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on saturday september NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER pm gary lawrence murphy wrote although it s like a total shock to NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERnines of all the employed website designers out there the truth is webforms can accept u s of a as a country incredible but true web forms can also accept multiple or even free form telephone numbers and can even be partitioned into manageable steps all this can also be done without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the world s second richest corporation assuming cisco is still NUMBER and vendor locking your business into their small transaction fee tithe yes but this is what normally happened engineer we can put an input validator parser on the backend to do that designer there s a javascript library that can do some of the pre validation creative director i want it in blue with a zooming logo engineer can we get to that later we need to meet functional specs creative director you don t understand i want it in blue creative director oh and the site launches this friday because i sent out a press release about our new strategic partnership with hypecorp designer fine we ll just put a list of countries in a drop down engineer and we can validate against that list creative director i don t give a shit as long as it s in blue and has a link to my press release bill humphries bill whump com URL

at NUMBER NUMBER am NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gregory alan bolcer wrote ieNUMBER and netscape NUMBER NUMBER have pre forms sutff but i always turn it off because you never know when there s that one field that you don t want to submit to the person you are submitting to that automatically gets sent i e the privacy stuff is well beyond the average user who will get screwed on privacy stuff opera NUMBER has an interesting way around this you just right click on each field and bring up a choice of prefilled local information that you can then choose to enter into the form now if they can just fix the irritating memory problems that operaNUMBER has hakon you listening udhay udhay shankar n udhay pobox com www digeratus com

b bill humphries bill whump com writes b yes but this is what normally happened b engineer we can put b designer there s a b creative director i want it in blue yup seen it happen oodles of times only all three of those folks are one and the same person the fourth is the business manager who says whatever so long as you do it on your own time gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

dear flatware i m about to undertake a massive project to index catalog well over one thousand cds that have been ripped to mpNUMBER and set up a server to stream them to different rooms in the house yes i own them all no i m not broadcasting them to the net can anyone give me some recommendations as to what free opensource software is best suited for this task i know there are a few forks out there who have tackled this problem before i d like to be able to dynamically generate play lists from queries like jazz released between NUMBER and NUMBER or artist such and such between these dates or just these artists or just this genre you get the idea in addition to having multiple streams that i can tune in to a la dmx i d like to be able to browse the database through a web interface from other computers in the house and pull specific music down to wherever i am thanks elias

gary lawrence murphy wrote although it s like a total shock to NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERnines of all the employed website designers out there the truth is webforms can accept u s of a as a country incredible but true web forms can also accept multiple or even free form telephone numbers and can even be partitioned into manageable steps all this can also be done without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the world s second richest corporation assuming cisco is still NUMBER and vendor locking your business into their small transaction fee tithe ah but you ve just gotten to the crux of the situation there s good design and bad design there s good testing and bad testing the problem is anyone can design a good web form but nobody does i think best practices hasn t caught up on main street web enablement yet there s some really great packages on how to do this stuff and in fact the usability people knew that web forms needed to be fixed NUMBER years ago so that s why we got xforms and xhtml you can shoot yourself in the foot and people usually do what the problem is they don t even recognize that they re gimpy ever they just keeping trundling along making a mess of everything assured in their job security that they can build web forms without even caring if they can be used or not beyond their test machine if you had a piece of software and a security warning came out NUMBER years ago on it would you run that software wouldn t you have patched or upgraded something so fundamentally broken NUMBER years and NUMBER months ago what i want to know is why would someone use web forms best practices from NUMBER years ago i mean you can get a college degree in that time imagine if the next version of microsoft windows or red hat linux forced you to use a tiled window manager sure tiled windows were the best we had for a brief period of time but they are completely useless except for some terminal based replacement applications the bottom line is if you can t get across the bridge then it s broken regardless of whose fault it really is and it s the business that needs to take responsibility as they are the ones that wanted to put the bridge there in the first place greg

at NUMBER NUMBER am NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER elias wrote i m about to undertake a massive project to index catalog well over one thousand cds that have been ripped to mpNUMBER and set up a server to stream them to different rooms in the house yes i own them all no i m not broadcasting them to the net can anyone give me some recommendations as to what free opensource software is best suited for this task i know there are a few forks out there who have tackled this problem before see if URL meets your needs udhay udhay shankar n udhay pobox com www digeratus com

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this article from URL has been sent to you by khare URL another reminder that the moral writ of intellectual property is and ought to be more limited than real property private money paid for these bits but expropriation may be fairer for ip than real p rohit khare URL vast detail on towers collapse may be sealed september NUMBER NUMBER by james glanz and eric lipton what is almost certainly the most sophisticated and complete understanding of exactly how and why the twin towers of the world trade center fell has been compiled as part of a largely secret proceeding in federal court in lower manhattan amassed during the initial stages of a complicated insurance lawsuit involving the trade center the confidential material contains data and expert analysis developed by some of the nation s most respected engineering minds it includes computer calculations that have produced a series of three dimensional images of the crumpled insides of the towers after the planes hit helping to identify the sequence of failures that led to the collapses an immense body of documentary evidence like maps of the debris piles rare photos and videos has also been accumulated in a collection that far outstrips what government analysts have been able to put together as they struggle to answer the scientifically complex and emotionally charged questions surrounding the deadly failures of the buildings but everyone from structural engineers to relatives of victims fear that the closely held information which includes the analysis and the possible answers that families and engineers around the world have craved may remain buried in sealed files or even destroyed bound by confidentiality agreements with their clients the experts cannot disclose their findings publicly as they wait for the case to play out such restrictions are typical during the discovery phase of litigation and as it now stands the judge in the case who has agreed that certain material can remain secret for the time being has approved standard legal arrangements that should the lawsuit be settled before trial could cause crucial material generated by the competing sides to be withheld we re obviously in favor of releasing the information but we can t until we re told what to do said matthys levy an engineer and founding partner at weidlinger associates who is a consultant in the case and the author of why buildings fall down how structures fail norton NUMBERnd edition NUMBER let s just say we understand the mechanics of the whole process of the collapse mr levy said monica gabrielle who lost her husband richard when the south tower fell and who is a member of the skyscraper safety campaign said the information should be disclosed if they have answers and are not going to share them i would be devastated mrs gabrielle said they have a moral obligation the lawsuit that has generated the information involves larry a silverstein whose companies own a lease on the trade center property and a consortium of insurance companies mr silverstein maintains that each jetliner that hit the towers constituted a separate terrorist attack entitling him to some NUMBER billion rather than half that amount as the insurance companies say as both sides have prepared their arguments they have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars acquiring expert opinion about exactly what happened to the towers dean davison a spokesman for industrial risk insurers of hartford one of the insurance companies in the suit said of the findings there are some confidentiality agreements that are keeping those out of the public domain today he conceded that differing opinions among the more than NUMBER insurers on his side of the case could complicate any release of the material as for his own company whose consultants alone have produced more than NUMBER NUMBER pages of analysis and thousands of diagrams and photographs mr davison said every attempt would be made to give the material eventually to public authorities and investigative teams still some of that analysis relies on information like blueprints and building records from other sources like the port authority of new york and new jersey which built and owned the trade center and supports mr silverstein in the suit mr davison said he was uncertain how the differing origins of the material would influence his company s ability to release information in a statement the port authority said access to documents would be decided on a case by case basis consistent with applicable law and policy adding that it would cooperate with federal investigations the fate of the research is particularly critical to resolve unanswered questions about why the towers fell given the dissatisfaction with the first major inquiry into the buildings collapse that investigation led by the federal emergency management agency was plagued by few resources a lack of access to crucial information like building plans and infighting among experts and officials a new federal investigation intended to remedy those failings has just begun at the national institute of standards and technology or nist an agency that has studied many building disasters officials with nist have said it could take years to make final determinations and recommendations for other buildings a process they now acknowledge might be speeded up with access to the analysis done by the consultants on the lawsuit gerald mckelvey a spokesman for mr silverstein said of the real estate executive s own heavily financed investigative work we decline to comment other than to say that silverstein is cooperating fully with the nist investigation a spokesman for the agency confirmed it was in discussions with mr silverstein on the material but said no transfer had taken place with no shortage of money or expertise investigations by both sides in the legal case have produced a startling body of science and theory some of it relevant not only to the trade center disaster but to other skyscrapers as well the work should be available to other investigators said ramon gilsanz a structural engineer and managing partner at gilsanz murray steficek who was a member of the earlier inquiry it could be used to build better buildings in the future legal experts say confidentiality arrangements like the one governing the material can lead to a variety of outcomes from full or partial disclosure to destruction of such information in some cases litigants who paid for the reports may make them public themselves or they may ask to have them sealed forever it is not unusual for one party or another to try to keep some of those documents secret for one reason or another some legitimate some not said lee levine a first amendment lawyer at levine sullivan koch in washington mr levine said that because of the presumed value of the information the court might look favorably on requests to make it public but the uncertainty over the fate of the material is unnerving to many people especially experts who believe that only a complete review of the evidence not piecemeal disclosures by litigants eager to protect their own interests could lead to an advance in the federal investigation of the trade center it s important for this to get presented and published and subjected to some scrutiny said dr john osteraas director of civil engineering practice at exponent failure analysis in menlo park calif and a consultant on the case because then the general engineering community can sort it out the scope of the investigation behind the scenes is vast by any measure mr levy and his colleagues at weidlinger associates hired by silverstein properties have called upon powerful computer programs originally developed with the pentagon for classified research to create a model of the sept NUMBER attack from beginning to end the result is a compilation of three dimensional images of the severed exterior columns smashed floor and damaged core of the towers beginning with the impacts and proceeding up to the moments of collapse those images which mr levy is not allowed to release have helped pinpoint the structural failures the fema investigators did not have access to such computer modeling nor did the fema team have unfettered access to the trade center site with all its evidence in the weeks immediately after the attacks but no such constraints hampered engineers at lza thornton tomasetti brought to the site for emergency work beginning on the afternoon of sept NUMBER daniel a cuoco the company president and a consultant to silverstein properties on the case said he had assembled detailed maps of the blazing debris at ground zero in models that perhaps contain further clues about how the towers fell though the fema team could not determine where things actually fell mr cuoco said we ve indicated the specific locations mr cuoco said he could not reveal any additional details of the findings nor would mr osteraas discuss the details of computer calculations his company has done on the spread of fires in large buildings like the twin towers mr osteraas has also compiled an extensive archive of photographs and videos of the towers that day some of which he believes have not been available to other investigators and the investigation has not limited itself to computers and documentary evidence for months experiments in wind tunnels in the united states and canada have been examining the aerodynamics that fed the flames that day and stressed the weakening structures jack cermak president of cermak peterka peterson in fort collins colo was retained by the insurance companies but had previously performed wind tunnel studies for the original design of the twin towers nearly NUMBER years ago for the legal case dr cermak said we ve done probably more detailed measurements than in the original design the data that have been acquired are very valuable in themselves for understanding how wind and buildings interact dr cermak said some of the information may be valuable for the litigation he said adding i think i ve told you all i can URL how to advertise for information on advertising in e mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with the new york times on the web please contact onlinesales URL or visit our online media kit at URL for general information about URL write to help URL copyright NUMBER the new york times company

michael wrote URL i thought this nekkid url was going to be about the infringement of NUMBERst amendment rights for broadcasters and proposed campaign finanice restrictions preventing them from making money on advertisements that are deemed thinly veiled campaign contributions by some arbitrary government board as it was posted to discussion i thought there d be some instead it s a post gazette column by brian o neill lamenting the fact that some people know how to fill out a permit so that they can take advantage of their right to peaceable assembly obviously he s poking fun at the idea that specific groups get specific zones and that it s not up to the police to decide what messages and signs get put into what zones to most expediently keep order the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting political rallies that you don t agree with has become common practice the courts have constantly ruled that there are some restrictions on the first amendment they teach you that your very first year of law school i think that given the information as laid out by the story mr o neill has confused free speech with action free speech or even protected speech as practiced by almost every american seems to involve the ability to communicate an idea to an unknown audience action involves directing a specific comment to a specific well defined individual or audience that has immediate harmful and sometimes physical effects that is easily forseeable by any reasonable person i think bill neel of butler needs to go back to school as obviously he must have been sleeping in his civics class or else they didn t teach civics in mini guantanamo oh NUMBER years ago greg

owen byrne wrote what a load of crap politics are somehow more muddy now i d say that its considerably clearer the vast majority of people feel disenfranchised and the common practice of putting protestors in boxes is done usually to hide them from tv cameras visiting dignitaries etc further exacerbating those feelings unpeaceably disrupting political rallies is now usually done by police with riot gear and pepper spray we had a good one here a month or so ago a few people peaceably strayed from the permit area which was nearly a mile from the site of the meeting of finance ministers held here the motorcade drove by it for about NUMBER seconds and were immediately gassed beaten and arrested not very muddied at all what does that exactly have to do with the statement that distruption of peacable political assembly has become a common practice disruption tool it s an observation not a judgement comment approval you ve focused on the word muddy to use it in a different context than the one i posted maybe the distinction i was trying to make was too subtle and i was trying to be too clever with my writing this morning let me summarize the important parts of my post for you i have a premise that there is a difference between free and protected speech and action i think o neill on his soapbox doesn t understand the distinction all better greg

