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in location 2 this is a nondual experience of layer 2that is the perception of separation between subject observer and object observed is dissolvedand so it feels as though one is indistinct from the space in which everything arises and deeper into the layer that one is indistinct from the substance of everything arising as well

loc2lay2

since ive been in fundamental wellbeing ive been communicating

tfwc

impersonal love sense merging

loc3

i was bouncing back from location four i feel peaceful

loc4

merger

loc3

no doer

loc4

the fullness the presence

loc3

range of emotions these individuals experience becomes increasingly positive and negative emotions become less frequent

loc2

yeah thats like when i said that like location four is the new two yeah like that obviously theres theres all this stuff happening and how much you know how much of it is just subjective experience and it feels like all these things are in operation doing what they need to do

loc4

being dogmatic and convinced

lay1

nothing appears to have individual existence of itself distinctions begin to fade into the flatness which happens increasingly the further out in locations one goes

loc2lay4

when we used words for it before we went to numbers we used awareness we called it the awareness layer

lay3

but thought maybe let me put layer one because it obviously was a huge shift when i realized i this presence was everywhere and is everything and everything that id ever read i was now experiencing it except i didnt expect to go into mourning

loc1

the loss of perceptual access to layer 2 can affect things like dimensionality of perception which becomes progressively flat in later locations

loc4lay2

very full and rich

loc2lay3

beyond an experience of being or beingness

lay4

can seem like a gift

loc3lay3

an exception to this appears to be fluid late location finders who find their way back to location 3 after having more fully deepened into layer 4 in later locations

loc3lay4

beyond all opposites

lay4

and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session

lay3

the fullness and the presence

lay3

massive landscape in layer three

lay3

im not sure if you meant every single layer of layer four for example probably more just like what makes sense and you say for that i need to get to location for layer four

loc4lay4

rarely there you know when youre in location when youre in what you think is location two layer two thats just the default experience thats rarely the default experience you know that type of thing as well

loc2lay2

happiness love gratitude joy

loc3

the path of freedom remains emotionless the path of humanity

loc5+

perception of the spaciousness

lay2

experience of spaciousness that youre experimenting with the sense of some emptiness that you can get when you close your eyes

lay2

maybe a sense of freedom that simple phrase but kind of has a certain allure to it

loc4

sense of the nonduality

loc2

lot of joy

loc3

its kind of like its always there regardless of the type of nonduality

loc2

enlightenment

tfwc

and that works out really well if youre christian because obviously youre trying to get to you know location three ideally and you know get the whole union with the divine thing maxed out or even the godhead experience if you go beyond the union with the divine thing and and all of that

loc3

qualities of love

loc3

the ability to love

loc3

increase things like the motivation problem

lay3

nonduality and location two

loc2

its also hard for me to differentiate between this sort of universal love that i feel and im in this really deep romantic relationship with my wife of 45 years and i really love her and so a lot of times i think shes kind of like the focus of this overall love that i feel is she becomes like a focal point for it

loc3

fundamental wellbeing also does not typically show up as persistent equanimity or bliss in location 1 as some also believe will be the case

loc1lay1

right now i dont even really like the idea of choosing between going for the path of freedom

loc5+

really busy with the mind

lay1

love and compassion

loc3lay3

so it could take between 5 minutes to 30 minutes to i probably have to go through layer two and then start to fill the spaciousness or calm my body and the anxiety and the work stuff down enough

loc2lay2

richness of the experience

loc2

layer 1

lay1

terms of spaciousness

lay2

obviously because youre in a sort of shallow ish spot in location one thats not really powerful

loc1

in location 1 layer 4 every drop of rain is a melody a harmonious blend of natures song and the rhythms of existence

loc1lay4

compassion of location seven its just so touching and heartwarming

loc5+

so a lot of the things that i wrote about later were not even when i was in fundamental wellbeing

tfw

it cant go to layer two

lay2

that wouldnt have been completely common because i think in location four you do have to be careful of your unconscious biases

loc4

attitudes and their around praise and love and ascension

tfwc

location two at a period in your life where there were more ups and downs

loc2

finders typically seem completely normal in social

loc1

kind of gets remapped onto or with the experience of fundamental wellbeing of that underlying sense of okayness

tfwp

facets such as love are felt as divine or universal or at a minimum impersonal

loc3

fundamental okayness

loc1

this can lead to reduced motivation to do things in daytoday life until a new

loc1

changes in the visual system seem to occur beginning around location 5

loc5+

perceived change in agency

loc2

density fullness aliveness is

lay3

that experience is relative to the experience of self and is a positionality or fixation in a perspective or reference point

loc4lay4

id say it is infused with the layer three experience that im having if i look into it its yes that sense of self is in its in the field its like its like almost i dont know if it contains the field

lay3

nothing like not much emotion going on

lay2

okay unprovoked happiness does happen to be the method that is most reliable for getting finders to location four

loc4

there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it

lay1

anxiety

lay1

especially the ones that involve stories and that this can begin around location 2

loc2

as someone grows up in fundamental wellbeing and anybody can be anywhere in between you know those two extremes you know youve had a corporate job youve done other stuff so clearly youve been able to function just fine you talk exactly like id expect you to talk in terms of you know these are just shows i put on for other people or basically and theyre kind of automated shows at this point they just sort of come on when they need to come on which of course they would by this point

tfw

and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot

lay2

do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness

lay3

what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered

lay2

location 2 they almost exclusively experience positive emotions

loc2

thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence

lay3

in location 1 layer 4 the breaking of dawn is a daily rebirth an invitation to begin anew with each ray of light a beacon of hope

loc1lay4

it seems like sort of silence and stillness type of that sort of thing is central to everything that you talk about

lay2

things are seen with more distance and objectivity and one typically becomes less reactive the downside of this is that it can be a great place to escape the mind and disassociate from psychological conditioning this is usually whats meant when people speak about spiritual bypassing

loc2lay2

no mans land

loc4lay2

by sinking into the qualities of layer three

lay3

mentally quieter

lay2

there is fullness i do experience fullness

lay3

not a divine type of love

loc3lay2

no agency

loc4

probably your work youre going to be working on deepening into probably layer two

lay2

but was that experience that you have of the divine presence that you have in location two

loc2

spaciousness and stillness and emptiness qualities

lay2

sometimes emptiness

lay2

its lovely and comforting and it feels like theres a pleasant weight to it theres some sense of weight and pressure but its totally pleasant

lay3

aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three

lay3

you know there are other side benefits you know its but one of the benefits of that system is the authority associated with it you know having someone say okay now this and feeling a sense in the system very much like a christian does and turning something over to jesus or turning something over to christ or something like that right so its up to you to do that in this case and youve seen this a million times and people who have come to you you know hoping to transition to fundamental wellbeing theyve got to give permission to give up their old life

tfw

seer

loc1

loss of all separation and the possibility of description from nothing is difficult to get to

loc1lay4

layer three of location two um in that direction

loc2lay3

a really strong grounding in layer two

lay2

presence ever there without the spaciousness

lay3

the level of stillness and silence is just like you know another magnitude beyond whats there in layer two so when i feel that it feels like i am that new level of stillness in addition to all the pervasive stuff thats going on too so i think im actually getting there and not sitting back and saying from this spacious emptiness im aware of this other stuff thats going on out there and yet its more still than it was a couple of minutes ago before i made the shift

loc2

for example if this if i forget to pay attention i might go with the feeling and thoughts for for some time but but once i pay attention i can quickly go back to later two so

lay2

its very functional

loc3