of the whole world, that’s my vision, and if Sahaja Yogis cannot be collective who is going to be collective? Who is going to fulfil my vision? So all of you — those who call themselves Sahaja Yogis — must attend the programme. And the second thing is that there was a little problem of generosity of people. Of course, that’s also is a character of Mahalakshmi: She’s very generous. And when you are generous in giving vibrations, in looking after people, this and that, then Mahalakshmi’s principle works out. But Mahalakshmi doesn’t give money to people who are miserly — will never give. They may have money in the bank but they can never enjoy. So if there is need, people have to give money to Sahaja Yoga. I have been supplying lot of money, as you know, from the very beginning. Those who are early Sahaja Yogis will know how much I have been able to pay. But now we are growing, and everybody should know that we have to pay. After all this is our responsibility. Where are we going to spend our money? In what? I mean, my family feels that, whatever money I am spending for Sahaja Yoga is the best: they get punyas, is the best for them. Only with punyas you get more wealth, health and prosperity. If you do not have punyas you cannot get it. It will come, and go away. It will disappear into thin air. So, I was surprised that people are not generous. We have to know that we are so much better off people than many others: like the Eastern Bloc people are not so good in money matters just now. I am not saying that we have to help them, but we have to think, “Can we send something for them as presents? Can we do something for them?” The matter has the value, which is again Mahakali’s power, is the power of Mahakali, that the matter carries the love, expresses. So many times I have seen how, very sweetly, they gave me something. I mean, I really don’t take anything and I don't need anything. But certain things which show such concern, such understanding, such love. How will you express your love to those people who are so far away? You just try, try to give. Try to give for Sahaja Yoga also and you will be amazed how it will work out. For collectivity we have to know that Shri Bhairavanath and Shri Hanumana and Shri Ganesha — these three principles that work within us — all of them have parallel work to do, parallel: they do not interfere for each other. But if it comes to help, they’ll go all out, there's no quarrel with them, no quarrel between the two, no. If Hanuman needs Bhairava, he is there. If Bhairava needs Hanumana he is there — all out. So this collectivity comes only by understanding one thing: what a great work we are doing today. People are not conscious of that, they take it just by the way. In the war, you have seen how people fight, even if they have the fear of dying. Formerly nobody was paid also in the military. But they went and fought, maybe for their country, for anything. And they used to join together to fight, they allowed themselves to be killed, they helped each other, they did this. All these qualities are there when we want to hate someone. But when we want to love someone why shouldn’t we have those qualities emerging out of us? These are the qualities of Mahakali because She is the expert of war affairs. She’s the One who makes people one, and She's the One who makes them fight, because it’s the desire. They have nothing there just the desire to do something, and then they join together and then the Mahasaraswati helps them act. But first the desire is so strong. Now the desire has to be very, very strong within us, that we have to be for the emancipation of the whole world: we are the people, we are the special people, we are in the foundation. Nothing is more important than our own personality being completely dedicated for Sahaja Yoga. This desire has to be extremely strong and very pure. Those who actually desire it, actually, they get their Realisation like that, they reach their depth like that. And they enjoy doing work of Sahaj — they all the time they enjoy it: for them nothing is more important. As we say in [India] — there’s a saying that — when you get the water of Ganges to drink, why should you take water from dirty rivers? So the whole attention is that side. All the joy you get out of this romance and this love and this and that becomes zero before it because it’s nirananda — only joy. In the marriage you see, if wife says like this, says that, all this is so conditioning. Any joy. You have different joys on different centres, they are all given by Mahakali. But the greatest of all you have got after Realisation is the 'nirananda'. That state you must reach, to nirananda state. If you are in that state of nirananda, then all other pleasures and joys are zero. I mean, so many people who told me they were very fond of cricket in India, they said, “Mother, we don't see nowadays cricket.” I said, “Why?” “Because the enjoyment is not there now. You see, sort of, that enjoyment is lost.” Otherwise Indians are mad after cricket! Even in the forest if you go they’ll