URL gab i thought this nekkid url was going to be about the gab infringement of NUMBERst amendment rights for broadcasters gab and proposed campaign finanice restrictions preventing them gab from making money on advertisements that are deemed gab thinly veiled campaign contributions by some arbitrary gab government board as it was posted to discussion i gab thought there d be some gab instead it s a post gazette column by brian o neill gab lamenting the fact that some people know how to gab fill out a permit so that they can take advantage gab of their right to peaceable assembly obviously gab he s poking fun at the idea that specific groups gab get specific zones and that it s not up to the gab police to decide what messages and signs get put into gab what zones to most expediently keep order oh thats right greg because was explicitly clear that the pro bush folks went out and did the permit dance so where in the article is this again lets get something straight here this is a first amendment issue public streets provided one isn t blocking traffic generally tend to be sorta ok at least from my last interpretation of con law a few years ago i ll feign ignorance wrt the fact that laws may have changed and the specific facts in this case are weak if this guy _was_ merely holding a sign which it seems was the case for all the pro bush folks he did nothing wrong he certainly didn t do enough of a wrong to warrant a disorderly conduct charge i ll play with your perspective though lets assume a few things if i walk into the city office and tell them i want to peacably assemble against bush do you think they ll give me a permit probably not so i lie then the cop does what happened in this scenario he walks up checks my permit and finds out that i falsified my statement to get this said document he arrests me end of story gab the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied gab nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting gab political rallies that you don t agree with has become gab common practice the courts have constantly ruled gab that there are some restrictions on the first amendment gab they teach you that your very first year of law school i ll agree with owen on this one muddied my ass how hard is it to chose between a republocrat or a demipublican not very shouting down has grown to become the answer because the government over a span of years and with the help of the courts has limited the rights we have as citizens under the first amendment if you question the policy about terrorism or drugs or iraq or bush in general you re aiding terrorism if you challenge the beliefs of the folks attending the various shadowy gNUMBER conferences you re an anarchist and you re herded off to a designated protest spot miles away from anything part of the point of speech is to be heard i can scream on my soapbox in the forest somewhere and while thats speech its not effective speech people are screaming and shouting over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other way gab i think that given the information as laid out by the story gab mr o neill has confused free speech with action free gab speech or even protected speech as practiced by almost gab every american seems to involve the ability to communicate gab an idea to an unknown audience action involves directing gab a specific comment to a specific well defined individual or audience gab that has immediate harmful and sometimes physical gab effects that is easily forseeable by any reasonable person getting back to my original point how do you communicate an idea to an unknown audience if you re miles from where the audience is how do you bypass the rules for being miles away from the audience without violating the rules of the regime i don t think mr nell was throwing pies at bush a sign the last time i checked didn t cause physical injury or even emotional harm if i remember cohen v california NUMBER u s NUMBER NUMBER its not the individual speaking that has the requirement to desist but the individual listening who has the option to leave just my NUMBER while its still considered legal best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting political rallies that you don t agree with has become common practice the courts have constantly ruled that there are some restrictions on the first amendment they teach you that your very first year of law school i don t think politics is any muddier people are becoming increasingly unethical it s a breakdown in home training bill

gregory alan bolcer wrote at zones to most expediently keep order the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting political rallies that you don t agree with has become common practice the courts have constantly ruled that there are some restrictions on the first amendment they teach you that your very first year of law school what a load of crap politics are somehow more muddy now i d say that its considerably clearer the vast majority of people feel disenfranchised and the common practice of putting protestors in boxes is done usually to hide them from tv cameras visiting dignitaries etc further exacerbating those feelings unpeaceably disrupting political rallies is now usually done by police with riot gear and pepper spray we had a good one here a month or so ago a few people peaceably strayed from the permit area which was nearly a mile from the site of the meeting of finance ministers held here the motorcade drove by it for about NUMBER seconds and were immediately gassed beaten and arrested not very muddied at all owen

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gab the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied gab nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting gab political rallies that you don t agree with has become gab common practice the courts have constantly ruled gab that there are some restrictions on the first amendment gab they teach you that your very first year of law school i ll agree with owen on this one muddied my ass how hard is it to chose between a republocrat or a demipublican not very shouting down has grown to become the answer because the government over a span of years and with the help of the courts has limited the rights we have as citizens under the first amendment wishful thinking people are just bigger dickheads now culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them the people that do this are not disenfranchised they get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes the act of protesting is more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these people question the policy about terrorism or drugs or iraq or bush in general you re aiding terrorism if you challenge the beliefs of the folks attending the various shadowy gNUMBER conferences you re an anarchist and you re herded off to a designated protest spot miles away from anything part of the point of speech is to be heard i can scream on my soapbox in the forest somewhere and while thats speech its not effective speech people are screaming and shouting over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other way and where does this end shouting down speakers is an obviously stupid tactic if they are really interested in advocating change are they such clueless social morons that they don t see this or are they just interested in stroking their pathetic egos obtw clueless social moron syndrom does not have political boundaries bill

bill stoddard wrote wishful thinking people are just bigger dickheads now nah they ve always been this way culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them culture changing yeh those who fail to learn from history what does it tell you when a market chain is named bread and circus and no one twigs ken p ken coar sanagendamgagwedweinini URL author developer opinionist URL millennium hand and shrimp

wishful thinking people are just bigger dickheads now culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them the people that do this are not disenfranchised they get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes the act of protesting is more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these people ob in my experience this is classic american behaviour and i don t ob think its on the increase outside of the us of a ob i am willing to accept the premise that americans are bigger dickheads ob then they used to be sighs right because americans are the only people capable of being assholes shit history keeps fucking up when they keep mentioning all the historical examples of dickhead ness that have proceeded the us after all we re the only country who gets unruly when it comes to issues thats why its always just the americans at those crazy wto meetings right owen best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

bitbitch URL wrote wishful thinking people are just bigger dickheads now culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them the people that do this are not disenfranchised they get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes the act of protesting is more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these people ob in my experience this is classic american behaviour and i don t ob think its on the increase outside of the us of a ob i am willing to accept the premise that americans are bigger dickheads ob then they used to be sighs right because americans are the only people capable of being assholes shit history keeps fucking up when they keep mentioning all the historical examples of dickhead ness that have proceeded the us after all we re the only country who gets unruly when it comes to issues thats why its always just the americans at those crazy wto meetings right owen a flippant remark that i will probably regret sure there s assholes everywhere i just remember a lunch in spain with a semi famous american i think we had about NUMBER nationalities at the table and he managed to insult each of them within NUMBER minutes a historical perspective makes me think that empires roman british russian american whatever produce a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations and are more likely to have them in positions of authority owen

bill stoddard wrote gab the problem is that politics have gotten so muddied gab nowadays that shouting down and unpeaceably disrupting gab political rallies that you don t agree with has become gab common practice the courts have constantly ruled gab that there are some restrictions on the first amendment gab they teach you that your very first year of law school i ll agree with owen on this one muddied my ass how hard is it to chose between a republocrat or a demipublican not very shouting down has grown to become the answer because the government over a span of years and with the help of the courts has limited the rights we have as citizens under the first amendment wishful thinking people are just bigger dickheads now culture is changing and it is becoming acceptable to get in peoples face and shout them down when you disagree with them the people that do this are not disenfranchised they get their rocks off on being disagreeable assholes the act of protesting is more important than the actual issue being protested for most of these people in my experience this is classic american behaviour and i don t think its on the increase outside of the us of a i am willing to accept the premise that americans are bigger dickheads then they used to be owen

original message from bitbitch magnesium net people are screaming and shouting over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other way what are they illiterate mute what s their problem if somebody stops them from posting web pages or printing newsletters or talking on the phone or organizing their own conference then that would be wrong i don t think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing especially when that individual is busy doing something else and isn t interested

on mon NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER owen byrne wrote in my experience this is classic american behaviour and i don t think its on the increase outside of the us of a in my experience this protest behavior is really only an issue in ultra liberal coastal cities which is where i normally live it is part of the culture and that behavior is viewed as acceptable for comparison contrast this with the character of the arguably more serious protests against federal government abuse in the inter mountain west they have a very different idea of what constitutes acceptable protest practice those protests remain largely civil and polite if heated and aggressive and those involve a far greater percentage of the local population and unlike NUMBER of the liberal coastal city protests i ve seen the people protesting in the inter mountain west are actually facing immediate dire consequences from the activities they are protesting and are strongly motivated to protest in a manner that gets results some of their tactics such as the practice of many businesses and restaurants in northern nevada to not give service to anyone known to be in the employ of the blm and related agencies have been very effective at forcing dialog i don t recall anyone characterizing their protests as impolite rude or violent but then they have more to lose james rogers jamesr URL

hello mr monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote mf original message mf from bitbitch URL people are screaming and shouting over the political figures because they cannot be heard in any other way mf what are they illiterate mute what s their problem if somebody stops mf them from posting web pages or printing newsletters or talking on the mf phone or organizing their own conference then that would be wrong perhaps cannot be heard in any other way period was incorrect what i meant was a time specific occurence sure there are other means outside of the circumstance of the occurence but until we re willing to eliminate the ability to speak in public only for the side that doesn t agree with the political force and make that part of the NUMBERst amendment the parties are screaming and shouting over political figures because they cannot be heard to those figures in any other way mf i don t think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the mf physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing especially mf when that individual is busy doing something else and isn t interested sure and that goes back to my second argument cohen they can walk away nobody compells them to stand there i ll agree fully but we still have a constitutional right to speak out against policies actions and grievances again if you want it another way lets change the constitution best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

original message from bitbitch magnesium net the parties are screaming and shouting over political figures because they cannot be heard to those figures in any other way the right to speak is not the same as the right to be heard by the audience of the speakers choice disruptive protests might be a means to create awareness but that s a pretty lame way to do it if it truly is the only way then i m all for it but disruption for the sake of showing how committed the protesters are is pretty weak

webforms can accept u s of a as a country incredible but true web forms can also accept multiple or even free form telephone numbers are the people who use procrustean web forms practices the same ones who don t accept faxes when i really need to get something done instead of just idle surfing i call or fax faxing like a web form can be done NUMBERxNUMBER it allows me to give all the and only the pertinent info in a single place it also provides a self journalled correspondence which means rollback is easy and replay is even easier dave sure tiled windows were the best we had for a brief period of time but they are completely useless except for some terminal based replacement applications i ve been running a tiled but somewhat overlapped yielding a horizontal stack window manager lately like filling in a web form finding edges and shuffling windows may seem productive but i find that having a window manager manage the windows means i can concentrate on what i want to do with their contents dumb question x client behind a firewall back in my day they didn t have ssh then again back in my day they didn t have firewalls back in my day when one changed computer installations email would be forwarded as a courtesy now we seem to have swung so far in the opposite direction that it makes sense to ditch addresses every couple of years to shed spam

