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The tip from Egypt was roughly, "Jihadists were training to fly large planes" but not where or when. There are more than 19 thousand airports in the US. Could you tell me on 9/10 which airport was going to be used, or where the targets were? At that time nobody else knew no matter what the conspiracy theorists say.
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which majority? reddit? Grow up old man, it's time to wake up. I don't need your opinion or agreement in anything. Thanks for showing how many genocider supporters here. It's really a fucked up society. Plus, who asked for your opinion. See the whole world, that's the vast majority even the non Muslims also stood up for the genocide. Bloody hands you got there.
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2024-18-06
People forget this.
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2024-18-06
"Israel mistakenly believed, the Times of Israel reported, that Hamas would never be able to get past its high-tech border security — an "Iron Wall" composed of concrete, tunnels, and razor wire, complete with remote-controlled machine guns, that was installed two years before the attack. That oversight prevented top Israeli intelligence leaders from doing anything about the internal report detailing Hamas' plans, Kan News reported. And it wasn't just a few weeks before October 7 that Israel reportedly knew about Hamas' plans. More than a year before the attack, Israel had a 40-page document detailing, play-by-play, exactly how Hamas would attack the southern border, The New York Times reported last year. But, Israel never took Hamas' plans seriously, assuming the militant group would never get past Israel's defenses, the Times reported." Pretty damning stuff. Literally just didn't respect the enemy enough to take them seriously, and now tens of thousands of innocent people are dead.
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2024-18-06
Wasn't there a sensor that was down in that area for like 6 weeks before the attack? How would anyone think that it was impenetrable with a known issue?
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2024-18-06
I think that's cognitive dissonance but whatever. Why else would they not care about the safety of their citizens if not to intentionally allow an attack to be a pretext for war? They just literally don't care about their civilians even though Israeli leaders know that Israelis get super pissed at their own government when these things happen? (Look at all the Israeli hostage deals taken on unfavourable terms to appease the crying mothers in the media) I literally can't conceive of a reason why they wouldn't act on specific information that will save Israelis if not as Casus Belli for war.
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2024-18-06
If anything Bibi and their intelligence committee was betting it is a bluff by Hamas, unfortunately it was real.
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It wasn't some random tip, one of their own operatives had uncovered Hamas' detailed plans, but her superiors didn't take them seriously. They had initially believed the attack was going to happen in April, and then when it didn't, they assumed that Hamas must have decided to just abandon all the effort they put into it for some reason.
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https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI?si=X6nUqIsaWsX0byfq That's not what the ICJ found.
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Based off what the person posted that I replied to, they had a 40 page document about this particular attack for over a year. That's not alarm fatigue. You don't prep a 40 page document and then go 'nah, happens too often to be real'. 40 pages says in depth knowledge of what was going to happen. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, as I'm far too ignorant to actually know what went on behind closed doors. But this goes beyond 'unheeded' and into damn near criminal neglect. 40 pages. I highly doubt 38 of that was someone rambling about their cat, so that is a HELL of a lot of intel to just ignore. Even if there was nothing malicious about why it wasn't followed up on, it's so incredibly far beyond a failure of government that I have no idea how anyone can defend it, either outside of Israel or within. I get the Israeli people are pissed as shit about what happened. I don't blame them. But it's about time far more of that anger be directed at the failure of their own government to protect them and in their INCREDIBLY irresponsible actions in some instances. That would be true regardless of who the country is and what they were fighting against.
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2024-18-06
Just to remind everybody. The difference between Israel and Gaza is that the majority of Israelis want Netanyahu gone, the majority of Gazans still support Hamas.
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2024-18-06
I'm.prettynsure hes said it multiple times.