be listening to the cricket. It’s a game played by English, who are not so much interested, but Indians are. And now if you ask them they say, “No, we’re not interested now.” So many people who used to read seven, eight newspapers said, “We never read newspapers. It’s never good news — finished.” And still they are managing. Because the whole focus of your attention is now on Sahaja Yoga because you only enjoy Sahaja Yoga. You like to meet Sahaja Yogis, you have to be with Sahaja Yogis. We had a puja in England [1990]. It was raining and quite a vibrant puja of Shri Ganesha. But nobody was bothered. It started pouring down through the pendal (tent) they had put up, nobody was bothered. “All right, water has come, let the water pass this way, we’ll sit that side.” Everybody adjusted, because first thing was to enjoy. They didn’t want to give up enjoyment at any cost. And it continued, the whole night. One was worried because somebody has threatened that the police will come. I made the police sleep also and the man who was to report also was sleeping. So, the whole night we enjoyed ourselves. Now this enjoyment cannot come to you if you do not have purity of your mind — nirananda. You can get other 'anands' of other things, other chakras. How to bring the purity? Just by developing thoughtless awareness and looking at things without thinking. For that you have to be collective. If you are collective, I am there. Wherever you are collective, wherever you gather, I am there. And nothing gives me greater pleasure to hear that all of you are attending this programme. You will be amazed that, in Australia, we have so many centres in every city but they all attend the programmes of collectivity, because they know collectivity is the ocean of nourishment. This is the simplest thing we have to do. But the bhoots are much more collective, much more collective. Bhoots can go to such a length of fraternity that you will be amazed. There was a lady in France only, she was an old lady and her daughter was in Sahaja Yoga. She had become absolutely mad, I mean absolutely bhootish, and so she put her in the elderly home. And in the elderly home she only knew how to go to church on Sundays. She would dress up and go to church. That’s the only sensible thing she used to do. So she put her in the thing and there was a church, and she told me this, her daughter told me, that, “It is very amazing that all of them get up in the morning, dress up well and go to church. And inside the church there are graves of people who have died, out of those half-mad or full-mad elderly people.” Otherwise they did not know even how to wear their dresses, they didn't know how to eat their food, they didn't know anything but when it came to going to church to that bhootish place, where all the bhoots were there, they all would get up in the morning, dress up properly and go to the church, sit down, sing hymns and come back, as if like possessions. Such a fraternity of bhoots there is. As soon as one bhoot comes in…one bhoot came now recently from Australia. Now he is gathering all the bhoots round him. He went to Pune, there he gathered, all the bhoots — immediately. Then he came here, now he’s gathering those bhoots. People are getting friendly with him. Exactly who are bhoots you can make it out by just seeing a bhoot sitting there and who is sitting next to that person. They are so attracted like a magnet. While the magnet is the quality of Mahakali. Bhoots know me better than anybody else can know because they know my past, they are in the past. And they know who has got bhoots and how they attract each other, and how they act on a bhootish person. That is why the positive collectivity has to be there. But when it comes to positivity, they do not get collective. All those who do not get collective will gradually go into the fraternity of bhoots. Because today we are dealing about Mahakali. She is the One who knows everything about these bhootish things. She’s in charge, I mean. She’s the Lord of all these bhoots and She knows and She looks after them and She manages them. But when Sahaja Yogis want to go into that realm, what has She to do? She has locked them up on one side. But Sahaja Yogis want to go there, just enter through back doors into that area, what can you do?Of course, She protects, She doesn’t want anyone to go there. She’s just kept them out and told the bhoots not to come this side. But Sahaja Yogis only go there. That’s been reported. Under these circumstances, Sahaja Yoga has gone very far, very much in so many other countries. In France, you have seen yesterday how this Ananda Shakti of the Mother acted on people. It was wonderful to see that. Everybody came to me and they were full of smiles, I have never seen any French woman of that age smiling! Never, no question, even if you tickled them, even if you certify that this is a joke they’ll not smile like that. [Laughter]I’ve never seen their teeth. Yesterday the whole face was lit up, so many of them, something so miraculous it was. This Anandini Shakti of