from owen byrne owen permafrost net a flippant remark that i will probably regret sure there s assholes everywhere i just remember a lunch in spain with a semi famous american i think we had about NUMBER nationalities at the table and he managed to insult each of them within NUMBER minutes a historical perspective makes me think that empires roman british russian american whatever produce a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations and are more likely to have them in positions of authority yep those that win battles collect tthe spoils lead and breed want it to be different lead don t whine

on mon NUMBER sep NUMBER tom wrote if the set passes around enough then more people have these works the more folks that have them now while they are still legal to have the likely they will be left behind in the possible probabale copyright chillout and if that doesnt happen then more folks than not will still we will be getting blacknet like guerilla pNUMBERp pretty soon packaging it into wormcode with an initial userbase of a few NUMBER k to mnodes gives you pretty bulletproof plausible deniability have it for uses all manner of shades

mf i don t think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the mf physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing especially mf when that individual is busy doing something else and isn t interested yep i agree NUMBER sure and that goes back to my second argument cohen they can walk away nobody compells them to stand there i ll agree fully but we still have a constitutional right to speak out against policies actions and grievances again if you want it another way lets change the constitution huh are you saying that whoever has the loudest voice gets to be heard shouting down a public speaker could be considered a form of censorship if shouting down public speakers is protected it is only a matter of time before the people doing the shouting have their tactic used against them every single time they open their mouth the tactic is stupid and non productive and if generally used will only result in chaos the tactic is just stupid ego bation at best unless the goal is to generate chaos and humans whose goals and actions in life are to create chaos in society should be locked up provided you can accurately identify them which is not really possible anyway but hey this is my rant imho bill

hello bill monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote mf i don t think free speech is a license to speak directly at and be in the mf physical presence of any particular individual of your choosing especially mf when that individual is busy doing something else and isn t interested bs yep i agree NUMBER sure and that goes back to my second argument cohen they can walk away nobody compells them to stand there i ll agree fully but we still have a constitutional right to speak out against policies actions and grievances again if you want it another way lets change the constitution bs huh are you saying that whoever has the loudest voice gets to be heard bs shouting down a public speaker could be considered a form of censorship if bs shouting down public speakers is protected it is only a matter of time bs before the people doing the shouting have their tactic used against bs them every single time they open their mouth the tactic is stupid and bs non productive and if generally used will only result in chaos the tactic bs is just stupid ego bation at best unless the goal is to generate chaos bs and humans whose goals and actions in life are to create chaos in society bs should be locked up provided you can accurately identify them which is not bs really possible anyway but hey this is my rant imho bs bill no offense or anything but there s a difference between holding a sign that doesn t agree with bush and screaming at him my sole point as far as the NUMBERst amendment goes is that there is more to this game than just being an angry liberal youth which is the gross culmination of everyone s argument sofar the screaming isn t the most effective method around i don t believe i argued that it was but screaming is happening because the means to communicate to the representatives involved are diminishing at least as far as the people doing the screaming are concerned for the record i don t support the screamers in organized conferences such as the colin powell shout down that was mentioned earlier i don t think that this is what the NUMBERst amendment was implying these folks do have a right to be heard and i think they have a right to be heard by the folks they elected in the first place my point my only point was really more concerned with the cases such as mr nell he wasn t engaged at least from the limited facts we have in a shoutout but rather in a difference of opinion he has a right to possess this opinion and make it known to the representatives that are elected a sign is not a shout out i think i may have missed or not accurately addressed the original thread switch that took this example and mixed in the screaming dissenters to the mix i was mostly responding with my miffedness in having broad brush strokes applied to a group without examining the policy reasons that might have contributed to it in this case the screaming parties are fed up with getting corralled miles away from the folks they need to speak with they re resorting to creative offensive and constitutionally challengable means but its not simply due to the fact that they re NUMBER and have lost all decorum the my generation never did this is all bs there s more to this story we just dont know it all i hope this clarifies my position for the quick rehash screaming free speech on all cases dissent free speech provided you follow what has been laid down by the supremes k best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

on saturday NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you struggled free to say although it s like a total shock to NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERnines of all the employed website designers out there the truth is webforms can accept u s of a as a country incredible but true web forms can also accept multiple or even free form telephone numbers and can even be partitioned into manageable steps all this can also be done without selling exclusive rights to your wallet to the world s second richest corporation assuming cisco is still NUMBER and vendor locking your business into their small transaction fee tithe think of all the people and places that would not get unsolicited mail if we hadn t invented them though perhaps ordering a free enron mug as the king of hell i think it s like pNUMBERp met whatever commercial like forum was rocking yesterday and they took all greg s extra serotonin and lit up and made a successful go of personal address palettes you could occupy and own or rent and even move or sell so you d reply to all the whitepaper sites you wouldn t just call to get the real deal like okay let s say i m in factorytown guangzhou and i m a battery acid supervisor for a multinational that sometimes buys bNUMBERs e mail me if you get your story written up all the way or today i m a NUMBERlb NUMBERm tall mophead with pearlecent teeth and excellent sex linked features but who uses solaris nntp clients got it or merely i can t read baseNUMBER messages i use small alphabets and NUMBER letter words that didn t come from the bible and use calculus and i d thank you to class me as a catamite yes but this is what normally happened engineer we can put an input validator parser on the backend to do that creative director i don t give a shit as long as it s in blue and has a link to my press release nNUMBERkkNUMBERd prrNUMBERzzewNUMBERlz ahr NUMBERvNUMBERl but i thought it had to do with coldfusion compatiblie plugins servlets whatever that overhyped unimplemented features repeatedly openly in rakish NUMBERmb branding first downloads that meshed well with budgeting policies

gregory alan bolcer i m not sure since i haven t attended civics class in quite some time but the first amendment doesn t cover protected speech hate speech or actions the first two are wrong the first amendment does protect speech the supreme court decides it protects duh and that happens to include most of what people consider hate speech unlike many other nations the us has no laws against hate speech per se and the first amendment is the reason for that _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

one of the most bizarre pages i ve seen on the web at first i thought it might be some sort of back story to a rpg but nope it looks like somebody believes this URL mNUMBER dinosaurs eggs and the origins of good and evil dinosaurs reptoid ets are reported to be NUMBER foot high crocodiles walking on their hind legs this is a description of a dinosaur it now appears in remote viewing that the reptoid ets dinosaurs and dragons are all linked together and that they all originated on earth the erideans who are reptoid derivatives have a home planet in the eridanus system like all other ets the reptoids have no reported home planet they also come over as entities with little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit this is a description of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see them thus it could be that the reptoids erideans nordics anunnaki but not the greys all have origins on earth and have a strong link to earth even if they choose to live elsewhere the greys do not appear to have a renal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on earth the definitive work on dragons is the flight of dragons by peter dickinson if dragons did exist in the flesh they did not survive the long bow targets do not come much bigger truth is stranger than fiction thus the writer s current scenario is that there were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard their eggs and young and who probably preferred to live underground they survived the wipe out of the dinosaurs NUMBER million years ago with difficulty they evolved into the erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet for them possibly with the help of another race of ets who wanted slaves but otherwise had no interest in earth or mind control thus it appears that the current reptoids are the spirits or ghosts of the dinosaurs they must have been powerful to survive NUMBER million years and also to appear to some people they have appeared to the writer in remote viewing they are living on as vampire entities such immortal minds are contagious and can easily jump race and species barriers if they can be encouraged to reincarnate then the power sources of the black magicians and mind controllers will disappear encouraging them to reincarnate will help so called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great difficulty surviving reincarnation purging people s dinosaurs should remove all perverse psychic abilities not under their control they are a source of satanic guardian angels and demons they control us by owning our psi thus if we regain ownership of psi we must relinquish their control and that of all other mind controllers encourage people to regain ownership of their psi the origins of love hate and pure malice the following scenario appears to hold water and can account for the origins of our universal subconscious dinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of rotting vegetation a good source of beetles and grubs for young hatchelings they did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm which made them very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change in order to keep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control to do this they had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators this is an act of hatred and outward looking while a few dinosaurs did develop the ability to bear living young most did not the dinosaurs got in first and so their mind control tends to override all other latter minds they have become the source of all satans devils and demons birds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep them warm a hen bird normally lays a series of eggs say one per day and only starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid thus all eggs tend to hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth this is primarily an act of love but inward looking bearing live young is not suitable to a bird of the air a pregnant pigeon would not fly very far antarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm even if they are standing on ice mammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act of love and inward looking this is especially true as a mammalian female can not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird sitting on a nest dinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young while birds and mammals developed love birds and mammals certainly do hate all enemies of their young but this is secondary if one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician then purge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs unfortunately most of our religions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control regardless of the front they put out to the public religion tends to concentrate on how to brainwash your neighbour conscious thought has built many mighty empires theologies and slave control systems out of using how to care for and protect one s young as a foundation thus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something a load of dinosaur s eggs purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur s eggs of any entity tends to purge all malice back to its roots it looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings aided and abetted by various occultists and other as they will insist on vampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the serenity of the writer he encourages them to reincarnate items for inspection for mind control to take place then someone must take control or ownership of the target s psi and pleasure centres check for the following nest of dinosaur s eggs holy dinosaurs etc eggs controllers or owners in peoples psi pleasure centres pain killing hormones abilities etc mind machines the original engraving or engram god and satan appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right t hey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams no doubt dinosaurs were the first job holders timetracks are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of time my our man s timetracks etc the time tracks of the universe universal subconscious galactic subconscious etc extinct races of ets can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode their virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices whenever one hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes suspect that the higher plane is a vampire one one may never know what they looked like or other basic characteristics which makes linking back a trifle difficult every extinct race etc blood ancestors are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via genetic linkages some of these can be over NUMBER NUMBER years old every blood ancestor ancestral mind genetic mind etc

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URL act dtl opening arguments are set to begin early next month in eldred vs ashcroft a landmark u s supreme court case that will decide the future of copyright law including how and when artists and writers can build upon the work of others to heighten public awareness of the importance of the case an internet bookmobile is set to depart san francisco next monday on a trip that will bring it to the steps of the supreme court building in washington d c before arguments wrap up the van which will be stopping at schools libraries and senior centers along the way is equipped to provide free high speed access to thousands of literary and artistic works that are already in the public domain i had the opportunity to visit the internet archive about a month ago and saw the bookmobile under construction it s a neat idea take an suv put a small satellite dish on the top and put a computer printer and binding machine in the back voila people can search for a book then print out a copy right there on the spot quite literally on demand printing total fixed cost of the computer printer binding machine if bought new the ia had the equipment donated is under NUMBERk one of the goals is to show libraries across the country that they could if they wished add these virtual holdings public domain materials to their existing library at a fixed cost most libraries can afford this should be compelling to small libraries in remote areas jim

