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Ah i see we need stock buybacks
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2024-03-06
We are switching to Apple Music
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2024-03-06
speak with your wallets and migrate to another provider. it would be better, for the artists, if you actually buy their music and merch. I get we all can't do that but honestly it is better to buy from them than feed this machine that makes the CEOs and board of directors rich, these people add zero value add to these products, yet reap more money than these artists would in X lifetimes.
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2024-03-06
Been an apple music subscriber forever. Love it, and the native integration with iOS.
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2024-03-06
Exactly. This is why I stick with 8 track tapes.
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2024-03-06
The only thing that most heavy users complain about is that, if you say have a big playlist. You might notice that if you hit shuffle playlist, it seems to play mostly the first half of the playlist rather than an actual shuffle of the whole playlist. Hard to explain. I've personally really enjoyed YouTube's recommendations algorithms as well.
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2024-03-06
Apple Music is really good, if you have an iOS device
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2024-03-06
All that lobbying against US tech won’t pay for itself.
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2024-03-06
You get a lot back on YTM by just being able to play YouTube videos as songs through YTM. Also having Premium rolled in with the sub is a nice bonus.
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2024-03-06
And I’m out. You too Netflix.
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2024-03-06
How exactly are CDs "vastly" superior to streaming?
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2024-03-06
You can use third-party native clients for Spotify with a Premium subscription.
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2024-03-06
Yeah. I've found so much good stuff from Discover Weekly. I can't see something like YouTube Music being as good for recommendations, as their regular video recommendation feed is just terrible. Tidal just hasn't been on my radar at all.
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2024-03-06
Podcasts is the reason I wanted to move away from Spotify, but Tidal isn't available in my country. I have an irrational hatred for podcasts.
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2024-03-06
You can rip em and stick em then jam to em.
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2024-03-06
There's a revanced version of YouTube music.
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2024-03-06
The music industry doesn't map well onto traditional labor-capital relations models for a bunch of reasons. The most obvious one: music is an art that people will do whether they are being paid for it or not. The rates may be unfair, but it is an unfairness that is tolerable to most of the people, because they get so much enjoyment out of the work. Also, the most salient paying customers for music, radio, streaming, and live venues, treat the product as fungible, which means that competition is fierce. But arguably the most important reason is what labor economist Sherwin Rosen calls "The Superstar Effect". Because of the cultural and social network dynamics underlying music popularity, combined with mass distribution and the finite amount of attention that audience members have to devote to an artist and the absence of any kind of "switching cost", very small differences in audience preference towards an artist balloon massively into total cultural dominance for one, and complete obscurity for everyone else, caused by little more than the fickle unpredictable whims of culture. The upshot being that these fields like painting, music, comedy, books, film, can only support a small handful, maybe a few hundred, well-paid professionals at a time, and those professionals are always going to be massively *over*paid, because that's just how this market behaves. Labels and distributors are shitty in lots of ways, but at least this part is not their fault.
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2024-03-06
And still no Hi fidelity audio they promised like 4 years ago.
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2024-03-06
I already do that. I'm looking into tidal. It would be nice to have an official non electron app.
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2024-03-06
spotify made almost 1 billion dollars in profit last year. And the CEO comes out and says making music is free. Yet they charge so much for subscription and keep raising pricing. https://www.musicradar.com/news/spotify-ceo-content-zero
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2024-03-06
Bold of Spotify to increase prices when their player and all the features don't work reliably, and I'm having to deal with [this](https://imgur.com/5MggrMd)
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2024-03-06
Jay-Z isn't part of Tidal anymore. That should count for something?
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2024-03-06
Bluetooth can be pretty high quality. SBC is the worst and most basic, then AAC, then AptX, then AptX HD, then LDAC. If you're usinga head unit new enough to support Android Auto it's probably using AptX which is pretty good. Apple only supports AAC but their encoding seems to be higher quality than other AAC implementations. Most digital music is around the quality of AAC. YouTube can technically be decent quality, similar to the low end of a streaming service, but a lot of the uploads are lower quality since there isn't any sort of standard you need to adhere to or anything.
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2024-03-06
SoundDiiz is so handy I actually pay for it annually. Connects to all the major streaming services plus things like Discogs and Reddit. Super handy if you want to jump between services or create playlists from external sites.
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2024-03-06
Personally, that's *exactly* what I've been doing. Well, minus the pirating mostly (I just use Youtube Music to stream). If they aren't available on Bandcamp, iTunes has been my backup to purchase. But that's mostly because I've been following japanese music more recently, and I'm unable to find the vast majority outside Apple.