Mahakali was acting so beautifully yesterday and you are the people who will now guide or misguide them. If you become, all of you become, higher personalities, if you become collective all of you, and if you become generous, and if you become absolutely pure, they will say, ‘Now look at these people, how beautiful they look.’You already look very beautiful, your faces shine, but it will all disappear. And the effects of disappearance are not very simple. So be careful, I of course bless you, with all the qualities of Bhairava, as He is the greatest disciple of Mahakali. And He is the One who is running up and down, morning till evening every time, specially in the night, He is working so very hard killing these horrible rakshasas, this, that, and achieving such results. We have to join Him, all of us, and work it out. May God bless you.

Shri Mahakali puja, “Collectivity & Purity”. Le Raincy (France), 12 September 1990. We have had Bhairava puja in Belgium and now I thought today let us have Mahakali puja because yesterday's experience, last night's experience, was the work of Mahakali. She has a double role all the time, she is at two extremes. On one side, she is full of joy, giver of joy, she’s very happy when she sees her disciples are joyous. Joy is her own quality, is her energy. And yesterday you must have been amazed to see so many middle-aged ladies of France smiling and laughing. I had never seen them smiling! It’s very surprising how they were so joyous and so very happy. And this is the energy of Mahakali, that gives you all that joy after Realisation, and the joy you enjoy among yourselves. All these are the qualities of Mahakali. And when they will read out the names of Mahakali you will know how her powers manifest in Sahaja Yoga and how it has helped you all to get drenched into the ocean of joy. To begin with, I have to tell you one thing that Mahakali puja, when you are doing, you have to feel a joy within yourself, and joy from other Sahaja Yogis. If you cannot feel that, that means you are not yet grown and there’s some problem, maybe with your parents, maybe with your children, maybe your family, with your country, whatever it is. But there’s some sort of a conditioning which is working out that doesn’t give you that joy. And to grow into Sahaja Yoga is very important, which I think people don't understand, even if they live in ashrams. They don't understand one thing that you have to be collective. If you are not collective then you are thrown out, gradually. Now this Mahakali power has got seven strings, you can say, on this. And these strings are there to throw you out into collective subconscious areas. Like, as in the sitar, you have seen, for the resonance, there are other strings, also. So, once you start getting out of the collectivity it is the Mahakali Herself [who] picks you out and starts throwing you out, slowly, slowly, to the subconscious area and where you just disappear. And all kinds of problems start there. I have seen this happening in every country — that people do not attend the collective meditation. For France, I have the same report. And I think the people who do not grow, will be thrown out. Sahaja Yoga, as you know, has a double action, as the Mahakali has a double action: She's extremely loving, full of joy, full of happiness and She’s the one who is extremely cruel, wrathful. She’s the one who is the slayer of all the demons and the evil, and those people who try to do evil. So, once you are thrown out into the Left Side then, you can imagine, you can develop any kind of left-side diseases to begin with, Mooladhara diseases are the worst, you develop diseases like myelitis. You must have heard of the disabilities caused by the muscles getting degenerated. All muscular degeneration comes from this problem. So at any cost that must be avoided. But if you are not in the collective, if you do not understand the collective, and if you are out of the collective, you will be surprised that negative forces will join together and they’ll pull you out. So this is one of the things that happens, so be very careful: don’t avoid the collective programmes. The another problem about Mahakali is that She’s the one who gives you the feeling for your wife, for your husband. She is the one. Now there also, the same problem: if both of them are all right, She is all right. But if She finds any one of them going astray, She'll throw that person out and out and out. And the another person, if that person is attached to that person also, will be thrown out. So this business of falling in love, this nonsense that we have here, that you 'fall in love'. But the word is all right because you 'fall', really, in love. There’s a real falling happens. So what happens, when you start falling in love, there’s a kind of a maya of this Mahakali. And you just get infatuated, your ego gets pampered, or something like that, or you have certain ideas of a wife, or something. And then you think, “Oh, that's the one for me!” So in these cases, only two things can happen. Either you