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Again, I’m not speculating on why. I was just here to clarify that it could’ve been prevented or at least mitigated, which is something you have since agreed with. If pretext for war is the only reason you think it wasn’t then you can go with that, that’s not what I was here to talk about
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That’s a generous interpretation. It’s also possible that Israeli intelligence knew and chose to do nothing, the attack providing the incentive for a full scale extermination of Gaza at last
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2024-18-06
I personally feel immense pain for the victims. They were the most innocent, lovely youth and children (ironically always the first falling victims of unlawful aggression) who sustained incomprehensible horror or killed. I blame Hamas of course. But with Hamas it's like with a rabbie dog, I know they are dangerous and better be annihilated than dealt with. However, most of all I question Netanyahu. Even without this alleged intel, how could he allow such a festival knowing perfectly who are their neighbors without taking additional precautions. Now, with this news I am angry at him even more. I'm not sure how the things connected, but Netanyahu's own authoritarian style and his nice relationships with russian mafia must have something to do with it.
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2024-18-06
What are you supposed to do? You get 50 different plans on how they plan to attack you , but no date.
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2024-18-06
While moat of what you say is accurate. Some of it is a bit cherry-picking facts. For example- the training of hamas to invade military outposts was done with great media coverage for the past 5 years or so. So yes, the knowledge they prepare was there, but the real issue was the notion that a wall with remote control weapons and sensors could stop it PLUS the idea they wouldn’t dare to attack because they prefer to govern the gaza strip and get rich doing so.
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2024-18-06
Looks to me like it's a problem Israel made.
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2024-18-06
Get your facts out of here. Go on. Get.
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2024-18-06
Of course it does
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2024-18-06
If you were told that people were trying to kill you and to protect yourself you had to spend a significant amount of money reccuringly with no garentuee or time to check if it's actually necessary would you do it?
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2024-18-06
They did know. Because they were warned. The reports were very detailed. They ignored them because they thought their defences were impregnable.
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2024-18-06
There was exactly one case of a settler terrorist burning a Palestinian alive, and [Israel caught that terrorist and sentenced them to life imprisonment](https://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-by-israeli-killer-of-palestinian-family-in-arson-attack/). Of course every act of terrorism is bad, so I hope you'd be as bothered by the [thousands of cases of West Bank Palestinian terrorism against Jews in the last few years](https://www.gov.il/en/pages/wave-of-terror-october-2015) as you are by the one case of settler terrorism you have in mind.
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2024-18-06
What detailed reports? And since when did something being “detailed” mean it’s actually true?
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2024-18-06
Also just to remind everybody. Israel helped and funded Hamas to oppose the PA. Their creation is now out of their control.
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2024-18-06
Wow, that's really a case of the "butterfly effect". One spy gets caught -> intelligence sharing rules change -> 9/11 happens -> Afghanistan and Iraq wars happen.
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2024-18-06
Or hand him over to Sinwar for the remaining hostages and the condition that Sinwar livestreams what he does to Bibi
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From the article: > The Israel Defense Force's Gaza Division reportedly distributed an internal intelligence document on September 19, 2023, outlining the details of Hamas' planned raid So it was an internal intelligence document distributed within the army. It's not even clear whether Netanyahu ever knew about it. And it doesn't make sense that Netanyahu would allow the attack for political benefit. He's doing much worse in the polls now than before the attack, not better.
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2024-18-06
How is "political opportunism" not "wanted it to happen"?
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2024-18-06
"The Palestinians will have to be re-educated by the "moderate" Islamic states, who only have horrific human rights abuses against their citizens instead of waging full on radical Islamic war on the west. That's our good option. It'll take decades of brutal terrorist weed-whacking, but if that's what it takes, that's what we'll do." Seems like pie in the sky ideals when the crazy religious fundamentalists and the war hawks keep expanding Israeli territory and people like Smotrich advocating for Israel to occupy "greater Israel". I don't see how this works alongside expanding settlements.
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2024-18-06
> All their ilk need to go at the end of the war. Honest question... why the wait?
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For the record, the article is about an army "internal intelligence document" which it's not clear if Bibi ever saw. Certainly the head of the country (Bibi) has to take responsibility for such a horrible failure - if he didn't know, he should have known because it's his job to know. But the army also has to take responsibility because they did know and didn't act on it.
