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maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three
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yeah so that definitely seems like a good direction for this this the next two weeks or whatever since were working on layer two
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i definitely i definitely feel so when im one one thing thats shifted recently is that is that like in the last probably six months is that i used to whenever i would get bug reports i would react to them pretty negatively um sort of in a fear response kind of way like oh i fucked up and like im going to lose my job and you know not that i was really seriously entertaining that but just kind of like there was a gut feeling like that and um a while ago i noticed that if i just treated them as scientific investigations um that i could do i could do all of my debugging from layer two instead of from layer one and that was so much more pleasant and also so much more effective because im not wasting any time like oh this is going to be bad theres going to be you know like all of this like reflective thought about like you know whats going wrong and what the implications of this is gone like forget it dont worry about it just do the debugging and so yeah i mean but you know i also feel like i mean ive had experiences of layer three
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nothing like not much emotion going on
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layer one is going to percolate you know to an active state in that situation
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presence made of the space
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so in layer two i think sometimes im affected by my sister has also taken this course and her descriptions of that sense of unity
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ill drift back out to usually like layer three
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silence is really big
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layer two is sometimes more effective for that
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dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore
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even the visual field itself kind of like um narrows so theres like this huge feeling of relaxation and freeness that i feel in what im calling layer three
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be layer three
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but i felt like there was a very distinguishable sort of feeling that you know everything was just arising and that everything was that spacious container that rang with me so much i used that to kind of deepen into layer two and it was really nice like what a fantastic space sensation
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with layer two
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blister action more like what is the very foundational stillness within it and the senselessness of it um so those are kind of the qualities of the really the deepest reaches of of layer three
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you start to get a sense or an awareness of a level of pure existence that is the deepest silence the deepest stillness thats within awareness
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the energy
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might say aliveness
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yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness
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when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four
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it might be a deeper a deeper experience of layer three and location two where its all the divine and your individual sense of self has further fallen away um because if there was just from the way you describe it you can correct me if im wrong but in location three you would feel like the self is dissolving into the divine um or sort of coming into union with it it wouldnt feel like it just gone and theres only the divine functioning through you
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but if youre rooted more in layer one
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merged with experience
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i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness
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the one that were really talking about in the slides is at the end of layer three
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openness
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yeah its definitely not going to reach your level but that doesnt mean its not impacting your actions and the decision making lower down at layer one
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layer two and how much i really dont like it i like i really dont like it when i get into layer two but thats thats where i was pulled from my home and my friends and my school and my life like my clothes everything i mean from an eight year old point of view it was like my life ended im recognizing now that i probably have some deconditioning to do there specifically at layer two
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location two also combination layer one
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it mean like it does feel like theres a kind of contraction here right so im like okay this is obviously the listener i get it but it also at the same time feels spacious
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a place of like a deep safety
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spaciousness is coming i dont know how to describe it
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yeah yeah i think so yeah
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its aliveness
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pure layer three
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i can get in touch with spaciousness
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then do the same thing with layer three you know sink into layer three as much as you can while you have that sort of worst case type imagination happening and all of the conditioning up around it and let layer three to work its magic just you know hold it hold it active in your mind as much as you can in your experience as much as you can in terms of whatever that worst case scenario type thing would be or variations of it or whatever
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joy with the eucharist
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fourth layer
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but it sounds to me like youre at least in experiencing layer two with the classic descriptors of spaciousness and emptiness and that kind of thing
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so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness
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beingness or presence or knowingness
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sensing of fullness coexisting with the emptiness
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spaciousness is usually when im trying to hit layer two
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yeah so the class or the session following the layer two session will be layer three
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all of my thoughts went away my mind is so still whatever else compared to the buzzing noise that was before and your normal egoic narrative sense of self
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merging with experience
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you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more
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i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice
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so did it have a sense of senselessness
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even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective
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you talk about having space around the motions watching them come and go
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emptiness doesnt resonate at all
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there is not being nor is there not being right
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just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep
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default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times
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piece moves more to the foreground
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i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three
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looking out at the space
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will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down
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like a weighted blanket kind of pressure so guess it feels a little heavy but in a in a desirable kind of way
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i have consistent access to joy and equanimity at minimum but im always like its fantastic
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you know you never quite know how these things are going to play out when the jumps occur for the first you know times um but yeah theres theres heading in the direction of layer four and through it to location four
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the emptiness
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seer
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layer one i can the thoughts and emotions seems very impersonal
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layer two it relates to the sense of the spaciousness being everywhere being everything
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the fullness does still feel like its here again um
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it would still feel like everythings just showing up you would just have most of your attention centered on the mind and there would be some individual sense of self associated with that but not that felt sense of this thing
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go for the joy
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deconditioning
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theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness
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then theres the fullness is accompanied by
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being beingness or presence or the divine
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that makes sense because remember like the first ever transition had into fundamental wellbeing and then a second transition when i went probably to a deeper layer i think those two transitions felt very strong and noticeable quite dramatic mean they were not like you know catastrophe dramatic like some people have but you know they were unmissable right whereas this feels this shifting between what might be layer three
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that sense of being presence being presence and being everywhere
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its a shallow sort of layer two
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qualities of the joy
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targeting the location two layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life
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its more like 21 so mostly layer one as i am still very much in the world and not so out there doing stuff
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seems like its just sort of showing up
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layer one when im talking with people
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space perceiving
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feel like spacious
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experience of awareness becoming aware of itself
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and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot
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fullness of presence
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spaciousness is coming from that side from your left side
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i think its predominantly a location two layer three im just thinking of like recent glimpses i think of being in union where like im just driving and and i just completely
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im that layer three some aspect of the layer three type experiences
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full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that
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yeah let me describe some things that could be happening for you and you can tell me whether it resonates or whether parts of it do or you know what your sense is around that so that deeper layer you know beyond layer four um what it makes possible is a very a great degree of fluidity in a certain sense but even a kind of almost as if youre in a greater like more a greater dimension than the matrix and you can kind of see all of it
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it just feels like the words become simple
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that means youve got quite a lot of range in terms of different qualities of layer two that youre able to experience um the spaciousness the all containing nature of it
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when something is very beautiful there is still this sense of im noticing its very beautiful
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layer three of location two because youll be experiencing some sort of separation some sort of union
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you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two
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what might be thought of as a beingness type of beingness
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no separation
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