can be lost completely because of your wife or your husband whom you adore and admire! And you are finished, I mean, your personality is finished. Or else, the another thing which is even more serious is that, that you will completely break forever and hate each other. That's why they say that there’s a love and hate relationship. How can love be hate? But it becomes [that], because of this quality of the Goddess, that She is on one side extremely loving, extremely kind, extremely soft, she goes up to a point, and then She throws you on the other side. And that is why in these countries where people always fall in love, they don’t marry otherwise, unless and until they have fallen in love. In that, they cross all the maryadas also. In falling in love, they will marry somebody who is already married or they’ll carry on with somebody who is not yet divorced. Or also they will have marriages among themselves in the same household or something. All kinds of things they do! And an old woman marries a young man, or an old man marries a young girl, like that; all nonsensical things, without any maryadas. And they do not stick together, they have no maryadas. To marry is to create a maryada, maryada of your behaviour. And this is the maryada which, if you do not keep, then this Mahakali gets into it. So, first of all, one has to be collective. The ones who are not collective, who do not attend, every time a collective programme. You might give suggestions, that you would like to come for such and such thing. For example, I have already explained, that you shouldn’t talk — put my [tapes]. There are so many tapes which they have never heard. Let them listen to my tape then go into meditation and then do the aarti and finish it off. Because these tapes are to be heard again and again. Now those who get any questions out of those tapes can, next time, discuss it before starting the tapes. That’s a very good thing and that works. In India, nobody speaks, they just put my tapes on or show my video. After that, they just have meditation and aarti — finished. After that nobody talks. But before starting it, [what] they do is to talk to each other and discuss the problems or discuss anything that they felt about the previous programme. Because you have not come here to marry someone or to fall in love into something. You have not come here to get after some woman because she's your wife or some man because he’s your husband. You have had so many husbands and wives in previous lives. But you have come here for your ascent. And if you have come here for your ascent you have to keep a watch: how is your mind working? Supposing I say that you should have good married life - of course, I do say, you should have good married life, but not at the cost of losing your ascent! It has happened with people. And we have lost a complete city like that. Such stupidity comes up over people. So be careful not to get lost. You have not come here to have only a happy married life but happy married life is just one step. But if that step is taking you away from the real path of your ascent it’s better to be careful. Also, we must understand [that] the innocence means purity, purity of thought, as I explained yesterday. I hope you understood the meaning of purity. Purity is to be understood much more by Europeans — very important — especially French. Because the whole society is suffering. Society can only be pure if the family life is pure, not only that, but [if] your relations with each other are pure. Like, I was told that somebody fell in love in Ganapatipule. I mean, you go for a pilgrimage! It’s like you have to go to buy a sari and you end up with a shaving stick. It’s that stupid. You are coming to Ganapatipule for what? You are coming there for your ascent. It's a pilgrimage. But in the pilgrimage, I have never heard anybody falls in love with each other and goes to marriage. So this bhoot of falling in love must be given up in Sahaja Yoga. That is one of the biggest loads. And, and must understand that purity means chastity. Innocence means chastity, not only physical [but] also mental chastity. You have to have mental chastity. If you don’t have mental chastity you cannot ascend. Actually, in the West it is more mental than physical, is a fact. And that’s why their brains have gone off, and they are becoming just like potatoes now, I think. Because if you go on mentally imagining and playing around and working it out this way, it’s going to be absolutely dangerous because it’s all imagination: it has nothing to do with reality. The more you get into this kind of a nonsense the more you become away from reality. That never means you should be dry, it never means you should be negligent of your responsibility. It does not mean. (Mother coughs and asks for Khadiradi tablet from Her purse: “Majhi purse madhye, khadiradi bati ye ti kadh”) As I have said that the sap in the tree rises then it purifies, it nourishes every part of the plant separately in a different way. Like it’s a mother, so mother, father is a father, sister