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neat stuff seems to combine elements of scientology xenu and david icke URL gordon original message from mr fork fork_list hotmail com to fork spamassassin taint org sent monday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm subject dinosaurs eggs and the origins of good and evil one of the most bizarre pages i ve seen on the web at first i thought it might be some sort of back story to a rpg but nope it looks like somebody believes this URL mNUMBER dinosaurs eggs and the origins of good and evil dinosaurs reptoid ets are reported to be NUMBER foot high crocodiles walking on their hind legs this is a description of a dinosaur it now appears in remote viewing that the reptoid ets dinosaurs and dragons are all linked together and that they all originated on earth the erideans who are reptoid derivatives have a home planet in the eridanus system like all other ets the reptoids have no reported home planet they also come over as entities with little brain who control their bodies directly by spirit this is a description of a ghost or disincarnate entity regardless of how people see them thus it could be that the reptoids erideans nordics anunnaki but not the greys all have origins on earth and have a strong link to earth even if they choose to live elsewhere the greys do not appear to have a renal or urinary system and this points to them not originating on earth the definitive work on dragons is the flight of dragons by peter dickinson if dragons did exist in the flesh they did not survive the long bow targets do not come much bigger truth is stranger than fiction thus the writer s current scenario is that there were a race of dinosaurs which developed psychic intelligence to guard their eggs and young and who probably preferred to live underground they survived the wipe out of the dinosaurs NUMBER million years ago with difficulty they evolved into the erideans and transferred to a more hospitable planet for them possibly with the help of another race of ets who wanted slaves but otherwise had no interest in earth or mind control thus it appears that the current reptoids are the spirits or ghosts of the dinosaurs they must have been powerful to survive NUMBER million years and also to appear to some people they have appeared to the writer in remote viewing they are living on as vampire entities such immortal minds are contagious and can easily jump race and species barriers if they can be encouraged to reincarnate then the power sources of the black magicians and mind controllers will disappear encouraging them to reincarnate will help so called immortal minds to disappear as immortal minds have great difficulty surviving reincarnation purging people s dinosaurs should remove all perverse psychic abilities not under their control they are a source of satanic guardian angels and demons they control us by owning our psi thus if we regain ownership of psi we must relinquish their control and that of all other mind controllers encourage people to regain ownership of their psi the origins of love hate and pure malice the following scenario appears to hold water and can account for the origins of our universal subconscious dinosaurs laid their eggs and buried them either underground or in piles of rotting vegetation a good source of beetles and grubs for young hatchelings they did not sit on their eggs to keep them warm which made them very vulnerable to drastic climate and temperature change in order to keep away predators some at least developed psychic mind control to do this they had to capture ownership of the psi of potential predators this is an act of hatred and outward looking while a few dinosaurs did develop the ability to bear living young most did not the dinosaurs got in first and so their mind control tends to override all other latter minds they have become the source of all satans devils and demons birds on the other hand developed the ability to sit on their eggs and keep them warm a hen bird normally lays a series of eggs say one per day and only starts sitting when the clutch is completely laid thus all eggs tend to hatch together as they all have an equal period of warmth this is primarily an act of love but inward looking bearing live young is not suitable to a bird of the air a pregnant pigeon would not fly very far antarctic penguins tuck a single egg between their legs to keep it warm even if they are standing on ice mammals developed live bearing of their young which is also primarily an act of love and inward looking this is especially true as a mammalian female can not desert her young in the womb in case of emergency as can a bird sitting on a nest dinosaurs developed hate and mind control of others to protect their young while birds and mammals developed love birds and mammals certainly do hate all enemies of their young but this is secondary if one wants to purge the sources of malice of say a black magician then purge his dinosaurs and his dinosaur eggs unfortunately most of our religions are based on dinosaur protection of eggs and thus mind control regardless of the front they put out to the public religion tends to concentrate on how to brainwash your neighbour conscious thought has built many mighty empires theologies and slave control systems out of using how to care for and protect one s young as a foundation thus the foulest form of abuse possible is to call something a load of dinosaur s eggs purging the dinosaurs and dinosaur s eggs of any entity tends to purge all malice back to its roots it looks as if mighty immortal minds have built up from small beginnings aided and abetted by various occultists and other as they will insist on vampiring the living for energy to avoid reincarnation and disturbing the serenity of the writer he encourages them to reincarnate items for inspection for mind control to take place then someone must take control or ownership of the target s psi and pleasure centres check for the following nest of dinosaur s eggs holy dinosaurs etc eggs controllers or owners in peoples psi pleasure centres pain killing hormones abilities etc mind machines the original engraving or engram god and satan appear to be job titles and not entities in their own right t hey appear to be dinosaur engravings or engrams no doubt dinosaurs were the first job holders timetracks are worth investigating as our complete history from the start of time my our man s timetracks etc the time tracks of the universe universal subconscious galactic subconscious etc extinct races of ets can cause problems when they live on in vampire mode their virtues may known to channelers but they can also have vices whenever one hears of races which have evolved on to higher planes suspect that the higher plane is a vampire one one may never know what they looked like or other basic characteristics which makes linking back a trifle difficult every extinct race etc blood ancestors are also worth investigating as minds can be passed down via genetic linkages some of these can be over NUMBER NUMBER years old every blood ancestor ancestral mind genetic mind etc

russell turpin wrote gregory alan bolcer i m not sure since i haven t attended civics class in quite some time but the first amendment doesn t cover protected speech hate speech or actions the first two are wrong the first amendment does protect speech the supreme court decides it protects duh and that happens to include most of what people consider hate speech unlike many other nations the us has no laws against hate speech per se and the first amendment is the reason for that this was poking fun of the practice of making up differnt types of speech with different types of protected status i think the laws specialing out hate and protected speech are ridiculous the point i keep trying to make is that there s only two types speech and action i agree they are all speech and should be covered by the first amendment but if hate speech is so protected why are certain states trying to prosecute people for it there s only two answers and one of them is wrong NUMBER because hate speech is different and needs to have a different level of protection dictated by whoever s offended at the time NUMBER it s because it s not just speech but action a action who s consequences are foreseeable by any reasonable person hate speech is mislabeled it s really threat i think they let the mislabeling perpetuate as there s advantage in being able to counter threat with loss of liberty and money through civil and criminal lawsuits for people they don t like greg _________________________________________________________________ join the world s largest e mail service with msn hotmail URL

at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER eugen leitl wrote looks useful hopefully they ll put up some more material soon URL i ll be sure to keep everyone posted on the next update b k delong bkdelong URL opencourseware NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER cell

better late than never i received a grant from project athena mit s original courseware effort and found at the end that they hadn t thought much about distribution of the courseware instead they had gotten wrapped up with x and various unix tools and other useful but not strictly educational efforts ken original message from b k delong mailto bkdelong pobox com sent tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to eugen leitl forkit subject re mit opencourseware at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER eugen leitl wrote looks useful hopefully they ll put up some more material soon URL i ll be sure to keep everyone posted on the next update b k delong bkdelong URL opencourseware NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER cell

on tuesday NUMBER october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am mr fork wrote URL some classics from this period now in a new english translation the sagas of icelanders in trade paperback from duh viking in NUMBER remaindered at my local barnes ignoble the historical reference material is useful eirikur

bitbitch URL wrote turns out the music industry settled quite a hefty settlement funnky i thought that it was minor in comparison the the gouging that occurs on a standard cd the wall street journal copyright c NUMBER dow jones company inc tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER five music concerns to pay NUMBER NUMBER million in price fixing case reuters news service the companies which didn t admit any wrongdoing will pay NUMBER NUMBER million in cash to compensate consumers who overpaid for cds between NUMBER and NUMBER the companies also agreed to distribute NUMBER NUMBER million worth of cds to public entities and nonprofit organizations throughout the country the cds will probably cost less than NUMBER NUMBER million to produce and distribute didn t admit any wrongdoing give me a break elias

hello elias tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm you wrote e bitbitch URL wrote turns out the music industry settled quite a hefty settlement e funnky i thought that it was minor in comparison the the gouging that e occurs on a standard cd the wall street journal copyright c NUMBER dow jones company inc tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER five music concerns to pay NUMBER NUMBER million in price fixing case reuters news service the companies which didn t admit any wrongdoing will pay NUMBER NUMBER million in cash to compensate consumers who overpaid for cds between NUMBER and NUMBER the companies also agreed to distribute NUMBER NUMBER million worth of cds to public entities and nonprofit organizations throughout the country e the cds will probably cost less than NUMBER NUMBER million to produce and e distribute didn t admit any wrongdoing give me a break e elias toobad none of this will go back to any of the people who were forced to pay the rates best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER mr fork wrote i realize now that after reviewing the past several years of work and career i have been in the wrong business the wrong business this is what i should have been doing URL a new manual has been published URL or the one i read http http search barnesandnoble com booksearch isbninquiry asp userid NUMBERtNUMBERjtegkqp isbn NUMBER and of course the open source versions URL URL r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

i think what you re looking at with the dual antenna mounts is a diversity antenna it won t work too well with one hooked up to the pringles can and the other hooked up to a regular rubber duck ian on tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER pm eugen leitl wrote NUMBER reinforced concrete shields like the dickens wood lots less so NUMBER line of sight is best o really NUMBER if you want to boost range use directional aerials not omnis direct line of sight no trees no nothing can give you NUMBER km with well aligned directional aerials and say no sleet no locusts nor rain of blood if you want to fan out afterwards use a bridge of a directional coupling to an omni NUMBER NUMBERa should shield within building lots more than NUMBER NUMBERb ditto line of sight with lots of precipitation inbetween on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER damien morton wrote i just bought a linksys befwNUMBERvNUMBER access point router for NUMBER URL im doing some dev work on a symbol pocketpc device with built in NUMBER NUMBERb in this NUMBER sq ft pre war new york apartment it goes through NUMBER or NUMBER walls into the hallway and halfway down the first flight of stairs before it loses contact with the base station that s less than NUMBER ft inside the apartment it works just fine i just did some further testing through NUMBER brick walls the range is about NUMBER feet the signal also goes through the roof pretty much unimpeded that said the symbol device doesn t have an antenna to speak of and i havent done any tweaking to try to extend the range the linksys unit has two antenna mounts you could leave one as an omni antenna while hooking up a directional antenna to the other you might find that you have to use several access points and or repeaters to get the coverage you want

uh wwii enigma was cracked at bletchly park based on the work of some poles who had been trying to figure out when they would be invaded entirely mechanical definitely not optical at all enigma was originally broken based on bad use practice if it had been employed more sensibly it would have been a lot harder see the code book by singh doubleday NUMBER or for that matter cryptonomicon by stephenson which is a fictionalization of the enigma cracking story and pretty accurate i eventually get born as a side effect of the battle of britain you see computing with interference patterns etc makes perfect sense but enigma was cracked by building mechanical systems that were essentially enigma machines and brute forcing eirikur

that s what the manual said a diversity antenna why wouldn t it work well with one omni and one directional antena ianaee but doesn t that count as diversity original message from ian andrew bell mailto fork ianbell com sent tuesday NUMBER october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to eugen leitl cc damien morton tomwhore slack net fork URL subject re wifi query i think what you re looking at with the dual antenna mounts is a diversity antenna it won t work too well with one hooked up to the pringles can and the other hooked up to a regular rubber duck ian on tuesday october NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER pm eugen leitl wrote NUMBER reinforced concrete shields like the dickens wood lots less so NUMBER line of sight is best o really NUMBER if you want to boost range use directional aerials not omnis direct line of sight no trees no nothing can give you NUMBER km with well aligned directional aerials and say no sleet no locusts nor rain of blood if you want to fan out afterwards use a bridge of a directional coupling to an omni NUMBER NUMBERa should shield within building lots more than NUMBER NUMBERb ditto line of sight with lots of precipitation inbetween on tue NUMBER oct NUMBER damien morton wrote i just bought a linksys befwNUMBERvNUMBER access point router for NUMBER URL im doing some dev work on a symbol pocketpc device with built in NUMBER NUMBERb in this NUMBER sq ft pre war new york apartment it goes through NUMBER or NUMBER walls into the hallway and halfway down the first flight of stairs before it loses contact with the base station that s less than NUMBER ft inside the apartment it works just fine i just did some further testing through NUMBER brick walls the range is about NUMBER feet the signal also goes through the roof pretty much unimpeded that said the symbol device doesn t have an antenna to speak of and i havent done any tweaking to try to extend the range the linksys unit has two antenna mounts you could leave one as an omni antenna while hooking up a directional antenna to the other you might find that you have to use several access points and or repeaters to get the coverage you want