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2024-03-06
Going to be bringing back Napster like apps again.
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2024-03-06
My #1 favorite feature of Spotify is their recommendation algorithm and the Discover Weekly playlist subscribers get. I've found such a huge amount of good and obscure music via that playlist that it's been worth the cost. Given my disappointing experiences with YouTube's normal video recommendations, I cannot fathom YouTube Music recommending anywhere as good. If you only want to easily listen to the music you already know, I can see any music service with a good library to be sufficient.
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2024-03-06
In addition to lossless, hi-res lossless (for those who have the hardware to enjoy it), and Dolby Atmos for that same base price. It's basically the same way Apple TV+ works. One tier gets you access to all the content with no ads, and 4K+HDR on all the content that is available with it, and offline downloads are included. Compared to Netflix, MAX, etc. who all tier their services by stream quality and how many screens or offline downloads you can have. The one thing I've come to appreciate about Apple in the services realm is that they aren't gatekeeping content/stream quality like other services. You don't need to pay extra for lossless music nor 1080p or 4K or HDR or Dolby Vision. And aside from Apple Music, most of their services are sharable with others in your family for no additional charge.
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2024-03-06
Every publicly traded company needs to have constant growing profits/revenue. We are the ones that end up paying for it.
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2024-03-06
Haven't paid for Spotify in years, it's such a scam anyway. I'd rather sail the high seas, free lifetime premium and I don't encourage corporate greed.
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2024-03-06
> I hate to lose my playlists but if YouTube Music works with Android Auto, It does. I use YouTube Music because it carried over my Google Play music back in the day and I never really felt like starting all over again, it's not great compared to Google Play Music back in the day but it's fine I guess.
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2024-03-06
There's options on Android. Just putting that out there.
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2024-03-06
I’ve been enjoying Tidal since I moved off Spotify.
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2024-03-06
> I don't think they have literally ever earned a profit. Where do you get that from? they earned almost 1 billion last year https://www.musicradar.com/news/spotify-ceo-content-zero
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2024-03-06
Unless I’m missing something, Spotify is $12 a month while tidal is $11 a month. Not much of a difference worth it to make the switch
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2024-03-06
https://preview.redd.it/…542f49861ab2314a
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2024-03-06
It would be, but good luck convincing _anyone_ these days to make native clients, especially if you want them to support Linux and not just Windows and _maybe_ Mac. Electron's sheer RAM consumption pisses me off, but at least it means a lot of things that previously didn't have Linux support do now since it's trivial to port Electron stuff. If only half of the services didn't ban third-party native clients (cough) DISCORD (cough).
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2024-03-06
Ah I see you subscribe to /r/music
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2024-03-06
I've been trying Tidal for a few months now and just decided to finally cancel Spotify. The library is pretty much equivalent. The app is simple and the shuffle seems to work better than Spotify (my main issue). I like the mixes and there are some great playlist options. Search isn't as good, and they tend to gear toward hip-hop on the home screen, but the algorithm does a good job focusing on the genres I appreciate and bringing new stuff to my attention.
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2024-03-06
[They do.](https://tidal.com/transfer-music) I haven't tested it yet but I'm sick of Spotify BS so I'm probably gonna swap once I do further research.
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2024-03-06
The ghost of napster will rise again.
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2024-03-06
Don't worry, yt music will magically decide to raise its own price now. And it'll be $1 cheaper than Spotify again, coincidentally. Nothing to do with monopolistic behavior at all. 
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2024-03-06
These mfs are doing this multiple times a year now smh if I didn’t still get Hulu for free with mine I’d cancel but you can’t beat Hulu and Spotify for basically $6 each
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2024-03-06
It’s 2040. I shutter as I open my monthly bank statement. Spotify: $82. Netflix: $91. Google Drive: $56.
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2024-03-06
I wish there was a better alternative to Spotify. Youtube music is a pain in the ass to use and I really don't like tidal's apps and find both services discovery features to be lacking. Sure do love being fucked around by megacorporations with the only options be 'accept it' or just lose all my music/playlists/discovery feed. Lit.
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2024-03-06
He should be cancelled?
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2024-03-06
It lacks a bunch of ai generated noise, but I see that as a feature
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2024-03-06
You pick them up fro like 5 cents a CD, rip em onto a NAS, then stream with PlexAmp. I do the same thing with DVDs, rip em, then play them via Plex. Got rid of SlingTV via HDHomeRun and Plex, got rid of Hulu and netflix because of HDHomeRun, PlutoTV, FreeTV, and ripping DVDs, I only have amazon because of the shipping, and Prime Videos is just a benefit I get.