is a sister, brother is a brother. The brother-sister relations cannot become husband-wife relations! How can it be? “Don, de! Ha Khadiradi bati.” (meaning: “Give me two Khadiradi.”) Now what happens really is that such a confusion in the mind and it has created tremendous problems for us. Then the sap nourishes all these things and comes back. It doesn't get attached to something, “Oh, she’s my wife. So the first priority is my wife.” Because I have said, of course, [that] family life has to be all right, you must look after your family life. But that doesn’t mean that you make everything suffer, that doesn’t mean that your ascent should be finished. It cannot mean that. You are not like ordinary people, you are saints. And for the saints the main thing is their ascent, not their family life, not their material possessions, nothing. Nor their children, but their ascent, once they ascend everything will ascend with it. Now the understanding of chastity should be there. It can come to you very easily if you ascend. It’s such a vicious circle. It is such a vicious circle. Now first of all, you get your Realisation, all right. Now you must know that Kundalini itself is the Mahakali shakti because she’s the primordial. Mahakali shakti is the primordial shakti within us. And it’s the Kundalini [which] is the Mahakali shakti. And She remains as a virgin within you — means She’s purity. She has a power to purify. All that happens when you get your Realisation. She starts manifesting Her all beautiful aspects on you. Now the one who is sitting there is Shri Ganesha. Now people don’t understand what innocence is. Shri Ganesha is sitting there and He is the one who presides [over] all Mooladhara: even over his Mother, because He’s like a guard. And He’s the one who tells whether She can ascend or not. Unless and until He gives permission She cannot ascend. So Shri Ganesha gives the ascending sort of an OK: “All right, you can rise.” And he stops all his work. You have seen me sitting for hours together. I don't have to go even to the bathroom or anywhere because Ganesha stops all his work. He’s only worried now about the ascent and on every chakra he checks your purity and then, accordingly, the Kundalini tries to purify you. But when it reaches the mental level - mental level has all these funny ideas of romance; this nonsense, that nonsense. I was surprised the other day, there was a girl who was having a trouble with her husband of expressing her love to her husband after marriage. Before marriage, she was all right. So I told her, “Read some book where they have described the romance between husband and wife.” So she said, “There is no book I have known.” Then I asked one professor to find out, he said, “There’s no such book!” In Sahaja Yoga, the romance starts after the marriage, but also with maryadas: not at the cost of Sahaja Yoga, not at the cost of your ascent. So all these ideas people have in the West, I know you are so much conditioned about it. So, you say now, “Let us see, this is samayachar after all, we have to give all the benefit to them.” Now we select people, we do everything: it’s all the work of Mahakali. Because you have to work on the vibrations. It's all the work of Mahakali. And after marriages also, some marriages do fail. The reason being they do not know what is the purpose of their marriages. So the first and foremost thing of Mahakali is that She is purity, absolute purity. And that purity if we cannot imbibe within us, we cannot be Sahaja Yogis. Now this mind is so much conditioned, I know. Our children will be much better off than ourselves because they won’t have these conditionings as we have had. And so many problems can be just avoided if you really become pure people. I see, in the other society in which I move, nobody seems to be safe! Somebody’s wife is running with somebody’s husband, somebody’s daughter is running with somebody’s father, somebody’s running, a boy running with somebody’s mother. Next day, you find somebody else standing there [as] husband and wife. Or sometimes it’s so funny that you can’t believe it! How can it be? And everybody’s endangered: a man goes to the house, he finds his wife run away with another man, or a man goes for his work, he’s run away with another woman. So She's the one, She gives you 'stithi' — the state. 