http www quitpalestine org funny as all hell so a group of NUMBER quit queers undermining israeli terrorism marched into the local starbucks in berkeley of course they pick a safe city like berkeley but hey still funny and settle driving away straights and other prior inhabitants with supersoakers incredibly creative in my opinion not terribly violent i mean how much damage can you really do with a supersoaker but definintely a newscatcher its nice to see folks are finding some creative means to make a point even if you don t agree with it its a hard sell to say that this has been done before c mon i m just waiting for the uproar from the conservatives on the list best regards bitbitch mailto bitbitch URL

kind of interesting application of agent technology a mix of telnet and eliza wonder if knownow needs this as a partner URL activebuddy inc has developed patented technology for building and deploying interactive agents activebuddy s buddyscript technology powers business solutions that leverage the functionality convenience and appeal of instant messaging to provide an efficient and immediate means of communication with customers and constituents activebuddy technology is proven in the marketplace by the smash success of smarterchild activebuddy s showcase interactive agent launched in june NUMBER and visited by over NUMBER million consumers in its first year of life interactive agents allow your customers and constituents to receive information and services in a natural conversational interface software products buddyscriptt server an end to end software solution for deploying interactive agents buddyscript server provides every component required to operate an interactive agent including connectivity with the messaging network message routing data access message formatting user and session management and detailed tracking buddyscript server is offered in four configurations to meet your capacity needs its scaleable architecture supports virtually unlimited usage more here is a sample conversation on msn messenger with smarterchild mike says how are you smarterchild says great thx you mike says fine what is the weather like in seattle smarterchild says current weather conditions for seattle wa currently NUMBER f condition few clouds real feel NUMBER f dewpoint NUMBER humidity NUMBER visibility NUMBER mi wind n NUMBER mph next time just type weather seattle wa to get the forecast for seattle wa just type forecast

mf here is a sample conversation on msn messenger with smarterchild mf mike says mf how are you mf smarterchild says mf great thx you oh freaking great in their adoption to make it more human they have to add in all the broken english and shortened aol style phrasings yay next thing you know the ai will be asking for asl evil

original message from joseph s barrera iii sent wednesday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork subject dumb question x client behind a firewall let s say you re behind a firewall and have a nat address is there any way to telnet to a linux box out there in the world and set your display in some way that you can create xterms on your own screen joe i m in no way a pro but perhaps you could set your firewall to accept connections from that linux box and then somehow set the linux box to transmit on a specific port then configure your router to forward all information from that port to your box but then again that pretty much defeats the entire point of a firewall p get more from the web free msn explorer download URL

this is something new or at least new to me politspam n using a spam engine for political purposes in this particular case to get back at the university of groningen the content suggests its more prank than vigilante activism in the old days we used to say someone left their terminal unguarded but what s interesting is that it s not trying to sell me anything or lead me to any for fee service it s just trying to spread a meme that rug is evil w wpin lslifriend writes w those who want to leave for the netherlands to carry on any w kind of education including for phd must be careful w especially the university of groningen rug should be w avoided this university was once a good one but now it has w lost its reputation studying is a good investment in time w and money so invest in the right place and time you are w warned w sincerely yours w hyohxsycjlakdbmhjpiouupngoqrm has anyone else started to receive either consumer vigilante or political activism messages via spam methods gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

how is this any different from attaching an infobot or a l i c e through licq s console hook people have been doing that for years and for over a decade in irc and the muds and the one thing i think we ve learned in all that time is that as a help desk it doesn t work people just don t like talking to robots especially when the robots once confused become imbeciles i think the humans may feel cheated deceived and tricked when they discover as with the seattle answer that they are talking to a machine there s no real intelligence behind that simulated friendly and therefore empty thx aiml is clever and cute but for practical applications as a first line of technical support it s been tried over and over and while i also think that it should work for the most part people won t use it what s worse as we make the nl processing more and more clever it only means it fails more dramatically alice doesn t just stumble a bit it starts to drool and alice is the best we have like a dalek all very impressive when things are going well but all it takes to betray the chicken brain inside is a towel over it s ill placed eye or a spin off the metal surface in all the prolog based nl database query systems of the NUMBER s and other later chatterbot helpdesk projects like shallow red even simpler tries like ask jeeves people very quickly know they re talking to a robot and the queries anneal to short truncated and terse database like verb noun or just noun keyword requests people are just too quick to adapt and too impatient to forgive a clunky interface and for now especially when the average computer user still can t type more than maybe NUMBER NUMBERwpm nl is a painfully slow clunky interface put it this way would you login wake the bot and ask for the seattle weather or would you do as we all do and just click the weather icon sitting there on your desktop just for fun here s an interesting conversation between shallow red alice and eliza as they decide to play the turing game URL gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

wow if they put a vrml front end on it it would be NUMBER worthless rather than just NUMBER irc bots scripts been there done that and much better if these folks actualy saw the xddc instafilesharing scripts must NUMBER year olds hang off of mirc they might get a clue then again they might already have teh clue that sometimes you can packege the obvious and sell it to the clueless

original message from gary lawrence murphy garym canada com w wpin lslifriend writes w those who want to leave for the netherlands to carry on any w kind of education including for phd must be careful w especially the university of groningen rug should be w avoided this university was once a good one but now it has w lost its reputation studying is a good investment in time w and money so invest in the right place and time you are w warned dear gawd lost its reputation how horrible for those northern europeans what could possibly be worse than that

let me put it another way f mike says how are you f smarterchild says great thx you f mike says fine what is the weather like in seattle f smarterchild says current weather conditions for seattle wa out of NUMBER million alledged visitors this is the best example gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

begin forwarded text date wed NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER from john s denker jsd monmouth com subject re optical analog computing sender jsd no domain spam to r a hettinga rah shipwright com cc digital bearer settlement list dbs philodox com cryptography URL r a hettinga wrote the first computer to crack enigma was optical the first synthetic aperture radar processor was optical but all these early successes were classified NUMBER to NUMBER projects and i probably know of less than half do these claims compute is this really a secret history or does this mean holography of am i just completely out of the loop NUMBER gimme a break this is remarkable for its lack of newsworthiness NUMBER bletchley park used optical sensors which were and still are the best way to read paper tape at high speed you can read about it in the standard accounts e g URL NUMBER for decades before that codebreakers were using optical computing in the form of superposed masks to find patterns you can read about it in kahn NUMBER people have been doing opto electronic computing for decades there s a lot more to it than just holography i get NUMBER NUMBER hits from URL optical info is a complex valued wave spatial frequency amplitude and phase it isn t right to make it sound like three numbers frequency amplitude and phase actually there are innumerable frequencies each of which has its own amplitude and phase lenses refractions and interference are the computational operators add copy multiply fft correlation convolution of NUMBERd and NUMBERd arrays and of course massively parallel by default and of course allows free space interconnects some things that are hard with wires are easy with light waves but most things that are easy with wires are hard with light waves here s a commercialized effort from israel a space integrating vector matric multiplier a b c laser NUMBER gate modulator spread over NUMBERd NUMBER teraflop equivalent for one multiply per nanosecond people were doing smaller versions of that in the NUMBERs unclassified example acousto optic spectrometer NUMBER gflops equivalent for NUMBER watts doing continuous ffts launched in NUMBER on a NUMBER year mission submillimeter wave observatory not ffts fts fourier transforms all you need for taking a d NUMBER fourier transform is a lens it s undergrad physics lab stuff i get NUMBER NUMBER hits from URL of course the rest of the talk is about the promise of moving from optoelectronic to all optical processors on all optical nets with optical encryption so on all optical no optoelectronics anywhere that s medicinal grade pure snake oil usp photons are well known for not interacting with each other it s hard to do computing without interactions end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

original message from gary lawrence murphy garym canada com and the one thing i think we ve learned in all that time is that as a help desk it doesn t work i m not sure they are doing strictly help desk stuff but the whole who in their right mind would use that it doesn t have all these cool features isn t always a guarantee of failure maybe there is a strength in this approach agents and or im as ui than can find a nich application space in all the prolog based nl database query systems of the NUMBER s and other later chatterbot helpdesk projects like shallow red even simpler tries like ask jeeves people very quickly know they re talking to a robot and the queries anneal to short truncated and terse database like verb noun or just noun keyword requests kind of like a web query and with google someone else can turn them into a link so you don t even have to type anything people are just too quick to adapt and too impatient to forgive a clunky interface and for now especially when the average computer user still can t type more than maybe NUMBER NUMBERwpm nl is a painfully slow clunky interface yes true true put it this way would you login wake the bot and ask for the seattle weather or would you do as we all do and just click the weather icon sitting there on your desktop what about a situation where you don t directly ask talk to the bot but they listen in and advise correct interject etc example two people discussing trips etc may trigger a weather bot to mention what the forecast says without directly being asked

NUMBER NUMBERb NUMBERmbps per channel over three channels in the NUMBER NUMBERghz range also shared with microwaves and cordless phones at rages up to NUMBER ft NUMBER NUMBERa runs on NUMBER channels in the NUMBERghz range and up to around five times more bandwidth NUMBERmbps or so but has less range NUMBER NUMBER ft NUMBER NUMBERa also adds forward error correction into the scheme to allow for more reliable data transmission which to use really depends on what you re doing with it streaming video almost necessitates NUMBER NUMBERa while streaming just audio can be comfortably done with NUMBER NUMBERb provided that there isn t much interference or too many clients prices don t know haven t done the research for covering a large area NUMBER NUMBERa will be more expensive due to the need for more aps if you want to reach the local coffee shop however you will need a directional antenna either way check out URL they ve got some good articles on NUMBER NUMBER also some of the best info on NUMBER NUMBER security i ve seen can be found at URL give me bandwidth or give me death elias tom wrote i have one very pressing question wifi ranges do i got for NUMBER NUMBERb stuff or do i gold out for NUMBER NUMBERa is the price point break goign to warrant the differnce

begin forwarded text delivered to fork URL to fork URL subject re optical analog computing from dave long dl silcom com sender fork admin URL date wed NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER the first computer to crack enigma was optical computing with interference patterns etc makes perfect sense but enigma was cracked by building mechanical systems that were essentially enigma machines and brute forcing look for zygalski sheets by koerner s narrative it wound up being a hybrid affair bletchley had mock enigmas which cycled through the enigma s NUMBERk starting positions in a quarter of an hour but the germans started using a plugboard which then had NUMBER NUMBERxNUMBER NUMBER possibilities the poles noticed that there were some patterns in the messages which were only possible via certain plugboard settings and so when we have collected several such cards corresponding to different initial signals we place them in a pile so that the squares corresponding to the same daily settings are aligned and shine a light beneath the pile only those squares which let the light through will correspond to possible daily settings so the brute force hardware allowed precalculation of optical computing devices which then narrowed down the possibilities enough for brute force to again be used for daily decodes until on NUMBER may the germans invaded france and on the same day in accordance with the best cryptographic principles they changed their enigma procedures in such a way that the NUMBER zygalski sheets each with their carefully drilled NUMBER or so holes became just so much waste cardboard dave the first synthetic aperture radar processor was optical this is also easy to believe given dr elachi s description of the NUMBER shuttle imaging radar the received signal is recorded on an optical film which is retrieved after landing the film is then processed in an optical correlator to generate the final image which makes sense as one wishes to shift each component of the return in proportion to its frequency for which one presumably needs a glorified prism alternatively the signal can be digitized and then recorded on board or transmitted to the ground via a digital data link this was the case with the sensor flown in NUMBER koerner _the pleasures of counting_ in which various aspects of the enigma decoding cover four chapters of which i quote from two sections of one NUMBER NUMBER beautiful polish females and NUMBER NUMBER passing the torch churchill s romantic soul loved the excitement and secrecy surrounding bletchley he relished the way that t he old procedures like the setting up of agents the suborning of informants the sending of messages written in invisible ink the masquerading the dressing up the secret transmitters and the examining of the contents of waste paper baskets all turned out to be largely cover for this other source as one might keep some old established business in rare books going in order to be able under cover of it to do a thriving trade in pornography and erotica looking at the disparate unkempt and definitely unmilitary crew formed by his top code breakers he is said to have added to his head of intelligence i know i told you to leave no stone unturned to find the necessary staff but i did not mean you to take me so literally end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