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2024-03-06
Missing some stuff but not heaps. I'd say the worst part is the smart playlists which are even worse than spotify's, and it doesn't sync between multiple devices at all like spotify does.
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2024-03-06
So then what’s the best alternative out there?
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2024-03-06
Zoomlet detected. They make CD sleeve books for this exact purpose.
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2024-03-06
Literally no one is doing that, lol. You tip them then play them via syncing the Mp3 to your phone, or streaming via Plex or Plexamp(Native Plex is garbage for music, but outstanding for movies TV shows).
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2024-03-06
I switched to Apple Music about a year ago, and couldn't be happier about it. Spotify still has the best discovery algorithm, but that's just not enough to make up for their pricing and low quality.
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2024-03-06
These increases are not sustainable, they’re just going to keep doing it until something has to give.
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2024-03-06
You can do all those things with Apple Music. I use apple music on my android device because I don't like the youtube music platform. I also pay for youtuve premium but dont use music because I dont like how connected the two are. When I like a song I dont want it cluttering my playlists on youtube and visa versa. When I want to be notified of a new album for a group I dont always want to susbcribe to their youtube channel. Hell, the apple music app has a dynamic color widget just like other good android apps. I personally really like apple music and I'm not looking forward to the day I ever get priced out and need to only use youtube music.
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2024-03-06
>Tidal works on teslas. So does apple music. Yes, I am aware of that, but again Tidal itself doesn't have podcasts, which is why I started this thread in the first place. I wasn't sure if Apple Music had podcasts part of itself as well or if they have their own separate Apple podcasts app they only put podcasts on. If it is the latter where Apple only has podcasts on their podcast app which doesn't exist on it still would be less convenient. The reason I started this thread was mainly me just saying Spotify is more convenient to me and that was the reason to get a streaming service in the first place. Not everyone wanted to continue paying $10 for each album or $1 for each song or deal with ruining a computer because of limewire back in the day. I understand that this convenience comes with a price as does everything these days I was just pointing out that maybe Tidal could integrate podcasts since it is basically an open free system.
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2024-03-06
YouTube music sub gets rid of ads on YouTube too. It's why I switched from Spotify to YouTube music.
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2024-03-06
Already did. No-brainer. Spotify can go fuck themselves.
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2024-03-06
You may be able to find a record player/ cd player and get the best of both worlds. 
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2024-03-06
This is what I do. You can have any obscure song in your playlist that is only uploaded on YouTube as a video.
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2024-03-06
They’re better quality than low bit rate streams like YouTube. But once you get to high bit rate streams most people won’t hear the difference. They’re limited in what they can hear by their ears or the speakers they’re using. And even for people with good ears and speakers most services offer FLAC which is virtually indistinguishable from CD quality audio.
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2024-03-06
Tidal offers this?
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2024-03-06
Maybe I just misunderstood the phrase "CDs. They're still awesome and vastly superior to streaming", but you're talking about streaming. You're just streaming from your local source.
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2024-03-06
I don't recall the specifics, but Nero didn't bring in any metadata/text with my shitty burner and I didn't get internet access until 2006 or so. Anyway, this was how I'd spend my Sundays back then. And the guy at my local library making dope recommendations/apparently ignoring age restrictions combined with me making copies for all my friends was about the only reason I was popular in middle school lol.
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2024-03-06
Meanwhile it’s the opposite for me usually. It’s why I’ve never been able to justify music streaming subs.
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2024-03-06
had premium then muh kiddo took over the family plan, killed spotify and switched to Tidal. seems to work just as good
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2024-03-06
Yeah, I can understand that. I never got into them until I started having a commute that was 30-40 minutes long each way every day. They make the time go by better for me than listening to music all the time.
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2024-03-06
The only thing youtube music doesn't do that spotify does, is let you download a playlist to an apple watch. So if you want to go running with music and without a phone in you pocket, you're out of luck.
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2024-03-06
"Demonetizing" all songs below 1000 streams, am i reading it right they won't pay artists for songs that don't reach 1000 streams? What kind of capitalist bullshit is that? Spotify have crossed over into pure evil.
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2024-03-06
oh, so that's how spotify plans to offset the cost of "refunding" all those car things, make everyone else pay for it. private gains, social losses
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2024-03-06
Didn’t Spotify pay off a large portion of their operations team? And they raised prices twice this year? Yikes
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2024-03-06
You should **Seek** into your **Soul** to find the answer. It's very easy to do that.