'Stithi' means consolidation. Without your proper consolidation — into your purity, not into your romantic life — you cannot rise. Like when we make the aeroplane, first we have to consolidate it — fix it up properly, work it out — so that when it goes in the air, all its parts do not fly away with the passengers. In the same way, when we are ascending Shri Ganesha does that, he just stops the action of excretion completely and the ascent starts. They [the Deities] are doing their work all right, despite the fact they have been insulted, they have been neglected, we have misbehaved, whatever we might have done. They are doing their jobs all right. You can see it, so many people getting Realisation. But what are we doing about it? We cannot be even collective! We cannot attend collective things. And look at them how generous they are! They are extremely collective. They are extremely collective. To such an extent [that, if] somebody, supposing, worships Shri Krishna, his heart will catch. Why? Because you must also worship Shiva. They are so collective and so much connected with me. So they are all collective. In the same way, you are also 'devas', you also should be collective. As soon as you become collective, all these nonsensical things will drop out. All these ideas will drop out. You do not become collective because you have not dropped out all these things, or else you are afraid of dropping them out. So let us know what is our purpose: our purpose is to ascend. And what is the Mahakali power doing for us? She is giving you your ascent through Kundalini. She is purifying you. She is giving you all the powers. She is protecting you all the time. She is giving you joy. But what are we doing for Her? Her only, only desire is that my children should be saintly, that they should have beautiful qualities of a saint, that he doesn’t fall at every woman, fall at every man. He’s not so cheap, you see. And mentally specially, I mean if the Sahasrara is spoilt, how can Sahaja Yoga work out? The whole play is of the Sahasrara. And that purity should manifest. Through you we are going to change the world, through no one else - it’s the Sahaja Yogis who are going to change it. Now look at the generosity, even my body is so generous. Yesterday one lady came, I think she had a very bad liver. She came downstairs and my liver started pumping vibrations — terrible. She had a very bad liver though; she had taken drugs, I mean she had taken drugs and all that [but] suffering was done to me, by this liver of mine. It didn’t think that, “Poor Mother, she’s come all the way after suffering so much.” It started just pumping for that woman. So generous it is. And they are so generous themselves the way they bestow blessings on you people. How they are hard working, how they are running about. What are we giving them? They give us joy, they look after us, they look after our children, they look after everything, they manage everything. Now what are we doing for them? Also, I have heard that people don’t help, when they have to do postering. Very few people come up. This is being ungrateful, very ungrateful to those. All the deities are present when you are having those collective programmes and surprisingly the old Sahaja Yogis are more difficult than the new ones. I mean this is surprising. I mean are they becoming now out of date or something? Christ has said, “First will be the last.” I hope that’s not going to happen. Sort of a confidence they develop, “Oh, we are old Sahaja Yogis!” We have had a horrible results in London of this consciousness that, “We are old. We’ll do whatever we like. We may attend the collective or not!” : a kind of an ego. Please be careful. Christ has clearly said, “First will be the last.” And I have seen so many of them, just getting out like that. Even I don’t know how they get out, in such stupid ways that [it’s] unimaginable for anyone! Like one gentleman in Italy was an old Sahaja Yogi just got up and said, “I am Maha Mataji!” Everyone started looking at him. “What do you mean?” “I am Maha Mataji! And I am going to do all this myself!” So they said, “All right, so we are going out of ashram!” "No, no, no, I can't manage the ashram, I am getting out!” And he went and stayed with someone, that lady, who heard against me, and got cancer and died. In the collectivity, supposing you have one problem, another one has some problem: it just works out, balances. As one finger is cut out, it is useless then, or a nail which is taken out is useless, it dies. So that is how we are organising our spiritual death and ultimately I don’t know what else. And then they come back that, “Mother I have got now this trouble so I have come back. I was out of Sahaja Yoga for three years.” I say, “What do you mean: ‘out of Sahaja Yoga’?” “I didn't attend any collective programme.” I am thinking of the collectivity of the whole world, that’s my vision, and if Sahaja Yogis cannot be collective who is going to be collective? Who is going to fulfil my vision? So all of you — those who call themselves Sahaja Yogis — must attend the programme. And the second thing is that there was a little problem of generosity of people. Of course, that’s also is a character of Mahalakshmi: She’s very generous. And when you are generous in giving vibrations, in looking after people, this and that, then Mahalakshmi’s principle works out. But Mahalakshmi doesn’t give money to people who are miserly — will never give. They may have money in the bank but they can never enjoy. So if there is need, people have to give money to Sahaja Yoga. I have been supplying lot of money, as you know, from the very beginning. Those who are early Sahaja Yogis will know how much I have been able to pay. But now we are growing, and everybody should know