original message from gary lawrence murphy garym canada com f what about a situation where you don t directly ask talk to the f bot but they listen in and advise correct interject etc do you do that do you hear two people at the next table say i m going to seattle tomorrow and you just have to lean over and interject compulsively to tell them what you know about seattle s weather have you ever worked with kragen

original message from mr fork fork_list hotmail com original message from gary lawrence murphy garym canada com f what about a situation where you don t directly ask talk to the f bot but they listen in and advise correct interject etc do you do that do you hear two people at the next table say i m going to seattle tomorrow and you just have to lean over and interject compulsively to tell them what you know about seattle s weather joke oh please quit with all that stopenergy tm joke

begin forwarded text date thu NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to john s denker jsd monmouth com from greg rose ggr URL subject re optical analog computing cc r a hettinga rah shipwright com digital bearer settlement list dbs philodox com cryptography URL at NUMBER NUMBER am NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER john s denker wrote r a hettinga wrote the first computer to crack enigma was optical NUMBER bletchley park used optical sensors which were and still are the best way to read paper tape at high speed you can read about it in the standard accounts e g URL but colossus was not for enigma the bombes used for enigma were electro mechanical i m not aware of any application of optical techniques to enigma unless they were done in the us and are still classified and clearly the first bulk breaks of enigma were done by the bombes so i guess it depends whether you count bombes as computers or not whether this statement has any credibility at all greg williams zenon NUMBER campaign page URL greg rose internet ggr URL qualcomm australia voice NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER fax NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER level NUMBER NUMBER victoria road URL gladesville nsw NUMBER NUMBERb ecNUMBERf NUMBERcNUMBER cNUMBER dNUMBERf eNUMBER eNUMBERbf cdNUMBERf NUMBER aNUMBERc end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

elias sinderson wrote NUMBER NUMBERb NUMBERmbps per channel over three channels in the NUMBER NUMBERghz range also shared with microwaves and cordless phones microwaves cordless phones and video based baby monitors greg gregory alan bolcer cto work NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gbolcer at URL URL endeavors technology inc cell NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER

on wed NUMBER oct NUMBER gregory alan bolcer wrote elias sinderson wrote NUMBER NUMBERb NUMBERmbps per channel over three channels in the NUMBER NUMBERghz range also shared with microwaves and cordless phones microwaves cordless phones and video based baby monitors well i dont have to worry about microwavers in the house ours died a week or so ago and due to doing some research we will nto be getting anysuch device in the near or far future i mean even if one half of the crap it is reported to do is true it s just not worth it for a quick cup or warm chai which brings me to the fact that finding a good convection only not combo with a microwaver oven of any good size is dang near impossible unless you go up to the bizness sizes thankfully there is dehlongi of which costco has thru thier online store now of course the question is do we get it delivered to the old house or the new one yep we got our offer approved and are in the short run down to a long mortage we close on oct NUMBER though the realestate agent says t happens like that a lot i still find it incrediably jolting to have found a house inthe hood i want with the space dawn wants on sunday and we are signing papers on tuesday night with a close at the end of the month which of course means wifi land for wsmf so far i like the linksys dsl cable router all in one wifi ap the dlink has the funky NUMBERmb stuff if you use all thier stuff across the net and the way things go i cant say thats gonna happen for sure pluse the linksys stuff is all over the mass market sotres so i cna walk home with parts at any time the fun now comes with a realization that with attbi cable as my main hose tot he net offering up bwf might be a tad problematic so i am thinking of ways around through under that the setup of the particualrs are far form set in stone any ideas would be welcome also any portlanders party time tom

at NUMBER NUMBER pm NUMBER on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER r a hettinga wrote begin forwarded text status ro delivered to fork URL sigh shoot me now my apologies cheers rah r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

over on arstechnica www arstechnica com i saw mention of a wired article that goes into the many wonderfull ways apple is showing its love and respect for its users URL there is a good rundown of all the whys and whatfores over at URL true to form industrious third party developers saw that they could gain a competitive advantage by supporting this more capable user interface in their applications apple s private menu extras apis were reverse engineered and leveraged to great effect the architecture was so popular that an application for managing predefined sets of menu extras third party or otherwise was in development all of that changed with the release of jaguar but not because the private apis had changed if they had third party developers would have updated their applications to work with the new apis as they have resigned themselves to doing by choosing to use private apis in the first place but what actually happened in jaguar was that apple added code to forcibly exclude all non apple menu extras other parts of the api did not change but when a menu extra is loaded it is compared to a hard coded list of known menu extras from apple if the menu extra is not on that list it is not allowed to load it s easy to laugh at steve ballmer s sweat soaked gyrations as he chants developers developers developers but microsoft clearly understands something that apple is still struggling with it is in a platform vendor s best interest to encourage development for its platform in apple s case this doesn t mean that they have to bend over backwards to make every single system service and ui element pluggable via public apis that s clearly a lot of work and not something that needs to be the number one priority for an os in its infancy and in the meantime if third party developers want to sell into a market that requires the desired functionality to be added in unsupported ways then they must be prepared for the maintenance consequences of their decisions but for apple to go out of its way to actually expend developer effort to stop these third party developers while still failing to provide a supported alternative is incredibly foolish

this article from URL has been sent to you by khare URL excellent evidence of the herd just imagine if the anonymous noise injected into our world newsphere noosphere was say a fraudulent story that a stock accounting scandal had been accused and the evildoers were shorting oh wait that happened an unemployed orange county student took down emulex enjoy rohit khare URL stop those presses blonds it seems will survive after all october NUMBER NUMBER by lawrence k altman apparently it fell into the category too good to check last friday several british newspapers reported that the world health organization had found in a study that blonds would become extinct within NUMBER years because blondness was caused by a recessive gene that was dying out the reports were repeated on friday by anchors for the abc news program good morning america and on saturday by cnn there was only one problem the health organization said in a statement yesterday that it never reported that blonds would become extinct and it had never done a study on the subject w h o has no knowledge of how these news reports originated said the organization an agency of the united nations based in geneva but would like to stress that we have no opinion of the future existence of blonds all the news reports in britain and the united states cited a study from the world health organization a blonde shell study as the daily star of london put it but none reported any scientific details from the study or the names of the scientists who conducted it on good morning america charles gibson began a conversation with his co anchor diane sawyer by saying there s a study from the world health organization this is for real that blonds are an endangered species women and men with blond hair eyebrows and blue eyes natural blonds they say will vanish from the face of the earth within NUMBER years because it is not as strong a gene as brunets ms sawyer said she was somewhat of a natural blonde jeffrey schneider a spokesman for abc news said the anchors got the information from an abc producer in london who said he had read it in a british newspaper in london the sun and the express both reported that unnamed scientists said blonds would survive longest in scandinavia where they are most concentrated and expected the last true blond to hail from finland the british accounts were replete with the views of bleached blonds who said hairdressers would never allow blondness to become extinct and doctors who said that rare genes would pop up to keep natural blonds from becoming an endangered species journalists in london said last night that the source of the reports was probably one of several european news agencies that are used by the british press but it remained unclear which one tim hall a night news editor at the daily mail said the report was probably distributed by the press association britain s domestic news agency several papers picked it up he said but charlotte gapper night editor at the press association said that although it had considered running the report on sept NUMBER it had decided not to after talking to the world health organization we didn t do that story because we made an inquiry to the world health organization first she said they told us that report was two years old and had been covered at the time they said it had been picked up again that day by a german news agency she added that she did not know which agency the organization was referring to dr ray white a geneticist at the university of california at san francisco said that the disappearance of a gene for blond hair sounds patently incorrect URL how to advertise for information on advertising in e mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with the new york times on the web please contact onlinesales URL or visit our online media kit at URL for general information about URL write to help URL copyright NUMBER the new york times company

e eirikur hallgrimsson eh mad scientist com writes e if my environment cannot be made beautiful in e some sense i cannot live the first question i ask myself when something doesn t seem to be beautiful is why do i think it s not beautiful and very shortly you discover that there is no reason john cage gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

well it looks pretty much NUMBER sure that we will be moving in on nov NUMBER to the new house i think the only thing that stops us now are acts of dieties and total economic collapse so no one mention the dow for the next few weeks in preperation we drove to best buy tonight and picked up the test core for the wifi net i got a linksys befwNUMBERsNUMBER NUMBER for the router hub wireless ap firewall etc and a linksys wifi pcmcia card for the laptop i made one false move so it took about NUMBER mins all told to set up the card the router and the other NUMBER machines in the house on the wire ether hub all vfery neat very easy and very very cool set up via the webinterface i have to dig into the firewall nat routing features some more i have been reading up the wifi security blackpaper on ars technica but all in all a smooth move now the place im at now the house soon to be the ex house has lots of funky things going on in the walls and in the area we are in essentialy a gravel pit recption of all types suck and transmisions get goofy inside the pit that being said with NUMBER walls and NUMBER feet between the ap and the pcmica card no external antena on it im still getting NUMBERmbs and at least NUMBER goodness some cool things about the new house its a NUMBER job so no metal works inthe walls to speak of mostly wood and plaster we dont have a microwave and our cordless phines are on NUMBERmhz yea so i can use my bear cat to listen in on some calls with kids in the house is that such a bad thing ben or heather if you read this years from now well by then i hope youare better at countermoeasures ok enough testing for tonight i gota say being able to do this in bed by vncing via wifi to my desktop is a blast oh no wifes pillow is heading this way duckkkkk URL

on wednesday NUMBER october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm tom wrote but what actually happened in jaguar was that apple added code to exclude all non apple menu extras too too too true just you try to muck with job s blessed aqua interface or remove the fscking dock osx is such a step down from classic with kaleidoscope skinning the entire ui as an artist i resent it deeply this is not in praise of classic if my environment cannot be made beautiful in some sense i cannot live eirikur

begin forwarded text user agent microsoft entourage NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER date thu NUMBER oct NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER subject the NUMBERrd annual consult hyperion digital identity forum from david g w birch dgw lists birches org to bob hettinga rah shipwright com cc digital bearer settlement list dbs philodox com dear all see URL for more details speakers include microsoft and liberty alliance uk central and local government law enforcement financial services egg and rbs natwest ec research centre a psychologist and others look forward to seeing you there regards dave birch david birch director consult hyperion tel NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER fax NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER mail dave URL web URL see you at the NUMBERnd annual digital transactions forum in singapore october NUMBERth NUMBERth NUMBER see URL end forwarded text r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity predicting the end of the world has not been found agreeable to experience edward gibbon decline and fall of the roman empire

at NUMBER NUMBER am NUMBER on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gary lawrence murphy wrote the first question i ask myself when something doesn t seem to be beautiful is why do i think it s not beautiful and very shortly you discover that there is no reason john cage when i m working on a problem i never think about beauty i think only how to solve the problem but when i have finished if the solution is not beautiful i know it is wrong r buckminster fuller simplicity is the highest goal achievable when you have overcome all difficulties frederic chopin externalities are the last refuge of the dirigistes friedrich hayek r a hettinga mailto rah ibuc com the internet bearer underwriting corporation URL NUMBER farquhar street boston ma NUMBER usa the stoical scheme of supplying our wants by lopping off our desires is like cutting off our feet when we want shoes jonathan swift

r r a hettinga rah shipwright com writes r when i m working on a problem i never think about beauty i r think only how to solve the problem but when i have finished r if the solution is not beautiful i know it is wrong r r buckminster fuller it was only after i d completed the geodesic dome that i noticed it was beautiful r buckminster fuller gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