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2024-03-06
I had YouTube music and switched to Spotify because YouTube was just awful. I'd have a playlist with 500 songs and it would only shuffle the most recent 30 or so. Spotify isn't perfect but it's been way better than my YouTube music ever was. That said Spotify raising their prices again pisses me off pretty good and I might have to explore alternative options.
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2024-03-06
Yeah, there's a dedicated YouTube Music app with autogenerated playlists, discovery playlists, etc. Not sure how it compares to Spotify since I've never used it, but if you're already paying for YouTube, download the app and mess around with it. The thing about the videos that other post mentions is that in addition to the standard music, videos related to that artist will also show up in their page on Youtube Music. So you can play a live performance video that's on YouTube right on the music app.
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2024-03-06
Gotta keep increasing profits to fluff the shareholders, guys. If you can't grow in userbase you just have to increase prices. See you next year when we repeat the whole shebang.
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2024-03-06
I hate this because I remember a time when I'd have to wait half a day for a song to download only for it to not be what I wanted or to be fake. Never thought I'd have every song ever in my hand for both my wife and I for 12.99 But I feel spoiled now. And will be looking for alternatives. I have zero allegiance to a company. I don't think they offer anything that other companies don't other than the audiobooks thing and maybe it's time to go back to a pirates life for me with those.
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2024-03-06
The executives need a new yacht
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2024-03-06
I understand what you are saying, however, the genie is out the bottle on the way music media is consumed in general at this point. The physical media front is really only for the niche/collection fans rather than most. If we are start seeing a shift to folks removing music wholesale from services then I think we can agree it will be concerning for all consumers.
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2024-03-06
I locked my kid's phone down to just spotify so that he could listen to podcasts and music to get to sleep. Turns out they let people upload "video podcasts" that are just a compilation of youtube garbage. Such an awful idea on so many levels.
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2024-03-06
That's fair, I'm in the electronic music sphere where those costs go down significantly since you don't have to rely on recording quality as much
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2024-03-06
Give it a shot! I love YouTube music!
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2024-03-06
Whatever works for you. Only issue there is having to maintain a local library and finding certain albums in high quality lossless can be challenging.
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2024-03-06
I have to spend another 170 on an ssd because my existing 3 are getting full. 😪
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2024-03-06
what car thing?
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2024-03-06
"Be a Rogan fan and open your mind, don't worry about everything falling out" - Joe Rogan fan.
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2024-03-06
I look forward to watching these companies price themselves out of operation.
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2024-03-06
For Spotify if you are on Android and don't care about downloading music look for xmanager. Basically you can download Spotify with all the premium feature for free.
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2024-03-06
Everyone looks at me funny when I tell them I never had a Spotify account. I’m glad I never did
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2024-03-06
Audio quality. Spotify is ass
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2024-03-06
Why do you need an extra device to use Spotify in your car? “You guys have phones, don’t you?”
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2024-03-06
If you mostly listen to pop music it’s fine. Tho lacking some stuff. For anything else it sucks.
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2024-03-06
You can easily tell the difference, the bass in general is way weaker on Youtube music. They compress the audio like crazy.
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2024-03-06
Eh. I’m an audiophile too and the trade off is well worth it.
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2024-03-06
Moved to YouTube premium family plan $20 a month 5 seats for YouTube premium and YouTube music app. I lose a few Spotify pod casts but it's fine for the price. YouTube with out ads is so much time saved.
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2024-03-06
I only heard about the car thing from the recent news, you'll have to find someone who owns the product as to why not use their phones
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2024-03-06
Glad I'm on android so I don't have to pay those ridiculous prices.
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2024-03-06
This is gonna be the price increase that makes me go back to youtube premium. Lot of value with youtube premium
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2024-03-06
One problem with less popular artists is that sometimes they get mixed up with artists that have the same name. Shogun, for instance, is a somewhat popular EDM artist that releases mostly under the Armada Music label, but if you go to his page on Tidal you'll see a bunch of stuff from other artists called Shogun. That's one of the things that drove me away from Tidal, they also don't have custom playlist covers and the overall UI is underwhelming (albeit I prefer their full screen mode and queue visualization).
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2024-03-06
Cost of Spotify for 1 year will be $240. That buys what? 30 classic albums *or* 16 new releases? Not bad if you tend to listen to the same artists and songs frequently.
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2024-03-06
Isn't the founder of Spotify the former CEO of uTorrent?
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