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It doesn't. I personally don't think the settlements should be expanded, but we can't let the Palestinians control the West Bank as it is. And I'll tell you why: [This](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8979909fcd7f52dae76e02535b1c5619-lq) is the view from the West Bank over Israel. It's literally 5 miles uphill from the Tel Aviv metropolitan area, where over half of Israelis live and where 80% of our GDP is produced. You can shut the entire show down with a few hand held mortars. Which Iran will be happy to supply through Jordan. You see what Hezbollah does to our sparsely-populated north with drones and ATGMs. Can you imagine having your entire heartlands under that threat? It would be equivalent to moving New York and San Francisco to Yemen, downrange from the Houthis, holding your fingers and hoping for the best.
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> If Gazans still think they are better off with Hamas, they seriously need help! If, by the end of this war, 10% of Gazans no longer live, I think that they will disagree.
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2024-18-06
Thats a shame he felt the need to stay in the closet his entire life.
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2024-17-06
I hate it when that happens…
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2024-17-06
I want what they are on
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2024-17-06
This is why I back the blue. We need police support in the fight against mythical creatures.
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Police in Bullima, Zimbabwe have abandoned one of their primary headquarters following attacks by goblins. According to city official Mabe Ngulani, Ward 2 Councillor, the officers at the Gwambe station "described being harassed – bodies being violated, doors opening on their own, and things climbing on the roof – making it impossible to sleep." Police officials for the region "withdrew the officers from Gwambe, stating they wouldn't endanger them further," he told CITEZW news. The officials requested that the town find an alternative location for the local police station but apparently none is available. "We haven't got accommodation but we asked them to come back and we see if the attacks will continue," Ngulani said. No word on whether the goblins happened to be green.
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You’re not wrong but that’s because Fatah still is a political opponent of Hamas… [lol](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/)
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Ya but imagine the big propaganda win. It would be in the news cycle a whole week. It has to be done
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2024-18-06
The West hasn't moved. Russia is chasing its neighbours towards the open arms of the West and NATO. If Russia stopped charging forwards then none of this would have happened. Same as the USA is finding friends in Asia because China keeps chasing its neighbours too. Weird that, almost like hostile behaviour encourages small countries to seek friendship with those who don't threaten to genocide them.
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2024-18-06
Ew boy. Remind me, why do I read these comments with any degree of seriousness?
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2024-18-06
> the Russians need an exit path. Leaving them a gentle exit means they withdraw, Ukraine retakes Crimea, then fights the same soldiers on another front when they have been re-equipped. Not leaving them a gentle exit means they might be more desperate/willing to stand and fight... which means Ukraine can fight them when they have little ammo and low morale. They can still surrender, but if they don't, fighting them while they're trapped is preferable to fighting them elsewhere.
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2024-18-06
As a Floridian, I'm cool with it
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2024-18-06
👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇦
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2024-18-06
If crimea is 60% pro Russia and the civilians there see no escape when the bridge is blown and take up arms? At that point nobody is fighting for a patcheck, they’re fighting for their lives. Idk the answer. We shall wait and see.
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2024-18-06
They can retreat using ferries. But they will have to leave behind a lot of heavy equipment if they do.
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2024-18-06
Imagine they somehow got a drone through and damaged the Kremlim in any capacity? Would be a huge blow to the prestige of the government and would damage them politically IMO.
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2024-18-06
Yeah we’ll see about that.
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2024-18-06
F16's gives Ukraine the ability to carry AMRAAMs, HARMs, glide bombs, StormShadows and Scalps. A storm shadow has on paper a range of 550 km. A F16 can launch a stormshadow and the guy with the manpads will never know, even Russia's air to air missile the R-77 has a range depeneding on type between 80-150kms. The plane is important but the most important thing the plane brings Ukraine is getting is ability to attack beyond visual range against ground, air and most importantly with HARMs radar targets.
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2024-18-06
The danger that stealth aircraft provide is that you never see them on radar, and trying to actively scan for them is asking for any nearby SEAD asset to shove a HARM up your ass.