that we have to pay. After all this is our responsibility. Where are we going to spend our money? In what? I mean, my family feels that, whatever money I am spending for Sahaja Yoga is the best: they get punyas, is the best for them. Only with punyas you get more wealth, health and prosperity. If you do not have punyas you cannot get it. It will come, and go away. It will disappear into thin air. So, I was surprised that people are not generous. We have to know that we are so much better off people than many others: like the Eastern Bloc people are not so good in money matters just now. I am not saying that we have to help them, but we have to think, “Can we send something for them as presents? Can we do something for them?” The matter has the value, which is again Mahakali’s power, is the power of Mahakali, that the matter carries the love, expresses. So many times I have seen how, very sweetly, they gave me something. I mean, I really don’t take anything and I don't need anything. But certain things which show such concern, such understanding, such love. How will you express your love to those people who are so far away? You just try, try to give. Try to give for Sahaja Yoga also and you will be amazed how it will work out. For collectivity we have to know that Shri Bhairavanath and Shri Hanumana and Shri Ganesha — these three principles that work within us — all of them have parallel work to do, parallel: they do not interfere for each other. But if it comes to help, they’ll go all out, there's no quarrel with them, no quarrel between the two, no. If Hanuman needs Bhairava, he is there. If Bhairava needs Hanumana he is there — all out. So this collectivity comes only by understanding one thing: what a great work we are doing today. People are not conscious of that, they take it just by the way. In the war, you have seen how people fight, even if they have the fear of dying. Formerly nobody was paid also in the military. But they went and fought, maybe for their country, for anything. And they used to join together to fight, they allowed themselves to be killed, they helped each other, they did this. All these qualities are there when we want to hate someone. But when we want to love someone why shouldn’t we have those qualities emerging out of us? These are the qualities of Mahakali because She is the expert of war affairs. She’s the One who makes people one, and She's the One who makes them fight, because it’s the desire. They have nothing there just the desire to do something, and then they join together and then the Mahasaraswati helps them act. But first the desire is so strong. Now the desire has to be very, very strong within us, that we have to be for the emancipation of the whole world: we are the people, we are the special people, we are in the foundation. Nothing is more important than our own personality being completely dedicated for Sahaja Yoga. This desire has to be extremely strong and very pure. Those who actually desire it, actually, they get their Realisation like that, they reach their depth like that. And they enjoy doing work of Sahaj — they all the time they enjoy it: for them nothing is more important. As we say in [India] — there’s a saying that — when you get the water of Ganges to drink, why should you take water from dirty rivers? So the whole attention is that side. All the joy you get out of this romance and this love and this and that becomes zero before it because it’s nirananda — only joy. In the marriage you see, if wife says like this, says that, all this is so conditioning. Any joy. You have different joys on different centres, they are all given by Mahakali. But the greatest of all you have got after Realisation is the 'nirananda'. That state you must reach, to nirananda state. If you are in that state of nirananda, then all other pleasures and joys are zero. I mean, so many people who told me they were very fond of cricket in India, they said, “Mother, we don't see nowadays cricket.” I said, “Why?” “Because the enjoyment is not there now. You see, sort of, that enjoyment is lost.” Otherwise Indians are mad after cricket! Even in the forest if you go they’ll be listening to the cricket. It’s a game played by English, who are not so much interested, but Indians are. And now if you ask them they say, “No, we’re not interested now.” So many people who used to read seven, eight newspapers said, “We never read newspapers. It’s never good news — finished.” And still they are managing. Because the whole focus of your attention is now on Sahaja Yoga because you only enjoy Sahaja Yoga. You like to meet Sahaja Yogis, you have to be with Sahaja Yogis. We had a puja in England [1990]. It was raining and quite a vibrant puja of Shri Ganesha. But nobody was bothered. It started pouring down through the pendal (tent) they had put up, nobody was bothered. “All right, water has come, let the water pass this way, we’ll sit that side.” Everybody adjusted, because first thing was to enjoy. They didn’t want to give up enjoyment at any cost. And it continued, the whole night. One