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s stephen d williams sdw lig net writes s the purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps s and thus become one with the ocean of living love one choice is a psychosis two a neurosis ven joan shikai woodward northern mountain order of the white wind zen community just a thought oh yes the bits women in zen URL gary lawrence murphy garym URL teledynamics communications blog URL biz URL computers are useless they can only give you answers picasso

normally i disdain any kind of mysticism even when it is associated with fairly good ideas just a big turnoff a good example would be the difference between yoga tm and the more scientifically pure but related relaxation techniques including betagenics hypnosis auto hypnosis etc this was one of the many topics i obsessively absorbed as a teenager or tai chi etc vs tai bo g force dyno staff i have to say however that having found this while looking for something completely unrelated it has some cute truisms i particularly like their addiction to non addiction additionally the mindprod treehugger site has some interesting quotes etc to my internal ear nearly all of these NUMBER s based new age vernacular seem to assume that you are a simple child of the NUMBER s who needs some religion like couching of ideas to relate and internalize very irritating but taken in small doses it s interesting to compare and contrast with our my modern mental models i found that a few of the principles could be used to explain and justify us un foreign policy and actions URL URL URL apologies for the embedded html we create the world we live in a loving person lives in a loving world a hostile person lives in a hostile world everyone you meet is your mirror you make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offence as when you give offence to be upset over what you don t have is to waste what you do have the past is dead the future is imaginary happiness can only be in the eternal now moment how soon will you realize that the only thing you don t have is the direct experience that there s nothing you need that you don t have love a person because he or she is there this is the only reason happiness happens when your consciousness is not dominated by addictions and demands and you experience life as a parade of preferences the purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps and thus become one with the ocean of living love sdw sdw URL URL stephen d williams NUMBER wayside cir ashburn va NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERw NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERfax decNUMBER

draw the pain ken never wrote about this method but he often demonstrated it in workshops let us say you have a physical pain somewhere in your body you draw the pain in the air with your finger about NUMBER cm NUMBER foot high take about NUMBER seconds to trace around the perimeter of the pain carefully listening to the pain to find the precise boundary between where it hurts and where it does not repeat you will find that after about NUMBER minutes of this the pain will shift shrink or disappear a variant of this is to imagine making a NUMBERd model the pain in coloured clay works there s this coworker a real pain in my ass i used my middle finger to trace his outline for about NUMBER seconds i listened to him found the boundary and repeated the motion he left my office original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of stephen d williams sent thursday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork URL subject living love another legacy of the NUMBER s normally i disdain any kind of mysticism even when it is associated with fairly good ideas just a big turnoff a good example would be the difference between yoga tm and the more scientifically pure but related relaxation techniques including betagenics hypnosis auto hypnosis etc this was one of the many topics i obsessively absorbed as a teenager or tai chi etc vs tai bo g force dyno staff i have to say however that having found this while looking for something completely unrelated it has some cute truisms i particularly like their addiction to non addiction additionally the mindprod treehugger site has some interesting quotes etc to my internal ear nearly all of these NUMBER s based new age vernacular seem to assume that you are a simple child of the NUMBER s who needs some religion like couching of ideas to relate and internalize very irritating but taken in small doses it s interesting to compare and contrast with our my modern mental models i found that a few of the principles could be used to explain and justify us un foreign policy and actions URL URL URL apologies for the embedded html we create the world we live in a loving person lives in a loving world a hostile person lives in a hostile world everyone you meet is your mirror you make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offence as when you give offence to be upset over what you don t have is to waste what you do have the past is dead the future is imaginary happiness can only be in the eternal now moment how soon will you realize that the only thing you don t have is the direct experience that there s nothing you need that you don t have love a person because he or she is there this is the only reason happiness happens when your consciousness is not dominated by addictions and demands and you experience life as a parade of preferences the purpose of our lives is to be free of all addictive traps and thus become one with the ocean of living love sdw sdw URL URL stephen d williams NUMBER wayside cir ashburn va NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERw NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERfax decNUMBER

on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm mr fork fork_list hotmail com wrote what about a situation where you don t directly ask talk to the bot but they listen in and advise correct interject etc example two people discussing trips etc may trigger a weather bot to mention what the forecast says without directly being asked my guess is it s more insidious than that it s going to be activespam oh you re going to seattle i can get you airline tickets for less yuck peregrine peh ruh grun or peh ruh green adjective having a tendency to wander

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not exactly new bits but i enjoyed seeing the economist pick up on the similarity between computer and social networks URL _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL

i actually thought of this kind of active chat at aol in NUMBER i think bringing up ads based on what was being discussed and other features for a while the vp of dev now still cto i think was really hot on the idea and they discussed patenting it then they lost interest probably a good thing sdw lorin rivers wrote on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm mr fork fork_list hotmail com wrote what about a situation where you don t directly ask talk to the bot but they listen in and advise correct interject etc example two people discussing trips etc may trigger a weather bot to mention what the forecast says without directly being asked my guess is it s more insidious than that it s going to be activespam oh you re going to seattle i can get you airline tickets for less yuck

greetings carey wants you to know about a story on URL personal message ah the ig nobels always worth a read if only they had a cat mood decipherer __ navel gazing wins an ig nobel by jay lindsay br boston october NUMBER NUMBER url URL

nor what color your passport more american exceptionalism URL the united states is the only country in the world to tax its citizens on a worldwide basis irrespective of whether they spend time in the country or whether they have assets there said philip marcovici a zurich based lawyer with international law firm baker and mackenzie and perhaps even irrespective of their current citizenship under current expatriation law there are wealth thresholds based on net worth which lead to a presumption that a person giving up u s citizenship is doing so for tax reasons individuals who have given up their citizenship and who have earned NUMBER NUMBER in any one of the NUMBER years before expatriation or who have a net worth exceeding NUMBER NUMBER would automatically be deemed a so called taxpatriate those persons would be subject to ordinary income tax on u s source income for NUMBER years they would also be subject to u s estate and gift tax during the NUMBER year period i suppose it could be much worse there could be some twee affinity program for us citizenship and a bank of phone people who only get paid well if they manage to keep one from cancelling membership dave last month congress proposed a new exit tax on all citizens who give up their u s status if the proposal becomes law individuals will be taxed as if they had either sold everything or died this would give rise to immediate exposure to capital gains tax to be fair would this mean that they d also immediately pay out the difference for anyone whose tax basis was greater than current estate value URL australian cities overall scored particularly highly in the economist intelligence unit survey of desirability for expats with all five the country s urban centres surveyed ranked near the top of the table europe was also well represented among the top NUMBER places the top us city honolulu ranked NUMBERst with boston at NUMBERth the highest ranked city on the us mainland canada in contrast sneaked three cities into the top ten the uk cities of london NUMBERth and manchester NUMBERth gained only a mid table rating with port moresby in papua new guinea bottom of the list

don t know much about eroom but there is the magic phrase collaborate in real time groove really has people running scared wonder if any users actually benefit from collaborating in real time URL content management vendor documentum said late thursday it plans to acquire privately held e room technologies in a deal worth about NUMBER million documentum will issue approximately NUMBER NUMBER million shares of its common stock and pay about NUMBER NUMBER million in cash for all of the outstanding shares of eroom documentum makes a platform for enterprise wide content management eroom makes tools for enterprise collaboration its customers include airbus bausch lomb ford motor co and sony documentum announced plans this summer to deliver a new collaboration edition of its content management suite eroom was already integrating its tools to the documentum platform making an acquisition an easy target according to documentum president and ceo dave dewalt with the upcoming joint product customers will be able to collaborate in real time via virtual workspaces sharing schedules resources and even jointly creating content content creation and management has always been a collaborative task but workflow has usually been delivered via a web browser interface or even simple e mail and rarely in real time for now documentum will sell the eroom platform and its own content management system through combined sales channels further integration is planned down the line the companies said

on NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am someone e said the guy messed up his own url it should be URL which redirects to URL i didn t mess it up i f cked it up by not paying attention to a copy and paste from something else next time i really will leave it to the pr guys best regards dave birch _______________________________________________ irregulars mailing list irregulars URL URL

groove really has people running scared oh shit here comes that groove thingy run for your life original message from mr fork fork_list hotmail com to fork spamassassin taint org sent friday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm subject documentum acquires e room melding content collaboration don t know much about eroom but there is the magic phrase collaborate in real time groove really has people running scared wonder if any users actually benefit from collaborating in real time URL content management vendor documentum said late thursday it plans to acquire privately held e room technologies in a deal worth about NUMBER million documentum will issue approximately NUMBER NUMBER million shares of its common stock and pay about NUMBER NUMBER million in cash for all of the outstanding shares of eroom documentum makes a platform for enterprise wide content management eroom makes tools for enterprise collaboration its customers include airbus bausch lomb ford motor co and sony documentum announced plans this summer to deliver a new collaboration edition of its content management suite eroom was already integrating its tools to the documentum platform making an acquisition an easy target according to documentum president and ceo dave dewalt with the upcoming joint product customers will be able to collaborate in real time via virtual workspaces sharing schedules resources and even jointly creating content content creation and management has always been a collaborative task but workflow has usually been delivered via a web browser interface or even simple e mail and rarely in real time for now documentum will sell the eroom platform and its own content management system through combined sales channels further integration is planned down the line the companies said

does anyone know what happened to vcard support in netscape NUMBER NUMBER mozilla NUMBER NUMBER not there yet in mozilla and therefore not in the new mail engine i presume netscape messenger mozilla have ldap ldif import export but i can t find vcard or a reference to it anywhere i like the netscape mozilla email client i avoid lookout for at least two reasons windows only my main environment is linux with NUMBER on windows and security issues now that ldap and the related dsml and dns srv record methods are becoming more popular is there a decline of vcard is there a standard emerging to deal with the mismatch in naming between the two i ve brushed with directories in the past but i m getting in deep along with more pki oriented focus any wisdom would be appreciated in particular i m going to start integrating smart cards into my linux and winNUMBER systems and integrating them with netscape messenger mozilla and outlook thanks sdw

british scientists were honoured for research that found ostriches became more amorous with each other when a human was around in fact ostriches eventually started putting the moves on humans this is true of manatees also you don t want to know original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of carey sent friday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork URL subject headline navel gazing wins an ig nobel greetings carey wants you to know about a story on URL personal message ah the ig nobels always worth a read if only they had a cat mood decipherer __ navel gazing wins an ig nobel by jay lindsay br boston october NUMBER NUMBER url URL

geege schuman wrote british scientists were honoured for research that found ostriches became more amorous with each other when a human was around in fact ostriches eventually started putting the moves on humans this is true of manatees also you don t want to know so how much of it is due to jumping the inter species boundary for status i e i can fuck any of several reasonable candidates from my own species or i can be ambitious and go after the authority figure in the room the alternative hypothesis is that its due to novelty and then of course there s the they ll fuck anything given appropriate conditions hmmm is this a potential intelligence test seeing as the last is a particularily human response owen

the structure of the internet has never been about where the ditches and ruts are dug although the world needs ditch diggers too it s a simple inductive concept you are you and see the world as such you plus NUMBER degree of separation is a new you all this stuff about scale free internets viruses sex and money is silly scale free statistically indistinguishable models really means internet scale as rediscovered by social networks people research has shown that the network of human sexual partners seems to be scale free too i tend to prefer the harvard business review to the economist as they tend to spend less time writing about who s sleeping with whom and come up with real statistical models greg lies damn lies and statistics russell turpin wrote not exactly new bits but i enjoyed seeing the economist pick up on the similarity between computer and social networks URL _________________________________________________________________ chat with friends online try msn messenger URL gregory alan bolcer cto work NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER gbolcer at URL URL endeavors technology inc cell NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER