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2024-18-06
I also thought the time of trench warfare had long passed yet here we are
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2024-18-06
> I am not a Trump supporter by any means. >calls people disagreeing with him "basement dwellers with Ukraine and Israel flag underwear" Also, pretty sure Republicans love Israel... and have since Reagan or longer.
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2024-18-06
Ukraine seem to be pretty adept at sinking russian boats.
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2024-18-06
French can have the crap bit
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>Nobody. I do. I wasn't being sarcastic nor tongue-in-cheek at all. I wish to see Moscow under the NATO (American) banner. God wills it, etc. etc.
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Of fucking course it's Boeing.
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2024-18-06
Probably use Boeing. /s
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No, I'm referring to an eerily similar story we all lived through in 2003 Wrong country is irrelevant to the story Also, George W. Bush hasn't been president for 16 years but for some reason that didn't warrant correction
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2024-18-06
Ok, sure thing chief
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2024-18-06
It's okay, you didn't get the joke. We can move on now
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2024-18-06
I don’t think you know what comedy is. But that’s ok. Have a good one
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2024-18-06
Nah, it's on point It's fine, not everyone is going to get every joke
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Why are there civilians next to hostages? Lol
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2024-18-06
Held hostages by Hamas?
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2024-18-06
Do you know for certain that he is somewhere in Gaza?
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2024-18-06
It all started after people fleeing their homes during the Russian pogroms of 1881-1884.
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Meanwhile Europe continues propping up Russia by increasing their purchases of Russian natural gas. https://www.ft.com/content/15e7b892-c4f3-45b8-b375-80ef52e4b83c
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2024-18-06
Applies the other way around too. Y'all are too dependant on China.
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2024-18-06
> Same with renewable energy getting us out of alliance with troublesome Middle East countries. And who do you suppose makes the cheapest solar panels and now wind turbines by far?
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2024-18-06
Russia bought 4 billion dollars worth of weapons from India and NATO/US stayed silent.
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Fuck if only Ukraine had a General such as yourself. The war would be over. Call of Duty and bowls full of Cheetos has sharpened your keen military mind.
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2024-18-06
Might get you a bit tipsy.
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2024-18-06
Oh, sounds like an escalulation.
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2024-18-06
Ukraine should be allowed to keep whatever ground they take and push foreward HARD.
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Hold on... Isn't the entire narrative that they "are only against Israel as a country and not against Jews"? But now they want to allow Arab Israelis but not Jewish Israelis? Plenty of Jewish Israelis are against their government. And plenty of Arab Israelis are active members of the IDF. They are showing their true colors.
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Iran has buried everything deep underground and for sure Wikipedia has no idea how deep. Israel would have to inflict massive human casualties to stop production and we see how well that is going for them.
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They would but they got another one killing them out. It's kinda hard to prioritize
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I’m pretty sure hamas has been hindering their efforts before Israel’s retaliation
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Maybe but if there was ever any real chance that Palestinians would've fought back again them went out the window when Israel revealed how little they care about them. People hate Biden but if another country attacked us, almost all of us would put that hatred aside
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They did try and Hamas violently suppressed it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Gaza_economic_protests#:~:text=The%202019%20Gaza%20economic%20protests,of%20living%20and%20tax%20hikes.&text=The%20protests%20were%20met%20with,security%20forces%20to%20disperse%20protesters.
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You are correct. Hamas has violently crushed protests in the Gaza strip https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/03/gaza-hamas-must-end-brutal-crackdown-against-protesters-and-rights-defenders/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Gaza_economic_protests#:~:text=The%202019%20Gaza%20economic%20protests,of%20living%20and%20tax%20hikes.&text=The%20protests%20were%20met%20with,security%20forces%20to%20disperse%20protesters.
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Bird flu sponsored by big “Milk” brought you by the producers of soy, oat, almond, cashew, coconut, hemp, rice, and for some reason goat milk. (Pea, hazelnut, and flax milk could not be reached for comment)
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Then why do vegans make you uncomfortable?
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