was worried because somebody has threatened that the police will come. I made the police sleep also and the man who was to report also was sleeping. So, the whole night we enjoyed ourselves. Now this enjoyment cannot come to you if you do not have purity of your mind — nirananda. You can get other 'anands' of other things, other chakras. How to bring the purity? Just by developing thoughtless awareness and looking at things without thinking. For that you have to be collective. If you are collective, I am there. Wherever you are collective, wherever you gather, I am there. And nothing gives me greater pleasure to hear that all of you are attending this programme. You will be amazed that, in Australia, we have so many centres in every city but they all attend the programmes of collectivity, because they know collectivity is the ocean of nourishment. This is the simplest thing we have to do. But the bhoots are much more collective, much more collective. Bhoots can go to such a length of fraternity that you will be amazed. There was a lady in France only, she was an old lady and her daughter was in Sahaja Yoga. She had become absolutely mad, I mean absolutely bhootish, and so she put her in the elderly home. And in the elderly home she only knew how to go to church on Sundays. She would dress up and go to church. That’s the only sensible thing she used to do. So she put her in the thing and there was a church, and she told me this, her daughter told me, that, “It is very amazing that all of them get up in the morning, dress up well and go to church. And inside the church there are graves of people who have died, out of those half-mad or full-mad elderly people.” Otherwise they did not know even how to wear their dresses, they didn't know how to eat their food, they didn't know anything but when it came to going to church to that bhootish place, where all the bhoots were there, they all would get up in the morning, dress up properly and go to the church, sit down, sing hymns and come back, as if like possessions. Such a fraternity of bhoots there is. As soon as one bhoot comes in…one bhoot came now recently from Australia. Now he is gathering all the bhoots round him. He went to Pune, there he gathered, all the bhoots — immediately. Then he came here, now he’s gathering those bhoots. People are getting friendly with him. Exactly who are bhoots you can make it out by just seeing a bhoot sitting there and who is sitting next to that person. They are so attracted like a magnet. While the magnet is the quality of Mahakali. Bhoots know me better than anybody else can know because they know my past, they are in the past. And they know who has got bhoots and how they attract each other, and how they act on a bhootish person. That is why the positive collectivity has to be there. But when it comes to positivity, they do not get collective. All those who do not get collective will gradually go into the fraternity of bhoots. Because today we are dealing about Mahakali. She is the One who knows everything about these bhootish things. She’s in charge, I mean. She’s the Lord of all these bhoots and She knows and She looks after them and She manages them. But when Sahaja Yogis want to go into that realm, what has She to do? She has locked them up on one side. But Sahaja Yogis want to go there, just enter through back doors into that area, what can you do?Of course, She protects, She doesn’t want anyone to go there. She’s just kept them out and told the bhoots not to come this side. But Sahaja Yogis only go there. That’s been reported. Under these circumstances, Sahaja Yoga has gone very far, very much in so many other countries. In France, you have seen yesterday how this Ananda Shakti of the Mother acted on people. It was wonderful to see that. Everybody came to me and they were full of smiles, I have never seen any French woman of that age smiling! Never, no question, even if you tickled them, even if you certify that this is a joke they’ll not smile like that. [Laughter]I’ve never seen their teeth. Yesterday the whole face was lit up, so many of them, something so miraculous it was. This Anandini Shakti of Mahakali was acting so beautifully yesterday and you are the people who will now guide or misguide them. If you become, all of you become, higher personalities, if you become collective all of you, and if you become generous, and if you become absolutely pure, they will say, ‘Now look at these people, how beautiful they look.’You already look very beautiful, your faces shine, but it will all disappear. And the effects of disappearance are not very simple. So be careful, I of course bless you, with all the qualities of Bhairava, as He is the greatest disciple of Mahakali. And He is the One who is running up and down, morning till evening every time, specially in the night, He is working so very hard killing these horrible rakshasas, this, that, and achieving such results. We have to join Him, all of us, and work it out. May God bless you.

9/14/1990

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