gary lawrence murphy wrote r buckminster fuller it was only after i d completed the geodesic dome that i noticed it was beautiful r buckminster fuller i had cited the information theoretic concept of elegance in my dissertation did a google to find the reference and instead found a really great tech report for uot knoxville by bruce maclennan he cites efficiency economy and elegance but i think he s wrong the middle e should be effectiveness otherwise kudos efficiency is the relation of output to input effectiveness is the total output in information theory something is both elegant and efficient if no smaller or less costly something can product the same output in the same amount of time greg NUMBER URL who cares about elegance the role of aesthetics in programming language design technical report ut cs NUMBER NUMBER bruce j maclennan computer science department university of tennessee knoxville maclennan URL abstract the crucial role played by aesthetics in programming language design and the importance of elegance in programming languages are defended on the basis of analogies with structural engineering as presented in billington s the tower and the bridge this report may be used for any nonprofit purpose provided that its source is acknowledged it will be adapted for inclusion in the third edition of my principles of programming languages NUMBER the value of analogies NUMBER efficiency seeks to minimize resources used NUMBER economy seeks to maximize benefit versus cost NUMBER elegance symbolizes good design NUMBER for the designer NUMBER for the user NUMBER the programming language as work environment NUMBER acquiring a sense of elegance NUMBER references the value of analogies programming language design is a comparatively new activity it has existed for less than half a century so it is often worthwhile to look to older design disciplines to understand better this new activity thus my book principles of programming languages design evaluation and implementation grew out of a study of teaching methods in architecture primarily but also of pedagogy in other disciplines such as aircraft design perhaps you have also seen analogies drawn between programming languages and cars fortran model t c dune buggy etc these analogies can be very informative and can serve as intuition pumps to enhance our creativity but they cannot be used uncritically because they are in the end just analogies ultimately our design decisions must be based on more than analogies since analogies can be misleading as well as informative in this essay i ll address the role of aesthetics in programming language design but i will base my remarks on a book about structural engineering the tower and the bridge by david p billington although there are many differences between bridges and programming languages we will find that many ideas and insights transfer rather directly according to billington there are three values common to many technological activities which we can call the three e s efficiency economy and elegance these values correspond to three dimensions of technology which billington calls the scientific social and symbolic dimensions the three s s we will consider each in turn efficiency seeks to minimize resources used in structural engineering efficiency deals with the amount of material used the basic criterion is safety and the issues are scientific strength of materials disposition of forces etc similarly in programming language design efficiency is a scientific question dealing with the use of resources there are many examples where efficiency considerations influenced programming language design some are reviewed in my principles of programming languages in the early days the resources to be minimized were often runtime memory usage and processing time although compile time resource utilization was also relevant in other cases the resource economized was programmer typing time and there are well known cases in which this compromised safety e g fortran s implicit declarations there are also many well known cases in which security i e safety was sacrificed for the sake of efficiency by neglecting runtime error checking e g array bounds checking efficiency issues often can be quantified in terms of computer memory or time but we must be careful that we are not comparing apples and oranges compile time is not interchangeable run time and neither one is the same as programmer time similarly computer memory cannot be traded off against computer time unless both are reduced to a common denominator such as money but this brings in economic considerations to which we now turn economy seeks to maximize benefit versus cost whereas efficiency is a scientific issue economy is a social issue in structural engineering economy seeks to maximize social benefit compared to its cost this is especially appropriate since structures like bridges are usually built at public expense for the benefit of the public in programming language design the public that must be satisfied is the programming community that will use the language and the institutions for which these programmers work economic tradeoffs are hard to make because economic values change and are difficult to predict for example the shift from first to second generation programming languages was largely a result of a decrease in the cost of computer time compared to programmer time the shift from the second to the third generation involved the increasing cost of residual bugs in programs and the fourth generation reflected the increasing cost of program maintenance compared to program development other social factors involved in the success or failure of a programming language include whether major manufacturers support the language whether prestigious universities teach it whether it is approved in some way by influential organizations such as the us department of defense whether it has been standardized whether it comes to be perceived as a real language used by real programmers or as a toy language used by novices or dilettantes and so forth as can be seen from the historical remarks in my principles social factors are frequently more important than scientific factors in determining the success or failure of a programming language often economic issues can be quantified in terms of money but the monetary values of costs and benefits are often unstable and unpredictable because they depend on changing market forces also many social issues from dissatisfaction with poorly designed software to human misery resulting from system failures are inaccurately represented by the single dimension of monetary cost all kinds of cost and benefit must be considered in seeking an economical design elegance symbolizes good design elegance who cares about elegance snorts the hard nosed engineer but billington shows clearly the critical role of elegance in hard nosed engineering for the designer it is well known that feature interaction poses a serious problem for language designers because of the difficulty of analyzing all the possible interactions of features in a language see my principles for examples structural engineers face similar problems of analytic complexity but billington observes that the best designers don t make extensive use of computer models and calculation one reason is that mathematical analysis is always incomplete the engineer must make a decision about which variables are significant and which are not and an analysis may lead to incorrect conclusions if this decision is not made well also equations are often simplified e g made linear to make their analysis feasible and this is another potential source of error because of these limitations engineers that depend on mathematical analysis may overdesign a structure to compensate for unforeseen effects left out of the analysis thus the price of safety is additional material and increased cost i e decreased efficiency and economy similarly in programming language design the limitations of the analytic approach often force us to make a choice between an under engineered design in which we run the risk of unanticipated interactions and an over engineered design in which we have confidence but which is inefficient or uneconomical many people have seen the famous film of the collapse in NUMBER of the four month old tacoma narrows bridge it vibrated itself to pieces in a storm because aerodynamical stability had not been considered in its design billington explains that this accident along with a number of less dramatic bridge failures was a consequence of an increasing use of theoretical analyses that began in the NUMBERs however the very problem that destroyed the tacoma narrows bridge had been anticipated and avoided a century before by bridge designers who were guided by aesthetic principles according to billington the best structural engineers do not rely on mathematical analysis although they do not abandon it altogether rather their design activity is guided by a sense of elegance this is because solutions to structural engineering problems are usually greatly underdetermined that is there are many possible solutions to a particular problem such as bridging a particular river therefore expert designers restrict their attention to designs in which the interaction of the forces is easy to see the design looks unbalanced if the forces are unbalanced and the design looks stable if it is stable the general principle is that designs that look good will also be good and therefore the design process can be guided by aesthetics without extensive but incomplete mathematical analysis billington expresses this idea by inverting the old architectural maxim and asserting that in structural design function follows form he adds p NUMBER when the form is well chosen its analysis becomes astoundingly simple in other words the choice of form is open and free so we should pick forms where elegant design expresses good design i e efficient and economical design if we do so then we can let aesthetics guide design the same applies to programming language design by restricting our attention to designs in which the interaction of features is manifest in which good interactions look good and bad interactions look bad we can let our aesthetic sense guide our design and we can be much more confident that we have a good design without having to check all the possible interactions for the user in this case what s good for the designer also is good for the user nobody is comfortable crossing a bridge that looks like it will collapse at any moment and nobody is comfortable using a programming language in which features may explode if combined in the wrong way the manifest balance of forces in a well designed bridge gives us confidence when we cross it so also the manifestly good design of our programming language should reinforce our confidence when we program in it because we have well justified confidence in the consequences of our actions we accomplish little by covering an unbalanced structure in a beautiful facade when the bridge is unable to sustain the load for which it was designed and collapses it won t much matter that it was beautiful on the outside so also in programming languages if the elegance is only superficial that is if it is not the manifestation of a deep coherence in the design then programmers will quickly see through the illusion and loose their unwarranted confidence in summary good designers choose to work in a region of the design space where good designs look good as a consequence these designers can rely on their aesthetic sense as can the users of the structures bridges or programming languages they design we may miss out on some good designs this way but they are of limited value unless both the designer and the user can be confident that they are good designs we may summarize the preceding discussion in a maxim analogous to those in my principles of programming languages the elegance principle confine your attention to designs that look good because they are good the programming language as work environment there are other reasons that elegance is relevant to a well engineered programming language the programming language is something the professional programmer will live with even live in it should feel comfortable and safe like a well designed home or office in this way it can contribute to the quality of the activities that take place within it would you work better in an oriental garden or a sweatshop a programming language should be a joy to use this will encourage its use and decrease the programmer s fatigue and frustration the programming language should not be a hindrance but should serve more as a collaborator encouraging programmers to do their jobs better as some automobiles are driving machines and work as a natural extension of the driver so a programming language should be a programming machine by encouraging the programmer to acquire the smooth competence and seemingly effortless skill of a virtuoso the programming language should invite the programmer to design elegant efficient and economical programs through its aesthetic dimension a programming language symbolizes many values for example in the variety of its features it may symbolize profligate excess sparing economy or asceticism the kind of its features may represent intellectual sophistication down to earth practicality or ignorant crudeness thus a programming language can promote a set of values by embodying certain values it encourages us to think about them by neglecting or negating other values it allows them to recede into the background and out of our attention out of sight out of mind acquiring a sense of elegance aesthetics is notoriously difficult to teach so you may wonder how you are supposed to acquire that refined sense of elegance necessary to good design billington observes that this sense is acquired through extensive experience in design which especially in europe is encouraged by a competitive process for choosing bridge designers because of it structural engineers design many more bridges than they build and they learn from each competition they loose by comparing their own designs with those of the winner and other losers the public also critiques the competing designs and in this way becomes more educated their sense of elegance develops along with that of the designers so also to improve as a programming language designer you should design many languages design obsessively and criticize revise and discard your designs you should also evaluate and criticize other people s designs and try to improve them in this way you will acquire the body of experience you will need when the real thing comes along references NUMBER billington david p the tower and the bridge the new art of structural engineering princeton princeton university press NUMBER chapters NUMBER and NUMBER are the most relevant NUMBER maclennan bruce j principles of programming languages design evaluation and implementation second edition new york holt rinehart winston now oxford university press NUMBER

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it wasn t gloating it was one for the horror file and of course for the palestinians it wasn t a mistake which is a key part of the horror i m not against american taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer if we do it with a daisy cutter original message from geege schuman mailto geege barrera org sent saturday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to johnhall evergo net fork subject re our friends the palestinians our servants in government she read the links what must it be like she wondered to devote ones life to pointing out neighbors mistakes mishaps inconsistencies and frailties gloating is definitely underrated in the good book eh john bring it on gg original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of john hall sent saturday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm to fork subject our friends the palestinians our servants in government hijacker high NUMBER NUMBER dalal mughrabi was a palestinian woman who participated in a NUMBER bus hijacking in which NUMBER israelis and an american nature photographer gail ruban were killed mughrabi has a palestinian high school named after her and it s apparently starting to show signs of wear fortunately the united states agency for international development has stepped in with money to help renovate it URL links to URL ve NUMBER forNUMBERe html praeterea censeo palestininem esse delendam

original message from john hall johnhall evergo net i m not against american taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer if we do it with a daisy cutter with or without occupants

john hall wrote it wasn t gloating it was one for the horror file and of course for the palestinians it wasn t a mistake which is a key part of the horror i m not against american taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer if we do it with a daisy cutter i m sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills the last palestinian in a few years owen

see my first line i read the links brickbats idiot original message from fork admin URL mailto fork admin URL on behalf of owen byrne sent sunday october NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER am to johnhall URL cc geege schuman fork subject re our friends the palestinians our servants in government john hall wrote it wasn t gloating it was one for the horror file and of course for the palestinians it wasn t a mistake which is a key part of the horror i m not against american taxpayers remodeling a school honoring a killer if we do it with a daisy cutter i m sure the plan is that it will be renamed for the settler who kills the last palestinian in a few years owen